Louis Murphy Q&A
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, April 26th, 2009 at 3:18 pm in Oakland Raiders.
A transcript of a conference call with Florida wide receiver Louis Murphy, a fourth-round draft pick, No. 124 overall:
Q: Surprised the Raiders picked you after they took Heyward-Bey in Round 1?
Murphy: Yeah, they took a receiver pretty high so I thought that Oakland was probably off the list and I looked toward other teams. I never thought I’d be going to Oakland.
Q: What did you think when you got the call?
Murphy: I don’t know who called me. I just picked up the phone and they said their name. I can’t remember because they were going so fast but they said it was the Oakland Raiders, ‘We’re about to pick you in a minute or so, do you want to be part of the Oakland Raiders organization?’ I said of course. Of course, yep.
Q: Cable said Heyward-Bey had an advantage because he wasn’t in a spread offense. You’re in a spread offense, so is that a disadvantage?
Murphy: I don’t think it’s going to be very difficult because actually our offense with some of the plays and routes that we run a lot of the coaches were surprised with my football knowledge about a pro offense. A lot of the stuff that we do is pro, it’s mainly the spread, but we run a lot of pro stuff and a lot of deep balls you’ll see me catching and a lot of the go routes and the posts and the post corners. A lot of it is modeled after the pro offense, certain routes or certain plays. We’re not a pro offense or a spread offense. I don’t think it will be a real big learning curve.
Q: Did you visit the Raiders in Alameda?
Murphy: Yes. Actually I met with the Raiders, met with the receivers coach. I had a good meeting. Me and the receivers coach hit it off. We talked and he really wanted to coach me and I didn’t think would get a chance to work with him.
Q: Coming from a championship team that almost never lost how will you adjust to playing for the Raiders?
Murphy: I’m just going to come in and help where I can, whatever coach needs me to do. They got a hard-working player that’s going to come out and give his best. Coming from a national championship team I think that Oakland drafted some players they really feel are championship players and have experienced that. I know all the veterans’ goals are to win and that’s what I’m coming in to help them win games.
Q: What do you know about JaMarcus Russell?
Murphy: Oh man. The only thing I know about JaMarcus Russell is that when we played them in the Swamp my sophomore year, I saw him throw the ball and not even thinking about it said, ‘I wouldn’t mind playing with JaMarcus Russell.’ I never though about it past that day but that was my only touchdown of that year when we played against LSU. I was like if I ever make it to the NFL, the way he throws the ball that was crazy. Watching him get drafted high and watching him in the NFL, I won’t mind being on the receiving end catching those deep balls from him.
Q: Are you OK with being out of the limelight, with Heyward-Bey the No. 1 pick?
Murphy: Oh, man it’s my whole life. That’s my life story and there’s nothing wrong with that. I’m cool with that. That’s just the type of person I am. And the more the Oakland fans will get to know me, I’m real laid back man and I go hard on the field. And man, I’m proud, I’m happy for Heyward-Bey. I’m just ready to play ball. There’s not going to be any animosity. I played with Percy and Tebow and we were best friends. I’m not a selfish guy at all. Whenever coach throws me the ball I’m going to try make it a big play.
Q: Did it help or hurt be on the same team with Percy Harvin?
Murphy: Oh yeah, it helped me. Yeah, it helped me win championships. I mean, what do you mean? In what way?
Q: As far as recognition. If not for Harvin, could you have been picked earlier?
Murphy: Oh man. I probably would have been. I still honestly thought I was going to go in the second round and the cards fell the way they fell. From the teams I really felt, I was hearing a lot of late first, early second. But the draft is the draft.
Q: Was last night tough waiting for a call?
Murphy: last night, it was pretty rough. I really thought I was going to go first day. But I was set on whatever God had for me is for me. And I know God wants me in Oakland. So that’s what it is. So I can’t complain.
Q: Did you play QB in high school?
Murphy: I played some quarterback, freshman, sophomore year. and junior, senior year I played a little bit, rotated a little bit at quarterback. But nah, mostly I played receiver junior and senior year and I played receiver all four years at florida. Quarterback a little bit, but not too much.
Q: you went to the same high school as Cornell Green. Do you know him?
Murphy: No, I didn’t even know Cornell Green went to our school until yesterday when the newspaper came out and did an article on me and showed everybody from my high school that played in the NFL and Cornell Green was on there. And I still haven’t met him. I probably have, I just don’t know.
Q: Did playing in the spread help you run shorter routes?
Murphy: Yeah man. Like third and short, sometimes the deep pattern’s not the best situation. Sometimes you’ve got to take the shorter route. And it worked on my agility and quickness in and out of breaks. Being able to stop going in one direction and go in another direction really helped my overall game. and I’ve been working with Cris Carter. I’m going to get up with Jerry Rice. Man, I’m just trying to learn from the best. And you’ll get my best out there. Being in the spread offense helped me but I’ve also learned a lot of pro stuff these last couple months.
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April 26th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Anyone on this blog read Paradise Lost?
April 26th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
It at least sounds like we got some hardcore ballers.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Now if only any Florida receivers actually did well in the league this would be great.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
I’m sure Stryker and Slade are hard-core ballers.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Murphy is the best value pick we have made. He is more than insurance against Shields not recovering, I think Murphy will nail a roster spot.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Follett’s gonna go undrafted?
You know?
April 26th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
1st?
April 26th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
9th?
April 26th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
I love the Heineken commercial, with the old man cabbie singing OH BABY YOU, GOT WHAT I NEED….
Classic!
April 26th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I like this guy.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Agreed Scottish.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
lolGators
April 26th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
why would you say that Bigelow? My biggest pet peive is stupid commercials but that one is funny!
Come on man old man singing ODB.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
this is how you conduct yourself in an interview, professional answers and attitude and has a chance to make a 5 WR cut, maybe better if Walker goes down again with injury. Looks like Holland, Watkins, and Shields will be looking for a new home, you know?
April 26th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
That commercial would have been funny five or six years ago. Besides, that was not an Old Dirty Bastard song. How old are you, like 15?
April 26th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
all i got to say is.. RAIDERS BABY
April 26th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
I thought you were 15 looking at your handle. Not odb huh?, who is it then, that song was big when I was in College, maybe my memory doesn’t serve me correctly.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Tomycar, all you have to say is, “RAIDERS BABY”, because you have nothing positive to say about this draft. Plus, you most likely have a limited vocabulary.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
bizmarky?
April 26th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
That’s my beef guys. Where is that DE that holds the g-d point? Where’s the NT that can swallow up a couple lineman?
That’s all I was looking for. I wasn’t looking for a defensive overhaul..
Just wanted ONE mf’er that can do something against the run and keep an LB clean.
The Raiders didn’t do that today and that’s what is disappointing. The 3rd and 4th rounds were disappointing. The DTs that were available could have helped.
I have no beef with the DHB pick. I really don’t. He’s a great talent But they really needed a run oriented lineman at some point in this draft and they didnt do it.
So now they have to rely on Dwayne Board to coach these guys up BIG TIME. Kelly has to be play to his contract THE BEST DT IN THE LEAGUE…not serviceable…he should be there with Haynesworth or Kevin Williams…Tommie Harris or Warren Sapp in his prime…Come on
Same with Warren…disappears for entire games.. can’t have that sh****…you know… paid $5million a year…he CANT BE FREEEKN AVERAGE
and Terdell Sands…I mean the excuses for those 3 ended today BIG TIME BECAUSE THE DEFENSE REALLY RESTS ON THEIR SHOULDERS.
Think about it…even if our offense becomes the next “Greatest Show on Turf” what good will it do if teams just pound the rock and play ball control…then we will be forced to pass all the time.
Not a hater..just going off of what my untrained eyes have seen the past couple of years.
People talk about Russell being in the building…who’s asking about the D-Lineman….THOSE ARE THE GUYS GASPING FOR AIR come training camp.
Someone better ride those D-Lineman all the way to Monday Night!
April 26th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
That was Biz Markie jhawk. It was a hit in the 80s.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine is a hater. Go root for SD.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
I have to give props to Priest, JHill, Nnamdi on the defensive strategy…
Its all about stopping the pass and scoring points…drafted a two speedy receivers, a safety and THREE situational pass rushers….to go with three linebackers that excel at pass coverage, the highest paid CB in the game, another good man2man corner and speed with tyvon branch.
The run defense consists of scoring points to force the team to pass.
I get it now! It was bludgeoned into my head…but I get it now.
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LOL, SnB. Too funny!
April 26th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Tomycar, all you have to say is, “RAIDERS BABY”, because you have nothing positive to say about this draft. Plus, you most likely have a limited vocabulary.
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obviously this must be the first time you read this blog.. over the past few weeks i have been posting alot.. go back and take a looksie LOL
April 26th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Kelly reworked his contract, so he has even less motivation to play hard.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
this kid really sounds as a great team mate…
up until i read this I really really liked him, hate when they bring “gods plan” into this stuff….
“Murphy: last night, it was pretty rough. I really thought I was going to go first day. But I was set on whatever God had for me is for me. And I know God wants me in Oakland. So that’s what it is. So I can’t complain.”
