Shaughnessy the pick, but was Johnson the target?
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, April 26th, 2009 at 7:41 am in Oakland Raiders.
Matt Shaughnessy, a defensive end from Wisconsin, is the Raiders’ latest against-the-grain selection at No. 71 overall.
Shaughnessy has overcome a knee injury early in his college career and a fibula fracture as a senior, but in between was a productive player.
I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest Tom Cable will say the Raiders got exactly who they wanted, but you wonder if they weren’t poised to select Georgia Tech defensive end Michael Johnson, a height-weight-speed specimen and combine warrior who has first-round ability and mid-round college production.
Cable will not speak with the media until all selections are completed, although it’s possible some players will be made player by conference call in the interim.
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April 26th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Matt Shaughnessy ran slower than expected at the NFL Combine, but because of the unusually slow times all around it may not have hurt his stock too much. He only logged a 4.91 second 40 yard dash time, but coaches will be more interested in his effort and consistency as a pass rusher. He should be drafted in the late third or early fourth round this year.
April 26th, 2009 at 7:44 am
another reach
April 26th, 2009 at 7:45 am
i thought Al promised Barnes not to draft Oline in the 1st.. not the entire draft???
April 26th, 2009 at 7:47 am
mega reach, a fragile guy, hurt more than most, not any good in stopping the run…
Woaw Al you did it again, totally wasted this years draft! at least under Kiffin we got solid guys, now we are back to the pre2007 situation… a lot of hoping, no sure payoff…
April 26th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Wanted Gilbert or Johnson but at least this guy is good against the run. Get Follett next!
April 26th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Cable was so right on Kwame Harris who isn’t excited that he feels the same way about satele and pears and barnes cause their previous teams couldn’t wait to get rid of them.
April 26th, 2009 at 7:51 am
# raiderrej Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Oliverthizz Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 7:29 am
People criticize DHBs lack of production at Maryland, but coming into the season, he was the nunber 2 rated WR in a lot of college preseason publications, including Phil Steeles. What people dont see is the fact that beside Maryland being a run first team and having a trash QB, DHB was often double, and yes, TRIPLE teamed.
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I really hope your right and Im wrong in this but DHB had 3 games where he didnt even touch the ball.
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True, but you look at the game against Clemson. 0 catches, doubled the whole game, still had a 76 yd TD run. Also, look at the BC game. DHB was doubled all game, opened up the passing game. Turner passed for 360 yards to other receivers because BC was focused on DHB heavy. Maryland was a big underdog that game and almost won. DHB was a big factor, even without catches.
April 26th, 2009 at 7:52 am
we lose on the field and off the field.. whats new?
April 26th, 2009 at 7:52 am
another terrible pick!
bad player, very inconsistent struggles vs the run and is way too slow to pass rush, pathetic in the E-W shrine, not a workout warrior.
every human who watched him playing at least once would give him ZERO chances to play in the NFL.
Moses 2.0
for once Al should have picked the fastest DE, Sidbury Jr., he drafted a STATUE!!!!!!!!!!
This draft will be remembered for decades as the worst ever seen.
April 26th, 2009 at 7:52 am
defense
April 26th, 2009 at 7:54 am
From The Sporting News:
Strengths:
Has great height and can add bulk to his frame. Shows the ability to play with good leverage. Has a good burst at the snap to attack the corner. Has good recognition on both the run and the pass. Is a playmaker and tough against the run.
Weaknesses:
Needs to get stronger and add bulk. Struggles against double teams and at times can be handled by athletic, big tight ends. Does not get to the quarterback regularly. Struggles to shoot the gap for interior pressure.
Bottom line:
Shaughnessy was a leader at Wisconsin since joining the program in 2005. He earned a starting job midway through his freshman year and never let it go. He has a great frame for an NFL franchise to really build and mold him. Shaughnessy has a chance to become a quality pro but will need more seasoning and will have to add weight, which is why he will drop some on draft boards.
April 26th, 2009 at 7:54 am
We can never get it right… last year we “F’d” up in freee agency and had an ok draft. now we do it right in Fa and just reach for eveey single pick…. this is sooo bad.. what a bad draft…
these guys could have been had in later rounds/ picks…
April 26th, 2009 at 7:55 am
The second day is just as bad as the first. If it wasn’t too cold outside, I’d go out instead of watching this. I guess I could play Madden or Call of Duty instead.
April 26th, 2009 at 7:55 am
MATT SHAUGHNESSY MEASURABLES:
Height: 6-5 Weight: 263
40-yard dash: 4.86
April 26th, 2009 at 7:58 am
I beleive the Raiders plan this offseason was to save money. Slow the F/A moves and draft player you can sign cheap. Players who didn’t think it was nessassary to hire an agent & were waiting for the rookie F/A period to do so. Maybe Al expects this is his last year and wants to do his best to make sure the Raiders have little or no chance of success when he is gone.
April 26th, 2009 at 7:58 am
Another report on Shaughnessy:
Strengths
Shaughnessy has a classic defensive end frame. He is tall and lean, with the ability to pack on more weight in the NFL. He appears to be a solid athlete that can consistently wreak havoc in the backfield. He is also a disciplined end that holds his ground well to impact the running game. Shaughnessy has shown the ability to hold up at the point of attack and shed blocks to make the tackle. He should be a solid all around end in the NFL.
Weaknesses
Shaughnessy has done a good job making plays, but he may not have the ability to be a dominant playmaker in the NFL. He is not a freak athlete with great closing speed, and he will need to get bigger in the NFL. Shaughnessy has also had some injury issues the past two years with his junior season ending early because of a torn ACL and a broken leg hindering his preparation for this season.
Future
Shaughnessy has a lot of potential at the next level but he may never be a gamebreaker. He is a solid player that will play with a lot of energy and be a solid run stopper and pass rusher, but not a cornerstone of a line. Good workouts could allow him to be selected in the second round, but he shouldn’t last long on day two if he falls there.
April 26th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Oliverthizz Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 7:51 am
# raiderrej Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Oliverthizz Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 7:29 am
People criticize DHBs lack of production at Maryland, but coming into the season, he was the nunber 2 rated WR in a lot of college preseason publications, including Phil Steeles. What people dont see is the fact that beside Maryland being a run first team and having a trash QB, DHB was often double, and yes, TRIPLE teamed.
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I really hope your right and Im wrong in this but DHB had 3 games where he didnt even touch the ball.
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True, but you look at the game against Clemson. 0 catches, doubled the whole game, still had a 76 yd TD run. Also, look at the BC game. DHB was doubled all game, opened up the passing game. Turner passed for 360 yards to other receivers because BC was focused on DHB heavy. Maryland was a big underdog that game and almost won. DHB was a big factor, even without catches.
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DHB couldnt be the only option in this “pro-style offense” but i dont know to much about his games but like i said, i hope im wrong.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Our needs going into this draft were WR, S, DE, and OT.
We draft according to need, and it’s the worst draft even b/c ESPN says so? Or because you didn’t know who they were?
Our last pick was a projected 3rd round pick, who we took in the 3rd round! What’s the problem?
April 26th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Tom Condon is not going to take less money at 7 for DHB.
And Mike Mitchell’s agent will get a little bit more than the guys drafted after him, for his client.
Cmon!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:02 am
i hope singletary eats up crabtree during training camp!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:02 am
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Matt Shaughnessy, DE, Wisconsin
Matt Shaughnessy is the type of player that every coach loves to have on their team. He’s not only the hardest worker, he’s also extremely talented. Shaughnessy has been incredibly productive during his career at Wisconsin, after taking over a starting role as a sophomore. He’s another one of the new breed of college defensive ends. Shaughnessy is small, quick, and hard for big tackles to block. He seems to always be in the backfield disrupting plays, having recorded 33.5 tackles for loss and 11.5 sacks in his first three seasons. Shaughnessy might need to add a little bulk to play every down in the NFL. He plays at 253 pounds right now, and if it doesn’t affect his speed, could stand to gain 15 to 20 pounds. He is very alert, and makes all the little plays that make a defense great. Shaughnessy is excellent at using his 6′6″ frame to bat balls down at the line of scrimmage. He broke up 9 pass attempts during his career when asked to drop into coverage. Shaughnessy had a slow season in 2008, finishing with only 40 tackles, 8 tackles for loss, and 4 sacks. The Badger senior is probably a third round prospect at this point in time. However, if Shaughnessy can have a productive off season and run a good time at the NFL Combine, he could go as high as the middle of the second round.
Matt Shaughnessy had a solid, but uneventful week at the East-West Shrine Game in January. He made few mistakes during practice, but failed to really wow any coaches either. More than anything, Shaughnessy showed off his non-stop motor to potential employers. During the weekend’s game, he recorded 4 tackles, a tackle for loss, and even batted down 2 passes at the line of scrimmage.
Matt Shaughnessy ran slower than expected at the NFL Combine, but because of the unusually slow times all around it may not have hurt his stock too much. He only logged a 4.91 second 40 yard dash time, but coaches will be more interested in his effort and consistency as a pass rusher. He should be drafted in the late third or early fourth round this year.
Last Updated Mar-20-2009 by Randall Weida
April 26th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Ghost Raider…
if you really want to save money you trade your picks for draft picks in next years draft, not picking guys 1-3 rounds before they should have been drafted…
April 26th, 2009 at 8:04 am
Good posts Marley!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:04 am
RaiderLEN and Bob Marley…
funny there isnt much written, in those reports, about his bad knees, how much he has been hurt…
April 26th, 2009 at 8:05 am
What a horrible pick. I can’t believe this draft. What the hell are they doing up there in the front officce? This is pathetic.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Houston took Caldwell, man we blew this one as well, AL seems like he wasnt proper prepared for this years draft…
April 26th, 2009 at 8:06 am
jhill – I’m glad your being optimistic, it’s just really hard for me right now. I’m trying to keep my mind open. I just hope we get a lot of the UDFA guys in camp after this draft. Maybe we can find something there this year.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:06 am
You no guys i have to believe that Cable is going for guys that want to work hard and not guys that are pima donas at there position . I think he is trying to build a “TEAM” not a ME player. Cable worked hard to get rid of cancers in the locker room last year so why bring in another one
April 26th, 2009 at 8:06 am
He’s had an injury history for sure.
I like the idea that He’s an effort player.
We’ll just have to see what happens.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Shaughnessy was projected as a second or third-rounder. We got him in the third. How was this a reach?
April 26th, 2009 at 8:08 am
Just 44 picks till our next two selections(#24 and #26 IN THE 4TH)
Unfortunately both Meredith and Sidbury will probably be gone.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:08 am
jhill Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Our needs going into this draft were WR, S, DE, and OT.
We draft according to need, and it’s the worst draft even b/c ESPN says so? Or because you didn’t know who they were?
Our last pick was a projected 3rd round pick, who we took in the 3rd round! What’s the problem?
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Jhill
I hope Cable or the position coach show film or what the analysts have said about them, I’m referring to Bey and Mitchell.
No person likes to see or hear how bad they are with all the tangibles listed as we have heard since their selection.
As a player this would have to motivate you and I hope they do show them what others are saying, motivation to prove a wrong is human reaction and it works wonders for anybody who has been in that situation.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:08 am
We need to go OT in the 4th
April 26th, 2009 at 8:09 am
it’s gonna be a long season if this continues!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:09 am
IT WAS A JOKE!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:09 am
I hate the bengals, I wanted M Johnson!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:10 am
South FLA Raider Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:08 am
We need to go OT in the 4th
did Al make a promise to draft OT in the 1st or the entire draft?
April 26th, 2009 at 8:11 am
Good morning R8.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:12 am
From PFT
Raiders Didn’t Reach For Mitchell?
Posted by Mike Florio on April 26, 2009, 10:45 a.m. EDT
The biggest shock of the first day of the draft, according to the folks who supposedly know the draft inside and out, is that the Raiders selected Ohio University safety Mike Mitchell with the 47th overall pick.
But, as it turns out, Mitchell wouldn’t have otherwise plunged to round seven.
According to the Chicago Tribune, the Bears had planned to take Mitchell two picks later.
Mitchell said Saturday that, at the start of round two, the Bears claimed they’d be drafting him at No. 49.
“When [the Bears] did that, I was like, ‘I’m going to be a Chicago Bear,’ ” Mitchell said. “That’s what I was thinking.”
And so, with Mitchell gone, the Bears traded out of the spot.
“Unfortunately the players we targeted at 49 did not
fall to us and we weren’t in a position that we were able to move up,” G.M. Jerry Angelo said.
So take heart, Raiders fans. Your front office doesn’t consist of idiots.
Unless Angelo is an idiot, too.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:12 am
You no what kills me on this board is NOT ONE OF YOU GUYS IS A FING NFL SCOUT
April 26th, 2009 at 8:13 am
TT,
Maybe Kropog will be available!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:14 am
LMN,
DHB was a first round prospect. He offered things that Crabtree and Maclin didn’t offer the team. F what everyone else is saying we should have done. Crabtree and Maclin and their bubble screens would have taken a year or two with us to develop. DHB and his 4.23 at 6′2, 210 translates NOW. For what we need him to do, that is. Let’s see DCs leave him on an island. He’ll go against Nnamdi in practice, like he WANTS to do, and be ready for week one against SD. I’m not looking for him to have 10 catches a game. I’m looking for him to keep that safety deep and away from Miller, or from supporting the run. And those 2 or 3 deep throws that will go to him when the S cheats.
Everyone is on board with the S so, I dunno what your issue is with that. He was clearly going to the Bears a few picks later, so again F Mayock and Kiper for not doing their homework.
Look at the scouting reports. This DE we just took could have been a 2nd rd pick, but no later than a 3rd. What’s the problem? I’d rather have this guy than Johnson from GT.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:14 am
TOP OF THE MORNING RAIDER O
April 26th, 2009 at 8:15 am
r8rpaver Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:12 am
You no what kills me on this board is NOT ONE OF YOU GUYS IS A FING NFL SCOUT
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R8
That also goes for the NFLN guys as well as ESPN hot shots, so let’s play it out and in two to three years we’ll find out how this draft went.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:17 am
JHILL post 42 very well said BROTHER f the haters
April 26th, 2009 at 8:17 am
nice find RaiderLen
April 26th, 2009 at 8:17 am
These are the kind of quotes you post in your locker:
Draftace.com on Darrius Heyward-Bey
This was the 6th draft I’ve covered here on DraftAce and this is hands down the worst first-round pick I’ve seen. Al Davis is in love with speed and no one has more of it than Heyward-Bey. I knew he fit the Raiders profile, but I just couldn’t believe they’d make the selection until it happend. I’m still stunned.
Grade: F
Draftace.com on Mike Mitchell
This pick was so off the board that I didn’t even have a picture prepared for Mitchell. That’s really all you need to know about this pick… hands down the worst selection I’ve seen in the six years I’ve been covering the draft on this site.
