Madden now available to Raiders
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, April 16th, 2009 at 9:25 am in Oakland Raiders.
It’s been nothing more than speculation and educated guessing that John Madden was the “unique” person Al Davis hinted would be joining the Raiders in a front office capacity.
With Madden’s retirement from announcing, the chatter will increase.
A few things to remember.
Madden is 73 years old and it seems doubtful he’ll charge straight into a high-pressure, fulltime front office job with huge responsibility.
Madden hasn’t been involved in the inner workings of a football team since he left the sideline 30 years ago, other than production meetings and interviews with coaches and players to prepare for broadcasts.
Madden is extremely loyal to Al Davis and it wouldn’t stretch the bounds of the imagination should he try to help the club in some capacity.
If nothing else, Madden could certainly give the preseason television broadcasts a big ratings jolt.
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April 16th, 2009 at 9:33 am
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April 16th, 2009 at 9:33 am
I think we agree this year Priest, but last year Dmac had to be the pick. The only other options were Dorsey or C Long, and I was adamant about not wanting Long. I gave in on Dorsey due to the medical concerns. You guys were right about that. I loved Ellis, but Dmac was a better player and value at 4. I’m glad to have Dmac and the problem of getting both of them touches in a game.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Jhill, that’s a great take on Madden…
April 16th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Jerry, you’d have to believe this decision would have been made sooner if Madden had any intentions of working in the NFL again.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Sorry,
Don’t think there is really anything to talk about re: Madden. It’s very possible that he could be a consultant of some sort for us. And he is an icon as far as calling the games.
I just don’t see why it would be that big of a deal that they just couldn’t announce it already, or in the next few days.
Whoever Al has been listening to this offseason, I’m glad to have them.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Might just get a honorary title to be associated to the org. and create a buzz.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 9:46 am
wow no more madding announcing… that’s the real story here
April 16th, 2009 at 9:47 am
madden*
April 16th, 2009 at 9:47 am
No, MR I love davis and think what hes done for the league and our franchise we should be forever in debit to him…..do I think continuing to pick the fastest guy in the draft or gamble on high priced free agents or finding the next madden or flores or young genious is good for the team NO!!! Do I think as some one posted days ago…that if our GM had that record over the last six years Al would have put a mafia hit on him and he would have been the first scapegoat…I think his son Mark is helping and Mr. Davis is taking advice…from him and other people he trusts in the organization yes even Ms. Trask….
April 16th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Draft chart indicates it would be a 1, 2 and maybe a future 3 from the Jets. May still be able to get Oher at 17. Use the 2nd round picks on Ziggy Hood and Robiskie. Wouldn’t be upset to end up with Chung either. Take Brinkley in the 3rd.
Think that would be solid.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Jhill:
would you rather go Rey Maulauga & Phil Loadholt
or
Robert Ayers & Jasper Brinkley?
I think Crabtree and the top 3 tackles will be off the board by pick #7
Then Raji drops in our lap and it’s either him, Oher, Orakpo or Maclin imo
Rey & Robert would be reaches at 7th overall.
Orakpo would give us a younger, healthier, stronger version of Derrick Burgess
April 16th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Reading his retirement statement, I am inclined to believe he will not be signing up. He wants to be home, and we all know the amount of hours required to be involved with the Raiders.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:55 am
It does seem that Al is trying a different tack this year.
I will withhold judgement until after the draft.
So Al, if you want to avoid my wrath, get Maualuga!
April 16th, 2009 at 9:55 am
May still be able to get Oher at 17. Use the 2nd round picks on Ziggy Hood and Robiskie. Wouldn’t be upset to end up with Chung either. Take Brinkley in the 3rd.
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17th we could get Oher or Mack
2nd rounder (our own) we could get SS Chung
52nd we could get the best available DT or DE
3rd rounder we could get the best available DE or DT
4th rounder we could get the best available OLB
7th rounder get a size/speed CB to please Al Davis
April 16th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Oaklifer, fair enough. Then you should owe the same debt to the smart football guys that Al allowed to build his great teams. Do you have the same unwavering loyalty to Ron Wolf? Because without him, Al would have been out of the league by the mid ’70s.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:58 am
JHill, a better setup wild be Madden at GM, and Davis as some sort of babbling consultant that nobody takes seriously. But, as we all well know, Madden doesn’t want any part of this organization anymore. He knows Al’s crazy. That’s why he decided to retire outright.
April 16th, 2009 at 9:59 am
here’s the craptastic four Davis/Cable will have to choose from:
Raji, Orakpo, Oher & Maclin
so who’s it gonna be?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Man…I’m gonna miss watching Madden on TV. BOOM! He could at least work the Raiders/Cowboys game. I’d love to hear about the Raiders and the Turducken and how’s theres all this beef on the field flying this way and that way. Oh well!
April 16th, 2009 at 10:00 am
MR, in your estimation how much credit (if any) goes to Al Davis for the successes of the Raiders?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:02 am
CARDS WANT A ONE AND A THREE FOR BOLDIN
Posted by Mike Florio on April 16, 2009, 11:25 a.m.
ESPN’s Sal Paolantonio reports that the Arizona Cardinals are telling prospective suitors for receiver Anquan Boldin that at least a first-round pick and a third-round pick will be needed to get the deal done.
Per Paolantonio, the Eagles, Giants, Jets, and Ravens have shown interest.
Boldin said recently that he’d love to play for the Dolphins, but it’s unknown whether Miami will get into the mix. Other teams that could (or should) be interested include, in our estimation, the Jaguars, Vikings, Titans, Colts, Chiefs, 49ers, Browns (if they trade Braylon Edwards) and Rams.
We also think that, if any current NFL receiver other than Hines Ward screams out “Pittsburgh Steeler” in the way he plays the game, it’s Boldin. And with Ward possibly inching toward the end of the rope, it might make a lot of sense to add his eventual replacement sooner rather than later.
The Eagles have the most ammunition to get a deal done, with a couple of first-round picks and ten other selections. The Giants have the clearest need, but they’d be better off with a guy with the kind of speed to stretch the field. The Eagles potentially have a player like that in DeSean Jackson. Boldin and Kevin Curtis would provide a formidable duo for the underneath routes. If opposing defense lock onto either of them, Jackson will face single coverage at best
April 16th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Yes Ron Wolf wasa one of the greatest football things our organization has had. And I think Davis Always listened to the people he trusted but as he has gotten older and shrewder I honestly belive he thinks more now than ever (i.e. kiffin) that people and the leauge are out to get him…Remember right b4 the snow job we were making great freeagent moves letting gannon and gruden dink and dunk us to a afc crown…then hink the snowjob pushed him over the edge he turned his back on every body and marched to his own drum…will i forgive him yes…am i happy about it no….But it seemns he is finaly let his gaurd sown just a bit but not much thats why Ithink its Mark Davis and amy have been helping and maybe he respects cable just l;ike he did madden remember they are cut fro mthe same cloth blu collar linemen, players coaches that know how to motivate and work hard!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 10:03 am
RRS,
Orakpo is arguably the best DE and Raji is the best DT, so no I wouldn’t be mad at those picks either.
But if it were up to me, yes I ‘d go Maulauga/Loadholt or Ayers/Brinkley. They think they are day 1 starters and everydown players.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:03 am
who’s gonna replace Madden when we play the Cowgirls on Thanksgiving? Raiders first game on turkey day since 1970!
nevermind.
troy (former cowgirl) and joe buck will probably get this game
April 16th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Nader, as I’ve said a thousand times already, Al deserves as much credit as anyone. The problem with Davis loyalists like you is that you refuse to give the people who built our great teams as much credit as Al. In fact, you barely recognize their existence. You try to pretend that Al just did it all on his own, with maybe a few consultants in tow. No, Al let Ron Wolf build his teams. Who built a Super Bowl champion in the 1990s? Al Davis? No. Ron Wolf.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:04 am
My brother is going to get a kick out of this haha!
MAN PUNCHED FOR GRABBING COWBOYS FLAG
Posted by Sheil Kapadia on April 16, 2009, 9:39 a.m.
A man was punched in the face after he removed a Dallas Cowboys flag from a car in downtown Washington, D.C. earlier this week.
According to the Associated Press, a pedestrian grabbed the flag from a vehicle that was stopped in traffic and threw it to the ground.
Police and witnesses say someone in the car then got out and punched the flag-grabber in the face by the time he had crossed the street. The man was treated for a bruised forehead.
It was unclear whether the person was sticking up for the Cowboys, or just didn’t like that the man touched his car.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Troy Aikman and Joe Buck…
The exact type of geeks that will make me miss Madden.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:06 am
I don’t think Oher and Maclin are in the picture RRS.
Al will surely take the best player at a particular position.
I think the 4 they are hoping for a shot at include Andre Smith, Crabtree, Orakpo, or Maulauga.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Yes Ron Wolf wasa one of the greatest football things our organization has had.
LOL “minds” not “things”…LOL
April 16th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Why don’t the Cards just trade Boldin to the Browns in exchange for Edwards? it’s a win/win
then the Eagles & Giants can fight for Ocho Stinko!
April 16th, 2009 at 10:11 am
I don’t have a problem with Al MR.
He’s the owner, and he can do what he wants. I think he has just had a run of bad luck with the coaches, but not to many of his moves were questioned at the time they were made. I take that back. The Bed and Breakfast hire was ridiculous. Moreso than Art Shell per se. But that shows he is not a control freak in that he allowed Shell to bring in his own guy. I don’t really agree with the notion that the coach should be able to pick the players in the draft.
I also think that along with the Bed and Breakfast fiasco, his 2nd biggest mistake was a Warren Sapp/Rob Ryan match up. Ryan was doomed from the start. He was allowed to run the defense he knew how to coach about as long as it took for Sapp to fail at 3-4 DE and complain about it in the media. What was that, like 2 preseason games?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:13 am
I don’t think Oher and Maclin are in the picture RRS.
Al will surely take the best player at a particular position.
I think the 4 they are hoping for a shot at include Andre Smith, Crabtree, Orakpo, or Maulauga.
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Al Davis loves Kirk Morrison and he is staying at MLB. Plus (according to Jerry Mac) Rey Rey is not an every down player in the NFL.
A. Smith & Crabtree will be gone by #7.
Oher & Maclin are reaches at #7, but they’d be the best remaining on the board at their respective positions and would fill needs for the Raiders and provide support for JaWalrus …
April 16th, 2009 at 10:13 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Nader, as I’ve said a thousand times already, Al deserves as much credit as anyone. The problem with Davis loyalists like you is that you refuse to give the people who built our great teams as much credit as Al. In fact, you barely recognize their existence. You try to pretend that Al just did it all on his own, with maybe a few consultants in tow. No, Al let Ron Wolf build his teams. Who built a Super Bowl champion in the 1990s? Al Davis? No. Ron Wolf.
^^^^
You make a lot of assumptions about me sir. That’s generally an indication of an irrational thought process. As for what you’ve said on this blog in the past I have no idea or I wouldn’t have asked the question. Thanks for the pompous and overblown response to a simple question.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:16 am
MR,
I like Ron Wolfe, and I give a lot of credit?
Was he with the Raiders in 99, 00, and 01 seasons?
We don’t talk about Ron Wolf because he’s been out of the organization for 18 yrs.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:17 am
only 3 more months of prison for Michael Vick!
Anybody else excited?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:17 am
I think cable really wants smith. he will be a dominate tackle. Longest arms ever measured. built like a silverback gorilla. then i think we move up in the second to get heyward-bey… Brinkley in the third and move kirk outside. Then pick up the best dt left on the board and we’ll call it good…
April 16th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Jhill, while I’m a huge fan of DMC’s we just didn’t need a HB that high we could’ve traded down and gotten Sam Baker LT frm USC and Chris Johnson who went to the probowl his rookie year(the only rookie).
But on to this year, if we can get a WR later I’m all for it. BUt we have got to get one of the OT’s if not Curry or Crabtree or trade down. Get Maualuga and a DE or OT.
Well those are my wishes.
Adios!
April 16th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Ron Wolf wasn’t with Organization in the 90s. He joined the Green Bay in 91, and was their GM till 2001. He had nothing to do with our last SB team.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Ron Wolf retired 8 years ago from the PACKERS. was with the JETS prior to that
why are we talking about this guy?
because of his accomplishments from 1966-1983?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:23 am
M Vick is done in the NFL. IMO.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Now this is NOT MY OPINION but I have heard older Raiders’ fans gripe that had we had a coach other than John Madden in the early 1970s we would have won two more SBs, that he kind of held a very talented team back.
Any thoughts on that line of thinking?
Also, correct me if I am wrong, but did Madden really have much say in the day to day operations of the team when he was a HC here? If not, why would we think that 30 years later Al Davis would ask for his help?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Rockstar,
Tell That to MR.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:28 am
M Vick is done in the NFL. IMO.
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somebody is going to make a documentary of his life once he gets released from prison. That should pay him more than a job in construction.
How long will Goodell ban him from the league? I think he’s done his time. If Roger has a backbone he’ll stand up to PETA and tell them to butt out.
I don’t think the Falcons will release him until he’s reinstated and they’re required to pay him. Then he’ll be free to sign anywhere
April 16th, 2009 at 10:29 am
next weekend is the Draft, so let’s talk more about it.
Let’s post who we want in the 1st, and who we think Al will draft.
I want: Raji/ Orakpo/ A Smith
Al: Crab/ Maclin/ DHB
April 16th, 2009 at 10:30 am
I love Madden, but he probably should have retired 5 years ago. He went from really teaching football and techniques during the broadcasts to these random ramblings that has nothing at all to do with the game.
Madden is a tycoon. That guy has sucessful business ventures all over the place. I dont think we will be desperate for the peanuts the Raiders would pay him.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Goodell will ban him for 1 season at the least. IMO
April 16th, 2009 at 10:32 am
I think he’s referring to Ron Wolf’s Super Bowl teams w/ the Packers. Hey MR, I’ll not cut bait with you yet and ask you another question: How do you know to what extent Wolf was “building” the Raiders? I’m just curious and not saying you’re wrong about it so no need to get defensive…
April 16th, 2009 at 10:33 am
I want: Raji/ Orakpo/ A Smith
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Raider O: see post #17
let me know who you’d select in that group
April 16th, 2009 at 10:34 am
He gave Adam Jones 1 yr, and Adam didn’t do time.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Said another way, how do you know how much input/power Wolf had vs. Davis or anyone else? Have the Raiders or Wolf ever divulged that information?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Al Davis gave Ron Wolf the same amount of control as he gave Bruce Allen, Mike Lombardi, John Madden, Tom Flores, John Gruden, Lane Kiffin and Mike Shanahan.
None.
this has always been Al’s team and it will always be Al’s team. period. end of story
April 16th, 2009 at 10:37 am
We’ve got a young QB, tight end, and half-back. We need a wide-out and I don’t think we’ll be better placed to get one in the near future so we make our move now. I understand the speed and off-the-bus look that Davis likes but Crabtree is the best available so I say that’s who we draft. A similar arguement could be made for offensive tackle of course but I think we should wait and see how the free agents work out. Heyward-bey is a reach so maybe Macklin instead, but if I’m picking it’s Crabtree
April 16th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Brinkley in the third and move kirk outside.
Brinkley will not be here for this pick unless we move up this kids stock is soaring….
April 16th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Rockstar,
Orakpo or Raji, but I don’t think Al likes Raji. He likes size and speed.
Why is A Smith not on that list instead of Oher?
I say Al’s four are:
Monroe
Orakpo
DHB
M Johnson
April 16th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Nader, considering Ron Wolf built a Super Bowl champion in the 1990s, and the fact that Ron Wolf was here all of those years, I think it’s beyond the reasonable doubt of anyone not drinking the Davis kool aid that Ron Wolf built our winning teams, too. You’re grasping at straws to defend Al Davis. Give it up. Al needs help, and, always did need help. The difference between Davis today and Davis of yesteryear is that the old Davis KNEW he needed help. The current one thinks he knows what he’s doing, and you’re seeing the results.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:40 am
So does anyone think Al and cable are sold on curry or monroe and are thinkin of moving up to get who they want instead of what falls in our laps????
April 16th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Rockstar, you’ve said a lot of dumb things, but that takes the cake.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:41 am
I could see Madden in a consulting capacity with the Raiders. He lives here. He loves football. What’s he going to do, sit in a rocking chair all day?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:42 am
I would love to see Madden associated with the team in some capacity. oh yeah, Zach Miller will be going to the pro-bowl this year. If JR doesn’t stink things up this year, this offense could be monster with another good WR.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:43 am
What year MR?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:43 am
The current one thinks he knows what he’s doing, and you’re seeing the results.
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then hink the snowjob pushed him over the edge he turned his back on every body and marched to his own drum…will i forgive him yes…am i happy about it no….But it seemns he is finaly let his gaurd sown just a bit but not much thats why Ithink its Mark Davis and amy have been helping and maybe he respects cable just l;ike he did madden remember they are cut fro mthe same cloth blu collar linemen, players coaches that know how to motivate and work hard!!!
*****************************************This is a more accurate outlook IMHO
April 16th, 2009 at 10:43 am
RRS, I’m not convinced those guys didn’t have any influence on personnel. In fact I’ve heard Wolf take full blame for the Lachey for Jay Schroeder trade. If you have evidence to support your claim, I’d love to hear it.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Catch you guys later. Going to grab some lunch. I do look forward to more of your guys’ desperate attempts to downplay Ron Wolf and make it seem like Al Davis built every good Raider team from scratch. Rule of thumb: There is no such thing as a GM that builds a super bowl team from scratch, then tanks for 6 years straight. It just doesn’t happen. If it really were Al Davis who did the heavy lifting building those teams in the ’70s, believe me, we’d have had a couple of playoff seasons in that 6 year skid somewhere. What we’re seeing today is real Al Davis football, without the Wolfs, Maddens, Grudens, or Kiffins. I’ll check your guys’ responses later today.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Rockstar, Al’s always been the face of the Raiders, but he didn’t always have the control of the Raiders that he does now.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:45 am
All the these players I listed gave size and speed.
