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Filling out the roster

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, April 27th, 2009 at 1:30 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders typically don’t announce undrafted free agents until they show up at the first minicamp (unless they’re on the Chris Johnson secret-signing plan and they don’t announce it at all).

Various reports have the Raiders signing Florida Atlantic linebacker Frantz joseph, Kent State wide receiver Shawn Bayes and linebacker David Nixon so far.

The San Francisco Chronicle is also reporting the signing of Harvard defensive end Desmond Bryant.

You’ll find many of the reports before I do, and the players will probably end up coming to camp with the Raiders.

Chances of any of them making on the Week 1 53-man roster are slim, however, although you get the occasional John Madsen and Chris Carr.

Others, like Louis Rankin and Marcel Reece last year, make the pracitce squad and eventually get called to the 53-man roster.

But beware _ they’re not Raiders until they show up on May 8. There have been write-ups in local papers in past years which have players signing with the Raiders only to find out they had not, and instances when local reporters are checking in with players they’re sure have signed with the Raiders, only to find out otherwise.

It happened with a linebacker a couple of years ago, I want to say it was Cal Poly-SLO linebacker Jordan Beck, who later did come in for a tryout, but never did sign a contract.

You really don’t know for sure until they arrive at minicamp.

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  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    So much for the president trophy. Makes a good cheese tray.

  • Brien the General 510

    # Lynn from Snot Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    True this is Russells big year to show improvement and to take over as a team leader. This will be a telling year to see what he can do with a adequate supporting cast.
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    Russell seems to have a better offense around him. The fact that bush and dmac are the main backs things may take shape

  • Brien the General 510

    We better pray Samson Satele is the center we all hope for. If he is then we may have a total change offensively as far as short yardage and goaline situations go.

  • Brien the General 510

    So who is the fullback?

  • nader64

    AutumnWind – during our last SB run Al got little to no credit. Most folks giving credit were giving it to Gruden for “building” Callahan’s team.

  • Brien the General 510

    Someone said oneal will be ready training camp but i doubt it. Lorenzo Neal please?

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    Chris Carter is not a character guy and he has no class for the unprofessional way he acted during the interview.

  • The Autumn Wind

    24 Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
    Its on Russell’s shoulders but the coaching staff has to make sure that they put their players in a position to succeed. They really need to make sure they match McFadden up in the right spots, be creative in their playcalling, have a balanced attack, play the right players (McFadden,Bush) as an example.

    _______________

    i really don’t think this will be a problem. drawing up the plays and calling them becomes a lot easier when you’ve got a variety of weapons at your disposal. it’s all about the players; how many offensive coordinators have made their name while calling plays for talent-laden offenses? is it because they’re so extremely clever? or is it because they’ve got the full arsenal down on the field?

  • alisgod

    Brien, at the least he stays healthy as compared to Grove.

  • nader64

    yeah, see “Scott Linehan” in the dictionary

  • jeremy s

    i hope dmac and bush are going to be the main backs. with the raiders shopping farglass this weekend i really hope that means that he is done being the #1 or even #2 ball carrier. i wonder how farglass will take being demoted to 3rd on the depth chart. all of the farglass supporters on here that say he is such a good influence and has great character and is a true raider and team player will really find out if its true. personally, i think he sucks. he brings nothing onto the field. maybe he brings something to the locker room but he doesn’t bring shyt to the field. he has no vision, no moves, can’t catch, can’t break tackles, and can’t score td’s. all he can do is run right at the hole that the play is designed to go to as hard as he can and hopefully it will open.

  • Brien the General 510

    Are we planning on not using a fullback and do a peyton manning type of offense?

  • alisgod

    Man it is refreshing to not see so much of the whiners tonite.

  • jeremy s

    gotta have a fullback. if oneal isn’t ready, i am not going to be happy with lawton. we need a bruiser at fb that is just going run m-fers over and open holes. hoping that guy can be oneal but who knows if he will be ready.

  • The Autumn Wind

    nader64 Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
    AutumnWind – during our last SB run Al got little to no credit. Most folks giving credit were giving it to Gruden for “building” Callahan’s team.

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    yeah, funny how gruden got much of the credit for building that SB team but when things have gone wrong it is suddenly al who made all of the draft picks and free agent signings. (<—–sarcasm!)

  • Brien the General 510

    # alisgod Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 10:02 pm

    Brien, at the least he stays healthy as compared to Grove.
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    Yeah i hated Grove. I want him to do well and stay healthy. We can really win if he plays at a high level

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    I think Dmac can be used in the same way MArshall Faulk was. He can line up anywhere on the field and make defenses account for him.

  • 24

    There are many coaches who can fuk up a great offense. 2006 comes to mind. Randy Moss, Jerry Porter, Ronald Curry. Look at what Norv Turner did here. He had a decent team and he fuked it up. Callahan had Brown and Rice the year after the Superbowl and he found a way to fuk it up. I just hope Cable and the coaching staff have a solid plan to ensure that McFadden and Bush are getting the ball because they’re the best chance to win and not Fargas because he has so much heart. Make sure Miller is a JR Safety net. Make sure you have short routes and deep routes and mix it up properly. Ball control, take time off the clock.

