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Tom Cable Day 2 Q&A

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A transcript from Tom Cable’s press conference Sunday following Day 2 of the NFL Draft:

Cable: Just to talk a little bit about Day 2, it started with Matt Shaughnessy, a defensive end from Wisconsin, we needed a guy that gives us something like Trevor Scott, that type of guy, but a little more size, and we feel good about that. Louis Murphy, we thought, would have been gone by then. The first question you’ll probably ask me is he played in spread system, yes he did. But always as an outside receiver, so he’s more apt to make the transition in to the pro system. Slade Norris has been at linebacker and played at rush end the last two years at Oregon State. We’re going to stand him up and play him at the SAM linebacker spot. Stryker Sulak was an end also, but also a linebacker in their system, depending on how they played certain teams he would be an inside linebacker, he’d be an edge linebacker, put his hand on the ground and be a defensive end as a pass rusher. So again, we’ll stand him up to start, at the linebacker spot. And then the last one, was a guy that I really felt we had to have, this was the last piece to those four I talked about earlier in the year, that we had to have the tight end that really had some physicalness to him so we could take some of that away from Zach Miller and use him in the passing game a little bit more. Overall, like every coach says, I’m very pleased, what we did, who we got and who we’re bringing in here.

Q: Was it Myers you wanted or just the position?

Cable:I t was Myers. There was two guys on there, Pascoe and Myers, and Pascoe went just before. So, either way, whichever one fell to us we were going to go after and get it.

Q: How does Shaughnessy stand out, more like Richardson or Scott?

Cable: You look at a guy who I think has 48 starts at Wisconsin. He’s been on a number of successful teams. A little more size than Trevor, not as big as Jay, so somewhere in between there. But I like the motor, I like what I got out of him. If you look at the East-West game he really was productive in that all star game, and then just his numbers, playing that much in that league, at that school, is a pretty good accomplishment.

Q: Not a lot of depth at guard, no o-linemen drafted, a reason for that?

Cable: Well, as I mentioned, we kind of went into it talking about the offensive line, you know, for a purpose, really because we had signed Khalif Barnes, Erik Pears, at tackle, and then obviously the trade, which was huge, if you look at the value of that sixth pick, today, that’s a tremendous gift for us. That’s a great trade. Getting Samson traded, getting us the depth there, we’re in good shape. The depth at guard, Cooper, Robert, Paul McQuistan would be the third guy in there, and then you’ve got some other guys that we’ve put in there. I’m trying to think of the names right now. Mark Wilson would be a guy who is cleared now and has come back from the ankle fracture.

Q: Were you intent on getting another receiver, or just couldn’t pass up Murphy?

Cable: Just could not pass him up. Could not pass him up.

Q: Does this young group of receivers have a veteran leader?

Cable: Yeah, that’s a good point. Javon would clearly be the veteran in the group. What we did was we raised the bar at that position, dramatically. And now we’ve got great competition. Can we overcome some of the youthfulness and all that? Probably not, but I think that’s the least of our worries right now, just in terms of getting more production there and better players there.”

Q: Sulak is known for being overly aggressive, is that a concern in terms of penalties?

Cable: None at all. The Raiders need that again. We need more of that. With some discipline along. You can’t be crazy, but you need that attitude.

Q: Would you look at existing veteran free-agent wide receivers?

Cable: You know, I think at this point probably not, because I like the group now. Very satisfied. Did not think Murphy would be there. Had Murphy not been there, that was definitely an option. But now you’ve created, again, another talented guy that can really run. Probably don’t need to do it yet.

Q: A challenge for up/down hybrids to become full-time stand-up guys?

Cable: You’re seeing more and more of that out of the 4-3 teams. That Sam or Will linebacker that on third down’s putting his hand on the ground. We actually did a little study. There’s a tremendous amount of guys that are making that transition, standing up on first and second down and putting their hand down on third. That’s really all over the league now, and some of the very good pass rushers are like that.

Q: Have you done enough to address the issues in run defense?

Cable: We did. First of all, kind of a two-part question there. The run game is kind of addressed a couple of ways. I think that we’ve gotta coach better and clean up some things in terms of what we’re doing, system-wise. I think we’ve addressed that by the coaching staff we’ve hired. And then we’ve got to get better at the linebacker spot. And when I say better, I mean more depth there. That’s really a key for us. You look what happens who we lose a guy, and then we kind of have to piecemeal it together. So this gives us a chance to not have that issue. Mitchell definitely upgrades us if any of you have taken the time to look at him now and see what he is physically. We feel a lot better about it. So we’ve got some good tackles on this football team. They’ve gotta play like it.

Q: Which of the five could play on special teams?

