Filling out the roster
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, April 27th, 2009 at 1:30 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders typically don’t announce undrafted free agents until they show up at the first minicamp (unless they’re on the Chris Johnson secret-signing plan and they don’t announce it at all).
Various reports have the Raiders signing Florida Atlantic linebacker Frantz joseph, Kent State wide receiver Shawn Bayes and linebacker David Nixon so far.
The San Francisco Chronicle is also reporting the signing of Harvard defensive end Desmond Bryant.
You’ll find many of the reports before I do, and the players will probably end up coming to camp with the Raiders.
Chances of any of them making on the Week 1 53-man roster are slim, however, although you get the occasional John Madsen and Chris Carr.
Others, like Louis Rankin and Marcel Reece last year, make the pracitce squad and eventually get called to the 53-man roster.
But beware _ they’re not Raiders until they show up on May 8. There have been write-ups in local papers in past years which have players signing with the Raiders only to find out they had not, and instances when local reporters are checking in with players they’re sure have signed with the Raiders, only to find out otherwise.
It happened with a linebacker a couple of years ago, I want to say it was Cal Poly-SLO linebacker Jordan Beck, who later did come in for a tryout, but never did sign a contract.
You really don’t know for sure until they arrive at minicamp.
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April 27th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
1st!
April 27th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
I like the two WR’s we got, and the two DE’s and TE seemed like good value.
I am hung up on this Mitchell guy. He is the Kimbo Slice of the draft until proven otherwise. All hype and “cool” you tube videos.
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I’ve been waiting for someone to bring up the Kimbo Slice argument. Here is the diff…Kimbo was fighting nobodys. Mitchell was lighting up those guys in Red Jerseys…you know OSU.
As a matter of fact, look at the tube again…early in the vid, see how he was playing the right side and at the last second recognized the pass down the middle…see how fast he changed his hips and recovered and how leveled that OSU receiver?
There is another shot of him still counting the offense when the play started, see how fast he went from playing the left side to switching back to the right and leveled that receiver?
That’s what I look at. What do you guys look at?
April 27th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
so what pot smokers BIG DEAL
April 27th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
GO GET LEROY HILL!
April 27th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Pot smokers are the BEST people in da whole world.So there =)
April 27th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
anyone watch Rome is burning.. LOL
April 27th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
So Mitchell the starting SS or what AlisGod?
April 27th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Sorry Alisgod, only a retard like you would proclaim that a “new Al Davis” has emerged who is allowing Cable to bring in “high character guys” when one of the guys we drafted was suspended from his team for multiple games and the LT we signed was convicted of DUI and went on a rampage about the city he was playing in.
Did your mother take too many meds while you were in the oven?
April 27th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
4evaRaider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Pot smokers are the BEST people in da whole world.So there =)
This is true
April 27th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
more raider bashing!!! and video of DHB fumbling!!! what a tool!
April 27th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
I dont even wanna hear Rome smash the raiders today. Cant watch it
April 27th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
is this because you cant do your job jerry???
You’ll find many of the reports before I do, and the players will probably end up coming to camp with the Raiders
April 27th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
If I had your job jerry I would get all the Raider news 1st
April 27th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
So Mitchell the starting SS or what AlisGod?
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He will be a safety and play both. Cable said that as much. Brien, I know you not happy with the draft. Tyvon and Mitchell are going to be our safeties.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Dakota Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Sorry Alisgod, only a retard like you would proclaim that a “new Al Davis” has emerged who is allowing Cable to bring in “high character guys” when one of the guys we drafted was suspended from his team for multiple games and the LT we signed was convicted of DUI and went on a rampage about the city he was playing in.
Did your mother take too many meds while you were in the oven?
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I understand one can always make statements on here…but I know it is hard to have a logical debate…I realize you’d have to use your braincells and that is a tough task considering the agony of losing the last 6 years you’d been suferring through…make that since 1983 in your case.
I may not know much but at least I know not to quote things that points out holes in my argument like you do…dumb fck!
April 27th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Alisgod,
I am pulling for the guy and the furthest thing from the guys on here bashing the Raiders and hating Davis. I think the trade from #40 down to #47, and getting both Mitchell and Murphy was a great use of the pick to get what they wanted.
I use the Kimbo analogy, because all we see is the good of Mitchell. The guy didn’t even make all-conference 3rd team, wasn’t invited to any senior bowls, east-west or the combine. If he ran a 4.62, Al would never have drafted him. He rose from nowhere to the 2nd round in about 3 weeks, without ever being “punched in the mouth” so to speak. Let’s just hope his moment in the spotlights last more than 11 seconds like Kimbo.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Can you imagine Raiders wild-cat formation??? Bey taking a fake reverse and the field is wide open for anyone to score!!! i cant wait to here Papa “Toooouuuuuuuuchdoooooowwwwwwnnnn RRRRRRaaaayyyydaaaaazzz!!!” im still hyped even if you dont have crabtree!
April 27th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
raiderrej Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
more raider bashing!!! and video of DHB fumbling!!! what a tool!
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Problem with DHB is he makes spectacular plays but he drops the easy ones from what I have read and seen. BSPN and youtube shows him catching balls with one hand…the problem is he drops the ones with two hands….I will reserve judgement on him…
April 27th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
2 Rookie Safeties, great!
April 27th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Alisgod,
Don’t get pissed at me because you said something stupid and I pointed it out. Please, keep preaching to everyone about the new and improved Al Davis and him allowing Cable to bring in high character guys.
We’ll all just try to ignore reality like you do…then maybe your comment will start to make sense.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
I hear you Vegas. I cannot argue with the fact you have mentioned about being mentioined in their conference. I do know that he went unnoticed and 15 teams brought him in. Bears and Cowgirls were going to take him in 2nd and 3rd. He would have been gone.
I trust that the scouts at Oakland, Chicago, and Cowgirls have the film on him. But think of it this way, I heard that there were over 12k candidates for the combine so certainly someone is going to be missed.
My real concern is can he stay healthy with the way he plays.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Vegas post 16-nice.at least you present an argument for your doubt other than-this guy sucks,i hate him,we could have had so and so(who btw no one else wanted) Al is crazy,etc.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
why does “Rome” have the Pros vs Joes host and that dating show host from blind date doing sporting analysis???
April 27th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
LOL the Pros vs Joes guy said “raider fans should kill themselves” in a nutshell… WTF
April 27th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
I think one thing through it all, is we somewhat improved in the offseason so far and the rest of our division really hasn’t.
We kept the same coach, the only coach who stayed is Norv, probably the only one we would have liked to stay put. Denver has no QB, no D, and there rookie DB was the only guy DHB torched in college. SD pissed off LT, did nothing in FA, and reached for a rookie LB. KC got an unproven coach, reached at #3 for a non-elite player, got rid of there only offensive weapon, and brought in a QB used to the Patriots way (only he is not in New England anymore).
Meanwhile, we addressed two of our biggest weaknesses, WR and O-line, our young guys should improve with another year, and we have replaced an idiot DC with a proven DC.
The division is ours next year!!! (As is the last-placed finish against the run again too, lol)
April 27th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Raiders select OSU’s Norris in 4th round
Sunday, April 26 | 11:13 p.m.
THE COLUMBIAN
Slade Norris
The Oakland Raiders’ willingness to walk to their own beat at the NFL draft benefitted one Clark County product.
Oregon State defensive lneman Slade Norris, who grew up in Battle Ground and attended St. Joseph Catholic School in Vancouver before attending high school at Jesuit of Portland, was a fourth-round pick of the Oakland Raiders on Sunday.
Norris spent Sunday at his parents’ house in Camas with friends when he got the call from the Raiders. And even he was caught by surprise.
“Coming into this, I was thinking seventh round, possibly sixth round,” Norris told The Oregonian on Sunday. “And fourth round? That was like a dream. I never imagined I would get picked up this early.”
Raiders coach Tom Cable said Oakland will use the 6-foot-2, 232-pound Norris as an outside linebacker.
Norris was prepared to try to make an NFL roster as an undrafted free agent — a road with which he is very familiar.
Norris suffered a broken collarbone during his junior season at Jesuit and missed most of the season. Five games into his senior season, he broke his leg, ending his season.
After that, Norris went to Oregon State as a walk-on safety. He eventually was moved to defensive end, where he teamed with Victor Butler to form one of the top pass rushing combinations in the Pacific-10 Conference.
Butler was selected earlier in the fourth round by the Dallas Cowboys. Six Oregon State players were drafted last weekend, the most since 1967.
Norris finished last season with 18.5 tackles for loss and 10 sacks.
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lol, even Norris thought he was a reach.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
about time Jerry!!
April 27th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Dakota Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Alisgod,
Don’t get pissed at me because you said something stupid and I pointed it out. Please, keep preaching to everyone about the new and improved Al Davis and him allowing Cable to bring in high character guys.
We’ll all just try to ignore reality like you do…then maybe your comment will start to make sense.
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So you want to change the argument about Murphy and go back to Al. Sure let’s do battle.
1. Most of us on here agreed that this offseason was one of the better ones in a long long time. We took a risk with Barnes but for 1 year. Nothing wrong with that. Where do you find that Barnes was a cancer in his locker room? We’re talking locking room here.
2. When was the last time you can remember that we drafted football players all throughout the draft? certainly you can remember Routt, Morant, Curry, Porter and so on….Even last year’s draft were reaches with Trevor Scott and Chilens (that we got lucky on)
I think any debate that goes more than 2 points will be hard for you to follow.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Vegas-we didn’t finish last against the run,but we were last passing the ball.and our total def. was rated higher than our total off.,but everyone seems to want to overlook that.
April 27th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
I’m pulling for Slade, those Oregon State guys no how to come together and overcome the fact that they are inferior in talent. Probably a special-teamer and that is it, but man, what a cool name!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Vegas,
If Mitchell ran 4.62, he would have never had those hilite reels to get us excited. Look at how fast he recovers and allows him to arrive on time throughout the video. There’s another guy in USC that has similar build/production and I guarantee you he is going to be top 5 pick next year.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Vegas-we didn’t finish last against the run,but we were last passing the ball.and our total def. was rated higher than our total off.,but everyone seems to want to overlook that.
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Your preaching to the choir my friend, I was one of the few who wanted Crabs at #7. Didn’t think they would do DHB, but it is what it is. Just wish they would have thrown a bone to the Run D, safeties aren’t really the answer, and both DE seems like better pass-rushers than run stoppers.
Al is going to try to outscore teams, which isn’t a bad idea. At least it seems like a plan. Score points, play good on special teams, and pray for penalties or turnovers on D, lol.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
I dunno Vegas,Norris had 19 sacks in 2 years against Pac-10 teams.Seems like a hard-nosede player 2 me,I hope!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
i don’t know, man…
i’ve carried a lot of water for Davis over the past 16 months…
drank a lot of damn koolaid…
but this is the goofiest draft in Raiders history…
GOOFY…
April 27th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
“Mitchell is the highest-drafted player of this decade not to have been invited to the combine”– per Peter King.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Shaughnessy forced 14 fumbles in 2 years as a DE.He must be around the ball alot and in the back-field.Nessy can play the run consistently,imo
April 27th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Alisgod…I know you want to ignore what you said, but the fact remains you claimed there is a “new Al” and he is allowing Cable to bring in “high character guys”. That was the comment I attacked and you can’t defend it.
Keep trying my retarded little friend.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
This is the current UFA list – anyone not on the list could be with us?
Arizona Cardinals: Justin Brown (WR) Hampton
Arizona Cardinals: Michael Ray Garvin (CB/KR) Florida State
Arizona Cardinals: Tony Davis (FS) Penn State
Atlanta Falcons: Aaron Kelly (WR) Clemson
Baltimore Ravens: Drew Willy (QB) Buffalo
Baltimore Ravens: William Johnson (DT) Michigan
Buffalo Bills: Joel Bell (OT) Furman
Buffalo Bills: Travis McCall (Util)
Buffalo Bills: David Lindquist (DT)
Carolina Panthers: Anthony Heygood (LB) Purdue
Carolina Panthers: Kevin Brock (TE) Rutgers
Carolina Panthers: Graham Harrell (QB) Texas Tech
Carolina Panthers: Gerald Cadogan
Carolina Panthers: Jason Chery (WR) Louisiana Lafayette
Chicago Bears: Eric Peterman (WR) Northwestern
Chicago Bears: Dahna Deleston (S) Connecticut
Chicago Bears: Mike Rivera (LB) Kansas
Cincinnati Bengals: Greg Orton (TE) Purdue
Cincinnati Bengals: Dan Skuta
Cincinnati Bengals: Marlon Lucky
Cincinnati Bengals: Chris Pressley (FB) Wisconsin
Cleveland Browns: Jordan Norwood (WR) Penn State
Dallas Cowboys: Kevin Ogletree (WR) Virginia
Denver Broncos: Travis Shelton (WR) Temple
Denver Broncos: Everette Pedescleaux
Denver Broncos: Lucas Taylor (WR) Tennessee
Denver Broncos: Domonique Jackson (CB) Jackson State
Denver Broncos: Lee Robinson (LB) Alcorn State
Denver Broncos: Chris Baker (DT) Hampton
Detroit Lions: John Gill (DT) Northwestern
Green Bay Packers: Tyrell Sutton (RB) Northwestern
Green Bay Packers: Kole Heckendorf (WR) North Dakota State
Green Bay Packers: Carson Butler (TE) Michigan
Green Bay Packers: Andy Brodell (WR) Iowa
Green Bay Packers: Jamarko Simmons (WR) Western Michian
Green Bay Packers: JaRon Harris (WR) South Dakota State
Houston Texans: Jason Watkins (OT) Florida
Houston Texans: Tim Jamison (DE) Michigan
Houston Texans: Arian Foster (RB) Tennessee
Indianapolis Colts: Pat Kuntz (DT) Notre Dame
Indianapolis Colts: Tim Masthay (P) Kentucky
Indianapolis Colts: Cornelius Lewis (OT) Tennessee State
Indianapolis Colts: Adrian Grady (DT) Louisville
Jacksonville Jaguars: Jason English (WR) Tuskgee
Jacksonville Jaguars: Peter Ittersagen (CB) Wheaton
Jacksonville Jaguars: Nathan Brown (QB) Central Arkansas
Jacksonville Jaguars: Kevin Patterson (S) Wake Forest
Jacksonville Jaguars: George Hypolite
Jacksonville Jaguars: Todd Peterson
Kansas City Cheifs: Pierre Walters
Miami Dolphins: Jared Bronson (TE) Central Washington
Miami Dolphins: Mark Lewis (OG) Oregon
Miami Dolphins: Ryan Baker (DE) Purdue
Miami Dolphins: Orion Martin (DE/OLB) Virginia Tech
Minnesota Vikings: Andy Schantz (LB) Portland State
Minnesota Vikings: DeVon Hall (S) Utah State
Minnesota Vikings: Robert Francois (LB) Boston College
Minnesota Vikings: Andy Kemp (OG) Wisconsin
Minnesota Vikings: Ian Johnson (RB) Boise State
Minnesota Vikings: Jon Cooper (C) Oklahoma
Minnesota Vikings: Vinny Perretta (WR) Boise State
New England Patriots: Marcus McClinton (S) Kentucky
New England Patriots: Brad Hoyer (QB) Michigan State
New England Patriots: Jamar Love (CB) Arkansas
New Orleans Saints: Danny Gorrer (CB) Texas A&M
New Orleans Saints: Cedric Dockery (OG) Texas
New Orleans Saints: Jonathan Casillas (OLB) Wisconsin
New York Giants: Maurice Evans (DE) Penn State
New York Jets: Andrew Davie (TE) Arkansas
New York Jets: Jamal Westerman (DE) Rutgers
New York Jets: Robert Myers (TE) Utah State
New York Jets: T.J. Conley (P) Idaho
New York Jets: Matt Kroul
New York Jets: Zach Potter
New York Jets: J’Nathan Bullock (TE) Cleveland State
New York Jets: Emanuel Cook (S) South Carolina
Philadelphia Eagles: Marcus Thigpen
Pittsburgh Steelers: Mark Estermyer (LS) Pittsburgh
Pittsburgh Steelers: Mike Reilly (QB) Central Washington
Pittsburgh Steelers: Ramon Foster (OT) Tennessee
San Diego Chargers: Darry Beckwith (LB) LSU
San Diego Chargers: Ryan McDonald (OL) Illinois
San Diego Chargers: James Holt (LB) Kansas
San Francisco 49ers: Jahi Word-Daniels (CB) Georgia Tech
San Francisco 49ers: Kory Sheets (RB) Purdue
San Francisco 49ers: Pannel Egboh (DE) Stanford
San Francisco 49ers: Carlos Thomas (CB) South Carolina
San Francisco 49ers: Alex Boone (OT) Ohio State
Seattle Seahawks: Michael X. Bennett (DE) Texas A&M
Seattle Seahawks: Tony Fain (LB) Ole Miss
Seattle Seahawks: Devin Moore (RB) Wyoming
Seattle Seahawks: David Philistin (LB) Maryland
Seattle Seahawks: Andre Ramsey (OT) Ball State
Seattle Seahawks: Tyler Roehl (RB) North Dakota State
St. Louis Rams: Mark Rubin (S) Penn State
St. Louis Rams: Roger Allen (OG) Missouri Western
St. Louis Rams: Dominic Douglas (LB) Mississippi State
St. Louis Rams: Ian Campbell (DE) Kansas State
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Rashaad Duncan () Pitt
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Rob Bruggeman
Tampa Bay Buccaneers: Andre Douglas (OT) Temple
Tennessee Titans: Dudley Guice
Tennessee Titans: Mitch King (DE) Iowa
Tennessee Titans: Ryan Schmidt (OG) USF
Washington Redskins: Chase Daniel (QB) Missouri
Washington Redskins: Scott Burley (OT) Maryland
Washington Redskins: Edwin Williams (C) Maryland
Washington Redskins: Doug Dutch (DB) Michigan
Washington Redskins: Josh Briscoe (WR) Tennessee
Washington Redskins: Jaison Williams (WR) Oregon
April 27th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
I think Cable got in Al’s ear a little on the high character guys, and Al got in Cable’s ear about the speed thing. So hopefully they met in the middle, because all these guys are fast and high-character. But can they play???
April 27th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Man all these big producers on defense.I think we will be vastly improved on D.High(real high)motor guys .Real footballers just like we wanted YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
April 27th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
why Pete because they didn’t take anyone you wanted?i saw a lot of no name picks-so called reaches-this last weekend.NE and did it as much as anyone,yet you don’t hear the pundits knocking them.in fact they talk about how those org. always look for diamonds in the rough.with us they laugh because they hate,yes KK they hate,the Raiders probably because we aren’t media friendly and don’t kiss their a$$es.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
LOL, guys still preaching that Barnes is a catch…
btw, how does you value Barnes as a character guy, high or low…. i hope its low, because otherwise you might as well expect snow in sahara tomorrow…
April 27th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Dakota,
Again, it is always easy to make statements. I just would like to hear some logic from you sometimes.
I can’t stand LMN but at least he does make sense at times. Even he, an Al Davis hater, admitted that we took characters this year.
The old Al davis is all about misfits…why didnt we bring in TO when the whole league htought we would?
Again, you want to continue blabing or actually have a logical debate.
You said Murphy was not a character guy but you can’t answer the fact that he was so highly thought of that he was nominated Captain of his NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP team? Why do you think they call him the comeback kid?
April 27th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Creedance Clearwater is starting up…
what are they singing???
“Who’ll Stop the Run???”
Long as I remember The run’s been comin’ down.
Running Backs a grindin’ and rushing on the ground.
Good men through the ages, Tryin’ to find the sun;
And I wonder, Still I wonder, Who’ll stop the run.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
I see DHB having a few 1 catch 9 yard games, and some 6 catch 167 yard games. Does that inconsistency warrant the #7 pick, probably not. But I would be willing to bet someone in the top 6 picks ends up having a worst career than DHB. And I highly doubt ESPN will apologize.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
NE and Dallas……
April 27th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
So Kool-Aid drinkers, now that we have had such a great draft, and we have put together such an accomplished coaching staff, and now that Al has turned over a new leaf, and all the AFC West teams now suck and we know the 2009 schedule, what do you think our record will be next season? 12-4? 11-5?
April 27th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
I like Louis Murphy, and if we would have taken him in the second and Mitchell in the fourth, nobody would have batted an eye. So I say, “What’s the difference?”
April 27th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
the kid got caught with hemp as a freshman in college-god what a thug.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Chances of any of them making on the Week 1 53-man roster are slim, however, although you get the occasional John Madsen and Chris Carr.
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Jerry that is flat out depressing!
other undrafted guys have stuck more recently include Darrick Brown, Jon Condo, Derrick Gray, Greyson Gunheim & Darrell Strong.
Plus key contributers such as Ricky Brown, Isaiah Ekejiuba, Hiram Eugene & Tommy Kelly were undrafted.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Dakota Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
So Kool-Aid drinkers, now that we have had such a great draft, and we have put together such an accomplished coaching staff, and now that Al has turned over a new leaf, and all the AFC West teams now suck and we know the 2009 schedule, what do you think our record will be next season? 12-4? 11-5?
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8-8, 9-7. Tough schedule. Competing for the division and focusing on the D-line next year in the draft to take it to the next level. I know you want to believe in it my man, you can do it. Tom Cable is the best O-line coach in football, if he likes the line, than we all should.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
I think Cable got in Al’s ear a little on the high character guys, and Al got in Cable’s ear about the speed thing. So hopefully they met in the middle, —”
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They DID meet in the middle. This draft is full of halfast characters.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Dakota,
Again, it is always easy to make statements. I just would like to hear some logic from you sometimes.
I can’t stand LMN but at least he does make sense at times. Even he, an Al Davis hater, admitted that we took characters this year.
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# alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Vegas,
If Mitchell ran 4.62, he would have never had those hilite reels to get us excited. Look at how fast he recovers and allows him to arrive on time throughout the video. There’s another guy in USC that has similar build/production and I guarantee you he is going to be top 5 pick next year.
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talking about easy statements
April 27th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
I think Cable got in Al’s ear a little on the high character guys, and Al got in Cable’s ear about the speed thing. So hopefully they met in the middle, because all these guys are fast and high-character. But can they play???
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You are absolutely correct!
We got speed monsters that happens to be football players this year.
Mitchell vs Routt: Mitchell is a football player with speed. Routt is a speedster that happens to play football.
obviously time will tell but dont tell me these guys we drafted are not football players.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
“Mitchell is the highest-drafted player of this decade not to have been invited to the combine”– per Peter King.
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Peter King is the highest functioning moron on national TV.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Dakota Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
So Kool-Aid drinkers, now that we have had such a great draft, and we have put together such an accomplished coaching staff, and now that Al has turned over a new leaf, and all the AFC West teams now suck and we know the 2009 schedule, what do you think our record will be next season? 12-4? 11-5?
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there is a formula for this…
first we must determine the number of 175 yard rushing games we give up…
find the percentage based on 16 games…
subtract this from 1.000
take this number and multiply by 16…
round fractions downward…
there you have it…
April 27th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Dakota
we will be 6-10 because we cannot stop the run.
Florida Pete said it best Post #44
Who will stop the run???
April 27th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Sat, Aug 30 Eastern Washington W 49-24 —
Sat, Sep 6 at Nevada W 35-19 —
Sat, Sep 13 Southern Methodist W 43-7 —
Sat, Sep 20 Massachusetts W 56-14 —
Sat, Oct 4 at Kansas State W 58-28 —
Sat, Oct 11 Nebraska W 37-31 —
Sat, Oct 18 at Texas A&M W 43-25 —
Sat, Oct 25 at (19) Kansas W 63-21 —
Sat, Nov 1 (1) Texas W 39-33 —
Sat, Nov 8 (8) Oklahoma State W 56-20 —
Sat, Nov 22 at (5) Oklahoma L 21-65 —
Sat, Nov 29 Baylor W 35-28
The best thing we didnt do was draft CrabDiva Are you kidding me look at who he played against.Im not saying DHB is the next Rice but I wonder what his #s would of been had Harell been his QB in a spresd offense
April 27th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Did everybody see Raji during the draft? That fat azz was sweating just sitting on the couch!!! Milwaukee is not the best place for overweight people, ever seen a cheese curd?
April 27th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Come on Vegas, we had the best draft this year, we signed the best coach this offseason, all our division opponents are losers and you think 9-7 is the best we can do?
Come on man, there is a new and improve Al Davis running the show, so I am sure we can get to 12-4 right?
April 27th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
good luck Alisodd-we could have drafted Bo,R.White,Unitas,Shell,Upshaw,etc. and these guys would biotch because we didn’t take the guy they wanted.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
SilverNBlack666 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Dakota
we will be 6-10 because we cannot stop the run.
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Wow, someone with a brain. Please run our draft next year 666. Just throw me a LT bone and you will have my vote of confidence.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
9-7 is a very fair estimation.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Look folks….the Raiders have a personality and a unique (Al Davis) style. The upside is that an owner willing to reach for the player with no regard for value or money issues wants to win and will do whatever it takes. Is Al smart about it? Clearly…some of his decisions over these last few years have been questionable and debated ad nauseum before.
But the guy wants to win. Also, the Raiders are not a “me-to” organization. I like that they are bringing back the vertical game and not trying to be just another WCO team. As long as the scheme is “structurally sound” and it should be with qualified vet coaches like Tollner, Hackett and Cable.
Take the good with the bad. Going against the grain is not without risk and maddening moments.
DHB was a first round pick talent….Mike Mitchell…give’m Hell guys…
April 27th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Dakota,
Tough schedule. Just trying to be optimistic man. I know we can’t stop the run, but I think the strategy of scoring points, good ST, and praying for fumbled snaps, holding penalties and fumbles on D is good for 9-7.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
The only way this draft makes sense is if we’re flipping to a 3-4 defense…
and then we would be in real trouble…
’cause then we would have undersized ends…
31st against the run was not the fault of a safety…
was not the fault of the linebacking…
we needed line help and got tweeners…
April 27th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
good luck Alisodd-we could have drafted Bo,R.White,Unitas,Shell,Upshaw,etc. and these guys would biotch because we didn’t take the guy they wanted.