Who did we ever draft that high in the 1st who didn’t have size and speed. Even Gallery had speed for his size.
DMC: has speed
JR: 6′6 270 QB with a cannon.
Huff: has great speed for a Safety.
Gallery: has great size and speed for an O lineman.
Chales: had size and speed.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Raider O
If I gotta take one of those four its Raji. I’m not convinced about Macklin and despite my earlier post suggesting we take a wide-out if I gotta pick from those four I’m going defence. I think stopping the run is priority for us cause we dont have a dominant MLB or DT. But I dont think Raji is a No.7 pick
April 16th, 2009 at 10:46 am
And DT DRus had great size and speed. He ran a 4.89.
RIP DRus.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:49 am
MR, thanks for not answering the question. Later.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Here’s what I’ve been saying the whole time….
Is this year’s NFL Draft akin to a Bizarro world where everything is backwards?
That might be stretching the point a bit, but there’s still a growing consensus in NFL circles that the quality of players available in the top 10 picks is extremely similar to the talent level of the players projected to be drafted in the teens and early 20s of the first round.
According to NFL Network draft analyst Mike Mayock, per Matt Maiocco of the Santa Rosa Press-Democrat, teams are looking to bail out of the top 10 and trade down.
“Every team in the top 10 is looking to trade out,” Mayock told reporters today in a conference call. “I’ve never seen a situation quite like this. And the theory is, everybody knows we’re upside down with this draft. The rookies are getting paid way too much money proportionate to their value. So, teams are scared to death to miss in the top 10.”
According to Mayock, part of the trend goes back to simple economics. (Random thought: Where’s the teacher from Ferris Bueller’s Day Off to explain it all to us?)
“Here’s what’s happening, which I think is really interesting to see if this trend plays out: That old trade chart that all the teams used to use, it began to go out the window last year and I think, like the economy, it’s completely out the window,” Mayock said. “So, I think any team in the top 10 that’s looking to get out will listen to any reasonable offer. And more than ever teams are looking to get down to 15 to 25 because you can get the same kind of player at 20 than you can at seven, and you pay one-third the money.”
April 16th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Can anyone name a top ten pick that didn’t have size and speed? I can’t think of any?
April 16th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Al likes Monroe, Orakpo, DHB, and M Johnson. All have size and speed.
Other than Monroe, Orakpo, and maybe Raji, no AVAILABLE player will be worth the 7th.
April 16th, 2009 at 10:59 am
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AsrtxWVvYIci.Tbux99wWONDubYF?slug=ys-dualmockdrafts041509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
April 16th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Truth be told MR has no clue what the hell he’s talking about. The Raiders were established winners before Wolf got here. He cut his teeeth with the Raiders and Al Davis taught the guy just about everything he knows. Yes he was instrumental in helping Al as has everyone who’s ever been here including Mike Lombardi. But to say he biult those teams is ignorant at best.
Anyne listening to anything MR says is also ignorant at best. MR thinks Glen Dickey is still a credible sports writer………that should tell yu all you need to know
April 16th, 2009 at 11:04 am
15,
” 60 mil to a QB with zero passion”
What an idiot.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Madden is extremely loyal to Al Davis
unlike some fans on this blog..
April 16th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Loyalty to an owner?
April 16th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Priest, I’m sure you all have tried to reason w/ the guy in the past. I chose to try and do so as well. Apparent folly, that was.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:13 am
I would love to see Madden hired as a “personnel consultant” where he wouldn’t have to travel with the team 100% of the time.
It would also be great to see him be the analysis of the pre season games from the booth.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:13 am
sorry but im with Madden on this one..who can question his judgement?
April 16th, 2009 at 11:15 am
# Moose Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Madden is extremely loyal to Al Davis
unlike some fans on this blog..
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Has the owner been loyal to his fans, i then might ask?
April 16th, 2009 at 11:16 am
who farted?
April 16th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Again, why would Al hire Madden (73) to help him make personnel decisions? It sounded to me like Al was looking for help on the contracts/financial side of the ball, and Madden obviously wouldn’t be any help there.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:17 am
the owner has never lost consistently…until these past 5/6 seasons…so
April 16th, 2009 at 11:18 am
John Madden now will have plenty of time to hang out with his pal Al when he wishes. As he never will coach again nor spend the requisite hours to be involved with the daily ops of the team, John can relax and give Davis what help he can. He may also be able to give the Cable guy some hints as to how best to approach Al with ideas he wishes to sell about the team to Davis.
As well, John owns plenty of property. Donation of site for the new Raiders Stadium. Raider Nation invades Dublin/Pleasanton!
April 16th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Madden, wont touch todays Raiders if his families lives depended on it…
April 16th, 2009 at 11:19 am
the link i put has a mock draft ith curry falling to jax
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AsrtxWVvYIci.Tbux99wWONDubYF?slug=ys-dualmockdrafts041509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
April 16th, 2009 at 11:19 am
LMN,
you don’t understand Madden’s loyalty to Davis at all.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:20 am
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
The great Raiders coach John Madden should have been inducted into the Hall Of Fame way earlier than he was. His 10-year record stands with (and dwarfs some) of the greatest coaches’ records of all time.
And, if not for the stunning Immaculate Reception vs Pittsburgh, the Raiders very well might have owned the 70’s. As it was, the 70’s (and John Madden) gave the Raiders exactly what they earned and deserved — a tough reputation, a great record, and an unmatched legacy in football history.
The Raiders may have won more Super Bowls with a coach other than Madden? The fact we were able to win ONE with the cast of characters Madden had was a feat. The Raiders had some great players, but the mixture of characters was so complex, it took a master to manage the mayhem. John Madden’s teams were a testament to his ability to meld odd-fitting parts into a highly-functional machine.
John Madden as GM and/or consultant? Nobody in here really believes Al doesn’t pick up the phone to Madden (or vice-versa) anytime he wants/needs to talk, do they? Whether they ever make it official or not, Madden’s still-current wealth of football knowledge is always available to Al Davis.
John Madden’$ personal and corporate wealth is fast approaching the value of the Raiders franchi$e. How many people fantasize that Madden will buy control of the Raiders, and keep it “in the family,” even with Mark Davis in the wings? If cash is an issue (and when isn’t it?), that might not be too far-fetched. It’s been a mighty long time since buying into the NFL was a bad investment.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Jebus krist, yet another huge fire in CPH, hmm this building at least was beautiful and at least 20 years older than that in my street, I believe this one is from 1900 :/ maybe its the hot april!? i dont know…
April 16th, 2009 at 11:21 am
M…
you actually thinks Madden is going to help us out?
April 16th, 2009 at 11:21 am
15yearsold15yearfan Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 11:19 am
the link i put has a mock draft ith curry falling to jax
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AsrtxWVvYIci.Tbux99wWONDubYF?slug=ys-dualmockdrafts041509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
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Then it probably is not worth clicking on.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:23 am
LMN,
Madden has called Al Davis his best friend in this world. What do friends do?
April 16th, 2009 at 11:25 am
M…
just because Madden has held is tongue these many years does not mean he thinks everything is dandy… him staying as a commentor this long just proves he didnt want to help out/be a part of the mess…. who can blame him… I wouldn’t crap on my reputation either if i was him… time to relax, he has done his part to build the NFL…
April 16th, 2009 at 11:26 am
M..
Come on man, Parcells is Als friend too, has he helped us out? get a reality check please..
April 16th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Chris Collinsworth has already been signed on to replace Madden.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Raider Nation 951 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Chris Collinsworth has already been signed on to replace Madden
^^^^^^
Terrible!
April 16th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Dakota Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 11:21 am
15yearsold15yearfan Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 11:19 am
the link i put has a mock draft ith curry falling to jax
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AsrtxWVvYIci.Tbux99wWONDubYF?slug=ys-dualmockdrafts041509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
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Yeah….I made the mistake to click it also.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Mdden was with TC just the other day…what was it the combine?….he was probably giving his input there…
TC does seem really confident going into his 1st draft almost like he has a 6th sense {Madden}…
i dont think hes poker playing.with :`We have a great plan`…the off- season has been run perfectly so far,almost like a computer game
April 16th, 2009 at 11:34 am
What could Madden do for the Raiders? Replace Plunk as the assistant to Papa for the Radio brodcast? Madden was a Broadcaste for 32 years. How much do you think he has picked up when it comes to day to day football operations? The NFL operations have chanced way too much for a 73 year old to step in and run with the ball. I respect the hell out of Madden but that wouldn’t really help the Raiders.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Sorry LMN, I guess you just don’t understand. Sad.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:38 am
LMN — Name a time Al Davis did anything that could be construed as him NOT trying to make his team better. Not a time where he failed at doing it, but where he DIDN’T try to improve the team. Like the guy’s ego or not, but don’t try and convince us Al Davis hasn’t always tried to make HIS team better. Failure? many times, yes. Success? Many times, yes. Trying to improve the team? Always (even when he’s wrong).
LMN — Methinks it’s time for you to stick to soccer (or tell us some more about how our sailors screwed-up by being captured by terrorist hijackers last week..you were such a hero during the ordeal).
April 16th, 2009 at 11:40 am
M Lonetree Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 11:18 am
John Madden now will have plenty of time to hang out with his pal Al when he wishes. As he never will coach again nor spend the requisite hours to be involved with the daily ops of the team, John can relax and give Davis what help he can. He may also be able to give the Cable guy some hints as to how best to approach Al with ideas he wishes to sell about the team to Davis.
As well, John owns plenty of property. Donation of site for the new Raiders Stadium. Raider Nation invades Dublin/Pleasanton!
^^^^^^
The Dublin/Pleasanton Camp Parks location would be an ideal location for a Raiders stadium due to the two main freeways interconnecting in that area the 680 and 580 and more importantly due to the BART line going directly there.
The location is also ideal due to where core Raider fans geographically live.
Fans from Alameda, Contra Costa, and San Joaquin Counties would all be able to make it to the games.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Hayes
The retards on the Alabama did screw up. You’re going to tell me that a Cargo Ship couldn’t do enough to get away from a RHIB? How hard would it be to make a left turn pulling the RHIB under the hull? Little RHIB, BIG CARGO SHIP. Plus, its not like they couldn’t see it coming.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:45 am
1 Andre Smith
1a Mack (use next years number one)
2 Duke Robinson
3 Brinkley or Barden or Chip
4 Best available
April 16th, 2009 at 11:45 am
ohhh just because i dont agree with you bafoons, i suddenly dont understand…pathetic…
M you never answered, you think Madden will be a part of the Alameda crew?
Daze.. Im absolut sure Al thinks he does the best all the time, most of the time its just not the smart move, it longer and longer between when all said man that was brilliant…
Why did Madden extend his contract the last time, and didnt come to help his friend out? because he knew it was a lost cause and that he didnt want to ruin his legacy… and i understand him!
April 16th, 2009 at 11:47 am
# DKnight007 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Dakota Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 11:21 am
15yearsold15yearfan Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 11:19 am
the link i put has a mock draft ith curry falling to jax
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AsrtxWVvYIci.Tbux99wWONDubYF?slug=ys-dualmockdrafts041509&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
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i just put it up because curry is falling low enough for us to pick him
April 16th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Raider Nation 951 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 11:34 am
What could Madden do for the Raiders? Replace Plunk as the assistant to Papa for the Radio brodcast? Madden was a Broadcaste for 32 years. How much do you think he has picked up when it comes to day to day football operations? The NFL operations have chanced way too much for a 73 year old to step in and run with the ball. I respect the hell out of Madden but that wouldn’t really help the Raiders.
^^^^^^^
I would take Madden as a part time Personnel Consultant for the Raiders any day of the week!
Having Madden in some capactity is better than not having Madden at all IMO.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:48 am
Thats an o-line that would put us back on the map. 1st in rushing, use play=action to our emerging recivers and draft D next year.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:48 am
daze..
the sailors, might be heroes by american standards and in the eyes of the press, thats ok, but the organization are still rather pissed they didnt do what they were told, they were too close to shore… and thats the cause for why the pirates were able to get to them in the first place…
April 16th, 2009 at 11:50 am
RN951 — Actually, Madden’s probably as good as a scout could ever be right now. He’s probably seen more players than any other person in or out of football, and has stats and figures on every player in the NFL (and coming out of college). Madden NFL is much more than a game, it’s a massive machine run by brilliant minds — and vocabulary notwithstanding, John Madden’s still got a football mind worth tapping.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Madden would be a fantastic scout, problem is just he would only scout californian talents… but still better than nothing
April 16th, 2009 at 11:53 am
I love you john…
April 16th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Dakota,
Game 3, Eastern Finals. Down 2-0 to the Cavaliers at the Boston Gardens, Kevin Garnett, in a repeat of Paul Pierce’s inspirational reappearance in the finals against the Laker’s, comes out to play before a Celtics crowd going hysterical at the sight of their leader. Cav’s sweep. LOL
April 16th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Please, no linebacker in this years draft is worth taking higher than the middle or end of the first round. I don’t know how Curry translates to the NFL but if you draft a LBer that high he better rush the passer. Which he didn’t do at Wake. Rey Maualua isn’t a 3 down guy so your limited on defense. There are players to be had in the later rounds with huge upside.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Fix the o-line and every thing else will fall into place.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Madden would want to hire Brett Favre as a Special Toughness Consultant.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Fix the D-line first we’ve added depth at least to the o-line.
April 16th, 2009 at 11:59 am
1 LB Ray Maualuga USC
2 DT Ron Brace Boston
3 WR Barden Cal Poly
4 Best SS/FS Safety available
6 FB Quinn Johnson LSU or DT Dorell Scott Clemson
April 16th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Haze
I’m not saying that Madden isn’t a strong personallity. I think it would be cool to have him around. I just don’t think he brings that much to the fooballl operations side of the house. Do you think Madden was the one doing the research on players from week to week? You don’t think the network had people doing research so he had all the info he needed to make the calls during the games? I think your giving him too much credit. I could be wrong, but I doubt he did that much.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
[...] Raiders Blog: Madden now available to Raiders [...]
April 16th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
I guess last year Harris was depth also. Worked out great.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Madden would want to change the name to the Oakland Favrers
April 16th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
LMN — You are a LIAR, trying to make yourself look good again.
The Alabama was captured 350-miles off the coastline. The crew — ALL crews — under Maersk ops control were advised to sail NO CLOSER THAN 300-MILES from shore, because your company’s insurers wouldn’t cover the trips in that part of the world. prior to that, the crews were allowed to sail as “close” as 250-miles from shore.
Credibility goes down the drain when you mis-state facts just to look good, LMN.
Tell us more — whatever you say, I know it will be anti-US, and highly biased to make you look like a seven-seas wiz-kid.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
We need starts not depth. If not o-line though then d-line has to be the pick (Raji)
April 16th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Harris was a bad idea that was never realized until it was too late.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
how far out does our scouts look as far as college talent 1year 2 years could our plan be that far away with a head coach that seems to want to be hear for a while unlike the past.if so could that play into this years draft picks.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
We need more picks than 5 to fill the holes on both lines and safety plus a go to WR. That’s a tall order with just the 5 picks.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Im starting to doubt if Smith will be there at 7. Dude is a beast. Him at Lt, Barnes at RT, Robinson RG, Mack center. Instant contender in AFC west.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
o-o, its that time again. this ones for all you haters out there who’ve done SHATt in terms of foosball…zilch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lmY0tjbZBE
April 16th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
the way some of you talk its like there shouldnt even be a draft if nobody out of the first round is going to be good why not just have a 1 rd draft
April 16th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
daze…
okay you know way better how our policies are than I do.. incredible..
what you talk about are not regarding ship going to Kenya or other east-african countries… but I guess you have sailed those parts? you must have since you know so much… and it has nothing to do with them being americans, I have all the time said Crew, we have more nationalities in this organizations than US has, so they are all under our flag, lightblue with the 7jagged star..
April 16th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
im splitting, its too stupid to discuss something none here knows anything about, if its Madden joining Al in Alameda or if the sailor didnt follow code…
April 16th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
How about this for a little updated Raider Mock action:
RD 1- WR Michael Crabtree
RD 2- DT/DE Jarron Gilbert or RT Phil Loadholt (experience playing in ZBS, ideal RT)
RD 3- Jasper Brinkley or DT Terrance Taylor (Taylor is super strong and plays with great leverage and is tough and nasty, exactly what the Raiders need on that D-Line)
RD 4- DT Terrance Taylor, S Chip Vaughn or S David Bruton
April 16th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
And RN951 — A container ship the size of the Alabama doesn’t make any fast moves. Not getting pulled into/under that big ship is as easy as letting go of the rope. One of the biggest problems in the maritime world is the fact that armed pirates, in the smallest of craft, can take down the largest (unarmed) ship in the world.
Besides, if you ask LMN, the crew was SUPPOSED to let the pirates take them hostage (another half-truth to make himself look more like the expert).
April 16th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Why gamble with the no. 7 pick just to address one need??? Trading for Boldin is an option if you don’t give up the draft for him. This years one and next years 2or 3
April 16th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
LMN
Don’t get all bent out of shape. Don’t sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
lunch over remember O_LINE= greatness
see you later
April 16th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
i think that so called advisor you all speak of is tim brown and as far as the draft goes trade down dont overpay unproven kids . . . out of all the guys we drafted in last 5 years we have 7 current starters . . . crapshoot
April 16th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
How do you separate the boys from the men at sea ?………….with a crowbar…….nothing personal guys
April 16th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Lynn from Snot Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Why gamble with the no. 7 pick just to address one need??? Trading for Boldin is an option if you don’t give up the draft for him. This years one and next years 2or 3
^^^^^^^
Agreed!
