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Absence makes Crabtree’s suitors grow fonder

The Raiders are probably more likely to select Michael Crabtree in absence of a recent 40-yard dash time, rather than less likely.

With Crabtree recovering from stress fracture surgery and cleared medically, he can be as fast as they want him to be.

That’s something you discover while visiting Pro Days and the combine, anyway. Teams have their own scouts take times at these events, and wonder of wonders, the player a scout likes often comes away with the requisite time.

The Cleveland Browns may hold the key to whether we’ll find out the Raiders’ true feelings about Crabtree. There is talk of dealing either Braylon Edwards, Brady Quinn, or both, with the Browns interested in both Crabtree and USC quarterback Mark Sanchez.

Once Crabtree is gone, only two receivers would probably merit the No. 7 pick _ Missouri’s Jeremy Maclin and Maryland’s Darrius Heyward-Bey. The latter is a stretch, but veteran Al Davis watchers feel it’s a possibility because of his blistering combine time as well as the best height-weight-speed numbers at his position.

If the Browns take Crabtree, the only thing for certain is the Raiders will get exactly who they wanted all along at No. 7 _ regardless of whose name is called.

Crabtree? Never heard of him.

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  • blackdeath29
  • JT52

    if it isn’t a combine time it probably isn’t credible

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    TwoCents..

    LOL! ok, im on with the dreamgame

    1st Curry (7)
    2nd Robiskie (40)
    3rd Fili Maola (71)
    4th (126) SS, OLB/DE type
    7th (216) FB

  • 24

    Isn’t Maualuga more physical than Aaron Curry? Is Curry more like Thomas Howard?

  • raiderzride4free

    man, this draft is shaping up to be a really good one. so many surprises, so many different ways things can happen. i dont think ive ever been this excited about a draft. id be happy with either crabtree, maclin, curry, or one of the 4 O lineman.

  • Twocents

    LMN,

    I’m kind of intrigued by Moala also.

    But then, I’m partial to USC players.

    I’m of the opinion that USC would give the Raiders all they could handle, head to head.

  • Nnamdi21

    24 Says:
    April 18th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
    Isn’t Maualuga more physical than Aaron Curry? Is Curry more like Thomas Howard?

    ====================================

    Mau struggles in space,can’t cover RBs or TEs at the next level and is a better hitter than tackler.

    Curry is supposed to be the best ALL AROUND LB. Covers, tackles, run stops. Best technician at the position.

    I think KC would like to have a Derrick Thomas quality LB at 3…

  • Nnamdi21

    I’m hoping if we go Crab one of those FA s we picked up can pass protect…

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    Im actually not that keen on USC players, but he is the best DT in the middle rounds!

  • Twocents

    24,

    I see Maualuga as the more physical MLB, absolutely. I guess I’m just saying that I’d rather have Curry as our MLB than Morrison.

  • NJRaiderfan

    1st – curry or ayers
    2nd – robiski or britt
    3rd – chung

  • Nnamdi21

    On the Cheifs home site an informal poll shows 67% want Curry over anybody else.

    They’ve made a big deal about the RUMORS Eugene Monroe had bad knee tests at the combine.

    If he slips to 7 does Oakland take him OR Smith?

    Heres the deal with Smith, CAN’T MOVE TO HIS LEFT!!!

    He’d have to be right side and isn;t ideal for the ZBS.

    Dam site better than Green though Id bet…

  • blackdeath29

    Twocents ,
    like all college teams usc would get killed by any pro team.

  • Nnamdi21

    Andre Smith:

    “Lateral Movement: An area of concern. Smith is either lethargic in his kick slide or has issues moving laterally due to his girth and soft midsection. He has had a very hard time handling edge rushers when having to slide to his left. He has the speed and angle concepts to get into the second level on screens or running plays, but he does get lazy driving his feet, allowing defenders a chance to slip off his blocks. “

  • Nnamdi21

    Andre Smith:

    “Pass Blocking: Smith is a much better pass blocker with a defender over his head than when having to slide out and mirror an edge rusher. He just seems to lack the lateral flexibility needed to stay with his man when the opponent attacks the backfield off the wide loop. He has the hand punch to pop and control, but for some reason, he would rather absorb defenders rather than initiate contact in pass protection. All of his negative plays in the backfield came against quicker pass rushers (does a much better job vs. the bull rush). With his deep kick-slide and longer arms, should be able to stave off the edge rush, but it is obvious that he has issues going to his left.”

    http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1255104

  • M Lonetree

    Crapola. All the war room GMs will pucker up when the time comes and pick the safest bets when it comes time. Aaron Curry will be gone as will Crabs. A coupla OTs will be gone and perhaps a QB. QB safe bet? Not at all but there isn’t shinola out there to spend 50 million on. A rookie salary cap would make it so much more fair for the poor turds who have to pick first.