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Dude I think it sad but you’re prob right. It gives them something to look forward to biatching about.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
on the upside…
we should be awesome on special teams this year…
April 27th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
A lot of you guys complain about stopping the run and I dont disagree but dont forget that we intercepted a QB 5 times last year (I think) against Carolina and still lost the game because we couldnt score.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
good luck Alisodd-we could have drafted Bo,R.White,Unitas,Shell,Upshaw,etc. and these guys would biotch because we didn’t take the guy they wanted.
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This coming from someone that made this statement right after the DHB pick:
lefty12 Says:
April 25th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
i give up-obviously the team has.
Now why don’t you get off your high and mighty prose you fukin quitter.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
can anyone find a quarter by quarter brake down on rushing yards against last year.That would be interesting to see how tired the defense was later in the game,and how less 3 and out could help
April 27th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Dakota if you don’t like it so much why not go root for SD which is closer to your beloved LA anyway.you didn’t biotch and moan last year when we took the guy you wanted(Dmac-boy that sure helped didn’t it) and our oline was worse then than it is now.no matter what the Raiders do,you will never be satisfied.all you ever do is come on here and biotch and moan.god your life must be miserable.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Also D-HB and Mike Mitchell will be coming in with a CHIP on their collective shoulders. Everyone is dissing them left and right…I can imagine that the 1st meeting with Davis will go something like this:
Mitchell & DHB – Hello Mr. Davis, thanks for the opportuntity, we won’t let you down.
Davis: Don’t worry what those people say….I believe in you…now go out there and be great
Lal: Hey Darrius…you ready to roll….let’s get started
Washington and Brown: Mike, you ready to knock some heads….time to get into this playbook
April 27th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Milwaukee is not the best place for overweight people, ever seen a cheese curd?
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LOL @ Vegas. yeah man, those things are addictive!
I don’t see Raji running and doing pushups in the snow like Rocky Balboa. He’s more than likely sitting on the coach taking bong hits eating twinkies and listening to snoop dogg albums …
Justin Harrell was a 1st round bust DT for them 3 years ago. Here they are going down that same road again
April 27th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
# alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
A lot of you guys complain about stopping the run and I dont disagree but dont forget that we intercepted a QB 5 times last year (I think) against Carolina and still lost the game because we couldnt score.
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sorry, but what has interceptions to do with stopping the run?
April 27th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
ya i was pissed right after the pick,but once i thought about it it made sense.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
RR,
Sounds like you were on the ball RR and most of us Raider fans were on a completely different page. Which is interesting, yet disturbing. We could have got Rey Rey, Everette Brown, Ron Brace, Jarron Gilbert, Jamon Meredith, Jasper Brinkley.
I was so agitated and pissed on saturday night that I didn’t even bother watching Day 2 yesterday and it was an easy decision to go visit my grandfather at his grave site on his B-Day with my family and not give a crap about the Raiders Day 2 Draft Day.
DHB’s main motivation better be to prove the naysayers WRONG, every day from here on out and work with his idol Jerry Rice. I’m not worried about Mitchell playing with a chip on his shoulder….cause he will.
All DHB has to do is play hard, work hard, play with confidence when route running, and his main PRIORITY should be to just CATCH THE DAMN BALL first and foremost. Everything else after he catches the ball should be fine.
If he starts dropping passes….thats when us fans will want the old mans head on a platter!
April 27th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
If we could just get rid of the excess garbage that Al Davis carries, we would have a few more open spots.
Too many freaking OB’s. Worthless Condo, the long snapper.
Sam Williams (knows where Al buried the body), Huff (just admit that his 1st round pick was a bust and cut him already.) And, while we’re at it cutting the excess garbage which produces nothing…CUT FREAKING AL DAVIS.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
on the upside…
we should be awesome on special teams this year…
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absolutely… I love special teams, mostly because we can compete but still, ST is more than 1/3 of the game IMO… it sets up where we start, but also where the opponent starts…
April 27th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Oh, Lefty doesn’t like being shown as a hypocrite. on one hand he is crying and talking about giving up on the Raiders and then he comes in here talking smack about everyone b1tching and whining.
Which is it Lefty?
April 27th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
DKnight007: thanks man
here’s hoping the high risks produce big rewards
April 27th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
SnB Defense : you must be pretty excited Crabtree isn’t the pick. Am I right?
April 27th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Also D-HB and Mike Mitchell will be coming in with a CHIP on their collective shoulders. Everyone is dissing them left and right…I can imagine that the 1st meeting with Davis will go something like this:
Mitchell & DHB – Hello Mr. Davis, thanks for the opportuntity, we won’t let you down.
Davis: Don’t worry what those people say….I believe in you…now go out there and be great
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Mitchell & DHB – Hello Mr. Davis, thanks for the opportuntity, we won’t let you down.
Davis: Who in the Hell are you? I forgot.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
# lefty12 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
ya i was pissed right after the pick,but once i thought about it it made sense.
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I didnt want a WR in the 1st round period, and i was pissed to, i now accept the pick, its the OLBs and DEs i dont like, and how they managed the picks..(where they picked guys, and which position)
April 27th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Look folks….the Raiders have a personality and a unique (Al Davis) style. The upside is that an owner willing to reach for the player with no regard for value or money issues wants to win and will do whatever it takes. Is Al smart about it? Clearly…some of his decisions over these last few years have been questionable and debated ad nauseum before.
But the guy wants to win. Also, the Raiders are not a “me-to” organization. I like that they are bringing back the vertical game and not trying to be just another WCO team. As long as the scheme is “structurally sound” and it should be with qualified vet coaches like Tollner, Hackett and Cable.
Take the good with the bad. Going against the grain is not without risk and maddening moments.
DHB was a first round pick talent….Mike Mitchell…give’m Hell guys
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Bullshyt. If Al Davis wants to win so bad, he would be.
His ego makes him go against the grain, so he can prove how brilliant he is.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
# 4evaRaider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
is this because you cant do your job jerry???
You’ll find many of the reports before I do, and the players will probably end up coming to camp with the Raiders
# 4evaRaider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
If I had your job jerry I would get all the Raider news 1st
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So get on it. I’m sure Jerrah won’t mind the competition. Let us know when you get that job.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Alisgod,
Look, Tommy Kelly was the highest paid DT in the league. Warren and Sands are well paid too.
Can you sit there and say that these three guys are playing anywhere near their contracts or potential?
Cable acknowledges there is a problem up the middle…there’s no sweeping this under the rug.
The entire defense rests on those three playing at an ELITE level. No and’s/if’s/or but’s about it.
Kelly needs to be a terror in the backfield…Warren and Sands need to be space eaters. Otherwise, Davis should cut them and save the money.
I believe if Marshall and Board think they can coach them up…then they should be given that opportunity.
But those three DTs have been MAJOR disappointments thus far. Bad is bad…I don’t care if the offense goes 3 and out the entire game. One can tell when fatigue sets in. Those three DTs just have not performed well.
Time to step the %@@!#! up. No stories about not being in shape on DAY 1…no stories about only making 1 practice during 2 adays….they have to be ready to roll.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Wanting to win is one thing. Knowing how to win is another.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
try taking reading lessons Dakota.and after you learn how to read,take a comprehension course.as i said,but you obviously couldn’t understand,i was pissed because we didn’t take Monroe.but after thinking about it and listening to Cable i understood the pick and support it.i’m not like you where i set my mind one way and logic and a good explanation can’t change it.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Lefty, you’re friggin happy with everything the Raiders do, fine. Is it permissable for some of us to differ? We do have a losing record over the last 20 years you know.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Cable acknowledges there is a problem up the middle…there’s no sweeping this under the rug.
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SnB Defense : Cable basically said that the problem with the run defense were due to the coach and the system yesterday in his post draft interview …
“we’ve got some good tackles on this football team. They’ve gotta play like it.”
thats the only comment he made. Then today we signed DT Desmond Bryant of Harvard.
fullback and defensive tackle weren’t priority draft positions according to Cable
April 27th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
good job by the PTI guys on ESPN not to knock the Raiders but give them a chance and see what happens.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
# alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
A lot of you guys complain about stopping the run and I dont disagree but dont forget that we intercepted a QB 5 times last year (I think) against Carolina and still lost the game because we couldnt score.
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sorry, but what has interceptions to do with stopping the run?
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As smart as you claim to be, I am disappointed with your question. Why do you want to stop the run LMN? So that you can win the game?
Well does it matter how we stop the run if we can’t stop ourselves from going 3 and out? How do you throw 5 ints and still win the game? Stopping the run is much needed but SO IS TRYING TO SCORE SOME POINTS.
One can certainly agree that our O needs more work than our D. Did you forget how miserable our O was last year. How we couldnt score a TD in the first half for so many consectcutive games?
Bro, dont brag to be smart and then ask such stupid questions?
April 27th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Lefty,
You said what you said. I too was pissed after we didn’t take Monroe, but you are the one that said you were giving up…here let me post it for you again if you don’t remember:
lefty12 Says:
April 25th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
i give up-obviously the team has.
Lol, spin it any way you want, you can’t change what you said Lefty. Now get off your high horse.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
bottom line if the steelers or the patriots make the same picks we made they would get the benefit of the doubt, but since were the raiders, the world is falling and al davis is crazy…the draft isnt an exact science…so Im happy with the picks
April 27th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
SnB Defense : you must be pretty excited Crabtree isn’t the pick. Am I right?
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Look, the draft is a crapshoot anyway. Take a look at the top 10 receivers and its a who’s who of busts.
If the Raiders think DHB is that guy..fine….I like the idea of DHB and Schilens lining up on the outside with Miller underneath.
Crabtree didn’t want to be here and I wasn’t too excited about him anyway. Not very tall, not great speed and I was saying he played in a “Nintendo” offense before Cable said it.
Let’s go
April 27th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Wanting to win is one thing. Knowing how to win is another.
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Agreed
April 27th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
you have to admit that when espns skip bayless agrees with you, you;re most likely in trouble, he thought we were smart to skip over crabtree
April 27th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
KK-in no way am i happy with everything the Raiders do.but it does no good to sit here and say Davis has to go-he isn’t going anywhere.and after watching and hearing the draft this weekend i’m happier than hell we didn’t take Craptree.do i think we could have drafted differently-sure;better-i don’t know,it isn’t my job.but i’m a Raider fan so i have to support there decisions-right or wrong.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
SharkCatcher,
That is a big red flag, lol.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
SnB Defense, I dont disagree with your analysis of our DT’s. As a matter of fact,those guys will have to perform and Cable said as much yesterday.
However, we can certainly agree that our O is even worst then our D. We need a better Oline play and better WR play. The Raiders tried to address the WR play. I will reserve judgement on DHB but we can certainly agree the WR position is now decently stocked with potential as compared to Watkins and Holland we now have DHB and Murphy.
Why bother taking Russell and Dmac if you are not going to give them Oline and WRs to play with. The Oline was addressed via FA. I will reserve judgement on that since Cable should know. Look right now, Henderson proved he can hang with the elites. NONE OF YOU can say that Monroe, Smiths, or Oher can do the same. They havnet taken a game snap yet.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Is it true DHB had 8 TD catches his entire college career?
Stats
Season Year GP GS Rec Yds Avg TDs FL
‘06-’07 13 10 45 694 15.4 5 —
‘07-’08 13 13 51 786 15.4 3 —
‘08-’09 — — — — — — —
‘09-’10
April 27th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
We’re going 6-10. We’ll improve from last year.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
dakota-never said something then changed your mind.god it must be nice being perfect and living in your miserable world.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
( registration made this blog so much better, now I know Im talking to ” the real dakota )
April 27th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Hopefully Mitchell and Branch can be the Smash Bros. and just kill everyone that comes across the field. If nothing else, we can be exciting on defense until offenses start running the ball.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
We’re going 6-10. We’ll improve from last year.
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A watchable 6-10 might be the best we can hope for.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
RaiderRockstar,
If I recall, Cable said they were looking at DTs later in the draft. He’s also bringing in more people as free agents.
He said fullback and defensive tackle were free agent targets.
Look, I think the run defense is garbage. That doesn’t change because of this draft.
Cable says that Marshall and Board have to teach better…OK, go freekn do it.
The fact that there is discussion about whether the problem was players or coaches doesn’t take away from the fact that there is a PROBLEM.
I am now the biggest supporter of the triumverate of Kelly/Warren/Sands because I want the team to be successfull.
So Dwayne Board and John Marshall are on the clock…they got until that Monday Night opener to coach those underachievers up and get them ready.
I’ll be following their progress more than Russell or anyone else on that team.
April 27th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Two Rookie Safeties against experienced NFL QB’s?
April 27th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
I don’t believe Cable on his version of how him and Al had the same guys picked when they came together. Give me a break, we all know the picks came from Al.
Good or bad, there is nothing whatsoever we can do, if we want to remain Raider fans. We just have to go along with the program and hope for the best. It’s getting easier, as we now have six (6) years of experience dealing with a losing team. But, remember, AL is GOD.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
see you guys tomorrow!
April 27th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
KoolKell,
don`t go crazy over crabtree`s or dhb stat`s.
maryland throw the ball 374 times
texas tech throw the ball 626 times
April 27th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Frantz Joseph was the 10th Ranked MLB out of 15 on NFLDraftCountdown.com
Frantz Joseph
Height: 6-1 | Weight: 242 | 40-Time: 4.83
Official Bio
Strengths:
Adequate height and bulk with long arms…Physical and plays with a nasty demeanor…A reliable tackler…Will deliver the big hit…Does a nice job in the box…Has a great motor…Top football IQ…Productive.
Weaknesses:
Not very fast or quick…Too aggressive at times…Stiff with tight hips and struggles in coverage…Has some trouble in space…Does not have a lot of range…Didn’t consistently face superior competition…Upside?
Notes:
Was a three-year starter for the Owls…Began his college career at Boston College but transferred to FAU to be closer to his mother and help pay bills…Was named 1st Team All-Sun Belt Conference in 2007 and 2008…The all-time leading tackler in school history…Earned Defensive MVP honors at the Texas vs. The Nation game…Two-down thumper with top intangibles…Profiles as a backup and special teamer.
Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK PBU INT
2004 RS - - - - -
2005 RS - - - - -
2006 11 61 2.5 1.0 2 1
2007 13 131 12.5 2.0 3 2
2008 13 154 9.0 0.5 3 0
Totals 37 346 24.0 3.5 8 3
April 27th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
42 Receptions 609 yds 5 TD’s is worth a #7 pick? really?
April 27th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
ya KK,but we really have only one experienced QB in our div.(Rivers) unless you say Cassel with less than a year and Ortin(?) who exp probably won’t help anyway.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
defense: al davis drafted defense when he hired marshall as d-coordinator. he thinks that’s enough to bring the game out these guys.
o-line: al davis drafted o-line when he made cable head coach.
you don’t necessarily have to draft players to make your team better. you can get better coaches as well…
April 27th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
I totally believe Tom Cable had the same list as Al Davis. Cable grew up an old school Raider fan, he loves Al Davis and this is his dream job. Everything he liked about the Raiders of old, he also likes today so yes…Tom Cable loves every Al Davis pick because hes an Al Davis Kool Aid drinker. You guys should have figured that out already. Now…thats ok with me if he can coach this team properly and get them to win. He can be the biggest Al Davis supporter in the world for all I care…Just Win Baby!
April 27th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
lefty12 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
dakota-never said something then changed your mind.god it must be nice being perfect and living in your miserable world.
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Lefty, don’t worry about my world. My world is just fine. The only thing miserable in my world is how bad the Raiders have become. And I like and respect you Lefty and I am sorry I had to point out what a hypocrite you were being today, but I am not going to just sit back and watch you bash people for disagreeing with the draft when the first thing you wanted to do after the draft was quit being a fan of the team.
Hell Lefty, the only reason I spotted your hypocrisy was because, long after the draft was over, I dropped by my office that night with my wife and I was just checking out the comments on the draft while she checked her e-mail, and when I saw your comment I said out loud, “Oh man, poor Lefty took this hard.”
I totally understood what you were feeling in that moment.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Alisgod,
The offense played well in the 2nd half last year. If they started the season like they ended it…they would have been playoff contenders.
The defense struggled for most of the year with the exception of maybe 4 or 5 games. K.C, Carolina, Miami, Jets, Denver, Houston….and they still gave up WAY too many rushing yards in the Carolina, Miami and Jets games…and blew that 4th QTR lead against Miami.
Alisgod, here is my concern going into 2009. If the Raiders offense becomes electrified…which is possible if they build on last year…..then opponents like the Giants, Cowboys, Redskins, Broncos w/Moreno, Ravens, Jets, Eagles, Steelers, Chargers and even Chiefs will start pounding the ball and playing ball control.
The defense has to absolutely be ready for it because an opposing OC is going to see a 31st run defense and Nnami Asomugha and Chris Johnson and maybe Mitchell and Branch…what would you do? THat’s right…run the football!
The triumverate HAS to step up. Dwayne Board has to get those underachievers ready to play.
Again…TK is the 2nd highest paid DT in the league…Warren and Sands are paid well too. THEY ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ELITE
April 27th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
What I think is the most funny is how 75% or more of the people in here didn’t want to draft a WR in the 1st Round. They especially didn’t want to draft Crabtree. Now that we drafted DHB, they are happy as hell and can find every excuse as to why the pick is good. Funny stuff.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
KoolKell ,
don`t worry about the 42 catches .what if he`s qb throw the ball 250 times how many catches will he had.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
# alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
# alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
A lot of you guys complain about stopping the run and I dont disagree but dont forget that we intercepted a QB 5 times last year (I think) against Carolina and still lost the game because we couldnt score.
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sorry, but what has interceptions to do with stopping the run?
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As smart as you claim to be, I am disappointed with your question. Why do you want to stop the run LMN? So that you can win the game?
Well does it matter how we stop the run if we can’t stop ourselves from going 3 and out? How do you throw 5 ints and still win the game? Stopping the run is much needed but SO IS TRYING TO SCORE SOME POINTS.
One can certainly agree that our O needs more work than our D. Did you forget how miserable our O was last year. How we couldnt score a TD in the first half for so many consectcutive games?
Bro, dont brag to be smart and then ask such stupid questions?
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I dont think i bragged being smart, but I said im certainly not stupid…
and stopping th run is the first step to win the game, the faster you stop the run the more time our inept O has to score…
and you nicely passed the question, how does interceptions stop the run?
you say we need more improvement on O than D… we scored 263, and was scored 388 against…
our Pass O was ranked 32, granted that need improvement, but you dont get that with a WR, you get that with a good O-line
our Run O was ranked 10th, thats okay
Our Pass D was ranked 10th thats okay, thats why we didnt need to upgrade..
Our Run D was ranked 31 thats where we should have upgraded…
again, the faster we stop the run, the faster we can try to score, and when we are that bad on run-D, the opponent dont care to pass on us, they just keep running, keep scoring and keep using up the time…
it should be obvious, its hard for me to understand how you dont get this..
April 27th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Frantz Joseph was the 10th Ranked MLB out of 15 on NFLDraftCountdown.com
Frantz Joseph
Height: 6-1 | Weight: 242 | 40-Time: 4.83
Official Bio
Strengths:
Adequate height and bulk with long arms…Physical and plays with a nasty demeanor…A reliable tackler…Will deliver the big hit…Does a nice job in the box…Has a great motor…Top football IQ…Productive.
Weaknesses:
Not very fast or quick…Too aggressive at times…Stiff with tight hips and struggles in coverage…Has some trouble in space…Does not have a lot of range…Didn’t consistently face superior competition…Upside?
Notes:
Was a three-year starter for the Owls…Began his college career at Boston College but transferred to FAU to be closer to his mother and help pay bills…Was named 1st Team All-Sun Belt Conference in 2007 and 2008…The all-time leading tackler in school history…Earned Defensive MVP honors at the Texas vs. The Nation game…Two-down thumper with top intangibles…Profiles as a backup and special teamer.
Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK PBU INT
2004 RS – - – - -
2005 RS – - – - -
2006 11 61 2.5 1.0 2 1
2007 13 131 12.5 2.0 3 2
2008 13 154 9.0 0.5 3 0
Totals 37 346 24.0 3.5
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This dude has Full Back written all over him!
April 27th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
not hypocrisy Dakota,just speaking before thinking-a fault i sometimes have.it did hit me hard-Monroe was there.but after hearing Cable explain why we did it i understood and i accept it-it doesn’t mean i’m in love with it,but i do accept his reasoning.sorry for any personal attacks.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Jorvorskie Javion Lane (born February 4, 1987 in Lufkin, Texas) is a former tailback/fullback for the Texas A&M Aggies college football team. He played tailback during his freshman through junior seasons, and switched to fullback his senior season. He holds the school record for career rushing touchdowns (49).[3]
Where did this guy end up?
April 27th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
What I think is the most funny is how 75% or more of the people in here didn’t want to draft a WR in the 1st Round. They especially didn’t want to draft Crabtree. Now that we drafted DHB, they are happy as hell and can find every excuse as to why the pick is good. Funny stuff.
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I am not happy with the way the draft played out. But at least they got some players…For me, I think the offense was okay before the draft. I like Schilens and JLH…so they added another 1st round talent…can’t hurt can it….
As for the defense…I was very disappointed that they didn’t get a Base DE or NT…VERY DISAPPOINTED…oh well…now Mike Mitchell??? If the guy can translate his college game to the pro-game and at least be an AVERAGE FS then the defense will improve. deAngelo Hall is gone so that is an improvement alone..let alone getting a talent in Chris Johnson. Branch should be a better cover option than Wilson.
As for the front 7…I am in a show-me state. I am looking forward to seeing how Dwayne Board coaches these guys up and whether John Marshall will dial up a more aggressive scheme.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
How about this argument. We will keep our offense on the field longer and our defense will be better rested and they won’t be as apt to give up the long play. Go ahead tell me I’m an idiot. But, with our offense last year we weren’t able to ever give our defense a rest. That offense has to get better to give our defense any chane. IMO.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Me too Lefty, me too. You are probably a better person than me in that you can accept what Al does and move on, while I let it keep bothering me. To each their own I guess.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNstliEo4Hs
GREAT video of Frantz Joseph. This is the kind of guy we need at the MLB position if this guy can make it happen in the NFL.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
i really think john marshall is going to blitz more.the guy`s they drafted (norris,sulak) are blitz guys.michael mitchell is a blitzing safety.now when was the last time we saw a safety blitz.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Another UDFA WR?
Nick Miller, Southern Utah
How many WR’s do we really need in camp? They need to concentrate on developing DHB and Murphy and get the defense a ton of reps against the run.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Jorvorskie Lane, Texas A&M
Height: 6-0. Weight: 285.
Projected 40 Time: 4.76.
Projected Round (2009): 7-FA.
1/5/09: Should have declared last year when he was a fourth-round prospect and a coaching change was made. No surprise that Mike Sherman didn’t know how to utilize Jorvorskie Lane; Lane rushed for 93 yards and five touchdowns on just 35 carries.
5/26/08: Jorvorskie Lane continued to add to his rushing touchdown total, notching 16 in 2007. He had 780 yards on 169 carries, a 4.6 average.
2007: A two-ton truck with legs, Jorvorskie Lane is actually 30 pounds heavier than Jerome Bettis was. Scored 19 rushing touchdowns in 2006.
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I read somwhere this guy ran a 4.68 40.
Sigh him Al.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Dakota-i was a season ticket holder when he moved to La for no reason.i have learned to get over the sh!t he does.if i didn’t i couldn’t be a fan,and i love pro football and HATE the whiners.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Also D-HB and Mike Mitchell will be coming in with a CHIP on their collective shoulders. Everyone is dissing them left and right…I can imagine that the 1st meeting with Davis will go something like this:
Mitchell & DHB – Hello Mr. Davis, thanks for the opportuntity, we won’t let you down.
Davis: Don’t worry what those people say….I believe in you…now go out there and be great
Lal: Hey Darrius…you ready to roll….let’s get started
Washington and Brown: Mike, you ready to knock some heads….time to get into this playbook
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Ur an idiot.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
# lefty12 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
not hypocrisy Dakota,just speaking before thinking-a fault i sometimes have.it did hit me hard-Monroe was there.but after hearing Cable explain why we did it i understood and i accept it-it doesn’t mean i’m in love with it,but i do accept his reasoning.sorry for any personal attacks.
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I get your anger, i was pissed too, it was only sunday i started to accept, still dont like the pick, but I accept it, just as i didnt like McFadden and Russell but I accept…
its the passrushing DE’s and OLBs and i dont like, and how they overall handled the picks, where they took the guys, and the positions…
April 27th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Bo34 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
How about this argument. We will keep our offense on the field longer and our defense will be better rested and they won’t be as apt to give up the long play. Go ahead tell me I’m an idiot. But, with our offense last year we weren’t able to ever give our defense a rest. That offense has to get better to give our defense any chane. IMO.
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The defense ranked 27th overall and 31st against the run. If this defense was ranked in the low 20’s, then I could see more time helping out.
This defense was bad. I think using the offense is an excuse and doesn’t hide the underlying problems of poor play, missed tackles, poor gap discipline and an inability to get off the field when it counted.
There are plenty of defenses that have played with below average offenses and didn’t finish as poorly as Oakland’s.