April 26th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Repost:
Don’t blame Morrison’s lack of run-stopping tackling ability on Sands and Kelly — most big runs against us were off-tackle, and the LB’s whiffed more than matadors.
If Burgess, or anybody other than a rookie (Scott) had done ANYTHING on the edges last year, nobody’d even be even mentioning the big guys in the middle. They’re not perfect, but they were NOT the problem last year.
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And, LMN — we SHOULD have addressed MLB/ILB somewhere along the way (regardless of Kelly/Sands), and I’d be surprised if we don’t bring in a few to try out.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
I’m not a hater, I just happen to use my brain. Unfortunately, that is a body part which many on this blog forget to switch on sometimes.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
SnB Defense ,
boschetti,richardson are the 2 players you are looking for.cable,marshall and board just need to tell richardson you are here to stop the run.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
The draft was ok. We really f****d up when we didn’t sign Tank. He could had been pretty good in our 4-3 D.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Yeah Negra you didn’t know that God played at florida?
One hell of a blocker!
April 26th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Repost:
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Our LBs suck too. No one is disputing that. But, the fact remains, the Raider D-line is the worst in football.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
I wanted a base DE too. I didn’t expect 3 situational pass rushers, LOL!
But it highlights the 3rd down issues we have, only having a sack leader with 5.
I’m holding out hope that we are going to see Kelly moved around, or that we are sticking Scott at base DE and turning him loose like the Jets game.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Sound like a hater to me. Why u hatin?
April 26th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
The Raiders DTs are the worst in football, I should say.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
# DMAC Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Is Zack still available????
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if you thinking about zaCH Follett, then yup he is still out there, hopefully we will get him when round 7 is done…
April 26th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Folett to the Lions.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Here’s my take:
I’ll be the first to admit, this draft did not go how I wanted it to go. But then again, BIG DEAL. I’m NOT an NFL scout, couch or player personnel person. Neither are ANY OF US ON THIS BLOG.
Almost all of our info comes from hearsay, ESPN or You Tube highlights.
Darius Heyward Bey, Mike Mitchell, Louis Murphy, and Stryker Sulak sound like they have some good things in common:
They work hard, they don’t give up on plays, they’re humble and willing to learn from their coaches, and they have good character.
I like that. You can teach technique and route running. You CANNOT teach HEART and CHARACTER.
I don’t know too much about Myers at TE, so hey, who am I to say anything about him.
The only pick that somewhat concerns me is the Shaughnessy pick. Not only do I feel we could have drafted a better defensive player than him, his Q&A was the WORST of all of the new draft picks. He came across as unsure of himself, his abilities, and also slightly unarticulate. Not happy with his pick but I hope he proves me wrong.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
jhawk…
what was it you didnt understand about my posts, Id love to elaborate…if i can, that is =)
April 26th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
I aint hatin dawg. The Raiders are my team. I just happen to believe that Al Davis is washed up and needs to step down.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
ive been saying for weeks i dont know of a DT on our roster that would could be even closely considered a starter..
April 26th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Folett, Follett. Whatever.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
So folks, 4 WR sets this year, with Bush or McFadden in the backfield?
April 26th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Kush.. speaking of articulate.. Mike Mitchel was very articulate and very confident in his abilities..
April 26th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
# Tomycar Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
ive been saying for weeks i dont know of a DT on our roster that would could be even closely considered a starter..
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Terd and Warren wouldn’t even have jobs if not for Oakland.
Kelly would be a decent backup DE for a 3-4 team.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
The genuine enthusiasm of guys like S Michael Mitchell will be contagious in the locker room.
The veteran Raiders all saw what he said about Mel Kiper, and they’re just loving this kid already.
Mitchell was born to be a Raiders player — and, his passion for contact will light a fire in every player (read: Morrison) on this defense. This defense is already better — even if Mitchell doesn’t start right away. His impact has already been felt.
Right on for this draft, and the potential in it. This is time for great excitement — not so much anxiety. A promising future is not a bad thing to have, people.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
SnB Defense ,
boschetti,richardson are the 2 players you are looking for.cable,marshall and board just need to tell richardson you are here to stop the run.
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Boschetti is a camp guy. A “do-right” guy. Let’s not make him something he’s not. We did that with Sands and are stuck with the consequences.
The Raiders needed a base defensive end. We got THREE situational pass rushers. Burgess and Scott clones….those guys are pass rushers..great..but rushing the QB ain’t everything…gotta at least slow down the run….
I’ve given up on stopping it.
Let’s go Dwayne Board!
April 26th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
# jhill Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
So folks, 4 WR sets this year, with Bush or McFadden in the backfield?
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So, you’re advocating injury for our Big Dummy QB?
April 26th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
LOL Kush,
You didn’t like his Rocky Balboa, ya know what I mean, impersonation?
Maybe he’s Philly guy.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Alright Bigelow if you say so, I love Al but I would agree it is time to turn it over to a GM and stay out of way.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Kush Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Darius Heyward Bey, Mike Mitchell, Louis Murphy, and Stryker Sulak sound like they have some good things in common:
They work hard, they don’t give up on plays, they’re humble and willing to learn from their coaches, and they have good character.
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I agree, its the only reason why im this positive =)LOL or not totally negative…
I still hate the Matt S pick, he really have to prove me wrong, i will be on his tail and spew how bad he is all the time…
I have accepted the DHB pick, just as i accepted McFadden and Russell didnt want any of them either…
I like the Mike M pick..
still I wanted a REAL ILB/MLB and move Morrison to the outside…
April 26th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
LOL SnB.. our only hope now of stopping the run is that the main problem was Ryan and not the talent level.. but i seriously dont see that as being the case
April 26th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
The genuine enthusiasm of guys like S Michael Mitchell will be contagious in the locker room.
The veteran Raiders all saw what he said about Mel Kiper, and they’re just loving this kid already.
Mitchell was born to be a Raiders player — and, his passion for contact will light a fire in every player (read: Morrison) on this defense. This defense is already better — even if Mitchell doesn’t start right away. His impact has already been felt.
Right on for this draft, and the potential in it. This is time for great excitement — not so much anxiety. A promising future is not a bad thing to have, people.
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Are you always this unrealistically optimistic?
April 26th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
What’s that Crow?
Why is he a dummy?
And why would he get hurt?
April 26th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
im optomistic about Mitchell.. and i never have anything good to say.. or so im told LOL
April 26th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
It is what it is…bring in the undrafted free agents…check out who is left in veteren free agents (I still like roy williams safety)….get your own damn players motivated!!!..and watch the waiver wire…Division Champs next year..
April 26th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
I haven’t found any articles about Mitchell ripping Kiper, am I missing something?
April 26th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
# jhill Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
What’s that Crow?
Why is he a dummy?
And why would he get hurt?
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Big Dummy has been his nickname since he was drafted.
He’d get hurt because you can’t go 4 wide with an O-line like Oakland’s. Not without a QB who runs a 4.4 in the 40.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Zach Follett went to Detroit
April 26th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
ZACH FOLLETT went to Detroit!
April 26th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Tomycar…
LOL, is there a echo in here????
April 26th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
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April 26th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Raiderjhawk..he said hewas getting a picture of Mel for his locker..
April 26th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
# Tomycar Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Zach Follett went to Detroit
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# La Milicia Negra Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
ZACH FOLLETT went to Detroit!
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See post #37.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Tomycar Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
LOL SnB.. our only hope now of stopping the run is that the main problem was Ryan and not the talent level.. but i seriously dont see that as being the case
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Well, now our only hope is Dwayne Board and John Marshall..I am not being a jerk..I am serious
Kelly was the highest paid DT till Haynesworth. He does not play anywhere close. He should be a force. He should be the guy they talk about on NFL Primetime anytime they show Raider highlights..kids should be wearing his jersey………right now he’s just a guy. THAT HAS TO CHANGE
Same with Warren and Sands…they are nice guys I am sure. But they are also highly paid. Where’s the Sands and Warren jerseys…where are the plays…AGAIN, NOT JUST BEING A GUY.
Boschetti is not an acceptable answer. The entire defense rests on Kelly/Warren/Sands…its time for them to play up to their expectations.
As for the DE…we might be better in rushing the QB…but the run control issues are still there
April 26th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
LOL, sorry
April 26th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Once you guys accept that there is more to a bad run defense than 1 position, then you’ll see that we made strides towards not being at the bottom in that area much longer.
Are you telling me that tackling from the S position didn’t need to be upgraded?
How about a pass rush so we can get off the field on 3rd and 5 or longer?
I just don’t see how some of you don’t see improvements in those 2 areas as a must to improve the defense overall!
April 26th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
The Q&A’s from Heyward-Bey, Mitchell, Murphy, and the report I heard from Sulak made me feel more confident about their selections.
Their demeanor, point of view, and attitude leads me to have confidence that the NFL scouts saw something in their performance that goes beyond You Tube highlights ESPN mock drafts.
What is a MOCK DRAFT anyway? Just somebody’s opinion. And we know the saying about opinions.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
I predict Russell to have a year worse than Walter under shell, he will lay down more on the field than he does in his bed…
all these WRs and nobody to protect Russell, you must wonder how they will figure this one out… well its back Als 70s football, yiiiiihaaa =)
April 26th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
One of these OTs will go to the Raiders as an UFA:
Alex Boone
Sean Sester
Adam Ulatoski
Eric Vanden Huevel
Lydon Murtha
April 26th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Well, no more Murtha
April 26th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
It’s obvious we are looking for character/leadership guys.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
We should take a couple of those OT’s if possible you never know who could stick.