  • Brien the General 510

    # alisgod Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 10:05 pm

    Man it is refreshing to not see so much of the whiners tonite.

    Sorry bruh but people got a right to complain if they feel the need. I honestly wasnt happy overall but i gotta accept it because im going to the games again this season. The fact that Al is still in love withthe stop watch is very discouraging to some. I’ll hold out hope that DHB and M.Mitchell was selected because they instantly help out the defense and offense

  • 24

    Maybe Marcel Reese finally gets his shot since hes an H-Back type. He can play Fullback and shift to TE when being put into motion or during audibles?

  • jeremy s

    the best way to help the offense is to make sure farglass never gets on the field.

  • alisgod

    Man, is it me or I think Meyers is a carbon copy of Zach Miller.

    Dude catches with his hands. They throw a lot of screen passes to him so we know he can run. Dont know about his blocking but if we got 2 TE’s that can catch then it will give teams fits.

  • 24

    Sharks are done. Disappointing. Embarrassing. Trade Thornton, Marleau, Cheechoo. Trade everybody. Start over.

  • nader64

    Didn’t Cable say something like “In this league you throw the ball to score points (get the lead) and you run the ball to win (close) the game” when he got hired? Combined w/ the way we drafted, I see indications of an actual passing attack. Meaning JaMarcus has to absolutely take “the next step” for us to be successful.

  • Brien the General 510

    Dmac needs 20 to 25 touches a game and Bush needs to get 10 to 15 touches or vice versa depending on who we playing that game.

    As long as Farglass gets no carries I’m happy

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    I am really curious how Marshall will shape the defense , I know Cable said things will be similar and don’t expect a whole new scheme but , Maybe he will tweak it so that he uses the players to there strengths. Also add some more blilz packages.

  • Brien the General 510

    # jeremy s Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    the best way to help the offense is to make sure farglass never gets on the field.
    *******************
    So true so true. The guy is no good

  • jeremy s

    maybe we can package a deal together to send walter, farglass, sands, huff, turd, and javon to that new league that is starting up, the UFL. too bad walter and farglass wouldn’t be good there either.

  • alisgod

    Brien, it’s cool to disagree but to whine so much all day like krappykell and Dakotex and Mr. it gets old. I dont believe in blind loyalty but I also dont believe in blind hate either.

    I am a Cable guy. I enjoy all of his press conf. He is a motivator. He may not be a genius xo but I can tell he is a motivator. I watch his press conf and I want to play for him.

    It has been a long long time since we go out and get football players. In teh past, we would get a conversion project at 5th, 6th, and 7th. this year we traded up to get Meyers. He can flat out play and they run screen plays for him at Iowa.

  • CRACKRAIDER

    Even more this and that

    The Raiders are one of those very few teams in the NFL who won’t announce the undrafted free agents they’ve signed immediately after the draft. That’s just the way they are.

    In lieu of new names to add to the independent confirmation search, here are a few news items to look over, none of which really merit a blog of its own.

    Translation: slow news day, folks.

    ** Former Raiders fullback Justin Griffith signed a one-year deal with the Seahawks, according to multiple Northwest media reports.

    The Raiders released Griffith after two seasons as their starting fullback. He finished last season on the IR because of midseason ACL surgery.

    When released in January, some thought he would simply be re-signed later at cheaper prices, and the idea had merit. But, when Griffith visited the Seahawks last month as a free agent, it obviously became inevitable he’d rejoin his former coaches in Atlanta — Jim Mora Jr. and Greg Knapp, his offensive coordinator in Oakland as well.

    The Raiders are still trying to sign an undrafted free agent fullback to provide depth for Oren O’Neal (coming back from major knee surgery) and midseason pickup Luke Lawton.

    Who knows? Maybe they already have. They reportedly showed interest in Kansas linebacker Joe Mortensen, who worked out as a fullback during his pro day and expects to be converted in the pros.

    ** Undrafted Cal quarterback Nate Longshore had discussions with the Raiders before signing with the Dolphins, his agent told the Contra Costa Times.

    Don’t read too much into it, people. Even the Raiders need camp arms.

    ** Speaking of undrafted free agents, remember defensive end Kevin Huntley? Discovered by the Raiders in 2006, he just signed with the CFL’s Argonauts after spending parts of last season with the Steelers.

    ** I was asked to do a mock draft for the paper this year, and by “asked,” I mean, “told.”

    I got six of 32 picks right, and a seventh if you count a player drafted in the right slot but by a different team.

    One thing I learned about those things: draft-day trades make a mockery of mock drafts, and there’s simply no way around it.

    ** Spoke with someone from Maryland (University of) today, and people there are ticked at the Darrius Heyward-Bey bashing.

    No one expected No. 7 overall, but don’t kill the kid over it, they say.