Make sure these guys read this stuff. We all know these quotes are directed at Al davis but when you show these kind of quotes to the players, that is some ammunition you’re giving them.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Well, at least it wasn’t Michael Johnson. Maybe this guy actually has a chance to not suck.
I doubt it, but maybe.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:18 am
raiderrej Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:10 am
South FLA Raider Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:08 am
We need to go OT in the 4th
did Al make a promise to draft OT in the 1st or the entire draft?
Maybe Al can talk Tony Mandarich out of retirement LOL!!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:19 am
if youre watching BSPN, NE is making a killing!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:19 am
TT
Comment #47 I agree and don’t let them forget who selected them and why they were chosen.
“he who laughs first laughs last”
April 26th, 2009 at 8:19 am
I wonder if the Raiders will try to combine their 2 4th round picks to move up.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:19 am
I want guys that want to play for the raiders…and i want a coach that wants to coach for the raiders…you get more out of people when they are doing something they want to then if they dont…
April 26th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Good Morning Dell, R8rpaver, O, Len, and Midwest!
F these unemplyed analysts. They are killing everyone except of course the Patriots, Jets, GB and the other media darling.
They were questioning Cincy’s draft this mng, LOL!
Do they have the structure to keep guys like Maulauga and Andre Smith in check. Same ole Cincy.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Al promised Barnes not to draft OL!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Same weight as Michael Johnson, two inches shorter. Better against the run than Johnson, and apparently tougher and and a harder worker. Non-stop motor. Projected as low as fourth round and as high as second. Can (and will) get bigger.
I don’t see a problem here.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:21 am
It really must be nice to be the Pats, when you draft a red flag player who tested positive for Marijuana and has had injury problems (granted I still like the player and think he’ll be good), all Ron Jaworski can say is “it’s the Pats, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt, they probably did their homework.” Wow…
April 26th, 2009 at 8:22 am
randy moss a mentor??? more like mental!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:22 am
the guys that were targeted by the raiders at OL are gone, but 2. Don’t be surprise if raiders draft a QB. We need a SAM, but I think they may go SS if the Lb in not there. I think the Raiders believe OL is ok. Confused. Perhaps a DT, not sure. Weird 250 lbs guys will be special teamersand backups.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Jhill, You ask whats the problem with the Raiders draft?
Oh let’s see, they drafted the 5th best WR @ 7 who would have gone near the mid 20’s.
They drafted about the 40th ranked S in the 2nd rnd who would have bean a reach in the 4th rnd.
Finally they draft a DE who was injured every year in college who lacks the spead to rush the passer and the strength to stop the run.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Damnit. Giants got Barden.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:23 am
barden is gone!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Rich Eissen… YESSSS,
Just called out the analysts regarding NE’s recent pick.
said wouldn’t we be killing this pick if wre made by the Raiders?
Classic. lol
April 26th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Good for Eisen. He just said about the Patriots’ latest pick; “If this was a Raiders pick we’d be harping on it. I guess since it’s the Patriots it’s ok. What’s the deal with that?”
April 26th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Jhill…
DHB, well if you really think it was a wise choice well fine for you, how can he help us, when Russel is on his back??
Mike Mitchell good choice just not in the 2nd round…
Matt S, he has a bum knee, his fibila is ruined, he is okay on pass, but very bad in run, again what is our biggest problem??? answer: stopping the run.. he would have been there with our late 4th round picks…
We should have picked Antoine Caldwell, we need protection for Russell, otherwise the DHB is ludicrous
April 26th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Everyone
STOP COMPARING THE PLAYERS WE’RE DRAFTING TO THE ONES WE DIDN’T DRAFT!!!
All that is going to do is drive you, and everyone else here crazy.
Just look at the players we’re picking and try to see how they’ll fit in with our team. What are they going to be doing for us? That’s all that matters.
As oopposed to discussing who we should have drafted, let’s look at who we still can draft…
April 26th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Giants drafted 2 stud WR that will be great players for years to come.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:25 am
I’m just glad we are drafting needs. Lets just hope they know what they are doing/
April 26th, 2009 at 8:25 am
nicks and barden!!! wow
April 26th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Jhill
Read last night last year’s comments on Branch and Scott by some, and will tell you some of the same reaction.
How many of you thought Trevor Scott would get more sacks than Chris Long and play in a limited role much better than expected. Some comments said here goes Al another project due to Scott playing as a TE before his position switch to DE.
Scott had 5 sacks and not many of you gave him a chance.
Let’s play it out and see, don’t let the non talking heads tell you how our draft sucked.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Good for Rich Eisen …
He just checked the whole panel on how they give the Patriots a pass for taking a player, but if the Raiders had just made that same pick, they would have been all over them.
Mayock stuttered his way out of that. Didn’t answer it at all. Even said Faulks and Davis’ answer about structure had nothing to do with the fact they could have got that player 2 or 3 rds later, and again they would have bashed the Raiders…. Silence from the panel.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Well I am going to reserve judgement until I see them play in a preseason game, but my initial reaction was not good even though I knew DHB was going to be the first pick (WalterFootball.com got it right
These are Al’s pets now so whether they can play or not, we’re stuck with em.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Love, LOVE all the excuse makers and rationalizers on this board. This is the worst drafts in Raider history and thats saying alot because the Raiders are the worst draft team in the NFL.
Embarrasment, the NFL needs to do something about this mess.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:26 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Mike Mitchell good choice just not in the 2nd round…
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2 picks later he would have been in Chicago and people would still be complaining about who the 2nd choice would have been. I’m happy with Mitchell.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:26 am
people wont want to play for the raiders because they do stuff like what they did yesterday
April 26th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Damn, Barden is gone. Oh well, we got the fastest WR in the history of the NFL, according to AL anyway. I hope we go OT,ILB, DT in the 4th. In that order. I like Jean-Francois from LSU
April 26th, 2009 at 8:27 am
I bet half the lions fan didnt want Safford and are complaining…
April 26th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Big run one WRs, Giants got two really good WRs, one of the best LBs and one of the best LTs in the draft. They’re having an awesome draft relatively under the radar.
Our draft has gone from being under the radar to being under a microscope, and I like it. It’s motivation if nothing else.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:29 am
i think its so funny how everyone is so pissed off over this draft.. LOL. like they could just waive a magic wand and find a trade partner..
do you even realize that once Sanchez went off the board.. the Raiders had NO leverage to trade down to the middle teens? do you even realize the price a team would have to pay to move up that far? or even trade down a few times? was there really anyone left in the top 10 that a team would want to pay that kinda price to jump up that far?
im just hella glad we didnt take the prima donna Crabtree who didnt want to be here in the first place.. or waiste a pick on a OT..
April 26th, 2009 at 8:29 am
maybe he was a one-round reach but this draft class is really weak – there were no DT’s left to play nose tackle for us and nobody really slipped except for johnson who gave no effort 90% of his plays -
I’d rather have a high-motor leader that has an opportunity to bulk up so we know we’re going to get the best out of him than a physical freak who will probably be out of the league in a few years. we’ve got a couple 4th rounders, hopefully we can find a OG that fits our scheme to back up Gallery and/or push Carlisle, and steal Brinkley or find a pure SLB and keep morrison in the middle – one of the multiple knocks on Brinkley is that he’s not football smart so he should be an ILB in a 3-4, not a 4-3 MLB – At least we are addressing our needs – matt shaughnessy (had to cut and paste that one), if healthy, could be a good starter.
So WR and safety were two glaring needs, a DE that could stop the run was another one, granted shaughnessy needs to imporve but he has the frame and motivation to do it, so we need a SLB (or MLB and move morrison), OG, and a NT. Maybe AL can engineer a trade for a decent NT with one of our remaining picks, but we can definetly get a decent linebacker in round 4 and we can roll the dice with the rest of the picks. Not a good draft in terms of value, but we’re filling positions of need at least -
April 26th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Exactly TT and Dell …
Cmon LMN, roll with us. No negativity.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Gruden is actually pretty good on NFLN. He should replace Madden on MNF.
I agree TT let these guys get on the field and see what we have.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Good pick by the the Vikes
April 26th, 2009 at 8:29 am
LMN… stick to soccer, bro. You have no idea what you’re taliking about.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Matt Shaughnessy is a good player, that’s a pick that people shouldn’t be complaining about.
I want(ed) Meredith (and Sidbury, and Robinson, and Brinkley, and Jean-Francois) but we got good player.
Let’s hope we get some of the players we’re hoping for, but more than anything, let’s lets hope we get some more linemen.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Anyone watching nfl network just see the main announcer guy with the very short hair, put the rest of the guys on blast (including mike mayock) when the patriots chose the receiver from north carolina? He said that if this was the raiders, wouldn’t we be blasting them for taking a player early, but because this was the patriots we give them a pass, some leeway.
Marshall replied that they have structure in the organization, in the head coach, in the community (I don’t know how community has anything to do with the actual team?).
Mayock didn’t really know what to say and replied with a total bs statement.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:31 am
i like how eisen just checked mayock on the pats reaching for tate
April 26th, 2009 at 8:31 am
LOL people saying we need to draft a reciever to stretch the field LOL.. well you got your wish LOL..
and i am also ok with the Mitchell pick..
April 26th, 2009 at 8:31 am
DT, Corey Irvin will be a gem. Can be had in the 4th
April 26th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Pat Turner is going to surprise a lot of people by becoming a good NFL starter.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:32 am
The Giants are killing it in a weak draft. Amazing.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:32 am
LOL …
All those clowns who had Turner as an UDFA?
Let’s see if they bash Parcells!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:33 am
# GhostRaider Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Jhill, You ask whats the problem with the Raiders draft?
Oh let’s see, they drafted the 5th best WR @ 7 who would have gone near the mid 20’s.
They drafted about the 40th ranked S in the 2nd rnd who would have bean a reach in the 4th rnd.
Finally they draft a DE who was injured every year in college who lacks the spead to rush the passer and the strength to stop the run.
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GREAT POST.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Its real simple. NE has earned the right to make a pick like that. We have clearly NOT earned it so big deal Rich checked the panel…BFD the panel is right.
# jhill Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Good for Rich Eisen …
He just checked the whole panel on how they give the Patriots a pass for taking a player, but if the Raiders had just made that same pick, they would have been all over them.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:34 am
For all those who thought that there was no way that Al would draft a WR after his “presser” when he praised Chaz and JLH: don’t be so foolish.
Al would never tip his hand like that.
While all three of these guys seems like a little bit of a stretch, they are all hard-working, high character guys, at least.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:34 am
#92
Again Parcells gets the benefit of the doubt. AL does not.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:34 am
15yearsold15yearfan Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:26 am
people wont want to play for the raiders because they do stuff like what they did yesterday
======================================================= Look at first i thought DHB was a bad pick also but…look at some tape on the guy he goes over the middle to make caughtes in traffic,he comes back on the ball really well he gets good seperation off the line fights hard for YAC good blocker on run plays…and we do run..so im happy about what he will bring to the TEAM
April 26th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Bottom line… NONE of you have EVER seen Mitchell play. EVER! Youtube is no way to scout a guy and anyone who uses it as reason to like a guy is a MORON.
” I like the Mitchell pick”. LOL!!!!!!!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:35 am
My vote so far for best draft goes to Cincy. Sick.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Obviously the best offensive line coach in football, Tom Cable, sees nothing wrong with our O-line as it stands. Not a position of need in his opinion. Gotta go with him at this stage, he knows a helluva of lot more about that stuff than all of us combined.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Why SHOULD al davis get the benefit of the doubt? MY GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:36 am
WTF??? Did you see the guys from NFLN kissing bill B’s A$$ fit a bad pick. So sad.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:37 am
#98
Translation- Cable uses Youtube.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Silver and Black draft love coming up next on NFL Network.
I think even Eisen is tired of the anti-Raider BS on the panel. The only one not slamming us is Gruden.
Maybe Al called the commish.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Who was the one who stuck with and hyped up Kwame Harris? Oh yeah, Tom Cable. Keep em coming
April 26th, 2009 at 8:37 am
# jhill Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Exactly TT and Dell …
Cmon LMN, roll with us. No negativity.
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Bwahahaha, oh you must have tons of rosecollered glasses, “ohhhh no – negativity” well its due
April 26th, 2009 at 8:38 am
sparrows72 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:33 am
# GhostRaider Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Jhill, You ask whats the problem with the Raiders draft?
Oh let’s see, they drafted the 5th best WR @ 7 who would have gone near the mid 20’s.
They drafted about the 40th ranked S in the 2nd rnd who would have bean a reach in the 4th rnd.
Finally they draft a DE who was injured every year in college who lacks the spead to rush the passer and the strength to stop the run.
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GREAT POST.
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You guys are certainly entitled to your opinion, as is Mista and all the other disgruntled fans. To each his own.
Sorry, I just disagree. DHB would have been good at 17? well sorry no one wanted to trade with us.
The Bears we’re going to take Mitchell 2 picks later, and the panel is right?
These guys are all busts before they take the field b/c you say so?
Like I said, your entitled to your opinion, but I disagree. It’s cool though!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Eisen is a closet Raider fan? Who knew?
April 26th, 2009 at 8:38 am
South FLA Raider Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:35 am
My vote so far for best draft goes to Cincy. Sick.
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No way. If those 3 get drafted by a stable franchise, like an Indy, Pitt or NE, than I would agree.
All three of those guys are loafers with questionable work-ethics and between the ears issues. Since when is Cincy a good place for those types of players?
April 26th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Maybe Al uses his overhead projector for the draft LOL!!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:39 am
# edward teach Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:29 am
LMN… stick to soccer, bro. You have no idea what you’re taliking about.
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thats just pathetic… “AL does everything right”
well why do we every year help Patsies more than our own team?
April 26th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Eissen Just made Mayock come correct on Mitchell.
Haha
April 26th, 2009 at 8:39 am
# GhostRaider Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Jhill, You ask whats the problem with the Raiders draft?
Oh let’s see, they drafted the 5th best WR @ 7 who would have gone near the mid 20’s.
They drafted about the 40th ranked S in the 2nd rnd who would have bean a reach in the 4th rnd.
======================================================= Ranked by WHO maycock,kipper,mcshay……who in the F do they play for???????????????????
April 26th, 2009 at 8:40 am
hopefully crabtree is the next rashaun woods
April 26th, 2009 at 8:40 am
A good realistic option in the 4th who just seems like a Raider pick is Ricky Jean-Francois.
If we get Jean-Francois and/or Brinkley than I’ll be very happy today. Hopefully Sidbury and Duke Robnson keep falling too.
At some point we’ll have to trade up for Meredith or Robinson. These are late 1st/early 2nd round offensive linemen. These are possible day 1 starting offensive linemen still on the board.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:40 am
JHill,
You ACTUALLY think this draft is going well?
