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Filling out the roster

The Raiders typically don’t announce undrafted free agents until they show up at the first minicamp (unless they’re on the Chris Johnson secret-signing plan and they don’t announce it at all).

Various reports have the Raiders signing Florida Atlantic linebacker Frantz joseph, Kent State wide receiver Shawn Bayes and linebacker David Nixon so far.

The San Francisco Chronicle is also reporting the signing of Harvard defensive end Desmond Bryant.

You’ll find many of the reports before I do, and the players will probably end up coming to camp with the Raiders.

Chances of any of them making on the Week 1 53-man roster are slim, however, although you get the occasional John Madsen and Chris Carr.

Others, like Louis Rankin and Marcel Reece last year, make the pracitce squad and eventually get called to the 53-man roster.

But beware _ they’re not Raiders until they show up on May 8. There have been write-ups in local papers in past years which have players signing with the Raiders only to find out they had not, and instances when local reporters are checking in with players they’re sure have signed with the Raiders, only to find out otherwise.

It happened with a linebacker a couple of years ago, I want to say it was Cal Poly-SLO linebacker Jordan Beck, who later did come in for a tryout, but never did sign a contract.

You really don’t know for sure until they arrive at minicamp.

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  • Dude

    So they are right when talking about the Chiefs and Chargers but not the Raiders? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://atm Raider O

    Crab is a Diva. He looks and sounds like a diva. Fits in well across the bay. You know!!

  • Dude

    DHB definitely talks better than Crabtree. Now lets hope he plays better.

  • raidersince87

    The Autumn Wind Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
    raidersince87 Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
    in bey we now have a legitimate deep threat that at least will make a saftey or two back up, make them notice him if not scare them a little, could thenpossibly open up the middle for miller and he’s someone russell can hang one up for, i caint wait to see russell just throw one as far as he can with bey running under it

    JLH and the new boy murphy can also fly. the speed has to be respected. throw in mcfadden and miller into the mix and someone will always be open. russell just needs time to make the correct read and throw. on paper, we look to have a nearly complete arsenal to get the job done on offense. unfortunately, paper doesn’t win you ballgames but it’s been a while since i felt confident enough to say that we’ve genuinely got multiple threats.

    ——————————————–
    i like bey just not at 7, but oh well whats done is done, im with u the offense looks potent, deep threats, pass-catching te, schilenz a good red zone guy, and maybe walker can be a possesion guy, jlh can explode after the catch,a good rb’s, my hopes are high

  • Trolls 35 Raiders 0

    # priesttj Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 8:42 pm

    The Phillipines? a spy? I’ve never been in the military you fruitloop.

    That’s not what you :mrgreen: said on the other blog :roll: Everywhere you :blog: blog you :mrgreen: have to try to be better than anyone else :oops: Let’s see, the first blog I ran into you :mrgreen: you :mrgreen: were a doctor :roll: the next blog it was a soap opera leading man :roll: then it was a CIA spy in the Pillipines and Laos where you :mrgreen: mocked Jerry 8) for being filipino and a Catholic. Now you :mrgreen: for Al Davis :wink: Why can’t you just be an average every day Joe :-( and treat people decently :?:

  • raidersince87

    now the d-line is a big concern for me

  • Tomycar

    im glad we drafted not a single me primadonna hype player

  • http://atm Raider O

    Dude,

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but aren’t all rookies projects?!

  • raidersince87

    we just cant get ran thru like last year and expect to improve, our o wont be on the field long enuff to develope into a cohesive unit if teams are running it down our throats and chewing up the clock

  • The Autumn Wind

    raidersince87 Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
    The Autumn Wind Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
    raidersince87 Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
    in bey we now have a legitimate deep threat that at least will make a saftey or two back up, make them notice him if not scare them a little, could thenpossibly open up the middle for miller and he’s someone russell can hang one up for, i caint wait to see russell just throw one as far as he can with bey running under it

    JLH and the new boy murphy can also fly. the speed has to be respected. throw in mcfadden and miller into the mix and someone will always be open. russell just needs time to make the correct read and throw. on paper, we look to have a nearly complete arsenal to get the job done on offense. unfortunately, paper doesn’t win you ballgames but it’s been a while since i felt confident enough to say that we’ve genuinely got multiple threats.

    ——————————————–
    i like bey just not at 7, but oh well whats done is done, im with u the offense looks potent, deep threats, pass-catching te, schilenz a good red zone guy, and maybe walker can be a possesion guy, jlh can explode after the catch,a good rb’s, my hopes are high

    and why not? we should allow ourselves a bit of optimism because there are real reasons to believe this team is getting closer to finally turning the corner. much more so than at any other time over the 6 year drought, i should think…

  • http://atm Raider O

    You know!!!