April 26th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
jhill…
they just run against us, its 3rd and 9, they run it for 11, 1st and 10, they pass dont make it, 2nd and 10dont make it, 3rd and 10 they run it for 15yds…
the only way for us to win this division is not by being able to stop the pass, its being able to stop the run – period!
April 26th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
there is more to a bad run d then just 1 position i agree.. but it all starts up front
April 26th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Chris Carter nedds to shut the F^@& up about Honerable Mention…Heyward_bey needs to put his pic in his locker..
April 26th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
# jhill Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Once you guys accept that there is more to a bad run defense than 1 position, then you’ll see that we made strides towards not being at the bottom in that area much longer.
Are you telling me that tackling from the S position didn’t need to be upgraded?
How about a pass rush so we can get off the field on 3rd and 5 or longer?
I just don’t see how some of you don’t see improvements in those 2 areas as a must to improve the defense overall!
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Are you serious? We had a very good SS in Gibril Wilson, and our run D was still horrendous.
EVERYTHING starts with the defensive line. That includes the run defense. Oakland’s DTs are the worst in all of football. Terdell Sands wouldn’t win a starting job at McNeese State, nevermind an NFL team. Kelly is laughable. Warren is worthless.
Are you blind, or just too stubborn to admit that you’re wrong?
April 26th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
yeah Carter is showing his true class, here’s to hoping DHB shuts him up.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
#54, #58
Crow is right. Henderson handled some good rushers at the end of last season, but you still have to lose sleep wondering how he will hold up as our LT. J-ville let Barnes leave; Denver let Pears leave. Green is a good journeyman back-up.
The shame is that we have a young talented TE but we will still need him to ship before he goes into the pattern.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
LMN,
Stop with the Russell on his back stuff. How many sacks did Henderson give up last year? And Barnes is and upgrade to Cornell Green without question, so what are you talking about?
Satele over Wade and Morris (since Grove was always hurt)?
Nothing to worry about at all. Unless of course you just like to worry.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Maybe Als draft consultant was Matt Millen.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
All our pics can at least have that chip on there shoulder..
April 26th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
chip (not ship)
April 26th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
they just run against us, its 3rd and 9, they run it for 11, 1st and 10, they pass dont make it, 2nd and 10dont make it, 3rd and 10 they run it for 15yds…
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Yeah right. There you go making stuff up again.
More like a swing pass to the RB with Morrison making the tackle 11 yards later.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
This year the Raiders obviously felt that the bigger names and ATHLETES if you will needed to go to the offensive side of the ball in order to give Jamarcus more weapons.
I may be in the minority, but I think that much of our problems on the O-line last year can be summed up in one sentence…Tom Cable’s reluctance to admit his mistake, bench Kwame Harris earlier in the season and start Mario Henderson. Mario went up against a couple of the most elite DE’s the NFL has to offer and played extremely well.
I’m sorry but that film has to count for something against UNPROVEN college OT’s who haven’t played one snap in the NFL.
I’m not saying that O-line help in the draft isn’t good, but I am saying that Mario Henderson deserves more credit than he has received from many.
Pears, and Barnes are the X factors but they are CLEARLY upgrades over Cornell Green. Think of the Tampa game. We need to build on that and find people with HEART, CHARACTER, and HARD WORK ETHIC, who want to give 100% on every snap. Not spoiled, unproven primadonnas who haven’t played one down in the NFL and already think that the world owes them something.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Bottom line…our current players..Sands, Kelley, Burgess, Morrison, Thomas, Huff..need to improve thir play..
April 26th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
LMN said:
Woaw Al you did it again, totally wasted this years draft! at least under Kiffin we got solid guys, now we are back to the pre2007 situation… a lot of hoping, no sure payoff…
then,
LMN said:
I agree, its the only reason why im this positive =)LOL or not totally negative…
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Huh? LMN, you’re showing another face again…how many stances on the same subject can you take?
At least you do it using the same alias!
April 26th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Are you serious? We had a very good SS in Gibril Wilson, and our run D was still horrendous.
EVERYTHING starts with the defensive line. That includes the run defense. Oakland’s DTs are the worst in all of football. Terdell Sands wouldn’t win a starting job at McNeese State, nevermind an NFL team. Kelly is laughable. Warren is worthless.
Are you blind, or just too stubborn to admit that you’re wrong?
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We beat this to death for the 3 months PRIOR to the draft. Sorry you weren’t here for that.
Had film study and all.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
What solid players?? Obviously you are “dazed”.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
jhill Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Once you guys accept that there is more to a bad run defense than 1 position, then you’ll see that we made strides towards not being at the bottom in that area much longer.
Are you telling me that tackling from the S position didn’t need to be upgraded?
How about a pass rush so we can get off the field on 3rd and 5 or longer?
I just don’t see how some of you don’t see improvements in those 2 areas as a must to improve the defense overall!
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JHill,
I think you and I were in basic agreement that they needed a base DE and an NT. We disagreed with who that player should be. The draft today was okay…they got players they think can contribute right away for what they are trying to do.
But the defensive line was short shrifted today. THREE SITUATIONAL PASS RUSHERS? We couldn’t get one base DE or DT and just TWO SITUATIONAL PASS RUSHERS?
When I see more accomplished defenses like Pittburgh, New England and Indianapolis draft TWO DTs and all three take ONE on the first day…..I gotta pause for a second.
Look, it is what it is…but they really should have signed a free agent earlier this year or drafted someone. If Mike Mitchell is getting 100+ tackles…the defense has failed…he needs to be more Ed Reed and less Gibril Wilson
The run defense rests on Dwayne Board and John Marshall…
April 26th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
I am predicting..Sands and Kelley will be better….Warren the same..
April 26th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
ESPN poll: Raiders grade = F. In fact, they get an “F” in every state vote except Vermont where only 3 people voted – all “D” votes. Davis must have relatives in Vermont.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=pollindex&pollId=70556
April 26th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
# jhill Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
LMN,
Stop with the Russell on his back stuff. How many sacks did Henderson give up last year? And Barnes is and upgrade to Cornell Green without question, so what are you talking about?
Satele over Wade and Morris (since Grove was always hurt)?
Nothing to worry about at all. Unless of course you just like to worry.
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you cant be serious ?
Barnes is horrible in the pass-game he is just like Harris, good run-game guy but opens a “negative” freeway on the pass…
Henderson does NOT make me stop worrying about the LT spot…
I like Satele alot..
the only way I see us succeed, is to pull out barnes on pass-plays… but that would make it pretty easy to read…
April 26th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Since you missed it Crow,
Check this summary of the Raider secondary that was replaced this weekend. Instead of a 10 yard gain, it was a 70 yd play. Point at the DTs in you want, but tell me Sam Williams at OLB, Jay Richards at DE being blocked(well maybe held) by a TE, and the two bumbling S didn’t jack up our run totals more than the DTs, LOL!
And this happened at least twice a game. Maybe not for 70 yds each time, but for 25 here, and 18 there. all adds up sir.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lDht-H0Hk4k
April 26th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
i never really cared about grades the same year as the draft.. it takes 3 years to grade drafts.. lets check back in 3 years and make a grade on the 2009 draft
April 26th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Ron…who cares??…draft picks don’t always stick..Al got who he wanted..believe me..I will take Al’s knowledge over Mel Kiper’s, Todd Mcshay, and most of the other “experts” whose dicisions don’t f273ing matter.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Barnes will be a fine upgrade over Green on the right side.. im not losing any sleep over Henderson at LT
April 26th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Let’s have faith Raider Nation..and if you are a Raider hater…get off this blog!
April 26th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
A certain ’70’s Super Bowl-winning team close to our hearts switched mid-season, by necessity, from a 4-3 to a 3-4…their personnel just seemed to be built to make plays better in that configuration.
We’re not that team, with those players…but with all the creative defensive alignments possible, this particular defense’s personnel look pretty good on paper and film. There is SPEED everywhere, except for the giants in the middle. Opposing QB’s are going to hate this defense if the young guys fit in.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
JHill,
I just don’t want to do that film study next year…you know.
anyway…I am done beating this one up….on a positive note:
I am warming up to the D-HB pick…D-HB and Schilens on the ends would be ridiculous….Zach Miller underneath with DMAC and/or Bush in the backfield…you motion DMAC and suddenly the defense has a big problem if Bush is still in the backfield
Pound the ball like they did in Tampa and that safety comes up….the opposing defense is in big trouble.
And fortunately, competent coaches like Tollner, Hackett and Cable will make sure that this new vertical offense is not of the Bed & Breakfast variety. Had those experienced coaches not been there I would be FRIGHTENED of a 2006 repeat.
Mike Mitchell…gotta be honest, after all the safety busts the last 10 years…I am in a show me…can’t get excited about the pick until I see how this defense lines up….but his YouTube clips looked good…but then again anyone can take the top 10 moments and look like a hero..
I’m glad that Henderson is getting a shot
April 26th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
You’re right SnB, we did agree that base DE and DT were two positions I would have like to see addressed.