April 16th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Saints signed former Chargers LB Anthony Waters.
Steelers resigned Charlie Batch
Jags extended MJD
Niners extended two of their players
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wow. slow the past 2 days
April 16th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
What if Arizona would take the No. 7 pick + either Burgess or Fargas or Huff for Boldin. Any takers? All of those guys would fill positions of need for Arizona.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Anquan Boldin!
For the third year in a row, I will champion the call for Boldin.
Good-bye Andrew Walter and the #7 pick — and hello JaMarcus Russell’s new best friend!
Given a fair shake, Andrew would displace Leinhart as the #2 QB in AZ, and the Cards could pick another young QB to develop late in the draft.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
DKnight007: post #132 I’m luvin it …
April 16th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Might as well be no. 7 and some magic beans
April 16th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
How about this for a little updated Raider Mock action:
RD 1- WR Michael Crabtree
RD 2- DT/DE Jarron Gilbert or RT Phil Loadholt (experience playing in ZBS, ideal RT)
RD 3- Jasper Brinkley or DT Terrance Taylor (Taylor is super strong and plays with great leverage and is tough and nasty, exactly what the Raiders need on that D-Line)
RD 4- DT Terrance Taylor, S Chip Vaughn or S David Bruton
^^^^^ Once again though….if Crabtree is not there at #7….the Raiders need to TRADE the hell out of that pick if they can.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
How about this for a little updated Raider Mock action:
RD 1- WR Michael Crabtree
RD 2- DT/DE Jarron Gilbert or RT Phil Loadholt (experience playing in ZBS, ideal RT)
RD 3- Jasper Brinkley or DT Terrance Taylor (Taylor is super strong and plays with great leverage and is tough and nasty, exactly what the Raiders need on that D-Line)
RD 4- DT Terrance Taylor, S Chip Vaughn or S David Bruton
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I think that’s very good. I’d definitely be happy with Crabtree, Loadholt, Brinkley and Vaughn especially.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
If we could trade Fargas, Walter & the 7th overall for Anquan Boldin I would do it in a heartbeat …
April 16th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Haze
I have boarded ships the size of Alabama. It can make enough of a turn to pull the smaller craft under the ship. If the Cargo ship turns, the rubber sides of the RHIB grab onto the steel hull of the ship. With the quenching of the water under the hull the Rhib stays connected to the hull and the water rises flipping the smaller craft. If the “pirates” haven’t managed to get their “rope” connected to the ship what happens to them? Instant chum. Mistakes were made. Its over for the crew of the Alabama but 60 other ships have been “pirated” in that area. Other hostages are still missing.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
If we could trade Fargas, Walter & the 7th overall for Anquan Boldin I would do it in a heartbeat …
Too bad that won’t happen , I don’t think their GM is on medication.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
I’m pretty sure Andrew Walter has zero trade value. The only option I can think of is I think Jacksonville’s OC was Walter’s head coach at Arizona State. If they offered a 7th rounder I’d take it in a second. Other than that, I don’t see anyone giving up a draft pick for a 3rd string QB.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Boldin is on pace, and shows all the traits, to be a Hall Of Fame receiver. He has proven himself from day-one, as a rookie in the Pro Bowl, and as a competitor no matter what the injury or circumstance.
Boldin is a proven success at this level, more valuable than ANY unproven WR prospect coming out of college this year.
Go get Boldin.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
It would take at least our no.7 and next years no.2 or 3 and maybe one of our Huff type players.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
dont be so quick to trade fargas or any of our “productive” guys as far as crabtree goes we got higgins for about 1/100000000 the cost doesnt matter anyway if we dont ever beat the loser chargers
April 16th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
How about Edwards from the Browns how much would we have to give up or willing to give up?
April 16th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Can we sign Roy Williams already or what?
April 16th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Which Roy Williams ?
April 16th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Someone earlier made a comment about trading the 7th to the jets for their 1 and 2, plus another pick later…..
If that were to happen:
17. Rey Maualuga (if he’s still available, but I doubt it.)
Trade the 52 (Jets 2nd) and 72 (Raiders 3rd) for Arizona’s 1st (31st) and draft Brace.
40. Draft Mack, Unger, Wood, English, Delmas, or Ingram etc.
I would be happy with that draft. Defense would get some love, OL would get some love, and possibly a safety early in the draft. 3 needs filled, 4 holes filled with 3 picks.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Cincy signed the safety last week.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
951 — Obviously, it’s not too hard for these ships to be taken, or they all wouldn’t be going down. Don’t really want to (can’t) solve the shipping industry’s piracy problems, I just wanted to point out to LMN that not everybody out here is completely blind to the facts and regulations he likes to subjectively throw out.
Anquan Boldin?
Trade Andrew Walter, this year’s 1st-round pick, and next year’s 2nd-round pick.
No Boldin (or a close facsimile)?? TRADE DOWN and go get the WR we need later in the 1st-round (Hakeem Nicks!?), and the MLB we need with the next pick.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
So the Jets could get a QB at 7 ? do-able
April 16th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Lynn from Snot Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
How do you separate the boys from the men at sea ?………….with a crowbar…….nothing personal
LMAO!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
If Al has to have a WR in the 1st he could trade the 40 and 52 to get back to the middle of the 1st and get DH-B
April 16th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
I just hope there is a scenario where somebody wants to move up bad enough to trade with us. That’s why this draft will be more interesting than past because there is not a consensus no. 1 and the rocketing rookie salaries.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
rn951 we need more picks not less
April 16th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Who’s ready to watch the “Mike Vick Experiance-Reality T.V.”
LOL, what a tool
April 16th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
FUKK vick
April 16th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
I’m sure PETA will
April 16th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Anyone out there don’t think we should sign Roy Williams? Do me a favor, check out these highlights and tell me the last time we had a safety make one play in the course of an entire season that looks remotely like the 100 or so in this reel:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvIijQyYPnI&feature=related
Just fast forward through the first minute, a pointlessly long intro. But I think the next three gave me a concussion.
Imagine pairing this guy up with Maualuga. That should solve the Run D right there because the opposing offense will probably be too scared to get off the bus.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Roy williams signed with the Bangals
April 16th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
I don’t think the Bengals signed Roy Williams. Did they?
April 16th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Uck Vick and Pit Bulls, it is all about BLACK MOUTH CURRS!
April 16th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
yes sir to go along with their other chiorboys
April 16th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
PETA
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals
April 16th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
# Lynn from Snot Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Roy williams signed with the Bangals
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No. Totally not true. The Bengals signed DT Tank Johnson about a week ago. Williams is still a free agent.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
PETA……. that guy from Boston
April 16th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Your right what was i thinking
April 16th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Top 10 Rush Defenses – 7 of 10 made the playoffs. Chicago and the Jets came within 1 game. These teams all have stellar defensive lines and average offenses. Chris Cooley is the leading receiver of any on these teams 83.
The Raiders can have a running game as good as any of these teams, a great TE and burners at WR.
Meanwhile our D-Line is not even in the same league with these guys. FIX THE DEFENSE!
1. Minnesota
2. Pittsburgh
3. Baltimore
4. Philadelphia
5. Chicago
6. Tennessee
7. New York Jets
8. Washington
9. Giants
10. Miami
April 16th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Didn’t Lynn from Snot die? Just askin.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
I see Roy Williams as more of a liability than asset. He is terrible against the pass.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Even the great Ronnie Lott lost a step. When that happens to a great hitter, it doesn’t matter how feared they are — if the young guys don’t get caught, they can’t get hurt very often by the guy.
I don’t want to see the back of a once-great hitter, as he’s plodding down the field chasing his prey to end-zone. We have that enough already, with wannabes.
This team needs a new defensive attitude — a mean one — but it needs to come with speed. Speed baby. This team needs all the (game) speed it can get on defense. Mean speed, baby.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
We should trade our 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders this year plus Justin Fargas, Derrick Burgess, Andrew Walter, Michael Huff, Javon Walker and the unpaid portion of Lane Kiffin’s contract to Arizona in exchange for Anquan Boldin
April 16th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
R8Rpaver,
We need starters more than picks. Trade down with Jets and you get 2 more picks (1 this year one next) That is where the 2 second rounders came from.
I would be happy with MLB @ 17, trade a 40th and 108th (2nd and 4th) to ensure the Raiders could get Brace. With the 52 there should be a good player still available that would come in and push a starter or start himself. That would leave the 3rd round pick for which ever S/CB/WR that fits Al’s Height/Weight/Speed mold.
Raiders would still have 5 picks, but would collect 3 starters. Much better than getting 1 or 2 with staying @ 7 and 40 and taking the “best available.” Raiders can’t afford to do that and be competitive this year.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
I loved those Roy Williams highlights. I have not seen safety hits like that since Ronnie Lott use to lay them out.
The only question you have to ask yourself is how much juice does this guy still have in his tank. You can’t have a long career making hits like that. If Roy can pass his physical and stay helthy sign him up. If we wait a little longer we can most likely get him on the cheap. Al is being real smart this time around man.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Lynn From Snot died Dec. 1998 with his dog in a car accident
April 16th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Cerabtree at 7 but most likely he will be going to the Bengals. Maybe Maclin is the pick at 7 I don’t know?
Did anyone watch Maclin outside of youtube highlights to see him as a top 10 pick?????? Especially at 7.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
The horse collar rule is pure BS , what is this league coming to?
April 16th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
How about this for a little updated Raider Mock action:
RD 1- WR Michael Crabtree
RD 2- DT/DE Jarron Gilbert or RT Phil Loadholt (experience playing in ZBS, ideal RT)
RD 3- Jasper Brinkley or DT Terrance Taylor (Taylor is super strong and plays with great leverage and is tough and nasty, exactly what the Raiders need on that D-Line)
RD 4- DT Terrance Taylor, S Chip Vaughn or S David Bruton
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That looks good to me. If we can’t trade out of No. 7 Crabtree is as good as anyone. I would love to get Gilbert or Loadholt in the second. Love Brinkly, and I think we will have to pick him in the third to be sure we get him. Not a big fan of Taylor, I happen to like Kelly as our Tech 3 DT and Warren is a better fit there as well. Taylor will not play NT in the NFL and that is where we are thin. I would rather us pick Myron Prior, or Antonio Dixion in the 7th to address NT since there will be none left in the 4th.
April 16th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
NOOOOOO! Maclin at 7
April 16th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
PETA
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals
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LOL. doesn’t PETA protect Dirty Raccoons?
April 16th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Why draft Higgins 2.0 @ 7?
April 16th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
WE need more picks and with that i’m off to the pub
April 16th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Roy Williams is only 28. Ronnie Lott was 32 when he came to Oakland and had a very productive, All-Pro caliber two years.
This defense needs an enforcer. There’s none better at that role in an NFL secondary right now than Roy Williams.
April 16th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Maclin hyperextended his knee running the 40, what happens when he runs a crossing route and Merriman lights him up?
April 16th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
8 of the top 11 run defenses made the playoffs last year.
The Raiders have the 2nd worse run defense in the NFL and one of the worst over the last 6yrs
April 16th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
2nd “worst”
April 16th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Post 192
Unfortunately he stinks against the pass and we have two division teams with great TE’s.
April 16th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Boldin is on pace, and shows all the traits, to be a Hall Of Fame receiver. He has proven himself from day-one, as a rookie in the Pro Bowl, and as a competitor no matter what the injury or circumstance.
Boldin is a proven success at this level, more valuable than ANY unproven WR prospect coming out of college this year.
Go get Boldin.
^^^^^^
I wouldn’t have any problem if they dealt the #7 for Boldin. Just as long as they only give up next years 2nd or 3rd rounder and not next years 1st Rounder.
April 16th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Cerabtree at 7 but most likely he will be going to the Bengals. Maybe Maclin is the pick at 7 I don’t know?
Did anyone watch Maclin outside of youtube highlights to see him as a top 10 pick?????? Especially at 7.
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I never thought anyone on the field for Missouri looked like a legitimate first day pick. This is including Maclin and Hood. They were an undersized, quick, big 12 north team that ran a gimmick offense. Big 12 north = lower level of competition.
The difference between Crabtree and Maclin is that Crabtree played in the Big 12 south against a much higher level of competition. And even though he was in a gimmick offense, he made enough spectacular plays outside of the confines of the offense (i.e. grabbing jump balls over 2 defenders) that make scouts think his balance, hands and ball skills are good enough to translate to the pro level.
If we drafted Maclin at #7 it would surely sour this offseason for me which has looked brilliant up until the draft. If Sanchez is on the Board at 7 and we don’t find a way to trade out, I will also be sad. But I got faith in the Raiders, this offseason they have made all the right moves so far. Lets hope it continues in the draft.
April 16th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Chris in NY Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Roy Williams is only 28. Ronnie Lott was 32 when he came to Oakland and had a very productive, All-Pro caliber two years.
This defense needs an enforcer. There’s none better at that role in an NFL secondary right now than Roy Williams.
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I agree. Filling the SS role with a tackler and hitter who is good against the run like Williams would be a good move. Give him a 1 or 2 year contract and let him prove himself like they did by signing Barnes.
April 16th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Get strong on D
O has weapons
1st rnd Rey Rey…Don’t care if its a reach
2nd rnd Brace
3rd rnd Vaghn
Pad both lines with the rest
DO NOT DRAFT…P/K…QB…any other BS
April 16th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
I know what everyone says about Williams in coverage but I think it’s overhyped. He’s made more plays in pass coverage than Michael Huff, Hiram Eugene, Tyvon Branch, Stuart Schweigert, Derrick Gibson and maybe Gibril Wilson combined over the last 7 years.
Roy Williams is a warrior.
April 16th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Washington Raider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
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I never thought anyone on the field for Missouri looked like a legitimate first day pick. This is including Maclin and Hood. They were an undersized, quick, big 12 north team that ran a gimmick offense. Big 12 north = lower level of competition.
The difference between Crabtree and Maclin is that Crabtree played in the Big 12 south against a much higher level of competition. And even though he was in a gimmick offense, he made enough spectacular plays outside of the confines of the offense (i.e. grabbing jump balls over 2 defenders) that make scouts think his balance, hands and ball skills are good enough to translate to the pro level.
If we drafted Maclin at #7 it would surely sour this offseason for me which has looked brilliant up until the draft. If Sanchez is on the Board at 7 and we don’t find a way to trade out, I will also be sad. But I got faith in the Raiders, this offseason they have made all the right moves so far. Lets hope it continues in the draft.
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Agreed….I feel the same way. If Sanchez is on the board at #7….the Raiders need to try their damnest to work a deal to trade down because we all should know by now teams that are drafting below us want him….badly!
April 16th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
# 198
Great post,
Top recievers all come from spread offense…
They will need to adjust to pro level…
How long will this take?
Also good for 5-10 plays a game?
Rey-Rey 20-30 a game
By the way, the 2 down BS is just that…BS
GET STRONG AND NASTY ON “D”
Go Raiders!
April 16th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Notable Front 7 for the top 10 run defenses:
1. Minnesota – Pat & Kevin Williams, Jared Allen
2. Pittsburgh – Casey Hampton, James Farrior
3. Baltimore – Haloti Ngata, Ray Lewis
4. Philadelphia – Trent Cole, Broderick Bunkley
5. Chicago – Tommie Harris, Bryan Urlacher
6. Tennessee – Haynesworth (traded), Kyle Vandenbosch
7. New York Jets – Kris Jenkins
8. Washington – London Fletcher
9. Giants – Justin Tuck, Antonio Pierce, 4 good DTs
10. Miami – Channing Crowder, Jason Ferguson
April 16th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
DirtyRaccoon Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
PETA
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals
Oh thats BAD
April 16th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
OF THESE CHOICES, WHAT ARE THE RAIDERS BIGGEST (ON-FIELD!) NEEDS?
WR
OL
FB
DL
LB
S
April 16th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Washington Raider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
# DKnight007 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
How about this for a little updated Raider Mock action:
RD 1- WR Michael Crabtree
RD 2- DT/DE Jarron Gilbert or RT Phil Loadholt (experience playing in ZBS, ideal RT)
RD 3- Jasper Brinkley or DT Terrance Taylor (Taylor is super strong and plays with great leverage and is tough and nasty, exactly what the Raiders need on that D-Line)
RD 4- DT Terrance Taylor, S Chip Vaughn or S David Bruton
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That looks good to me. If we can’t trade out of No. 7 Crabtree is as good as anyone. I would love to get Gilbert or Loadholt in the second. Love Brinkly, and I think we will have to pick him in the third to be sure we get him. Not a big fan of Taylor, I happen to like Kelly as our Tech 3 DT and Warren is a better fit there as well. Taylor will not play NT in the NFL and that is where we are thin. I would rather us pick Myron Prior, or Antonio Dixion in the 7th to address NT since there will be none left in the 4th.
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Yeah I should have put down in the Round 1 slot to pick Crabtree or trade down. My main reason for liking Taylor is because of his big time STRENGTH and wrestling background. Guys like that can control the line of scrimmage with their hand technique and pure strength. The Raiders D-Line needs those type of players with those skills.
April 16th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
We should trade our 1st, 2nd and 3rd rounders this year plus Justin Fargas, Derrick Burgess, Andrew Walter, Michael Huff, Javon Walker and the unpaid portion of Lane Kiffin’s contract to Arizona in exchange for Anquan Boldin
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Would we get their fourth or what i dnt want to be duped or ripped off???
