What did the Raiders lose?
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, April 28th, 2009 at 11:43 pm in Oakland Raiders.
After the on-line chat, I’ve been doing some freelance work today (not to mention helping coach in Little League _ another tough loss) including a preseason article which includes the categories “Key addition” and “key loss.”
The key addition was predetermined (Jeff Garcia). I’m supposed to come up with the “key loss,” and for the life of me, nothing is coming to mind.
Perhaps that’s further evidence of what has been a pretty smooth offseason.
Much of the nation seems to be up in arms about the Raiders draft, but as you’ve probably surmised, I think the draft is just about the most overanalyzed thing in football and that it’s worth waiting to see players actually on the field until forming a judgement.
Center Jake Grove left in free agency, but the Raiders replaced him with a younger, more durable player who is much cheaper in Samson Satele.
I liked Rashad Baker, who did some good things, and pointed him out as a prime example of a guy whose height-weight-speed combo didn’t make him a classic Raider. They’re planning on using a lot more of Tyvon Branch, and now Mike Mitchell, and I can see that.
(I don’t want to cheapen the loss at sea of Marquis Cooper by including him in a sports category when so much more was lost than a football player).
Not sure if the “key loss” has to be a player or not, because if a non-player is OK, the key loss is special teams coach Brian Schneider, who took the job of recruiting coordinator at USC.
That’s not to say John Fassel won’t do just fine, but Schneider presided over the best Raiders special teams since they came back to Oakland, with only a couple of down games.
Any other suggestions would be appreciated.
Notes: The Raiders signed defensive lineman (correction _ guard) Jonathan Compas, according to the U.C. Davis Web site. Also due to arrive is Boise State tight end Chris O’Neil of Miramonte High School in Orinda.
The Raiders as a matter of policy do not announce undrafted free agent signees until they’re signed and have taken the field and then sometimes wait until the ink has dried for a week or three.
– Missed wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey on Comcast Sportsnet Bay Area, but the Chrons David White was a guest and has a transcription.
– These were my team-by-team grades for the NFL draft, where hopefully I conveyed the fact that I think the whole exercise of grading in advance is ridiculous even if every media outlet seems to think it’s necessary.
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April 28th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
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April 28th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
State tight end Chris O’Neil of Miramonte High School in Orinda.————————————– were getting high school players now>>>???
April 28th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
didnt see the boise state part Mybad! lol
April 29th, 2009 at 12:03 am
Heyward-bey will make them pay.(: But the choice of #12 on the jersey is a bad idea.Jerry if you can whenever you get a chance to interview Dhb you should help him out and suggest #83 because as a fan you want to buy the jersey and support ya players but if the numbers and name don’t look good I wouldn’t buy it. I liked currys jersey with 89, his num and name go together and stick out.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:07 am
It’s obvious to me that the organization is combing every prospect they can. They are on the attack. I’ve never seen them this aggressive after RFA. They are going after depth at every position and it appears they are not leaving a stone unturned.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:11 am
Dmac20, the kid’s doing it for a reason, what I’m not sure, but come on man you need to suck that up. Or buy a different jersey. Maybe Mitchell’s they were as bad on him as they were on DHB.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:24 am
we need to bring in more full backs
April 29th, 2009 at 12:27 am
Jerry-
One thing i believe after Saturdays Draft everyone has lost a lot of “Respect” towards Al Davis. what he has done for this organization and for the NFL, for them to criticize his draft choice and say that he to old fashion I’m tired of it. Why cant you talk about something Positive for once lets cheer for this new raider team and head coach, that’s what you should talk about. GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Jerry gt a question for ya’. Y’all seem t think that the way the Raiders select talent is so bad. Height, weight, speed and they never go for players that don’t fit that mold (which is not true) those are just basic parameters that they prefer of which speed is paramount. But to say they wont draft a player is not entirely true. Jake Grove, Biekert, Todd Marinovich, Grady Jackson, Jerry Porter and many others didn’t exactly fit that mold. But my point is what is so wrong about that?
If height, wieght and speed weren’t the considderation of all franchises then why the combine and the emphasis on measurables especially a 40 time for lineman? Why the verticle for a DT or OT? why the emphasis on size and speed by all scouts.
Why the emphasis on strength Jerry? It appears to that everyone is obsessed with these same measurables even the talking heads. These Mayocks of the world pretend they aren’t just as concerned with them but if they were working for a franchise and their jobs depended on it, gaurantee you height weight and speed would be central in every evaluation of every player.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:40 am
Please tell me what you guys think of this guy frantz joseph the linebhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNstliEo4Hsacker we signed_______________
April 29th, 2009 at 12:45 am
Really I watched Mr Davis for many years and the only real measurable that he is a real stickler for is SPEED. And that is only for certain positions, DB’s, RB’s, WR’s TE’s are not required to be overly fast ie; Zach Miller and the young rookie Myers. His lineman aren’t required to be overly fast except DE’s. NONE of his QB’s were particularly nimble or fast. It’s just certain positions.
But the media harps on this crap like he wants OG to run 4.5 40’s. It’s sick how silly some of these writers and pundits make a huge deal out of his preferences but disregard the other crap that goes on in this league. It’s bias and ridiculous and that includes you Jerry.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:49 am
LOL…
where are all the FBs??? We could have had Leonard Weaver, goddamit!!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:49 am
Morning, btw!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:52 am
If you’re talking to me sharkcatcher I’ve seen him. I’ like the kid from what I’ve seen of him. He’s the kind of LBer I think we need to add to this defense.
If you motice him, his 40 time isn’t very good and he’s not overly big. But he plays the game the way the Raiders prefer, ferociously.
Guy’s Mr Davis loves speed because it’s the one thing that’s hard to compensate for. He wants the offensive positions to run away from the defense and the defense to catch an open field runner. You can’t do that without speed………..period
April 29th, 2009 at 12:53 am
The Raiders lost the title of the most drama in the off season. Denver took that title this year.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:05 am
What other recievers wear #12? the only good ones i can think of are marques colston and justin gage. i kinda like #’s in the 10’s for recievers ala larry fitzgerald, i think itll look good on dhb.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:09 am
For those to lazy to click the link, here’s the interview transcript for DHB.
DHB and me on Comcast
Darrius Heyward-Bey is No. 1 in the Raiders’ draft class. Now, he’ll be No. 12 on the team roster.
He’ll be wearing Ken Stabler’s number when he makes his Raiders debut at next weekend’s minicamp, the first time he’ll be in Oakland since the Raiders picked him with the seventh overall selection of the NFL draft Saturday.
As for a nickname, we got it right the first time.
“Darrius Heyward-Bey has a nice ring to it but DHB is not bad,” he said during an interview with Greg Papa and I on the Chronicle Live show (catch it on tape at 11 p.m.).
“It’s quick, it’s fast, I think people will catch on pretty fast to that.”
Quick and fast. Kind of like Heyward-Bey himself. Here’s the rest of the transcript from today’s live-via-satellite appearance.
Q: Reaction when picked by Raiders?
A: I was happy. ThereObviously, were so many different emotions were going through my head at the time. The rest of my family was happy. My mom was in tears and it’s just a real blessing to be picked 7th overall.
Q: Surprised?
A: I found out maybe 2 minutes right before, but just talking to the coaches, having a workout with them, seeing them at the Combine, just doing all the regular stuff you got to do just before the draft.”
Q: Thoughts when leaving college a year early?
A: I knew I could have been in the first round. I had a possibility of being in the early second so when I went to the Combine, I wanted to make sure I was staying in the first round. That’s why I went out to Athletes Performance out in Arizona. Worked on what i had to work on so at the Combine, I could perform to the best of my ability. And from there, I just left it in God’s hands and He put me in a good spot.
Q: Once ran a 4.23 in 2006? Have a different gear after 30?
A: Yeah, I get faster as I go. I feel like I have another gear, blowing up in high school and even my years in college, everybody says that I just put it in another gear. I don’t know where it comes from. Maybe it’s fear, maybe it’s skill, but I definitely put it into another gear.
Q: After pro-style offense, thought much of going deep with JaMarcus?
A: I’m looking forward to it. Run full-speed and try to get under the ball and make a play. Running a pro-style offense in Maryland is really going to help me transition to the NFL game with the formations and the play calls.
Q: Lots of end around and reverses?
A: It was fun. We tried to get the ball to me in different ways. In the ACC, they do a great job of trying to stop your number 1 guy so I had a lot of brackets and a lot of double teams just to get me the handoff, a quick bubble screen, just to get me the ball was something I was able to do this past season.
Q: Answer to postdraft critics?
A: I just think Al Davis and the rest of the staff wanted me. They didn’t care about if it was the 7th pick or the 15th pick. I think they just wanted me to be their guy and I’m happy that they chose me. I really can’t worry about what everybody else is saying. All I can do is worry about me and the efforts I put in to be th ebest player I can be.
Q: Comparisons to Randy Moss?
A: I was honored. I think Randy Moss is the most skilled player in the NFL. He’s just born with a lot of talent. But I also know that I have to make a name for myself, put a stamp on the Raiders being Darrius Heyward-Bey and not worry about comparisons to him or anybody else.
Q: Inconsistent hands, true?
A: That’s peoples opinion. I don’t think a lot of people watched Maryland games over the past three years. They’ve only looked at stats and compared them to other people and just think my hands aren’t good but I can definitely catch the ball. I wouldn’t be here if that wasn’t the case.
Q: Ready to sign before camp?
A: It’s very important. I want to get the deal done fast so I can get out there with JaMarcus and the rest of the guys to build that chemistry that I want to give that the rest of the team needs. I’m really looking forward to doing that.
Q: Basketball past, able to win jumpballs?
A: Yeah, actually, the high school I went to was a boarding school in Maryland. I went there to play basketball and couldn’t shoot but I could definitely dunk. Been dunking pretty much since 7th grade. So going up and getting the ball is something I am capable of doing. At maryland, I didn’t really have the opportunity to show my (jumping) ability, just a few times to makwe those plays other people can’t make, so it’s definitely in my future.
Q: Did Maryland QBs somewhat hold your stats down?
A: For me, it was more I understood the situation we had. The quarterbacks we had were great, good friends of mine, they tried their best to give me the ball. I just tell them to throw it up the best they can and I’ll go and bring it down. And that’s the way we did it. Having four quarterbacks in three years, it’s tough for anybody but I just went out there and worked every day and tried to build that chemistry with each guy that I had.
Q: Expectations as a rookie?
A: You said goals. No. 1 is to go in there and learn as much as you can and to work hard. Then everything else will take care of itself. If you go in there (unclear) then nothing but good will happen.
Q: You’re wearing No. 12?
A: That is the plan.
Q: Nickname?
A: Darrius Heyward-Bey has a nice ring to it but DHB is not bad. It’s quick, it’s fast, I think people will catch on pretty fast to that.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:12 am
Hey Bey all the way!!!
Now I’m sold on DHB.
Murphy has large hands 10″, 4th largest in this group of WRs.
I really like this draft, we got hard working football players.
DHB played WR and LB at HS.
MM played S in HS and College.
Shaugnessy could have been drafted higher if it wasn’t for all his injuries at college.
Good draft.
We also have 2 nasty hitters in MM and Joseph.
I think Joseph makes the team as a backup ILB for now, not bad for a RFA.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:13 am
oh well, better go to that meeting…
Raider, good morning!
April 29th, 2009 at 1:15 am
The LB in the 4th will make the Team Too.
I like that kid Bryant, he has the same size and speed as Mario Williams.
If he can play, he could be a good Base End for us.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:18 am
Good morning LMN.
It’s 1am here, and I’m about all done. lol
A few more posts will not hurt.
Good luck with they meeting bro.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:19 am
thanks, mate.. it should be painless, and a bit boring, but hey, its a nice way to start the day =)
April 29th, 2009 at 1:22 am
I know you didn’t like the draft LMN, and it looks like the normal Al draft.
I think this year was different. true we got fast guys like always, but this time they can also play football.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:31 am
LMN,
Meetings was the worst part of my job. I hate working with others, I work better and faster alone. I’m working on my degree in Finance, but I don’t think I will use It for a career.
I like selling cars too much, buying them, fixing them, and then selling them.
I like to go the day before, look at them, price them, make a plan, and then go to the Auction the next day to buy. Sometimes you get what you want, and others you lose the car you want due to price.
Now I know why I like the draft so much!! It’s like my work. lol
April 29th, 2009 at 1:34 am
Meetings were, sorry but it’s late.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:36 am
I would like to open a small car lot one day when I’m done with my education.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:04 am
We got a sh!tload of speed on Offense…..
McFadden
JLH
DHB
Chaz
Murphy
Sheilds
Then we pound the rock with Bush and dump it off to Zach over the middle….
Who is going to stop that??
It’s all up to JaMarcus now……
April 29th, 2009 at 4:16 am
Top-O-THE-MORNING NATION!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 4:21 am
O-Yeah we got the speed that breeds points!!! Just finished my 1st cup-o-koolaid and I can see we will score more points than everybody!!!A “most” exellent draft by Big Al and CC.MAN-O-MAN I just cant wait.I would love 2 make the opening nite game vs donkeys and meet 16 year old fan!!!,but I will prolly make vs the squaws on Nov 15th.I CANT WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 4:57 am
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April 29th, 2009 at 5:29 am
Morning Nation!
April 29th, 2009 at 5:34 am
What’s up fellas. I know what you’re saying 4eva but the line
meet 16 year old fan!!!, sounds funny I just woke up and I had to re-read you’re post.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:39 am
Will mitchell wear legendary #32 ?
April 29th, 2009 at 5:40 am
well the kid has had a rough time and he still has the zest 4 da Raiders,and he post pretty good 4 a 16 year old.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:43 am
I can see Mitchell in #32!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 5:45 am
and I just have a soft spot in my heart 4 kids that have been put behind the proverbial 8-ball,so 2 speak
April 29th, 2009 at 5:48 am
16yearsold16yearfan Says:
April 28th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
me and my mom are going to the opening game this year might see some of you guys ill be the black kid in the wheelchair with dreads
April 29th, 2009 at 5:52 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Sorry, but for some reason, my IT dept shut all blogs down yesterday…
Anyways…
Good Morning AM Crew…you know who you are…
4eva, you think Mitchell will perform like the legendary #32? Seen youtube highlights of him. Kid can hit…so…
April 29th, 2009 at 5:52 am
4eva me too love my nieces and nephews just cracking.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:54 am
=)
April 29th, 2009 at 5:55 am
or I found a new smiley face
:=)
April 29th, 2009 at 5:56 am
DHB was going in the 1rd so not such a stretch at 7# but I really love the Mitchell pick are D has lacked real hitting and intimidation and guys who make plays let’s strap the helmets on & start hitting guys the Raider way!!!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 5:56 am
Morning Hwnrdr!!! Hells Yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 5:57 am
NoMoreFargas Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:56 am
DHB was going in the 1rd so not such a stretch at 7# but I really love the Mitchell pick are D has lacked real hitting and intimidation and guys who make plays let’s strap the helmets on & start hitting guys the Raider way!!!!!!
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 5:59 am
Damm this is the STRONGEST Koolaid I ever made
April 29th, 2009 at 6:00 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S, GOOD 2 C YOUR POST HWNDR, 4EVA , NOMOREFARGAS, ALL OF THE AM-CREW,IS THERE NOT AN O.T.A. SHORTLY 4 ROOKIES AND FREE-AGENTS ?
April 29th, 2009 at 6:07 am
???
April 29th, 2009 at 6:12 am
The Raiders signed defensive lineman Jonathan Compas, according to the U.C. Davis Web site.
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offensive guard Jonathan Compas signed with the Oakland Raiders, it was announced on Monday.
He earned All-America and All-Great West Conference honors for the Aggies during the 2008 season while also serving as a team captain.
Compas earned a trio of All-Conference first-team accolades while adding All-Amercica awards from the Associated Press and the Sports Network. Compas, who was also a three-time Academic All-Conference honoree and was named last week to the National Football Foundation Hampshire Honor Society, was a mainstay on the line for the Aggies, starting all 40 games he played including his final 34.
Jerry: He’s a guard, not a D-Lineman!
April 29th, 2009 at 6:13 am
good morning Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, 4eva, NMF, exla …
April 29th, 2009 at 6:14 am
Dirt Lot,
I think there is, whether they sign or not. Remember Russell participated in all of them until training camp. The season’s getting closer!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 6:14 am
In reading tuesday’s transcript a couple of good points were made about the receiving core. First, we have no veterans except Walker who is suspect at best and not the best example for young receivers to follow. He is in the same mold as Moss and Porter two other prima donnas that we failed with. Secondly, we have an unproven wide receivers coach in Sanja Lay. Thirdly Al seems to think that speed is moe important than the ability to catch the FOOTBALL! This combination could spell disaster for our passing game. Now when you throw in JRuss’ struggling (due to the hold out, poor coaching, a during the season change in Head coach, acuuracy problems and a poor receiving corps that cant hold on to the football} and another change in coaches it doesnt look good. Which again begs the question: Why draft a receiver so early? Although i have no choice but to roll with it and support our squad it still perplexes me. That being said its still hard to answer the Howard-Bey vs Crabtree question. In my opinion Crabtree has Prima Donna written all over him in the Moss/PorterWalker mold but he can for sure catch the football. Howard-Bey according to reports is not all that sure handed a pass catcher but does not appear to be a another problem child receiver. But just as in business there is always a bottom line and that is production. If you cant catch the football consistently then you are of no use to the team come game day even if you are a good teamate/person. So we shall see how this all pans out but in the future Mr. Davis please make the ability to consistently catch the football a priority when selecting a receiver
April 29th, 2009 at 6:16 am
Jerry better be careful with you around Rockstar.Seems 2 me you ALWAYS have the breaking news 1st,and it’s CORRECT info
April 29th, 2009 at 6:16 am
GOOD DAY ROCKSTAR,..
April 29th, 2009 at 6:18 am
4evaRaider Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:48 am
16yearsold16yearfan Says:
April 28th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
me and my mom are going to the opening game this year might see some of you guys ill be the black kid in the wheelchair with dreads
======================================================= I will look for you my friend
April 29th, 2009 at 6:19 am
losses:
Curry – Lions
Griffith – Seahawks
Grove – Dolphins
Wilson – Dolphins
Baker – Eagles
Thomas – Redskins
Hall – Redskins
Harris, Lelie, Carter, Tui, Edwards, Wakefield and Waddell remain unsigned.
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what do you guys think? addition by subtraction?
did I forget anyone?
April 29th, 2009 at 6:22 am
Jerry better be careful with you around Rockstar.Seems 2 me you ALWAYS have the breaking news 1st,and it’s CORRECT info
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maybe that’s why he didn’t answer any of my questions during the live chat!?
…yet he still found time to answer 50 questions about DHB being considered a “reach” and if the comments by media numbskulls were fair or appropriate.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:25 am
I don’t want to cheapen the loss at sea of Marquis Cooper by including him in a sports category when so much more was lost than a football player).
Great line Jerry
The key loss is an addition by subtraction in my mind and that is Rob Ryan to the Browns. Time will tell if this is a good loss.
In the 5 or 6 years he was in Oakland the D pretty much stunk. Couldn’t stop the run, couldn’t get off the field on 3rd down, and hardly ever made a stop when it counts. Some could say it was the players or owners fault but when you have that amount of time to correct it and keep having the same results I say the coach is to blame. Best of luck Rob, but no tears were shed here.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:26 am
BestCoast,I havent seen all the film on BOMB-BEY but he looks 2 have very good hands 2 me,imo
April 29th, 2009 at 6:28 am
fix the site please Jerry
April 29th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Jerry’s afraid of Rockstar~~~~~Jerrys afraid of~~~Rockstar
April 29th, 2009 at 6:32 am
I agree Dru_Oleskool
April 29th, 2009 at 6:32 am
When final cuts are made some 80’s numbers will be available so I would hold off buying a #12 jersy until training camp concludes.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:33 am
why would they delete a comment like
24 made up the name BOMB-BEY and I likes it
April 29th, 2009 at 6:33 am
I don’t care how bad people think about this draft nothing could ever come close to the awful fa signing of walker,wilson and the worst trade ever dhall for a 2rd pick and dough for a undersized overated loud mouth . I look forward to walker being cut we don’t need his poison around the young wr.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:35 am
HOPE I AM ALLOWED TO ASK, HOW IS YOUR MOTHER ?
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Dirt Lot: not so good man, thanks for asking though
you’re a classy guy DLF
April 29th, 2009 at 6:36 am
PREACH IT NOMOREFARGAS..
April 29th, 2009 at 6:39 am
I agree with Dru_oleskool as well.
Marshall, Board & Haluchek from Seattle should be a HUGE upgrade over Ryan, Millard & Martindale!
Cable, Tollner & Hackett have LOADS more experience and success than Kiffin, Knapp & Defillipo as well…
April 29th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Whew…looks like IT is at it again. On crackberry time now.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:42 am
yep things are REALLY looking up this year,not 2B mistaken 4 the mistakes of years past.Big Al has adjusted and done it very well,imo
April 29th, 2009 at 6:47 am
The Raiders signed Boise State tight end Chris O’Neill, the school announced on its website.
Also, they reportedly gave a contract to Southern Utah wide receiver Nick Miller, according to that school’s website.
One day, perhaps the Raiders will let their own website make similar announcements. In time.
O’Neill had 21 catches for 254 yards and three touchdowns before breaking his foot last season.
A Moraga native, O’Neill went to Miramonte High.
Miller (5-9, 175) is a Michigan State transfer who led the nation in all-purpose yards last season. He broke his own school record with 993 yards on 43 kick returns and caught 55 passes for 763 yards and three touchdowns.
Most telling, he ran a sub-4.3-second 40 at his pro day, according to his school’s website.
“I’m excited,” Miller said at the said website. “It’s a dream come true for me. The Raiders love speed, they don’t care about size as much as speed. They like to throw the ball and stretch the field, which is perfect for me since those are my biggest strengths: my speed and my ability to get down the field. I still have to go try out and make the team, but this is the first step.”
The Raiders also signed UC-Davis offensive guard Jonathan Compas, per the school website (thanks to UCD for emailing the link).
Compas was named All-Big West Conference three times and All-America once (the Football Championship Subdivision, I think it is, used to be Division II). He was also a three-time academic all-conference guy, so there goes the dumb lineman stereotype.
Listed as 6-3, 298 pounds, he is the first known offensive lineman signed by the Raiders, as far as rookies go. They did not draft one over the weekend.
As for the other UFAs, they are Harvard defensive tackle Desmond Bryant, Florida Atlantic middle linebacker Frantz Joseph, BYU linebacker David Nixon and Kent State receiver Shawn Bayes.
-David White (SF Chronicle)
April 29th, 2009 at 6:53 am
NO NEED TO WATCH ANY MORE DRAFTS, FASTEST PLAYER OUT OF THE COMBINE, PUT IT IN STONE..
April 29th, 2009 at 6:56 am
DIRT-LOT, remember when free agency meant get the MVP of SB?
April 29th, 2009 at 6:58 am
4evaRaider, have you the term “confused as as a baby in a t!tty bar?”
April 29th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Super Bowl MVPs
Super Bowl I QB Bart Starr Green Bay
Super Bowl II QB Bart Starr Green Bay
Super Bowl III QB Joe Namath N.Y. Jets
Super Bowl IV QB Len Dawson Kansas City
Super Bowl V LB Chuck Howley Dallas
Super Bowl VI QB Roger Staubach Dallas
Super Bowl VII S Jake Scott Miami
Super Bowl VIII RB Larry Csonka Miami
Super Bowl IX RB Franco Harris Pittsburgh
Super Bowl X WR Lynn Swann Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XI WR Fred Biletnikoff Oakland
Super Bowl XII DT
DE Randy White
Harvey Martin Dallas
Dallas
Super Bowl XIII QB Terry Bradshaw Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XIV QB Terry Bradshaw Pittsburgh
Super Bowl XV QB Jim Plunkett Oakland
Super Bowl XVI QB Joe Montana San Francisco
Super Bowl XVII RB John Riggins Washington
Super Bowl XVIII RB Marcus Allen L.A. Raiders
Super Bowl XIX QB Joe Montana San Francisco
Super Bowl XX DE Richard Dent Chicago
Super Bowl XXI QB Phil Simms NY Giants
Super Bowl XXII QB Doug Williams Washington
Super Bowl XXIII WR Jerry Rice San Francisco
Super Bowl XXIV QB Joe Montana San Francisco
Super Bowl XXV RB Ottis Anderson NY Giants
Super Bowl XXVI QB Mark Rypien Washington
Super Bowl XXVII QB Troy Aikman Dallas
Super Bowl XXVIII RB Emmitt Smith Dallas
Super Bowl XXIX QB Steve Young San Francisco
Super Bowl XXX CB Larry Brown Dallas
Super Bowl XXXI KR Desmond Howard Green Bay
Super Bowl XXXII RB Terrell Davis Denver
Super Bowl XXXIII QB John Elway Denver
Super Bowl XXXIV QB Kurt Warner St. Louis
Super Bowl XXXV LB Ray Lewis Baltimore
Super Bowl XXXVI QB Tom Brady New England
Super Bowl XXXVII S Dexter Jackson Tampa Bay
Super Bowl XXXVIII QB Tom Brady New England Patriots
Super Bowl XXXIX WR Deion Branch New England Patriots
Super Bowl XL WR Hines Ward Pittsburgh Steelers
Super Bowl XLI QB Peyton Manning Indianapolis Colts
Super Bowl XLII QB Eli Manning New York Giants
April 29th, 2009 at 7:01 am
yep that would make 4 a great team
April 29th, 2009 at 7:04 am
WTF does Jerry mean by “freelancing”? Writing a screenplay for Bad News Bears IV???
I like the Bomb Bey nick, but I also like DBey (I imagine a knockoff of the Ebay logo).
For some reason I knew Al (owner of a team from ALameda) couldn’t resist a player with both Hayward and Bay (sic) in his name. It’s basically the same rule that requires us to draft every player named Napolean.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:04 am
RaiderTW Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:39 am
North Dakota woman accused of breast-feeding while drunk
A police report says Stacey Anvarinia was charged after officers responding to a domestic disturbance call found her breast-feeding her 6-week-old child while drunk.
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A friend of yours Dakota?
And Dakota’s wife is in San Deigo hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
April 29th, 2009 at 7:05 am
remember when free agency meant get the MVP of SB?
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safety Dexter Jackson is available.
I’m sure Al Davis remembers him well
April 29th, 2009 at 7:05 am
4eva: you could put Mike Vick as center…. Think his played there the last couple years lol
April 29th, 2009 at 7:14 am
that works 4 me R8rpaver,Vick at center and my pitt-bull at QB :=)
April 29th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Gibril is our key loss, IMO. It would be nice to have him around to teach Branch and Mitchell a little about the NFL.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Report: Owner of arena team upset about Vick stunt
The owner of a minor league football team that offered Michael Vick a contract told a newspaper he didn’t know about the publicity stunt and would not have approved it.
“I’m a dog lover and I don’t want anything to do with (Vick),” Albany Firebirds owner Walter Robb told The Times Union for a story posted on its Web site Tuesday night.
Earlier in the day, the team an arenafootball2 franchise, announced it had offered the 28-year-old quarterback a one-year contract at the league standard: $200 a week plus a $50 bonus for a win.
“That’s a joke,” Robb said. “Can you imagine him playing for $200 a week? I think (the offer) was a big mistake.”
The announcement was later pulled from the team’s Web site.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:16 am
As I watch TV and listen to comments about our draft, I laughed at first, but now it makes me kind of sick. It is obvious that people have not seen “Hey-Bay-Bay” or Mike Mitchell. The comments are reducing about Mitchell, so I can only guess people are starting to see his You Tube video. Heyward-Bey is being said to have all speed, and no or unreliable hands- why? Because the media said it. Be logical – he, by most accounts was the “third best WR in the draft”. He was going first round. He was shut out of some games in college – why? Because he was “double and triple teamed”. We are close to comparing him to James Jett or Rocket Ismail because the Raider-hating media said so, but the last time I checked, Jett or Ismail was never double teamed.
If he would have gone to the Giants, it would have been a great pick. And as far as the value picks, it only has value if it is a value to your team. Janokowski and Lechler were jokes in the ‘00 draft. Jano could have been picked later than 17. Non value pick. Here we are, almost a decade later, with both: One leads the league in touchbacks, the other is an all pro punter. They have at least 5 or 6 years left in them. 15 years? Now that’s VALUE! I won’t even talk about Nnamdi, it’s been done to death. But, remember Al Davis has lost it.
And about size and speed…speed is relative. Some people clock in at a slow number, but if you put 15 pounds of pads on and a ferocious LB in their face, their speed increases. This is called “football speed”. Jerry Rice clocked in at 4.6, but his “football speed was about 4.2, once he caught the ball, you were not chasing him down; on the other hand when do you ever remember Jett breaking away on a slant?
April 29th, 2009 at 7:17 am
The thing I love about DHB’s speed is that not only does he have the fastest 40 yard time (4.30), but he also had the best 10 yard and 20 yard splits at the combine.
DHB’s 10 yard split was 1.44 and his 20 yard split was 2.50.
That kind of explosion at 6′2 210 is amazing, just think about it, count 2.5 seconds and DHB is already 20 yards down the field.
Here’s something about the importance of 10 and 20 yard split times:
- The 10 yard split:
“One of the most important and consistently overlooked measurements at the Combine is the first 10 yards of the 40, known as the 10-yard split.
This is simply a measurement to see how fast a prospect can cover 10 yards. It’s great to see how fast someone can run 40 yards, but how often in an NFL game are players required to cover that distance on one play? A more reasonable measurement, and a better indicator of “football speed,” is 10 yards.
A 10-yard split measures the short-area burst of an NFL prospect and allows scouts to determine if the prospect is a two-stepper (a player who can get up to full speed in two steps) or a strider (a player who needs to hit full stride to reach his top speed).
Since football players as a whole are consistently forced to explode in and out of their breaks throughout the game, short-area explosion is a pivotal reflection of a player’s overall “football speed.”
- The 20 yard split:
“All the agility and speed drills are vital to wide receivers. While the 40-yard dash is considered an effective measuring stick, the 20-yard split can provide a better indication of a receiver’s ability to gain separation from defensive backs off the line of scrimmage.”
Of course, those times were recorded without DHB having a CB in his face, but with his size, long arms and some technique work, it won’t be easy to jam him and not many CB’s are gonna take that chance because if they miss, he’s gone and they’re not catching him, so if you’re gonna press him you’ll probably need to keep Safety back there in case he breaks free.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Cable, Tollner & Hackett have LOADS more experience and success than Kiffin, Knapp & Defillipo as well…
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Never a big kid kiffie fan or Defillipo but Knap was super usefull and a run game genious..and as mentioned above losing opur SP coach stings abit….
Morning Nation,
Whats good double R?
you think frantz makes the roster looks alot like morrison size/speed but man he can get off the blocks this kid eats linemen for lunch!!
April 29th, 2009 at 7:23 am
hey thankx Bob Marley,I never heard of those splits.Must say it’s logical!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 7:26 am
Dhb needs to be a workout freak like Rice not just muscles but endurance , Rice may have only run a 4.6 but he ran as fast in the 4qt as he did in the 1qt and he went full tilt everyplay. Where is that hill Rice used run all the time somewhere in the bay area.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Hey Double R,
you are always on point with the FA action..any action for that matter what is the main source of your info beings our web site sucks & BSPN is just that?? Nice post on TE from Boise!! Thanks brother!!
April 29th, 2009 at 7:32 am
yep,we have come 2 depend on Rockstar!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 7:32 am
Jerry: tell your I.T guys to change the hamsters down stairs the server sucks
April 29th, 2009 at 7:34 am
you think frantz makes the roster looks alot like morrison size/speed but man he can get off the blocks this kid eats linemen for lunch!!
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I’d love for him to beat out Alston & Williams for a roster spot, but in order to do that he’s also gonna have to be a beast on special teams. tough task for a guy who lacks speed imo
April 29th, 2009 at 7:36 am
good morning OAKlifer.
Thanks for the props guys. just trying to keep everyone informed
April 29th, 2009 at 7:51 am
JERRY, You don’t have Tivo???
Saw Papa’s show last night…
Bey seems like a good kid…very polite, head on straight…works hard…
I think he’ll be fine…
April 29th, 2009 at 7:53 am
I would lile 2C Howard,Joseph,Morrison and Norris on the field.Still dunno who I would put on the line tho.Bryant,Sands and Kelly???
April 29th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Bryant Kelly and Scott or Nessy???
April 29th, 2009 at 7:55 am
I’m pumped I can’t wait for this season guys! I also like some of these FA’s we’ve signed since the draft.
I would also like to say that this crew is a heck of a lot cooler to read posts from then some of the other ones who post on a constant basis.
Finally some fans I agree with!
April 29th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Scott,Bryant,Nessy
April 29th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Thankx from all the AM crew Raiderjhawk.We REALLY have a good time and respect everyones opinion
April 29th, 2009 at 8:04 am
Marley,
Great breakdown of the splits…
Just wish they would run the 40 time in pads and cleats…a better indicator of Football Speed…
April 29th, 2009 at 8:05 am
and I agree on these F/A Hawk.Hopefully Bryant is the DT we sooooo desperately need
April 29th, 2009 at 8:06 am
Now who are we gonna get at the FB position, anyone out there worth a hoot?
April 29th, 2009 at 8:07 am
I think the Defense will look like this …
DE Burgess/Scott
DT Kelly/Joseph
DT Warren/Sands
DE Shaughnessy/Richardson
OLB Brown/Sulak
MLB Morrison/Ekejiuba
OLB Howard/Norris
CB Asomugha/Routt
FS Huff/Eugene
SS Mitchell/Branch
CB Johnson/Bowie
April 29th, 2009 at 8:10 am
dhb seems to have a good attitude crabtree is going to be a problem you can just tell. hopefully with his attitude dhb will be able to learn fast and dedicate himself well. no matter what he is now a raider and we the nation should support him
April 29th, 2009 at 8:13 am
I hope I speak 4 all but…
The Nation LOVES DHB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 8:15 am
this site is having MAJOR problems today …
April 29th, 2009 at 8:18 am
he will always remember the raiders taking him at #7 and all the grief we got. when he becomes a superstar he will remember and will be loyal. i have drank the kool-aid and its good LONG LIVE THE NATION
April 29th, 2009 at 8:19 am
I think the Offense will look like this …
QB Russell/Garcia
RB McFadden/Bush
FB Lawton/Rookie ***
WR Walker/Schilens
WR DHB/Higgins
TE Miller/Myers
LT Barnes/Henderson
LG Gallery/McQuistan
C Satele/Wade
RG Carlisle/Johnson
RT Henderson/Green/Pears
*** Oren O’Neal is injured
April 29th, 2009 at 8:27 am
hello?
April 29th, 2009 at 8:30 am
DHB had 4 QB’s in 3 years. So did former pro bowler Braylon Edwards in Cleveland
both have the label “Inconsistent hands”
Interesting!
do you guys think this has anything to do with the chemistry between the QB and his WR’s and how important that is?
April 29th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Marley Esq.,
very nice post about 10 and 20 yard splits.
Cable better be right about his existing O-lineman being able to tango ’cause otherwise all “splits” are off.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:41 am
RR they said Rice worked extra practices with young when he took over because he said he had to get use to the left handed spin so who knows but I hope dhb and jruss get know each other real well. Look how manning and harrison knew each other every move and same with berry and johnny u so chemistry is big.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Rockstar
DHBey said he wanted to get to camp on time to begin working with The Big Franchise. Chemistry should develop whether it is deemed important or not.
make it 5 QBs in 4 years for the WR. Bet he never had to catch passes that’ll be on him so quickly and with such force. That alone is a great reason for DHBey to get in there and start working with JRuss in lengthy sessions.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:47 am
M Lone Tree – You are 100% correct. Our season will depend on whether Cable was right with the current group or not. DHB and the rest of crew will not mean anything unless Henderson/Barnes/Satele can play.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:48 am
M Lonetree Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Rockstar
DHBey said he wanted to get to camp on time to begin working with The Big Franchise. Chemistry should develop whether it is deemed important or not.
make it 5 QBs in 4 years for the WR. Bet he never had to catch passes that’ll be on him so quickly and with such force. That alone is a great reason for DHBey to get in there and start working with JRuss in lengthy sessions.
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Or DHB having to wait for the underthrown pass…look at his highlights and I dont see one where the ball is ahead of him. It is always him waiting for hit and jumping for it. Russell will just need to jack up and let it fly.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Sup NATION???
April 29th, 2009 at 9:00 am
# Raider O Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:31 am
LMN,
Meetings was the worst part of my job. I hate working with others, I work better and faster alone. I’m working on my degree in Finance, but I don’t think I will use It for a career.
