Cable on KHTK
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, May 5th, 2009 at 2:07 pm in Oakland Raiders.
A transcript of Raiders coach Tom Cable talking with KHTK Sacramento hosts Grant Napear and Mike Lamb, courtesy of sportsradiointerviews.com.
On being immune to criticism regarding the picks of Darrius Heyward-Bey and Mike Mitchell . . .
Cable: Absolutely. We knew what we needed at the wide receiver spot. And we had obviously targeted that as a need for this team. And we needed a box safety, a guy that could give us a real physical presence in helping stop the run. So we knew the two types of players we needed and it was a matter of locating them the draft and would they come to us. And they did. You know, everybody’s going to question you, but the minute those guys start making plays, they’re gonna say, ‘Man those guys were geniuses and they were right all along.’”
On the advantage of having players in ‘NFL-ready’ offenses . . .
Cable: Well, in today’s game, it’s huge, because colleges are having so much success with the spread system. And rightly so — college is always ahead in terms of experimenting and trying new things and so you have to be careful; what’s the background of the individual and is he going to be able to adjust and do what you need him to do.
On an early inter-division schedule being spicy:
Cable: It is. And I mentioned this when the schedule came out, and I think it’s a good thing that we start out against San Diego right away and we’re coming off having won our last two regular season games and obviously feel good about ourselves and know we’ve got a long, long way to go to get where we want to be to compete for the division. But you’ve got to go play the best in your division right away, and it’s on Monday night.
On knocking Tampa out of the playoffs:
Cable: It was a lot of satisfaction to be quite honest with you. The week before we beat Houston who was arguably the hottest team in football. And we beat them the right way; we threw it with good balance, we ran it with good balance, we were able to close the game out running the football so we were able to win that game. And then you go out to Tampa and they’ve got everything to play for, they’re playing to get in the playoffs. And we talked all week that this is our last game and we have a chance to go back and learn something for the future — and that was our message all week: ‘You’re going to be in this situation, become a playoff team soon and you’re going to have to learn how to do it, how to live with it and how to handle yourself in that environment.
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May 5th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, what, oh, huh?
Oh, I see…You tell ‘em Tom!
May 5th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
second
May 5th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
second
May 5th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Brien,
I am not worried about it. I am flying in to LA for game 2 and I plan on tossing a beer at Artest…all part of the master scheme.
May 5th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
“Mitchell just knocked the absolute piss out of him. I thought he killed him on the sideline. That’s how hard he hit.”
I know that quote was from a few blogs ago, I just couldn’t help myself.
How the hell is everyone?!
May 5th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Damn, was that the whole interview?
May 5th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
yo Brien you coming downtown tonight???
May 5th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
“Mitchell just knocked the absolute piss out of him. I thought he killed him on the sideline. That’s how hard he hit.”
I know that quote was from a few blogs ago, I just couldn’t help myself.
How the hell is everyone?!
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The D can sure use it
May 5th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Cable: And we needed a box safety, a guy that could give us a real physical presence in helping stop the run.
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Talk about “Outside-In” thinking. Didn’t Gibril Wilson have some 100+ tackles? I am all for hard hitting safeties…but I would rather have some D-Lineman that stop the RBs at the line of scrimmage or linebackers that hit the gaps hard.
Oh well….
May 5th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
don’t believe you hear coaches who have been successful in the league for a while even talk so sure of themselves about their draft picks…don’t know about this guy and think if he was sooooo great what happened at Iowa or what has happened since.
May 5th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
lbraider Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Napear and Lamb are to much. They bag on the Raiders almost daily. So when they have a chance to ask specific questions they become cowards. They have pretty much called Jamarcus a bust. As for the draft
All I say is give the kids a chance and lets see what happens.They have already proclaimed Crabtree rookie of the year. Can anyone tell me when Mike Lamb played for the Raiders and at what position?
And why are Raider games even on KHTK 1140?
