Five who need to step it up
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, May 4th, 2009 at 12:33 pm in Oakland Raiders.
With a five-practice mandatory minicamp looking Friday, a short list of veterans who who will need to step it up or be in danger of losing their starting job or roster spot:
QB JaMarcus Russell– What kind of shape is he in? How is he taking to being `mentored” by Jeff Garcia?
Coach Tom Cable has praised Russell’s preparation, but the underlying message has been the same _ we need more from you, we want more from you.
It’s lunacy to begin to affix a “bust” label to Russell after he played relatively well down the stretch, albeit in games dominated by the run. At the same time, the Raiders should expect a big jump in terms of his quality of play this year.
If that were to happen, the Raiders are legitimate division title contenders. If it doesn’t, then the scrutiny will be intense and Garcia will go from mentor to beloved No. 2.
It’s about time for the Raiders to break out an NFL-quality passing game. With good passing teams, the ball rarely hits the ground in non-contact sessions.
The turf in Alameda and Napa has been littered with footballs since the start of the 2006 season. The receiving corps is still very young, but there ought to be some improvement in Russell’s practice accuracy from last year to this year.
DE Jay Richardson–He’s had 22 starts in two seasons and his strength at 6-foot-6, 280 pounds is supposed to be at the point of attack as a base end. But Richardson too often fails to hold his edge or is pushed aside because he plays too high, resulting in rushing gains in his direction.
The Raiders made Matt Shaughnessy out of Wisconsin a third-round draft pick, and Greyson Gunheim, a practice squad promotion, turned some heads with his play in the season finale against Tampa Bay.
S Michael Huff–Rest assured Huff was dangled as trade bait, but his lack of production and a contract befitting the No. 7 overall pick in the 2006 draft made him untradeable. Teams realize if Huff is cut, they can bring him in at the minimum salary.
Cable has already identified Hiram Eugene, who started the last five games of the season, as one of the team leaders. The draft picks of each of the last two years, Tyvon Branch and Mike Mitchell, look to have the potential to provide the physicality lacking in Huff.
If undrafted free agent Jerome Boyd makes a good impression, Huff’s roster spot could be in jeopardy.
WR Javon Walker–The Raiders are on the hook for $4.6 million over the next two seasons, regardless of whether Walker plays or not.
It was about this time last year Lane Kiffin began expressing concerns about Walker’s conditioning. Cable is more likely to express those concerns to Walker in private. What is really on trial is Walker’s passion and love for the game. He had a legitimate reason to be distracted last year after he was beaten and robbed in Las Vegas.
With new flyers Darrius Heyward-Bey and Louis Murphy in the mix, along with Johnnie Lee Higgins and Chaz Schilens, Walker will either be pushed back into prominence or pushed off the roster.
DE Derrick Burgess–If form holds, this will be the last Burgess sighting until training camp. His roster spot is safe, because he makes a reasonable $2 million salary in the final year of his contract and pass rushers are hard to find.
A cynic would suggest Burgess will be good for 12 sacks in a contract year. Perhaps, but the bigger issue with Burgess has been his health. What the Raiders ought to consider is making Burgess a nickel rusher, keeping his snaps down, and trying to help him maintain optimum health by avoiding rushing downs against tackles who outweigh him by 60 pounds.
DHB profile
– Beat writer Steve Corkran wrote this story on Darrius Heyward-Bey in today’s Bay Area News Group-East Bay papers.
– If Terdell Sands tackled ball-carriers and went after opposing guards and centers with the same ferocity he went after Lane Kiffin in his local paper, he wouldn’t be referred to as an underacheiver.
Sands’ beliefs do serve to underscore the utter lack of drama which should make this year’s minicamps and training camps more conducive to putting a good product on the field in Week 1.
Last year’s Lane vs. Al show essentially had the Raiders as no-shows for the opener.
– Over the last few days I’ve been conducting interviews for a closer look at Raiders safety Mike Mitchell, the controversial second-round pick who elicited scorn from Mel Kiper Jr., an apology from Mike Mayock and was mocked by Cris Carter.
While checking in with people who saw Mitchell extensively and also prepared to play against him came this gem from Central Michigan coach assistant head coach and wide receivers coach Zach Azzanni regarding a hit against star wide reciever Bryan Anderson.
“We had a three-time All-MAC wideout, 6-foot-5, 210 pounds,” Azzanni said. “Mitchell just knocked the absolute piss out of him. I thought he killed him on the sideline. That’s how hard he hit.”
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May 4th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
sweeeeet!
May 4th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
There is nothing for Jerry to report about the Raiders right now. Do you want him to break down the Dallas practice facility collapse or something?
Oh wait…he came up with something, lol
May 4th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
“We had a three-time All-MAC wideout, 6-foot-5, 210 pounds,” Azzanni said. “Mitchell just knocked the absolute piss out of him. I thought he killed him on the sideline. That’s how hard he hit.”
That is fugging awesome!
May 4th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
I like when an opposing coach says something like thsat about a player!
May 4th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Burgess will have a huge year. Contract year.
May 4th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
“I thought he killed him on the sideline.”
I hope this translates to the NFL!
May 4th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
LightEmUp,
hopefully it translates to ballcarriers as well as wideouts. (Read : knock the snot out of Tomlinson on opening night.)
May 4th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Russell needs more weeks like the game last year in Denver. I rewatched the game this weekend. He was 10 for 11 with a 149 rating an the announcers said a ball didn’t hit the ground the entire practice week.
The one thing that bugged me was how bad Fargas was in the Red Zone. He has no business trying to go over the top of D lineman or, go through Linebackers. I swear he must run with his eyes closed.
May 4th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
There was a good little video up on one of these Blog sites that featured Mitchell. I’ll see if I can find it and post the link.
May 4th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Mike Mitchell arrested in Sarasota for shooting another guy in the chest.
TE Zach Miller on the Jags.
Ain’t kiddin’.
May 4th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
M Lonetree, wtf? You have a link?
May 4th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Thought he Killed him!!!!
MM is the man, can’t wait to see him do that in the NFL.
May 4th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Lol, shut up M…that’s not even funny
May 4th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Nice article Jerry. Jamarcus needs to step up. “Jivin” REALLY needs to step up. Richardson needs to show he belongs. Huff needs to figure it the eff out. Or start selling insurance back in Texas. Burgess is one guy I don’t really worry about. Sands is right: that the mess between Kiffin and Davis ruined last season. Completely, ruined it. As for Mitchell knocking out MAC receivers, this is the NFL, not the Mac. Mitchell is going to be asked to knock out 6′6″, 270 lb TE’s that run 4.65 forties. Do that, and then we’ll talk.
May 4th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
M,
Boy, you crazy!!! lol
May 4th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Mike the Head Hunter Mitchell, and swan is Soft.
Just ask Atkinson.
May 4th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Just read about Mike Mitchell in Leonard Pitts’ Liami Herald column.
Zach Miller was drafted by the Jags in round 5.
different guys, but accurately told.
told ya I wasn’t kidding.
May 4th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Liami = Miami
May 4th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Mario Henderson
May 4th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
That was one thing I wondered about while watching the MM Youtube video. What kind of opponents are we talking about? No doubt, he brings the wood, but against who? What kind of talent level was he knocking the piss out of?
May 4th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Damn, that was a good one M! You had me googling like a mo fo
May 4th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
you are pretty reliable M. Have to say tho, chances are it is another Michael Mitchell. There might be one or two in the entire Miami area we have nothing to do with.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
The MAC is a very very good football conference. No doubt about it. But, the NFL it ain’t.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Is truth stranger than fiction?
May 4th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
We know Mike Mitchell can make the big hit, but can he make the consistent open-field tackle? The million-dollar question.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Oakglenn,
18 year old Mike Mitchell of Sarasota.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Just spicing up the afternoon without speculation.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Five who need to step it up:
Khalif Barnes
Mario Henderson
Samson Satele
Cooper Carlisle
Terdell Sands
Five more who need to step it up:
Trevor Scott
Gerard Warren
Tommy Kelly
Kirk Morrison
John Bowie
May 4th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Derrick Gibson knocked the piss out of people too sometimes. I don’t want another Derrick Gibson.
But you gotta love Mitchell’s attitude through it all. Tough to see the first two picks do anything other than work hard, stay positive and improve every-day. I got a good feeling about both.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
I imagine there are also some Ohio State coaches that Mike Mitchell made an impression on. He laid out their QB on that youtube video.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Rockstar,
your 5 who need to step up are far more significant than any of Jerry’s choices, except The Franchise.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Free dirty!
May 4th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Stuart Schweigert knocked the piss out of Tony Gonzalez once …
May 4th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
I am FREE!!
May 4th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
LOL
just what the DR ordered!
May 4th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
I’m watching Khalif Barnes on NFLN right now. So far I like what I see. I’m not sure I understand the concern about his abilities.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
The big Turd needs to step it the hell up also Jerry!
May 4th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Five who need to step up:
Terdell Sands!
Gerard Warren!
Tommy Kelly!
Kirk Morrison!
Jay Richardson!
The Raiders ain’t winning games if they rank anywhere near 31st against the run. Also, these players have no real competition in camp. Ryan Boschetti is just another guy, the other DT played at Harvard….and the Raiders have no Base Defensive End options on the roster at all. Franz Joseph is an undrafted free agent…
So these guys have to step it up. It will be hard for them since the starting jobs have been HANDED to them.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
I imagine Chris Carter’s negative opinion of the Raiders has been colored by his buddy, Randy Moss.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
KoolKell,i don`t care if carter has a negative opinion of the raiders.he was way out of line in dhb.and for that matter so was dilfer,jackson and suzy kolbert and espn.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
SnB Defense ,
howard needs to step it up against the run as well.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Al doesn’t care about the defensive line.
That’s why we suck.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
As for the draft…Davis is being criticized for the wrong things. “The D-HB” and Mike Mitchell picks were unorthodox in that they were slight reaches but filled positions of need. Those two players project well with their skill sets.
Where Davis’ draft needs to be slammed is the selections of Matt Shaugnessy and Slade Norris. Those two picks were just terrible, terrible reaches. THe Raiders by-passed a lot of talent.
Jasper Brinkley, Terrance Knighton, Sammie Lee Hill, Lawrence Sidbury, Terrance Taylor, Jason Phillips, Zach Follett and a slew of OTs would have been much better options.
And when its all said and done…we still have no Base DE and no real NT.
May 4th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
it’s matt shaugnessy not mark.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
The Raiders ain’t winning games if they rank anywhere near 31st against the run. Also, these players have no real competition in camp. Ryan Boschetti is just another guy, the other DT played at Harvard….and the Raiders have no Base Defensive End options on the roster at all. Franz Joseph is an undrafted free agent…
So these guys have to step it up. It will be hard for them since the starting jobs have been HANDED to them
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Agreed. I don’t expect William Joseph, Ryan Boschetti or that rookie Bryant to make an impact if one of these guys do make the team. Shaughnessy is a base end, but battled injuries all throughout college. Gunheim & Gray are unknowns at this point. Scott & Burgess are situational pass rushers. J-Rich is a base end who was added for depth and special teams, but ended up beating all the other clowns out (Kalimba Edwards, Quentin Moses & Tyler Brayton) and starting!
I want to see Frantz Joseph beat Alston & Williams out of a roster spot before I start saying he can be a factor. I know he’s not replacing Morrison, Howard, Brown or Ekejiuba.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
SnB Defense Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Where Davis’ draft needs to be slammed is the selections of Matt Shaugnessy and Slade Norris. Those two picks were just terrible, terrible reaches. THe Raiders by-passed a lot of talent.
Jasper Brinkley, Terrance Knighton, Sammie Lee Hill, Lawrence Sidbury, Terrance Taylor, Jason Phillips, Zach Follett and a slew of OTs would have been much better options.
And when its all said and done…we still have no Base DE and no real
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Agreed!
May 4th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
SnB Defense ,
matt shaughnessy had 60 tackles 18.5 tackles for loss 5 sacks as a jr.40 tackles 8 tackles for loss 4 sacks as a sr.when healthy that`s your base de.bot still no nt.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
It’s obvious Al’s draft intentions were to improve the WR core and to get high character guys. Nothing wrong with that, both were huge needs, but he just needs to learn how to “play” the draft and get better value.
We are in rebuilding stage, and hopefully this draft year is the year we got some play-making WR’s and next year we can get some run-stopping lineman and/or LB’s.
The sky isn’t falling folks.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
SnB have you seen Shaunnassey play?
May 4th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Als Kirk did you talk to Al Davis and he said he doesn’t care about the defensive? Or are you making the usual assumptions that run rampant in here?
May 4th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
SnB when you say base DE exactly what do you mean?
May 4th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Wow about time Jerry…lol i thought u got laid off or something due to our unstable economy.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Shaunnassey battled injuries is true, but he WON THE BATTLE. How many college games did he miss? He broke his leg in the spring, and still made All Big-Ten. Seems like he had some bad breaks, played through the pain, and was always productive.
Why is this not a good pick in the 3rd round?
May 4th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
If Davis didn’t care about the defense he wouldn’t have spent 4 of 7 draft picks on it.
Wouldn’t have resigned Asomugha, Johnson, Brown or Joseph.
Wouldn’t have added Boschetti or any undrafted players either.
He would have signed a bunch of cast offs from Denver & KC and rolled with it …
Jason Babin, Rocky Boiman, Oliver Celestin, Donnie Edwards & Patrick Surtain are still out there.
So are Ebenezer Ekuban, Marlon McCree, Edell Shepherd, Nate Webster, Josh Shaw, Dewayne Robertson, Niko Koutouvides, Jamie Winborn, Marquand Manuel, John Engelberger and Dre Bly.
YIKES! maybe I shouldn’t have said anything …
May 4th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
I am talking about a DE who’s strength is to take on the RT and TE on running plays. A guy in the 275 – 290 range that can force the running back outside and get some penetration in the backfield.
Not the best pass rusher but can be counted on to get some pressure on the QB during the game. Maybe a 5 or 6 sack season.
A DE that can stay in all downs except obvious nickle/dime situations….The DEs on the roster are all situational pass rushers that get overwhelmed against the run…or injured as is the case with Burgess.
“What the Raiders ought to consider is making Burgess a nickel rusher, keeping his snaps down, and trying to help him maintain optimum health by avoiding rushing downs against tackles who outweigh him by 60 pounds.”
May 4th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Ryan Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Russell needs more weeks like the game last year in Denver. I rewatched the game this weekend. He was 10 for 11 with a 149 rating an the announcers said a ball didn’t hit the ground the entire practice week.
The one thing that bugged me was how bad Fargas was in the Red Zone. He has no business trying to go over the top of D lineman or, go through Linebackers. I swear he must run with his eyes closed.
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Play calling didn’t help Farg at all. Horrible play calling running to the 4-6 hole repeatedly and making Denvers decimated, linebackerless defense look like world beaters on the goal line.
Thats the game where McFadden persuaded Cable to let him take the toss outside on the goal line and break the Raiders 206 play TD drought.
Its also the game where Thomas Howard got 2 roughing the QB penalties that were absolute BS.
Earlier, blitzing from the safety spot Gibril Wilson launched himself at Cutler and drove the crown of his helmet into the whine bags chops.
Cutler jumped up screaming and the refs put a dress on him the rest of the game.
And we STILL WON…
May 4th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Where Davis’ draft needs to be slammed is the selections of Matt Shaugnessy and Slade Norris. Those two picks were just terrible, terrible reaches.
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That’s awful analysis SnB. Nessy was projected as high as a 2nd round pick, and Norris was brought in for STs and additional pass rush.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Vegas Raider,
Shaughnessy is 6-5 260lbs. Don’t we have enough guys with this profile on the team. Now you add Stryker and Slade and that’s THREE pass rush guys for a team that already had Scott and Burgess…
May 4th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
SnB Defense Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
I am talking about a DE who’s strength is to take on the RT and TE on running plays. A guy in the 275 – 290 range that can force the running back outside and get some penetration in the backfield.
Not the best pass rusher but can be counted on to get some pressure on the QB during the game. Maybe a 5 or 6 sack season
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I think every NFL team could use one of these. How many of these guys are in the entire league, 5 or 6? There’s only one really good one in our division, Castillo.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Jerry you are the greatest,.ever,…your insights are unmatched….you should be a consultant to the Raiders…oh, and Disneyland hasnt been as happy since you left. Keep up the great work Jerry.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
More about that Denver game…
Chris Johnson SHUT Brandon Marshall and Eddie Royal DOWN.