Its all on Dwayne Board and John Marshall…say it with me…Dwayne Board and John Marshall
April 27th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
And Lefty, you know I b1tched and moaned after the 2008 draft even though we took McFadden…..because we then didn’t address the DT problem! I should have learned my lesson and not gotten my hopes up about getting more beef on the lines in this draft I guess.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Bo34 – If Heyward-Bey turns out to be a guy that just goes for the deep ball, then we’re going to have alot of 3 and outs because its not very often that you get that perfect deep shot everytime. If you keep throwing deep, the chances are that you will miss almost everytime due to Defense and the fact that the QB has to place it perfectly with the WR in stride for it to work. If he becomes a complete player, thats another story.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNstliEo4Hs
GREAT video of Frantz Joseph. This is the kind of guy we need at the MLB position if this guy can make it happen in the NFL.
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Depth guy…Morrison is the man. If the Defensive Coaches are good enough to get Sands/Warren/Kelly up to speed…then let’s extend the same courtesy to the linebackers.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
# BART Bridge Blues Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Another UDFA WR?
Nick Miller, Southern Utah
How many WR’s do we really need in camp? They need to concentrate on developing DHB and Murphy and get the defense a ton of reps against the run.
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apparently enough to replace all WRs picked by Kiffin…
April 27th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Maybe Cable doesnt know you only can have 53 players on the roster.. and 45 on game day…
April 27th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
I see all th whiners are still here. Shouldn’t you guys be west of the Bay?
April 27th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
The Defense played very well for long stretches in games last year. Specifically, the Bufallo and 1st San Diego games come to mind. We shut those teams down…until we HAD to. If the new coaching staff can just fix that one area I think we’ll be vastly improved. I think the inconsistency potentially speaks to two things:
1) the talent is there, the scheme may have been misguided
2) there were fatigue issues. this much i witnessed w/ my own eyes. Against Bufallo those guys on the D-Line were GASSED. We were short on players to put in. They addressed that by signing Joseph at some point. But I think some depth and keeping the D off the field w/ more creative play-calling + better execution will go a considerable distance.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Don’t know if Chris answered you Dakota, but I literally had to take an Alleve that night because we were “so close” to getting Maulauga, but missed out. I tried to act like it didn’t bother me that much, but in hindsight, I can explain my headache that night.
Had to be missing out on Maulauga
April 27th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
the raiders will not dump schilens ir higgins.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Our defense is designed to be aggressive, we have a lot of fast, active players, that don’t do well when the offense comes to them. If Marshall has been studying game film, he should be seeing what we have all seen, that when Rob Ryan was aggressive, this defense could shut anybody down, until the attitude and play-calling would soften and fatigue would set in and teams would just start running the ball at us to counter our aggresiveness. If he can find a way to harness that aggressive play-calling, and sustain it for 4 quarters, he might be on to something.
But will Al let him, that’s the real question…
April 27th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
5/22/08: Darrius Heyward-Bey was inconsistent in 2007. Then again, any receiver would have been with the garbage Maryland had at quarterback (Chris Turner and Jordan Steffy combined for nine touchdowns and 11 picks). Heyward-Bey has a pretty sick 40 at his size. He has a shot to run a high 4.2.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
I realize that and I agree with you 24 but, you can’t throw it deep every play. I was refering to running the ball more with the running backs throwing short routes to our tight end rolling Jamarcus out and having him throw the dump pass. We were doing that at the end and our defense got some stops. They never expect to stay off the field so, I think they were all trying to make a great play instead of palying their positions. When you are trying to do too much is when you do the least.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
VegasRaider your guess of 8-8 or 9-7 probably isn’t so far off. I could see us taking this crappy division.
Last year it looked like the schedule was an easy one but some teams like Miami had really improved. You never know.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Louis Murphy, Florida
Height: 6-3. Weight: 207.
Projected 40 Time: 4.33.
Combine 40 Time: 4.43.
Vertical: . Broad: .
Projected Round (2009): 2-3.
1/4/09: Louis Murphy’s numbers will always be limited in Florida’s offense – 36 catches, 611 yards, six touchdowns – but his size, 40 and combine numbers will definitely get him noticed. Murphy will be on Al Davis’ radar in Round 2.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
last year at the end of the season i heard Morrison say he was just starting to REALLY understand playing MLB at this level.we must not forget that there are a lot of similarities between QB and MLB as it takes a couple of years to learn the position.i believe we will see a much better Morrison in 09.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
VegasRaider your guess of 8-8 or 9-7 probably isn’t so far off. I could see us taking this crappy division.
Last year it looked like the schedule was an easy one but some teams like Miami had really improved. You never know.
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Bwahahahahhahh for real? get a reality check, if we get more than 6 wins i give the first round on my local pub!
April 27th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Jhill, you know I was against Rey in round 1, but I too started getting excited about Rey in round 2…and Loadholt, and Britton, and Unger, and Brace to name a few.
Trading down and getting the extra picks from NE was a very good job. And I liked the WR in round 4, and the TE at 202. And I am hoping like hell Mitchell and DHB prove Al right.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
2010
Ciron Black, LSU
Height: 6-5. Weight: 315.
Projected 40 Time: 5.27.
Projected Round (2010): Top 20 Pick.
1/6/09: Assuming he declares early, Ciron Black is one of six offensive tackles who are projected to be drafted in the first round. Black, who has started all 39 of his games at LSU at left tackle, is an All-SEC second-teamer.
11/1/08: Paving the way for Charles Scott this season, Ciron Black is likely the fourth tackle to go in the first round.
5/24/08: A member of the All-SEC second team, Ciron Black is a tremendous athlete who should be the third tackle off the board come April 2009.
2007: Like Andre Smith, Ciron Black was a true freshman starting at left tackle for an SEC powerhouse. To be fair, it’s a bit easier to play on the front with a scrambling quarterback.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
What I think is the most funny is how 75% or more of the people in here didn’t want to draft a WR in the 1st Round. They especially didn’t want to draft Crabtree. Now that we drafted DHB, they are happy as hell and can find every excuse as to why the pick is good. Funny stuff.
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I’m not happy….I’m still agitated.
The ONLY WR worth taking at #7 that I have been saying all along was Crabtree….otherwise they should have gone go O-Line.
If they wanted DHB or Maclin….then TRADE DOWN….and none of the above happened.
The Raider Nation are on a completely different page than where the stubborn old man Al and Coach Cable are at and it’s frustrating beyond belief.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
ITS ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what up 408
April 27th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Terrence Cody, Alabama
Height: 6-5. Weight: 365.
Projected 40 Time: 5.50.
Projected Round (2010): Top 20 Pick.
11/23/08: Terrence Cody said he’s not declaring early, but once he discovers that he has a great shot at being drafted in the top 15, he could reconsider. Cody is a monstrous run-stuffer and should be a Kris Jenkins-like difference-maker at the next level.
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Trade Fargas, Burgy, and Huff for 2010 picks, and use our 1st to get this guy.
MAN is a ROCK!
April 27th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
its all bad NATION… this draft sux and my beloved sharks are about to be eliminated…
April 27th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
You guys think I’m a kool aid drinker now, if we had gotten Rey Rey in the 2nd, you guys wouldn’t be able to tell me shyt about Al, like EVER.
But oh well … At least we got a player who brings a lot of the same things I was looking for from Maulauga, only in the secondary. I just want to see if he can zero in on Sproles in the flat and lay his azz out. Then I’ll be impressed.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
r8rpaver
I couldn’t bring myself to vomment on that sorry ass draft.. Now that its over all I can say to those drafted is welcome 2 the NATION and make us proud…
April 27th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
NOT tonight 408
April 27th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
hahahah err comment
April 27th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Kristofer O’Dowd*, USC
Height: 6-5. Weight: 298.
Projected 40 Time: 5.07.
Projected Round (2010): Top 25 Pick.
2/11/09: No one should blame Kris O’Dowd if he comes out early; he’d be the top center prospect in the 2010 NFL Draft. He was an All-Pac 10 first-teamer as a sophomore.
7/28/08: Kris O’Dowd was forced into the starting lineup when incumbent center Matt Spanos suffered an injury. Despite being a true freshman, O’Dowd performed admirably. With Spanos gone, the starting center gig is his.
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Food for thought while trying to forget all the picks we left on the table.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
r8rpaver
cold part is my playoff beard is hella itchy… I wanna shave it but just cant…
April 27th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ORaiPrYdhlU
Great footage of WR Shawn Bayes.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
after the sharks being down 2-0 i kept check the Merc for a tower sniper..
April 27th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
DKnight007 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
^^^^^^
I’m not happy….I’m still agitated.
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After a 48 hour bender I woke up, thinking I had the worst nightmare possible. Michael Crabtree AND Eugene Monroe were both miraculously on the big board and we chose Heyward-Bey. And If THAT wasn’t enough, with Safety Sean Smith on the board, we chose, you know, I don’t even know who we chose. Someone who was not even invited to the combine, while Bill Parcells swooped in and snatched Sean Smith. This is some type of bad dream right?? Either Al Davis is some type of vampire uber genius or we are all fooked. I need to go back to sleep.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
408,
I feel you bro. The only thing that saved Saturday for me was the Lakers beating the Jazz.
Sorry about the sharks…what a bummer to win all those games and get wacked early in the playoffs.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Yo LMN….
so did you like the draft?? JK… I’ve been checking in on my phone but 4 some reason I cant sign in from the damn thing…
April 27th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
not yet Dakota game 6 in 4 hours
April 27th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Oakglenn,
You better go back to sleep…reality bites sometimes, lol.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
LMN:
For real? That’s the only kind of win I know of.
Denver is run by a Kiffin impersonator and they don’t have a quarterback because Kiffin Jr. gave him away-although they can have Walter if they can stand his attitude.
KC is building and building and building.
SD has talent but that teams time has passed. They brought in linebacker because they’re worried about Merriman and LT is in Moss-sized sulk.
We can win the division-although nothing is guaranteed-and we could easily be 8-8 or 9-7.
I know all this because Dakota told me.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
What about this guy?
Dez Bryant*, Oklahoma State
Height: 6-3. Weight: 215.
Projected 40 Time: 4.33.
Projected Round (2010): Top 25 Pick.
2/7/09: A dynamic player in Oklahoma State’s explosive offense, Dez Bryant registered 87 receptions for 1,480 yards and 19 touchdowns as a mere sophomore. And he’s only going to get better. Bryant also returned two punts to the house.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Its really going to suck when Mike Mitchell gets compared to Stuart Schweigert and Michael Huff once he starts whiffing tackles like the rest of the safeties we’ve had. Hopefully John Marshall doesn’t look like Rob Ryan out there.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Dakota
thanx for the condolences…
Same old sharks… I feel like every team I root 4 is doomed to fail.. Good luck with your Lakers.. (since my warriors aren’t in it LOL)
April 27th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Said 49ers WR Michael Crabtree of the team’s new uniforms, “It’s nice. I can’t wait to see the all-white look, all those colors. That’s my favorite part – getting dressed. I can’t wait.”
April 27th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Oakglenn, sound like you and I were on the same track.
48 hour bender, still in the nightmare.
After a 48 hour bender I woke up, thinking I had the worst nightmare possible. Michael Crabtree AND Eugene Monroe were both miraculously on the big board and we chose Heyward-Bey. And If THAT wasn’t enough, with Safety Sean Smith on the board, we chose, you know, I don’t even know who we chose. Someone who was not even invited to the combine, while Bill Parcells swooped in and snatched Sean Smith. This is some type of bad dream right?? Either Al Davis is some type of vampire uber genius or we are all fooked. I need to go back to sleep.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
I don’t care what anyone has to say about crabs, I’m glad we didn’t pick him, he didn’t want to play for us, members of his family expressed in interviews that they hoped we didn’t pick him and all he cares about is “getting dressed”.
Plus you know DHB and Mitchell will use all this negative media as fuel.
I like this dude from Harvard, He is a MONSTER.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Carlos Dunlap*, Florida
Height: 6-6. Weight: 290.
Projected 40 Time: 4.54.
Projected Round (2010): Top 5 Pick.
2/12/09: Owning Mario Williams’ measurables, Carlos Dunlap dominated the SEC as a sophomore, registering 18.5 TFL and 12.5 sacks.
7/30/08: A 290-pound defensive end who runs a 4.6… why does that sound familiar? Hint – the Texans chose that guy over Reggie Bush. Carlos Dunlap didn’t produce much as a true freshman, but he racked up four sacks in the spring game, creating some cause for excitement among Gator fans.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
# 408RAIDER Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Yo LMN….
so did you like the draft?? JK… I’ve been checking in on my phone but 4 some reason I cant sign in from the damn thing…
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dammit! damn phones! yeah its the best draft since we picked the fat kicker! LOL
April 27th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
I think the safeties are gonna kill somebody this year. soul patrol 2.0
April 27th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRhZCByOJYw
Great footage of David Nixon. This guy is SUPER fast at linebacker and he will go from one side of the field to the other in pursuit and make the tackle.
One thing I like about the draft picks is that John Marshall sees we have a weakness at the Strong Linebacker position and hes getting guys that can either convert from DE to OLB and alot of these guys are blitzers. You have to wonder if Marshall will get away with that.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
LMN…
LMAO
look we got these guys… So we might as well take a double shot of Kool-Aid and hope 4 the best….
*sigh
April 27th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Coach Cable and Sanjay Lal,
Make DHB into a COMPLETE player and not just a deep threat!
April 27th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
LMN:
For real? That’s the only kind of win I know of.
Denver is run by a Kiffin impersonator and they don’t have a quarterback because Kiffin Jr. gave him away-although they can have Walter if they can stand his attitude.
KC is building and building and building.
SD has talent but that teams time has passed. They brought in linebacker because they’re worried about Merriman and LT is in Moss-sized sulk.
We can win the division-although nothing is guaranteed-and we could easily be 8-8 or 9-7.
I know all this because Dakota told me.
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well I still think we are building and building aswell!
if we get more than 6 wins i give the first round at the pub – remember that! btw its an irish pub so no ulster talks =) LOL
April 27th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
I wanted Crabtree but I heard him on KNBR this morning and honestly…I don’t like him. Does he have skill? Absolutely. Thats why I wanted him here but he definately has an I don’t care attitude and I’d honestly rather have DHB but I think its obvious we could have gotten him later in the 1st round.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
I think we will be alright this year. Really. And you Haters in here can come crawling back in when Mitchell is the best Safety we’ve had in years.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
# 408RAIDER Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
LMN…
LMAO
look we got these guys… So we might as well take a double shot of Kool-Aid and hope 4 the best….
*sigh
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408…
dont forget your rosecollored glasses and you black polyester jumpsuit =) LOL
April 27th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Anybody take financial advise from a guy on TV Like which stocks to buy or What real estate to invest in ? So why do so many of you buy into what a talking head on a draft show says. If they were that good they would be working as a GM or personnel guy for a pro franchise.
April 27th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
# raiderjhawk Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
I think we will be alright this year. Really. And you Haters in here can come crawling back in when Mitchell is the best Safety we’ve had in years.
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I like Mitchell a lot, just not how we got him, and the rest of the positions we drafted… Mitchell answered a huge need, a need because Al dumped Gebril…
April 27th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Look guys that the way Al Davis rolls. At least D-HB was a 1st round talent. If the Giants or Ravens got him, then everyone would be saying what a great talent he is. Look the value was HORRIBLE…embarassingly bad…especially the reach for Mitchell.
But as football players…those two have talent…
Hey, the offense was improving without any additions averaging 24 or so points in the 2nd half of the season. So if DHB can give some more juice…all the better…
Did they cut Michael Huff yet?
April 27th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
# Lynn from Snot Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Anybody take financial advise from a guy on TV Like which stocks to buy or What real estate to invest in ? So why do so many of you buy into what a talking head on a draft show says. If they were that good they would be working as a GM or personnel guy for a pro franchise.
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nope i dont, thank god for that =) oh well thank me for not doin so, it has nothing to do with god…
i heard that rant before, and it simply dont hold water… the TV pundits make more money than a franchise GM, they have fewer hours and they dont need to relocate their family every 6 year… thats why they stay in those jobs..
not because they are better than the GM, but because they get the better deal!
April 27th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Lynn,
People love Jim Cramer and listen to him all the time. I bet Mel Kiper makes 10 times more than any pro scout.
I still hate him though, and he is wrong all the time.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1doAFxdxlRQ&feature=PlayList&p=1DDCD5B309B23D33&index=0
Darrius Heyward-Bey
April 27th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
the raiders are grabbing guys that blitz.john marshall will blitz more.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
SnB – You can’t cut Huff until you have someone good enough to take over #24.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCoSVbeTcUU
April 27th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
r.i.p(romp in peace)mac dre
April 27th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
SnB – You can’t cut Huff until you have someone good enough to take over #24.
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Michael Huff is done. Cable doesn’t like him at all and neither does Davis. They should really let him go at this point.
They reached from the lowest valley on Earth all the way to fringes of Mars…to get his replacement.
They have to play him!
April 27th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
408….
Thec dropped in here this morning!
(Sorry, can’t say when. I just skim the comments from about 6am on.)
April 27th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
24….imagine if we can do a double reverse with dhb and Mcfadden….that will give team fits
April 27th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KF2-_OXoA
Based on this footage alone…its difficult not to LOVE Mike Mitchell. He has no fear. He doesn’t let up. This guy looks fast, mean and he based on his good plays, he sees the field really well as a Safety and takes good angles to the ball and times his hits nicely. He plays with reckless abandon.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
SnB – What I’m saying is…The actualy number 24 is special and you have to replace him with someone special enough to wear it.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
I don’t know about the whole DHB pick, but, if we didn’t have an option to move down and that’s who we wanted then that was our pick and we picked who we wanted. It’s as simple as that. As for that safety Mitchell. I like him. Granted I’ve only seen the youtube video of his plays and he’s from a Mac10 college… but not only does he play and hit hard, but he recognizes plays never gives up and he seems very alert on the field. All those clips of him leveling people will never get old and I only hope he helps put the fear back into teams when they’re playing our Raiders.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
The “actual” number I mean.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Bwahahahahahhaahaha I just watched Wyatt Cenac from the Daily show, on his report on socia1sm in sweden! from april 21…
Man that was good =)
April 27th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
4:20 – Smoke up. GO GET LEROY HILL!
April 27th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
i cant wait for Mitchell to meet crabcakes in the middle of the field
April 27th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Happy 420 Ryan
April 27th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
SnB Defense ,
the only thing the raiders messed up on yesterday was not trading back and getting more picks with dhb.i love mitchell but people need to realize that when you hit like that you are going to have your fair share of missed tackles.also they should be signing as many d-lineman as possible.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
If that was a question, then the answer is no. It hasn’t been a happy 420 for years. I guess that’s what happens when you get married and have 4 kids. You gots to be respectable up in this mother.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KF2-_OXoA
Based on this footage alone…its difficult not to LOVE Mike Mitchell. He has no fear. He doesn’t let up. This guy looks fast, mean and he based on his good plays, he sees the field really well as a Safety and takes good angles to the ball and times his hits nicely. He plays with reckless abandon.
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24…look at the time 0:59 and 1:18 see how he was playing the other side of the field, recognized the play going the other way and quickly/smoothly adjusted. That is what did it for me. I know he can hit but he can cover so well.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Another point… Mitchell can play FS and SS. Versatility we need at that position. And if the Bears were going to pick him that’s good enough for me. The Bears may have struggled (offensively) but they’ve always been vicious when it comes to defense, and they wanted him… so let’s embrace both DHB and Mitchell @#!* what everyone else thinks we never gave a *#@* anyways isn’t that why we’re Raiders fans anyways cause we don’t fall in line with the other sheep and we do things our way and still take care of business? We’ve only been in a drought for a few years people at least we’re not the Lions!
April 27th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Mitchell hits like a truck. The thing about his youtube video that stood out the most to me was the fact that it is like 6 minutes and 40 seconds, and it doesn’t keep showing the same play from different angles like a lot of youtube videos do. It is 6 1/2 minutes of him knocking folks the F out. Him and Branch will make for one of the hardest hitting saftey combos in the league, even if they’re not the best at coverage. I can’t wait to see Mitchell come on a saftey blitz and knock Rivers’ head off! As far as the DHB pick goes…I bet Murphy turns out to be a better player than him, I have nothing good to say about DHB, he is an inconsistant pass catcher, and that is all that matters when you’re a reciever. Look at Vernon Davis of the Whiners,(Granted, he is a TE, and his physical atributes are much different than DHB’s, but) he is open on almost every play, but he has hands of stone, and in my book is a bust. That is pretty much what we drafted in DHB, someone with good physical attributes, and not a lot of talent. We didn’t really even need a reciever, that is the sad thing. Chaz Shilens(6′4″+) is almost 2 1/2 inches taller than DHB (6′2″), and not only does Chaz have better hands, but he only ran his 40 yard dash 1/10 of a second slower than DHB. My point here is that we already had a reciever of the same type as DHB, only better. If we were going to go WR, then Crabtree was the only sane option. Once Monroe fell to us, then the mere thought of a WR should have left our minds completely, but Al Davis is an old fool. In ten years when Raji, Monroe, and Crabtree are all perenial pro bowlers, It is only going to make it hurt even worse, just wandering what could have been…
April 27th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
LMN – Gibril was a p*ssy with a bad attitude, sure he had some tackles but none that changed the game or stopped anyone from running all over us. Gibril wasn’t a good fit but the cash blinded him, he openly griped in the middle of the season. I hope the fish have fun with him and grove.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
909…
Oh Yeah Thec is back… I saw he was in here during the draft.. as Thec1… now we just need to Free DIRTY!!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Thanks for that vid 24, Nixon is QUICK!!!! Forget OLB, he might turn out to be the biggest SS in the league.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Anyone got any tape on Tyvon Branch. I keep hearing how great he is but I have never seen any good tape on him. I dont believe he did anything great last year for me to remember other than being hurt.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
SnB – What I’m saying is…The actualy number 24 is special and you have to replace him with someone special enough to wear it.
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When the head coach and owner invoke the name Jake Tatum and Ronnie Lott……I think Huff is at his exit interview right now….
April 27th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Anyone got any tape on Tyvon Branch. I keep hearing how great he is but I have never seen any good tape on him. I dont believe he did anything great last year for me to remember other than being hurt.
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Wouldn’t know where to get coaches tape. I assume you would have to subscribe to some service.
Branch did have an interception against the Chiefs I think….
April 27th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DWXtNtyBLY
Louis Murphy Footage
The nice thing about this guy is that he comes from a Winning Program with Florida.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Jason Cook or Chris Pressley would be great adds as fullbacks…… They each have that Oren quality of being hammers and soft hands.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
# blackdeath29 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
r.i.p(romp in peace)mac dre
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4 real… I miss tha guy
April 27th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
AlisGod – Absolutely. He seems like the full package as a Safety. Even he said he doesn’t like to be called a FS or a SS. He is a complete Safety. I guess we’ll find out right?
April 27th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Voldemort ,
let`s let dhb play first before we lable him a bust.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
It looks like Nixon and Joseph are going to try to cut it as special team players first. Both of them can rack up tackles for sure. Nixon seems quick and fast but undersized to play LB. Dont think he is quick enough to play safety though.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
After digesting the log of draftees, here in my estimation are the teams who did the best with their first two picks on the weekend (on paper)
Seattle – Aaron Curry, Max Unger
and then in alphabetical order
Buffalo – Aaron Maybin, Eric Wood
Chicago – Jarron Gilbert, Juaquin Iglesias (no pick till round 3)
Cleveland – Alex Mack, Brian Robiskie
Donkeys – Knowshown Moreno, Robert Ayers
Green Bay – BJ Raji, Clay Matthews
Indianapolis – Donald Brown, Fili Moala
Jacksonville – Eugene Monroe, Eben Britton
the team that did the best with their first three picks is Cincinnati – Andre Smith, Rey Maualuga, Michael Johnson
but the team that did the finest job of drafting overall is the Philadelphia Eagles for choosing -
(159) Fenuki
(213) Fanaika
(230) Fokou
God I hope that Fokou makes the team just to hear stumblebum announcers attempt to say his name.
and the steal of the draft might be Oakland’s own, via UNLV, fullback Frank Summers, chosen in the 5th round by Pittsburgh.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
The thing about most all the guy’s we drafted, especially the first 2: they are projects. I think they’ll be limited in how much they can contribute based on playing time. Raider philosophy is notoriously hesitant as far as turning rookies loose. Just a word of caution. I don’t expect too many opportunities for DHB this season. So those who were happy w/ the receivers we had will probably get to see a lot of them on the field this year.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Mike Singletary and Michael Crabtree are not going to get along.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
i like the fact we’re getting a bunch of these high motor linebackers, sure is going to be a lot of competition going on out there in camp.sure will push morrison and howard. i can see that joseph dude competing early at that sam starting spot and probably the mlb next year. morrison contract year? all others look like tweeners, but fast. don’t see how sam williams fits in. these guys look like a sure lock on special teams
April 27th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
http://www.knbr.com/common/global_audio/201/6825.mp3
Darrius Heyward-Bey interview on KNBR with Murph and Mac.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
http://www.knbr.com/common/global_audio/201/6826.mp3
Michael Crabtree interview on KNBR with Murph and Mac.
They were already bashing the interview at the end haha.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
The sad part is…we basically traded Eugene Monroe to the Jaguars for Khalif Barnes. We got played.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
I am serious about Tommy Kelly/Gerard Warren/Terdell Sands needing to step up.
TK is 2nd highest paid DT. Shouldn’t he be in the same discussion with Albert Haynesworth, Tommie Harris, Kevin Williams. Gerard Warren and Terdell Sands need to be up there with Wilfork, Ngata and Sean Rogers.
I am serious. Kelly/Warren/Sands have been nothing but below average. Cable has given them another opportunity by basically blaming Rob Ryan…Okay fine
Come to camp in shape and partipate in all the practices…then dominate.
The Raiders have one of the highest paid DTs in the league. Time to freekn play like it.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
shtt draft… looks like we’re already on the clock for next year..