Cable: Actually all five guys we drafted today that was part of it. It’s a great question and that was part of it. My belief in the whole thing was what was their special teams value. You get on the phone with a Louis Murphy and tell him you want to pick him and be an Oakland Raider and the first thing he wanted to know is what is the strength coach’s phone number and can I get on special teams. That’s a great thing. We knew that about him. They all had that characteristic in there. It plays a big role, definitely.

Q: How would you assess how your plan worked out, better than hoped?

Cable: It did. The one thing we had to do was get about three, four key players in free agency and we’re actually stared on that already. When we get done here I’ll go get involved in that. That’s really a key thing for us. I still think we need to find a fullback, maybe another tight end, defensive tackle. Those things jump at me right away. In terms of addressing that in the draft, in some ways we did other than the fullback and the defensive tackle thing but those weren’t priority draft things. They were there if we could do it late, if the right guy was there. If not, we’d go to priority free agents.

Q: So those weren’t part of the four things you need?

Cable: The defensive end definitely was, the receivers were as you knew, the safety was and the tight end. Those were really the keys so we got that done.

Q: These guys seem like good character guys, what happened to the Raiders tradition of castoffs, misfits, etc. . .

Cable: Very much so. If you remember back to week 10, maybe it was week nine
I think. I made a statement to the media team after having a team meeting with just the team and I, the players and I, no coaches, no one else in here and we talked about that issue. If you want to start
winning, if you want to change things around here then the BS has to stop. You have to start living and playing with honor and that means doing things right, with discipline and being selfless. I thought we really took to that the last six weeks and I see it in the offseason program. That’s who I am. I don’t want to do that and inherit a bunch of craziness. At the same time, men are men, boys are boys and they do there things. But I don’t want to bring someone in here that I thought was crazy, that couldn’t fit, that was about him. He had to be about the team. He had to ask me on the phone after we picked him if he could play on special teams. Those kinds of things were really important to me.

Q: Did you mean you’re going to bring in undrafted free agents or veteran free agents?

Cable: It could be both, absoulely. It could be both.

Q: What position is Marcus Johnson going to play?

Cable: Offensive lineman. He’s playing guard.

Q: What do you make of the reports criticizing your picks?

Cable: Well, the first thing you have to know about me is, I don’t need to stand up and beat my chest and say, ‘The hell with everyone.’ I’m going to probably take a statement, if you will, from Bill Walsh. When you find a player you want, go get him. Don’t worry about it. Go get him. And that’s what I did. I’ll take the heat for that. We’ve since had people coming back apologizing, turning on film and saying, ‘Oh, my god, well this guy was going to Chicago, and they admitted that they were going to take him at 49. So, it makes some people look pretty foolish now. But, the bottom line is, I kind of live by that statement from coach Walsh. When you find the one you want, go get it. Don’t let anyone detract you and don’t worry about what they say.

Q: Does it matter much that a player such as Murphy played for a winning team?

Cable: Yeah, that’s a huge point. If you look at every one of these kids. Heyward-Bey kind of up and down but enough you need to say he had a winning record in college. Mike Mitchell won. Shaughnessy won. Mike Mitchell is part of turning around a program that used to be very poor at the University of Ohio. Shaughnessy won a lot of game. Louis Murphy, who we’re talking about directly here, has won two national championships. Not only did he feel like I didn’t have to be the guy but he was also a team captain. So, those qualities you’re talking about. Slade Norris, that program has really taken off in the last few years, that’s doing well at Oregon State. Stryker Sulak, Missouri. That speaks for itself what they’ve been doing lately. Then you look at Brandon Myers. Iowa has consistently been there. They had a couple years prior to this year that were a little up and down. But all of these kids are winners and all of t hem come with leadership and a number of them having been captains.

Q: Did you have any interest or talks regarding Anquan Boldin or Braylon Edwards?

Cable: We did not.

Q: People would call DHB and Mitchell classic size-speed-weight Al Davis picks. Are they Cable picks too? Did you two sell each other on picks?

Cable: We actually had a plan early that we would go out and kind of target the first couple of rounds separately and see where we’re at. The thing was we had one wanted in the first and that was Darrius without question. And two, we both had the same two guys. And it was the same position, we knew who they were, we knew what we wanted to do. So when they both hit it really was kind of unique because we had agreed that’s where we were at. Very much together in it and the rest kind of took care of itself. I think when you look at the draft, the characteristics of the player, athletically, size, speed numbers and all that. Certainly those are Oakland raider numbers, Al davis numbers and all that. At the same time the other things that go with it, my name’s right there with it.

Q: Are some of these players similar to the guys you have?