Holy crap! Steelers release Larry Foote!
http://www.nfl.com/news/story
Johnson had a TD called back for minor interference and literally blanketed the red hot Bronco wide outs all day long.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
S&B: speed kills … your chances of winning
we need football players. hopefully these speedy high character guys can play the game. also are smart and coachable
May 4th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
SnB that is precisely what Shaunessey is a base DE who play in a run dominated Big 10 and played extremely well. In fact I watched the Penn St film on him and he wreaked havoc on them rushing the passer as well as stopping the run. When Penn St ran the ball they ran away from him.
Shaunessey is 22 years old and needs o fill out and by the time he does he’ll be right at 280-85. But right now he can startat base end for the Raiders and be a definite upgrade over last year.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
SnB, #58
We don’t have enough of anything on our team, except kicking. A consistent pass-rush was a huge issue for this team, Scott really had one good game and Burgess is on his way out. We take three guys, 2 maybe make the team, and hopefully one is productive. That’s about all you can expect from 4th, 5th and 7th rounders, isn’t it?
May 4th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Burgess will not be our LDE this year.
That’s like saying Fargas will start at RB.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
SnB BTW do you kn ow the size of the edge ruahers for the Steelers and Ravens? look it up and let’s see if they’re 280-90 sure their front 3 are in that range but they play a3/4 in a 4/3 system a DE at 270 is great, check the rest of the league.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
If MM is really a gem of a player, I hope he gets into the lineup ASAP. The Raider Nation needs a physical defense…its been a long time since we have seen one.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
We don’t have enough of anything on our team, except kicking.
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I disagree. Janikowski has been VERY inconsistant throughout the years. He’ll make one from 55 yards out and them come back and miss a 40 yarder. He’ll make one in the dirt against the wind, then miss a 25 yard chip shot. I can’t wrap my mind around the fact that he’s our all time leading scorer. shows you just how bad the offense has been over the last 6 years.
I wish we could see a whole lot less of both Seabass & Shane!
May 4th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
vegas raider Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
SnB Defense Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
I am talking about a DE who’s strength is to take on the RT and TE on running plays. A guy in the 275 – 290 range that can force the running back outside and get some penetration in the backfield.
Not the best pass rusher but can be counted on to get some pressure on the QB during the game. Maybe a 5 or 6 sack season
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I think every NFL team could use one of these. How many of these guys are in the entire league, 5 or 6? There’s only one really good one in our division, Castillo.
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Tyson Jackson #3 overall KC Chiefs 6-4, 295.
His motor runs hot and cold, but he’s supposed to be able to stack the edge.
He and last years 5th overall draft pick 6-1, 297 lb. Glen Dorsey will likely set the other side.
Shawne Merriman is back and in case he’s not his old self, they drafted 6-2, 274 lb. DE Larry English 16th overall.
Better hope our patch work tackles and Cable’s ZBS can rule the day.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
I will not support any player until Jerry posts in here that hes a good player,..without Jerrys endorsement, I will not support. Jerry is the greatest.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
i think it`s best to look at teams that play the same defense and see what size their de are.
1.bears
2.vikings
3.redskins
4.texans
5.seahawks
May 4th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
why do people think that one rookie safety (who was considered a reach in Round 2 by everyone except Raider fans) is going to transform our defense into a physical, nasty, fearsome, pain inflicting unit?
There are 10 other guys on that side of the ball fellas. the front seven has to set the tone. we’ve done next to nothing to improve there this offseason so here’s hoping I was right when I said that coaching & scheme make a difference!
we’ll find out soon enough …
May 4th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
RR we all hope that, the Riaders asked way too much of both their kickers which has some picking on Seabass because he puts points on the board. Our offense was so bad that when he missed we loss. But in reality he shouldn’t have had to win the games as often as he was. Jano is easily a top ten kicker or better but we couldn’t score TD’s so his misses were glaring.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Safety Michael Mitchell: Knockin’ bishes owt…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KF2-_OXoA
Looks like a better hitter than tackler, but great reads and recovery speed while the balls in flight.
Have to question the level of competition of course, but I hope he translates to the NFL. If he and Tyvon can range and hit we may be onto something
May 4th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
RR most of what we did was on the front7 which is where we needed it the most.
Because we didn’t take the DT’s everyone wanted which gives you the perception that we did nothing up front but in reality that is not the case.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Nmamdi,
Tyson Jackson and Glen Dorsey might be top 5 washouts. I like how Jackson, a huge reach; no other top-10 team would have took him, is a good “system-fit” while DHB is a laughinstock.
O-line held up well against KC last year, and for 3 quarters against SD. SD is great at getting to the QB, that’s why they go to the playoffs and win games. It’s not a huge disgrace if we have trouble containing Castillo, Merriman, and English.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Check Seattle’s roster from last season, all the DE’s are in the 270 range.
Shaugnessy weighed 266 at the combine, and is listed as 270 on the Raider’s website. Gunheim is 265, Burgess is 260, Richardson is 280 and Scott, bless his heart, is like 250 soaking wet. I think Board is looking to have Richardson and Shaugnessy as the “starters” with Burgess, Scott and Gunheim fighting for reserve roles this season, and eventually Scott and Sulak becoming the nickel rushers.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Justin Tuck – 6-5 275lbs
Robert Geathers – 6-3 273
Kyle VanDenBausch – 6′4 278
Of course our good friend Tyler Brayton was miscast and misused…now he starts for Carolina 6′4 280
We gotta stop thinking about highlight reel football. Its the mundane that wins in football. Winning the line of scrimmage is more important than some highlight real sack that you will only see once or twice a game.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Jerry: Good analysis. I’m sure most of us will agree with you on all points.
However, you’re totally wrong with your defense of Javon Walker. You stated: “He had a legitimate reason to be distracted last year after he was beaten and robbed.” Hey, Jerry, the idiot, Javon baby, put himself in that situation. He’s not all there. Paying $1500 a bottle for ten bottles ($15,000.00) of bubbly to spray on people in a night club says a lot about the fool. He’ll be cut. His character is suspect and his best days were before his injuries.
Another area of improvement needs to be the removal of Al Davis’s “scholarship program” where Al covers these non-productive idiots, year after year, starting with Williams and Condo, among others.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Vegas Raider,
I liked the Tyson Jackson pick for K.C. Prior to the draft, I was hoping the Raiders would take a flier out on him.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Except for a few elite teams, every team has a weakness. Ours is obvious, we can’t stop the run consitantly. It will be an issue for awhile and one 2nd round pick would have only made a slight dent in the problem. Ravens haven’t been able to score for years, and the Kurt Warner Rams weren’t very good on D for stretches. They still competed for titles year in and year out.
We will have to try to play to our strengths, mask our weaknesses and grind out some W’s. If we were one missing part away, we wouldn’t be picking 7th.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
RR most of what we did was on the front7 which is where we needed it the most.
Because we didn’t take the DT’s everyone wanted which gives you the perception that we did nothing up front but in reality that is not the case.
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priesttj :
so Ryan Boschetti & Matt Shaughnessy make us a solid front 7 ?
please don’t tell me you’re counting on the undrafted kids!
May 4th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Jerry Mac says:
“It’s lunacy to begin to affix a “bust” label to Russell after he played relatively well down the stretch, albeit in games dominated by the run. At the same time, the Raiders should expect a big jump in terms of his quality of play this year.
If that were to happen, the Raiders are legitimate division title contenders. If it doesn’t, then the scrutiny will be intense and Garcia will go from mentor to beloved No. 2.”
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And that is your 2009 Oakland Raiders season folks. All other concerns about the d-line, safeties, Javon Walker, etc. all run a distant 2nd. This season is all about JaMarcus.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
SnB Defense Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Vegas Raider,
I liked the Tyson Jackson pick for K.C. Prior to the draft, I was hoping the Raiders would take a flier out on him.
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Instead we took a “flier” on someone else. We need to stop taking these “fliers” and take talent where it is slated to go, at least in the first two rounds.
I think Jackson will be servicable but not spectacular, and certainly not worth the #3 pick.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
My point exactly, BBB it was obvious to me as draft unfolded that John Marshall was getting his players. When Dwain played for the 49ers he was 245. Patrick Kerney is 265-70 at best and if you really look at Shaugnessey that’s what they were trying for.
Incidently a base DE is anyone who plays in your base defense, it is strictly according to the scheme you want to run and it’s base form. Most DE’s in a 4/3 are 270 at best LDE are normally bigger due to the emphasis on the run But the kid in Indy is 260, the kid in Jax is 265 and so on and so on. All ove the league both R/L DE’s in a 4/3 are right at 260-70.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Nation what is up???????
Cut bait with walker, could we have gotten a bag of rocks for him?
Whats up with Shields? does anyone have any newson him?
Did you guys read the interview with DHB. Sounds like
he will playing with a chip on his shoulders……
May 4th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
#31 against the Run.
#32 Passing Offense.
Cable thinks the D problems was mostly due to coaching and the O problems was due to lack of talent. Hense the DHB and Murphy picks.
Here’s hoping Cable is right. It would be nice to have a Raiders coach be right for a change.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
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May 4th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
I saw Dwaine Board play. He played at 270 not 245.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
the d has problems an it all starts up front.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Vegas Raider says,
I think Jackson will be servicable but not spectacular, and certainly not worth the #3 pick.
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Right now the Raiders just need 1 guy up front to be serviceable against the run. Serviceable is a 20th ranked run defense…or something like that….31st is unacceptable
May 4th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
vegas raider Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Nmamdi,
Tyson Jackson and Glen Dorsey might be top 5 washouts. I like how Jackson, a huge reach; no other top-10 team would have took him, is a good “system-fit” while DHB is a laughinstock.
O-line held up well against KC last year, and for 3 quarters against SD. SD is great at getting to the QB, that’s why they go to the playoffs and win games. It’s not a huge disgrace if we have trouble containing Castillo, Merriman, and English.
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KC was the worst in the League at getting to the passer but that will change along with their new 3-4 and 2 top 10 D line picks. rach or no, Jackson wil hav e to be accounted for.
Without Merriman the Chargers were ranked 22nd in sacks in 08′ and worst in the NFL in coverage after leading the league only the year before.
I don’t see them staying **** for very long.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
I think Shields is probably in the same boat with every WR on the roster not named Higgins, Schilens and Heyward-Bey — fighting for a roster spot. I’d say Louis Murphy is likely to stick, that only leaves probably 1 spot for Shields, Walker, DJ Hall, etc. Shields is probably held back by his injury history but should make the team if he plays well in practice and preseason.
May 4th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Question is our o-line capable of sustaining long drives and scoring TD’s instead of FG’s?????
May 4th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
agreed Priest,
Marshall’s 43 needs two guys in the 265-270 range; the guy with the quickest first step is on the right, the guy with the best technique against the run plays on the left. Shaughnessy has great technique versus the run and tons of experience against it, playing the run-heavy Big-10. He is your prototype base DE. Gunheim and Richardson also have the size and strength to play against the run, I imagine they will be battling each other for the other roster spot. I would not be surprised to see Burgess finally moved to the right-side. What is he gonna do, say no and ride the pine in his contract year?
May 4th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
see you guys tomorrow
May 4th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
the d has problems an it all starts up front.
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This is a common misconception.
For any regular football team that would be correct. For Oakland, the run D depends on the offense putting points on the board.
They need to be more disciplined and mind their gaps (when they do, they are not bad), but when the offense goes 206 plays with out a TD it exposes Davis’s pass rush cover D scheme.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
We kept 6 wr’s on the roster last year if I am not mistaken. so chris add Shields to the list. I would still cut walker and keep hall.
Walker is a no 2 at best. Al should have let him go when he asked for it. I am surprised he didn get killed out there with that attitude.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Thec1 Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Question is our o-line capable of sustaining long drives and scoring TD’s instead of FG’s?????
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Thats the plan.
If we can spring DMC I bet he won’t let anymore safeties catch him from behind…
I think everyones going to be pleasantly surprised by how spectacular Bush is going to be…if they play him…
May 4th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Nmamdi,
No doubt, it is an obstacle trying to block the Chargers on obvious passing-downs. I remember the Colts at home in the playoffs, with Pro-bowlers everywhere on offense including LT, getting their tail-whipped by SD’s pass rush. It is what it is.
I’m not buying into the “resurgence” of the KC’s D-line. It is an exact parallel to our passing game, we got a few rookies, and DHB will have to be “accounted” for, but more than likely we will still be in the bottom half of the league in passing and KC will be near the bottom in rushing the passer and run D.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
We should definetly be deploying a 2 back offense, not just feature DMAC. I want to see them both on the field.
Now the question is where do you fit Vick????
May 4th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
You saw like blind man KK, Dwain has never been that heavy Tommy Hartman was that wieght. Cedric Hardeman was also right at 255 at best I know I saw those guy’s almost every week in street clothes.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Where is LMN??
Was the Shawarma good you little….
I have been wanting one for 2 years now, so I hope you enjoyed it. lol
May 4th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Nnamdi21,
at some point at lease one of the front four has too forget about sacks and play for the team and stop the run.pass rusher make more than run stoppers and thats what is going on here.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
The offense was fine last year when Kwame Harris got off the field and the Raiders put some REAL receivers on the field.
Had the Raiders got a do-over…with a starting lineup of Schilens, JLH and Henderson…the pass offense would have fared much better.
also, DMAC was hurt for most of the year….so the offense..and Russell will be fine. NOw you add “The D-HB” and it should get more potent.
There has been no acceptable answer in personnel to the defensive woes last year. We have to hope Marshall and Board are as good at teaching as Cable says they are.
The offense is going to score points this year. Power running, decent receivers good QB. Can the defense avoid those Pats, Saints, Broncos (1), Falcons, Chargers (2) type of games where the defense got blown up from the starting whistle.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
I mean Tommy Hart was that weight.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
What up Thec?
About Vick, no where bro. Keep the Cancer out pls!!
May 4th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Thec1 Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
We should definetly be deploying a 2 back offense, not just feature DMAC. I want to see them both on the field.
Now the question is where do you fit Vick????
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Vick will be playing in the UFL this year, and hopefully here in Vegas!!!
Think about it, they will probably pay him more than the NFL, not have to wait to be re-instated, and give him a starting QB job right away.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
O,
what up bro. I thew that Vick thing out there to stir the pot….
How you been man?
May 4th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Thec1….
Good to see ya back in here with the “degenerates.”
May 4th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
909, what up my Brother????????
Hey we go 0-20 and i will still be a fan. I stick my head in hear daily to read what is going down. I will say some of the stuff is really funny. I an cracking up all the time.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
TJackson was a great system by all analysts. I love it that they hate us, were relevant
May 4th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
great system fit
May 4th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
SnB Defense ,
i hate to say it but you have too bank alot of the run defense on ryan boschetti and jay richardson.those two need to realize their here to stop the run not get sacks.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Nation, I gotta bounce. someone schedules a 3:30 meeting go figure.
Ther is only one NATION on the planet.
RAIDER NATION……
May 4th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Dude,
I’m great, it’s a nice hot day.
Have you been to El Cajon lately, it looks Diff!!
I have to agree with BHP, I don’t see the Oline as a problem. We added to OTs who were starters, and a 24yr old starting C.
We should be fine, I think!!
May 4th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Thec1 Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
We should definetly be deploying a 2 back offense, not just feature DMAC. I want to see them both on the field.
Now the question is where do you fit Vick????
======================================================= I think we had him at center thec…. hes been playing there the last 2 years
May 4th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
another big improvement over last years d that needs to be accounted for is a full year of CJohnson over Hall. Royals not gonna do that to us this time around
May 4th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
The move implies that the Steelers were unable to find a trade partner for Foote, even for only a seventh-round pick.
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Jeezus Al, you couldn’t offer a 7th round pick for him? How could no team offer a 7th round pick for an AT WORST marginal nfl starting LB? What is the % of 7th rounders even making the team, better yet contribute for 7 years? Unreal.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Later Thec, and enjoy the nice day.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
I know the Raiders will never have a great run defense, because run defense is an afterthought. I kind of get it…can’t be good at everything….I just want a serviceable run defense…Ranked around 20th or so….that’s all.
Again, if the Raiders give up 160 yards on the ground per game and 4.7 yds per carry…the record will be 4-12 to 5-11…if the defense can cut that number by say 40 yards a game…the offense will score enough points to carry the day
Can we shave 40 yards a game and cut the damn 4.7 per carry down? THe Raiders haven’t for 6 years now
The Raiders will never have a great defense because they emphasize speed but choose to play a physical style.
I don’t need a great defense…just something to get us by.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
blackdeath29 Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
SnB Defense ,
i hate to say it but you have too bank alot of the run defense on ryan boschetti and jay richardson.those two need to realize their here to stop the run not get sacks.
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I am hoping that Board and company come up with a competent game plan. The talent on the roster is what it is
May 4th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
R8,
You feeling any better?
I told my wife about the Round World thing, and she is still laughing and calling me Stupid. lol
May 4th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
SnB man get a hold of yourself, it aint that bad.