Sorry Jerry, I can vent about these 2 clowns all day.
======================================================= and the beat all is that little red head Napear does or did RAIDER preseason games on tv
May 5th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Considering that I don’t care about the NFC North, it would be AWESOME if Favre joined the Vikings. It would be so absurd to see one man’s personal vendetta against his former employers played out week after week. Plus, I love it when legends tarnish their legacy. It would really add some spice to the season. Bring the Bafoon Favre Circus back!
May 5th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Dell,
LMAO
Thad was great. lol
Still LMAO
By the way, how are you today? lol
May 5th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
That, sorry.
May 5th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Raider O and Dakota
Thanks, the draft was definetly different this year, oh for the days of DMAC and that draft offseason.
May 5th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Raider Dell, that was classic. Nicely done.
May 5th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Dell and others, sorry.
May 5th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Nappear and Lamb are a joke. They rip DAvis, his philosophies, and his puppets like Cable to shreds on a daily basis (which I enjoy, btw), then when they get Cable, it’s softball time.
May 5th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
URFA :
1- OLBs R Brown, I Eukij.., and J Alston.
2- FS H Eugene
3- DE D Grey and G Gunheim.
May 5th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Well, what a boring day to be a Raider fan. I’m off to Lincoln Park in LA. Cinco happy hours going through the night. Adios.
May 5th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
who is favre going to play for ???
May 5th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Dell i read your post before the mod took it down very nice job
May 5th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Dell,
I had to read it again!! lol
LMAO
May 5th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Wow, the Mod just took it out!!!
Why Mod??
Oh I get it, it was funny and smart!!
How dare you Dell, only Jerry can do that!!
LMAO
Free speach: LMFAO
May 5th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
RaiderDogg
Raider Dell
Nice to see the both of you.
I am going to see the DEAD on Sunday and Warren Hayes!!
I am so stoked!!!!!
May 5th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
My source tells me that the Bush/Ocho Cinco trade is not dead yet. It seems that talks have been ongoing since the draft. Don’t be surprised if the trade happens sometime next week. Stay tuned.
May 5th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Cosmic Dance? What is that SilverNBlack666? Is that your band? Sounds almost as bad as Charged Up’s lame cover band.
May 5th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Troll Alert
DMunoz 26 is the fake
DMunoz26 is the real deal.
May 5th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
DMunoz 26 is the real deal
KoolKell is a senile fool.
May 5th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
testing
May 5th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
SNB666
Hope all is well. Warren Hayes, that is one dude I would love to play with, If I could play any instrument.
May 5th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
DMunoz 26 Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
My source tells me that the Bush/Ocho Cinco trade is not dead yet. It seems that talks have been ongoing since the draft. Don’t be surprised if the trade happens sometime next week. Stay tuned.
I bet that DMunoz (the troll killer)
secret source is buttholeprick 
May 5th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Raider Dell Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
SNB666
Hope all is well. Warren Hayes, that is one dude I would love to play with, If I could play any instrument.
Dell….you left yourself wide open on that one
If it was anyone else I would have trolled 
you good 
May 5th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Trolls 35 Raiders 0 Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Raider Dell Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
SNB666
Hope all is well. Warren Hayes, that is one dude I would love to play with, If I could play any instrument.
Dell….you left yourself wide open on that one If it was anyone else I would have trolled you good
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Thanks for sparing me your mean spirited troll face, after reading the comment, I was open for a real mean troll.
That’s why I like you, happy troll.
May 5th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
I’d love to get a DVD of that Raider-Houston game, any ideas?
May 5th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Trolls is my fav troll. He is funny, even the BHP thing is funny.
Trolls,
How is coaching?
May 5th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
I still can’t believe the Mod deleted that post by Dell!! Why??
May 5th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
KK you must be from the bay…thats the only victory game i dont have on DVR from last year..and sorry i have no ideas..hate black-outs
May 5th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Raider O
The humor of some or the comment by me in this case probably was not shared by the mod. I assume the mod was Jerry M, or Jon. You must see the comment through their eyes.