April 26th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Rich Eisen is on the Raider payroll today!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Morning Jhill.
I’m so sick of the Media, and our poor fans that listen to them.
They praise the pats for reaching, but kill us fir doing it.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Rose colored glasses are never a bad thing, unless you’re color blind…
April 26th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Dude..
Jhill and Teach thinks its the best draft ever, just as good as the 2006, LOL
April 26th, 2009 at 8:42 am
eisen keeps checking mayock this is getting funny
April 26th, 2009 at 8:42 am
we can still get Brinkley and Gerald Cadogan or Tony Kropog possibly Ricky Jean francois in the 5th
April 26th, 2009 at 8:42 am
does anyone know what there talking about on nfln my internet is bugging out
April 26th, 2009 at 8:43 am
look up rashaun woods lets hope thats crabtree
April 26th, 2009 at 8:43 am
I think Bill Parcells is not having the best off-season.
He overpays for Jake Grove, Pat White is going to be a huge flop and out of the league in a few years, and the next time USC produces a good NFL WR will be the first time since Keyshawn.
Even the best have off years I guess.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Last time I checked New England drafts well every draft so of course everyone is gonna give them the benfit of the doubt but when you constantly draft bust in the first rd washington,buchanon,gallery,huff,harris,gibson,brayton the jury is still out on dmac & j-russ and they look good but other than nhamdi that is 1 stud in the 1rd in how many drafts.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:44 am
How could any sane, rational person disagree with what Mayock just said? He is 100% right. The Raiders collect track stars and DO NOT have the ability to coach them up and make players out of them.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Rose colored glasses are great if you’re too stupid to know what’s going on either way. For someone with half a brain, though, it’s kinda sad.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:44 am
# severeraider Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:42 am
we can still get Brinkley and Gerald Cadogan or Tony Kropog possibly Ricky Jean francois in the 5th
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im with you on the Brinkley and Krapog deal, and then DT Dorell scott
April 26th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Two picks coming up in just 34 picks.
We’ll basically have back-to-back picks. It will be excitng to break down those two picks at the same time. Let’s hope at least one of them is an offensive lineman.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:45 am
# Crow Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Rose colored glasses are great if you’re too stupid to know what’s going on either way. For someone with half a brain, though, it’s kinda sad.
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absolutely!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Any chance we take a FB this year sine O’Neal is coming off surgery?
April 26th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Jhill,
I like this draft too, not a lot but I like it.
I love the M Mitchell pick, and I like the DHB pick but not at 7th.
I feel we could have traded down 5 or more spots and still got DHB.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Jerry get on the ‘puter there is a developing story lol
and this guy is the reason
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYH2X2GNSr8
April 26th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Vegas,
Do you even think before you type? What has Parcells do for the Doplhins since hes been there? But yeah, question him
April 26th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Rose colored glasses are a good thing, as long as you know you’re wearing them…
…and I’ll tell you, it’s a sunny day at Disneyland today. (Which actually seems like a good plan for next weekend, especially after today…haha…I’m crying inside…)
Time to put the magic glasses back on and pray for some linemen.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:47 am
I don’t know if you noticed, but a few players from Wisconsinwerefeaftedhigh in the 3rd!!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:47 am
RaiderO,
What makes you like the Mitchell pick?
April 26th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Dude Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Vegas,
Do you even think before you type? What has Parcells do for the Doplhins since hes been there? But yeah, question him
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You think before you type? I don’t know what Parcells has “do” since he has been there, but Grove was overpaid and I don’t see the transition of Pat White to the NFL.
Again, even the best have off-years.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Why do you guys torcher yourselves? Why put yourselves through the misery if you are so disgusted with it? It’s early on a Sunday mng, plenty of things to do, LOL!
Why are you here?
Are you trying to bring us down with you in the classic misery loves company way?
We drafted according to need. Consensus needs. WR, S, DE, OT are our needs. Other than not getting the player YOU wanted at those needs, again you need to ask yourself what the problem is. Maybe you need to change from ESPN to NFL Network, who Mayock works for an personally apologized to the Raiders for basically being uninformed. LMFAO!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:50 am
they should of traded down and got dhb plus extra pick.in two years the raiders will have mitchell 4.32 and branch 4.31 at fs,ss starting and knowone on espn will say they made a mistake.now can we get some dt`s.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:50 am
if you are going to show a youtube clip of Mike Mithcell its this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KF2-_OXoA
still the Matt S pick will kill us, he will be hurt more than Sam Williams and we need to kill the run not the pass…
DHB, I can accept it, but still Al seems very unprepared for this years Draft
April 26th, 2009 at 8:51 am
If the Bears were truly going to take Mitchell, seems fairly legitimate, than they played the Mitchell selection pretty well.
The question becomes, were the Raiders and Bears out of their mind to select this guy so high? Time will tell.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:51 am
What have maycock, kiper, or mcshay ever won? What team ever paid them for their evaluations? The answer to 1st question, NOTHING. The answer to 2nd question, NONE.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:51 am
I love the players we’re getting.
Not as much as I love some of the players we didn’t get, but thinking about that isn’t going to do anything but make me unhappy.
…and, since we’re getting good players who I’m excited about and who fill needs, I’m going to be happy…
…so deal with, or don’t, it’s your choice, the Raiders have made theirs and I’ve made mine…
April 26th, 2009 at 8:52 am
i think al just throws darts at whatever name he hits is who he picks.
But seriously,
we wont know how these picks pan out for 2-3 more yrs. but i must say that unless these guys become probowlers, we really reached. and we addressed no major needs. we will still be last against the run. and now we will lose 35-20 games instead of 35-10 games like we have been.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:52 am
trading down in the 2nd round and only get a 4th and 7th round pick is pathetic too, we should ahve gotten a 3rd round pick from the patsies…
April 26th, 2009 at 8:52 am
The Jags were trying to GIVE 8 away and couldn’t do it, so what makes you think we could’ve traded back a few spots at all?
And 18 other teams passed on Maclin, and 9 teams passed on the jackazz Crabtree!
April 26th, 2009 at 8:52 am
the mitchell pick wasnt the worst pick. if anything he’s gonna compete with huff,branch and eugene. but DHB ummm. imo DHB=troy williamson
April 26th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Some remarks from Mitchell…
“I remember being a young kid and watching, not NFL Network but ESPN classic, my dad and I would watch old films of Jack Tatum and Ronnie Lott and he’d say, that’s how you play football. So from a young age, I knew it was about hitting and being physical. I definitely model myself after those two individuals. I like to impose myself on other people. Obviously, I think I’m a good guy in coverage, I can get interceptions and return the ball when I can, but if there’s an opportunity, I usually take my shots, but if I get a shot to hit you, then I’m going to try and knock the person out.”
Interesting
April 26th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Pro Bowls?
How about the team winning?
April 26th, 2009 at 8:54 am
LMN… you’re always criticizing people for putting words in your mouth; I challenge you to find anything I’ve ever posted where I’ve said “Al is always right”, or “This is the best draft ever, just as good as 2006.”
You don’t know nearly as much about football as you think you do, and you’re a hypocrite for saying those things about me.
My take on this draft so far, for the record, is this (and you can look at what I said about it yesterday, just so you know I’m not making this up on the fly):
Some of us may not like the players chosen, some may not like where they were chosen. It is my view that the Raiders had a clear idea of who they wanted, and are sticking to the plan regardless of who else is on the board when they pick. I don’t have access to all the information they do, so I am not in a position to judge the players they’ve chosen and how they fit in the teams’ future plans. What I do like is that there is clearly a plan and the needs we have are being addressed. I don’t know how these players will perform. Nobody does. We have passed on some bigger names and some people with bigger resumes, but at this point that doesn’t mean squat.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:54 am
there are alot of run stoppers that are not fast or “in shape”. just stuff the hole! quit whining
April 26th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Rashaun Woods finished his college career at Oklahoma State University with 293 receptions, 4,414 yards and 42 touchdowns – all Big 12 records. He became the eighth player in NCAA Division 1-A annals to gain over 1,000 yards receiving in a season three times in a career. Only Troy Edwards of Louisiana Tech (50, 1996-98), Darius Watts of Marshall University (47, 2000-03), Aaron Turner of the University of the Pacific (43, 1989-92) had more touchdown catches in NCAA history. Only Taylor Stubblefield of Purdue University (316, 2001-2004), Arnold Jackson of Louisville University (300, 1997-2000), Trevor Insley of the University of Nevada (298, 1996-99) and Geoff Noisy of Nevada (295, 1995-98) had more receptions in Division 1-A annals. Only Insley (5,005) and Marcus Harris of the University of Wyoming (4,518, 1993-95) had more yards receiving in a career in NCAA history. Woods also holds the NCAA single-game record for most touchdown receptions in a game (7 against Southern Methodist University in 2003) and most touchdown receptions in a half (5 in the first half of the same SMU game). All seven TDs were thrown by current Chicago White Sox infielder Josh Fields.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:55 am
jhill
no other team had a need at wr. thats why they passed on maclin and crabtree. we could have traded with jets and only taken a 1st and 2nd and still got bey. and jets still could have gotten sanchez and kept the players that they traded to clevland.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:55 am
I cant wait for Eddie Royal to come across the middle and meet Mitchell
April 26th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Woods had 7 catches for 160 yards and 1 touchdown in his rookie season (2004) and spent the 2005 season on injured reserve with torn ligaments in his thumb. In April 2006, he was traded to the San Diego Chargers for cornerback Sammy Davis. In August 2006, he was cut from the San Diego Chargers. On August 3rd 2006 he was claimed off waivers by the Denver Broncos but failed his physical and was released. In Dec. of 2006 he worked out with the Minnesota Vikings
April 26th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Dude,
I like him a lot.
He is smart and mature.
Great size and speed.
Student of the game
Head hunter
Team leader
Good angles
Can play the run and pass
I think he was the best SS in this draft. IMHO
April 26th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Rich Eisen called out the panel, and is no Raider lover himself. The question begs just because Mayock has no info on Mitchell does not make him a reach or stretch at any spot in the draft.
The panel has information but does’nt have the scouting service teams have to scan the nation looking for gems in hidden places.
Mitchell comes outta high School and matures into a big time athlete and has the skills teams need.
Reading about most players in better conferences who receive all the publicity does not make them a better player than others.
Some of you wanted the WR from Cal Poly, the school is no football factory, yet he could be classified as a reach also. He again matured and developed into a player worth taking a deeper look at, in fact he had to go to San Jose State pro day since there was none at Cal Poly.
April 26th, 2009 at 8:57 am
How the FUNK would you pretend to know that about Mitchell?
April 26th, 2009 at 8:58 am
This years draft will be called “Shock and Aw”.
It seems Raiders didn’t do their homework, almost like a “New Coach” is making all the picks.
DO you think Al let Cable run the Draft?
April 26th, 2009 at 8:59 am
teach…
fair enough, im not saying you said those things, im saying that is your attitude, you eat anything raw, as long its from the pathetic Alameda crew…
and its just as fair, as you pathetic “stay to soccer”
I was th first here who said Robiskie would be picked in the 2nd round (in february) when all mocks had him in 4th… same as Eddie Royal last season.. so its a pathetic comeback just because I say something you dont like about the players Al has chosen..
April 26th, 2009 at 8:59 am
i think we are getting football players. crabtree is a good player but i really think his #s are inflated due to the fact he was in a run n shoot off. bey is better than what we got and who knows how things will go down. lots of players are better than what the “experts” rank then. do you really think they nailed tom bradys talant? HE!! no they didnt. thaey are desk jockeys that were water boys FOR the varsity team.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:00 am
hopefully crabtree=rashaun woods
April 26th, 2009 at 9:00 am
R8,
Hell Ya, or have him put a hit on LT.
Head hunter, I love it.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:00 am
NJ,
You can’t say that for sure. Washington was trying just as hard to get Sanchez. The Jets has a deal in place with the Jags at 8, so for them to move all the way up to 5, you have to think that Washington was trying to deal with us.
Who knows WTF was going on, and I’m not going to drive myself crazy thinking about it.
You can check the archives on me, I was on the DHB train right after the combine. I got bashed for it then, so I can take the heat now. He gives us what we didn’t have before instead of duplicating Walker and JLH (to a degree).
April 26th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Dude,
If you don’t like the answer, maybe you shouldn’t be asking the question.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:01 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:52 am
trading down in the 2nd round and only get a 4th and 7th round pick is pathetic too, we should ahve gotten a 3rd round pick from the patsies…
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We only moved 7 spots and we got a 4 and a 7, what is wrong with you, it’s not like we traded out of the round plus we got mitchell who will be a stud.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:02 am
I just got to thinking about this…
This years receiving group should be (in no particular order):
1. Walker
2. Schillens
3. Heyward-Bey
4. Shields
5. Higgins
I’m not a fan of the DHB pick either, but any way you look at it, Heyward-Bey, Shields and even a moderately productive Walker are a vast improvement over Lelie, Holland and Watkins.
The most interesting thing about those 5 is that they could all conceivably go into training camp on equal footing with no one ranked above the other.
Who starts and who plays can really, truly be based on who works the hardest and produces the most – which is exactly what Cable claims he wants.
No prima donna’s, no one he’s being forced to play because of stature or salary (with DHB having only the slightest advantage on the latter – since non-QB #7 picks are usually expected to play early on.
In that backward sort of way, I like the DHB pick because he’ll fit right in to this group. Crabtree may have stood out and disrupted things for all the wrong reasons.
Either way, I’m going to be really anxious to watch the two WR’s career side by side on each end of the bay.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:03 am
I touted DHB for awhile on here, just never thought we would take him at #7. At least I would have rather have had him over Maclin.
How anyone can say WR wasn’t a pressing need is lost. WE HAD ONE OF THE LEAST PRODUCTIVE WR UNITS IN NFL HISTORY LAST YEAR.
The obvious response will be we can’t stop the run, which I agree. I expect the next few weeks to help address that.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:03 am
DHB will at the very least stretch the field which is what they were wanting, kinda hard for some of you guys to say that this is the worst draft in history when we haven’t even seen them play yet.
Just because Kiper said so? You guys listen to BSPN to much I think. Give them some credit until they play.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:03 am
15yearsold15yearfan Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:00 am
hopefully crabtree=rashaun woods
i agree with you but the funny thing is hoping another player is worse off then the player we have instead of hoping the best for our own pick
April 26th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Well Meredith (OT), Brinkley (ILB), and Hill (DT) are still there.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:04 am
don`t put any stock in these experts grading drafts.i remember the 49ers getting an a from all experts when they drafted j.j. stokes in the first round.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:04 am
By the way, Crab in a no class diva.
Did you see how be acted when we picked DHB?