And I still think they are an issue.
I already said I’m with you on the 3 situational pass rushers. But I really think that speaks volumes to what the coaches think about all our DEs except maybe Scott and Gunhiem. And they were all drafted where they were supposed to be drafted. Have no problem with them at all.
You know 3rd down defense was my biggest issue though before DT. And you know I like Scott and Gunhiem at Base DE, along with moving Kelly around.
Warren played damn good up until he tore his chest muscle I believe it was, and he still played through it.
I just think there are bigger fish to fry than Warren and Kelly, but I did like younger talent to come in behind those two, not replace them.
But we do pretty much agree on what needs to happen before we are completely back on track as a team. I just think we took some strides there this weekend.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
I agree with post number 97. Henderson on the left and Barnes on the right. Gallery is good, Satele is good and Carlisle well experienced in the zone blocking scheme.
Not the best O-line in the league, but definitely NOT THE WORST BY FAR. It’s actually a B-/C+ Offensive line in my opinion, with dangerous, athletic, speedy weapons in a HEALTHY Mcfadden, Bush, Miller, Higgins, Heyward Bey, Murphy, Chaz.
I’m eager to see it in action
April 26th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Barnes is horrible in the pass-game he is just like Harris, good run-game guy but opens a “negative” freeway on the pass…
the only way I see us succeed, is to pull out barnes on pass-plays
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Pull Barnes out on pass plays? LOL, Too funny.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
LMN said:
Woaw Al you did it again, totally wasted this years draft! at least under Kiffin we got solid guys, now we are back to the pre2007 situation… a lot of hoping, no sure payoff…
then,
LMN said:
I agree, its the only reason why im this positive =)LOL or not totally negative…
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Huh? LMN, you’re showing another face again…how many stances on the same subject can you take?
At least you do it using the same alias!
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some think im negative, i think im a bit positive, and if you read where those post was from its from the Matt S pick, its a total waste, and im positive about us picking hardworking guys…
and I never liked Als gamble, we cant afford to gamble, we bet the house the garage and now live in the shyt-house, and we still betting…
i have come to terms with the DHB pick, still dont like it, as i didnt like the Russel or McFadden pick, i now has to live with it.. I still think he wasted this draft away, but I can live with DHB, and in fact i like the Mike M pick, but I truly hate the Matt S pick…. Slade and Murphy sound like good team-players, I still would have liked us to upgrade our team and not picking the same-same…
or is that so hard to understand?
April 26th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
The Lions got Zach Follett? Damn.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Look LMN,
Harris’ BIGGEST problem was his inability to hold his water. His penalties killed us, and always had him second guessing himself.
Remember the 2 false starts in a row followed by a sack? His head was just jacked all the way up. When he wasn’t jumping offsides, he wasn’t that bad.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
# jhill Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Barnes is horrible in the pass-game he is just like Harris, good run-game guy but opens a “negative” freeway on the pass…
the only way I see us succeed, is to pull out barnes on pass-plays
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Pull Barnes out on pass plays? LOL, Too funny.
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oh how pathetic of you to not include the last sentence… he it is just to make the record straight..
—”the only way I see us succeed, is to pull out barnes on pass-plays… but that would make it pretty easy to read…”—
April 26th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Damn LMN, Relax!
I wasn’t trying to make a point. I just really thought that comment was funny.
I litterally L’d-OL.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Barnes had similar penalty problems to Harris in Jacksonville last year. That’s why they didn’t want him back.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Where did Crow go?
That clip wasn’t that long!
April 26th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
I don’t care what any of you say, Barnes is an upgrade over CORNELL GREEN!
April 26th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Crow’s reading other forums, laughing at Raider fans trying to spin this draft into something positive. It’s pretty damn funny.
Did I miss something?
April 26th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Jhill says:
I don’t care what any of you say, Barnes is an upgrade over CORNELL GREEN!
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Well, yeah. Doesn’t mean he’s the answer for either side of our offensive line.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
wow USC had 10 defensive players drafted… 13 players overall
April 26th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
# Oak-Tone Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
I am predicting..Sands and Kelley will be better….Warren the same..
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I’m predicting the sky will turn green tomorrow, with black clouds and a purple sun. I figure both predictions are just about equal in terms of likelihood.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
You’re not a Raider fan Crow?
April 26th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
RAIDERS RAIDERS . ARENT WE ALL HAPPY 2DAY ?
April 26th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
LMN — Watching you and the multi-personalities in here justify being negative at every turn has been more enjoyable than listening to the talking heads on TV spew their opinions. Well, almost enjoyable…
April 26th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
both harris and Barnes had 7.5 sacks last season, harris in 11 starts, barnes in 16…
as i said, they are the same, penalties is also a trademark of Barnes’…
—” Barnes has looked solid at times, he’s also been beaten for costly sacks, flagged for silly penalties and benched for poor play. Even on Jacksonville’s biggest play of the season — David Garrard’s 32-yard run on fourth down at Pittsburgh in the playoffs — Barnes could have been called for holding James Harrison (the NFL acknowledged the missed call at the league meetings in March).”—
April 26th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
# Oak-Tone Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Ron…who cares??…draft picks don’t always stick..Al got who he wanted..believe me..I will take Al’s knowledge over Mel Kiper’s, Todd Mcshay, and most of the other “experts” whose dicisions don’t f273ing matter.
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Have you followed Al’s drafting over the years? I’d pay a drunken hobo to make Oakland’s picks before I’d ask Al to do it for free.
Worst Owner/GM/Personnel guy in ALL…OF…SPORTS. Barr none.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
i remember Frank Middleton wasnt wanted back in Tampa either but became a pretty darn good guard for us (think it was tampa) until he tore his guads up doing squats..
Lincoln Kennedy was another failure from his former team.. he was a damn good RT for us too. players fit systems.. hopefully they will fit within ours.. but i honestly dotn think that its going to be that hard to upgrade over Green.. hell even McQ played better at RT then Green
April 26th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
# jhill Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
You’re not a Raider fan Crow?
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Yes, but no.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
I cannot freaking believe we went through the entire draft without taking a single offensive tackle.
I’m equally puzzled that we took two hybrid DE/OLBs when we run a 4-3.
Oh well. Two weeks until camp, right? Can’t wait.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
LMN — Watching you and the multi-personalities in here justify being negative at every turn has been more enjoyable than listening to the talking heads on TV spew their opinions. Well, almost enjoyable…
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so its not okay to accept the card we have been dealt? I accept DHB, I find it silly but I accept it, just as i find it silly that we picked Russell and McFaddn, but I have accepted it…
I stand by that the 3rd round pick is a totally waste, and I still think Al picked TWO WRs to get rid of all Kiffinese on the roster, maybe not at once, but certainly over a year or two..
I still find it silly to pick a OLB, no matter how nice he seems, when we have so glaring needs…
is that so hard to understand?
April 26th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
both harris and Barnes had 7.5 sacks last season, harris in 11 starts, barnes in 16…
as i said, they are the same, penalties is also a trademark of Barnes’…
—” Barnes has looked solid at times, he’s also been beaten for costly sacks, flagged for silly penalties and benched for poor play. Even on Jacksonville’s biggest play of the season — David Garrard’s 32-yard run on fourth down at Pittsburgh in the playoffs — Barnes could have been called for holding James Harrison (the NFL acknowledged the missed call at the league meetings in March).”—
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with that being said.. he is still an upgrade over Green
April 26th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Jhill…
im not saying Cornell Green is good, im NOT saying that Harris was good, IM SAYING THAT BARNES IS JUST AS BAD!!
April 26th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
I cannot freaking believe we went through the entire draft without taking a single offensive tackle.
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im glad we didnt take an OT we didnt need one.. i am very surprised we didnt take a DT tho.. our #1 overall need
April 26th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
McQuistan is an upgrade over Green. That’s not saying much.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Barnes is a tremendous upgrade over Harris and Green.. he will do fine on the right side.. if he was our LT id be worried..
April 26th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
7.5 sacks over 11 games does not equal 7.5 sacks over 16 games. Cmon!
And all of Barnes sacks were given up to pro bowlers, and that last sack you mentioned would have been to the league MVP for crying out loud.
But your entitled to your opinion. I have no problem with that.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
tomycar..
he is an upgrade in the run-game, but not in the pass game, and his mental state is worse than green…
you will learn to hate him, my guess is 4 games..
one of my colleagues is a JAX fan, i b1tched and moaned about the guy, and laughed his azz of when we signed him, he said coffees on me the next month, just out of pity..
April 26th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Crow Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
McQuistan is an upgrade over Green. That’s not saying much.
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your right its not.. Green is really just that bad.. he is a back up at best
April 26th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
“7.5 sacks over 11 games does not equal 7.5 sacks over 16 games. Cmon!”
never said so, if i felt that way, i had kept the number of starts to myself…
April 26th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
you will learn to hate him, my guess is 4 games..
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LOL!
You’re in rare form today LMN!
Again, too funny!
April 26th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
La Milicia… like i said before.. i dont have a prob with him being on the right side.. if he was our LT id be worried.. i really do think that my dead grandmother (yes the same one who can run for 160 on our run d) would be an upgrade over Green LOL
April 26th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Repost on Khalif Barnes:
During his first 3 seasons as the starting LT, Jax won an average of 10 games, their offense ranked in the top 10 in scoring every year and made the playoffs twice.