I like selling cars too much, buying them, fixing them, and then selling them.
I like to go the day before, look at them, price them, make a plan, and then go to the Auction the next day to buy. Sometimes you get what you want, and others you lose the car you want due to price.
Now I know why I like the draft so much!! It’s like my work. lol
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I totally get you!
this meeting too 4!!!!! hours….
I have to know what the big clients needs are, sot we can plan ahead.. when they have cargo gong to 4 ports, and time is the essence, I need to plan how the containers gets o the ship so they get their stuff the fastest, and meanwhile the balance on the ship is the primary factor…
so these meetings are essential..
April 29th, 2009 at 9:00 am
hey 408 me and Cohleen were just talking about YOU
April 29th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Alisgod
You trust our season in the hands of Henderson/Barnes/Satele?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:02 am
4eva
good or bad?? =)
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Yo LMN… My sharks got beatdown… =(
April 29th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Hey 408 rock on man!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 9:04 am
# 408RAIDER Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 9:02 am
4eva
good or bad?? =)
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Yo LMN… My sharks got beatdown… =(
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dammit! I thought they were going to win it all…
Brondby just started the 2nd leg in the semifinals of the Danish Cup…
April 29th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Or DHB having to wait for the underthrown pass…
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I noticed that about Russell too. For such a big guy he always throws the shorter passes at his targets feet. Makes it hard to get YAC that way … instead of running and catching the ball in stride the WR has to stop, reach way down at his feet to grab it, then get ready for the wallop.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:06 am
666
will do…. I have the curse that every team I root 4 goes down in flames….
April 29th, 2009 at 9:07 am
you know it’s the very best of good 408 :=)
April 29th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Mike Mayock and the rest of the ESPN Crew did not know much about Mitchell, so no team would consider picking this kid that high in the draft, would they? It would be a crazy man’s call without the so-called experts that walk on water’s OK.
Never mind Mayock admitted not ever watching any film on the kid. Mayock walks on water and does not need to see the kid play in order to put a grade on the kid.
Never mind that the Chicago Bears had Mitchell targeted with their 49th pick per the story in the Chicago Tribune. Once the Raiders selected Mitchell, the Bears traded out of the 49th pick. Wow, the Bears did not rank any of Mayock’s players still available as a value at that spot?
Never mind the Dallas Cowboys wanted Mitchell in round two and traded out after the Raiders took Mitchell. The Cowboys stated that the player they wanted was taken at the Raiders’ spot and also traded out.
Never mind that the Green Bay Packers, Colts, Texans, and others had Mitchell in for a visit. The “experts” that did not have a clue on this kid were thrown for a loop, and they did not like it.
The Raiders got the safety that they wanted from the get-go by trading down in round two, two spots before he would have come off the board. Looks like value to me if that is your player.
This whole time you have Jon Gruden just sitting there listening to the debate. But if you looked closely, you can see that Gruden has something on his mind.
Then Gruden speaks, and using his hands and arms for effect, he outlines the shape of the globe as he says, “Let me tell you this—the Oakland Raiders are global and have fans all over the world. I have been to Europe, and you see Oakland Raiders gear all over the world. And I can tell you this, I was a Raider. Al Davis could care less about what any of us think or say up here, and that I can promise you.”
Raider 4 life, let’s get Gruden back in here as a GM
April 29th, 2009 at 9:08 am
you know it Rockstar,Jmac MUST correct those feet passes
April 29th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Hey-Bay and Mitchell will make the team based on where they were picked but the rest depends on the coaching and the value the coaches place on these kids. Needless to say first year rookies drafted in the later rounds and walk ons need to really impress to make the 53 man roster. Players on the practice squad can be stolen so I hope the coaches make the right decisions.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:09 am
DHB and the rest of crew will not mean anything unless Henderson/Barnes/Satele can play.
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I agree. If these three players aren’t any better than Harris, Green & Grove than we’ve basically wasted the season due to Cable’s “hunch” that he could polish a turd and make it shine in his system under his coaching…
April 29th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Players on the practice squad can be stolen so I hope the coaches make the right decisions.
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All these undrafted kids will likely be practice squad candidates
April 29th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Morning RRS
lest give Cable a chance to do his thing.. I agree harris was a POS but our oline play has improved since cable took over..
April 29th, 2009 at 9:13 am
408RAIDER Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 9:06 am
666
will do…. I have the curse that every team I root 4 goes down in flames….
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Try an experiment,408, this year root for the Chargers & the Republicans! lol
April 29th, 2009 at 9:14 am
408 did you shave yet?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:15 am
I never put much credence to any of the Anti-Raider media.
It’s why we are Raider fans, we don’t give a F what anyone thinks.
This being said I truly believe we missed out not Getting Rey Rey.
Will DHB help us? I hope so,
Will I have his back? Damn straight
Was he a reach? Time will tell.
It’s too bad Uncle Al won’t touch anything USC because of Lance…and now Tenn as well.
But watching SC play every week, and seeing what a beast Rey Rey is, he was born to be a Raider.
Sometimes you draft quality over quantity.
I don’t know how we expect to stop the run with the same front 7. Yes “R Prevent R” is gone but….who is the crazy, fire em up leader? who will be trying to tear LT’s head off? Our #2? Maybe, I hope so. But remember one thing..no one has actually seen him play.
Go Raiders
April 29th, 2009 at 9:16 am
TW
LOL.. cant root 4 the chokers ever.. ok maybe if theyre playing the donkeys maybe….
April 29th, 2009 at 9:16 am
408 could NEVER do that
April 29th, 2009 at 9:18 am
R8rpaver
yeah… I was 1 hairy MoFo… Damn Sharks!!!!!
GO Brondby!!! LOL
April 29th, 2009 at 9:20 am
I hope DHB balls out…. and crabface is a lil b1tch hating on our Beloved RAIDERS…
April 29th, 2009 at 9:26 am
You guys in No-Cal need to give crabman a “Jevon style”
welcome to Cali….
April 29th, 2009 at 9:29 am
What the Raiders lost this offseason was the opportunity to improve.
The tackle situation is still bleak.
The D-line and LB situations are still bleak.
They traded an aging Ashley Lelie for a rookie version.
They bypassed football players for 40 times.
The fanbase also lost the illusion of Tom Cable having any pull. This draft was completely Al Davis, and only someone in complete denial would say otherwise. Cable is officially a sock puppet.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:32 am
It’s hard to not like DHB’s atitude. He seems like he jibes with the Cable’s changing culture. Another player with a positive vibe. He’ll put in the work, let’s just hope he has enough natural ability.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:33 am
whats up with the dattabase error???
April 29th, 2009 at 9:41 am
looks like that dumb-azz bird brain is here again.There goes the web-site
April 29th, 2009 at 9:44 am
408RAIDER Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 9:16 am
TW
LOL.. cant root 4 the chokers ever.. ok maybe if theyre playing the donkeys maybe….
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When I watch any other AFC West games, all I want to see is injuries, and ah um, injuries. Not the cereer ending type, but the IR type anyway.
I can see it now… Oren O’s hat right on the knee of Shawn MerrROID… BOOM out for another year.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:47 am
#139
“Ding” “Ding”
You hit the nail on the head!!
You get 1,000 points for your correct answer.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Crow Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 9:29 am
What the Raiders lost this offseason was the opportunity to improve.
The tackle situation is still bleak.
The D-line and LB situations are still bleak.
They traded an aging Ashley Lelie for a rookie version.
They bypassed football players for 40 times.
The fanbase also lost the illusion of Tom Cable having any pull. This draft was completely Al Davis, and only someone in complete denial would say otherwise. Cable is officially a sock puppet.
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Tackel situation addressed! we have the best line coach in the NFL as our HC sure he whiffed on the harris call but we didnt take long to admit it and cut ties!!
D-line/lb addrssed!! it was called firing Rob Ryan guys cant play out of postion all the time and be expected to make plays…Although I will give you this our frint line better step the F up or we are in trouble but lets see what a real coordinator can do b4 we pass judgement!!
Ashley Lelie………Sheilds has more talent and speed then Lelie ever had….Lelie was a product of a system Hawawii…i.e. (colt brennan) stats look goood but only in that system…. and I know you r not talking bout BEY-area that way BEY > Lelie…anyday!!
They bypassed football players for 40 times…..
Had to laugh at this one this was the only year Ive seenus bring in real footballers.. Attitude goes a long way in winning games and we drafted fast football guys…not broken wheeled big mouthed over wheight pot smoking primadonnas who want to cash in and party in vegas!!! This was a GREAT draft in terms of attitude heart and talent…Dnt bye in to the hype this was a GREAT draft!!! these are the types of drafts that help teams get better…Sure we could have had the flashy WR pick or someother kid who has never taken one NFL snap with an attitdue but we drafted the players Cble and Davis think will help this team improve!!!
OPEN your MIND!!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 9:53 am
The last time we had a winning season we had a QB with a weak arm, two slow receivers, a small Rb, two lines full of vets with an attitude, over the hill Lbs, and a safety that culdn’t hit (Rod Wood). We were not team built on size-speed ratios, it was a team built with hard workers and winners …Why the hell does Al think doing complete 180 on personnel decisions will get us the same result?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:00 am
hey 408 Cohleen is gonna download cLUTCH 4 me right now!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:01 am
They bypassed football players for 40 times.
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Heck Frantz UDFA and Mike Mitchell “reach of the century..lol” May have been some of the more complete FOOTBALL players in this draft. When you combine every thing it takes to be a Professional..Attitude Heart Passion along with speed athlecticsism and I garuntee tee guys like crabbs only posses one or two of those qualities sure as hell aint the first three….evident by the huge sigh of relive from his camp…if this kid really wanted to play and make a difference he woiuld have been happy to go anywhere……just sayin
April 29th, 2009 at 10:02 am
OAKlifer
Pull your head out of Al Davises rump.
Then try an open your mind!
We addressed the O-Line this year just like we addressed the O-Line last year (Barnes = Harris part 2).
If you really think that D-Line will improve this year then you are drunk on Kool Aid.
Welcome to another year of being 31st against the run.
What does that have to do with an open mind?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:04 am
The battles are won and lost in the trenches and if you think they are not then its time for you to start watching another sport or shut up.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:04 am
4eva
right on.. my favorite song is spacegrass but the whole album is good IMO…
April 29th, 2009 at 10:07 am
The biggest lose was our biggest gain in Rob Ryan leaving. His use of talent on defense was mind boggling . He never used the speed at linebacker to our advantage i.e. blitzing Howard more . And having Hall play ten yrds off the line. I think Marshall will be more aggressive and play to our strengths more than our weaknesses.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Lynn from Snot
But did we do anything to improve our run defense is all I am asking?
I agree that RR was a problem but just how much change will we see in Marshall just what will Big AL let him do differently than RR?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:12 am
If you really think that D-Line will improve this year then you are drunk on Kool Aid.
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I beleive this was my statement…”Although I will give you this our frint line better step the F up or we are in trouble but lets see what a real coordinator can do b4 we pass judgement!!” and yes being coached properly is a HUGE reason we winor lose games maybe you should pull your head out I see your valid points as I gave credit for…but to say we didnt draft footballers and only draft for 40 times is uneducated
every team drafts based on measureables size speed ect or else why even do the combine Speed is a factor BUT so is HEAR and ATTITUDE…
I played My whole Carrer in the “trenches” and Im well aware how to win OR lose ballgames. We have one of the best line coaches of all time..IMO as our head coach if he cant get production out of our O-line the yes maybe its time to scrap ‘em…Harris IS and WAS a bust henerson is good gallery good barnes good stale good ….
April 29th, 2009 at 10:13 am
post 146
That team was built for one last push for the superbowl and it worked but , that was their last run most were nearing retirement. We eventually had to rebuild instead of reload.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Lynn from Snot Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:13 am
post 146
That team was built for one last push for the superbowl and it worked but , that was their last run most were nearing retirement. We eventually had to rebuild instead of reload.
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Plus the talent pool was great…Gannon Romo Rice rod wood. now we have plummer hartwell toomer roy wiilaims..not enough talent to go that route!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Beast,
The only pick I was happy with on defense was the safety. My hope is Kelly is healed and has a comeback year and we pick up through FA another tackle for depth on the D line. After DHB i would have gone all Defensive line and secondary but I don’t have a say.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:20 am
OAKlifer
Satele was let go by Parcells you have to ask yourself WHY?? Because he couldn’t handle the big NT’s that he faced in that division.
Sure Henderson played a few good games last year but can he do it all season?
Third year for Russell and the third different Center and LT. Not Good!!!
Sands is a below average player at best and Kelly better up his game this year or kiss 2009 goodbye.
Hoping that we are a better team next year with no improvements or upgrades to our D and O -line is kind of like hoping to win the lottery. Not very good odds.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Does not seem to be much talk of Gibril Wilson as a loss. He was not great, but he was a definite upgrade over the folks he replaced.
I could see how the position might be weaker, so it seems like a key loss to me. I realize he didn’t play up to his contract, but comparing him to Javon Walker seems silly.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Satele was not let go by Parcells, he was traded, big difference. And the fact he played with a bum shoulder most of the season didn’t help. Yet he started on a team that had a huge turn around
April 29th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Lynn I would have drafted this way…..
1st round Aaron Maybirn
2nd round Ron Brace
3rd round Mitchell
etc.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:27 am
SharkCatcher Says:
April 28th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
State tight end Chris O’Neil of Miramonte High School in Orinda.————————————– were getting high school players now>>>???
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Brand new WR coach Sanjay Lal coached WRs at Miramonte…
April 29th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Good morning Nation.
What a great day it’s to be a Raider.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Raiderwoj
Your kidding right?
Let go, traded, it all means being shipped out of town because they don’t think you have what it takes to play the position. So call it what you want (traded, let go etc.) if he was a complete, talented and physical player Parcells would have found a way to keep him in Miami period.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:29 am
# OAKlifer Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Tackel situation addressed! we have the best line coach in the NFL as our HC sure he whiffed on the harris call but we didnt take long to admit it and cut ties!!
D-line/lb addrssed!! it was called firing Rob Ryan guys cant play out of postion all the time and be expected to make plays…Although I will give you this our frint line better step the F up or we are in trouble but lets see what a real coordinator can do b4 we pass judgement!!
Ashley Lelie………Sheilds has more talent and speed then Lelie ever had….Lelie was a product of a system Hawawii…i.e. (colt brennan) stats look goood but only in that system…. and I know you r not talking bout BEY-area that way BEY > Lelie…anyday!!
They bypassed football players for 40 times…..
Had to laugh at this one this was the only year Ive seenus bring in real footballers.. Attitude goes a long way in winning games and we drafted fast football guys…not broken wheeled big mouthed over wheight pot smoking primadonnas who want to cash in and party in vegas!!! This was a GREAT draft in terms of attitude heart and talent…Dnt bye in to the hype this was a GREAT draft!!! these are the types of drafts that help teams get better…Sure we could have had the flashy WR pick or someother kid who has never taken one NFL snap with an attitdue but we drafted the players Cble and Davis think will help this team improve!!!
OPEN your MIND!!!!!
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This is the biggest pile of homer bullsh*t I’ve seen today. Kudos.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:30 am
408,
Glad to see you here, you were gone for a few days last week!!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:32 am
I know I am gonna get crap for even bringing this up, but since there is very little info out there for comparing players, this is as good as any:
Grove’s Madden Rating 83
Satele’s Madden Rating 88
The guy is only coming into his 3rd year in the league as well (still improving). Grove has been around for 5 years (just about plateau-ing). Satele for a 6th rounder, and getting rid of Jake Grove, will be our best move of the off-season when its all said and done.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:33 am
666,
Maybin!!A 245 DE!! Why??
I don’t get it bro.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Now that we know who was drafted when, this is how I would’ve used the Raiders’ 7 picks in hindsight:
1) Jeremy Maclin, WR, Missouri
2) Mike Mitchell, S, Ohio
3) Juaquin Iglesias, WR, Oklahoma
4) Jasper Brinkley, MLB, S. Carolina
4) Duke Robinson, G, Oklahoma
6) Zach Follet, OLB, California
6) Brandon Myers, TE, Iowa
Primary UFAs: Darry Beckwith, LB, LSU; Jon Cooper, C, Oklahoma or Dallas Reynolds, C, BYU; Frantz Joseph, LB, FAU.
Maualuga was my guy leading up to the draft and I’d still be tempted to take him at No. 7, but given the quality LBs from the 4th on (Brinkley, Follet, Beckwith and Joseph) I’d go elsewhere. Monroe would be an option there too but I know he has long-term health concerns. I’ll take Maclin over Crabtree because of Crabtree’s Mike Williams-like bust potential.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:34 am
BBB
I very much that you are correct!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:35 am
O
Thanx…. sometimes work gets in the way of my fix…
April 29th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Give Mike Mitchell a chance and #32
April 29th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Raider O
Trevor Scott DE 6-5 255
Same build, or not?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:38 am
SilverNBlack666 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Lynn I would have drafted this way…..
1st round Aaron Maybirn
2nd round Ron Brace
3rd round Mitchell
etc.
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We were on the clock when New England traded up with us and took Brace with our pick.
Some say Safety Mike Mitchell was being looked at by the Bears, but alot don’t realize Denver Safety took Darcel McBath the very next selection.
Sure, they got Dawkins in FA, but he’s got 13 yrs on him.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:38 am
BBB,
How can you even say that!!
Who cares about Madden!!
This is real football, not some video game!!!
Now,
Do you know if you can upload this rookie class to Madded 09??
I love Madden!!! You know!!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:38 am
LOL madden rating….
April 29th, 2009 at 10:38 am
Bird man and Beast,
I do drink the koolaid and I do Believe or else why be a fan why be optimistic….
I agree whole heartedly that our Dline needs to step the Fup like Iv said twice now. And Stale may not be a parcells guy but he is a little more athletic than grove..(upgrade imo)another center not good again I agree but these guys need to MAN the F up bottom line.
And I hope henerson can keep up the good work he is the type of player you are bitchin about draftin a LINEMAN we moveed up to get him gim him some time to devolop its not over nite and he’s doing a damn good job!! I agree tho ur missing the point THESE MEN neeed to step up but to say we are not trying to improve…is drinkin a little koolaid of your own we call it hateraide where im from tho……
April 29th, 2009 at 10:39 am
SilverNBlack666 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Raiderwoj
Your kidding right?
Let go, traded, it all means being shipped out of town because they don’t think you have what it takes to play the position. So call it what you want (traded, let go etc.) if he was a complete, talented and physical player Parcells would have found a way to keep him in Miami period
Same thing with Moss eh???
April 29th, 2009 at 10:39 am
167. Lets hope so…
April 29th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Maybirn at 7?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:41 am
did some1 say kool-aid??
April 29th, 2009 at 10:41 am
408RAIDER Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:38 am
LOL madden rating….
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You’re kidding right?
EA has the holy grail of access to the League teams and players. These stats are as accurate as these things can be…
April 29th, 2009 at 10:41 am
666,
Yes they are about the same size, and that’s why I’m surprised that you wanted another small situational pass rusher in the 1st?!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Laugh all you want, I knew I would take heat for the comment, but if you can come up with a legitimate source that refutes my claim that Satele is a better center than Jake Grove, please present it.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Correct to say our D would be better if our LB’s minded their gap responsibilites.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Triple 6,
Sorry I didnt bring up the madden rating for you to see some of my points…..All I was saying is all off season and thro the draft we ARE improving!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:44 am
666
Satele is an upgrade over Grove and Wade period. So if Parcels made such a great move by getting rid of him, that means it was a good move to get Grove right? Satele started 16 games(injured) for the 12th ranked O, and an 11-5 team, while Grove played 12 games for us, has had micro fracture surgery, and is always injured. But no upgraded there right?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:44 am
When can I upload this rookie class to Madden 09 on PS3, to you guys know?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:44 am
nnamdi
hey I roll with madden rating thats why I thought it was funny… Also thought it was cool that BBB had the stones to say it cuz we all know the experts (pfft!) in here will give him hell 4 it…
April 29th, 2009 at 10:46 am
RAIDER on BBB…..
April 29th, 2009 at 10:46 am
that is correct Nnamdi :=)
April 29th, 2009 at 10:46 am
BBB,
By the way bro, I was playing.
I love Madden, did you read the entire post? lol
April 29th, 2009 at 10:48 am
gap responsibilites.
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hmmmmm…. this helps!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:48 am
I know its kin da late but did every1 have a good 4-20????
April 29th, 2009 at 10:49 am
“I do drink the koolaid and I do Believe or else why be a fan why be optimistic….”
It is possible to be a fan without being a mindless drone homer. You know this, right?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Anyway, now that I got that out of my system I fully support the guys we drafted and hope they kick azz. DHB seems like a really cool dude. Hopefully it was the system and QBs that held him back a little at Maryland and he’ll rock it with JaMarcus throwing him the ball. Can’t believe we have to wait more than 4 months for the first real game.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Does anyone here knows how to upload this rookie class to Madden 09 on PS3??
April 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Thanks for the support fellas. We may not play better for real next season, but when I play Madden, the virtual Raiders are sure as sh*t better with Satele in there.
I think Jerry’s server has the swine flu…
April 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am
408RAIDER Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:48 am
I know its kin da late but did every1 have a good 4-20????
What??? 420 is over???
April 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am
408,
Only a bout a week late 408!!!!
You are killing me bro!!! lol
April 29th, 2009 at 10:51 am
fouuurrrr ohhhhhh eeeiigghhht……..
indeed cushalious…I miss those pittsburg grapes tho…….
April 29th, 2009 at 10:53 am
It is possible to be a fan without being a mindless drone homer. You know this, right?
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hating is hating….
April 29th, 2009 at 10:53 am
4eva,
LMAO,
So true
Still LMAO.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:53 am
My biggest concern is depth of tackles on the defensive line that still needs to be addressed the rotation of Sands Kelly Warren Joseph and Brochette needs an upgrade.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:54 am
4evaRaider
Who’s opinion do you trust more these days?
Al Davis himself and or with Kiffin (because that’s how Moss was traded)
Or Bill Parcells and a group of intelligent like minded people he has surrounded himself with?
Parcells took a 2 win team and turned them into a playoff team in one year.
Al Davis has taken a two win team and turned them into a 4 win team.
The proof is in the pudding people!!
Lynn I understand you may think its a reach at #7 but not as much as Hayward-Bey was at #7.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Raider O Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Does anyone here knows how to upload this rookie class to Madden 09 on PS3?
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I think ya have to have NCAA 09… At least that’s how it works on 360
April 29th, 2009 at 10:57 am
You know how you can always update the roster, if you update the roster now, would it show the rookies drafted??
April 29th, 2009 at 10:57 am
666,
I trust Tom Cable’s opinion on Zone Blocking much more than Bill Parcell’s. Parcell’s and Ireland got fleeced on this one, it happens.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:57 am
“It is possible to be a fan without being a mindless drone homer. You know this, right?”
You know its possible to be a fan even in the down years and not turn you back on the orginization and a n owner who has done more for this team and the sport of football then any one you;ve ever met in your life…unless you good buddies with lombardi or walsh (rip) Face it brother…I love my Raiders And Im all for improving the team Starting by cutting guys like Hall Walker harris wilson who either couldnt wouldnt or just plain didnt want to be here…and replaceing them with youong talent!!! with heart and soul and the fire to WIN…oh yes and fast 40 times!!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Lynn from my nose:
I agree 100% and don’t you find it interesting that we didn’t even draft one DT?
31st against the run.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:59 am
OAK
bay area grapes are the best IMO….
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O
LOL… hey Im on chicano time ok….
April 29th, 2009 at 11:00 am
666,
BB also drafted B Carpenter from OSU in the 1st when he was with cowgirls, but the kid never made the field except on ST. Also Satele may not fit in his scheme, but can be a great fit in hours.
BB is human too, so he can make mistakes.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:00 am
SilverNBlack666 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:54 am
4evaRaider
Who’s opinion do you trust more these days?
Al Davis himself and or with Kiffin (because that’s how Moss was traded)
Or Bill Parcells and a group of intelligent like minded people he has surrounded himself with?
Parcells took a 2 win team and turned them into a playoff team in one year.
Al Davis has taken a two win team and turned them into a 4 win team.
The proof is in the pudding people!!
Lynn I understand you may think its a reach at #7 but not as much as Hayward-Bey was at #7
S&B666 I think ANYBODY that would sign Grove 2 a 15 million dollar contract should have their head examined
April 29th, 2009 at 11:02 am
408…
I feel your pain :/….
did you see the pictures, btw?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Hend\Barnes Gallery Satele Carlisle\McQ Hend\Barnes
is this an upgrade compared to:
Harris Gallery Grove\Wade Carlisle Green
April 29th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Hend\Barnes Gallery Satele Carlisle\McQ Hend\Barnes
is this an upgrade compared to:
Harris Gallery Grove\Wade Carlisle Green
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Excatly!!!
AND
Joseph/sands/warren/bushetti
is an upgrade over
Joseph/sands/warren/bushetti/ROB RYAN
April 29th, 2009 at 11:07 am
BBB
It could happen(Ireland and Parcells making a bad decision) and I hope you are right because I would love nothing more than to lead the league in rushing yards in 2009!!
But odds are that our owner who doesn’t have a group of like minded people to share ideas with but instead acts alone is making poor decisions that are keeping us at a losing (4-12) average season for the last 6 years.
Facts are facts and the proof is in the pudding. Look at Atlanta after the Micheal Vick situation and then remember Parcells snubbed them for Miami its looked like Atlanta was going to be on the mend for a couple of years. But good front office decisions and some smart draft picks , free agency acquisitions have turned that team around very fast.
The question is if Miami and Atlanta can go from bottom dwellers to playoff contenders in one season why cant we.
The answer is Al Davis.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:08 am
cant comment….
LMN na I saw no pictures???? What pictures do you speak off???
April 29th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Raider O
Who is BB?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:09 am
666,
I agree with you with respect to all personnel on this roster except O-lineman. The O-line is all Tom Cable, and ultimately he made the call on Satele/Grove. From what I have seen of Grove in the last 5 years and everything I have heard about Satele, this was a smart play by Cable.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:10 am
SilverNBlack666 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Raider O
Who is BB?
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LOL…..
April 29th, 2009 at 11:12 am
4evaRaider
That is a strange signing isn’t it?
Grove 15M?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:12 am
408…
ohhh, its awaiting moderation…
Fukk you jerry, your connection is shyt and its not possible to communicate wen you automatic censoring everything…. you are one freaking step away from faczism!
If im a bit more cranky than usual its because my team just got robbed a victory in the semifinals!
April 29th, 2009 at 11:12 am
But odds are that our owner who doesn’t have a group of like minded people to share ideas with but instead acts alone is making poor decisions that are keeping us at a losing (4-12) average season for the last 6 years.
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He has a support group in place and its evident…smooth off-season no franchise tag crap no ASO walking no losing lechler…now we are drafting High motor/character guys to help us win its not like years past….but there is so much repressed aggression from “some” of us that even when we do start making strides its still considered malcontent…DAVIS WANTS TO WIN if yo dnt think so….you my friend are the one drunk of mas media koolaide!!
April 29th, 2009 at 11:13 am
408,
I don’t think you are in any time zone!!! Time doesn’t exist in your world bro. Your world is like a Black Hole, time and Matter done exist in it!!! lol
April 29th, 2009 at 11:14 am
BBB
I concur we have to trust cable with the O-line but Al didn’t show him any support but shying away from Monroe.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:14 am
LMAO @ 223 lmn….
April 29th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Sorry, BP, you know!!
April 29th, 2009 at 11:16 am
From DHB below:
Q: Lots of end around and reverses?
A: It was fun. We tried to get the ball to me in different ways. In the ACC, they do a great job of trying to stop your number 1 guy so I had a lot of brackets and a lot of double teams just to get me the handoff, a quick bubble screen, just to get me the ball was something I was able to do this past season.
^^^Lets hope Coach Cable and Lal coach this kid to be a COMPLETE WR and not just a deep threat.
I hope they try and get the ball to him in space whether it be a reverse, WR screen, a 10 yard curl route…on double moves, posts, slants, quick outs,,,,stop and go routes….everything!
I think DHB has the potential to be a bigger version of Reggie Wayne or he turn into Bernard Berrian.
I would rather see DHB develop into a Reggie Wayne, then a one dimensional Berrian.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Monroe may have been the best T in the draft but his ability to stay healthy was alway qestioned no?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Raider O Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:13 am
408,
I don’t think you are in any time zone!!! Time doesn’t exist in your world bro. Your world is like a Black Hole, time and Matter done exist in it!!! lol
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OKjust answer the question smart guy… Who is this BB of whom you speak???
April 29th, 2009 at 11:16 am
408,
lol
April 29th, 2009 at 11:16 am
OAKlifer
I agree Al wants to win but I also know that he is not going to do it in a conventional manner and I also know that at 80 years of age he is not the football genius he was at 50 or 60.
Not to mention that the game has changed a little since we last won a Super Bowl in 1984 you think?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Bill Parcells.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:18 am
BB, was a mistake.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:19 am
666,
Completely agree with post 233, But you have to admitt so far its been a little different off season sure the 40 times jump out at us but every thing else didnt seem like Al’s doing maybe his son Mark or timmy Brown or hell even amy trask is getting in his head…or Cable but thing are going differently in the front office..IMHO
April 29th, 2009 at 11:20 am
OAKlifer
What about Shaughnessy does he not have an past riddled with one injury after another.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:21 am
in a black hole time and matter is the same…
FUUUUUUKKKKKKKKKKKKKK…. I usually never moan about the refs, but man they negated our gamewinning goal in 92nd minute! bi1ches… I truly need to kill someone..
April 29th, 2009 at 11:22 am
408,
Matter doesn’t exist!!!
It could be solid now, apply some heat and you will enjoy the Gas!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 11:22 am
OAKlifer we both want wins and to get out of the damn cellar in the AFC West.
We can agree on that. So what has to happen to make that possible.
#1 stop the run.
#2 protect Russell (by running the ball more and giving him better pass rush protection)
#3 Special Teams
Can we agree on that at least?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:24 am
It cracks me up when Raiders “fans” slam other Raider fans for holding out hope for next season.
What kind of fan only expects their team to win 2 or 3 games next season?
It’s not like the Chargers finished with 14 wins, the Broncos finished with 10 wins and the Chiefs finished with 5 wins last year. 8-8 won the division!
We won 5 games last year despite MANY internal challenges.. why can’t we expect more wins now that those problems have been alleviated?
Since when did an optimist become labeled a moron?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:25 am
LMN
my I suggest Mark shlongface from NFL Live i cant stand that guy….
April 29th, 2009 at 11:26 am
666 dont be so doom and gloom bro. This offseason and the draft has been the best in years.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:27 am
I start every preseason thinking SB!!! call me a homer… emmmm beeeeer!
April 29th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Shaugnessy had injury problems, but he rarely missed games, just fought through minor stuff. I guess the coaching staff thinks they can bulk him up and avoid injuries by adding some bulk to his lower body.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:28 am
“Since when did an optimist become labeled a moron?”
If optimism was enough in life then you would spend your entire check on Lotto tickets expecting (optimistically) to win. (That’s when optimism is labeled Moronic)
Give it a try and let us know how that works out?
Al Davis has done nothing to improve our D-line but I will be an optimist and hope we are better against the run next year, then I will buy a lottery ticket.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Rock…people forget that it’s not how you start it is about how you finish….We finished very strong. Henderson held up against premier rushers. We got better at the WR position based merely on compariing Curry/Lelie/Carter/Watkins vs DHB/Murphy. Got better in the SAM by adding more people there. We didnt have anyone there to be honest. Got better at the safety position.
Look at the Sharks…started real well…back ended into the playoffs and got exposed. Sports is always about how you finish. The naysayers sometime they been beaten for so long they forget to analyze.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:29 am
SilverNBlack666 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:22 am
OAKlifer we both want wins and to get out of the damn cellar in the AFC West.
We can agree on that. So what has to happen to make that possible.
#1 stop the run.
#2 protect Russell (by running the ball more and giving him better pass rush protection)
#3 Special Teams
Can we agree on that at least?
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YES SIR!!! and 1-3 you are correct!! #3 is maybe one of our strong points..was a little bummed we couldnt retain our ST coord….happens! # 2 most important but dsnt even matter if #1 never happens I see you point we ant the same thing I just put more surgar in my kool aid ethen you do!!!LOL
haughnessy…yes agreed Ir waiting to happen and monroe was one of the BEST T in the draft I was actually praying to hear his mane couldt believe he fell to us… but now the draft is done I support our guys!
April 29th, 2009 at 11:29 am
# 408RAIDER Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:25 am
LMN
my I suggest Mark shlongface from NFL Live i cant stand that guy….
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send him over here, with air mail, and i will practice on him with my alu-bat….
freaking shyt!
jerry, get your shyt fixed, its embarrassing..
April 29th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Time stands still in a black hole LMN!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 11:30 am
#1 stop the run.
#2 protect Russell (by running the ball more and giving him better pass rush protection)
#3 Special Teams
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We needed to replace Carter, Curry, Lelie, Wilson, Edwards, Stewart, Alston & Williams. these players are all scrubs and never should have been signed or received playing time in the first place.
We’ve done that in the draft. You can’t address every hole in 1 offseason.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:30 am
“This offseason and the draft has been the best in years.”
No comment.
Thank you however for acting kindly and not lashing out.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:31 am
DKnight007
I agree 100 % on using your weapons to the fullest Dhb on reverses or screens you name it . The same should go for Mc Fadden too, HB passes , line him up all over the formation to give the defenses something to worry about.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Look at the Sharks…started real well…back ended into the playoffs and got exposed. Sports is always about how you finish. The naysayers sometime they been beaten for so long they forget to analyze.
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AIG
why ya bringing up old isht?? sheez
April 29th, 2009 at 11:32 am
666…how about us just scoring some points in the first half for once? I think scoring points was our biggest weakness last year.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am
BTW where is 87??? I have yet to congratulate him on yhe ducks winning….
April 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am
Al Davis has done nothing to improve our D-line but I will be an optimist and hope we are better against the run next year
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atta girl.
coaching and scheme makes a difference. S&B defense must have brainwashed you to think otherwise
April 29th, 2009 at 11:33 am
408…still biter about the Sharks. I am an old fan of Irbe my fav shark of all time. Nabby aint clutch. He pads his stats but can never carry our team on his back. You win Stanley cup with clutch Goalies…Ducks, Devil, Avalance, and Stars all had clutch goalies.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:34 am
has any 1 seen happy troll???
April 29th, 2009 at 11:35 am
AIG….
na Im over it… kinda
April 29th, 2009 at 11:36 am
I’m reading about Black Holes now, see what you started LMN. lol
Ok so matter loses Mass and energy, and time doesn’t exist in a black Whole.
That’s my understanding of it!!
April 29th, 2009 at 11:36 am
I think what has happened in Oakland was Big Al,sinse Gruden left anyway,was he gave up waaaaay 2 much control and let other people make the decisions.Big Al has taken back control and this off-season proves it,imo
April 29th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Bring back Link Gates go Sharks
April 29th, 2009 at 11:37 am
# Raider O Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Time stands still in a black hole LMN!!!!
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well in the hollywood sense… there is NO time in a black hole, no matter either…. that does NOT mean times stands still…
April 29th, 2009 at 11:38 am
well my next door neighbor has got his smoker going and has lots of beer so I will BBL NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Believe me I have lost track of time in the Black Hole a few times.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:39 am
4eva….
enjoy huff’N'puff one for me =)
April 29th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Later 4eva…. ice cold beer sounds great right about now…
April 29th, 2009 at 11:40 am
# Lynn from Snot Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Believe me I have lost track of time in the Black Hole a few times.
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bwahaahaha, it that sense time has stood still since 2003 =)
April 29th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Am I the only 1 who keeps getting calls on my cell phone telling me about the factory warranty on my car is about to expire?? I hate tele-marketers
April 29th, 2009 at 11:43 am
LMN,
I said it didn’t exist at 1st, but I didn’t think you like it. lol
April 29th, 2009 at 11:44 am
ohh eff it… im going for the sofa, hope i can enjoy tonights Champions league between Arsenal-Man U
eff everything…
April 29th, 2009 at 11:45 am
408,
Hell no, I keep getting these calls too.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:48 am
I cant wait for OTA’s to start… then we should get some juicy fixes from jerry…
April 29th, 2009 at 11:48 am
well time and matter is the same – in a black hole, so its not there, in the sense we see time and matter… its combined in a black hole..
