2009 draft wrap
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, April 26th, 2009 at 10:03 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Some post draft observations before shutting it down for the night:
– Throwing speedsters Darrius Heyward Bey and Louis Murphy into the mix at wide receiver makes Javon Walker’s situation precarious.
Walker’s name has been conspicuously avoided by Tom Cable when he launches into rhetoric regarding his veteran players, and Heyward-Bey and Murphy join Chaz Schilens, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Arman Shields, Jonathan Holland and Todd Watkins, with the latter two hanging by their fingernails.
Here’s the rub _ Walker is guaranteed $4.6 million over the next two seasons, and Al Davis hates paying money to players not on the roster. Plus the Raiders have been loyal in the past to players who have restructured their contracts.
But if Walker shows up either overweight or disinterested, given the circumstances, the Raiders may have no other choice. The $4.6 million will be a buyout for a mistake, to be tacked on to the $8 million for eight games spent on DeAngelo Hall and the $8.4 million given to safety Gibril Wilson.
Interesting to note that during the owner’s meetings and during Cable’s pre-draft press conference with the media, he said Walker was healthy. On Sunday, made reference to “seeing if we can get Javon Walker healthy.”
Walker ending up on injured reserve would be a way to pay him without the indignity of having to cut him when he’s due all that money.
– Defensive end/linebacker Stryker Sulak, the sixth-round pick and No. 199 overall, finished second in Missouri history with 22 1/2 sacks, but the stat that might intrigue the Raiders even more are his 14 forced fumbles, including six as a senior.
“It was hammered into us — get the ball, get the ball,” Sulak said at the NFL scouting combine.“Every time I got around the edge that was my first thought. The quarterback is sitting back there — where’s the ball? Does he have it up? Down? Where is it and can I get it?
“You try for the sack with one hand and you try to bring the other hand down as hard as you can. He’s not in the best position and not holding the ball as tight as he can. So you try to can-opener it out, get the ball out and try to get your offense on the field. If you get the ball out, it’s a sack and forced fumble. That looks really good on paper.”
– Cable wasn’t kidding when he said he was fine with his offensive line, as the Raiders didn’t pick a lineman for the second consecutive season. When he talked about how nice it would be to have one of the four “Cadillacs” (Jason Smith, Andre Smith, Eugene Monroe, Michael Oher), Cable was either blowing smoke to the media or giving smoke signals to Al Davis.
Monroe was there for the taking. Only time will tell if the Raiders passed on a great one in favor of Heyward-Bey.
For now, Cable is bravely going forward with the utmost confidence in Khalif Barnes, Mario Henderson, Erik Pears and Cornell Green as the chief protectors of the future of the franchise, JaMarcus Russell.
Marcus Johnson, the former Minnesota second-round pick signed as a free agent, will play guard for the Raiders. Cable never mentioned him when going over his line, saying Robert Gallery, Cooper Carlisle and Paul McQuistan were the top three guards, plus “some other guys that we’ve put in there. I’m trying to think of their names right now.”
Either Cable’s mind was numb from a day of listening to endless names, schools and 40-yard dash times (I know mine was), or Johnson hasn’t made much of an impression.
– The Raiders are also fine with the triumverate of Gerard Warren, Tommy Kelly and Terdell Sands in the middle, adding no tackles in the draft and Ryan Boschetti in free agency.
Defensive end will be more hotly contested, with Matt Shaughnessy and Sulak to compete with Jay Richardson, Trevor Scott, Greyson Gunheim, Derrick Gray, and presumably Derrick Burgess.
– Two years, no cornerbacks. The last cornerback selected was John Bowie, selected in the fourth round with the Randy Moss pick and inactive in 2007 and on injured reserve in 2008.
Nnamdi Asomugha and Chris Johnson (assuming the Raiders ever officially acknowledge he’s been signed) are solid as the starters. Stanford Routt found himself bypassed by Johnson and didn’t appear to be all that into the Cable program. Maybe Lionel Washington can get him on board. Bowie will be the “Randy Moss” punch line until proven otherwise.
– Zach Miller may be getting hitched.
Cable has said on on a few occasions the key to seeing Miller’s already decent receiving numbers improve would be “marrying him up” with another tight end who complements his skills.
Enter Brandon Myers out of Iowa. Myers had a predraft visit to Oakland and is a two-time All-Big Ten tight end.
“We had to have the tight end that really had some physicalness to him so we could take some of that away from Zach Miller and use him in the passing game a little bit more,” Cable said.
– Not noted on NFL Network (or at least not that I heard) _ the Raiders are the first team in NFL history to draft players named “Slade” and Stryker” on on consecutive picks.
– The Raiders got their “apology” from Mike Mayock, and Mike Mitchell got himself a biography as a prospect.
Mitchell was also debated on ESPN, and asked to respond to Mel Kiper Jr.’s criticism of his selection in the second round.
“Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean?,” Mitchell said. “My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion fo scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me.”
While I have no idea how Mitchell can handle a play-fake or LaDainian Tomlison coming at him on the goal line, he’s got the media game figured out already.
Kiper’s response?
“He’s entitled to say that. He’s a player. You want him to defend his position. He’s a second-round pick. I’m happy for him. I had him between 40 and 73 at safety, with a seventh-round grade,” Kiper said. “So this is a kid that had a chance to into camp and make a team as a late-round pick. He went in the second round.
“I thought there were a lot of safeties in the fourth that were better. Todd McShay had him at 123. So teams I’ve talked to in the NFL _ who get paid to scout _ thought he was a free agent. It wasn’t only Oakland. One team told me this morning they were going to take him in the third round. They think he has future Pro Bowl ability. That’s the wide range of opinion on Michael Mitchell.”
– Not surprisingly, ESPN analysts Cris Carter and Trent Dilfer were critical of Oakland’s draft. Dilfer didn’t buy into the “winners and losers” line of questioning but said, “The one that does not make sense to me, doesn’t make them a loser, but it does not make a lot of sense to me, I can’t wrap my brain around the Oakland Raiders.”
Carter didn’t hesitate in declaring a loser.
“Oakland,” he said.
– The things you learn walking hallways at the facility _ Shane Lechler is the Raiders 2008 Eric Turner award as the defensive Most Valuable Player. His name was etched on the trophy. It’s an award the Raiders, to my knowledge, have never publicized for reasons unknown.
I guess it’s not horribly out of line to make Lechler the defensive MVP based on field position, but he is in fact a special teams player and they did agree to pay Nnamdi Asomugha _ who actually plays defense _ $28.5 million in guaranteed money and a potential $45.3 million over three years.
Meanwhile, Lechler stands to make $16 million over the next four years.
I’m guessing Asomugha, given the choice, will take the monetary validation over his name on a trophy.
– The Heyward-Bey vs. Crabtree competition isn’t the only one worth watching for the Raiders and 49ers. Cable said the Raiders traded with Carolina to acquire a sixth-round pick to acquire one of two tight ends _ Bear Pascoe of Fresno State or Myers, intimating he would have been happy with either one.
The 49ers got to Pascoe at No. 184, and the Raiders took Myers at No. 202.
The bottom line
The Raiders got bad draft grades primarily because they’ve been a bad team for six years and have made a lot of questionable personnel decisions (duh) during that span.
If Bill Belichick or the Ozzie Newsome had made the same picks, they’d be viewed in an entirely different light because of their recent track records.
Cable sold the Raiders choices with confidence and resolve. He doesn’t care what the media thinks, and it always amazes me more experienced coaches don’t adopt the same philosophy.
If the Raiders go 10-6, next year’s draft stories will recount how they proved everyone wrong and give them some credibility for 2010. Cable will be declared a genius, the man who “changed” Al Davis.
If the Raiders go 6-10, Heyward-Bey is a non-factor and Michael Crabtree catches 70 passes for 1,000 yards in San Francisco, while Mike Mitchell is a special teams gunner and nothing more, Cable will probably be labeled as Al’s puppet even if it was a joint effort.
It’s not that complicated.
Either way, it will serve Cable well to keep his public approach as steady as he has since Davis went to the overhead projector.
I’m scheduled to write a column for Tuesday grading each team, but don’t put too much stock in it, because I don’t.
You do what you’re assigned to do, even if you know judging a draft immediately _ as opposed to four or years down the road _ is one of the most ridiculous exercises in your profession.
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April 26th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
White over silver and black.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Frantz Joseph signs free-agent deal with Raiders
After waiting all day to hear his name called, former FAU linebacker will get his chance
By Ted Hutton | South Florida Sun-Sentinel
April 26, 2009
Sunday started out well for former FAU linebacker Frantz Joseph.
At 8 a.m. he watched himself on ESPN’s Outside The Lines show, which featured Joseph in its first segment.
It ended with the question of whether or not he would be picked in the draft.
That was the question Joseph hoped would be answered quickly during the second day of the NFL draft.
Unfortunately, nearly 9 and ½ hours later, the draft ended without Joseph being chosen.
“It was hard. It was a long day,” Joseph said.
But shortly after the end of the draft, Joseph signed a deal with the Oakland Raiders as a priority free agent, meaning he will get a chance to prove that he belongs at the next level.
Joseph said he was ready to go to Oakland and prove that he can play at the next level.
“Most definitely. My dream is still alive,” Joseph said.
Joseph’s agent, Latish Kinsler, said he was shocked that Joseph was not picked in the draft.
“Given his production and what he has shown he can do, we didn’t expect it. But you prepare for the worst and hope for the best,” Kinsler said.
The Outside The Lines show told the story of how Joseph grew up poor in Fort Lauderdale, raised by his mother, Marie Clercius, an immigrant from Haiti who often could not provide enough money to keep the lights on or keep from being evicted.
Joseph was able to find success on the football field, becoming a star at Fort Lauderdale High and earning a scholarship to Boston College.
But his mother started having health issues, and Joseph was no fan of the cold New England winter he experienced, so he moved back to Fort Lauderdale and transferred to FAU.
After sitting out a year due to the NCAA’s transfer rule, Joseph became FAU’s starting middle linebacker in 2006 as a redshirt sophomore.
He had 61 tackles that year, more than doubled that with 131 in 2007, and then shattered that with 154 this past season.
That put him at No. 2 in the country in tackles, and he left FAU as the career leader in tackles in a season and career (346).
He played a critical role in FAU’s Motor City Bowl win over Central Michigan, and then was the defensive player of the game in the Texas versus Nation all-star game.
But that wasn’t enough to get him invited to the NFL Combine, and he had to settle for FAU’s Pro Day, where his performance was disappointing (4.84 in the 40, 27 ½ vertical leap).
April 26th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
If you don’t go to 5 rd sometimes it better not to get drafted and try to pick the teams best suited for you and that has need at you’re postiton, these undrafted fa come in on fire trying to make the team always lot’s of diamonds in the rough and that is al specialty .
April 26th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Don’t forget William Joseph, Jerry. And, no, I’m not kidding. He came on pretty strong down the stretch and was more of a force than Sands was in the final two or so games. He even pressured the QB.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
I wonder how true that “promise” made to Barnes about not drafting Oline??? we will never know…
April 26th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Players I hope we replaced today
WR – Javon Walker
S – Hiram Eugene
DE – Derrick Burgess
WR – Ashlie Lelie
LB – Sam Williams
LB – Marquis Cooper (RIP)
TE – Tony Stewart
LB – Jon Condo
DT – Terdell Sands
April 26th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
hey jerry can you get a list of raiders UDFA’s?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Thanks for the correction Jerry, didn’t mean to come off the way it did. Good job this weekend given all the draft madness.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Thanks Darth. I wish some of these other yoyo’s would try googling a bit before they verbatim Kiper.
Speaking of which, Kiper’s way of apologizing is pathetic. I guess admitting that one team would take him in 3rd round with probowl capability is the most we will get out of this dumba$$.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
God Bless Mr. Al Davis
April 26th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
ESPN’s John Clayton reported the Raiders were shopping safety Michael Huff and running back Justin Fargas during the weekend. Neither is a surprise. Huff has been a disappointment since he was a No. 1 pick three years ago and Fargas may be lost in a deep running back crew in Oakland
April 26th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
I have already become very fond of this UDFA Frantz Joseph and I will be pulling for this kid to make it. He’s hard nosed take no prisoner type that we desparately need and to make the team would be tremendous for him and his MOM.
Cable has gone way out of his way to bring physicality to the defense. Mst think he should’ve done it with DT’s but the DT’s in this draft IMO didn’t get me excited not nearly as much as the players we acquired. All of these guy’s can run and hit and make plays. If they tackle well the run will get stopped.
Defense is as much attitude as anything determination to make plays and play physical. That’s how you stop the run and the pass.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Guys here is a video from an espn take on Joseph. You can’t help but hope he makes the team. Personally, I would love to see him and Mitchell decleats runners.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=4084063
April 26th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
he got football player and not devas. smart man. go cable
April 26th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
# JUSTautumnWINd Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Don’t forget William Joseph, Jerry. And, no, I’m not kidding. He came on pretty strong down the stretch and was more of a force than Sands was in the final two or so games. He even pressured the QB.
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Yeah, he’s a real force.
*snickers*
April 26th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Go f’ck yourself Crow. You f’cking loser!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
LB – Jon Condo is our long snapper Jhill.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
ESPN’s John Clayton reported the Raiders were shopping safety Michael Huff and running back Justin Fargas during the weekend. Neither is a surprise. Huff has been a disappointment since he was a No. 1 pick three years ago and Fargas may be lost in a deep running back crew in Oakland
Damn those are two players that need to go especially Farglass
April 26th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
fargass would be a good 4th qrter guy for when/if we have the lead.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
# 14, nice find. The video was good and a nice insight, the kid will get his chance with the Raiders. If anything, we all can agree we need help in the LB position, who knows, might be a good pick up.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Its all on Russell’s shoulders now. Everyone said WR was a area of need and well two guys were selected this weekend. So DHB is the number 1? lol a joke
April 26th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Back up MILB….until we switch Morrison to OLB (I can wish, no??)
April 26th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Glutten for Punishment Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
fargass would be a good 4th qrter guy for when/if we have the lead.
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Farglass is a good guy to keep the bench warm. He doesnt need to see the field
April 26th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
f… it man i’ll stick up 4 our picks and hope we pull out some more wins
April 26th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
we werent the only team that passed on crabtree,the rams were a possible landing place, so was cleveland, cincy..jax.. I think we landed a gem with DHB.Its good to have crabtree across town, that will make dhb work harder.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Kirk is still the MLB? HAHA we now know the run defense will stink again for sure
April 26th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Crow Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Yeah, he’s a real force.
*snickers*
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Ugh, Yes, I get it, he’s nothing more than a back up. I’m not making a case that we’re solid at DT because of Joseph, just that he deserves to be more than an afterthought considering the shape were in before we re-signed him mid season. Remember that TE, what’s his name, was being rotated at DT relieve Tommy, Warren, and Sands? That’s not gonna cut it. Our DT play improved with Joseph because he’s a handful and big body coming in fresh off the bench.
That’s all I care to say on the matter. Go to nfl rewind.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Man we got football players in this draft. It is so funny that DHB is the least of the natural football players in our draft and UFA. All the guys are characters and motors. I hope Frantz makes it. Right now he is the only LB on our roster that can shed a block from a lineman.
Yup, Morrison better start to step up.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
good looking out post #14
April 26th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Brien would never have lasted until “General”; he would have been shot when he was a 2nd Lt.
You disrespect the military with your “oh so cool” name.
What a dope…no wonder everyone avoids and laughs at you.
Let me put this DHB thing into perspective: DHB was drafted at the same spot as ADRIAN PETERSON!
DHB best produce…
-Alexander Wright
-Mervin Fernandez
-Raghib “Rocket” Ismail
-James Jett
(——–other than that game winning TD from Wade “I already receive Social Security” Wilson against the Chargers———–)
-Randey Moss
-DHB??? Give it three years and 20 Million…
April 26th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
okay… 2 things we know about Al Davis scouting team:
1) they have youtube (mike mitchell)
2) they watch OTL w/ Bob Levy (Frantz Joseph)
(by they, I meant Cable)
April 26th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
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April 26th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Alisgod,
If Frantz does turn out to be the real deal, Kirk would be moved to strong side LB, a position where he can do more of what he does best (pass coverage) than run defending. Then Frantz can stop the run on the first few two downs, and be taken out when the raiders go into the nickel. I like this Frantz guy, even if he’s made some mistakes. Let’s hope he solidifies the Raiders LB Corps as the best in the AFC WEST.
April 26th, 2009 at 11:49 pm
I’m looking forward to minicamp to see exactly what kind of players were actually brought in to “compete”. This draft was very, I’ll call it interesting. Not what any of us were hoping for. Lets see how they come together and play during the minicamps. Hopefully the scouting department deserves a raise insted of the axe.
April 26th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
what a about 3-4?
April 27th, 2009 at 12:00 am
Icon Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
Alisgod,
If Frantz does turn out to be the real deal, Kirk would be moved to strong side LB, a position where he can do more of what he does best (pass coverage) than run defending. Then Frantz can stop the run on the first few two downs, and be taken out when the raiders go into the nickel. I like this Frantz guy, even if he’s made some mistakes. Let’s hope he solidifies the Raiders LB Corps as the best in the AFC WEST.
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I don’t think Kirks job is danger yet. Maybe after a season backing Kirk up — IF Frantz Joseph even makes the team.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:02 am
Icon, I agree. My biggest issue is I hardly ever see the current crop of LB put a licking on somebody or even shed a block.
you look at pittsburg and their LB corp are so physical.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:04 am
You know I like what Marshall is going to do with our LB corp. I thought we drafted REAL football players in the mid rounds and on today. those Slade and Stryker is much better than what we have at SAM right now. Those guys are producers on their team.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:05 am
Crabtree was quoted on sportsnetcentral “I felt it was something that I mastered and noticed [double & tripple coverage in college] and wanted a challenge”. He seems to be full of himself.. idk i could be wrong.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:10 am
Alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:04 am
You know I like what Marshall is going to do with our LB corp. I thought we drafted REAL football players in the mid rounds and on today. those Slade and Stryker is much better than what we have at SAM right now. Those guys are producers on their team.
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IMO, i think a good portion of these picks are special teams at best for their rookie year… I dont know how long it takes to understand a NFL playbook let alone Defensive schemes, It cant be that easy.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:20 am
Raiderrej,
All that I know is we picked players that started for their teams for a long time and considered leaders of their teams. I dont know why you guys whine so much but this draft was the first draft that we hardly reached at all other than DHB. You read the scouting report on each of the guys after DHB and Mitchell, they were taken where the scouting report predicted.
Rookies will always take a long time. Matt Shaughnese, Slade, Stryker, Murphy, Brands, and Joseph are all over achievers on their teams. They are team oriented guys and not a bunch of 1 year wonder like Jerry Porter. We used to take atheletes like Michael Johnson.
The one guy that I wished we had was Gilbert. I think Chicago stole that one.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:22 am
I havent heard this all weekend but is safe to compare DHB to another Raider Wideout???
Ashley Lelie ran 4.3 40 6′3″ 200 lbs.
college stats
in 24 games he had 158 recs. 2823 yds. and 30 td’s
DHB ran 4.3 is 6′2″ 203 lbs
138 recs 2,089 yards and 13 td’s
idk.. what do you guys think?
April 27th, 2009 at 12:23 am
Remember how Al used to gamble on guys like Carlos Francis, Gabriel, and Morant…guys that had measurements but yet to live up to their potentials…we didnt do that this year. I am not a fan of DHB in the first round but this draft made so much sense to me.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:26 am
and being compared to Lelie isnt a bad thing… or is it?
April 27th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Lelie is a bust. BUT Lelie played in a spread system dont forget that. Ratface should have known that Lelie should have had much better production if he was that good.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:30 am
I will even add Ronald Curry to that list of projects for Al. Now we go out and get real football players that has the right attitude and character to get rid of that losing culture and you guys whine!
April 27th, 2009 at 12:33 am
Alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Lelie is a bust. BUT Lelie played in a spread system dont forget that. Ratface should have known that Lelie should have had much better production if he was that good.
I believe he played a 2 tightend system before june jones… dont quote me on that. i could be wrong… its ok to be wrong at least once in your life right?
April 27th, 2009 at 12:36 am
Hell no, Jones was there from 99-07. Lelie drafted in 2002.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:38 am
I gotta give Cable love. He lets Al gets his way in the first round then convinces Al to do it right after that. Good job Cable. We finally stopped picking basketball players and hoping they’d be receivers.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:55 am
What happened? I must have passed out awhile ago….I thought I heard us take DHB instead of Crabtree…….what the…..(THUD)…ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
April 27th, 2009 at 1:13 am
1. “We should have drafted Crabtree”
Instead of looking at the wide receivers in a vacuum and just ranking them generally, focus on the Raiders specifically and what they really need. Does anybody know how much money the Raiders have invested in JaMarcus Russell and Darren McFadden? I know it’s a ton. To make all that money worth it, it was IMPERATIVE that the Raiders get a true deep threat. No matter how the experts rank the receivers, all of them will agree that DHB is the ELITE deep threat, not just a guy who runs fast.
I made this analogy before. If a baseball team needs a #4 hitter, it goes out and gets Mark McGwire, not Tony Gwynn. You can argue until you’re blue in the face about how great a hitter Tony Gwynn is and what a great batting average he’ll put up, and nobody will disagree with you. But if you’re in the market for a cleanup hitter, you pass on Gwynn and take Mark McGwire (btw, shows you how long it’s been since I’ve paid attention to baseball). Obviously the best case scenario would be to get the best of both worlds (e.g. Calvin Johnson), but even if Calvin Johnson were in this draft he wouldn’t be available at 1.7 anyway.
Anybody who understands the Raiders’ offensive philosopy (whether they agree with it or not) has to recognize that it’s predicated on a strong armed quarterback and a deep threat wideout. The deep threat takes the defense’s fastest CB and a FS out of the picture to protect against the long bomb and makes the rest of the defense play back a little bit, which in turn open things up for a fast running back (McFadden), slot receiver (Higgins), and tight end (Miller). That was (one of) the main problems last year — Ronald Curry, Javon Walker, Ashlie Lelie couldn’t open things up. Once these guys were ditched and Higgins and Schillens started, the offense started scoring.
I guarantee you that Crabtree will have more receptions that DHB. I will also gaurantee you that the Raiders score more points this year than the 49ers.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:14 am
2. “We should have traded down.”
That’s the same thing EVERY team drafting in the top ten was saying. Don’t people follow NFL trends? The problem is the bonus/salary requirements in the top ten are so out of whack that nobody wants to trade into the top ten. This isn’t like the olden days. This argument of “you should have traded down,” in light of the realities, is like telling me I should have married a famous supermodel. Yes, I certainly agree I should have. But if there’s not a famous supermodel out there wanting to marry me, it’s not going to happen. So am I an idiot for not marrying the famous supermodel?
That’s what this argument comes down to. Mark Sanchez was the only player anyone would have traded up for, and when the Jet/Browns trade happened, that was it. The Jags were desparate to trade out of thee #8 spot but found no takers. If anybody wanted Crabtree, the Jags were more than willing to trade the pick. Nobody wanted it. Same with Eugene Monroe. Except for rare circumstances (e.g., Sanchez), teams recognize they can still get a great player without moving into the really high priced real estate. All you have to do is google “nfl rookie salaries” and you’ll see that trading out of the top ten is easier said than done.
Moreover, the fact that the Jags passed on Crabtree says a lot about Crabtree. The Jags receiving corps is abysmal, probably worse than ours. They got rid of Matt Jones, Reggie Williams, and Jerry Porter. That leaves their top WR as Dennis Northcut, who days ago received the good news that a judge threw out part of the lawsuit against Northcutt for having his bodyguard beat the hell out of his pregnant ex-girlfriend face. So if the Jags passed on Crabtree under these conditions, maybe Crabtree isn’t the greatest thing on earth after all.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:14 am
3. “We should have drafted OL, even if not with the first pick.”
people seem to forget that Tom Cable runs a zone-blocking scheme. A zone blocking scheme does not require blowing picks on elite linemen. That’s one of its main benefits. The Broncos are the obvious example. Look at their drafts over the years and how much importance they place on drafting OL (this is from Shanahan on).
1994 – G-7th
1995 – T-4th
1996 – G-7th
1997 – G-3rd
1998 – T-7th
1999 – C-2nd
2000 – G-4th (Cooper Carlisle, btw)
2001 – C-4th
2002 – none
2003 – C-5th, T-1st (G.Foster, huge mistake)
2004 – none
2005 – G-6th
2006 – G-5th
To sum up, over a 13-year period:
OT – total of three, a 1st (bust), 4th, and 7th.
OG – total of six, a 3rd, a 4th, a 5th, a 6th, two 7ths
C – total of three, a 2nd, a 4th, and a 5th
So over 13 years, a total of three OL in first three rounds.
A zone blocking scheme is about finding the right guys, not drafting the top players. Brining in Cooper Carlisle, picking up Samson Satile and Kaliff Barnes, all at low cost.
The question is whether we have someone to protect JaMarcus’ blind side. Mario Henderson was a 3rd rd pick with a lot of upside and during his limited opportunity he showed he could. Kaliff Barnes was a 2nd rd pick and highly regarded.
I don’t know jack shht about evaluating OL, but I believe Tom Cable does (despite his believe that Kwame Harris would flourish over here).
Point is: we did upgrade our OL through trades and FA with talented young players who Cable believes will do well in the ZBL. I hope he’s right. Looking at Denver’s success with the ZBL and they way they ignored the OL during the draft for all those years compels me to give Cable the benefit of the doubt. I see no reason to cry the sky is falling.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:26 am
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April 27th, 2009 at 2:24 am
i really think DHB= Lelie
April 27th, 2009 at 2:27 am
guys the raiders stink! they always will stink , al davis thought john elway was in this draft get over it , maybe they’ll make the raiders a high school team , anytime raiders nation wants to see a real team tune into the patriots atleast 99% of the games wont be blacked out
April 27th, 2009 at 2:27 am
guys the raiders stink! they always will stink , al davis thought john elway was in this draft get over it , maybe they’ll make the raiders a high school team , anytime raiders nation wants to see a real team tune into the patriots atleast 99% of the games wont be blacked out
April 27th, 2009 at 2:34 am
The guy we just signed from Harvard looks like he could be a stud.