Some humor is not funny or lacks the sharpness of how this blog has been formed.
The author(Jerry) has set some standards and I must have gone over the line. I must admit his reputation is important and my comment may have been preceived as a real chat with me.
My real point was to conclude with my comment how the blog with all of the comments before the draft and after how we all who are on this sight feel and concludedafter the draft was over.
Thanks for your support, and i will be back!
I will say I thought what I wrote was darn good.
May 5th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
RaiderDogg,
how are you man? Had not seen you around for a while. Wondered if you had survived your Carolina pulled pork birthday barbeque. Thought about asking Dell if you were still with us. Hope all is very well.
May 5th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Wow, I’m impressed…four questions? That’s it?
May 5th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Dell,
“Lacks the sharpness of how this blog has been formed”
May 5th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
R8rpaver Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
KK you must be from the bay…thats the only victory game i dont have on DVR from last year..and sorry i have no ideas..hate black-outs
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Yep. Netflix?
May 5th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
M
I guess all of the above with your comment is a go, but I guess the line is drawn when you have fun with others who don’t think it’s fun.
May 5th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
RaiderDell,
you are obviously intelligent, you are obviously courteous to other contributors, thusly you are obviously dangerous to any internet contact in both regards. Subversion can be such a subtle thing.The mods are just trying to protect us here from intellect and surrepticious meanderings of nicety.
May 5th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
I guess we can expect the Jeanette Thompson interviews with all the new draftees in the coming days and weeks, and that’s good as we get a personal look at their desire and feelings on becoming a Raider. Is it real or are they just there for a paycheck? Hopefully, we’re impressed with this years draft after seeing them up close and personal.
May 5th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
M
I will let my comment, although disappeared stand by itself. I know Raider O and Nader 64 and R8paver, like the comment very much. If I made them laugh or smile I have done a positive thing today.
May 5th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
M,
Post #46,
LMAO
May 5th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
What’s this?
http://www.torrentreactor.to/search.php?q=Week%2016%20Houston%20Texans%20at%20Oakland%20Raiders%2012%2021%2008
May 5th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Dell,
Thank you sir, and I did enjoy it a lot.
Still LMAO.
May 5th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
KK,
Is that ….!!
May 5th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
I don’t know what it is. Looks like the Hou-Raider game for download.
May 5th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
KK,
lol
May 5th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Nation,
I don’t understand why there are so many articles about DHB’s lack of football exp!!!
He played HS Football and he was a WR, Crab was a QB at HS. Also, correct me if I’m wrong, but Big Ben did play Football till the last few years of HS. He is a PB QB now, and that position needs a lot more EXP than WR. IMHO
Let me know what you think, or help me understand it!!
May 5th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
I know for a fact that DHB played HS football, it’s listed everywhere!!
May 5th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Nation,
The Mod just called me!! I can still post here, but I’m being exiled to KY!!!
LMAO
May 5th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
Whatup smellas??
I see we signed Blitzon Nixon(t.m. of SK Inc) yesterday. This kid has got to be able to at least help on ST’s.
Dude is quick as hell.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
According to NBC sports, the Raiders will wear their Retro 1963 uniforms 4 times this year to celebrate the AFL’s legacy.
I love it!
I may buy that, if the Price is Right. lol
May 5th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
R8,
It’s must have been a good “Novel”, the Mod AKA Big Brother doesn’t like that.
Did you write Sho3s!!! he doesn’t like that either!!
LMAO
May 5th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Alright, check out the Breathalyzer Fail at the top…
http://failblog.org/
That’s damn funny right there….