No class Diva, I’m glad we didn’t pick him.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Raider O,
The answer is fine. Just curious HOW you came to these opinions. I would love to hear it.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Sam Admas, don’t count out Arman Shields if he’s healthy. Agree, much better than last year.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:05 am
weeks=picks.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Raiderjhawk Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:03 am
DHB will at the very least stretch the field which is what they were wanting, kinda hard for some of you guys to say that this is the worst draft in history when we haven’t even seen them play yet.
what will he do in B&R? or tampa2 when you cant read the safeties??? DHB has a better chance of being on a stretcher the stretching the field in the NFL
April 26th, 2009 at 9:06 am
I don’t believe in complaining, but I’m sure by the time I finish typing this, I’ll be a firm believer. I haven’t posted anything since the draft started because I’m really in shock. I’ve been following this blog since it’s Genesis, and from time to time, I’ll post. A lot of the fellas on here make me proud because they seem to know what they’re really talking about. And I can’t help but say it’s disheartening to know that the two big needs that most of us have been talking about for the past two months have not been addressed yet in the draft. I mean, what the f*ck Al? Cable kept talking about Cadillacs and by the time we get a OT, he’s going to be a Kia or a Daewoo and will have to overachieve his a$$ off. Does Al selfishly lust to say “I found that guy” that bad that he cares less if his faithful followers are pissed at him. I wish DBey and M&M the best, and I’m sure they’ll give their all, but dang Al. Is it too much to ask to draft someone who played at a high level consistently and hope they overachieve as much as you hope these so called ‘hidden gems’ do? Dbey could have been drafted at 40th. Hell, Maclin and Harvin didn’t even go ’till later in the round, so we could have easily traded back. The fact that we all remain optimistic just shows that we are all die hard lemmings for Al and will jump of the cliff with him. Hell, we already have. Is it wrong to wish Monroe or Raji were with us to jump too? F*ck!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:06 am
We already have JHL to stretch the field. We needed a possession receiver.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:07 am
I could care less how crabtree reacted to dhb getting drafted what i care is who catches more td this season.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Literally every single one of the mock drafts in this blog were better than what we actually did. I think that’s the most painful part about this.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:07 am
South FLA Raider Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Some remarks from Mitchell…
“I remember being a young kid and watching, not NFL Network but ESPN classic, my dad and I would watch old films of Jack Tatum and Ronnie Lott and he’d say, that’s how you play football. So from a young age, I knew it was about hitting and being physical. I definitely model myself after those two individuals. I like to impose myself on other people. Obviously, I think I’m a good guy in coverage, I can get interceptions and return the ball when I can, but if there’s an opportunity, I usually take my shots, but if I get a shot to hit you, then I’m going to try and knock the person out.”
Interesting
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How is he going to fit into the new NFL. He’ll get fined every time he hits a WR, TE, RB, QB. LMFAO
April 26th, 2009 at 9:08 am
You guys bring up and interesting black horse in our receiving corpse.
We haven’t seen Arman Shields yet. WE may have some pretty good WR depth this year.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Mel Kiper loved Rick Mirer, and our draft of Gallery and Grove.
I do like the fact that we drafted 3 hard-working, high character guys so far. Fits right into what Cable has been preaching of late.
Don’t discredit what going up against Nmamdi everyday will do for the progression of DHB. That is a huge plus that few teams can offer a WR.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Is Al dead yet?
April 26th, 2009 at 9:10 am
“Don’t discredit what going up against Nmamdi everyday will do for the progression of DHB. That is a huge plus that few teams can offer a WR.”
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How is practicing against Scrabble going to make DHB’s dropsies go away?
April 26th, 2009 at 9:10 am
I honestly would have prefered Maclin to DHB, but I didn’t want Crabtree simply because he didn’t want to be a Raider.
I like DHB though, and he was one of my favorite players in this class.
Do I think he was the best possible pick at #7?
Of course not!
Do I think he will be a #1 WR?
Of course!
Am I happy he’s a Raider?
Yes!
Does anything else matter?
No!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:10 am
if our line will hold up its going to be fun to watch J-Russ and DHB grow togeather….isnt that what we wanted..just think when these guys mature what we can have
April 26th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Can we trade away the rest of the picks like New England and Philly? It’s obvious we are clueless and haven’t did our homework.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:11 am
what will he do in B&R? or tampa2 when you cant read the safeties??? DHB has a better chance of being on a stretcher the stretching the field in the NFL
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Why do you think a 6′2 210 lb guy would have trouble against B&R? And what teams run a B&R that we should be looking out for? Certainly no one in our division.
Tampa 2? I can’t wait until we play against a Tampa 2 and they try and release DHB to a S, LOL!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:11 am
what are our next two picks?
April 26th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Again, Tom Cable is unquestioned as the best O-line coach in the NFL. If he likes our O-line in it’s current state, we have to roll with him. He knows way more about it than all of us combined. All that nonsense about the “Cadillacs” in the draft was just draft fodder.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Some more bits on Matt Shaugnessy:
“Talk about fighting through adversity, he suffered a broken leg in spring ball last year and had to deal with the death of his brother. He still had a nice season, but there’s a chance he could be far better now that he’s a year removed from the injury and the tragedy.”
“Lacks ideal measurables but makes up for it in toughness and motor, an underrated player.”
“He does a nice job at the point of attack and knows how to shed blocks vs. the run. But, he isn’t much of a pass rusher.”
“Shaugnessy is a rush end prospect with nice athletic ability. He has the ability to get pressure on third down.”
- The one thing I have noticed about Shaugnessy is that the scouting reports are all over the place on him: to some he plays the run well, others say he’s a liability there, some say he lacks athleticism and others claim that’s one of his best attributes, some say he’s not much of a pass-rusher while others claim he’s just a rush end.
I guess we’ll have to wait and see.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:12 am
any video on our last pick?
April 26th, 2009 at 9:12 am
LMN,
you’re annoying. I am starting to think that you truly are an unhappy person in your life. All you ever do is whine bro. If you love Kitten so much fck go to the Vols board and start posting on there.
You’re the morons who dont know jack about Mitchell. Me, RaiderO, and Bart know more about him than fcking Mayock. Speaking of which, Mayschyttock just got called out on national tv. He should learn to shut his mouth when he has not seen film on Mitchell.
LMN just remember to stfk the moment Mitchell decleats the Super Dolts! Mitchell is going to do for us what Merriamn does for SD and what Bob Sanders do for the Colts.
Now STFU please.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:12 am
I asked all week before the draft did anyone want dhb and no one jumped on that bandwagon so I don’t buy for a second you were all about dhb jhill but nice try.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Scrabble?
LOL! That’s pretty good!
Tommy, maybe you need to post the DHB footage again!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Raider O,
Still waiting for that answer….
JHill,
If KC or SD would have drafted DBH you would be screaming bust. 100%
April 26th, 2009 at 9:13 am
LMN… you were putting words in my mouth, and you know it. It wouldn’t bother me as much, but you are costantly complaining on here about the very same thing. It’s hypocritical, and you know that, too.
I disagree with more coming out of Alameda than you think. If you read my posts closely, however, you will see that rather than criticize them most of the time I try and understand what the thought process was and give my interpretation of it.
“Stick to soccer was unfair”, and I admit that, but I stand very firmly to my statement that you don’t know nearly as much about football as you think you do.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Some guy came in here about a few weeks back and posted a you tube link on M Mitchell.
I liked the kid a lot, I have friends in Ohio and they told me the kid can play and he has a lot fans in that state. I looked at some of his college games, not a lot due to him being from a small school. Ifound the OSU game and watched it. Also a few clips here and there but not a lot.
What I did see bro, was a guy helping his teamates where to line up= knows the scheme and the game/ also team leader.
When be was in coverage, he took good angles.
Listen to all his interviews, he sounds mature.
And all can see how hard he hits.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Lawrence Sidbury
Jasper Brinkley
Jamon Meredith
Duke Robinson
These guys are all STILL available at the start of the 4th. That’s insane! We need to get at least one of these guys.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Crow says:
How is practicing against Scrabble going to make DHB’s dropsies go away?
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One thing is for sure – if he’s lining up against Nnamdi in camp, we’ll get to see his true colors pretty fast. It’s going to take a lot of dedication on his part.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Youtube?
Friends in Ohio?
Sigh……………..
April 26th, 2009 at 9:15 am
oungAmerican Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Literally every single one of the mock drafts in this blog were better than what we actually did. I think that’s the most painful part about this.
so sad but so true
i was thinking crabtree or Oline
April 26th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Crow Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:10 am
“Don’t discredit what going up against Nmamdi everyday will do for the progression of DHB. That is a huge plus that few teams can offer a WR.”
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How is practicing against Scrabble going to make DHB’s dropsies go away?
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It will teach him how to work hard. John Madden once said “You can teach a guy how to catch better, but you can’t teach someone how to run faster”.
DHB may never have the best hands in the NFL. Nobody drops more passes than TO and Braylon and they are Pro-Bowlers. I have hope, just wish they would have played the draft game a little better and traded down a few spots.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:15 am
The one good thing I must say about this disaster that the Raiders are calling their draft is this, This Mitchell kid can lay some funkin WOOD! I know youtube isn’t much to go on, but his video is VERY impressive. He should make a pretty good SS. The bad thing about this pick was the embarresment factor. Al has clearly lost his fckn mind. Mel Kiper could hardly contain himself when we picked Mitchell. He scoffed and said that Mitchell would have been available in the 5th round. I can’t believe our 3rd round pick either. We passed on Ramses Barden for some injury prone bum. The logic in this of course, is that we already got a reciever in round 1, but unfortunatley for us, Ramses Barden is about 50x better than DHB. I hate this draft. It is painful to watch, and frankly it’s humiliating to be a Raider fan right now.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:15 am
NoMoreFargas…I am not high on dhb. I’d rather have a DT or OT at that pick. But we will have to wait and see. Right now I can only picture DHB in a screen pass. He may scare teams if we start alternating screen passes between him and McFadden. they threathen to go all the way if there is an opening.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Bob…
so thats 2 bad knees a broken leg, and some shoulder problems?
woaw thats even worse than a Sam Williams
April 26th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Dude,
I haven’t had much sleep the last few days, so pls forgive me for the spelling.
I also can’t type fast enough today. lol
April 26th, 2009 at 9:16 am
How about this for a pre-season game: “Hill dropps back, rolls out, looks for Crabtree across the middle, OHH!!What a hit by Mitchell on Crabtree!!!! I think he’s out!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:16 am
I like Mike Mitchell specifically because of the angles he takes. That’s one thing we’ve missed in our safety play. Neither Huff nor Eugene can pick angles of pursuit to save their lives.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Guys I want
124/126 – LT – Meredith (please be there)
LB – Brinkley, DT – Scott, Baker or Hill
April 26th, 2009 at 9:17 am
South FLA…
Exactly – Shields is the wild card in all of this. IIRC, scouting reports last year said he had the size, the hands, and the will to work the slot and mix it up in the middle of the field. In other words, a bigger Curry with better hands.
Only the Raiders really know what they’ve got in this guy right now. We’re only guessing. A lot of people really liked his tools out of the draft, and even hobbling around on a not-full healed knee, he still nearly made the roster, was the last cut, then was hidden on IR all season. Something tells me the Raiders see something in him. He’s the guy I’m most interested in seeing how he performs in TC.
But it’s ironic that on that opening Monday Night, we might see DHB split and sharing time with Walker, with Shields in the slot.
It would be almost funny to see Higgins and Schillens – the two guys Davis touted on at the end of last season – as the #4 and 5 receivers in this group.
Not saying it’s likely, but if it does happen, it will speak volumes to how much better this group is than the group that began last season, or even the group that ended last season.
As messed up as Walker was in both mind and body last season, and with Shields hurt, it’s almost as if we are bringing in three new WR’s this year – which we desperately needed.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Voldemort, since when do raider fans give a schytt about kiper. Mayock just admitted he was wrong on national tv because the Bears would draft him 2 spots behind us. The chicago Tribune even wrote that piece too.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:17 am
We have 2 4ths don’t we?
April 26th, 2009 at 9:18 am
hopefully dhb is gonna be a beast and crabtree=rashaun woods
April 26th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Yes, #24 and #26 in the 4th!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Finally some people on here backing our team and making some sense.
The bottom line is it is awful easy to sit here now and say these guys will suck but when it hits the fan and Mitchell is knocking heads off and DHB is catching 70 yard td passes from Russell just remember that you guys were in here crying.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Dude,
You don’t like my answes, but you keep asking me questions?
You know what Einstein’s definition of insanity was, ya???
April 26th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Gotta give the fella on this blog their due they where all over the Mitchell pick knew everthing about him long before yesterday , way to go with the inside info fellas.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:20 am
As fas as DHB…
He was constantly double teamed in every game for the past 2 seasons, Maryland didn’t have good QB play and teams game-planned to prevent DHB from beating them because they didn’t really have other weapons.
That’s why he didn’t have great numbers, but he helped open up the running game for Maryland which is exactly where he shold help the Raiders, at first.
Crabtree and Maclin didn’t have to face double teams, you simply can’t put 2 guys on a single player when facing a spread offense because you have 4 or 5 players running routes, double one and someone else will run free.
That’s where the whole “pro-style” offense argument kicks in, how would Crabtree and Maclin have fared playing in Maryland facing constant double teams with a mediocre QB?.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Here’s some good footage of DHB starting around 5:28
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltm5OV8rTn0&feature=PlayList&p=8283C0F1FAFF7880&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=9
April 26th, 2009 at 9:21 am
guys i want!!!
oh wait that sounds gay….LOL
April 26th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Purple Rain!!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Looking back the past few years at the WR spot, who would you more rather put faith in?
Past: Curry, Lelie, Holland, Watkins, Francis, Gabriel, Jett
Present: DHB, Shields, JLH, Chaz
April 26th, 2009 at 9:22 am
hill Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:11 am
what will he do in B&R? or tampa2 when you cant read the safeties??? DHB has a better chance of being on a stretcher the stretching the field in the NFL
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Why do you think a 6′2 210 lb guy would have trouble against B&R? And what teams run a B&R that we should be looking out for? Certainly no one in our division.
Tampa 2? I can’t wait until we play against a Tampa 2 and they try and release DHB to a S, LOL!
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1) im sure defenses will adjust to B&R once he’s on the field
2) do you really think he’s gonna split the field?
April 26th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Mayock just admitted he was wrong on national tv because the Bears would draft him 2 spots behind us. The chicago Tribune even wrote that piece too.
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As a Chicagoan, I can tell you the last person we want to try to beat to a pick is Jerry Angelo.