Cable: Yeah, I think one of the things that sold me on Mike was the fact that I love Tyvon. And I watched him play before he got hurt last year and being a gunner on special teams and his play on defense and said you know what, I want another one like that. I like that so much I want another one. And he got hurt and we missed it. And so I know think what you did is you made yourself better. You’ve got two guys like Tyvon. Again you did nothing but get better. And having been around that last year I really gained fondness for what he’s capable of and what he brought to the table. The great thing about Tyvon is his attitude and how he plays and how he works in the weight room and out on the field. He challenges people in a respectful way. He’s really good.

Q: Is Murphy anything like Schillens?

Cable: They’re similar really because they’re big guys that can run. Yeah. Does the height, weight speed thing fit the raiders thing, absolutely. Does this guy with all those things we just talked about, the championships, the captain, the ability to make plays. Being the outside receiver in a spread offense system which is conducive to coming to pro football. All those things add up. Yeah, maybe there is a comparison.

Q: How were things different for you this year as head coach? A fun experience?

Cable: it was. There some times, the trade with New England to get where we wanted to be to position ourselves. We held on to that second four, got a pick out of it. Carolina was willing to deal with us at the end. Those are kind of tense moments you know leading up to it. Especially day 2 because you’re time is shorter on the clock. But I dig that stuff. I think it’s cool. I liked it. I just think there was a Plan A, Plan B, however it was going to go to make the deal. We were fortunate people worked with us so it was good.

Q: How did you come up with your draft day style?

Cable: We do things here I think in a certain way. I think there’s a lot of fact to that. Whether you want to call it the Al Davis way, the Oakland raider way, it’s our way and one of the things that I’ve learned being here two years prior was the more you do diligence as an assistant coaching staff, the more you get every I dotted, T crossed, and you find and you look and background check and go get some more and find even more. The more you do that, the smoother it is through the process. And that’s what we did and I thought the staff did a great job. I thought the scouts, we were on with them, they were on with us, that’s what really got me excited. We really connected this year and everything worked. We had a plan and we stuck to the plan and we got who we needed to get.

Q: Was it the least contentious draft since you got here?

Cable: Aw come on now, we had fun today and yesterday, that’s the way drafts are supposed to be. There’s heated moments, you’re competing against 31 other teams to make your team better so I’m not going to go there. It’s what it’s supposed to be David.

Q: Seahawks went to Super Bowl with john Marshall defense, what does he bring here?

Cable: There’s two things I mention when I hired him and the reason I hired those guys on defense. One, they’ve been a part of building something, which you just mentioned. They’ve all been a part of playing and coaching and winning Super Bowls. They’ve also lost Super Bowls but they’ve also been to the top of the mountain. I just felt like the experience of all that is what this football team needs. We’ve got some good players. I’m not going to change my deal on that. We’ve got good players. Do we need more? Always, that’s what we’ve been doing the last two days. But they got to put them in the right place, teach them how to do it the right way then get the hell out of the way and let them play and that’s really what my plan was and it’s coming together as I see it.

Q: How different will passing game be with all these young guys?

Cable: I think it’s going to be night and day. Now, does that mean we’re going to be a top-20, top-15, what I’m hoping for? Yeah, we will. When? I’m not sure. But I look at it now and I see, you know what? We can attack you all over the field now. We’ve got guys who can catch and make a play somewhere, they can beat press coverage, they can get up top and run away. So I look at that and I just feel like with Johnnie and Chaz and the improvement those guys made, particularly at the end of the year last year, and add these two new guys in and see if we can get Javon Walker healthy, find out about Arman Shields, what does he bring to the table. You start looking at it and, you know what? We raised the bar. We now have a group at that position that can go out and compete and we’re going to have some pretty high competition at that spot.
All right, thank you.

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Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

  • raiderrej

    Blackdeath29 Says:
    April 26th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
    i get it.cable wants a tuff team.more violent.

    frantz joseph.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNstliEo4Hs&feature=related

    he’s a beast!!! man.. plus he has a chip on his shoulder too!!! MM too, thanks to ufckin Kiper!!! I cant wait to prove them wrong!

  • raiderrej

    dont get me wrong, we still need to win games too, not just be competitive.

  • jhill

    DHB is scouted to have inconsistent hands and thats not a rumor.

    ————————————————–

    How do you define rumor?

    Show me one credible scouting report that doesn’t rate him as the 3rd best WR in this draft, and a 1st round prospect. How do you get rated that high if you can’t catch the ball?

    Again I ask, can anyone tell me how many drops he had last year? There has to be a stat on it, right?

  • priesttj

    Rej, have you seen him play?

  • priesttj

    post a scouting report that says he can’t catch. I want to read it. Why was rated as 1st rnder?

  • Chris in NY

    blackdeath29 Says:
    April 26th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
    delmas-18 pass break ups-3 forced fumbles
    johnson-19 pbu-5 ff
    chung-13 pbu-3 ff
    mcbath-20 pbu-2 ff
    vaughn-22 pbu-1 ff
    mitchell-20 pbu-5 ff
    those are the top safety`s mitchell stacks up.