May 5th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
It, sorry.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
saint been there LMFAO
May 5th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
I don’t care what Favre does but I don’t see any reason with Favre being mad at the Packers. He did it to himself. For about 5 years straight, the guy was always contemplating retirement. The Packers had to ask themselves, is this guy really into it anymore? Is he just coasting? Favre was getting reckless with the ball too because he would just air it out and freelance and throw too many interceptions and the team would suffer. Finally, when he got really serious about retiring, the Packers were tired of hearing about it.
The Packers had drafted Aaron Rodgers with the intention of him taking over and 3 years had gone by with him on the bench and Favre playing games. Finally, Favre retires and the Packers were able to move onto their future QB and then Favre changes his mind again. The Packers were in the right regarding that situation in my opinion. If Favre would have been all in during those 5 years, I don’t think they would have had an issue. Favre is an attention hog.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
O i was talking about how the media just likes to report the bad more then the good in everything….dude i type with one finger it takes to effin long to do it again lol
May 5th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
SnB – I know we need better defensive line play but I can’t help but think that the offense will play better and the defense will play better under the new Defensive Staff. They can’t possibly coach these guys as wrongfully as the Rob Ryan Administration. I know the players have to play but Marshall will get these guys ready and more prepared. Rob Ryan seemed to be so cool to all the players, they probably weren’t in shape the way they needed to be and he probably let them do what they wanted more times than not.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Saint,
LMAO,
FAIL / BLOG !!! LMAO
May 5th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
R8,
lol
May 5th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
24: some of his team mates turned on him last year for not protecting the ball and thinking about the team…hes just trying to pad his stats he doesnt care about the team
May 5th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Satan
Al Queda
Taliban
Brett Favre
Just f’ing go away!!!!!
May 5th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
R8rpaver – And rightfully so.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Sorry fellas, long day!
May 5th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
saint can i add Nancy Pelose to that list…never mind you have her first on your list
May 5th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Never understood the whole “Ryan genius family tree thing”. Buddy had a run of about three years with a buch of Hall of Famers who would have kicked a** no matter who their coach was, Rex didn’t run the Baltimore defense (Ray Lewis does; they’ve had the same results no matter who their DC was), and Rob was a miserable failure in Oakland.
I’d also point out that Rex looks like somebody’s fat grandmother, but that wouldn’t be appropriate.
Maybe I’m missing something, but it seems like more “right place, right time” than actual coaching capability.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Nice R8r!!
May 5th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
“We targeted a track man, because we want to keep losing.”
What Cable meant to say…..
May 5th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Edward Teach – I disagree with you. Coaching really matters. Theres no proof the Bears would have won the Superbowl without Buddy Ryan coaching the defense. Coaches can help players become Hall of Famers by having a system that fits their strengths. Theres no guarentee that Jerry Rice would have been the GOAT if he ended up with the L.A. Rams instead for example. Buddy Ryan did fail as a Head Coach with the Cardinals however so maybe he was like a Norv Turner.
Also…Rex Ryan did a great job in Baltimore. When Mike Nolan was coaching the Defense, they were in late 20’s in Defensive Rank 2 out of the 3 years. The Ravens defense was great under Marvin Lewis, terrible under Mike Nolan and great again under Rex Ryan.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Well…whats the point of having Jamarcus Russell and his arm if you’re not going to use it? Thats where DHB comes in.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
umm tom cable . chubby coach. love ya man. but umm, never would the critics ever!! ever! call the raiders geniuses . they hate us. they hate al davis , they hate the raider fans .
May 5th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
Doriangray,
Someone a few days back used the term “puppet hole”, I thought that summed it up!!
May 5th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
i tell ya , its like this, if anotther team had drafted heyward bey . and the raiders drafted e . monroe. 3 years from now , after bey`s contract is up. fans would be like lets trade for that guy ! we just tgot em now. now … theres an o- tackle on penn state ( cant rememba his name
) and 1 on arkansas we need to look at dtrafting next year .. scout em soon
May 5th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
M Lonetree Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
RaiderDogg,
how are you man? Had not seen you around for a while. Wondered if you had survived your Carolina pulled pork birthday barbeque. Thought about asking Dell if you were still with us. Hope all is very well.”