Unlike Kwame Harris, Barnes has had success in this level and he’s been a key starter for a playoff team.
Let’s look at Barnes last year (his worst season):
He lined up across a Pro Bowl player for 9 out of 16 games and gave up 7.5 sacks, including:
2 vs Mario Williams (Pro Bowler)
1 vs Dwight Freeney (Pro Bowler)
1 vs James Harrison (Pro Bowler)
1 vs Kyle Vandenbosch (Pro Bowler)
Barnes also held these guys without a sack:
Dwight Freeney (Pro Bowler)
Mario Williams (Pro Bowler)
Jared Allen (Pro Bowler)
Terrell Suggs (Pro Bowler)
Aaron Schobel (Pro Bowler)
Obviusly, Barnes played division rivals Freeney and Mario twice.
What about the running game?…
“The Jaguars averaged 6.04 yards per carry running off left tackle in 2008, the second best mark in the league.”
Bottom line:
Barnes is just 26, has plenty of talent and if he can keep his head in the game and stay out of trouble, he can definitely turn into a steal.
Why did Jax let him go then?.
That decision was made a long time ago when Barnes worw out his welcome by calling Jacksonville a hick town and saying he could not wait to get out.
They kept him last year even after those comments because he was on the last year of his rookie deal, he made 500,000 dollars and they were winning with him.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Jhill…
try look into the penalties, then, you still find barnes good, he may be an upgrade, still doesnt save russells azz, he will get the walter treatment
April 26th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
You are saying that he is a bad pass protector, becasue he gave up 7.5 sacks in 16 games?
To PRO BOWLERS?
April 26th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
id personally like to see McQ as our RT.. i thought he played pretty well there for the 8 games Green broke his finger nail.. but thats just my opinion
April 26th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Listen, some of my near-sighted near-friends…
Cable signed 3 O-linemen before the draft. Cable’s a O-line coach who knew what he wanted to get. Cable has seen those guys in workouts already, and he knows what he has to work with. I’m thinking Cable knew whether a $50-million rookie was necessary to give him a viable O-line and decided against it. We already know Al’s not afraid to draft O-linemen.
This draft IS on Cable, no matter who picked the picks — if he needed one of the “Cadillac” O-linemen in the draft, he would’ve begged for one.
The fact the O-line coach, who is also the HC, has as much faith in his line is admirable, and better be rewarded.
It’s also a HUGE positive, knowing he KNOWS what his O-line looks like compared to other teams’ O-lines and defensive fronts. I’m putting me faith in the Cable Man!
April 26th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
i really do think that my dead grandmother (yes the same one who can run for 160 on our run d)
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She sure is active for a dead woman, LOL!
April 26th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
bob…
as i said, Barnes is good in the Run-game, he just isnt worth much in the pass-game… And…
im not saying Cornell Green is good, im NOT saying that Harris was good, IM SAYING THAT BARNES IS JUST AS BAD!!
April 26th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Thank You Marley!
April 26th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
# Tomycar Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
id personally like to see McQ as our RT.. i thought he played pretty well there for the 8 games Green broke his finger nail.. but thats just my opinion
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you cant be serious, maybe in a power-scheme like NYG, but he surely sux in the quick game, he wont be much more than a backup for the backups…
April 26th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
He lined up across a Pro Bowl player for 9 out of 16 games and gave up 7.5 sacks, including:
2 vs Mario Williams (Pro Bowler)
1 vs Dwight Freeney (Pro Bowler)
1 vs James Harrison (Pro Bowler)
1 vs Kyle Vandenbosch (Pro Bowler)
Barnes also held these guys without a sack:
Dwight Freeney (Pro Bowler)
Mario Williams (Pro Bowler)
Jared Allen (Pro Bowler)
Terrell Suggs (Pro Bowler)
Aaron Schobel (Pro Bowler)
Obviusly, Barnes played division rivals Freeney and Mario twice.
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What’s that you say about his pass blocking?
April 26th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
id personally like to see McQ as our RT.. i thought he played pretty well there for the 8 games Green broke his finger nail.. but thats just my opinion
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Totally agreed with that. Just never understood the decision to go back to Green. Funny thing is McQ would have been our LT today had he not tore up his knee. He was in front of Henderson on the depth chart at LT.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
# Tomycar Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
La Milicia… like i said before.. i dont have a prob with him being on the right side.. if he was our LT id be worried.. i really do think that my dead grandmother (yes the same one who can run for 160 on our run d) would be an upgrade over Green LOL
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well thats the problem, only at this board henderson is written in stone as our LT, when camp comes both has equal opportunity to win/lose the spot, and i DO worry about them both, I wnat Henderson to be the ONE, but I doubt it, and even if Barnes loses and get the RT, I still doubt his mental sides, I see him Harris long lost brother, except Harris at least could handle his business of the field…
April 26th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
This may be this blog’s funniest post ever:
La Milicia Negra Says:
tomycar..
he is an upgrade in the run-game, but not in the pass game, and his mental state is worse than green…
you will learn to hate him, my guess is 4 games..
one of my colleagues is a JAX fan, i b1tched and moaned about the guy, and laughed his azz of when we signed him, he said coffees on me the next month, just out of pity..
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What? Hahahahahaha
One of your work friends is a Jax fan, and he bought your coffee for a month — that’s why Barnes is a bad pick-up?
LMN — Your posts are getting worse (funnier) and worse by the minute now. I need another beer — this is like being in a comedy show.
April 26th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Jhill…
how many penalties did he get? 10ydpenalty is almost worse than a sack…
April 26th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
jhill ,
sounds to me like he is a right tackle.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Why did Jax let him go then?.
That decision was made a long time ago when Barnes worw out his welcome by calling Jacksonville a hick town and saying he could not wait to get out.
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He’ll be thrilled in Oakland, then. I hope he doesn’t like winning.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
well…the draft is over and finally we get a bunch of high motor guys. Way to build the team Al/Cable. If you dont like it, live with it. Go Raiders.
Just heard Mitchell on ESPN radio a little while ago. STUD!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
# alisgod Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
well…the draft is over and finally we get a bunch of high motor guys. Way to build the team Al/Cable. If you dont like it, live with it. Go Raiders.
Just heard Mitchell on ESPN radio a little while ago. STUD!!!
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Radio interview = Stud
Failure Nation at its finest.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Bob M. – Thanks for posting some useful information.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
WERE WINNING DA SUPER BOWL DIS SEASON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
YA KNOW WUTS REALLY CRAZY ? U MORONS WILL BE POTIN YUR SILLY LIL MOCK DRAFTS NEXT YEAR AND GETTIN DISSAPOINTED WHEN AL DRAFTS FUKKIN TIM TEBOW NEXT YEAR IN DA 1ST ROUND !!!!! LOL
April 26th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
great now all we need is a #1 WR a LT and a DT oh and a saftey… WASTE!!
FUKKING GREAT AL!!! FUKK!!!!! WHY YOU S.O.B!! WHY!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
complete WASTE!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
JUST DONT UNDERSTAND WHY U IDIOTS WONT REALIZE DAT DA GREAT SITH LORD AL DAVIS IS DIFFERNT THAN ANY OTHER O
WNER
April 26th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
I’d like to stop, but you keep throwing out priceless quotes…
LMN says:
he is an upgrade in the run-game, but not in the pass game, and his mental state is worse than green…
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LMN — Please tell us how you know what his, or Green’s, mental state is?
How do you know…that somebody you never saw play in one system will fail — before you see him play in a different system altogether?
This is the creative thinking that’s keeping our shipping lanes safe, in the world’s most important job?!
Take off the blinders, and open your eyes, stubborn dude — there may be some people (some who even played/coached the game!) who might know just a little more about football than you do — and your absolute knowledge on the matter is embarrassing you.
LMN — I’m starting to picture you as one of the narcissists from The Big Lebowski.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Daze if you didnt drink so much, it may be easier for you to understand…
yeah he offered me coffee(though i dont drink coffee) for a month because he was relieved barnes wouldnt be a part of JAX, and because he had pity on me/raiders for picking him up…
he sure has his upside, i.e the rungame, and he IS better than Green, but I really fear him winning the LT-spot… but even as a RT i still fear his lack of mentally strength… I give you four games, then you will hate the guy as well…. oh wait, you love anything about the raiders, especially the losing?!
April 26th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Crow…STFU and leave already ok. You dont know schytt about football. Go wipe Kiper’s a$$ while you at it.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Well here ya go, a breakdown of them all
Darrius – Persian Emperor
Heyward – that which a prisoner says at his parole hearing
Bey – a Turkish nabob
Mike – (as he prefers) an audio device
Mitchell – a mispronunciation of Michelle
Matt – something to wipe your feet on
Shaughnessy – last utterance of someone eaten by a remnant creature in a Scottish loch
Louis – Many a gluttinous French king
Murphy – a side bet that can be invoked by a golfer who is chipping
Slade – a pimp in NW Philly
Norris – an extinct division of the NHL
Stryker – one who kicks the ball really hard in European futbol and seldom succeeds with his aim.