Never have a great defense?
You guy’s take the last 6 years and basea 50 year history on it.
Relax………..MG!
May 4th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
SnB,
Here’s hoping we can score enough points and muster enough turnovers to “get by” as you say on D. Because at times, it won’t be pretty.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Naybe we can get the team to dress Raji in Raider uni and send you a picture. …. mr.melancholy
May 4th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
The Raiders are sub .500 over the last 20 yrs.
Relax, relax.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
BHP,
LMAO,
Sorry SnB, but that’s funny. lol
May 4th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
OK KK, go jump off a bridge.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
priesttj Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Naybe we can get the team to dress Raji in Raider uni and send you a picture. …. mr.melancholy
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Or Jarron Gilbert…Ron Brace, Sammie Lee Hill, Terrance Knighton, TErrence Taylor, Jasper Brinkley, Zach Follett, Tyson Jackson, Alex Magee, Rey Mauluaga….
BTW, I am fine with Heyward-Bey at #7. I am not fine with the talent on the defensive line. The Raiders did not bring in ANY credible competition at DT or DE. THat bothers me quite a bit because guys like Kelly, Sands, Burgess and Warren are not know for their consistency. And Sands and Kelly can’t even show up to camp in shape.
Yet everyone wants to pile on Russell…The focus on this team right now has to be that D-Line, THEY HAVE TO GET BETTER
May 4th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
O im feeling much better thax…im glad your wife liked it..just think about pearl harbor and the far east….im just saying
May 4th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Al Davis has GM’d 72 losses in the last 6 years. Ht-Wt-Speed baby!
May 4th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
We drafted MM and Shaughnessy, you know!
They should HELP against the Run, and don’t forget about Buschetti.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
SnB Defense ,
give kelly a chance to show up in shape.last year don`t count he had surgery.could not run or ride a bike,when you are that big your going to gain weight after surgery.sands has no excuse and he sucks!
May 4th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
R8,
Oh oh oh, stop, stop, not today, and not now. Please!!!
Made me look like an idiot once, do we have to make it twice!!
May 4th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
I can think of about 53 people that needs to step up.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Do you guys listen to Cable?!!
He said it was Coaching!!!
I think Cable knows the Team better than I do, so I will give him a chance this Season.
Maybe it was ALL COACHING!!
May 4th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Jamarcus Russell has everything he needs to take 2 steps forward. Period. He has better teachers, a better father figure in Cable, a QB with talent sitting right behind him instead of bad attitude Walter and more talent on offense to work with.
I’m surprised at the Richardson listing but its totally accurate. I thought he played well for awhile but I don’t know what happened. If you play Richardson at LE on run downs and Burgess on pass downs, I think that would be pretty ideal to increase the bulk on the strong side and keep the speedsters Shaughnessey, Gunheim or Scott going after the QB’s blind side on the RE.
Huff’s Kryptonite is gone. John Marshall is in town and for Huff, thats what the doctor ordered. Finally, someone who knows how to run a real defense and call a real defense.
I’m probably the only person here who believes in Javon Walker. Hes done more than everybody combined on this receiving squad so I’m not about to overlook him just yet. I liked him in GB and Denver and I hope hes carrying a chip on his shoulder because hes talented and should be more ready with more experience than the young guys and could be the catalyst for progressing Russell even faster.
Unless Burgess gets hurt, he should kill people if used right. I’m predicting 16 sacks under Marshall’s defense ONLY if he stays healthy, otherwise hes getting 10.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
LMFAO…im done…HAHA
May 4th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Just remember people, when you’re wearing a Raiders uniform, you’re a great player and when you’re not, you’re a terrible player. Just keep that in mind.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Did you guys see this. Interesting read….
April 20, 2009, 3:30 pm
Why Dolphins Gave Up on Samson Satele
By KC Joyner
The Football Scientist, KC Joyner, is a Fifth Down contributor. His latest book, Scientific Football 2009, is available for pre-order.
The question I have received from Dolphins fans more than any other this off-season is why Miami moved Samson Satele on his way. Satele was a second-round pick in 2007 and had what looked to be a very productive rookie campaign, so it seemed he had a long-term future in South Florida.
I was of that same mind-set until I broke down the tapes and compiled Satele’s run metrics from 2008. He did fairly well on yards per attempt on his 132 POA blocks; Dolphin ball carriers gained 711 yards (5.4 YPA), and his success percentage was 79.5%. An 80% POA win mark is the rule-of-thumb acceptable benchmark for an offensive lineman, and because centers as a whole tend to have lower POA win totals than do other offensive linemen, that means Satele’s totals, while not great, certainly grade him out as a decent run blocker. He did give up four sacks, but two of those were coverage sacks, so his overall pass blocking didn’t seem to be an issue either.
That raises the query: If it wasn’t his overall performance that caused Miami to give up on him, what was the problem? After perusing his metrics a bit further, the answer became rather obvious: Satele can’t run-block the big nose tackles in the A.F.C. East. The Jets’ Kris Jenkins and the Patriots’ Vince Wilfork are the types of players who can take over games when faced with the right matchup, and Satele was one of those matchups last year.
In the 16 POA runs Satele had against Jenkins, Dolphins runners gained only 48 yards (3.0 YPA). Satele also lost three of those battles, so his POA win percentage was only 81.3%, or just slightly higher than his overall mark. That sounds good, but it is also skewed by the fact that Satele received double-team help (either a combination block or a pure double-team block) against Jenkins 11 times. He lost two of the five single-block POA runs, and it was probably that 60.0% POA win total that told the Dolphins that they needed to make a move.
The numbers were worse for Satele against Wilfork, especially in their second matchup (i.e. not the game when the Wildcat was rolled out). In that contest, the two faced off on seven POA runs and Miami ball carriers gained only 18 yards (2.6 YPA) on those plays. Wilfork also won three of those matchups, so Satele’s win percentage against him was a completely unacceptable 57.1%.
There is good news for Dolphins fans. In a piece I wrote for the April 6 edition of ESPN The Magazine, I found that Jake Grove, the former Oakland center Miami signed to replace Satele, had a POA win percentage of 90.6%. He also did this despite being asked to single-block (i.e. block without double-team help) on 67.5% of his runs. Those numbers bode well for his being able to handle Wilfork and Jenkins with much more success than Satele did.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
The Raiders are sub .500 over the last 20 yrs.
Ht-Wt-Speed baby!
May 4th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
BHP,
I am concerned about the defense and have been for quite a while. I believe that the offense is going to do well this year. With the talent from last year…let alone the additions from the draft and free agency…
But the defense….man…I just can’t get my head around the weaknesses.
You’re an offensive coordinator and you have a team with a great run game and an “ok” pass game. What do you think the game plan is going to be facing the RAiders….Hmmmmm…Throw in the face of Nnamdi, Chris Johnson, Howard and Morrison in coverage and hard hitting Mitchell on patrol….
Or run the football.
Unless the Raiders are up by double digits in the 2nd half…teams are going to run, run, run until the Raiders prove they can stop it CONSISTENTLY
Comin up next on your local CBS/FOX broadcast….
Brandon Jacobs
Clinton Portis
Marion Barber
Brian Westbrook
Thomas Jones
LaDanian Tomlison
Knowshon Moreno
Larry Johnson
Steve Slaton
Willie Green
Willis McGahee
Also starring
Felix Jones
Darren Sproles
Ray Rice with LeRon McCants
And Special Guest stars
Alex Mack and Andre Smith….yes they will matter
May 4th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
“We had a three-time All-MAC wideout, 6-foot-5, 210 pounds,” Azzanni said. “Mitchell just knocked the absolute piss out of him. I thought he killed him on the sideline. That’s how hard he hit.
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hopefully hell do that to fargas in practice so we wont have to worry about him getting carries over bush.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
damn I cant wait till the friday fix….
May 4th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
408 is the blood presure back to normal ?
May 4th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
KC Joyner can stick his fancy-pants stats where the sun don’t shine. What was Grove’s POA % (LMAO) on 3rd and 1 runs up the middle? I don’t know but we never converted them.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
R8rpaver…
large amounts of alcohol cures all….
May 4th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
UP LOCO……
Effin Fargas….
May 4th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
The problem with our Offense was third downs, now we added help on thecO Line and WRs.
If the offense plays better, then the D stays off the field longer and they play better.
And if we improve the coaching as Cable said, then we should be just fine. IMHO
May 4th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
yo happy troll… hows life??
May 4th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
raidertay Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Did you guys see this. Interesting read….
April 20, 2009, 3:30 pm
Why Dolphins Gave Up on Samson Satele
By KC Joyner
The Football Scientist, KC Joyner, is a Fifth Down contributor. His latest book, Scientific Football 2009, is available for pre-order.
The question I have received from Dolphins fans more than any other this off-season is why Miami moved Samson Satele on his way. Satele was a second-round pick in 2007 and had what looked to be a very productive rookie campaign, so it seemed he had a long-term future in South Florida.
I was of that same mind-set until I broke down the tapes and compiled Satele’s run metrics from 2008. He did fairly well on yards per attempt on his 132 POA blocks; Dolphin ball carriers gained 711 yards (5.4 YPA), and his success percentage was 79.5%. An 80% POA win mark is the rule-of-thumb acceptable benchmark for an offensive lineman, and because centers as a whole tend to have lower POA win totals than do other offensive linemen, that means Satele’s totals, while not great, certainly grade him out as a decent run blocker. He did give up four sacks, but two of those were coverage sacks, so his overall pass blocking didn’t seem to be an issue either.
That raises the query: If it wasn’t his overall performance that caused Miami to give up on him, what was the problem? After perusing his metrics a bit further, the answer became rather obvious: Satele can’t run-block the big nose tackles in the A.F.C. East. The Jets’ Kris Jenkins and the Patriots’ Vince Wilfork are the types of players who can take over games when faced with the right matchup, and Satele was one of those matchups last year.
In the 16 POA runs Satele had against Jenkins, Dolphins runners gained only 48 yards (3.0 YPA). Satele also lost three of those battles, so his POA win percentage was only 81.3%, or just slightly higher than his overall mark. That sounds good, but it is also skewed by the fact that Satele received double-team help (either a combination block or a pure double-team block) against Jenkins 11 times. He lost two of the five single-block POA runs, and it was probably that 60.0% POA win total that told the Dolphins that they needed to make a move.
The numbers were worse for Satele against Wilfork, especially in their second matchup (i.e. not the game when the Wildcat was rolled out). In that contest, the two faced off on seven POA runs and Miami ball carriers gained only 18 yards (2.6 YPA) on those plays. Wilfork also won three of those matchups, so Satele’s win percentage against him was a completely unacceptable 57.1%.
There is good news for Dolphins fans. In a piece I wrote for the April 6 edition of ESPN The Magazine, I found that Jake Grove, the former Oakland center Miami signed to replace Satele, had a POA win percentage of 90.6%. He also did this despite being asked to single-block (i.e. block without double-team help) on 67.5% of his runs. Those numbers bode well for his being able to handle Wilfork and Jenkins with much more success than Satele did.
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Very nice read! I would like to see this on more players… Gallery vs Hutchinson
May 4th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Long Live Cable!!
May 4th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Hey NATION what the hell is jerrys problem holding out on the fix all weekend?
May 4th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
vegas raider Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
KC Joyner can stick his fancy-pants stats where the sun don’t shine. What was Grove’s POA % (LMAO) on 3rd and 1 runs up the middle? I don’t know but we never converted them.
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Vegas, it is not like you to ignor the facts/stats.
If it were 3rd and 1, who would you put your money on? Real MONEY, not RAIDER pride?
May 4th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Should I do a Movk draft for next year?!! lol
May 4th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Interesting how the Raiders are throwing Rob Ryan under the Bus at this time. Totally different from las year when he was defending Al.
But since Davis poured money on Kelly/Sands/Warren, it has to be the coaches fault, all of a sudden.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
408,
You see the fight? Can’t wait for Mayweather-Pacquaio, this town will go banana’s!!!!
May 4th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Okay okay, I give up. Some posters say Al Davis doesn’t care about the defense because of the way he drafts (the point is lost on me). Subsequents posts say Al Davis runs the defense by himself which means he would care as much or more as any of you do. Which is it? T’ain’t both. Are both closely held concepts wrong?
And anyone who disses on JaMarcus…the very young man is not Ryan Leaf, not Tim Couch, not Akili Smith, not Andre Ware…JRuss has shown moments in his lone season and he has the potential to be the greatest QB ever to wear the Silver and Black. And some of you crap down his back after one season. What in hell is wrong with that? Everything!
Live with fear and reap that bounty. Witness the moment and, eyes wide, understand the kid can be very very good.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Mock, sorry but I got too excited!!!
You guys know how much I love those Mocks!
May 4th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
That will be a great Fight, I was talking to Len about it yesterday
I can’t wait.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
O…I just spit my beer all over the computer LMAO…
May 4th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
DirtyRaccoon Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
vegas raider Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
KC Joyner can stick his fancy-pants stats where the sun don’t shine. What was Grove’s POA % (LMAO) on 3rd and 1 runs up the middle? I don’t know but we never converted them.
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Vegas, it is not like you to ignor the facts/stats.
If it were 3rd and 1, who would you put your money on? Real MONEY, not RAIDER pride?
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I think POA stats are opinion-based that’s why. Do you think Grove won the battle 90% of the time? I don’t.
On 3rd and 1, I know we were awful. I blame Fargas for some of it, and the middle of our O-line as well. If I had to put money on it, I would saw we have a better chance running outside than inside. Grove has to share in that blame. But who knows, maybe this new guy is worse.
May 4th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
I’m having too much fun, where is Bob? lol
Ain’t no sunshine when Bob is here!!
May 4th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
SnB, most of the run yardage against was in 2nd halfs.
Yes if we don’t score teams will load up on us and run the ball. No big secret. And if we don’t stop it they will run more. So we have to stop it.
But your worrying about it is not going to improve it. The coaches know better than you do that we have a bad run. They see the tape and they made the decisions. I told you that I didn’t think Raji could start on this team and they obviously agreed.
The Dt’s in the draft and FA aren’t necessarily upgrades, except in YOUR mind. they knw what’s out there and if they could’ve upgradeed they would’ve.
They felt that with a simplified scheme with emphasis gap control and rtackling that they can improve. until the season starts I’m going to except tgheir position because they know and also I agree with them. You think our DT’s suck I TOTALLY disagree.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
408….408….408….408….408….408….408….
May 4th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
That whole Satele read sucks for us but hey…theres a big difference in a power blocking scheme when going up 1 on 1 with someone vs. being in a cut blocking scheme where you don’t have to use your force and might against the opponent, you just take their legs out. Maybe thats why Grove’s stats were better? The system alone made his job easier?
May 4th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Raider O Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
That will be a great Fight, I was talking to Len about it yesterday
I can’t wait.
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I watched the fight at a closed-circuit viewing at the Mandalay Bay, bunch of celebrities everywhere and the energy on the strip was unlike anything I have seen in years. It will be even bigger for a Mayweather fight, although there won’t be a bunch of drunk Brits singing Ricky Hatton songs everywhere. I can’t wait either.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
vegas??? naa who won… Im more of a MMA fan than a boxing fan…
Any cool parties going on in vegas tomorrow???
May 4th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
167 LMAO… Happy troll rocks….
May 4th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
I saw the fight…unfortunately only 1 guy showed up.
At least Hatton tried and put his nose out there. Thats more than others can say.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
I can’t believe you guys are hating on Fargas. Hes our Day 1 starter baby. Put it in writing haha. Heart Triumphs.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
LAST TIME, stopping the run is mostly gap control and tackling……tackling is attitude.
It’s not having some big fat DT plug the hole. If you notice great backs can dance out of the that. Yeah you might not be able to run right at a defense with a great DT but you can stretch the play, which opens run lanes. Thus the emphasis on th strecth play.
A truely great DT can get penetration and crash the play by knocking off the timing or making the play himself.. But great players are great players whereever they are.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
408,
Pacquiao won by KO.
I’m sure some place will have some Cinco thing’s going on with tons of hot chicks (latinas) everywhere. Tuesday is kind of a buzz-kill though. I won’t be doing much, saving up for my D-day on Sundays (yes my B-Day is on Mother’s Day).
May 4th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Pacquaio is a bad ass lil dude…
May 4th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
vegas
its all about Negra Modelos and Patron shots tomorrow….
May 4th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
24,
The other thing to consider is Grove Stats are skewed with all of the games he missed. Especially compared with someone who hasnt missed a single game in two year.
The main argument was that he Staele couldnt block Wilfork and Chris Jenkins….who can?? Thats why those guys are probowlers.