April 29th, 2009 at 11:48 am
My take on Eugene Monroe:
When the draft evaluations first began, I thought that only Jason Smith was agile enough to start in a ZBS scheme. After Cable made the statement that all four of the top LT’s could play in any system, I was licking my chops. When Monroe fell into our laps, I could hardly contain my excitement. When we passed on Monroe I was livid beyond belief, especially when we took a classic Al size/speed guy. In retrospect, I think Cable was bluffing when he said that all 4 lineman could fit our scheme. If he wasn’t, we are screwed for many, many more years. So might as well play the optimist on this one, we will find out soon enough, if that O-line can’t protect Russell, then there will be plenty of time for doom and gloom, and we will have another high pick in which to select Russell Okung, Ciron Black, etc.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Is it Monday night yet?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:52 am
4evaRaider Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:36 am
I think what has happened in Oakland was Big Al,sinse Gruden left anyway,was he gave up waaaaay 2 much control and let other people make the decisions.Big Al has taken back control and this off-season proves it,imo
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bro, Big Al is still big Al. I think it is normal for him to allow the new coach to get some influence in their first year. The thing that is different this year is Cable knows how to work with Al. He knows how to get what he can with Al wihout Al feeling insecure. As much as I hate/love that guy he is one insecure f’ck. Publicly he says he doesnt care but then why does he reads all press clippings and remember what the writers about him.
Cable has done a wonderful job of working with Al while getting some his ways. DHB and Murphy are Al Davis picks for sure. But the guys in later rounds dont resemble AD picks at all. Brown/Washington badly wanted Mitchell (as told by Mitchell after the visit). I dont see Slade, Sulak, and Meyers as being AD picks at all.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:52 am
LMN,
Ok no more Black Hole Talk pls, let’s talk about Mke the Head Hunter Mitchell.
Do you like that pick?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:55 am
should the Raiders sign Brett Favre?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:56 am
RR
i really do like ur sense of humor
April 29th, 2009 at 11:57 am
raider o…
he better break Javons collar bone in camp or i get very pissed
April 29th, 2009 at 11:57 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:55 am
should the Raiders sign Brett Favre?
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good idea, what about Trent Dilfer?
April 29th, 2009 at 11:58 am
The thing i like about Cable is he wants to be here I don’t think we’ve had that since Flores and Madden. Everyone since then have been first timers looking for a start or retreads looking to hang on.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:58 am
408RAIDER Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 9:16 am
TW
LOL.. cant root 4 the chokers ever.. ok maybe if theyre playing the donkeys maybe….
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When I watch any other AFC West games, all I want to see is injuries, and ah um, injuries. Not the cereer ending type, but the IR type anyway.
I can see it now… Oren O’s hat right on the knee of Shawn MerrROID… BOOM out for another year.
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April 29th, 2009 at 11:58 am
NO way 2 farve hes a baby
April 29th, 2009 at 11:59 am
the real question is should we sign vick…
April 29th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Wassup Raider Nation!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Sign either Favre or Trent Green. then add Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer
Favre, Johnson, Garcia at QB = WOW
Green, Dilfer, Garcia at QB = WOW
Super Bowl, baby!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
F*** Favre!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Sign FAVRE ? How about Vinny Testeverde or Jeff George ?
April 29th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Why not dig up the grave of Sammy Baugh and clone him for a future QB?
April 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
BBB — I think if we go back and analyze our O-line play as last season progressed, especially the end of the year, it’s pretty evident good things were happening.
I also think (and hope!) Cable’s been around long enough that he knows when an already-young O-line starts to gel, adding another high pick “sure thing” — with nothing more than potential — to the mix doesn’t necessarily make it instantly better.
Cable’s stuck it out there for his guys, and they better get the job done. My money’s on Cable knowing what he sees in his line already, esp. since he added some new guys before the draft.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
What about JR?!?!?
Should we sideline our 60mil QB to play 3 40 yr old QBs!!!!
LMAO, you know!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
the real question is should we sign vick…
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Chris Mortenson said he fully expects Vick to be reinstated. no suspension
2-year deal for the vet minimum would be better than working construction for him. No need to add a “donate to PETA” claus in the contract. If PETA protests the Raiders thats more publicity and you know Al Davis loves the spotlight – good or bad …
April 29th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
When the Oakland Raiders drafted fairly obscure Ohio University safety Michael Mitchell in the second round last weekend, the pick was almost universally criticized as a reach.
However, the Chicago Bears and the Cleveland Browns also had high grades on Mitchell and were considering drafting him in the second round.
And now that Mitchell has heard about the significant negative reaction to where he went in the draft from multiple analysts, including Mel Kiper of ESPN, he’s determined to show that the Raiders were correct in their assessment of his value.
In an interview with Jeffrey Chadiha of ESPN.com, Mitchell makes it clear that he’ll use the second-guessing to fuel his work ethic.
“I definitely have a lot of motivation,” Mitchell told ESPN. ”Some people basically said I wasn’t a good football player from the minute I got drafted. … I know teams like Chicago and Cleveland were interested in me, and I appreciate that they were willing to draft me regardless of what other people were saying.
“But now that the Raiders have given me a shot when nobody knew anything about me, I really feel like I have even more to prove. If people thought I was working hard before the draft, just wait until they see me after it.”
Mitchell took 13 official visits prior to the draft, and the 6′1,” 220-pound defensive back impressed NFL teams with a strong Pro Day workout.
His 40-yard dash time was a swift 4.43 seconds. Plus, he registered a 37 1/2 inch vertical leap and bench pressed 225 pounds 22 times.
Raiders coach Tom Cable told Oakland reporters that Mitchell’s aggressive, hard-hitting approach to the game reminds him of Ronnie Lott and Jack Tatum.
“He literally knocks people out,” Cable said. “It allows you know to get back to Raider style of football, which is really the reason I wanted this guy so bad.”
April 29th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Blanda just for kicks.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
efff PETA…
isnt there a better animal caring group?…
April 29th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
# Lynn from Snot Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Blanda just for kicks.
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Morten Andersen, NO DOUBT!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
I think the whole line situation depends on is Henderson can hold down the LT spot. Barnes will be a very good right tackle with superior run blocking tha we have had in a awhile. Henderson is the key.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Henderson will be fine with the help of a TE every now and then.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
What about the Snake, he is still alive and drinking!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
nice read onceuponatimeinthewest
April 29th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
How about Vinny Testeverde or Jeff George ?
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good thinking Lynn. I like where your head is at
April 29th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Snake is fine, but I heard his house just went up for auction.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
That would be so great if DHB and Mitchell came out and kicked arse. Then maybe Dracula…err Mel Kiper’s reputation would get a nice, swift kick in the applesack.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
I love animals they are delicious….
April 29th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
barnes is the LT, Pears the R
April 29th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Mel kiper is a tool….
April 29th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Anything is an upgrade over Kwame , that was a mistake we can’t afford to make again.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Mike Mitchell is a head hunter, we need a guy like that.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
I realy hope Mcfadden can stay healthy this year… If Not briong On bush!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
I love animals they are delicious
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me too 408. well said
April 29th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
# Raider O Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Mike Mitchell is a head hunter, we need a guy like that.
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I will fully support him if he goes Romo on Javon in camp…
April 29th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
No one knows if DHB and MM are available when you upload the Roster on Madden 09 on PS3?!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Come On LMN… Yvonne might just pan out…. hahahahaha as you can see I’ve been hitting the kool-Aid hard lately…
April 29th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Given that Monroe was supposed to be a dead-cert top 3 pick, the fact he dropped to No7 would suggest that there was some substance to the rumours about a chronic knee condition?
April 29th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
O — What exactly makes Mitchell a head hunter? I see that thrown in here now and then, and I wonder where that it comes from. The fact he has instincts for the ball, and when he hits, he hits hard?
April 29th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Why doesn’t Kiper work for an NFL team ? You would think his “knowledge” is far superior to any NFL lackey personnel exec. And Mc shay , my barber knows more about football then this punk.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
LMN,
I disagree, we need a vet WR on the team, even if it’s Yavon!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Wr/TE- DHB, Schilens, JLH, Miller
OL-Barnes, Gallery, Satele, Carlisle, Pears
Qb- Russell
Rb’s- Bush, DMAC
DL- Burgess, Kelly, Warren, Richardson
LB’s- Howard, Joseph, Morrison
Cb’s Johnson, Nnamdi
S- Mitchell, Branch
Joseph will be our MLB, Branch Mitchell will be a devastating duo, Wr’s will stretch the D leaving Miller and DMAC open, our success will be based on how we do in the trenches,
April 29th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Is the number twelve a number that is authorized for a WR to ware? I know they sometimes use other number for the preseason but then have to get another number for the regular season.
I think the closest thing to a key loss would be
Gabril Wilson. I don’t really think he was key, but just the closest to it.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Wish we had more depth at corner if Nnamdi goes down then what? god forbid
April 29th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Mike Mayock and the rest of the ESPN Crew did not know much about Mitchell, so no team would consider picking this kid that high in the draft, would they? It would be a crazy man’s call without the so-called experts that walk on water’s OK.
Never mind Mayock admitted not ever watching any film on the kid. Mayock walks on water and does not need to see the kid play in order to put a grade on the kid.
Never mind that the Chicago Bears had Mitchell targeted with their 49th pick per the story in the Chicago Tribune. Once the Raiders selected Mitchell, the Bears traded out of the 49th pick. Wow, the Bears did not rank any of Mayock’s players still available as a value at that spot?
Never mind the Dallas Cowboys wanted Mitchell in round two and traded out after the Raiders took Mitchell. The Cowboys stated that the player they wanted was taken at the Raiders’ spot and also traded out.
Never mind that the Green Bay Packers, Colts, Texans, and others had Mitchell in for a visit. The “experts” that did not have a clue on this kid were thrown for a loop, and they did not like it.
The Raiders got the safety that they wanted from the get-go by trading down in round two, two spots before he would have come off the board. Looks like value to me if that is your player.
This whole time you have Jon Gruden just sitting there listening to the debate. But if you looked closely, you can see that Gruden has something on his mind.
Then Gruden speaks, and using his hands and arms for effect, he outlines the shape of the globe as he says, “Let me tell you this—the Oakland Raiders are global and have fans all over the world. I have been to Europe, and you see Oakland Raiders gear all over the world. And I can tell you this, I was a Raider. Al Davis could care less about what any of us think or say up here, and that I can promise you.”
Let’s bring Gruden back in some capacity, in a perfect world as GM
April 29th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lc_2Qj5T5SU
HD37
April 29th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
if Mario Henderson doesn’t win the LT job I don’t think he’ll be given the RT job by default. He’s not a good run blocker, but he’s pretty solid in pass protection
Seems like Henderson at LT and Barnes at RT would be a good fit, but Cable said he’s going to give Barnes every opportunity to win the LT job …
Pears, Green or Johnson will be the RT next year. Johnson is also getting reps at guard
April 29th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
MM hits hard, he is Nasty, and he always looks for the big hit.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
I hope Joseph turns out to be as good as some of you think. He is untested against premier competition. If he is that good, getting him as an UDFA would be one of the biggest coups ever.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Ron Jaworski likes Oakland’s pick of Darrius Heyward-Bey
April 29th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
WRs can wear 10-19, and 80-89.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
It was a summy day in England again.
Strange. The summer here is usually around the second week of May.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Speed kills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Donkeys.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
# Raider O Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
LMN,
I disagree, we need a vet WR on the team, even if it’s Yavon!!!
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most often i would agree, just not yvonne… i do NOT like him, i rather have lelie or curry or some other inept WR..
but if you pick a WR in the 1st he better be ready
eff javon, MM will gain all my respect if he injures Javon, if we cut him he costs money, if he is injured he dont!
Come on Mike, I dare you… Mike did you hear what Javon called you, he called you a puzzy and a can of worms was better ball-players… its true, he said it last night =)
April 29th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Johnson is insurance in case Carlisle gets hurt. It will be interesting if Wilson or Marten make an impression during camp. The Cowboys were unhappy when we pinched Marten from their practice squad and Wilson was doing okay before he got hurt.
The one thing the Raiders are losing is sleep over the pace of Oren O’Neal’s recovery. We desperately need Mr Pain firing on all cylinders. Lawton did okay but he doesn’t scare the wits out of opposing LBs like Mr Pain does!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
If Namdi goes down, I really think Huff can is suited for cornerback
April 29th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Remember Tommy Kelly wasn’t drafted, Joseph got a full scholarship to BC where he would have received big pub but decided to stay close to home to care for his mom. Draft guys did a piece on him saying don’t be suprised to see him in the pro bowl
April 29th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
I wanna be
I wanna be
Like Mike!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Speed kills!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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then stop popping them pills!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Wish we had more depth at corner if Nnamdi goes down then what?
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Stanford Routt, Michael Huff, Tyvon Branch, Justin Miller, Darrick Brown, John Bowie (in that order) if Nnamdi gets hurt
Justin Miller filled in for him during the Tampa game and played pretty well, but he got burned on one big pass play for a TD last year…
April 29th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
# Raider O Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Mike Mitchell is a head hunter, we need a guy like that.
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I will fully support him if he goes Romo on Javon in camp…
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What crap. Come on, LMN — When Romo did that, he literally gave the organization a black eye, and reinforced why he was the most despised player in the NFL. Romo was an embarrassment to himself and the NFL — and anyone riding Merriman’s ass for steroid use, but excuses Romo’s abuse of same is a hypocrite.
Breaking a teammate’s face is not the way I want to see any of my Raiders start the year.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
LMN,
You are sick dude!!!! lol
LMAO.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Huff should be our nickle back
April 29th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
408 thanks for the youtube link great story!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
37,
Black eye. lol you know!!
I really have to stop this you know crap!!!
You know!!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Ron Jaworski likes Oakland’s pick of Darrius Heyward-Bey
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He doesn’t want to be lumped in that bunch of talking heads that think they know what their talking about.
Jaws has taken the Raiders for granted before and won’t do it again.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
That black eye was also towards a player from the bay. OUCH!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
HayesDaze37…
you are absolutely right, the one player i hate the most, is Romo, but i dont like javon either, and it would suit our finances if MM did so, and he would show how nasty he is…
to me its a WIN-WIN situation
April 29th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
“Huff should be our nickle back”
I would rather see Huff on the bench or traded!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Like I said before Rockstar then what?
April 29th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Daze..
i agree with all you said in post 340…
April 29th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
DHB WAS THE PERFECT FIT!!!!!!!!
Many people are down on the Raiders draft. There is a good reason for this, as it appears most picks were reaches, and in most cases the the Raiders could have traded down and drafted the same player, or gotten that player is a different round.
The madness of Raider fans starts with Darrius Heyward-Bey. While I agree that they could have gotten him 15-20 picks later, this wasn’t totally a bad choice.
Most GMs believed that outside of the top four our five picks, the next 30 were pretty equal. So many teams were only willing to trade up if they were afraid the person that fit the need would be gone when they got to draft.
The Raiders chances of trading down were greatly impaired with Sanchez being picked at five. The only person that was worth trading up for was Monroe. The teams that needed a left tackle had either already picked, or were going DE in round one-Buffalo- due to the depth in this class.
Other than Jacksonville, which picked Monroe, the next team that would have been looking at tackle, was Detroit at 20. I don’t see them giving up the 33rd pick to get Monroe. So Jacksonville didn’t have to get in the bidding battle, because there wasn’t any competition. And now the Raiders are stuck at 7.
That being said, DHB was rated as the third best WR in this draft on most boards. But look at the offense that is going to be run in Oakland. It reminds me of Baltimore’s Superbowl offense. Run, Run, and Run. And when the defenses start stacking the box, throw it deep for the big play.
While Maclin is fast, DHB is faster, not to mention taller. He also played in a pro style offense at Maryland. DHB is a fit for classic Al Davis offense. The major reason for Cable keeping the job was the belief in this system.
There are two major reasons why players are either busts or slow starters- They are either rushed into playing too early, or poor fit in scheme or position. In the Davis system a premium is put on the ability to stretch the field.
Crabtree really doesn’t fit here. Although he has the potential to be a great receiver, he doesn’t have the game breaking speed that the Davis system requires. If Davis was looking for that type of player, he probably would have given up his 1 to get Bolden.
Maclin would have been a fit, as he does have enough speed to stretch the field. I believe Maclin is a Bernard Berrian/Donnie Avery clone. Its all about speed. I don’t see a whole lot of upside.
If you are looking for something more, than you have to risk more. Al Davis has stuck neck out trying to get something more than a Bernard Berrian. Maybe he gets lucky and gets a Roddy White. But, he could be the second coming of Ashley Lelie.
If DHB can keep his attitude straight, develop his game, and avoid the injury bug this could be the best pick Davis could have made.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Huff can cover as a DB, just can’t tackle for s***
April 29th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
293
Good point brother!!!
296 Double R??????
April 29th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
And, like it or not, Javon’s still a Raider. Anyone wanting to see a Raiders player intentionally injured is NO FAN of the Raiders.
The team is called the RAIDERS, not the Raider.
The way some of you support some, but not all, of your allegedly favorite TEAM is disgusting. Wishing serious injury upon anyone (no matter the team) who’s playing a sport that you are allegedly enjoying viewing, is hardly a fan at all.
(Taking advantage of “the breaks” is much different than wishing they happen — and most athletes respect each other enough to not TRY to injure the other guy).
April 29th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
With the depth at corner Huff is an option.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
# DMAC Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
That black eye was also towards a player from the bay. OUCH!
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it was not JUST a black eye, it was crushed his eye socket, and ended his career before it started…
Romo was sick, never liked him, but MM would gain all my respect if he ended Javons career, he have had tooo many chances, and i hate seeing him in SnB…
April 29th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
The Raiders lost a chance to upgrade their biggest weakness – Run D.
I don’t mind the Mitchell pick IN A VACCUM. But this isn’t a vaccum.
The Raiders could open 2009 with Brace at DT and Wilson at S or Sands at DT and Mitchell at S or Sands/Wilson. They opted for Sands/Mitchell.
A Safety is going to solve the Run D? Heard the same thing last year.
Sands/Mitchell better than Brace/Wilson? No. (or Brace/Branch for that matter)
April 29th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
And, like it or not, Javon’s still a Raider. Anyone wanting to see a Raiders player intentionally injured is NO FAN of the Raiders.
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here you go again, the almighty judge of who is and who isnt a fan….
what about those thousands of fans buh’ing of raider players…
JAVON IS NOT A RAIDER!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Sorry Hayez, but it was great to see Brady go down last year.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
COW…
goood to see ya, finally some reason!
if I seem a bit over the edge, its jsut because im totally pissed tonight and venting here =) LOL
April 29th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Why didn’t JAX grab Crabtree or Maclin anyway? That was their big need did they have DHB on their radar too?
April 29th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
ESPN Analysts Have No Class, Darius Heyward-Bey Does!
ESPN has never been known for hiring the sharpest tools in the shed as NFL analysts.
It is one thing to hire people lucky enough to make it through 25 percent of the questions on their SAT Test’s heading, and quite another to hire people who have no class.
I just finished watching an interview on ESPN with Oakland Raiders first round draft pick Darius Heyward-Bey, and the clowns involved at ESPN should be ashamed of themselves.
The panel included Tom Jackson, the former Denver linebacker who clearly hasn’t gotten over all the thumpings the Oakland Raiders used to hand him and his Broncos when he was playing.
Chris Carter, who has never been known as the brightest guy on the block and was an admitted drug addict in his early days in the NFL, was another of the so-called “analysts” during the interview.
Trent Dilfer, the quarterback no NFL team wanted even after winning a Super Bowl, and Suzy Colber finished out this panel of clowns.
I am not angry with what was said during the interview, but rather with the fact that a classy young man was set up by this panel of buffoons.
The whole interview started out with the members of ESPN doing a stand-up comedy spot where they mock the classy Heyward-Bey while Jackson is digging every minute of it, laughing like a Hyena.
That would be low-class enough, but the part that really set me off was that this whole time, ESPN had Heyward-Bey sitting with his family waiting to be interviewed on the program.
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I am sure they were watching the panel’s shameful routine as it unfolded.
If the analysts had just offered their opinion on DHB, it would be one thing. But it went much further than that.
You could see and feel the panel’s hate for the Oakland Raiders, and it just so happened Heyward-Bey was the unlucky fellow that allowed these low-class clowns to spout off.
When he was introduced after all the outright mean banter, he showed nothing but class. It sure is nice to see a wide receiver like him coming out of college.
The young man answered Colber’s questions as she smiled and smirked at his answers but he withstood it all.
ESPN has gotten so bad with their bias against anything Raiders-related that people from the mainstream media are starting to see it and are calling it for what it is.
The San Francisco Chronicle recently ran an article titled “ESPN Bias and the Oakland Raiders” where the author went on to list several commentators and the axes they have to grind with the organization.
I always thought the NFL looked out for these young men coming out of college and tried to portray themselves as a classy league.
How the NFL can stand by after watching what ESPN did to this young man is beyond me. I will be writing a letter to the NFL and including a copy of the video that I have included with this story below.
This interview and clear set-up of this young man not only showed ESPN’s lack of class, but was simply mean-spirited and very unprofessional, whether or not they happen to like Heyward-Bey or the Oakland Raiders.
Any person with an ounce of class running through their body should see this for what it was—nothing more than a mean-spirited attempt to try and humiliate the Oakland Raiders and Al Davis.
The sad part is that they tried to humiliate a bright and young very talented wide receiver to do it.
DHB will have plenty of time to show what he can do and I am sure he will use this as motivation when he enters the NFL.
The Oakland Raiders are bringing not only classy, but very smart players into the organization. You can add DHB to the likes of Nnamdi Asomugha and so many others that make up the Raiders roster.
I hope the people who see this video below will take the time to write the NFL and make sure this never happens to another great young man and his family again.
Contacting ESPN would be a waist. Until they wise up and clean up their act, it would be like talking to a wall.
You can watch the interview by hitting the link below,
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4100600
April 29th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
haze…
this is Football, if you dont want to see injuries, go watch synchronized swimming..
April 29th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Say what you want about Cable and I have my doubts but you have to love this quote.
“He literally knocks people out,” Cable said. “It allows you know to get back to Raider style of football, which is really the reason I wanted this guy so bad.”
April 29th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Lynn because they are smart and opted to draft O-Line.
They understand that the game is won in the trenches
April 29th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
CRACKRAIDER did you write post 362 or was that a cut & paste?
I was schocked also when I watched that clip and saw that DHB was standing by waiting to be interviewed.
I wouldnt have blamed him if he took off the mic and walked out but he showed class and stuck around.
Disgusting.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
The best part of this video is at the end when AL Davis Flips off the Camera saying F u to all you Haters hahahah
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8100c928
April 29th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Just a observation there BEAST Lets see how it turns out.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
CRACKRAIDER did you write post 362 or was that a cut & paste?
I was schocked also when I watched that clip and saw that DHB was standing by waiting to be interviewed.
I wouldnt have blamed him if he took off the mic and walked out but he showed class and stuck around.
Disgusting.
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IT WAS A CUT AND PASTE…I thought i share that with everyone cause i think we should all write to Espn and the NFL about this..
April 29th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
LMN — Don’t try to tell me what football is, you’ve never even seen a game.
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Romo was sick, never liked him, but MM would gain all my respect if he ended Javons career, he have had tooo many chances, and i hate seeing him in SnB…
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Toooo many chances for what? He screwed up with the Raiders…and, so he’s out? If that were true, a lot of old-time Raiders greats wouldn’t have been Raiders greats. How many chances does a guy get, LMN, before he’s worthy of being intentionally hurt by a teammate??
For a guy who tells us how important his job is (it’s the most!), and how important he is to the safety (or lack thereof) of our shipping lanes, you sure do lack logic. Make a little sense, before you lecture me LMN — you’re showing an incredible lack of sensibility.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
COW,
If you have been paying attention to Cables comments the last few weeks he has said the problem with the D is the scheme (Rob Ryan). He feels the players we have are ok, I have my doubts about the players but the scheme was definetley krapola. I cant wait to see the new DC’s work.
Coach on Wheels Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
The Raiders lost a chance to upgrade their biggest weakness – Run D.
I don’t mind the Mitchell pick IN A VACCUM. But this isn’t a vaccum.
The Raiders could open 2009 with Brace at DT and Wilson at S or Sands at DT and Mitchell at S or Sands/Wilson. They opted for Sands/Mitchell.
A Safety is going to solve the Run D? Heard the same thing last year.
Sands/Mitchell better than Brace/Wilson? No. (or Brace/Branch for that matter)
April 29th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
I feel really bad really really bad for Louis Rankins right now. You know M&M is not allowed to hurt McFadden. So Louis will be the human dummy for Frantz and M&M. It is going to get ugly. I hope he bought insurance.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Football — Tons of injuries, they happen.
And seeing Brady miss the year didn’t bother me at all, I admit. But, if I knew that guy went for his knee intentionally, he’d be gone for a long awhile, too.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Brady injury=GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Hollis Thomas was released by the Saints.. wouldnt hurt to take a peek and see if he could help us for a year.. teach these guys we have now what it takes to be a DT.. we need some leadership there.. badly
April 29th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Crow:
Much as I like you and your feathered friends, I have to take issue with your statement that we’ve seen no improvement.
We are in the best shape we’ve been in for some time.
This time last year we were having to live through the Kiffin soap opera.
Cable pulled that team together somehow and they played well in the last three games. We should have won that KC game.
At the end of the year, Cable kept saying how much he liked the team he had.
If I remember correctly, we had only five penalties in the last two games and only two in the Tampa Bay game that we weren’t supposed to win. The offensive line played well in these games.
After Tampa Bay, Cable basically wanted to hold the team together although we lost Wilson and Cross.
To everyone’s suprise we re-signed Asomugha and Lechler.
We haven’t improved?
I’m going to have to confess that when they announced Heyward-Bey, I damn near crushed my beer can into about the size of a dime.
When we passed on Michael Oher, who I really liked and also Brace I developed a right eye tick and now everyone thinks I’m winking at them.
I still think we improved in the draft.
Cable didn’t have any input? Bull.
Cable and Al sat down before the draft and Cable said I want talented high motor guys who have character and meet some needs.
And Al said OK, but they’ve got to have speed.
Myers is a solid blocking TE. Even the “experts’ are saying this guy is a steal. He is going to free up Miller.
Mitchell was checked out by several teams and Chicago was going to pick him except we did. This guy is good to replace Wilson. It’s going to be Mitchell and Branch. I really like the look of this guy.
Murphy was also a steal-we didn’t want a receiver but we actually got a solid one. Goodbye Walker.
We also got Shaughnessy, Noris and Sulak and I think I like Sulak. He’s got a great funble recovery record and he’s not bad on sacks.
Heyward-Bey is a gamble but it could pay-off big time for Russell with a freed-up Miller and Chaz and McFadden on the field. This kid could be dynamite!
Last year we didn’t even have McFadden for most of the year and Bush was prominent until the end. Apparently this year is going to be McFadden and Bush because they’re still trying to trade Fargas.
On top of that we have Marshall and Ryan left town.
We’ve got a lot of talented, hungry young players who have speed,talent and character. It’s all good. Bring on San Diego, I can’t wait!
No improvement my arse.
April 29th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Mista – If you have been paying attention the last few years I’ve been calling for Ryan’s firing.
The Raiders (Al) said there was nothing wrong with RR for two years now he’s suddenly the problem?
Ryan was a problem – I said it two years before Cable did. However, Sands can’t play and Safeties don’t improve a run defense like a DT does.
What else is Cable going to say?
April 29th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
daze
—”For a guy who tells us how important his job is (it’s the most!), and how important he is to the safety (or lack thereof) of our shipping lanes, you sure do lack logic. Make a little sense, before you lecture me LMN — you’re showing an incredible lack of sensibility.”—
I never said anything like that…
sorry if i said anything bad about your boyfriend Javon… I dont like him, and having him on the roster steal the opportunity for some of the others… He is overrated, he may give you a good BJ, but that does not count on the field!
go watch some synchronized swimming if you dont like the injuries… you almighty judge of who is or who isnt a fan…
April 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Is this a joke ?
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Sign either Favre or Trent Green. then add Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer
Favre, Johnson, Garcia at QB = WOW
Green, Dilfer, Garcia at QB = WOW
Super Bowl, baby!
April 29th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:57 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:55 am
should the Raiders sign Brett Favre?
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good idea, what about Trent Dilfer?
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I guess if that ever became an option, then they’d have to look at Chris Carter, because he knows something about the WR position, ya know?
April 29th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
I said it yesterday:
Maclin and DHB both played WR at HS, but Crab was a QB at HS.
Also DHB played LB at HS too.
He avg 20 yrds per catch, and had 22TDs in 2 yrs.
DHB player WR for 7+ yrs, but Crab only played WR at TT for 2 yrs.
Then DHB is called a track star, I don’t get it!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Jerry, thanks for the article. I liked your grades better than the experts, although all grades are ridiculous.
I liked yours better because of the heavy helping of sardonic wit. You sure you’re not related to Lon Simmons?
It was a good article. Sorry to take you away from Little League.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Daze…
—”lot of old-time Raiders greats wouldn’t have been Raiders greats.”—
you are just like your hero King Al, he lives in the 70s as well…
All Raider Greats would ahve been kicked out of the league if they had played today…
Javon is stain on the WRs wearing SnB.. He makes me long for Johnnie Morant and Alvis Whitted..
April 29th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
England -
I DIDN’T SAY WE SAW NO IMPROVEMENT.
Jerry asked for losses. I said we lost a chance to upgrade our terrible run D.
Gains – Like DHB
Like Mitchell
Like Samson
Like resigning Lechler and CJ and Aso
BUT we didn’t ungrade out front 7 on Defense.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
# IndianaRaider Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:57 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 11:55 am
should the Raiders sign Brett Favre?
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good idea, what about Trent Dilfer?
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I guess if that ever became an option, then they’d have to look at Chris Carter, because he knows something about the WR position, ya know?
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exactly =) LOL
April 29th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
COW, dont shoot the messenger I been calling for Ryans head for his last 3 years as well.
Cable thinks we have the players so it is what it is. How do you know Sands cant play? In Ryans defense who can play other than Nnamdi ? Gibril was a stud with NY and he came to Oakland and looked like Derrick Gibson under RR. Im ok with a new DC and see what these guys do.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Mistabrwon..
i hope its obvious, if not, yes its a joke =)
April 29th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
I hope Joseph lands a spot at any LB postiton. He’s beast.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Has anybody seen OakGlenn ad his 35 aliases since registration ?
April 29th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
definetly an upgrade over Brown, Williams, Ekujiba, Alston etc.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Has anybody seen OakGlenn ad his 35 aliases since registration ?
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only someone called OakGlenn, I think its him..
someone “stole” BHPs nick, so he goes by priestsj or something like that…
April 29th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Like I said before Rockstar then what?
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Lynn: this won’t be popular to say, but it’s true. Our defense will be fine with or without Nnamdi …
corners are dime a dozen with the right scheme. If we can get pressure from Burgess & Scott from the outside, as well as Warren & Kelly up the gut on passing plays the corner’s job just got a lot easier. force a QB to throw a ball across his body or right before a big hit. rough him up and knock him down. that will kill his rhythm and timing. pressure is key. I hope Marshall is an aggressive DC that loves to blitz and gamble. Send Thomas Howard off the edge or send Mitchell or Branch on a safety blitz.
paying a corner $15 million per year is flat out stupid. What has Nnamdi done for our defense the past 5 years? teams can still choose to run or pass against us. What about Champ Bailey? Their defense was AWFUL last year. a shutdown corner does his job and doesn’t need help. he shuts down his man every time. awesome. what about the TE? what about the RB or FB out of the backfield? what about 2 or 3 WR sets? or double TE’s? Nnamdi is just one man fellas. you fix the scheme and find players that fit it. you plug guys in in their right position and put them in a position to make plays. you attack the offense instead of letting them attack you. thats how defense is supposed to be played.
Rob Ryan was like a little kid that gets picked on at school. He dared the bully to punch him in the stomach. Instead the bully gave him two black eyes, a bloody nose and a fat lip … It’s time to be aggressive instead of passive for a change – thats Raider football
April 29th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Scottish Raider:
you make a valid point, and a worrying one, about Oren O’Neil.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Coach on Wheels Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
England -
I DIDN’T SAY WE SAW NO IMPROVEMENT.
Jerry asked for losses. I said we lost a chance to upgrade our terrible run D.
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COW,
You are right. The Raiders had a couple of opportunities in the 3rd and 4th rounds to add a base DE or big body NT.
There are a lot of high expectations that have been placed with Dwayne Board and John Marshall. They have to take the same players that mustered up a 31st run defense and make them into something better.
Tommy Kelly should be a pro-bowl caliber player since he’s the 2nd highest paid DT in the NFL and Warren and Sands need to play to their contracts as well
April 29th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
LMN:
You’re wanted in a meeting. Something about pirates off the coast of Africa.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
I am just sooo thankful that Mike Mitchell is coming in after the Rob Ryan era. Rob’s buffoonery would have completely ruined Mitchell in the NFL. Now we have a guy in Marshall who has coaxed some great safety play out of his guys in Seattle. Key word for our defense in 2009 is going to be “fundamentals”
no more pizza parties and undeserved praise
April 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Damn! We should of picked up Glibert.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Mistabrown Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Is this a joke ?
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The only real joke in this entire place is you. It’s a well known, well accepted, well documented fact.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Gilbert
April 29th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
EnglandRAIDER…
LOL, hehe, no im siting here in my sofa watching the game… now 4!!! danes on the field LOL (3 refs) hehe
April 29th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
LMN says:
sorry if i said anything bad about your boyfriend Javon… I dont like him, and having him on the roster steal the opportunity for some of the others… He is overrated, he may give you a good BJ, but that does not count on the field!
go watch some synchronized swimming if you dont like the injuries… you almighty judge of who is or who isnt a fan
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LMN — Sad attempts at humor do not mask your lack of logic, and your weak attempts to backstroke. Not only did you say your job’s more important than ANY Raider player…but you were so important you had to go in and save the day at work (like they needed a 29-year-old who lacks logic to tell them how to NOT save the crew of a hijacked ship). Your company would probably love to know you were hamming it up on a public forum during a time of crisis.
And, how do you know what important works the Raiders players do or don’t do? Most of them — even guys like Javon Walker, with their big salaries — do good works that you will never know about. And, I’m certain they — even Javon — have donated/raised more money for “good” causes other than their own, than you ever will. When’s the last time YOUR money built a playground or a football field?
LMN has the most important job in the world!
And by the way, I do watch synchronized swimming on Caddy Shack.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Coach on Wheels:
I was talking to Crow.
By the way, just who is Mr? I don’t think it can be Dude.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
What do you guys think about possibly adding Lorenzo as insurance at FB????
April 29th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
…..and there he was, how does it go? “when you speak of the Devil” =)
April 29th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
LMN:
Are you watching United v. Arsenal? What’s the score?
April 29th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
I agree Mista. I hate to waste another season though proving that guys can’t play.
Sands – Had 1 AVERAGE season 3 years ago. He is not good.
Morrison – I personally like him but he is not good at MLB.
The draft – Mitchell I like
The draft – EVERY one of our other picks are described as tweener DE/OLBs who pass rush but lack run-stopping ability. Ugh! Tyler Brayton clones! How many Trevor Scott / Burgess pass rushing DEs can playon 3rd down? TWO! If Scott/Burgess are pass rushers, will any of these picks ever see the field?
In our “domination” of TB we allowed 110 yards and 2 TDs rushing and won by less than a TD thanks to our defense. We won TOP so can’t say “they were tired”.
STOP THE RUN!
April 29th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
There are a lot of high expectations that have been placed with Dwayne Board and John Marshall. They have to take the same players that mustered up a 31st run defense and make them into something better.
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you’re right S&B. here’s my concern: Al Davis is loyal to players, but not coaches …
Rob Ryan had 5 years to prove himself. Will John Marshall be given 5 years?
I’m hoping that if DT’s Warren, Sands, Kelly & Joseph play like garbage that 3 of the 4 are replaced. If Kelly stinks there make him take a paycut or move him back to DE.
If Davis keeps the group of DT’s and fires Marshall after just 1 season we have no hope for the future unless the offense can produce 40 points per game …
April 29th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Hey OakGlenn!
lmao
Mention your name anytime of the day you pop up within 5 mins, some things never change eh lil feller.
OakGlenn, are you a little lonely without your 30 aliases to back yourself up in here ?
April 29th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
# DMAC Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
What do you guys think about possibly adding Lorenzo as insurance at FB????