  • Twocents

    Nnamdi21,

    I’m always wrong when it comes to predicting the Raiders draft.

    I don’t think were taking a T in the first round.

    Al has signed four OL, five if you count the late season acquisition of Marten.

    If Crabtree is gone, I would not be surprised if he stretched for Heyward-Bey.

  • Twocents

    Blackdeath29,

    I know it was a ridiculous statement but sometimes the Raiders are just so bad I have to wonder.

  • M Lonetree

    Nnamdi21,

    yes, but…

    Andre, Oher, Maclin, BJ, Maluaga,OraGholstonkpo – they’re all flawed. And??..

  • 24

    The point I was trying to make regarding Maualuga and Curry is that we have guys like Curry in our linebacking core with Howard and Morrison. What we lack is the physical presence that we truly need and Curry could very well get pushed around the way the guys we already have do. Maualuga would give us something different that we lack that Morrison or Howard or even Curry can’t give us. Thats what makes him more valuable in my opinion.

  • raiderkoolaid

    If The Raiders do take a WR Crabtree would be my first choice, but if he is gone I would prefer Maclin. He plays fast on the field no matter what his forty time says, and I like his wonderlick scores. I think that someone with his intelligence would understand the concepts and catch on to running routes a lot faster than Higgins has.

  • raiderkoolaid

    In less than a week we will know.

  • M Lonetree

    You wanna safe pick? Draft Knowshon Moreno. I see that kid as the most dynamic player available. The Raiders already have McTurftoe so it won’t happen, but damn, I think he’s gonna be the Adrian Peterson of this class. Pity the Raiders if they have to defend against him twice per year.

  • 24

    Lonetree – The Defense to Moreno could be Maualuga…Possibly the next Ray Lewis.

  • JT52

    24 how can u say Curry will be a guy to get pushed around? The guy is a physical presence on the field. I do not have his stats in fron of me but I believe he is 6’3 255lbs with 4.56 speed at 30 reps at 225. If that is a small linebacker then I do not know what u think is big

    Curry would honestly be my first choice if he was on the board however it is highly unlikely.

    Curry covers, reads and reacts without taking false angles and is a sure fire tackler. Tomlinson would not find an edge with Curry on the field plain and simple

  • M Lonetree

    24,

    yes, ReyRey said all the right things about being a grown-up now. I believe him. He is a man. Moreno is a receiver as much as a running back. How could Maualuga cover him?

  • 24

    Lonetree – I wasn’t intending Maualuga to cover him. The MLB doesn’t usually cover. The OLB’s do and Morrison and Howard can handle that just fine.

  • blackdeath29

    curry is bigger and faster and stronger than maualuga.maualuga hits harder,but curry makes more tackles.

    maualuga- 79 tackles 2.5 tackles for loss 0 sacks 4 pass break ups 2 int`s.

    curry-105 tackles 16 tackles for loss 2.5 sacks 3 pass breal up 1 int.

  • 24

    Aaron Curry
    Height: 6-13/4 | Weight: 254 | 40-Time: 4.56

    Official Bio

    Strengths:
    Possesses a terrific blend of size and bulk…Exceptional speed, quickness and athleticism…Very physical and tough…Excellent strength and power…Extremely aggressive…Outstanding instincts and awareness…Offers a lot of versatility…Reliable tackler who will deliver the big hit…Really uses his hands well…Does a nice job of taking on and shedding blockers…Superb pass rusher and blitzer…Has sideline-to-sideline range…Will attack and fill against the run…Comfortable in space…Can match up and make plays in coverage…Has a lot of experience…Durable and never missed a game due to injury…Smart…Hard worker…Team leader…Super productive.

    Weaknesses:
    Can be too aggressive at times and will overpursue…Not quite as tall as you’d prefer…Pass rush repertoire is limited…Marginal change of direction skills…May have some trouble when it comes to recognition in coverage….Is not particularly fluid when he is forced to flip his hips.

    Notes:
    Won the Butkus Award, which honors the nation’s top linebacker, as a senior…Brother Patrick Pinkney was a quarterback at East Carolina…Was a four-year starter in the ACC…In 2007 he took all four of his interceptions back for touchdowns, with an average return of 56.5 yards…Could play outside or inside in either a 4-3 or 3-4 defensive scheme…A marvelous all-around player who is effective in every aspect of the game…As good as any linebacker prospect to come along in recent memory…A legitimate Top 10 talent who should be one of the most highly rated players available for the 2009 NFL Draft.