  • Dude

    No, all rookies arent projects. Alot are ready to step in and immediately contribute.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Did they ever teach James Jett how to play WR?

  • raidersince87

    Autumn Wind Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
    raidersince87 Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
    The Autumn Wind Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
    raidersince87 Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
    in bey we now have a legitimate deep threat that at least will make a saftey or two back up, make them notice him if not scare them a little, could thenpossibly open up the middle for miller and he’s someone russell can hang one up for, i caint wait to see russell just throw one as far as he can with bey running under it

    JLH and the new boy murphy can also fly. the speed has to be respected. throw in mcfadden and miller into the mix and someone will always be open. russell just needs time to make the correct read and throw. on paper, we look to have a nearly complete arsenal to get the job done on offense. unfortunately, paper doesn’t win you ballgames but it’s been a while since i felt confident enough to say that we’ve genuinely got multiple threats.

    ——————————————–
    i like bey just not at 7, but oh well whats done is done, im with u the offense looks potent, deep threats, pass-catching te, schilenz a good red zone guy, and maybe walker can be a possesion guy, jlh can explode after the catch,a good rb’s, my hopes are high

    and why not? we should allow ourselves a bit of optimism because there are real reasons to believe this team is getting closer to finally turning the corner. much more so than at any other time over the 6 year drought, i should think…

    —————————————
    i couldnt agree with u more, russell looked good at the end of the year, basically his rookie year, and when cable challenged him thru the media earlier i liked the fact he didnt respond back thru the media, i think he’s ready to respond on the feild

  • priesttj

    Name one player in the draft that’s absolute. Once you get to this level every player has to be developed it is VERY RARE for a player to come in and dominate at any position. Except maybe Bo jackson or Dan Marino. Everybody else were essentially projects. Some just a lot more than others.

    Deion Sanders got picked on, Jerry Rice dropped passes, Walter Payton had to be developed. This is the NFL. Trevor Scott outplayed Chris Long.

    But only our players are projects?

    Adios, I’ve had quite enough of the whinning.

  • Dude

    Autumn wind,

    Keep hope alive bro.

  • raidersince87

    and if our d-line was really a product of bad coaching and performs well this year, i think we have a shot at the division title

  • GhostRaider

    I’m more intrigued by Louis Murphy than DHB.

  • http://atm Raider O

    Dude,

    I disagree sir.

    They are all projects, some workout and some don’t.

  • raidersince87

    gotta run nation, RAIDERS TO THE SUPER BOWL!!! (the rams did and they sucked the year b4) why not us?

  • Trolls 35 Raiders 0

    # priesttj Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    Name one player in the draft that’s absolute. Once you get to this level every player has to be developed it is VERY RARE for a player to come in and dominate at any position. Except maybe Bo jackson or Dan Marino. Everybody else were essentially projects. Some just a lot more than others.

    Deion Sanders got picked on, Jerry Rice dropped passes, Walter Payton had to be developed. This is the NFL. Trevor Scott outplayed Chris Long.

    But only our players are projects?

    Adios, I’ve had quite enough of the whinning.

    buttholeprick :mrgreen: I think you meant whining :lol: I know you :mrgreen: couldn’t mean winning :oops: Especially if you’re a big honcho in the orginization :wink:

  • beeecham

    Hey KrappyKell, hopefully you slept through most of the weekend on your theraputic mattress. With all the excitement of the draft happening, I bet your old goat heart would’ve simply given out.

    Anyway now that I see you’re back on the blog instead of doing old man activities at the rec center, its time to get you back in bed, soft bowl on cereal in your mitts and clean pair of diapers on your Krappy behind.

    Remember that you’re just an old goat with a bad memory and very loose bowels.

    Say goodnight now, Krappy.

  • The Autumn Wind

    raidersince87 Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    and why not? we should allow ourselves a bit of optimism because there are real reasons to believe this team is getting closer to finally turning the corner. much more so than at any other time over the 6 year drought, i should think…

    —————————————
    i couldnt agree with u more, russell looked good at the end of the year, basically his rookie year, and when cable challenged him thru the media earlier i liked the fact he didnt respond back thru the media, i think he’s ready to respond on the feild

    ____________

    there is no question that russell holds the keys to the ferrari-in-progress. i don’t think that this is necessarily a sink or swim season for him but i think the guy will do us proud if we keep surrounding him with talent.

  • The Autumn Wind

    Dude Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
    Autumn wind,

    Keep hope alive bro.