Sulak – The other part of the imprisonment system not written of by Solzhenitzyn
Brandon – a juggler in the time of that putrifacted murderer Henry VIII
Myers – A scenic town south of Lake Tahoe
there you have it folks. your draft defined.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
NET SEASON SOME CORNERBACK WIL RUN A 4.29 AND WELL DRAFT HIM NUMBER 6 OVERALL … AND ERRBODY WILL GET PISSED AGAIN …
April 26th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
LMN-
Khalif Barnes IS an upgrade over Kwame Harris if you look at HIS ENTIRE CARRER. His carrer stats and the fact that he played for a playoff team and top rushing football team give him immeasurables FAR ABOVE HARRIS!
Last year was his worst year and his stats were still above Harris’. Keep in mind, this is all while playing on the LEFT SIDE, when here in Oakland he will most likely be playing on the RIGHT SIDE.
The logic does not add up to insisting that Barnes is equally as bad as Harris.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
WASTE WASTE WASTE!!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Penalties…
Barnes has a total of 6 false starts and 9 holdings in 4 years as a Pro, 60 games played.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
HEY , I KINOW SLADE, HE HAS DA BEST HOES /
April 26th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
tell me how the new james jett will help us win??
April 26th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
HMM.. U THINK AL WANTS DA TEAM TO SUKK SO HE CAN MOVE EM AGAIN ?
April 26th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Jhill…
how many penalties did he get?
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I don’t know.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
MAN. ON MADDEN10 IM GONNA THROW BOMBS TO HEYWARD BEY ALL DA;
April 26th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
OH WELL. WERE GONNA BE GOOD IN 2011 . !! GO RAIDERS . IM FINA GO WATCH A MOVIE
April 26th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Al would rather be consistent than right.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Al thinks the NFL is madden 10… hes a dipshtt..
April 26th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Al needs to die already!!
April 26th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
I already gave my opinions on DHB and MM. I like MM more than DHB. But think that DHB will be more productive than some of us may think. No Jerry Rice or Tim Brown though.
Watching MM I see a guy that besides the obvious hard hitting, he can read plays and commits to his read, but when wrong, adapts to the play. He seems to have good improvising skills. Like I said, like him more than DHB.
With Murphy it means that one or maybe 2 WRs will be gone. Which ones? Feel free to comment.
Now, when it comes to the draft as a whole, I think we didn’t do as bad. A lot of unpopular picks, but sometimes those are the ones that work. I will refrain from calling any of them busts until I see them play. Though I am sure some of them will be. You can’t gamble and go long on every play and catch every ball, but when you do, boy it is sweet. I say after it’s all said and done, this draft will have about a 40 – 50% success rate.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
al is drafting taylor mays or eric berry next year
April 26th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
just like every year, half the guys we took wont make the team, and half will take up spots they don’t earn cause they’re Als guys..
April 26th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
And may I add that Mr Matt, you know, our new DE, you know, is the very definition, you know, of a four year education, you know, in Madison, Wisconsin being, you know, about as edifying as, you know, studying the waste, you know, on the paper, you know, that you cast down the toilet, you know, each day. I would love to see that kid’s Wonderlic score. If its above Vince Young’s…
April 26th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
M Lonetree…..#163
That was priceless…Thanks for a much needed laugh..
April 26th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
just draft the olimpic relay team… FUKKING IDIOTS!!
April 26th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
I called it the other day….I said ” we are going to have a ” we want sapp , we want sapp” momement and sure enough…with the 7th pic the raiders select darrius heyward bey,We all got a taste of how it feels to be a new york jets fan
April 26th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
# alisgod Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Crow…STFU and leave already ok. You dont know schytt about football. Go wipe Kiper’s a$$ while you at it.
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*golf clap*
April 26th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
it so much harder being a raider 4 life..
April 26th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
I just want to know….did we draft James Jett JR?
April 26th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
yes
April 26th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
I’m sure Stryker and Slade are hard-core ballers.
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This sounds like something you might read on a porn blog.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
watch his routs, he’s just a sprinter..
April 26th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Funny, our O-line did just fine against a playoff contending Tampa Bay team last season.
We add three OT’s via free agency, Mcfadden and Bush are healthy, we still have Miller, Higgins and Schilens, and in addition added two quality prospects at wide receiver. Yet somehow we’re JUST AS BAD AS LAST SEASON.lol
The Giants add Hakeem Nicks who was rated LOWER than Heyward Bey on all draft charts, and everyone raved about how they made a GREAT pick and addressed their need at wide receiver to replace Plaxico Burress.
Yet somehow even though the receiver the Raiders got, Heyward-Bey was rated higher than Hakeem Nicks, somehow our pick is gonna be a bust but the Giants addressed their need at WR.
IT MAKES NO SENSE. The inconsistency, hypocrisy, and double standards during this draft by the so called ‘experts’ was nauseating.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Too bad we never had a QB that could utilize James Jett’s speed.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Kush…
as i said, Barnes is good in the Run-game, he just isnt worth much in the pass-game… And…
im not saying Cornell Green is good, im NOT saying that Harris was good, IM SAYING THAT BARNES IS JUST AS BAD!!
April 26th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
would any of you actually be happy if we had picked all of mk jr’s choices, this is what makes the raiders the raiders, for better or worse, we do it differently, black coaches, chick ceos, kickers and punters in the 1st rnd, cant have it both ways, you’re in or out, i’m in, always have been, also heard mitchel today interviewed on fox sports radio on my way to home depot, xm sat, it was a sign, the guys said that what makes him different is his intelligence, and he said it intellegently, i think you all are gonna love this guy,
April 26th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
worst draft since we took a kicker in the first round..
the niners still have our previous kicker.. whos more acurate than ours…
April 26th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
And we are saying you are wrong, LMN.
Actaully, the facts are proving you wrong.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
JETT couldn’t catch.. when he was open down field he dropped it.. he wasted a roster spot for 5-6 yrs.. and so will DHB.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
can dhb catch 50 passes this year …is he our number 1 receiver this year? is Mike mitchell a starter day 1??
April 26th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
LMN I understand your position. I’m just asking you to show some facts that prove that Barnes performance over the course of his career as ‘JUST AS BAD’ as Kwame Harris.
Please provide some facts to support your argument over the course of both players’ careers.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
For those Mitchell supporters, the link below will give you better videos of him during his press conf.
http://www.raiders.com/Multimedia/MultimediaCenter.aspx?id=62554&categoryId=0
April 26th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
we did’nt improve our team at all…
April 26th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
i hope crabtree is the next rashaun woods
April 26th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
It’s more because of where the Giants got Nicks as opposed to where we got Bey.
On Sulak…..I watched the clips that yahoo provided (that’s about all the energy I’m going to put into research for this group) I liked what I saw as far as tackling. Looks like he actually wraps people up.
As oppposed to MM who just hits with his shoulder. I can’t wait for him to do that and watch the receiver bounce off and keep running.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
909,
thanks. just thought that the entire proceedings needed a different way of viewing. Any draft is at best a 50 percenter and My God did the Raiders pick every single person that no on here had ever thought of after Senhor Darrius.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Our offensive line gave up seven sacks in the last six games of 2008. Our opponents were each of our division rivals, the Patriots, Tampa Bay and Houston (Mario Williams). We rushed for an average of 133 yards per game in those six contests.
Marley posted great info on Khalif Barnes, who will most likely start, along with Mario Henderson. Anyone that doesn’t see that as an upgrade over Cornell Green (who was a backup in Denver before starting here) is maybe just stubborn. Pears was a starter for Denver until his appendectomy, and will be a quality backup because he’s played both left and right tackle as a starter in the league, and with one of the better ZBS teams around I might add. Samson Satele made the NFL’s All-Rookie team two years ago, and was traded to the Raiders mainly because they are now two years into a new regime and didn’t consider him a fit for their new scheme. He replaces Jake Grove, who was either injured or on the bench behind Jeremy Newberry. Grove and Carlisle are returning, solid starters.
It amazes me that people still think our O-line stinks. Seven sacks in the last six games equals 19 for the year. That is 6th in the league for fewest sacks. 133 yards per game rushing is 8th in the league.
I know as well as anyone that stats don’t tell the whole story, but production is production and you can’t argue with those numbers.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
we are either going to cut pics from last years draft or this years…. thats just how we waste!!
have fun winning again N.E and Philly…
April 26th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Teach these people Edward.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
M
“I would love to see that kid’s Wonderlic score. If its above Vince Young’s…”
23, that’s what Matt Shaughnessy scored on the wonderlic at the combine….the kid was probably just nervous.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
WASTED DRAFT!!
we could have traded our #7 pic for all the players we took in the draft… think about it.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
I’d like to stop, but you keep throwing out priceless quotes…
LMN says:
he is an upgrade in the run-game, but not in the pass game, and his mental state is worse than green…
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LMN — Please tell us how you know what his, or Green’s, mental state is?
How do you know…that somebody you never saw play in one system will fail — before you see him play in a different system altogether?
This is the creative thinking that’s keeping our shipping lanes safe, in the world’s most important job?!
Take off the blinders, and open your eyes, stubborn dude — there may be some people (some who even played/coached the game!) who might know just a little more about football than you do — and your absolute knowledge on the matter is embarrassing you.