April 27th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Nader64 – Very true. In fact, we should get to see ALOT of McFadden as he should really be the focal point of our offense if hes used properly. The playmaker won’t be Higgins, Schilens, Walker or anyone else. McFadden should be the star if things go right with everyone else becoming second fiddle.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
http://www.knbr.com/common/global_audio/201/6825.mp3
Darrius Heyward-Bey interview on KNBR with Murph and Mac.
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Thanks for posting. I heard Matt Maiocco on KNBR saying how impressive DHB was on air. I was hoping to get a listen. So DHB sounds like a grounded, pretty cool kid…but did he say “LaMarcus” at the beginning? hahahaha
He wants #12…you GOTTA wildcat him! haha
April 27th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Yeah 24, I think we have to find success in the running game and use McFadden as “lightning” in the run and passing game. The receivers will need to be consistent more than spectacular; do their job when their number is called.
SnB you said it man. Coaching (teaching technique + playcalling) is going to be a huge factor this year.
April 27th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwqPyHfmQZw&NR=1
Dakota this is for you
April 27th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
found something funny.shawn bayes the rookie free agent the raiders signed today is in the video of michael mitchell at 1.57 mark.getting hit and dropping the ball.michael mitchell is also in shawn bayes video getting juked for a td.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KF2-_OXoA
April 27th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Crabtree will have a rivalry….with LaMarcus. Wardrobe battles
April 27th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Dakota,
Luke Walton out at least 1 week with a partial tear in an ankle ligament!! Hopefully we’ve seen his last game.
Championship!
April 27th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Night All… bed time!
April 27th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
is this McArthur Lane’s son.M.Lane was a RB 4 GreenBay
April 27th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Lane and John Brockington RB’s 4 Green Bay
April 27th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
yo Huff tanx 4 the links… good gob brethren
April 27th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
# SnB Defense Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
I am serious about Tommy Kelly/Gerard Warren/Terdell Sands needing to step up.
TK is 2nd highest paid DT. Shouldn’t he be in the same discussion with Albert Haynesworth, Tommie Harris, Kevin Williams. Gerard Warren and Terdell Sands need to be up there with Wilfork, Ngata and Sean Rogers.
I am serious. Kelly/Warren/Sands have been nothing but below average. Cable has given them another opportunity by basically blaming Rob Ryan…Okay fine
Come to camp in shape and partipate in all the practices…then dominate.
The Raiders have one of the highest paid DTs in the league. Time to freekn play like it.
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To an extent you are right but Tommy Kelly will be 100 pct in 2009 and stayed healthy all last season. People outta lighten up onhim. It’s not like he has a Nose Tackle that prevents the double team.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
SnB, I’m praying Frantz Joseph wows the team and starts at MLB making Kirk the SAM. That would help the run D there. But who knows?
April 27th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Brandon Spikes*, Florida
Height: 6-3. Weight: 254.
Projected 40 Time: 4.55.
Projected Round (2009): Top 20 Pick.
1/10/09: In addition to a win over Oklahoma in college football’s runner-up championship, Spikes tallied 87 tackles, eight TFL, two sacks, four picks (two for TDs) and two passes broken up as a junior.
12/7/08: Brandon Spikes has been a beast this year, and is almost a first-round lock. Going into the SEC Championship, Spikes recorded 80 tackles, eight TFL, two sacks and four picks (two returned for touchdowns.)
5/11/08: In addition to being a sound tackler (a whopping 131 stops in 2007), Brandon Spikes is also great in pass coverage.
2007: The centerpiece of Florida’s defense despite being only a sophomore. Either leading the Gators in tackles or sacking opposing quarterbacks on multiple occasions every single week.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
408 are you ready for the game tonight ?
April 27th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
# Als saggy lower jaw Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
shtt draft… looks like we’re already on the clock for next year..
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Maybe, but not for certain. No matter who we draft its all on Russell’s shoulders. If he sucks then we got no shot. His excuses are running short with me. Regardless of who is top of the line around him it is his job to win games. Being selected first means someone thinks you are a Hall of Famer. The guy at least has a good running game, how can he not make it happen?
April 27th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
r8rpaver
hell yeah.. I already drank a 6pack with my bro…
April 27th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
The entire 408 is very nervous tonight
April 27th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Brien,
All I am saying about Kelly is that he needs to be dominant this year. I am not interested in the past anymore. Knee is two yrs removed now and he has a full offseason. He can’t be just another guy on the field. He needs to dominate.
Warren and Sands are in the upper tier of NTs as far as pay goes. Both of those guys were kept on board so they better start eating up Guards and Centers. The Raiders passed on a lot of guys because Cable believes they are good. Well good is not just an average guy.
These players need to collapse the pocket, attract double teams, make plays at or behind the line of scrimmage.
Its not good enough for them to be average and then everyone say….”hey, they made a few plays…they’re okay” Naw..they need to dominate like their fat #!! contracts suggest.
Everyone else will be following Russell. I will be watching Warren/Kelly/Sands closely. Tom Cable said the coaches can fix it. So I believe him.
Frantz Joseph is a depth guy though. If the three tackles get a coaching mulligan, its safe to say the backers do too
April 27th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
24
thanks for the links to the two interviews. I can defintely understand after listening to both of them the reason why Darrius was chosen over Diva. Let us all hope that it translates onto the field and into the locker room.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Aaron Pettrey, Ohio State
Height: 6-4. Weight: 235.
Projected Round (2010): 2.
3/14/09: Aaron Pettrey headlines this weak kicking class; he was just 10-of-11 in 2008, but connected on 8-of-9 tries from beyond 50 yards. He hit two 60-yarders, including one from 68.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Matt Shaughnessy
Height: 6-5 | Weight: 266 | 40-Time: 4.88
Official Bio
Strengths:
Very good size with long arms the frame to add more weight…Good strength and power…Gets a nice push as a bull rusher…Uses his hands well to get off blocks…Comfortable in space…Excellent motor…Does a terrific job in pursuit..Quick…Nice instincts and awareness…Versatile.
Weaknesses:
Does not always use proper leverage…Just average timed speed and isn’t very explosive…Needs to develop more pass rush moves…Not stout at the point…Struggles in coverage…Some durability concerns.
Notes:
A four-year starter in the Big Ten…Grandfather, James Shaughnessy, played football at Arnold College…1st Team Freshman All-American in 2005…2nd Team All-Big Ten in 2006 and 2007…Tore his ACL in 2005…Broke his right fibula in the Spring of 2008…Could also project to outside linebacker and has some experience inside at defensive tackle…’Tweener who isn’t the top pass rusher you look for in a right end or the stout run defender you want in a left end…Backup material.
Career Statistics
Year GP TKL TFL SACK
2005 11 39 7.5 2.5
2006 13 35 8.0 4.0
2007 13 60 18.0 5.0
2008 13 40 8.0 4.0
Totals 50 174 41.5 15.5
April 27th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Kelly & Turdell are way overpaid. Warren was our best DT last season. Basically we have 2 out of shape DTs and 1 good rotational DT. We have a historically bad run defense, and we keep drafting WRs into the James Jett Scholarship Program…6-10 sounds bout right.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
The entire 408 is very nervous tonight
======================================================= so is the 209
April 27th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Warren was not the best DT last year! You have gotta be kidding me. Tommy Kelly was by far the better DT with one knee healthy
April 27th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Louis Murphy
Height: 6-23/8 | Weight: 203 | 40-Time: 4.43
Official Bio
Strengths:
Very good size and bulk with long arms…Terrific athlete…Excellent speed…Explosive with a burst…A vertical threat who gets a lot of separation…Quick off the line…Good hands and can make the difficult catch…Great ball skills…Nice leaping ability…Tough and isn’t afraid to work in traffic…Some special teams potential…Still has a lot of upside.
Weaknesses:
Wasn’t overly productive…Has plenty of room to improve as a route runner…Isn’t real elusive and doesn’t do much after the catch…Does not change directions well…Football IQ has been questioned…Average blocker…Never a featured target in college…Is coming out of a spread offense system…Maturity / Work Ethic were issues early in his career.
Notes:
Was also a member of the Gators track and field team…A two-year starter…Father is a pastor…Mother passed away in February of 2007 following a battle with cancer…Was arrested on a misdemeanor marijuana possession charge in 2006…Played second fiddle to Andre Caldwell and Percy Harvin throughout his college career…Caught at least one pass in every game the past two seasons…Was a frequent resident of Urban Meyer’s doghouse as a freshman and sophomore but really turned things around the past couple of years…The type who might be a better athlete than football player…Has all the physical tools you look for and is basically just beginning to fulfill his immense potential…A bit of a project and will need to be developed but when it comes to measuables this guy is just about as impressive as they come.
Career Statistics
Year GP Rec Yds YPC TD
2005 9 0 0 0.0 0
2006 12 2 42 21.0 1
2007 13 37 548 14.8 5
2008 14 38 655 17.2 7
Totals 48 77 1,245 16.2 13
April 27th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Yo Brien its nothing!!!
Ufck the ducks……
April 27th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Lechler will be our MVP once again, GO GET EM SHANE!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
408RAIDER Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Yo Brien its nothing!!!
Ufck the ducks……
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April 27th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
did some research and found out that T.O only had 12 TDs in college. now he has 139 in the NFL. “F” the haters…..
April 27th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
MLonetree – Well…the beauty of the draft is that Crabtree and DHB have equal the odds of becoming a bust so we’ll see how it goes.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
2nd round pick Mike Mitchell wasn’t even invited to the combine.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
# SnB Defense Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Brien,
All I am saying about Kelly is that he needs to be dominant this year. I am not interested in the past anymore. Knee is two yrs removed now and he has a full offseason. He can’t be just another guy on the field. He needs to dominate.
Warren and Sands are in the upper tier of NTs as far as pay goes. Both of those guys were kept on board so they better start eating up Guards and Centers. The Raiders passed on a lot of guys because Cable believes they are good. Well good is not just an average guy.
These players need to collapse the pocket, attract double teams, make plays at or behind the line of scrimmage.
Its not good enough for them to be average and then everyone say….”hey, they made a few plays…they’re okay” Naw..they need to dominate like their fat #!! contracts suggest.
Everyone else will be following Russell. I will be watching Warren/Kelly/Sands closely. Tom Cable said the coaches can fix it. So I believe him.
Frantz Joseph is a depth guy though. If the three tackles get a coaching mulligan, its safe to say the backers do too
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I agree 100 pct with ya. Yeah the backers do get a pass from the staff but if new staff see Joseph as a better Mike than Kirk what do you think will happen? But more likely he is a backup. Sad but true
April 27th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
# KoolKell Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
2nd round pick Mike Mitchell wasn’t even invited to the combine.
I guess they love his acceleration to the ball and his ability to have a presence like he did in college. Just dont know how it will translate to starting in the NFL. Being picked that high means they think he is a starter now.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
# 24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
MLonetree – Well…the beauty of the draft is that Crabtree and DHB have equal the odds of becoming a bust so we’ll see how it goes.
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Both playing in the same metro area as well
April 27th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
I’m so pissed off at the Sharks. The Ducks won the Stanley Cup 2 years ago so obviously, we’re playing a very good team. The problem is that we’re supposed to be a great team and we’ve honestly gotten outplayed in every area. The Ducks have been MUCH faster than the Sharks and I’m not impressed with Thornton at all. Hes supposed to be a star, yet he continues to disappear in the playoffs. Our Defenders score more than our Offensive stars and thats just ridiculous.
I really want to say the Sharks can win tonight but honestly, if they win I’ll be surprised. The Ducks are a better playoff team and we’re a better regular season team. I’m afraid that if we get past the Ducks, the Red Wings are going to tear us apart and embarrass us. If we lose to the Ducks or to the Red Wings, I think its time we start trading Thornton and Marleau and Cheechoo for offensive guys who actually get it done when it matters the most.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
in all honesty we have plenty of Wr depth with fast/hungry/young guys 3 of which will emerge as starters and better for the camp competition/coaching. With an improved QB, oline and healthy rb’s our O will give eat up time. Similar to the WR situation is the DE situation which will brew plenty of comp and good improved pass rushing will emerge. Same with the safety situation. The wild card to a good season is the play of Sands and that’s a hell of a wild card right there.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Its funny how people get more excited about UDFA then picks in the 5th 6th 7th round of the draft
April 27th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Yeah, It still seems like a reach on a player not invited to the combine taken in the 2nd round.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
# r8rpaver Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Its funny how people get more excited about UDFA then picks in the 5th 6th 7th round of the draft
Its not really that. Its the fact the Raiders at least looked at a ILB to make a dream come with Kirk to the outside. That is the hope all sensible people will have concerning the Raiders defense.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
KoolKell Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Yeah, It still seems like a reach on a player not invited to the combine taken in the 2nd round.
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he was ranked 94th on kipers list of safties
probably could have gotten him as an undrafted fa
April 27th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
go ducks!!
April 27th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
# KoolKell Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Yeah, It still seems like a reach on a player not invited to the combine taken in the 2nd round.
Of course it was. The first pick was as well as most others in the draft. That is how Al rolls. WE all spoke about who we thought would help us out the team in 09. Those guys arent on our team. I’m not overly excited myself but nonetheless we gotta wait and see. As I said earlier, none of these picks matter is Russell isnt a pro bowl QB.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
he was ranked 94th on kipers list of safties
probably could have gotten him as an undrafted fa
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Probably would have seen Chicago snag him 2 picks later and after watching him play for the Bears think, wow, we could have snagged him back in the 09′ Draft.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
yo 87….
suck 1….
April 27th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
# 24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
I’m so pissed off at the Sharks. The Ducks won the Stanley Cup 2 years ago so obviously, we’re playing a very good team. The problem is that we’re supposed to be a great team and we’ve honestly gotten outplayed in every area. The Ducks have been MUCH faster than the Sharks and I’m not impressed with Thornton at all. Hes supposed to be a star, yet he continues to disappear in the playoffs. Our Defenders score more than our Offensive stars and thats just ridiculous.
I really want to say the Sharks can win tonight but honestly, if they win I’ll be surprised. The Ducks are a better playoff team and we’re a better regular season team. I’m afraid that if we get past the Ducks, the Red Wings are going to tear us apart and embarrass us. If we lose to the Ducks or to the Red Wings, I think its time we start trading Thornton and Marleau and Cheechoo for offensive guys who actually get it done when it matters the most.
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word…
April 27th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
that trade in the second killed me when the pats picked brace, we couldve traded down un the first and still got bey and gilbert, who is wouldve been better than the undersized de’s we picked up, now we basically got the same d-line that got ran through last year and new de’s who arnt going to be able to hold the edge, it seems all our picks are project type players
April 27th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Louis Murphy and Brandon Myers are something to be happy about. Louis is actually a WR with hands along with production. FLA wideouts overall havent been stellar in the NFL, so that may give a little bit of a red flag. Myers is going to be the 2nd tight end no doubt. No more garbage Tony Stewart or guys like Mondriel Fulcher lol.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
408RAIDER Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
yo 87….
suck 1….
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told u guys a couple weeks ago what would happen dont hate, congradulate
April 27th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
R8rpaver – Haha. I was thinking the same thing and I’m guilty for it. I guess because we didn’t lose anything to get the undrafted guys. When you draft a player, you’re expecting the better players in college but we draft so many projects. Then, when we start picking up undrafted guys, they look better than the guys we drafted and we start signing players of need like that linebacker who was a tackle machine vs. the 3 Tweener Defensive Ends we drafted.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Louis Murphy and Brandon Myers are something to be happy about. Louis is actually a WR with hands along with production. FLA wideouts overall havent been stellar in the NFL, so that may give a little bit of a red flag. Myers is going to be the 2nd tight end no doubt. No more garbage Tony Stewart or guys like Mondriel Fulcher lol.
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yeah i like the murphy pick too where we got him was good value, i think he’ll turn out to be a better wr than bey
April 27th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
87 – Yes…we “could have” drafted Gilbert or anybody else but even if we had the chance…Al Davis would have drafted someone else, just like he did when Monroe and Crabtree were on the board.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
I just wonder if part of the reason we didn’t draft a base DE or a DE is because of an insistence that guys that were picked previously were not mistakes similar to the Sam Williams situation. That’s the thought that I try hard to not beleive
April 27th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
87
it aint over guy…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9lOOqZSS6M&feature=PlayList&p=B34C79A1C7B62553&index=14&playnext=7&playnext_from=PL
April 27th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
If Al Davis would have had a shot at Gilbert, he wouldn’t have drafted him because Gilbert is too big and too good against the run. He’d rather have the smallest/fastest Defensive End with the word “project” attached to him because hes so fukin bored and has way too much time on his hands that he wants to spend more time watching these guys develop for 10 years instead of getting someone who can be successful right NOW!
April 27th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Al thinks he has Tatum/Atkinson second coming with Tyvon Branch and Mike Mitchell maybe. Will it work out? I have no clue. I do know that both guys are supposedly versatile but most definitely have great closing speed. I havent seen the Raiders have 2 good safeties in a long long long time. I’m hoping for the best with this situation.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
87 – Yes…we “could have” drafted Gilbert or anybody else but even if we had the chance…Al Davis would have drafted someone else, just like he did when Monroe and Crabtree were on the board.
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that was the worst draft ive seen in a long time but ill give bey and them the benefit of the doubt till i see them play, its not their fault al surrounds himself with ex-raider yes-men and is totally out of sinc with todays nfl
April 27th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
408RAIDER Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
87
it aint over guy…
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i know, in hockey no lead is safe, more combacks from 4-0 amd 3-1 deficits than any other sport
April 27th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
JON GRUDEN A RAIDER AT HEART!!!
CHECK IT OUT
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d81000862
As I watched the NFL Network Crew on Sunday re-hash the Raiders pick of Michael Mitchell, the safety the Raiders picked at the 47th pick of the second round I had to laugh. I was thrilled with the pick and had just wrote an article on Mitchell a day before the draft.
Mayock and the rest of the ESPN Crew did not know much about Mitchell so, no team would consider picking this kid that high in the draft would they?. It would be a crazy mans call without the so called experts that walk on waters ok.
Never mind Mayock admitted not ever watching any film on the kid. Mayock walks on water and does not need to see the kid play in order to put a grade on the kid.
Never mind that the Chicago Bears had Mitchell targeted with their 49th pick per the story in the Chicago Tribune. Once the Raiders selected Mitchell the Bears traded out of the 49th pick. Wow, the Bears did not rank any of Mayock’s players still available as a value at that spot?
Never mind the Dallas Cowboys wanted Mitchell in round two and traded out after the Raiders took Mitchell. The Cowboys stated that the player they wanted was taken at the Raiders spot and also traded out.
Never mind that the Green Bay Packers, Colts, Texans and others had Mitchell in for a visit. The “experts” that did not have a clue on this kid were thrown for a loop and they did not like it.
The Raiders got the Safety that they had wanted from the get go. By trading down in round two, two spots before he would have come off the board. Looks like value to me if that is your player.
This whole time you have Jon Gruden just sitting there listening to the debate. But if you looked close you can see that Gruden has something on his mind.
Then Gruden speaks and using his hands and arms for effect he outlines the shape of the globe as he says, “Let me tell you this, the Oakland Raiders are global and have fans all over the World. I have been to Europe and you see Oakland’s Raiders gear all over the world. And I can tell you this, I was a Raider. Al Davis could care less about what any of us think or say up here and that I can promise you”.
You could have heard a pin drop, these men that have alway’s shown the Raider bias did not know what to say. Was this the man that they have all portrayed as someone that hates Al Davis and the Raiders?
If you take the time to read Grudens book you will see just what he thought of his time with the Raiders and working for Al Davis and it is nothing like the media portrays it.
At Gruden’s press conference when hired by the Bucs every one was expecting him to go off on the Raiders and Al Davis. What they received instead was a thank you to Al Davis and the Oakland Raiders for seeing the talent in this young Head Coach and giving him his chance at the top.
What I witnessed on the NFL Network that day was, “Once a Raider always a Raider” and you could see he was proud of his days in Oakland. Gruden also was not about to sit there and listen to these clowns spread their hate for anything Raider.
Gruden never got to answer the question asked of him which was, “Do you think that deep down Al Davis really cares about what we say but just acts like he does not?.
I can give you that answer, Al Davis worries about what you say and think about as much as I do getting jumped by a two-year-old.
Al Davis knows he made a mistake when he let Gruden go and admitted so at a press conference. Al Davis also know’s had he kept Gruden at least another year Al would have more then likely added another Super Bowl Trophy to the three he has.
It is a new day in Raiderland but at least as far as Gruden goes, “Once a Raider Always a Raider.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Its crazy but on another site some guy said early saturday morning DHB and Mike Mitchell were the first two picks. No BS. Everyone on the board thought he was nuts. Wild that crazy mofo knew this. Al was determined to get Bey since February and liked the visit with Mitchell enough to reach for him. Life is a gamble. High risk/High reward picks with Al
April 27th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Wow Jerry that was intriguing. Did you hurt yourself typing that post?
April 27th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
It seems like Al Davis is so busy trying to help people who are overlooked that he forgets he actually needs talent to be successful. Hey, if he wants to help people, he can donate to a cause but when it comes to the football team, draft legit people. I know hes looking for those gems and those people that will be so greatful for getting a chance from Al Davis but that doesn’t seem to work as well anymore. People get paid too much to give a sh!t anymore. $400,000 a year to sit on the bench? Those guys are Millionaires in just 3 years of sitting on the bench. Thats a cushy job.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Its crazy but on another site some guy said early saturday morning DHB and Mike Mitchell were the first two picks. No BS. Everyone on the board thought he was nuts. Wild that crazy mofo knew this. Al was determined to get Bey since February and liked the visit with Mitchell enough to reach for him. Life is a gamble. High risk/High reward picks with Al
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Oh yeah, what site would that have been BriEn?
April 27th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
it’s funny cuz I really didn’t want Maclin but Maclin didn’t sound so bad when we got DHB. I was just hopin for a DT in the 2nd which actually hurt more than the DHB pick
April 27th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
einstein that was funny
April 27th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Crack…here is a nitemare situation for me…Denver fires McDaniel next year and guess who goes there…Gruden…that would suck!!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
inonewordraider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
it’s funny cuz I really didn’t want Maclin but Maclin didn’t sound so bad when we got DHB. I was just hopin for a DT in the 2nd which actually hurt more than the DHB pick
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i felt the same way
April 27th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
I was completely pizzed about the DHB pick on Saturday. Maybe I’m just an optimist, but I’m starting to come around on it. Not that I’m completely sold, but I’m going to take a wait and see approach. It’ll be exciting the first time DHB runs a fly route and JaMarcus airs out a 60-yarder.
It’ll be extra sweet if both DHB and Mitchell shine in the NFL and completely embarrass the Raider haters and Al bashers out there.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Al is not out of touch with today’s NFL. He is just too stubborn of an old man to ever give in. He is an asshole like that lol. As Gruden did say…………..you think he gives a fuk what you or I think?
April 27th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
CRACKRAIDER – That brought a tear to my eye.
Its nice to know that Gruden is defending the Raiders. Its about time someone does it. Him and Rod Woodson.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
I’m out for now…Peace.
April 27th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
I was completely pizzed about the DHB pick on Saturday. Maybe I’m just an optimist, but I’m starting to come around on it. Not that I’m completely sold, but I’m going to take a wait and see approach. It’ll be exciting the first time DHB runs a fly route and JaMarcus airs out a 60-yarder.
It’ll be extra sweet if both DHB and Mitchell shine in the NFL and completely embarrass the Raider haters and Al bashers out there.
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I feel ya man. I mean at the end of the daythe decision always lies with Al. But drafting Bey and Mitchell high like that indicates you see them as starters so they should start at WR and SS. Fuk it because you passed over alot of wirthy guys for them. Let me see it now
April 27th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
worthy*
April 27th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
check out this scenerio- raiders down 17-24 to the chargers in the 3rd, russell back to pass , bey has jammer beat by ten yards and a deep route, perfect pass right in his……ooohhh and he drops the ball…. just a weird feeling
April 27th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Good post 294.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
# Einstein Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Its crazy but on another site some guy said early saturday morning DHB and Mike Mitchell were the first two picks. No BS. Everyone on the board thought he was nuts. Wild that crazy mofo knew this. Al was determined to get Bey since February and liked the visit with Mitchell enough to reach for him. Life is a gamble. High risk/High reward picks with Al
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Oh yeah, what site would that have been BriEn?
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FIB or fansinblack dot com
April 27th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Louis Murphy and Brandon Myers are something to be happy about. Louis is actually a WR with hands along with production. FLA wideouts overall havent been stellar in the NFL, so that may give a little bit of a red flag. Myers is going to be the 2nd tight end no doubt. No more garbage Tony Stewart or guys like Mondriel Fulcher lol.
======================================================= Why ??? im going to miss tony jumping on a punt and fumbling it….wow your not
April 27th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
# raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
check out this scenerio- raiders down 17-24 to the chargers in the 3rd, russell back to pass , bey has jammer beat by ten yards and a deep route, perfect pass right in his……ooohhh and he drops the ball…. just a weird feeling
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My god please dont say that. I’ll be there and that would be devastating
April 27th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Somebody posted links to radio interviews with DHB and Crabtree above. Is it me or is Crabtree COMPLETELY stoned in his interview?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
r8rpaver Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Louis Murphy and Brandon Myers are something to be happy about. Louis is actually a WR with hands along with production. FLA wideouts overall havent been stellar in the NFL, so that may give a little bit of a red flag. Myers is going to be the 2nd tight end no doubt. No more garbage Tony Stewart or guys like Mondriel Fulcher lol.
======================================================= Why ??? im going to miss tony jumping on a punt and fumbling it….wow your not
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lol
April 27th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
# Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
# KoolKell Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
2nd round pick Mike Mitchell wasn’t even invited to the combine.
I guess they love his acceleration to the ball and his ability to have a presence like he did in college. Just dont know how it will translate to starting in the NFL. Being picked that high means they think he is a starter now.