    ———-

    That’s why I like the Mitchell pick but hate the DHB one. Mitchell has the measurables, he shows at minimum flashes of greatness on his highlight reel and has produced very good stats. I don’t know that DHB has much beyond the measurables.

    One promising thing about DHB is I remember Charlie Casserly saying before the draft that his 40 speed translates to the field — he plays as fast as he runs on the track. The other thing is that Cable called him the best route runner of the top WRs. If both those things are true, maybe a good QB and coaching up of his skills will make him flourish in the pros like he didn’t in college.

    BTW, I figured this before the draft, but I’m pretty sure Javon Walker’s football career is over. The restructure got him a little more money and the Raiders a lot more cap room. I’m guessing that’s all it was about and the Raiders will move on.

  • jhill

    murphy didnt either! So what is your point exactly…

    —————————————————-

    Murphy? I thought we were talking about the Crabtree, Maclin, and DHB, you know, the top WRs in this draft?

    Pro system in terms of being on field day 1 aas opposed to having to learn the route tree? Route tree is over rated? Wondering if bubble screen patterns translate to the NFL is overrated?

    Mail that out to all the NFL GMs and see what they have to say.

  • raiderrej

    Priesttj Says:
    April 26th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
    Rej, have you seen him play?

    other then the same highlight package ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNstliEo4Hs ) that Al Davis and Cable got… No but he looks like a steal!

  • Nnamdi21

    99. Two words SYSTEM FIT.

    Best player available who fit Davis’s particular and unique approach.

    Bey’s speed will guarantee teams can’t stuff the box constantly. He’ll draw interest everytime he sprints down field if we connect on a few long bombs early.

    Bey’s speed will open the middle of the field and give our runners a chance to break inot space.

    Bey seems like such a reach (and he is) but if you consider Maryland’s lack of a quarterback, it gives Bey’s talents a little more perspective.

    Davis’s scheme is differnet than everyone lese and thats a good thing.

    This years draft, if successful, could change the way teams look at the draft and how much they pay some of these guys.

    Davis has always taken pride in scouting small schools and finding hidden talent.

    A good idea back in the analog era, but questionable in the media saturated digital age.

    If even a couple of Davis’s wild picks hit (especially Mitchell) teams may dig a little deeper in drafts to come.

  • raiderrej

    Priesttj Says:
    April 26th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
    post a scouting report that says he can’t catch. I want to read it. Why was rated as 1st rnder?

    im sorry I thought you meant Joseph… but here is matt mayock (0:51) POV http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMT4JheSte0

  • Nnamdi21

    A clue at one of the reasons we passed on Crab…

    Tom Cable:

    “I don’t want to do that and inherit a bunch of craziness. At the same time, men are men, boys are boys and they do there things. But I don’t want to bring someone in here that I thought was crazy, that couldn’t fit, that was about him. He had to be about the team.”

  • Nnamdi21

    Anybody see the giant head thing end of day one? Fuggin Gruden was HILARIOUS!

    Marshall Faulk laughed so hard I thought he’d **** himself.

    Funniest draft moment ever…

  • Ron

    raiderrej Says:
    April 26th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
    now we must brace ourselves for “draft grades” and “worst off-season predictions”
    ——————————————

    Most teams have a draft philosophy of known talent in the early rounds, diamonds-in-the-rough in the middle rounds, then high risk selections at the end. I am not sure if most of us can understand the Raider strategy. Based on the national survey, I am not alone. I also can’t believe that we passed on a couple 330 lb DTs.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/fp/flashPollResultsState?sportIndex=pollindex&pollId=70556

  • priesttj

    “Inconsistent hands” is a far reach from “can’t catch” inconsistent says he needs work. “can’t catch” says “can’t play”. Most recievers cning int the league need work on catching the ball. That’s just a coaching issue. If he works at it he can have great hands. Shannon Sharpe couldn’t catch coming into the league only to put in the work and now is on his way to the HOF. And he was terrible thus the very late pick.

    No question Crabtree had the best hands in the draft but to say a guy can’t catch is a serious indictment.

    He’ll also need help running routes as will Crabtree. But I still thought Crabtree was a monster. I never seen DHB play.

  • raiderrej

    namdi21 Says:
    April 26th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
    99. Two words SYSTEM FIT.

    Best player available who fit Davis’s particular and unique approach.

    Bey’s speed will guarantee teams can’t stuff the box constantly. He’ll draw interest everytime he sprints down field if we connect on a few long bombs early.

    Bey’s speed will open the middle of the field and give our runners a chance to break inot space.