April 16th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Chris, those Roy Williams highlights are absolutely ridiculous. But really, just makes me wonder how freakin bad must his coverage skills have gotten for him to be out of a job?
April 16th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
# 198
Great post,
Top recievers all come from spread offense…
They will need to adjust to pro level…
How long will this take?
Also good for 5-10 plays a game?
Rey-Rey 20-30 a game
By the way, the 2 down BS is just that…BS
GET STRONG AND NASTY ON “D”
Go Raiders!
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I have thought that exact same thing all along about all these people complaining about us getting a LB that will only be a 2 down player. That is the nature of the league now days. Patrick Willis is a 2 down player, Rey Lewis is a 2 down player, heck mister $100 million Haynesworth is a 2 down player. I would love to see us get Rey. I feel confident we can trade all the way down to 17 and still get him. We must trade down in this draft. The players we want are all in the 15-60 range not the 5-10 range. We can’t afford to pay top 10 money again this year. Just Trade Down Baby!!
April 16th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Repost: Here is the history of “can’t miss” receivers. The Crabtree’s and Maclin’s of their day. Those taken in the top 10 since 1980
2007 1 2 Calvin Johnson WR DET
2007 1 9 Ted Ginn Jr. WR MIA
2005 1 3 Braylon Edwards WR CLE
2005 1 7 Troy Williamson WR MIN
2005 1 10 Mike Williams WR DET
2004 1 3 Larry FitzgeraldWR ARI
2004 1 7 Roy E. Williams WR DET
2004 1 9 Reggie Williams WR JAX
2003 1 2 Charles Rogers WR DET
2003 1 3 Andre Johnson WR HOU
2001 1 8 David Terrell WR CHI
2001 1 9 Koren Robinson WR SEA
2000 1 4 Peter Warrick WR CIN
2000 1 8 Plaxico Burress WR PIT
2000 1 10 Travis Taylor WR BAL
1999 1 6 Torry Holt WR STL
1999 1 8 David Boston WR ARI
1997 1 7 Ike Hilliard WR NYG
1996 1 1 Keyshawn JohnsonWR NYJ
1996 1 7 Terry Glenn WR NWE
1995 1 4 Michael WestbrookWR WAS
1995 1 8 Joey Galloway WR SEA
1995 1 10 J.J. Stokes WR SFO
1993 1 7 Curtis Conway WR CHI
1992 1 4 Desmond Howard WR WAS
1991 1 10 Herman Moore WR DET
1988 1 6 Tim Brown WR RAI
1988 1 7 Sterling Sharpe WR GNB
1985 1 10 Al Toon WR NYJ
1984 1 1 Irving Fryar WR NWE
1984 1 4 Kenny Jackson WR PHI
1981 1 10 David Verser WR CIN
1980 1 2 Lam Jones WR NYJ
April 16th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Dknight007,
You are definately right that we need to add strength to our D-line, and right now adding anyone will improve that situation.
April 16th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Repost: The top 10 DTs taken since 1980. None were taken until 1985. Hits and misses here as well, but a good percentage of solid starters in this group.
2008 1 5 Glenn Dorsey DT KAN
2008 1 7 Sedrick Ellis DT NOR
2007 1 10 Amobi Okoye DT HOU
2003 1 4 Dewayne RobertsonDT NYJ
2003 1 6 Johnathan SullivanDT NOR
2003 1 9 Kevin Williams DT MIN
2002 1 6 Ryan Sims DT KAN
2002 1 9 John Henderson DT JAX
2001 1 3 Gerard Warren DT CLE
2000 1 6 Corey Simon DT PHI
1997 1 2 Darrell Russell DT OAK
1994 1 1 Dan Wilkinson DT CIN
1994 1 7 Bryant Young DT SFO
1994 1 8 Sam Adams DT SEA
1992 1 3 Sean Gilbert DT RAM
1991 1 1 Russell MarylandDT DAL
1991 1 6 Eric Swann DT PHO
1990 1 3 Cortez Kennedy DT SEA
1990 1 10 Ray Agnew DT NWE
1987 1 9 Jerome Brown DT PHI
1986 1 2 Tony Casillas DT ATL
1985 1 3 Ray Childress DT HOU
April 16th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Offensive tackle is the safest position to pick in the top 10 from a bust perspective.
2008 1 1 Jake Long T MIA
2007 1 3 Joe Thomas T CLE
2007 1 5 Levi Brown T ARI
2006 1 4 D’Brickashaw FergusonT NYJ
2004 1 2 Robert Gallery T OAK
2003 1 8 Jordan Gross T CAR
2002 1 4 Mike D. WilliamsT BUF
2002 1 7 Bryant McKinnie T MIN
2002 1 10 Levi Jones T CIN
2001 1 2 Leonard Davis T ARI
2000 1 3 Chris Samuels T WAS
1998 1 7 Kyle Turley T NOR
1997 1 1 Orlando Pace T STL
1997 1 6 Walter Jones T SEA
1996 1 4 Jonathan Ogden T BAL
1996 1 10 Willie Anderson T CIN
1995 1 2 Tony Boselli T JAX
1993 1 8 Willie Roaf T NOR
1993 1 9 Lincoln Kennedy T ATL
1992 1 8 Bob Whitfield T ATL
1992 1 10 Ray Roberts T SEA
1991 1 7 Charles McRae T TAM
1991 1 8 Antone Davis T PHI
1990 1 9 Richmond Webb T MIA
1989 1 2 Tony Mandarich T GNB
1988 1 4 Paul Gruber T TAM
1985 1 6 Lomas Brown T DET
1985 1 7 Ken Ruettgers T GNB
1985 1 9 Kevin Allen T PHI
1984 1 2 Dean Steinkuhler HOU
1983 1 4 Chris Hinton T DEN
1983 1 6 Jimbo Covert T CHI
1980 1 3 Anthony Munoz HOF CIN
April 16th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
S&B: you don’t need to convince anybody anymore that Raji is the guy …
Crabtree will be off the board before pick at #7
here’s the craptastic four Davis/Cable will have to choose from:
Raji, Orakpo, Oher & Maclin
so who’s it gonna be?
April 16th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
If the Raiders go offense #7 then please draft an OT. If the Raiders are not going OT at 7 then please go get Raji!
April 16th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Offensive tackle is the safest position to pick in the top 10 from a bust perspective.
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that answers my question from #215
the Oakland Raiders select … OT Michael Oher
April 16th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
here’s the craptastic four Davis/Cable will have to choose from:
Raji, Orakpo, Oher & Maclin
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Raji – He’s the pick of the four. Raiders haven’t had a space eating tackle in 10 years and the run defense is appalling. See videos I posted yesterday
Oher – He would be my 2nd choice. A good LT from the SEC who could anchor the left side for 10 yrs.
Orakpo – The Raiders need an everydown Base DE that can rush the passer AND play the run. Orakpo is an OLB/DE tweener. Already have two of those on the roster in Scott and Burgess
Maclin – An absolute disaster of a pick for the Raiders at 7. Another speedy receiver who has questionable route running and played the spread. A good pick at 18 or so. No way I am giving him $20M when I have JLH on the roster and he has 2 yrs of NFL experience.
April 16th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Rey @ 7
Brace @ 40
Chung @ 71
Al’s Height/Weight/Speed pick or this years Bush/Shields @ 126.
3 solid defensive players fixing what is really wrong with the Raiders.
April 16th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
RaiderRockstar,
OT in the top 10 is the safest pick by far. But if the Raiders go OT, then someone needs to ask Cable and company why they would waste free agent dollars on Barnes, Pears and that guy from Minnesota? Unless Mario Henderson is a bust.
We did give up two 3rd round picks to get the guy
April 16th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
SnB,
I read every word of this blog every day. Try to do more listening and learning than preaching and commenting. I pay attention to what EVERYONE has to say and keep an open mind. After weeks of doing so I am convinced the rest of us need to pay attention. You are the only one who appears to give value to all the opinions of others, but whose own opinion makes COMPLETE sense. I think you are correct. The offense now has enough tools to be competitive with proper coaching. FIX THE DEFENSE…keeping in mind that a stud MLB cannot do his job adequately without a NT who commands a double-team. If you don’t think so….ask Ray Lewis! If we can get both….great. If we can only have one this year, get the NT. Our linebackers will be able to do their jobs better, perfectly suited for inside or not.
April 16th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
SnB, This would work: Rookie sits this year unless Henderson or Barnes isn’t working, in which case he gets playing time. Pears and the guy from Minn battle for the other back up spot. I don’t think we’re out of room if we draft a T. Also, I don’t think guys like Pears should dictate what you do in the draft. They’re cheap enough to cut.
April 16th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Gallery was considered the “can’t miss franchise LT” in his draft. After 300 different line coaches he is nothing more than a Gaurd. IF an OT is drafted in the 1st round and he isn’t a LOT for years, he is considered a bust. Mandrich is still considered the biggest bust of all time and he had a pretty good career, just not at tackle.
April 16th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
“Crabtree is now visiting 4 teams this week. I can’t confirm the teams just yet, but I believe three of them to be the San Francisco 49ers, the New York Giants and the Cleveland Browns.” – crabtreezone.com/
…I wonder if Crabtree may be in Oakland this week.
April 16th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Would very much love to se Madden back in OakTown.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Raider Nation 951 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Rey @ 7
Brace @ 40
Chung @ 71
Al’s Height/Weight/Speed pick or this years Bush/Shields @ 126.
3 solid defensive players fixing what is really wrong with the Raiders.
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This is ideal for me I love crabbs……but not as much as love winning and playing D!!!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Rather, Davis dropped Madden’s name a few years back when asked who would help run the team when his time had passed. The franchise itself will be passed onto his son Mark and wife Carol.
But Davis also said he’d like to see Madden come back and offer some form of help on the football side of things, possibly as a de facto general manager on director of football operations.
Some would argue Davis needs that help immediately, but that’s a debate for another day. Madden has been engulfed in football since Davis made him one of the youngest head coaches in NFL history. Perhaps he’ll find it too hard to stay away from football altogether and would like a way to be involved without being too involved — because no matter what his role under Davis’ watch, it’s still Davis’ show.
Madden absolutely would re-infuse instant credibility to the franchise.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
No Crabtree! Even if he turns into a great receiver for someone else!!
No more #1 WR with a bad wheel to start his Raiders career — not worth the risk, or the guaranteed money!
Barring a stunning trade, IMO the correct order of picks this year should be:
1) WR (after trading down)
2) MLB
3) OL
4) DL
5+) Best available at needs
April 16th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
later nation 221 good assesment of SnB
Dont know about the only one but…yeah he know his beloved raiders!!!!
FIX this D …Ican live with that
OUT!!!!
Norco lets make a deal!!!! skins tix for___________?
April 16th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Trade down and load up the picks
April 16th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
S&B: given the choices Raji, Orakpo, Oher & Maclin I have to pick Raji as well …
I’d be happy with Orakpo too.
He’s a younger, healthier, stronger version of Derrick Burgess … D-Burg is a free agent next year
less chance of Orakpo becoming a huge bust imo
April 16th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
SnB,
I just wish I felt as strongly as you about Raji. I feel he is going to be available at #7 but I’m not sure he is truly a NT and I question his stamina.
It is probably moot anyway because Al has no more cap room in the doughnut fund.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
SinceFrankYouellField,
I think there are two lines of thinking with the Raiders this year: One group says fix the offense the other says fix the defense.
The offense first team does not have enough evidence that Henderson, Schilins or JLH have what it takes to be starters. They see a Tackle and Receiver as vital for Russell’s development. Makes sense, Russell is a franchise QB. As for the defense they blame Rob Ryan and feel the defense will be good if the offense does better. Or they are willing to accept the defense as is and wait until next year to address the D.
The defense first crowd thinks enough evidence exists to give Henderson, Schilens and JLH an opportunity based on the last half of the season. Therefore fix the defense. The cause and solution is more divided. You have four lines of thought.
1. The defense is bad because the DTs are bad. Even here there is disagreement as to the remedy. Is it Raji, Brace or Taylor?
2. The defense is bad because Morrison is not a big MLB. THey see Mauluga or Brinkley as a solution and move Morrison outside or off the roster.
3. The defense is bad because of the DEs. Is it pass rush or base DE. JHill talks about an everydown DE…which I agree with.
4. All of the above
I am all personally defense first and think the problems are “All of the Above” The DTs don’t penetrate or hold their position and there is too much evidence of Guards and Tackles punishing linebackers because the D-Line is single blocked.
I think a Base DE is absolutely critical on the left side. Its a joke to have Burgess over there getting run out of plays.
As for Morrison. People are hard on him, but his speed and pursuit is probably better used on the outside. A more physical prescence up the middle WITH a space eater at DT could improve things quite a bit.
I hope the Raider draft room is having a similiar discussion and not just looking at 40x and getting excited about 70 yard bombs from JaMarcus. I hope Cable can tell Davis to focus on football.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Madden would be a great source for Cable.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Raider Nation 951 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Rey @ 7
Brace @ 40
Chung @ 71
Al’s Height/Weight/Speed pick or this years Bush/Shields @ 126.
3 solid defensive players fixing what is really wrong with the Raiders
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Could not agree more…I have Vaugn at 71
All of these guys would start week 1!
By the way Patrick Turner can be had in late rounds.
Great size, good hands, comes from a pro system.
Upgrade the “D”
Also don’t want Rey-Rey going to the Dolts or Donkeys
April 16th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
nader64 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
SnB, This would work: Rookie sits this year unless Henderson or Barnes isn’t working, in which case he gets playing time. Pears and the guy from Minn battle for the other back up spot. I don’t think we’re out of room if we draft a T. Also, I don’t think guys like Pears should dictate what you do in the draft. They’re cheap enough to cut.
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Agreed….
April 16th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Raider Nation 951 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Gallery was considered the “can’t miss franchise LT” in his draft. After 300 different line coaches he is nothing more than a Gaurd. IF an OT is drafted in the 1st round and he isn’t a LOT for years, he is considered a bust. Mandrich is still considered the biggest bust of all time and he had a pretty good career, just not at tackle.
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Raiders stupidity and coaching chaos (Davis fault) is why Gallery busted as a tackle. But even with Gallery failing as a tackle, at least the Raiders are getting a Pro-Bowl caliber guard. Leonard Pope had the same issue too.
But OTs are the safest pick in the top 10 by far. Over 20 yrs and most have been solid starters at the least and Pro-Bowlers at best.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
nader64 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
SnB, This would work: Rookie sits this year unless Henderson or Barnes isn’t working, in which case he gets playing time. Pears and the guy from Minn battle for the other back up spot. I don’t think we’re out of room if we draft a T. Also, I don’t think guys like Pears should dictate what you do in the draft. They’re cheap enough to cut.
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An OT in the top 10 has to play right away. LTs learn on the field. You draft Oher or Smith, then you have a competition for RT between Mario and Barnes and probably end up cutting Pears.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
I know its been covered, but…
Nice to see actual Raider talk on this site.
Thanks Jerry!
April 16th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Is Maddendumba$$ at this again? The history revisionist is telling us that somehow from 1966-1975 and again from 1978-1990 Al Davis, the owner/GM, completely deferred to Ron Wolf on all the personnel decisions. Amazing how Al had that quick turnaround in 1963 w/out Ron Wolf.
The first question Maddendumba$$ should ask himself is why on earth would the Tampa Bay Buccaneers fire Ron Wolf as GM after 1977? I mean the guy drafted Ricky Bell over Tony Dorsett. What the hell was wrong with Hugh Culverhouse? It’s amazing considering that the same year while Wolf was nailing picks like Bell, Randy Hedberg & Dave Lewis, Al was whiffing on players such as Mike Davis, Mickey Marvin, f-ing Lester Hayes & Rod Martin. Yup, all the glory drafting years must’ve belonged to Ron Wolf.
Ron Wolf has admitted to SI that HE was the one who coaxed Al into the Schroeder for Lachey trade, and told USA Today SportsWeekly in 2004 that Al wanted to take Marcus. That must really pi$$ you off Maddenpu$$y.
Now what has Ron Wolf said about his experience under Al Davis? He told this to the packers website. “I had an opportunity to learn from — to me — the greatest figure in the game today, Al Davis. He knows every aspect of the game of professional football — not just the X’s and O’s but from the business standpoint and the talent standpoint. He is totally involved, and he taught me. I was very, very fortunate to work for him.”
And BTW d!ickhead, all my cracks at Wolf were tounge-in-cheek. He was a smart guy and that’s why Al hired him. But by his own admission he’s stating Al is the greatest figure in the game.
I hope someday you stop acting like an ignorant piece of crap, but being an unhappy lying sack of sh!t politician is your motto isn’t it.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Bottom line with Raji is there’s no way to be sure if he benefited from Brace being there which made Raji look better than he is. Plus it’s a soft draft for DT’s, so I’d rather just have Brace in the 2nd.
I’m torn in the first, but if the Crab’s not available or one of Cable’s “Cadillacs”, I say trade down and do damage with the extra picks. We’ve got a few holes to fill.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Lions, signed Ronald Curry. Per, profootballtalk.com
April 16th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Raiders_83 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Raider Nation 951 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Rey @ 7
Brace @ 40
Chung @ 71
Al’s Height/Weight/Speed pick or this years Bush/Shields @ 126.
3 solid defensive players fixing what is really wrong with the Raiders
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Could not agree more…I have Vaugn at 71
All of these guys would start week 1!
By the way Patrick Turner can be had in late rounds.
Great size, good hands, comes from a pro system.