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Lo plays a different style of FB than we play here. He would not fit the scheme. Unfortunately.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
fuuuuuuuukkk !!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
England – LOL I was wondering what you meant by my feathered friends.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Daze…
LMN — Sad attempts at humor do not mask your lack of logic, and your weak attempts to backstroke. Not only did you say your job’s more important than ANY Raider player…but you were so important you had to go in and save the day at work (like they needed a 29-year-old who lacks logic to tell them how to NOT save the crew of a hijacked ship). Your company would probably love to know you were hamming it up on a public forum during a time of crisis.
keep trying…
my job is important, any raider player’s job is JUST entertainment…
and my job is not Ship security, nor is it securing shipping lanes, thats a NATO job, MY job is CARGO SECURITY! so when a ship lands in Miami, its cargo dont explode or something like that, furthermore my job is to secure high-end clients cargo gets there on time… My biggest client is the US Army…
April 29th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
I still think he can help us, as long as he knocked the s*** out of LB’s
April 29th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
PHUCK ESPN CRONIESSSSSS>… safe trip to Oakland??????? pfft kiss my you know what
April 29th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I am a little surprised the amount of love for the UFAs, dont get me wrong they look promising, but when there are over 250 picks and someone like Franz isnt picked…. there is something to it.
What is funny to me in regards to the DHB is he was the only stout run blocked out of Crabtree and Macklin.
non-blazers like Crabtree look great against off press, but he WILL look slow and small at the NFL level.
I would love to ask ESPN and whomever so called expert how Crabtree is going to find space when Nnandi is lined up one foot in front of his face in the preaseason let alone 16 regular season games.
Dont get me wrong, I was pissed crabtree was there, but after the understanding of WHY Bey, I can understand the selection and support the selection.
* A local sports radio personality where I am locally said he would QUIT if Bey has a better career than Crabtree. He is a good anchor but would love to see that crow servered up!
April 29th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
LMN:
Are you watching United v. Arsenal? What’s the score?
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1-0
April 29th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
OakGlenn speaking of documented facts didnt you have Rob Ryans back the last couple years ? He’s a good DC in your eyes, isnt that true Oak ?
April 29th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
No one cares that DHB played WR for 7+ yrs and Crab only played the isition for 2, but Crab is Rated a lot higher!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Mistabrown Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Hey OakGlenn!
lmao
Mention your name anytime of the day you pop up within 5 mins, some things never change eh lil feller.
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You know, you are never ever ever in here without mentioning me. You have a fetish? or maybe you don’t realize I absolutely own you like a smelly mutt in the yard. Have you started taking remedial reading classes at the local night school yet clown?? If you haven’t, you should. And get on a treadmill and work on your fat ass beer gut. maybe you will feel better about yourself if you could actually read, and you didn’t look like sh**.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Crab can go eat some crabby burgers
April 29th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
). I dont see Slade, Sulak, and Meyers as being AD picks at all.
They look like Trevor Scott 2 me
April 29th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Coach on Wheels:
Just read your post. Run defense is a problem. It sounds to me like Cable thinks things will improve with just one replacement: Marshall.
I really like the way Mitchell hits and he’s great on stopping the run.
I realize we have to take into account the people Mitchell is knocking around in that youtube thing but the guy dominates and he really puts them down.
Personnaly,I think if there is a loss it’s Schneider although his replacement worked with special teams last year.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
OakGlenn speaking of documented facts didnt you have Rob Ryans back the last couple years ? He’s a good DC in your eyes, isnt that true Oak ?
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He was outta work five minutes like he said wasn’t he?? How long have you been outta work??? Let me guess. You have NEVER had a job have you. And scrounging in dumpsters for scraps behind the Denny’s is not a job.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Lo plays a different style of FB than we play here. He would not fit the scheme. Unfortunately.
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agreed, but neither does Oren. Oren & Lorenzo are hammers. the zbs calls for a FB to be quick, get low and chop and catch passes out of the backfield.
Justin Griffith was a perfect fit. If OO isn’t healthy when we need him I think we’ll go with Lawton, Reece or an undrafted rookie at FB (unfortunately)
The only two vet FB’s left on the market that fit the zbs are Cecil Sapp & Reuben Droughns imo …
April 29th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Bey is the better character person.. phuck crabgrass.. im done big named hyped up primadonna’s
April 29th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
And, how do you know what important works the Raiders players do or don’t do? Most of them — even guys like Javon Walker, with their big salaries — do good works that you will never know about. And, I’m certain they — even Javon — have donated/raised more money for “good” causes other than their own, than you ever will. When’s the last time YOUR money built a playground or a football field?
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So did Romo, whom we both hate, isnt you high on Logic, then you clearly failed here.
I dont give a rats azz how much they donate to churches, good causes and other stuff its just a sign of you dont having a welfare system….
April 29th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Anybody ever see this guy Slade play? Saw a lot of Pac10 games and don’t remember him.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
408,
Black Hole!!! You know!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
I sure hope Scott is building himself up, He shows promise.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
OakGlenn, you forgot to include this part of my post in your cut & paste job on #420
“OakGlenn, are you a little lonely without your 30 aliases to back yourself up in here”
April 29th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Position, sorry.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
i dont think Ryan is a terrible DC he is was a terrible DC for us.. he was a 3-4 DC being forced to run a 4-3.. he never bad mouthed the Raiders like some have.. im glad he is gone.. round peg in a square hole.. he just wasnt a fit here
April 29th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
my job is important, any raider player’s job is JUST entertainment…
??????????????????????????
A Raiders player’s job is entertainment…yet you condone INTENTIONAL Raider-on-Raider injuries. For entertainment! That’s logic, LMN. Hypocrite.
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LMN says:
and my job is not Ship security, nor is it securing shipping lanes, thats a NATO job, MY job is CARGO SECURITY! so when a ship lands in Miami, its cargo dont explode or something like that, furthermore my job is to secure high-end clients cargo gets there on time… My biggest client is the US Army…
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LMN says:
I I I I I ME ME ME ME ME ME ME ME I I I I I ME ME ME ME ME — INJURE YOUR TEAMMATE, I I I HATE HIM! — ME ME ME I I I I I I I I ME ME ME ME ME — MOST IMPORTANT! — I I I I I ME ME ME ME.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
I don’t know if anyone has notice this but i have been watch espn the last couple of days and they haven’t once mention anything about the raiders..i think they got the message.hahaha
April 29th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Raider O
I see you were on real late. Since you’re in school, I’m going to guess that you were up to study for those finals and somehow you just thought you’d check in with the Nation.
I remember finals.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
I hated the DHB as most all of us did, not because of him but I thought we should go defense. But this bashing is really out of hand and out of line. I am now 100% for him as our pick and hope he shines so Carter especially can eat crow.
I am a bit surprised at Dilfer. Say what you want about his playing career but as being an analyst goes he is usually dead on. Looks like he just got caught up in the teasing as most children do. I don’t care if the Raiders ever get an apology, but Darrius deserves a face to face apology from Carter, Dilfer, Mayock, Kiper, McShay, Berman, you name it. There should be a line at his door of people apologizing to him and his family. This treatment is disgusting.
It seems the analysts and draft experts have far over stepped their boundaries. Kiper sounds like he thinks he should be given control of the draft and just hand players out. I’ll get off the soap box now. But this is out of hand.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Sweet! OakGlenn is on record (AGAIN) saying Rob Ryan is a stud DC. Keep posting OakGlenn!!!
Oakglenn Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
He was outta work five minutes like he said wasn’t he??
April 29th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
daze…
come on, mate… you can give a better come back than that =)
April 29th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Anybody ever see this guy Slade play? Saw a lot of Pac10 games and don’t remember him.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
As 4Eva would say…………………………………
Beer me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
What was it Lyn said yesterday?
Niners got Crap and Raiders got the Bey!
April 29th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
One comment about Marshall that makes the Mitchell vs. the run suspect…
Cable said they were (FINALLY) going to play more two deep S defense and interchange who does Free and Strong work. If that is true, your front 7 has to stop the run – not a Safety. I hope Marshall can get these guys playing better.
DHB will be a benchwarmer if our D can’t get off the field.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
It seems the analysts and draft experts have far over stepped their boundaries. Kiper sounds like he thinks he should be given control of the draft and just hand players out. I’ll get off the soap box now. But this is out of hand
You are not alone
April 29th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Mistabrown Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Sweet! OakGlenn is on record (AGAIN) saying Rob Ryan is a stud DC. Keep posting OakGlenn!!!
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LOL. You really are a moron huh?? I didn’t hire Ryan. An NFL franchise just paid him millions to do what you think he can’t do. But hey, Do you want me to go back and find your posts where you say Favre can’t play the game, or we attempted the fake field goal on 2nd down, or some other completely ludicrous statement that a 3 year old child knows is stupid??
April 29th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Raider O Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
408,
Black Hole!!! You know!!!
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I hear ya mang!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
England,
No sir no Finals, my daughter was up a lot last night. We think she is getting sick, I really hope not. She is doing better today, but she is bothered by her Ears!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
DMAC:
About the only thing I could find out about Slad was that he doesn’t like to kill bugs! I fugure Cable’s connections know something about him.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
# Coach on Wheels Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
One comment about Marshall that makes the Mitchell vs. the run suspect…
Cable said they were (FINALLY) going to play more two deep S defense and interchange who does Free and Strong work. If that is true, your front 7 has to stop the run – not a Safety. I hope Marshall can get these guys playing better.
DHB will be a benchwarmer if our D can’t get off the field.
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so true, thats why it was so important for us to get a runstopping MLB, and/or DT…
I read Raji, is the packers starting NT… *sigh*
April 29th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Raider O
Sorry to hear that. I hope she gets better.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Raider O…
hope she gets well, ear infections can be a bi1ch for those littleones…
April 29th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
COW — Exactly right about the front-7 needing to stop the run. Mike Mitchell could be the next coming of the great Raider Jack Tatum, but this defense would still be a failure against the run if the front-7 don’t do their jobs.
But, the front-7 means the LB’s need to step up. If the LB’s and DE’s did ANYTHING against the run last year, even DeAngelo Hall would’ve looked (a little anyway) better than he did.
Front-7 doesn’t just mean Sands and Kelly…that’s only two (for those like LMN who need the help).
April 29th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
While I see the problems of the defense, I seems to me that the bigger problem has been the offense.
I mean, how times did Kiffin give us three and out?!
What defense is going to survive that?
April 29th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I love everything I’ve read about Mitchell but I would feel alot better with Moala and getting a S in the later rounds or even going with Branch and Huff
April 29th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
COW,
Ryan tried to use the SS like an extra linebacker. then wanted interchangable safeties. Who in thier right mind would put Huff or Schweigert down in the box or as the last line of defense?
usually by the time a RB makes it past the front seven it’s a gain of at least 5 yards. the only way a safety stops a play at the line or behind it is when the safety is on a run or pass blitz.
your front seven HAS to be able to stop the run. if you rely on help from a safety, you’re admitting the front seven can’t get the job done. this also makes you vulnerable vs. the pass
April 29th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
England,
Also I have a method that helps me for finals, this way I don’t gave to study as much.
Between Family, work, and other things I have to manage my time well and I can’t spend a lot of time on school and study.
Well, that’s what happens when you start late on your education.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
I read Raji, is the packers starting NT… *sigh*
***
DT Justin Harrell was projected to be a starter too when they drafted him in Round 1. What is he now? 3rd string?
April 29th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
you’re right S&B. here’s my concern: Al Davis is loyal to players, but not coaches …
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That’s my big concern as well. I hope that Kelly and Sands aren’t already on some scholarship and I hope Warren isn’t yet another “Mr. Do-Right” playing time award winner.
I think Marshall and Board are good coaches. Its really up to those three players to prove to everyone there as good as Cable and Davis think they are.
They really have to step up. No stories of missing practices or coming to camp out of shape.
Someone should tell’em that if they come in huff’n and puff;n that they will have to cut’m
April 29th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Thx guys. She is my life and passion.
She made me a better person.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
daze…
you are getting more and more pathetic… I wrote:
—”so true, thats why it was so important for us to get a runstopping MLB, and/or DT…
I read Raji, is the packers starting NT… *sigh*”—
sands should be a runstopper, he showed us he is not i gave him a year, beacuse of his mothers death, but last season he should have stepped up…
Kelly can only stop the run as DE, not as a DT…
Morrison CANT stop any run, so yeah WE NEEDED A RUNSTOPPING MLB AND/OR A RUNSTOPPING DT!!
April 29th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Ok OakGlenn we get it. You think Rob Ryan is a great DC. You and 3 others think this! How could you have hired Rob Ryan you probably dont even have a job yourself. Go ahead and dig up old posts you have nothing else to do.
lol
April 29th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
The Raiders respond to the media and public critics. “The D-HB” and “Mike Mitchell” will make’m pay
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbtJMP8wZhQ
April 29th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Raider O
You have a method huh?
You have to be a pretty disciplined person to work, take care of the family and go to school.
Good luck to you.
Amazing though, when finals come up, how may naps a person has to take.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
yo O
best wishes to your lil girl… its a totally helpless feeling when ur kids not feeling well….
April 29th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
SnB:
Post 461.
I believe that’s Al’s response. Maybe he was standing behind ‘em.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
SnB Defense
thats hella old school…
das my isht son….
April 29th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Hey LMN – you spineless, godforesaken, pinko, Eurotrash, wannabe Muslim, historical revisionist (got your attention?!):
Check out this article – http://www.marinelog.com/DOCS/NEWSMMIX/2009apr00291.html
Maersk CEO Søren Skou announced one particularly important revision to company policy: “Weapons onboard could lead to a dangerous escalation and raise a number of multi-jurisdictional legal issues. However, in certain instances when force protection is government mandated, the Group will work with and comply with government instructions.”
“When force protection is government mandated” to me means that if your vessel is US-flagged, GET AN ESCORT FROM THE U.S. NAVY.
Concur?
April 29th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Musl!ms say:
The joy of this life are 3 things:
1- your children
2- money
3- and god fearing children that will pray for their parents.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
VT Raider Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
I hated the DHB as most all of us did, not because of him but I thought we should go defense. But this bashing is really out of hand and out of line. I am now 100% for him as our pick and hope he shines so Carter especially can eat crow.
I am a bit surprised at Dilfer. Say what you want about his playing career but as being an analyst goes he is usually dead on. Looks like he just got caught up in the teasing as most children do. I don’t care if the Raiders ever get an apology, but Darrius deserves a face to face apology from Carter, Dilfer, Mayock, Kiper, McShay, Berman, you name it. There should be a line at his door of people apologizing to him and his family. This treatment is disgusting.
It seems the analysts and draft experts have far over stepped their boundaries. Kiper sounds like he thinks he should be given control of the draft and just hand players out. I’ll get off the soap box now. But this is out of hand.
^^^^^^
I stay away from BSPN and their biased unprofessionalism.
I watched NFL Network for the draft instead of that crap BSPN. At least Mayock and those guys were semi professional compared to the predictable biased BSPN idiots who have no credibility.
April 29th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
daze…
you are getting more and more pathetic… I wrote:
—”so true, thats why it was so important for us to get a runstopping MLB, and/or DT…
I read Raji, is the packers starting NT… *sigh*”—
sands should be a runstopper, he showed us he is not i gave him a year, beacuse of his mothers death, but last season he should have stepped up…
Kelly can only stop the run as DE, not as a DT…
Morrison CANT stop any run, so yeah WE NEEDED A RUNSTOPPING MLB AND/OR A RUNSTOPPING DT!!
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your wasting your time brethren….
April 29th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Another neat tidbit:
Maersk Alabama crew member sues employers
A Maersk Alabama crew member, Richard E. Hicks, filed suit in Texas yesterday against his employer, Waterman Steamship Corporation and Maersk Line, Ltd. for “knowingly sending him into pirate-infested waters near Somalia without adequate protection.”
Richard Hicks’s attorney, Texas personal injury lawyer Terry Bryant, says the ship owners “knowingly exposed their employees to imminent danger and took no steps to provide appropriate levels of security and safety for its employees.”
“Waterman Steamship Corporation and Maersk Line Limited chose to rely on the United States Military and taxpayers to provide after-the-fact rescue operations,” said Bryant. “This choice caused substantially more cost and risk to human life than what would have been incurred by Defendants had they provided appropriate levels of security in the first place.”
April 29th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Morrison is not moving from MLB. Kelly is not moving from DT. Bush is not moving from RB.
here are the only notable position changes:
McQuistan, Johnson & Wilson are all trying out at guard.
Sulak & Norris are trying out at OLB.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Kelly, Sands, and Warren all had OK seasons last year. No superstars, but they were not the problem on this defense. Every lineman gets beat, just like every CB gets beat…but on runs outside the box, even when our DE’s (or a LB) held the edge, the LB’s whiffed on a TON of plays. Not all the time, but many, many crucial plays went down exactly that way — 2-yard gains that bust for 35-yds (and then “we” scream at the safety for blowing the tackle).
The run-stopping LB we need won’t be whiffing so much — he’ll be in the spot he needs to be in. Now, we gotta find him, because Morrison should be somewhere outside to use what he’s best at using — his speed. And his enthusiasm…go Kirk.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
England,
It’s not My Method!! But I do it.
Read before the class, read after the class and take notes, and study the notes before finals.
Also, its very important to interact in the class.
Very simple.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Thank you 408.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
DKnight007
Good post.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Damn DHB for being such a good guy. DAMN HIM! He knows how to get you to like him ya know? He had 4 freakin QB’s in 3 years. I can see how that would be difficult. Well…Hopefully Jamarcus will be our only QB and hopefully these guys can build some chemistry. I like who he is as a person based on his interviews and theres nothing like being able to appreciate your best players instead of knowing they’re A-Holes. I think Crabtree can and may just be a great player with the Niners but I’m very happy with DHB and I hope he can play well for his sake and for ours.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
408…
so true, but its funny =)
April 29th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
408RAIDER Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
SnB Defense
thats hella old school…
das my isht son….
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They really brought it……
April 29th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Under-the-radar Raider ready for impact!!!
This is a great read on Michael Mitchell Check it out.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&id=4110782
April 29th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Walter’s angling for pre-camp release?
April 29th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Waterman Steamship Corporation and Maersk Line Limited chose to rely on the United States Military and taxpayers to provide after-the-fact rescue operations,” said Bryant. “This choice caused substantially more cost and risk to human life than what would have been incurred by Defendants had they provided appropriate levels of security in the first place.”
LMN,from a legal standpoint,what is your opinion???
April 29th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
When DHB makes a play, it looks like he could be an instant star at any level — some of his catches are spectacular, and most are impressive. DHB has ALL the tools, and has a great chance to become a great WR.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
40 Cases on the 27th. 64 Cases on the 28th.
U.S. Human Cases of Swine Flu Infection
(As of April 29, 2009, 11:00 AM ET)
States
# of laboratory confirmed cases
Deaths
Arizona 1
California 14
Indiana 1
Kansas 2
Massachusetts 2
Michigan 2
Nevada 1
New York 51
Ohio 1
Texas
16
1
TOTAL COUNTS 91 cases 1 death
April 29th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Yes, LMN — Give us your opinion of your company’s position, and of maritime law.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Yes Raider O I am truley sorry your princess does not feel good,per ear infection.When I was 3 I had my tonsils taken out and have NEVER had an ear infection
April 29th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Al Davis loved Cliff Branch’s dirty drawers.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
BSJ…
ehhhh what? your first post…
—”GET AN ESCORT FROM THE U.S. NAVY.”— i didnt know USN had an escort service, but if I use them I surely will use protection..
your 2nd post, obviously he’ll sue, he is an american, its easy money, whats great, the captain does not sue, and he thanked for what Mr. Møller has done for him and his family…
furthermore, it was Mearsk line, the subsidiary of APM, i have nothing to do with them, they mostly run smaller ships, I DO have something to do with their Cargo… and most companies just/only does what is mandated…
April 29th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Ok OakGlenn we get it. You think Rob Ryan is a great DC. You and 3 others think this! How could you have hired Rob Ryan you probably dont even have a job yourself. Go ahead and dig up old posts you have nothing else to do.
lol
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So now mistaclown claims to know more than Eric Mangini. Actually clown, Mangini has been in the league for 15 years, and on the staff of teams that won three Super Bowls. And now you know more than he, Lerner, and Kokinis do combined. We knew you were fat and stupid, but fat, stupid AND arrogant??? And you’re laughing?? I guess we can add clueless to your list of fat and stupid and arrogant.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
4eva…
to be honest, dont know much about it
April 29th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
LMN says:
Romo was sick, never liked him, but MM would gain all my respect if he ended Javons career, he have had tooo many chances, and i hate seeing him in SnB…
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Is this how you got your job, LMN? The guy at the other bank of monitors didn’t suit you, so you went over there and took him out with a sucker-punch? That’s what team player’s do, you know.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Yes, LMN — Give us your opinion of your company’s position, and of maritime law.
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woaw, you got new material LOL, get a life, btw, you never got back on those last two post, where I commented on you shyt =)
April 29th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Mike Mitchell
“And people like me have always had to hear about how we played at small schools where the competition was weaker. But I do know one thing: If people don’t respect me now, I’m going to get that respect at some point.”
Given how Mitchell came into the league, the odds favor him making good on that promise.
(Man…I sure hope he shows everyone, myself included.)
April 29th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Bob Marley:
Thanks for post#84.
Interesting.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
So LMN,if cargo ships only do what is mandated,only changes will be made from this day forth.So said company cannot be held legally responsible.Thank you,as maritime law is very interesting 2 me :=)
April 29th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
LMN says:
Romo was sick, never liked him, but MM would gain all my respect if he ended Javons career, he have had tooo many chances, and i hate seeing him in SnB…
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Is this how you got your job, LMN? The guy at the other bank of monitors didn’t suit you, so you went over there and took him out with a sucker-punch? That’s what team player’s do, you know.
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yeah, mostly, he had 72 monitors and I only had 64, so i punched him, said to my boss “GO, RAIDERS” he concurred and kicked the JAX fan out… more or less thats how it happend
April 29th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
# 4evaRaider Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
So LMN,if cargo ships only do what is mandated,only changes will be made from this day forth.So said company cannot be held legally responsible.Thank you,as maritime law is very interesting 2 me :=)
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dont quite follow, but yeah, if the Law changes, its mandated, then the companies will follow..
April 29th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
4eva…
as an analogy, when cars started to have seat belts, most didnt use them, but when it became the law, most did…
April 29th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Oakglenn now that the trolls are gone I see MistabrownNose has to shove his head firmly up his own behind so he can act like the missing trolls we were all wanting to be rid of.
Keep up the good posts Oakglenn I enjoy them.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
howdy nation,
these analysts with their ridiculous draft grades are doing my nut in. if i have to read one more post-draft article/blog/comment harping on about our players being chosen simply because of “raider speed”, i may very well explode. the self-anointed ‘analysts’ keep banging on about it as if none of the other 31 teams in the league want fast players. the last time i checked, being able to move your legs quickly counts for quite a lot in the sport of football. argh.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Jerry, Maybe the biggest loss doesn’t have to be a negative.
Our biggest losses from last year could be Kiffin and Ryan-both positives.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
LMN — Stop making these illogical and silly comments, and I’ll stop hammering you…
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
BSJ…
./.
your 2nd post, obviously he’ll sue, he is an american, its easy money, whats great, the captain does not sue, and he thanked for what Mr. Møller has done for him and his family…
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Why the shot at all Americans, LMN? We all don’t sue just because we can — and the captain might prove that. At least you only use one alias, but you’re still two+faced.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
MistaBrown and Oakglenn should be on ESPN Classic with all of their Boxing matches. Just your friendly neighborhood entertainment from 2 Raider fans.
I’m serious. You 2 should meet in the parking lot at the Coliseum. We can pick an area and all meet up and watch it go down.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
4eva…
what really is interesting, is why does rest of the crew dont follow suit?
April 29th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
BSJ…
ehhhh what? your first post…
—”GET AN ESCORT FROM THE U.S. NAVY.”— i didnt know USN had an escort service, but if I use them I surely will use protection..
your 2nd post, obviously he’ll sue, he is an american, its easy money, whats great, the captain does not sue, and he thanked for what Mr. Møller has done for him and his family…
furthermore, it was Mearsk line, the subsidiary of APM, i have nothing to do with them, they mostly run smaller ships, I DO have something to do with their Cargo… and most companies just/only does what is mandated…
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LMN, the primary mission of the US Navy is to protect (escort) ships that are flagged American. As I pointed out at the time, Maersk could have simply asked the Navy to escort the Alabama through the area. This protection is the huge benefit of paying extra to get a ship flagged here, and the Navy recommends it.
If I read the CEO statement correctly, he said that this would now be company policy: “…in certain instances when force protection is government mandated, the Group will work with and comply with government instructions.”
April 29th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
LOL. Problem is mistabrown couldn’t last 8 seconds before he would be all tired and vomiting. He is the fattest thing on record, and I’ve been to the Serengetti.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Daze…
bwahaha and you are not? LOL, no you at least a regular
cerberus with milkteath, and maybe even more heads =)
it must be hard for you now that you only has one moniker =)
April 29th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
LMN, I trust you picked up on the sarcasm of my earlier insults as well…
April 29th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
4eva — It’s not that simple…whether at sea or on land…when at work, one has a reasonable expectation of being kept safe…if the employer does not keep the crew safe, they very well may be liable…the awesome captain went against Maersk et al “code” when he fought back against the hijackers…may have even broke code training his crew how to do it once the ship was boarded.
The company/s will settle the suit for far less than they’d lose otherwise — but it’s still be big $$’s. Will the sailor get another job if he wants one? Drama everywhere…
April 29th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Cable has made some comments about the importance of “character” when drafting players. What about Cable’s character? Example:
In your Tuesday chat, at 1:24 pm, you stated that “CABLE laid the blame for the run defense at the feet of Rob Ryan.” If Cable has character, shouldn’t he have backed Kiffin when Kiffin tried to get Rob Ryan fired? It appears, Mr Character, Cable, kept his pie-hole shut.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
KUHARICH CANNED IN K.C.
Posted by Mike Florio on April 29, 2009, 1:46 p.m.
The overhaul of a front office that generated six wins in the past two seasons and no playoff wins during tight end Tony Gonzalez’s entire tenure with the team continues.
Gone is V.P. of player personnel Bill Kuharich, according to BobGretz.com.
Gretz writes that Kuharich is the seventh front-office employee to be terminated this week.
But none of it is unexpected. And the Chiefs aren’t hiding behind trumped-up notions of a bad economy. The Chiefs have been a bad team, winning six games in only two years. The fans and the media want improvement, and improvement doesn’t just come from getting better players — it comes from getting rid of the people responsible for bringing in the crappy players.
(Have we fired any front office personnel over the last 6 years?)
April 29th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Raiders sign UFA Jerome Boyd, LB, Oregon State.
Heres film of him sacking USC’s Sanchez.
http://raiderbeat.com/?p=2205
April 29th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
BSJ…
I can only say, what I know from my boss, as I have done all the time…
We asked the Navy, the USN replied there were no need for protection, if they kept a certain distance to shore, the USN were another place at the time with bigger concerns…
the crew did NOT keep the distance to the shore the USN had told them to have, to shorten their overall travel distance, many plausible reasons for this, they may have been late, they wanted to save fuel, a crew gets bonus for using less fuel and get there on time, or they missunderstood the order from USN…
All I can say is the USN did a fantastic job to rescue the captain, the captain really was great AFTER he was captured – AND the Captain did NOT file a suit!
April 29th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
UFA class up to nine
The Raiders have added Tennessee State wide receiver Chris Johnson and Oregon linebacker Jerome Boyd to the class of undrafted free agents, which now stands at nine.
And you thought the Raiders had yet to sign a Chris Johnson to the roster (note to Raiders: Tom Cable has twice acknowledged the re-signing of your cornerback. NFLPA records have his contract up. His agent confirmed it. Johnson himself confirmed it in January. Feel free to post it at any time on the transactions page).
(But I digress).
Here’s what a Google search tells us about the two:
Johnson, listed at 6-2 and 180 pounds, was TSU’s leading receiver and punt returner the past two years, according to the Tennessean, which first reported the signing.
For his career, Johnson had 127 catches for 2,155 yards and 12 touchdowns.
Boyd signed with the Raiders today, according to raiderbeat.com. According to his school bio, Boyd is 6-2, 217 pounds and owner of the fastest 40 time by a Ducks linebacker (4.33) seconds. Injuries are an issue, apparently.
For a full list of confirmed signings, click on our Undrafted Free Agent tracker.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
LMN, I trust you picked up on the sarcasm of my earlier insults as well…
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all the euro mus1im stuff? yeah I assume it was just to get my attention… if not, daaaaayum! =)
April 29th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Kelly, Sands, and Warren all had OK seasons last year. No superstars, but they were not the problem on this defense.
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Kelly is the 2nd highest paid DT in the NFL. He was the highest paid until Haynesworth’s deal. Shouldn’t he dominate? Sands and Warren are paid above the average rate for NTs….should they not dominate or play above average as well.
There is no ducking this one. Those three have to man up to their contracts. Cable said as much. He said that better coaching and teaching will do the trick.
I hope they don’t have low expectations. Shouldn’t the goal be a top 10 defense?
April 29th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
4eva…
what really is interesting, is why does rest of the crew dont follow suit
LMN,it could be a couple reasons,imo
1.The Captain has NOT filed suit.
2.As you said,and this is prolly the crux of the matter,Cargo ships do whats mandated,and prolly not an ounce more.I believing,as such,changes 2 security laws will be changing and since the company did what was mandated,no criminal or civil laws were broken by the companny.Man doing big business is about 2 become waaaay expensive,imo
April 29th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/stats?playerId=1122
Hollis Thomas (DT) got released by the Saints. Hes 35 but hes a big mofo. I say we relase Terdell Sands and sign this guy as a short timer since we should get more production out of him.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
LMN — Stop making these illogical and silly comments, and I’ll stop hammering you…
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
BSJ…
./.
your 2nd post, obviously he’ll sue, he is an american, its easy money, whats great, the captain does not sue, and he thanked for what Mr. Møller has done for him and his family…
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Why the shot at all Americans, LMN? We all don’t sue just because we can — and the captain might prove that. At least you only use one alias, but you’re still two+faced.
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well, its plain fact, you and especially texas (might be wrong here) has most civil suits per capita, no country is near you, in fact I believe just one state of suits, covers most other countries…
it IS easy money (if he wins) I cant blame him, had i been an american I most likely had done the same (if I knew we acted up to code)
and again I never said ALL americans, I said BECAUSE he is american…
April 29th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Let’s hope Ladanian, Sproles, Larry Johnson, Knowshon, Willie Parker, Brian Westrook, Marion Barber, Julius Jones, Brandon Jacobs, and Willis Mcgahee get the swine flu
April 29th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
LMN (with the most important job in the world!) — I’ve been around this blog for years — two IP addresses and two names (this one for the past 5-years). My posts are fairly easy to spot — they’re loaded with well-thought-out and usually correct information, much more objectively thought through than you could hope to manage. Don’t fall asleep at your monitors.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Based on the draft and the undrafted rookies coming in, John Marshall is seriously looking for a Strong Outside linebacker. FINALLY!
April 29th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
4eva…
true, very true… but what from my standpoint is very interesting is, that many merchant marine countries tried to upgrade the protection in that area, and that could only happen with the support of the USA, at the time there “was no need” i might add this was during Bush and Chenney…
Now, when piracy finally has reached the attention for the general american AND a government change, this will go much more smoothly…
April 29th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
4eva — It’s not that simple…whether at sea or on land…when at work, one has a reasonable expectation of being kept safe…if the employer does not keep the crew safe, they very well may be liable…the awesome captain went against Maersk et al “code” when he fought back against the hijackers…may have even broke code training his crew how to do it once the ship was boarded.
But 2 make that argument,they would HAVE 2 prove the Captain of the vessel was derilect in his duites
April 29th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
I’m really surprised John Marshall hasn’t brought his Strong Outside Linebacker starter in LeRoy Hill to the Raiders for a visit. Hill could help the Raiders because we need someone good at the position and he knows Marshall’s Defense and could help in assisting on the field.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
LMN (with the most important job in the world!) — I’ve been around this blog for years — two IP addresses and two names (this one for the past 5-years). My posts are fairly easy to spot — they’re loaded with well-thought-out and usually correct information, much more objectively thought through than you could hope to manage. Don’t fall asleep at your monitors.
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yeah you an oak alright =) *chuckle*
oh dont forget you are the almighty judge of who is and who isnt a fan….
April 29th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
SnB — Over the years, you learn money paid doesn’t necessarily translate into players meeting super-high expectations.
Kelly’s only going to be as good as he’s going to be — just like Gallery is (which is mighty fine now, thank you). Doesn’t matter how much Kelly made last year — he (or his position) still wasn’t the biggest disappointment on the Raiders defense.
April 29th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
anyone here up for a snack??
http://img.ffffound.com/static-data/assets/6/2f76a2b816b78feccce2d0b2b4fc7bb3465014ee_m.jpg
April 29th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
inonewordraider Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Let’s hope Ladanian, Sproles, Larry Johnson, Knowshon, Willie Parker, Brian Westrook, Marion Barber, Julius Jones, Brandon Jacobs, and Willis Mcgahee get the swine flu
Thats way 2 easy,I HOPE
Mike Mitchell beats the fukkin living sh!t out of em YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
April 29th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
daze…
btw, how much have your boyfriend earned per pass catched?
oh while we ad it, how much have your mistress Kelly earned per run stopped…
oh and how about your loverboy, Sand?
April 29th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
LMN, that dog has the look Lance Kiffin had at his head coach intro press confrence…
April 29th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
LeRoy Hill
2008 Scouting Report – Scouts Inc.
Grade: 72 | Key
Alert: None
Comment: Hill is a very athletic linebacker has the kind of speed that allows him to be effective as a blitzer or take-on defender. He has played both the strong side as well as the weak side in his career and gives Seattle a lot of flexibility in its linebacking corps. He has excellent instincts, does a great job of locating the level of the ball and flowing to the play. He is active and consistently ends up near the play at the whistle. He has an explosive pop to him when he makes the tackle and can consistently put the ball carrier on his back.
He generally does not stay blocked for long, which is more due to his athleticism than his ability to step up and take on blockers. He is a little undersized and can struggle when matched up on some of the bigger tight ends. He is improving, but still needs to work on his ability to control blockers with his hands and show a quick burst off the block to make the play, as he escapes. He can run himself out of plays when he tries to run around or avoid the block. He gets good depth in his pass drops and can mirror most tight ends on vertical routes or combination routes underneath
April 29th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
# Henry Lawrence Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
LMN, that dog has the look Lance Kiffin had at his head coach intro press confrence…
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bwahahahha, true =) regular ‘deer in the headlights’ situation
April 29th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
yo jerry sup with the fix????
April 29th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
anyone here up for a snack??
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LMN!!!
bUT YOU’RE RIGHT HENRY,DOES KINDA LOOK LOKE KIFFY
April 29th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
liKe
April 29th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
LMN — I’ll point out your two+ faces every time they show, just like i do with all the multi-personalities in here.
Don’t float (get the pun?) your hypocrisy, and your changing/multiple stances on subjects, then follow it with your self-righteous anti-American philosophy…
…and I’ll let it slide.
Stick to what I once thought was your innocent naivete about football (and the West), and I’ll back off.
April 29th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Raiders key lose? That easy, Lane Kiffin. Because thats when the Raiders got out of the cellar under Cable by blowing out the team that blew them out earlier in the season under Kiffin.
April 29th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
24…
please forget him…
all this good-characters, Cable has going, does not bode well for Leroy.. he knows our DC and if he wanted him, you should expect him to heal him in as soon Seattle released him…
April 29th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Mike Mitchell beats the fukkin living sh!t out of em YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
And Frantz Joseph 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
SnB — Over the years, you learn money paid doesn’t necessarily translate into players meeting super-high expectations.
Kelly’s only going to be as good as he’s going to be — just like Gallery is (which is mighty fine now, thank you). Doesn’t matter how much Kelly made last year — he (or his position) still wasn’t the biggest disappointment on the Raiders defense.
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What is the disappointment on the defense?
Also, by spending all that money on Kelly/Warren/Sands, it ties up the money available for the defense. The defense has one BIG-TIME playmaker on defense…that guy being Nnamdi Asomugha…
The rest of the players on defense are just a bunch of guys to this point.
Hopefully it was a scheme issue with Ryan. Hopefully Marshall can turn it around.
Otherwise, the opponents on our schedule are going to pound the rock and eat up the clock
April 29th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
LMN — I’ll point out your two+ faces every time they show, just like i do with all the multi-personalities in here.
Don’t float (get the pun?) your hypocrisy, and your changing/multiple stances on subjects, then follow it with your self-righteous anti-American philosophy…
…and I’ll let it slide.
Stick to what I once thought was your innocent naivete about football (and the West), and I’ll back off.