    Bey seems like such a reach (and he is) but if you consider Maryland’s lack of a quarterback, it gives Bey’s talents a little more perspective.

    Davis’s scheme is differnet than everyone lese and thats a good thing.

    This years draft, if successful, could change the way teams look at the draft and how much they pay some of these guys.

    Davis has always taken pride in scouting small schools and finding hidden talent.

    A good idea back in the analog era, but questionable in the media saturated digital age.

    If even a couple of Davis’s wild picks hit (especially Mitchell) teams may dig a little deeper in drafts to come.
    ————————
    1) All of this cant work if we cant hold the line for more then 4-5 seconds.

    2) I can see the point in adding DHB to the roster but didnt we try the same experiment with Randy Moss?

    3) DHB will be overpaid!

  • Crow
  • Trolls 35 Raiders 0

    It looks like you poor souls 🙁 are going to have to put up with buttholeprick’s :mrgreen: post for quite awhile now. 🙄

  • Dude

    Mitchell is so good and such a good prospect that he wasnt even invited to the combine. I would love to know how many guys have been drafted in the 2nd rd who didnt get the combine invite. Wiling to bet its one, Mike Mitchell.

  • alisgod

    Dude Says:
    April 26th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
    I just dont get the love for this B.S. Mike Mitchell pick…. Are you all soley basing your opinion on youtube highlights??
    ———————————–

    Dude, you’re an annoying F’ck you know that. Yes, I use youtube.

    Here is one for you. This is Huff at Texas. His hilites are exactly the way he plays for the Raiders. The tube doesnt lie. Dumba$$.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97VS9_NpC60

    They said he was great by all the experts and that he was physical. Do you see anything great or physical in there?

    Now STFU and go whine on a Niner board you dumb f’ck. Sick and tired of your whining.

    did you miss Mayock apologizing on national tv? Are you so busy wiping Kiper’s a$$?

    Just remember to say you’re sorry the moment he decleats LT ok?

  • blackdeath29

    let`s not forget mike mayock said i have dhb going in the late first.so what does that mean 25 to 32.the guy has first round talent if the raiders took him at #7 or someonr else at 30.he is still a first rounder.

  • Crow

    Actually a highlight clip worth watching, even if it is a practice. A LB that can actually take on and shed blocks? No way could he be a Raider.

  • jhill

    Again Dude,

    you like the player, but just not where he was picked. Why are you harping on where he was picked? It is not you $.

  • blackdeath29

    Dude ,
    wes welker was not invited to the combine.and has been a all-pro 2 years in the row.not being invited to combine meant nothing to him.

  • Crow

    “The tube doesnt lie.”

    Ha. Moron.

  • NoMoreFargas

    Wow what a speed demon. At the 2009 NFL Scouting Combine, Bey ran a blazing 4.30 forty which was the fastest run from all the prospects in the entire combine.

    Physically, Maryland junior receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey is probably the top athlete at his position available this year. He is an early candidate for the fastest 40-time at this month’s combine and at 6’3” 205lbs, he changes direction like someone much smaller. No possession receiver this guy, Heyward-Bey is a true deep threat that will stretch defenses and be a force in the red zone with his great leaping ability and body control.

    Finishing third in Maryland history with 138 receptions, 2nd in receiving yards with 2,089, and tied for third in TD catches with 13, his production says Maryland has a very poor history at wide receiver. Wait, that wasn’t my point. It says that Heyward-Bey is a great athlete that has the burst to separate from corners out of his breaks and did a lot with a little in his 3 seasons. Maryland doesn’t have the best QB history either.

    Heyward-Bey was named First Team Freshman All-America and 2nd Team All-ACC by Sportingnews and Rivals.com in 2006 and earned an honorable mention All-America choice by Pro Football Weekly in 2007. 2008 say him earn another honorable mention All-ACC Conference from the Media. He led Maryland in receptions in each of his three years while setting a team freshman record with 694 receiving yards.

    A near sure fire bet to run a sub-4.4 forty, Heyward-Bey is one of college football’s best athletes. He uses his size and long arms to great effect and bursts off the line of scrimmage. His ability to adjust to poorly thrown balls has created some highlight reel catches, both crossing the middle of the field and along the sideline. Defenders have a hard time getting clean shots at him in the open field as he really knows how to make himself small and he bursts back to top speed after pulling even the toughest moves. He high points the ball very well and will hold onto the ball after taking a big hit. He tracks the ball on deep routes and interestingly has a slight burst on deep routes that allows him to get under overthrown balls that nearly any other receiver would have no shot at. He’s an inconsistent blocker but he can push around the corner when he wants to.