Upgrade the “D”
Also don’t want Rey-Rey going to the Dolts or Donkeys
^^^^^^
If the Raiders TRADE DOWN which they should do….they can really add some solid talent and fill major holes on the roster. This would allow them to get tough and physical players on the Lines first and then get a big, fast and strong WR in Round 3 or 4 like Bardem or Turner.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
S&B: nowhere in post #233 did I read anything about coaching or scheme. nothing about younger players with potential either. it’s always doom & gloom when we talk about the defense, but oh happy days when talking about the offense.
if you’re going to rely on scrubs to fill up the roster on the o-line and WR corps then BJ Raji better make a darn good impression at DT. If he shows up out of shape, doesn’t learn the system fast enough or fails to beat out one of the current DT’s on the roster we’re in trouble. If he gets a drug suspension he’ll be a liability, not an asset. he doesn’t have the best track record. how can we be convinced that he’s a changed man and that all his past issues are behind him? when you invest so much money in a player at such a critical position you expect big things.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
S&B: given the choices Raji, Orakpo, Oher & Maclin I have to pick Raji as well …
I’d be happy with Orakpo too.
He’s a younger, healthier, stronger version of Derrick Burgess … D-Burg is a free agent next year
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Rockstar,
Don’t we need to fix existing problems and not future ones? I would rather roll with Burgess and Scott this year. There are CURRENT AND DESPERATE needs at DT, LDE, S and maybe WR to some folks. I don’t see adding a pass rusher as an immediate need. A base DE like Tyson Jackson I could support at 7.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
#240
The fact of the matter is Ron Wolf was the Chief Scout of the Raiders from 1966-1975 and from 1978-1990. He found all those Hall of Famers we drafted in the late rounds, by riding the Trains & Busses all over this country.
While Al Davis was filing Lawsuits and erecting his own legend.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
The idea of trading down sounds good, but as Lynn From Snot points out at #68, you may have to settle for a lot less this year.
I think that if you like a player that you’re sure is going in the first round, take him.
By the way, where is Snot?
April 16th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Looks like Andre Smith won’t get past the Bengals. The top 6 are looking like Stafford, Jason Smith, Curry, Monroe, Crabtree and Andre Smith.
That leaves us with a choice of Maclin, Heyward-Bey, Orakpo, Raji and Oher.
Maclin is not a great possession receiver – he is brilliant after the catch (like Boldin) but we need a go-to guy. Heyward-Bey is a project and terrible value at No7. Orakpo is a tweener, sorry hybrid, and could well be another Gholston. Raji is okay but he played on a great college D-line and we already have so much money invested in DTs.
Which leaves Oher. No7 is a bit of a reach but, OT is the safest pick and this kid has the tools and still has an upside. With Andre Smith gone, we must take the last of the top 4 OTs.
At No7, the Oakland Raiders draft Michael Oher.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
here i am
April 16th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
RaiderRockstar,
In post 233 I said that many offense first folks blame Rob Ryan for the problems on defense. I guess that was worded poorly as it implies that replacing Ryan (John Marshall) should improve the defense. A belief I think you have.
You said “if you’re going to rely on scrubs to fill up the roster on the o-line and WR”. That confirms my opinion that “offense first” opinion does not believe that Henderson, Schilens and JLH have what it takes. Its a valid position.
As for Raji. I trust the media and scouting reports that have Raji near the top of their big boards. He’s a highly rated player with all positions. Sure he has to show up and ready to play….so does any player drafted that high. THat’s what interviews and background checks are for.
Raji, contrary to what some thing, is a guy that requires double teams, plays the run real well and can penetrate. That defensive line desperately needs help and I would be willing to roll the dice.
If you think Jeremy Maclin/Michael Crabtree are risk free picks….please review my earlier post that showed all those top 10 receivers drafted since 1980. Each of them were thought of as the next great thing.
If risk is your biggest criteria, then they should go with Michael Oher.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
whats up nation, if crabtree is there i believe we should take him if not, raji
April 16th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Where do you guys think that Maclin would be “projected” if the Raiders weren’t drafting @ 7? Do you really believe that both he AND Crabtree would get as much attention if the Raiders didn’t have the 7th pick? I don’t. Rey would be considered a top 7 pick if Denver or San Diego had the Raiders pick, so why not take him? Defense is a much larger problem than WR IMO.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Howie Longs Flattop Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Bottom line with Raji is there’s no way to be sure if he benefited from Brace being there which made Raji look better than he is. Plus it’s a soft draft for DT’s, so I’d rather just have Brace in the 2nd.
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The scouting reports say Raji is the one that was the guy facing double teams. Also, there is a reason why Raji is a top 10 and Brace and company are 2nd, 3rd and 4th round picks.
Just like there is a reason Crabtree is top 10 and Percy Harvin or Kenny Britt is late 1st or 2nd round picks.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
# Lynn from Snot Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Lynn From Snot died Dec. 1998 with his dog in a car accident
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who was he??
April 16th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
I meant, is Snot short for a location?
April 16th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
1. rey
2. brace
would solve three problems
its just i dont see our team doing the right thing
April 16th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
It is pretty clear, and a source inside the Raider organization has confirmed this, that John Madden will be returning to the sideline as head coach of the Oakland Raiders. Current head coach Tom Cable will resume his responsibilities as Offensive Line coach. Stay tuned for more information.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Raider Nation 951 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Where do you guys think that Maclin would be “projected” if the Raiders weren’t drafting @ 7? Do you really believe that both he AND Crabtree would get as much attention if the Raiders didn’t have the 7th pick? I don’t. Rey would be considered a top 7 pick if Denver or San Diego had the Raiders pick, so why not take him? Defense is a much larger problem than WR IMO.
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Crabtree is the real deal and a top 10. Maclin? Maybe the Jags, but I think Maclin falls to the mid to late 1st round.
EVeryone is looking for Al Davis to lose his mind and reach anywhere from 10 to 35 spots for guys like Maclin, Heyward-Bey or DE Michael Johnson. If that were the case, why not just do a 1 for 1 swap with the Eagles and draft Maclin or Heyward-Bey and pay half the money.
If the Raiders reach at 7 then reach for Tyson Jackson, Robert Ayers, Rey Mauluga or Alex Mack. Not for some speedy receiver. They have those every year
April 16th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
picking an o tackle is the conservative approach But, the risk is picking this high you can’t swing and miss or it’s a huge set back in building the team. We have only 5 picks so no room for error.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
but raji would be the best pick, i think seattle is going for crabtree
April 16th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
LMN …… Lynn Strait was lead singer for the band Snot http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snot_(band)
April 16th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
The funny thing is that the Broncos — if they want Sanchez — would probably be the best trade partner for us. They have a ton of picks and we could probably have a shot to get at least one of Maclin, Maualuga, Oher or Raji at No. 12.
Having said that, I highly doubt we trade with Denver. Sanchez doesn’t really scare me, so I personally don’t mind helping Denver get him in the draft. But I don’t see the teams cooperating like that and Denver would probably rather trade with one of the other teams in the top 10 so as not to help out the Raiders.
Washington would make a great trade partner if they had any picks left in this year’s draft. They have a 1,3,5,6 & 7. If they traded the 1 & 3 for our 1 they would get Sanchez and not pick again until Round 5. The one way I could see this working is — knowing Daniel Snyder’s love of instant gratification — trade Washington our No. 7 pick for their No. 11 and their 1st-round pick in 2010. Then, we could either have a pair of 1st rounders in 2010 or possibly deal one of them for a 2nd-round pick this year.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
I need a vacation.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
In case you missed the BREAKING NEWS, here it is again:
It is pretty clear, and a source inside the Raider organization has confirmed this, that John Madden will be returning to the sideline as head coach of the Oakland Raiders. Current head coach Tom Cable will resume his responsibilities as Offensive Line coach. Stay tuned for more information.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
DMunoz 26 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
It is pretty clear, and a source inside the Raider organization has confirmed this, that John Madden will be returning to the sideline as head coach of the Oakland Raiders. Current head coach Tom Cable will resume his responsibilities as Offensive Line coach. Stay tuned for more information.
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Troll, does posting nonsense like that really get your rocks off? Really?
April 16th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
i like what snb was writing yesterday
1. raji
2. gilbert
i read up on brinkley he looks solid too, then we could move kirk to strong and howard to weak wear they belong
April 16th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Dmunoz #257
That’s never going to happen. Madden is too old and too rich to put in those kind of hours or deal with that type of stress. Besides, by doing that, he’d be going backwards. I see Madden’s role as that of AD’s trusted adviser. He be the parrot sitting on AD’s pirate shoulder whispering suggestions in his ear. And no, he won’t be picking up the drool rag. They are the best of friends.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Oher is no risk as RT. He isn’t a guaranteed LT but, he has the physical tools and the response to coaching that suggest he may well make a top LT.
Crabtree is the only WR who seems reasonable top 15 value. Maclin and Heywood-Bey are not so superior to the likes of Harvin, Iglesias, Britt and Robiskie to justify using the No7. The best value round for WRs has always been the 2nd.
I would be very happy with Oher and Iglesias.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
it wont happen, al will give him an analyst job or something if anything
April 16th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
The Broncos will draft for defense and see what Orton can do this season.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Howard is weak, no doubt about that.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
This is how I picture KoolKell looking:
http://www.daemonstv.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/nup_116909_0386.JPG
April 16th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Scottish Raider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Oher is no risk as RT. He isn’t a guaranteed LT but, he has the physical tools and the response to coaching that suggest he may well make a top LT.
Crabtree is the only WR who seems reasonable top 15 value. Maclin and Heywood-Bey are not so superior to the likes of Harvin, Iglesias, Britt and Robiskie to justify using the No7. The best value round for WRs has always been the 2nd.
I would be very happy with Oher and Iglesias.
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if we dont do something about our run defense they wont be on the field long enough to develope
April 16th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
So have we all decided who to draft yet?
Cable mentioned 4 positions that MUST be filled in order to succeed this year. I assume this means that these are positions which are currently lacking an obvious starter. I also assume that we will use the #1 pick for one of these positions. So we can assume that these positions are:
Left Tackle: Cable has alluded to competition at this spot, so therefore no defined starter.
Defensive End: We have Burgess in the last year of his contract and then 3 young scrubs in Scott, Gunheim and Richardson. Edwards who started for most of last year was cut.
Strong Safety: Previous Starter Gibril Wilson was cut, Uber Bust Michael Huff and youngster Tyvon Branch are in the wings, but neither is a clear-cut starter.
now the last position is tricky…
Fullback?: OO is no lock to make it back, Griffith is gone, Lawton is just aight.
Wide Reciever?: With Walker and 3 young talents, this appears to have no room for addition, but a #1 go-to guy is still needed.
Defensive Tackle?: With three high-paid returning starters, this seems like a solid position until you see our run-defense ranking
There is no Strong Safety in the Top 10, so I think the best guess would be Andre Smith, Michael Oher or Brian Orakpo.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Lynn,
I agree there is no room for error.
That is why drafting a WR makes me cringe, especially one that is identical to one already on the Roster.
These so called “draft experts” have been right about the draft less than 20% of the time. Who saw Ted Ginn Jr. going ahead of Brady Quinn 2 years ago……….noone.
Every one of them thinks that Al is going to blow his 1st round pick on a speedy WR, When was the last time Al blew a 1st round pick on a speedy WR? Tim Brown wasn’t a speedster in 1988 was he? (6th pick) How about Jesse Hester (23rd pick) in 1985?
Call me Crazy but Al doesn’t waste his first round picks on “speedy” WR’s. So why would he do it this year?
Hopefully, he wouldn’t.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
i like what snb was writing yesterday
1. raji
2. gilbert
i read up on brinkley he looks solid too, then we could move kirk to strong and howard to weak wear they belong
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Morrison stays at MLB. We’re good at DE.
Raji at 7. Then OT Meredith or Ludloadt in Round 2. best available SS in Round 3. best available OLB in Round 4. size/speed player at CB or WR for Al Davis in Round 7 (gotta keep the boss happy)
April 16th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
LFS…
THANX!! i have ween wondering about your moniker for sooooo long…
April 16th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
If anything Al should sell him a share of the team.
April 16th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
DMunoz 26 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
This is how I picture KoolKell looking:
http://www.daemonstv.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/nup_116909_0386.JPG
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So what?
April 16th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
see you guys tomorrow!
April 16th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
SnB:
I’ve read about how Raji was the one facing the doubles, but from the limited video I’ve seen it looks like the push that Brace gets frees up Raji too. Raji is rated higher it seems b/c of his physical characteristics. We need to get rid of Sands, pick Brace in the 2nd, and we’re an LDE away from a servicable D line.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
i like what snb was writing yesterday
1. raji
2. gilbert
i read up on brinkley he looks solid too, then we could move kirk to strong and howard to weak wear they belong
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Morrison stays at MLB. We’re good at DE.
Raji at 7. Then OT Meredith or Ludloadt in Round 2. best available SS in Round 3. best available OLB in Round 4. size/speed player at CB or WR for Al Davis in Round 7 (gotta keep the boss happy)
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besides scott and derrick we dont have any kind of pass-rush, and derrick is gone after this year, plus theres no garauntee he can be productive this year, gilbert and jay could man one side while scott and derrick the other, raji thrown in the mix at dt would help out greatly
April 16th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
There’s no judgment Kell, that’s just how I imagine you look. This is how I think La Milicia Negra probably looks:
http://www.dartmouthindependent.com/archives/gunther.angelshareorg.finaled.jpg
April 16th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
LMN……… Actually in a song system of a down did as a tribute called “star lit eyes” there is a audio clip of Lynn saying “do i have to get naked people for you to remember my name?, … it’s Lynn from Snot.”
April 16th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I like Brace too instead of taking Raji at 7 sometimes stats don’t tell everything.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
DMunoz 26 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
There’s no judgment Kell, that’s just how I imagine you look. This is how I think La Milicia Negra probably looks:
http://www.dartmouthindependent.com/archives/gunther.angelshareorg.finaled.jpg
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Who cares what you (Troll) thinks? You’re just a chump who’s trying to pass himself off as DMunoz26.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Howie Longs Flattop Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
SnB:
I’ve read about how Raji was the one facing the doubles, but from the limited video I’ve seen it looks like the push that Brace gets frees up Raji too. Raji is rated higher it seems b/c of his physical characteristics. We need to get rid of Sands, pick Brace in the 2nd, and we’re an LDE away from a servicable D line.
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i agree sands needs to go
a kelly, raji, warren, joseph rotation sounds alot better to me, then replace joseph and warren next year
April 16th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Kell, thanks for posting my links a second time. It saves me a lot of trouble. By the way, I’m not a troll. I am the real DMunoz 26.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
LFS..
LOL good stuff, one of my mates are a SOAD freak, I better tell him about you =) he would enjoy that I think =)
I personally only have one number with SOAD, its from the 2nd Black Sabbath tribute album (Nativity in Black) where they play a cover of ‘Snowblind’… I have nothing with SNOT
April 16th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
raji is a superior athlete to brace, not only can he stand up to the run and hold his ground, he can penatrate into the backfield causing havoc, while brace can do the prior he cant do the latter, thats what pus raji way ahead of any dt in this years draft
April 16th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
PETA
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals
***
LOL. doesn’t PETA protect Dirty Raccoons?
4evaRaider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
DirtyRaccoon Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
PETA
People
Eating
Tasty
Animals
Oh thats BAD
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Yep
April 16th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Sup NATION?
April 16th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
DMunoz, that is probably a very close representation of what Krappy looks like. With only 2 slight modifications:
1) Add 30 years
2) Fresh dump in pants
April 16th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
408 ..
not much..
April 16th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
People
Eating
Tasty
Activists
April 16th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
sup 408
April 16th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Kelly should be better since this his surgery has had time to heal.( I hope ) But the rotation on the D-line is very thin and with as many 3 and outs we had last year they were spent by the 3rd qtr. That’s why we need more picks to reinforce that line and we also need secondary depth
April 16th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
hmmm 408…
you have a weird impact on me… you make me hungry?! or rather here at midnight when you join im lways hungry… you give the munchies by proxy =) LOL
April 16th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
LMN
I still gotta read thru all the comments but I saw the guys giving U the business earlier
April 16th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
DMunoz 26 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Kell, thanks for posting my links a second time. It saves me a lot of trouble. By the way, I’m not a troll. I am the real DMunoz 26.
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You’re a friggin troll P.O.S. Your posts are all the proof we need.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
http://www.crabtreezone.com/
April 16th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Lynn from Snot Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Kelly should be better since this his surgery has had time to heal.( I hope ) But the rotation on the D-line is very thin and with as many 3 and outs we had last year they were spent by the 3rd qtr. That’s why we need more picks to reinforce that line and we also need secondary depth
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your right, thats why i think we should pick raji, that would put sands in a limited role where he belongs, and what we need in the secondary is a true ss, we also need a will and another de for that rotation, jay, derrick, and trevor just isnt enough
April 16th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
I keep changing my Mock Draft:
1- DT Raji
2- OT Jamon Meredith
3- Bruton/ Vaughn
4- DE/ DT Clinton McD/ DT Sammie lee/ DT D Scott/ DT T Taylor
7- OLB Russell Allen SDSU/ Ty Sales OLB Penn.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
gilbert would be a great addition, he and jay could man one side while trevor and derrick the other
April 16th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
LMN, is that a fair representation of you?
April 16th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Will Barden last until the 3rd?
April 16th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Or
1- A Smith
2- Brace
3-7- same
Which do you like better?
April 16th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
7. Oakland Raiders: Michael Crabtree, WR, TTU
The Raiders take a very good WR here who could be a great play maker for Russell. Maclin is a little more of a raw talent but he has the potential to be a big impact.