The Mitchell pick could be much worse. But we could have gotten Loadholt, Brace, Michael Johnson, ANYONE else who fills a need, and still gotten a top-shelf safety like Rashad Johnson or David Bruton in the 3rd round.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Jas…per!Jas..per!Jas…per!!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Bob Marley
As fas as DHB…
One thing you left out was all of his dropped passes last year.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:23 am
STOP with all the youtube… please
April 26th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Teams may mock the DHB pick, and no doubt he was a reach at #7.
Also, no doubt they will hold their breath when he has the ball in the open-field or he is going up for a jump ball in the end zone over there 5′10 CB.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:24 am
# jhill Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Scrabble?
LOL! That’s pretty good!
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Haven’t heard that one? I thought that had spread all over. Somebody on one of the Raider boards I used to post at dubbed him that after he was picked. Nobody could spell or pronounce his name. Had to call him something.
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# YoungAmerican Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:14 am
One thing is for sure – if he’s lining up against Nnamdi in camp, we’ll get to see his true colors pretty fast. It’s going to take a lot of dedication on his part.
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Well, on the plus side, work ethic is one of DHB’s strong points.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:24 am
dammit, Scott Dorell went to Rams… I wanted him
April 26th, 2009 at 9:24 am
RaiderO,
Didnt notice your spelling error.
Dont mind your first answer.
How you came to that opinion is laughable.
Youtube, Friends in Ohio= Best SS in draft?? Shakn my head…..
April 26th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Got a feeling that Jasper will end up with the Cowboys though.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:25 am
# vegas raider Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Teams may mock the DHB pick, and no doubt he was a reach at #7.
Also, no doubt they will hold their breath when he has the ball in the open-field or he is going up for a jump ball in the end zone over there 5′10 CB.
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true if it wasnt for Russell laying on his back because he dont have a proper protection…
April 26th, 2009 at 9:26 am
No team in the NFL will try to pla B&R with Russell, McFadden and/or Bush, Miller, Higgins and/or Schiens, and DHB all on the field at once. There’s simply too much speed and too talented of underneath options to be aggressive on defense. This offense is much more dynamic now. McFadden being healthy now and a drastically improved OL will also help.
Stop making comparisons between prospects and just look at our team. When the season starts our team will be all that matters.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:27 am
That’s fine if you don’t believe I was on the DHB bandwagon after the combine Fargas. Like I really give a fugg! But like I said, feel free to check the archives. Plenty of people here to vouch for me!
Took heat for that and wanting TO!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:27 am
In all honesty, I think Crabtree has just as much boom or bust potential as Darrius Heyward-Bey.
The issue I have is that JaMarcus Russell needed a possession wideout he can trust in a bind. Right now he has two speedy vertical threats and a slot receiver, and Zach Miller still won’t have any more opportunities than he did last season if our O-line struggles again.
Again, Russell’s development should be priority number one. My biggest problem with this draft is that we didn’t really give him the right tools to help that development along.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Yeah Trojan, I bet teams are shaking int their boots over facing that lineup. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Everyone is making the wrong comparisons.
The only comparison that matters is the 2008 Raiders team vs. the 2009 Raiders team, and I doubt many of you would pick the 2008 team…
April 26th, 2009 at 9:28 am
YoungAmerican,
you dont think Safety is a need? You really dont think we should live with “i bounce off people” Eugene and Puff the magic do you?
April 26th, 2009 at 9:28 am
we might as well run a hail mary every pass play since all we have is speed
April 26th, 2009 at 9:28 am
cory chavis a nfl corner was on espn radio and said jlh schilens have sone upside but the raiders had nobody else at wr.he said dhb will scare d.c. in the begining but will have to hold on to the ball.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:28 am
# Tommy Trojan25 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Stop making comparisons between prospects and just look at our team. When the season starts our team will be all that matters.
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And when the season ends, they’ll be picking in the top 10 again.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:30 am
15yearsold15yearfan ,
don`t worry.let these guys play first before we bash them.still should of traded back and still got dhb.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:30 am
crabcake dont have a QB. neither one will get over 700yds this year. plus with his bum ankle he may be on IR by week 5.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Alisgod says:
YoungAmerican,
you dont think Safety is a need? You really dont think we should live with “i bounce off people” Eugene and Puff the magic do you?
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On the contrary. If you read my posts, you’ll see I criticize those players for those exact reasons.
Again, my issue is we had the opportunities for much better players at many other more crucial positions that would directly help Russell. Had we passed on Mitchell in the 2nd round, we could have taken Johnson or Bruton in the third. Both of those guys are exceptional talents and played in more competitive programs, even if they don’t have the YouTube fame Mitchell has.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:31 am
And when the season ends, they’ll be picking in the top 10 again.
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And IF that happens I’ll be here next year saying the same thing.
And regardless, I’ll probably be here next year sayingthe same thing, but I doubt we’ll be picking in the top 10.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Solid Draft so far…
Got Moss, Tatum and Long…Nice!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:32 am
La Milicia Negra
“Bob…so thats 2 bad knees a broken leg, and some shoulder problems?..”
Uhm, no, did you just make that up?.
He tore a ligament on one knee in 2006 as a freshman and missed the last 2 games (hasn’t missed one game since) he was healthy and played well as sopohomore season and junior, he broke his leg in spring in 2008 but didn’t miss any time.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:32 am
JUST BOMB-BEY BABY!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Well, there goes Luigs.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Cmon Dude,
You know I keep it real!
I don’t bash players in general, so matter what team they play for. They are all getting paid by the NFL so to say they suck is ridiculous.
DHB was a first round prospect, no matter who took him.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Those of you who are crying right now are choosing to cry.
I’m not going to spend any more time trying to cheer you up, I’m going to be excited about our team getting better today.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:33 am
im not really bashing them im just saying we should have dhb and schillens running alot of streaks because of their speed
April 26th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Dumbest team in America?
No.
Dumbest owner in America?
Yes. Crabtree is going to be a great player. HB is a waste of money.
But for some reason I can’t switch to another team. I am hooked.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:34 am
okay…
may i suggest we trade up and grab Jaspar Brinkley???
please???
April 26th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Crow, we don’t need a center, so all that means is the players we DO need are more likely to fall to us…so we can pass on them…
April 26th, 2009 at 9:34 am
# Tommy Trojan25 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Those of you who are crying right now are choosing to cry.
I’m not going to spend any more time trying to cheer you up, I’m going to be excited about our team getting better today.
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The team got better? What did I miss? Did Al kick over?
April 26th, 2009 at 9:35 am
good suggestion pete
April 26th, 2009 at 9:35 am
i really hope dhb is great and crabtree=rashaun woods but i dont know i guess ill just have to wait till the season starts
April 26th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Well at the very least, the “I’m going to burn all my Raiders gear!” crowd have f*cked off.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:36 am
My bad if you did jhill im venting just don’t know about how dominant a guy who caught 13td in college will be some amazing wr but I was with you on TO what did TO cost this year a whole lot less than dhb will get and compare their numbers this year.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Bob
Probably unfair to you and if you choose not to I understand.
If you care to grade our first three rounds and keep in mind our needs prior to the draft and the players selected so far, and our scheme played with our current coaching staff.
Lot to ask, but I know you take the time to read and look at it all in a fans view of this team and our players that we currently have.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:36 am
look up rashaun woods seems alot like crabtree
April 26th, 2009 at 9:36 am
# Tommy Trojan25 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Crow, we don’t need a center, so all that means is the players we DO need are more likely to fall to us…so we can pass on them…
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We need more O-linemen. Satele can play guard or center in this scheme. Luigs might not have been a flashy pick, but it would have been a helpful pick.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:36 am
We added a WR, DE and safety. We were bad at WR, DE and S. Theoretically we are now less-bad at WR, DE and S, therefore, in theory, our team is better. So be happy.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:37 am
only 15 more picks to go till we get 2 of 3
April 26th, 2009 at 9:37 am
YoungAmerican…
Agree with you on Crabtree – either due to struggling to adapt into a PS offense, or that foot problem. Foot injuries can really screw up the career of any athlete. Ask Bill Walton, or ask Ronald Curry what he might have been without….what was it….3 or 4 Achilles tendon ruptures?
I keep harping on this, but don’t forget about Arman Shields either. He’s the why the Raiders probably won’t draft another WR, and at worst, he could be what Curry was 3 and 4 years ago – your 3rd down possession receiver who is willing to to run the quick slant, take a shot, and pick up that needed 3rd down.
I’m not foolish enough to say this is a *great* WR core, but it’s an interesting one, with enough talent (for a change) to see plenty of potential there.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:38 am
One good thing looking at the production of DHB last year was that he is best two games were against Wake Forest and V Tech.
Wake Forest had a DB go in the thirties yesterday and Vaughn was a 3rd round pick. That’s two NFl players he burned for 10 catches and over 100 yards that day. V Tech has “Macho” Harris who will get drafted next year and DHB also burned Syd’Quan Thompson of Cal for a TD, and Thompson might be a 2nd rounder next year.
Certainly played against much better talent than Maclin and Crabs did in the Big 12.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Good lord 15 enough of the rashaun woods comparison, I hate the niners so I hope and pray that haven’t gotten the next rice.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:38 am
We need more O-linemen. Satele can play guard or center in this scheme. Luigs might not have been a flashy pick, but it would have been a helpful pick.
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No doubt, OL help is never a bad thing. Ideally we can get Robinson or Meredith.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Could’ve had Micheal Johnson in the second round…and then got our projected fith round saftey in the third.
It is sad to see Cable sit there and be the puppet for Al’s stupidity.
Who takes a late first rounder number 7???
They could’ve traded down like the Browns did, got more picks and still got there guy!!
Now they have tpo pay a late first rounder top 10 money!!!
How does that save you money????
So stupid…
April 26th, 2009 at 9:38 am
TO is on the downside of his career…
i would have gone for Boldin though…
April 26th, 2009 at 9:38 am
As the Terrapin briefly awakes from a long winter hibernation just to chime in for a few:
I skimmed a few of the posts and some are really head-sctratchers. Since when did JR become a bust? Good Lord men! (scratching my head ..maybe this crazy thing Al Davis has is contagious)
Anyways, on with the draft: Believe it or not I’m coming around to the belief that the Raiders are actually having a good draft so far in a weak draft nonetheless. Crabtree just didn’t match. I see him as a great WR but a possession type – not a stretch the field type that we needed. The Raiders already have possession WRs, namely ZMiller and JWalker. Crabtree would’ve just crowded the short field.
Now DHB on the other hand will pull the DBs back off the line if he is able to establish himself as a threat (important IF). That was lacking tremendously last year – almost every team played us tight. If teams face the threat of a guy that can get deep and get there quick w/ JRs arm to meet him there – they WILL back off if the threat is real. That’ll eventually show itself via increased production from ZMiller, DMC, et al. in the short field.
Tom Cable was telling no lies when he said DHB makes “THE TEAM” better. And don’t rely too heavily on his stats. Maryland never had a QB to get DHB the ball. They had to rely a lot on other methods to get him the ball (reverses, quick throws paralleled the Oline, etc). And Maryland is a run 1st team. Cable was telling the truth. For the Raiders he was the only pick they could’ve made at WR. Put him in a different system w/ a good QB he could’ve been hyped up like CJohnson.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:40 am
NoMoreFargas my bad im just trying to convince myself that al did something good
April 26th, 2009 at 9:41 am
this is becoming pointless.. i cant wait till sept 14
April 26th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Crabtree was passed up by Cleveland, Seattle, Oakland and Jacksonville. Clearly the people who’s job depends on making the correct picks in the NFL draft were not as high on Crabtree as the ESPN hype machine. I would have preferred we take Eugene Monroe in that pick, but I like what Cable said about DHB playing in a pro offense. How many times have spread receivers failed in the NFL? Plus how many teams can identify their top two WR’s by just their initials. Our future Wr corps: DHB, JLH and the Chaz.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Terrapin
Glad to see your back. Question off topic, how did the CFA test go and what test number are you on 1,2,3.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Adding to my post @274…
Schillens also showed some willingness to take a hit across the middle of the field, especially late last year.
I think there are some guys in this group that have enough talent to grow with Russell, and just enough variety in styles to give him (and Cable) some options.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Maybe some Shawn Nelson would make this round interesting. Oakland could use another TE.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Anyways, I’m a die hard Raider fan and always will be. Just very dissapointed in this years draft…I think we all had high hopes.
Good luck Raiders…I still have faith!
Hey, did anybody watch the youtube video of Micheal Mitchell???
Even though we have never heard of him…he looks like a beast!!! THE KID CAN HIT!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:42 am
how bout them sharks!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Terrapin says:
The Raiders already have possession WRs, namely ZMiller and JWalker. Crabtree would’ve just crowded the short field.
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Not when Zach Miller has to stick around to block because Russell doesn’t have an O-line to give him time to convert those 3rd-and-long situations.
And if you have faith in Javon Walker… well, more power to you. But he didn’t “possess” much of anything last season, outside of a some injuries and a negative attitude.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Yeah and how many team passed on sapp,reed,merriman,suggs every team makes mistakes one bonus might be i never have to see walker in a Raider jersey again ,hey javon why not vist vegas this summer heard it will be popping.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:44 am
# Tommy Trojan25 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:38 am
We need more O-linemen. Satele can play guard or center in this scheme. Luigs might not have been a flashy pick, but it would have been a helpful pick.
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No doubt, OL help is never a bad thing. Ideally we can get Robinson or Meredith.
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I was down on Meredith as a 2nd round pick, where some had us taking him. In Rd4, I’d be all over him. He’s soft, but Oakland is so weak at tackle right now, they can’t exactly afford to be picky.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:44 am
BART Bridge Blues Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Crabtree was passed up by Cleveland, Seattle, Oakland and Jacksonville. Clearly the people who’s job depends on making the correct picks in the NFL draft were not as high on Crabtree as the ESPN hype machine. I would have preferred we take Eugene Monroe in that pick, but I like what Cable said about DHB playing in a pro offense. How many times have spread receivers failed in the NFL? Plus how many teams can identify their top two WR’s by just their initials. Our future Wr corps: DHB, JLH and the Chaz.
they said the same thing about steve slaton and chris johnson
April 26th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Wassup Terrapin!
Hibernation is an understatement. I haven’t seen you around in ages.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:44 am
The Safety pick may turn out to be a good pick as well. I felt good about the Branch pick last year. Both of these guys are thumpers – they’ll rock you! And they both can play FS or SS ..with Branch providing the extra ability of KR’r. Its possible that the Raiders have finally found the safety tandem they’ve been looking for for years. We’ll have to wait and see. (Notice how Cable pointed out Branch in particular when discussing Mitchell).
Now the “real” meat in needed on the lines. Without that, its just another bum year in Oakland.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Does anyone else think the Shaughnessy pick was a good one? I liked this one. Our pick in round 4 is coming up soon
April 26th, 2009 at 9:45 am
I don’t care who passed on Crabtree. He’s better than HB.