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Brien none of these guys are going to come in and start right away. Normally, I know what the Raiders are trying to accomplish. This draft, I have no idea. With sooooo many available open positions, These guys are ALL MAJOR projects. Every one of them. Now, each one of them has a huge upside, but not one of them can come in here RIGHT NOW and help this team win. Not even Myers, the TE from Iowa is an accomplished enough blocker to come in and play regularly. The one thing I think all these guys have in common is they are all high motor guys, which is kinda nice to see, and they will certainly push the starters or reserves in front of them on the depth chart. I actually DO like Mitchell the safety out of the Ohio valley, that conference produces good players, but he is most likely AT LEAST a year away from being productive at this level.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
# r8rpaver Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Louis Murphy and Brandon Myers are something to be happy about. Louis is actually a WR with hands along with production. FLA wideouts overall havent been stellar in the NFL, so that may give a little bit of a red flag. Myers is going to be the 2nd tight end no doubt. No more garbage Tony Stewart or guys like Mondriel Fulcher lol.
======================================================= Why ??? im going to miss tony jumping on a punt and fumbling it….wow your not
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No I’m going to miss him being a non factor in the pass game to free Miller up. Thank god Cable/Al got a backup TE
April 27th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Somebody posted links to radio interviews with DHB and Crabtree above. Is it me or is Crabtree COMPLETELY stoned in his interview?
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HAHA IT WAS ME…HE WAS LOOKING AT THE MIRROR TO SEE WHAT HE WAS GOING TO WEAR TODAY WHILE ON THE PHONE>>HAHAHA
April 27th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
murphy and myers might be our best picks of the weekend
April 27th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Somebody posted links to radio interviews with DHB and Crabtree above. Is it me or is Crabtree COMPLETELY stoned in his interview?
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Crabtree does not seem like the sharpest knife in the drawer. Might be one reason why we passed. That is a lesson from the New England playbook: get SMART guys!!
April 27th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
# Oakglenn Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
# Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
# KoolKell Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
2nd round pick Mike Mitchell wasn’t even invited to the combine.
I guess they love his acceleration to the ball and his ability to have a presence like he did in college. Just dont know how it will translate to starting in the NFL. Being picked that high means they think he is a starter now.
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Brien none of these guys are going to come in and start right away. Normally, I know what the Raiders are trying to accomplish. This draft, I have no idea. With sooooo many available open positions, These guys are ALL MAJOR projects. Every one of them. Now, each one of them has a huge upside, but not one of them can come in here RIGHT NOW and help this team win. Not even Myers, the TE from Iowa is an accomplished enough blocker to come in and play regularly. The one thing I think all these guys have in common is they are all high motor guys, which is kinda nice to see, and they will certainly push the starters or reserves in front of them on the depth chart. I actually DO like Mitchell the safety out of the Ohio valley, that conference produces good players, but he is most likely AT LEAST a year away from being productive at this level.
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So we basically drafted two developmental players with our top 2 picks? No guys who can start for the team? Wonder why people are pissed? Yeah I didnt expect things but thats every year. Some of the picks make you scratch your head
April 27th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Oakglenn Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Somebody posted links to radio interviews with DHB and Crabtree above. Is it me or is Crabtree COMPLETELY stoned in his interview?
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Crabtree does not seem like the sharpest knife in the drawer. Might be one reason why we passed. That is a lesson from the New England playbook: get SMART guys!!
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i heard alot of teams were turned off by his the world revolves around me attitude during interviews
April 27th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
# raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
murphy and myers might be our best picks of the weekend
So far thats what I’m thinking
April 27th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
# r8rpaver Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Louis Murphy and Brandon Myers are something to be happy about. Louis is actually a WR with hands along with production. FLA wideouts overall havent been stellar in the NFL, so that may give a little bit of a red flag. Myers is going to be the 2nd tight end no doubt. No more garbage Tony Stewart or guys like Mondriel Fulcher lol.
======================================================= Why ??? im going to miss tony jumping on a punt and fumbling it….wow your not
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Tony Stewart is nothing more than a special teamer, but I remember that play. The kicking team touched it first, inside our 5 but didn’t completely down it. When that happens, the receiving team can do whatever they want on the play and won’t lose posession, they have the right to take the ball at the spot where it was first touched. Stewart knew that. Somehow Rich Gannon — who is supposed to be Mr. Professional and ultra-prepared — was calling the game and had no clue about that rule. Tried to brush it off saying Stewart got “lucky” on that play. Another game later in the year Gannon was questioning a 15-yard facemask penalty, saying it should’ve been a 5-yarder … they did away with the 5-yard facemask penalty before last year. All facemask penalties are 15 yards now.
Not sure what my point is. Rich is OK. Just felt the need to point that out.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I’m worried that Mitchell wasn’t even third string all conference (in a weak conf). Anybody know wtats up with that?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
and i love the fact we drafted more undersized de’s that wont be able to stack the end on the run and wont be able to give a good push on a 325 lbs nfl o-lineman, what a historic draft
April 27th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Oakglenn, a few people in here were discussing the possibility to get another TE. It wasnt popular but it was imperative to get a guy who helped Miller in the pass game. They wanted Bear Pascoe but the niners got him. The team knew that was important. It wasnt about Myers taking over for Miller but he will be the 2nd TE day 1.
But I ask why wouldnt any of the draft picks start? Miller did as a rookie and was selected in the 2nd round. Gotta see how Napa treats people I guess
April 27th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
# raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
murphy and myers might be our best picks of the weekend
So far thats what I’m thinking
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Aren’t you happy that for once we actually took TE’s to play TE’s rather than converting some player…I watched the tube on Meyers. He sure is involved in their passing game.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
2 Rookie Safeties in the starting lineup, being played with by OC’s and QB’s?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
# Dan Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I’m worried that Mitchell wasn’t even third string all conference (in a weak conf). Anybody know wtats up with that?
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Yeah im lost on that as well
April 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Chris i know the rule its just the point WTF was he thinking…
April 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
and my god, kelly sands warren and joseph, im sure teams right now are preparing a pass only attack against us cuz running on these guys is going to be impossible!
April 27th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Louis Murphy made Eagle Scout, that’s good!
April 27th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
# KoolKell Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
2 Rookie Safeties in the starting lineup, being played with by OC’s and QB’s?
How about veterans like Eugene and Huff? Will that be all that much better than the rookies?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
# KoolKell Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
2 Rookie Safeties in the starting lineup, being played with by OC’s and QB’s?
How about veterans like Eugene and Huff? Will that be all that much better than the rookies?
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hopefully we wont play that ridiculous 1 deep saftey scheme this year, any saftey would look bad the way we used ours last year
April 27th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
# raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
and my god, kelly sands warren and joseph, im sure teams right now are preparing a pass only attack against us cuz running on these guys is going to be impossible!
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you forgot about ryan boschetti
April 27th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
# raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
and my god, kelly sands warren and joseph, im sure teams right now are preparing a pass only attack against us cuz running on these guys is going to be impossible!
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you forgot about ryan boschetti
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#1 against the run baby
April 27th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Safety is a position where you need some savvy.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
DHB might not “start” on opening night, but I am sure as I shyt that he will be on the field for a significant abount of plays.
Same with Mitchell. He at least see immediate STs duty, and he will be on the field in Nickel situations at a minimum when Huff slides to Rover.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
# raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
and my god, kelly sands warren and joseph, im sure teams right now are preparing a pass only attack against us cuz running on these guys is going to be impossible!
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you forgot about ryan boschetti
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#1 against the run baby
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were totally screwed
April 27th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
and i love the fact we drafted more undersized de’s that wont be able to stack the end on the run and wont be able to give a good push on a 325 lbs nfl o-lineman, what a historic draft
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You should know a little about football. It’s about technique more than size. Trevor Scott was undersized but he got half the sacks of the entire KC team. Whether these guys can play or not in the nfl we will see but for once it is not about size.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
You know what’s really funny? KC makes the same reach we made in taking Tyson Jackson instead of Curry. But they didn’t catch half the heat from Mayock.
Tyson Jackson might be a great talent but he could’ve been had 15 picks later, same as DHB but when we do it Mayock goes bananas as well as the entire ESPN staff.
Now tell me there’s nothing wrong there!
April 27th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
The issue I had with this draft is there were sooo many difference makers sitting there when we chose. You think Eugene Monroe or Ron Brace could help us right about now? Or even Lawrence Sidbury. Hayward-Bey actually reminds me A LOT of Tim Brown. Only without the pedigree, the production or the Heisman trophy in his carry on bag. And let’s not forget the much higher price tag DHB comes with.
You do see what Davis was doing tho. There was a MAJOR run on WR’s once Percy Harvin went to the Minnesota Jokings. That meant Hayward-Bey probably was going to be gone in the lst, or at the very latest 35th pick. With Andre Smith off the board, might as well take a top notch receiver. I just hope this guy can come in here and work his ASS off to become something decent.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
jhill Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
DHB might not “start” on opening night, but I am sure as I shyt that he will be on the field for a significant abount of plays.
Same with Mitchell. He at least see immediate STs duty, and he will be on the field in Nickel situations at a minimum when Huff slides to Rover.
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i posted this earlier
check out this scenerio- raiders down 17-24 to the chargers in the 3rd, russell back to pass , bey has jammer beat by ten yards and a deep route, perfect pass right in his……ooohhh and he drops the ball…. just a weird feeling
April 27th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Jhill, Cable already said he is playing Branch and Mitchell. 2nd round pick, you have to start.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Priesttj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
You know what’s really funny? KC makes the same reach we made in taking Tyson Jackson instead of Curry. But they didn’t catch half the heat from Mayock.
Tyson Jackson might be a great talent but he could’ve been had 15 picks later, same as DHB but when we do it Mayock goes bananas as well as the entire ESPN staff.
Now tell me there’s nothing wrong there!
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When you’re setting NFL records for losing, that’s what happens.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
and i love the fact we drafted more undersized de’s that wont be able to stack the end on the run and wont be able to give a good push on a 325 lbs nfl o-lineman, what a historic draft
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You should know a little about football. It’s about technique more than size. Trevor Scott was undersized but he got half the sacks of the entire KC team. Whether these guys can play or not in the nfl we will see but for once it is not about size.
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i know so you dont have to question that, so by your statment a 180 pound man as long as he has technique can get by a nfl o-lineman, actually de’s need to have have both, read my posts more carefully, i never said technique didnt matter
April 27th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Why do you guys even give a schytt about what the pundits say? All the experts had us landing TO.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
# Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
# Dan Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I’m worried that Mitchell wasn’t even third string all conference (in a weak conf). Anybody know wtats up with that?
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Yeah im lost on that as well
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Neither was Heyward-Bey. You would think the coaches of the respective conferences might know who the best players are.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
were just in here discussing things alis, were all fans in here trying to figure this train wreck of a draft out
April 27th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
# priesttj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
You know what’s really funny? KC makes the same reach we made in taking Tyson Jackson instead of Curry. But they didn’t catch half the heat from Mayock.
Tyson Jackson might be a great talent but he could’ve been had 15 picks later, same as DHB but when we do it Mayock goes bananas as well as the entire ESPN staff.
Now tell me there’s nothing wrong there!
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LOL I agree
April 27th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
# alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Jhill, Cable already said he is playing Branch and Mitchell. 2nd round pick, you have to start.
Yeah that seems to be the case maybe
April 27th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Oakglenn Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
# Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
# Dan Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I’m worried that Mitchell wasn’t even third string all conference (in a weak conf). Anybody know wtats up with that?
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Yeah im lost on that as well
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Neither was Heyward-Bey. You would think the coaches of the respective conferences might know who the best players are.
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according to al his 40 time qualifies him as a hall of famer
April 27th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
24, brought out something else i really appreciate Crabtree attitude is going to be a real problem. Which is why Cable came off him.
We didn’t move on T.O. for the very same reason. Mistakes are one thing a perpetual attitude is something different.
These kids think team first at least that’s the perception. So we’ll see
BTW no one was more upset than I was at the DHB pick, I don’t think I’ve ever been more pissed at Big Al. But in retrospect I have a hard time argueing with it.
Oak it was a foregone conclusion we weren’t going to draft a OT. I knew that and said it many times. t’s hard to be upset when I knew it would happen.
I’ve moved on…….plus I really like DHB just based on the interview. Great kid. If his talent is even close it’s a bigtime get. And believe or not our scouts do compare his talent to Randy Moss………….no kiddin’. So we’ll see.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
and i love the fact we drafted more undersized de’s that wont be able to stack the end on the run and wont be able to give a good push on a 325 lbs nfl o-lineman, what a historic draft
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You should know a little about football. It’s about technique more than size. Trevor Scott was undersized but he got half the sacks of the entire KC team. Whether these guys can play or not in the nfl we will see but for once it is not about size.
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i know so you dont have to question that, so by your statment a 180 pound man as long as he has technique can get by a nfl o-lineman, actually de’s need to have have both, read my posts more carefully, i never said technique didnt matter
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How big is Lamar Woodley in Pittsburg. Yeah he’s pretty good isnt he? He was thought as a tweener too. How good is Mike Vrable? I dont remember him being 280 lbs. you’re ignorant. sure you didnt say technique but you whined about size. I am trying to teach you that it’s not about size it is about technique. And using that 180 lbs example is stupid. There aint no such thing as an 180 lbs lineman. But there are 240lbs guys that can rush and play the D. The Colts have a DE that is 225lbs – 235lbs as a starter for many years.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Well since we got Bey and Murphy can we get rid of Walker?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
PriestJ, I think they compared him to Moss because of speed and jumping. He makes spectacular catches based on his highlights but I think he drops the easy ones.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
We took the best WR on the board at a position of need. Crabtree was never coming here with that attitude and slow projected 40 time. It was really between Maclin and DHB as far as the Raiders were concerned, and DHB won out b/c of speed (obviously), size, quickness, jumping ability, and playing in a system that they felt translated better to the NFL.
I hear ya 87 but my scenario has DHB getting behind Cromartie a couple of times for TDs. Which of course will mean that he has done his job already as we won’t see a S in the box for the rest of the year.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
and i love the fact we drafted more undersized de’s that wont be able to stack the end on the run and wont be able to give a good push on a 325 lbs nfl o-lineman, what a historic draft
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You should know a little about football. It’s about technique more than size. Trevor Scott was undersized but he got half the sacks of the entire KC team. Whether these guys can play or not in the nfl we will see but for once it is not about size.
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i know so you dont have to question that, so by your statment a 180 pound man as long as he has technique can get by a nfl o-lineman, actually de’s need to have have both, read my posts more carefully, i never said technique didnt matter
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How big is Lamar Woodley in Pittsburg. Yeah he’s pretty good isnt he? He was thought as a tweener too. How good is Mike Vrable? I dont remember him being 280 lbs. you’re ignorant. sure you didnt say technique but you whined about size. I am trying to teach you that it’s not about size it is about technique. And using that 180 lbs example is stupid. There aint no such thing as an 180 lbs lineman. But there are 240lbs guys that can rush and play the D. The Colts have a DE that is 225lbs – 235lbs as a starter for many years.
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not all players are going to be as good as the ones you mentioned, woodly is a lb stupid, since u cant keep this civilized, and the only one whining is u little girl u reacted to my post , my bad for upsetting u so much, we could have discussed this in a different way but… your a jerk, what can i say
April 27th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
jhill Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
We took the best WR on the board at a position of need. Crabtree was never coming here with that attitude and slow projected 40 time. It was really between Maclin and DHB as far as the Raiders were concerned, and DHB won out b/c of speed (obviously), size, quickness, jumping ability, and playing in a system that they felt translated better to the NFL.
I hear ya 87 but my scenario has DHB getting behind Cromartie a couple of times for TDs. Which of course will mean that he has done his job already as we won’t see a S in the box for the rest of the year.
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i hope he can come in and make a difference for us im pulling for all of them, i saw his interview and it looks like he gots a good head on his shoulders, the competition looks like its going to be good in camp though
April 27th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Well DHB is dangerous in the open field as long as he catches it. I’m sure he will get open
April 27th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
[...] Broncos, Chiefs and Raiders have signed some rookie free [...]
April 27th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
and i love the fact we drafted more undersized de’s that wont be able to stack the end on the run and wont be able to give a good push on a 325 lbs nfl o-lineman, what a historic draft
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not all players are going to be as good as the ones you mentioned, woodly is a lb stupid, since u cant keep this civilized, and the only one whining is u little girl u reacted to my post , my bad for upsetting u so much, we could have discussed this in a different way but… your a jerk, what can i say
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Just a note, Cable plans to use these “Undersized DE” your calling at the LB position this year. So yeah, Woodly is a LB, and so will these guys.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Morrison still shouldnt be starting at MLB. Wont work at all
April 27th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
IndianaRaider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
and i love the fact we drafted more undersized de’s that wont be able to stack the end on the run and wont be able to give a good push on a 325 lbs nfl o-lineman, what a historic draft
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not all players are going to be as good as the ones you mentioned, woodly is a lb stupid, since u cant keep this civilized, and the only one whining is u little girl u reacted to my post , my bad for upsetting u so much, we could have discussed this in a different way but… your a jerk, what can i say
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Just a note, Cable plans to use these “Undersized DE” your calling at the LB position this year. So yeah, Woodly is a LB, and so will these guys.
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so we are drafting guys who played end in college and now expect them to play sam or will? great ! let the projects begin!
April 27th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
This team can win. And we will win. I have unshakeable confidence lol.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
and my bad nation, i didnt know calling de’s undersized was so upsetting in here, wont happen again
April 27th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
goodnite yall. im out
April 27th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
I,m a huge fan of MLB Frantz Joseph, I couldnt beleive he went undrafted. This guy is a beast, I gaurantee (whtaever thats worth) that he will make the team.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
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not all players are going to be as good as the ones you mentioned, woodly is a lb stupid, since u cant keep this civilized, and the only one whining is u little girl u reacted to my post , my bad for upsetting u so much, we could have discussed this in a different way but… your a jerk, what can i say
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Hey idiot, Woodley is a hybrid that plays DE to rush the passer. The only DE we will have is Matt S. The other guys are competing for SAM position. On a 3rd down passing they will rush. If you really know your Raiders stuff, you’d understand that. But being ignorant, you just look at their mearsurements and make assumptions. Calbe already said Slade and Sulak are going to for the SAM. Matt S is 266lbs. and he is brought in to rush the passer. You should really knwo your Raiders if you want to be a knowledgeble fan.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
so we are drafting guys who played end in college and now expect them to play sam or will? great ! let the projects begin!
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http://www.raiders.com/Multimedia/MultimediaCenter.aspx?id=62554&categoryId=0
Cable clearly defines their place and position on the field. He wants to use them as a stand up LB and 3rd down stopper. Are they projects? Sure, but why complain about this team trying new things to fix our problems?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Jhill, Cable already said he is playing Branch and Mitchell. 2nd round pick, you have to start.
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Other than Q, safety might be the most difficult position in the league to learn. Mike Huff still hasn’t figured it out and he’s been here what, four years? I have a HARD time believing Mitchell is going to come in here and get a lot of playing time. Especially coming from a small college program. No way that is going to happen unless he is just fantastic, brilliant, or they just throw him out there to learn on the fly.
Unless all these guys come in here and completely utterly dominate the other scrubs during the preseason, I don’t see any of these guys getting a lot of playing time during the season.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
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not all players are going to be as good as the ones you mentioned, woodly is a lb stupid, since u cant keep this civilized, and the only one whining is u little girl u reacted to my post , my bad for upsetting u so much, we could have discussed this in a different way but… your a jerk, what can i say
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Hey idiot, Woodley is a hybrid that plays DE to rush the passer. The only DE we will have is Matt S. The other guys are competing for SAM position. On a 3rd down passing they will rush. If you really know your Raiders stuff, you’d understand that. But being ignorant, you just look at their mearsurements and make assumptions. Calbe already said Slade and Sulak are going to for the SAM. Matt S is 266lbs. and he is brought in to rush the passer. You should really knwo your Raiders if you want to be a knowledgeble fan.
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im not going to keep arguing about it with you, apoligize for calling u names, lets just be cool, but what i have a concern about is teaching guys a different position that arnt the greatest athletes in the 1st place, all these guys played end in college except the guy from oregon or oregon st. i forgot what college hes from
April 27th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
IndianaRaider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
so we are drafting guys who played end in college and now expect them to play sam or will? great ! let the projects begin!
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http://www.raiders.com/Multimedia/MultimediaCenter.aspx?id=62554&categoryId=0
Cable clearly defines their place and position on the field. He wants to use them as a stand up LB and 3rd down stopper. Are they projects? Sure, but why complain about this team trying new things to fix our problems?
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im not complainig im just discussing, i thoughts thats what we are here for, if im wrong let me know , cool, but i can disagree and yall shouldnt get so upset
April 27th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
It’s a great to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
Be objective when rating a player, before condemning the pick.
DHB’s herky-jerky, super-athletic style of running and then catching (yes, he DOES catch) the ball looks an awful lot like one T.O.
If his athleticism translates like T.O.’s does, and he comes with the attitude he’s respected for, DHB could become the best WR drafted this year.
Anybody saying he has less chance than any other PROSPECT to be a big success isn’t looking at him objectively.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
I have hopes for this linebacker Franz Joseph. He is a beast at least at the level he has been playing at, but he only ran a 4.83 forty and only 19 bench presses. Those aren’t very good measurables, but he didn’t have the advantage of the training that the guys from the other schools had. I hope that when he gets a chance to work with professional trainers that he will be able to improve his strength and maybe even quickness. Ray Muauluga I believe also ran a 4.83 at the combine, although he did run faster at his pro day. Of course if you are running through and shedding blockers then 4.83 isn’t bad. I look forward to seeing what he can do in mini camp.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
indy u say im complaining, alis says im whining, why u guys attacking me for just discussing these guys, u related to any of them?, anybody else in here reading this?
April 27th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Tom Cable says they drafted ” The Raider Way.”
Says they drafted guys who fit “The Raider Mold.”
2 questions come to mind for me:
1- Are we as fans supposed to feel good about that?
2- How has drafting the ” Raider Way” been working lately?
P.S.
2nd rd picks are supposed to contribute immediately.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Huff is going to be on the field before Mitchell and Stanford Routt. Huff played A LOT of corner last year, as well as S.
I do see Branch starting though, and I see Mitchell getting time like Branch got last year before he got hurt.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
HD37, you are completely right. My issue is we once again grabbed a bunch of incredible athletes. All these guys (other than Shaunessy), are pretty remarkable athletes. Whether they can become actual players is up to the team, the coaching staff, and they themselves.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
On the bright side if one of these linebackers makes it maybe that will be the end of Sam Williams.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
jhill Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Huff is going to be on the field before Mitchell and Stanford Routt. Huff played A LOT of corner last year, as well as S.
I do see Branch starting though, and I see Mitchell getting time like Branch got last year before he got hurt.
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if the scheme gets some tweaking i think huff can be a great player, hes showed flashes(plus i have his jersey) he can cover a te and he can cover ground, he needs to play and develope trust with another good saftey and i think he’ll be ok
April 27th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
raiderkoolaid Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
On the bright side if one of these linebackers makes it maybe that will be the end of Sam Williams.
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god i hope that happens
April 27th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
87, it came off you where more on the lines of complaining and making comments rather than offering constructive discussions. I’m not worried about it either way, just pointing out what Cable has planned. If I read it wrong, then my bad.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
There are a lot of things to look forward to including the UDFA’s.
If Morrison is as bad as we think he is as a MLB, the film won’t lie to the coaches and Frantz should make the team, right? Now if he gets cut in training camp, then what? Maybe Morrison isn’t as bad as we/I thought he was.
The one thing that irks me about Morrison is his unwillingness to take on blockers in the hole, instead trying to run around the block. When we look at guys like Maulauga taking on pulling Gs and knocking them on their rear ends, and ALSO making the play, it makes me really question Morrison as a MLB.
That’s why I like Ricky Brown! He takes on blockers instead on playing pansy with them.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
I agree with Nnamdi’s take on Huff, saying his best position is Rover, not S. He said Huff should be free to cover the elite TEs, cover the slot WR, AND drop back into coverage.
April 27th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
IndianaRaider Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
87, it came off you where more on the lines of complaining and making comments rather than offering constructive discussions. I’m not worried about it either way, just pointing out what Cable has planned. If I read it wrong, then my bad.
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no problem, im pulling for these guys, and if cables doing that, thanks for letting me know, so that means we didnt do 1 thing to help out the d-line, we got the exact same guys from last year that were so horrible, thats not complaining, thats the truth
April 27th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
And OG is right, too, about Mitchell learning to play safety in the NFL — there is no replacement for experience for safeties at this level. Too many ways to get schooled.
Mitchell should end up with lots of playing time if we’re right about his abilities. Whether he starts or not is another question.
Mike Mitchell has the dubious distinction (and impossible task of living up to?) of going from a nobody to a wannabe to everybody’s unknown sleeper pick to the expected savior of the backfield…
…Mitchell doesn’t realize it yet — but he is now officially overrated!
April 27th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
no problem, im pulling for these guys, and if cables doing that, thanks for letting me know, so that means we didnt do 1 thing to help out the d-line, we got the exact same guys from last year that were so horrible, thats not complaining, thats the truth
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Cable made reference to adding depth at the “holes” he felt were a major need at the draft. he blamed the run d problem on both Ryan’s D and our linemen’s wanting to be here and wanting to play. After addressing the TE, WR, S, and LB slots which were his major 4, he now plans to add FA and UDFA to both sides of the line. Will it be 100% better? No, but then again, it wouldn’t take much to be an improvement.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
im out nation
April 27th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Here’s some footage on Frantz Joseph.
http://draftguys.com/index.php/articles/dgtv_1/frantz_joseph_-_lb_-_florida_atlantic/
I beleive this guy has a chance to be a starting ILB with Morrison going to the strong side. He is solid vs. the run & can be atleast a 2 down LB.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Huff is gone guys. Guaranteed! Cable didnt even bother to mention Huff. No way in hell Mitchell doesnt start right away. Too much pressure now to start Mitchell after the shcytt the Raiders stirred up. Dont forget Kirk Morrison started in his rookie year. The MLB is a very tough position too.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Thats what Franz Joseph does. He takes on blockers in the hole and knocks them on there butts. He has yet to do it at the highest level though.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
DBH TO BE INTERVIEWED TONIGHT ON THE TONY BRUNO SHOW…
April 27th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
HD37, I really like his size and from the scouting reports I read his athleticism is outstanding. Most see him as a track guy and I understand that. But based on the reports the kid has outstanding body control which is very rare for track guy’s. Which are very straight linish.