M
Thank you for the kind words my friend. I have been a busy man these days, hard to make it up in here as often as I would like. Good to know good people such as yourself still frequent this joint.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
SNB666
I will be in Oakland at the Fox Theatre on Tuesday for Warren and the Allman Brothers. Just saw Jeff Beck at the Fox, awesome venue! Tell Warren I said hello when you see him on Sunday.
Dell
How was the much deserved vacation? I am bummed that I missed your humor earlier. The mod had at it before I returned. The mod also curiously deleted a post I made earlier to Dakota. Not everyone understands my humor I guess.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
http://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic_id=490b7ce58ffd8&date=2008-10-31%2017:47:19&id=656647&pid=9068372&the_count=10&group_id=&ua=
May 5th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
24… Point taken. Maybe it’s personal. I always thought Buddy was an ass, and Rob’s stay here was marked by his inability to hold his players accountable for anything, and almost incomprehensible game strategies.
You’re right though, the Ravens defense did perform well when Rex was there.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
i meant . http://www.modelmayhem.com/pic.php?pic_id=47e5496ce25a7&date=2008-03-22%2014:01:23&id=16501&pid=6072519 ..lol
May 5th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Edward Teach – Yeah…Rob Ryan sounded like a Kool Aid Drinkin Raider fan on a Raiders blog when talking about the team and that obviously helped us win.
May 5th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Y’all be cool
Peace
Go Raiders!
May 5th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
01-08-2009, 11:57 AM
Browns Fans Loving The Hire Of Rob Ryan as DC
Since the news broke that Ryan will be the DC of the browns I thought I would go on the Browns forum and check out what the fans are saying regarding the hire. To my surprise they are very please with the hire. Here are some quotes that I was just dumbfounded over.
“I remember discussing with Alo how we liked how the Raiders used their pass rushers. Now we’ll have their scheme”
“Dude is aggressive”
“Rob Ryan is Rex Ryan’s (Baltimore) Twin Brother…and they studied and shared schemes from all reports. From what I hear…Rob knows pretty much everything there is to know about Rex’s schemes…so get ready for a mixture of 3-4 and 4-3…with a PREMIUM on VERSATILITY of his players”
“You better be right about Rob Ryan or I’m personally kicking your butt for getting our hopes up. smile.gif”
” I’m extremely excited about Ryan. We needed an aggressive D. This is a good place to start.”
” we could go after Nnamdi Asomugha in free agency, as well, to get that shutdown corner that ryan’s used to having. their rapport could be a major draw in bringing him to cleveland”
May 5th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
24… I’m looking forward to Marshall’s defense. No doubt we’ll struggle because we’re young and don’t really know how the new guys will play (or the vets will respond to the tweaks and adjustments), but it does sound like he and the guys he brought with him from Seattle will demand accountability, and having an actual 4-3 DC here has to be somewhat of an improvemenmt.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Edward Teach – The teams success is dependent upon it.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
The Browns are in the same position we’re in. They have great fans (couple of my friends are die-hards and those people love their team), and they’ve struggled a lot on defense.
I don’t wish Rob bad luck or anything. I’m just glad he’s not here anymore.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
i wish rob much bad luck
May 5th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
I should clarify my stance. We play the Browns this year, and in that game I hope his defense fails miserably. Other than that, maybe they can have fun beating up on Brady Quinn in practice.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Well…I hope Rob Ryan sucks in Cleveland so we can prove that it was his fault in Oakland. I hope Brady Quinn does well however but they should trade him because I don’t want to see him on that team.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Rob Ryan has always said that “He was takin’ the Browns to the Super Bowl”. Problem is, he only says it on his way to the bathroom…
May 5th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
24: Marshall and IMO Hackett have the most important jobs this season
May 5th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
r8rpaver Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
24: Marshall and IMO Hackett have the most important jobs this season”
Don’t forget Sanjay Lal
May 5th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
We need to generate some sort of passing offense to help the run game become more productive and allow the Defense to be more aggressive.