    _________

    always (and forever)!

  • http://atm Raider O

    Dude,

    Can you tell which one’s will contribute immediately? No one can.
    You draft projects, and work with them. Some can contribute immediately, others need more time, and some don’t workout.

  • 24

    Justin Griffith signed a 1 year deal with the Seahawks with Greg Knapp.

  • 24

    The Dolphins cut QB John Beck. He would be a decent #3 QB for us.

  • http://atm Raider O

    People thought HB C Johnson was a project, a reach, and the wrong pick for the Titans!!!!

    He only helped his team go 10- 0, not bad for the wrong pick, reach, and a project player.

    The experts thought they should draft WR!!!! Good for the experts!!! You know!!

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    HOW DO YOU GRADE SOMETHING THAT HASN’T BEEN TESTED YET?

  • Dude

    I would love to have as much hope and expectations as some of you boys have, I really would. Fact is I have ZERO confidence in Al Davis. NONE. NADA. I believe he has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he no longer has the capabilities to run an NFL team. Thats it, thats all.

  • The Autumn Wind

    Lynn from Snot Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
    HOW DO YOU GRADE SOMETHING THAT HASN’T BEEN TESTED YET?

    __________

    you can’t.

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    Duuude
    Why waste your time in a raider blog ? You obviously couldn’t support a team owned by Al DAVIS.

  • alisgod

    Exactly guys, the only thing you can grade is that Henderson held up against the top tier DE’s. Doesnt make me feel great but I can’t say that Monroe, Smiths, or Oher has accomplished that feat.

  • alisgod

    Lynn….

    dude is aka Mr. It’s so obvious.

  • The Autumn Wind

    Dude Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
    I would love to have as much hope and expectations as some of you boys have, I really would. Fact is I have ZERO confidence in Al Davis. NONE. NADA. I believe he has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that he no longer has the capabilities to run an NFL team. Thats it, thats all.

    _____________

    al davis doesn’t play the games. the hope springs from the potential of our players, particularly on offense. al has certainly made his fair share of mistakes, as every human being does, but, at the end of the day, nobody can question the man’s passion for the raiders. he wants to win and even though we may sometimes disagree with his actions, he only ever has the raiders success in his mind’s eye.

  • jeremy s

    once i finally got over my initial shock (and disdain) over our picks on day 1, I decided to try and learn a little more about the players we selected and why we selected them. here are my thoughts on the draft.

    rd 1. it is funny how dhb is a projected 1st round pick (granted probably somewhere between 20-30) but when he is drafted by the raiders he suddenly is a horrible football player. did you hear the pundits on espn, especially chris carter? chris carter’s evaluation of dhb made it sound like the raiders drafted the worst wr in the draft, not a wr that graded out with 1st round talent. once the sanchez trade was made i think that any likely hood of the raiders finding a trading partner diminished greatly. yes, conventional wisdom says trade back and accumulate more picks while still getting your target player but what if there was just no interest from any teams to move to #7. I didn’t exactly see any other wr needy teams burning up the phones to take the so called best wr (crabtree) who fell to 10th. i am not in love with the dhb pick and personally would have taken maclin or raji but it was not the worst decision ever made, even if mel kiper says so.

    rd 2. “Who the f*ck is Mike Mitchell? What is al doing? Nobody knows who the hell this kid is. Look at all of the 1st round talent on the board and we take a f*cking safety that doesn’t even have a highlight!” Those were my first reactions when i heard the pick. (Please keep in mind that by that time i was still shocked by the dhb pick and was at the bar and had really starting drinking heavy midway through the jags being on the clock). All of the sudden, when all the smoke clears, me and mike mayock and mel kiper and everyone else realize that mike mitchell was targeted by more than just us to be picked anywhere from the 2nd to the 3rd rounds. now, i know it is just youtube and youtube highlights are only going to show the good, but i really liked what i saw. a read where a few people made comments suggesting that the film looked as though it was a high school game and high school caliber oppossition. while the film quality was bad, it was still good enough for me to notice him knocking around everyone from Ohio State. yeah, thats right, the Ohio State (i hate the whole “THE” thing but it adds more emphasis to my point). his q and a was also very impressive. I hope all of this translates to the field as i am now truly excited about this guy.

    the raiders drafted dhb at 7, roughly 13-20 slots higher than projected or graded by mel kiper while josh freeman went at 17 while being graded as the 50th best prospect by mel kiper. that is 33 slots higher than he really should have gone but because it wasn’t the raiders picking freeman it was a great pick and great value despite the fact that nobody behind tampa was likely to draft freeman because they already have their qb.