I can’t wait to see this kid on film. If he’s anything like they say he is. I’m on board.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
one of our weakest link on the team is having LB’s that can rush the QB. I hope we get LUCKY that one of the new guys can do it. Maybe it was the scheme but I think Morriosn and Howard are more of coverage guys than rushing guys.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
did that Cosby kid ever get drafted? or did Bill Cosby waiste his time sitting with him yesterday LOL
April 27th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
BTW the only player I’m not worried about carrying his weight is Mitchell. If I’m wrong I’ll be the 1st to admit it. But that kid is as real as they come. Had he been able to get to the combine or an all-star game to show his wares he would’ve gone top 10.
So we’ll see
April 27th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Al did what all the prognosticators said he would do despite the Raiders having the real need of talent on the lines.
The fact is the Raiders have lost six straight years with 11 losses or more each year so what Al is doing isn’t working. We can start with the instability at the head coaching job with the trickle down constant change a huge detriment.
But more so is the lack of talent on the lines. If Al focused his money on making the “O” line and “D” line the best in football instead of the skill positions the Raiders would have turned around in two years instead of heading into a possible 7th losing year with the much harder schedule looming ahead. If Al was the CEO of a corporation with the payroll the size of the Raiders he would have been fired three times over.
Al, ya can draft all the WRs and RBs and Qbs you want but until the our lines can consistently push their repective opponent linemen around it likely means another losing year.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
priesttj ,
i not worried about mitchell either.just come to camp and play your game.he`ll be allright.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Gotta love guys who say a UDFA will end up starting at LB. LOL!
Anyone wanna bet Franz Ferdinand or wutever the heck his name is never plays a snap in the NFL?
April 27th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
BlackDeath,
What makes you say you arent worried about Mitchell? Why do you think he will be such a good player?
April 27th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
I didn’t say a thought he would start. I said I had hopes for him. Sometimes some of those small school guys have fallen through the cracks and it turns out they can play.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Mad road Dog, maybe you missed it but we pushed around 2 pretty good playoff calibre teams late last year. In fact we dominated one of them in their house.
We got 2 great coaches fired named Shanahan and Gruden. Remember them they used to work for us. We flat kicked their butts in their house.
And there’s film of both those games if you can get it.
Look anyone in here that thinks Cable and Mr Davis don’t understand the need to have solid lines is fooling themselves. Cable played there and the raiders underr Big Al have had some of the greatest lines in NFL history. So this Al Davis is clueless how to biuld a team crap is just that CRAP.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Fair enough
April 27th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Al Davis USED to know how to build a team. The game has flat passed him by.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
More Frantz Joseph.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qR2UtcxjpbQ&feature=related
I’m just excited about this kid, my personal favorite in the draft.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Ghost,
Y do you think he went undrafted?
April 27th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Regarding the ease at which many of you think Al can turn it around and should have turned around by now. For many its just draft some OL and DL and we win. My opinion is Al has struck out on the last four coaches he hired. He misjudged their abilities. He screwed up royally with Calahan and Shell and Turner did not have the energy to turn this around and Kiffin while talented did not have the maturity to work with someone like AD. I don’t think a couple of probowl caliber DL or OL whould have made much difference with the massive disfunction we had with the coaching starting with Superbowl week 2002 all the way until the last 6 games of last season.
We have been wondering in the desert and I really do not care how well you draft if you do not create a winning environment with the coaching you are screwed. I hope Cable can pull this off. I hope the reason we were so bad against the run was the LB play and safety play along with problems with the scheme. Based on how we drafted I think that is what Cable and our DC think is the problem. I do not think anyone we would have drafted at 7 could have helped us on the DL to the tune of the contract they would have gotten. Frankly in looking at our choices I thought the table was set to really score an OT. Based on the non selection of Ohtour and Monroe I think Cable is confident in Henderson’s development and Barnes and Pears ability to compete on the right side. I hope he is right.
In looking at what we had for a choice at 7 I almost wish we did “a Minnesota” and let teams pick for about 7 picks then pick DHB. At least it would have been entertaining!
April 27th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Dude, I’ll take that bet.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Al Davis is clueless about how to build a team. He drafted defensive backs in the first round in 5 of 8 drafts and drafted a kicker in 1 of the other 3.
We need linemen.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
I seriously doubt Huff is going anywhere. The team already has enough cap hits and with Walker’s run almost over, Huff will be here another year. Besides, you wouldn’t want to start the team with 3 safetys would you? Huff might start until Mitchell is ready to play and then replaced next season.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Ghost,
1000 dollars via PayPal
April 27th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Woa ..
A G-banger?
I think you better clarify never plays an NFL snap.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Does that include STs?
If so, what’s your pay pal info?
I’ll take that bet!
April 27th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
I think if you look around at the teams who have won consistently the last 10 years you’ll see that the D-Line is more highly invested in than the O-line. Look at New England, Pittsburgh, Indy, Philly, San Diego, Carolina (I’m sure I missed one somewhere but hear me out). At first glance, I’d say on average one player on each line is/was a first rounder. The success of the O-line is highly dependent on coaching and cohesion. Of course talent matters, but I think it speaks to 1960AutumnWind’s point about one guy coming in and “fixing” the issues. This is a theory; I’m interested in what you all think.
Now on Defense, I’d be more inclined to say yeah, go spend some first day picks on the line…based on the above examples.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
I knew he was underated, but thought he will still get drafted. For whatever reason he didn’t, but I beleive the Raiders got a good football player. It’s a good story bound to happen.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Regular season snap. Hell, I will include special teams. Let me get a PayPal acct set up and the betting window will open for business!! I will just take bets from whoever wants to bet for how ever much you want.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Kirk how many do we need? why don’t you call up Cable and tell him his business?
Think you know line better? let’s see how much better coach?
All you know it alls never put together a Pop Warner team yet Al Davis and Tom Cable are idiots in your eyes. Excuse me! but I’ll bet on the pros.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Mostly overreactions.
Guys step outside the “But I wanted this guy at this spot rhetoric” and you’ll come to see that this really wasn’t that bad of a draft.
Everyone has their panties in a bunch b/c some guy was picked where Mayock, Kiper et al did not have them on THEIR boards at THAT spot. Sht …its THEIR O.P.I.N.I.O.N! Its not law or fact on person is better than the other or one should be picked over the other. Its all opinion. Kiper, Mayock etc reaction was the typical knee jerk reaction when someone challenges your opinion.
DHB could be a pretty good pick in a few. Mitchell could complete/complement Branch – two hard hitting, intmidating safeties that can tackle. Murphy was a good value pick. And the DEs will be stand-up LBs, specifically STRONG-SIDE LBs and backup LBs to spell MoHo per the Raiders needs.
It was a good draft. (We all want linemen. I mean which team doesn’t?)
April 27th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
NFL snap period? Or with the Raiders?
Just clarifying …
April 27th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Dude, save yor money for the Frantz Joseph jersey your gonna wanna buy.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Priest,
How has Al done the last 6 years?
April 27th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
Ahh Jhill, very sneaky. NFL snap. Teams usually dont line up for the Raiders cast offs.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
1960Autumnwind-
I couldn’t agree more. New D scheme and when winning firstdown, turnover and sack stats, we win games. Like Cable said “DHB helps everone on the offense” and we need to score more TDs (not just FGs or special team returns)
April 27th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
It’s OK to debate amongst ourselves but when I hear this stuff about they don’t know what they’re doing as if someone in here does…………I’m sorry but that’s where you lose me.
Cable’s job is on the line, which one of you genius’s is willing to bet your future on this?
April 27th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Ghost,
If I DONT have money riding on it I hope the kid does make it. I just know, odds are, he wont.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
The game is won on the line.
Is it a coincidence that when the Raiders were great they had All Pro linemen?
April 27th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
You’re trippin, Dude ..
you’re going to be on the spot for a lot of coin.
Joseph was a projected 4th rd pick, not quite sure why he slipped, but he doesn’t seem like an out of the league kinda guy.
But I’m Mayocking that as I’ve don’t have a report on him, and have watched the you-tube, i mean film of him yet.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Lets ALL pretend the Defensive Scheme will change because theres a new defensive puppe…er Coordinator.
April 27th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Dude, how’s he done over his career? He’s rebiult this team and they are on the way up, if you can’t see or except that then step.
There’s a team right accross the bay, C ya’
April 27th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
#374 I think some of the DEs actually played LB in college also. Hybrids. Still most drafting that late will involve projects by default.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Like I said before….Cable blamed Rob Ryan and the Defensive Coaching staff for the problems on the defense. Fine…he knows more than I do about such things.
But I do know that Tommy Kelly is the 2nd highest paid DT in the NFL! Gerard Warren and Terdell Sands are in the upper tier highly paid NTs….
So Dwayne Board and John Marshall are good coaches…Okay…they went to a Super Bowl.
I am expecting that Kelly becomes a Pro-Bowl caliber DT….I am also expecting that Warren and Sands are the space eating machines that Haynesworth, Rogers, Ngata and Casey Hampton are.
There is no reason any Raider fan should expect less.
The Raiders passed up a lot of players in the draft and free agency the past two years…because of all the confidence that Cable has explicitly professed in the DTs…
The success of this defense rests on their collective shoulders….Especially with the run oriented teams on the schedule this year from within our division, the NFC Eat and AFC North.
If you pay attention to Russell’s development…you really should be following Kelly/Warren/Sands development just as closely.
The coaches better ride those three all the way to Monday Night!!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Do projections matter now that the draft has actually happened?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Want Pro Bowlers, win the division.
We win the division this year, Gallery is a SURE pro bowler. If Henderson pitches another shut out, he’ll be there too.
Again, if we win the division.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
On the way up?? How so?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
first time post here, apologies for the length. if you’re already sick to your back teeth of the crabtree vs heyward-bey debate, then just skip this (although the debate is only going to intensify as the season draws nearer). i’ve had some time to digest the #7 pick and here’s my 2 cents:
after the draft, i went back to youtube to watch crabtree’s highlights again. now that i knew he wasn’t going to be a raider, i wanted to see how his video looked when viewing it through a more critical lens (youtube isn’t the greatest scouting aide in the world but it’s all that most of us have). in addition to looking at heyward-bey’s clips again, i also wanted to do some more research on where the pair of them were coming from in terms of their college careers.
it was still plain to see that there is no doubting crabtree’s ability to catch the ball when in single coverage but there were very few instances of when he was in double coverage thanks to the constant use of 4 or 5 WR sets. of course, it would have been far more impressive if he had been piling up his numbers whilst drawing more than one defender. meanwhile, heyward-bey was the only legitimate receiving threat at maryland in a run-first system that featured, at best, spotty QB play. consequently, he spent much of the time being double and sometimes even triple covered in order to limit his threat. thus, his numbers weren’t ever going to be anywhere near as gaudy as crabtree’s.
clearly, they both came from very different programs which makes comparison rather muddied but this rarely ever seems to get mentioned in any discussion about their individual merits because crabtree’s stats seem to immediately trump everything. perhaps his inflated stats are just as much, if not more, a testament to the success of texas tech’s implementation of the spread offense as they are to crabtree’s own ability. after all, there was someone throwing him all those TD passes (graham harrell, who didn’t even get drafted – the knock against him is that he piled up big numbers in the spread offense…and yet somehow the self-anointed ‘draft experts’ don’t hold this against crabtree.)
when crabtree breaks into the open on his youtube highlight clips, he is caught from behind in almost every instance. when heyward-bey sees the same kind of daylight, which he didn’t get the chance to see nearly as often as crabtree, he’s usually gone (which begs the question: so what can this kid do if he’s not frequently being doubled)? it wasn’t easy trying to find similar plays on both of their highlight reels to make a direct comparison (largely thanks to texas tech’s spread offense) but i did find one instance in which both players run a bubble screen: crabtree takes off for a nice long gain and then gets tackled. heyward-bey takes it to the house for 6.
also, crabtree’s highlight reel could quite easily double as a “how not to cover people or tackle anyone” video: the quality of the defending, particularly in the secondary, is often quite shocking. crabtree played for texas tech in the big 12 and i’ve read more than a couple of reports on the relatively poor standard of defending across that conference. heyward-bey played at a smaller school, maryland, but still within the respected ACC.
so how did ACC players fare in the draft compared to players from the big 12? turns out that 28 players were drafted this year from crabtree’s big 12 conference and there wasn’t a cornerback amongst them (other than darcel bath from crabtree’s own school). however, 33 players were drafted from heyward-bey’s ACC, including 2 corners (and a third from maryland, kevin barnes) and a few safeties as well. so it would appear that the nfl draft brains seem to have at least thought that there was a bit more talent in the ACC (defensive ‘man of the draft’, aaron curry, played for wake forest in the ACC). so not only were crabtree and heyward-bey obviously in very different offenses, they were arguably playing against different quality defenses as well.
so how on earth did crabtree somehow turn out to be the unanimous, hands-down, can’t miss choice for top WR prospect? are people so blinded by pure stats that they are unwilling to dig a little bit deeper to see what lurks beneath?
the niners drafted a WR named rashaun woods a few years back in the 1st round and he too smashed all sorts of records in the big 12 conference. he caught 7 total passes for the niners, tore his thumb, got cut, briefly bounced around the league and ended up in the CFL. last year, he got cut from the hamilton tiger cats and is currently out of work at age 28. oh, and he scored one more TD than crabtree did and is still the big 12 TD record holder.
i suppose the point is that, despite what many people seem to think, there are absolutely no guarantees of nfl success for crabtree; his collegiate statistics mean very little in terms of gauging whether or not he’ll be a quality nfl player. and, if everyone looked at the whole picture, they might agree that crabtree has just as many challenges to overcome as the less media-fancied heyward-bey does in order to be successful in the league.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Seriously, how many more 10+ loss seasons will it take for some of you to come to the conclusion that Al is done?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
jhill Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Want Pro Bowlers, win the division.
We win the division this year, Gallery is a SURE pro bowler. If Henderson pitches another shut out, he’ll be there too.
Again, if we win the division.
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Agree. If the O-line does it’s job as a WHOLE, the offense looks good = O-Linemem get recognition. This is more a result of the success of the unit than any individual part(s).
April 27th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
As for the draft…These young guys have to play out of the chute. I really don’t want to see a replay of last year where we wait until week 12 before the youngsters are starting. The lineup going into camp should be:
X – Heyward-Bey, Walker
Y – Schilens, Murphy
Z – JLH
Cuts / Practice Squad – Shields, Watkins, Holland
April 27th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
I agree with you 100% about Kelly earning that check. I hope the Raiders expect as much and utilize him like Seymore, the player they compared him to when announcing the deal. I want to see him moved all over that Dline and cause havoc from different spots.
In other words, I hope we are just not the same ole vanilla defense we saw under Ryan.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
#437 – Holy crap. Nicely done. That really adds some perspective to the debate…now I REALLY can’t wait to see these two in action.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
SnB it’s easy to pontificate like that about who should do what. All they have to do is their jobs and help the team win………..period.
Hell I could say the same about your precious Raji that he should go to the probowl as well. They just have to win.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Dude Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Lets ALL pretend the Defensive Scheme will change because theres a new defensive puppe…er Coordinator.
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im willing to give this guy a shot.. since he coached a 4-3 defense to a superbowl.. rather then a guy whose career has been the 3-4
April 27th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
1960 ..nice write-up. Absolutely correct on MD’s system, the attn DHB got (double/triple covered), and poor QB.
But I take issue with you calling Marlyand a “small” school. MD is HUGE! student body wise. Maybe you meant smaller program? I don’t know.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
That was Ray Rhodes D that went to the Superbowl.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
i overheard an interview on knbr that Mitchell has a tendency to become a non-factor on, alway going for the “big play” and that he will most likely never become NFL starter.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
wutup nation
April 27th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
nader64 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
#437 – Holy crap. Nicely done. That really adds some perspective to the debate…now I REALLY can’t wait to see these two in action.
thanks. had to get it off my chest!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
AutumnWind…I may not agree with all your points but I appreciate the manner in which you went to length to dissect this guy. Good job bro.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Terrapin Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
1960 ..nice write-up. Absolutely correct on MD’s system, the attn DHB got (double/triple covered), and poor QB.
But I take issue with you calling Marlyand a “small” school. MD is HUGE! student body wise. Maybe you meant smaller program? I don’t know.
yes, only meant smaller football program compared to some others (one that punches above its weight, shall we say), not a reflection on the school as a whole.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
No way Raiderrej, the Raiders drafted him so hes a guaranteed NFL starter! Dznt matter he couldnt get a combine invite and couldnt even get ALL MAC third team.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
priesttj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
SnB it’s easy to pontificate like that about who should do what. All they have to do is their jobs and help the team win………..period.
Hell I could say the same about your precious Raji that he should go to the probowl as well. They just have to win.
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Oh no my friend. I am over the whole Raji deal. I am happy that Raji and Aaron Curry for that matter are in the NFC.
But Kelly/Warren/Sands can’t be just another guy. I am on board with Tom Cable…Cable said that the teaching was bad and that they had good DTs. You can’t sit there and say that last year was acceptable.
Nor can you sit back and just be okay with, mediocre, at best performance. Those three guys have to step up. The Raiders are built around speed on the outside and in the linebacker. The guys up the middle have to move the running plays to the outside so that the speed at linebacker and safety can run and make the hit.
If Brandon Jacobs breaks clean up the middle on a dive play….we are hit up real bad.
I am with Kelly/Warren/Sands….John Marshall and Dwayne Board have been to a Super Bowl and coached some good 49er teams in the past. I have confidence in them.
I expect our DTs to play to their contracts and be at a Pro-Bowl level
April 27th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
#437 From one Wind to Another Good points!
I was really really glad we did not draft Crabtree… I don’t really like the DHB much either but at least DHB is going to come in and work hard and not be a primadona.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Marshall was elevated to the defensive coordinator position prior to the 2005 season. His defense led the NFL with 50 sacks, allowed only one 100-yard rusher, finished second in the NFL in red zone defense (40.4%) and rushing touchdowns allowed (5) en route to a berth in Super Bowl XL.
as per Raiders.com
April 27th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
AutumnWind…I may not agree with all your points but I appreciate the manner in which you went to length to dissect this guy. Good job bro.
thank you very much. i just feel that there are too many people right now who are too quick to make a snap judgment without going beyond the mere stats.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
SnB,
You EXPECT the DTs to be at a PB level?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
April 27th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Dude Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
No way Raiderrej, the Raiders drafted him so hes a guaranteed NFL starter! Dznt matter he couldnt get a combine invite and couldnt even get ALL MAC third team.
we should draft Brock Lesnar!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
As for the offense…1st and 2nd round picks are expected to contribute immediately. Not be developmental guys that take time to gel.
Plus this is not a team that is stacked with highly productive veterans.
I would rather see Heyward-Bey get after it then waste half a year with Javon Walker out there. Gotta play him and play him now.
I hated the way DMAC was used last year.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
LAKERSSSSSSSSSS BABYYYYYYYY
April 27th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
it would be nice if they win a game next year
April 27th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Well…alot of people were positive about this team before the draft even happened. I heard 10-6 and all that but now people see our draft and we’re going 2-14 now. We really have no idea whats going to happen, who’s going to start and whatever else. Remember that 3rd Round Defensive End we all thought was bad@$$, only to watch him get released before the season started? We just don’t know. The important thing is, we have ALOT of competition at many different positions for this season, so hopefully we get the best at each position and we also get depth.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Elevated because Rhodes was sick and couldnt be on the field during games. Rhodes called the shots, ask anyone with knowledge of the Seahawks and they will confirm it.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Tomycar Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Marshall was elevated to the defensive coordinator position prior to the 2005 season. His defense led the NFL with 50 sacks, allowed only one 100-yard rusher, finished second in the NFL in red zone defense (40.4%) and rushing touchdowns allowed (5) en route to a berth in Super Bowl XL.
as per Raiders.com
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hope he can do the same for us,from what i read about him he’s an upgrade over rr, im not even going to spell out his name
April 27th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Fine by me all I want then to do is play well and help us win. I couldn’t care less about probowls and the like. That stuff is too subjective. I want to win………..period.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
as long as Mitchel comes in and plays hard and KO’s people.. no one will even care that he didnt play in all stars or invited to the combine.. i liked what i saw from him on Youtube.. dude has some serious instincts disects plays like i havent seen a raider safety do in years.. and lays the wood.. im willing to give the kid a shot…
April 27th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Can you even imagine what the reaction would be if say the Chargers picked Mitchell in early RD 2….. All you clowns would be KILLING the bolts!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Dude Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
SnB,
You EXPECT the DTs to be at a PB level?
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Yes. They are paid to be very good. Why would give “what was at the time” the richest contract to a Defensive Tackle and not expect him to be anything but among the top 3 or 4 at his position.
Same with Warren and Sands…they should be great
We expect Nnamdi to excel. We are looking for DMAC to light it up. JaMarcus is anticipated to have a good year….so why would you give the 2nd highest paid DT in the NFL a pass?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
#437 From one Wind to Another Good points!
I was really really glad we did not draft Crabtree… I don’t really like the DHB much either but at least DHB is going to come in and work hard and not be a primadona.
thanks, my fellow wind. i agree: DHB is a pretty sound guy and we needn’t worry about him spraying people with champagne or shooting himself in the leg; he will come in to work hard and get his nose down. there may be some questions about his technique (and that’s where the coaching comes in) but there can be little doubt over his athleticism or his mentality.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
Tomy,
How does a guy like that slip threw SO many cracks?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
all im posting is whats there.. Seahawks were the second team he coached to a superbowl..
April 27th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
# priesttj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
SnB it’s easy to pontificate like that about who should do what. All they have to do is their jobs and help the team win………..period.
Hell I could say the same about your precious Raji that he should go to the probowl as well. They just have to win.
My gawd buttholeprick
Don’t you realize that your chit is the stinkiest on the board :rol:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
SnB,
Werent you the guy just destroying those guys before the draft?? Now you expect them to be PBers? Am I missing something?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Ray Rhodes has had mediocre defenses everywhere he went..
April 27th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Ray Rhodes is an oldschool DC, used to coach the Niners. I know him well as I do Dwain Board. They are both from the old school. John Marshall I don’t know but hpe to get to know. They will play sound technigue football attack style football. Where the talent dictates the level of play not schemes.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Marshall was a coach, but he didnt run the D. Marshall probably is a good coach but he aint changing the Raider D.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
April 27th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
I wanted Crabtree to be the pick but after listening to an interview of him on KNBR this morning I am glad we didn’t pick him. I can see what the Cleavland coach saw in him. He was so into himself and obsessed with his wardrobe that the term diva certainly fits. He also couldn’t out of simple courtesy say anything nice about DHB even when it was pointed out to him that DHB had spoken well of him in an earlier interview. He may turn out to be a great player like T. O. but he won’t be a very good team mate.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
By all accounts, the Chiefs and Chargers had bad drafts.
We dont give a fugg about their team. Do you see anyone commenting on them?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
I’m not saying this because my nickname is 24 but I think Michael Huff is a good player. Has he underachieved big time? Absolutely but I really place alot of the blame on Rob Ryan because our defense sucked every year except one year and even that was misleading because of our offense. Huff was 1 of 11 players and I’d say only Asomugha and Howard played well so Huff failed along with 8 other guys. In John Marshall’s defense, I believe he will have more 2 deep safeties which will allow Huff to cover one half of the field instead of the whole field and that makes all the difference in the world.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
# priesttj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Ray Rhodes is an oldschool DC, used to coach the Niners. I BLOW him well as I do Dwain Board. They are both from the old school. John Marshall I don’t know but hpe to get to know. They will play sound technigue football attack style football. Where the talent dictates the level of play not schemes.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
its simple.. he is a raider.. he has had success as a 4-3 DC.. Ryans expertese was 3-4.. he coached 2 teams to a superbowl.. im going to give him the benefit of the doubt.. hell even Ray Rhodes is a upgrade over Ryan.. and Rhodes defenses have been mediocre
April 27th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
And the Donks.
Who cares?!?!?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
What’s up guys, and Dude. lol
April 27th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
priesttj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Fine by me all I want then to do is play well and help us win. I couldn’t care less about probowls and the like. That stuff is too subjective. I want to win………..period.
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I said Pro-Bowl level. Its one of those “you know it when you see it” type things.
Cable acknowledges there was a problem with the defense last year. He believes it was do to teaching and coaching. That’s cool. I’ve seen coaches turn around poor defenses before.
But let’s not settle for low expectations here. 31st against the run is not some made up phantom number. It suggests a big problem.
We need those guys to step up big time for the defense.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
# priesttj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Ray Rhodes is an oldschool DC, used to coach the Niners. I BLOW him well as I do Dwain Board. They are both from the old school. John Marshall I don’t know but hpe to get to know. They will play sound technigue football attack style football. Where the talent dictates the level of play not schemes.