Its a good sign that the Miami fans are asking why did they get rid of Staele. None of us would have been in an uproar if they had traded Grove.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
408,
I like MMA too, but nothing beats the energy of a prize fight out here. The whole town was juiced.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
I said this too many times. Grove was way underappreciated in here. The coaches DID NOT want to lose him, Parcells paid what we didn’t want to in oder to get him and he got him.
But everybody in here thought it was great now that GRove was gone. The coaches thought otherwise.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Blackholepreist,
I always enjoy reading what you have to write. I seldom see this site in the evenings when you normally post, but I see those the next morning. Thanks for what input you give.
Raider Up and Raider On.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
People still watch boxing? Why?
May 4th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
I think Satele is a better fit for what we do and Grove is a better fit for what the Dolphins do but they paid more and thats why we win.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Some of you guys are so sappy and corny. I just had to say it.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
Dakota – Because its better than watching Kobe.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
The best we can hope for is that grove for Satele is a push. Barnes is better than Green at RT, and hopefully Henderson should be even better than he was last season at LT.
Gulp.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
oooohhhh snap….
May 4th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
vegas raider Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
DirtyRaccoon Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
vegas raider Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
KC Joyner can stick his fancy-pants stats where the sun don’t shine. What was Grove’s POA % (LMAO) on 3rd and 1 runs up the middle? I don’t know but we never converted them.
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Vegas, it is not like you to ignor the facts/stats.
If it were 3rd and 1, who would you put your money on? Real MONEY, not RAIDER pride?
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I think POA stats are opinion-based that’s why. Do you think Grove won the battle 90% of the time? I don’t.
On 3rd and 1, I know we were awful. I blame Fargas for some of it, and the middle of our O-line as well. If I had to put money on it, I would saw we have a better chance running outside than inside. Grove has to share in that blame. But who knows, maybe this new guy is worse.
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Yeah, I don’t think he won 90%, but I am not a Football Scientist either like Mr. Joyner.
I do like stats, but they are just foor for thought. SS should do well in the ZBS, but we too have a very stout NT in our division.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
Right on! M Lonetree, I’ll do my best.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
priesttj Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
SnB, most of the run yardage against was in 2nd halfs.
Yes if we don’t score teams will load up on us and run the ball. No big secret. And if we don’t stop it they will run more. So we have to stop it.
But your worrying about it is not going to improve it. The coaches know better than you do that we have a bad run. They see the tape and they made the decisions. I told you that I didn’t think Raji could start on this team and they obviously agreed.
The Dt’s in the draft and FA aren’t necessarily upgrades, except in YOUR mind. they knw what’s out there and if they could’ve upgradeed they would’ve.
They felt that with a simplified scheme with emphasis gap control and rtackling that they can improve. until the season starts I’m going to except tgheir position because they know and also I agree with them. You think our DT’s suck I TOTALLY disagree.
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The game is 4quarters long….not 2. Marty Schottenheimer (spelling)…always said to just keep pounding on the Raiders and they will eventually cave in….Again, the game is 4 quarters
A team is not going to go out of its strategy unless they are down by a lot of points early…or they are down two scores late in the game. As for early in the game something like 21 points down. That’s a lot to ask of any offense to have to get 21 point leads and force the opponent to go away from your weakness…
You are right. The coaches are in the know…but that doesn’t stop me from making observations and comments. Right now they are saying that Ryan and company were SO BAD that they couldn’t coach the basics like gap discipline and tackling. All those defensive coaches found comnparable jobs in the NFL. But I do like Marshall and Board.
As for the draft and free agency….the Kelly/Warren/Sands did not play well enough last year to warrant no competition in camp. And no, Boschetti and the Harvard guy are not competition.
The jury on the DTs are still out. Hopefully they get coached up. But good defenses don’t give up 160 yards a game on the ground. I don’t care how bad the offense is.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
24,
haaa, good one, but I and 50 million other viewers would disagree with ya.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
24,
stats be statistics. and? Samson or Jake? Satele may flourish in the system. He may fail. It is all about capability and desire.
I always thought Grove was okay. Not Otto, not Dalby, not Mosebar or Crazy Ol’ Barrett, but okay. Does any center continually dominate very good nose tackles?
Cable pulled this trigger. Obviously he feels that Satele is a better fit in his scheme than Grove.
I have no problem with the exchange. And statistics be damned.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Dakota Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
People still watch boxing? Why?
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You get the glitz and glamour of a big sporting event. MMA just brings a bunch of tough guys in tight pants and Ed Hardy shirts. MMA will never overtake a top-level prize fight like this weekend.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I’ll bet horses running around a track this weekend had more viewers than that boxing match, lol.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Dakota Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I’ll bet horses running around a track this weekend had more viewers than that boxing match, lol.
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Not if the boxing match was free. Even with it costing $50 it will be pretty close.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
24,
you are a young man. BHP and I have seen this gig since its inception. Different perspective.
Nothing right nor wrong with either view, just nice for me to read someone who is not fixated on the recent few years as the end all be all.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Ooops, more people watch the fight than the horse race…maybe there is hope for this nation!
May 4th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
MMA rocks..
boxing= fixed
May 4th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Horse racing, boxing, mma, dog shows, bowling, x-games, WWF or whatever they call it these days, women’s sports, auto racing…
I just don’t get it.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
SnB you’re a smart football/Raider fan I’m not trying to say what you think is without merit. It’s ound football knowledge, my point is the competition you were asking for was not out there to be had….period
If there was a Reggie White in this draft then HELL YEAH but there wasn’t. Mark my words Raji will be a good player but not great. I’ll say this, even Sedrick Ellis will be a much better player. 2 years from now you’ll tell me the same thing.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Dakota,
you never told me if you knew the would-be mammoth cloner Dr Larry Abenbroad (I believe that was the name from the Hot Springs Mammoth Project). Or are you the would-be mammoth cloner himself?
Go Rockets!
May 4th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Horse Racing is extremely boring. Half the people don’t have a clue on whats going on, they’re just happy to place a bet. At least people can relate to fighters because they’re human and not munchkins on horses. Without better, horce racing would disappear but 2 guys fighting never gets old. If you’re at a bar and a fight happens, things get exciting. When you’re at a bar and 2 horses go racing by…everyone stops and says…WTF was that? I’ve had too many beers.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
MMA is great for TV, but the Elephant in the Room out here is the people that attend it.
A bunch of young kids, who pile 4-5 in a room, don’t tip well and start fights. That’s why your seeing more MMA fights, especially the middle-of-the pack fights, in other places besides Vegas lately. I think UFC 101 is going to be the first one not in Vegas in years.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Dakota – Womens sports haha. Thats messed up. How could you diss porn? Thats surely a woman sport.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
On that note I am out for the day…….
May 4th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
boxing is better than soccer tho…
May 4th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
M Lonetree – Nothin against you but what happened 27 years ago has clouded the older generations minds. Some hang onto the greatest of the past while others realize that the past is so long ago, its time to move on and face reality and see things the way they really are. The other problem is the fixation of what one person had accomplished at one time in their life. Its like the fight with Hatton against Pacquiao. Hatton is Al Davis and Pacquiao is the new wave. Hatton has had a great record but after time, something else came along and beat him and now his time is nearing. Some of us are ready to follow Pacquiao because hes a winner while others will continue to follow Hatton because he “used to be” a winner.
Every great person gets too old and every great person loses his stride. Theres nothing wrong with it, thats just life. Like they say in the NFL…its nothing personal, its just business and when the Packers are ready to move on from Brett Favre at the age of 39, its like saying the Raiders are ready to move on without Al Davis at 79.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
yo whats up this tajay of the mighty souls of mischief crew, iM chilling with my man phesto my man aplus and my man op u know hes dope, and right we just maxin in the studio, we coming east oakland california ..and sometimes it gets hectic out there, but right now, we going to tell u how we just chill”
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cant wait to come to the town and see the raiders Destroy the chargers….This is the Year yall@!
May 4th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Heiroglyphics are sick
May 4th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
Jamarus will blossom this year,Dmac & Bush will run all over the nfl, Miller Will have a breakout year, Are young receivers will be the most dangerous corps because javon becomes comeback player of the year with 70 catches 10 tds, Our new O line WIll be solid,Henderson will smack people,our dts will play better because of our better offense,burgess gets 12 sacks with scott gets about 9 this year, FranTZ joseph Will make the team and split time with morrison, mitchell will be the new ronnie lott, eugune will be that team leader–chris johnson, and routt Will thrive being next to a player like Nmandi..seasass will make a 61 yarder, we already know about shane…sepcial teams is in place -
We are going to the playoffs this Year!!!
May 4th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
24,
so you believe that if Big Al stepped aside and it was under new oversight that the Raiders would again become a dominant force? Hmmm…addition by subtraction is a concept. Please explain how that would work (as most NFL franchises are failures each and every year).
May 4th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
Hmmmm…I remember saying we’d make the playoffs….6 YEARS AGO!!! Haha.
I know Frantz Joseph is an undrafted rookie free agent. The odds are that he won’t make the team but if he does, he could be our next Greg Biekert but with even more aggression hopefully. Theres a reason he want undrafted but hey…maybe he’s better than advertised? I would really like to see Marshall get a guy like him to play the middle and move Morrison over to strong. That would be ideal.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
24,
someone in here wrote that FranzJosefLand secured a two year contract.
May 4th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
M Lonetree – I’ve said this before…I have no idea who’s going to take over the Raiders when AD gives it up or dies. To be honest, I’m not comfortable with the selections being his wife or son. If that happens then no but is Al Davis too stubborn to hand the keys to somebody who knows what they’re doing? As of right now, Al Davis is the guy but hes OBVIOUSLY not as good as he used to be in regards to running the Raiders. Compare the 60’s through the early 80’s to the late 80’s until now. A drastic difference.
I am hoping like hell that Davis has someone in mind to take over because if it goes anything like his choice of Head Coaches, we’re in big trouble. Lets face it…hes 79…what if he died tomorrow? Does he have a contingency plan or do the Raiders fall without him? Its already fallen up to this point but does it completely crumble?
May 4th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
24, wether you know it or not an historical perspective just helps understand how change comes about and how the lack of adapting to it can affect you. Our experience isn’t detrimental it allows a more comprehensive perspective on the present. I see football now as much different than you want to believe. You’re opinion that I’m or anyone else is stuck in the past is just your opinion.
I see very clearly what is taking place. I just handle it differently because I know this stuff is cyclical. I’ve seen teams arrive and fall and I seen why it happens.
That’s the reason why I told SnB long before it was popular that the Raiders needed to sign Cable. That’s when he was losing and everyone was calling for his head due to the Jano fumble. To me the meer fact that he had the balls to call that play under that kind of pressure said a lot to me. Forget the fact that it didn’t work. He went outside the box to spark the team. Something we desparately need right now.
A coach that wont coach scared. He is that confident that he’s going to go about this HIS way. Under Big Al that said a lot to me.
I firmly believe this is the right guy at the right time. Not that someone else couldn’t so it as well. But he’s here and he KNOWS the situation and yet he threw caution to the wind and tried to spark the team.
So far I see no reason to change my stance on him. He is refreshing.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
M Lonetree – That contract talk doesn’t mean anything. He can get cut like anybody else with minimal damages because he didn’t get a big bonus and the Raiders paid him the minimum salaries for rookies which is like $260,000 a year so it would cost close to nothing to cut him if he can’t make it through camp.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Priest – I agree with you. Cable is refreshing but every year there is something positive or optimistic that we can look to wouldn’t you agree? I know for sure that you’re an optimist. I would bet that every year you feel the same way. Thats great. The whole Cable thing and the coaching staff and everything else “sounds” like a great story. You and I both know that the Raiders usually ALWAYS look great on paper because lets be honest, I think we get some talented players but somehow its not working. Well why?
I know what you mean when you say cyclical. I understand that completely. Now…if the next 4 years go by and we go through 2 more coaches. I know you don’t think this way but then what? Seriously. If the current trend continues, what do we do? I know you’d rather take a wait and see approach but its alarming.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
24
“I think Satele is a better fit for what we do and Grove is a better fit for what the Dolphins do…”
Well said.
Found an article in a dolphins site that makes the same point:
“When new regimes take over in an organization, even talented players can be phased out because they weren’t hand-picked by the new staff or just aren’t good fits.
This was certainly the case for Satele, a talented, experienced young player who just wasn’t a good fit in the offense brought to Miami by Tony Sparano.
Here is why this trade was best for all parties involved:
Miami Dolphins
Signing Jake Grove was a questionable move, to be sure. $29.5 million is a lot of money to give a center, especially one that will soon be 30 years old and has a lengthy injury history.
Still, Grove is undoubtedly a better fit for the Dolphins than Satele. Though similar in size, Grove is stronger, more aggressive, and is better suited to handle big 3-4 nose tackles in Miami’s power-blocking scheme. The Dolphins have two of the NFL’s best nose tackles in their division in the Jets’ Kris Jenkins and New England’s Vince Wilfork, and we all know Marcus Stroud in Buffalo is no slouch either.
Quite simply, while both talented players, Grove is a better fit for the Dolphins’ blocking scheme, and is thus the right choice for the team.
Oakland Raiders
With the departure of Grove to Miami, the Raiders obviously had a vacancy at center.
In Satele, the Raiders gain a talented 24-year-old who has already started 32 regular season games in his first two pro seasons. He provides the durability Grove failed to show in Oakland, as well as tremendous athleticism and footwork — important traits for Oakland’s zone-blocking scheme.
In this scheme, size and strength take a backseat to speed, athleticism, footwork and technique – some of Satele’s best attributes. A misfit in Miami, Satele is a perfect fit in Oakland, and thus a great acquisition for the team.
Samson Satele
I expect no one is happier about this move than Satele himself. According to those that have spoken to him, Satele is glad to be out of Miami and excited to be heading to the west coast, which is closer to his home state of Hawaii.”
May 4th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
There is good reason for my optimism. I’m not optimistic about Giants or the Warriors. I’m optimistic about the raiders because I know the man who’s running the show and how bad he wants it.
My approach is not wait and see at all, you don’t know me very well. My approach is to take charge, but I have my opinions on how to take cahrge and you have yours.
We’ve gone from an old worn out team to one of the youngest and talented in the league. No we just need to execute…….period
May 4th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Your answer to everything is get rid of Al davis, because you can’t relate to him. I’m sorry but I do and if that makes you think I’m stuck in the past so be it.
But I’d hat to see this organization without him in the near future.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Marley Esq.,
good evening and a very nice post dissecting Grove v. Satele (as opposed to gROvE v. Wade).
May 4th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Priest – You’ve said you know Al Davis right? Doesn’t that make you biased? Don’t you think you may show alot more favoritism based on your fondness for someone you know?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Priest – Its not that I want to get rid of Al Davis. I want him to win and hes not winning nor has he impressed me in my years of watching. When I was 7 years old, I didn’t become a fan of Al Davis, I became a fan of the colors and they weren’t the 49ers. The Raiders were a local team that I could relate to. As I got older and understood who the players were and how the game worked, alot more things became clear, so on and so forth. What I have seen of the Raiders is completely different than what you’ve seen. I hope you can understand that.
I just see Al Davis based on his results without Superbowls, his battles with the NFL, the lack of consistency in coaches, the lack of a long term winning franchise, the bad player signings. I see an old man who’s tired and stubborn and who needs to rest because his decision making is lacking. I don’t care what his name is or who it is…I want my team to win because thats all that matters.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Marley good article on Satele. Back in the 07 draft, I remember one concern that was out there about Satele is that he was too much of a ‘island’ boy and that he may not have the heart for the game and be away from his friends and family in Hawaii.
Satele is abetter player than Grove, but Satele is still a risk because he is one of those players that will not be around for the off season workouts. He will be in Hawaii every chance he gets.
Miami is banking on that Grove will be there and that he will stay healthy, and in the long run he will be a better player through constant improvement than Satele who is limited in desire and actual love for the game and not putting in the work.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
May 4th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
:^ umm?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
I know a lot of people but that doesn’t make me bias in favor of them. I’m bias toward him due to his track record.
BTW I don’t know him personally just as an acquaintance. It’s not like I’ve spent time with him I know him interms of observing what he does up close and through others over several years.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
were gonna win like 10 games dudes , gonna kikk much ass :@
May 4th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
I’m going to use this as an example and I’m not a 49er fan but I’m intrigued by what they’re doing. DeBartolo and Policy were able to win as Owner and G.M. whether anybody likes them or not has not relevance. When the sh!t hit the fan and DeBartolo’s sister took over and Dr. York started making decisions, the 49ers went down the drain. In that case, going from one ownership to the next wasn’t a good thing but here comes Eddie’s nephew Jed York. The guy is young, has alot to learn and is promising. Thats a situation where you can say, “Hey…hes going to need some time to become good but hes promising.”