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    The great thing about being a Raider fan is pissing off the haters because they just don’t get it. There is nothing better than rolling into the Colosseum at 8 am ready to indulge in some festivities with 50,000 of my closest friends. Then rooting on the silver and black for 4 qtrs.

  • jeremy s

    i’m not breaking down the rest of the picks but i will say that i looked up shaughnessey all over the internet and read everything i could about him and i think that i can say in confidence that……………
    yeah man, i know.

  • 24

    Dude – I know where you’re coming from but if Al Davis lives another 15 years…you’re not going to enjoy football very much. Sometimes its better just to say “Ah fuk it” then to fight it all the time because its out of our control. Plus…my biggest question becomes, who will take over the team when Al Davis passes? It could be an idiot and we could have more years of futility under some no name bum. I love football and the Raiders and I have to treat football like a child and be patient with it because if I don’t relax, I’ll kill it haha.

  • The Autumn Wind

    jeremy s Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 9:31 pm

    the raiders drafted dhb at 7, roughly 13-20 slots higher than projected or graded by mel kiper while josh freeman went at 17 while being graded as the 50th best prospect by mel kiper. that is 33 slots higher than he really should have gone but because it wasn’t the raiders picking freeman it was a great pick and great value despite the fact that nobody behind tampa was likely to draft freeman because they already have their qb.

    __________

    ‘projected’…’graded’….’33 slots higher’…i completely agree, it’s all meaningless pish.

    guess what? if you asked mel kiper to declare heads or tails for a coin toss, he would be wrong 50% of the time. and yet people want to take his word (and others like him) as gospel when it comes to something as complex as who you should take (and in what order) in the nfl draft??

  • r8rpaver

    troll go stock someone else your getting old dude

  • jeremy s

    yeah, mel kiper and the rest of the crew kinda ticked me off but it was to be expected. if we took crabtree then they would have said that crabtree is a good wr but what about his foot and we should have drafted a lineman. same goes for maclin. if we drafted raji then it wouldn’t make sense because of the $ already tied up in the d-line. if we took a michael oher they would say that he will help the o-line but we should have drafted dhb to give jamarcus the deep threat that he needs. my point is, nothing that the raiders did, have done, or will do is ever going to be right in the eyes of the so called experts.

  • Brien the General 510

    Its all on Russell. That will be the theme for 2009. The tackles were so called upgraded as well as the center position held by Satele. More WR help has been added this past weekend along with an extra TE in the same mold as Miller. Everyone knows the potential of bush/dmac can set the league on fire. In other words he has no excuse not to win now. 3-0 start or bust

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    If kiper was that good he would have a job as a NFL gm or personnel exec. not some talking head that gets 1/2 the draft right.

  • The Autumn Wind

    jeremy s Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
    yeah, mel kiper and the rest of the crew kinda ticked me off but it was to be expected. if we took crabtree then they would have said that crabtree is a good wr but what about his foot and we should have drafted a lineman. same goes for maclin. if we drafted raji then it wouldn’t make sense because of the $ already tied up in the d-line. if we took a michael oher they would say that he will help the o-line but we should have drafted dhb to give jamarcus the deep threat that he needs. my point is, nothing that the raiders did, have done, or will do is ever going to be right in the eyes of the so called experts.

    _________

    nope, not until we start winning. then you will suddenly find that the ‘experts’ will say that the raiders can do no wrong and al’s farts smell like roses. such is the nature of the beast.

    which is precisely why we should all be independently minded and be strong enough to form our own opinions.

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    True this is Russells big year to show improvement and to take over as a team leader. This will be a telling year to see what he can do with a adequate supporting cast.

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    “Winning is the best deodorant.” (John Madden)

  • 24

    Man…The Sharks are terrible..(In the playoffs)

  • 24

    Its on Russell’s shoulders but the coaching staff has to make sure that they put their players in a position to succeed. They really need to make sure they match McFadden up in the right spots, be creative in their playcalling, have a balanced attack, play the right players (McFadden,Bush) as an example.

  • jeremy s

    what really pissed me off was chris carter. did anyone see how unprofessional, condescending, and arrogant he was in discussing his dislike of the raiders drafting dhb. it is his job to give his opinion and analysis but he was acting as if he were a 6 year old who was just told that he couldn’t have frosted flakes and to reach down and grab the food lion brand. it got worse when suzie kolber was doing a live video chat with dhb and you heard chris carter in the background laughing and snickering. his analysis of dhb made dhb sound as though he had no business being in the draft at all. as i said, it is his job to disagree and give his perspective but be a little more dignified than that.