This comes from the same guy
that claimed to be a CIA spy in the Phillipines 
April 27th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
in bey we now have a legitimate deep threat that at least will make a saftey or two back up, make them notice him if not scare them a little, could thenpossibly open up the middle for miller and he’s someone russell can hang one up for, i caint wait to see russell just throw one as far as he can with bey running under it
April 27th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
crabtree has really turned into a piece of crap.. no wonder the Raiders took Bey.. and im glad.. not a simgle Me-0 primadonna in the bunch.. all want to come in and work hard and give their all to help this team win.. cant ask for anything more
April 27th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
I’m not saying this because my nickname is 24 but I think Michael Huff is a good player. Has he underachieved big time? Absolutely but I really place alot of the blame on Rob Ryan because our defense sucked every year except one year and even that was misleading because of our offense. Huff was 1 of 11 players and I’d say only Asomugha and Howard played well so Huff failed along with 8 other guys. In John Marshall’s defense, I believe he will have more 2 deep safeties which will allow Huff to cover one half of the field instead of the whole field and that makes all the difference in the world.
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exactly that one deep saftey scheme was horrible and didnt play to the strengths of our safteys
April 27th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
JHill,
Number 1- WTF are you talking about?
Number 2- By all accounts the Chargers and Chiefs had bad drafts? Whos accounts?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
The Phillipines? a spy? I’ve never been in the military you fruitloop.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Dude,
I know you didn’t like most of the draft, but was there a pick that you liked? You know!!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
We had a legitimate deep threat in JLH.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
i liked murphy and the te we got!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Dude Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
SnB,
Werent you the guy just destroying those guys before the draft?? Now you expect them to be PBers? Am I missing something?
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Yes…very much so. But Cable is closer to this stuff than I am. The Raiders had an opportunity to get Raji, Brace, Sammie Lee Hill and a bunch of other guys and elected to pass them over for the guys they selected.
Cable wants to win and he said that the DTs on the team are not the problem. Coaching is…I say OK, fine. He knows where that defense performed last year and what’s at stake.
They replaced Rob Ryan so let’s see what happens.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
SnB
We expect Nnamdi to excel. We are looking for DMAC to light it up. JaMarcus is anticipated to have a good year….so why would you give the 2nd highest paid DT in the NFL a pass?
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So as to not make Al Davis look stupid, that’s why.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
We had a legitimate deep threat in JLH.
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true but they never sent him deep, he always caught the ball in space and then broke for long gains
April 27th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
1 – Well obviously you knew what I was talking about
2 – The same people you are relying on for your anti Raider draft rhetoric. Or did you only read the negative Raider stuff?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
I actually like DHB, but not at 7. Its simply not good economics.
Murphy looks like he could be decent. Fact is that EVERY pick, save for the TE, are projects.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
in bey we now have a legitimate deep threat that at least will make a saftey or two back up, make them notice him if not scare them a little, could thenpossibly open up the middle for miller and he’s someone russell can hang one up for, i caint wait to see russell just throw one as far as he can with bey running under it
JLH and the new boy murphy can also fly. the speed has to be respected. throw in mcfadden and miller into the mix and someone will always be open. russell just needs time to make the correct read and throw. on paper, we look to have a nearly complete arsenal to get the job done on offense. unfortunately, paper doesn’t win you ballgames but it’s been a while since i felt confident enough to say that we’ve genuinely got multiple threats.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
So they are right when talking about the Chiefs and Chargers but not the Raiders? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Crab is a Diva. He looks and sounds like a diva. Fits in well across the bay. You know!!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
DHB definitely talks better than Crabtree. Now lets hope he plays better.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
The Autumn Wind Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
in bey we now have a legitimate deep threat that at least will make a saftey or two back up, make them notice him if not scare them a little, could thenpossibly open up the middle for miller and he’s someone russell can hang one up for, i caint wait to see russell just throw one as far as he can with bey running under it
JLH and the new boy murphy can also fly. the speed has to be respected. throw in mcfadden and miller into the mix and someone will always be open. russell just needs time to make the correct read and throw. on paper, we look to have a nearly complete arsenal to get the job done on offense. unfortunately, paper doesn’t win you ballgames but it’s been a while since i felt confident enough to say that we’ve genuinely got multiple threats.
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i like bey just not at 7, but oh well whats done is done, im with u the offense looks potent, deep threats, pass-catching te, schilenz a good red zone guy, and maybe walker can be a possesion guy, jlh can explode after the catch,a good rb’s, my hopes are high
April 27th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
# priesttj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
The Phillipines? a spy? I’ve never been in the military you fruitloop.
That’s not what you
said on the other blog 
Everywhere you :blog: blog you 
have to try to be better than anyone else 
Let’s see, the first blog I ran into you 
you 
were a doctor 
the next blog it was a soap opera leading man 
then it was a CIA spy in the Pillipines and Laos where you 
mocked Jerry 
for being filipino and a Catholic. Now you 
for Al Davis 
Why can’t you just be an average every day Joe 
and treat people decently 
April 27th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
now the d-line is a big concern for me
April 27th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
im glad we drafted not a single me primadonna hype player
April 27th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Dude,
Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t all rookies projects?!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
we just cant get ran thru like last year and expect to improve, our o wont be on the field long enuff to develope into a cohesive unit if teams are running it down our throats and chewing up the clock
April 27th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
The Autumn Wind Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
in bey we now have a legitimate deep threat that at least will make a saftey or two back up, make them notice him if not scare them a little, could thenpossibly open up the middle for miller and he’s someone russell can hang one up for, i caint wait to see russell just throw one as far as he can with bey running under it
JLH and the new boy murphy can also fly. the speed has to be respected. throw in mcfadden and miller into the mix and someone will always be open. russell just needs time to make the correct read and throw. on paper, we look to have a nearly complete arsenal to get the job done on offense. unfortunately, paper doesn’t win you ballgames but it’s been a while since i felt confident enough to say that we’ve genuinely got multiple threats.
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i like bey just not at 7, but oh well whats done is done, im with u the offense looks potent, deep threats, pass-catching te, schilenz a good red zone guy, and maybe walker can be a possesion guy, jlh can explode after the catch,a good rb’s, my hopes are high
and why not? we should allow ourselves a bit of optimism because there are real reasons to believe this team is getting closer to finally turning the corner. much more so than at any other time over the 6 year drought, i should think…
April 27th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
You know!!!
April 27th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
No, all rookies arent projects. Alot are ready to step in and immediately contribute.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Did they ever teach James Jett how to play WR?
April 27th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Autumn Wind Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
The Autumn Wind Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
in bey we now have a legitimate deep threat that at least will make a saftey or two back up, make them notice him if not scare them a little, could thenpossibly open up the middle for miller and he’s someone russell can hang one up for, i caint wait to see russell just throw one as far as he can with bey running under it
JLH and the new boy murphy can also fly. the speed has to be respected. throw in mcfadden and miller into the mix and someone will always be open. russell just needs time to make the correct read and throw. on paper, we look to have a nearly complete arsenal to get the job done on offense. unfortunately, paper doesn’t win you ballgames but it’s been a while since i felt confident enough to say that we’ve genuinely got multiple threats.
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i like bey just not at 7, but oh well whats done is done, im with u the offense looks potent, deep threats, pass-catching te, schilenz a good red zone guy, and maybe walker can be a possesion guy, jlh can explode after the catch,a good rb’s, my hopes are high
and why not? we should allow ourselves a bit of optimism because there are real reasons to believe this team is getting closer to finally turning the corner. much more so than at any other time over the 6 year drought, i should think…
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i couldnt agree with u more, russell looked good at the end of the year, basically his rookie year, and when cable challenged him thru the media earlier i liked the fact he didnt respond back thru the media, i think he’s ready to respond on the feild
April 27th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Name one player in the draft that’s absolute. Once you get to this level every player has to be developed it is VERY RARE for a player to come in and dominate at any position. Except maybe Bo jackson or Dan Marino. Everybody else were essentially projects. Some just a lot more than others.
Deion Sanders got picked on, Jerry Rice dropped passes, Walter Payton had to be developed. This is the NFL. Trevor Scott outplayed Chris Long.
But only our players are projects?
Adios, I’ve had quite enough of the whinning.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Autumn wind,
Keep hope alive bro.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
and if our d-line was really a product of bad coaching and performs well this year, i think we have a shot at the division title
April 27th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
I’m more intrigued by Louis Murphy than DHB.
April 27th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Dude,
I disagree sir.
They are all projects, some workout and some don’t.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
gotta run nation, RAIDERS TO THE SUPER BOWL!!! (the rams did and they sucked the year b4) why not us?
April 27th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
# priesttj Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Name one player in the draft that’s absolute. Once you get to this level every player has to be developed it is VERY RARE for a player to come in and dominate at any position. Except maybe Bo jackson or Dan Marino. Everybody else were essentially projects. Some just a lot more than others.
Deion Sanders got picked on, Jerry Rice dropped passes, Walter Payton had to be developed. This is the NFL. Trevor Scott outplayed Chris Long.
But only our players are projects?
Adios, I’ve had quite enough of the whinning.
buttholeprick
I think you meant whining 
I know you 
couldn’t mean winning 
Especially if you’re a big honcho in the orginization 
April 27th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Hey KrappyKell, hopefully you slept through most of the weekend on your theraputic mattress. With all the excitement of the draft happening, I bet your old goat heart would’ve simply given out.
Anyway now that I see you’re back on the blog instead of doing old man activities at the rec center, its time to get you back in bed, soft bowl on cereal in your mitts and clean pair of diapers on your Krappy behind.
Remember that you’re just an old goat with a bad memory and very loose bowels.
Say goodnight now, Krappy.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
and why not? we should allow ourselves a bit of optimism because there are real reasons to believe this team is getting closer to finally turning the corner. much more so than at any other time over the 6 year drought, i should think…
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i couldnt agree with u more, russell looked good at the end of the year, basically his rookie year, and when cable challenged him thru the media earlier i liked the fact he didnt respond back thru the media, i think he’s ready to respond on the feild
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there is no question that russell holds the keys to the ferrari-in-progress. i don’t think that this is necessarily a sink or swim season for him but i think the guy will do us proud if we keep surrounding him with talent.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Dude Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Autumn wind,
Keep hope alive bro.
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always (and forever)!
April 27th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Dude,
Can you tell which one’s will contribute immediately? No one can.
You draft projects, and work with them. Some can contribute immediately, others need more time, and some don’t workout.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Justin Griffith signed a 1 year deal with the Seahawks with Greg Knapp.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
The Dolphins cut QB John Beck. He would be a decent #3 QB for us.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
People thought HB C Johnson was a project, a reach, and the wrong pick for the Titans!!!!
He only helped his team go 10- 0, not bad for the wrong pick, reach, and a project player.
The experts thought they should draft WR!!!! Good for the experts!!! You know!!
April 27th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
HOW DO YOU GRADE SOMETHING THAT HASN’T BEEN TESTED YET?
April 27th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
I would love to have as much hope and expectations as some of you boys have, I really would. Fact is I have ZERO confidence in Al Davis. NONE. NADA. I believe he has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he no longer has the capabilities to run an NFL team. Thats it, thats all.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Lynn from Snot Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
HOW DO YOU GRADE SOMETHING THAT HASN’T BEEN TESTED YET?
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you can’t.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Duuude
Why waste your time in a raider blog ? You obviously couldn’t support a team owned by Al DAVIS.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Exactly guys, the only thing you can grade is that Henderson held up against the top tier DE’s. Doesnt make me feel great but I can’t say that Monroe, Smiths, or Oher has accomplished that feat.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Lynn….
dude is aka Mr. It’s so obvious.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Dude Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
I would love to have as much hope and expectations as some of you boys have, I really would. Fact is I have ZERO confidence in Al Davis. NONE. NADA. I believe he has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he no longer has the capabilities to run an NFL team. Thats it, thats all.
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al davis doesn’t play the games. the hope springs from the potential of our players, particularly on offense. al has certainly made his fair share of mistakes, as every human being does, but, at the end of the day, nobody can question the man’s passion for the raiders. he wants to win and even though we may sometimes disagree with his actions, he only ever has the raiders success in his mind’s eye.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
once i finally got over my initial shock (and disdain) over our picks on day 1, I decided to try and learn a little more about the players we selected and why we selected them. here are my thoughts on the draft.
rd 1. it is funny how dhb is a projected 1st round pick (granted probably somewhere between 20-30) but when he is drafted by the raiders he suddenly is a horrible football player. did you hear the pundits on espn, especially chris carter? chris carter’s evaluation of dhb made it sound like the raiders drafted the worst wr in the draft, not a wr that graded out with 1st round talent. once the sanchez trade was made i think that any likely hood of the raiders finding a trading partner diminished greatly. yes, conventional wisdom says trade back and accumulate more picks while still getting your target player but what if there was just no interest from any teams to move to #7. I didn’t exactly see any other wr needy teams burning up the phones to take the so called best wr (crabtree) who fell to 10th. i am not in love with the dhb pick and personally would have taken maclin or raji but it was not the worst decision ever made, even if mel kiper says so.
rd 2. “Who the f*ck is Mike Mitchell? What is al doing? Nobody knows who the hell this kid is. Look at all of the 1st round talent on the board and we take a f*cking safety that doesn’t even have a highlight!” Those were my first reactions when i heard the pick. (Please keep in mind that by that time i was still shocked by the dhb pick and was at the bar and had really starting drinking heavy midway through the jags being on the clock). All of the sudden, when all the smoke clears, me and mike mayock and mel kiper and everyone else realize that mike mitchell was targeted by more than just us to be picked anywhere from the 2nd to the 3rd rounds. now, i know it is just youtube and youtube highlights are only going to show the good, but i really liked what i saw. a read where a few people made comments suggesting that the film looked as though it was a high school game and high school caliber oppossition. while the film quality was bad, it was still good enough for me to notice him knocking around everyone from Ohio State. yeah, thats right, the Ohio State (i hate the whole “THE” thing but it adds more emphasis to my point). his q and a was also very impressive. I hope all of this translates to the field as i am now truly excited about this guy.
the raiders drafted dhb at 7, roughly 13-20 slots higher than projected or graded by mel kiper while josh freeman went at 17 while being graded as the 50th best prospect by mel kiper. that is 33 slots higher than he really should have gone but because it wasn’t the raiders picking freeman it was a great pick and great value despite the fact that nobody behind tampa was likely to draft freeman because they already have their qb.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
The great thing about being a Raider fan is pissing off the haters because they just don’t get it. There is nothing better than rolling into the Colosseum at 8 am ready to indulge in some festivities with 50,000 of my closest friends. Then rooting on the silver and black for 4 qtrs.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
i’m not breaking down the rest of the picks but i will say that i looked up shaughnessey all over the internet and read everything i could about him and i think that i can say in confidence that……………
yeah man, i know.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Dude – I know where you’re coming from but if Al Davis lives another 15 years…you’re not going to enjoy football very much. Sometimes its better just to say “Ah fuk it” then to fight it all the time because its out of our control. Plus…my biggest question becomes, who will take over the team when Al Davis passes? It could be an idiot and we could have more years of futility under some no name bum. I love football and the Raiders and I have to treat football like a child and be patient with it because if I don’t relax, I’ll kill it haha.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
jeremy s Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
the raiders drafted dhb at 7, roughly 13-20 slots higher than projected or graded by mel kiper while josh freeman went at 17 while being graded as the 50th best prospect by mel kiper. that is 33 slots higher than he really should have gone but because it wasn’t the raiders picking freeman it was a great pick and great value despite the fact that nobody behind tampa was likely to draft freeman because they already have their qb.
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‘projected’…’graded’….’33 slots higher’…i completely agree, it’s all meaningless pish.
guess what? if you asked mel kiper to declare heads or tails for a coin toss, he would be wrong 50% of the time. and yet people want to take his word (and others like him) as gospel when it comes to something as complex as who you should take (and in what order) in the nfl draft??
April 27th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
troll go stock someone else your getting old dude
April 27th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
yeah, mel kiper and the rest of the crew kinda ticked me off but it was to be expected. if we took crabtree then they would have said that crabtree is a good wr but what about his foot and we should have drafted a lineman. same goes for maclin. if we drafted raji then it wouldn’t make sense because of the $ already tied up in the d-line. if we took a michael oher they would say that he will help the o-line but we should have drafted dhb to give jamarcus the deep threat that he needs. my point is, nothing that the raiders did, have done, or will do is ever going to be right in the eyes of the so called experts.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
Its all on Russell. That will be the theme for 2009. The tackles were so called upgraded as well as the center position held by Satele. More WR help has been added this past weekend along with an extra TE in the same mold as Miller. Everyone knows the potential of bush/dmac can set the league on fire. In other words he has no excuse not to win now. 3-0 start or bust
April 27th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
If kiper was that good he would have a job as a NFL gm or personnel exec. not some talking head that gets 1/2 the draft right.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
jeremy s Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
yeah, mel kiper and the rest of the crew kinda ticked me off but it was to be expected. if we took crabtree then they would have said that crabtree is a good wr but what about his foot and we should have drafted a lineman. same goes for maclin. if we drafted raji then it wouldn’t make sense because of the $ already tied up in the d-line. if we took a michael oher they would say that he will help the o-line but we should have drafted dhb to give jamarcus the deep threat that he needs. my point is, nothing that the raiders did, have done, or will do is ever going to be right in the eyes of the so called experts.
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nope, not until we start winning. then you will suddenly find that the ‘experts’ will say that the raiders can do no wrong and al’s farts smell like roses. such is the nature of the beast.
which is precisely why we should all be independently minded and be strong enough to form our own opinions.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
True this is Russells big year to show improvement and to take over as a team leader. This will be a telling year to see what he can do with a adequate supporting cast.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
“Winning is the best deodorant.” (John Madden)
April 27th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Man…The Sharks are terrible..(In the playoffs)
April 27th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Its on Russell’s shoulders but the coaching staff has to make sure that they put their players in a position to succeed. They really need to make sure they match McFadden up in the right spots, be creative in their playcalling, have a balanced attack, play the right players (McFadden,Bush) as an example.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
what really pissed me off was chris carter. did anyone see how unprofessional, condescending, and arrogant he was in discussing his dislike of the raiders drafting dhb. it is his job to give his opinion and analysis but he was acting as if he were a 6 year old who was just told that he couldn’t have frosted flakes and to reach down and grab the food lion brand. it got worse when suzie kolber was doing a live video chat with dhb and you heard chris carter in the background laughing and snickering. his analysis of dhb made dhb sound as though he had no business being in the draft at all. as i said, it is his job to disagree and give his perspective but be a little more dignified than that.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
So much for the president trophy. Makes a good cheese tray.
April 27th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
# Lynn from Snot Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
True this is Russells big year to show improvement and to take over as a team leader. This will be a telling year to see what he can do with a adequate supporting cast.
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Russell seems to have a better offense around him. The fact that bush and dmac are the main backs things may take shape
April 27th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
We better pray Samson Satele is the center we all hope for. If he is then we may have a total change offensively as far as short yardage and goaline situations go.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
So who is the fullback?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
AutumnWind – during our last SB run Al got little to no credit. Most folks giving credit were giving it to Gruden for “building” Callahan’s team.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Someone said oneal will be ready training camp but i doubt it. Lorenzo Neal please?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Chris Carter is not a character guy and he has no class for the unprofessional way he acted during the interview.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Its on Russell’s shoulders but the coaching staff has to make sure that they put their players in a position to succeed. They really need to make sure they match McFadden up in the right spots, be creative in their playcalling, have a balanced attack, play the right players (McFadden,Bush) as an example.
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i really don’t think this will be a problem. drawing up the plays and calling them becomes a lot easier when you’ve got a variety of weapons at your disposal. it’s all about the players; how many offensive coordinators have made their name while calling plays for talent-laden offenses? is it because they’re so extremely clever? or is it because they’ve got the full arsenal down on the field?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Brien, at the least he stays healthy as compared to Grove.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
yeah, see “Scott Linehan” in the dictionary
April 27th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
i hope dmac and bush are going to be the main backs. with the raiders shopping farglass this weekend i really hope that means that he is done being the #1 or even #2 ball carrier. i wonder how farglass will take being demoted to 3rd on the depth chart. all of the farglass supporters on here that say he is such a good influence and has great character and is a true raider and team player will really find out if its true. personally, i think he sucks. he brings nothing onto the field. maybe he brings something to the locker room but he doesn’t bring shyt to the field. he has no vision, no moves, can’t catch, can’t break tackles, and can’t score td’s. all he can do is run right at the hole that the play is designed to go to as hard as he can and hopefully it will open.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Are we planning on not using a fullback and do a peyton manning type of offense?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Man it is refreshing to not see so much of the whiners tonite.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
gotta have a fullback. if oneal isn’t ready, i am not going to be happy with lawton. we need a bruiser at fb that is just going run m-fers over and open holes. hoping that guy can be oneal but who knows if he will be ready.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
nader64 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
AutumnWind – during our last SB run Al got little to no credit. Most folks giving credit were giving it to Gruden for “building” Callahan’s team.
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yeah, funny how gruden got much of the credit for building that SB team but when things have gone wrong it is suddenly al who made all of the draft picks and free agent signings. (<—–sarcasm!)
April 27th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
# alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Brien, at the least he stays healthy as compared to Grove.
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Yeah i hated Grove. I want him to do well and stay healthy. We can really win if he plays at a high level
April 27th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
I think Dmac can be used in the same way MArshall Faulk was. He can line up anywhere on the field and make defenses account for him.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
There are many coaches who can fuk up a great offense. 2006 comes to mind. Randy Moss, Jerry Porter, Ronald Curry. Look at what Norv Turner did here. He had a decent team and he fuked it up. Callahan had Brown and Rice the year after the Superbowl and he found a way to fuk it up. I just hope Cable and the coaching staff have a solid plan to ensure that McFadden and Bush are getting the ball because they’re the best chance to win and not Fargas because he has so much heart. Make sure Miller is a JR Safety net. Make sure you have short routes and deep routes and mix it up properly. Ball control, take time off the clock.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
# alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Man it is refreshing to not see so much of the whiners tonite.
Sorry bruh but people got a right to complain if they feel the need. I honestly wasnt happy overall but i gotta accept it because im going to the games again this season. The fact that Al is still in love withthe stop watch is very discouraging to some. I’ll hold out hope that DHB and M.Mitchell was selected because they instantly help out the defense and offense
April 27th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Maybe Marcel Reese finally gets his shot since hes an H-Back type. He can play Fullback and shift to TE when being put into motion or during audibles?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
the best way to help the offense is to make sure farglass never gets on the field.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Man, is it me or I think Meyers is a carbon copy of Zach Miller.
Dude catches with his hands. They throw a lot of screen passes to him so we know he can run. Dont know about his blocking but if we got 2 TE’s that can catch then it will give teams fits.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Sharks are done. Disappointing. Embarrassing. Trade Thornton, Marleau, Cheechoo. Trade everybody. Start over.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Didn’t Cable say something like “In this league you throw the ball to score points (get the lead) and you run the ball to win (close) the game” when he got hired? Combined w/ the way we drafted, I see indications of an actual passing attack. Meaning JaMarcus has to absolutely take “the next step” for us to be successful.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Dmac needs 20 to 25 touches a game and Bush needs to get 10 to 15 touches or vice versa depending on who we playing that game.
As long as Farglass gets no carries I’m happy
April 27th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
I am really curious how Marshall will shape the defense , I know Cable said things will be similar and don’t expect a whole new scheme but , Maybe he will tweak it so that he uses the players to there strengths. Also add some more blilz packages.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
# jeremy s Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
the best way to help the offense is to make sure farglass never gets on the field.
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So true so true. The guy is no good
April 27th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
maybe we can package a deal together to send walter, farglass, sands, huff, turd, and javon to that new league that is starting up, the UFL. too bad walter and farglass wouldn’t be good there either.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Brien, it’s cool to disagree but to whine so much all day like krappykell and Dakotex and Mr. it gets old. I dont believe in blind loyalty but I also dont believe in blind hate either.
I am a Cable guy. I enjoy all of his press conf. He is a motivator. He may not be a genius xo but I can tell he is a motivator. I watch his press conf and I want to play for him.
It has been a long long time since we go out and get football players. In teh past, we would get a conversion project at 5th, 6th, and 7th. this year we traded up to get Meyers. He can flat out play and they run screen plays for him at Iowa.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Even more this and that
The Raiders are one of those very few teams in the NFL who won’t announce the undrafted free agents they’ve signed immediately after the draft. That’s just the way they are.
In lieu of new names to add to the independent confirmation search, here are a few news items to look over, none of which really merit a blog of its own.
Translation: slow news day, folks.
** Former Raiders fullback Justin Griffith signed a one-year deal with the Seahawks, according to multiple Northwest media reports.
The Raiders released Griffith after two seasons as their starting fullback. He finished last season on the IR because of midseason ACL surgery.
When released in January, some thought he would simply be re-signed later at cheaper prices, and the idea had merit. But, when Griffith visited the Seahawks last month as a free agent, it obviously became inevitable he’d rejoin his former coaches in Atlanta — Jim Mora Jr. and Greg Knapp, his offensive coordinator in Oakland as well.
The Raiders are still trying to sign an undrafted free agent fullback to provide depth for Oren O’Neal (coming back from major knee surgery) and midseason pickup Luke Lawton.
Who knows? Maybe they already have. They reportedly showed interest in Kansas linebacker Joe Mortensen, who worked out as a fullback during his pro day and expects to be converted in the pros.
** Undrafted Cal quarterback Nate Longshore had discussions with the Raiders before signing with the Dolphins, his agent told the Contra Costa Times.
Don’t read too much into it, people. Even the Raiders need camp arms.
** Speaking of undrafted free agents, remember defensive end Kevin Huntley? Discovered by the Raiders in 2006, he just signed with the CFL’s Argonauts after spending parts of last season with the Steelers.
** I was asked to do a mock draft for the paper this year, and by “asked,” I mean, “told.”
I got six of 32 picks right, and a seventh if you count a player drafted in the right slot but by a different team.
One thing I learned about those things: draft-day trades make a mockery of mock drafts, and there’s simply no way around it.