Amy Trask could do a better job running the team than Al Davis.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:45 am
I don’t know, I hope this works out so we can laugh at the rest of the league. But I think all of us have reason to be concerned about how quickly JaMarcus Russell will come along if we’ve done little to improve our WR corps and O-line.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:46 am
So the only move the Raiders made to improve the run defense was to hire John Marshall…..
Well, let’s roll
I still don’t like this outside-in stuff…but as many tried to tell me earlier…its the Davis way…..
Looks like we are keeping Burgess, Warren/Sands and Morrison in their existing positions.
Fine…..Let’s go!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Dude,
I like you sir, you never use insults and I like that. lol
I didn’t say due to my friends and you tubue I thought he was great. I said a few other things that you ignored, but it’s ok.
Ithink they call it sekestive hearing. lol
April 26th, 2009 at 9:47 am
young American,
Wait a minute, you can’t have it both ways. Johnson played in a big time div. He is a workout warrior. He looks so good that all he had to do was produce and he would have been #1 overrall. In essence, he is a defensive version of DHB. They both have great measurements but no production.
I am on record to say I dont agree with DHB pick. Are you on record to support the dHB pick? If not, then you are contradicting yourself.
Mitchell is going to challenge Mualuga for rookie of the year and yes I said that. Johnson looked so imposing at the combine and everything is known about him but why did teams passed him up for 2 rounds.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Raider Dell Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Terrapin
Glad to see your back. Question off topic, how did the CFA test go and what test number are you on 1,2,3.
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Studying for my series 4 next month. Haven’t gone the CFA route yet.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Its too late to reallly do anything now.
The 4th round is for depth guys…you might find a Tyvon Branch…but it still took him a year to get on the field…
Hopefully this pick will be better than that horrible Arman Shields pick
April 26th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Here we go Gents, we can make this a great draft.
We need DT, O Line, and LB.
Make it happen Al!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 9:49 am
For those upset about us not picking O-linemen so far, a look at the last six games of 2008 (statistically, which is how we tend to judge other teams’ production);
Seven sacks given up. Over 16 games, that’s 19 sacks. Would have been 6th in the NFL for fewest sacks given up. Those six games included games against our three division opponents, New England and Houston (with Mario Williams).
133 yards rushing per game. Over 16 games, that’s 8th in the NFL.
Hope that makes some of you feel better. Personally, I’d like to see a guard picked in this draft for depth, but don’t see a need anywhere else.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:49 am
What about terrence taylor out of michigan? He would add some force to our defense.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Are they going to cut/trade Michael Huff.
That pick literally set the Raiders back several years
April 26th, 2009 at 9:50 am
DarthPirate Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Does anyone else think the Shaughnessy pick was a good one? I liked this one. Our pick in round 4 is coming up soon
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Darth, all i know is that we drafted 3 players who have shown to be modest, works hard and considered team leaders on their team. Can’t remember teh last time we drafted players with characters. Dont tell me that this is not something Cable loooks for.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Oh Dell, CFA went fine. I passed. And passing may be an understatement. Based on the VERY generalized assessment they give you, I may have blown it out of the water. Scored top marks on almost every section except one as I remember. It was Level 1. I’ll take Level 2 next year (too little time to do it this year).
April 26th, 2009 at 9:52 am
I liked Dorell Scott.
D Scott and M Johnson were some of my fav in this RD.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:52 am
OK,
I am trying to be optimistic but I just don’t get this draft man. I think it is weak to be honest. We take DHB at 7 (The only thing I can think is Cratree was just so big headed he turned a lot of teams off). DHB to me reminds me of the old Walker. I may have a great game I ma go to sleep. Brice is right there and we help New Englannd get more powerful and take a questionable Safety. I just don’t get it. Our last pick I do not even know what his name is or what he did.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Terrapin Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Tom Cable was telling no lies when he said DHB makes “THE TEAM” better. And don’t rely too heavily on his stats. Maryland never had a QB to get DHB the ball. They had to rely a lot on other methods to get him the ball (reverses, quick throws paralleled the Oline, etc). And Maryland is a run 1st team. Cable was telling the truth. For the Raiders he was the only pick they could’ve made at WR. Put him in a different system w/ a good QB he could’ve been hyped up like CJohnson.
calvin didnt have stud qb either… but again he is a “great player” and “great player’s” produce…
April 26th, 2009 at 9:53 am
I like NT T Taylor from Much.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Terrapin
Congratulations, not a easy test. Number two they tell me is harder, I know you’ll be prepared.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:54 am
can we all agree that MM wasnt a reach?
April 26th, 2009 at 9:54 am
anyone think we take a QB later to replace walter?
April 26th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Since I live in Florida like Pete, I was curious as to how Oak-Town is taking our draft so far in terms of sports talk radio? Are they bashing Al?
April 26th, 2009 at 9:55 am
I’d like to see the TE Ingram next or Shawn Nelson.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Glutten, we have Gradkowski on the roster, probably not.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Here are the only questions that matter:
“Is Darrius Heyward-Bey a #1 NFL WR?”
“Is Michael Mitchell a starting NFL safety?”
“Is Matt Shaughnessy a starting NFL DE?”
Are they reaches? I think they are, however, whether or not they are reaches DOESN’T MATTER at this point. We picked them, they’re ours, we’re stuck with them.
Will they be good? We don’t know. I think all three of them will add to our team, and THAT is all that matters.
If you think they will be bad players, then say THAT. Calling them reaches is a waste of time. We pretty much all agree they are reaches, so what. To me it looks like they will help our team. We got bad value, we got good players…in my opnion that is. What is your opinion. Will these players be good? Why/why not? Who should we draft?
Stop pretending to know all of the answers?
Start developing your own answers to questions.
…and, most importantly, make sure you’re asking the right questions…
April 26th, 2009 at 9:56 am
All the disgruntled Raider Fans..Just get a new team..
April 26th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Look, I thought the team was decent good enough by the end of the Tampa game as it was to win 7 or 8 games.
So if any of these draft picks or free agents can upgrade a couple of spots…namely Khalif Barnes.
John Marshall should improve the play calling. If they can get Sands and Kelly in better condition that will improve the defense. Hopefully they can get to average.
Starting DMAC and Bush is an upgrade over Fargas
Walker is back healthy and Schilens and JLH have more experience and started building a rapport with Russell.
Tyvon Branch will be an upgrade over Wilson….and Chris Johnson should a solid if very good starter.
So all is not lost with this draft. Hopefully a couple of these guys can contribute next year. But its really about the other 48 guys that are on the team now and them improving.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:58 am
TT25
As always thanks to you my spirits remain hopeful for this upcoming season, yes we are better than 2008.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Wait a minute, you can’t have it both ways. Johnson played in a big time div. He is a workout warrior. He looks so good that all he had to do was produce and he would have been #1 overrall. In essence, he is a defensive version of DHB. They both have great measurements but no production.
I am on record to say I dont agree with DHB pick. Are you on record to support the dHB pick? If not, then you are contradicting yourself.
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The safety I really wanted was David Bruton (he’s still on the board). I’ve been talking him up for weeks. I’m just pointing out the fact that we still could have addressed the safety position with athletes on par with Mitchell in terms of potential, and gotten much better athletes at positions of need like the O-line and D-line, where they could have had an immediate impact.
I’m not sure what you’re on about regarding the DHB pick, but I think Crabtree, Nicks, and Barden would have all been much more suitable options.
April 26th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Dell
Will try once it’s all over…not sure if I can or, no offense, want to…lol..what the hell do I know anyway.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Don’t ask who we SHOULD HAVE drafted n the earlier draft?
Just ask who we SHOULD draft in these latter rounds?
And regardless of who we take, live with it, or don’t, that’s the only choice you have…if you are seriously considering foregoing your allegiance based on whether or not we draft your favorite player, then you shouldn’t be here at all.
The raiders have not taken any of the players I wanted, but they took good players who think will help the team.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Calvin Johnson was an all-acc as a freshman and his junior yr he caught 15 td and 1,400+ yrds and was first team all-american don’t see how dhb is just like him.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:01 am
South FLA Raider Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:54 am
Since I live in Florida like Pete, I was curious as to how Oak-Town is taking our draft so far in terms of sports talk radio? Are they bashing Al?
yesterday knbr was thanking Al Davis for not picking crabtree. though knbr is a pro9er station, they said they were not shocked by the DHB pick. im sure KNBR will be a blast all week!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:02 am
I get so annoyed with these “well other players dont have youtubes to back them up”…….DUH…maybe because they didnt make enough plays….ever think about that?
Do you think their rep firm/backers would not put together a highlite reel for them to market them? They all do.
If you can’t find a good tube on these players, then it is most likely they didnt make enough plays.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:02 am
I’m wondering if we don’t take a flyer on one of the massive OG’s left in the draft (duke robinson, herman johnson, etc. and try to convert him to NT – the knock on most of them is pass pro, lateral movement, and technique, but we need a strong space eater and a couple of them might be able to do that for us – not many big NT’s in this draft (2) and they’re gone, so why not use one of those 4’s on a massive OG and see if he can plug the middle?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Bob
I know to much to ask at this time.I’m heading later today to go on a much needed vacation, I will try to look for your comment on the draft when I return.
Thanks for the response.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:02 am
I’m guesing that Sidbury is a guy that Cable wants which is too bad because he won’t get him since Dallas wants him.
To bad, I like this guy.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:03 am
some espn clones still bashin the Oline LOL.. good grief LOL
April 26th, 2009 at 10:03 am
NoMoreFargas Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Calvin Johnson was an all-acc as a freshman and his junior yr he caught 15 td and 1,400+ yrds and was first team all-american don’t see how dhb is just like him.
That’s because you’re comparing the stats and not the players.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Raider O
You have to be the most well-mannered person posting on this blog and to prove it you talk to Dude.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:04 am
i guess you have to be a prima donna hyped player to be considered good LOL..
April 26th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Bruton just went to the Broncos. I’m going to be sick.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Denver drafted Bruton, they drafted 2 Ss.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:04 am
The Raider’s are my team. So I am unrealistically optimistic. 16-0 baby!
And I have my Lakers too.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:05 am
YoungAmerican,
If Johnson or Bruton had made great plays, I guarantee you they’d hve their own youtube.
I checked out most of the top rated safeties on youtube and I can assure you none of them is as impressive as Mitchell. Vaugnh is our backup plan and that was a distant second.
If you liked Johnson so much, then you should be on here to support DHB. IMO, they’re pretty much the same type of profile. Great measurements but no production!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:05 am
NoMoreFargas Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Calvin Johnson was an all-acc as a freshman and his junior yr he caught 15 td and 1,400+ yrds and was first team all-american don’t see how dhb is just like him.
just responding to
Terrapin Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Tom Cable was telling no lies when he said DHB makes “THE TEAM” better. And don’t rely too heavily on his stats. Maryland never had a QB to get DHB the ball. They had to rely a lot on other methods to get him the ball (reverses, quick throws paralleled the Oline, etc). And Maryland is a run 1st team. Cable was telling the truth. For the Raiders he was the only pick they could’ve made at WR. Put him in a different system w/ a good QB he could’ve been hyped up like CJohnson.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:06 am
# raiderrej Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:54 am
can we all agree that MM wasnt a reach?
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No.
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# Glutten for Punishment Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:54 am
anyone think we take a QB later to replace walter?
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We’ve signed 2 QBs already. I think we’re done there.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:06 am
If you don’t agree w/ the DHB pick thats fine. I too questioned “the position” at which he was picked. Yet, you don’t know if the Raider ever had an opportunity to trade down and still get DHB. At this point its of no concern to me.
The real question you all should be focused on is “How does this guy help the team?”
I think if you objectively consider it you’ll see the benefits to the TEAM and to the system Oakland wants to run that DHB ‘could’ bring. Probably moreso that Crabtree.
If I objectively, stepping outside the box and hype, look at Crabtree in conjunction with the team and system the Raiders run ….I see a potentially good/great WR that’s prob in the wrong kind of system that may result in mediocrity for him.
(Another side note: b/c DHB never had a QB or complementary WRs he ALWAYS faced double teams – always. That alone would hold down your stats. I don’t care who you are).
April 26th, 2009 at 10:06 am
LAKERS BABY!!!!!!!!!!! WHOOP THAT CAVS ASS IN THE FINALS!!!! King James? pfft.. more like Queen Latifah.. you know what.. thats not fair.. Queen Latifah is a classy person.. my bad
April 26th, 2009 at 10:06 am
The Raiders have a very good team if Cable starts the right players….if the draft picks can contribute then fine.
Gotta look at the offseason in its totality…they upgraded several positions:
Mario Henderson is a solid player
Khalif Barnes should be an upgrade to Cornell Green
Samson Satele should play more games than Grove’s knee
DMAC will be healthy
Bush should get more time than Fargas
JLH and Schilens could breakout next year
And now we have some young players that are hungry for an opportunity. As long as Cable starts the BEST PLAYERS the Raiders will be fine as is.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:07 am
If Johnson or Bruton had made great plays, I guarantee you they’d hve their own youtube.
I checked out most of the top rated safeties on youtube and I can assure you none of them is as impressive as Mitchell. Vaugnh is our backup plan and that was a distant second.
If you liked Johnson so much, then you should be on here to support DHB. IMO, they’re pretty much the same type of profile. Great measurements but no production!
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If you’re going to play NFL scout on YouTube, this isn’t even a real conversation.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:08 am
ENGLAND,
Thank you.
What do you think so far? Maybe not great, but not too bad. IMO
April 26th, 2009 at 10:08 am
We can do a lot for the O line in this round with these two picks.
Right now Meredith OT and Duke Robinson G are both on the board, they’d be huge pick ups and address needed depth if they can last to us.
Although I’m guessing a we’ll go cornerback and cornerback. Al needs his yearly fix.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Wow, sounds like some of you girls all started your periods at the same time and the board is being overun with PMS & estrogen. WAH! why didn’t we get that prima donna Crabcakes? One guy yesterday really cracked me up- “I’m putting all my Raider stuff up on Ebay and selling it” Good! Get the F out! Either grow some balls or get some nice soft cheese to go with your whine and go root for the niners. Bunch of freaking puzzies.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:09 am
SNB i agree with what you just said 100%.. so far these guys are saying the right things..
April 26th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Xavier Fulton, jamon Merideth, and Lyndon Murtha are all still on the board and we have two picks coming up in soon.
All of these men have the speed and athleticism to play in the zone blocking scheme. The Raiders have to shore up the line and add more depth at that position at some point.
I will be happy with Chris baker and one of the three linemen.
I also really like terrance Taylor. If the Raiders could walk away with either Taylor or Baker and one of those lineman they would have a solid draft in my opinion.