Maybe there WAS a plan to grab Frantz Joseph and Harvard guy as FA’s and address the rest of our needs in the draft.
1) The WR’s we have SHOULD be able to produce now and stretch the field for our running game and let JaMarcus air it out.
2) We got several guys who could emerge at DE. At least one of them should contribute.
3) We got a second blocking TE.
4) and now a MLM and DT who could pan out.
Crazy draft, but it looks like we actually have a plan!
NOW if our OL can get the job done, we are in position to improve.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:01 am
im not sure if i read the Cable Q&A right on the previous post, but did he say that he and Al both went away and prepared a draft list and they both came back with DHB in the first and mitchell in the second???
If so, i find that almost impossible and am never believing another thing he says
April 27th, 2009 at 3:04 am
10 Things I think Peter King should write but won’t:
1. This was the weakest draft class for a decade – only two half-decent junior QBs, no outstanding RBs, no top quality Dlinemen, no decent CBs, etc.
2. Darrius Heywood-Bey is a reach but he has much more upside than all the other WRs. Maclin is an after-the-catch runner but not a No1. Crabtree has talent but he also has some bad attitudes – he could be another TO. Given the Raiders wanted a deep threat to complement Schillens and JLH, DHB was the best option.
3. Mike Mitchell is another risk but he has the physical gifts and the attitude. The fact that the Bears were very keen, given their D credibility, suggests that this kid has a chance. And he and Branch are going to dish out some punishment.
4. Louis Murphy may turn out to be one of the great steals of the 2009 draft. Good size, good hands, good attitude. He will make the roster and I think he will lock down the No3 WR slot for many years. DHB, Murphy, Schillens, Higgins and, if he is fit, Arman Shields. That is a very young, inexperienced but very talented WR corps. Bye bye Walker, Holland and Watkins.
5. Cable is okay with the Oline. We have better depth at OT (Barnes, Henderson, Pears, Green), OG (Gallery, Carlisle, Marten and McQuistan) and Wade and Satele are solid at Center. I am sure that if Cable really wanted another OT, Al would not have objected. Passing on Monroe was a surprise but he would only have fallen to us because of these doubts about his durability. No point otherwise in wasting a pick if there were no vacancies.
6. Brandon Myers was a sensible pick. We needed a credible 2nd TE (Stewart is a Special Teams standout but a very average backup) to give Miller some company and us the option of more 2xTE plays.
7. We are very inexperienced at DE – particularly if Burgess is being managed out. Cable must be really confident that Richardson, Scott and Gunheim can all make big contributions.
8. Sulak, Shaughnessy are going to have to excel on special teams if they want to make the 53 – otherwise its the practice squad. Competition for roster places is going to be hot – and the rivalry for the starting SAM spot could also be fierce.
9. Good to see we have already grabbed three decent FAs. Frantz Joseph gives us another option to back-up Morrison, Desmond Byrant (DT) and BYUs David Nixon. We found Louis Rankin in FA last year and there are still gems to be mined.
10. The bottom line is that this draft makes us stronger but, success next season depends on four things: JR leading a credible passing game, DMC and Bush becoming a dominant running game, our defense stopping the run and us continuing to excel on special teams.
Peter King will never say it. The Raiders are still in a better position to have a winning season than at anytime in the past six years.
Chin up, guys.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:15 am
I like the sound of franz joseph.
…Possesses one of the most ferocious punches in the country; slams the pads of linemen when attacking the run….
…Despite his size, he packs a wallop attacking interior blockers…
A sure tackler at middle linebaker who can get off blocks.
Getting him eases some of the pain at missing out on Brinkley
April 27th, 2009 at 3:24 am
We play the Niners in San Francisco for our second preseason game. Crabtree vs. Heyward-Bey.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:29 am
# jhill Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Players I hope we replaced today
WR – Javon Walker
S – Hiram Eugene
DE – Derrick Burgess
WR – Ashlie Lelie
LB – Sam Williams
LB – Marquis Cooper (RIP)
TE – Tony Stewart
LB – Jon Condo
DT – Terdell Sands
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cant argue with most of that list, though Tony Stewart is a beast on ST… But Condo, i simply cant understand, he is one of the leagues best LS, he more or less one 2 games singlehandedly for us last season, him and Alston… So, no i do NOT want him replaced!
April 27th, 2009 at 3:31 am
Cable: It did. The one thing we had to do was get about three, four key players in free agency and we’re actually stared on that already. When we get done here I’ll go get involved in that. That’s really a key thing for us. I still think we need to find a fullback, maybe another tight end, defensive tackle. Those things jump at me right away. In terms of addressing that in the draft, in some ways we did other than the fullback and the defensive tackle thing but those weren’t priority draft things. They were there if we could do it late, if the right guy was there. If not, we’d go to priority free agents.
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Why the hell didnt you sign, Robert Royal and Leonard weaver? now we get some smuck that cant do anything!!
April 27th, 2009 at 3:40 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
It looks like Cable went out and got his type players.In Cable I trust.I like Shaunessy and that Norris kid,they have 41.5 sacks in 2 years.Plus F.Joseph at MLB and Mitchell at safety we just may move up to maybe 15th vs the run.Remember these are the type players Cable wanted,and Cable can get the most out of his players.I cant wait 2C how these guys work out.Yep ,imo we got players,real players
April 27th, 2009 at 3:45 am
One thing Cable can is sell =) when he gets fired “For Cause” he should become a used cars salesman…
after sleeping a short nights sleep, i have come to terms with the draft… even the invalid Matt Shaunassy, as long he never speaks to the press again, i might accept him one day =) LOL, you know?
Huff seems done, he is a me-first guy, and it seems like CC wants to get rid of those… my kid Branch as FS, Mike Mithcell SS… I still say let Huff be a CB or trade him in a package with Walter and Fargas…
If Javon gets cut, who will be their mentor, it gotta be the youngest WR corp in the league, which can be great, but still makes it a bit shaky…
If this Joseph dude is IT, then fine, have my doubts though, we sorely need a REAL MLB, Morrison is an OLB…
lastly, that CC wants to find a DT, and that he does not think our DTs delivered last year, eases me a bit..
I still find our team a scrapheap team, but as i said, I come to terms with it. I assume Al and CC has a plan, and that plan is not to be a winning team the next 3 years, no quick fixes, i can live with that, its like a big supertanker, takes time to turn, something that is this wrong, round to something good, great comes later..
April 27th, 2009 at 3:45 am
LMN,
Totally agree about Condo. One of the best LS in the league and a great ST player. Unsung hero.
Stewart is going to be under pressure, not only from Myers but from Darrell Strong. We won’t carry 4 TEs and if Strong can match Stewart on ST, then Strong may make the 53 – he is bigger, quicker and younger.
The same applies to Alston – he now has fierce competition and his place in the 53 must be under renewed threat.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:48 am
4eva…
yeah but you also liked Darnell bing, so I have my doubts about these guys, they seemed talked up…
I like the Mike Mitchell, but Norris and Shaunysee i have big doubts about, but i will wait to give final say until first report from camp..
Morning btw…
April 27th, 2009 at 3:53 am
Scottish..
true!, so true, its great than Alston and Stewart gets pushed… that said I rather keep Alston than Stewart..
Strong and the Myers Kid, would be nice to see them push him out…
Alston, him on the otherhand, I would love to keep on ST, and the new ones, might get his spot solely to justify their pick
April 27th, 2009 at 3:54 am
Scottish…
good midday to you, sir =)
April 27th, 2009 at 4:02 am
The thing about a draft is that in the weeks leading up to it you figure and re-figure who the Raiders should get and when the Raiders don’t do what you suggest, they’re obviously stupid and you get some people wishing Al would die and Norco Bob wanting Heyward-Bey’s plane to crash when it lands in Oakland.
The “experts” are giving us a C- in the draft but that’s stupid too because you can’t evaluate a draft until a couple of years later.
When we drafted Asomugha in 2003 the “experts” said “to pick him at #31 in the first was a significant reach…” The “experts” gave the individual drafting of Asomugha a “C”.
So how did we do in this draft?
Heyward-Bey is one of the three best receivers in the draft-according to the “experts”. He’s a gamble that could pay off big with Russell’s arm. This guy could work really well for Russell with Miller, McFadden, Chaz or JLH on the field. He fits if the gamble pays off.
Then we got Mitchell, Murphy and Myers.
I like all three of these picks.
Mitchell: Chicago wanted Mitchell for good reason. This guy is fast,strong, has great footwork, hits like Tatum and really zeroes in on the ball carrier. He’s also very good against the run. Plus, we needed to fill the hole left by Wilson.
Murphy: Cable didn’t actually want another receiver but couldn’t pass this guy up. People were suprised he was still there. He is a solid receiver, a definite player. He could be for trading. Keep him and get rid of Walker.
Myers: Espn is now saying that the word is that this guy is a steal. He is a solid tight end,big, strong and an outstanding blocker. We needed this
this guy to free up Miller. Miller spends too much time blocking for Russell when he could be catching the ball.
We also got defensive players-
Stryker Sulak. This guy is probably average but he’s good at going after the ball and big on sacks.
Shaughnessy. This guy is probably average. I hope he plays faster than he thinks.
Slade Norris. This guy is probably average too but Cable’s connections in Oregon might know something about him.
In any event all three of these guys give us more to work with.
After all, when we entered the draft we only had three picks.
Also, it kind of seems that Cable thinks we already have some players on defense. In the interview with Cable that Jerry gave us Cable said, for the second time, in talking about the defense “I think we’ve got to coach better”. He was talking about Ryan not Marshall.
Apart from speed, the players picked all have one thing in common that we need in the locker room: character.
We don’t seem to have anyone with an attitude here.
We probably didn’t want to draft some players for reasons of attitude. Rey’s history of unacceptable incidents is impressive. Then we have the rumors about Raji. When it comes to Crabtree, this guy thinks he’s Moss without playing one NFL game and has a really big entourage. Maclin has many people asking questions.
Finally, Cable liked the team that he had at the end of the season. In the last three games we were playing well. We were not supposed to beat either Houston or Tampa Bay.
We kept that team, although we lost Wilson, and we even signed Asomugha and Lechler.
We just added Mitchell, Murphy and Myers to what we had and I like all three. The rest(of the players) are gravy since we only had three picks anyway.
We are clearly still not done since Fargas and Huff were up for trade on the weekend. With apologies to NMF, I really don’t want to trade Gargas. I just want him to alternate with Bush.
When last year ended we had a team of young,very talented players that were coming together. We didn’t lose anyone in this draft, we added to the team that beat Tampa Bay.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:12 am
ENGLANDRAIDER, faultless analysis.
I totally agree that Crabtree smells of trouble. His ego is going to get punctured by Singletery – and their will be trouble ‘cross Bay.
The problem with Fargas is simply that Louis Rankin is going to push him hard for the 3rd RB roster spot. I think Rankin could be a real diamond. It would therefore be sensible to see if we could trade Fargas for something. Same with Huff, same with Walter.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:23 am
LMN,I was hoping 2 get a DT too but oh-well.To me the best thing about football is “building” the team.This was CC’s 1st draft,some players I had’nt heard of but I dont evaluate players 4 a living.With ALL the BS of last year,CC still got all he could out of his team.Now we have 2 DE’s that are supposed to play the run,and get after the QB.To me it seems we drafted for need straight down the line,but still I would have liked a DT.Big Al and CC had diffrent ideas.CANT WAIT TILL CAMP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 4:24 am
Scottish Raider:
I return the compliment. Your posts are always good whereas my mind tend to digress. Good point about Rankin. I don’t think we actually need to keep Fargas because of his playing ability only, I really like his attitude as well. Attitude in the locker room has been one of the things holding us up for the last three years. I think that’s why Cable likes Fargas.
It sounds though as if they might be trying to trade Fargas and Huff as a package. We should also trade Walter along with his attitude. How about division rival Denver? They really need a quarterback and McDaniels is the kind of guy that Al loves to trade
with. Denver gave us Warren let’s return the favor.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:25 am
Good day LMN, 4Eva
4Eva, looks like Al is more of a gambler than we thought.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:28 am
The idea of Singletary, with those eyes of his, telling Crabtree that the deal is might be worth watching. I just hope Singletary keeps his pants up.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:34 am
Draft Roster:
1. Russell (QB)
2. Garcia (QB)
3. Gradkowski (QB)
4. McFadden (RB)
5. Bush (RB)
6. Rankin or Fargas(RB)
7. O’Neal (FB)
8. Lawton or Reece (FB)
9. Z.Miller (TE)
10. Myers (TE)
11. Strong or Stewart(TE)
12. Henderson (OT)
13. Barnes (OT)
14. Pears (OT)
15. Green or Marten (OT)
16. Gallery (OG)
17. Carlisle (OG)
18. McQuistan (OG)
19. M.Wilson (OG)
20. Satele (C)
21. Wade (C)
22. Heywood-Bey (WR)
23. Schillens (WR)
24. Murphy (WR)
25. Higgins (WR/PR)
26. Shields or Walker (WR)
27. Asomugha (CB)
28. Johnson (CB)
29. Routt (CB)
30. J. Miller (CB/KR)
31. Branch (S)
32. Mitchell (S)
33. Eugene (S)
34. Huff (S)
35. Morrison (LB)
36. Howard (LB)
37. Brown (LB)
38. Alston (LB)
39. Norris or Williams (LB)
40. Ekejuiba (LB)
41. Burgess (DE)
42. Scott (DE)
43. Gunheim (DE)
44. Richardson (DE)
45. Sulak (DE)
46. Shaughnessy (DE)
47. Kelly (DT)
48. Warren (DT)
49. Sands (DT)
50. Boschetti (DT)
51. Condo (LS)
52. Lechler (P)
53. Janikowski (K)
April 27th, 2009 at 4:34 am
Always liked that about Big Al;take a chance and LET IT ROLL!!!!!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 4:35 am
LET ‘ER RIP!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 4:38 am
And I still hope Mauricio Lopez can make it 2 the 53 man roster.At 6′-1″ 329lbs he could be the run stuffer we need a DT
April 27th, 2009 at 4:39 am
It’s raining in England. Actually, we just a week of pretty sunny weather.I’m not sure if that’s a record.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:42 am
the DHB thing really is okay with me, now – at least, wanted anything but a WR, but at least its NOT crabtree, which I feared was trouble, and then add his foot injury..
the 2 DE’s still where i really got pissed, but now after a nights sleep, I said to myself, “what did you expect dummy?” so it is, better live with it, just hard when we had two really really great drafts, and now are back to riskiness =)
April 27th, 2009 at 4:42 am
fog on the Barrow Downs
April 27th, 2009 at 4:44 am
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 4:39 am
It’s raining in England. Actually, we just a week of pretty sunny weather.I’m not sure if that’s a record.
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we have had really really hot and beautiful weather for over 18 days…
Today its even better, im gonna leave early and go drink with the guys today again and look at the girls tiny dresses =)
April 27th, 2009 at 4:47 am
I’m not sure about Sulak but Shaunessy,Sulak and Norris have like 60 or more sacks in last 2 years.To me their 40 times or height/weight dont mean anything,these guys get after the ball.They’re very busy tuff-nosed kids and I am REALLY excited 2C what they can do!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 4:48 am
hell Sulak caused 14 forced fumbles last year alone
April 27th, 2009 at 4:49 am
You Danes have to stop hogging all the good weather. Send some over here.
What are you drinking LMN. Carlsburg? Stella?
April 27th, 2009 at 4:51 am
4Eva:
You’re right they do go after the ball especially Sulak. Here’s hoping for a lot of fumble recoveries.
Stryker Sulak is a great name for a Raider. My previous favorite name was Otis Sistrunk from the University of Mars.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:53 am
NEVER EVER STELLA, yuck, ghetto beer…
I can drink Carlsberg, mostly because its all over the place =)
I prefer, Murphys, Kilkinny, New Castle Brown Ale.. but lately i found some Ciders that i like too, they are great to end the night with, then you dont get hangovers =) but of course that only in the weekends..
and I would love to share teh weahter, but I fear if it touches your shores, yo send rain towards us =)
April 27th, 2009 at 4:54 am
fastest WR’s ever assembled on a team,#10 rushing attack with Bush and Dmac getting lots of touches.To me it looks like our O is gonna score lots of points and grind it out smash-mouth.The AFC West is up 4 grabs and we added from last year.We got some real tuff games comming and we got some young athletic players.Man I got everlasting hope!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 4:55 am
Sulak is quick, aggressive, a good pass rusher and real good at forcing fumbles.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:59 am
so what would yo do if you were an OC, RUN, Run and run… i really dont get what we need all these pass-rushers for?!
April 27th, 2009 at 5:00 am
Carlesberg huh.
Actually that’s good beer. Beers like Stella have so much alchohol that they ruin the taste of the beer.
My brother-in-law swears by the bitter Boddington’s.
A Guinness is nice once in while, but pretty fattening. If you plan on drinking much, it’s a good idea to start with a Guinness. It gives you help with your future hangover.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:02 am
Mike Mitchell looks and plays like a Bob Sanders…ONLY BIGGER!
When you see his hits, guys just go completely DEAD on impact! It is eerie actually. Check their legs when he hits them.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:04 am
In this draft I’m disappointed that wedidn’t get Mack but Satelle is probably an improvement over what we had.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:05 am
Kilkenny, and Murphys, ohh and btw Mmmmmmmm Cafreys, thats my favorite, i love that one, dont know why i forgot it !?
carlsberg only if the rest isnt available, thats if we talk from the tab, Carlsberg is great on can or bottle if you are going to a party at someones or to sit in the park…
April 27th, 2009 at 5:06 am
Shaunessy can also play the run.He’s from the Big-10 where its alot of smash-mouth.Thats why we took him plays well vs run AND a good pass-rusher.If he puts on 10 lbs,he will be the same size as Howie
April 27th, 2009 at 5:06 am
I really like Mitchell. Looks to be fast and strong. I agree about the way he hits although we need to consider the quality of the players on that video that he’s knocking around. Boy, does he put them down!
What else would you expect from a student of Tatum.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:07 am
# BabySlash Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:02 am
Mike Mitchell looks and plays like a Bob Sanders…ONLY BIGGER!
When you see his hits, guys just go completely DEAD on impact! It is eerie actually. Check their legs when he hits them.
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true, but those clips also show that the opponent was not exact good, so its on pretty hollow background, I still say he is the one with the biggest upside though!
April 27th, 2009 at 5:08 am
england..
exactly…
April 27th, 2009 at 5:09 am
both DE’s are said 2 contain very well,something Burgess NEVER did vs run
April 27th, 2009 at 5:10 am
Murphys I like.
There was a time when British hospitals gave their patients a bottle of stout, usually Guinness, every day to help them recuperate.
Now that’s forward thinking medicine.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:11 am
and like I said Sulak forced 14 fumbles last year WOOW He must be in the back-field alot disrupting the hand-off too
April 27th, 2009 at 5:12 am
LMN…yeah Mitchell knocked out some chumps. But from playing football myself for many years, I know that hitting is something that is inside the body. Bob Sanders is a perfect example of this.
From a physical standpoint if you are a safety who is 220 lbs and can run a 4.4 and create enertia and have a hitting mentality they ALL go down hard!
April 27th, 2009 at 5:13 am
Mitchell must have a good agent. That Youtube video is a smart piece of production. Mitchell was really moving up in the last three weeks but apparently only Al, Cable and the Chicago Bears noticed him.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:13 am
LMN the real question about Mitchell is….will he be in POSITION to knock people out. That is just pure football instinct. The mentality and physical tools are there.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:14 am
AND!!! We got some REAL competition at WR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 5:15 am
ENGLAND yeah the YouTube thing is good. But can’t you just see how well Mitchell moves? The fluid moves and reaction? The power?
April 27th, 2009 at 5:17 am
I’ve never seen a guy who sticks people like that in my life. Not even Tatum.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:18 am
We play the Niners in a pre-game. This is a great opportunity to see how well Mitchell hits.
Mitchell, we want you to hit Crabtree really hard-just to see if he really is Moss as he thinks he is.
I can just see Crabtree on the sidelines, telling Singletary what to do, Singletary looking back at him with that stare he’s got.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:19 am
slash…
so true, i played a bit safety myself, and you got to love to HURT somebody to really make the real hit…
I started playing RB, but my knees couldn’t handle the twist and turns, so Coach made me a TE, that went okay, but my hands are way to small =) and we had one who was better, I asked Caoch that he should use him, and if he had an idea where i could fit..
because I knew about the offensive side of the ball, he meant i was able to play safety, and that was where i had most success…
Not that it was anything compared to a college team, but still, I know what you mean, you really need to have it, and I was lucky because I knew where the O was going most of the time, so I could time it rather easy =)
April 27th, 2009 at 5:19 am
Put a bounty on Crabtree!!!!!!!!
By the way, great quote by Cable…”We don’t want any crazies on our team”. The only crazies we need are the guys who froth at the mouth and want to destroy. Not primadonnas like Craptree.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:21 am
# 4evaRaider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:14 am
AND!!! We got some REAL competition at WR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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only if the big one, is willing to can those who doesnt compete… by that i mean Javon, Lelie..
April 27th, 2009 at 5:22 am
LMN> I’ve noticed that a lot of guys are starting to throw the Football around in parks in DK.
They have to learn street ball “etiquette” and throw the rock to a strange guy who runs a route! They try to act too cool, even when they all throw the ball like a girl ha ha
April 27th, 2009 at 5:22 am
BabySlash:
Yes, I agree. I really like the guy. There is a question about the quality of the people he’s hitting but the guy is really zeroes in on the ball carrier and hits them hard. They don’t look to get up right away.
He’s big, strong, has good footwork and is just lasered in on that ball.
Best of all, he’s very good at stopping the run.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:24 am
LMN yeaaaaah you gotta love to dish out pain as a player. My neck is like Jim Otto’s knees because I used my helmet as a weapon for so many years ha ha
April 27th, 2009 at 5:24 am
Hey what up this is the Raiders we take crazies as long as you can play don’t ever say we don’t take craziez where would we be without the Ben Davidson,Alzado,Tatum,Stabler,Romo and of course the great TUZ
April 27th, 2009 at 5:25 am
Damn 4evs did they take any of you’re guys ?
April 27th, 2009 at 5:25 am
# BabySlash Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:22 am
LMN> I’ve noticed that a lot of guys are starting to throw the Football around in parks in DK.
They have to learn street ball “etiquette” and throw the rock to a strange guy who runs a route! They try to act too cool, even when they all throw the ball like a girl ha ha
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most of them cant even hold the ball properly..
April 27th, 2009 at 5:25 am
ENGLAND…Who would you have rather had at our number 2 pick if not Mitchell? And who would you rather have at SS if you had your choice from this year’s draft?
April 27th, 2009 at 5:26 am
I hope mitchell/branch are starting by time the season begins and if not and it’s huff then NOMOREHUFF will be born.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:27 am
Yes indeed, we only want our kind of crazies-like Matusak.
Most of the people we got have speed but also character in common.
Cable, and Kiffin before him, has been trying to change that me-first rather than team first attitude that we’ve been living with for six years.
Cable had that in mind when he drafted and apparently so did Denver.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:28 am
# BabySlash Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:24 am
LMN yeaaaaah you gotta love to dish out pain as a player. My neck is like Jim Otto’s knees because I used my helmet as a weapon for so many years ha ha
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LOL, i shouldnt play football, because im a tiny little satan, but i was to wild when we played soccer, so football seemed a bitter fit…
I used to be fast, now im just slow and old =) but then i was a bit mean, loved to use the knees , when you landed on the guys =)
generally to tackle low was my niche, they then made a salto, i loved that =)
April 27th, 2009 at 5:28 am
# 4evaRaider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:11 am
and like I said Sulak forced 14 fumbles last year WOOW He must be in the back-field alot disrupting the hand-off too
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That caught my eye too 4eva plus that is an amazing last name for football. “Oh Sulak absolutely crushed Tomlinson and caused that fumble”!
April 27th, 2009 at 5:29 am
put HB directly into the FIRE.Bey starts day 1 and never looks back =)
April 27th, 2009 at 5:29 am
yep =)
April 27th, 2009 at 5:30 am
I still hate Romo, I never understood why or how a raider fan could like him!?
April 27th, 2009 at 5:31 am
NoMoreFargas…in today’s NFL with the salary cap and HUGE bucks on the line, crazies are way too risky!
April 27th, 2009 at 5:32 am
NoMoreFargas Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:25 am
Damn 4evs did they take any of you’re guys
NOPE,prolly just as well =)
April 27th, 2009 at 5:33 am
Babyslash:
I wanted us to draft down and target Mack
Actually, I’m good with the pick of Mitchell. This guy could be starting and I’m for any guy who hits like Tatum and is so dead on the ball all the time.
Also, we needed someone to replace Wilson and it wasn’t going to be Huff.
I’m also real happy with Murphy and Myers. Murphy shouldn’t have been there. He’s good. Even ESPN is now saying that Myers is a steal. This guy is big, strong and a great blocker. He frees up Miller to catch the ball from Russell.
We got three solid picks. We only had three picks to start with and all the rest are gravy.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:36 am
All this talk of beer has got me thirsty.
I’m off to the pub for a Ploughman’s Lunch and a pint of Carlsberg.
One of these days I’m going to open up a chain of fast food restaurants all over the US that sell only the Ploughman’s Lunch.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:37 am
all i wanted WR Robiskie, when that didnt happen, I wanted C Antoine Caldwell… so I dont think any fans got a player they wanted =)
April 27th, 2009 at 5:39 am
England Raider…
LOL great, drink away, Carlsberg/Denmark could always use some extra cash =)
April 27th, 2009 at 5:41 am
ENGLAND…Since Mack went at the 21st pick, I would have been bummed out to take him so high.
I would rather have traded down and taken Bey. But what the hay, we have him now. Let’s hope our coaches do their job.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:42 am
awwwwwwww I got the best boss!
he just put on ‘Cant Find My Way Home’ turned up the volume and said we would be able to go an hour earlier than expected =) he was thirsty himself =) LOL
April 27th, 2009 at 5:44 am
If Bey boy comes through we are going to be GOOD on O this year. No doubt about that.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:44 am
# BabySlash Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:41 am
ENGLAND…Since Mack went at the 21st pick, I would have been bummed out to take him so high.