This would not be bad at all. I would rather have a big time OT though.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Raider O Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
I keep changing my Mock Draft:
1- DT Raji
2- OT Jamon Meredith
3- Bruton/ Vaughn
4- DE/ DT Clinton McD/ DT Sammie lee/ DT D Scott/ DT T Taylor
7- OLB Russell Allen SDSU/ Ty Sales OLB Penn.
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pretty good what about
1.raji
2.gilbert de
3.chris clemmons ss
4. jason williams olb
7. best available wr
April 16th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
408…
yeah idiots.. though RN951 was totally right, he exactly explained how/why the pirates boat was ruined, and why they ended in a rescue boat from the Alabama…
funny how the others want act clever on something they have no chance to do so…
same as when BSJ argued with me about the cargo and the destination of the cargo and the ship…. the fool said the cargo was going where the ship was going… hmmmm so if i send something to St paul, does that mean the ship goes all the way up Mississippi ?? or would the recipient in St Paul have to go down to Miami Dade port? I have the goddamn manifest on my PC, something the press are not allowed to get… btw the ship was going to Kenya, and I said the Cargo was going to Uganda and Somalia… *sigh*
April 16th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Draft is pretty deep with WR’s this year and seeing how they don’t have a real history of producing the first season anyway I think we wait a bit to select one. Maybe the 2nd probobly the third round before we pull the trigger. Still good value there. See who falls.
Call me crazy but I think Curry may fall to us and we may surprise everyone by taking him. he is too good to pass up at 7. Then we go Brace with the 2nd. Get super strong up the gut and against the run with those two picks. Curry can blitz too.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
DirtyRaccoon Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
7. Oakland Raiders: Michael Crabtree, WR, TTU
The Raiders take a very good WR here who could be a great play maker for Russell. Maclin is a little more of a raw talent but he has the potential to be a big impact.
This would not be bad at all. I would rather have a big time OT though.
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seahawks look like they are giong to grab him
April 16th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Just chillin 87….
April 16th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
I like Ramses Barden too.
We need more picks.
I want to add Ramses Barden and M Johnson.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
This is probably Brien and Beeecham:
http://www.chattooine.com/Costuming_TardEelem_pic.jpg
April 16th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
# DMunoz 26 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
LMN, is that a fair representation of you?
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Bwhahahahha, man he looks coool, LOL, well let me say this i have 1mm hair on my head… but thanks man =)
April 16th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Barden would be an imposing threat in the red Zone if russell could lear to throw the alley oop.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
yo LMN Im making Chili Verde…. MMMMMMMMMMMMM….
April 16th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
1-Smith
2-Brace
3-Barden
April 16th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
DMunoz 26 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
This is probably Brien and Beeecham:
http://www.chattooine.com/Costuming_TardEelem_pic.jpg
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Troll, do you fondle yourself in heated glee after posting your nonsense?
April 16th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
87,
I like it. That was one of my 1st mocks.
If you can, go to YouTube and look up the Draft Guys clip on Clinton McD. Let me know what you think.
IMO, he can be a poor man’s Jarron Gilbert.
He is 6′2.5 285, 38″ vertical, 36 reps on the bench, and ran a 4.8.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Kell….
I believe the z_26 is the troll and this one the real deal, I might be wrong though!?
April 16th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
I’m fondling myself right now KoolKell.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
1. Stafford
2. J. Smith
3. A. Curry
4. E. Monroe
5. M. Crabtree
6. A. Smith
Now its heartattack time for Raider Fans around the globe……..
Worst case: Draft Higgins 2.0 (Maclin)
Bad idea: Draft a DE
o.k. idea: Draft Raji
Better idea: Draft Maualuga
Best Idea: Trade down to allow a team to get Sanchez
April 16th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
408…
MMmmmmmm chili…. i know of con carne, but not verde… share the recipe!
April 16th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
In the event of a trade down for two late 1st rounders. As unlikely a trade down will happen. Here is my “Defense First” wish:
Phil #1: Rey Mauluga, MLB, USC
Philly #2: Ron Brace, DT, BC
2nd round: Jarron Gilbert, DE, SJSU
3rd Round: Troy Kropog, OT, Tulane
4th Round: David Burton, S, Notre Dame
April 16th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
1- Smith
2- Brace
3- Barden
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I like this one too.
As long as we add a DT/ DE/ S, I will be happy.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
# La Milicia Negra Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
408…
yeah idiots.. though RN951 was totally right, he exactly explained how/why the pirates boat was ruined, and why they ended in a rescue boat from the Alabama…
funny how the others want act clever on something they have no chance to do so…
same as when BSJ argued with me about the cargo and the destination of the cargo and the ship…. the fool said the cargo was going where the ship was going… hmmmm so if i send something to St paul, does that mean the ship goes all the way up Mississippi ?? or would the recipient in St Paul have to go down to Miami Dade port? I have the goddamn manifest on my PC, something the press are not allowed to get… btw the ship was going to Kenya, and I said the Cargo was going to Uganda and Somalia… *sigh*
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I try not to speak on things I dont know about unless IM asking questions…
all I can say is ufck them pirates … USA USA USA!!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
LMN
DMunoz 26 is the Troll
DMunoz26 is the real one.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
hmm I better go make myself a club sandwich!
April 16th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
1) Rey Maualuga, MLB, USC
2) Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
3) Paul Kruger, DE, Utah
4) Zach Follet, OLB, California
7) Tiquan Underwood, WR, Rutgers
– Trading back in the 1st would be great, especially if we can still get Maualuga.
– Sign Roy Williams to play safety.
– Look to deal Fargas, Huff and Burgess for mid-round picks. Trade Andrew Walter for anything you can get.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Krappy, that was actually pretty funny.
Although your idea of heated glee is taking a dump in your pants, so I’m not sure we can compare the two.
But funny either way. Good work, ol Krappy.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
408..
damn straight, USN was totally cool in this situation!
April 16th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
LMN
http://www.elise.com/recipes/archives/006115chile_verde.php
April 16th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Kell..
Ohhh, LOL, well I knew one of them were a troll, I only missed with 50% margin LOL
April 16th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
The best way to identify a troll is, they never talk football.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
# KoolKell Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
LMN
DMunoz 26 is the Troll
DMunoz26 is the real one.
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thanks KK I thought he was dude..
April 16th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
How can I be a troll when DMunoz26 doesn’t even exist anymore. Has he posted lately?
April 16th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
SnB
Rey, Rey!!!
I thought we agreed Kirk wasn’t the problem, and we need a better D line!!!
Rey.!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Any mock drafter who had Jeremy Maclin at No. 7: Time for an update.
Maclin ran just a 4.45. Per Al Davis, Maclin is no longer a great player.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Raider O Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
87,
I like it. That was one of my 1st mocks.
If you can, go to YouTube and look up the Draft Guys clip on Clinton McD. Let me know what you think.
IMO, he can be a poor man’s Jarron Gilbert.
He is 6′2.5 285, 38″ vertical, 36 reps on the bench, and ran a 4.8.
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he looks pretty good, i would still go with jurron though, if hes gone maybe your boy in the 3rd?
April 16th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Did we already talk about Madden comming back?? I think It would be awesome he could do Run Run’s old job.. I think Madden in any capacity is good 4 the NATION…
April 16th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Beeech,
Krappy Kell, dump in pants, blah, blah, blah.
Beech, you have my permission to come up with something more entertaining, at my expense, ok?
April 16th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
LMN
DMunoz 26 is the Troll
DMunoz26 is the real one
This is true
April 16th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Height: 6-2. Weight: 210.
Projected 40 Time: 4.33.
Combine 40 Time: 4.30.
Vertical: 38.5. Broad: 10-6.
Projected Round (2009): 1-2.
2/23/09: Darrius Heyward-Bey is a great player. Well, at least in Al Davis’ eyes. DHB won’t make it past Oakland in Round 2, thanks to a 4.30 40.
Get Crabtree, and if DHB is still there in the 2nd, and no std OL is left, draft him too.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
No problem 408
April 16th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Yo Beech, you got schooled by KoolKell. LOL
April 16th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
KoolKell crapping his pants is pretty damn funny though
April 16th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Id rather have DHB than crabtree….
April 16th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Add Madden to the Radio broadcast team, and have him take over PR from the moron.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Brian Robiskie, Ohio State – Scouting Report
Height: 6-3. Weight: 209.
Projected 40 Time: 4.48.
Combine 40 Time: 4.49.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.52.
Vertical: 37.5. Broad: .
Projected Round (2009): 2.
1/4/09: Brian Robiskie’s numbers faded with a rookie quarterback under center. He finished with 37 receptions, 419 yards and eight scores.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Raider O Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
SnB
Rey, Rey!!!
I thought we agreed Kirk wasn’t the problem, and we need a better D line!!!
Rey.!!!
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kirks not the problem per say, but i think our defense would be tougher with a bigger and harder hitting mlb, kirk at sam would be great for us, i think he could help stack the edge alot better that any olb we got, he can cover extremly well, and blitz him and howard from the outside once in a while, but this all depends on if we shore up our dt’s
April 16th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
SnB
If we trade with the Eagles:
1- Oher/ Ayers/ DHB
1- M Johnson/ Brace
2- Ramses B/ Meredith
3- Bruton/ Vaughn
4- Clinton McD
7- Russell Allen/ Ty Sales
April 16th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
I’m out. Anyone posting under DMunoz is a troll.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
I think we should draft the meanest nastiest Linemen I dont really care if its Oline or Dline as long as they are mean and “dominate” their opponent…
April 16th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Alex Mack, California
Height: 6-4. Weight: 307.
Projected 40 Time: 5.13.
Combine 40 Time: DNP.
Pro Day 40 Time: 5.17.
Benchx225: 20. Arm: 33.
Projected Round (2009): 1.
1/8/09: Still on top and still a first-round prospect. Alex Mack was an AP All-America third-teamer.
11/2/08: Alex Mack continues his dominance on the field and atop these rankings. It’s hard to imagine that he’ll make it past the Cardinals, Steelers and Bills in the first round.
5/26/08: Alex Mack nearly left for the NFL a year early. That’s not surprising, as the unanimous All-Pac-10 first-teamer is the best center prospect in a long time.
2007: Alex Mack started every game in 2006, earning a spot on the All Pac-10 first team.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
DM26
I’m out. Anyone posting under DMunoz is a troll.
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you dont have to say that any more…
April 16th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Scottish Raider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Looks like Andre Smith won’t get past the Bengals. The top 6 are looking like Stafford, Jason Smith, Curry, Monroe, Crabtree and Andre Smith.
That leaves us with a choice of Maclin, Heyward-Bey, Orakpo, Raji and Oher.
Maclin is not a great possession receiver – he is brilliant after the catch (like Boldin) but we need a go-to guy. Heyward-Bey is a project and terrible value at No7. Orakpo is a tweener, sorry hybrid, and could well be another Gholston. Raji is okay but he played on a great college D-line and we already have so much money invested in DTs.
Which leaves Oher. No7 is a bit of a reach but, OT is the safest pick and this kid has the tools and still has an upside. With Andre Smith gone, we must take the last of the top 4 OTs.
At No7, the Oakland Raiders draft Michael Oher.
^^^^^^
It doesn’t make sense for Seattle to go for Crabtree at #4 when they need O-Line, RB and LB help.
Cleveland going after Crabtree just doesn’t fit the Manginis MO….they need Defensive help badly and they also need an explosive RB.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Height: 6-5. Weight: 309.
Projected 40 Time: 5.19.
Combine 40 Time: 5.32.
Pro Day 40 Time: 5.16.
Benchx225: 23. Arm: 33 1/2.
Projected Round (2009): Top 6-16 Pick.
3/29/09: promised us a great 40 time, and he finally came through at his Pro Day, running a 5.16. It’s hard to imagine him falling into the bottom half of Round 1.
***** Who is this????
April 16th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Madden just hanging around the facility a couple times a week, would be such a good mentor for Cable.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Add Madden to the Radio broadcast team, and have him take over PR from the moron.
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that would rock but wont happen maybe the pr thing… Madden has to be in the building some how…
April 16th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
408…
thanks its bookmarked for another day =)
SNB and KoolKell, its noted! thanks for the correction!
April 16th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Hey Nation-
Ya know, if O’Neal ain’t healthy we’ll be short at FB, and I’d rather see Bush stay at HB ’cause he’s got huge upside and we ain’t paying him much. But the biggest need we got right now is a run stuffing beast of a DT. Patterson makes a good case for it at: http://www.examiner.com/x-514-Oakland-Raiders-Examiner~y2009m4d15-Beyond-the-smokescreens-Why-the-Oakland-Raiders-need-to-go-defensive-line
April 16th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
for all u wr in the 7th spot fans, scouting reports have robiskie as the most polished route-runner in this years draft, that is the skill that will help a wr translate more to the league than any other
April 16th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
KK
exactly! plus the players would have to step it up if madden was in the fold…
April 16th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
I rather have Robiskie in 2nd than wasting a 1st on the other speed-freaks!
April 16th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
B.J. Raji, Boston College
Height: 6-1. Weight: 337.
Projected 40 Time: 5.12.
Combine 40 Time: 5.13.
Benchx225: 33. Vertical: .
Projected Round (2009): Top 12 Pick.
2/24/09: Though he projected himself to run a 5.06, B.J. Raji ran a more realistic 5.13. That’s still an impressive 40. Raji won’t make it past the Broncos if he somehow falls to them. He’ll likely be off the board at No. 9.
1/21/09: With the exception of Alex Mack, B.J. Raji has dominated everyone at the Senior Bowl.
1/21/09: With the exception of Alex Mack, B.J. Raji has dominated everyone at the Senior Bowl.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
1.raji
2.robiskie
3.best available 4-3 stack de
4.ss
7.whatever
April 16th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
I rather have Robiskie in 2nd than wasting a 1st on the other speed-freaks!
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man, thats what im talking about!
April 16th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
MACK in the second!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
87
If we passed on Jarrin Gilbert, then we can get Clinton in the 4th. He will be there. He is a tweener DT/DE, so he will be there in the 4th. I think. lol
I see your point about Rey, I’m a USC, the OSU, and SDSU fan. I know Rey is great, I watched him play, but I think we have bigger needs than LBs.
Our Needs are: NT, DE, SS, WR, and OT. In that order. IMHO.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
I can’t believe Collinsworth is the guy taking over for Madden. I don’t know who else is better and that shows the lack of quality commentators but I just don’t like the way he sounds. I can’t listen to him on TV and he had to end up on the Madden video games to ruin that too. He sounds like a goofball.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
I wouldn’t take maclin @ 7 unless he came with Rey Maualuga.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Jorvorskie Lane, Texas A&M
Height: 6-0. Weight: 285.
Projected 40 Time: 4.76.
Projected Round (2009): 7-FA.
1/5/09: Should have declared last year when he was a fourth-round prospect and a coaching change was made. No surprise that Mike Sherman didn’t know how to utilize Jorvorskie Lane; Lane rushed for 93 yards and five touchdowns on just 35 carries.
5/26/08: Jorvorskie Lane continued to add to his rushing touchdown total, notching 16 in 2007. He had 780 yards on 169 carries, a 4.6 average.
2007: A two-ton truck with legs, Jorvorskie Lane is actually 30 pounds heavier than Jerome Bettis was. Scored 19 rushing touchdowns in 2006.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
The Lions signed Ronald Curry (WR) for all who didn’t know.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
# 408RAIDER Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
KK
exactly! plus the players would have to step it up if madden was in the fold…
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this isnt high school, they should step up with out us realing in an icon…
April 16th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Raji is the pick at 7,…only way he isnt is if hes gone before our time to choose,..if hes available, he will be taken. Period,…Im never wrong.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Raider O Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
SnB
Rey, Rey!!!
I thought we agreed Kirk wasn’t the problem, and we need a better D line!!!
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If the Raiders were to trade down, I think Rey Mauluga would be an upgrade to Morrison and Morrison an upgrade to Ricky Brown. I always say take the best player available. If the Raiders are drafting at 18 or so, the best defensive player would be Rey. Then grab Brace with the other 2nd and Gilbert at number 40.
Morrison is not the root cause of this mess on defense. But an upgrade is an upgrade.
Regardless, I don’t think there will be a trade anyway. The Raiders draft, barring no trade go:
1. B.J Raji, DT
2. Jarron Gilbert, DE
3. Jasper Brinkley, MLB
4. David Burton, S
7, Johnny Knox, WR because of his doggone 40x
April 16th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Chris Wells, Ohio State – Scouting Report
Height: 6-1. Weight: 239.
Projected 40 Time: 4.40.
Combine 40 Time: 4.46.
Pro Day 40 Time: 4.42.
Benchx225: 29. Vertical: 34.5. Broad: 10-8.
Projected Round (2009): Top 20 Pick.
2/23/09: Chris Wells somehow ran faster than Knowshon Moreno despite being 20 pounds heavier. Though some thought Wells could run a low 4.4, a 4.46 doesn’t really hurt Wells’ stock.
1/3/09: Despite playing just nine games, Chris Wells finished with 1,091 rushing yards and eight touchdowns. He caught just seven passes, however.
10/18/08: Chris Wells hasn’t played as much as Ohio State fans would like this year, but he’s still the projected No. 1 running back to go in the 2009 NFL Draft, slightly edging out Knowshon Moreno. Hey, when inept GMs and scouts watch Wells run a 4.4 at 235 pounds at the combine, they’re going to crap their pants.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
None of the “top” WR’s are any better prepared for playing in the NFL than the guys already on the Roster.
Russell averaged less than 25 pass attempts a game. A WR isn’t going to make that much of a deference.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Norco Bob Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Raji is the pick at 7,…only way he isnt is if hes gone before our time to choose,..if hes available, he will be taken. Period,…Im never wrong.
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You have posted something I agree with.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
I LOVE TALKING ABOUT THE DRAFT.