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Bwahahahaha still clapping your own back, man you are fond of you self…
1st, does the west only conclude USA? or is just california?
a self appointed policeman, nice, a minuteman, bwahahah you are more pathetic today than you are when you usually eat all the crap, the Alameda crew serves you…
April 29th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
408…
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=52868399&albumID=833745&imageID=700796
April 29th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
MaddenRedneck Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Raiders key lose? That easy, Lane Kiffin. Because thats when the Raiders got out of the cellar under Cable by blowing out the team that blew them out earlier in the season under Kiffin
Excellent post!!! Cant get no truer than that
April 29th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
408…
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=52868399&albumId=833745
April 29th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
408..
it was a band I listen to when I was a teen… Geronimo… hope you noticed the hood/hat, dont quite know what thats called…
April 29th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
LMN
as I said b4 you’re wasting your time….
April 29th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
dammit, I truly need a snack now =)
April 29th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
408…
can you see the photos this time?
April 29th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
# 408RAIDER Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
LMN
as I said b4 you’re wasting your time….
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yeah, true, but whats really sad is im wasting YOUR time =)
April 29th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
408…
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=52868399&albumId=833745
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where is da music???
April 29th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&id=4110782
good read on mitchel
April 29th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
LMN — I hate the political talk in here, and you throw it around like this was a Newsweek forum. Then, your self-promotion is gagging.
Now, you’re already on record as saying the draft was ruined, and Al blew it. But, your memory fails you when confronted with facts — and when one or two of these guys (especially Matt S.) shows they can play at this level, you’ll be proclaiming how you always knew they could do it (you’ve already tried to back-off your earlier statements).
Hypocrite.
April 29th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
LMN
ufck the haters…..
April 29th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
408…
http://www.myspace.com/geronimodk
April 29th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
408…
was it the ducks who beat Sharks? then EFff them too =)
April 29th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
yeah ducks can suck 1…..
April 29th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
I know its been posted but damn!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KF2-_OXoA
April 29th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYH2X2GNSr8&feature=related
April 29th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
4evaRaider Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
anyone here up for a snack??
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH LMN!!!
bUT YOU’RE RIGHT HENRY,DOES KINDA LOOK LOKE KIFFY
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Put a Skirt on him and you got it nailed.
April 29th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
408, i think i jsut saw one of the 3 guys he ktfo cold in college on that run to the right.
April 29th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0e4yTwmHyc&NR=1
more….
April 29th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
I hope this kid pans out!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Mitchell hardly seems to do much to knock ‘em down. And boy do they go down.
I think he did 22reps of 225 if I remember
The guy is strong and dominant.
April 29th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
ESPN Bias and the Oakland Raiders
Lord knows the Raiders don’t need me to defend them against the ‘Bristol buffoons, otherwise known as ESPN–nevertheless, after reading and watching most of their NFL Draft coverage, (on the internet too) espn.com, it needs to be pointed out ESPN has a blatant bias toward the ‘Silver and Black.
This is not a recent phenomenen. It goes back several years, and while much of the ESPN criticism is legitimate, much of it would be far more credible if the characters in this little story didn’t have such an obvious vendetta against the Oakland football contingent.
Let’s begin with the Raiders’ selection of Darrius Heyward-Bey as their first-round draft-pick in the NFL draft.
The selection drew almost universal derision, from ESPN’s draft analysts to the NFL Network’s contingent. That’s not the point, nor the story here.
ESPN’s core football team tonsils, including lead analyst Chris Berman, draft honcho Mel Kiper, ex-NFL player Keyshawn Johnson and Steve Young all lamphooned the pick. Chris Mortensen did everything but a five-minute stand-up comedy act in response to the Heyward-Bey selection. That’s not surprising given “Mort’s” previous dealings and reporting of everything Raiders.
From a football standpoint, the pick was indeed curious, but maybe the Raiders and Al Davis know something we don’t know. Maybe we all know more than they do–who the hell knows? It’s the NFL draft, mind you, where pundits and “experts” make a living out of telling all of us how great said player is and isn’t, and so on and so on, but again, that’s not the deal here.
ESPN has never been a friend of the Oakland Raiders and when I say “friend”, I’m not talking “buddy-buddy” friendship/camaraderie.
I’m speaking more about the premise of credibility. Berman’s love affair with the SF 49ers and Giants is notorious. He’s even mentioned it several times in interviews on the network itself. The “Raiduhs” shtick was cute about ten years ago, but Berman continues to think it’s funny, a la, “back-back-back”. He’s never been a particularly objective guy when it comes to Oakland, and his partner on “Countdown”, ex-NFL player, Tom Jackson, was a former Denver Bronco. Jackson didn’t work the draft, but his anti-Raiders bias is well-known and documented. In his playing days, he once refered to John Madden as a “fatman”.
Mortensen is in a league by himself. His distaste for Al Davis and the Raiders organization has been legendary, but when it gets to the point where it affects his reportings, then there’s a credibility issue. After all, “Mort” supposedly is deemed by ESPN as an “NFL reporter/’insider”. His “commentary” is, for the most part, first-rate and fairly accurate, but he needs to strengthen up the “objectivity” box in his Raiders file because no one takes him seriously when he opines about the Raiders.
To be fair, I’ve taken shots at the Raiders over their on-field relevance, (or lack there-of) and some of those shots were valid. The coaching antics. The perpetual losing these past six years. Mr. Davis’ recent lack of football finesse. The whole shebang. But I’m a commentator, (for the most part) and most certainly don’t have the cachet of an ESPN–we all know that; but does ESPN? The “World-Wide Leader”? When it comes to the reporting of the Raiders, nope.
April 29th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Jackson to Madden:
It’s all over fat man.
April 29th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
While DHB was a “reach” at #7, I would be willing to bet (big shock I know) that one of the guys in the top 6 taken ahead of him will be a much bigger bust. I see DHB having at least a couple 1,000 yard seasons and being inconsistant but productive.
If Sanchez is a flop, which is highly likely, you think ESPN will admit how stupid they looked with their man-crush on him on draft day? I doubt it.
April 29th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
yo Vegas….
I like the new kid
April 29th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
WAtching Mitchell he is not just hitting people he is de -cleating them . They are flying 4 yrds in the air when he makes contact. Talk about all madden….. booom!
April 29th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
At the very least, Al has us all “intrigued” with his first two picks.
We got a freak talent at WR, with some of the best measurables any WR has had coming out of the draft of late.
Than we got a Safety with only about a dozen plays of video absolutely crushing people, but that’s all there is on him.
I know I will be much more excited to watch the kids play in preseason than in years past.
April 29th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
While DHB was a “reach” at #7, I would be willing to bet (big shock I know) that one of the guys in the top 6 taken ahead of him will be a much bigger bust. I see DHB having at least a couple 1,000 yard seasons and being inconsistant but productive.
If Sanchez is a flop, which is highly likely, you think ESPN will admit how stupid they looked with their man-crush on him on draft day? I doubt it.
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Exactly! Thats why they are BSPN….the bulls**T sports network!
April 29th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
LMN:
How many did United win by?
April 29th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
LFS
the thing I like is he makes it look effortless….
April 29th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
408,
Wouldn’t one of those hits be a nice little introduction to the AFC West on Matt Cassell?
April 29th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
In an interview with Jeffrey Chadiha of ESPN.com, Mitchell makes it clear that he’ll use the second-guessing to fuel his work ethic.
“I definitely have a lot of motivation,” Mitchell told ESPN. “Some people basically said I wasn’t a good football player from the minute I got drafted. … I know teams like Chicago and Cleveland were interested in me, and I appreciate that they were willing to draft me regardless of what other people were saying.
“But now that the Raiders have given me a shot when nobody knew anything about me, I really feel like I have even more to prove. If people thought I was working hard before the draft, just wait until they see me after it.”
I can’t wait to see this guy in Silver & Black
April 29th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
I love it that ESPN clowns us, it’ll only make our playoff appearances for the next 5 years that much sweeter
April 29th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Have you ever had a group/gang of friends you ran around with, but knew if you got in a tight spot they did not have the GUTS to back you up? So when you were with them and the air got too thick, ya knew ya needed to get the fu(k out, QUICK cause these clowns couldn’t/wouldn’t throw down with ya???
I bet thats how Michael Mitchell will feel when he gets on the field! Who is gonna back him up?? Sapp would have, Regan Upshaw would have, Rod Coleman would have, D Russ would have, Romo would have, he!! even Gannon would have tried. But who do we have in this group that has the nuts to get after the other team the way we should, the way Tatum and Hayes did?? The way Michael Mitchell will????
So I ask you, who do we have with nutts?
April 29th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Vegas
better yet that lil b1tch LT!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
It wasn’t that the draft coverage didn’t like our picks, it was the way the completely mocked us on the first two picks.
However, no mocking of the Lions, with a million holes on the team, coming off a winless season and even more spotty recent draft history than us, taking a QB (???) giving him $41 million guaranteed, and really not improving the team this year.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
LMN:
Never mind. 1-0
April 29th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
It’s only spring and ESPN has every Raider fan ready to burn down the network, What do you think its gonna be like come Monday night in Sept?
April 29th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Raiders uber alles!
April 29th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Henry,
I think Kelly and Warren got some nuts, even though they can’t stop the run, they both got a little “mean streak” in them at times. Mitchell is going to have to lead the charge, and maybe that’s what the D needs to get them out of their caves.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Henry,
I think Kelly and Warren got some nuts, even though they can’t stop the run, they both got a little “mean streak” in them at times. Mitchell is going to have to lead the charge, and maybe that’s what the D needs to get them out of their caves.
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Kelly, no way!! Warren very little, Sands does, but won’t do it alone. OO might be the meanest guy on the field.
So who else????????????????
April 29th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
How many anti-espn signs are going to be at opening day and how many will they actually air?
“Hey ESPN mock this!!!”
“Mitchell never heard of Mike Mayock either”
“#7 is a good spot to pick a pro-bowl WR”
Just a few off the top of my head, I’m sure the nation will be pretty creative.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
can anyone tell me why I keep having to sign into the site everytime I turn off my computer?, Never had to do that before
April 29th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Lorenzo Lynch
April 29th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Henry,
We kind of have a “nice-guy” D, with Kirk and Nmamdi leading the charge. So Mitchell is going to have to be the physical presence.
Maybe Slade Norris can emerge, don’t even know if he will make the team, but Slade Norris is a pretty “mean” sounding name.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Henry Lawrence Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Have you ever had a group/gang of friends you ran around with, but knew if you got in a tight spot they did not have the GUTS to back you up? So when you were with them and the air got too thick, ya knew ya needed to get the fu(k out, QUICK cause these clowns couldn’t/wouldn’t throw down with ya???
I bet thats how Michael Mitchell will feel when he gets on the field! Who is gonna back him up?? Sapp would have, Regan Upshaw would have, Rod Coleman would have, D Russ would have, Romo would have, he!! even Gannon would have tried. But who do we have in this group that has the nuts to get after the other team the way we should, the way Tatum and Hayes did?? The way Michael Mitchell will????
So I ask you, who do we have with nutts?
April 29th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
hate to say it but espn was right that draft was horrible
April 29th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
what good is a 70 yard bomb if you cant catch the ball
April 29th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
that guy on the {1st} hit…he thought he was going for a long gain
….he was out cold after that,what a hit lol
im not expecting Mitchell to start, but it would be great if he does..
April 29th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Henry,
We kind of have a “nice-guy” D, with Kirk and Nmamdi leading the charge. So Mitchell is going to have to be the physical presence.
Maybe Slade Norris can emerge, don’t even know if he will make the team, but Slade Norris is a pretty “mean” sounding name.
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What do you think Ray Lewis’s thought would be if he had to play on this defense??
April 29th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
shouldn’t your 1st and 2nd pick be for sure starters?
April 29th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
For the record…when I did my mock draft last week I had the following
1.Crabtree 2.Brace 3.Mitchell..and to be honest, I was going soley off the u tube video that we’ve all seen by now. (I saw it after the sf chronical reported his visit), What worries me though is that In that whole video where does he make a fundamentally sound tackle?..any tape of that??–IF the bIg hit isnt there? can he make a tackle..?
April 29th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
get some front 4 like he told baltimore
April 29th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Henry,
We kind of have a “nice-guy” D, with Kirk and Nmamdi leading the charge. So Mitchell is going to have to be the physical presence.
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Nice don’t win games!! Putting the other team in check does!!
April 29th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
# Henry Lawrence Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Have you ever had a group/gang of friends you ran around with, but knew if you got in a tight spot they did not have the GUTS to back you up? So when you were with them and the air got too thick, ya knew ya needed to get the fu(k out, QUICK cause these clowns couldn’t/wouldn’t throw down with ya???
I bet thats how Michael Mitchell will feel when he gets on the field! Who is gonna back him up?? Sapp would have, Regan Upshaw would have, Rod Coleman would have, D Russ would have, Romo would have, he!! even Gannon would have tried. But who do we have in this group that has the nuts to get after the other team the way we should, the way Tatum and Hayes did?? The way Michael Mitchell will????
So I ask you, who do we have with nutts?
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tyvon branch?
April 29th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
The draft was horrible because Al doesn’t know how to play it. The players we got aren’t bad at all, DHB was at least the 3rd WR, and maybe 2nd best WR coming into the draft. Mitchell was a reach in the second round, but we did trade down, picked up a 4th, and turned that 4th into someone who was supposed to be a second-rounder anyway (Murphy).
O-line was addressed through FA, and I bet DT will be addressed via camp casualties from other teams and a few other FA’s. Still nowhere near a complete team, but they did improve the WR position dramatically, added a TE and a few edge rushers, as well as a boom-or-bust S. I’m cool with it (for now).
April 29th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
ireallydontwannabafan Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
get some front 4 like he told baltimore
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No he would say where’s the BEEF!!
April 29th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Have you guys seen this?? The worst part about this ESPN clip is that DHB and his family are sitting there watching the whole thing right before the interview takes place. Totally unprofessional on Cris Carter’s part if you ask me.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4100600
April 29th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
# ireallydontwannabafan Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
hate to say it but espn was right that draft was horrible
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go be A whiner fan then…
April 29th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
REPOST…I NEED AN ANSWER
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to be honest, I was going soley off the u tube video that we’ve all seen by now. (I saw it after the sf chronical reported his visit), What worries me though is that In that whole video where does he make a fundamentally sound tackle?..any tape of that??–IF the bIg hit isnt there? can he make a tackle..?
April 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
vegas raider Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
How many anti-espn signs are going to be at opening day and how many will they actually air?
“Hey ESPN mock this!!!”
“Mitchell never heard of Mike Mayock either”
“#7 is a good spot to pick a pro-bowl WR”
Just a few off the top of my head, I’m sure the nation will be pretty creative.
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BSPN….not ESPN…
April 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
16yearsold16yearfan Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
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tyvon branch?
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Maybe very little, only if he knew the rest of the team had real nutts!
April 29th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
I bet Thomas Howard would throw down
April 29th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
BK Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Have you guys seen this?? The worst part about this ESPN clip is that DHB and his family are sitting there watching the whole thing right before the interview takes place. Totally unprofessional on Cris Carter’s part if you ask me.
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4100600
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We should send this in to the program director of BSPN and tell him exactly why what Carter did was unprofessional!
April 29th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
if that was me i would have called them out and my mom would be mad too she would probly get on camera and cuss them out
April 29th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
For the record…when I did my mock draft last week I had the following
1.Crabtree 2.Brace 3.Mitchell..and to be honest, I was going soley off the u tube video that we’ve all seen by now. (I saw it after the sf chronical reported his visit), What worries me though is that In that whole video where does he make a fundamentally sound tackle?..any tape of that??–IF the bIg hit isnt there? can he make a tackle..?
^^^^^^
I thought something like that was going to happen also….
April 29th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Many experts panned the Oakland Raiders’ 2009 draft overall, but one diamond in the rough could well be defensive end Stryker Sulak, who was chosen in the sixth round.
The 6-foot-4, 251-pounder from Missouri is a three-time All-Big 12 pick who led Division I with six forced fumbles in 2008 while leading the Tigers in sacks with 10.5. Sulak, who ran the 40 in 4.77 seconds at the combine, finished his senior season with 55 tackles, 15.5 tackles for loss and as second all-time at Missouri in sacks.
Sulak is an aggressive defensive end whose size will help him adjust to outside linebacker in the NFL. He relishes one-on-one matchups against competitive lineman and has a gift to create turnovers with his ability to get around the edge of offensive tackles quickly.
“Every play, I’m thinking about trying to get the ball out. If a guy is standing up or if a quarterback is running with the ball out, I’m just thinking about getting that ball,” Sulak said.
With his natural instincts, size and intensity to diagnose plays, Sulak is able to shed blocks and make tackles. His range enables him to chase down running backs and passers trying to escape the pocket. One of the most intriguing aspects about Sulak is his potential is at the next level.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
DHB has handled the whole situation with nothing but class. Makes it pretty easy to root for the kid to succeed.
Mitchell seems to have a little more fire in his belly, going after Kiper the next day. Nothing wrong with that, need a fiery guy on D, and a solid hard-working producer on O. Let’s hope we got both.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
4evaRaider Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
I bet Thomas Howard would throw down
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This is another guy that will “run as far as the pack”, but that is it.
Who is gonna Instigate the action, who is gonna get up and say “this is my house”!! You ain’t doin sh!t today boy!!! You get any fu(kin ideas about comin over that line and I am gonna FU(K you up little B!tch!!
Walk to the line, look the QB right in the line and say, I”M KICKIN YOUR AZZ ALL DAY TODAY!!! Then walk over to the LT, and say you shoulda called in sick boy, I’M GONNA MAKE YOU MY B!TCH
April 29th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Have you ever had a group/gang of friends you ran around with, but knew if you got in a tight spot they did not have the GUTS to back you up? So when you were with them and the air got too thick, ya knew ya needed to get the fu(k out, QUICK cause these clowns couldn’t/wouldn’t throw down with ya???
I bet thats how Michael Mitchell will feel when he gets on the field! Who is gonna back him up?? Sapp would have, Regan Upshaw would have, Rod Coleman would have, D Russ would have, Romo would have, he!! even Gannon would have tried. But who do we have in this group that has the nuts to get after the other team the way we should, the way Tatum and Hayes did?? The way Michael Mitchell will????
So I ask you, who do we have with nutts?
Let’s just run onto the field my man, we have nuts
April 29th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
the new kid has heart!!!! I already love this guy…
April 29th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Hell yeah Henry we need to make sure there are no puzzy’s on the squad. Who’s willing to get tossed from the game if momentum changes toward the opponent, now THAT’S a character guy
April 29th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Your G@D D@MN right I got nutts, it make me so mad when I watch these candy azz players we have!
April 29th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
henry lawrence maybe that should be you
April 29th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
lets hope Sulak can contain because Thigpin killed us last year,scrambling around
April 29th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
wat happened to the guy we had who punched somebody in the nuts a couple years ago
April 29th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
come on Jerry make up somthing we need a new fix…
April 29th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
inonewordraider Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Hell yeah Henry we need to make sure there are no puzzy’s on the squad. Who’s willing to get tossed from the game if momentum changes toward the opponent, now THAT’S a character guy
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You mean like what Gibril did in Buffalo? That didn’t work out so well and may have cost us the game. There is a fine line between sending a message and being an idiot.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
16…that was brayton and he started for Carolina last year.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
inonewordraider Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Hell yeah Henry we need to make sure there are no puzzy’s on the squad. Who’s willing to get tossed from the game if momentum changes toward the opponent, now THAT’S a character guy
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Take a look how Romo played, every down… WHO CAN I FU(K UP THIS TIME!!
Lyle Alzato style.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
LOL baby Dee
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9Sv7YGAcyw
April 29th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
16yearsold16yearfan Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
henry lawrence maybe that should be you
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I am not good enough!
That’s what Gruden said anyway!
April 29th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
I think Ricky Brown would throw down.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
alisgod Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
16…that was brayton and he started for Carolina last year.
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Yep, and that was weak, and cheap!
April 29th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Think Mike Tyson in pads!!
April 29th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
If things don’t work out with Cable, I could see Gruden coming back because Gruden has never bashed Al Davis and those 2 made it work and Gruden knows this. Now I hope Cable gets it done and is great for he next 15 years but if not…come on Gruden.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
I am really intrigued at the thought of Tyvon Branch at FS and Mike Mitchell at SS.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Regan Charles Upshaw (born August 12, 1975 in Berrien Springs, Michigan) is a retired American football lineman who played in the National Football League between 1996 and 2004. He was selected by the Tampa Bay Buccaneers in the first round of the 1996 NFL Draft out of the University of California, Berkeley.
Upshaw was known for his outspoken personality and he proclaimed himself the “Modern Day Gladiator”.
In high school, Upshaw played for the Pittsburg Pirates (Pittsburg, California), helping defeat the previously undefeated De La Salle in the 1991 NCS championship game played at the Oakland Colesium. The final score was 35-27. This was the last defeat De La Salle suffered before setting a national high school record of 151 continuous victories. Upshaw, who did not play football until his sophomore year at Pittsburg, was a Parade All-America as a senior. He chose the University of California and by his junior year was named All-America.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers selected him with the 12th pick overall in the 1996 NFL draft. He later played for the New York Giants, Washington Redskins and the Oakland Raiders. According to his family, Upshaw is currently a contractor in the Washington, D.C., area.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
gnite NATION :=)
April 29th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Raider fans, you criminal element of the league, bless you all for your brashness, ribaldry, gruff attitude, and dirty black clothes. Hammer away at the weak, at least in this arena of football. No souls shall survive but the very best. If you ain’t died for football, and believe me Raider fans have died more that any race of cats, then you are nothing but dead meat. Eat a steak for me on Sunday, boys & girls. Don’t leave off the fat, either. It has the best taste
April 29th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
I see the game of football as alive. I want the animal that breathes, snorts and spits. Statisical skelatons are great for archaeological arguments. Put me in a parking lot with food and beer and fans of the team the Raiders are playing, that is what I want. That is alive. The game’s beginning makes me Pavlovically salivate. The event as an animal, as animated, and as having soul. That is football for me. What other team in the NFL ever had a squad named anything close to the old nickname of the Oakland defensive backfield–
The Soul Patrol
April 29th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Sorry about the rant.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Tyvon Branch
Overview
Despite his impressive 40 time and success as a kick returner, Branch struggles changing directions. An instinctive, physical defensive back, Branch is best suited to playing cornerback in a two-deep scheme or making the transition to free safety. A team leader, Branch was responsible for the secondary calls from his cornerback position – a role usually reserved for safeties.
High School
Earned second-team All-State honors…Named second-team All-Central New York and second-team All-Area…Saw action at both tailback and outside linebacker for the Northstars…Won the 2004 National Indoor Track Championship in the 60 meters (6.82)…Named the Gatorade New York State Track Athlete of the Year…Finished first in the state in both the 100 and 200 meters as a senior…Has run a 10.60 in the 100 meter dash.
4.31 40 Yard Dash, 19 Bench Reps
April 29th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
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Seahawks coach Mike Holmgren said that starter Brock Huard, who was replaced in the second quarter, was the more seriously injured. “He’s not quite sure where he is,” Holmgren said. “He’s talking and will fly back with us. I’m not exactly sure when it happened. He hurt himself in the first quarter and then he was doing some strange things doing.
“Jon Kitna got dinged, too, but it wasn’t as severe. . . . Jon was able to play and remember rudimentary things. He could run some very base formations, things like that. It wasn’t as severe.” Holmgren said that guard Pete Kendall, “got dinged too.”
The Raiders’ only injury was running back Tyrone Wheatley, who suffered a “neck stinger.” X-rays were negative and both Wheatley and Raiders coach Jon Gruden said he is expected to play Sunday in San Diego.
SPREADING IT AROUND: For the second week in a row, nine different Raiders caught passes yesterday. That is a sharp contrast to the early season and last year, but “getting other receivers involved” has become a sore subject with both Gruden and quarterback Rich Gannon.
“You guys are killing me with all these `involvement’ questions,” Gruden said. “We’re trying to win the game. . . . I really don’t give a damn about the stat sheet. I’m conscious of it, and I want everybody to do well. But I am really just trying to win the game. And I apologize if one guy has two catches and one has not enough runs. We’re happy to win.”
But the fact is that after not catching passes for two straight weeks, tight end Rickey Dudley caught one yesterday and James Jett, who had not scored a touchdown since last Oct. 24, grabbed one yesterday.
“I don’t decide who gets the ball,” Gannon said. “I just try and make my reads and my progressions. He just happened to be the crosser on that route, he came flying out of his cut and he was wide open. He made a great play and a great run after the catch.”
Dudley had not had a reception the previous two games, caught two yesterday and was open on another route earlier in the game. “I know he was open,” said Gannon. “But I just didn’t see him.”
BEST LAID PLANS: Jon Ritchie wanted to keep the details under wraps: “We might use it next week.” But Napoleon Kaufman ratted him out: When Wheatley flung the ball against the upright after his 80-yard touchdown run, it was supposed to be Part I of a planned celebration with Ritchie.
The way it had been choreographed, the next time he scored Wheatley would spike the ball on the upright, Ritchie would catch it and then spike it on the ground. “They practiced it all week,” Kaufman said. “One time, Jon went to spike it, and the ball went boing-boing — it hit him right in the face.”
It didn’t misfire that way yesterday; Ritchie just never got his hands on it. “The ball went straight to the ref,” Ritchie lamented. “Kind of ruined it all.”
FANS: Brisk walk-up sales brought the final announced attendance to 57,490, the Raiders’ second-biggest crowd of the season but still short of a sellout. The team’s newest local television blackout streak is now two games. “Hey, look at the A’s,” defensive tackle Darrell Russell said. “They’re one of the top three teams in the league, and they were drawing 7,000 a game. We can’t worry about it. All you can do is play.”
FINALLY: In the season’s seventh game, cornerback Eric Allen got his first interception of the season, picking off Huard at the Seattle 21 in the first quarter. He ran off the field waving the ball joyfully. “The first one is the most difficult one to get; I’ve had one or two bounce off my hands,” he said. “But the interception led to seven points (Tim Brown’s first touchdown reception four plays later), and that’s what’s best, when the turnovers are turned into something.” It was the 48th of Allen’s career, fourth best among active players; it was also the furthest into the season he’s gone without a interception in his three years as a Raider.
MISCELLANY: Gruden was unhappy the Raiders were called for 10 penalties, including a couple against tackle Matt Stinchbomb for lining up incorrectly. . . . The Seahawks had a 70-yard run by Ricky Watters called back because of a holding penalty.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
For those that don’t know…10.60 in the 100 meter dash is awesome. I’m a really fast guy and I ran the 100 at 11.53. My 40 was in the 4.6 range. Branch would have made me look like a little girl.
But hey damnit…thats not bad for a 5′7 1/2 white boy ok? Haha.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
the plain and simple truth is that draft guru’s like Mel Kiper and Mike Mayock are not real player personnel decision makers. Neither is Todd Mcshay. Some of these clowns even had the gull to state they had never seen tape on Mitchell but they had him graded at… 123 best safety in the draft. how do you grade someone who you never actually scouted?
They were unprepared to talk about a player that had drawn heavy interest in the weeks leading into the draft. Did the raiders draft him early: yes. Was he going to be an drafted free agent… clearly not. The talking heads were embarrassed and they had to defend their lapse in preparation.
I wanted the Raiders to draft OT Jamon Merideth from South Carolina in the 2nd. He is athletic and runs fast making him a natural selection for the Raiders zone blocking scheme. All the scouts had Merideth being drafted in either round 2 or 3. He was listed in god father Gil Brandt’s Hot 100 as a top 50 player.
if the raiders would have drafted Jamon at #47 that would have been a slam dunk because of the position, system fit, and draft grade or ranking.
The Raiders passed on Jamon three more times and he ended up being drafted by Green Bay in the 5th. Mitchell would have probably been off the board in the fifth to Cleavland or Chicago in an earlier round, and the Raiders would have drafted a player that the real experts had rated as a late round pick.
Let the real personnel execs make the picks and don’t take too much stock into what the talking heads say because they are not the ones who get fired if these picks don’t hit. The heads will be back with their opinion either way in next years draft…. sort of like Al Davis except at least Al has to sign the checks to his busts where the heads just act like they never thought the player was any good to begin with.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
WHO CARES WHAT EVERYONE ELSE THINKS? Since when have the Raiders ever cared? Lets move and hope that these guys can become Pro Bowlers while everyone else becomes nothing. Lets focus on winning the games before we worry about what player did this or what player did that. We’ve gone 6 straight losing seasons. Lets try beating the Chargers and if we get a Pro Bowler somewhere out of it, great, if not, winning the division is more important.
Fuk Kiper, Fuk Mayock, Fuk them all. They will never like us so lets not give them the satisfaction.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Don’t yall miss this????
Raiders tip their black hats to Stewart
Monday, December 04, 2000
By Dejan Kovacevic, Post-Gazette Sports Writer
The Oakland Raiders chew quarterbacks up, spit them out, point to the heavens and dance.
Nothing personal.
It’s just how they do business.
Kevin Henry takes down Raiders quarterback Rich Gannon in the second half Sunday. (Matt Freed, Post-Gazette)
“Our approach as a defense is to get to the quarterback as quickly as possible,” defensive tackle Darrell Russell said. “I wouldn’t say we’re out there trying to knock quarterbacks out of the game, but that’s happened.”
On eight occasions this season, to be precise.
That’s how often the Raiders had knocked opposing quarterbacks out of the game or out of that team’s next game.
Which is precisely why they were applauding the gritty performance of Kordell Stewart after the Steelers edged the Raiders, 21-20, yesterday at Three Rivers Stadium.
They thought they had him rubbed out early.
With 5:30 left in the first quarter, Russell and defensive end Regan Upshaw combined for a crushing hit on Stewart — Russell up high and Upshaw down low. Both with great force.
“I got hurt myself,” Upshaw said. “It knocked the wind out of me.”
Stewart was fine, bouncing back to his feet.
On the next play, though, he completed a pass to Hines Ward and took another low shot, this one from defensive end Lance Johnston. Stewart finished the drive, then left with a sprained right knee and gave way to Kent Graham.
“This turf was cold and hard, and we hit him a couple of times really good,” Russell said. “We saw him go out, but we weren’t like, ‘Oooh, we got another quarterback.’ We were just like, ‘All right, let’s concentrate on this other guy.’ ”
The Raiders concentrated well. They teed off on Graham, who moved as if he were carved from marble, sacking him three times and returning an interception for a touchdown.
“No offense to Graham,” Oakland linebacker Greg Biekert said, “but he just can’t make the plays Kordell can.”
Stewart returned to start the second half, a development the Raiders insisted was no shock.
“He’s a great athlete, a tough guy,” Coach Jon Gruden said. “We expected he’d find a way to come back in the ballgame.”
“He went down a few times, he was hurt … I thought he was out of the game,” Upshaw said. “But he came back. My hat’s off to him.”
“Hey, it’s his job. This is football,” Russell said. “If you’re a quarterback and you don’t think you’re ever going to get hit, then why are you out there? That was his attitude, I think. He just went out there and played football.”
He did it well.
On the Steelers’ first possession of the second half, Stewart burst out of the backfield after a brief fumble and ran for 17 yards, capping the drive with a touchdown pass to Mark Bruener.
“Right off the bat,” Biekert said, “you could see he wasn’t exactly thinking about the knee.”
And early in the fourth quarter, in the game’s defining moment, Stewart tiptoed around left end for a remarkable 17-yard touchdown run.
Along the way, he left three defenders grasping at air and several Raiders gasping at his talents.
“That was really big,” Oakland quarterback Rich Gannon said. “That’s a very athletic guy.”
“Kordell Stewart’s going to make you miss,” Gruden said. “He can make you look bad sometimes in the open field. He’s a great runner. He made some unbelievable plays, even when we felt we had him penned in.”
Stewart wound up with 33 yards on three runs, and he completed 14 of 23 passes for 136 yards.
And, for what it’s worth, he was able to earn the grudging admiration of what just might be the NFL’s nastiest defense.
Defensive tackle Grady Jackson recorded six tackles, a sack and a forced fumble.
He was asked what more the Raiders could have done to stop Stewart, and he shook his head several times before replying.
“We did what we usually do,” Jackson said. “But Kordell stepped up. You’ve got to give it to him. He got it done.”
April 29th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
16yearsold16yearfan Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
if that was me i would have called them out and my mom would be mad too she would probly get on camera and cuss them out
=======================================================Your mom sounds like a good strong woman… be looking for you at the opener
April 29th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
I don’t like when receivers wear the #12 or anything like that. To me, those are QB numbers. I don’t like how that looks on WR’s.
April 29th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
CRACKRAIDER Says:
The best part of this video is at the end when AL Davis Flips off the Camera saying F u to all you Haters hahahah
http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d8100c928
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I didn’t notice that, Al flipping someone off! I like the old Geezer a whole lot more now. I’ll imagine it was Shanahan.lol
April 29th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
The Mad Stork used to drive offenses crazy by lining up wherever he wanted or deemed best. Now we will have a whole defensive front driving offenses into tantrums and timeouts. Imagine the worry of a quarterback when he realizes that he has no idea of Chester’s whereabouts! We better do the communities of other NFL teams a favor and collect a fund to purchase some “Depends” so their gun-slingers don’t soil their pretty little uniforms on national television. Anyone have experience in creating such a fund?
April 29th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
24,..youre such an idiot,..”,..oh,..oh,..I dont like it when a wide receiver wears 12…”,…”oh,..oh,..Im a 5′7″ white guy….”,..why dont you just shut the f*ck up and quit embarrassing yourself in here you bitch.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Nice Norco.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
That is what we need on the field.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
chill bob…
April 29th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
G@D D@M man, it’s been a rough cycle, ya know.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Crank it up BOB!!
April 29th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Chill nothing,..Im still pissed….FU all.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
kinda off subject but went to my local comcast today and told them to cancel NFLN she told me that she got an e-mail saying they MAY have reached an agreement with the NFL so wait until May 1st….so there is still hope
April 29th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
you weren’t chearing when brayton need that dude? you weren’t chearing when Gibril punched that Buffalo Bill guy? We had the lead, that shoulda fired us up and we shoulda kept it! If you weren’t cheering when it happened then I don’t know what to say
April 29th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Jesse Hester
Dokie Williams
Willie Gault
Alexander Wright
Rocket Ismail
James Jett
Darrius Heyward-Bey.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Bob your two question on Jerrys Q&A yesterday was a class act keep up the good work charger fan
April 29th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Hollis Thomas is only listed at 6′. Sounds small for a DT.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
# Norco Bob Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Chill nothing,..Im still pissed….FU all.
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LMAO
cant we aLL just get a bong???
April 29th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Paver,,,f*ck the nfl network,…rich eisen is a typical Joo boy tv host,..I hate that bitch,…I never watch that crap from them,..Paver how about stop calling comcast and snivlin but instead send them a letter bomb,..man up punk.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
408…
LOL…
on another note, why do people here always bring up “small white dude”, the americans ive met are huge! =) *chuckle*
April 29th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Paver, come to my tailgate in D lot, or my seats in section 127 and call me a charger fan,..say goodbye to your loved ones though before you do it,…will go to prison happily to rid the world of a puusssy like you.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
Norco Bob – Go to Hell.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
La Mary Negra,…living in that last white run 3rd world country suits you…comin in here with a smiley face and a chuckle,…why dont you just post that pic of you in a dress while youre at it. la mary bitch.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
ohh welll
Raider O, hope your kid is doing better tomorrow…
April 29th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Narco Bitsh,
I’ll stop by, you little wenger.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
♫ The Number Of The Beast ♫
April 29th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
24 , no prob punk, Iv been in Hell since the draft. but as for you, quit acting like a woman in here….if you need to act like a woman go to a niner blog punk.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Me and brien are waiting for you kell. youre the one we want to stop by the most.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Norco Bob – I understand you’re on your period. Take a Midol Whore!
April 29th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Norco Bob Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Paver, come to my tailgate in D lot, or my seats in section 127 and call me a charger fan,..say goodbye to your loved ones though before you do it,…will go to prison happily to rid the world of a puusssy like you.
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I’d love to come over Norco, you can buy me a beer.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
LMN…
hey we like red meat….
April 29th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Norco Bob Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Me and brien are waiting for you kell. youre the one we want to stop by the most.
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Be sure and bring your slutty assez mammy.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
3rd world country???? WHAT? we top all the lists, at least top 5…
you live in country that reminds more of some nation in africa than any of the western part… maybe if traveled some you would know more, not just what you see in your steven segal movies or whatever junk you see…
April 29th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Hah…You would need Brien with you to help you in your fights.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
there are two kinds of raider fans,..the fans like me, brien, and all my other people at the coliseum,..then theres the puusssy bitch blog fans,…and you all know who you are,..good night losers.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Norco Bob Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
24 , no prob punk, Iv been in Hell since the draft. but as for you, quit acting like a woman in here….if you need to act like a woman go to a niner blog punk.