LMN — I’m starting to picture you as one of the narcissists from The Big Lebowski.
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I dont say i have the most important job in the world, i said that to the fool that thought Matt S sounded smart and that Matt S would earn more bux than me (which he most likely will), and that i had studied at some night school.. I said I had a more important job than any on the raider roster have! and I said that I certainly not even sounded that stupid when i was 12!!
and if you just watched Barnes last 2 seasons at JAX, which I have, you can see Barnes is not mentally sound, when you say your town is a hick-town, when you call a Police-officer, a member of KKK.. then you not mentally sound… Cornell green is not a better player but obviously better mentally…
I have played the game, and I have coached very little, you brought this up several times, so I assume you have, and if so, obviously more than me, but still you are the one who looks stupid when you say Kelly, Sands and Gerrard are great…
what really bothers me, is when guys here eat anything raw, as long as its from Alameda…. had Barnes signed with KC, SD or DEN you absolutely would have cr4pped all over him… so I dont give anything for rosecollored views!
April 26th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
FUKKING BULLSHTT!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Als saggy lower jaw Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
FUKK ME!! another wasted year of my LIFE!!
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Based on your whining, didnt realize you had a life to begin with?
April 26th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Im going with this guys mock draft from now on…HE ONLY GOT 4 WRONG! ————————-Posted by ESPN.com’s Mike Sando
Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic correctly forecast 29 of 32 players as first-round choices, a very strong showing for a mock draft.
I broke out mocks from Somers and three other beat reporters covering NFC West teams earlier Saturday. Forecasting trades is difficult. I measure first-round mock drafts by counting how many of the listed players actually became first-round choices. Somers missed only on Eben Britton, Darius Butler and Rey Maualuga.
Rob Rang of NFL Draft Scout missed four. So did Pat Kirwan of NFL.com. Rick Gosselin of the Dallas Morning News missed five, as did Mel Kiper. Our mid-week divisional bloggers’ mock also missed five.
Let me know if you see any mocks with fewer than three players projected as first-round choices who were not drafted in the round.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
they were nialists..
April 26th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Al’s Saggy
So this draft was worse than the Gallery and Grove fiasco? How about the Huff draft with Shell. Oh another would be Turners last draft when we gave up our 7th overall for Moss or last years when we gave up our second round pick for MeAngelo. We need perspective here…. At least these guys have good attitudes and Mitchell and Norris could be bonafide sleeper picks. These have all been since Seabass…. Frankly this may be one of our better drafts considering some of the things we did.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Of course we hope that Henderson and Barnes will turn into pro bowl OTs.
Monroe was simply a better bet. It was just a few days ago that Cable himself said it would be nice to have one of “Cadillac” LTs in this draft. Monroe is the best pass blocker of the group, and he had the best athleticism to work in a zone blocking system.
Notwithstanding Gallery, OL is the typically the most consistent position for predicting the future success of first rounders, while WRs typically take years to develop.
Lets hope we beat the market, and that our OTs and WRs have pro bowl-worth seasons.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
The Giants were picking at the bottom of every round and had a simply amazing draft. Al really needs to kill himself or admit that he’s a failure and bring in a real football guy to handle personnel. This is beyond ridiculous.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
214 great, pat old Al on the back cause this was only our 4th worst draft ever..
April 26th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
In my way of looking the Raiders just did a redux on
Jerry Porter (without the attitude)
Derrick Gibson
Anttaj Hawthorne
James Jett
Rob Fredrickson
Tyler Bayton
John Madsden
I hope to hell I am completely wrong.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
just think about post # 208
April 26th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
LMN also said the new DE’s injuries were worse than they actually were — just to support his argument against drafting him. Real credible debate.
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can dhb catch 50 passes this year …is he our number 1 receiver this year? is Mike mitchell a starter day 1??
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SC — Yes to #1, but only if he’s also Yes to #2. That will be tough to do with Zach really just now coming into his own.
If DHB beats-out Javon Walker, and he might, then he and Zach could each have 50-ish catches this year. Spreading the ball around will be JaMarcus’s greatest ally — not just that deep bomb we want to see connect so badly.
50-ish for DHB and Zach means others are getting the ball, too — the offense will be clicking.
Ahh, to dream…
April 26th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
MAYBE WE CAN GET A non drafted free agent to shore up the d line
April 26th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Im going with this guys mock draft from now on…HE ONLY GOT 4 WRONG! ————————-Posted by ESPN.com’s Mike Sando
Kent Somers of the Arizona Republic correctly forecast 29 of 32 players as first-round choices, a very strong showing for a mock draft.
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Math: It’s hard.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
WASTE! thats why we pic in the top ten… 6 yrs strait.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Marley Esq.,
wow. a 23! that is borderline intelligent! or, it defines the horrendous disabilities afforded by higher education in the present.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
It’s amazing to me how people take a person’s words and twist and misrepresent them. Just watched the actual press conference of Cable commenting on the Mike Mitchell pick on raiders.com.
Cable DID NOT say that Mitchell is going to be as good as or is the next coming of Ronnie Lott and Jack Tatum.
He said that Mitchell has the SAME MENTALITY as Lott as Tatum. That is TRUE.
If you read Mitchell’s Q&A you see that Mitchell said those exact words out of HIS OWN MOUTH, that he studies those two legendary safeties and approaches the game with the same mentality that those two players did as he was taught to do by his father.
Yet Cable’s quote was stated by many people with a slant to ridicule Cable by implying that he said that a virtually unknown prospect like Mitchell was going to be the next coming of Tatum and Lott. Disgusting.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
that guy duke was there for us…wonder why we didnt take him
April 26th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
you guys can polish this turd if you want but its still a peice of SHTT!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
” if jerry rice was there, we would have still have taken jessie hester” al davis is an idiot
April 26th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
The teach #204 – Good post…
Why spend big money on Monroe when we just finally developed our own talent on the Left side that fits our system and then have two solid prospects Pear and Barnes to compete on the right side. We also have McQuinstan. Lets give these guys a chance to develop.
LMN – By the way I like Barnes mental state better than a alledged domestic abuser!!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
WTF mods: this idiot can say he wants AL to die but i cant say i want him to die WTF
April 26th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
LMN — Stop putting words in me mouth, you know that’s not fair. Oh, that’s right, a fair argument based on facts would mean you would have to admit a few positive changes in the team. Without backstroking to save face. You can’t do it.
I never said Kelly, Sands, or any one of our D-line was great. I said Kelly and Sands weren’t the problem last year — the edges were.
Now stop arguing longer — just to try and save one of your many faces.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
Kush…that is why I watch everyone of Cable’s press conf rather thatn just read the writers….
April 26th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
LMN also said the new DE’s injuries were worse than they actually were — just to support his argument against drafting him. Real credible debate.
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now you starting to be pathetic… I asked Bob marley, if it then was 2 bummed knees, a shoulder and a broken leg…
all you do, is back-logging, no problem with that, then at least do the properly…
and btw, I never got an answer, but later i read up on it, and it seems like its “only” a bummed knee, and a broken leg…
I still dont like the guy, and he really has to prove me wrong, if he do, ill eat my words, but so far, he is a waste, I really really dont like that kid, I have accepted the rest, but Matt S is waste, and hopefully we will dump him so he dont take a roster spot form an more entitled player!
April 26th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Thank You
April 26th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Al Davis is the ultimate insane idiot, no doubt about it. His idiocy can be blamed on old age. Tom Cable has NO such excuse. Watching this guy spin these bogus picks has made me lose every ounce of respect I had for the guy. He couldnt come off as a bigger buffoon if he tried. The rhetoric he spews is directly out of the Al Davis Rhetoric Handbook. Cable wont be the coach come 2011.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
LMN — Stop putting words in me mouth, you know that’s not fair. Oh, that’s right, a fair argument based on facts would mean you would have to admit a few positive changes in the team. Without backstroking to save face. You can’t do it.
I never said Kelly, Sands, or any one of our D-line was great. I said Kelly and Sands weren’t the problem last year — the edges were.
Now stop arguing longer — just to try and save one of your many faces.
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okay, fair enough, I remebered wrong, but still that D-line let the guys run right through the middle, our teams biggest problem is stopping the run, and we picked a pass-rusher… woaw!
April 26th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Meyers was the first team All Big-Ten tight end this year. He was drafted primarily to be a blocker, but those that watch the Big Ten regularly seem to think that he was underutilized as a pass-catcher at Iowa and could contribute in that area more if asked to.I like this pick.
I like the Louis Murphy pick, too. Contrary to what has been said in here, Al didn’t draft two WRs this year to get rid of Kiffin’s draft picks. If he drafted to get rid of “Kiffin’s” picks he would have had to get rid of a whole lot more than just two or three receivers that have never seen the field. Arman Shields may or may not be a factor, and neither Todd Watkins nor Jonathan Holland has contributed a thing since being drafted. We needed a number one receiver, so we drafted DHB. Murphy will most likely be an upgrade over at least two or three guys currently on the roster.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
dont care what none of you nerds think of the draft..Mike mitchell is a beast!! al davis is going to make you eat your words!