Just 10 more Days Boys. I can’t wait. lol
April 16th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Raider O Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
87
If we passed on Jarrin Gilbert, then we can get Clinton in the 4th. He will be there. He is a tweener DT/DE, so he will be there in the 4th. I think. lol
I see your point about Rey, I’m a USC, the OSU, and SDSU fan. I know Rey is great, I watched him play, but I think we have bigger needs than LBs.
Our Needs are: NT, DE, SS, WR, and OT. In that order. IMHO.
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whos going to play strongside lb for us, rick brown? hes a joke, isiah, yeah right, i think we need a lb, either a mlb and move kirk over, or a slb in the draft before a ot, i think barnes is good at left, and pears henderson wilson and the rest of them can battle it out in camp for the right
April 16th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
As long as a guy is hard-working, polished “route-runner” is one of the least important skills a WR can have for the long-term. Granted it might help the transition as a rookie, but Marvin Harrison didn’t learn to be one of the best route-runners at Syracuse, it’s a skill he developed in the pro’s.
Hands, work-ethic, and run after the catch skills are things that really can’t be taught. That’s why Crabs is the consensus top receiver.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
LMN,
You’re right, this ain’t high school, but after the last six years I’ll take anything that could give us an edge. If Madden helps, great. If swinging a dead chicken around the locker room helps, get Zacky Farms on speed dial, ya know?
April 16th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
RaiderNation951 – Unless his name is Anquan Boldin.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Sorry, 9 more days.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
# 408RAIDER Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
KK
exactly! plus the players would have to step it up if madden was in the fold…
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this isnt high school, they should step up with out us realing in an icon…
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Inspiration don’t hurt nobody. That’s why they display those 3 Super Bowl Trophies in the Hallway.
He’d be a great PR asset as well. But what a great source of info for Tom Cable. 2 fat ex-offensive linemen who coached the Raiders.
April 16th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
As long as a guy is hard-working, polished “route-runner” is one of the least important skills a WR can have for the long-term. Granted it might help the transition as a rookie, but Marvin Harrison didn’t learn to be one of the best route-runners at Syracuse, it’s a skill he developed in the pro’s.
Hands, work-ethic, and run after the catch skills are things that really can’t be taught. That’s why Crabs is the consensus top receiver.
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your right , i wasnt saying those things didnt matter or hes the best receiver i think my point was is that he would be a good value in the second and our first pick should help our run d somehow someway
April 16th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
if crabtree is there vegas i think we should take him, but i think seattle is going to
April 16th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
[...] Raiders Blog: Madden now available to Raiders [...]
April 16th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
SnB,
The Eagles have the 21st and 28th picks in the 1st Round.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Robiskie = great value in 2nd at #40. Do like his genes, and Ohio State has produced some good WR’s of late.
I have always said our first two rounds has to be WR and D-line in some order: Crabs/Brace or Raji/Robiskie or Brown/Nicks….you get the point.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
408: you going to the tank tonight
April 16th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Wouldn’t it be nice for him to come in and even if he can’t help with the personel at least inspire?
April 16th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
MEAN Linemen!
So MEAN, that they would run over their own momma, if she was on the other side of the line.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
i dont think we should trade with the eagles, the players we deperatly need will be gone, such as rey tyson and of course raji and crabtree
April 16th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
# La Milicia Negra Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
# 408RAIDER Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
KK
exactly! plus the players would have to step it up if madden was in the fold…
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this isnt high school, they should step up with out us realing in an icon…
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It is what it is Bro… you tryin 2 harsh my buzzz????
April 16th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
# 17 Bob Trey O Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
LMN,
You’re right, this ain’t high school, but after the last six years I’ll take anything that could give us an edge. If Madden helps, great. If swinging a dead chicken around the locker room helps, get Zacky Farms on speed dial, ya know?
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absolutely, we need all the help we can get, it just shouldt be like that… that said, I dont think Madden will spend much time in Alameda, I really think he is retiring, not just fom TV, but totally… Like bill walsh did, come now and then to see how things are, but mostly for his own sake and as to treat some nostalgia…
April 16th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Robiskie = great value in 2nd at #40. Do like his genes, and Ohio State has produced some good WR’s of late.
I have always said our first two rounds has to be WR and D-line in some order: Crabs/Brace or Raji/Robiskie or Brown/Nicks….you get the point.
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i definitley feel the same way about our first two picks
April 16th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
r8rpaver
I wish… Im growing my playoff beard tho….
April 16th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
if crabtree is there vegas i think we should take him, but i think seattle is going to
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We have negleted the WR position for too long with mid-round picks and floundering vets. That’s why the were so historically bad last year. Crabs at #7, and fix the D with the rest of the picks, with maybe a FB in the 6th or 7th round (Frank Summers).
April 16th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
four ought eight
April 16th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
87,
I’m not saying LB is not a need, butim saying it’s not as important as the others I listed. Except OT. We dont have a SS on the Roster, we have 4 FSs. We need a NT, we don’t have one ( pls don’t say Sands ). At DE we gave Burgess, Scott, and Jay!!!!!!!
Do you see my point, and you don’t have to agree?
April 16th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
# 909RaiderLifer Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
MEAN Linemen!
So MEAN, that they would run over their own momma, if she was on the other side of the line.
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I like the wey you’re thinking Bro…
April 16th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
408..408…408…408..408
April 16th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
raidersince87 ,
WHERE`S MACLIN.THE SECOND BEST WR IN THE DRAFT IS COMPLETELY OF YOUR BOARD.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
408
April 16th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
come on mod!!! 408..408…408…408..408…
April 16th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Four OHH-Eight!
April 16th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
87,
Now at LB: we have Kirk and Thomas H, and both can be PBs in the right scheme.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Hell yeah thanx 4eva!!!
U to 909
April 16th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Ufck the Ducks!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
da NADA!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
#240
The fact of the matter is Ron Wolf was the Chief Scout of the Raiders from 1966-1975 and from 1978-1990. He found all those Hall of Famers we drafted in the late rounds, by riding the Trains & Busses all over this country.
While Al Davis was filing Lawsuits and erecting his own legend.
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My gawd, you just made Maddenpu$$y the 2nd biggest dumba$$ on this board.
Let’s break down your stupidity shall we?
“The fact of the matter is Ron Wolf was the Chief Scout of the Raiders from 1966-1975 and from 1978-1990.”
No sh!t sherlock.
“He found all those Hall of Famers we drafted in the late rounds, by riding the Trains & Busses all over this country.”
LMAO! So they didn’t have airplanes back then?! And what effing hall of famers were drafted in the later rounds by the Raiders. The LATEST that a Raider HOF-er has been drafted is the 3rd round(Art Shell). Now we have a buttload of guys that are getting snubs. I think we can all agree that Snake, Lester, Flores, Guy & Branch are the biggest ones. Guy was a 1st round pick, Snake was a 2nd rounder(taken at the insistence of Wolf), Branch was in the 4th(BTW moron, in the same article I mentioned above, Wolf states that Al took Branch), Lester, IMO the biggest snub of all, was taken when Ron Wolf wasn’t effing here. So what the hell are you talking about?
“While Al Davis was filing Lawsuits and erecting his own legend.”
There were no lawsuits in Wolf’s first tenure here gimp. In his 2nd tenure the only lawsuit was when Al filed an anti-trust lawsuit after a court-injunction was brought on him to stop him from moving. Of course, that same year we won the lawsuit, Al took Marcus Allen. Heavily distracted wasn’t he?
Nice try meathead.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
4eva,
See what you did? lol
April 16th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Raider O Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
87,
I’m not saying LB is not a need, butim saying it’s not as important as the others I listed. Except OT. We dont have a SS on the Roster, we have 4 FSs. We need a NT, we don’t have one ( pls don’t say Sands ). At DE we gave Burgess, Scott, and Jay!!!!!!!
Do you see my point, and you don’t have to agree?
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jay still hasnt showed he can stack the run he needs help, i do believe we need to draft a ss, but we desperatly need someone to manage the slb spot, it was a glaring weakness along with the d-line, both pass-rushing and stopping the run, to let that position keep being played by a bunch of special teamers
April 16th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Not a good time to be from Tracy is it these days. Man, that service today was at the High School I graduated from. YIKES!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Kell..
true, but those trophys has already been showed to them, I honestly think its weak to look back to prove something, the more you look back the more predictable and the less you adapt…
If i was a Rookie and 2nd/3rd year vet, I couldnt care less how good the team im on were 10 years ago, I would only care about how bad or how good my team was at the moment, thats what counts, you cant win a SB by showing trophys or showing icons… and thats for me the entire thing thats wrong with the raiders, too much focus on the past, and no or very little focus on the future….
That said, if we could convince Madden just to be a scout wit California responsibility it would be very great!
April 16th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
and by the way, i cant stand sands either ,lol
April 16th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
LMN always has my back on the 408!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
29 you know ive put up numbers on maclin before, i do like him, its just if crabtree is gone by #7, maclin or raji, that would be a hard decision, i think raji would be a better value though, not by much
April 16th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
408 fighting in the wings game all ready go SHARKS
April 16th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
♫ I have been guilty of kicking myself in the teeth ♫
April 16th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
408RAIDER Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Ufck the Ducks!!!
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im from anaheim GO DUCKS!!! lol
April 16th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
vagas : I live 3 blocks from there
April 16th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
hmmm I think i will go brush my teeth and start looking for my bed, I know its here somewhere =)
April 16th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
87,
I agree, we are saying the same thing.
Let me put this way:
I think the Raisers need a NT and DE to help the 31st ranked Defense, and the DE should also help us by rushing the passed. Jay’s best season, he had 3.
So far we agree.
Now, here is where I think we disagree.
I’m saying : draft an OLB in later TDs, and let’s fix the D line, and see what happens with Kirk. If he improves great, if not we can draft one next year.
I think he will improve a lot, and maybe even make the PB.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Raider O Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
4eva,
See what you did? lol
I did something??? Damn right I did.
Ummm what did I do???
April 16th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
r8rpaver Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
408 fighting in the wings game all ready go SHARKS
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thats how ducks won the cup, outmuscled everyone for it
April 16th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
your lucky your a RAIDERS fan or IIDDDDDDDDD
April 16th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Rasers: Raiders, sorry,
I’ll put the Bong down, but nooo.
It’s 420.
Happy 420 people.
This one is for you 87……..
April 16th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Raider O Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
87,
I agree, we are saying the same thing.
Let me put this way:
I think the Raisers need a NT and DE to help the 31st ranked Defense, and the DE should also help us by rushing the passed. Jay’s best season, he had 3.
So far we agree.
Now, here is where I think we disagree.
I’m saying : draft an OLB in later TDs, and let’s fix the D line, and see what happens with Kirk. If he improves great, if not we can draft one next year.
I think he will improve a lot, and maybe even make the PB.
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yeah i could live with that, but tell me who think should play the strongside, and dont say howard, his athleticism is best suited for the will position
April 16th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
You too 4eva. Put the Bong down.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Let’s try to get Braylon Ochocinco or Boldin instead of Crabs who played against 5′10 db’s. Another move that makes us immediate contenders is trade back for Rey and all his nastiness along w/ Brace or Moala with 2nd pick so we can stop the run. Raji with first pick is also a good pick. Starting NT and LB are musts. 1# WR would make us scary in addition to NT and LB. S not as important as the other needs. We gotta hope that Pears can hold down the RT spot and Burgess/Richardson/Scott can do it at DE
April 16th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
lol
April 16th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
not yet~~~
April 16th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
r8rpaver Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
vagas : I live 3 blocks from there
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Used to live on Holly and Kavanaugh, spent a few years before that in Lammersville area. Needless to say I left there when I graduated in ‘98, and never looked back.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
r8rpaver
Word.. GO SHARKS & FREE DIRTY!!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
r8 i think san jose has a shot this year, but if they have to go 7 with the ducks, lol, its over
April 16th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
87,
We should draft one in later rounds. 3rd to 7th. I know we had J Williams and Z Follett. Both ate projected to go between 3rd and 4th RDs.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
# raidersince87 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
408RAIDER Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Ufck the Ducks!!!
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im from anaheim GO DUCKS!!! lol
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Sux 2 be you brethren!!!
Sharks will own the ducks…
April 16th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
4eva,
lol
April 16th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
i think our de’s need help burgess and scott can rush the passer, but richardson needs help, or replaced, he has a hard time just stacking the run
April 16th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
We have so many holes guys, as long as the guy isn’t a bust, it really doesn’t matter. WR, C, DT, DE, LB , S, OT all need to be filled by LEGIT NFL PLAYERS, not the Turdell Sands, Sam Williams, Ashley Lelie and Cornell Green’s of the world (to name a few).
Out for the day, cheers.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Raider O Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
87,
We should draft one in later rounds. 3rd to 7th. I know we had J Williams and Z Follett. Both ate projected to go between 3rd and 4th RDs.
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i like williams, if we can get him and a ss in the later rounds id be cool with that
April 16th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
vegas : 11th and alden glen… cant wait to leave…back to escalon
April 16th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Later Vegas.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Night all, take care… in 7 hours my shift starts, and i will have to watch the strait of Malacca very closely tomorrow… *Yawn*… well, behave boys =) LOL, Night!
April 16th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
408RAIDER Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
# raidersince87 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
408RAIDER Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Ufck the Ducks!!!
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im from anaheim GO DUCKS!!! lol
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Sux 2 be you brethren!!! Sharks will own the ducks…
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unless it sucks to be a champion
i know u guys arnt talking to me, who has the most recent cup, gotcha, nuff said, lol
April 16th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
nitey-nite LMN =)
April 16th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Hey I’m all for having Madden around in any capacity. At 73 he’s got to have more energy and verve than Al who is what slightly younger than Methuselah?A little old school Raider football thrown in as a mentor or wise old man to Cable might actually work.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Call me Crazy, but this is what I think:
TK is a good UT with potential to be a PB, nut we need a NT to demand double teams.
We also need a NT to hold the line and allow our DEs to set the edges, and free our LBs to make plays.
Jay is a great backup, but he is not a starter.
We need a Base End to help with the run, and is able to rush the passer.
We have Scott who led all rookies in Sacks. He needs to play more.
That’s what I think about our Defense.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
I use to play ice hockey, when I was a young man. Lots of fun..
April 16th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Raider O Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Call me Crazy, but this is what I think:
TK is a good UT with potential to be a PB, nut we need a NT to demand double teams.
We also need a NT to hold the line and allow our DEs to set the edges, and free our LBs to make plays.
Jay is a great backup, but he is not a starter.
We need a Base End to help with the run, and is able to rush the passer.
We have Scott who led all rookies in Sacks. He needs to play more.
That’s what I think about our Defense.
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your right, but unless we go dt and de in the first two rounds i dont see how we can fix the problem of the d-line
April 16th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
I will never say L.a sorry
April 16th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
” There was no time for golf. There was no time for family and kids. There was only time for one thing, Raider football.”–Al Davis at Madden’s HOF.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
87
Its all good my GP was from La Puente be 4 he upgraded to simi vally.. GP was a Rams fan until he saw the light and came to the NATION… Good luck with ur ducks….
April 16th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
GP= grandpa…
April 16th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
We need Raji, Brace, Sammie Lee, D Scott, or T Taylor between the 1st and 4th.
We also need: Orakpo, Ayers, M Johnson, Jarron Gilbert, or Clinton McD.
If we get 2 players DE/ DT from the list above, I would be very happy.
April 16th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
# r8rpaver Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
I will never say L.a sorry
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never did never will….
April 16th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Raider O Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
We need Raji, Brace, Sammie Lee, D Scott, or T Taylor between the 1st and 4th.
We also need: Orakpo, Ayers, M Johnson, Jarron Gilbert, or Clinton McD.
If we get 2 players DE/ DT from the list above, I would be very happy.
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as long as we dont draft another undersized de who cant hold the edge
April 16th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
sup O??
did Thec ever show up???
April 16th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Also,
SS: Moore, Chung, Bruton, Vaughn, Michael Mitchell from Nevada, or any of the Clemson Ss.
OLB: J Williams, Z Follett, Russell Allen SDSU, or TY Dales from Penn. The produce good LBs at Penn. He was also projected to be a 1st day Talent, but he has a lot of the field issues. I will risk a 7th on him. lol
WR: Maclin/ Crab, DHB, H Nicks, Robiskie, Ramses B, and Marko Mithchell from Nevada
April 16th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
408,
Not much bro. No he hasn’t, and I’ve been here a lot lately.
What’s up with him?
April 16th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
O
he says hes busy with work and got tired of all the trolls… & weirdos…
April 16th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
87,
What do you think of the players and positions above?
Five players, five different positions, and five draft picks.
Why am I not working for the Raiders and Al??
April 16th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Vegas you graduated from High School in 1998???????
April 16th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
408,
Tell him it’s different now.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
because u and al would bump heads because of your common sense, lol
April 16th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
408,
Tell him I miss him, and others hereiss him too.
COME BACK THEC. I want to go to the SD/ Raiders game in SD with you.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
i like clemmons from clemson, chung would be nice too, im not sold on DHB, he could end up being another troy williamson, raiders need to get off this 40 time thing and draft some guys who can play good football
April 16th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
The ONLY WR that is worth the #7 pick is Crabtree….otherwise the old man and coach cable need to trade down and look to get Ayers, Oher, or Raji when they TRADE DOWN and get more picks.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
crabtree is going to be the pick, but if hes not there raji is the choice
April 16th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Robert Ayers can hold the edge alright and would be great fit on the D-Line.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
007 ayers+brace would be nice if we trade down, tyson jackson would be a great fit also in our 4-3
April 16th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
87,
You don’t know me that well. lol
If I was with Al, I would have this as my mock:
1- DHB 4.30
2- M Johnson 6′7, 270, and 4.59 and 4.49 pro day.