    With no other reliable receiver, not to mention an overmatched offensive line and poor quarterbacks (How the hell did Maryland win 7 games and a Bowl?), Heyward-Bey had the full attention of every secondary and RB Da-Rel Scott took a beating on his way to 1,133 yards and 8 TD, the duo carrying the Terps offense.

    Scouts we’re looking for Heyward-Bey to take a big leap forward in his route-running and his consistency. With how great an athlete he is, Heyward-Bey has always been able to use his sheer explosiveness to create plays. The finer points of his game have not caught up to his potential and 2008 was no different. He can make spectacular catches, ones that few other receivers can make, but he still drops his fair share of the easy ones. His route running has taken only tiny steps forward each year and unless he makes it a point to improve in the pros it will be a while before he sees the field. He dances too much and could use his size more downfield.

    His numbers at the combine were mind boggling and will probably cause some team to gamble that they can ‘coach him up’. Heyward-Bey has the potential to be great, but he has to prove he’s not just a track star in pads. Being the focal point of defenses since his first year really opened eyes and we’ve seen some great things from over the years but we haven’t seen the major improvements to his game that he’s capable of. Maybe the NFL brings the best out of him but right now he’s a much better athlete than football player. Teams should be wary of spending too high a pick on his physical skills.

  • NoMoreFargas

    If he pans out he will be a major deep threat hope he works out can’t teach sub 4.3 speed and vertical .

  • Dude

    Alisgod,

    So you admit you are basing your opinion strictly on youtube. LOL! Did you happen to notice they replayed the same hits over and over at different angles?

    STFU with your irrational Al Davis bootlicking garbage. Your jaw must be tired from sarkn so much Al pickle. Go watch some more youtube.

  • Nnamdi21

    115.

    1. Raiders rated in the top 6 past 2 years in the run game. Should open things up for the pass. If you watched some of the games last year, you’d see the deep half was open. Just didn’t have the receivers.

    2. Yes. Except Moss had Andrew Walter at quarterback and Robert Gallery at left tackle.

    3. You are correct sir.

    Thats more part of the current system than an indictment of Bey or Davis.

    I think once the hype dies, teams will disect this and come to different conclusions than the knee jerk “WTF?!” reaction.

    Bey went too high, but fully SIX wide outs went in the first round compared to ZERO last year.

    Bey may not have been there if we traded back too far.

    I can see the logic in these picks. I just hope they pan out.

  • Crow

    # NoMoreFargas Says:
    April 26th, 2009 at 8:38 pm

    If he pans out he will be a major deep threat hope he works out can’t teach sub 4.3 speed and vertical .
    _________________________________________________

    Can’t teach it, but don’t need it. Seems like people would catch on to that eventually.

  • Nnamdi21

    Dude Says:
    April 26th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
    Alisgod,

    So you admit you are basing your opinion strictly on youtube. LOL! Did you happen to notice they replayed the same hits over and over at different angles?

    STFU with your irrational Al Davis bootlicking garbage. Your jaw must be tired from sarkn so much Al pickle. Go watch some more youtube.

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    Judging by your posts you don’t even use youtube to “form” your opinions.

    “The problem with genius is those who aren’t may not understand.”

    MVH

  • Dude

    I dont mind DHB as a player but to take him at 7 is stupid and taking him over Crabtree is gonna hurt for alot of years. Fact is, DHB is gettn the short end of the stick coming to the circus that is Al Davis’s Raiders. Whens the last time the Raiders actually developed a top notch first round prospect? Based on DHBs reaction to being picked by the Raiders, he knows it.

  • jhill

    He uses his size and long arms to great effect and bursts off the line of scrimmage. His ability to adjust to poorly thrown balls has created some highlight reel catches, both crossing the middle of the field and along the sideline. Defenders have a hard time getting clean shots at him in the open field as he really knows how to make himself small and he bursts back to top speed after pulling even the toughest moves. He high points the ball very well and will hold onto the ball after taking a big hit. He tracks the ball on deep routes and interestingly has a slight burst on deep routes that allows him to get under overthrown balls that nearly any other receiver would have no shot at …

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    This doesn’t sound like a guy who can’t catch. I’m still waiting on those drop #s … Was it as bad as say Braylon Edwards?

  • jhill

    Based on DHBs reaction to being picked by the Raiders, he knows it.

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    What was his reaction?

  • Dude

    I looked and I cant find any stats for drops for any college player. However, do you find it weird that EVERY scouting report/scout says the same thing about the guy: Blazing speed, inconsistent hands.

  • YoungAmerican

    Crow says:

    “The tube doesnt lie.”

    Ha. Moron.

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    Come on, man, didn’t you know? YouTube is the most objective source of information LYK EVAR.

  • dickv

    DHB was a reach, but the end of the day they liked him. They made the case that he was their guy. He brings the skill set the desperately needed.