  • Brien the General 510

    Marshall better not be predictable like Ryan was

  • 24

    Marshall has alot more experience than Ryan and Marshall’s system isn’t drastically different from Al Davis’ ideas so I think he can run Al Davis’ ideas with more success like Willie Shaw did in the past. Rob Ryan is a 3-4 Zone/Prevent Guy and that obviously didn’t work here.

  • The Autumn Wind

    Brien the General 510 Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
    # jeremy s Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    the best way to help the offense is to make sure farglass never gets on the field.
    *******************
    So true so true. The guy is no good

    __________

    i think that’s a bit harsh on a guy that’s done nothing but bide his time, work hard and contribute when he is called upon. personally, i’m glad that we have a banger like fargas for the likes of mcfadden and bush to learn from. do not underestimate the importance the leadership fargas brings, along with his toughness. if it were up to me (or indeed tom cable), i’d try and stock my entire locker room with guys like fargas, no question about it.

  • Brien the General 510

    DHB better shut folks up

  • alisgod

    Lynn, you said it best in describing Cable…tweak…

    See Cable doesnt threaten Al. Al is a very very sensitive guy. I can see the changes Cable is doing. Publicly he says what Al wants to hear adn the changes he makes are so subtle that it doesnt scare Al. This is why we had the best off season in years. To Me, one of the better drafts in years (no more converting point guards and safeties in WR’s). This will go down IMO as the moment our franchise gets back to respectability.

  • Lowdown_in_Beijing

    We are a run-first team.

    Bush and possibly Dmac will lead the charge.
    Miller will lead the Raiders in receptions again.

    One of our WR will emerge as the go to guy by mid season.

    I expect Shields to battle everyone for time as the slot receiver.

    As for the D…if Marshall can do half of what Wille Shaw did then we will improve to 15 overall.

    As for the draft, it’s Soap Opera for men, get over it.

    This way yall have something to argue over for next few months until training camp when you aren’t playing Madden.

    As for me, I’m off to a bevy of delectiable Asian delights for which most of you can only google…

  • SnB Defense

    I can’t believe the hatred and disrespect in the media towards the players. Its one thing to deadpan Davis for his strategy…i.e trading down…but its another to hear the b.s said on the radio etc..

    Bump that. I like how both these guys (DHB and Mitchell) are handling their business. Mitchell was on Sirius Radio and really sounded polished, determined and motivated.

    I was not for drafting these guys at all..you know I was a defensive line guy…

    But after this…those two are now my favorite players period.

    we are actually lucky out of this. I can’t think of two draftees, maybe Eben Britton LOL, that are more motivated to show the world they deserved to be drafted where they were.

    Instantly two of my favorite players…Mike Mitchell and Darrius Heyward-Bey….Give’m Hell guys

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    Prediction for 09: the Norv experiment ends in SD Mc Daniels becomes Kiffin 2.0 and divides the Broncos. Haley finds out Cassell isn’t Tom Brady. The Raiders aren’t as dumb as we thought.

  • Brien the General 510

    Farglass lacks the talent to even see time over the like of dmac and bush. Come on when he ran the ball did you really think the offense was at its best? The big plays from the RB slot came from Dmac/Bush. Farglass is terrible as a starting RB. It was just like Josh McCown playing QB, you just knew a win wasnt coming if he was in there

  • jeremy s

    here we go with all the heart and leadership stuff. that stuff is great but it doesn’t mean he is a good rb. he definately isn’t tough. even before he was getting all of the carries he couldn’t finish a whole season. like i said earlier, all the farglass lovers will hopefully see how much heart and character his no talent azz has when he gets 4-5 snaps (not carries but snaps) per game. he is a special teams player at best. we couldn’t even trade him for a 6th or 7th round pick this weekend.

  • alisgod

    There are 2 players on our team that alot of people are high on but i cant get any film on them….Branch and Shield….Have you guys seen them play or made plays?

  • jeremy s

    autumn wind,

    if the whole locker room was filled with farglasses we would only score 7 points per year.

  • Lowdown_in_Beijing

    More Bush in 2009.

  • Brien the General 510

    SnB, thats all we can do right now. We gonna have to support these guys or get a new team

  • Brien the General 510

    # jeremy s Says:
    April 27th, 2009 at 10:23 pm

    here we go with all the heart and leadership stuff. that stuff is great but it doesn’t mean he is a good rb. he definately isn’t tough. even before he was getting all of the carries he couldn’t finish a whole season. like i said earlier, all the farglass lovers will hopefully see how much heart and character his no talent azz has when he gets 4-5 snaps (not carries but snaps) per game. he is a special teams player at best. we couldn’t even trade him for a 6th or 7th round pick this weekend.
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    LOL true true

  • Brien the General 510

    AlisGod…….Branch got an INT vs KC last year as soon as he got in the game

  • http://snotmerch.com/ Lynn from Snot

    If we can run consistently that will help the passing game get that home run when they cheat up in run downs. Bye bye BEY BEY

  • Brien the General 510

    But what about our LBs? Are we really satisfied with Howard,Morrison and Brown. No way!

  • nader64
  • jeremy s

    only if we run consistently with dmac-bush. not farglass. consistent running with farglass is 3yds, -1yd, 3yds, punt.