You can’t say that about the Raiders. We have an owner who’s lost his touch whether you like it or not. My question is…wheres the Prince to the Throne? Who’s going to bring energy and life back to the Raiders when Al Davis is gone? To me…there are some dark days ahead of us.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Every young kid comes into every situation thinking they know it all, they know how to fix it all, they have the answers. They think that all the ‘old folks’ have lost it and should be doing things the ‘new’ way. The old folks usually put them in positions of limited responsibility and the young kids say ‘but if only I was in charge things would be better’. After a while in those positions of limited responsibility they start to see that their ‘trash it all’ way isn’t working out so well. They bring a few new ideas, but not as much was really wrong as they thought. They start to learn that they didn’t know as much as they thought they did.
Fast forward 30 years and the young kid is now the old guy and there is some new kid coming in and saying the exact same things. So the old guy just puts the new kid in a positions of limited responsibility and the sequence happens again.
Until you know that you “don’t know nothin’”, you don’t know nothin’. Once you do, your mind opens up and you then start learning. You see the reason behind things and not just the things.
To me, Al is constantly trying new things and having success and failure like the rest of us. All his decisions make sense give the situation at that time. His constants appear to be that you have to explain your reasoning for a thing rather than just ‘believe’ it and that he doesn’t give a crap what anybody thinks. He certainly appears to hire people, listen to their opinions and then make a decision. Just like every good boss I’ve ever had and what I strive to do.
By the way: You are right and the other people are wrong. Oh, I wasn’t talking to you.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Satele is a better player than Grove and he will improve the O line, but he is not going to get much better. Miami over extended themselves on Grove. i see what they were trying to do, I just think they were off the mark on this one.
They should have just drafted a center this year and kept trying to build from within.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
24, you’re no different than a lot of young Raider fans that I talk to everyday. They just have formed their opinion of him through the media and take it as gospel.
Same old story. Don’t blame you. If you don’t know you don’t know.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
I think everyone better temper their expectations. If the Raiders can get the defense motivated, the offense is set on track and the stupid penalties eliminated, then this team should be in more game then not.
But the big issue with this team is that they still have to demonstrate the ability to close out games. Eliminate the stupid penalty in the red zone, make the big tackle on 3rd down, make the key 3rd down pass…and most importantly, HAVE THE RIGHT PERSONNEL IN THE STARTING LINEUP….
May 4th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Whats Al’s win/loss record the last 10 years?
If he was just the GM he would have been fired 5 times already.
Al is a POS and the day he dies is the day the Raiders will rise.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
24,
knowing that something must change does lead you to the common denominator. AD. Sensible. As far as it goes. Is he the sole progenitor of a recent losing record or are the players and coaches somehow accountable? Is it all the entire fault of one man?
Al can’t cheat the system a la DeBartolo or Belichump. The powers that be are locked down against him. (Unless they need him as in the 2006 PA negotations). There are very few in the Old Guard left. I have no idea why Parcells is so lauded and Davis vilified. Bill has had no more success than Tom Flores, and Tom is a complete afterthought as coaches/GMs go. Why?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
I’ve been a Raider Fans as long as anybody in here.
But here’s perspective for you:
The Raiders are sub .500 over the last 20 years.
So how do you reconcile that FACT?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
priesttj Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Your answer to everything is get rid of Al davis, because you can’t relate to him. I’m sorry but I do and if that makes you think I’m stuck in the past so be it.
But I’d hat to see this organization without him in the near future.
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i can only speak for myself but i would love to see it not in the near future but right now!!!!! that old man with his sagging jaw is really testing my patience my loyalty as a raider fan is 100% and i would never think of rooting for any other team (i would just quit watching football) but that old man sure is chipping away at my titanium loyalty.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
24,
i think the Yorks and the 49ers are grasping at straws. Mcloughan off season plan just smacks with desperation. The whole flirting with Kurt Warner. Keeping Alex Smith around. Saying that Shaun Hill is sort of their guy. Firing Mike Martz when he picked that offense up out of the same abyss that the raiders offense had been in.
That is why Scott Linehan, Dan Reeves, and Baltimore QB coach all turned down that team. They sense that Niner have sort of facade they are putting off but in the end they are loosing franchise, and their management team will be gutted out if they do not make the playoffs this season.
Mcloughan nicely positioned himself to stay, by blaming Nolan for the failures of the last 4 years. The 49ers will not win this season. They are just not that good. Seattle and Arizona are better. The 49ers will turn in another mediocre team because that is what they are.
They are like the buffalo bills. just limited because they do not have the talent and people in place to win.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
BadMoodGuy,
nice post 231.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
POST # 236 LMAO IM TEARING UP!!!!! THATS FUNNY SHYT
WERE NOT IN CUBA OR IRAN WE CAN SPEAK BAD PUBLICALLY ABOUT OUR DICTATOR. CANT WE ????
May 4th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Excellent post #231 BadMoodGuy, I used to be 24 and sometimes I want to cry over the mistakes that I made when my father was telling me the entire time how to do it the easy way.
I made a lot of money but I threw most of it away.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
KoolKell,
and?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
BadMoodGuy – What new things is Al Davis trying?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
kool kell . have faith . be4 i reconcile my foot in yur anus
May 4th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
If we “Realists” are buying into the anit- Al rhetoric then you ostriches are sure as hell buying into all the useless rhetoric coming from Al Davis and his zombie followers like John Hererra. ” Commitment to Excellence”, “Speed Kills”, ” Team of the Decades”, blah, blah, blah
May 4th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Priest – What did I say to you that had anything to do regarding the media?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
M Lonetree Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
KoolKell,
and?
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Al Davis GMing has produced a losing record over the last friggin 20 years, that’s what!
May 4th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Priest,
Would love to hear you rationalize the sub 500 record in the last 2 decades?? I know you wont, but it would be comical if you did.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
BADMOODGUY. AL HASNT TRIED ANYTHING NEW AND I DONT KNOW WHERE YOU GET OFF SAYING HE LISTENS TO ANYBODYS OPINION. IF HE DID THAT WE WOULD PROBABLY HAVE TAKEN MONROE WITH THE SEVENTH PICK NOT JAMES JETT OH I MEAN DHB AL DAVIS IS ALL WASHED UP.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Al Davis, at this moment, is far and away the worst owner in pro sports. He does not care about winning, he only cares about proving his ways still work. Period. End of story.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
M Lonetree – How can I blame the coaches for all this losing when they can hardly keep their job for long enough without Al quickly cutting the cord? If we had one single head coach for the last 5 years, I could somehow pin the losing on him but we’ve had too many in that span so I can’t blame the coaching, I can only blame the man making the coaching hires and fires and wonder what hes thinking. Those decisions have more to do with our losing record than the actual coaches because they haven’t been here long enough or been given enough chance to make a difference.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
The Raiders have had 10 Head Coaches in the last 20 yrs.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
KoolKell,
I hope you yourself have posted a winning record over the past two decades and for the length of your life and career. I really do hope so. I am not being sarcastic. I do hope all has been and is going well.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Not to mention the fact that no decent coach will even entertain the idea of working for Al Davis.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
24
Everything you say has a lot to do with what you’ve been told by the media. You repeat whaty you read all the time, you don’t realize that?
Our losing over the last 6 years has been hard on everyone. I handle it differently than you do. And it’s not wait and see. I react to what happens and not what I read. Unless it’s facts and someone I can rely to be credible.
If I didn’t think we were ready to win I wouldn’t say it but I feel very strongly that we are. So we’ll see.
Anyway Adios!
May 4th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Dickv – And when you tell me that 49er information and how many struggles they are having and you compare that to the great and powerful Al Davis. How could Al Davis actually be doing worse?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
#254 by Lonetree= most moronic post of all-time.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
SHOCKER!!!!!!!!!! Priest is running like a beatch.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Priest
Before you run off and take your slogans and platitudes with you.
How do you rationalize Al Davis Gming of the last 2o years?
Sub .500 record and 10 Head Coaches?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Kool,
Dont even bother. When pressed the dude wont answer, I already tried the other day. He will just try an tell you how he knows Al and knew Bill Walsh and a bunch more BS.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
As if the Raiders were great up until 6 yrs ago. That’s the kind of lie Priest likes to slip by.
May 4th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
M Lonetree – What the hell does KoolKell having a winning record have to do with your favorite football team? Thats my point. What are you reverting to? Who fukin cares what KoolKell has done (No Disrespect) but we’re talking about the Raiders and what they have done. Thats why we’re on a RAIDERS BLOG! We’re not comparing how one has done compared to Al Davis. We’re wondering why Al Davis isn’t producing a winning freakin record and having a .500 winning percentage over a 20 year period with 10 different coaches is the reason why and for some God awful reason…the fans who say they’re the true fans are the ones accepting futility the most. Are you so afraid of change?
May 4th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
dudette, or it,
identifying accurately numbers is not your gig. better just stick with hating.
A blind visit to Chittagong could perhaps enhance any future incarnation for you. Check into it.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Priest – You always leave when things get hairy. Your biggest problem is believing that the media controls everyone’s mind who doesn’t believe in Al Davis. Give me a fukin break. How about having 6 losing seasons? Ever thought that might make me think different of Al Davis? I’m not a puppet. I agree with some media outlets and I disagree with some media outlets. I’ll tell you one thing regarding the media…their perception of Al Davis is sad and you know what? Its a perception that Al Davis has created.
You ALWAYS want facts but when they’re shown to you, you leave the room. Last Superbowl win? 1983. How many Head Coaches in 20 years? 10. Thats 2 coaches per year by the way. Winning percentage over last 20 years? .500. Thats 8-8 on average. Thats not a winner. Playoffs? PLAYOFFS? When? Would you like to disregard anymore facts?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
24,
…cast the first stone…
May 4th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Lontree,
Your out cho damn mind. Your posts are just random words thrown together. Check into it.
Kool,
The last 6 years?? What happened the last 6 years?? LOL!!!!!!!!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Same old crap, same old faces.
His record is what it is, no excuses no casting blame it’s his fault.
Now what?…..
I don’t except futility, the last 6 years is reality. Now let’s attack the next 6 years, with this young talent and see where it takes us.
I’m not into whinning and crying….sorry.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
They are actually sub .500 for the last 20 years.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
The reason we hang onto Gruden so much was because that was the one coach out of the 20 years that Al Davis was successful with and he fuked it up. He FUKED IT UP!!! He was the one thing we could hang our hats to and say…this is a good coach and we have a dominant team that can win the Superbowl. Al Davis should have paid him. Cheap basterd!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Actually, Al Davis has not stuck to the principles that made him successfull. I never liked the Jon Gruden pick. Why? Because Jon Gruden was a WCO guy. Al Davis has always espoused the vertical attack. Then he went back to a more vertical attack with Turner and Shell…then went back to the WCO with Kiffin…..not to mention a dose of power blocking with a switch to the ZBS….
Al Davis’ defenses have always been stout against the run. They’ve always had great play in the front 7. Only recently have we been subjected to watching the Raiders get pushed around like they have.
I actually would like for the Raiders to get back to playing Raider football.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Priest,
Why then do you act as if questioning Al Davis is some sort of crime against humanity?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
How did Grudens offense work??
May 4th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Priest – I’m not asking you to whine and cry. I asking you accept reality. Thats all. Just stop denying that Al Davis has failed compared to his early years. Maybe theres nobody better than him but hes not as good as he used to be.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
What are you fools trying to get me to say? You want me to agree with you, I don’t so look elsewhere.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
24, I actually wasn’t aware that we had 6 bad seasons. My reasons for hating Al Davis are entirely based on media brainwashing. The persistent losing, grudges with coaches and horrible draft picks have nothing to do with it.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
“I’m not into whinning and crying….sorry.”
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You whine like hell if Jerry writes something critical. You whine like hell when somebody brings up the actual record.
You whine like hell, if anyone dares to believe their lying eyes, instead of your perspective.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
LOL. preist called us “fools”. I’m not a fool. You’re a fool. Fool.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Accept it? It’s reality wether I accept it or not. But my solution doesn’t agree with yours………..period
May 4th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
M Lonetree – Cast the first stone?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
preist, are the Raiders a legitimate Super Bowl contenders this year?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
You whine like hell if the media doesnt kiss Als arse.
Whine like hell if the media has the audacity to say a disparaging word about anything Raider.
Yeah, you dont whine. Please!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Priest – What is your solution? Cable? If that doesn’t work like the past 9 coaches…then what? You liked Kiffin and you know it. You also didn’t mind Shell but I know you disagreed with Tom Walsh. You probably didn’t mind Norv Turner either.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Preist, were a lot of NFL teams looking at Tom Cable?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Priest,
Would you kick Al’s senile old ass to the curb if it meant 10 straight winning seasons?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
preist, where do you think Darius Gump would have landed in the draft if we hadn’t have taken him?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
MR – Haha. Yeah…I can’t wait until Jerry McDonald gives me another Brainwashing blog message.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Jerry writes blogs everyday KK. I don’t care for a few of them and expect too much from the guys because obviously he can’t deliver.
KK you’re in here everyday with same insanity.
I know what the record is and so does everyone else. But we have different solutions…..period
May 4th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Teams were straight beating Tom Cables door down!! He was on every teams short list. Cause he lit the world on fire at Idaho.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
SnB – Screw Raider football. Lets try winning football. I don’t care what its called as long as it has winning next to it. It can be Vertical, WCO, whatever. Just win.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Priest,
Al to curb for 10 straight winning years???
May 4th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Dude, that’s the question I always ask. And, the answer, honestly, is no. They don’t want to win without Al Davis. They’d rather lose with Al than win with a Gruden or Kiffin. Listen to these guys talk about the Gruden years as if they were so horrible. Talking about the west coast offense (we were actually a running team under Gruden) being our set back…LOL. Yeh, all that winning was awful…
May 4th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Well…I’d LOVE to continue this but I have to get ready to go out to dinner for a friends birthday deal so Raider talk aside…we’re human so take it easy. Peace.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
No one will EVER answer that question. Alot of the clowns on here arent Raider fans at all. They are in reality, Al Davis fans. Al Davis is NOT the Raiders.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Dude, get outta here with the hypotheticals man. That could go on all night.
IMO Al Davis isn’t the problem…………period
But y’all can’t accept that, sorry.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Priesttj
Everytime somebody disagrees with you, You get condecending and insulting. When they produce facts, you run.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Gruden’s going to SD next year. Oh, I’m sure he won’t win a SB there. I’m sure he will clash with AJ Smith. But we know what will also happen: Clean sweep against the Raiders, year after year.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
24,
Steak, caeser, garlic mashed, Coors light, Crown on the rocks for dessert. Perfect dinner my friend.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
Good answer!! Clap, clap, clap, clap.
Knew you wouldnt answer you coward. Pray tell. What or who is the problem then?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
priest, hypotheticals is almost all that’s discussed here. It’s a blog, genius. How much news is there to discuss today? They’re simple questions. Do you think the Raiders are a super bowl contender? Where do you think Heyward-Gump would have landed in the draft if Al hadn’t have blown his wad on him?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
How in the HELL can Al Davis NOT be the problem?
Is he the friggin Boss or what?????
May 4th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
This year, Al Davis drafted only ‘high character’ guys, not quite his m.o. The FA were mostly of this exact mold. He got rid of players that weren’t. To me, this is at the direction of Cable. I believe Cable defined that work ethic was a problem, showed this to Davis and showed who he could get that has the ethic Cable desires.
Previously examples, he went to the possession passing type offense, went to the 3-4 defense, went with big name young FA, went to zone blocking. Before that, you probably were watching Teletubies or Barney.
The thing that cracks me up is saying that bringing back Shell was a huge mistake. If you remember at the time, there wasn’t anybody that was worth squat that would take the job at such a late date. It was getting late in the year and, to me, it looked like Shell was taking a bullet for the Raiders. Shell wasn’t able to run that current team/coaches, but he sure didn’t look like he was running around trying to get a coaching job in the first place, telling everybody about how good a head coach he’d make.
The largest mistake Davis made recently was trading Gruden. It was only a mistake because Tampa ended up in the SB, and it was a stink load, but looking back, he should have let Gruden leave the following year and not got the bucks and draft choices.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
KK you think we can’t win with Al Davis right?
Well I do, that’s my opinion. And we will win with him.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
Bad Mood,
Sounds almost ver batum what Tom Cable said in his post draft comments. Buying the hype much??
May 4th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
I nominate Jerry Mac as the Raiders GM,…nobody else the insights and football smarts to be able to handle that kind of job,..Jerry is simply amazing,…life without Jerrys blog wouldnt be worth living,..I also am hearing Disneyland has made him management offers,…you the man Jerry!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
TJ in Mountain View,…Gary said to tell you hello and please call him,…I got on the air again today and mentioned your name,..Gary wants you to know it wasnt him, you are always welcome,…hey hows Mike T doing bro?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Like I said earlier …
Can’t wait until the season starts so you Al Davis haters can explain to us how we ended up winning the division.