I would rather have traded down and taken Bey. But what the hay, we have him now. Let’s hope our coaches do their job.
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well EnglandRAIDER said draft down/trade down, that would have meant we would have got some 3rds or anything, and picked mack around the 19th or something like it…
all I DIDNT want was a WR in 1st round =)
April 27th, 2009 at 5:45 am
cant find my way home—the House of Lords version???
April 27th, 2009 at 5:46 am
# BabySlash Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:44 am
If Bey boy comes through we are going to be GOOD on O this year. No doubt about that.
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I have my doubts, barnes needs to hold a guy for 4secs, and DHB needs to be free to make a catch…
but my greatest fear still is how the hell will we be able to stop the run!?
April 27th, 2009 at 5:46 am
Hopefully the Trafic version!
April 27th, 2009 at 5:47 am
# 4evaRaider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:45 am
cant find my way home—the House of Lords version???
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blind faith version… he is an old one, my boss =)
April 27th, 2009 at 5:48 am
LMN who would have we have drafted to help us stop the run?
Would Ron Brace or BJ Raji have come in and had an immediate impact and been a clear upgrade over Kelly, Warren and Sands? I doubt it!
Would Rey or Brinkey been better than Morrison this year? Doubt it.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:49 am
oh yeah Blind Faith..not Trafic ha ha
April 27th, 2009 at 5:49 am
We are in trouble. Heres to another double-digit losing season!
April 27th, 2009 at 5:52 am
I see no way that we are worse than last year! We will be better without a doubt. Maybe not 500% but we’ll improve. We have improved. More linemen, no more Harris. Henderson is improving.
Branch and hopefully Mitchell will improve our DB rotation. More DE’s and LB’s that have a chance to improve the play and make an impact. Trevor Scott has a chance to be better. Take it easy.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:53 am
Last year we had the WORST WR’s in the NFL. We just added 2 good prospects and perhaps Shields will kick in. 3 potential new guys who are studs. Not that bad really.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:55 am
Another positive thing. If we don’t lose any key players, then next year we go after OL and DL and that’s it!!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 5:57 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S, 4EVA L M N ,ALL THE USUAL SUSPECT’S,GOOD TO SEE EVERYONE AGREE’S WITH THE PICK’S…..
April 27th, 2009 at 5:58 am
well maybe Raji, brace or anybody, but drafting sack machines and pass-rushers will never stop the run, thats pretty obvious…
I really dont care how they address it just that they did, its our NUMBER ONE problem, but we need a run-stopping MLB, to help the line, that was really something i wanted…
bwahahah yawns and sighs from the office, i took my boss’ number and raised it with *back in black* LOL the girls hate us when we get in this mode =)
April 27th, 2009 at 5:59 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
I don’t know who we drafted in th 7th….but
AM Crew, what’s up guys? Really short handed today, so I’ll check in and out…gotta get coffee…
April 27th, 2009 at 5:59 am
Dirtlot…
LOL, good morning… agree with the picks?? what ahve you been eating? I accept them, i have come to terms with them, but hell no i DO NOT agree with them…
April 27th, 2009 at 6:00 am
HwnRdr…
we didnt draft any in round 7, we traded up to 6th and took a TE, named Myers..
April 27th, 2009 at 6:02 am
# BabySlash Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:52 am
I see no way that we are worse than last year! We will be better without a doubt. Maybe not 500% but we’ll improve. We have improved. More linemen, no more Harris. Henderson is improving.
Branch and hopefully Mitchell will improve our DB rotation. More DE’s and LB’s that have a chance to improve the play and make an impact. Trevor Scott has a chance to be better. Take it easy.
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no we are not worse, but you said GOOD!!, we are not no where near good! i say 6-7 wins… and that would be fantastic!
April 27th, 2009 at 6:03 am
LMN be specific. Who would you have taken and when?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:06 am
babyslash…
I cant! all i know its silly to pick pass-rushers, when your team is notorious for not being able to stop the run… I wanted a run stopping MLB,
April 27th, 2009 at 6:07 am
We just got a MLB as FA…Franze! hæ hæ
April 27th, 2009 at 6:07 am
i feel we went out and bought some flashy alu-rims to a car that cant drive… its just silly
April 27th, 2009 at 6:09 am
WAS JUST BEING A SMART AZZ L M N,HAVE NEVER SEEN A MORE DEVIDED CROWD IN MY SPORT’S FAN DAY’S.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:09 am
LMN Stryker Sulak played some MLB. It might be the plan to try him there.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:09 am
babyS..
yeah, and as i said I hope he is IT, though i doubt it… but Morrison is not a MLB he is a OLB at best..
April 27th, 2009 at 6:10 am
Stryker Sulak at MLB instead of “Jason Richards”
April 27th, 2009 at 6:10 am
Well we sucked against the run last year but we didn’t exactly set the world on fire with sacks.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:10 am
# BabySlash Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:09 am
LMN Stryker Sulak played some MLB. It might be the plan to try him there.
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yeah I read Cable talk about that, thats why i say when Cable is fired “For Cause” he should be a used cars salesman, he makes you believe all the shyt the Alameda crew is spewing =) LOL
hopefully, we NEED a MLB
April 27th, 2009 at 6:11 am
LMN Morrison may not be the best MLB …who do you see as being better than him and is AVAILABLE?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:12 am
# NoMoreFargas Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:10 am
Well we sucked against the run last year but we didn’t exactly set the world on fire with sacks.
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well that rather obvious, when they just could ran over us all day, no need for them to be in pass-mode
April 27th, 2009 at 6:14 am
# BabySlash Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:11 am
LMN Morrison may not be the best MLB …who do you see as being better than him and is AVAILABLE?
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well i wanted Curtis Lofton last season!
April 27th, 2009 at 6:14 am
It’s easy to piss and moan about stuff that should be fixed. But let’s hear some possible solutions that were ignored by the Raiders before we get too jacked up.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:16 am
LMN Last year is history. Tell me how it could have been addressed in this year’s draft?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:16 am
baby s…
now you acting like a gorilla again, bumping your chest… you actually think its smart to pick pass rushers, when you cant stop the run? if you do so, then fine, but then i ont want to waste my time talking to you…
April 27th, 2009 at 6:17 am
we signed Franz Joseph MLB didnt we???
April 27th, 2009 at 6:18 am
LMN I think it’s ok to pick pass rushers who can perhaps add depth and value to our current line, when no viable MLB is available at the draft position we have.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:18 am
babys…
its not my freaking job, if the leg is cut off, everybody can see whats wrong, but only the doctor can fix it…
we cant stop the run, we havent been able to for years, but we keep choosing guys that only can stop the pass…
thats silly, i can see the sypmtom, i cant fix it, if i could we wouldnt have been wasting the last 10 eyars drafts…
April 27th, 2009 at 6:21 am
“Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean?,” Mitchell said. “My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. I think I value the opinion (mo?)fo scouts who get paid to make their opinions. It will carry me through my career. It will serve as motivation for me.”
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You guys that spent the last month & a half posting picks ought to be happy about this statement. LOL. Mo is the only word I could come up with that makes sense of “fo scouts” I know he meant “for scouts” but he’s a Raider now MO FO SCOUTS sounds more like it!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 6:21 am
LMN you don’t have to waste your time talking to me. But I’m just asking you to be concrete and back up your critical statements with actual cases where we went wrong and blew it.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:21 am
according 2 CC it wasnt our DT’s it was our DE’s so I don’t know
April 27th, 2009 at 6:22 am
trade down and take brian cushing would have made more sense in the 1st than DHB, and then take a WR in 2nd… or even trade up and take curry… this is just silly as i said we bought some flashy rims for a car that cant drive… so now we can show off our nice rims in the driveway… silly
April 27th, 2009 at 6:23 am
YEAH it was Burgess and Sam Williams! THat’s why we’re picking up DE/LB guys who can play better on the edge.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:24 am
LMN yeah, a trade down would have made sense. But it doesn’t seem like anybody wanted to trade up once Sanchez got picked.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:24 am
Bey will open things up 4 us,imo
April 27th, 2009 at 6:27 am
One more Free Agent…
David Nixon, LB, BYU.
The ex-Cougar was the Mountain West Conference’s all-time leading tackler, and in his 6-3, 233-pound build, NFL talent scouts see the potential for him to fill out quickly and man an outside linebacker position.
Nixon gets high marks for his intelligence and ability to master a difficult defense at BYU. He also got great experience in pass coverage, which is rare for college linebackers entering the NFL. A former Mormon missionary and Eagle Scout, he’s more mature than most collegiate prospects, and turned heads at his pro day with a 40 time in the low 4.6’s.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:28 am
This the worst draft that we have had sense I can remember!!! We will not do anything until something happens with Uncle Alzheimers AL!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Looks like we’re actually moving to a 4-3 hybrid with zone blitzing, with the addition of all these edge tweeners.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:31 am
BabySlash Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:21 am
LMN you don’t have to waste your time talking to me. But I’m just asking you to be concrete and back up your critical statements with actual cases where we went wrong and blew it.
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no you are not, and you know it…. you obviously have an agenda as you most often have when you are in here… but you asking something i already have answered, and it cant be that hard for you to understand that to be critical as are you calling it, i would call it point out a symptom but not having an answer how to fix it…
the problem is, the problem with the raiders is infested to the bone, we are a sick franchise, and i only hope cable is allowed to be here long enough to clear out the cancers… but this weekend was more of the same-old… this makes me doubt…
if you are really bad at something and you havent addressed it for years, the problem gets to be the norm… Cable seem focused on getting the right attitude, thats a huge improvement but we still need to change our playbook, both on O and D…
April 27th, 2009 at 6:32 am
For what is worth….David Nixon was on cnnsi.com list of “Wes Welker watch” for undrafted players who might turn into something.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Line play wins games.
Al Davis is an idiot.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:34 am
IT SEEM’S TO ME IF THE ORGANISATION GO’S BY THE SO CALL’D “BOOK” AND PICK’S THE GALLERY’S , HUFF’S, GIBSON’S, PATRIC BATES TYPS, AND THEY DO NOT SHOW UP , PEOPLE BICH -CRY-MOAN, SO THE ORG. GO’S OFF THE BOARD AND TRIES TO BRING IN SOME HUNGRY PLAYER’S WHO MAY OR MAY NOT WORK OUT , NO ONE HERE CAN SAY 4 SURE, WE STILL GET THE BICHING AND CRY’N,,,,
April 27th, 2009 at 6:37 am
dirtlot..
good point, obvious choices just fail when Al touches them… contender-kids thrive(i hope)
April 27th, 2009 at 6:39 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!
Commish Goodall: ” Welcome to the 2010 NFL Draft. Let’s get started. With the 1st pick in the 2010 NFL Draft, the Oakland Raiders select…………….”
Just Kidding, I like our draft.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Final thoughts….
1st round:
DHB would have been an ok pick if Eugene Monroe wasn’t available, forget Crabtree vs DHB, it’s Mario Henderson vs Monroe from now on, Mario better turn out as good as Monroe is supposed to be and obviuosly DHB better be good too.
2nd round:
Mike Mitchell, I don’t care, I have watched big and fast, highly touted, big school prospects Patrick Bates and Derrick Gibson fail before, maybe this small school guy turns out to be the real deal, if not…I’ll get over it.
3rd round:
Matt Shaugnessy, nice size, speed, athleticism and a hard worker…was really coming on and on track for a great senior year, which would have made him a higher pick, but he broke a leg in the spring and then his brother died just before the season, obviusly he didn’t have the season everyone expected.
4th round:
Louis Murphy, completes the biggest, fastest, WR trio in the NFL….DHB, Chaz and Murphy all stand at least 6′2 200 and can run 4.3 forties.
Slade Norris
I like this guy, he was a reach but the fact is he combines great speed and athletic abiliy with big time production, his role is yet to be determined but I think he’ll play in this league, should begin as a ST demon.
6th round
Stryker Sulak, if Norris was a reach, Sulak was probably a steal here so it evens things out.
Another hybrid edge player, similar to Trevor Scott and Greyson Gunheim, we are collecting some good looking pass rushing projects……..Scott, Gunheim and Sulak all stand 6′5, weight between 250-265 and can really run, Scott is already paying off.
Brandon Myers, nice pick, Iowa OL and TE’s are very well coached and fundamentally sound, this pick helps everyone on offesne, specially Miller…..this report says it all:
“Myers is more of a blocking tight end. He serves as an extra lineman more than as a pass catcher. Iowa does a great job of developing run-blocking tight ends. Myers should help the Raiders’ running game.”
April 27th, 2009 at 6:47 am
Tha was for Dell, it´s the best I could do buddy.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:48 am
its a okay draft if we trade, Burgess, Fargas, Walter and Huff!
I do that trade for a 6pack!
April 27th, 2009 at 6:49 am
We still got Bush!!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 6:49 am
The “edge tweeners” you speak about will be slotted as SLBs, Slash. Cable said that in his post-draft press conference yesterday.
He also mentioned that he would be looking for a defensive tackle in free agency, as well as a couple of other positions. He said that the process had already begun and that he was going back to work on it right after the press conference.
The coaching staff has correctly identified the main problems with run defense as a weakness in linebacker support, defensive end play, discipline within the confines of the scheme, and coaching. He also mentioned that the DTs were good players, but they needed to play better. I’m assuming that he’s looked at all the film there is to look at, and with him being a professional football coach that specializes in line play, he probably knows what he’s talking about.
Let’s try not to be too upset about the Raiders not picking the players some of us wanted, or about us not making some trades that some felt we should have. Nobody that posts here has available to them anything close to the resources and knowledge that professional football teams have, and it’s way, way too early to offer anything but an uneducated and uninformed guess as to how well (or not) a team fared.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:51 am
well of course no one knows but I think CC did his home-work,has been doing his H/W.Kinda reminds me of when Bill Walsh came in and drafted 2CB’s and 2 Safetys in 1st 4 rounds.We got 2 DE’S 2LB’s and a S.Young athletic high-motor TEAM GUYS.And you just know they gonna buy into CC 1000%
April 27th, 2009 at 6:52 am
L M N, DO NOT THINK U HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PEOPLE DRAFTED, 4 THE MOST PART, JUST THE POSITIONS. IS THAT ASSUMPTION CORRECT ?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:53 am
I like this:
“Q: A challenge for up/down hybrids to become full-time stand-up guys?.
Cable: You’re seeing more and more of that out of the 4-3 teams. That Sam or Will linebacker that on third down’s putting his hand on the ground. We actually did a little study. There’s a tremendous amount of guys that are making that transition, standing up on first and second down and putting their hand down on third. That’s really all over the league now, and some of the very good pass rushers are like that.”
- That’s exactly what John Marshall did with Julian Peterson in Seattle, he would play LB on 1st and 2nd down and move all over the line on 3rd downs to create mismatches.
I had been thinking that’s what they were going to do with Trevor Scott, but if he can become a full-time DE, drafting Norris and Sulak to try and fill that role makes sense.
Slade Norris: 6′2 232 4.65, 18.5 tackles for loss, 9 sacks in 08.
Stryker Sulak: 6′5 251 4.77, 15.5 tackles for loss, 10.5 sacks, 6 forced fumbles in 08.
Besides the customary speed and athletic ability, these guys produced big time numbers, it’s not gonna be an easy transition, but it might just work.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:56 am
# DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:52 am
L M N, DO NOT THINK U HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE PEOPLE DRAFTED, 4 THE MOST PART, JUST THE POSITIONS. IS THAT ASSUMPTION CORRECT ?
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okay! absolutely! I might even start to like Matt Shaunasy if he becomes a beast, oh like is a bit too much, accept him, but only if he wows not to speak with the press again(, you know) LOL
April 27th, 2009 at 6:59 am
GET THESE KID’S SIGHN’D AND AT ALL OF THE OTA’S AND IN CAMP ON TIME , AND LET THE COACHES DO THERE JOB’S.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:00 am
ohh thats it for me! i will go enjoy the sun, you never know how long this streak lasts =)
c ya!
April 27th, 2009 at 7:00 am
oops I mis-stated Sulaks #’s thankx Bob Marley
April 27th, 2009 at 7:00 am
Marley… Seems like they might be taking a page from the 3-4 playbook there, with what those guys do with their OLBs. Adds confusion to the offensive team when they don’t know where a guy’s going to line up, and whether he’s coming or dropping once he’s there.
I like it, too.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:02 am
ohh before i go!…
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/columns/story?columnist=garber_greg&id=4084063
about Frantz Joseph..
man i hope he will be the MLB, then i will stick a sock in it and fully accept the draft…
April 27th, 2009 at 7:05 am
yep thats the thing about this bunch:They ALL produced big time in collage!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Im sorry, but this is the worst draft I have seen from the Raiders in a LONG time. To pass on Eugene Monroe and 5 other top flight pics for someone who could have been had the NEXT ROUND is just inexcusable. I have seen 10 year old girls run a better fantasy draft than that crap…
No wonder we suck year after year after year.
The Game is WON in the trenches, if you can’t block, you can’t do ANYTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im sure Cable thinks he is an O-Line Mastermind, but come the hell on, Monroe wouldn’t benefit us more than DHB?????????? WHAAAAAAAAAAAT!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just a disgusting move by Al-And one that was totally called by Mayock who has read Al Davis like a childrens book and called the hell out of that crappy pick. AT LEAST Pick Crabtree-Now all you have to do to compare and contrast is look across the bay, and see a kid with Skills Like Chad Johnson without the Mouth in His Prime…
Note to Al: Jrock isn’t going to be able to throw to the guy when He is laying on his back you IDIOT!
I hated this draft and this season is going to be just like last-Let me quote Cable before next years top 10 draft status appears-
“Well, we thought we could get by with some of our free agent signings, we were wrong, FORTUNATELY, were in a position to pick up some players that can keep people of JaMarcus’s Back”
-Tom Cable April-2010
April 27th, 2009 at 7:06 am
BE carefull BabySlash: LMN’s have been known to eat there young if you dont agree with them…..or try to stand bye your football team
April 27th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Hey Al and Tom!
Everything will be forgiven if you guys find a way to get Leroy Hill in Oakland.
This would fix everything, just ask Marshall.
DO IT! GET LEROY HILL!
April 27th, 2009 at 7:10 am
ED…exactly! Blitzers coming from different angles with a zone blitz twist. Trying to confuse the enemy instead of playing straight up. I think Cable is pulling a smoke screen when he says we’ll be running the same D as Ryan.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:12 am
Natually, we’re going with smaller, quicker linebackers who will be more agressive and attacking this year. Just like Seattle did. Cool beans.
They just might stop the run with this new scheme.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Teach
Yeah, it certainly would give the team options, but on passing downs you have to put Burguess in there and certainly Trevor Scott, that leaves one spot for another DL, maybe Kelly or Warren inside with the “hybrid” lining up where the matchup favors him.
Strctly a pass defense lineup though.
John Marshall made it work with player similar to Burguess in Patrick Kerney, both play RDE and are undersized for the position, now he just needs to find a Julian Peterson type to move around which is easier said than done.
Marshall is supposed to be big on twists, stunts and slants from the DL so these big, fast, athletic players like Scott, Gunheim, Burguess, Richardson and Sulak give him some options and that’s way better than having them rush upfield vs bigger OL where their lack of size won’t help.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:14 am
r8rpaver> I’m just trying to think rationally and understand what our plan is, and just asking that the critical stuff is qualified and explained in a rational manner.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Marley…if these guys get mean, bust into the gaps and are agressive, they can still stop the run even though they are not huge.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Small guys have to learn to “grab grass” or get to the hole quicker when confronted with bigger linemen instead of trying to run around them, like Morrison does.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:19 am
I know all about grabbing grass, as I was an all league 185 lbs nose tackle in high school ha ha
April 27th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Slash i hear ya im getting sick and tired of all these HATERS on this board. They not true RAIDERS fans…Al Davis has always done things HIS way ….F the rest of the league,F the commish ,F everyone thats not on board with his plan.We have always been the bastard step child of the nfl and thats fine with me F the haters….If you dont like how the team is run find another one because this is MY FING TEAM AND FU IF YOU DONT LIKE THEM or talk $hit about them. The RAIDERS are like a family and if you talk $hit on my family you opened up something that you might not have wanted to F the hater
April 27th, 2009 at 7:34 am
????
April 27th, 2009 at 7:35 am
r8rpaver > I am also critical of the organization. I just want A LOGICAL argument for the critical stuff.
I see no point in complaining when they have no other options that could have worked better.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:35 am
yep fukk da haters
April 27th, 2009 at 7:36 am
La Milicia Negra says:
about Frantz Joseph..
man i hope he will be the MLB, then i will stick a sock in it and fully accept the draft…
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Yeah, the dude could be the real deal. If we didn’t get any more protection for Russell, we DEFINITELY need to stop the run. It looks like Joseph could help that.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Slash..most guys on this board listen to the talking heads to get there info and base our draft on what they are saying not do in the research themselves
April 27th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Nobody is talking about Desmond Bryant of Harvard. He could be a huge stud at DT! Check him out.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:39 am
I know all about grabbing grass 2 =)
April 27th, 2009 at 7:41 am
4eva..too bad TURD doesn’t ha ha
April 27th, 2009 at 7:41 am
look all i see in this draft is guys that want to wok hard and learn…do whatever it takes to win not bitch
April 27th, 2009 at 7:42 am
Marley… I agree. Having solid cover corners may help us with the creativity thing a little bit. We could then be a little more flexible with safety responsibilities also, which could allow for a bit more plundering from the front seven (or six, as the situation dictates).
April 27th, 2009 at 7:44 am
we had a coach that loved to make us put our hand behind our back sprint for 20 yard and dive on the ground…lol he called them ball busters for good reason lol
April 27th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Desmond Bryant
Last Updated: March 12th, 2009
Managed By: Steve Martin
School Harvard
Height 6 ‘ 5.6 ”
Weight 288 lbs.
Speed 4.92 ( Pro Day )
Graduation Year 2009
Birth Date 11/30/1999
Jersey # 90
Current Position DT
Projected Position DE
CDS Projected 2009 NFL Draft Round 6
Overview
Bryant appeared to be on the threshold of a breakout season in 2007 after a fantastic spring, but he took a leave of absence from the school and missed the entire 2007 season. His absence has been clouded in mystery and I haven’t gotten anyone close to the situation to spill any beans. Let’s hope it wasn’t anything serious and that he’s back to wreak havoc on the Ivy QBs in 2008.
Desmond also performed well at the Harvard Pro Day flashing 11.5″ hands and 35.5″ arms. He also posted 4.92 and 4.93 heats in the 40-yard dash with a 31″ vertical, a 9′10″ broad jump, a 4.45 short shuttle, and 7.44 three-cone drill. He repped 225 pounds 35 times on the bench.
Strengths
Physical freak, especially for the Ivy League. Massive, and can be looked at as a coveted 3-4 DE. Very long arms with good ups. Wreaks havoc by batting the ball down at the line of scrimmage. Very strong, and can really bull rush anybody at this level. Also has some moves. Obviously very intelligent. May not need football.
Weaknesses
Has never been tested against elite competition despite the undeniable physical gifts. Should have had better production that he did against such a low level of competition. Does he have motivational issues?
Projection
5-6th round project with immense upside.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:46 am
LMN there’s your run-stopping DE ha ha
April 27th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Looks like we’re actually moving to a 4-3 hybrid with zone blitzing, with the addition of all these edge tweeners.
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I would hope so. With all the speed we have, this would be great for our defense.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Young:his late in the game do you think we could find an up grade to the o-line or do you think we go with what we have?
April 27th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Marley… You seem to have a bit more information on Marshall and his style than most. That interests me, because it would be nice to have an idea of what we might expect from his defense.
Have you followed him for awhile, or is there someplace I could access that would give more information about him than we currently have (because unless I’m fumbling around in the dark by myself, we’re all in kind of an information void about what this guy wants to do here).
Thanks for the info so far…
April 27th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Frantz Joseph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNstliEo4Hs
April 27th, 2009 at 7:49 am
I assume we didn’t sign any undrafted free agents last night right? Because we drafted them all on day two?
April 27th, 2009 at 7:50 am
More Franny Joe…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCDuRITFczI
April 27th, 2009 at 7:50 am
the raiders signed a wlb from byu named david nixon 6`3 223 lb 80 tackles 2 sacks 3 int`s.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:50 am
slash they have his B-day 11/30/1999….wonder how big he will be when he grows up… I say 15 feet tall and 1000lbs
April 27th, 2009 at 7:51 am
r8rpaver Says:
Young:his late in the game do you think we could find an up grade to the o-line or do you think we go with what we have?
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It seems like Cable’s MO to bring aboard unknown guys who he thinks will fit his ZBS system. I still think it would have been nice to get a guy like Britton, Loadholt, even Meredith. But that’s obviously not an option anymore, and it seems like Cable has a plan. If he can turn this team around with some key system players and good coaching, it would be great to see.
If he can’t… well, we’re used to being the laughing stock of the league. There’s always next year’s draft.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Franny Joe is going to put Morrison out of a job ha ha
April 27th, 2009 at 7:55 am
YoungAmerican Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 7:51 am
r8rpaver Says:
Young:his late in the game do you think we could find an up grade to the o-line or do you think we go with what we have?
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It seems like Cable’s MO to bring aboard unknown guys who he thinks will fit his ZBS system. I still think it would have been nice to get a guy like Britton, Loadholt, even Meredith. But that’s obviously not an option anymore, and it seems like Cable has a plan. If he can turn this team around with some key system players and good coaching, it would be great to see.
If he can’t… well, we’re used to being the laughing stock of the league. There’s always next year’s draft.
====================================================== I think you have to trust him look what hes done in the last two years
April 27th, 2009 at 7:55 am
If Franz gets it done at MLB, Morrison can definitely be a force at the strongside position. I’d feel much better about our linebacker situation if that was the case.
Now we have some serious depth too. If any of these guys turn out to be legitimate starters, at least our D will be dramatically better.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:57 am
r8rpaver Says:
I think you have to trust him look what hes done in the last two years
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At this point that’s all I can do. I have plenty of reasons to criticize the draft, but at the end of the day I have to think the coaching staff knows exactly what it wants. I’m just glad we seem to be ridding ourselves of the guys with negative attitudes. That kind of stuff can kill a football team in our position.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:59 am
If he can’t… well, we’re used to being the laughing stock of the league
I WILL NEVER GET USED 2 THAT
April 27th, 2009 at 8:02 am
I am so happy that the likes of Barnes, Pears, Green, and Turd prevented us from drafting Monroe, Oher, Brace, Unger, Loadholt, Kropog, Meredeth, Duke Robinson and Sammie Lee Hill.