    Career Statistics
    Year GP TKL TFL SACK PBU INT
    2004 RS - - - - -
    2005 11 45 7.5 1.0 5 0
    2006 14 83 8.5 3.0 3 1
    2007 13 99 13.5 3.0 4 4
    2008 13 105 16.0 2.5 3 1
    Totals 51 332 45.5 9.5 12 6

  • M Lonetree

    24

    sho’ ’nuff.

  • 24

    For some reason…I was thinking Curry was about 240lbs. My bad. He does struggle in coverage according to his report though.

  • 24

    Rey Maualuga
    Height: 6-13/4 | Weight: 249 | 40-Time: 4.82

    Official Bio

    Strengths:
    Has excellent size and bulk…Extremely aggressive…Tough and physical…A violent, intimidating presence who can really deliver the big hit…Good instincts…Very strong…Explosive…Reads and reacts quickly…Does a nice job of taking on and shedding blockers…Will step up and fill against the run…Solid pass rusher and blitzer…Plays faster than he times and has a burst…Has shown the ability to make big plays in coverage…Productive with a knack for making game-changing plays… Offers schematic versatility…Is still improving and has upside.

    Weaknesses:
    Does not have elite timed speed…Inconsistent…Can be too aggressive at times…Always looking to deliver the knockout blow and will miss some tackles…Does not always take proper angles…Lacks fluid hips…May struggle to match up in coverage…Average change of direction skills…Range is somewhat limited…Will get caught out of position at times… Still immature…Ran into some trouble off the field.

    Notes:
    Best fit may be inside in a 3-4 scheme but could also play the middle in a 4-3…A three-year starter for the Trojans…Would have been a Top 15 pick in the 2008 NFL Draft but opted to return to school for his senior season…Was arrested on suspicion of misdemeanor battery after allegedly punching a man during a party in 2005…Has faced team disciplinary action on more than one occasion…Was the MVP of the Rose Bowl as a junior when he recorded 3 sacks and an interception…Has star potential if he can keep his head on straight … Impact linebacker who can take over and dominate games.

    Career Statistics
    Year GP TKL TFL SACK PBU INT
    2005 12 37 4.5 1.0 2 1
    2006 13 78 5.0 2.0 3 1
    2007 13 79 10.5 6.0 3 1
    2008 12 79 2.5 0.0 4 2
    Totals 50 273 22.5 9.0 12 5

  • 24

    Ok…I was off somewhere. I can see why Curry is more coveted than Maualuga. Hmmm…this damn draft.

  • 24

    Gotta go. Peace.

  • M Lonetree

    hell, if you just want stats then look at Zack Follett’s numbers out of Cal. Sacks, tackles for losses, All-Pac-Ten etc. No ESPN hype though.

  • blackdeath29

    this draft is awesome.i love it.most i`ve ever been involved.

  • JT52

    I like Rey as a presence in the middle however I was reading an article on NFL.com the other day about how the tru MLB is being faded out as teams are switching to the 3-4 and the OLBs are more prominent in their roles now.

    I was not pleased with Reys forty at the combine but he got hurt. The 4.67 he ran at the pro day is very respectable but he was also down in the 240lbs range when he did it and his bench reps suffered because of it.

    Bottom line I would rather have curry out there keeping the edges contained and covering sum flats until the nickel package is needed

  • blackdeath29

    follett played olb in a 3-4 as a sr.if the raiders played a 3-4 i would be screaming for follett.i still want alex mack with the second pick.

  • Brien the General 510

    JT52 Says:
    April 18th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
    I like Rey as a presence in the middle however I was reading an article on NFL.com the other day about how the tru MLB is being faded out as teams are switching to the 3-4 and the OLBs are more prominent in their roles now.

    I was not pleased with Reys forty at the combine but he got hurt. The 4.67 he ran at the pro day is very respectable but he was also down in the 240lbs range when he did it and his bench reps suffered because of it.

    Bottom line I would rather have curry out there keeping the edges contained and covering sum flats until the nickel package is needed

    Thing is we need a 4-3 MLB with a physical presence. Rey can provide that and would make the defense something to fear. Kirk belongs outside because he has superior coverage

  • Brien the General 510

    Notes:
    Best fit may be inside in a 3-4 scheme but could also play the middle in a 4-3…A three-year starter for the Trojans…Would have been a Top 15 pick in the 2008 NFL Draft but opted to return to school for his senior season…Was arrested on suspicion of misdemeanor battery after allegedly punching a man during a party in 2005…Has faced team disciplinary action on more than one occasion…Was the MVP of the Rose Bowl as a junior when he recorded 3 sacks and an interception…Has star potential if he can keep his head on straight … Impact linebacker who can take over and dominate games.