Super Bowl contenders? With a 2nd year QB and 2nd year RBs? Not likely, but I understand the bar is ridiculously high for the Raiders, or shall we say a team run by Al Davis.
By the way, I’m still waiting on the specific things you haters would have done since the Tampa debacle. Since you expect Al to be perfect, what would you have done?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Priesttj Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
KK you think we can’t win with Al Davis right?
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Don’t put words in my mouth.
I’m saying over the last 20 years we have been a sub .500 team, with 10 Head Coaches. Those are the Facts.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
24 Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
SnB – Screw Raider football. Lets try winning football. I don’t care what its called as long as it has winning next to it. It can be Vertical, WCO, whatever. Just win.
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My point is that successfull teams stick with their program through thick and thin. The Steelers have a system. The Patriots have a system. The Ravens, Titans, Bears adn Giants have a system. They have an indentity and way of playing football and then they get players to fit the system.
That’s why I didn’t have a problem with “The D-HB” pick. He fits what they are trying to do on offense. Similiar to the Randy Moss acquisition and drafting JaMarcus Russell.
Look at the defense. Al brings in a 3-4 coordinator and instructs him to coach a 4-3 team. How many times were players like Tyler Brayton moved around.
Al Davis has left his script the last 10 years and the results have put this team where it is now.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
I say the Raider’s cant win with Al Davis. Untill he dies they wont win again. He is too old and it has affected his ability to run the franchise.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
lol
May 4th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
What great moves has Al made recently to improve this team?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
What great moves?..you tell us MR.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
One call difference and look at how the Raiders would have been talked about instead of the Pats. We were on top on the AFC during the Gruden time here, yes. And then what happened???
WE GOT OLD!
Rice, Brown, Gannon, Kennedy, Eric Allen, Woodson, Biekert, Garner, Wheatley, Wiz, etc.
Al tried to replace Gannon with a SB QB in Collins. Tried to replace Brown with the best WR in the game in Moss. Brought in the top OC in the league to be head coach in Norv Turner.
Yeah, he made some mistakes, but what do you want your owner to do?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Kind of funny how were both on the blog at the same time isnt it, Norco? I know you aint got sheet to say, which is why you go there. Shut your hole. Nice predictions on the draft by the way. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
MR,..old friend,..after all these years in here of your anger,..bitterness,..etc.,..you still just dont get it,..and you never will. Sad.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Some of these so-called Raider Fans, care only about Al Davis’ reputation, and whine about the media incessantly. Their only concern is how such and such reflects on Davis.
Don’t tell me Davis doesn’t care about what’s written about him.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
bad mood guy wrote: “If you remember at the time, there wasn’t anybody that was worth squat that would take the job at such a late date.”
Here we go. another shill who thinks everyone’s stupid.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Actually MR, I forgot who I predicted,..who was it anyway?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
MMMMM….. Maybe build through the draft as opposed to signing every high dollar FA out there. Maybe NOT blowing money on bums. Maybe take a step back and get a coach that will actually want to stay… shall I go on?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
In my mock on http://www.raiderfans.net I predicted about half the 1st round right…about as close as Mel Kiper Jr and McShay. Im happy with that. No I didnt have Bey goin to Oakland, Im not as smart as Al Davis obviously.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
MR Al Davis is having a great off season, even Jerry said so,..Jerrys opinion is good enough for me.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Your mock??? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 4th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
I told you to shut you mouth.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
Just took a pill….I’m in Hawaii….I’m at La Bou on my lap top…..look at this chick…..anyone seen brien???…..about to go to raleys and get some whine….going to an a’s game later……i’m 40, live alone, and post under both “norco bob” and “Brien”, pretending to be two different people who hang out with each other…..sad…..about to take another pill…..my cross to bear…
May 4th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Dang,..looks like I have a secret admirer,..thats kind of nice.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
jerry says al has good off season….about to buy two more season tickets…never been to a game….but i keep telling people i go to games and smoke ganj….i keep saying i do drugs and drink a lot…..makes people think i’m cool…..going to the river with my dog….see you dorks later……
May 4th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Build through the draft? You mean like JRuss, DMac, Bush, Henderson, Gallery, Howard, Nnamdi, Scott?
Not blowing $ on bums? Other than Walker last year, I don’t recall too many critics of who Al spent $ on. In fact everyone was saying that Al FINALLY spent $ last offseason, so what’s that you say?
Get a coach who actaully wants to stay? Did I miss someone quitting? Norv didn’t want to stay? Gruden wasn’t trying to get an extension? Art Shell quit?
Oh Lance? You mean when Al forced Robo on him? OR are you talking about Cable?
Yeah, I think you need to go on …
May 4th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
However your obsession with me and brien, as one,..hmmm,…we couldnt look more opposite. You need to move on from that one, youre looking silly.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Norco,
what part of shut your hole dont you get??
May 4th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
I dont have 2 season tix ol buddy,..I have 4.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
But your not with the Dude/MR stuff………..
May 4th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
dang….have a secret admirer….everyone looks up to me….it’s easy….just go to a blog…..keep talking about drinking and smoking ganj…..somebody will think you’re cool….if not…..keep doing it anyway…..that’s what I’ve been doing here for 2 years……about to take a pill….I hate my father….he didn’t love me….that’s why I hate myself, and the world….about to take a pill….going to the river with my dog….and a quart of budwesier….my cross to bear.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
MR,..just as everyone in your real life does, I in here dont answer to you,..sorry little fellow.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
By the way I syopped drinking Ironstone 6 months ago,…try to update your facts a little. lol
May 4th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Norco Blob,
Serious ?. Lets here 5 things your God Al Davis has done in the last 2 years to better this club.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Substitue Southern Comfort for the wine and youre back in step. lol
May 4th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
i don’t have 2 season tix old buddy…I have 4…make it 6….i go to all games….me and brien, and 4 of my other alter egos…i will be at every game, as you all know…smoking ganj and drinking….starting at 5 am, and will continue to drink, smoke ganj, and pop pills until 4 am the next morning….i do that everyday……seriously……I am cool
May 4th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
5 things?…oh man,..let me put my thinking cap on…lol
May 4th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Didn’t Al Davis give 8 million of guaranteed money to DeAngelo Hall, a Cover 2 Corner, to play Man 2 Man, he had to get rid of after 8 games, Jhill?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Lol,..poor ol MR ,..cant find anyone to quarrel with,..makes him upset…lol.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Substitute southern comfort and you’re back in step…that’s what my dad drank before he yelled at my mom…when i used to hide under my bed…..i haven’t really gotten over it…as all of you can see….going to the river with my dog….southern comfort….it’s actually apple juice….but nobody knows….I look cool
May 4th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
It is great to see a sports writer do some research prior to writing something about a player.
At the Sportingnews.com they did a right up on Michael Mitchell that went something like this,
As the Raiders were going to make their second round pick we started laughing and joked who had the best showing at the NFL Combine.
They wrote that Michael Mitchell was at the NFL Combine and ran close to a 4.8 forty yard dash. They then go on to list him at 5′11″ 210 lbs and have him ranked as the 47th best player in the draft at his position.
First Mitchell was never at the NFL Combine and he ran a 4.43 forty at his Pro Day at School. He is also 6′ 1″ and 220 lbs. Last there was not 47 players in this years draft at the safety position.
My take is that they never heard of Michael Mitchell prior to the Raiders picking him in round two of the draft and made the rest up as they went.
Just wanted to share this with any Raiders Fans that may read Sportingnews or fly’s off the handle anytime one of the clowns that write about a player makes an opinion against same, most know about as much of what they write as I do flying the Space Shuttle.
When are you going to do a write up on Michael Mitchell Jerry?, cannot wait to read and thanks for the info.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
JHill,
I was happy the Raiders were winning, but I still say that hiring Gruden was a mistake. Signing up Gruden manufactured a couple of years of success, but the cost was high. It took Davis 6 years to get the team back to the type of offense he likes to play.
The defense never recovered.
The Raiders run a vertical offense. They like speed outside (Cliff Branch, Willie Gault/Mervyn Fernandez, Tim Brown, Randy Moss and now “The D-HB” and Chaz Schilens…maybe Louis Murphy)….big-armed QBs like Plunkett, Schroeder (sigh), George, Collins and now Russell, speed and power at running back and a mean offensive line…
Somewhere along the way, Davis got distracted. The Raiders fall actually started after Art Shell I was fired. The “brief”4 year period between Shell and Gruden is where the Raiders lost their way a little bit.
Now they are getting close to getting it back. Just need some help on that freekn’ D-Line
May 4th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Mt prediction for the Raiders this year is 7-9,..and thats ok with me.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Look at the defense. Al brings in a 3-4 coordinator and instructs him to coach a 4-3 team. How many times were players like Tyler Brayton moved around.
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actually rob ryan ran a 3-4 when he first came and it didnt work i dont think he can run any kind of defense
May 4th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
MR,..2 dogs.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Jon Sanchez sucks,…the only weak link in the Giants rotation.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
oh….forgot to mention….i am from the bay, smoke purple, and bump much bay area slaps….i’m not a fan….i’m not in the Raider Nation….don’t claim Raider Nation….wattup, Norco Bob…..i sent you a text….
May 4th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Speaking of tix,..I have a pair of A`s tix for tonight that Im eating,..not wasting my time with the A`s any more this year,…also cant wait til they leave Oakland.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
MR,..sorry,..actually dont understand that last post.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Brien…wattup, homie….dave called….we’re all going to amsterdam tomorrow morning, then Australia by afternoon, then Hawaii in the evening….should be back in time for A’s game tomorrow….you want to come with????
May 4th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
SnB,
Why do you think the Raiders must operate in the” Raider Way”? Do things not have to evolve at some point? How many more years of ” Raider Way” losing will it take for you to change your tune?
May 4th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Lol,..ol MR,…little too much time on your computer?…lol.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
can’t do it, norco…..got school…then it’s purple time….I am not a fan….nor am I a member of the Raider Nation…. Brien –> about to go study…then smoke purple.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Gotta run,…I would say see ya all at the games,..but,..well,..lol.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
KK,
Yes Sir, he did. How much did the Redskins give him this offseason? And they are NOT a cover two team.
Bad result for us? Yes. But at the time of the pickup? Who would have ever thought that he would be brought here to play 10 yards off the ball. Another bizarre chapter in the Rob Ryan saga. He played man to man in Atlanta, but he played that same soft coverage that Fabian played when he got to Robo as a DC.
Happy to have CJ so no love lost with D. Hall moving on. Oh, and that lack of pass rush didn’t help either. I’d love to see Hall and Nnamdi under Marshall. I bet you won’t see that 10 yard cushion under his watch.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
That’s too bad brien….dave’s on his way…..in his RV…we’re taking his RV all over the world….we will drink and pop norcos all day….we’re so cool….and, dave really does exist….he’s my friend…and he is picking me up….should be in amsterdam by tonight….
May 4th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
JHill,
Tell me about John Marshall.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Brien…wanted to let you know….Dave’s invited us all to go to the moon in his RV….should be taking off from Amsterdam….just have to get clearance from NASA…text me….at La Bou right now…no, wait, I’m in Hawaii right now…you guys, do yourselves a favor….power down your lap tops….get out….talk to a girl….like me….I talk to girls all the time…..In hawaii right now…amsterdam tomorrow by this time….dave’s on his way in the RV
May 4th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Jhill
You are wrong. Hall played Zone in Atlanta, and now in DC.
May 4th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
i read or heard somewhere that the seahawks lost some defensive players and had a bad d for a year then the next year he put some smaller players in and used his coaching and the seahawks turned it around the next year
May 4th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
16,
Ummm.. what?
May 4th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
DirtyRacoon…this what I have been saying all along. The Raiders do not need linemen that get handled by the bigger NTs as those are always the ones you see in the playoffs and against teams like the Bolts. Why build an “O” line that has less than playoff calibre talent. Its my concerted opinion that Barnes and Henderson will not be playoff calibre talent and the reason I was hoping Al would have picked Monroe at #7 and Brace in the 2nd. I am tired of watching our lines get pushed aroundespecially when it counts more near the goaline.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
How can you question the Raider Way? The Raider way is whatever it takes to win.
Still waiting on what should have been done differently?
Or what “way” should we be following?
May 4th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Marshall began his tenure with the Seahawks as linebackers coach from 2003-05 before moving to defensive coordinator. He helped tutor a defense that ranked second in the NFL in sacks from 2005-07 with 136. In 2007, Marshall’s defense led the NFL in touchdown passes allowed (15) and ranked fourth in the NFL with 20 interceptions. His defensive unit boasted four Pro Bowlers and two AP First Team All-Pros. Two players earned Pro Bowl selections under Marshall’s tutelage in 2006, and one player earned a Pro Bowl spot in 2005.
Marshall was elevated to the defensive coordinator position prior to the 2005 season. His defense led the NFL with 50 sacks, allowed only one 100-yard rusher, finished second in the NFL in red zone defense (40.4%) and rushing touchdowns allowed (5) en route to a berth in Super Bowl XL.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
JHill,
deAngelo Hall is unfortunately a good example of not having players fit the scheme.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
SnB rob ryan ran a 3-4 when he first came and it didnt work i dont think he can run any kind of defense
May 4th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
I gave you things to do differntly a while ago.
Please, tell me more about John Marshall.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
dude look at #365
May 4th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
KK,
I’ll be the first to admit that I didn’t watch ALL of Atlanta’s games. But we all remember the epic one on one battles with Steve Smith. Heck his most famous game of late in Atl was the shouting match with Petrino. That was b/c he got personal foul penalties against Smith for telling how bad he was shutting him down.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Build through the draft? You mean like JRuss, DMac, Bush, Henderson, Gallery, Howard, Nnamdi, Scott?
Not blowing $ on bums? Other than Walker last year, I don’t recall too many critics of who Al spent $ on. In fact everyone was saying that Al FINALLY spent $ last offseason, so what’s that you say?
Get a coach who actaully wants to stay? Did I miss someone quitting? Norv didn’t want to stay? Gruden wasn’t trying to get an extension? Art Shell quit?
Oh Lance? You mean when Al forced Robo on him? OR are you talking about Cable?
Yeah, I think you need to go on …
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Like I said Dude, you need to go on!
May 4th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Dude,
Sure, the Raiders should adjust its system as they go along. But to switch it up so often suggests that they themselves don’t really understand what they’ve wanted to do these last 10 or so years.
A vertical offense can work. Modifying it so that you don’t have that 7-step drop and having a final 4th checkdown option….a RB in the flats is smart football.
Vasilating between WCO and Vertical twice in a 10 year period gets you a roster and draft picks that quickly fall out of favor.
The “vertical offense” can work well if you have the QB and WR and RBs to get it done. That’s why JaMarcus Russell was drafted over Brady Quinn…why “The D-HB” was drafted over Crabtree why Tui was a failure as a Raider QB. Why Kiffin didn’t want Russell and hated Walter.
That’s on Davis. He has to know what he wants to do and stick to it
May 4th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
16,
I know the wikipedia facts on Marshall. Looking for a bit of knowledge you wont find on wikipedia.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
I’ll tell you about John Marshall …
He’s not Rob Ryan!
May 4th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Jhill
1.He handled the Art Shell hiring terribly, waiting untill all other coaching jobs were taken, before having to hire Art Shell & Tom Walsh
2. He should not have hired Lane Kiffin
3. He should not have waited until the 4 game of the season to fire him.
4. He should have known DeAngelo Hall’s strengths & weaknesses.
5. He should have found some way to use Randy Moss.
6. He should not have signed Tommy Kelly to the highest DT contract in the league, without some “measurables”.
I can go on, but I’m going to go have dinner now.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Interesting bit from NFL.COM’s Thomas George last week:
“What was the biggest surprise to you in the draft?.
Thomas George: Among them is that Maclin was available for the Eagles to move up and grab at No. 19.
I have talked to a few teams who were not at all surprised that Darrius Heyward-Bey was the first receiver taken, despite all of the flack the Raiders have received.
Several have told me that he is, indeed, a rare home-run threat that will scare the life out of defenses deep.
That said, Maclin was supposed to be, at least, among the top 15 picks. So, what grab for the Eagles. I have also been told by high-ranking Giants sources that reports they were trying to move up to get Maclin are totally untrue.
The only receiver the Giants would have moved up to get is Heyward-Bey and that would have happened had he fell to No. 16.”