It was especially fun to watch us pick Slade Norris in round 4 over Robinson and Meredeth.
I guess NFL games really are not won in the trenches in Al’s eyes…Or maybe that is why we are 24-197 the last 6 seasons?
When Barnes gives up another 10 sacks next year and god knows how many penalties, I am sure DHB will enjoy running all of those 40 yard sprints down the sideline.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:03 am
4evaRaider Says:
I WILL NEVER GET USED 2 THAT
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Haha, well, it sucks, I’ll give you that much.
But if I can see some of these rookie scrubs come aboard, maybe make a few starts, and put the hurt on, say, Matt Cassell for what he did to us last season, I’d be happy man.
I never expected us to be better than .500 this season. But .500 is a good start.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:03 am
I hope that Frantz Joseph turns out better than Hartwell Brown
April 27th, 2009 at 8:06 am
It was especially fun to watch us pick Slade Norris in round 4 over Robinson and Meredeth.
oh that’s brutal. Good point
April 27th, 2009 at 8:09 am
it would seem CC has no-place 4 rookie O-linemen.4 his scheme it seems you need at least 2 yrs ex at the pro-level.In thyis scenerio its best 2 draft big producing athletic Defensive players
April 27th, 2009 at 8:10 am
I will give you a 2009 draft wrap up:
WE TOOK A DUMP!!
We will be drafting high again next year because 30 teams in the NFL are better at stopping the run than we are.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:12 am
4eva:what i see is a plan and the coaches and the owner working togeather to reach a goal…no fighting or looking for other job but working togeather to build a TEAM…I really think we have a good core in place…a QB that can be great, a running attack, a young o-line that can be coached a great TE, Good defensive back field.. solid ST,good kicking game..we just need to keep a consistant staff around to build
April 27th, 2009 at 8:15 am
I can only think that there is one semi intelligent or logical reason drafting so horribly:
We are broke again and Al cant pay his draft picks so you take a guy that was supposed to be a 7th round pick and you take him in the second round and pay him 4th round money.
Why else would anyone draft like a retard that or we have a drooling, senile, 80 year old owner who resembles Mr Burns!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:16 am
4eva,
Does it really matter what Cable thinks since he will be fired after we go 6-10 next year because we can’t keep the QB upright and we can’t stop the run, the two most important aspects of football?
We replaced Harris with Barnes and Grove with a weakling. And we kept our turnstyle DTs in place…we completely failed to improve those important areas of the team.
Might as well start talking about who Al is going to pick in the top 5-10 picks next year.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:16 am
John Herrera is Smithers!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:17 am
I see that 2 R8rpaver
April 27th, 2009 at 8:18 am
I agree Dakota lets look at next years draft we might as well skip this season I cant bare to watch us give up 200 yard rushing games to LT, Noshawn Moreno, Larry Johnson etc.
31st against the rush people!!!
Nest year we can improve to 32!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Well, I guess we can all hope Barnes, Satele, Green, Warren and Sands all have career turn arounds…seems like that is exactly what Al Davis is hoping for.
You never know!!!! lol
April 27th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Dakota with our tough schedule 6-10 could happen.That would be better than last year with a easier schedule.But as you know my glass is half-full because…
1.Grove is gone
2.kwaaameeeeee is gone
3.CC will have a full camp and pre-season
4.No negitive anything.Kiff gone and no party animals aka Walker
5.More Dmac&Bush
6.Jmac in 2nd year
7.We needed WR,S,DE,LB,TE,MLB and went out and got them
8.BEY,JLH,CHAZ,Dmac.Never has such speed ever been seen on 1 NFL offense
I could go on but that’ll do 4 now =)
April 27th, 2009 at 8:27 am
4eva, we should certainly dominate the NFL track meet next year, but what about the football games?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:28 am
It’s hard to imagine a worse draft.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:31 am
# 4evaRaider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Dakota with our tough schedule 6-10 could happen.That would be better than last year with a easier schedule.But as you know my glass is half-full because…
1.Grove is gone
2.kwaaameeeeee is gone
3.CC will have a full camp and pre-season
4.No negitive anything.Kiff gone and no party animals aka Walker
5.More Dmac&Bush
6.Jmac in 2nd year
7.We needed WR,S,DE,LB,TE,MLB and went out and got them
8.BEY,JLH,CHAZ,Dmac.Never has such speed ever been seen on 1 NFL offense
I could go on but that’ll do 4 now =)
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5. More Dmac&Bush
more Bush I think im getting to you
April 27th, 2009 at 8:31 am
I know we all saw the debacle of last year.A consensous was taken and our needs were addressed.We got a little older on the O-line and a little younger on D,imo.I see a exellent core of good TEAM GUYS.Coach ‘em up and LET ER RIP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:32 am
I think murphy could have more td his rookie year than dhb
April 27th, 2009 at 8:34 am
I agree KoolKell it is hard to imagine a worse draft by any team in any year ever!
Dakota is right we would totally dominate at a track meet. I bet Al thinks wining the all star events at the pro bowl are more important than regular season games.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:34 am
The think that makes this team vastly better than last year’s is no harris or halll and wilson wasn’t a playmaker you don’t pay solid players the dough we gave him, mitchell will be a playmaker in the NFL!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:34 am
NMF,I always liked Bush and I hope he plays more.I think this year he will be ready.I just never saw the logic of getting rid of Fargas as of yet
April 27th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Sour grapes, it sounds like to me Dakota.
I really did not expect to see you as one of the “whiners” after the fact. You guys who don’t get your way, and then act like you do is what’s funny!
32, with a 15 year old boy?
Cmon Dakota, I know you’re better than that! It’s been plenty of time since the draft ended, to “accept” that you were wrong about the tackles on both sides of the ball. Accept it and move on.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:37 am
we got a nice blend going on here,imo.Those 2 DE’s and LB’s were big producers at div.1 schools
April 27th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Satele 4.5 sacks 4 penalties
Barnes 7.5 sacks 9 penalties
Gallery 2 sacks 3 penalties
Green 7.5 sacks 8 penalties or Pears 6.5 sacks 5 penalties
Cooper 4 sacks 2 penalties
I guess our hope is that 1) the coaches quit trying to replace or not play Henderson and 2) Henderson improves enough to allow the TE to make some plays.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:38 am
ok Joseph transferred but still had the 2nd most tackles in div.1
April 27th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Jhill,
I wasn’t wrong, we needed to take a tackle…the Raiders were wrong in not taking a tackle. I was 100% correct, I said two weeks ago that we were going to blow the draft by taking a WR in round 1 and a S in round 2. That is exactly what we did.
Now claiming KC was going to take Crabtree…now that was wrong, lol.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:41 am
There’s been plenty of positive things reported about ALL of our draft picks, but some of you REFUSE to accept it and INSIST on focusing on the miniscule negatives about a player and declare them ALL busts before they even step on the field!
That is frickin HILARIOUS, dogg!
Please tell me how you guys are acting ANY different than say … the trolls you love to hate.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Not as wrong as INSISTING, I think you used 100%, that KC was going to take Curry, LOL!
We were both wrong. Plain and simple.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:44 am
yep Jhill you was about the only one 2 say it wasnt the DT’s its the ends.AZs a matter-of-fact you and me argued about that very subject.Well I guess I was wrong,and you saw it as the staff did,Congratulations I stand corrected.Partly it was my utter disgust towards Sands that tarnished my view about our DT”s and didnt allow me 2 see it was our DE”s.Thats great as long as it gets corrected I dont care and 2 heads are ALWAYS better than 1,imo
April 27th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Jhill
can you please explain to us how this draft will improve our current situation of 31st against the run.
When we see twice a year LT, Larry Johnson and now Noshawn Moreno (or whoever the Broncos have at RB)
Please explain who this drafty helps us compete in our already weak and pathetic division?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:46 am
You were wrong about the tackles. If that’s the case, I told you and OakGlen that for months.
Only tackle that needed to be replaced at season end was Green. It made ZERO sense to draft a guy who wasn’t going to play this year. Remember me telling you that? Same with Raji.
And you knew we were going to take WR and S two weeks ago b/c it was clearly the #1 and 2 needs.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Any word on FA signing after the draft anyone, I’ve only seen one name??
April 27th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Well now that I have had a night’s sleep and sobered up, I can speak rationally about this draft.
1. DHB, yes it was earlier than he was expected to be drafted, but you can’t call it a reach if our coaches met with all of the top 3 WR’s and decided that they liked DHB’s knowledge of a pro system and attitude best. As for Eugene Monroe being there, I am still devastated, but he got passed up by a lot of other teams and I still have my doubts that he can play in the ZBS, Cable’s “cadillac” statement was pure smokescreen, I think only Jason Smith of those elite four fit into our blocking scheme.
2. Mike Mitchell, I wish we could have gotten him later, but it sounds like there was the danger of losing him to the Bears and I really, really wanted this kid, so I’m totally happy with this pick. Also would like to mention that some of those clips of Mitchell from youtube were from their game against Ohio State, which addresses some of the “competition” concerns.
3. Shaughnessy, after sleeping on it, this is the most disapointing pick in the draft. This kid better produce.
4. Slade Norris and Louis Murphy, Slade “Chuck” Norris looks like a very nice SOLB/WOLB candidate that gets after the run and the ball. Louis Murphy was a great value pick in this slot. If Russell spends more than his share of time on his back, the Raiders will burn for picking this guy over an O-lineman though.
6. Stryker Sulak, great pick, Brandon Meyers, another excellent pick. A blocking TE with ZBS experience and a great nose for red-zone catches.
other thoughts: Are we switching to the 34, or planning to use much more 34 this year? I actually read one analysis of our picks that said “all these hybrid linebackers will help the Raiders new 34 scheme.” First I had heard of it, but so many of our off-season moves point to 34, rather than 43.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:47 am
jhill Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:41 am
There’s been plenty of positive things reported about ALL of our draft picks, but some of you REFUSE to accept it and INSIST on focusing on the miniscule negatives about a player and declare them ALL busts before they even step on the field!
That is frickin HILARIOUS, dogg!
Please tell me how you guys are acting ANY different than say … the trolls you love to hate.
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Well that’s all they have in their life. For the first time in a long time, we got nothing but football players who overachieved on their team…i hold judgement on DHB.
Think about it. OUr draft resemble NE’s draft when Belichik first got there….who the hell were Bruschi, Brady and Vrabel comning out of college….except that they were football players.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:52 am
It’s not about me being right 4eva …
We were all right! 666 and Dakota’s concern’s are valid and needed to be addressed. It’s was just a little bit further down the priority list than they thought.
But the good thing about it, IMO, is that DT and OT have no excuses now. I was just all for giving those guys a chance on a level playing field, if you will. Kelly was not 100%, and Warren played with a torn chest muscle, and still played well. Barnes and Henderson need a chance to show us what they can do for a full season.
We all knew we were not a playoff team this year. Competeing for this week azz division is the only way we will get in, and that should only take 8 wins or so. Why are we acting like we were 1 player away from the SB?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:52 am
But we still have michael bush… Al didnt fu.. that up!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:52 am
SilverNBlack666 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:34 am
I agree KoolKell it is hard to imagine a worse draft by any team in any year ever!
Dakota is right we would totally dominate at a track meet. I bet Al thinks wining the all star events at the pro bowl are more important than regular season games.
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Are you fcking kiddin me? You mean you how Crazy Al used to bring under achievers like Johnnie Morant, Gabriel, and Francis? You mean taking guys who hardly ever played at their position like Porter, Routt, and point guard Curry? You liked those drafts better than the current one?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:53 am
GET LEROY HILL!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:54 am
666,
Cable explained it to you in the last post. If you don’t believe him, then it is what it is.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Anyone want to stop bickering and tell me if we’ve signed any FA’s from the draft class?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:56 am
The talking heads ate some serious crow after panning us only to later find out both the Bears and Cowboys were also targeting Mitchell late in the 2nd round. Mitchell will immediately push for starting time in the Raiders’ secondary, and will likely just be called “safety” rather than SS or FS, simply because he can do both. The Raiders are stockpiling such players with Mitchell, Branch, and Huff (who hopefully can get things turned around this season).
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2009/4/26/855479/oakland-raiders-2009-nfl-draft
April 27th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Some of you guys think the MLB position needs to be replaced but I think the SAM is a much more urgent need. We have not had a decent player in there in a long long time.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Jhill,
I was wrong about Curry going to KC, and so was just about everyone else. No one saw the Jackson pick until a week before the draft. bfd Show me one person that got the top ten pick correct.
The important part was that the Raiders failed to improve the o-line and d-line…you know, the areas where teams win ball games.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:01 am
former Raiders coach Jon Gruden said Sunday, “Al Davis doesn’t care about what any of us think.”
If Davis gave a silver-and-black hoot about what people think, he certainly wouldn’t have drafted punter Ray Guy in the first round in 1973, kicker Sebastian Janikowski in the first round in 2000, running back Bo Jackson in the seventh round in 1987 and cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha in the first round of in 2003.
In time, history proved Davis prescient in his evaluation of players deemed reaches at the spots they were selected.
Guy is regarded by many as the best punter in NFL history. Janikowski is Oakland’s all-time leading scorer. Jackson struck fear into every defensive player he faced during a four-year career ended by a hip injury.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Let me just echo this statement because it is necessary:
“The important part was that the Raiders failed to improve the o-line and d-line…you know, the areas where teams win ball games.”
Wow I am not alone on this day of misery and suffering.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Really Dakota,
That’s is strictly your opinion, bruh!
The team feels as though it improved the Oline by replacing the oft injured Grove with Satele, and the oft beaten Cornbread Green with Barnes.
I know you don’t agree, but we’ll see.
And the Harris and Barnes comparison is just ridiculous.
And I think we did address the Dline by drafting DE in the 3rd. Oh, I forgot, not the particular guy YOU wanted, so that doesn’t count.
And I think the SAM position we drafted a couple of guys to play has something to do with the run, as well as that hammer S we drafted.
But none of that matters I guess.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:09 am
You guys act like we haven’t signed any O linemen.
We have, how do you guys know how these guys will play together? Have some faith!
April 27th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Good morning guys.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Wallow in misery if u want guys ..
Good luck with that approach. I hope it’s working for you.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Morning O
April 27th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Morning O
April 27th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Jhill,
Yeah it is my opinion, and unfortunately, the o-line and d-line play will probably show me to be 100% correct next year. But let’s hope not, I would love to be proven wrong.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:13 am
The Raiders also signed Florida Atlantic middle linebacker Frantz Joseph, according to the Sun-Sentinel on Sunday night.
The kid seems to have a terrific story who went from a difficult upbringing to the nation’s second-leading tackler last season with 154 tackles.
They also signed Brigham Young outside linebacker David Nixon, according to the school’s website.
Joseph set school single-season and career records in tackles but he was not invited to the NFL combine, then did not get drafted. His profile is right here.
Raiders coach Tom Cable said the Raiders will get better at linebacker just by adding depth, something they lacked last year. As it stands, starting middle linebacker Kirk Morrison virtually never comes off the field.
They have other middle linebackers, including Isaiah Ekejiuba, but they are strictly special teams players.
Nixon is 6-3, 223 pounds with a team-high 11.5 tackles for a loss last season.
As previously noted, they also signed Harvard defensive tackle Desmond Bryant. Look for another 5-6 names to surface in the next day or two.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:17 am
R8,
I like our SS and that LB we signed after the draft, I hope the bring a nasty culture to the Defense.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:18 am
yeah that Bryant dude looks like a beast
April 27th, 2009 at 9:19 am
I am noticing a theme among the Raiders defensive picks that I really like:
Tackles for a loss and forced fumbles. All of the LB’s that they signed have huge #’s in that department and Mitchell is far and away the best Safety when it comes to TFL’s and FF’s. Turnovers and aggression on defense are the key, I have never liked our patchwork D-line, but I can’t argue that we have serious problem with tackling from the “back seven”. Cable apparently sees that as our biggest defensive weakness.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Jhill,
Adding a constantly injured DE and a DE that’s about 40lbs to light to play the position is not shoring up the run. Nor is adding a 4th round SAM LB that probably wont make the team.
You can say I am being pessimistic but I am just being honest we were 31st against the run and we play in a division with some pretty strong RB’s
April 27th, 2009 at 9:20 am
IMO attitude is 80% of a good Defense
April 27th, 2009 at 9:20 am
We Reached for 2 players,Missed on M Johnson, a few good OTs, but I really like this draft.
Next year has better talent At DTs and DEs.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:20 am
We’d added Shaughnessy at DE. Norris, Sulak & Nixon at OLB, Joseph at MLB, Bryant at DT and Mitchell at SS …
tall fast WR’s that are winners, good route runners and character guys to throw it downfield. Blocking TE to free up Zach Miller or give him a rest
glad to see we’ve improved our football team
April 27th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Yo smellas!!
Wow JHill, those silver and black blinders are securely fastened to your head!
Appreciate the ra-ra attitude but quite frankly, this has become quite old.
I will give the Darrius selection a higher mark than McFadden because it was my hope we would take a WR or OL in the first because of the need. The fact that we let Wilson walk and then wasted another high pick on a DB is the OLD part!!
Anyways, good luck with that whole positive vibe thing and here’s to hoping Darrius kicks some serious azz in a few years!!
Go Raiders!
April 27th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Positives:
Big focus on character which will help this football team regardless of the round someone was picked.
We have the Dallas triumverate equivalent of Aikman, Smith and Irvin. Mr Davis has almost always focuses on elite offensive talent with extremely high draft picks and this year the skill spots should be considered “complete”.
Negatives:
All of this year’s picks look to be projects with a fairly low probability of immediate help.
Overall:
The free agent moves on the Oline will HOPEFULLY yield improved production on the line and give JR more time.
The Raiders have traditionally downplayed the value of the defensive line and I do believe we are going to get the ball run down our throats again.
2009 will be a rebuilding year and maybe we get to 8-8.
Until we get real defensive lineman we will hear about “The Raiders have all the talent in the world but don’t win”. Unfortunately our talent is not proportional and our defensive line is soft.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:22 am
BBB,
You make a great point sir.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:22 am
any guesses at to who our FB and TE will be (either undrafted rookies or vets in FA) ???
April 27th, 2009 at 9:23 am
I’m looking forward to seeing JRuss can outthrow DHB and Murphy.
DHB, Chaz, JLH, and Murphy. And Miller of course.
We are not going to face ANY man to man coverages. Who is going to turn their backs on Bush or McFadden coming out of the backfield? Miller, JLH, and Chaz should be able to make a lot of plays underneath that zone, with the LBs concentrating on Bush and McFadden. Please bring a S up so DHB and Murphy can be one on one with a S trying to cover a zone.
Our 31st ranked offense was a concern too, right?
April 27th, 2009 at 9:24 am
its my birthday and al davis got me the worst present ever with this draft
April 27th, 2009 at 9:24 am
The best thing about DHB’s “inconsistent” college career was his game against Wake Forest. He had over 10 catches, 100 yards and a TD against a DB who was a second round pick by the Broncos. At least he will be comfortable twice a year against this guy.
I feel DHB will be wildly inconsistant in the NFL, just like college, and not live up to his #7 pick. But make no mistake, he will have some spectacular moments.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:24 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
We’d added Shaughnessy at DE. Norris, Sulak & Nixon at OLB, Joseph at MLB, Bryant at DT and Mitchell at SS …
tall fast WR’s that are winners, good route runners and character guys to throw it downfield. Blocking TE to free up Zach Miller or give him a rest
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The “good route runners” part is a bit of a stretch, but I suppose that’s neither here nor there.
I think the decision making could have been better in the draft, but I have to think the coaching staff got guys who were signable, and who they knew they could work with.
If everything goes according to plan, we certainly did improve our team. That might be a big “if”, but that’s how it goes I guess.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Did we draft any blind players this year?
April 27th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Jerry,
Do you expect that the Raiders will take a shot at signing Leroy Hill to play SLB? Do they have the cap room?
April 27th, 2009 at 9:26 am
We have 2 head hunters on Defense, Mike who is a starter and Joseph who can compete to be a starter.
We also have 1 more young WR to Start, and another one to compete.
That’s makes the team better.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:26 am
IMHO i think Rob prevent Ryan play calling and scheme were the problem more the talent
April 27th, 2009 at 9:27 am
I’m just hoping we can work on DHB’s hands so he doesn’t become the next Troy Williamson, who tries to catch everything with his body.
To take advantage of DHB’s size, he has to learn to extend those arms and make catches with his hands. That’s the only way he’ll make it in the NFL.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:28 am
R8,
Right, it’s Attitude.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:28 am
LOL Saint …
I’m just refuse to give myself ulcers over something I have no control of. I can accept other people’s decisions regarding THEIR stuff.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:28 am
everybody here was mad when mayock said he al was gonna draft dhb now you love the pick and think he’s gonna b goo
April 27th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Nation what is up?????????????
I am going to hope and pray the following:
1. Our FA’s will be pro bowlers by the end of the year.
2. Our draft picks have better than projected seasons.
3. That we get rid of dead “veteran” weight.
example Javon Walker.
4. Further development of JR.
5. 7-9 minimum.
I was pissed at the draft but have come to accept what was done. We will have to see how this thing plays out in a few years to determine bust levels or not.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:29 am
be good
April 27th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Dakota Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Did we draft any blind players this year?
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Just the usual blind refs.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Think about it. OUr draft resemble NE’s draft when Belichik first got there….who the hell were Bruschi, Brady and Vrabel comning out of college….except that they were football players.
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Alisgod – I agree with this statement. Was thinking the same thing this morning while looking at the draft as a body of work.
I like the attitude we’ve infused into this team. I have to think the strategy was to get more physical at the point of attack. These guys get after it.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Who is Joseph? An undrafted FA? Are we really so desperate to make this sound like a good draft that we are talking up UFAs?
April 27th, 2009 at 9:30 am
HBD 16!
everyone here was not mad, young man! And even if some were, and now have accepted it, it’s called moving on. Please don’t adopt the whining that you see here as part of you character. This is not how grown men are supposed to act.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:31 am
15 – I was as pissed as can be. I agree that the true measuring stick of this pick is going to be how good Monroe turns out to be. Consider that Jax passed on Crabtree and they have almost nothing at WR…
April 27th, 2009 at 9:31 am
i posted this earlier and wanted an opinion but I havent heard this all weekend but is it safe to compare DHB to another Raider Wideout???
Ashley Lelie ran 4.3 40 6′3″ 200 lbs.
college stats
in 24 games he had 158 recs. 2823 yds. and 30 td’s
DHB ran 4.3 is 6′2″ 203 lbs
138 recs 2,089 yards and 13 td’s
idk.. what do you guys think?
April 27th, 2009 at 9:32 am
At worst, we replaced the following players.
WR – Javon Walker
S – Hiram Eugene
DE – Derrick Burgess
WR – Ashlie Lelie
LB – Sam Williams
LB – Marquis Cooper (RIP)
TE – Tony Stewart
LB – Jon Condo
DT – Terdell Sands
April 27th, 2009 at 9:32 am
I still think Crabtree was the most polished route runner in the draft, and certainly had the best hands.
As far as boom or bust potential, he’s right up there with Heyward-Bey, though.
And keep in mind, the 49ers don’t really have anyone to consistently get him the ball. I’d rather have JaMarcus throwing to DHB than have Shaun Hill, Alex Smith or whoever throwing to Crabtree.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Javon is as good as gone. Injury buy-out, will be gone by the end of July.
The Mike Mitchell pick was a reach, but they did trade down from #40, picking up a 4th rounder which they used to take Murphy, who was considered a 2nd round talent. So they turned #40, into Louis Murphy and Mike Mitchell, which seems pretty good to me.
I am just worried Mike Mitchell is the Kimbo Slice of the draft, all hype and a youtube sensation. Let’s hope Mike Mitchell moment in the spotlight lasts more than 11 seconds like Kimbo.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:33 am
I don’t think we replaced Condo. He’s a really solid long snapper.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Sam Williams HAS to be gone now…FTLOG!
April 27th, 2009 at 9:34 am
I can’t wait for the season to start and Mithcell ends up being Dakota and 666’s favorite player, LOL.
And EVERYONE is going to jump on the DHB bandwagon when he beats Cromartie for 2 TDs on opening night.
Have a good day fellas, Hollar at ya later!
April 27th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Look: no one on there is an nfl scout,no one on there went to talk with any of our picks so who do you listen to ,kipper,maycock,mcfly?…..please ill take the word of the head coach over those clowns any day
April 27th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Collins, Conredge FB 6′0″ 227 Pittsburgh
Cook, Jason FB 5′11″ 244 Mississippi
Kettani, Eric FB 6′0″ 231 Navy
Mailei, Marcus FB 6′0″ 248 Weber State
Pressley, Chris FB 5′11″ 257 Wisconsin
Southerland, Brannan FB 6′0″ 242 Georgia
***
Who’s gonna compete with Luke Lawton & Marcel Reece until Oren O’Neil is back at 100 percent?
April 27th, 2009 at 9:37 am
http://oaklandraiders.stores.yahoo.net/category-draft-jerseys.html
April 27th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Nader64,
That’s is what I have been thinking since late last night. All of these guys are character guys, who truly love the game, and have fantastic work ethics. They are not the flashy name brand players that we are used to getting. That is exactly what New England does every year, except that they usually go for D-line a lot more often. Time will tell, but perhaps us fans are being very narrow-minded in the wake of this whole thing. Really, the only thing that still sticks in my craw is that we didn’t get a left tackle, but you can’t win em all.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Jhill,
I can’t believe you don’t understand that the right to disagree with how a team is being managed is part of what you get when you decide to follow a team as a fan. We don’t have to simply sit back and clap for the team just because they do something. We have the right to disagree with the moves. Sitting back and blindly applauding offseason moves is really quite strange in my opinion.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Should we add another rookie DT besides Bryant?