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I hear ya Bob.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
yo bob I’ll stop by with a 4 blunts and a bottle of Patron… I love my NATION…
April 29th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Hah…Norco Bob says there are 2 fans. The people at the coliseum and the b!tch blog fans yet hes here on the blog starting fights with people? Hahahahha. Stupid Mother Fuker.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Little wannabe blog gangbangers are too funny.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
yo LMN…
WTF?? dont judge us all by what one angry guy says… Thanx…
April 29th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
KK
LOL we can all be internet killers if we wanted to…
April 29th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
It amazes me how one Raider fan can go to other Raider fans and start sh!t. Why don’t you take your anger to a Bronco blog instead of talking sh!t to your fellow Nation? Idiot!
Why would I want to go to Raider games and be surrounded by fans like that?
April 29th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
yo Huff
its not even like that @ the games its all love… Well yeah ther is some drunk asses but the get delt with…
April 29th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
At least I’m real. I am who I say I am otherwise I’d be some 6′6 260lb dude who’s a 5th degree black belt and I fight in the UFC and I’m also a millionaire.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
dont 4get the hott chicks…
April 29th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
# 408RAIDER Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
yo LMN…
WTF?? dont judge us all by what one angry guy says… Thanx…
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you know I dont, but calling us a 3rd world country when mine one of the best run countries in the world is just uneducated…
April 29th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
408 – I hear ya. Its always cool when I go but there are definately exceptions.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
where the ufck is happy troll when we need him???/
April 29th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
LMN – The truth is…America is cocky. To us, everyone seems like a 3rd world country. Thats not a knock on your country, thats just the pride of ours. I’m more humble than most.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Narc
Say’s we’re all losers for visiting a Raider blogs. Yet’ he’s here everyday.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Boob has never been to a game in his life.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
all good LMN….
tough skin member???
April 29th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
408 – Whats your take on the Sharks? I say we finally trade Thornton, Marleau and Cheechoo because I honestly don’t see them changing their ways. They’re too passive and we need more aggressive.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
HEY L M N , IS THERE A FOOTBALL BLOG AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE ?
April 29th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
24 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
LMN – The truth is…America is cocky. To us, everyone seems like a 3rd world country. Thats not a knock on your country, thats just the pride of ours. I’m more humble than most.
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Yeah, those are the dummies who’ve never been out of the country. If they had they’d know better.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
tough skin member?
I dont get it?
April 29th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
24
my take is they dont play with the toughness needed 2 succeed in the NHL playoffs… Im so pissed off and ufck Nabby… thats right I said it…
There now I feel a lil better….
April 29th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
KoolKell – I’ve never been out of the country but I certainly respect other people until I’m disrespected and thats on an individual level. I don’t hate a country over one particular person because we’re all different and we shouldn’t judge so quickly.
Besides, those dummies would go to another country and talk even more crap about it because they have a tendency to find wrong in everything they do. Thats their nature.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Lmn
thick skin..??? you once told me that one needs thick skin to participate on this blog… U (re)member… member???
April 29th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
408…
yeah I do, but as 24 said “pride” you are not the only one who has it =) LOL
April 29th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
pride will get you dead…
1 NATION!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
# DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
HEY L M N , IS THERE A FOOTBALL BLOG AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE ?
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sorry dirtlot, sometime you just have to defendyou self when around uneducated people…
Im heading for the bed now, so, the floor is yours.. and sorry again…
April 29th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Night all, take care! see you in 7 hours time…. if my boss will let me =)
April 29th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
408 – 2 Things I noticed. The Sharks don’t play as a cohesive unit. They don’t play as a team. I saw one Shark skating up the ice all by himself with the puck and getting taken over by 3 Defenders. Our players try to take the puck all the way down to score by themselves. Then, when they have chances, they just shoot the puck at the net instead of using skill and teamwork to get the puck into the net. On top of that, our players looked drunk compared to the speed of Anaheim.
Its hard to put all the blame on Nabakov because our players were out of position so many times that it left him vulnerable to easy shots and he isn’t invincible. Hiller played great because his team was always smothering the Sharks. Think of Nabakov as Jamarcus Russell and the 5 guys on the ice as the Offensive Line. Nabokov’s offensive line kept allowing the outside rushers to come in and get sacks on him.
April 29th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
WAS A GENERAL STATEMENT L M N , NOT POINTED AT YOU…
April 29th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
dirtlot…
well it has a certain degree of truth in it….regarding me… and point taken, but im not offended =)
take care =)
at least, N o r c o, split too….
enjoy, the talks, ill read up on them in the morning =)
April 29th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
night LMN…..
April 29th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dse-_DBgKrs&feature=sdig&et=1241023797.52
April 29th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
neeed some inspiration ??
http://www.blinkx.com/video/game-on-raiders-football/kGu-fUUQmXHOxK_xS7rcww
April 29th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
what do you guys think of the DT just cut by the Saints
April 29th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
408 – Those Patriot girls were hot. I don’t discriminate when it comes to women.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Hellsbells – There was Brian Young and Hollis Thomas. I’m all for signing Thomas because hes still playing well at 35 but it would have to be a 1 year deal. Whatever gets Terdell Sands out of here.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
24 I agree. At least he gives constant effort. Could be a few more cuts so maybe we should not jump the gun. Sands just sucks.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Maybe Green Bay dumps one of their smaller DT since they are changing to a 3-4. Not sure of his name think it is Justin Harrel. Guy never got started up there. Might be cap cut.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Nah…The Pack will need as many Defensive Lineman as possible while they transition. They need to see if these guys can pan out over the course of the season.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
****Jerry Come on Man be fair, that is bull*******
Look now I am not Bengals fan even if I do live in OH (thank you for your sympathy). I have nothing but rage for these guys after they took out Bo Jackson in another one of their loosing seasons. But lets give credit where credit is due! The Bengals took every player we wanted as prospects for the Raiders. With out being able to really predict these things I think they had a good draft and should at least get a B grade. They met their needs and if we took Andre Smith, Mauluga, and Johnson we would be dancing in the freaking streets butt @$$ necked wearing Raider eye patches. Instead of scratching our heads and asking why? Why? Why? I can’t say if we had a good draft or bad draft because I don’t really know much about any of these guys besides DHB. I have to be honest man, I would trade straight up with the Bengals 2009 picks in a minute. They got some serious prospects in this draft man. Even if they all end up back home in three years it would be hard to bad mouth their 2009 draft picks.
Cincinnati: Receiving critical praise because of landing offensive tackle Andre Smith (No. 6) in the first round, linebacker Rey Maualuga in the second, defensive end Michael Johnson in the third, etc. … But these are the Bengals. Something always goes wrong. Grade: C+
April 29th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
hey . we got good defensive tackles . theres nobody out there left .
April 29th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
****Jerry Come on Man be fair, that is bull*******
Look now I am not Bengals fan even if I do live in OH (thank you for your sympathy). I have nothing but rage for these guys after they took out Bo Jackson in another one of their loosing seasons. But lets give credit where credit is due! The Bengals took every player we wanted as prospects for the Raiders. With out being able to really predict these things I think they had a good draft and should at least get a B grade. They met their needs and if we took Andre Smith, Mauluga, and Johnson we would be dancing in the freaking streets butt @$$ necked wearing Raider eye patches. Instead of scratching our heads and asking why? Why? Why? I can’t say if we had a good draft or bad draft because I don’t really know much about any of these guys besides DHB. I have to be honest man, I would trade straight up with the Bengals 2009 picks in a minute. They got some serious prospects in this draft man. Even if they all end up back home in three years it would be hard to bad mouth their 2009 draft picks.
Cincinnati: Receiving critical praise because of landing offensive tackle Andre Smith (No. 6) in the first round, linebacker Rey Maualuga in the second, defensive end Michael Johnson in the third, etc. … But these are the Bengals. Something always goes wrong. Grade: C+
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Let me add they actually had the draft I thought we were going to have under Cable. Now maybe Cable and Al know something we don’t but those picks would have been sweet on our team. All three of those guys we were talkign about taking at 7 in the Raider nation.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Are you calling Terdell Sands good?
April 29th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
we could have had big Rey. He and Mitchell would have made us very tuffup the middle
April 29th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
No…It was either Maualuga or Mitchell and I guarentee that Mitchell was higher on the Raiders Draft Board than Maualuga was.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
I understand but we could have traded and still got both of them.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Could have, should have, didn’t. Al Davis does it his way and if he truly wanted Maualuga, he would have made it happen but the truth is…Maualuga doesn’t exactly fit what Al Davis usually looks for so its all a pipe dream.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Taylor Mays and Mitchell is going to be a a great saftey combo. Talking about laying the wood
April 29th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Who do you think will be our LT. Hope it is Henderson so Barnes can play on the right side. Think Barnes would be a very good right tackle. Also I think Cooper is going to have some stiff comp. for that right guard spot.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
Hah. Well hopefully the Raiders will be good enough not to have another Top 10 pick. With that said, Taylor Mays will probably go in the Top 5 and if Mitchell AND Branch pan out this next season or we have a Wild Card in Eugene or Huff, then I don’t see Al Davis trading up to get Mays but being that hes a Safety, theres always a possibility.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Al would pull a Jets move to get Mays. Dude has Al Davis pick written all over him. 230, 4.29 speed.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
I think the Offensive Line will go like this…
LT – Henderson
LG – Gallery
C – Satele
RG – Carlisle
RT – Barnes
Henderson played well and despite Barnes wanting to be the LT for the next 10 years, he played worse than Henderson last year. I personally like Carlisle. Hes our best offensive lineman at this point with Gallery coming close at 2nd. Carlisle brings stability that everyone else has struggled to achieve and theres a reason Carlisle was signed to a 5 year extension. He’s not getting replaced.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
That line would work for me. Huge upgrade on right side. Barnes can run block his butt off, and would fare much better against the LDE.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Well…I can’t deny that. If Al Davis traded up for anybody, it would be that guy but you’d think Al Davis would have drafted Sean Taylor instead of Robert Gallery in 2004 as well. Who knows?
April 29th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
The important thing regarding our line would be the depth. Cable would know better than I but I would suspect it would look like this…
LT – Erik Pears
LG – Paul McQuistan
C – Chris Morris
RG – Marcus Johnson
RT – Cornell Green
April 29th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
got to get to cooking, see you guys later. Stay up 24. Nice opinions. Hope thats right my spelling sucks.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
The Raiders lost a chance to upgrade the “O” line with Monroe or or the “D” line with Raji. The Chefs keep drafting the guys we should have and pretty soon they will be a better team if not already. Sure hope not.
April 29th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Hellsbells – Adios!
April 29th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
I was definately torn between Monroe and Crabtree but I had that feeling where I knew we weren’t going to pick either one. Monroe would have been the smartest choice but the same thing was said about Gallery once upon a time so we’ll see.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Sup yall? Lol my boy Bob was causing havoc earlier I see.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Henderson appeared to play well the last three games of the year but I do not think he is athletic enough to play LT. The last three teams were not the Steeler’s defense. In the last three games, Henderson was aided by the scheme that Cable ran, which was away from his side most of the time. Whats more, on the 3rd down pass plays where JR dropped straight back, the DEs swung wide in their roundhouse fashion and all Henderson had to do was push them further outside. The DEs never used any rip, swim or spin moves.
The #7 draft pick should have been Monroe.
At least the second pick in Mitchell was a real need and he should be a difference maker. The only other pickup I like after Mitchell was Frantz, the walk on MLB. He may be slow but he brings a ton on contact.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
wow i think i got Dorco bob mad
April 29th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
I just have a hard time with guys coming here a talking $hit and still say there fan
April 29th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Raji upgrade the Dline lol. Never
April 29th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Damn being a fan. Im not a fukin fan.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Damn D Wade is tearing the Hawks D up in the 3rd qtr. 4th qtr should be fun
April 29th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Let’s see now. First Norco Bob states that he won’t be at the stadium for this season’s games, but he’ll buy the tickets anyway, and then call security all game long to make sure no one’s sitting there. Now he’s picking fights and telling people to find him AT THE STADIUM DURING THE GAMES HE SAID HE WOULDN’T BE AT.
Then he wishes DHB a fiery airplane death. and announces that he’leaving this blog and never coming back. Then he comes back, makes anti-semitic comments, and flames everyone.
Two lies for the price of one. I am impressed.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Is the War over?! Did we win?!
April 29th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
# doriangray Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
hey . we got good defensive tackles . theres nobody out there left .
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What good DTs are there on the Raiders roster? Do tell.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
# RaiderDuck Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Let’s see now. First Norco Bob states that he won’t be at the stadium for this season’s games, but he’ll buy the tickets anyway, and then call security all game long to make sure no one’s sitting there. Now he’s picking fights and telling people to find him AT THE STADIUM DURING THE GAMES HE SAID HE WOULDN’T BE AT.
Then he wishes DHB a fiery airplane death. and announces that he’leaving this blog and never coming back. Then he comes back, makes anti-semitic comments, and flames everyone.
Two lies for the price of one. I am impressed.
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Sounds like I need to scroll up and do some reading. I could use a good laugh.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
This draft is driving some fans insane!!!!
It’s not the End of the World, Al, or the Raiders!!!
What’s the worst that can happen, a few busts!!!
As if we are not used to that, or it doesn’t happen often in the NFL!!!!
People, it’s the Draft. You know!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Now that he’s had a year to fully recover, Kelly should be a good DT (damn well better be, for what he’s making). Warren can be dominant for game or two at a time (then disappears completely for the next several — think Benoit Benjamin). And Terdell…well…he’s big, and had a good season three years ago…
April 29th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
What’s up R8.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Just drink more KookAide, smoke more, and everything will be just fine.
You know!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Ha! Norco Bob is a gangsta, I see. Goofy bastard.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Bob is pissed due to all the losing with bay area teams. I told him we still gna be a better team. He will be at the games.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
not much, how was your day
April 29th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Mad Road Dog Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Henderson appeared to play well the last three games of the year but I do not think he is athletic enough to play LT. The last three teams were not the Steeler’s defense. In the last three games, Henderson was aided by the scheme that Cable ran, which was away from his side most of the time. Whats more, on the 3rd down pass plays where JR dropped straight back, the DEs swung wide in their roundhouse fashion and all Henderson had to do was push them further outside. The DEs never used any rip, swim or spin moves.
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In Hendersons defense, yeah he didn’t play the Steelers, but he did play the Texans, the Bucs, and the Patriots which are still a great test on a player. Your points are valid and so are these. How many False start penaltys did Mario give up and how many sacks? Mario Henderson will be the LT on game day.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
I have to stop posting ” you know”, it’s getting old, and I’m starting to say it. lol
April 29th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
# RaiderDuck Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Now that he’s had a year to fully recover, Kelly should be a good DT (damn well better be, for what he’s making). Warren can be dominant for game or two at a time (then disappears completely for the next several — think Benoit Benjamin). And Terdell…well…he’s big, and had a good season three years ago…
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Kelly was a crap DT before he got hurt. Being healthy now isn’t going to make any difference. If he was ever going to be a starting caliber player, it would have happened by now.
Warren has never had a “dominant” game. Just like his entire career, he’ll make 2 or 3 really nice plays in a season, and be a liability the rest of the time.
Terdell is a waste of oxygen.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Im curious to see how the new wrinkles at D effect the run game. Sands/Warren have stunk at NT
April 29th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
Bob is pissed due to all the losing with bay area teams. I told him we still gna be a better team. He will be at the games.
======================================================= We all wil Brien….i understand being pi$$ed at the draft and losing for so long but ufck i never thought a fan would turn on this own like that…. i stick up for the RAIDERS right wrong good or bad…..to me thats a fan of the NATION
April 29th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
It’s good bro, thx for asking.
I was reading more on the top 3 WRs in this draft, and I’m really sold on DHB.
I also think it was the best pick for us at 7.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
# IndianaRaider Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Mad Road Dog Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Henderson appeared to play well the last three games of the year but I do not think he is athletic enough to play LT. The last three teams were not the Steeler’s defense. In the last three games, Henderson was aided by the scheme that Cable ran, which was away from his side most of the time. Whats more, on the 3rd down pass plays where JR dropped straight back, the DEs swung wide in their roundhouse fashion and all Henderson had to do was push them further outside. The DEs never used any rip, swim or spin moves.
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In Hendersons defense, yeah he didn’t play the Steelers, but he did play the Texans, the Bucs, and the Patriots which are still a great test on a player. Your points are valid and so are these. How many False start penaltys did Mario give up and how many sacks? Mario Henderson will be the LT on game day.
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Good thing Oakland drafted him. He wouldn’t even make the roster on a good team.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Kelly was a crap DT? No he was an average NT if you remember 2006. The hate for TK is crazy. Sands sucks and Warren is a UT
April 29th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Im curious to see how the new wrinkles at D effect the run game. Sands/Warren have stunk at NT
======================================================= If that wrinkle means knocking heads at the POA im all for it
April 29th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
# Brien the General 510 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Im curious to see how the new wrinkles at D effect the run game. Sands/Warren have stunk at NT
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Warren is an oversized 3 tech. He’s not cut out to be a NT. He’s a NT about like Brayton was a LB. Yet, Idiot Al refuses to fix the defense’s biggest hole.
It’s strange to want someone you’ve never met to die, but I’m busting out the champagne when he does finally kick over. Maybe the team will have a chance then.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
with DHB coming from a run first offense in college he is used to doing the small things to win meaning blocking ect not just looking for the ball 30 times a game.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
# Brien the General 510 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Kelly was a crap DT? No he was an average NT if you remember 2006. The hate for TK is crazy. Sands sucks and Warren is a UT
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Kelly’s only useful season was as a rookie when he was the NT in nickel packages. As a starter, he’s terrible. He’s lazy. He’s useless in run defense as an interior lineman.
The same things that caused him to go undrafted cause him to suck now. He’s not going to change. He’s not going to improve. It’s past time people, namely Al, got that through their skulls.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
DHB: 6′2 210, 40″ vertical, and sub 4.3 speed.
He played WR and LB at HS, avg 20 yards per catch, and had 22TDs in 2 yrs.
He had 3-4 different QBs at college, and was in the top 3 of all the school records for WRs.
He was the only weapon on offense which means he was double teamed a lot.
He always played on the outside facing CBs, and not in the slot against LBs and Ss.
I like this kid.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Damn the fan of the nation shyt. Bob still going to games as he has for years. I wasnt overall happy but I know beating Gruden did wonders for the franchise
April 29th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
# Raider O Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
This draft is driving some fans insane!!!!
It’s not the End of the World, Al, or the Raiders!!!
What’s the worst that can happen, a few busts!!!
As if we are not used to that, or it doesn’t happen often in the NFL!!!!
People, it’s the Draft. You know!!!
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Teams that fail in the draft fail in the regular season. That’s just the way of things. If you can’t draft, you’re not going to build a winning franchise. The Raiders are the perfect example of this.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Warren can be dominant for game or two at a time (then disappears completely for the next several — think Benoit Benjamin). And Terdell…well…he’s big, and had a good season three years ago…
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Benoit Benjamin LOL….
I am afraid Terdell Sands is on scholarship. How else can you explain passing on a NT for the entire draft
April 29th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
MR the guy is a UT not an NT. Kelly is a pass rushing DT! It takes 2 years for major knee injuries to heal. Kelly will double his sacks in 09
April 29th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Crow,
How long have you been a Raider Fan? I’m just curious sir.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
I am not a big fan of Tommy Kelly. He was paid before he produced. But in his defense, he doesn’t have anyone next to him swallowing up the double team which gives the opponent another guy to neutralize Kelly.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
MR when Al dies you will then have nada to live for
April 29th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
I am looking forward to seeing the offense this year.
as for the defense…I have such low expectations for them that anything they do next year will get praise from me
April 29th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
SnB exactly! Our choices at NT stink
April 29th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
MR the guy is a UT not an NT. Kelly is a pass rushing DT! It takes 2 years for major knee injuries to heal. Kelly will double his sacks in 09
======================================================= hopefully because that will mean a couple thing, were stopping the run, and we have the lead
April 29th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Raider O, thats MR and he hates the Raiders
April 29th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
R8, this whole season rides on Russel and his ability to lead the offense
April 29th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Sands better find the Wizard of OZ and find heart,courage and a brain
April 29th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Brien,
JR and the Oline. If the Oline can block well for him, then it’s all on him.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Brien i agree 110% i hope Hackett can take him to the next level…along with stability in the coaching staff will help
April 29th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Morrison sucks as MLB and its pitiful watching whiff every game. Send him to olb or out of Oakland
April 29th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Brien,
We have TK, Warren, Sands, WJ, and that new guy from UCLA.
I can’t see the raiders starting the season with 5 DTs on the Roster.
IMHO, Sands will be cut soon to free cap space to sign the new Rookies.
April 29th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Your right O the line Must block..we also have to remember JR is only 21 22 years pld $hit at his age all i was doing was getting drunk and chasing pu$$y not leading an NFL team….or getting paid 60 large
April 29th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
R8 the oline only worries me in the redzone. We kick too many FGs. We need TDs. Bush/Dmac will take alot of heat off Jruss
April 29th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Sands didn’t restructure his contract, and wasn’t asked to!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
The Raiders clearly draft for the big play. Whether its the 70 yard bomb, 30 yard run, QB Sack or hard hit in the secondary….its clear they draft with the big play in mind.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Cut Sands? Better pray a team cuts a real NT or it goes very ugly!
April 29th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Raider O,
The front 7 is what it is. There is no use saying any of these guys are going to do anything. We have to wait and see.
Its all on the coaches now. Cable said as much. He believes he can coach up these scholarship players…so let’s give them a chance
April 29th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
SnB, I told all yall Al was gonna reach didnt I? Told ya Craptree and Raji wasnt even on his radar
April 29th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
YOu gotta keep Sands at this point. He’s the only big body up the middle. Warren is a 3-tech trying to play the nose….
I am still disappointed they didn’t take a flier on a guy like Sammie Lee Hill or Terrence Knighton…they really need another big body in there for competition. If competition is good for Russell, Schilens, JLH, Bush, Ricky Brown and Michael Huff..
Surely its good enough for Sands. How many times has this guy not even come to camp in shape.
Time to man up
April 29th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Brien,
That wasn’t just the Oline. It was the play calling, lack of WRs, Harris, and poor reads “sometimes” by JR.
We added a few Guys to fix the Oline: Satele, Barnes, and Pears.
Also, we drafted new Talent at WR to help JR. By adding more targets at WRs, and a TE to free Miller, he can play better.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
The raiders main issue on D is 3rd down just like on offense. Good teams are good on 3rd down
April 29th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
SnB, I told all yall Al was gonna reach didnt I? Told ya Craptree and Raji wasnt even on his radar
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Oh yeah…I was humbled this weekend. Although I’ve come to embrace “The D-HB” and “Mike Mitchell” picks.
I was just disappointed they didn’t even try to get another guy in there at the NT position on the 2nd day. Draft THREE 1 dimensional pass rushers?????
That is the big issue to come out of the draft. To go through the draft and not get at least one Base DE or NT is amazing and is the big ?? of the draft…IMO
April 29th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
SnB:Hopefully Cable knows how to win games and move the chains… nothing wrong with the big play but moving the chains wins ball games…and good defense but we wont go there now
April 29th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Brien,
Crab played WR at TT only, he was a QB at HS!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
YOu gotta keep Sands at this point. He’s the only big body up the middle. Warren is a 3-tech trying to play the nose….
I am still disappointed they didn’t take a flier on a guy like Sammie Lee Hill or Terrence Knighton…they really need another big body in there for competition. If competition is good for Russell, Schilens, JLH, Bush, Ricky Brown and Michael Huff..
Surely its good enough for Sands. How many times has this guy not even come to camp in shape.
Time to man up
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iv’e been on snb’s side on this issue for awhile, i do not see how we improved on our biggest weakness, d-line, they cant hold the point of attack, cant pass-rush, and cant stretch a running play, i hope ta god cable is right and it was the coaching
April 29th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
The entire dline has zero excuses. I hope Burgess is traded. He makes me sick!
April 29th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
SnB Defense Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
SnB, I told all yall Al was gonna reach didnt I? Told ya Craptree and Raji wasnt even on his radar
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Oh yeah…I was humbled this weekend. Although I’ve come to embrace “The D-HB” and “Mike Mitchell” picks.
I was just disappointed they didn’t even try to get another guy in there at the NT position on the 2nd day. Draft THREE 1 dimensional pass rushers?????
That is the big issue to come out of the draft. To go through the draft and not get at least one Base DE or NT is amazing and is the big ?? of the draft…IMO
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according to some in here the de’s we drafted are expected to compete at lb
April 29th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
SnB,
When I heard Cable, it sounded as if he was saying it was coaching. I could be wrong, but that was my understanding.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
SnB i agree the fact we didnt get an NT or big DE concerns me
April 29th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Raider O Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
SnB,
When I heard Cable, it sounded as if he was saying it was coaching. I could be wrong, but that was my understanding.
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thats exactly what he was sayin, hope ta god he’s right or we are in for a long season
April 29th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
We drafted one dimensional DE with Shaughnessy. The other guys are getting cut.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
whats up nation didnt mean to just jump in the convo but love talking about the d-line
April 29th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
i was sayin the same thing about the de’s we drafted, called them undersized and some in here got at me cuz they said they were drafted to play lb
April 29th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
I have to agree with Cable.
Look at the Bills, Bucs, chargers, Pats, and the 1st Denver Game!!! It was all RR, and his soft , crazy, no coachind, and his lack of scheme!!!
Thank God he is out. I would be amazed if he did well for the Browns!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
didnt Cable say we would look for a d-line man later..mabe we can pick someone up after cuts…i know im reaching but….
April 29th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
87, jump on in. You are a good poster
April 29th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Raider O Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
I have to agree with Cable.
Look at the Bills, Bucs, chargers, Pats, and the 1st Denver Game!!! It was all RR, and his soft , crazy, no coachind, and his lack of scheme!!!
Thank God he is out. I would be amazed if he did well for the Browns!!!
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im so glad rr (dont even want to spell his whole name in public)is out, his schemes were ridiculous, that 1 saftey deep scheme and are lb’s always in a read and react position, no blizting at all, not even on passing 3rd downs
April 29th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
87 lack there ov
April 29th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
87,
Jump right in bro, it’s a blog.
We all have opinions, and you know what they say about Opinions!!! lol
April 29th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
It was more than Ryan. The org has a losing attitude. But that was lifted in TB
April 29th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
or lack there of
April 29th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
87, jump on in. You are a good poster
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thanx bro, barely found this blog this year, im from orange county, our paper dont have nothin like this, i love it all raiders all the time
April 29th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
The organizations losing attitude was lifted in ONE game??
April 29th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Brien attitude is 80% of a defense IMO
April 29th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Im just glad Farglass is demoted
April 29th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
LBs that don’t shoot gaps, or blitz, and read and react. That’s not Als scheme.
Al likes the front 4 to do all the dirty work, and have 7 in man to man to make plays.
I like it too, the problem is that front 4 is not doing much which exposed the LBs in man to man. IMO
April 29th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
You boys actually believe Cable is really pulling the strings? If you do I have a nice bridge to sell you….
April 29th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Aw dayum that white guy from the nuggets got hops!
April 29th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
our d-line was our most glaring weakness, ima be real, i was alright with the bey selection, but the trade with the pats when they picked up brace and we could of had him or gilbert killed me
April 29th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Hey guys Dude aka Crow aka MR is back to preach more hate for the Raiders.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Department of obtaining a “marrying” partner for Zack Miller. The Detroit Lions just released TE Michael Gaines, a blocking first TE. The Lions thought favorably enough of Gaines to sign him to a four year contract last year to the tune of 10 mil.
This could effectively free him up as a pass receiver.
As much as I would like to see the Raiders pen Leroy Hill to a contract he would be miscast in the Raiders current defensive set. Even though he has full knowledge of a John Marshall defensive scheme (now; do we really think Marshall will have carte blanche to run his defense or is he taking orders from the head guy?) he is a “WILL” LB & not a “SAM,” the position in which the Raiders currently have a vacancy.
This would also fly in the face of the Raiders draft (insert “oxymoron” statement here) philosiphy, which was heavy on edge defensive personnel.
Just came off a heavy workload over the past five months. Wow; new blogging format & all, complete with registration. Looking forward to the buildup for the regular season.
Late (past my bedtime!)
antispy3
April 29th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Raider O Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
LBs that don’t shoot gaps, or blitz, and read and react. That’s not Als scheme.
Al likes the front 4 to do all the dirty work, and have 7 in man to man to make plays.
I like it too, the problem is that front 4 is not doing much which exposed the LBs in man to man. IMO
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i see the same thing, and in most other schemes around the league u r going to have sum kind of blitz packages, in ours its rare, hopefully that changes
April 29th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
I’ll be back in an hour or so, sorry I’m really enjoying this.
I’m going to go sing with my daughter, Elmos world.
God, the things I would do to Elmo if that SOB was real.
La la la la, Elmos world. Got to sing it with a smile too.
Trust me when I say this Gents, she will not forget this since I will be there to remind her all the time. lol
April 29th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
When it comes to Henderson, we must all realize that he didn’t start his rookie season and he only started a few games in his 2nd season. He hasn’t had alot of time on the field so hes still kind of a rookie in a way. Maybe hes been slower at learning vs. other guys but after 2 years and with having some good games at the end of the season, I think he will be decent and progress as the season goes. I think everyone’s expectations are too high for him. Not everyone is a Dominant Left Tackle. For God sakes, Barry Sims did a good job for many years protecting Gannon even though he wasn’t the most talented.
The great thing is that if Henderson doesn’t play well, we have plenty of guys with enough experience who can step in like Khalif Barnes and Erik Pears or even Marcus Johnson if necessary. Hell, even Gallery and McQuistan can play tackle. We’ll see.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Cable is doing what he gotta do. To work with Al you better do what Cable is doing. Russell gotta man up
April 29th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Have fun O before you know she will be all grown up and you will miss the $hit out of elmo sing alongs
April 29th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
When it comes to our DT’s…its very difficult for 2 300lb+ guys to have 260lb guys on the ends. I really believe that if we had bigger and stronger DE’s, we’d see alot more form our DT’s. Its ridiculous.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
im still puzzeled at the de selections in the draft, we had a need at slb, why draft de’s and teach them a new position, they arnt even that athletic or would have been drafted sooner by other teams, hopefully 1 works out for us
April 29th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Oh I forgot. Its Mr Ostrich himself. Brien why dont you pull your head out the sand and realize this team is not good. Oh, and case you didnt realize this. The Raiders were not 10-6 or 9-7 last year.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
24, only one person on this blog lobbied for Mario to start. I knew he would do well. He is Al*s guy and I concur he is our LT
April 29th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Cable has to learn how to coach the guys that Al Davis wants. At least they have good character to make it easier.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Brien what kind of year do you think Russell will have ?
April 29th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
I really didn’t know what to believe regarding Mario Henderson because both Kiffin and Cable took their time in starting him. The one thing I did know was that he had to be better than Kwame Harris and he was that and more.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
24 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
When it comes to our DT’s…its very difficult for 2 300lb+ guys to have 260lb guys on the ends. I really believe that if we had bigger and stronger DE’s, we’d see alot more form our DT’s. Its ridiculous.
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i feel ya, at least 1 end should be a stack de with enuff athleticism to make sure u dont have double teams down the line, while the other end can be a little undersized but an effective pass-rusher, this would negate double teams down the line, and if teams do double-team, free up a blitzing lb
April 29th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
MR i know your dream of an 0 and 16 season is your motivation but expect a win 9/14/09
April 29th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
not should have but will have
April 29th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
henderson is a major upgrade compared 2 anyone we had last year at tackle,( us not the nfl)
April 29th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Raidersince87 – There are alot of Tweener DE’s that get drafted to play OLB for 3-4 defenses. Its not that much different for some Tweener DE’s to get drafted to play OLB for a 4-3 Defense and I’m sure John Marshall has some ideas regarding this or he wouldn’t have done it.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
R8, good question. I expect better accuracy and pocket presence. If not we are fuked!
April 29th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
raidersince87 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
henderson is a major upgrade compared 2 anyone we had last year at tackle,( us not the nfl)
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and with the signing of pears and barnes should provide some descent competion at the tackle position
April 29th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Brien,
Seriously. What makes you SO optimistic? Is it the same optimism you have every offseason?
April 29th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
87 – Yeah…we should have a much better run Defender playing LDE where Burgess plays and have a guy like Burgess playing RDE. That would help alot. I don’t know if Al will allow it but the type of DE/LB’s we drafted opens the door for Marshall to go ape sh!t with blitzing and if we blitz…that should help the DT’s big time because it takes alot of the pressure off of them and the secondary as well.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
24 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Raidersince87 – There are alot of Tweener DE’s that get drafted to play OLB for 3-4 defenses. Its not that much different for some Tweener DE’s to get drafted to play OLB for a 4-3 Defense and I’m sure John Marshall has some ideas regarding this or he wouldn’t have done it.
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we play a 4-3 though and expect our lb’s to cover, im not going to disagree with u on ur statement, but to put a college de in an nfl coverage situation, sounds like a project to me
April 29th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
My boy works at Kincades Restaurant and just called me and said Jeff Garbagecia is there getting faded. MR puzzy just got wet lol
April 29th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
24 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
87 – Yeah…we should have a much better run Defender playing LDE where Burgess plays and have a guy like Burgess playing RDE. That would help alot. I don’t know if Al will allow it but the type of DE/LB’s we drafted opens the door for Marshall to go ape sh!t with blitzing and if we blitz…that should help the DT’s big time because it takes alot of the pressure off of them and the secondary as well.
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richardson was a joke along with anybody else they tried to play over there along with brown or whoever else they played at slb, it exposed us way too much
April 29th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Burgess sucks. He scared of LTs. Start Scott and Shaughnessy dammit
April 29th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
burgess is a third and long de at best, scott hasnt proved he can play every down, richardson hasnt proven anything which makes are de’s such a question mark going into camp, hopefully shaughnessy and the others will provide some good competion and help stabilize the position
April 29th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Yeah, Warren/Sands/Kelly/Morrison better have “All Eyez on Me” on their playlists…because its their time now.
Brandon Jacobs, Westbrook/McCoy, Portis, Barber/Jones/Chance, Moreno (2), LT/Sproles(2), LJ (2) he can still run, McGahee/McClain/Rice & 40 rush attempts, Green/Mendenhall, Lewis w. Alex Mack and Joe Thomas, Jones/Washington/Greene, Benson w. Andre Smith, Steve Slaton
The front 7 better get ready..
April 29th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Brien the General 510 Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
My boy works at Kincades Restaurant and just called me and said Jeff Garbagecia is there getting faded. MR puzzy just got wet lol
======================================================= he already has a DUI from SJSU a couple years ago no…some guys dont learn
April 29th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
warren,sands,kelly, and joseph it better have been coaching or our offense wont see enough time on the field for them to gel and develope
April 29th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Texas Tech
Passing stats
429-604 5007 Yards 43 TD 8 INT 417.2 YPG
Crabtree’s stats
93 Catches 1135 Yards 12.2 YPC 18 TD 94.6 YPG
Which basically tells us that he caught 22.7% of his team’s total passing yardage and 41.7% of his team’s total TDs. Which is really a lot for one man to carry himself. I am not knocking his production.
He also ran 2 times for 1 yard.
Maryland
Passing stats
227-399 2678 Yards 15 TD 13 INT 206.7 YPG
Heyward-Bey’s stats
42 Catches 609 Yards 14.5 YPC 5 TD 50.8 YPG
Which translates to 22.7% (same as Crabtree) of his team’s total passing yardage and 33.3% of his team’s total TDs. Surprise surprise, Crabtree is more reliable in the TD department, but they both accounted for the same proportion of yards on offense. So your first arguement is null. DHB cannot be blamed for the system his team ran in college.
DHB also ran 15 times for 202 yards and 1 TD.
Here’s a fun little factoid.
DHB projected on Texas Tech 1134.1 YARDS 14.32 TDS
Crabtree projected on Maryland 610 YPG 6.3 TDS
I’m sure Crabtree having more inflated stats had to do with the fact that Texas Tech threw for 53.7% more yards and 34.9% more TDs than Maryland this season, not because DHB can’t play football.
April 29th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
MR im optimistic because I love the Raider and my area has had enuff negativity. Being negative with all things pertaining to the Raiders is useless. Bush/Dmac are why I am as well!