- Thomas George, a distinguished journalist with nearly 26 years experience, Thomas George has been a writer and columnist for the New York Times, Denver Post, Detroit Free Press and managing editor of the NFL Network.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Totally agree with #1 KK. That really killed any chance Shell had to get decent assistants.
I think that is the single biggest mistake Al has made over the past 10 years.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
i didnt find that on wikipedia and what else do you need to know they only allowed 1 100 yard rusher all year
May 4th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Tommy Kelly, Deangelo Hall, Turd Sands, Walker, Gibril Wilson are just a few in the last 2 years.
NONE of those draft picks other than ASO have done squat.
A coach that wants to stay because its a good organization. Al Davis cant get a good coach. Thats why he gets guys like Shell, Kiffin and Cable.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
snb said it right about teams having their own systems. if the raiders would stay true to what made them successful they would be alright. pittsburg is doing the same thing now that they did in the 70″s. bradshaw to swann and stallworth downfield, power running game with harris and a tough physical defense. 30 years later rothleisberger to burress now holmes and washington downfield, power running with bettis now parker and a tough physical defense. the only thing missing with them is a power rb until mendenhall proves himself. ive listened to this bullsheit system crap over and over here now and its got to stop. u can win any way you choose if u have the the right players and coaches to teach those players. people think the wc system is the only one that works, please. the last few teams to win the sb dont run it. the greatest show on turf in st.louis didnt run it. im a younger generation fan but i respect the older fans perspective. like my mom told me along time ago theres nothing i can tell her that she hasnt already seen before. 24, RAIDER football is winning football. its the basis that al davis brought here that turned them from a 1 win team to the great teams we all love watching on nfl films. its time to get back to that. stop firing coaches and get our kind of players here and we will turn this thing around. were on the right track.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
So you dont know dick about Marshall. OK. Got it.
16,
Wikipedia, Raiders.com. Same diff.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
16yearsold16yearfan Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
SnB rob ryan ran a 3-4 when he first came and it didnt work i dont think he can run any kind of defense
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Then Al should have fired Rob Ryan when he didn’t like his system.
Cleveland is implementing the 3-4 with Ryan as the DC so we know that in Oakland the 4-3 is the mainstay.
Once again, another example of the Raiders not really having a grasp as to what they want to do.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
[...] Five who need to step it up By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer Monday, May 4th, 2009 at 12:33 pm in Oakland Raiders . [...]
May 4th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
next years draft class will have better dlineman. there will be no excuse to not draft some next year. we may improve this year but i want to get some newer faces in here. sometimes the players just stink. we talk about defense being about attitude but some guys just dont have it. to change the mentality we have to change the players. not all but a few.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Armond,
Excellent post. You clarified what I was trying to say.
You will never see the New York Giants running a west coast offense.
As for the Rams….they were a blip on the radar because they quickly abandoned their offense…and players…after Mike Martz was fired.
Stick to your system and perfect it. Develop coaches that understand the system or hire ones that embrace the system.
The root cause of the Raiders 6 years of failure is switching willy nilly between WCO and Vertical…and 3-4 to 4-3.
The direction is on Al Davis. He has to get back to basics
May 4th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
As for Kiffin, I would say that he shouldn’t have made Kiffin and Ryan coach together. That situation was ridiculous.
As for Hall, Al gave Kiffin the player he wanted. All the Atlanta coaches on that staff? No way that wasn’t a Kiffin call. Same with Moss. Kiffin wanted him gone, and Al did what his coach wanted.
And yeah, like Al was going to lose Kelly to the Donks! That situation is what it is, and looking at the $ DTs are getting now, it wasn’t that bad. Let’s see what he does this season now that he’s healthy, and then we’ll make that call.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
FOR DUDE
JRuss-last 4 games qb rtng=90.6 pct=694 yds=173.5, DMac yds/att=4.4, Bush yds/att=4.4, Henderson no sacks last 4 games, Gallery not a tackle but great guard, Howard needs no explanation, Nnamdi needs no explanation, Scott led rookies in sacks,zach miller needs no explanation,and we dont know what our wr can do if they start a full season
May 4th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
i agree al should have fired ryan i was just saying he didnt coach either system good
May 4th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
LOL!! No explanation? OK. That group has a lot of wins under there belt. Love how you rationalize things to fit your argument.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Deangelo Hall= fast, high profile CB.
Ok, you go on believing he wasnt a Davis pick. By the way I got a bridge to sell you…..
May 4th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
So, the Browns, Bears and Cowboys were after Mitchell and it turns out that others thought Heyward-Bey was good enough to be the first WR taken, including the Giants who would have traded up for him. The interesting thing about the Giants is that they didn’t make and effort to trade up for Maclin.
The difference between the network hype and the scout and GM hype is that the scout and GM hype is usually kept as quiet as possible (for obvious reasons), and is most often a lot more accurate.
Thanks for the post, Bob Marley.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
fine nnamdi best corner in the league zach miller 778 yards last year even though he had to block alot, howard 96 tckls 6 int in 07 97 tckls last year and explain this JRuss-last 4 games qb rtng=90.6 pct=694 yds=173.5, DMac yds/att=4.4, Bush yds/att=4.4, Henderson no sacks last 4 games, Gallery not a tackle but great guard, Howard needs no explanation, Nnamdi needs no explanation, Scott led rookies in sacks,zach miller needs no explanation,and we dont know what our wr can do if they start a full season
May 4th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
snb i believe in teams developing a personality and staying with it. we need to put the OAKLAND back in the raiders. all this cute stuff has been getting on my nerves. kiffin was a jerk and al payed for hiring him. he wanted to run that wc stuff with josh mccown running the show. all that tampa 2 talk made me sick. man 2 man works if have the players for it. no SYSTEM works without its PLAYERS. people come here and think u can wave a magic wand and the system will work automatically. if thats the case robbie ryan would never have had one of the worst run defenses every year.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
those are good draft picks dude what do you have to say
May 4th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
and you can count lechler
May 4th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Cmon Dude …
Terdell got a decent contract after an undeniable solid season. 80% of the people on here are screaming about Wilson being cut. And where were you BEFORE the Hall trade?
None of those players have none squat? OK, if you say so. Like I said, we’ll see this year. And I though we were talking about building through the draft? Can those players develop already?
Al Davis can’t get a good coach? LOL! Yeah! That is true. He can’t get a guy like Cowher b/c he won’t pay a coach 5 million a year. Any of those so called good coaches willing to go anywhere for 1.5 million?
Keep trying …
May 4th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
16,
Seahwks didnt give up a 100 yard rusher last year?
Miller and Aso are good picks. Like I said, how may wins they got?
May 4th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
OakGlenn you need to step up bro, you’re a blogging disaster in every sense of the word.
# Oakglenn Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Nice article Jerry. Jamarcus needs to step up. “Jivin” REALLY needs to step up. Richardson needs to show he belongs. Huff needs to figure it the eff out. Or start selling insurance back in Texas. Burgess is one guy I don’t really worry about. Sands is right: that the mess between Kiffin and Davis ruined last season. Completely, ruined it. As for Mitchell knocking out MAC receivers, this is the NFL, not the Mac. Mitchell is going to be asked to knock out 6′6″, 270 lb TE’s that run 4.65 forties. Do that, and then we’ll talk.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Jhill,
Can he get a good coach?
Your big money argument is a joke.
What HAVE those picks done? Alot of PBers in that group?
May 4th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
most were drafted the last two years wait until this year and marshall was the cooridinator in seattle last the offense was the problem
May 4th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Jerry you need to step us as well. The link is busted on insidebayarea.com what kinda horse & pony show you running here ?
May 4th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
JHill,
Kelly to the Broncos…maybe…Davis should have franchise tagged Kelly that year.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
16,
You said they didnt give u a 100 yard rusher. That true?
May 4th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
the networks r a joke. they are more tabolid than substance. they talked all that ish about mitchell yet they never showed clips of that dude but theyll show some westchestminster idaho falls of montana dufus. the whole intent was to embarrass the raiders. unfortunately alot of dumb raider fans bought into it. nfl network talks about 4 teams. jet pats giants cowboys. they could talk about athe talented players on every team and do proper research on these young kids coming up. no they wanna talk some brett favre sheit.!!!!!!! they need to quit.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
You said only 1. That true?
May 4th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Are you serious Dude?
Are you telling me that if Al would break down and give Cowher his 4-5 million a year, or if Gruden was offered the same, they wouldn’t be back in a heartbeat?
Did you not see Gruden REPEATEDLY saying WE during the draft when referring to Raiders.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
most of these players did this in limited playing time because they were rookies and second year players but look at the developement look at JR last 4 games and henderson last 4 games
nnamdi best corner in the league zach miller 778 yards last year even though he had to block alot, howard 96 tckls 6 int in 07 97 tckls last year and explain this JRuss-last 4 games qb rtng=90.6 pct=694 yds=173.5, DMac yds/att=4.4, Bush yds/att=4.4, Henderson no sacks last 4 games, Gallery not a tackle but great guard, Howard needs no explanation, Nnamdi needs no explanation, Scott led rookies in sacks,zach miller needs no explanation,and we dont know what our wr can do if they start a full season
May 4th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
I dont give 2 sheets about your skewed stat lines.
W I N S is all its about.
DMC couldnt stay healthy, Bush couldnt get off the bench, Howard is a glorified safety, Guards dont go 4 overall, Russell started 16 games why only use 4 for your stats,Henderson was constantly given help and the WRs are pedestrian at best.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Dude ..
You are not talking to your wife, lol! Or asking you mommy for pizza!
May 4th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
I definetly agree with those who say the Raiders have been basically directionless during the last 6 years.
Everybody wrote and said that the Raider way was obsolete. Al bought into it and has flip flopped to much. Never having sync with players or systems.
But the fact remains the Raiders have been sub .500 over the last 20 years. That’s a little more unpleasant to come to grips with.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Dude i used the last four games because it shows development cable wouldnt let bush off the bench he was playing lelie curry and walker at the beginning of the year henderson did better than kwame the raiders won 2 of the last 4 games
May 4th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Dude Says:
May 4th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Guards dont go 4 overall
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Didn’t the Bengals draft a LT by the name of A. Smith with the 6th overall, granted two spots lower than 4th overall, and make claim he would be trying out for the guard position? Not sure if that was true or not, I remember seeing that on Espn recently.
May 4th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
and at least gallery is playing at a high level no matter what his position is and he had to switch coaches and positions every year plus if you were a gm that year and gallery was on the board i bet you would have taken him
May 4th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
dude no answer
May 4th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Gallery was drafted #2 overall.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
thats funny dude has nothing to say
May 4th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Gallery was a victim of the constant coaching changes/philosophy…
He had Jim Colletto, Irv Eatman/Jackie Slater and Shell and then finally Cable….
Eatman, Slater and Shell ruined Gallery….Colletto had Gallery playing Right Tackle….talk about a textbook way to ruin a promising rookie.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
What’s up Dude?
May 4th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
thats what i told dude and he hasnt said anything since
May 4th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Dude!!!!!
May 4th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Krappy, come to grips with this:
1) You’re much too old to be blogging
2) You’ve crapped your pajamas within the last hour
3) All of your posts are dumb, ill informed, and totally meaningless
4) The reason you have no memory is because you keep falling asleep with your old goat head in the microwave
5) Your wife is having sex with a much younger guy – probably someone in his early 60s
6) If you wander off nude again after a shower, your nurse is going to quit
7) You can’t eat Popeyes for more than 5 days a week
You’re much too old to be blogging (had to be repeated – Krappy forgets what he read 30 seconds ago)
9) The off switch on your computer is red button on the back – push it
10) I kind of like you because you’re like my dog from childhood, but nonetheless … you must be put down!
May 4th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
beeecham wahts wrong with you do you have a 3rd grade man crush on koolkell
May 4th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Sick. lol
May 4th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
vujacic just effed up battier
May 4th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
16,
A lot of people here have a man crush on KK, they keep trying to get his attention!!!
I think it’s funny. Sorry KK.
Fargas!!!
May 4th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Careful 16yearoldfemale fan, I’ll tell your guidance counselor about you
May 4th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
We need Tim Brown to step in and help coach our young receivers.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
its funny cuz all he does is talk and then somebody comes up and says something about him
May 4th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
By females, you mean X Men action figures, right?
16yearoldfemalefan, you are completely out of your league right now. Leave the conversation to the men. Just continue studying for your midterms and hope Mommy doesn’t bust in your room to towel off your bottom.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Super-size-safeties:
If size matters then we’ve got some real potential:
Jerome Boyd S 6-2 225
Michael Huff S 6-1 205
Mike Mitchell S 6-1 220
Darrick Brown DB 6-4 200
Hiram Eugene FS 6-2 200
Nice to see some Rod Woodson size players.
If even two of the five pan out we are set.
Huff as a wolverine DB…put him on RBs and TEs…then dump his ass when we can.
Hope he loses money on his house and gets traded to Detroit.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
It would be interesting to hear what James Lofton has to say these days. Sanjay Lai?
May 4th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Very interesting comment, Krappy. But please, time to get into bed and rest that old Krappy head. Obviously you can barely put thoughts together at this point in the evening.
Plus that 16 year old chick is fondling her new Wolverine doll all over this blog – a visual I’m sure your old Krappy brain can’t handle.
So get some rest Krappy!
May 4th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
why are you even thinking about a 16 year old fondling anything
May 4th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
I feel I will need to go to church just to read these blogs anymore, lol.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Appreciate the show of respect, little 16 year old chick. You’re turning into quite the little apprentice.
Hey Krappy I’m sure you’re being washed off in the shower now, but when you get your old man ass back in here, we need to go over the finer points of microwave use. See, the Hungry Man dinner goes in the fancy machine, not your head.
That’s probaby why your toothpaste looks like taco sauce.
May 4th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Bee,
You remind me of A Legged Mini Pin I saw at a park once. All Bark and no Bite. lol
LMAO
I’ll be back later.
Smoke Run!!!
May 4th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
3 Legged Mini Pin!!
It had a little scarf on too!!
LMAO
May 4th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Raider O, no one understands your hillbilly white trash trailor park references.
If you’d prefer to be on the Puddle of Mud blog, I’m sure can find out much quicker when they’ll be at your nearest county fair.
And yes, overalls are probably optional.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
i think he’s middle eastern
May 4th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
for beecham
May 4th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
Thanks my little female apprentice. But next time when I need information, I will ask you directly for it. No don’t forget this important lesson.
May 4th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGkc4lXkVdw
May 4th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Beech
Do you ever have a football take to add to the discussion?
May 4th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
K2,
Beech, Brien, 16 are all part of the new kids on the block….
Don’t bait ‘em.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Alright guys, Gnite.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Krappy, will you put your nurse on the blog, please. Obviously she’s neglicting her duties by allowing you to wander around this late at night.
You need a complete sponge bath, a fresh diaper and big glass of Nyquil.
What a silly old goose!
May 4th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
We have a lot of a little girls here who are in desperate need for a little attention!!!
You are just Sad bee, and I can’t help but feel sorry for you.
Daddy didn’t love you, ha!!
Talk about it, but don’t cry you little B!tch.
May 4th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Terd thinking he can actually talk about someone. Bwahahaha!
May 4th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Poor B!! Attention Whor3!!
LMAO
May 4th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
B,
Are you still here??
Don’t cry, we can learn to like you. It will take time!!
May 4th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
“It’s lunacy to begin to affix a “bust” label to Russell”
I labeled him that before the draft. Lazy in college, lazy in the pros.
“DE Jay Richardson–He’s had 22 starts in two seasons and his strength at 6-foot-6, 280 pounds is supposed to be at the point of attack as a base end. But Richardson too often fails to hold his edge or is pushed aside because he plays too high, resulting in rushing gains in his direction.”
Hawaiianboy will be heartbroken if this guy falls off the roster.
“Cable has already identified Hiram Eugene, who started the last five games of the season, as one of the team leaders. The draft picks of each of the last two years, Tyvon Branch and Mike Mitchell, look to have the potential to provide the physicality lacking in Huff.”
So, if Eugene is a team leader and the likely starter at FS by default, and Tyvon Branch is penciled in at SS…what is Mitchell’s role again?
“A cynic would suggest Burgess will be good for 12 sacks in a contract year. Perhaps, but the bigger issue with Burgess has been his health. What the Raiders ought to consider is making Burgess a nickel rusher, keeping his snaps down, and trying to help him maintain optimum health by avoiding rushing downs against tackles who outweigh him by 60 pounds.”
I’ve been saying that for 3 or 4 years.
“Last year’s Lane vs. Al show essentially had the Raiders as no-shows for the opener.”
Yet people still defend Al. Fascinating.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Post #213…24 Says:
Good post on Al Davis. You’ve got it.