    See this last paragraph sums up why I want him. Gimme a mean bastard please. He is the only impact player besides Curry would start Day 1 in Oakland

  • blackdeath29

    Brien the General 510 ,
    with out a d-line rey maualuga will scare no o.c.rey weighs 249 nfl line go up wards of 350 at tackle and would tee off on him.300+ vs 249 16 games a year.if rey was on washington with haynesworth he would take somebodys head off.new englang or s.f. would also be a good fit .

  • Brien the General 510

    blackdeath29 Says:
    April 18th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
    Brien the General 510 ,
    with out a d-line rey maualuga will scare no o.c.rey weighs 249 nfl line go up wards of 350 at tackle and would tee off on him.300+ vs 249 16 games a year.if rey was on washington with haynesworth he would take somebodys head off.new englang or s.f. would also be a good fit .

    *********************

    Stay with your constant defense of Kirk if you want but dont complain next year when the Defense somehow still stinks. Kirk being moved from MLB is essential to this team making a playoff run

  • Brien the General 510

    Kirk’s coverage at OLB is much more needed. We need a true NT and true MLB to make this defense bad ass. Also need a RDE and SS

  • blackdeath29

    i am not defending kirk.rey is a better run stuffing mlb than kirk.but with out a d-line rey would not be a major up-grade.

  • Tomycar

    April 18th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
    If Curry falls to 7 I would like The Raiders to take him and then take Brace in Round 2. I think that would dramatically improve the D. I have hopes at WR that Higgins will continue to improve. He is a touchdown just waiting to happen every time he touches the ball. I also hope for improvement from Schilens. He has size and speed. I hope that Walker can come back and give something and that Shields turns out to be a player. It is just hope on all of those WR’s, but I think it is legitimate hope. If we do take a WR I hope he turns out to be a great player, but if we don’t start stopping the run we will not turn this team around.

    =================================================================================================================

    you got my vote

  • Tomycar

    ooooooppppps

  • Raider Dell

    Brien

    All of your comments for a true MIKE is correct and right on!

    My only reason I don’t believe they will go in that direction is a pressing need to protect Jamarcus and Dmac with a offensive player either LT or WR.

    Your MLB is in the defensive scheme of things is a difficult decision due to the MLB is usually taken off the field when the teams go to a three WR set, which in the NFL breaks down to 25 times a game.

    Last years NFL stats show the average team wil have 53 snaps and of those three WR’s are in that formations 25 times. If Rey is your guy than Morrisson stays on the field and Rey leaves. The overall play from Rey will be great but on a part time basis, Rey will be out there for only 30 snaps based on the NFL stats.

    This doesn’t account for a pass play called when he is even on the field, so his drops and reads will have to correct to defend the pass.

    His value will be as a part time player, and the cost of $20 million guaranteed will be a deciding factor.

    I’ve seen your comments, even if you can comment in all of your positive points, Rey will still need a true NT, and DE to be as effective as you say.

    My points are not to refute his ability, just being practical as a Raider Man.

  • Chris in NY

    I’m with you 24,
    Trade down to one of the teams in the middle of the 1st round who want a QB and draft Maualuga.

    I saw that the Browns are supposedly interested in either Crabtree or Sanchez and that’s it at No. 5. I don’t buy it for a second. Either the Browns are floating this story in hopes of getting someone to trade up with them for the No. 5 pick or one of the teams ahead of them is. Why would the Browns ever draft Sanchez when they have Quinn and Anderson on roster and a ton of other needs to fill. They may be interested in Crabtree but I don’t put any stock in this rumor. Convenient how those are probably the only two guys anyone is likely to move up to get.

  • blackdeath29

    Raider Dell,
    very well put.rey is a great college mlbbut all 4-3 mlb need a good d-line in front of them.look at the contracts in the nfl.qb`s highest paid,than left tackle,than guys who can rush the passer.

  • raiderkoolaid

    The only problem with trading down is that it requires a trade partner who is willing to give a legitimate price for that pick. I would be willing to trade down, but I would want something close to the NFL trade value chart in return, and most teams are not willing to give that up when it means that they are going to have to pay the big contract to the player that they pick, unless of course there is a player there who they think is going to be a huge difference maker for them.