Abdallah, Nader DT 6′4″ 295 Ohio State
Baker, Chris DL 6′2″ 326 Hampton
Bolden, Demonte’ DT 6′3″ 282 Tennessee
Byrd, Terrill DT 6′0″ 286 Cincinnati
Faletoese, John DT 6′2″ 285 Cal Davis
Favorite, Marlon DT 6′1″ 314 LSU
Grady, Adrian DT 6′1″ 298 Louisville
Mitchell, Khalif DL 6′5″ 318 East Carolina
April 27th, 2009 at 9:41 am
frank summars FB UNLV
Player Bio: Frank Summers – UNLV OFFICIAL ATHLETIC SITEFRANK SUMMERS UNLV CAREER OFFENSIVE STATISTICS YEAR GP-GS ATT YDS AVG TD LG REC YDS TD LG 2008 12-12 183 740 4.0 8 45 13 150 2 48 2007 12-12 202 928 4.6 6 …
unlvrebels.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/summers_frank00.html – 51k
April 27th, 2009 at 9:41 am
if the defense starts knocking head off our offense is going to feed off that
April 27th, 2009 at 9:42 am
unlvrebels.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/summers_frank00.html
April 27th, 2009 at 9:42 am
16,
Happy B day young blood.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:43 am
oh-well
April 27th, 2009 at 9:44 am
thanks
April 27th, 2009 at 9:44 am
jhill Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:34 am
I can’t wait for the season to start and Mithcell ends up being Dakota and 666’s favorite player, LOL.
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I have nothing against DHB and Mitchell and I 100% hope they become great players. I just have issues with a team not placing a priority on the o-line and DTs when we have struggled to stop the run and protect the QB. But hey, there is always next year’s top five or ten pick to count on!
April 27th, 2009 at 9:44 am
R8,
I know what you mean, what do you mean, you know!!
LMAO
You know!!
April 27th, 2009 at 9:44 am
nice try 4eva
April 27th, 2009 at 9:45 am
jhill Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:34 am
I can’t wait for the season to start and Mithcell ends up being Dakota and 666’s favorite player, LOL.
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http://oaklandraiders.stores.yahoo.net/category-draft-jerseys.html
April 27th, 2009 at 9:46 am
RRS,
Chris Baker got picked up by the Donks already, but Khalif Mitchell was one of my favorite late round DT picks in the draft. He has fantastic triangle numbers for a big man, and the stoutness to stuff the run. I really hope we are looking at this guy. Also Adrian Grady, he does not have great numbers, but is all motor. One of the most active lineman in college football, sounds like a Cable pick.
and I am still holding out hope that we are talking to two Texas A&M players. DE Cyril Obiozor, a nice LDE prospect and FB Javorskie Lane, a nice compliment to O’Neal.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:46 am
YoungAmerican Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:32 am
I still think Crabtree was the most polished route runner in the draft, and certainly had the best hands.
As far as boom or bust potential, he’s right up there with Heyward-Bey, though.
And keep in mind, the 49ers don’t really have anyone to consistently get him the ball. I’d rather have JaMarcus throwing to DHB than have Shaun Hill, Alex Smith or whoever throwing to Crabtree.
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Here is news for you kid. Crabtree only runs 6 routes in that system….6 ROUTES!!! You ever wonder why they say that spread offense is not good for the pro’s. the only guy that has done well in the pro with the spread offense that I know is Welker.
You can say that Crabtree has better hands but dont talk about his route running ok?
April 27th, 2009 at 9:46 am
4eva,
Steelers took him in the 5th round. Dammit, he will excel over there, he was my late round sleeper.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Jhill Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:34 am
And EVERYONE is going to jump on the DHB bandwagon when he beats Cromartie for 2 TDs on opening night.
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thats a very bold prediction. i love the raiders but let’s be realistic? 2 TD’s… only??? how about 5 + 2 TD’s on reverse plays!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 9:47 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Collins, Conredge FB 6′0″ 227 Pittsburgh
Cook, Jason FB 5′11″ 244 Mississippi
Kettani, Eric FB 6′0″ 231 Navy
Mailei, Marcus FB 6′0″ 248 Weber State
Pressley, Chris FB 5′11″ 257 Wisconsin
Southerland, Brannan FB 6′0″ 242 Georgia
***
Who’s gonna compete with Luke Lawton & Marcel Reece until Oren O’Neil is back at 100 percent?
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Eric Kettani has been my choice since late janury, though he is a navy guy, and that might eff up his NFL career, i dont know, but if he could join us tomorrow it sure should be him
April 27th, 2009 at 9:48 am
i say this to make me feel better crabtree=rashaun woods
say it with me crabtree=rashaun woods
April 27th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Dakota Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Jhill,
I can’t believe you don’t understand that the right to disagree with how a team is being managed is part of what you get when you decide to follow a team as a fan. We don’t have to simply sit back and clap for the team just because they do something. We have the right to disagree with the moves. Sitting back and blindly applauding offseason moves is really quite strange in my opinion.
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You ever think you and kookell and LMN are the exact opposite of the “blindly applauding”….you guys are the ultimate BLINDLY WHINING….
April 27th, 2009 at 9:48 am
excuse me for the sarcasm
April 27th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Got to turn your weaknesses into strengths. That’s what we did at WR this year. Next year it will be the D-line, and then we are off to the playoffs!!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Great blurb on Desmond Bryant I found to get people excited:
“I was doing my daily rounds the other day, and came across this Pro Day evaluation of a D Lineman that I thought was so off the charts, I needed to share it with somebody…lol…Lucky You Guys…
The guy is Desmond Bryant- DE – Harvard University.
Only 22 career starts – 12 Sacks, 19 Tackles for Loss
All Ivy League
Ivy League takes no Dummy’s- Majored in Psychology (this team needs smarts)
Recorded Best Bench Press of All Time at Harvard Football (520lbs)
6′ 5″5/8 288lbs.- perfect size for 3-4 DE
11.5 inch hands – Would have rated biggest at NFL Combine-huge asset for DE
35.5″ Arm Length- Would have rated longest at NFL Combine-huge asset for DE.
225lbs Bench – 35 times / with 35″+ arms? That is super human, best of Combine.
4.92 40 yard- 4th fastest time among D Linemen over 285lbs.
2.82 20 yard- same time as 2-3rd round prospect Dorell Scott, and better BJ Raji.
1.67 10 yard- better than 1st rd 3-4 DE Tyson Jackson.
31″ Verticle Jump- 21/2″ better than 1st round 3-4 DE Tyson Jackson.
9′ 10″ Broad Jump- Would have rated #1 Down linemen at NFL Combine.
4.45 20 yd Shuttle- Better than first day-QB-Stafford, WR Britt, TE-Casey, DE-Kruger
7.44 3 Cone- Better than 1st day prospects -
DT-Raji, OLB-Maybin, DT-Hood, DE- Ayers, DE- Gilbert, DE-Jackson, DE- Kruger”
April 27th, 2009 at 9:49 am
thanks BBB -
I’m pulling for DT Mitchell or Favorite!
Never heard of Obiozor or Lane …
April 27th, 2009 at 9:50 am
# 16yearsold16yearfan Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:24 am
its my birthday and al davis got me the worst present ever with this draft
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congrats kiddo, sad uncle Al didnt give some Line-help :/ but at least you got a new moniker!
April 27th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Alisgod,
Are you sure? Have you done a thorough evaluation of DHB’s route-running on YouTube? That is, after all, the only true source of information on an athlete.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Alisgod,
It isn’t blindly “whining” when the team is setting records for futility. More like informed whining, lol.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:51 am
# 16yearsold16yearfan Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:28 am
everybody here was mad when mayock said he al was gonna draft dhb now you love the pick and think he’s gonna be good
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you nailed it, so true =) you can say the same about Barnes, had he been a KC,SD or DEN today they all would cr4p all over him..
April 27th, 2009 at 9:52 am
damm-it
April 27th, 2009 at 9:55 am
16yearsold16yearfan – I didn’t notice the name change! Ha. Happy Birthday young man.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:55 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Alisgod,
Are you sure? Have you done a thorough evaluation of DHB’s route-running on YouTube? That is, after all, the only true source of information on an athlete.
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Bwhahahaah, funny stuff =)
April 27th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Dibbly on KNBR made a good point about DHB… we cant compare him to being a 7 pick but we should compare him to our standards.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Desmond Bryant sounds like Tommy Kelly 2.0, both undrafted free agent steals.
Can you imagine lining up a 34 front with Kelly, Sands and Bryant. I like the sound of that. Sands plays much better lined up over the center.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:56 am
thats a very bold prediction. i love the raiders but let’s be realistic? 2 TD’s… only??? how about 5 + 2 TD’s on reverse plays!!!
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LMFAO!
April 27th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Dakota…
didnt you start rambling about Desmond Bryant as early as November???
April 27th, 2009 at 9:56 am
our standards of the make up of this team
April 27th, 2009 at 9:56 am
So Crabtree is gonna be a bust because we didn’t pick him?? That’s logical. I guess Darrius is gonna be a bust because The Raiders took him in the first round!!
The big problem with The Raiders selecting players based on “our” system is that the system changes every 2 years. When our next system comes in and wants to run the WCO they are going to have 2 deep threat receivers. It’s not like we’ve got Landry or Cowher standing over there. Crabtree will be very good(if he can lose the Sanders posse) and so will Heyward-Bey.
But passing on all of these o-lineman because they don’t fit todays scheme is gonna bite us yet again!
April 27th, 2009 at 9:56 am
heres a good FB
Tyler Roehl
# 46
Fullback – FB
Height: 5-10 Weight: 228
Freshman
Previous Affiliations
West Fargo HS (Jay Gibson)
Previous Experience
HS
West Fargo, N.D.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Dakota,
You know you are my man, 50 grand!
We’re good, and we agree to a degree. I just think we did upgrade Cornbread and Grove, and the 3rd down lack of pass rush was more pressing than Kelly or Warren.
If I do back to your anti Hall commentary last season, what are we saying that is so different.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:59 am
saint im not saying crabtree will be a bust i was just playing around cuz we passed on him and he went to the niners like i said i was trying to make myself feel better
April 27th, 2009 at 9:59 am
The best analogy I’ve seen so far is the New England Patriots. We’d never heard of Bruschi, Vrabel, Brady and the like, but we all know how they produced. That’s because they were FOOTBALL PLAYERS, not simply big names with a hype machine surrounding them.
We all have our opinions on who WE THINK the Raiders should have picked, but one thing that we can not argue is the FOOTBALL PEDIGREE, CHARACTER, and WORK ETHIC of the players that we selected this year.
It looks like Cable and Al Davis chose to target FOOTBALL PLAYERS this year even though they may not have had all the press and media coverage.
You can teach plays, routes, schemes and alignments. You can’t teach HEART and CHARACTER.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Al Davis reminds me of Fidel Castro…muther fvcker never dies…
April 27th, 2009 at 10:00 am
# BART Bridge Blues Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Desmond Bryant sounds like Tommy Kelly 2.0, both undrafted free agent steals.
Can you imagine lining up a 34 front with Kelly, Sands and Bryant. I like the sound of that. Sands plays much better lined up over the center.
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wise words! I love the 3-4, maybe they will ease into a scheme change?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Saint…careful, according to Jhill, you are not a real man unless you sit back and applaud every move by the Raiders.
Jhill is going to pull your Raider Nation membership card if you don’t simply accept the present course of action by the managing general partner.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Clinton Portis, Darren Sproles, Larry Johnson, Brandon Jacobs, Willis Mcgahee, Willie Parker, Brian Westbrook and Marion Barber will flat out refuse to play against Terdell Sands and Ricky Brown
April 27th, 2009 at 10:03 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Dakota…
didnt you start rambling about Desmond Bryant as early as November???
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No, but I was calling for Red Bryant last year…maybe that is what you are thinking of.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:03 am
You think Al Davis was bobbing his head to the 50 cent beat when drooling over the Mitchell you tube clip?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:04 am
SaintKaufman Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:56 am
So Crabtree is gonna be a bust because we didn’t pick him?? That’s logical. I guess Darrius is gonna be a bust because The Raiders took him in the first round!!
Crabtree is gonna have to deal with Singletary… did anyone see this clown on sportsnetcentral? he likes to “dress his team” or whatever that means… he also said he mastered his position at TT in the BIG 12???? WTF. if he was a raider, i would defend him but hes not so… this cat is just filled w/ himself.
DHB isnt what I wanted for christmas but I dont own,play, or direct the team… even though I questioned my renewal, im gonna have to support him regardless if i want this team to win.
id challenge everyone here to start supporting him as well, even though he’s not the one we wanted…
April 27th, 2009 at 10:04 am
# RAJ ALL DAY Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Al Davis reminds me of Fidel Castro…muther fvcker never dies…
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good call! he never dies and he give social security to his former players that ends up poor and ill, just like good ole fidel =)
April 27th, 2009 at 10:05 am
I think Al’s head always bobs, regardless of a beat being played. Let’s hope he never sees a music video of 50, he might try and draft him next year.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:05 am
# Dakota Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:03 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Dakota…
didnt you start rambling about Desmond Bryant as early as November???
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No, but I was calling for Red Bryant last year…maybe that is what you are thinking of.
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dammit, yes it was him…
April 27th, 2009 at 10:06 am
RAJ ALL DAY Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Al Davis reminds me of Fidel Castro…muther fvcker never dies…
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Lol. The most depressing thing about Saturday was that I had to turn to my wife after the DHB pick and tell her that Al’s mom lived until she was over 100 years old, so that means I might have to put up with 25 more years of this kind of backwards prioritizing on draft day.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Dakota LOL
“Jhill is going to pull your Raider Nation membership card if you don’t simply accept the present course of action by the managing general partner.”
I have sucked on Big Al’s nuts long enough to know how sour they taste and how senile he is.
He will no longer get any of my money!!!
No more shirts, pillows, lamps, jerseys or tickets for me to see a 5-11 team in a 50 year old stadium.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:08 am
# 16yearsold16yearfan Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:59 am
saint im not saying crabtree will be a bust i was just playing around cuz we passed on him and he went to the niners like i said i was trying to make myself feel better
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then keep up the good work, I didnt want crabtree, I think he is bad news, but i really didnt want a WR in the 1st at all, so it still not good enough, but here is to the birthday kid, lets say next year around this time, we can say at least we didnt pick crabtree =)
April 27th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Jhill is going to pull your Raider Nation membership card if you don’t simply accept the present course of action by the managing general partner.
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You got that right!
April 27th, 2009 at 10:10 am
anyone get an updated list of UDFA’s?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:11 am
YoungAmerican Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Alisgod,
Are you sure? Have you done a thorough evaluation of DHB’s route-running on YouTube? That is, after all, the only true source of information on an athlete.
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No you dumb a$$, do you find me saying DHB’s route running is great? Actually if you do your homework, you’ll find me as having a wait comment or wait for judgement or dont support the pick of WR in the first round on DHB.
You’ll find me saying that they should just try the screen pass with him and McFadden. You will find me compliment Crabtree’s hands. Here in the South where I live, I actually watched Crabtree and not just 20 seconds of praise on Kiper’s lips either ok?
You wanna take another shot at me? Know your Schyttttt!
April 27th, 2009 at 10:11 am
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/indexn?blogid=11
April 27th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Louis Murphy might end up having a better career than DHB. Hands are not an issue with him, neither is speed, work ethic or character. If they Raiders can’t develop him, all hope (what little we have) is gone.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:12 am
when do we get a list of the Undraftd FAs we got ?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:13 am
UDFA
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/raiders/indexn?blogid=11
April 27th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Hey Dakota,
Don’t worry, I’m applauding all right. Just like when we got Gibson, Buchanon, Harris, Brayton, Gallery, Washington, McFadden and all of the other awesome first rounders that are still on our team.
Just like McFadden, I’ll be getting my Heyward-Bey jersey this year as well.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:17 am
I have sucked on Big Al’s nuts long enough to know how sour they taste and how senile he is.
He will no longer get any of my money!!!
No more shirts, pillows, lamps, jerseys or tickets for me to see a 5-11 team in a 50 year old stadium.
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That is HILARIOUS!
LMFAO!
April 27th, 2009 at 10:17 am
watching the draft i must say that crabtree didnt look to happy being picked by SF
April 27th, 2009 at 10:18 am
# SaintKaufman Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Hey Dakota,
Don’t worry, I’m applauding all right. Just like when we got Gibson, Buchanon, Harris, Brayton, Gallery, Washington, McFadden and all of the other awesome first rounders that are still on our team.
Just like McFadden, I’ll be getting my Heyward-Bey jersey this year as well.
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http://oaklandraiders.stores.yahoo.net/category-draft-jerseys.html
April 27th, 2009 at 10:19 am
# NJRaiderfan Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:17 am
watching the draft i must say that crabtree didnt look to happy being picked by SF
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not that Russell has showed much, every WR coming here knows Russell is the QB, in SF thats big ? furthermore he looked like he was sure he would be picked by us =)
April 27th, 2009 at 10:19 am
So how much are they paying you to pimp those jerseys 16??
April 27th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Hey, the Giants wanted DHB and were willing to move up in the draft to select him, so it is not that much of a reach, and I think he will be a better pro than Crabtree.
Mitchell, anyone who saw his highlights on youtube wanted this guy…I just hope his hard hitting highlights were not surrounded by missed tackle lowlights that don’t get placed on youtube. We will soon find out. I can’t wait to watch him in the preseason.
The WR in the 4th round is about where we should have been drafting a wr this year IMO, but hey, hopefully, one of them makes the team better.
The DEs??? Who knows.
The TE, hopefully he can block and make the special teams better.
DHB and Mitchell were both taken to fill needs, but building outwards in will probably lessen their impact on the team and have little impact on wins and losses. Hopefully in the next draft we get some o-linemen and DTs that can play, and then I would expect DHB and Mitchell to look much better.
I will also be interested to see how far DHB can run down the field before Russell is sacked by whoever Barnes is trying to block…20 yards? He will look very fast doing it though!
April 27th, 2009 at 10:20 am
One of the funniest/most interesting moments of the weekend was watching Jon Gruden do commentary on NFLN during the draft, and refer to the Raiders as “WE” on more than one occasion.
Slip of the tongue, maybe? Or perhaps Gruden is lobbying for a return to Oakland somehow.lol
April 27th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Jhill it may be funny to you but it is very sad and painful for us die hard fans that are now having to revolt in some manner to show we will not accept another 5-11 season.
so you and your complacent attitude of lets give the old man a chance to see if his picks will pan out is not going to help us change things it will only keep us where we are currently. Stuck in the mud!
Good luck with that….let me know how it works out of you.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:25 am
i just thought with so much people on the dhb bandwagon they should know where to get their jerseys
April 27th, 2009 at 10:26 am
I wonder how true the “promise” made to Barnes about not drafting Oline??? we will never know…
April 27th, 2009 at 10:27 am
FOUR-OHHHH-EIGHT!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 10:28 am
raiderrej Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:26 am
I wonder how true the “promise” made to Barnes about not drafting Oline??? we will never know…
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Didn’t Barnes’ agent confirm that there was no such promise?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:31 am
It looks like, what Alisgod calls, the Blindly Whining are singing away here.
Blindly Whining-Didn’t San Diego draft him?
Bob Marley:
That was some interesting stuff you posted on Marshall. Got any more?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Well, thanks for the help than 16! Are you really 16? Shouldn’t you be chasing girls at school right now?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:33 am
already got a girl but im on independent study and i dont have anything to do
April 27th, 2009 at 10:33 am
anyone watching 1st take? raider bashing… skip baylor interrupted jhill by bringing up tampa… he isnt bashing us as bad the others but he did call out Al Davis
April 27th, 2009 at 10:34 am
ahh,independence
April 27th, 2009 at 10:35 am
I like this Bryant Kid, same size and #s like Mario Williams.
Maybe he can compete to play Base End, you know!!
April 27th, 2009 at 10:35 am
I would like to independent study her:
http://theryancokeexperience.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/elisha-cuthbert1.jpg
April 27th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Raiderrej Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:33 am
anyone watching 1st take? raider bashing… skip baylor interrupted jhill by bringing up tampa… he isnt bashing us as bad the others but he did call out Al Davis
i meant *skip baylus my bad…
April 27th, 2009 at 10:37 am
666
We should have drafted her.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Fair enough. Keep that school thing going. You’re gonna need it!!
These guys are gonna skewer DHB when he inevitably makes his first few rookie mistakes. It’s gonna take a couple of years to get any value out of him.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Look you whiners…
The Old Al Davis would have moved up to #2 and drafted the workout warrior Orakpo or Michael Johnson…remember Ricky Dudley?
We drafted FOOTBALL PLAYERS this year that “happens to have speed” (DHB, Mitchell, Murphy). We drafted high motor guys for the D. Would you please stop sucking on the pundits and actually analyze for once.
Do you see any pointguard that we are trying to convert to a WR on our draft? Do you see any safeties converted to WR?
I watched McShame today on tv. I thought he would apologize like Mayock and Kiper did but guess what he still says we could have Mitchell in later rounds when proven that Chicago would take him at 49 and the Cowgirls in round 3. All on BSPN are admitting that on tape Mitchell looks good but they refused to show it on tv? Do you ever wonder why? Maybe because it would make them look stupid!
I gotta give Eisen props for calling Mayock on Mitchell!
April 27th, 2009 at 10:41 am
I like our 2 WRs, And SS a lot.
We reached for one, and the other was the best Talent on the Board by far.
I don’t care if most think we reached for mike, the kid has the talent to be great.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:43 am
nader64 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:28 am
raiderrej Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:26 am
I wonder how true the “promise” made to Barnes about not drafting Oline??? we will never know…
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Didn’t Barnes’ agent confirm that there was no such promise?
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that proved to be true didnt it. It looks like Cable was happy with the FA he got. Al is happy with Henderson but I dont blame him. He already showed he can do it against the best unlike the draftees.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Dakota,
condolences.
looks like you’re going to have to go knocking on the doors of Dakota farms to inquire if some big ol’ farm kid wants to try his luck at OT for the Oakland Raiders.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:45 am
G@D D@mn Jose Cuervo… G@D D@M Al Davis G@d D@M wife!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In side out?? Inside out?? What inside of the fu(king paper bag you got on your G@D D@M head?? Or was it up yer AZZ Tom Cable/ Tom Davis???
I will pull for these clowns to become HOF players until the end. but the draft is a Poker game and we don’t know how to deal the cards!!
April 27th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Good day O, I see you made it through the weakend.
Rough a?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Garbage in garbage out on the o-line.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Dakota Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Garbage in garbage out on the o-line.
*************
Monroe would have been nice, a?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:49 am
a
April 27th, 2009 at 10:50 am
#10 in rushing is not garbola!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 10:50 am
aye
April 27th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Al Davis will be the first to draft a female! BET
April 27th, 2009 at 10:51 am
The worst thing about the DHB pick is that it meant Mike Lombardi was 100% correct…and everyone here laughed at him when he suggested we would take DHB @7.
That fat fuk was right.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:51 am
AYEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 10:52 am
4evaRaider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:50 am
#10 in rushing is not garbola!!!
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Just from a pass protection stand point.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:52 am
YEP, how did that happen, who leaked this info to Lombardi??
April 27th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Fox in the Hen house, a?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:54 am
mayock had it first lombardi just copied him
April 27th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Here is my Opinion, im not a scout, draft guru, and i don’t have access to film like so many here.
DHB-good pick-has the measurables, and from what i have read has the right character attributes we need.
Focus is inconsistent. Drops too many ‘catchable’ balls,Unpolished route runner that has a tendency to round off cuts and drift on occasion-these are the big knocks on him, pretty much the only knocks on him-these can both be coached out of him.
Was it a reach-maybe-but if he’s ur guy and u hear someone is trying to trade up and get him, or u don’t have a trade partner to move back and still get him, then no its not a reach
Should crabtree have been the pick-no-his me me attitude is wrong for what we are trying to do, and yes he does have it.
Mitchell-liking this pick more and more as i see and read more. seems to have it all for the position, measurables, stats attitude. problem is level of competition he played against for the most part.
this video shows some hilights, but also shows his
workouts, seems like a very hard worker:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYH2X2GNSr8
trying to read up as much as possible with the rest, really like Murphy in 4th tho, think it was a good spot for us to get a pretty good talent/character guy.
I think character is going to be a huge part of us turning anything around, if the team doesnt have the right attitude, doesnt matter how much talent they have.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:57 am
DirtyRaccoon
No need to leak retardation, Lombardi was around the drooling senile old man long enough to know his idiosyncrasies.
Thus he knew that Al would step in a big pile of dog chit on draft day.
And Al did and we now all can be amazed at how accurate the three toed sloth Lombardi is when it comes to predicting retardation.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:57 am
every body says dhb is gonna be good because he played in a pro style offense but he couldnt do anything against acc db’s how is he going to be good against nfl db
April 27th, 2009 at 10:57 am
On that ESPN interview Tom Cable looked like he had been stess eating for the last four months…hopefully he and Russell aren’t going out to lunch together very often.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:57 am
stress eating…
April 27th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Raccoon,
It’s different!!!
I wanted Monroe too, and I think we reached for DHB but I like him more than crab.
Also, I don’t like the the LB we drafted, I like Follett more, or Russell Allen.
I like all 3 FA signings: WR, LB, and Base End.
I’m a huge fan of Mitchell, and I really like Murphy.
Both DEs have a lit of upside.
I don’t love it, but I do like it. lol
April 27th, 2009 at 10:59 am
if al likes it you love it
April 27th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Raiderwoj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Here is my Opinion, im not a scout, draft guru, and i don’t have access to film like so many here.
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Don’t worry Raiderwoj even the “experts” fu(ked it up this year!! Your poins are valid with me, my only beef is the fasion in which we used our picks. Your picks are your leverage, you MUST play them well to win the the FA era we play in!
April 27th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Well, it took some serious cajones and balls to pass up Crabtree that’s for sure. If it works out, Al and Coach Cable are genius’. If it doesn’t Al is a senile old mule. Some one will haev to lead old Al back to the stable. LOL.
I’m liking the pick of Mitchell each day. Mitchell said Chicago was going to get him 2 or 3 picks later if the Raiders didn’t. Once the Raiders did, Chicago traded down. Murphy was a good snag in the 4th and insurance policy if DHB underachieves.
The thing I like is that it seems like the old man and coach cable are getting TEAM players who are humble guys and hard workers with the right attitude.