At this point my main concern is the money that will be paid to project player like DHB but other than that he was a first round graded player and Cable made some good points that DHB would have had a considerable more amount of production in a spread offense like mac or Crab.
Also Chris Turner was truly an atrocious d one QB. 13 picks 11 ints 57% comp. He did not have a strong arm.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:09 am
# Tommy Trojan25 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Stop making comparisons between prospects and just look at our team. When the season starts our team will be all that matters.
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when I say it doesnt matter how many weapons we give Russell it still doesnt matter because he has no protection…
I still find it valid, he didnt have any protection last year, and he still dont, McFadden didnt have any to make holes for him… he still have any….
April 26th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Why does it matter that (if) they were reaches?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:10 am
check out this video of Mike Mitchell…This kid lays the wood.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KF2-_OXoA
April 26th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Will these players we drafted be good?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Dude,
I can’t spell.
I meant to say Selective Hearing. lol
April 26th, 2009 at 10:11 am
I think the raiders should consider signing jason taylor. I’d feel much much better about the upcoming season if we went along and did that.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Could Brinkley go to the Saints here?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Chip Vaughn just went to the Saints.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:12 am
some of us are drunk off the koolaid… DHB= reach @ 7.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:13 am
I don’t know about you guys, but I feel like a GM/ Scout.
Talking to you and friends on the phone, I feel like I’m at work.
I love the draft.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:14 am
fan for 30 years..u cant sugarcoat this. maybe all these guys are studs but the pats would have drafted them all later. we all know draft is crapshoot but you cant reach every round..our 1/2/3 guys are 2/3/4 guys..we could have picked all the same guys and got a first qnd second next year..(like the pats do)for our first….
oh well. bey better be the next randy moss/somehow i dont thinks so..will still watch cus i am an idiot../we are all idiots..sorry
April 26th, 2009 at 10:14 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Raider O
You have to be the most well-mannered person posting on this blog and to prove it you talk to Dude.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I second that comment!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:14 am
I like Ellerbe also from Georgia at ILB
April 26th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Raider O
I think like most that we didn’t manage the first round very well since we could have picked HB and
Mitchell later.
That said, HB could be what Russell needs and he fits with Chaz and JLH.
HB with Miller, Chaz, McFadden and JLH could be pretty entertaining.
Al/Cable probably wanted Johnson in the third.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Pete,
Brinkley is a possibility now.
You’ll be a legend in here if we take him.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:15 am
no more mitchell/DHB youtube highlights…please?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:15 am
YoungAmerican Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:07 am
If Johnson or Bruton had made great plays, I guarantee you they’d hve their own youtube.
I checked out most of the top rated safeties on youtube and I can assure you none of them is as impressive as Mitchell. Vaugnh is our backup plan and that was a distant second.
If you liked Johnson so much, then you should be on here to support DHB. IMO, they’re pretty much the same type of profile. Great measurements but no production!
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If you’re going to play NFL scout on YouTube, this isn’t even a real conversation.
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Wait a minute why did all these top safeties have their own youtube and Bruton didnt? We can certainly say that youtube doesnt show their downside but certainly show “all their positves”…if they made plays, they’d be on there.
Tell me how you come to like Johnson and Bruton. Where did you learn about them? Mayock? Kiper? Combine? Mayock admitted he doesnt he know Mitchell. Never saw film on him but 15 teams invited him in for a private meet. I guarantee you Kiper didnt even see film on Mitchell yet you folloow what they say religously!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:16 am
CB C.J. Moore finally got picked. He was atop Scounts Inc list since the draft started today
April 26th, 2009 at 10:16 am
They are talking about gallery at NFLN.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Shaugnessy is somewhat intriguing to me. He had some injury problems but that he still was productive and has the physical tools to compete at the next level is what is important.
Fellas we have to keep in mind that Al pays a lot of people to scout players for him and they grade these players as well.
The Raiders, not just al graded these players. At a certain point we have to respect the Grades the raiders gave these players and keep in mind we are not out there putting work in clocking and scouting these players.
We are working off the grades that our sources which are internet draft sites are grading and scouting these players.
The professionals football teams grade these guys for a living for a lot of money. the websites and draft gurus on tv make considerably less than the personnel people in charge of grading these people and selecting these picks.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:17 am
FUKK!!
WASTE IT ALL!!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Tommy,
Good to here from you.
Any thoughts on 126 and 128 with the prospects that are left?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:17 am
*hear*
April 26th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Tomycar Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:09 am
SNB i agree with what you just said 100%.. so far these guys are saying the right things..
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Yeah, but I gotta keep it real too. I am not excited about this draft at all because the Raiders drafted strictly on need and didn’t take into consideration value and best player on the board. History has demonstrated you can get in trouble doing that.
But that being said, the players are all young and all have the potential to contribute. I just need a draft pick or two to contribute…they don’t even have to start….just contribute…the hard-work, humble attitude displayed by Heyward-Bey and Mitchell in their Q&As is a nice place to start. It appears that they really want to be Raiders and they knew the history and the roster.
D-HB said he is looking forward to working with Asomugha in camp. Asomugha could turn this guy into a monster.
Mike Mitchell seems to know his Raider history. Anyone that young that professes admiration for Jack Tatum can’t be bad.
Athletically gifted, although raw, and a hard work demeanor…ok…let’s roll…give’m hell
April 26th, 2009 at 10:17 am
I could see J Brinkley ending up in Balt. Hope I’m wrong.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Al pay his FRIENDS to tell him whos fast
April 26th, 2009 at 10:18 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Raider O
I think like most that we didn’t manage the first round very well since we could have picked HB and
Mitchell later.
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Right you mean we could have picked Mitchell 3 spots later…after Chicago in the second round right? You mean we could have picked Orlando Pace and Donavan Darius but decided to pick them later….how did those substitute players pan out? Remember D Russ? Remember Dorsett, Pope, Gibson, Swheigert, Huff?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Tommy Trojan25 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Why does it matter that (if) they were reaches?
what matters is that the front office is willing to do what Al wants!!! Every pick we’ve had on this site, ive heard picks that were way off then what the raiders actually picked. Either we’re a bunch of stupid fans or Al Davis is a lot smarter then we think he is.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Brandon Williams from Texas tech is another player we have to watch. He had a lot of sacks, pressures, and tackles for loss and he is a speed rusher.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:19 am
I dont get the DHB pick. If Al’s strategy is to draft physical specimens with hopes that good coaching will convert them into All Pros, then spend a ton on coaching! As it stands we have a roster full of “athletes” with the CHEAPEST coaching staff in the league trying to covert them into All-Pros…jeeesh
April 26th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Dell,
Thats very kind of you, thank you.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:20 am
We’ll all know how good these guys are in a few years. If they turn out to be productive everyone will praise Davis – his resurrection. If they turn out to be bad – nothing will change – the Raiders will still be the punchline.
Frankly, I’ll be interested to see how the JR,ZM,DMC,DHB combo turns out once the line is solidified. Guys the Raiders have some very good players at the “talent” positions! They just have to make it work.
A phenomenally talented QB, maybe great TE, great RB and possibility a deep threat WR. It could be Star Wars on offense. But we’ll see.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Sweep The Leg Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Pete,
Brinkley is a possibility now.
You’ll be a legend in here if we take him.
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Brinkley is still on the board???
April 26th, 2009 at 10:20 am
oops never mind dem cowboys just snatched him up: Brandon williams
April 26th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Dang, Dallas took Brandon Williams.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:20 am
lol @ Raider O. you are one of my favs here you fool lol
April 26th, 2009 at 10:21 am
I’ve watched every game Bruton has played. He’s been an impact player from day one, first on special teams and then as a starter. The guy is 6′2 with a 4.3 40. He picks good angles of pursuit and is smart in coverage. You’ll get to see him two games a year now, since Denver got him.
For what it’s worth, we could have also gotten Chip Vaughn in the third round. I think he’s got a whole bunch of YouTube clips, if that’s how you decide a player’s quality.
No knock on Mitchell, really. He’s a good player and I certainly want to see him succeed. But we have much more pressing needs on the D and O-lines, and there were some players sitting there in the second round that easily could have gone in the first. We passed on them to take a small-school safety prospect when the third and fourth rounds have been deep with similar quality safeties.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Don’t count us out on ILB Jason Phillips from TCU
April 26th, 2009 at 10:21 am
DHB is the receiver we needed: a deep threat that will stretch the field and not allow opposing safety’s to cheat. Zack Miller will love having this guy on the field. JLH will be open in the slot as well.
Mike Mitchell was not a reach as Da Bears were going to draft him at 49. This guy is a football player. I watched his youtube highlights and the guy can hit. I’m not going to proclaim him great because of a few highlights, but he plays with an enthuiasm that I haven’t seen from this defense in awhile. Hopefully he wears a dark visor.
Matt Shaugnessy is supposedly a leader and another guy that seems to “love” football, as described by steve young yesterday. He has injury issues which affected his draft stock value. When healthy, the guy has 1st round talent. The only thing that scares me is that is described as a “high motor” guys, which brings back bad memories of Tyler Brayton. At least this was a 3rd round pick, not a first.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Damn. Bills took Shawn Nelson. There goes my homer pick.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:21 am
ENGLAND,
I think so too, at 70th!!!!!
Those Bengals are killing me this draft, just killing me. lol
April 26th, 2009 at 10:22 am
You know what…they need a C-Span like coverage of the draft. Can’t even follow along anymore
April 26th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Zach Follett still out there?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:22 am
On offense we should hope for Jamon Meredith, Duke Robinson, or Herman Johnson. On defense let’s hope for Jasper Brinkley, Lawrence Sidbury, or Ricky Jean-Francois.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:23 am
I don’t know if you can really knock Sanjay Lal for being cheap. Lal ran off James Lofton a coach and man the Al davis has a lot of respect for. Lal is a young man that people have said just has a passion and desire to succeed and is a good teacher.
QB coach is Hackett. Tollner been around for a long time and is the oc/ passing game coordinator. all these men are respected for their coaching and teaching ability.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:23 am
The next person who says “I’ve seen YouTube highlights” when analyzing a player should smack themselves in the face.
PROTIP: YouTube highlights don’t include blown plays.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Who has the fastest 40 time of the remaining OG or OT?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Meredith and Follett… please, Al.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:24 am
SnB Defense Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Zach Follett still out there?
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Yes
April 26th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Zach Follet is still available
April 26th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Or Taylor. Or Sidbury. Or Francois.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:24 am
it will be a TE we dont need
April 26th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Brinkley, taylor, baker, murtha, merideth, fulton: come on make it happen on two of these players right now.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:25 am
No Cadillac, maybe 2 chevy’s! LOL
April 26th, 2009 at 10:25 am
You guys are too much. lol
April 26th, 2009 at 10:25 am
These next two picks could be good for us. Lots of talent in this draft.
I think Cable likes but they could easily go for Brinkley.
Come on Al, make the sure bet this time. No gambling.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:25 am
I can’t put into words how disappointed I am that my favorite players in this draft are on the Broncos, Ravens, and Giants.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Pats just traded ahead of us, probably for a player they think we want…we’ll see
April 26th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Patriots just jumped ahead of the Raiders
April 26th, 2009 at 10:26 am
follet, Sidbury and francois are solid players. I like them to.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:26 am
I think he likes Sidbury but it could be Brinbkley.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:26 am
I want Meredith or Marcus Freeman.
Please Al, here we go gents.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:26 am
NE traded up, here goes Brinkley
April 26th, 2009 at 10:27 am
dam belichick just moved up that sob. this guy boy….
April 26th, 2009 at 10:27 am
NE will snatch Jamon
April 26th, 2009 at 10:27 am
NE just got ahead of us. basterds
April 26th, 2009 at 10:27 am
damn patriots just jumped in front of us.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:27 am
I guess not…
April 26th, 2009 at 10:27 am
on the clock, go raiders!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:27 am
LET’S GO LINEMEN!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:27 am
here we go……..yaaaa
April 26th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Were on the clock
April 26th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Ohrnberger, Rich OG 6′2″ 297 Penn State
April 26th, 2009 at 10:28 am
another WR?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:28 am
another WR? WTF
April 26th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Im wondering if we will go LB with our next pick and OL two picks later or if we go OL with the next pick and LB two later. Probably go LB, OL…..
April 26th, 2009 at 10:28 am
OK here we go
April 26th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Ok, at least he’s a good player, but let’s get LINEMEN!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Oh for gods sake. A gator? Al, you’re still a failure.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:28 am
WTF
April 26th, 2009 at 10:28 am
What are we doing? I am trying to get with this…this is hard
April 26th, 2009 at 10:28 am
or not…
April 26th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Wow Brinkley is really falling.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:28 am
louis murray: YOUTUBE HIGHLIGHT TIME!!!!!!!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:29 am
lol wtf.
Another WR?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:29 am
another receiver huh?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:29 am
well Jr has weapons down field now no doubt about that. thought murphy was gone.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:29 am
YoungAmerican, Chip Vaugh would have been gone to us in the second round had we lose out on Mitchell…Taht I know 100% for sure. I called the mitchell picked in the 2nd round so you can trust me that I know a little about the Raiders.
I go back to this,Bruton and Johsnon played at big time colleges. They have fantastic measurables. Then why would their backers not put them on youtube when all the top safeties had their own tube. You’re telling me their marketing team would not have put a tube up there when all the players they are competign with for a spot are on there?
I am thankful that there is youtube so that I can judge a player WITH MY OWN EYES rather than put faith in Kiper and Mayock.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:29 am
we are totally OFF!! holly shjt!!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Holy Toledo!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:29 am
a WR…
31st against the run…
and we need another receiver…
April 26th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Hes a good WR….i thought he was gonna go higher..
April 26th, 2009 at 10:29 am
We drafted WR Louis Murphy!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:29 am
That’s it
I am DONE
FUK YOU AL
you will not get any of my money again ever!!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Raider KO Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:28 am
louis murray: YOUTUBE HIGHLIGHT TIME!!!!!!!!!!
lol!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Like I said before, I thought the roster upgrades in free agency was good enough to get the team to decent…just need a draft pick or two to contribute
April 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Another 6-2 WR with 4.3 speed
April 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am
another receiver, WHY???
April 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am
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April 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am
No!!! Sidbury just went… right between our picks…
April 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am
We have the cheapest coaching staff in the league. Even if Al would pony up the money to hire a proven coaching staff, nobody would come here because of the crazy s*it he pulls off like this year’s draft….
April 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am
last chance to redeem, go defence
April 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am
they obviously don’t see the front 7 as much of an issue as we do
April 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am
What!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am
we’re making our selections fast.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am
I also said this months ago, but with Maclin’s slower than expected 40 time and small stature and Crabtree’s projected bad 40 time (he got caught from behind every play he wasn’t already at full speed) DHB was the right pick, just not that high – now that we know 6 WR’s went in the first round, had we not taken DHB at 7 and traded back, and that Maclin lasted until pick 18, DHB might have been gone.