    Mitchell same story. Chicago has confirmed that they were going to take Mitchell and that when he wasn’t there they traded out of the pick. Do any of you haters no more about defense than Lovie Smith.

    Matt s. He adds depth, Bulk, and versatility: he can play both end spots with his blend of speed and size and he can also come down and play maybe the 3 technique.

    Murphy is insurance on the DHB pick. The man is a hard worker and is the son of a pastor. He has strong character and can fly. You can’t teach leadership, nor can you teach speed.

    Slade is what you were all hoping for with Zack Follet from Cal. A sam LB that can get after the QB. Except the raiders liked him more: a lot more.

    Stryker adds more depth at LB and DE. Another tweener. Depth and versatility.

    Myers is one of my favorites. i feel vindicated that Cable said they were targeting him or Pascoe. Inline blocker that gives the raiders instant depth at the TE position.

    i can honestly say that now that I see the plan and how it was executed I am willing to buy into it. Cable is a salesman. I respect that if there were some differences, Cable is a pro and knows that the team has gotten better and his job is to coach up the players that are here.

  • jhill

    Do you have any other material other than ESPN garbage?

  • edward teach

    Funny, I was reading Bill Williamson’s take on the AFC West draft a few minutes ago, and the title of the article was “Raiders and Broncos Ignore Biggest Needs”.

    He writes that Tom Cable identified offensive tackle as Oakland’s biggest need in this year’s draft. I read the pre-draft press conference word for word and could find nothing to that effect. He was asked about the teams needs, and his reply was that they had identified four possitions of need and were targeting four specific players to fill those needs. When asked what they were, he said “I’m not going to tell you”. He hinted at safety and wide receiver, but that was it. He was asked about the tackles in this draft and spoke highly of four of them in particular (even said that as an O-line coach by trade he would of course love to coach one of them), but at no time did he identify OT as a need position, much less our “biggest” one. In fact, today he specifically mentioned talking them up “for a purpose”, which would have to mean that he wanted teams to think they would take one so the Raiders could potentially trade down (to get DHB lower and add picks, presumably).

    Where do these writers come up with this stuff?

  • raiderrej

    Nnamdi21 Says:
    April 26th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
    115.

    1. Raiders rated in the top 6 past 2 years in the run game. Should open things up for the pass. If you watched some of the games last year, you’d see the deep half was open. Just didn’t have the receivers.

    2. Yes. Except Moss had Andrew Walter at quarterback and Robert Gallery at left tackle.

    3. You are correct sir.

    Thats more part of the current system than an indictment of Bey or Davis.

    I think once the hype dies, teams will disect this and come to different conclusions than the knee jerk “WTF?!” reaction.

    Bey went too high, but fully SIX wide outs went in the first round compared to ZERO last year.

    Bey may not have been there if we traded back too far.

    I can see the logic in these picks. I just hope they pan out.

    1) we were 10th in running, but yes i could agree with you on the concept but again we didnt address both sides of the line this entire draft!

    2) Moss had Kerry Collins (ProBowl) and Brooks (underachiever) before Walters… Im kinda sad to say that the style of football Cable wants to play is outdated! I wish we can stick to smash mouth, run the ball, position receivers moving chains!

  • jhill

    He can make spectacular catches, ones that few other receivers can make, but he still drops his fair share of the easy ones.

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    Tell me a WR that doesn’t drop his fair share of easy ones. How about focusing on the part right before that?

    You know, the part about spectacular catches that few others can make?

    Casserly said that he thinks he needs to see a vision guy. He doesn’t see any problems with his hands, but sometimes it seems like the ball gets on him too quickly. Casserly said that he’s seen that before and Bey just needs to get into the vision guy, i.e some better contacts.

  • Dude

    I got a little ” Oh mama they DID take me” from it. Go watch it and see what you think. Let me know if you find it, I would like to watch it again.

  • priesttj

    NMF, thanks man, it is as close to what I imagined about DHB. He’s still raw as a talent (work ethic) no problem. Has an aggressive game and will take n the defense. Makes highlight reel catches. The inconsistent hands is just a matter of concentration. Even great players will have an occasional bad game. which is what I believe Mayock meant.
    Bad QB play and lousy Oline speak to his stats.

    All we’re talking about is the kid getting the proper coaching and playing with other players as talented as he is…………period

    This kid will see single coverage due to the talent accumulated on this offense. he could grow in leaps and bounds. If they double him Zach will eat them up. with JLH and Chaz he is no longer a one man band.

    Rej I didn’t see anything in that scouting report that said he can’t catch. And Mayock had him as a late 1st rnder……….nuff said.

  • dickv

    Crow,

    i can’t agree with you don’t need speed. after watching Curry, and Porter slug around for the last couple of years, i am all for infusing more speed into the position.