Remember Nation, we weren’t the only team that passed up Crabs. His lousy DIVA attitude probably turned off teams as well. It sure did in Cleveland.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:00 am
SilverNBlack666 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:57 am
DirtyRaccoon
No need to leak retardation, Lombardi was around the drooling senile old man long enough to know his idiosyncrasies.
Thus he knew that Al would step in a big pile of dog chit on draft day.
And Al did and we now all can be amazed at how accurate the three toed sloth Lombardi is when it comes to predicting retardation.
************LMFAO
April 27th, 2009 at 11:00 am
A lot of you people own Mike Lombardi an apology!
Let’s have it
April 27th, 2009 at 11:01 am
If you’re listening Al….
…obviously you are doing something wrong. No, we aren’t all as a Nation going to keep bashing this year’s selections because regardless, D-Bey and M&M are both Raiders now and we’ll ride with ‘em to the end, but tidbits like ‘this is the 8th time in the past nine years that we’ve taken a DB in the 1st or second round’ should be a clear signal that we aren’t picking players correctly. As much as I want to defend these selections, d@mnit Al! Another DB? Another freakin’ DB? ANOTHER DB? I would say you picked Nnamdi correctly, but in actuality, the odds say one of those 8 DB’s had to work out for us, so luckily we got the best one there is now. I’m sure the Mitchell kid will be a decent player, but how in the hell do we not attempt to get younger at the interior defensive line position? Not one DT!? Not one OT!? F#ck!!!! Those are our two most obvious glaring needs and I’m sure the players know that too. All you did this weekend was piss our entire locker room off, not to mention 98% of the fan base.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:01 am
WOW……..just WOW………..Im worried about Double R, dorco rob,and a few other I hadnt seen……ammo turkey hunting…golf this could be bad……ohhh…my…
Sincerely,
Confused….
April 27th, 2009 at 11:01 am
I used to make this joke in here a few weeks ago and here is how it went:
How we should draft:
OL
DL
MLB
S
WR
FB
Here is how Al Davis will actually draft:
Fastest guy at combine
CB
WR
other fast guy
then maybe a defensive player
Man was I dead on or what!!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 11:02 am
A lot of you people owe Mike Lombardi an apology!
Let’s have it
April 27th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Dakota,
LMAO, stress eating. I know, you know!!
April 27th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Raider O Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Raccoon,
It’s different!!!
I wanted Monroe too, and I think we reached for DHB but I like him more than crab.
Also, I don’t like the the LB we drafted, I like Follett more, or Russell Allen.
I like all 3 FA signings: WR, LB, and Base End.
I’m a huge fan of Mitchell, and I really like Murphy.
Both DEs have a lit of upside.
I don’t love it, but I do like it. lol
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I like the players too, I DO NOT LIKE THE manner in which they were drafted. Like in Poker ya can’t go all in EVERY time… BOOM or BUST
April 27th, 2009 at 11:03 am
After calming down yesterday. I have no personal problam with DHB and Mitchell, I like DHB upside better than the special teamer Maclin and I’m liking the Mitchell pick more and more.
However, my problem and why I was so pissed on saturday and why I didn’t even bother watching yesterday is the strategy.
Thats fine if they DHB was their guy, but I find it hard to believe the Raiders couldn’t have traded down to at least 15 and still got DHB.
I just hope DHB plays with a chip on his shoulder and aims to prove people wrong.
That should be his main motivation.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Slip of the tongue, maybe? Or perhaps Gruden is lobbying for a return to Oakland somehow.lol
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Missed this was it blatent?? I would like hin to come coach Qb’s or some sort of offensive assitant hell her woulda stayed if Uncle Al would have paid him to begin with…….
Still,
Confused
April 27th, 2009 at 11:04 am
I hope Jmac is working on his lil touch-passes.We start completing those short ones it will open up the long ones. Example:
Raiders line up,1st and 10 on their own 37 thanx 2 J.Miller.Bey lined up wide-right,Chaz wide-left,JLH slot right and Dmac the lone back.Snap Jmac throws a lil zinger past the LB’s reach and bang 22 yards,1st down.Same formation,snap,Jmac zings another,no wait pump-fake and B-A-M!!!!!!! hits Bey is stride……….TOUCH-DOWN RAIIIIIIIIIIIDEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Gruden said we on all teams he was “reefering” 2
April 27th, 2009 at 11:05 am
People in Wyoming must sure know their football.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=pollindex&pollId=70556
April 27th, 2009 at 11:06 am
that 1st pass was 2 Dmac
April 27th, 2009 at 11:07 am
SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 11:01 am
If you’re listening Al….
…obviously you are doing something wrong. No, we aren’t all as a Nation going to keep bashing this year’s selections because regardless, D-Bey and M&M are both Raiders now and we’ll ride with ‘em to the end, but tidbits like ‘this is the 8th time in the past nine years that we’ve taken a DB in the 1st or second round’ should be a clear signal that we aren’t picking players correctly. As much as I want to defend these selections, d@mnit Al! Another DB? Another freakin’ DB? ANOTHER DB? I would say you picked Nnamdi correctly, but in actuality, the odds say one of those 8 DB’s had to work out for us, so luckily we got the best one there is now. I’m sure the Mitchell kid will be a decent player, but how in the hell do we not attempt to get younger at the interior defensive line position? Not one DT!? Not one OT!? F#ck!!!! Those are our two most obvious glaring needs and I’m sure the players know that too. All you did this weekend was piss our entire locker room off, not to mention 98% of the fan base.
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Well said.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:07 am
They left Raji and Monroe there for DHB????????????????
April 27th, 2009 at 11:07 am
gruden said we when he was talking about the cowboys too i think hes trying to interviewing for his next job while hes on tv
April 27th, 2009 at 11:08 am
KoolKell,
DHB did burn Delaware…and Nevada.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Its OK KoolKell we also let NE steal Ron Brace form us!
April 27th, 2009 at 11:08 am
interview
April 27th, 2009 at 11:10 am
just found out my ex’s niece is now a Raiderette, glad i stayed friends with em, might be able to get some free stuff since her whole family is whiner fans
April 27th, 2009 at 11:10 am
we got that DT from Harvard.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Raccoon,
I agree, you can’t go all in all the time!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 11:11 am
All those players fell to us, and we reached.
Did we pass on Brace & Mack in the 2nd?
All I was the DHB pick, and went nuts.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:12 am
458…ahhh I get it ..LOL
hmmmmm………mad …no?!?!…sad…no?!?!?! confused yes!!!!
Overwhelmingly,
Confused
April 27th, 2009 at 11:13 am
All those players fell to us, and we reached.
Did we pass on Brace & Mack in the 2nd?
All I saw was the DHB pick, and went nuts.
Excuse me, I’m a little hungover.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:14 am
this defense… if they can stop the run more consistently, they will get to the QB. just thiunk of all the drives and games we gave up sitting in prevent with no rush…they will play these OLBs as DEs in passing situations, PS-Madden-style. i like this a lot.
jsut need to stop the run on a more consistent basis. but regardless, its not like we will never be in a fukkin 3rd and long again, so the next time we are in one, we will BRING IT!
we did shut some teams down but too many times only sporadically in the first halfs or sometimes the second but with actually a number of games in there where they showed up for 3, 4 quarters looking dominant in all phases…
the potential, talent, meat, weight to force 3rd and longs is there and IMO, just needs to be teached to play LOW to be more effective(thats why i didnt expect a DT in the draft… or OL. hoped yes but couldnt see it with A Smith gone and the number of good, young, experienced FA class added there). we play with terrible Padlevel for guys 6-5 and up, for years now. i still remember Kitten specificaly talking about this in a PC and imm really hoping this is mainly what Coach Cable means when he says they need to change the way, the things they teach.
stay low, get them in 3rd in longs and unleash these hustlas
April 27th, 2009 at 11:14 am
=)
April 27th, 2009 at 11:16 am
I am going to start a 1-800 help line for suicidal or depressed Raider fans.
1-800-crap-draft
April 27th, 2009 at 11:17 am
so,we didn’t NEED a safety.
KK-you wanted Craptree but you hate DHB?that is exactly why fans should never fall in love with certain players-just positions of need.
and i guess most of you don’t understand-the Raiders didn’t think DT was as great of a need as WR,DE,Safety(not CB-there is a huge difference),and DE.
waa,waa,waa.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Raiderwoj:
Good post.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Glad you feel me Raccoon. I mean, d@mn, now our entire locker room will start to have that little smidgen of doubt lurking in their heads that our owner/emperor might have really lost his marbles. Luckily, football is a more physical sport than basketball so the players have to give full effort or risk injury; otherwise we’d be the Clippers pretending to be give half an effort for “I’ve always been a sucky a$$ coach” Dunleavy. When will the suffering stop?
April 27th, 2009 at 11:19 am
The more I think about the players picked, the more I like the draft. I keep on going up and back and I’m getting more positive. Kiper is an idiot, and so are the others.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Patriots got Ron Brace from the Raiders???????????omg!
April 27th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Glad you feel me Raccoon. I mean, d@mn, now our entire locker room will start to have that little smidgen of doubt lurking in their heads that our owner/emperor might have really lost his marbles
Thats the most out-landish thing I ever did here lolololololol lurking smidgens OOOOO NOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! lololololololol
April 27th, 2009 at 11:23 am
heAr
April 27th, 2009 at 11:23 am
I admii\t I wanted Crabtree but he was not a fit in the offense. After the home and away uniforms, what is he going to wear? He only wears an outfit once. LMFAO
April 27th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Yeah Mel Kiper is an idiot, so is Mike Lombardi, Mike Mayock, and every media person in the world, If it makes you feel better.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:25 am
YES JIM kiper is an idiot
April 27th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Thanks KK. The posters on this blog probably do as much reseach as they do. They get locked into a position and can’t change their opinion.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:27 am
wow……Double R,
You cool brother????
April 27th, 2009 at 11:28 am
meant LB.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:28 am
I am most upset that we didn’t get a decent LT prospect in this draft. We have Henderson, who is a marginal LT at best, and we have Barnes on a 1-year contract. WTF happens if Henderson slumps or god forbid gets injured early in the season? We could have easily gotten Jamon Meredith or even William Beatty, I know those guys can work in the ZBS. That is the one thing that still really bothers me about this draft, even more vexing is that we have not gotten any OT’s in UDFA yet either. Joel Bell was sitting their for the taking, he has the look of a Cable lineman, great size and everything. Not sure what are back-up plan would be if Henderson fails, and if we are able to choose a LT as talented as Eugene Monroe ever again, it means we are once again at the bottom of the league.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:29 am
England
thanx, just believe that the attitude on the team needs to change big time for us to go anywhere. That takes unselfish hard workers, guys with a chip on their shoulder with somethin to pove, and its starting to look like we might have gotten a couple of those in the draft.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:31 am
4Eva – The most out-landish thing I ever heard came from Goodell this past Saturday….”With the 7th pick of the NFL Draft….”
I’ll defend the picks ’cause I’m a fan, and always will be. S&B is what I bleed. But the fact we could have gotten at least 3 more picks with that spot for a player we could have snagged later is outlandish. Outlandish is then drafting yet another safety who we probably could have gotten even more picks for with that spot that I’m positive we could have got later. The players are decent, but the urgency to pick them up was non-existent. Maybe Al caught Swine Flu this weekend? That’s the only logical explanation for what he did ignoring our needs for OT’s and DT’s.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:31 am
EX-no they lock into a certain player and can’t change their opinion.and for those that say we could have traded back and still got DHB-no we couldn’t have.nobody wanted to trade up after the Jets did to get Sanchez.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:31 am
What just happened? I must have blacked out awhile ago………..I thought I heard us take DHB instead of Crabtree…….what the…..(THUD)zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
April 27th, 2009 at 11:33 am
New England got Brace because of the Raiders?
So what? That was then, this is now.
For that matter, we got Mitchell thanks to San Diego.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:33 am
must………stay………con…..scious……..aaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhh…………
April 27th, 2009 at 11:36 am
S&Bbleeder
ur positive we could have gotten mitchell later, even after he said Chicago wasgonna get him 2 spots later?
Mitchell: I thought I was going to Chicago. Because they had told me to stay
close to my phone
April 27th, 2009 at 11:36 am
Bleeder-do you read what the team says or even think before you post?the Bears were going to take Mitchell 2 spots after our pick.nobody wanted to trade up to 7.Cable said we have addressed the OL already.sure Monroe would have been nice,but the team felt we are already set there.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:37 am
The Raiders traded Brace for Mitchell and Murphy. I like the idea of spending money on WR and S rather then a bunch more money on another DT.
I’ll give Marshall one year with the Raiders current DTs to see if they can stop the run. If the Raiders get better at stopping the run, then Cable is right, they just needed better coaching. If not, cut the fat and draft a DT and get a FA.
Everyone was saying this is a very bad year for DT and a great year for WR.
Now just go out and get LEROY HILL!
April 27th, 2009 at 11:37 am
David Stern Says:
“with the #7 pick the Golden State Warriors Select: Darrius Heyword-Bey”
Warrior Fans Says:
“Wtf… we reached for that pick”
April 27th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Raiderwoj:
You’re right. There’s been an expect to lose attitude in that locker room for six years that Cable’s trying to change.
That expect to lose attitude spread to this blog too.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:39 am
It looks like CC is satisfied with our O-line.He thinks we already have most of our O-line.The greatest needs of the team were WR he S DE LB DE TE according 2 staff.We picked up a DT and MLB>It looks good 2 me
April 27th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Jerry, give us the good news…
We just traded J. Fargas to Greenbay for Johnny Jolly
April 27th, 2009 at 11:42 am
every guy we took is a hard working,high motor,great character type person.no prima donnas.those are the type of players good teams are built with.not me first guys like Craptree.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:43 am
If anything, I’d stick with Cable’s opinion on the line rather than some mock draft guys or fans own opinions of what this team needs. Keep in mind, Cable has been one of the best line coaches out there and knows his stuff. Did he make a bad call with Harris? Sure, name one coach who never believed in a player that failed to pan out. If Cable believes this line is better now than last year, he has my support. Keep in mind, this team still has UDFA and FA out there he is bringing in to compete.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Cable:
“You have to start living and playing with honor and that means doing things right, with discipline and being selfless. I thought we really took to that the last six weeks and I see it in the offseason program. That’s who I am. I don’t want to do that and inherit a bunch of craziness. At the same time, men are men, boys are boys and they do there things. But I don’t want to bring someone in here that I thought was crazy, that couldn’t fit, that was about him. He had to be about the team. He had to ask me on the phone after we picked him if he could play on special teams. Those kinds of things were really important to me.”
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In other words, Crabtree was never an option.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Hey, I won’t sit here and say I know who is going to be good and who isn’t. I also understand it wasn’t a good year to trade out of the top ten.
But it still bothers me that we took DHB at 7. You can’t change what happened though and the Raiders obviously think alot of him.
My gut feeling is he will have a few, but not nearly enough, good plays and flame out in 3 years.
I hope i’m wrong, but I also think Crabtree will be a very good pick, and be a top ten NFL reciever.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:46 am
A young, powerful defensive tackle who parlayed a strong finish to his rookie campaign and an impressive 2007 training camp to open last season as a starting defensive tackle alongside Ryan Pickett
Started seven of the season’s first 10 games, alternating with Corey Williams, before a shoulder injury in Week 11 vs. Carolina (Nov. 18) ended his season
Recovered from shoulder surgery, is expected to battle for his starting spot once again
Had come on strong late in his rookie 2006 campaign, catching the coaching staff’s eye with his work in practice, prompting him to be active for the final four contests after playing in just two of the first 12 games
In 16 career games over two seasons, has 35 tackles (17 solo) with one sack, one fumble recovery and six passes defensed
Three of those batted passes came in his first NFL start, the ‘07 season opener, vs. Philadelphia (Sept. 9)
First of the Packers’ two selections in the sixth round (183rd overall) in 2006
Green Bay acquired the choice from St. Louis with a fourth-round pick (109) – obtained earlier in the draft from the Eagles – for a fourth-round choice (93)
The Packers originally picked up Jolly’s slot from Atlanta after swapping with the Falcons the second-round choice obtained from Denver in the Javon Walker trade on Day 1 of the draft
Joined on the Packers’ defensive line by college teammate Michael Montgomery, a sixth-round pick in 2005 who played alongside Jolly for two seasons (2003-04) at Texas A&M
Missed Packers’ first post-draft mini-camp as a rookie because of an ankle injury – the reason he wasn’t drafted earlier – but was available for the rest of the offseason program
An inspirational player at A&M, was voted by his teammates to the squad’s Leadership Council in both his junior and senior years
A three-year starter at Texas A&M who started the final 35 games of his college career
After a breakout sophomore campaign (2003) – in which he had a career-best 95 tackles, posted a pair of sacks and deflected eight passes – became a focal point in opponents’ game plans in 2004, and saw double teams on a weekly basis
Rebounded in 2005 to notch a career-high 4½ sacks
For his efforts as a sophomore, received delayed recognition from Big 12 observers, garnering all-conference honors in each of his final two seasons despite lesser numbers
Played 47 games for Texas A&M, recording 230 tackles (111 solo), 6½ sacks, 28 tackles for loss and 16 pass deflections
2007 Season Back To Top
Started at right defensive tackle to open the season, rapidly ascending to the spot after a standout training camp and preseason
Played in the first 10 games with seven starts, alternating with Corey Williams
After sustaining shoulder injury vs. Carolina (Nov. 18), did not play at Detroit (Nov. 22) or at Dallas (Nov. 29) and was placed on IR Dec. 11
Registered 31 tackles (14 solo) and five passes defensed, with one sack
Started at right defensive tackle vs. Philadelphia (Sept. 9); batted away a team-high three passes and made five tackles (one solo)
Started again at New York Giants (Sept. 16) and made four tackles (three solo)
Came off the bench vs. San Diego (Sept. 23) and made three assisted tackles
At Minnesota (Sept. 30), picked up a Vikings fumble and returned it 19 yards; Brett Favre threw his record-setting 421st career TD pass to Greg Jennings on the following drive to give Green Bay a 7-0 lead
Started vs. Chicago (Oct. 7), tipped a pass and made three assisted tackles
Started vs. Washington (Oct. 14) and posted a career-high seven tackles (four solo), stopping Clinton Portis for a 2-yard loss in the first quarter
Came in as a reserve at Denver (Oct. 29); tackled RB Selvin Young for a 6-yard loss in the third quarter
At Kansas City (Nov. 4), provided a key block on Charles Woodson’s 46-yard INT TD return in the fourth quarter, blasting RB Priest Holmes out of the way; made two tackles (one solo) and one pass defensed
Vs. Minnesota (Nov. 11), started and sacked Brooks Bollinger in the fourth quarter for his first NFL sack
Vs. Carolina (Nov. 18), made a key block on Tramon Williams’ first-quarter 94-yard punt return for a TD, knocking down center Justin Hartwig at the line of scrimmage just after Williams scooped up the ball; injured his shoulder on the play. Returned to the game, but exited for good before halftime and missed the rest of the season
2006 Season Back To Top
Sixth-round pick played in six games and was inactive for the other 10
Was inactive for a pair of five-game stretches, sandwiched around two games played in Weeks 7-8
Then played in each of the final four contests (the Packers were 6-0 with him in uniform)
Played from scrimmage in five games (73 snaps), collecting four tackles (three solo) and breaking up one pass
Played his first pro contest, at Miami (Oct. 22), and saw 20 plays on defense, coming away with his first career tackle
The following week vs. Arizona (Oct. 29), made a solo tackle and played a season-high 21 snaps
Also played on defense at San Francisco (Dec. 10), vs. Detroit (Dec. 17) and at Chicago (Dec. 31); had a pass defensed and two stops in Bears game
College Back To Top
Played 47 games for Texas A&M, including 35 starts (in succession to close his career), recording 230 tackles (111 solo), 6½ sacks, 28 tackles for loss and 16 pass deflections
and vs. Texas (Nov. 28)
As a senior, named All-Big 12 honorable mention by the league’s coaches
Started all 11 games at left defensive tackle, finishing third on team with 64 tackles (20 solo), including 4½ sacks and 11½ tackles for loss
Recorded a season-high 11 tackles, including two sacks and three stops for loss, vs. Baylor (Oct. 1)
In collegiate finale vs. Texas (Nov. 25), combined with linemate Michael Bennett to sack QB Vince Young for 12-yard loss
Coming off a big sophomore season led to a lot of double teams and a drop in statistics as a junior, but still earned second-team All-Big 12 honors from the Dallas Morning News and honorable mention by league coaches and Associated Press
Started all 12 games at left defensive tackle, finishing with 45 tackles (18 solo), including 26 stops in the team’s last four games
Had season-high eight tackles at Texas (Nov. 26) and had two of his 3½ tackles for loss vs. Tennessee in Cotton Bowl (Jan. 1, 2005)
Had four of his six pass deflections vs. Oklahoma (Nov. 6) and Heisman Trophy-winning QB Jason White
As a sophomore, moved into the starting lineup for good in season opener and became the Aggies’ defensive MVP
Recorded a career-high 95 tackles, including 54 solo and 12 tackles resulting in third-down stops
Also had 12 tackles for loss, including two sacks vs. Baylor (Oct. 11), and deflected eight passes
Posted a career-high 13 tackles at Oklahoma (Nov.
As a true freshman and reserve defensive tackle, appeared in 12 games and made 26 tackles (19 solo) with one stop for loss
Also caused and recovered a fumble
Had a season-high five tackles vs. Missouri (Nov. 16) and blocked a field goal, one of two blocks on the season
Majored in agriculture and life science
Personal Back To Top
Given name Johnny Ray Jolly Jr
.Nicknamed ‘Bokey’ by his mother
Born in Houston
Single
Three-time all-district defensive lineman at Forest Brook High School in Houston
Earned district MVP honors as a senior, helping team win district title
Made 95 tackles as a senior and 85 as a junior with five fumble recoveries
Has spent much of the past year as a key adult influence in the lives of twin boys back home whom he calls his nephews; their mother, a woman Jolly refers to as a godsister and close family friend, was shot and killed in May 2007
Has participated in dinners to benefit the Donald Driver Foundation
Spent time visiting sick children at St. Joseph Hospital in College Station, Texas
Spoke to children at his hometown elementary school about making good decisions
Is helping run a full-week football camp in Houston with NFL players Shaun Rodgers (Browns), Casey Hampton (Steelers), and Kevin Everett
This offseason helped move his mother into her new house he bought for her
Likes to play basketball and video games on his Xbox LIVE and PlayStation 3 (especially ‘Halo’ and ‘NBA 2K8′), bowling, pool, and spending time with family
Residence: Houston, Texas
Player Stats Back To Top
Tackles Sacks Interceptions Fumbles
Year GP GS Tot Solo Asst Sk Yds No Yds Lg TD PD FF FR Yds
2006 Green Bay 6 0 4 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 0 0 0
2007 Green Bay 10 7 31 14 17 1 7 0 0 0 0 5 0 1 19
NFL totals (two years) 16 7 35 17 18 1 7 0 0 0 0 6 0 1 19
On injured reserve for Packers’ two games during ‘07 playoffs
SINGLE-GAME CAREER HIGHS
Tackles
Total: 7, vs. Was. (10/14/07)
Solo: 4, vs. Was. (10/14/07)
Sacks: 1, vs. Min. (11/4/07)
Passes defensed
Total: 3, vs. Phi. (9/9/07)
NFL debut: at Miami, 10/22/06
First NFL start: vs. Philadelphia, 9/9/07
First NFL sack: vs. Minnesota, 11/11/07
CAREER TRANSACTIONS
2006: Selected by Green Bay Packers as first of two choices in sixth round (183rd overall) of ‘06 NFL Draft, April 30 (pick obtained from St. Louis with fourth-round choice for Packers’ third-round selection)…Signed first contract, July 7.
2007: Placed on injured reserve (shoulder), Dec. 11.
CURRENT CONTRACT EXPIRATION: After 2009
April 27th, 2009 at 11:47 am
VegasRaider you out there?
What odds can I get on Prime Minister Brown losing the next election.
Just read about a guy who, a year ago, got odds of 66-1 that Brown would lose. If Brown loses, and he will, the guy gets $99,000 on a $1500 bet.
That would be nice, trips to Hawaii, season tickets, maybe even a beer and a hot dog at the game-one anyway.
If I can get 66-1, I’m in for a nickel.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:49 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Thanks KK. The posters on this blog probably do as much reseach as they do. They get locked into a position and can’t change their opinion.
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Exactly right. You notice how Nfltv nor espn have yet to show a clip of Mitchell? I just read Mitchell’s scouting report on nfl.com. He is exactly what I thought he’d be. Now they call him the missle at Ohio….What are we going to call him here? Assasin already taken…
April 27th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Ryan Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Cable:
“You have to start living and playing with honor and that means doing things right, with discipline and being selfless. I thought we really took to that the last six weeks and I see it in the offseason program. That’s who I am. I don’t want to do that and inherit a bunch of craziness. At the same time, men are men, boys are boys and they do there things. But I don’t want to bring someone in here that I thought was crazy, that couldn’t fit, that was about him. He had to be about the team. He had to ask me on the phone after we picked him if he could play on special teams. Those kinds of things were really important to me.”
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In other words, Crabtree was never an option.
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You knew Al wasnt taking a gu without blazing speed at WR
April 27th, 2009 at 11:50 am
DirtyRaccoon,
Are you telling the truth? Is Fargas gone?
April 27th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Woj & Lefty – Trust me fellas. I’m the optimist as much as the next man. But I’m also a realist. OK, so say we missed out on Mitchell. How many times did the safety spot kill us this past year? I can’t really remember, yet I do remember Jamarcus not having 3 seconds to make a decision at least 2 times a series. Not to mention the number of times I’ve seen opposing teams run half back freakin’ dives for 12 yards a rip. Does anybody remember the Atlanta game? That might have been the worst Raider game I’ve ever seen. Ever. Atlanta did the best job at exposing our two biggest weaknesses. DT and OT. I mean, holy sh!t, we all act like we don’t watch football. If Al played craps, he would be the guy who loves getting the point number 10, yet would always seems surprised when he craps out when the high percentage ‘7′ shows up again before his 10. Yet, when his 10 shows up every 15 rolls, he’s a genius. I guess I just don’t get it…….Why ride and die on the premise that the overlooked guy is always going to overachieve? Why not take the guy who has been overachieving, who we’ve all witnessed and drooled over and hope he overachieves more.