3- Bruton 6′2 219, 41″ vertical, and a 4.46.
4- DT D Scott: 6′4 320 and ran a 4.90 OR J Williams who ran a 4.5+
That sad part is, I like this list a lot and you see a lot of those players on my Mocks.
I’m sorry, but I can’t help myself. Al has me programed well.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Go Sharks!
April 16th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
but i dont see us trading down, ayers is a reach at the 7th and will be gone by the 2nd round
April 16th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
I think anybody could be picked. Now, when a particular person gets picked, I’ll be right no matter what. Finally!
April 16th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
I almost forgot.
Also draft the fastest DB or WR available in the 7th.
What do you think now 87? Can I work for Al? lol
April 16th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
=) lol
April 16th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
You never know with Ayers. This is a deep draft for DTs and DE. Exactly what we need.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
if u submitted that list to al he would adopt u, lol
April 16th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
yo Huff… I hear ya Ufck the ducks!!! 87 is trippin tho…
April 16th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Here, let me explain to you who don’t seem to grasp.
A) – a WR is not going to bring the Raiders a championship. Simple as that.
B) – a one move (bullrush) DT is not going to bring the Raiders to prominence as he will easily be dealt with by professional Cs and Gs or run around.
C) – protecting JaMarcus Russell is the ultimate weapon for both offensive production and defensive adequacy (read, they don’t have to always be on the field at crunch time trying to protect the paltriness of the O).
A+B+C = a ten year tackle in the first round (Khalil said he only wants to be a nine year LT. lol).
April 16th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
408 – We definately have to get past the 2nd round this year man. Its nice that we got the best record this year but we gotta finish the job.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Todd McShay said if the Jets are looking to move into the Top 10 to get Sanchez, it’ll take a 1st, 2nd and 4th rounder. I’d do that trade in a second. Especially since Maualuga may still, somehow, be around at No. 17. If we swing that deal:
1) Rey Maualuga, MLB, USC
2) Phil Loadholt, OT, Oklahoma
2) Duke Robinson, G, Oklahoma
3) Paul Kruger, DE, Utah
4) Zach Follet, LB, California
4) Anthony Smith, TE, NC State
7) Tiquan Underwood, WR, Rutgers
April 16th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
No one person is going to bring us a Championship but a team of players will, regardless of who we draft. All of these guys have to come together whether we have a core of 1st round picks or 7th round picks.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
at 6′3 272 ayers has good size, he would be nice fit, ithink we need to go little bigger like a gibert or jackson though
April 16th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
blake on the blue line will help alot
April 16th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Watch…the Raiders will draft Orakpo with all the talk about everyone else.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Record High Temperatures expected this weekend people. Let the heat begin. We will surely have a water drought this summer.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
if we dont improve our d-line the season is going to be lost, drafting a ot will not stop teams from running down our throat
April 16th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Yo O and all Brethren that miss Thec… He just sent me this…
What up BROTHER………? Hey I miss all you uys on the blog, but the mod wont send
me my password. I tried several times now but cannot get in. I will ask the
mod right now. Hope all is well.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Madden lives in Pleasonton/Livermore area. That is so close to wear I live and not far from Oakland/Alameda. He says he wants more time with his family. He won’t be far.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
I’ll be back later.
87,
Al likes size and speed, and so do I.
WRs and DBs who have speed and can play football, they become PBs. There are always exceptions like Blodin, Larry Fitz, snd Steve Smith has speed but is small.
Later Nation.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
24 orakpo will be gone by the 7th pick, probably to kc or cleveland
April 16th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
91 on monday…..in april sheez.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
i like size and speed too , but if u cant play what does it matter
April 16th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
408,
Help Thec change his password. He doesn’t need the Mod’s help.
Later Guys.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
When Madden said he wanted more time with his family, maybe he meant his Raider family?
““I still love every part of it — the travel, the practices, the game film, the games, seeing old friends and meeting new people . . . but I know this is the right time.””
Madden still has the itch people. Also, alot of people who come home from their careers usually dies sooner or gets divorced because the person feels lack of purpose in life and because they’ve never spent so much time with their spouse and they don’t know each other that well anymore. Spending more time together is almost overwhelming.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Why would Thec be kept from logging in? He wasn’t trolling was he?
April 16th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
BOLDIN CALLS TRADE “NECESSARY”
Posted by Mike Florio on April 16, 2009, 7:30 p.m.
With the Arizona Cardinals stepping up the efforts to trade receiver Anquan Boldin, Boldin is stepping up his efforts to get traded.
The long-disgruntled wideout told Michael Irvin on Thursday that “change is necessary.”
“I just want to get it resolved, it’s been going on way too long,” Boldin said during Irvin’s Dallas-area radio show, according to Calvin Watkins of the Dallas Mornings News. “[I]t would hurt but at the same time, change is necessary.”
Boldin also said that quarterback Kurt Warner is “worried.”
And Warner should be worried. He knows that his rags-to-riches-to-rags story swung back to riches because of the presence of Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald. Without Boldin, another player will need to take advantage of the attention given to Fitzgerald.
If Fitzgerald gets hurt, then Warner will have to fend for himself. It could be enough to keep Warner from generating the kinds of numbers necessary to memorialize his career in Canton.
Warner claimed to be willing to give up some of his salary if it would help the Cardinals sign Boldin to a long-term deal with dollars that Boldin deems suitable to his talents. Either it was a hollow promise, or the gap between the team and Boldin is far wider than Warner’s $2 million over two years would bridge.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
@$
Hell na thec dont troll…
I tried to register as 408RAIDER(FREE DIRTY!!) and never got my conformation email..
April 16th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
lol 24 NOT @$
April 16th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
jUST GETTIN WARMED UP 4 THE GAME.. HAD A FEW BEERS ALREADY
April 16th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Unfortunately…my cable sucks and I can’t watch the game. =(. Of course, If I watch it, we’ll probably lose so I’ll find out the results after the game.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
wings 3-1
April 16th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
The Wings will be the biggest challenge. Hopefully our coach can give us the advantage but we didn’t do so well against them in the regular season. Of course, we shouldn’t be looking past the Ducks. Thats how you lose. One game and one team at a time.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
24 work better when you pay the bill lol….. sorry couldnt help myself
April 16th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
I’m sure the Cards are asking more than a pretty penny for Boldin.
April 16th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Ufck the wing they always beat us up… =(
April 16th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Cards are asking for a 1st and a 3rd.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Make it happen AL…
April 16th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
next years 3rd tho
April 16th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
The just Released “Torture Memos” are interesting reading.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
I think the Cards would wait for the Raiders pick to come up so they could see if Crabtree is available first. That way, if Crabtree is available, We trade our pick and our 3rd to the Cards and they draft him and its basically a trade of Crabtree for Boldin and all we really lose is our 3rd round.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
24 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
I think the Cards would wait for the Raiders pick to come up so they could see if Crabtree is available first. That way, if Crabtree is available, We trade our pick and our 3rd to the Cards and they draft him and its basically a trade of Crabtree for Boldin and all we really lose is our 3rd round.
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Sounds good.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
. Also, alot of people who come home from their careers usually dies sooner or gets divorced because the person feels lack of purpose in life and because they’ve never spent so much time with their spouse and they don’t know each other that well anymore. Spending more time together is almost overwhelming.
So very true 24
April 16th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Just don’t see us trading our #1 and #3 for a guy who has ~3-4 years of production left in him.
I say stick with Crabtree if he’s there. Growing pains but much higher return in the long run.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
The big question is…if Crabtree is available…do you trade him and our 3rd round for Boldin or should you go with the youth? It could take up to 3 years or never for Crabtree to become good while Boldin is already established. The other factor is the injury to Crabtree and how he progresses. Of course, Boldin’s had his share of injuries as well but we all know Boldin is extremely tough.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
fish or cut bait
April 16th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
What about Javon Walker?
April 16th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
SaintKaufman – Crabtree may never produce while Boldin is guarenteed.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
KoolKell – Walker is a question mark. I personally think he can be a great WR but that may all depend on the success of JR to find that out. Walker is considered a head case by most and nobody gives him a chance. I’m willing to give him a chance, I’m just not getting my hopes up about him. Cable certainly doesn’t talk very highly of him either.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Big Al believed in him enough 2 refuse his offer of retirement so lets hope he lives up 2 it
April 16th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
I hear ya 24. I think Boldin is a stud. I also ‘believe’ Crabtree will be a badass as well.
Tomato
Tomoto
April 16th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
The Hell with Walker, he should have retired.
I’ll give the Cards 1st this and 3rd the next, for Bldin and DT A Branch.
OR
A 1st this year and a 2nd next year, for Boldin and DT Watson.
Make it happen Al.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Well…Walker offered to give his money back to Al and Al didn’t take it. What player have you ever heard do something like that? Al gave him a chance. This is Walker’s year to shine. Walker restructured his contract and took a big pay cut to stay. Again, not many players would have done that. My point is, Walker understands that he hasn’t lived up to the expectations of Al Davis and he was willing to be a man about it and knows he needs to do better. I respect the guy greatly for that but most people want to throw stones at the guy. Hes not a Plaxico Burress or a Mike Vick.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
I like Tomatos, no tomotos.
So yes on Boldin, and no on Crab.
JR needs a vet, not a rookie. Walker doesn’t count.
if I’m going to pay 50 mil to a WR, I would give it to a proven one not a rookie. I don’t like Crab that much. He doesn’t gave ideal height or speed. Boldin is the same way, but he has NFL production. IMHO
April 16th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
at first it was clear 2 see Walker didn’t take it seriously but I think he does now
April 16th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
24 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Walker is considered a head case by most and nobody gives him a chance. I’m willing to give him a chance, I’m just not getting my hopes up about him. Cable certainly doesn’t talk very highly of him either.
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I have little hope for Walker, and I disagree with you saying nobody has giving him a chance.
The guy got a scholarship from Florida State, was a 1st round pick, Denver traded for him and gave him big money, with Al to later sign him to really big money. The guy has gotten A TON OF CHANCES and that’s his problem, he has just skated through things. I expect him to have maybe two good games this year, miss at least 3 more,and be the first to bail if things start off rough.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Walker’s best season was in 2004 with Green Bay. If he can have a season like this with the Raiders, hes as good as gold. Whens the last time we had a guy with these stats?
89 Receptions
1,382 Yards
15.5 Avg
79 Long
12 Touchdowns
63 First Downs
2 Fumbles 2 Lost
April 16th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Vegas Raider – I meant the fans aren’t giving him a chance. Sorry.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
and thats what we need is 1st downs
April 16th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
What’s not in question, is that Walker and his salary will be on the Roster this year.
Boldin & Walker $$$$$$$
April 16th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Now…Add Anquan Boldin’s best season and if you can get these guys going at their best, imagine the possibilities. Boldin’s best season was in 2005 and he played in 14 Games.
102 Receptions
1,402 Yards
13.7 Avg
54 Long
7 Touchdowns
68 First Downs
2 Fumbles 1 Lost
+ Walker
89 Receptions
1,382 Yards
15.5 Avg
79 Long
12 Touchdowns
63 First Downs
2 Fumbles 2 Lost
April 16th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
KoolKell – His restructured contract doesn’t cost the team much this season.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Boldin can play under his current contract this season and we can give him a new contract in the non salary cap era the year after.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Then you have Higgins in the slot with Schilens behind him. Not bad.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Interesting thing to note…They both played at Florida State. I wonder if they were teamates together?
April 16th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
24,
Boldin had McClown or some AVG QB at best and look at what he did.
Walker had Favre and Cutler.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/scores100/100302/100302407.htm
This shows that Boldin and Walker scored a TD in the same game so it looks like they were teamates. Maybe this could rejuvenate the both of them?
April 16th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Jeff Blake was the starter in Boldin’s first year. McCown was the starter his 2nd year.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
“The Noles have enjoyed hosts of phenomenal wide receivers in its recent history, and many made it to the NFL, like Anquan Boldin, Marvin “Snoop” Minnis, Kez McCorvey (All-American), Ron Dugans, E.G. Green, and Javon Walker. While that is a pretty impressive list, I would put them as “honorable mentions” on my All-Time Seminole team. First mention must be given to Fred Biletnikoff, for whom the award for the best college receiver in the nation is named; he was also FSU’s first All-American selection in 1964.”
April 16th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
I like players like Boldin. He is tough, wants the ball in his hands ( as do all great players), and can help develop JR. The only thing Walker can develop is a drug habit.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
I’m not in the camp of trading a 1st and a 3rd for Boldin, maybe if the 3rd is next year. Too many holes on the team to be trading two quality picks for a guy with 2 years on his contract and wanting to get paid.
Who knows Crabtree might be more productive than Boldin in a few years anyway, and that 3rd could help add line depth on either side of the ball.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
this is funny
Matthews, Cushing Might Have Had Some Explaining To Do
Posted by Mike Florio on April 16, 2009, 9:44 p.m. EDT
One of our more astute readers pointed out to us tonight a controversy that first arose in 2007. If we knew about it at the time, we’d forgotten about it completely.
Former USC linebackers Clay Matthews, who is regarded as potential first-round draft pick, created two years ago a Facebook group called “White Nation,” which among other things advocated the “arrest [of] black babies before they become criminals.” Former USC linebacker Brian Cushing, another potential first-round prospect, joined the Facebook group.
It was all a joke, an unnamed administration source previously told the Daily Trojan (which coincidentally was the working title of Wilt Chamberlain’s autobiography).
Apparently, the joke arose from the fact that Matthews, Cushing, and other white teammates were dubbed “White Nation” by one or more non-white USC players.
It’s unknown whether and to what extent Matthews and/or Cushing have been grilled about the incident during pre-draft interviews. But if the Niners deemed it appropriate to ask Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford about the divorce of his parents, it’s more than fair game for NFL teams to revisit the issue with Matthews and/or Cushing in order to confirm that it really was a joke — and then to attempt to discern the humor in it.
April 16th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
If we were thinking about drafting Crab in the 7th, I would rather trade the pick for Boldin.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Ronald Curry signed with the Lions today. Culpepper vouched for him…
April 16th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Vegas,
Crab may get better than Boldin, or he can be a Bust. ( I’m not saying he is abust, but you never know with the draft.
Only if we were thinking about drafting Crab, then I would trade for Boldin.
And I agree. We have too many needs, and not many picks to trade 2 this year.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Culprpper vouched for Curry. lol
That’s like an idiot who vouched for a moron. lol
April 16th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
24 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
SaintKaufman – Crabtree may never produce while Boldin is guarenteed.”
Like Randy Moss was “guaranteed”?
Don’t get me wrong, I would take Boldin in a heart beat, but there are certainly no guarantees in the NFL.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Raider O
Glad you got the joke
April 16th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
I just can’t believe after researching that Javon Walker and Anquan Boldin were teamates and starters at the same time at Florida State. Maybe they could kick@$$ together once again?
April 16th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
RaiderDogg – Moss is a quitter. Boldin gets his face smashed in, doesn’t take anything to cover up the pain, heals up and comes back to play some more. Moss would have retired.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
a lady makes deer meat and calls the kids down to eat the son asks what it is and the mom says its your dads favorite so the son says its pu$sy dont eat it
April 16th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Moss is a crybaby. Boldin is mad because he was producing and breaking records before Fitzgerald even got there and Fitz got rewarded while Boldin was ignored. He still caught 89 passes for 1038 yards and 11 TD’s despite that and THAT was in 12 games.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
i would like boldin but not for 2 picks this year and not if we were going to draft an OT with that pick
April 16th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Here is my Improved Final Mock Draft based on I want, and has a good chance of being drafted by Al.
O Mock Draft 16.0:
1- DE Orakpo if available/ if not OT A Smith
2- DE M Johnson/ WR Ramses Barden
3- SS David Bruton/ Vaughn
4- DT Dorell Scott, Sammie Lee, or Khalif Mitchell.
7- OLB Russell Allen, or Ty Sales.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Boldin wants a new contract, he’s made no bones about it and that’s what this whole things is all about. If he gets traded to Oakland, that won’t change the fact that he wants to get paid, and after this next season, he might be a hold-out candidate in his last year on his deal in 2010.
Is that potential headache and 1st and 3rd rounders this year worth the 80 catches 1200 yards and 10 TD’s we would probably give us?
Or Al might just trade for him and than give him a ton of money like he did last year with Meangelo. I really hope he doesn’t repeat that process.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
mock draft
1. best OT available
2. best dl available
3. best lb available
4. best s available
7. best player available
April 16th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
24 Says:
April 16th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
RaiderDogg – Moss is a quitter. Boldin gets his face smashed in, doesn’t take anything to cover up the pain, heals up and comes back to play some more. Moss would have retired.”
I agree 100%. Boldin is a bad ass.
My point was that NOTHING is guaranteed in the NFL when it comes to individual results, regardless of past achievements.
Moss is a b1tch. The textbook defintion.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
While we’re at it throw in my updated mock:
1-Crabtree / if gone than Raji
2-Brace DT or M Johnson DE / if Raji 1st than H Nicks or Louis Murphy
3- Worrell Williams or Vaughn SS
4- Best O-line guy
6- Frank Summers – FB UNLV, Oakland native
7- fastest guy left
April 16th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
I like this mock a lot. I wouldn’t mind Maclin or Raji in the 1st.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
I meant mine, not yours Vegas. lol
I like yours too.
April 16th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Here we go 408…GO SHARKS!!!!!!!!!!!
April 16th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
I haven’t watched one minute of a Sharks game all year, but the games on because I get the Fox West LA stations out here (Dodgers and Ducks games tonight) and I’m jumping on the bandwagon for you guys.
Go Sharks!!
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