** Spoke with someone from Maryland (University of) today, and people there are ticked at the Darrius Heyward-Bey bashing.
No one expected No. 7 overall, but don’t kill the kid over it, they say.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Marshall better not be predictable like Ryan was
April 27th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Marshall has alot more experience than Ryan and Marshall’s system isn’t drastically different from Al Davis’ ideas so I think he can run Al Davis’ ideas with more success like Willie Shaw did in the past. Rob Ryan is a 3-4 Zone/Prevent Guy and that obviously didn’t work here.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
# jeremy s Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
the best way to help the offense is to make sure farglass never gets on the field.
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So true so true. The guy is no good
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i think that’s a bit harsh on a guy that’s done nothing but bide his time, work hard and contribute when he is called upon. personally, i’m glad that we have a banger like fargas for the likes of mcfadden and bush to learn from. do not underestimate the importance the leadership fargas brings, along with his toughness. if it were up to me (or indeed tom cable), i’d try and stock my entire locker room with guys like fargas, no question about it.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
DHB better shut folks up
April 27th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Lynn, you said it best in describing Cable…tweak…
See Cable doesnt threaten Al. Al is a very very sensitive guy. I can see the changes Cable is doing. Publicly he says what Al wants to hear adn the changes he makes are so subtle that it doesnt scare Al. This is why we had the best off season in years. To Me, one of the better drafts in years (no more converting point guards and safeties in WR’s). This will go down IMO as the moment our franchise gets back to respectability.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
We are a run-first team.
Bush and possibly Dmac will lead the charge.
Miller will lead the Raiders in receptions again.
One of our WR will emerge as the go to guy by mid season.
I expect Shields to battle everyone for time as the slot receiver.
As for the D…if Marshall can do half of what Wille Shaw did then we will improve to 15 overall.
As for the draft, it’s Soap Opera for men, get over it.
This way yall have something to argue over for next few months until training camp when you aren’t playing Madden.
As for me, I’m off to a bevy of delectiable Asian delights for which most of you can only google…
April 27th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
I can’t believe the hatred and disrespect in the media towards the players. Its one thing to deadpan Davis for his strategy…i.e trading down…but its another to hear the b.s said on the radio etc..
Bump that. I like how both these guys (DHB and Mitchell) are handling their business. Mitchell was on Sirius Radio and really sounded polished, determined and motivated.
I was not for drafting these guys at all..you know I was a defensive line guy…
But after this…those two are now my favorite players period.
we are actually lucky out of this. I can’t think of two draftees, maybe Eben Britton LOL, that are more motivated to show the world they deserved to be drafted where they were.
Instantly two of my favorite players…Mike Mitchell and Darrius Heyward-Bey….Give’m Hell guys
April 27th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Prediction for 09: the Norv experiment ends in SD Mc Daniels becomes Kiffin 2.0 and divides the Broncos. Haley finds out Cassell isn’t Tom Brady. The Raiders aren’t as dumb as we thought.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Farglass lacks the talent to even see time over the like of dmac and bush. Come on when he ran the ball did you really think the offense was at its best? The big plays from the RB slot came from Dmac/Bush. Farglass is terrible as a starting RB. It was just like Josh McCown playing QB, you just knew a win wasnt coming if he was in there
April 27th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
here we go with all the heart and leadership stuff. that stuff is great but it doesn’t mean he is a good rb. he definately isn’t tough. even before he was getting all of the carries he couldn’t finish a whole season. like i said earlier, all the farglass lovers will hopefully see how much heart and character his no talent azz has when he gets 4-5 snaps (not carries but snaps) per game. he is a special teams player at best. we couldn’t even trade him for a 6th or 7th round pick this weekend.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
There are 2 players on our team that alot of people are high on but i cant get any film on them….Branch and Shield….Have you guys seen them play or made plays?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
autumn wind,
if the whole locker room was filled with farglasses we would only score 7 points per year.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
More Bush in 2009.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
SnB, thats all we can do right now. We gonna have to support these guys or get a new team
April 27th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
# jeremy s Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
here we go with all the heart and leadership stuff. that stuff is great but it doesn’t mean he is a good rb. he definately isn’t tough. even before he was getting all of the carries he couldn’t finish a whole season. like i said earlier, all the farglass lovers will hopefully see how much heart and character his no talent azz has when he gets 4-5 snaps (not carries but snaps) per game. he is a special teams player at best. we couldn’t even trade him for a 6th or 7th round pick this weekend.
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LOL true true
April 27th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
AlisGod…….Branch got an INT vs KC last year as soon as he got in the game
April 27th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
If we can run consistently that will help the passing game get that home run when they cheat up in run downs. Bye bye BEY BEY
April 27th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
But what about our LBs? Are we really satisfied with Howard,Morrison and Brown. No way!
April 27th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Shields: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12gUVCUTc1U (from 2005)
April 27th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
only if we run consistently with dmac-bush. not farglass. consistent running with farglass is 3yds, -1yd, 3yds, punt.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
I dont doubt that the Raiders can run the ball consistently, but when its 3rd and long, how will russell and the offense convert? 3rd down is a problem on offense and defense
April 27th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Brien,
Mitchell and Heyward-Bey deserve the support. They aren’t crying and complaining…Mitchell said on Sirius…”the Raiders believed in me and that’s all that matters. Now its up to me”
He really sounded like a veteran.
Look, I am pragmatic. These guys could become busts three yrs from now. I don’t wear rose colored glasses. But the media and others are criticising the players themselves…heard a broadcaster say Mitchell selling cell phones at the mall garbage…
Heyward-Bey said he’s going to work. He didn’t diss his school, the QB he played with…he said the right things about winning games.
Dissing Davis is fine. Not trading down to get these guys was unbelieveable in its lack of strategy and in some cases outright arrogance.
But the players…Mitchell and D-HB don’t deserve to hear they are not worthy players. No one picked this weekend has played a college snap.
I take lesson in this episode. Ignore the haters and work hard. I look forward to watching Mitchell and D-HB develop with the Silver and Black
April 27th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Brien, that’s why they got Slade and Sulak…to be the SAM. They brought in Frantz to be a spec team but my hunch is he is going to kcik some a$$ in camp. My only critique of him (from a fan) is he seems a little stiff moving around. Scouts say his hips are not fluid. But he is the only guy I have seen that can shed a block on our roster.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
# jeremy s Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
only if we run consistently with dmac-bush. not farglass. consistent running with farglass is 3yds, -1yd, 3yds, punt.
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Those days have gotta be over if we wanna win this year
April 27th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
seattle removed franchise tag from hill. really think we should look at him. he would probably be too costly. i know alot of people like the undrafted kid from florida atlantic but is he really going to be able to give a push to kirk. i hope he is a diamond in the rough. need to get stronger at lb to get off those damn blocks. it is great that kirk is the leading tackler, but when you are making those tackles 10 yards downfield it really doesn’t help things.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
jeremy s Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
autumn wind,
if the whole locker room was filled with farglasses we would only score 7 points per year.
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well obviously i’m not speaking about the man physically; he does well to punch above his weight. i’m talking about his work ethic, his motor, his ronnie lott-esque disregard for his own safety while always laying it all on the line. it is the lack of this kind of man’s conviction that has crippled the raiders as much as anything else over recent seasons. i will agree that i want to see more of bush and dmac because they are younger and more dynamic athletes but fargas brings his own lunch to the table as well.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
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Bro the biggest eye opener for me this weekend was not DHB or Mitchell. It was Mayock first saying he had rated Mitchell at 7th round then later to admit he hadnt seen any tape. How the fckk do you rate someone without seeing tape?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
If we can run consistently there won’t be too many 3rd and longs. If we can run consistently we’ll have shots down the field. I just know we won’t be seeing run-run-pass every series like Kiffin did and blamed it on Russell’s inexperience. Al and Cable have said enough for it to be clear that they’re putting a lot more on Jamarcus’ arm this year.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
3rd down was a problem because we had no go to guy Miller was stuck blocking and we basically had no 3rd down receiver. Curry was horrible and Walker was MIA. We’ll find out if that guy exist this year.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Jeremy,
One of Frantz’s BIGGEST strength is that he punishes the blocker. He is terrible in the measurement department but he absolutely kills the blocker and runners.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
We still need a MIKE. Kirk could be a SAM
April 27th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
hey autumn wind,
as long as farglass is eating his lunch at the table on the sidelines then i will be fine with it.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
True, we lacked playmakers but did progressively better once Cable started calling plays. The way Kiff & co. called plays last year made it tough on the players we did have out there.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Jeremy,
One of Frantz’s BIGGEST strength is that he punishes the blocker. He is terrible in the measurement department but he absolutely kills the blocker and runners.
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if he can bring it to this level that would be great. kirk would be great at slb but we need more strength at mlb.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
We gotta see with Frantz this summer. The hope is he wows the organization and they feel they must have his ferocious nature on the field
April 27th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Im done
April 27th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
alisgod Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
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Bro the biggest eye opener for me this weekend was not DHB or Mitchell. It was Mayock first saying he had rated Mitchell at 7th round then later to admit he hadnt seen any tape. How the fckk do you rate someone without seeing tape?
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The criticism is not even fair. Again, Davis reaching and throwing caution to the wind is FAIR game….
But lets look at the players…D-HB was slated to go to Baltimore or the Giants in the FIRST ROUND! So, he goes a few spots early…he’s still a top 32 prospect. Hell, ain’t one of the issues with this draft the fact the guys rated in the lower part of the 1st or early 2nd are as good as the top 10?
Well, DHB matches what the Raiders are trying to do. That’s what New England and Pittsburgh does. Draft players for their system. The guy was still a 1st round prospect….now suddenly he can’t catch and all the side comments about Crabtree in San fran…screw all that. Let’s go DHB
as for Mitchell. I admit I never heard of him. But he did make 15 visits to other professional football teams. But even with that, to say the guy doesn’t belong on the field is ridiculous.
I might just have to go buy a Heyward-Bey and Mitchell jersey. It will be hilarious when those guys show up and start making plays.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
The last time I think we had a physical LB at SAM was William Thomas and Romanowski?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
jeremy s Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
hey autumn wind,
as long as farglass is eating his lunch at the table on the sidelines then i will be fine with it.
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you dismiss him too lightly. he is a locker room favourite, a man that other players respect and look up to. you can’t find that in the draft or in free agency very easily.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
53 Man Roster?
QB – Jamarcus Russell, Jeff Garcia, Bruce Gradkowski (3)
RB – Darren McFadden, Michael Bush, Justin Fargas (6)
FB – Oren O’Neal, Marcel Reese (8)
WR – Derrius Heyward-Bey, Javon Walker, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Chaz Schilens, Arman Shields, Louis Murphy (14)
TE – Justin Miller, Darrell Strong, Brandon Myers (17)
LT – Mario Henderson, Erik Pears (19)
LG – Robert Gallery, Paul McQuistan (21)
C – Samson Satele, Chris Morris (23)
RG – Cooper Carlisle, Marcus Johnson (25)
RT – Khalif Barnes, Cornell Green (27)
LE – Derrick Burgess, Jay Richardson (29)
DT – Tommy Kelly, Gerard Warren, Terdell Sands, Ryan Boschetti (33)
RE – Trevor Scott, Matt Shaughnessey (35)
LOLB – Ricky Brown, Stryker Sulak (37)
MLB – Kirk Morrison, Frantz Joseph, Jon Condo (40)
ROLB – Thomas Howard, Slade Norris, Isaiah Ekejuiba (43)
CB – Nnamdi Asomugha, Chris Johnson, Stanford Routt, Justin Miller, John Bowie (48)
FS – Hiram Eugene, Tyvon Branch (50)
SS – Michael Huff, Mike Mitchell (52)
P – Shane Lechler
K – Sebastian Janikowski (54)
Now…I have my roster set at 54 players instead of 53 players so I would have to cut one of these guys. Its hard to cut Javon Walker because he restructured his contract and hes the only veteran. We drafted so many LB/DE’s that it is tough to cut one because they’re so similiar and these guys are special teams type guys. I left out Sam Williams and he will likely stay based on scholarship but this could finally be the year hes gone.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
# 24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
53 Man Roster?
QB – Jamarcus Russell, Jeff Garcia, Bruce Gradkowski (3)
RB – Darren McFadden, Michael Bush, Justin Fargas (6)
FB – Oren O’Neal, Marcel Reese (8)
WR – Derrius Heyward-Bey, Javon Walker, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Chaz Schilens, Arman Shields, Louis Murphy (14)
TE – Justin Miller, Darrell Strong, Brandon Myers (17)
LT – Mario Henderson, Erik Pears (19)
LG – Robert Gallery, Paul McQuistan (21)
C – Samson Satele, Chris Morris (23)
RG – Cooper Carlisle, Marcus Johnson (25)
RT – Khalif Barnes, Cornell Green (27)
LE – Derrick Burgess, Jay Richardson (29)
DT – Tommy Kelly, Gerard Warren, Terdell Sands, Ryan Boschetti (33)
RE – Trevor Scott, Matt Shaughnessey (35)
LOLB – Ricky Brown, Stryker Sulak (37)
MLB – Kirk Morrison, Frantz Joseph, Jon Condo (40)
ROLB – Thomas Howard, Slade Norris, Isaiah Ekejuiba (43)
CB – Nnamdi Asomugha, Chris Johnson, Stanford Routt, Justin Miller, John Bowie (48)
FS – Hiram Eugene, Tyvon Branch (50)
SS – Michael Huff, Mike Mitchell (52)
P – Shane Lechler
K – Sebastian Janikowski (54)
Now…I have my roster set at 54 players instead of 53 players so I would have to cut one of these guys. Its hard to cut Javon Walker because he restructured his contract and hes the only veteran. We drafted so many LB/DE’s that it is tough to cut one because they’re so similiar and these guys are special teams type guys. I left out Sam Williams and he will likely stay based on scholarship but this could finally be the year hes gone.
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That’s about right. Cut Walker please
April 27th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
damn everyone hating on Fargas but the dude ran for 1000 yards in 8 starts LOL.. the dude isnt a HOF’er but he isnt garbage the way some have made him out to be.. he is a hard runner.. ala crash test dummy.. he is injury prone due to his running style.. but to say he sucks is pretty short sighted.. he is a capable back who has helped this team.. Bush didnt get much of an oppertunity because early on when he did.. he averaged 1.2 yards a carry.. then broke out against a Tampa defense that had already quit.. Mcfadden was hurt all season.. he doesnt have a history of injury so maybe thats a fluke.. but you cant get rid of Fargas until Mcfadden proves the injuries were just a fluke.. and Bush is more then a guy who had 1 big game against a defense that quit…
April 27th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
24 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
53 Man Roster?
QB – Jamarcus Russell, Jeff Garcia, Bruce Gradkowski (3)
RB – Darren McFadden, Michael Bush, Justin Fargas (6)
FB – Oren O’Neal, Marcel Reese (8)
WR – Derrius Heyward-Bey, Javon Walker, Johnnie Lee Higgins, Chaz Schilens, Arman Shields, Louis Murphy (14)
TE – Justin Miller, Darrell Strong, Brandon Myers (17)
LT – Mario Henderson, Erik Pears (19)
LG – Robert Gallery, Paul McQuistan (21)
C – Samson Satele, Chris Morris (23)
RG – Cooper Carlisle, Marcus Johnson (25)
RT – Khalif Barnes, Cornell Green (27)
LE – Derrick Burgess, Jay Richardson (29)
DT – Tommy Kelly, Gerard Warren, Terdell Sands, Ryan Boschetti (33)
RE – Trevor Scott, Matt Shaughnessey (35)
LOLB – Ricky Brown, Stryker Sulak (37)
MLB – Kirk Morrison, Frantz Joseph, Jon Condo (40)
ROLB – Thomas Howard, Slade Norris, Isaiah Ekejuiba (43)
CB – Nnamdi Asomugha, Chris Johnson, Stanford Routt, Justin Miller, John Bowie (48)
FS – Hiram Eugene, Tyvon Branch (50)
SS – Michael Huff, Mike Mitchell (52)
P – Shane Lechler
K – Sebastian Janikowski (54)
Now…I have my roster set at 54 players instead of 53 players so I would have to cut one of these guys. Its hard to cut Javon Walker because he restructured his contract and hes the only veteran. We drafted so many LB/DE’s that it is tough to cut one because they’re so similiar and these guys are special teams type guys. I left out Sam Williams and he will likely stay based on scholarship but this could finally be the year hes gone.
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looks about right but don’t forget that cable said that we’re looking to add a FB, DT and TE from free agency in the near future. we’re not done shaping this roster yet!
April 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
SnB, if you read the article from the sf chronicle a week or two ao, the raiders spoke on the kid like they believe he is a future pro bowler………i mean mitchell. Wouldnt be crazy if we found a rookie who was a viable safety option?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
With the DE/LBs drafted I wouldn’t be surprised to see Richardson cut. We’re def cutting one or more O-linemen there. And don’t forget the undrafted FA’s.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
but then again.. Russell shot from abscurity to a first round draft pick and loaded with ESPN hype because of a big game against ND .. who actually sucked that year.. USC completely humiliated them.. but Russell rockets to first round status LOL.. funny how everyone buys into big name ESPN hype LOL
April 27th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
24,
Cut/practice squad…..Arman Shields and/or Marcel Reese..
Shields is out…I don’t see them keeping two FBs on the roster
April 27th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Tomycar – Walker had 2 1,000 yard seasons. Do you think he should stay too?
April 27th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Nader64 – Richardson is the best run stopper and the biggest DE we have. Hes still young so I don’t see him gone.
April 27th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
SnB – Possibly. I see Reece sticking because Oren O’Neal may not be 100%.
Also…Could this be the year the Raiders give up on John Bowie? We could go into the season with 4 Corners and 4 Safeties.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Maybe Janikowski becomes our Strong Outside Linebacker and Lechler pulls double duty as a Punter/Kicker haha.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
When was that 1,000 season 2yrs ago , it is time for the future and that is Bush/dmac I swear talk about the dumbest nickname ever Crash Test Dummy. My nickname for him is either can’t catch or mr. 1 TD .
April 27th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
I’ve noticed a few of you guys making comments that since Rob Ryan is now gone, our defense will improve. Where were you idiots the last six years…out to sleep? When Kiffin tried to get the Ryan fired, some of you idiots jumped on Ryan’s side and backed Al “the fool” Davis for backing Ryan. Now, after 6 years of allowed destruction by Ryan and approved by “the fool” … you’re making the point that Ryan is gone. Get off it. Why didn’t you open your pie holes years ago, or at least last year.
Don’t respond, just buy a photo picture of Rob Ryan licking the boots of Al Davis.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
# The Autumn Wind Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
# jeremy s Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
the best way to help the offense is to make sure farglass never gets on the field.
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So true so true. The guy is no good
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i think that’s a bit harsh on a guy that’s done nothing but bide his time, work hard and contribute when he is called upon. personally, i’m glad that we have a banger like fargas for the likes of mcfadden and bush to learn from. do not underestimate the importance the leadership fargas brings, along with his toughness. if it were up to me (or indeed tom cable), i’d try and stock my entire locker room with guys like fargas, no question about it.
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Just look at all those wins fargas leadership has led to and toughness when has he played a full season you and cable’s locker room would be full of guys with heart but losers the NFL ain’t a disney movie.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
The Autumn Wind…623:
Thanks for removing the name Sam Williams, the dude who has something bad on Davis, it’s the only logical explanation why this fool remains, year after year. Them to boot, we always have to hear from these defenders who claim: “He’s good on special teams.” He needs to go.
Also, we don’t need Condo and longer. John Bowie remains because of the Randy Moss trade, but Al needs to chack it up already, it’s getting old and boring. Same story with Huff. Al needs to admit that he was a draft bust, like so many many other picks made by Al Davis, based on senile thinking.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
on my way to class i caught end of an interview on knbr that a scout said Mitchell has had a tendency to become a non-factor in games because he’s always going for the “big hit” and that he will most likely never become NFL starter.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
how do I change my password?
April 27th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
NoMoreFargas Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
# The Autumn Wind Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
# jeremy s Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
the best way to help the offense is to make sure farglass never gets on the field.
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So true so true. The guy is no good
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i think that’s a bit harsh on a guy that’s done nothing but bide his time, work hard and contribute when he is called upon. personally, i’m glad that we have a banger like fargas for the likes of mcfadden and bush to learn from. do not underestimate the importance the leadership fargas brings, along with his toughness. if it were up to me (or indeed tom cable), i’d try and stock my entire locker room with guys like fargas, no question about it.
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Just look at all those wins fargas leadership has led to and toughness when has he played a full season you and cable’s locker room would be full of guys with heart but losers the NFL ain’t a disney movie.
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the losses we’ve suffered are in no small part due to a lack of that kind of leadership. obviously, to succeed in the nfl, or any team sport, you need talent and skill as well, no doubt about it.
i’m just bemused by the people who seem to utterly disregard the mental component of the game, the grit and determination that a hard worker brings to the overall make-up of a team. perhaps fargas’s critics have never personally experienced the difference a man like him can bring to a locker room.
there is a reason why fargas has won the “commitment to excellence” award for the last 2 seasons, voted for by the men who know him best: his fellow raiders.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Everybody is pushing the panic button because of Mel,
Mel’s biggest blunder might have been his assessment of the Bolts. He gave the Chargers a C for what still could become a ‘74 Steelers type of draft: “I like end/linebacker Shawne Merriman as an addition to the pass rush, but the rest of the players the Chargers selected were taken a little early. Defensive tackle Luis Castillo did not have a first-round grade and receiver Vincent Jackson was a reach in the second round as the Chargers were desperate to add a receiver. Darren Sproles should be a nice situational back who can also return kicks, but the remainder of the players San Diego took were more toward the undrafted free-agent category.”
Um, Merriman has been one of the best players from a bust-filled 2005 first round, and Castillo has become a very good defensive lineman. Jackson is developing into an excellent option in San Diego’s supercharged passing game, and Sproles has shown that he’s much more than a “nice situational back,” as that franchise tag confirms.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
right, time for me to hit the hay. it’s been a pleasure blogging with you all, always good to hear the varied opinions of my fellow fans.
never forget: the autumn wind is a raider.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
SharkCatcher…post 639:
Excellent post. You leave Mel sucking big time bztt hole.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
An August blizzard or hurricane destroying all our opponents would be more welcomed. However, a nice breeze or wind at this time of year is ok. Have a good night and a better tomorrow August wind.
April 27th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
HAS ANYONE SEE THIS..I CANT BELIEVE CHRIS CARTER HOW IMMATURE AND DISRESPECTFUL HE WAS TO DHB AND WHILE THEY WERE INTERVIEWING HIM YOU HEAR THEM LAUGH I SO PISSED I HOPE THIS KID PROVES ALL THOSE GUYS WRONG…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NpAN7O2UWM
RAIDER FANS WE REALLY NEED TO SUPPORT THIS KID AND SHOW HIM MUCH LOVE FOR REAL
April 28th, 2009 at 12:00 am
CRACKRAIDER Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
HAS ANYONE SEE THIS..I CANT BELIEVE CHRIS CARTER HOW IMMATURE AND DISRESPECTFUL HE WAS TO DHB AND WHILE THEY WERE INTERVIEWING HIM YOU HEAR THEM LAUGH I SO PISSED I HOPE THIS KID PROVES ALL THOSE GUYS WRONG…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NpAN7O2UWM
RAIDER FANS WE REALLY NEED TO SUPPORT THIS KID AND SHOW HIM MUCH LOVE FOR REAL
Ive been trying to say the same thing… all the chatter now is just giving us reason to talk about the raiders… it feels good defending YOUR team.. ya know?
April 28th, 2009 at 12:05 am
HELL YEA MAN IM TIRED OF THESE SO CALLED “PROS” JUST TALK CRAP ABOUT MY TEAM LIKE THEY LOST ALL THE RESPECT FOR AL..IF IT WASNT FOR AL BLACK PEOPLE WOULDNT BE PLAYING FOOTBALL AND HE WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO HIRE A BLACK HEAD COACH>>HE’S IN THE HALL OF FAME FOR CRYING OUT LOUD/
April 28th, 2009 at 12:12 am
For the record, Marshall was the defensive coordinator in Seattle last season, when the Seahawks finished 18th in run defense — but dead last in pass defense.
April 28th, 2009 at 12:13 am
but you never know
April 28th, 2009 at 2:57 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NpAN7O2UWM
THIS IS TOTALLY UNACEPTABLE!!!!!!! How the hell can these guys crack up like that and then have the kid on the show?!
April 28th, 2009 at 6:55 am
morning raider fans
April 28th, 2009 at 6:57 am
Morning Nation any one see this break down…..it looks like DHB with more talent around him would have been a lot better he compares across the board with Crabbs….
% of receptions – Crabtree 22% to DHB – 19%
% of receiving yards – Crabtree 22.7% to DHB 22.7%
% of receiving tds – Crabtree 41.9% to 33.3%
YPC – Crabtree 12.2 to DHB 14.5
Total % of Offensive Yardage – Crabtree 13.5% to DHB 18.2%
April 28th, 2009 at 7:02 am
CRACKRAIDER Says:
April 27th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
HAS ANYONE SEE THIS..I CANT BELIEVE CHRIS CARTER HOW IMMATURE AND DISRESPECTFUL HE WAS TO DHB AND WHILE THEY WERE INTERVIEWING HIM YOU HEAR THEM LAUGH I SO PISSED I HOPE THIS KID PROVES ALL THOSE GUYS WRONG…
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Carter is bitter an pissed off because moss replaced him and bey is built alot like moss he is bitter b/c he didtnt get 30 mill gaurntee and was replaced by a primadonna I would be biitter to…but what a tool All I do is catch TD’s LOL why not help a team win Chris you are a punk!! hope to never see you in the TOWN…Bey will be a better player and for sure a better person than CC ever was!!!
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