Bottom line – I like the players, but we could have gotten so much more with those positions.
Look at like this. I got two flat tires. I went to the Al Davis Auto Shop and they told me I needed a new rear spoiler with the light in the middle. Great. My car still can’t move, but at least it looks fast…..
April 27th, 2009 at 11:51 am
THE ROSTER IS SET.
Get all wet over UFA’s but maybe 1 of them will be this year’s Watkins and make the roster with the help of injury and see virtually no playing time.
Barring major trades or injuries we have-
QB – JR
HB – Bush/DMAC/Fargas
FB – ONeal
TE – Miller / Myers
WR – DHB, JLH, Walker, Chazz, Murphy, Shields (one of whom will hurt themselves in camp and get IR)
OT – Henderson / Barnes
OG – Gallary / Carlisle
C – Satele
The offense will run first and other than Miller still lacks the “hands” guy for 3rd and 6 converts.
Defense?
FOR 3 YEARS THE RAIDERS DEFENDED RYAN. NOW THE D JUST NEEDS BETTER COACHING?
A new Safety to improve our 31st run D? Didn’t we hear this last year with Wilson? Replacing Stu was going to solve the run D. Wrong.
Every D player drafted has speed but not run D qualities. Great.
DE – Burgess / Richardson
DT – Sands / Kelly
LB – Howard / Morrison / Brown
CB – Aso / CJ
S – Branch / Mitchell
Wow ZERO changes on the front 7. Replaced Wilson with Mitchell! Woo-hoo now we’re set!
Hopefully the rest of the division will suck worse than we’ll suck. Do an Arizona and try for 6-0 in division and 3-9 outside.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Did anybody on this blog call Darrius Bey?
April 27th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Brien,
I didn’t expect Seattle, Cleveland, Cincy, and Jacksonville to pass on him, also.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Draft a project at #7????????????????????????????????
April 27th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Lefty12:
Craptree eh? I like that.
I can just see Craptree standing on the sidelines now, his entourage behind him, telling Singletary what to do, Singletary giving Craptree that look he’s got.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Ryan Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 11:50 am
DirtyRaccoon,
Are you telling the truth? Is Fargas gone?
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No, I am just whishing out loud. We need fresh boddies on the D-line, and a stud LT
April 27th, 2009 at 11:54 am
BART Bridge Blues Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 11:28 am
I am most upset that we didn’t get a decent LT prospect in this draft. We have Henderson, who is a marginal LT at best, and we have Barnes on a 1-year contract. WTF happens if Henderson slumps or god forbid gets injured early in the season? We could have easily gotten Jamon Meredith or even William Beatty, I know those guys can work in the ZBS. That is the one thing that still really bothers me about this draft, even more vexing is that we have not gotten any OT’s in UDFA yet either. Joel Bell was sitting their for the taking, he has the look of a Cable lineman, great size and everything. Not sure what are back-up plan would be if Henderson fails, and if we are able to choose a LT as talented as Eugene Monroe ever again, it means we are once again at the bottom of the league.
BBB, I still believe Henderson ia much better than any LT we had since the nightmare started
April 27th, 2009 at 11:54 am
More and more I’m starting to see DHB as a faster version of Braylon Edwards. I still have yet to see him play and can’t wait to see some real film on him. But Braylon has inconsistent hands. Which just means the player has good hands but will drop passes that he normally catches eventhough he’s capable of making great catches. In a scouting report posted yesterday said as much. Braylon Edwards was drafted 3rd overall I believe. He still has a chance to a great talent he’s young and extremely talented. DHB seems very similar to him except the elite speed DHB posseses.
Anyone that says we did nothing to improve the defense vs the run just doesn’t understand defensive football. This team with Branch and Mitchell at the safety spots and Rickey Brown healthy with added depth at LBe. Not to mention the additions at defensive is significantly better IMO.
These kids Mitchell, Joseph and Branch do that alone.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:54 am
So the knee-jerk sterotypical Al Davis pundits were correct, afterall.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:55 am
KoolKell Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Did anybody on this blog call Darrius Bey?
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Yeah I did.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Al was trying to trade Fargas and Huff on the weekend but nothing happened and I can’t find anything that’s happening now.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Brien,
I guess Cable agrees with you, but what about depth?
April 27th, 2009 at 11:56 am
KoolKell Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Did anybody on this blog call Darrius Bey?
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Actually a few people did say that. Its hard to believe they drafted a WR who wont start over jlh and chaz
April 27th, 2009 at 11:56 am
DirtyRaccoon Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 11:55 am
KoolKell Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Did anybody on this blog call Darrius Bey?
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Yeah I did.
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Well not me, but it was my retarder brother Bielo!!
April 27th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Some people are just too stupid to acknowledge.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:56 am
BBB, no depth and that is a huge concern
April 27th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Singletary giving Craptree that look he’s got.
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Mike Singletary drafted Craptree to try and salvage Alex Smith’s career in SF. Plus Isaac Bruce is likely done after this year
April 27th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Priestj
Anyone that says we did nothing to improve the defense vs the run just doesn’t understand defensive football. This team with Branch and Mitchell at the safety spots and Rickey Brown healthy with added depth at LBe. Not to mention the additions at defensive is significantly better IMO.
These kids Mitchell, Joseph and Branch do that alone.
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No we’re all stupid. Only YOU understand defensive football properly. You’re sooooooooooo smart!
April 27th, 2009 at 11:58 am
AL DAVIS AUTO SHOP
perfect!
I saw the perfect Raider car one time. A Lamborgini body (kit car) on a Fiero. All flash, no muscle.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Priesttj:
It’s a waste of time talking to the deaf unless you know the appropiate sign language.
KoolKell:
Dude called and he wants you to come home.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Now Singletary can have Crabtree on the field with Gore when they are at the 4 yard lind with 5 seconds on the clock and no timeouts when they hand the ball off to the FB.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
BHP,man i just dont man what this season will hold for. A few things must happen for us to be winners……………
1. Russell is the most important person. His improvement must be that of pro bowler caliber
2. Whether its Sands or Warren, someone has to play 2 gap and stuff the run
3. Kirk has to be more of a force and not miss tackles at crucial moments
4. Satele better be an upgrade oer Grove. He better be a factor in short yard and goaline situations
5. Cable is gonna have to find a way to get the best players on the field.
I just dont know yall. Ifthe Raiders dont start 3-0 we arent making the playoffs
April 27th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
priesttj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Some people are just too stupid to acknowledge.
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No, you NEVER call names, you’re way to mature.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
VegasRaider:
You got any odds on Gordon Brown?
April 27th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
On a Fiero…Lol
April 27th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
WOW……..just WOW………..Im worried about Double R, dorco rob,and a few other I hadnt seen……ammo turkey hunting…
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OAKlifer: yeah, I went turkey hunting. shot me a 23 pound gobbler. first time I ever went. It was AWESOME!
Saturday was a shock in the first 2 rounds. Hopefully Cable knows something about the OT’s and DT’s that we don’t …
I support the Raiders, therefore I support the picks (even though my draft would have been DRASTICALLY different)
where’s the Kool-Aid fountain?
April 27th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Because of the salary cap commitment and opportunity to improve your team related to a 7th pick, the Raiders should have looked for a consistent, reliable player. To me, Crabtree fits that criteria.
2× unanimous consensus First-team All-American (2007, 2008)
2× Biletnikoff Award winner (2007, 2008)
2× Paul Warfield Trophy winner (2007, 2008)
If Davis did not like the kid, there were several excellent defensive players that would have been low risk based on consistent careers in competitive conferences.
Instead, we spend the same money on a WR that finished 10th in ACC receiving and was ACC honorable mention. DHB may work out just fine, but you don’t gamble with a #7 pick.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
BHP, but we still dont have a NT that will properly take on double teams thus making Tommy Kelly’s life hell again. I’m worried Morrison just wont improve as a tackler. I dont like Ricky Brown at all. Guy isnt a starter IMO. WE were soft up the middle before the draft and still are
April 27th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Well, I am glad to see there is something else to dabate, ad nauseum, for the next four months. Let me know when you guys get it all figured out so I don’t have to waste my time watching any games this year. I can’t wait to finally know how much our draft sucked/rocked without even seeing these guys suit up. God forbid I should actually have to suffer through watching them play befofe it is decided whether they are a bust already…..
April 27th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Bleeder, just disagree with u saying u were POSITIVE we could get mitchell later, u were wrong thats all.
I have also NEVER said we didnt need to get better on dline, against the run or on the O-line. I know that if Jrus is on his back he cant complete a pass, and i know that if we cant stop the run the O will never see the field. But when it comes to the Oline i will give cable alot of slack-its what he does,has done and what hes good at. As for the D, i gotta think that Ryan being gone is addition by subtraction. Kelly is a full year from knee surgery(which is a big deal). we just added depth at LB and DE, and there are still FA,s and UDFA’s. Do I think we have an SB team-no- do I think our 6 years of dbl digit loss teams are finally moving in the right direction-yes.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
WOW……..just WOW………..Im worried about Double R, dorco rob,and a few other I hadnt seen……ammo turkey hunting…
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OAKlifer: yeah, I went turkey hunting. shot me a 23 pound gobbler. first time I ever went. It was AWESOME!
Saturday was a shock in the first 2 rounds. Hopefully Cable knows something about the OT’s and DT’s that we don’t …
I support the Raiders, therefore I support the picks (even though my draft would have been DRASTICALLY different)
where’s the Kool-Aid fountain?
I’m down for the team too but I dont see a playoff team in 2009
Oh yeah Norco Bob told me he asked for a refund on season tix. Sad thing we never know what will happen but im not that excited i tell ya
April 27th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
JustWin, you mean to tell me you are confident with Sands/Warren as your NTs and Morrison your MLB?
April 27th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Question is will DHB start as the number 1? I can only pray this may make us eventually get rid of Javon’s ass. So the WR unit looks like…………..
DHB
Chaz
JLH
Shields
Murphy
Watkins?
All young but only one of them has the fat contract. I guess go this route and keep the youth movement on track
April 27th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
You gotta love how Tom Cable who self-proclaimed “Always tells it straight-No Nonsense”, says just a couple months ago that ‘OT was our biggest need’, then publicly drools over the 4 possible Cadillacs he wanted to drive, now continues to state these are the guys he wanted all along. Thanks for ‘always telling it straight’ Tom. I wonder if Al’s hand was in his puppet hole when he said that, or like someone posted earlier in the weekend, he practiced in the war room with the staff how they were going to handle the media after Al Davis shot down all the agreed upon selections for the first two rounds….
April 27th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
#544 exactly my point
There are 30 teams in the NFL that are better against the run than we are.
What did we do to improve on that?
Draft a couple of track stars
April 27th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
666 is still on scholarship
April 27th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
should be fierce competition at DE with Burgess, Richardson, Scott, Gunheim, Gray & Shaughnessy.
should be fierce competition at OLB with Brown, Alston, Williams, Norris, Sulak and the undrafted guys.
should be fierce competition at WR with Walker, Higgins, Schilens, Shields, Holland, Watkins, DHB & Murphy.
I think Gunheim, Gray, Alston, Williams, Holland, Watkins and all the undrafted guys will be cut. We might keep Higgins at PR and limit his WR reps again, thus keeping 6 WR’s on the roster. I could also see Walker and/or Shields getting hurt again, thus bringing the number of WR’s down to 5.
Joseph, Boschetti and the undrafted guy will battle at DT for the 4th spot. Most likely Bosch wins, because he’s a Cable favorite
April 27th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
‘puppet hole’
LOL!
April 27th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Ryan…
Leroi Hill wont become a raider, Cable is about good character guys, and Leroi is a thug! our DC know him and since he didnt get him as soon he was released, t all shows that he wont become a raider
April 27th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Is Balco still open? Maybe we can get Kirk on a program
April 27th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
This may be a historic draft in terms of the number of Al scholarship players that may hang on our roster years after everyone else on earth knows they are junk. Even if DHB and Mitchell totally bust out they will be Raiders for the next 10 years, lol.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Can we just call the kid we took in the 3rd round Nessy until he is cut in training camp?
April 27th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Sounds like a plan there Rockstar. However, I think we now HAVE to move Higgins out of the KR duties because he is now 1 of 2 of our WR ‘vets’!! That’s pretty amazing actually.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
should be fierce competition at DE with Burgess, Richardson, Scott, Gunheim, Gray & Shaughnessy.
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Fierce? LOL all one dimensional players. That’s sure fierce
should be fierce competition at OLB with Brown, Alston, Williams, Norris, Sulak and the undrafted guys.
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All are undersized and arent SAMs. Trouble
should be fierce competition at WR with Walker, Higgins, Schilens, Shields, Holland, Watkins, DHB & Murphy.
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I actually agree here. Outta be the most intriguing in Napa
I think Gunheim, Gray, Alston, Williams, Holland, Watkins and all the undrafted guys will be cut. We might keep Higgins at PR and limit his WR reps again, thus keeping 6 WR’s on the roster. I could also see Walker and/or Shields getting hurt again, thus bringing the number of WR’s down to 5.
Joseph, Boschetti and the undrafted guy will battle at DT for the 4th spot. Most likely Bosch wins, because he’s a Cable favorite
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Joseph is a UT and Warren is really a UT. Hopefully Bosch will help tthe run D out
April 27th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
RaiderWoj – I hear ya brother. It’s all Silver&Black love. I guess I’m just throwing my annual draft temper tantrum that we Raider fans have grown accustomed to throwing (I literally sh!tted a brick the year we took Derrick Gibson). Like I said – I’ll defend the players to the death now that they’re draped in the S&B attire. Just can’t figure out why the two biggest needs weren’t addressed. Because if Barnes gets hurt, and Green has to play at tackle, Jamarcus better lose 20 pounds this summer so he can run away faster from the left ends coming from our right side of the line. Cornell is terrible. Mario might be decent (jury is still out) but it’s obvious we could get a lot better there, and like everyone is saying; we are softest in the middle up front on D. Hopefully Joseph does make the roster and brings that hat to work every day and forces Morrison to his more natural strong side. Kelly, Sands, and Warren need all the help they can get behind ‘em….Hope you are right about Ryan and the ‘addition by subtraction’ theory. Thing is, the players liked playing for him. And the fact that we aren’t changing anything with our scheme on D with a totally new coach only shows us more how much control the Dark Emperor has…… All Hail Al I guess….
April 27th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Dakota,
You should really use your brain cells sometimes. If this was the old Al, I GUARANTEE YOU WE WOULD HAVE DRAFTED M JOHNSON. Just like I guaranteed that we would draft Mitchell,
I know some of you are Johnson fans. here is what I got for you.
Said Bengals defensive coordinator Mike Zimmer of DE Michael Johnson, “He’s a tremendous athlete, he just doesn’t play hard all the time. Some plays, you say, ‘Oh, wow, I can’t believe that.’ Others plays, you say, ‘Oh, heck.’”
April 27th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
if we would have drafted Olinemem and DTs and ignored WR,safety,and LB people would have been biotching about that.we could only address so many needs.
BTW,Dakota,as i said yesterday,last year our Oline was worse shape than this year yet you saw no reason to try and fix it.funny how when someone LOVES a certain player all logic flies out the window.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Brien, listen if you read anything I posted before the draft I said that we wouldn’t draft a DT high. The DT’s in this draft are average at best. There were only 2 or 3 worth talking about. NONE of them would start on this team.
Warren draws doubles and so did Sands. I can’t say it any clearer than that you guy’s are totally underestimating the talent we have at DT.
Stopping the stats at DT but IT ends with the rest of the defense. All the tackles can do is stop run up the gut, but he can’t stop a back from bouncing it. Or stop the off tackle runs which you face a lot due to the ZBS when HB’s can stretch it or cut back. You have to have a flow to the deense and yet stay in your gaps. Stopping the run is about gap control and tackling. The Dt’s we have do their jobs and we still get gashed. Who’s fault is that? And don’t just point at Morrison, it’s the entire defense.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Balco LOL seriously funny
Dakota I agree DHB and Mitchell will be here forever weather they suck or not!
6 more years of being a bottom dweller is all I see after this weekends so called draft.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Here is a nice look at how people are grading our draft…and other team’s drafts too.
Beware…it is ugly
http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/story?id=4104114
Consensus GPA
2.26
2.63
0.78
2.37
CBSSportsline.com’s
Pete Prisco
C-
C
D
C-
FoxSports.com’s
John Czarnecki
B
B-
C-
B-
ESPN.com’s
Mel Kiper Jr.
C
C-
D
C+
NBCSports.com’s
Gregg Rosenthal
Evan Silva
B+
B+
D
B+
Fanhouse’s
Tom Herrera
C+
D
F
B
ESPN.com’s
SportsNation
C
B-
F
C+
SportingNews.com’s
Clifton Brown
A-
B-
D-
F
USAToday.com’s
Larry Weisman
D+
A
C-
B
Yahoo.com’s
Jason Cole
D
A-
F
B
April 27th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Dakota Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Can we just call the kid we took in the 3rd round Nessy until he is cut in training camp?
They will keep him. Al will do his best to keep him so people wont diss him like they did with Moses lol
April 27th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
“Stopping the run starts with the DT but it ends with rest of the defense”
April 27th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Sorry, I didn’t mean to add that stuff at the botton of my last post.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
666-there were 31 teams that had a better pass off. than we did!
April 27th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Dakota:
The “experts” grade the selection of Asomugha as a “C”.
It takes two or three years to evaluate a draft properly, but if you want to lie down and die go right ahead. You’re French right?
April 27th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
We improved the run D by addressing 3rd down defense.
Why is it so hard to understand that getting off the field on 3rd down improves the run defense? Why are you ok with no pass rush to help our corners and safeties get turnovers?
How many times did we get to 3rd and 5 or more, and couldn’t get off the field?
You probably didn’t like Trevor Scott in the 6th round, so I can understand you not liking the “no names” we drafted this year. The problem is you guys really, and I mean REALLY think you know more than the people who are getting paid to do this. Like someone is going to try, or let a BILLION dollar business go down the tubes.
There should be some contest that allows a fan in the warroom with Al Davis and his staff during draft time. That fan should be allowed to sit at the table like a scout and lobby for his pick. I bet Al would SHRED any of you who tried to debate with him, LOL!
April 27th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Oakland Raiders
- Shawn Bayes, WR, Kent State
- Desmond Bryant, DE, Harvard
- Frantz Joseph, LB, Florida Atlantic
Joseph WILL make the 53 man opening day roster, and this Bryant guy looks like a find.
Frantz Joseph!!! I wanted this guy in the 4th!
April 27th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
CBS’s Mike Judge did not hold back from heavily criticizing the Raiders draft. Check this out:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/story/11680197
Here are the key points:
-Biggest overall draft loser
-Two of the five biggest gambles (DHB and Mitchell)
-Second most incomprehensible move (Mitchell again)
-Two of top five quotes to remember (both from Cable)
April 27th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
LMN:
How was the beer?
April 27th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
priesttj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Brien, listen if you read anything I posted before the draft I said that we wouldn’t draft a DT high. The DT’s in this draft are average at best. There were only 2 or 3 worth talking about. NONE of them would start on this team.
Warren draws doubles and so did Sands. I can’t say it any clearer than that you guy’s are totally underestimating the talent we have at DT.
Stopping the stats at DT but IT ends with the rest of the defense. All the tackles can do is stop run up the gut, but he can’t stop a back from bouncing it. Or stop the off tackle runs which you face a lot due to the ZBS when HB’s can stretch it or cut back. You have to have a flow to the deense and yet stay in your gaps. Stopping the run is about gap control and tackling. The Dt’s we have do their jobs and we still get gashed. Who’s fault is that? And don’t just point at Morrison, it’s the entire defense.
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See that’s where we disagree my friend. Brace was there and would have been better than Warren. Warren was hardly doubled lol. Morrison is an awful lb vs the run
April 27th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Lefty12, that’s what all this bitching is really about. They didn’t get their guy so they’re pissed.. I get it……….so was I.
But you have to be mature enough to be objective. The coaches know what the draft had to offer and they know what they wanted to get out of it.
WE DON”T…………….period
April 27th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
I agree with Jhill…on players who have to be removed. Especially Sam Williams, LB. Williams has always been an Al Davis favorite and Al continues to carry this injury prone, non-productive player on special teams. I can’t figure it out. Year after year. Maybe he knows where Al buried the body? Whatever, may this be the year he’s finally cut. Him and Condo. Condo, another do nothing. Just a long snapper and special teams player. He sucks at special teams and one of our centers has to learn to long snap, that simple. Why waste a rooster spot for nothing.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
ESPN just did a profile on Frantz Joseph…
April 27th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
priesttj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
“Stopping the run starts with the DT but it ends with rest of the defense”
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It was Cable who said the reason why we can’t stop the run is because we dont trust each other on the D and we miss our Gap assignments.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Dakota,
You should really use your brain cells sometimes. If this was the old Al, I GUARANTEE YOU WE WOULD HAVE DRAFTED M JOHNSON. Just like I guaranteed that we would draft Mitchell,
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Lol, you really think there is an “old Al” and a “new Al”? Dude, there is just Al.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Tommy Trojan25 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Oakland Raiders
- Shawn Bayes, WR, Kent State
- Desmond Bryant, DE, Harvard
- Frantz Joseph, LB, Florida Atlantic
Joseph WILL make the 53 man opening day roster, and this Bryant guy looks like a find.
Frantz Joseph!!! I wanted this guy in the 4th!
Let’s hope so. I just saw his story on ESPN
April 27th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Bleeder
totally understand
Now my thing with the “same scheme” doesnt bother me to much, here is why. Same scheme means a 4-3, it doesnt mean same play calls. I think Kelly will have a better year because of his knee and 2nd consecutive year inside, which will make things a little easier on the rest of the line, but i dont think he’ll ever live up to his contract #’s(hope he proves me wrong tho). The fact that Cable wants to get back to fundamentals on D is great, way to much over pursuit by to many players, when u over pursue ur outta postion and have to try arm tackles-that just dont work in the NFL. We really need another hard hitting run stopping LB tho-hopefully somebody steps up
April 27th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Brace better than Warren at doing what? Brien Brace is a pure NG we don’t use a pure NG……..get it We run a 4/3 Brace is a NG for the 3/4 a 2 gapper.
We want to push the pocket Brace doesn’t do that.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Joseph, they said is quite aggressive. The story with his mom shows the guy has character. I actually like that
April 27th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Condo, another do nothing. Just a long snapper and special teams player. He sucks at special teams and one of our centers has to learn to long snap, that simple. Why waste a rooster spot for nothing.
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It’s either Condo or Morris. one of them HAS to go …
April 27th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Raji makes a lot more sense if you know he’s going to be your starter.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
priesttj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Brace better than Warren at doing what? Brien Brace is a pure NG we don’t use a pure NG……..get it We run a 4/3 Brace is a NG for the 3/4 a 2 gapper.
We want to push the pocket Brace doesn’t do that.
Warren is a gap penetrating DT. HE is terrible once he gets doubled. I then look at Brace vs Sands and I’d rather have Brace. Sands sucks. Get what? Did you see Sam Adams and Grady Jackson in Oakland? They werent great pass rushers. Brace can pushthe pocket. All he has is a bull rush. I totally disagree with you
April 27th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
priesttj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Brace better than Warren at doing what? Brien Brace is a pure NG we don’t use a pure NG……..get it We run a 4/3 Brace is a NG for the 3/4 a 2 gapper.
We want to push the pocket Brace doesn’t do that.
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Funny, it sure looks too me like Brace and Raji were the DTs in a 4-3 defense at BC. You are the expert though.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Priest-that is why i try NOT to fall for any names,i try and look at positions of need.a few people on here tried to tell people that -look at the roster and try and figure out our needs.the problem is,as Jhill said earlier,some think they know more than the guys who do this for a living and they don’t.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
priesttj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Raji makes a lot more sense if you know he’s going to be your starter.
Please the UT named Raji would have been awful. Al didnt think twice about getting a shrimp to be our other DT
April 27th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Joseph had 8 other teams that wanted to sign him and he chose the Raiders for 2 years at the league minimum.
Maybe he thinks this is the worst team which gives him the best chance at making it.
I hope he likes special teams.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
1st down DMAC
2nd down bomb to Hey Bey
3rd down throw to Miller
4th down punt
April 27th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
How many guys will rush over 100 yds against us this year?
April 27th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
We prayed ;ast year Ed Hartwell would move Kirk to SLB. Now let’s pray Frantz Joseph does that himself
April 27th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
WOW……..just WOW………..Im worried about Double R, dorco rob,and a few other I hadnt seen……ammo turkey hunting…
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OAKlifer: yeah, I went turkey hunting. shot me a 23 pound gobbler. first time I ever went. It was AWESOME!
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23 LB’S nice.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Good news is we know Farglass wont start in 09! That makes me happy. Dmac/Bush combo outta take some sting away from not drafting one of those OTs
April 27th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
We had Sam Williams and Alston playing OLB, on top on Edwards and Burgess at DE.
Ricky Brown is NOT the problem. He’s plays more like a LB than Morrison or Howard, IMO. By far our most physical LB.
I just don’t understand why you guys can’t see us mixing in a lot 4 LB sets. Don’t we have like 20 LBs now?
April 27th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
inonewordraider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
How many guys will rush over 100 yds against us this year?
That depends on Russell leading the offense
April 27th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Dakota:
The “experts” grade the selection of Asomugha as a “C”.
It takes two or three years to evaluate a draft properly, but if you want to lie down and die go right ahead. You’re French right?
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Nice dig at the French…I like that.
I was just posting a convenient link to a bunch of draft grades…if we had been considered to have had a decent draft everyone would be looking up what grades we were getting, lol.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Brien, i hope ur right, im sick of screaming at the Tv, “PUT BUSH IN!”
April 27th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
http://www.cagop.org/userfiles/NoToRaiders.JPG
lulz
April 27th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
jhill Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
We had Sam Williams and Alston playing OLB, on top on Edwards and Burgess at DE.
Ricky Brown is NOT the problem. He’s plays more like a LB than Morrison or Howard, IMO. By far our most physical LB.