Getting to the point – this offense will be the KC of the early 2000’s – play action with the ZBS run system. We don’t need great WR’s to run it (KC led the league with Johnnie Morton and Eddie Kinnison) – what DHB allows us to do is get more creative with McFadden and Higgins, single up Chaz (who runs a 4.38 himself) on a lesser CB to take advantage of his speed, size, and jumping ability, and also spread teams out to take advantage of draws to DMAC.
DHB was a reach, but he has better tools than any of the rest (I really like Hakeem Nicks though) and he can break tackles after the catch – much better weapon than Javon Walker who can be used at his reduced rate as a possession reciever – hopefully he’s fully healed and his head is into the game – We’ll see if he develops into a legit #1 WR, but if nothing else he’ll be a good gimmick player for reverses, screens, and spread formation routes and will stretch the field for other players, but I think he’s better than Tedd Ginn Jr. who went #9 a couple years ago.
Our O line is fine – Barnes will play RT and Henderson will play LT, and that, in conjunction with our new play action based vertical passing game should be enough to protect JR.
Defensively we’re still in trouble – we gotta find a NT and hope that our new DE can replace Burgess and hold up against the run, and that scott has developed. I like Mitchell’s hitting ability from the highlight reel I saw on youtube – those are big time hits – he may take a while to get used to the speed of this game though – risky pick but we had to have a strong safety and their weren’t a lot of good ones this year. He should at least be good in short yardage and goaline situations and he should add a ton of value on special teams.
I know nothing about our DE, except for the injuries and that he was another reach, but at least his character is good.
Crap, we just took another damn WR – this guy was a good sleeper though -
April 26th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Falcons took Sidbury!!!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:31 am
some post his youtube!!! holly crap Al.. anyone know his 40 time?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:31 am
WTF? who?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Slade Norris?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Tell Al to pass the glue LOL!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:31 am
who is slade?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Again it will be hard for j-russ to make throws when he is on his back, that MNF against the chargers will let us know how bad or how much better the o-line is.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Slade… he’s good
April 26th, 2009 at 10:31 am
LOL!
You guys bought that JLH and Chaz Schillens stuff Al was spewing huh?
John Holland? Watkins?
LOL!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:31 am
slade norris??? LOL
April 26th, 2009 at 10:31 am
all i can say is that Mike Mitchell must be one mean mother fqqer…
he’s all the defense we need…
April 26th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Sweet. We’ve got ourselves a pretty good track team going here!!
Hey Terrapin, ’bout time you came out of your shell to give us the inside on Darrius. You make any Maryland games this year?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:32 am
I knew the pick between ours would be good. Probably Hall of Fame DE.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:32 am
We needed depth at linebacker..one of our needs..
April 26th, 2009 at 10:32 am
someone post their 40 times with a youtube clip..lol
April 26th, 2009 at 10:33 am
And we draft a LB who isn’t ranked anywhere. Excellent.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:33 am
we pick again in a couple minutes…
April 26th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Who is Nortis Slade
April 26th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Florida Pete Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:31 am
all i can say is that Mike Mitchell must be one mean mother fqqer…
he’s all the defense we need…
LMAO
April 26th, 2009 at 10:33 am
I keep saying to myself that they are my Raiders but:
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April 26th, 2009 at 10:33 am
# TownRaider510 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:32 am
We needed depth at linebacker..one of our needs..
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We have a lot of depth players at LB. What we need are starters.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Slade Norris SI Grade2.87GRADING SYSTEM
Position:
OLB Class:
Senior School:
Oregon State Conference:
Pac-10 Ht., Wt.:
6-2.5, 236 40 Time:
4.65
BIOGRAPHY: Senior totals included career numbers of 57/18.5/10 when he became a full-time starter. Junior numbers included 16/10/9 when he moved from linebacker to defensive end prior to the start of the season.
POSITIVES: Hard-working yet undersized college defensive end who makes a lot of plays up the field. Intense competitor who displays speed off the edge, flies around the ball, and consistently makes plays behind the line of scrimmage. Immediately changes direction or alters his angle of attack, fast in every direction. Turns on his speed in one quick step and chases the action hard.
NEGATIVES: Easily knocked off balance by the first block, and slow to shed once engaged at the point. Rarely asked to make plays in space or moving in reverse.
ANALYSIS: Norris displayed a lot of improvement the past three seasons, and he has the physical skills to be used as a weak side linebacker in the NFL if he improves his play in coverage.
PROJECTION: Free Agent
April 26th, 2009 at 10:33 am
slade norris – let’s look him up -
April 26th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Why not Freeman at OLB or Follett?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Al doesn’t even look at positions, he just calls the name of the fastest dude available, and then tells his puppets to say “this is the player we were targeting all along”….pathetic
April 26th, 2009 at 10:35 am
NEGATIVES: Easily knocked off balance by the first block, and slow to shed once engaged at the point. Rarely asked to make plays in space or moving in reverse.
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So…we still don’t have a SAM. Excellent.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Louis Murphy was a great pick (I think), but who the hell is slade norris
April 26th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Why not Follett? He fits the SLB need we have.
This is insanity.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Don’t worry, just 72 picks until we get another shot at the players we all want…
April 26th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Round Players Positions Schools Conferences NFL Teams Draft Selections Draft Analysis Best Available Slade Norris SI Grade2.87GRADING SYSTEM
Position:
OLB Class:
Senior School:
Oregon State Conference:
Pac-10 Ht., Wt.:
6-2.5, 236 40 Time:
4.65
BIOGRAPHY: Senior totals included career numbers of 57/18.5/10 when he became a full-time starter. Junior numbers included 16/10/9 when he moved from linebacker to defensive end prior to the start of the season.
POSITIVES: Hard-working yet undersized college defensive end who makes a lot of plays up the field. Intense competitor who displays speed off the edge, flies around the ball, and consistently makes plays behind the line of scrimmage. Immediately changes direction or alters his angle of attack, fast in every direction. Turns on his speed in one quick step and chases the action hard.
NEGATIVES: Easily knocked off balance by the first block, and slow to shed once engaged at the point. Rarely asked to make plays in space or moving in reverse.
ANALYSIS: Norris displayed a lot of improvement the past three seasons, and he has the physical skills to be used as a weak side linebacker in the NFL if he improves his play in coverage.
PROJECTION: Free Agent
April 26th, 2009 at 10:36 am
http://www.nfl.com/draft/2009/profiles/matt-shaughnessy?id=79643#profiles-tabs:players-analysis
CHECK IT OUT!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:37 am
slade norris or norris slade???
PROJECTION: Free Agent
April 26th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Maybe AD confused Slade Norris with Jack Slade, the character that Arnold played.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:38 am
ommy Trojan25 Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Don’t worry, just 72 picks until we get another shot at the players we all want…
exaaaaaccttlllyyy… not one pick that everyone has been screaming about!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Unfreakin Believable okay i thought it would get better but it has gotten worse we go oft injured d.e. another wr feh? and then olb from oregon state i dont get but i tell you what im starting to be more pleased with day 1 now cause day two has netted us zelch
April 26th, 2009 at 10:39 am
IS HE RELATED TO CHUCK NORRIS??? IF THATS THE CASE, WELL WE HAVE A WINNER FOLKS!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:39 am
anybody know what we are going to do with drew carter/arman shields/higgins/chaz/bey/murphy/javon/bey please give me some guidance
April 26th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Slade Norris sounds more like a teen punk band
April 26th, 2009 at 10:40 am
My eyes just started bleeding, after reading that.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Know what is behind Chuck Norris beard?
Another fist.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:42 am
It’s Chuck Norris’s nephew!!!LOL! Beard and all!!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Slade Norris huh.
His weight and height may be either 6ft 2ins and 240 lbs or 6ft 3ins and 229 lbs depending on where you look. Maybe it depends on whether he’s standing up straight and has eaten lunch.
His profile says he plays the piano and won’t kill insects-how about Chargers?
Maybe he belongs with the 49’s?
I’m guessing that Cable’s Oregon contacts are in play here that he knows something about the guy.
And another receiver.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:44 am
dallasraiderfan Says:
April 26th, 2009 at 10:39 am
anybody know what we are going to do with drew carter/arman shields/higgins/chaz/bey/murphy/javon/bey please give me some guidance
^^
Cut Carter and roll w/ 7 receivers? LOL. I wish I had a good answer. I’m sure we’ll know soon enough that we needed to add “competition” to that group. I hope Walker gets cut
April 26th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Funny, NFL.com has no analysis or profile of Slade Norris, not even his Bio. Wow!!LOL!!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Kiper just ran off in the mouth about murphy not being consistent
April 26th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Yes, I think you can write off Drew Carter and Javon Walker
April 26th, 2009 at 10:47 am
I give up.. im starting to regret my renewal
April 26th, 2009 at 10:47 am
kiper is a tool. alot of players will prove him wrong like always
April 26th, 2009 at 10:48 am
LOL Raiderrej!! Slade Norris sounds like a 70’s show action hero!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:49 am
So, no player to help on Run D?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:50 am
This is the analysis I got from nfl.com on Norris:
“There is no analysis about this Prospect at this time.”
Holy Cow!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Slade norris sounds like he was a character on “NightCourt” w/Bull
April 26th, 2009 at 10:51 am
or is Norris Slade? he has a firsty firsty
April 26th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Post 481: Los Raiders:
Probably the most accurate post of the day, I’m sorry to say, but so true. That’s Al to a nut shell. He’s a speed psycho!
April 26th, 2009 at 10:53 am
You have to say that the players we’ve passed on would make a pretty good football team.
If we were looking for post draft day trading deals it might have been good to pick the athletes that teams wanted.
I have to believe that Cable has information about Slade Norris due to his Oregon connections but what do I know I thought he liked Johnson and Birdwell.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Drew Carter is actually a good player. Can’t believe we’re going to replace him with a god damn Gator.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:54 am
” I have to believe that Cable has information about Slade Norris due to his Oregon connections but what do I know I thought he liked Johnson and Birdwell.”
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Cable hasn’t had a say in any of these ridiculous picks. Don’t kid yourself.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Well, actually there wasn’t that much out there on Mitchell either but I like what I see of him.
April 26th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Can we get a 5th rounder for Turd?
April 26th, 2009 at 10:57 am
regardless of this mess, I will be wearing my #20 home jersey enjoying my monday tailgate and absorbing the nations energy at the coliseum… a bit disappointed but nontheless excited like I am every year.
April 26th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Al’s not giving Marshall a whole lot to build on here.
April 26th, 2009 at 11:00 am
I don’t get it. We had pretty decent 07 & 08 drafts. What the hell happened this year? I mean, Cable said they didn’t even visit DHB’s pro day, they had a “scout” tape it and send it to them…the 7th pick of the draft analyzed by a home movie!….whaaaaaat?
April 26th, 2009 at 11:00 am
post 513…Crow
You’re so right there. It’s all Al.
April 26th, 2009 at 11:01 am
see you all next year in top 8 again……at least we have all our picks for next year we can all/laugh/cry about.. only dumber team in nfl are the redskins…(and even they did better this year with orapko (remember tehy offered 2 #1’s for ocho cinco? morons..they have one thing in common with raiders..an owner that is braindead..maybe we get lucky and mike vick gets picked up as free agent..
April 26th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Half of all these draft picks are going to be busts.
I just hope we’re not ahead of the curve.
April 26th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Some more Mitchell comments….
“Yes, I heard them,” Mitchell, a well-spoken young man, said Sunday. “That’s OK. Mel Kiper has his opinion and I respect it. But what does it mean? My 9-year-old nephew can watch film and make an opinion. … I think I value the opinion of scouts who actually get paid to make their opinions. All I know is the Oakland Raiders made me their second-round pick and I’m determined to make Mr. [Al] Davis know he made a fine pick.”
Mitchell said he’ll keep Kiper’s comments close to him for the rest of his career. In fact, Mitchell said he is in the process of getting a picture of Kiper. Mitchell plans to decorate his Oakland locker with it.
“It will carry me through my career,” Mitchell said. “It will serve as motivation for me.”
Good Stuff!!
April 26th, 2009 at 11:52 am
SnB im not thrilled either.. but im not irate either as i have been in the last few years.. where the Raiders drafted the hype rather then the guy they really wanted.. it seems a bit hindsight now.. but the clues were there all along that Bey was the guy they wanted.. Cable answered a question about taking a player to high and his response was.. not if its the player you really want..
April 26th, 2009 at 11:56 am
i think the teams with the worst drafts (not that it matters, 3 years from now it will) but the Chargers.. i see Norvell Turner is still completely clueless
April 26th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Can anyone tell me why we have 3 running backs, and no offensive lineman. So are we gonna jerk around again with all 3 and get minimal production out of all three. Remember last year Cable barely played McFadden, even when he was healthy
April 26th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
RAIDERS 2009 DRAFT = BIGGEST DISGRACE EVER!!!!!!!!!
April 26th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Let’s see… all of you that claim to be Raiders fans seem to have more disgust for OUR team than I do for the patriots. Why don’t you all go buy yourselves brady jerseys? And buy your kids moss jerseys while you’re at that. No wonder the analysts dump on Oakland, when you supposed “fans” do. We’re better off without you.
And consiidering WE had a better draft than all the other AFC West teams WE should be ecstatic. Notice how the broncos have 7 rbs now?
Now look at OUR draft. DHB fits what WE want to do. You want crabtree so bad then play the lottery, win it five times and buy a team and get him. Quit your crying and 49er fans might be happy now but here’s a funfact.
Crabtree is second in conference history with 41 tds, right? That’s why everyone loves him, right? Well in 2004 the 49ers drafted, in the first round, a WR by the name of Rashaun Woods who happens to hold the all-time conference record with 42 td catches.
DHB will be better than crabtree because playing the best CB in the league can make playing against other CBs like a cakewalk.
By the way did you see crabtrees little suit? Silver suit, he wanted to be a Raider but thought he might get taken by the seahawks so he took on the silver. What a poser. At least Jamarcus wore the right color.
And you same crybabies who are whining over Huff now have a problem when WE get a safety? Wtf is wrong with you? We got a SLB, part of a team who made sanchez and company look second rate. We got DE to help the pass rush and excuse me if WE didn’t trade up for Johnson, who knew what marvin lewis was thinking outside of rey mauluga?
Al Davis is a genius. As long as he doesn’t choose who everyone else wants instead of who he wants like say when he let callahan take Gallery when Al obviously wanted Sean Taylor. So bite your tongues you doubters.
As with every diehard Raider fan will agree with me… WE will win the SUPERBOWL this year.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:41 am
al davis should buy other teams draft boards that way they can select players that wouldnt end up free agents anyway
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