April 29th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
im out nation
April 29th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Craptree is a wco WR. Get over it we aint running an offense suited to his skills! DHB was a reach but he better for us than craptree
April 29th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Post #851 is brilliant, and a very goos example of how #’s can say whatever you want them to say. Or you can bring up stats to make whatever point you choose.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
Raider Fans,
Anyone seen this interview with Mike Mitchell (link below)?
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/draft09/columns/story?columnist=chadiha_jeffri&id=4110782
When you’re there, before you read the article, watch the video….I use to be a fan of Cris Carter because of how he played at the WR Position. I am no longer because of how unprofessional and immature he was when talking about our newest Raiders, DHB. I hope DHB and Mitchell will prove these so call analysts wrong in the near future!! GO RAIDERS!!
April 29th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Not wanting negativity is one thing. But to be so blind to the point where you cant objectively look at a situation is quite another. What happened last weekend was an unmitigated disaster. It was reach after reach after reach. How can you not see that?
WTF with Bush and McFadden? What are you looking at to put so much stock in 2 guys who havent done a damn thing.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
If you truly love the Raiders, you love them unconditionally no matter what they do. Its like having a child that you love while you don’t necessarily like everything they do either but you stay optimistic about them.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Man, you guys are getting out of control trying to rationalize the DHB pick. Projecting his stats IF he was at TT?? Come the f on
April 29th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
# priesttj Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Post #851 is brilliant, and a very goos example
You’re a silly goos buttholeprick
April 29th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
24,
How long do you remain optimistic?
Arent you getting tired of getting let down year after year after year?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
There were reaches and? Every team reaches oh well. Bush/Dmac made plays in limited action. They are gonna wreak havoc on the NFL. Cant stop em
April 29th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Fact is, I really like DMac. I just think he will always be hurt. Its the way hes built and the way he runs.
Michael Bush is a primadonna punk who went off against a team that had flat out quit. He isnt a team player and the fact that so many people over look that fact is amazing to me.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Actually I was pessimistic from 01 to 07 MR. 08 ur lover sabotaged us and in 09 the team is a real team and got each other back. You didnt play sports so you dont understand
April 29th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Every team reaches? Yeah, ok. The Raiders suck because they cant draft. PERIOD.
“Cant stop em”?? You know how stupid you sound saying that?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
I keep reading how the players we picked on the front7 are 1dimensional, one dimensional how? and what is that one dimension?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Quit? MR when did he quit? Just cuz he didnt want to block for shytty ass Farglass? He showed last year when he got carries he can play. Dmac is going to pro bowl
April 29th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
How am I trying to rationalize the pick and how am I making stats say what I want them to say?
Both DHB and Crabtree accounted for a very similar proportion of their offense. It’s not DHB’s fault he did not play in a more explosive one.
But it’s not fair to knock the kid for being unproductive, because, well his whole offense was unproductive.
But if anyone actually watched Maryland games, they’d see that he single handedly beat the Tarheels. His 0 catch games, well in one he broke a 73 yard TD run and in the other he was triple teamed all game allowing his offense to pass for 360 yards.
It’s not fair to call him just “a fast wide reciever” while Crabtree is a “complete wideout.” Give me a break.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
See Brien, you have no rationale for the way you think so you stoop to throwing out stupid insults about which you have no clue. You sound so dumb with your constant ” Raiders are awesome” mantra. You really are the worst poster on this site.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Stupid saying you cant stop bush and dmac? I know you would hate to see it but you will
April 29th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
DHB is a workout warrior. Period. End of story. Al Davis is the only guy in the NFL that would have taken him top 10. Thats not a debateable statement.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Why argue with soeone when you know that someone is only here to bring you down? It’s like having a real interest in doing something and this particular person keeps trying to convince you that you can’t because they want you to be miserable as they are.
They’re optimistic because they choose to be, while you choose not to be. It’s a personal choice why can’t you accept that?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Yeah, you sound stupid. They were stopped early and often last year. So how do you figure?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
MR you stoop to coming in here under different names cuz ur a coward. I said they would improve never said superbowl did I? You spend ur days with a goal of hating the Raiders at every turn
April 29th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Im not miserable. I am just trying to understand how someone could be such a homer that they cant look at this franchise in a rational manner. I am starting to come to the conclusion that many of you REALLY dont care if the Raiders win or lose.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Why do you keep calling me MR?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
And once again you cant retort so you resort to stupid, immature ramblings.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Is this what we can expect to see until the season starts? Dude vs. the board?
I think what you have here is a classic case of circling the wagons. So many people are talking shyt about us, that the natural chip on our shoulders is coming out about DHB and the rest of the draft b/c they are now Raiders.
The funny thing is I agree with Jerry on this one, in that it is the most over analyzed thing going. How can we have an opinion one was or the other until they step on the field? Was he a reach? Well if reach means drafting someone who ESPN didn’t think should have gone where he did, then yeah. Or if reach means identifying what you need at a position and then acting on it, yeah.
Mitchell couldn’t have said it any better when he was clowning Kiper … I’ll go with the guys who are getting paid to do this over those who aren’t.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Wbalakier243, I’m in agreement with the post, I was just pointing out the fact that the pundits and those that choose to belittle DHB because of his stats.
Your arguement supports my reasoning that stats can tell lies. The kid had 4 QB’s in 3 years and only 1 of them was any good. Thus his statistics vs Crabtree’s which are bloated due to the offense he played.
It’s like saying Tim Brown was abetterr reciever than Cliff Branch and justifying it with their stats. Tim and Cliff played in very different offenses. Cliff was hands down a better player but he’s not recognized as such.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Dude Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
24,
How long do you remain optimistic?
Arent you getting tired of getting let down year after year after year?
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Mr. then why the f’ck are you here? STFU already. Dont you ahve any pride to show up as yourself?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Dude Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Why do you keep calling me MR?
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Hello? becasue maybe you answer to it? Duh!!!!1
April 29th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Ok I’m back, what did I miss?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
JHill,
Guys from the combine are getting paid. They didnt think he was legit. Coaches in the MAC get paid. They didnt think he was good enough to even make 3rd team.
Kiper and Mayock get paid too by the way. Chris Landry gets paid, used to be an NFL scouting director, is very un bias and he flat out said it was one of the worst drafts he has ever seen. Are ALL those guys wrong and Al Davis is right??
April 29th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Here we go with this clown. Who is first of all? I am going to assume he is a poster who thinks as I do and therefore I must be him. Because only 1 person thinks that Al Davis is a joke. LOL!!
April 29th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Dude, we shall soon see. so why not let the kid suit up and prove us wrong.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
MR, got stopped? Yea by the love for Farglass! Dmac and Bush made plays that contributed to our 5 wins with limited snaps! Lol 2 weeks ago you said Farglass was starting.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Hope he does. Odds are not in his favor though. I dont see how a guy is going to go from mediocre in the MAC to good in the NFL.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Fargas will get the first carry of the year. Said it two weeks ago, saying it now.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Dude,
The draft is what it is. Al Davis is drafting players to fit the way he wants to see football played. The exact samething that teams like the Steelers, Ravens and Patriots do very well.
Davis and Cable feel that “The D-HB” fits the offense better than Crabtree. Okay…I trust their judgement. What good is it to draft to the peanut gallery and then have the guy fail because he doesn’t fit the system.
Mike Mitchell….He was the guy they wanted…its their money…is safety a need? The answer was yes…so they filled it with the player they felt played the position the way they wanted to see it played.
The draft is not a science. These players are 50/50 in the 1st round and then the odds steadily deteriorate from the 2nd round on.
Gotta see the players on the field. I am looking forward to it.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
DHB didn’t play in the MAC he played in the ACC.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
SnB,
How could you POSSIBLY trust Al Davis’s judgement?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
MR, you arent fooling anyone! Your argument style and raider bashing gives you away. Notice people Dude, Crow and MR names are never on the blog at the same timd
April 29th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Talking about Mitchell. Nice try though.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Trolls is here!!
April 29th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Not much I can do to prove otherwise, so I wont try. Keep referring back to it when your argument runs dry. Thats when I know your done.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
dont say that Brien…cuz we about to see Crow now…lmao
April 29th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Farglass is not starting you fuking dummy. How much your Sactown virgin self wants to bet?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
How much do I “wants” bet? LOL!! Gee I dont have a very good vision of who you are!! LOL!!
April 29th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Dude Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
SnB,
How could you POSSIBLY trust Al Davis’s judgement?
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Look, the Raiders play football a certain way. That’s been known for a long time. This isn’t new. You should understand that the Raider philosophy is to stretch the offense vertically with speed on the outside, and have speed in the secondary to get to the ball and make plays….its been like that before I was born…..
D-HB was not the reach y’all think it was in retrospect…Read the short article below and tell me what you think
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/2009/04/23/2009-04-23_giants_targeting_maryland_receiver.html
April 29th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Like I said, one way or the other …
I don’t have an opinion on these guys one way or the other. Just like I didn’t have an opinion on McFadden, JRuss, JLH, Henderson, Schillens, Howard, Morrison, Bush, Trevor Scott, Chris Johnson, Tyvon Branch, Ricky Brown, or Shane Lecler, I don’t have one on these players Al Davis has brough in until they actually show something, or nothing, on the field.
Everyone of those guys you named had him as a 1st rd pick, though right? Why are you acting like he shouldn’t have been picked at all?
Did we need a WR or not?
April 29th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
My big critique of this draft was the failure to get a Base DE or NT….
I will take issue with that.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
You have no arguments MR. You are self admitted troll who speaks bullshyt everytime you come here. You even hate on 2 of our most talented players cuz it pains you to see good players in Oakland
April 29th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
I like MM a lot.
He is our head hunter on Defense. I can’t wait to see him put a hit on some AFC WR.
What about LT??? Will make him think he is Batman, remember that SB comercial?!?
Coach to player: you know who you are?
Player after a big hit: yes, yes I do, I’m batman.
LMAO, that was my fav by far.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
SnB,
Hows that been working for you lately??
Jhill,
I really dont love throwing DHB in with the argument because I do like him. But he wasnt a value at 7. Had the Raiders not taken him he wouldnt have been picked for a while and Crabtrees the better player.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Vision of your 49er tube tops at Candlebitch park
April 29th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Dude – Honestly…I’m worn the hell out over the losing. Believe me…I’ve already said everything you have. Just ask everyone in here. I have had my emotional ups and downs and my arguements over Al Davis but it just gets tiresome to go over the same rhetoric because theres nothing I can about it unfortunately. Believe me…I’m a realist and I see things clearly. I’m not blinded, I have just chosen to let it go. I just tell myself, Its just a game because thats what it is. I figure, I might as well be patient and be hopeful and look at the positives instead of the negatives and don’t have high expectations because I don’t want to get let down.
Put it this way…I see alot of positives but I’m predicting a 6-10 record. If we lose more games then that, it wasn’t unexpected. If we win more games then that, I’m stoked.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Thanks Brien. I now know you are done and have nothing more to add to your argument. At least Jhill and SnB can actually speak to the reasons they are optimistic or not. Not like your clown ass responses ” Cause theyre gonna dominate man!!”
April 29th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
24,
Fair enough bro. Fair enough.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Lol for a while? And you are in the draft room idiot? Craptree wasnt the better player for Oakland. His stats are due to no double teams and the spread O. He will be a bust!
April 29th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
The whole value at 7 argument is bogus. 1) you have to have a trade partner to move down. 2) How far down do you go before you lose your player? 3) Are you willing to lose your player.
I was one of the guys saying draft Mack at 7 if that was who they had as their #1 guy. F the value argument. All that means is what other people thought of your draft pick. If you think Mack is a 10 year pro bowler, draft him #1 overall I say. A bit off topic, but you get my point, I hope.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Dude – What it all boils down to is…No matter how good or how bad the Raiders are, I will always be a fan because without the Raiders, my passion for football would die considerably and this losing freakin KILLS me but I’m exhausted over it. I’m 26, born in 1982 and we last won the Superbowl in 1983. I feel like a Cubs fan but oh well.
April 29th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Hello there good Citizen!!
Still LMAO, I love that Comercial!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Raiders did the best thing not drafting that bum. How many DBs fron the big 12 were drafted? ACC? Thanks now shut up virgin
April 29th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Dude – The one thing I don’t like is when people call you MR. Alot of fans can’t get over the fact that certain people are downright unhappy about the Raiders situation. I understand where you’re coming from and I realize there are many more unhappy fans. Its just easier for people to think theres only one person pretending to be 100 people then to possibly look at the Raiders without Kool-Aid glasses. It just comes with the territory.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Jhill,
I get your point. My main issue with the DHB pick at 7 is its just another in the long line of Al Davis picks based on nothing but speed. I mean really, all the scouting reports say the same thing about the kid: fast, big, inconsistent hands and routes.
Are they ALL wrong. Chris Carter knows what a WR is, even if he went about saying it wasnt very classy.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
24, thats the thing MR hates the Raiders. Remember all last season saying we would lose every week?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
And if you like the DHB, then what makes this draft the worst ever, I think you said?
Mitchell kills the draft for you? Even though Dallas, Chicago, and Cleveland would have all drafted him before our 3rd rnd pick, let alone the 5th rnd pick that the “experts” were predicting.
Again, with S being identified as a need, what’s wrong with them going after the guy they wanted? I think they had the Wafe Forrest S as the fall back plan, so it was going to be S regardless.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
24,
Its not people, its those two idiots who dont agree with me but unlike yourself and the rest of they guys on here cant really give any rational reason why they think the way they do. Thats when they resort to the MR stuff. Its pretty funny actually
April 29th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
24, I know you confused being a Giants fan but dont let MR play you like that
April 29th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Stop it with Mr. Diva AKA Crab.
The guy didn’t even play WR at HS, he played QB.
Played a lot from the Slot in a the spread O.
He had the same QB at College.
DHB played WR and LB at HS, avg 20 yards per catch, and 22TDs in 2 years.
He had 3 or 4 different QBs at college, was the only weapon on Offense, and was double teamed a lot.
I like DHB more.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
MR you idiot scroll up. I said your argument style and constant raider bashing shows who you are. You are a known troll
April 29th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Rationale? You said Farglass was starting week 1! Where is the rationale in saying that bullshyt?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Brien – You mean my SF Giants? They’re beating the LA Dodgers right now haha. 9-3 YEAH!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
I hope its “Schilens” and “The D-HB” at the x and y receiver. Schilens improved enough last yr to get him on the field more often….plus he loves to block….
Having those two on the outside will keep both safeties at bay…
Start DMAC and Bush
Do those two things and the offense should be just fine
April 29th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
My God! Lewis sucks in the left field.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
MM will show eveyone that he can play, he’s been doing for years.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
In some ways Carbtree dropping to #10 is just as bad. Cleveland passed on him as well as the Raiders and who knows who else. If the 49ers don’t jump he could’ve gne as low as 15. I think Crabtree can be a hell of a player in time. But his attitude cost him a lot of money.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
And then dissing our best two backs? You hope they fail. You want the Raider to fail. Its ok MR just watch 9/14/09
April 29th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
I don’t think they are wrong at all …
Maybe just mistaken, to a degree, b/c the Raiders picked him. Had it been any other team, or had Crabtree already been off the board, then I guarantee you that they wouldn’t have been as critical.
And that is just flat out not true about the percieved Height-weight-speed thing.
McFadden was the best player at his position.
JRuss was the best players at his position.
Gallery was the best player at his position.
Huff was the best player at his position.
They really think they got the best player at his position this year b/c he played in the overused pharse, “pro style offense”. But that HAS to mean something since so many of those same people you talk about getting paid mention it. That whole route tree thing.
Out of all the people, I choose to listen to Casserly, and believe it or not, Lombardo. At least they were GMs, you know? Casserly says that everything DHB does on tape as far as speed will translate to the field. He says that he is BY FAR the most explosive of the WRs off the line, and after the catch. Says his routes at Maryland will translate quicker than Crabtree or Maclin. He did say he dropped some balls that left him scratching his head, but he also said that he makes catches that none of the other guys guys can. He also said it seems like the ball gets on him pretty quickly sometimes, and he thinks it’s a vision issue. He said if he took DHB, the first thing he would do is get him to a vision Dr. Either way, he had him as the 3rd rated WR in the draft, and a definite 1st rd grade.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
SF Giants are a joke and the Dodgers own them! My Athletics run the bay, even with 10 people there! Sweepstakes 89!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
I’m a Fargas fan and I even know that Fargas will not be starter come opening day. there’s not even na chance. Either Bush or DMC will start the other will finish. Fargas if he’s still here will provide quality depth.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
SnB,
1- Yavone if she can still play/ Chaz
2- DHB/ Chaz/ Murphy
3- Slot: JLH/ Murphy
Depth:
Arman
April 29th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
I like DHB as a kid more than as a player, thats why I am not loving lumping him in. However, I think he has a better chance at being a bust than being a boom.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
I understand where Dude is coming from on this topic. I think we all know and understand how much talent we have with McFadden and Bush but we just haven’t seen it consistently to be sure that they will come through for us. Based on history and how every coach feels about Fargas, its not uncommon for the Raiders to start Fargas despite all the talent of McFadden and Bush simply because Fargas works hard and that is why Dude says Fargas will start…I’m only hoping Fargas won’t start because hes not as talented as McFadden and Bush and they should be the ones starting.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
yeah Fargas is going to start for us after the Raiders shopped him…who’s the idiot that would think that…of course Mr. aka the Pinata.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Jhill yes and thats why Craptree lovers still miss it! And forget its about players conducive to your scheme. Craptree wasnt
April 29th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Brien – Well…I don’t hate the A’s so I won’t fight back on that and since the A’s won the World Series last, especially against the Giants, I can’t really disagree with you until the Giants win it. The Giants are a .500 team if I’m lucky and hopefully they’ll take the division.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Does anybody have any articles regarding the possible Fargas trade?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Anyone who thinks Fargas will start for the Raiders is clueless………period
April 29th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Lol alisgod, they tried to shop huggy and huff! But MR says Farglass is the guy still. There is the rationale!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
I think DHB the kid has a lot to do with why he is a Raider and Crabtree is not.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
SnB ….
My favorite player in this draft is Murphy. What is the strength coach’s #, and can I play on STs?
Nothing against JLH and Schillens, but I want to see Murphy beat both of them out.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
1- DHB: I like the pick a lot.
2- MM: great pick, a lot here know that too
3- Shaughnessy: I don’t know, you know!!
4- Murphy: I love that pick, it reminds me of another pick in the 4th (Bush). Ssshhhhh
April 29th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
BHP is the wiz of the blog! He likes Farglass but he knows what is up. MR fears the Raiders being good.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Raider O,
I hope its not Javon as the starter. Schilens is a guy that fights for the ball and can catch in traffic. Let him be the guy and let him develop.
I’ve about tired of the Javon show. The Raiders got to put their best players on the field.
Also, they need to realize that Russell has some mobility and to take advantage of that at times
April 29th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Seriously people…I didn’t see anything that said Fargas was on the trading block. Does anybody have any proof or an article they can provide?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
How many of these would it take for DHB to snag rookie of the year? If he can snag 6+ of them, it will surpass his “stats” from the draft.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HI-rEopKpSs&feature=related
April 29th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Murphy wont beat out Chaz and JLH but I liked him at UF. Javon needs to go tho
April 29th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Murphy has 10″ hands. He can catch everything.
10″ hands for a 6′2 WR!!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
btw, with that clip, notice his O-Line. Even we got a line a little better than that, lol.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
24 go call the radio station and ask
April 29th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
http://www.realfootball365.com/articles/raiders/13859
Trading Fargas a possibility for Raiders
Here is an article from April 21 that just speculates the possibility of Fargas being trade bait because the Raiders came into the draft with only 5 picks but again…it was just speculation by one person.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Brien – Which radio station?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
another one for Chris Carter to watch and tell us he can’t catch a football.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxiAbDVB9MQ&feature=related
April 29th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Time to get a brew! See ya! And MR you are a coward ass bitch!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/163415-why-justin-fargas-is-the-man-in-oakland
Why Justin Fargas Is the Man in Oakland
An article from April 27 explaining why someone thinks Fargas will start.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
In the back of my mind, I think Fargas is going to get more carries than he should. I know it doesn’t make any sense, but it didn’t last year either.
Shopped him? Say who? the same people who said Mitchell was a 5th rd pick?
The scenarion that says people called about Bush, and they counter with Fargas if that team gave them a 2nd rd pick sounds more like it, LOL!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Brien – Why you leaving?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
For Fargas to start both DMC and Bush would have to break both legs. EVen while hurt late in the year I was very impressed with DMC’s toughness and football smarts. The same is true with MBush who may have a chance to be one of more dominant HB’s in the league. Big Al loves big HB’s capable of dominating late in games.
You saw it in the KC game and Texans and especially the Tampa game. That big man is lethal.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Lol 24, you live in the yay area rite?
April 29th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
SnB,
You need a vet out there to help JR, you can’t have all your WRs as Rookies and 2nd year players!!!
I don’t like him and I would rather cut him and sign another vet, but we can’t. He restructured his contract. It’s all in Guaranteed Salary now.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Ok…My point was proven. Some people are saying that Fargas was trade point but who and what was their source? Unless there is some concrete information, its all speculation and guess work so what is it? Is it fact? Did it come from ESPN because if it did, most of the people on here don’t believe a word from them. Was it KNBR because nobody on here believes in KNBR so why are you believing it now?
Fargas and Huff are still here.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
24 gotta go step my brew and swisher game is why
April 29th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Brien – Yup.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Brien – Take it easy.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
24 no one wanted them. You ever heard of the streets are talking? See ya
April 29th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Priest – You and I both know that McFadden should start but its not out of the question for Fargas to start on game 1 and take a backseat, not because we think he should but maybe out of respect to him from the coaching staff.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Brien – Haha…The streets talk alot of rumors and hearsay to ya know haha.
Speakeasys haha
April 29th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Theres a reason Fargas has been on this team for so long. Al Davis obviously loves him.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
24….
Clayton reported that they shopped Fargas and Huff….the reason they are still here is….as Clayton reported no one wanted them. Not even for a 7th rounder and I dont blame them. Raiders tried to trade huff last draft too.
BSPN is still BSPN but I have learned to take the rumor and add the facts to correctly analyze. It does make sense they want to get rid of Huff. Cablen didnt mention Huff and already mentioned Mitchell/Branch in the back field.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Well…I’m tired. Have a goodnight everyone. Peace.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Alisgod – I think its obvious that people believe what they want to believe when they want to believe it haha. You can’t say its BSPN with every report until you hear a report you like and make it truth.
Of course it makes sense that the Raiders would want to get rid of Huff or Fargas, thats why BSPN said it. They have to come up with something to earn a paycheck.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
“This Miami Team can’t match the speed of DHB”!!!!
Miami is know for speed, wow!!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Goodnight.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
The Raiders response to the critics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbtJMP8wZhQ
A little crude but so appropriate….I will continue to post as long as they criticize the draft.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Raider O,
Let Javon prove it in camp. I am not on starting vets because they are vets….
Schilens and JLH were the only reliable receivers down the stretch…and Zach Miller.
Go with the youngsters and start ballin
April 29th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
That srticle was written 4/27/09 and we haven’t even had a minicamp. And you let that make you think what?
They are paying DMC too much money and MBush is just too good. By day 1 things will change DRAMATICAllY.
Out of respect for Fargas would be to keep him on the team or let him go where he can play. There is NO WAY Fargas will be starting HB if both MBush and DMC are healthy…………period and I love wha Fargas brings to the table. But those two kids are phenoms any coach worth his salt can see that.
That article talk about pushing the pile and running physical. Are yu telling me MBush doesn’t bring that? the guy is like myself a Fargas fan but he’s not thinking.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
On that DHB TD catch if you notice it took maybe 2.5 secnds before the QB threw the football. Most peple think it takes 7n seconds to throw deep lol
On any deep ball with a kid like DHB running a 9 route the ball must be thrown in less than 3 seconds or else you will under throw him. The same was true with Branch he got deep so fast Kenny had to throw on a 5 step drop and release because his arm was not stroong enough if he held the ball.
So let that film serve as evidence what tis kid is capable of. If Russell gets 4 seconds he can throw over the top of any secondary in the league and DHB can go get it. That’s why we got him.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Fargas is also 29 yrs old and had a lot of injuries.
Fargas can still help the team…he’ll still get a handfull of carries…especially if the team has a good lead late in the game.
I would envision that late in games with a lead or anytime in the 2nd half where the Raiders want to run the clock…you’ll see Bush and Fargas more in the backfield.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Most just didn’t understand the value of Fargas, that’s why he was here so long. Fargas is a player but he’s hit zenith of his talent and those two kids are better and they haven’t even scratched the surface. If I know Big Al he wants that exploited ASAP.
April 29th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Bush should be in on 1st and second down short distance with DMC on third and 2nd and longs. fargas can stick around to pound the ball late in the game but to be completely honest with myself i would rather give fargas’ 5-10 carries to rankin. and i love fargas but he may be better off somewhere else.
and for god’s sake cable split bush and dmc in the backfield every once in a while
April 29th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
The bleacher report article about fargas was awful it said he able to catch the ball when did this start, when i think of Raider rb sorry but Marcus Allen is who I think of , Dmac will never have Marcus’s hands or between the tackles running but he is much faster and a great catching the ball and Bush is a 250 monster. Jruss/Dmac/Bush/dhb/chaz/jlh gives us some weapons!!!
April 29th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
I hope dmac has learned to pick up the blitz this year that was far and away his biggest weakness he almost got jruss killed a couple of times last year.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
that bleacher report article did suck.
hopefully dmc will get some work against the blitz in camp if our defense starts to blitz. but seriously he does need some serious help in that department.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
# priesttj Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Anyone who thinks Fargas will start for the Raiders is clueless………period
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priesttj do these people know first how good dmac and bush are and how much al is paying dmac.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
i must be tired that last sentence is ridiculous
April 29th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
NMF he got much better at it as the year wore on. He missed too much time to injury which slowed his growth but that kid is soo football smart it wont be problem IMO. Evrybody gets beat a time or two but I saw a marked improvement inhis blocking and MBush was as good as Fargas by mid-season thus the FB request.
If these weren’t the case there’s no way I would make the predictions I made earlier. DMC and Bush are ready to contribute full time. Trust me.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
fargas is a hard worker and gets tough yards I just don’t like his lack of vision and he can’t shake anybody add that to his stone hands and that is a avg rb.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
NMF, the nly reasn Fargas started the entire season last year was DMC’s injuries and Bush’s refusal to play FB. Fargas is very reliable in what he offers and he brings no surpraises the coaches can trust him to be effective get the tough runs and kepp the offense out of trouble. That is underappreciated but Bush and DMC are phenoms…………end of story
April 29th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
We should not be downing Fargas in any way. He plays hard for the silver and black, the guy wants to be a Raider. Hes one of the hardest working guys on the team, we should respect his presense not consider him in trades and what not..
April 29th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
The fans really don’t understand how bad this team woul’ve been to watch without him. The last 3 years he was it, until we got the two phenoms. DHB is going to take a ton of pressure off the running game. DMC’s is going to see some serious running lanes. Russell will see one on ones and have an opportunity to strike it may take a few weeks to get this going but once we get it, it’s OVER.
Well adios I want to relax and watch a movie.
April 29th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
# priesttj Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
On that DHB TD catch if you notice it took maybe 2.5 secnds before the QB threw the football. Most peple think it takes 7n seconds to throw deep lol
On any deep ball with a kid like DHB running a 9 route the ball must be thrown in less than 3 seconds or else you will under throw him. The same was true with Branch he got deep so fast Kenny had to throw on a 5 step drop and release because his arm was not stroong enough if he held the ball.
So let that film serve as evidence what tis kid is capable of. If Russell gets 4 seconds he can throw over the top of any secondary in the league and DHB can go get it. That’s why we got him.
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DHB is not some superstar WR in this league. Its not just that simple, he needs to actually catch the football, which apparently he has some trouble doing… And if theres any safeties deep, he has to beat them. This is a raw kid, but man stop talking like they guys the next Jerry Rice or sumthing…
April 29th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
RajAllDay if he was so hardcore he would learn to catch the ball . I hold the rb position for the Raiders as a sacred spot I want a superstar not just an avg rb. I’m out later
April 29th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
still no full backs in camp huh?? I hOPE Oren O Is ready to go..I remember people saying he had ” pro bowl potential ” written all over him
April 29th, 2009 at 11:58 pm
Raj all day, don’t get offended but no one is making a superstar Jerry Rice dropped balls as well. I was just pointing out the process of throwing deep.
DHB will have his strugles no doubt but who doesn’t in this league if he drops a few early in his career it’s par for the course. Cliff Branch dropped a ton of balls and so did Tim Brown.
Further more if YOU haven’t seen the kid play hold your judgement as I will do the same because I haven’t seen the kid play.
But he did catch the hell out of that one didn’t he?
96 yards in your face.
April 30th, 2009 at 12:01 am
NMF im just saying the guy gives it his all every chance he gets. Hes not even getting paid that much at all, if he was making top RB money then id have a problem. But for now, Fargas is livin the dream of being an Oakland Raider, why take that away from a guy who works as hard as he does?
April 30th, 2009 at 12:16 am
Priesttj, i ment hes not the next Jerry Rice but he can be but not yet. I still think we talk to big about him. But hey, we all excited for this season so its all good lol.
April 30th, 2009 at 12:39 am
woaw morning…
are we going to hit 1K, before Jerry gives us a fix?
April 30th, 2009 at 12:42 am
any here up for some tennis?
http://www.totalprosports.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/simona-halep-is-a-busty-17-year-old-tennis-star.jpg
April 30th, 2009 at 12:56 am
DHB reminds me of Reg Wayne. When indy drafted him, I remember on the radio they thought it was a stupid pick because Wayne had inconsistent hands. it took Wayne 3 years to blossom and we should expect the same (if he does).
Here is a video of dhb going against the top corner in the ACC. I think he is really impressive in his body control. Watch the pass where the ball is thrown to the wrong shoulder. I can see why they compare to Moss. But there’s only one Moss.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bzgh6GzdVVY&feature=related
April 30th, 2009 at 1:15 am
AIG…
not a bad comparison, problem is we cant wait 3 years for DHB to be consistent we need a WR that could start right away… which is why we should have drafted Robiskie in the 2nd round…
April 30th, 2009 at 1:24 am
LMN,
I do like Robi. Hopefully Murphy and DHB will do fine. I was focused on Mitchell before the draft and only did research on DHB afterward. The one thing I read a lot is no other receiver in this group has as many exciting hilites has he does. I see DHB as having bigger potential then those other guys…and I really really like Hakeem. The key thing is can they develop him.
My gut feeling is knowing crazy Al DHB will start with Schilens with JLH in the slot. I just hope Cable gets creative in getting McFadden, JLH and DHB on at the same time. Taht would scare the crap out of teams based on the speed factor.
April 30th, 2009 at 1:25 am
sleep time….later LMN
April 30th, 2009 at 1:31 am
I agree about the potential, but Russell needs help NOW, not in 3 years time, if he doesnt have a great year in ‘09, we all know the bust talks will strengthen..
Im sure Maclin(even Crabby), has higher potential than Robiskie, not that I wanted any of them, because Russell need help NOW…
I hope Murphy is so sure-handed as they say, and I hope schilens will step up, and I hope JLH will be great and so forth, its a lot of hoping….in raider-land we always hope, and in other franchised they always KNOW…. its getting tiresome, but hye I guess thats what makes it Raiders =) LOL
ohh, my boss points at me, he needs me for yet another meeting…
take care, sleep tight when that time arrives =)
April 30th, 2009 at 3:34 am
alisgod Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 12:56 am
DHB reminds me of Reg Wayne. When indy drafted him, I remember on the radio they thought it was a stupid pick because Wayne had inconsistent hands. it took Wayne 3 years to blossom and we should expect the same (if he does).
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Your memory is off. Wayne had the best hands and best routes in that class. The questions about him were all concerning his speed. He never ran under 4.5, which is okay, but still not “fast”. He wasn’t considered to be more than a possession receiver. Turns out, he’s pretty damn fast when it matters.
The DHB comparison doesn’t make much sense. His hands aren’t even comparable, and he’s decidedly faster than Wayne.
The best comparison I can come up with is Ashley Lelie. Hopefully, DHB has more heart. TBD.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:46 am
Good Day Nation!!!
April 30th, 2009 at 4:50 am
This blog needs football and less talk about LMN and his job.
April 30th, 2009 at 4:52 am
Still talkin about Fargas.Valid points both ways.
To me the thing about Fargas is he rode the pine for 3 yrs,never heard a peep out of him.But,this is the thing,when his number was called he was READY.And he hasnt had the best line in front of him the whole time either.Knows his assignments,NEVER complains,psyically and mentally ready.
Is Fargas our best back:NO
Is Fargas our best back:YES
I hope this clears this up 4 everyone :=)
April 30th, 2009 at 4:53 am
We should ALL be proud&happy 4 da Huggs
April 30th, 2009 at 4:54 am
AND~~~ I agree NMF,RB on da Raiders is like top of the alter 4 me also
April 30th, 2009 at 5:00 am
Fargas is a gamer. He’s tough and plays with the passion that all our players could learn a little bit about.
He won’t be the starter, unless he’s an honorary starter who takes the first snap in a game and then comes out. Kinda like a Kurt Rambis for the Lakers.
April 30th, 2009 at 5:03 am
BabySlash,thats a good way 2 describe it.And EVERYBODY loved Kurt abd everything he brought 2 the table.The RAMBUS YOUTH LIVES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 30th, 2009 at 5:07 am
Man lets get the saeson started already!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 30th, 2009 at 5:26 am
4eva…
Morning…
Fargas never complained because he knew he wasnt starting material, he still isnt, and though you gotta love his heart, you cant win games with heart…
The more snaps he gets, the more he steals time for more potent backs as McFadden and Bush… and even Rankin!
NO MORE FARGAS, he should be traded so he isnt in the way and we got something for next draft out of him.. IMO
April 30th, 2009 at 5:35 am
Morning, don’t think any one will trade you anything for fargas, you’re talking no spot in nfl has more talent than rb hell didn’t the saints pull pierre of the street and he outplayed reggie bush I would rather see Rankin get a chance at the 3#.
April 30th, 2009 at 5:36 am
Well I just hope Dmac&Bush can carry the load this year,something either of them have yet 2 prove.All the hype and hope in the world dosent get it done in the nfl.Fargas was injured part of last season and still gained 853 yards.More than Dmac and Bush.Slice it any way you want,Fargas Still gained more yards than them.And we dont have 2 call a time-out 4 Fargas 2 catch his breath,unlike “Some” backs
April 30th, 2009 at 5:36 am
Its just cause im jealous cause that was my dream to be rb for the Raiders and he is living it.
April 30th, 2009 at 5:37 am
Believe me,I would love 4 Dmac or Bush 2 blow-up da NFL,but we are all still waiting 4 that
April 30th, 2009 at 5:41 am
Well than NMF,you should be happy 4 him.He worked hard 2B where he is,and we should be-grudge him nothing.And who wouldnt want 2 play RB 4 da Raiders.Even if this is Justins last year here,he has done the NATION PROUD,imo
April 30th, 2009 at 5:42 am
I just wish he could score more TD’s
April 30th, 2009 at 5:53 am
NMF…
true, but then he is gone… Falcons wanted a 7th round pick for vick, I say lets give them Fargas, and we get Vick, not that i want to use him, but then Fargas is gone..
April 30th, 2009 at 5:56 am
4eva..
it doesnt help to focus on the past, we need to start to focus on the future and at least the present. Keeping Fargas, talking about how he rode the pain, and what not, does NOT help the ‘09 Raiders, and those are the ones we should have the in the highest interests.. not a kid with heart..
April 30th, 2009 at 5:57 am
F-U-K-K Vick I will round up all the pitt-bulls I know and have a receiving committee 4 him
April 30th, 2009 at 5:59 am
vick=cancer
April 30th, 2009 at 6:01 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S, 4EVA .NOMOREFARGAS, L M N, ALL THE USUAL SUSPECTS,HOPE WE ARE O.K. L M N . FROM LAST NIGHT. THAT IS WHY I VERY-VERY SELDOM POST IN THE EVENING, 2 MUCH B.S.,EVERYTHING BUT FOOTBALL BEING THROWN AROUND.REMARK WAS NOT INTENDAD 4 U AT ALL, U WERE ONLY POSTER I KNEW , THATS ALL,
April 30th, 2009 at 6:08 am
Fargas has gained almost 2500 yds in the last 3 yrs,often injured.Takes ALOT more than heart 2 do that in the nfl
April 30th, 2009 at 6:15 am
Anyway Fargas is here,the Coaches LOVE him,a true role model.Lets be happy with our stable of thoroughbreds :=)
April 30th, 2009 at 6:17 am
# 4evaRaider Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 5:59 am
vick=cancer
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no doubt, but having fargas fukks up the development of the good RBs
April 30th, 2009 at 6:18 am
I LIKE THE WAY FARGAS CARRIES HIMSELF ASWELL 4EVA, EVERYONE IS TRADEABLE THOUGH,IF IT WILL IMPROVE YHE TEAM.