I just don’t understand why you guys can’t see us mixing in a lot 4 LB sets. Don’t we have like 20 LBs now?
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Pray Frantz Joseph is the ILB we need to move Kirk OLB or we are in deep doo doo
April 27th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
to those that want to get rid of our long snapper-Condo,have you ever heard what Lechler has said about him?if you did you wouldn’t be so quick to want to banish the guy.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
RaiderWoj – Yea, I came this close to drooling, and then Cincy took Mauluaga with the 39th pick. He would have been that hard hitter/playmaker in the middle for us for sure. All that kid needs to do is get coached to play in position more and he’ll be a standout stud like Lofa Tatupu proved to be after so many teams slept on him because of low, yet over-rated workout numbers. Guess we’re all cheering for Joseph to make the squad. Hope our 3rd round DE makes some noise too. If Al cuts him like he did the kid from Georgia a lil’ while back, he really needs to look in the mirror. It’s like admitting he has a draft weakness. Cutting a third rounder? Why draft him? But anyway, that’s an old story……Can’t wait ’till next year.
DBEY and M&M – Welcome to the squad! Please prove Al still has something left up there!
April 27th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
LMN,
Is that really you? Where did you get the spelling for Leroy Hill? Everywhere I look it is Leroy.
It’s not like you to spell a name wrong. Or is that just Raiders’ names. I guess that settles it. Leroy will never be a Raider because LMN can’t spell his name correctly.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Brien come on man they are essentially the same size. Raji 6′ 2″ Brace 6′3″ both right at 330.
Sands sucks! OK and you know this how? The coaches BRien wether you believe or not POUR over the film of the past year they then look at FA’s and what the draft has to offer. Marshall and Dwain Board watched more film of that line than all of us put together.
Except they know what they’re looking for. they could’ve taken Raji and Brace and they didn’t……….what does that tell you.
Oh! for get it……….this crap is pointless.
Remember we’re fans, they know what they need.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Frantz Joseph looks like a Raider.
His personal experience gives him the character that Cable wants.
http://www.youtube/watch?v=nNstliEo4Hs
April 27th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
So who the hell is the FB?
April 27th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Adios guy’s gotta go.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Dakota Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Dakota,
You should really use your brain cells sometimes. If this was the old Al, I GUARANTEE YOU WE WOULD HAVE DRAFTED M JOHNSON. Just like I guaranteed that we would draft Mitchell,
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Lol, you really think there is an “old Al” and a “new Al”? Dude, there is just Al.
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Dumb a$$, if you havent noticed, the new Al trusts Cable. He allows Cable to get “character” guys not a bunch of physical projects in the past.
I dont disagree with you blind whiners that we need to upgrade OT and DT’s but we have desperate needs at S, SAM and WR. Think about it. at least try to use your brain cells.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
I only like the Louis Murphy and Brandon Myers picks……..along with Frantz Joseph being signed. The rest of the weekend was terrible
April 27th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
My best friend lives in Eureka, CA. His nephew played DL in front of Rey M, saw him in 2 high school games, u could see he was goin places back then, just wonder how far in the NFL he’ll go. Definately has the heart.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Tatupu and Peterson both said the best LB on Seattle was Hill.
If that is true, Marshall has got to be trying to get him on board. Unless he gets a suspension for 4 games for is bonehead move this offseason. However, that didn’t stop the Raiders from going after Rhodes.
I still say, GO GET LEROY HILL! The guy is one of the top 3 SAMs in the league.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
At SAM we got desperate need? Hell at MLB is the biggest need
April 27th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Good news is we know Farglass wont start in 09! That makes me happy. Dmac/Bush combo outta take some sting away from not drafting one of those OTs
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If that is true then our offseason just got a hell of a lot better and so did the outlook for 2009-10…too bad it is just Brien’s fantasy.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Jaworski defended the DHB pick on ESPN Radio. He said he had Crabtree rated a little higher but not by much. He also noted that he’s not only fast in the 40 but quick off the line (quickest 10-yard sprint time at the Combine). He blamed a lot of his lack of production on Marlyand’s QBs. He also said he runs crisp routes.
We’ll see. Hopefully he’s right. I do think Jaws is probably the best X’s and O’s analyst on ESPN and probably all of NFL TV analysts.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
I wanted Crabtree to be the pick, but after listening to him in an interview this morning on KNBR I can see what the Cleavland coach saw in him and I am glad that we didn’t get him. He may turn out to be a great player just like T. O., but he won’t be much of a team mate. He couldn’t even out of simple courtesy say something polite about DHB after being told that DHB had spoke well of him in an earlier interview. He is totally into himself and worries like a diva about his clothing.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Marshall and Dwain Board watched more film of that line than all of us put together.
Except they know what they’re looking for. they could’ve taken Raji and Brace and they didn’t……….what does that tell you.
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Now how can you argue with that?
These NEW coaches had such a need for Brace that they essentially traded him to NE? He would have cost less than Sands or Warren, and they said no thank you.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Jhill, you mean Al didnt think enough of them
April 27th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Hell, SAM and MIKE are probably tied for our biggest LB need being our best option right now at MIKE should be playing SAM.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Dakota Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Dakota,
You should really use your brain cells sometimes. If this was the old Al, I GUARANTEE YOU WE WOULD HAVE DRAFTED M JOHNSON. Just like I guaranteed that we would draft Mitchell,
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Lol, you really think there is an “old Al” and a “new Al”? Dude, there is just Al.
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Dumb a$$, if you havent noticed, the new Al trusts Cable. He allows Cable to get “character” guys not a bunch of physical projects in the past.
I dont disagree with you blind whiners that we need to upgrade OT and DT’s but we have desperate needs at S, SAM and WR. Think about it. at least try to use your brain cells.
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I know your lips are so tight around Al’s balls that it makes it hard for you to breathe, and thus you are nearly brain dead, but is Barnes one of the new and improved Al Davis character guys? Want me to post his arrest video?
April 27th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Make that
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNstliEo4Hs
April 27th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Brien,
I noticed that about Bush/McFadden too. In Cable’s two recent meetings with the press he talked about the running game and mentioned Bush and McFadden while Fargas’ name was conspicuously absent. I like Fargas as a No. 3 RB or even a No. 2 on most teams, but Bush and McFadden have so much potential it’s ridiculous to keep them on the bench and get no action because Fargas is positioned as the No. 1 guy.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Dakota Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Good news is we know Farglass wont start in 09! That makes me happy. Dmac/Bush combo outta take some sting away from not drafting one of those OTs
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If that is true then our offseason just got a hell of a lot better and so did the outlook for 2009-10…too bad it is just Brien’s fantasy.
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Dont know if it’s anymore my fantasy than it is yours. The word was Huff and Farglass were on the block. But shyt didnt happen
April 27th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Anybody think we’ll package Fargas and Burgess for a decent DT/OT?
April 27th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Chris in NY Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Brien,
I noticed that about Bush/McFadden too. In Cable’s two recent meetings with the press he talked about the running game and mentioned Bush and McFadden while Fargas’ name was conspicuously absent. I like Fargas as a No. 3 RB or even a No. 2 on most teams, but Bush and McFadden have so much potential it’s ridiculous to keep them on the bench and get no action because Fargas is positioned as the No. 1 guy.
Playing Farglass so much cost us the Carolina,Miami and KC games. 8-8 right there
April 27th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Luckily, despite all of this draft horror, at least we know we’ll only have to compete with San Diego for the division this year. No more Tony G twice a year. Thank goodness!
April 27th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Farglass and Burgess can go for free. WE better pray that Matt Shaughnessy kid steps his game up so Burgess can go
April 27th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Brien, I hope you are right…that would be awesome…at least until Cable started Rankin over Bush and McFadden, lol.
April 27th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
LOL, I’m trying to picture opening night vs SD. DHB lines up against Cromartie? Are we finally gonna keep the pressure on Rivers? Does LaDanian break big runs again? Can the tackles handle those rush LBs off the edge? Will Russell not miss open WR? Interesting wh the next 4 months will bring
April 27th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Naw Dakota………one thing that is for sure Al and Russell both have instructed to Cable that Dmac/Bush better be on the field so the offense can have more explosiveness
April 27th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Brien says
“Is Balco still open? Maybe we can get Kirk on a program”. LOL
Actually, Scott should maybe go with him.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Pick Analysis: When you draft an Iowa lineman, you know he’s technically sound and has been well-coached. Olsen has great strength and can step in and play guard right away. He’s similar to Marshal Yanda, who was drafted by Baltimore a couple years ago. He’s got strong hands.
Overview
Nationally underrated, Olsen leaves Iowa as a first-team All-Big Ten selection and a rising prospect on NFL boards due to his size, strength, durability and versatility. A four-year contributor, Olsen started each of the past two seasons, primarily on the right side of the line, but also seeing some action at left tackle.
He was first-team All-Big Ten selection by the media and coaches while primarily at right guard in 2008 after garnering honorable mention honors at right tackle as a junior. A strong showing throughout the week at the East-West Shrine Game might have secured Olsen’s place as a second-day draft selection. Had an arm span of 33 1/8 inches and a hand span of 9 1/2 inches at the combine.
High School
Earned Parade and EA Sports All-American honors as a senior, along with first-team all-state and all-metro laurels. … named first-team all-state and all-metro as a junior, as well as Student Sports Junior all-American. … helped lead prep team to three consecutive undefeated conference seasons and the 2003 Nebraska state championship. … Millard North had a 36-2 record in his three years as a starter. … as a senior, helped pave the way for a running game that averaged 473 yards per game. … also played defensive tackle for three years, amassing 92 tackles (44 solo), nine tackles for loss and three sacks.. … attended same high school as DB Adam Shada and LB Jeff Tarpinian. … high school coach was Fred Petito.
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Coulda had him in the 4th
April 27th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
So what do you guys project as the starting D for opening night?
April 27th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
I told everyone here that we aren’t interested in high profile vet WR’s like Boldin, Edwards or Burress.
I told everyone is here that we would not draft a DT or MLB.
I told everyone that WR was a huge need that we would address in the draft.
Looks like I got blasted for no good reason …
DHB was a huge reach. I might be the biggest Raider fan in here and even I can admit that.
Davis/Cable don’t care about “reaches”. Paying him #7 overall type money is only a problem if he doesn’t produce and who says he can’t?
draft “experts” always talk about value for the pick. Davis/Cable target players they want and they go get them.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Brien says
“Is Balco still open? Maybe we can get Kirk on a program”. LOL
Actually, Scott should maybe go with him.
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Fuk it, the entire defense
April 27th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Matt Shaughnessy an HMO’s dream a guy that has been consistently injured and has what about 2 or 3 game stretch where he was healthy enough for Al Davis to evaluate him.
Future Jim Otto!
Sorry Jim I like you but your knees are toast.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
I need a new computer and another beer.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Anybody think we’ll package Fargas and Burgess for a decent DT/OT?
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Johnny Jolly, DT GreenBAy
April 27th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
The word was Huff and Farglass were on the block.
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WHY? we should have had Burgess & Walter on the block instead …
April 27th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Locks at WR:
– JLH
– DHB
– Schilens
– Murphy
I’m guessing that 5th spot is an open competition between Shields and Walker with Watkins and DJ Hall also having an outside chance.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
I’m guessing that 5th spot is an open competition between Shields and Walker with Watkins and DJ Hall also having an outside chance.
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I’m guessing Holland is pretty upset right now
April 27th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Chris in NY,
Did it hurt to watch your boy Rey drop so far in the draft and then come so close to being on the board when we picked in the second round?
April 27th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Brien I hope with the players we have on D,we play a 3-4 30% of the game
April 27th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
We’re talking about the draft here you MORON!!!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
4eva………..we playing 4-3 for sure
April 27th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
The thing that gets me is why didn’t they trade up for Maualuga?
The other thing that is disappointing is that it sure as hell seems us fans in the Nation are on a completey different page then where the old man, coach cable and the other coaches are at.
Crazy…
April 27th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
The word was Huff and Farglass were on the block.
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WHY? we should have had Burgess & Walter on the block instead …
They all should have especially Burgess
April 27th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Dakota, we are talkign about the draft here you moron! Even the naysayer like LMN your gf is admitting about the character we have here.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
We’re talking about the draft here you MORON!!!!!
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Oh, so our new “we need character guys” policy only applies to draft picks? LMAO you are a fuking dipsheet.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
DHB’s best game of his career came against that Smith DB the Broncos took in the second round. That is the best news I heard about DHB.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
My god this Mark Sanchez story is getting on my nerves. Who gives a flying phuck what he is gonna do for the Latino community? All this over a QB selection? How will the latin people feel when he fails? That guy is a bust waiting to happen. Maybe they will hold up their mexican flags when he does his best Bret Favre impersonation in Oakland
April 27th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
LMN:
How was the beer?
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fantastic, 4 nice pints of Cafreys MMMMMmmmm
April 27th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
# Dakota Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Chris in NY,
Did it hurt to watch your boy Rey drop so far in the draft and then come so close to being on the board when we picked in the second round?
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Yeah, kept thinking he would go with every pick from the Chargers in the 1st on. I was fearing he’d somehow slip to the Raiders in Round 2 and we’d still pass on him. I think Cable and Al think Morrison is a top-notch MLB. I disagree. I think he’d be a top-notch SLB.
I’m really hopeful about Mike Mitchell though and at least Maualuga didn’t land elsewhere in the AFC West or with a contender like New England. That takes some of the sting out of it. I still think Rey will be a great player.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
DHB’s best game of his career came against that Smith DB the Broncos took in the second round. That is the best news I heard about DHB.
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LOL you didnt hear how fast he ran the 40 in?
April 27th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Brien the General 510 :
I would have traded Fargas, Walker, Burgess & Walker to the Lions in exchange for an autographed Barry Sanders football card …
April 27th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
So opening night D projections?
More likely this
LDE: Burgess
UT: Kelly
NT: Warren
RDE: Richardson
WLB: Howard
MLB: Morrison
SLB: Brown
RCB: CJ
SS: Branch
FS: Eugene
LCB: Aso
LOL yeah those SD bolts better watch out for that stout defense
April 27th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
DKnight007 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
The thing that gets me is why didn’t they trade up for Maualuga?
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Trade up for him?? There is a reason he fell off the map and all 32 teams passed on him, including some teams twice. I doubt Cincy is a good place for him either. They took 3 talented guys with questionable work ethics and/or between the ears issues, and Cincy is the worst place (except for maybe us) for those types of guys.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Brien the General 510 :
I would have traded Fargas, Walker, Burgess & Walker to the Lions in exchange for an autographed Barry Sanders football card …
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That actually is a fair trade. I feel we would have got great value
April 27th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Hey Alisgod, or is this the high character guy that you are talking about that we got in the draft? Yep, that new high character policy Al is allowing Cable to instill is really on the right track…are you sure you want to keep playing this game with me dipsheet?
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-=Louis Murphy=- says his friends call him “the comeback kid.” Murphy has earned the depiction.
His St. Petersburg, Fla., high school team was 0-10 his junior year and 2-8 his final prep season — but Murphy won two national championships at the University of Florida. He was kicked off the Gators and suspended for three games early in his career due to a marijuana charge.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Cincy will drastically improve VR. Trust that. Their defense has improved and Palmer has someone watching his back.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Dakota Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Hey Alisgod, or is this the high character guy that you are talking about that we got in the draft? Yep, that new high character policy Al is allowing Cable to instill is really on the right track…are you sure you want to keep playing this game with me dipsheet?
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-=Louis Murphy=- says his friends call him “the comeback kid.” Murphy has earned the depiction.
His St. Petersburg, Fla., high school team was 0-10 his junior year and 2-8 his final prep season — but Murphy won two national championships at the University of Florida. He was kicked off the Gators and suspended for three games early in his career due to a marijuana charge.
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He is so BADDDDD THAT HE WAS THEIR CAPTAIN LAST YEAR! STUPID FCK!
April 27th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Rey Malalala will be a bust in Cincy …
their defense stinks every year despite what players they acquire in the draft
Marvin Lewis should have got canned 2 years ago.
As long as Chad Johnson is there to rip apart the locker room they will finish with 6 wins or less. Trade the man
April 27th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Rey will not be a bust. No way
April 27th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Some on this blog chewed over every square inch of this draft for 2 months. And to be so off base, is surprising.
Many were skeptical of the sterotypical knee-jerk proclivities of Al Davis, well guess what?
April 27th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
yes he is a high outstanding individual
April 27th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Brien…#654 looks kind of familiar! Aren’t you at least putting Mitchell in there somewhere, just so Al can pound his chest and claim he drafted an opening day starter?
April 27th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Louis Murphy is an excellent pick people. I’m not upset having him on my team
April 27th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Some said that no way would SD pass on the local guy Rey-Rey. They almost got the chance to pass on him twice.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
who will replace Javon Walker in the starting lineup when he gets hurt again?
Higgins, Schilens, Shields or Murphy?
obviously DHB starts on one side …
April 27th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Dakota Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Brien…#654 looks kind of familiar! Aren’t you at least putting Mitchell in there somewhere, just so Al can pound his chest and claim he drafted an opening day starter?
Dakota………..nope. Its a joke man
April 27th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Alisgod, you are clearly retarded, lol. Sorry to point it out to everyone.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Cincy will drastically improve VR. Trust that. Their defense has improved and Palmer has someone watching his back.
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Drastically improve in that division?? They will be lucky to break .500 in a few years. Smith and Rey will figure out the Cincy way real quick. Not quite the Alabama or USC of the NFL, yadidamean.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
What will the “new Al Davis” do next Alisgod? I hope he fields a winning team. That would be change I could believe in.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Cincy, please cut Levi Jones, Al and Cable please sign him!
April 27th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Dakota,
You stupid fck. You are going to be my biatch today.
Only you would bring an argument against your own logic.
1. Why do you think they call Murphy the comeback kid?
2. Why do you think they made him Captain last year and they won a championship?
Please know your schytt before you blab.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Joseph got busted for pot, also. Now the Raiders just need to get Leroy Hill and the three of them, (Murphy, Joseph and Hill) can chill together. Maybe invite Seabass and Walker.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
I like the two WR’s we got, and the two DE’s and TE seemed like good value.
I am hung up on this Mitchell guy. He is the Kimbo Slice of the draft until proven otherwise. All hype and “cool” you tube videos.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Dakota Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
What will the “new Al Davis” do next Alisgod? I hope he fields a winning team. That would be change I could believe in.
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Hey you dubm fck. Winning starts with attitude. We finally got the right attitudes in our locker room and you whine like a bitch.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
I told everyone here that we aren’t interested in high profile vet WR’s like Boldin, Edwards or Burress.
I told everyone is here that we would not draft a DT or MLB.
I told everyone that WR was a huge need that we would address in the draft.
Looks like I got blasted for no good reason …
DHB was a huge reach. I might be the biggest Raider fan in here and even I can admit that.
Davis/Cable don’t care about “reaches”. Paying him #7 overall type money is only a problem if he doesn’t produce and who says he can’t?
draft “experts” always talk about value for the pick. Davis/Cable target players they want and they go get them.
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Sounds like you were on the ball RR and most of us Raider fans were on a completely different page. Which is interesting, yet disturbing. We could have got Rey Rey, Everette Brown, Ron Brace, Jarron Gilbert, Jamon Meredith, Jasper Brinkley.
I was so agitated and pissed on saturday night that I didn’t even bother watching Day 2 yesterday and it was an easy decision to go visit my grandfather at his grave site on his B-Day with my family and not give a crap about the Raiders Day 2 Draft Day.
DHB’s main motivation better be to prove the naysayers WRONG, every day from here on out and work with his idol Jerry Rice. I’m not worried about Mitchell playing with a chip on his shoulder….cause he will.
All DHB has to do is play hard, work hard, play with confidence when route running, and his main PRIORITY should be to just CATCH THE DAMN BALL first and foremost. Everything else after he catches the ball should be fine.
If he starts dropping passes….thats when us fans will want the old mans head on a platter!
April 27th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Ryan Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Joseph got busted for pot, also. Now the Raiders just need to get Leroy Hill and the three of them, (Murphy, Joseph and Hill) can chill together. Maybe invite Seabass and Walker.
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Fuk all that. I’m going to that party! Welcome to the yay area!
April 27th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
I don’t think Mitchell was hyped. Most of the “experts” never saw film on the guy.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
I like the two WR’s we got, and the two DE’s and TE seemed like good value.
I am hung up on this Mitchell guy. He is the Kimbo Slice of the draft until proven otherwise. All hype and “cool” you tube videos.
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I’ve been waiting for someone to bring up the Kimbo Slice argument. Here is the diff…Kimbo was fighting nobodys. Mitchell was lighting up those guys in Red Jerseys…you know OSU.
As a matter of fact, look at the tube again…early in the vid, see how he was playing the right side and at the last second recognized the pass down the middle…see how fast he changed his hips and recovered and how leveled that OSU receiver?
There is another shot of him still counting the offense when the play started, see how fast he went from playing the left side to switching back to the right and leveled that receiver?
That’s what I look at. What do you guys look at?
April 27th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Dakota #256 was priceless, nice one!
April 27th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Cincy will drastically improve VR. Trust that. Their defense has improved and Palmer has someone watching his back.
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Drastically improve in that division?? They will be lucky to break .500 in a few years. Smith and Rey will figure out the Cincy way real quick. Not quite the Alabama or USC of the NFL, yadidamean.
B-more wont sneak up on folks this year. Cleveland is on the same level as cincy and Pitt is still Pitt. Going 500 would be a bad season really. I see the Bengals winning and playing better than you think
April 27th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Sorry Alisgod, only a retard like you would proclaim that a “new Al Davis” has emerged who is allowing Cable to bring in “high character guys” when one of the guys we drafted was suspended from his team for multiple games and the LT we signed was convicted of DUI and when on a rampage about the city he was playing in.
Did your mother take too many meds while you were in the oven?
April 27th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
DKnight007: Cleveland drafted Braylon Edwards 3rd overall and he dropped the most passes in the league last year
He became a pro bowler and is HOT on the trade market!
We drafted DHB 7th overall. now that is a value pick
haha
April 27th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Damn the Whiners across the Bay. And I don’t mean about CrustaceanTree.
How cool would it have been to have Slade, Stryker and Bear as consecutive draft picks. Those guys can make the All-Nagurski team.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
maybe they have the right attitude, they still have the wrong position to help the team…
April 27th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
# priesttj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Brien come on man they are essentially the same size. Raji 6′ 2″ Brace 6′3″ both right at 330.
Sands sucks! OK and you know this how? The coaches BRien wether you believe or not POUR over the film of the past year they then look at FA’s and what the draft has to offer. Marshall and Dwain Board watched more film of that line than all of us put together.
Except they know what they’re looking for. they could’ve taken Raji and Brace and they didn’t……….what does that tell you.
Oh! for get it……….this crap is pointless.
Remember we’re fans, they know what they need.
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You don’t really believe any of those coaches had any say at all in this draft, do you?
Dumbasses.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Next years draft should be heavy on the DL,
If Super Mario is not os super then C. Black from LSU.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
DKnight007: Cleveland drafted Braylon Edwards 3rd overall and he dropped the most passes in the league last year
He became a pro bowler and is HOT on the trade market!
We drafted DHB 7th overall. now that is a value pick
haha
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If Edwards were “hot” on the trade market, he wouldn’t still be a Brown.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Russell Okung
April 27th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
I hope we crush the 49ers in the preseason.
Who’s gonna cover DHB?
35 year old Walt Harris? good luck …
April 27th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
KoolKell Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Draft a project at #7????????????????????????????????
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why not? we took one at # 1 two years ago
April 27th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Double R!!!
Good day brotha… thanks for the info BTG510,
In shock was I and I like the kid….2wr tho??? no dt??? and a questionable lb and de…..hmmmm…WOW.. just WOW….I hope In ten years I can call cable one of my hero’s…..
April 27th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Cable only has a 2 year window to succeed or fail.
I hope these players he lobbied to draft pan out. His job depends on it!
more change at HC = more losing
April 27th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Sat, Aug 30 Eastern Washington W 49-24 –
Sat, Sep 6 at Nevada W 35-19 –
Sat, Sep 13 Southern Methodist W 43-7 –
Sat, Sep 20 Massachusetts W 56-14 –
Sat, Oct 4 at Kansas State W 58-28 –
Sat, Oct 11 Nebraska W 37-31 –
Sat, Oct 18 at Texas A&M W 43-25 –
Sat, Oct 25 at (19) Kansas W 63-21 –
Sat, Nov 1 (1) Texas W 39-33 –
Sat, Nov 8 (8) Oklahoma State W 56-20 –
Sat, Nov 22 at (5) Oklahoma L 21-65 –
Sat, Nov 29 Baylor W 35-28
The best thing we didnt do was draft CrabDiva Are you kidding me look at who he played against.Im not saying DHB is the next Rice but I wonder what his #s would of been had Harell been his QB
April 27th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
This ia a very sad draft, Jerry you must be Al’s puppet cuz all that S H I T that is coming out of your mouth regarding the column that your suppose to write. Mr. don’t put too much stock in it, because I don’t I just can’t believe you said weren’t you high on Crabtree? You should write on how rediculous this orginization looked on Saturday!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Mr Davis are you still going to hire a GM? I’m tired of people criticizing you and I want to wear my Raiders gear without getting laughed at.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
This organization is just too loyal to it’s players, telling a free agent we won’t draft a offensive tackle if he signs was wrong, we really need a GM who is all business and competition, one who tells them one thing but will change his mind quickly to improve the organization, the players are too well paid to be loyal to, when they want a contract renegotiated and hold out they certainly isn’t any loyalty there, in the NFL it should be appease your fans and ticket holders before appeasing spoiled players!
April 27th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Jerry your a F U C K I N’ I D I O T ! ! ! ! !
You two face little F U C K E R ! ! ! ! !
Go back under that old goats desk you hyprocrite little B I T C H ! ! !
All that s h i t talkin about how Crabtree is the best reciever and how you would jump on drafting him, now your all for what a joke of picks we got! You should write about how stupid and pathetic this organization looked on Saturday you little b i t c h ! ! !
April 28th, 2009 at 10:05 am
I am glad we picked up Frantz from FAU. I called his name several times over the weekend following the draft on this blog, but we passed on him. Good move for the Raiders. He will replace Morrison in the middle, write it down! This guy knows how to play football.
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