April 26th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
still wish we went
1st – raji
2nd – robiski (prob would have been available with bey still in mix)
the players i really wanted were chung and brace. both went to NE. I HATE NE.
must live with what we do and have to root and hope for the best. still cant see how we will improve from being ranked on the bottom against the run. maybe there are some Fa still out there we can get on the cheap. i heard that seattle actually cut their mlb after they drafted curry. he is now a FA. maybe worth looking at.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Al’s Saggy
What did you want out of this draft? You have to have a partner to trade down. There was no partner after the Sanchez trade! We were stuck there and had a choice of two Spread WRs from the big 12 (no defense allowed conference), Monroe who does not fit a ZBS and a DT that looks a lot like Kelly (who we have already paid big money. There were some LBs that would have been reaches and some DEs that were questionable – none of which known as run stoppers. What are you supposed to do????
In the second we got a sleeper pick and then picked up two lower round picks.
In the third we took a DE that I would agree was a reach and we had other options. I wish we could have traded back up for Gibert but it was not so….
In the fourth we took a value pick in Murphy and another sleeper pick with Norris who was awesome his last few games as a Beaver.
I am not going to dwell on later pics because they tend not to make the team anyways. However I am still not understanding how we did so bad. You can call this polishing a turd if you like but I just don’t see the arguement that this is the worst draft since the Seabass draft.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Kush, thanks for pointing this out.
#225 Kush Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
It’s amazing to me how people take a person’s words and twist and misrepresent them. Just watched the actual press conference of Cable commenting on the Mike Mitchell pick on raiders.com.
Cable DID NOT say that Mitchell is going to be as good as or is the next coming of Ronnie Lott and Jack Tatum.
He said that Mitchell has the SAME MENTALITY as Lott as Tatum. That is TRUE.
If you read Mitchell’s Q&A you see that Mitchell said those exact words out of HIS OWN MOUTH, that he studies those two legendary safeties and approaches the game with the same mentality that those two players did as he was taught to do by his father.
Yet Cable’s quote was stated by many people with a slant to ridicule Cable by implying that he said that a virtually unknown prospect like Mitchell was going to be the next coming of Tatum and Lott. Disgusting.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
If Mike Mitchell is such a beast, why didnt he light it up at Ohio ? Dude couldnt even get on the All MAC 3rd team but hes gonna step into the NFL and be a player? Yeah, ok.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
[...] NO QUARTER placed an observative post today on Louis Murphy Q&AHere’s a quick excerpt…the Raiders picked you after they took Heyward … I was going to go in the second round and the … Being able to stop going in one direction… [...]
April 26th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
i believe that al actually gave cable alot of input and actually let cable do most of the picking here. but, i think cables inexperience showed and maybe showed that he cant hang with the big boys. hopefully, he can coach and coach good. he is taking over as offense cord. he is taking alot of responsibility. the team will live or die with him more than russell. if he sucks, then hopefully our next coach will turn things around. i would love for al to just sit back and hire a parcells type gm to run things and turn things around.
April 26th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Cable said it clearly, “If you put DHB in the spread like Crabtree, he could have had 50 or so touchdowns.” when asked about the numbers Crab had on his resume. I didn’t watch a ton of film on DHB, but is Cable right or maybe off his meds?
http://www.raiders.com/Multimedia/MultimediaCenter.aspx?id=62554&categoryId=0
April 26th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
OK, LMN, just explain how much of this guy you know about, and what makes him a waste?? That’s a strong word when ratingn a stranger. How many games did he miss to injury? How many games did he miss last season?
LMN says:
I still dont like the guy, and he really has to prove me wrong, if he do, ill eat my words, but so far, he is a waste, I really really dont like that kid, I have accepted the rest, but Matt S is waste, and hopefully we will dump him so he dont take a roster spot form an more entitled player!
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It’s a very closed (and locked) mind to call someone a waste just because you dislike the pick. Get specific!
And…what is “an more entitled player?” Someone YOU think deserves it more because YOU like the guy?
Nihilist, narcissist, cynic, whatever you are today, you’ve embarrassed yourself repeatedly.
April 26th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Im out…
take care, its bed time around these parts, well it was some hours ago =)
Night!
April 26th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Teach, I like Murphy and Meyers, too.
It will be interesting to see what happens with Mitchell. I didn’t see him having to shed any blocks in his video clips. And while dropping the hammer is fun, there’s a reason they teach safeties to break down in the open field. Most NFL playmakers have the talent to juke a defender who comes in on an all-out straight-line sprint as seen in Mithchell’s videos. I assume the plan with Mitchell is to have him close and meet running backs in gaps where there is no place to go. Hopefully, he has strength to go with his size, because it will be harder to hold up against NFL talent than his I-AA video victims.
April 26th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Guess we’ll have to wait on Jerry’s discerning eye, at mini camp to see how these diamonds in the rough really look.
Dinner time, take care everyone.
April 26th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
The Bengals drafted DE Clinton McD in the 7th, I hare those Bungholes!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
daze..
oh a last post then..
we need to stop the run, and we picked a pass-rusher that has a broken leg, a bummed knee, that just not smart..
btw do you know what the difference is between a Nihilist, narcissist or cynic, is??
anyhow, its WAY worse to see everything with rosecollored glasses and have no natural criticism…
night
April 26th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
# 240 -
Monroe would have been perfect in our zone blocking system. He is incredibily nimble and quick, including the drop step they kept showing on the film.
April 26th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
We’d have won the Super Bowl last year if we only had Darrius Heyward Bey (sarcasm)
April 26th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Good night all. Back to the grindstone.
April 26th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
I know what they all are LMN — believe it or not we have pretty good schoolin’ here in the New World.
You’ve been all of those things and more today — way too many stances on the same position/s, and professional backtracking on your own words. We’ll see all of your faces tomorrow, man.
April 26th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
HAYESDAZE37, SEEM’S THERE ARE A LOT OF CLOSED AND LOCKED MIND’S IN HERE TODAY…
April 26th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
GRaider… Mitchell is definitely an interesting pick. My first thoughts after watching the YouTube clip that someone posted on here were “Well, he can hit like a truck, and he’s really fast and seems to take good angles. Can he TACKLE, because not everyone in the NFL is going down when you bash them and don’t wrap up, and what does the rest of his game look like?”
I like what I hear from him a lot; seems like a great kid. I hope his overall game is solid, too.
April 26th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
That’s all fine and dandy about Monroe, and probably true. But we have Henderson at that spot, and an even better Barnes.
April 26th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
HFD (Horrible Funkin Draft)
April 26th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I liked all the picks except Shaunessy and the OLB!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Craaabtree to the funkin Niners??????????????????????????/
April 26th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Perfect place for him to fall flat on his pompous azz face!
F anyone who blatantly didn’t want to be here. I just wish SF had passed on him to a degree, so he could have fell all the way back down to earth around 15 or 16.
April 26th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
Going in, I was personally wanting to trade down and draft WR then LB then S/DE in the order of best player available.
Except for DHB taking the spot of Hakeem Nicks in my wish-list, I have little to complain about. Maybe a different LB and DE, but the guys picked will fit the defense the new DC wants to run — that’s why they were taken.
This is an entirely different team than the one at the end of last year…different OC/asst, different DC and scheme…but just as importantly, a few of the drafted players actually need to work out right away to continue the swing.
April 26th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d80ffab4b&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
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crabtree and family was happy that raiders didnt draft them..I DONT WANT hIM WITH THAT ATTITUDE
April 26th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Okay so I had to let the draft end, and really myself to cool down before I started posting. I was more than angry with the crap the Raiders pulled this weekend. I just don’t see how you pick DHB with Raji, Monroe, Crabtree, Orakpo and Maclin on the board. To me this guy has Troy Williamson/Charles Rodgers written all over him. I hope I am wrong because I want my team to do well but you can only be so hopeful when the facts are blaring at you. How the hell do you take a WR at #7 with bad hands? Just don’t get it. Mitchell seems like he might be the best of this draft, I see him actually starting or playing significantly as a rookie. The rest of the picks though were straight garbage, Jasper Brinkley was on the board until deep in the 5th and we passed him up for projects and back up OLB’s. Jamon Meredith was available too at tackle and we passed him up for the same garbage players. I just don’t get it. This was a sad weekend for me as a Raider fan, I really felt we were turning a corner and Al had changed. Absolutely kills me that my son can’t see the dominent teams thats I grew up watching, instead he grows up to the crap of the last 6 years (he is 8 and loves football) but how do you try to convince him of the greatness of the Raiders when everyone else is beating the crap out of them every year.
April 26th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Number #7 pick, The Raiders come up with ZERO.
April 26th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
http://www.profootballhof.com/hof/member.jsp?player_id=133 – 44k -
44th pick out of villanova, who woulda thought
April 26th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Craaabtree to the funkin Niners??????????????????????????/
who cares about a primadonna who didnt want to be here anyway.. we dont need Moss 2.0
April 26th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
We finally committed to a draft of players with high characters, leadership skills, and high motors and you moron whine whine whine….get off the fking ship why dont you. I am drinking the coolaid and enjoying it.
Can’t wait for the missile to KTFO miss crabtree in the preseason. I have a feeling Singletary may call cable ahead of time and asks taht we lay off miss crabtree.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:00 am
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