    The raiders had below avg speed and the WR took a while to get open. the line could not hold the blocks for more than 2 seconds. This made for a situation where Jamarcus had a very small window of a half second to make a decision. The raiders have marginally gotten better on the o line. The extra speed opens up the window a little wider.

    Jamarcus needs to help himself by loosing weight and going through the reads just that much faster. In the End the raiders have gotten better. The offense will open up just that much more.

  • holla4LosT

    DID CRABTREES eyes looked glazed during the draft???

    I thought he was crying cuz he wasn’t the first wr drafted…

    Chetan Chaudhers of KDOW 1220 “The Sports Ramble” just stated that Crabtree is a admitted pot smoker…

    He then says this sounds more like a Raider pick and that its ok – because I’m sure Singletary won’t be concerned as long as Crabtree doesn’t light up in the locker room…

    Imagine if this was a RAIDER pick…It would be all over the news…Hypocrites!

    JUST BOMB-BEY BABY!!!

  • Final thoughts….

    1st round:

    DHB would have been an ok pick if Eugene Monroe wasn’t available, forget Crabtree vs DHB, it’s Mario Henderson vs Monroe from now on, Mario better turn out as good as Monroe is supposed to be and DHB better be good too.

    2nd round:

    Mike Mitchell, I don’t care, I have watched big and fast, highly touted, big school prospects Patrick Bates and Derrick Gibson fail before, maybe this small school guy turns out to be the real deal, if not…I’ll get over it.

    3rd round:

    Matt Shaugnessy, nice size, speed, athleticism and a hard worker…was really coming on and on track for a great senior year, which would have made him a higher pick, but he broke a leg in the spring and then his brother died just before the season, he didn’t have the season everyone expected.

    4th round:

    Louis Murphy, completes the biggest, fastest, WR trio in the NFL….DHB, Chaz and Murphy all stand at least 6’2 200 and can run 4.3 forties.

    Slade Norris

    I like this guy, he was a reach but the fact is he combines great speed and athletic abiliy with big time production, his role is yet to be determined but I think he’ll play in this league, should begin as a ST demon.

    6th round

    Stryker Sulak, if Norris was a reach, Sulak was probably a steal here so it evens things out.

    Another hybrid edge player, similar to Trevor Scott and Greyson Gunheim, we are collecting some good looking pass rushing projects…Scott, Gunheim and Sulak all stand 6’5, weight between 250-265 and can really run.

    Brandon Myers, nice pick, Iowa OL and TE’s are very well coached and fundamentally sound…this report says it all:

    “Myers is more of a blocking tight end. He serves as an extra lineman more than as a pass catcher. Iowa does a great job of developing run-blocking tight ends. Myers should help the Raiders’ running game.”

  • 24

    Well. We came away with 2 WR’s for a position of need. We came away with a Safety which was a need. We got 3 DE’s who can be switched to linebacker. Maybe John Marshall will be different and blitz these guys from the strong side linebacker position? Who knows. Then we added some talent at the TE to help with blocking. My favorite pick is Mike Mitchell at this point. This draft doesn’t look good at first sight but we can make the true determination 3 years from now. I like Mitchell because the guy hurts people and I’d love to see some of that from our defense.

    I would like to see Mike Mitchell and Tyvon Branch claim the FS/SS positions so we can have 2 guys that can knock peoples heads off. That would make our Defense more exciting if anything.

  • edward teach

    Jhill… Thanks for posting the Casserly comment. Very interesting take from someone who’s seen enough football to know about stuff like that.

  • blackdeath29

    the raiders just need to do want they did on offense at the last 3 games and they will be fine.they added speed to the offense today and o-lineman in free agency.they are better than last year just sign as many 300+ rookie free agents as possible.you only need to be right on one.

  • jhill

    i can’t agree with you don’t need speed. after watching Curry, and Porter slug around for the last couple of years, i am all for infusing more speed into the position.

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    And before that Tim Brown and Jerry Rice.

    Some of you can’t see what’s coming? When was the last time we had these type of WRs AND a QB who could get them the ball?

    Kerry Collins at the time we had him? Are you serious?

    Rich Gannon couldn’t throw it more than 15 yards down the field.

    I LOVE the fact that we won’t be seeing true projects like Watkins, and Holland any more. To have Schillens as the 4th WR makes us that much better. That’s no knock on him per se, but he’s a much better 4th WR than Watkins or Holland. JLH is perfect in the slot, and Murphy and DHB can handle the #1 and #2 spot.

  • We are gonna take who we want and fcuk everyone who doesn’t like it. Cable is starting to grow on me. the talent at the top on the draft was weak and over valued. I would of liked if they drafted defense the rest of the draft though.