Too bad John Madden didn’t want to get involved in an ownership level, get’s got the money but apparently not the mental desire. Ya, Davis is the problem. Has been and will continue to be the problem. He’s too stubborn to leave or sell, too prideful to turn the team over and too senile too see that he’s the sole problem. Shame on Davis.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
post 268…24 says:
Again, you’re right on. Davis was too cheap to pay the dude and didn’t like the fact that Gruden was getting much credit for the Raiders rise to glory again. Answer for Davis: Trade the dude. Them add insult to injury buy drafting bums with your picks. Davis really suzks.
May 4th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Jamarus will blossom this year,Dmac & Bush will run all over the nfl, Miller Will have a breakout year, Are young receivers will be the most dangerous corps because javon becomes comeback player of the year with 70 catches 10 tds, Our new O line WIll be solid,Henderson will smack people,our dts will play better because of our better offense,burgess gets 12 sacks with scott gets about 9 this year, FranTZ joseph Will make the team and split time with morrison, mitchell will be the new ronnie lott, eugune will be that team leader–chris johnson, and routt Will thrive being next to a player like Nmandi..seasass will make a 61 yarder, we already know about shane…sepcial teams is in place -
We are going to the playoffs this Year!!!
May 5th, 2009 at 2:09 am
LOL…we aren’t going anywhere this SEASON….
Hey Jerry…Here is my list of 5 who need to step it up buddy
1. TOM CABLE
2. TOM CABLE
3. TOM CABLE
4. TOM CABLE
5. TOM CABLE
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Our record will be 5-11 again with a new head coach shortly thereafter!
WRITE THIS DOWN!
May 5th, 2009 at 3:18 am
What’s up.
May 5th, 2009 at 4:36 am
Goog Morning NATION!!!
May 5th, 2009 at 4:58 am
Jerry thinks with a 5-11 record only “5″ people need 2 step up.
May 5th, 2009 at 5:59 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
Brien…wattup, homie….dave called….we’re all going to amsterdam tomorrow morning, then Australia by afternoon, then Hawaii in the evening….should be back in time for A’s game tomorrow….you want to come with????
i don’t have 2 season tix old buddy…I have 4…make it 6….i go to all games….me and brien, and 4 of my other alter egos…i will be at every game, as you all know…smoking ganj and drinking….starting at 5 am, and will continue to drink, smoke ganj, and pop pills until 4 am the next morning….i do that everyday……seriously……I am cooloh….forgot to mention….i am from the bay, smoke purple, and bump much bay area slaps….
i’m not a fan….
i’m not in the Raider Nation….
don’t claim Raider Nation….
wattup, Norco Bob…..i sent you a text….
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Enuff said & proven.
Delusional/drug addled/loser/schizo and worst of all……
NOT A RAIDER FAN!!!!
Strike three & 4.
You’re only here to agravate & no basis in reality!!!
The real question now is why talk to this
a$$ clown?
May 5th, 2009 at 6:01 am
I just got a happy Bday email from NFL.com!?!!
Does this mean I have to thank Rich Eisen?
May 5th, 2009 at 6:04 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S, 4EVA, NOMOREFARGAS,EXACT SAME THOUGHT I HAD 4EVA,EVERYONE NEED’S TO STEP UP THERE GAME. FROM COACHING STAFF TO BALL BOY , ENTIRE ROSTER OF PLAYER’S AND COACHES..
May 5th, 2009 at 6:08 am
And Al to step back!
May 5th, 2009 at 6:23 am
I would love Al to step back, he’s done so much for the franchise but he really should just enjoy his retirement now… We need a lively and experienced owner and GM now! It’s time the Raiders’ changed their look i think…
May 5th, 2009 at 6:24 am
Jerry should buy the Raiders!
May 5th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Good morning Nation!!! Sorry guys, my IT dept has found a way to block all blogs now so I wouldn’t be able to post anything in the AM anymore. I am currently using my blackberry to post right now. Know that I will miss the AM crews conversations and funny thoughts about all things Raiders. I will try to find a way to get back on.
Go Raiders!!!
May 5th, 2009 at 6:31 am
WRs – 1. Walker 2. DHB 3. JLH/Murphy 4. Murphy/Schilens
May 5th, 2009 at 6:32 am
Big Al stepping aside would be like Mick or Keith stepping aside from the Stones,imo
May 5th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Or Charlie Watts, have you seen him lately, 4eva? Lol
May 5th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Just the other day Hwnrdr :=)
May 5th, 2009 at 6:41 am
THEY ALL LOOK ABOUT THE SAME… NO CLUE ABOUT WATTS, HOW U BEEN HWNDR ?
May 5th, 2009 at 6:43 am
Morning Nation!!!
Just a thought could we trade one of our useless DT for one of AZ semi good ones in D. Docket he is an upgrade over just about all our guys no???
1. TOM CABLE
2. TOM CABLE
3. TOM CABLE
4. TOM CABLE
5. TOM CABLE
..I love this list step it up!!!!!!!!
May 5th, 2009 at 6:43 am
good morning Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, 4eva, TW …
May 5th, 2009 at 6:43 am
good morning OAKlifer!
what’s up bro?
May 5th, 2009 at 6:45 am
4evaRaider Says:
Big Al stepping aside would be like Mick or Keith stepping aside from the Stones,imo
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They should have done that about early 80s.
Mornin’ RR
May 5th, 2009 at 6:45 am
“Five who need to step up,”
Terdell Sands
Tommy Kelly
Jay Richardson
Chris Morris
Khalif Barnes
If the D-Line steps up their game, then we will be able to hold the run and cover more through out the game.
If the O-lines steps up thier game, then Russells passes will be more accurate and not as hard, plus we would be able to score in the red zone at least %70-%80 of the time. And it gives our “D” time to rest. Our “D” is on the field longer than or “O”.
Just that alone we should at least take 2 place in our division. Even though I rather have them take the division.
May 5th, 2009 at 6:48 am
Jerry thinks with a 5-11 record only “5″ people need 2 step up.
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LOL. no kidding. I can think of 20 guys who need to step it up off the top of my head
May 5th, 2009 at 6:48 am
Happy Birthday RaiderTW!!!
May 5th, 2009 at 6:52 am
thanx, Exla, NFL wants me to have a Raider hoodie for $65!!! With bday 10% off. Way too much cash.
May 5th, 2009 at 6:53 am
I’ve been good Dirt Lot. How about yourself? Swine flu scare, company taking precaution…just another day in the Bay.
Good morning Rockstar…4eva, the funny thing is, like Big Al, the Stones are still kicking…
May 5th, 2009 at 6:56 am
What about signing Larry Foote? We could do with a guy who’s been to the SB!
May 5th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Good morning nation.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:00 am
Mornin Double R,
Whats good brother…dockett wants out???? could we make it work?
hwnrdr Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Good morning Nation!!! Sorry guys, my IT dept has found a way to block all blogs now so I wouldn’t be able to post anything in the AM anymore.
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Hey bro have you tried to use Proxydust dot com or any other proxy site???
May 5th, 2009 at 7:01 am
Happy Birthday TW.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:03 am
http://investorshub.advfn.com/boards/read_msg.aspx?message_id=37500057
May 5th, 2009 at 7:04 am
No I haven’t. I’ll give it a try. Thanks OAKlifer…
May 5th, 2009 at 7:05 am
good morning exla, SILVRnBLKfeathers, centurion …
May 5th, 2009 at 7:05 am
TW,
What!?!
May 5th, 2009 at 7:07 am
HAPPY BDAY TW !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 5th, 2009 at 7:09 am
TW,
I don’t get it!!! Sorry, I’m slow.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:09 am
Nope…IT blocked proxy, too. Oh well, life on the crackberry…lol
May 5th, 2009 at 7:09 am
♪♪♪Happy happy birthday from all of us to you we wish it was our birhtday so we could party too hey!!!!!♪♪♪
Happy bday brother
May 5th, 2009 at 7:09 am
I don’t think the Raiders will make a play for Dockett, especially since he wants big money.
If we wanted a DT we would have taken BJ Raji in Round 1, Ron Brace in Round 2 or Sammie Lee Hill in Round 3 …
Kelly, Warren, Sands & Boschetti will be given another year. It’s sink or swim for this crew. If they can’t get the job done in John Marshall’s defense they won’t be back next season.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:10 am
lol
May 5th, 2009 at 7:13 am
good morning Raider O
what’s happenin’ ?
May 5th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Oh well guys…gotta get some work done…talk to you all when I can. Take care Nation!!!
May 5th, 2009 at 7:17 am
RR,
I can’t wait!!! I need some real news, but all is well. Thank you.
How is your mother sir? I hope all is well.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Five Qs with Desmond Bryant
Desmond Bryant signed an undrafted free agent contract with the Raiders last week.
How did the defensive lineman celebrate?
He went to class the very next day. History of Islamic Art and Architecture, to be specific. At Harvard, of all places.
The perfect union of brain and brawn.
The 6-6, 288-pound Psychology major took a break between classes for a quick phoner interview. Here goes:
Q: You’re in the NFL, and still went to class?
A: “It’s important for me to be able to graduate on time. One of my buddies was actually talking to me today about how awesome it would be to graduate from harvard, then start a new life in the NFL. I totally agree with that. … Graduate ceremonies are in June.”
Q: Defensive end or tackle?
A: “I consider myself able to play either position equally well. I’ve had a little more time playing end but this past year I got to play tackle.”
Q: Why Harvard, a non-power in football?
A: “When I came here on my official visit, I sat down with Coach Murphy. He said, ‘Desmond, I project you as a four-year starter with an opportunity to go to the NFL.’ Being a football player, that’s been a goal of mine my entire life. Hearing my coach say I had the ability to do that really motivated me.”
Q: How was draft weekend?
“I was always hoping for the best but expecting the worst. Ideally, I would have been drafted, but as long as I got the opportunity to show I can play in the NFL, that’s all I needed.”
Q: Why the Raiders, and not take offers from the Redskins, Eagles and Dolphins?
A: “The Raiders are an outstanding organization and has been for as long as I remember. I got to hear that Al Davis really wanted to work with me. They were telling me they really wanted to work with me and they thought I had good size and speed and agility. I wanted to work with them. (Raiders scout) William Thomas went to our pro day, I gave them an individual workout … When my name wasnt called, i figured I was going there.”
-David White (SF Chronicle)
May 5th, 2009 at 7:22 am
RO: mom still isn’t doing well. thanks for asking though
My sister graduated (got her Master’s Degree) on Saturday and she’s flying out to CA this morning to take care of her for the next 4 months – providing she makes it that long
May 5th, 2009 at 7:25 am
at 6-6, 288-pounds Bryant is better suited as a base end in the NFL.
otherwise this would be like playing Tyler Brayton at DT again (2007)
May 5th, 2009 at 7:29 am
RaiderO, just a joke, O
(rgasm)
Thanks guys, my bday is 5/7 but I keep getting emails with Bday offers.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:32 am
yes 288lbs is waay to lite to stuff the middle
May 5th, 2009 at 7:34 am
Someone said that Cable needs to step up.
I liked what he did the last few games. He improved his play calling on the field, and you could tell that the players were better coached.
He made some really bad calls early, and the play calling was terrible.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:41 am
RR,
I’m sorry to hear that. Stay strong bro.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:42 am
I agree O,Cable has and will be standing up 4 a long time I hope
May 5th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Bryant has the same size and #s as DE Mario Williams, but has a slower 40.
I like him as a Base End.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:47 am
O,
I think he stepped up, he went from OL coach to head coach of a downward spiraling franchise in the middle of a soap opera. He took a team with a 5 1\2 year losing attitude and actually got them to come out and play hard at the end of the season, win there last 2 when all they had to do was mail it in. And if you look at the previous 5 seasons compared to last season, which one was the worst when it came to overall attitude around mid season. Week 9 in Atl should have been the nail in the coffin for the season, but he actually got them to believe they could win, they beat Den, got spanked by SD and NE, then he STILL got them to consecutive victories to end the season.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:47 am
I reckon we’ll go 7-9 this year…. i can’t see us making the playoffs tbh but i think as long as DHB and Walker play well and Russell improves then we’ll be set for a new start
May 5th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Bryant is listed as a DL. Base Ends of that size like him can also play UT on passing Downs, due to his speed and ability to rush the passer.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Woj,
Exactly, I agree.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:51 am
TW,
you had Oak singing for you!!!
Dude, you crazy!!
F@”$ Fargas!!
May 5th, 2009 at 7:52 am
TW,
Oak was singing !!
Dude, you crazy!!
F@”$ Fargas!!
May 5th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Good morning NATION!!!!
May 5th, 2009 at 7:53 am
TW,
J O
May 5th, 2009 at 7:55 am
HEY 408 !!!
May 5th, 2009 at 7:56 am
If we could put 20 lbs on Fargas I think he could be best blocking FB in the league. Just tell him to act like he has the ball, and he’ll hit the 1st guy thru the hole like always, and McF or Bush can make the cut behind him.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:58 am
I like what we did on D so far, we added a few tweeners who can help at the front 7.
I still think we need a NT!!
May 5th, 2009 at 7:58 am
4eva….
i dont work on cinco de Mayo….
May 5th, 2009 at 7:59 am
R.I.P. Dom DeLuise
May 5th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Al Davis is the one that needs to step up. I will be a Raider till the day I die but Al Davis deserves the lambasting he gets because of his horrible draft picks and FA signings. He is the reason why the Raiders have been so bad over the years, his ego is more important to him than the team. Hey-Bey and Mitchell are good kids, good athletes and deserve better than what they got from the mediots but Monroe and Brace were bigger needs and smarter additions to the Raiders. The war is won in the trenches and Al continually ignores the quality of talent needed on the line to win at the playoff level. It does not matter what kind of talent you bring in at the skill positions as long as the lines are mediocre.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:09 am
The thing that i like about the start of this year is..we have a returning head coach yes he had the interim term last year but he was still the HC, with 2 years of coaching for the RAIDERS under is belt,He was learning right along with the team last year and he made some misstakes but also learned from them..i also like him bring in Tollner and Hackett they are both TEACHERS and in my mind that is what makes a good coach.Both are older gentalman not trying to get another gig in college just wanting to teach.Add Marshall and Board to the mix and i think we have a good group of teachers and IMO is what our young group of kid need teaching and stability . Stability is #1 in my book.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:12 am
I agree Mad Road Dog, i thought we should have snapped up Monroe 1st round and Robiskie Second round, Browns basically did what we should have done… O-line then 2 WRs in the second…
May 5th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Mad Road Dog : excellent post #521
teams should win BECAUSE of their o & d lines, not in spite of them …
However, if McFadden & DHB become stars in this league and Glenn Dorsey & Eugene Monroe become busts there will be no complaints from Raider Nation!
May 5th, 2009 at 8:13 am
But we’ll see what DHB, Mitchell and Murphy do before we judge them right?
May 5th, 2009 at 8:15 am
i dont work on cinco de Mayo
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I wonder what Chad Ocho Cinco is doing on Cinco de Mayo?
still trying to get traded? Jeremy Shockey was traded AFTER the draft last year …
May 5th, 2009 at 8:16 am
I was just wondering who #3 would be. First it was Danny Gans, then Jack Kemp, and today Dom DeLuise.
R.I.P.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:20 am
you guys are going to hate me for saying this, but it’s going to happen …
Shawne Merriman will be an Oakland Raider next year (2010)
Every LB on our roster will be a free agent besides Isaiah Ekejiuba (who is strictly a ST guy) and the hybrid kids we drafted in Rounds 4 & 6 this year…
May 5th, 2009 at 8:23 am
RR,
he’ll only come here if they re-open balco.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:23 am
what ever happened to Shawn Kemp?
he was a beast for the Sonics & Cavs … from 1989 to 1999
then he went to the Portland & Orlando and disappeared!
May 5th, 2009 at 8:26 am
new post
May 5th, 2009 at 8:29 am
merriman @ the raiders, doubt it… would love it though! He’s a beast!
May 5th, 2009 at 8:32 am
you guys can blast me all you want, but it’s going to happen!
Shawne Merriman will be an Oakland Raider next year (2010)
the dolts already had Jyles Tucker, Shaun Phillips & Stephen Cooper besides Merriman. Then they add Kevin Burnett from Dallas and Larry English in the draft. Merriman is in the final year of his contract …
May 5th, 2009 at 8:36 am
But won’t he want to go to a team that actually has a chance of making the playoffs? Unless we vastly improve this year, i’m not sure Merriman would sign with us and even if he would, Al Davis wouldn’t go get him… its just too logical!
May 5th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Dhb won’t be a factor. No hands. If Russel plays well Higgins will be the guy. I see the Raiders going 4-12/5-12 same with Denver. The Raiders and the broncos had bad drafts. Kc will is on the way up but the west belongs To the bolts.