April 30th, 2009 at 6:28 am
Fargas with Morrison were the ones who started the “revolution” in the lockerroom, taking pride in playing for the Raiders. I hope theyre goin nowhere soon cause this team is about reap the benefits of their leadership…
April 30th, 2009 at 6:31 am
Well this is interesting…
April 30th, 2009 at 6:33 am
# CantstandtheHaters Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 6:28 am
Fargas with Morrison were the ones who started the “revolution” in the lockerroom, taking pride in playing for the Raiders. I hope theyre goin nowhere soon cause this team is about reap the benefits of their leadership…
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Let me know when it happens because it has happened with those 2 it will be jruss,dmac,bush,dhb,chaz,henderson,howard who lead us back to greatness not fargas.
April 30th, 2009 at 6:33 am
Hm.
April 30th, 2009 at 6:39 am
Let me know when it happens because it has happened with those 2 it will be jruss,dmac,bush,dhb,chaz,henderson,howard who lead us back to greatness not fargas.
…It will take ALL da playas,including Fargas.AND dont EVER 4GET this;Fargas has been voted by his peers as THEE BEST RAIDER.So if you guys think you know more than the players on the team,well you must be mistaken,because his TEAMMATES think waaay different than you guys
April 30th, 2009 at 6:46 am
4eva how many of those players have ever been in a winning NFL locker room any vet that has come here in recent years has hated it , we have been a laughingstock the recent years hell tell fargas to put on 10lbs and play fb because he is only good for blocking.
April 30th, 2009 at 6:47 am
shyt! wtf is going on down in Holland!?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/8026807.stm
reports say it was attempt to kill them :/
April 30th, 2009 at 6:48 am
Falcons wanted a 7th round pick for vick, I say lets give them Fargas, and we get Vick, not that i want to use him, but then Fargas is gone..
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LMN: I wouldn’t trade for Vick. not even for Fargas or a 7th rounder. Vick’s current contract is LOADED if in fact he does get reinstated with no suspension. When that happens Atlanta will release him so they don’t have to pay him. At that time Vick can start lining up visits to NFL teams. Not many will be interested and rightfully so. The Raiders could offer him a 2 year deal at the vet minimum – no more/no less. That’s more money than he’d make in construction. Take it or leave it.
April 30th, 2009 at 6:49 am
I wonder will they keep walker and will huff get another chance to not make plays and not hit guys.
April 30th, 2009 at 6:49 am
why cant Fargas remain on the team as a backup the last couple years of his carreer, like that NE RB who comes in and helps out whereever he can? plus i can also imagine him being a fair mentor to the youngsters, just like Green who was essential in Hendersons developement. this isnt Madden folks, guys like that are like extra coaches in the lockerroom and are valuable
April 30th, 2009 at 6:49 am
EASY 4EVA,IT’S JUST FOOTBALL TALK BUDDY,IF TRADEING ANYBODY , INCLUDING FARGAS WOULD IMPROVE THE RAIDER’S CHANCE OF WINNING,THE OTHER PLAYER’S WOULD BE GLAD TO DRIVE SAID PLAYER TO THE AIRPORT..
April 30th, 2009 at 6:50 am
I wish you guys could see Fargas as an important cog in the organization.The organization does.But like our buddy Dirt-Lot said,nobody is above the team and if we could get a 3rd or a good value in trade well then the team should do it.If Fargas stays GREAT,if not,well then I wish him ALL THE BEST and am VERY THANKFULL 4 his commitment 2 Excellence.Its 2 bad the prima-donas of the league dont have his work ethic.Could you just imagine how much BETTER the nfl would be???
April 30th, 2009 at 6:52 am
if Fargas was on the trade block during the draft and they made him renegotiate his contract for less money and more years in the offseason (trade friendly deal) I highly doubt he’s going to enter this season as the starting RB …
plus Al Davis wants to see more of Michael Bush, remember? Cable acknowledged “adding more power to the zbs” meant adding more Bush in the mix. More Bush = less Fargas
April 30th, 2009 at 6:54 am
why dont you guys hate on Huff or Yvonne???Talk about a distraction 2 the team.Huff said he lost da fire (wtf) and well never mind the donkey
April 30th, 2009 at 6:54 am
why cant Fargas remain on the team as a backup the last couple years of his carreer, like that NE RB who comes in and helps out whereever he can?
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Agreed. Fargas is our version of Kevin Faulk.
April 30th, 2009 at 6:56 am
good morning Dirt Lot, NMF, LMN, 4eva …
where’s Hwnrdr?
April 30th, 2009 at 6:56 am
antstandtheHaters Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 6:49 am
why cant Fargas remain on the team as a backup the last couple years of his carreer, like that NE RB who comes in and helps out whereever he can? plus i can also imagine him being a fair mentor to the youngsters, just like Green who was essential in Hendersons developement. this isnt Madden folks, guys like that are like extra coaches in the lockerroom and are valuable
I couldnt agree more,CSTH’s.He could be like the utility infielder in baseball,he dont need 2 start,but believe you me,he WILL be ready
April 30th, 2009 at 6:58 am
WELL SAID 4EVA POST-1041, FARGAS’S HEART IN J-RUSS AND THE ENTIRE D-LINE, THERE WOULD BE NO LOOKING BACK…..
April 30th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Morning Rockstar,I totally agree
Agreed. Fargas is our version of Kevin Faulk
April 30th, 2009 at 7:01 am
More Bush=Less Fargas.
I’m good with that.I just dont understand why any team would trade a valuable player like Huggy.Its a l-o-n-g season
April 30th, 2009 at 7:01 am
Goodmorning RRS…
except that Faulk was good, and Fargas isnt..
but hey, its okay if you like 5 wins a year, then why not keep him, no reason to develop our squad..
April 30th, 2009 at 7:05 am
our won-loss record has NOTHING to do with 1 player,thats plain silly LMN.Man o man that dumb-azz Fargas missed that game changing tackle on Lynch in Buffalo
April 30th, 2009 at 7:07 am
oh sh!t the falcons ran ALL OVER us.That Damn Fargas
April 30th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Fukk,Curry dropped another one,fukkin Fargas
April 30th, 2009 at 7:08 am
its okay if you like 5 wins a year, then why not keep him, no reason to develop our squad..
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LMN: I wouldn’t be shocked or upset if the Raiders cut Fargas in a cap move, but since he just restructured and he’s a team leader I don’t see it happening. Did you read my post #1042 ?
I think Louis Rankin is a good player, but still unproven in the NFL. If McFadden and/or Bush get hurt will Rankin be a starter quality NFL back? Fargas isn’t great, but he isn’t terrible either …
April 30th, 2009 at 7:08 am
Dammit,Jmac over/under threw another WIDE-OPEN WR,fukkin Fargas
April 30th, 2009 at 7:09 am
Turdell Sands just got bitch-slapped again,fukkin Fargas
April 30th, 2009 at 7:10 am
Fukkin Lance Kiffin is sabotaging the whole team,fukkin Fargas
April 30th, 2009 at 7:12 am
if he steals snaps from better players it does.. when fargas is on the field our playbook gets diminished..
so yeah, with Fargas on the roster(and Javon) i see us go 5-6 wins per season each year..
April 30th, 2009 at 7:12 am
Burgess plays waaaaaaaaaaaaay out of position,fukkin Fargas
April 30th, 2009 at 7:13 am
Meangelo Hall just got BURNT 4 another touchdown,fukkin Fargas
April 30th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Man LMN its only 10:13 here but I’m gonna have a FOSTERS anyway,fukkin Fargas
April 30th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Fargas won’t hold this team back, or cost us a game. He picks up blitzes, rarely fumbles, never pouts. He is the example of how to behave as a RB, and lets hope Bush and DMAC can couple their considerably greater talent with an attitude like Fargas’.
The three underperformers who COULD cost us games are Huff, Sands and Kelly.
April 30th, 2009 at 7:15 am
RRS
if both Bush and McFadden goes own we a fukked, no matter who the backup is, but if we want to develop our team, we dont have room for fargas IMO
Rankin, again as i see it, has more to offer, but he will never learn if Fargas steals his snaps… so this is exactly why Fargas needs to go
April 30th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Kwaaaameeee jumped again,fukkin Fargas
April 30th, 2009 at 7:17 am
LMN: Justin Fargas & Javon Walker (when healthy) are good players to keep on the roster for depth.
you’re not going to have a roster full of 53 pro bowlers. replacing these guys who have potential for 1000 yard seasons in favor of undrafted rookies is just plain dumb. If Javon becomes a distraction in the locker room then cut him. If Rankin outplays Fargas in camp then cut him. As long as these guys aren’t the worst at their positions on the team they will remain on the team. If we still counted on them to be playmakers we wouldn’t have drafted McFadden & DHB the last two drafts …
April 30th, 2009 at 7:17 am
fargas rarely fumbles? LOL he more or less cost us a game last season…
9 fumbles in 80 games, 28 starts…
April 30th, 2009 at 7:18 am
Believe me I could go on and on but I think its clear we have many problems.Dmac and Bush only had 2 good games apiece last year,fukkin Fargas
April 30th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Fargas 28 starts,2500 rushing yards,that fukkin Fargas
April 30th, 2009 at 7:19 am
—”If Rankin outplays Fargas in camp then cut him. As long as these guys aren’t the worst at their positions on the team they will remain on the team.”—
thats exactly the problem, even if Rankin outplays Fargas, as he did last year, the coaches will keep Fargas..
April 30th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Fargas won’t hold this team back, or cost us a game. He picks up blitzes, rarely fumbles, never pouts. He is the example of how to behave as a RB, and lets hope Bush and DMAC can couple their considerably greater talent with an attitude like Fargas’.
The three underperformers who COULD cost us games are Huff, Sands and Kelly.
BO KNOWS
April 30th, 2009 at 7:23 am
hENRY lAWRENCE
April 30th, 2009 at 7:23 am
fair enough, go have fun…
Im outta here…
April 30th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Henry Lawrence was on here yesterday,and was rightly complaining,if you were gonna get in a fight who would you want or who would stand up on defence??? Well I’ll tell you 1 thing I’d take Fargas EVERY TIME
April 30th, 2009 at 7:25 am
TY 4eva
April 30th, 2009 at 7:26 am
in what game did Rankin out-preform Fargas???
April 30th, 2009 at 7:27 am
4eva stop already…ive had to clean coffee off the computer 4 times……ufnkin fargas lol
April 30th, 2009 at 7:29 am
4eva…
stop drinking, and start reading… IN CAMP!!
—”if you were gonna get in a fight who would you want or who would stand up on defence??? Well I’ll tell you 1 thing I’d take Fargas EVERY TIME”—
woaw, get a grip, man, what a valid point, LOL, Well I think I would want Rocky or Rambo..
See ya, Im outta here, go have fun…
April 30th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Jano dropped the fake punt, that fukkin Fargas
April 30th, 2009 at 7:30 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 7:15 am
RRS
if both Bush and McFadden goes own we a fukked, no matter who the backup is, but if we want to develop our team, we dont have room for fargas IMO
Rankin, again as i see it, has more to offer, but he will never learn if Fargas steals his snaps… so this is exactly why Fargas needs to go
Kinda like why Yvonne need 2 go so DHB can get time.Only thing is Yvonne the donkey NEVER did ANYTHING GOOD 4 us Huggy has
April 30th, 2009 at 7:30 am
I meant FG
April 30th, 2009 at 7:30 am
LMN you’re a fool if you don’t understand how having Fargas on our team is a positive thing.
Have you been following the team the last 2 years?
April 30th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Jano dropped the fake punt, that fukkin Fargas
WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 30th, 2009 at 7:32 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 7:29 am
4eva…
stop drinking, and start reading… IN CAMP!!
—”if you were gonna get in a fight who would you want or who would stand up on defence??? Well I’ll tell you 1 thing I’d take Fargas EVERY TIME”—
woaw, get a grip, man, what a valid point, LOL, Well I think I would want Rocky or Rambo..
See ya, Im outta here, go have fun…
======================================================= LMN i choose G.I Joe and Super Man LMFAO
April 30th, 2009 at 7:32 am
OK LMN I would want Rambo 2!!!
April 30th, 2009 at 7:40 am
oh well THANK-YOU LMN because this ICE-COLD FOSTERS is WONDERFULL
April 30th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Fosters Ale,i might add :=)
April 30th, 2009 at 7:46 am
You’re right we never have to call time out because Fargas is out of breath after a play.
–Because he never runs far enough past the line of scrimmage to become out of breath.
Let’s keep him so we can save the timeouts!
April 30th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Lets see; Dis-chargers,Lions Saints,Browns.Yep those teams have never hit the big-time.Kina feel 4 the Lions being in the league 4ever,maybe the aints 2.But…Dis-chargers and Browns,HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
April 30th, 2009 at 7:51 am
The biggest question will we be able to finally stop run and where both the offense and defense responsible for how bad both were we couldn’t score or move the ball so the d was out there all the time. But the d would get killed on opening drives and give up lots in the first half and make the offense pass way to much.
April 30th, 2009 at 7:51 am
1087 lol
April 30th, 2009 at 7:52 am
4evaRaider Says:
More Bush=Less Fargas
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I’m always for more Bush!
Fargas bounces off of his blockers loses 2 yards at the goal line. Fugg fargas.
Let me channel Dakota:
“Fugg Cable for his play calling on the goal line!! No Fargas down there! More Bush!!!’
April 30th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Like I’ve said,I love all our RB’s and I hope they taste a S/B together
April 30th, 2009 at 7:53 am
DHB is looking at about $55 million over five years with at least $21 million guaranteed.
-David White (SF Chronicle)
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yikes! He better be the #1 WR and play like it
April 30th, 2009 at 7:55 am
If you wannna hate,hate donkeys
April 30th, 2009 at 7:55 am
hate kwaaaaameeeeeeeeeeee
April 30th, 2009 at 7:55 am
hate sapp
April 30th, 2009 at 7:56 am
hate bspn
April 30th, 2009 at 7:56 am
hate roselle
April 30th, 2009 at 7:56 am
hate franco
April 30th, 2009 at 7:57 am
hate da tuck
April 30th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Raiders have a May 8-10 mandatory minicamp.
any vet FA’s you guys think we might sign in the next 8 or 9 days?
April 30th, 2009 at 7:57 am
hate refs
April 30th, 2009 at 7:57 am
hate me
April 30th, 2009 at 7:58 am
You’re cool 4eva and I see all the things you see and respect in fargas and don’t wanna toss him aside but I don’t even wanna see 1 carry taken away from Dmac/Bush for him and would love to see Rankin get a shot. Of course the Giants have a great line but what made their 3rb so dangerous was they were all equally dangerous Jacobs power/Ward catching the ball and jukes/bradshaw speed I just don’t see what fargas brings on the field.
April 30th, 2009 at 7:59 am
UFA class up to nine
The Raiders have added Tennessee State wide receiver Chris Johnson and Oregon linebacker Jerome Boyd to the class of undrafted free agents, which now stands at nine.
Johnson, listed at 6-2 and 180 pounds, was TSU’s leading receiver and punt returner the past two years, according to the Tennessean, which first reported the signing.
For his career, Johnson had 127 catches for 2,155 yards and 12 touchdowns.
Boyd signed with the Raiders today, according to raiderbeat.com. According to his school bio, Boyd is 6-2, 217 pounds and owner of the fastest 40 time by a Ducks linebacker (4.33) seconds. Injuries are an issue, apparently.
-David White (SF Chronicle)
April 30th, 2009 at 7:59 am
OK I give up the soap-box :=)
April 30th, 2009 at 8:05 am
NoMoreFargas Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 7:58 am
You’re cool 4eva and I see all the things you see and respect in fargas and don’t wanna toss him aside but I don’t even wanna see 1 carry taken away from Dmac/Bush for him and would love to see Rankin get a shot. Of course the Giants have a great line but what made their 3rb so dangerous was they were all equally dangerous Jacobs power/Ward catching the ball and jukes/bradshaw speed I just don’t see what fargas brings on the field
Good post my BROTHER,and I am with you,I dont want 2 see Fargas take reps away from,imo,better backs like Bush&Dmac.This year they should EARN the job from Fargas,but in my heart I hope Fargas retires a Raider,and I think he will b/c as hard as this is 4 me 2 say,I dont think Huggys HEART will be thers 4 any other team.I think he bleeds SILVER&BLACK and there is no room 4 ANY other COLOR,imo
April 30th, 2009 at 8:05 am
As long as DHB doesn’t wake up face up in a Las Vegas alley with piss and blood all over his face, I’d say Al is improving his WR evaluation skills.
April 30th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Come on Dakota,I sense your presence :=)
April 30th, 2009 at 8:07 am
After winning of course what do you want to see more opening game on MNF, Mitchell lighting up Tomlisnon or Dmac or Bush throwing a td to miller payback for all those bs tomlinson td throws.
April 30th, 2009 at 8:09 am
Have you ever had a gang of friends you ran around with, but knew if you got in a tight spot they did not have the NUTTS to have your back? So when you were with them and the air got too thick, ya knew ya needed to get the fu(k out, QUICK cause these clowns couldn’t/wouldn’t throw down with ya, or just did’t know how???
I bet thats how Michael Mitchell will feel when he gets on the field! Who is gonna back him up?? Sapp would have, Regan Upshaw would have, Rod Coleman would have, D Russ would have, Romo would have, he!! even Gannon would have tried. But who do we have in this group that has the nuts to get after the other team the way we should, the way Tatum and Hayes did?? The way Michael Mitchell will????
So I ask you, who do we have with nutts?
April 30th, 2009 at 8:09 am
After the last couple of years, for the MNF opener I´m just hoping its still a game starting the 4th quarter…
April 30th, 2009 at 8:10 am
Man all I can say is ALL YOU GUYS ARE GREAT.My family
April 30th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Henry Fargas needs 2 play defense LOL
April 30th, 2009 at 8:12 am
We need a Charles Philip!
Charles Philip Bednarik (born May 1, 1925 in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania) is a former professional American football player, known as one of the most devastating tacklers in the history of football and the last two-way player in the National Football League. A Slovak-American from the Lehigh Valley region of Pennsylvania, he is perhaps best remembered for a tackle on the New York Giants’ Frank Gifford, then a star running back, that knocked Gifford out of professional football for a year and a half, and shortened Gifford’s playing career.
He played for the Philadelphia Eagles from the late 1940s to the early 1960s and, upon retirement, was immediately voted entry into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1967 (his year of Hall of Fame eligibility).
Bednarik currently resides in Coopersburg, Pennsylvania in the Lehigh Valley. His great-nephew, Adam Bednarik, was a third-string backup quarterback at West Virginia University
April 30th, 2009 at 8:15 am
4evaRaider Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 8:10 am
Man all I can say is ALL YOU GUYS ARE GREAT.My family
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Ditto 4eve, 1 NATION!!!
You are correct about Fargas on Defense. We need that heart, that fire, drive.
But we would still need that “FU(K you up attitude”!!
April 30th, 2009 at 8:18 am
When we played the Redskins in the S/B,Henry Lawrence led the team out of the tunnel.My girlfriend at the time said,OMG that guy is HUGE. I told her yep these guys are the modern day gladiators.Lawrence was a STUD
April 30th, 2009 at 8:22 am
hey Henry;Maybe these youngsters like Mitchell and Joseph are just the type of players we need.I say they will be!!!
April 30th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Jerry, great read here on the risk, or non risk according to most pundits concerning Crabtree, when selecting any receiver in the first round no matter what pick you have to take him with.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/49ers/2009/04/29/time-machine-49ers-were-thrilled-to-get-stokes-at-no-10-in-1995/
April 30th, 2009 at 8:29 am
The one thing you cannot coach is speed.
April 30th, 2009 at 8:31 am
4evaRaider Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 8:22 am
hey Henry;Maybe these youngsters like Mitchell and Joseph are just the type of players we need.I say they will be!!!
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Yes thay are the type of players we must have. We just don’t have many now. we have to target a few more strikers via trade, vet cuts in June, and in futer drafts. Roy Williams would have been nice to teach Mitchell some tricks, if ya know what I mean???
RAY LEWIS is my, is my, is my…. I just can’t say it…
April 30th, 2009 at 8:32 am
NoMoreFargas,
I would LOVE 2C Mitchell hit Lady tomlinson high and Joseph hit him low and thats all 4 lady tomlinson
April 30th, 2009 at 8:33 am
RAY LEWIS is my, is my, is my…. I just can’t say it…
Is Ray your son Henry???
April 30th, 2009 at 8:34 am
MaddenRedneck Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 8:29 am
The one thing you cannot coach is speed.
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Whaaat u got sum speeed man???
NO, but I got a jo!nt.
April 30th, 2009 at 8:36 am
4evaRaider Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 8:33 am
RAY LEWIS is my, is my, is my…. I just can’t say it…
Is Ray your son Henry???
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I can see were he is going with that one, Ray Lewis the baddest non-Raider player in the leauge.
Or his son.
April 30th, 2009 at 8:38 am
fire that bad-boy up DR!!!
April 30th, 2009 at 8:42 am
They call him killer”
Since the Raiders inception in 1960, there has been an emphasis placed on having monstrous offensive linemen to protect the quarterback and to basically control the line of scrimmage. This trend has been an ongoing process ever since. There have been many, many great offensive linemen over the last forty-plus years. It’s a pleasure to have had the chance to sit down and talk football with one of the all-time great offensive linemen, right tackle, Henry “Killer” Lawrence.
Henry was born in a camp for migrant workers in Danville, PA. Just days before his birth, his mother was picking potatoes to help support the family. Henry also worked in the fields for the better part of his first 15 years. Henry is the third of six children born into the Lawrence family. Even though life was a constant struggle throughout Henry’s childhood, the family managed to stick together and finally persevere. All six of the Lawrence children attended college, a real testament to the courage and resolve of the entire family. Henry now resides in Florida, where his parents live and where he was raised.
“Well, it’s home and my folks are getting old.” Said Henry. “My mom’s been a little sick, so I decided I’d stay (down south) and kind of hang out with them a little bit. As far as Florida goes, I like the heat, the moisture and the humidity because of the skin.” As tough as Henry played, I’m sure his skin can use some soothing.
Henry had never played offensive tackle before his junior year at Florida A&M. He had been used to playing positions such as tight end, defensive end and wide receiver as he did in high school. Lawrence didn’t like his new position at first, but as the years passed and he made it to the National Football League, he became more passionate about the position.
Henry’s nickname “Killer” was bestowed upon him during his formative years in high school and college. On his first day of practice, during his junior year at Florida A&M after the switch to offensive tackle, he remembered something that his high school coach had told him once. When the play went away from your side of the line, you should go down field and knock somebody over. Did he ever! The “Killer” had arrived.
As a member of the Raiders, Henry continued to play with that same aggression, making him one of the greatest offensive linemen to have worn the Silver and Black.
Henry played on an offensive line with the Raiders that included three hall-of-famers, center Jim Otto, LT Art Shell and LG Gene Upshaw. When Shell and Upshaw were in their prime, it was an almost certainty that the Raiders were going to run left. This theory helped make the Raiders a championship caliber team year after year. As the years passed and the aforementioned legends grew older, the focus of the running game shifted to the right side of the line, where Henry and the great Mickey Marvin resided. Henry has had the good fortune to play with numerous, HUGE offensive linemen besides Otto, Upshaw, Shell and Marvin. He also lined-up with players like John Vella, George Beuhler, Dave Dalby and Charlie Hannah to name a few.
“Ah, it was great!” exclaimed Henry when asked about playing with the behemoth teammates of his era. “ I had a great time with athletes like that. It was considered a paradise coming to Oakland to play. But I’m sure just like anything else; there were ups and downs with negatives and positives. The bottom line was that everybody wanted to win and if you could contribute to (winning) then we, as a team, just moved on.”
“We were playing great teams that had great athletes like that too, but at that time, we were bigger, and in most cases, bigger is better. A lot of teams just couldn’t deal with that. A lot of teams tried to figure out for years on how they were going to beat those Raiders. Finally, everybody kind of figured out that you have to go and get some 300-pound linemen to combat the 300-pound linemen. Now everybody’s doing it that’s the standard now. If you’re not 300 pounds now, they don’t look at you like you can play (offensive) line.”
“People used to try to understand how we’d win those close games in the last three to five minutes, basically it boiled down to wearing people down. When you get a big force going against a little force over a repetitious amount of times in the battlefield of the trenches, it takes a toll. The only unfortunate thing was that we weren’t that innovated offensively to do some of the things that we were capable of doing, but overall, it worked out pretty well.”
The Raiders have had many memorable games. The “Heidi bowl”, the “Sea of hands” and “The holly roller” are a few of the great ones. Henry is a big part of the rich history that belongs to the Raiders and has played in numerous memorable games. “Probably the most memorable, besides the Superbowl, was a playoff game against the Baltimore Colts in 1977. I remember that we had a double-overtime. I had a sack on me in that game; to me it was so devastating. We played them for five quarters, and in the sixth quarter they got that sack on me. To this day I still blame myself for that sack.”
“We ended up winning that game. After the game, everybody was cheering and celebrating. We were in the locker room, in the shower, and I was crying like a baby. Art Shell looked at me and said, “what the @$%* is wrong with you?” I said to Art, while still crying, ‘they got a sack on me!’ Art looked at me and said, “I’m glad to see that, it lets me know that you take pride in what you’re doing.” The reason I picked that game (as my favorite) is because of what Art Shell told me, it was a compliment. Coming from Art Shell, who himself was passionate for the game, had great skills and played by my side is something to remember. You talk about the trenches, those were the trenches.”
Henry Lawrence has secured his place in the annals of Oakland Raiders history; he’s an old school guy with a big heart. “Man, back then it was something else, and a blessing to be playing with the Raiders.” No, Henry, you are the blessing.
April 30th, 2009 at 8:44 am
4evaRaider Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 8:38 am
fire that bad-boy up DR!!!
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Come on 4eve, lets go get Chinese eyed..
April 30th, 2009 at 8:45 am
I bet that sh!t grows good in the Swamp’s huh eva??
April 30th, 2009 at 8:45 am
So I have been thinking about what this team will look like moving forward into the Cable/Tollner/Marshall era, assuming that the only guys they would want to keep are YOUNG, effective players that they directly or indirectly drafted, signed or approved. Big assumption I know, but it is only an exercise to show what direction they are moving.
First I will do the All-Cable Offense.
QB: Russell (Garcia, Gradkowski are just filling in)
HB: McFadden, Bush, Rankin
FB: O’Neal, Reece
RT: Barnes, Pears, Marten
RG:(no starter)Johnson, Felton
C: Satele
LG: Gallery
LT: Henderson
TE: Miller, Meyers, Strong
WR: DHB, Schilens, Murphy, JLH, Shields
This draft allowed Cable to clean out what remained of the old WR’s like Curry and the fill-ins like Lelie, Walker, Watkins and Carter.
The O-line has all young starters except at RG where Carlisle can hold it down until Marcus Johnson, Robert Felton, Mark Wilson or perhaps another rookie can take over. Other than at RT we lack depth along the entire line. TE is locked up real solid as is HB.
Future starters needed: RG
Future back-ups needed: RG, C, LG, LT, QB, FB
April 30th, 2009 at 8:50 am
we got James Jett as an undrafted rookie free agent.
The 49ers drafted JJ Stokes 10th overall.
Jett played 9 seasons and finished his career as the 8th-leading receiver in Oakland Raiders team history.
Stokes played 8 seasons for the 49ers and is best remembered for Bill Romanowski spitting in his face during a Monday Night Football game in 1997. LOL
April 30th, 2009 at 8:53 am
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April 30th, 2009 at 8:54 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 8:50 am
we got James Jett as an undrafted rookie free agent.
The 49ers drafted JJ Stokes 10th overall.
Jett played 9 seasons and finished his career as the 8th-leading receiver in Oakland Raiders team history.
Stokes played 8 seasons for the 49ers and is best remembered for Bill Romanowski spitting in his face during a Monday Night Football game in 1997. LOL
Bill Romanowski spitting in his face during a Monday Night Football game in 1997.
I know it is disrespectful, but I am with Henery Lawrence on this, we need wore of that type of hate on our team. We need an enforcer, or two.
April 30th, 2009 at 8:58 am
QB: Russell (Garcia, Gradkowski are just filling in)
HB: McFadden, Bush, Rankin
FB: O’Neal, Reece
RT: Barnes, Pears, Marten
RG:(no starter)Johnson, Felton
C: Satele
LG: Gallery
LT: Henderson
TE: Miller, Meyers, Strong
WR: DHB, Schilens, Murphy, JLH, Shields
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McQuisy, Morris, and Carlyle can play RG, it’s the best we got
April 30th, 2009 at 8:59 am
The O-line has all young starters except at RG where Carlisle can hold it down until Marcus Johnson, Robert Felton, Mark Wilson or perhaps another rookie can take over. Other than at RT we lack depth along the entire line. TE is locked up real solid as is HB.
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I think Marl Wilson is a LT
April 30th, 2009 at 9:00 am
grows very good Dirty!!!
And Thank you soo much 4 that article on the GREAT Henry Lawrence.WOW what GREAT Parents he had and the safty net ALL kids need.We love the WHOLE Lawrence family and wish there were more,lots more like them!!! :=)
April 30th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Mark
April 30th, 2009 at 9:03 am
4evaRaider Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 9:00 am
grows very good Dirty!!!
And Thank you soo much 4 that article on the GREAT Henry Lawrence.WOW what GREAT Parents he had and the safty net ALL kids need.We love the WHOLE Lawrence family and wish there were more,lots more like them!!! :=)
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I got his Jersey in 1981… IT DOES NOT FIT ANY LONGER!!
April 30th, 2009 at 9:03 am
I still cant believe there is a camera lens big enough 2 get those awesome studs in 1 picture :=)
April 30th, 2009 at 9:04 am
You MUST be 1 HUGE mofo Dirty
April 30th, 2009 at 9:04 am
4evaRaider Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 7:10 am
Fukkin Lance Kiffin is sabotaging the whole team,fukkin Fargas
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Fukkin Al Davis sacrificed the entire 08 season to build a case against Lance kiffin…fukkin Fargas!!!
lol, but really…Fargas can stay as long as he takes ZERO snaps from Bush and McFadden if they are healthy…but if Tom Cable’s love affair with the “great guy” that can’t score touchdowns continues, well, then Tom is writing his own ticket out of town.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Players with a passion…
I remind you that we now have Zack Crockett in the front office.
I still spit on the ground whenever I think of Gruden’s spineless decision in the snow to forget Zack on 4th and 1, to punt (a ten yard punt) instead.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Morris, McQuistan, Johnson, Felton, and undrafted rookie Jonathan Compas will compete for the two backup guard spots …
Pears, Marten, Green and the loser of the Henderson/Barnes battle will compete at for the starting RT job
April 30th, 2009 at 9:06 am
well Dirty,being laid-off,I start my day by burning 1 and turning on the lap-top!!!
April 30th, 2009 at 9:08 am
I remind you that we now have Zack Crockett in the front office.
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we might need him to suit up and play FB if we can’t find a veteran or undrafted rookie free agent to come in and compete
April 30th, 2009 at 9:09 am
4eva: you got laid off today?
April 30th, 2009 at 9:11 am
I agree with that Dakota,like i said I just hope Justin retires a Raider
April 30th, 2009 at 9:16 am
4evaRaider Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 9:04 am
You MUST be 1 HUGE mofo Dirty
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Yeah, no Sh!t.
I am 6′4″ and I do weigh 315.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Rockstar,I got laid-off 1 week B4 Christmas.Been laid-off B4,as I am a new construction commercial plumber.No big deal,the o’lady makes like 36k a year at the hospital,so we just roll with it.To be perfectly honest,the last 8 years I worked soo much I didnt get any time off,so it evens out,so 2 speak.And I get un-employment benefits,enough 2 pay most bills,anr I think I can get them for 33 more weeks!!!!!!Work will pick up again,it always does,so I just enjoy my time here with all my brothers.And I;m still gonna make the K.C. game Nov.15th!!!!!!!!!!!
April 30th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Rockstar,
my thoughts exactly. Suit up the managing general partner’s assistant Mr Crockett.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Wow K.C. in beautifull Oakland CA.,right at Thanksgiving time!!!!.Man-O-Man I just LOVE Thanksgiving :=)
April 30th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Russell and DHB have at least one thing in common; they both have a lot to prove in the NFL.
If they truly wanted to succeed, they would be joined at the hip, so to speak, in the offseason, getting tons of work in together much like Marvin Harrison and Manning did in Indy.
But I doubt Russell would have that kind of commitment to his trade. Besides, his mommy might have toe surgery that he will have to miss training camp for…
April 30th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Damm Dirty,how in the world didnt those toms see you????You know they see EVERYTHING
April 30th, 2009 at 9:28 am
or a run in her nylons Dakota LOL
April 30th, 2009 at 9:29 am
That might keep him out of game 1 4eva.
April 30th, 2009 at 9:29 am
and you guys just know the whole world comes 2 an end when they get a “run” in their nylons!!!
April 30th, 2009 at 9:32 am
…and now for the All-Marshall team, which is a little harder and more controversial since he has just arrived.
LDE: Shaughnessy
NT: ???
DT: Boschetti, Bryant
RDE: Scott (not a Marsall guy, but he is staying)
SOLB: Sulak
MLB: Joseph
WOLB: Norris
SS: Mike Mitchell
FS: Branch, Eugene
CB: Asmougha, Johnson, Miller
Future starters needed: NT, DT, SOLB, MLB, WLB
Future reserves needed: NT, DT, SS, LDE, RDE, CB
April 30th, 2009 at 9:32 am
hey Dakota I dont know if you read yesterday but…There was a lady in North Dakota that got arrested 4 breast-feeding her baby while she was drunk.Now I know you live in S.Dakota,but…your wife is in San Diego and well you know :=)
April 30th, 2009 at 9:37 am
just connecting the dots!!!
April 30th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Dakota Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Russell and DHB have at least one thing in common; they both have a lot to prove in the NFL.
If they truly wanted to succeed, they would be joined at the hip, so to speak, in the offseason, getting tons of work in together much like Marvin Harrison and Manning did in Indy.
But I doubt Russell would have that kind of commitment to his trade. Besides, his mommy might have toe surgery that he will have to miss training camp for…
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DHB needs his contract done before he can bond with JRUSS.
And are you still ragging on Russell for missing a week of offseason work (with permission) to see his Ma through surgery? Pretty half-assed supporrt, but you ARE a Cub fan…
Were you selling out Phil Jackson when he missed games with that booboo on his hip?
April 30th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Bo,
I am talking about DHB and what I would like to see him and Russell do in the future together…I’m not saying it has to be this week obviously. Don’t you agree that it would improve both their games if they worked out together like Manning and Harrison?
As to Russell, I like him and have defended him against the naysayers that are already calling him a bust, but until he is in the pro bowl I don’t think he can afford many grandmother’s food runs back home with the excuse his mommy is undergoing knee surgery.
I like Russell, but as Tom Cable said, he has to start acting like the leader of the team (in other words cable was saying, get your ass back to the offseason workouts young man, no one needs to take a week off to help their mom through a minor mcl procedure, you are milking it and I don’t like it), until then he is just an overpaid momma’s boy…with lots of potential.
With 9 titles Phil has earned a night off due to his own medical issues
April 30th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Dakota,
How do you know his mom’s surgery wasn;t a legitimate reason to be gone? It was offseason and with permission. Is there any evidence it was bogus?
And I am all for Bey working with Jamarcus, but I am worried about a long contract negotiation. First things first…
April 30th, 2009 at 10:03 am
well my pitt-bull wants 2 go 4 a walk.Maybe we will run into M.Vick if we are lucky!!!
April 30th, 2009 at 10:04 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
April 30th, 2009 at 10:02 am
It’s raining in England, fukkin fargas
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April 30th, 2009 at 10:08 am
New post up
April 30th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Right up to the end of last year Cable was saying how much he liked Fargas and how important he was to the team.
I think Cable wants to keep Fargas. Unfortunately they’e been trying to trade Huff and teams don’t like that “I’ve lost my enthusiam” crap so I thinking they’re trying to sell them as a package deal.
I really like the guy and don’t want him to leave but I see Bush starting and alternation winh Fargas.
The way Fargas runs he is definitely injury-prone.
I keep remembering that fat-ass slow-motion injury-prone Jordan. Fargas looked like lightning compared to Jordan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xg2ZMyhGflc&feature=fvsr
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