Look at the numbers last year:
- The Raiders ranked 10th in the NFL in rushing yards and carries per game, but they ranked 28th in rushing TD’s and 26th in rushing first downs.
- Despite the aforementioned top 10 running game, the Raiders were last in the league in 3rd down conversion rate (28%) and 28th in Time of Possession.
That means our running game produces a bunch of “meaningless” yards between the 20’s and on 1st and 2nd downs, but when it comes to converting 3rd downs and scoring TD’s (which is when we needed most) we really struggle…and the lack of a passing game is the reason.
How many times did we start a drive with a couple of good runs, picked up a 1st down or two…only to watch the drive stall around midfield because we couldn’t convert a 3rd and 5?.
The Defensive playcalling gets more conservative as you don’t wanna give up big plays that lead to TD’s because you know your Offense can barely manage to score a few points each game, so you start to play with a bend but don’t break kind of approach in hopes of keeping the game close as long as you can.
That’s gonna be the key next year, Tom Cable, Ted Tollner, Paul Hackett and JaMarcus need to develop a decent passing game as the year goes on, hopefully by mid-season we’ve become a balanced offense and we can close the year playing some solid all-around football.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
all the coaches have a tough row to hoe so to speak..your right Lal is going to be VERY important as well..as long as they are all on the same page they can grow as a TEAM
May 5th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Bob very well said
May 5th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
The Big question is how this team performs in the Red Zone. Some nice variety and efficiency there would not only equal points, but it’s extra time for the D to rest and reorganize on the sidelines. Basic stuff, but a huge key to the Raiders season this year.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Bob Marley – I honestly think Fargas was part of the problem as well. He isn’t a playmaker. He’ll run hard but he won’t fool anybody. Hes not going for any passes or anything and that makes the playcalling predictable. You get a guy like McFadden and nobody knows what hes going to do next. He could pass it, run it or go out for a short pass and turn it into a 20 yard gain. When Defenses weren’t scared of the pass, they weren’t worried about Fargas either.
May 5th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Nice post, Bob Marley.
The skill position talent on this team is really something; if the passing game can be viable it opens up a ton of options, and I wouldn’t want to be the DC that has to gameplan against it.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
bunch formation right miller left DMAC in the backfield alot of options just have to execute and block…
May 5th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
24
Yeah, Fargas is not versatile and that limits the playcalling, but that’s also what makes me admire the guy…when he’s in the backfiled opponents are expecting him to run it and they are geared to stop him and yet the guy rarely loses yards, he just goes at them and grinds out some of the toughest yards in the league, imagine what he could do if opponents were also worried about the pass instead of focusiing on him, uh?.
That being said, McFadden and Bush need to take over without a doubt.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Bob Marley – Well…to make matters worse. Justin Fargas has 8 Total Touchdowns in 6 years and if you can’t get into the endzone, you can’t win. Thats the difference between Fargas and a Playmaker. A Playmaker makes it happen.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
# Bob Marley Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
24
Yeah, Fargas is not versatile and that limits the playcalling, but that’s also what makes me admire the guy…when he’s in the backfiled opponents are expecting him to run it and they are geared to stop him and yet the guy rarely loses yards, he just goes at them and grinds out some of the toughest yards in the league, imagine what he could do if opponents were also worried about the pass instead of focusiing on him, uh?.
That being said, McFadden and Bush need to take over without a doubt.
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And then Fargas carried the ball what 200+ times last year and he put it on the ground and lost it what once??? And as Bob Marley basically said, while he is not a receiving threat Fargas is a very good blocker, something Dmac and Michael Bush are not at this point. Not that I am a “Justin Fargas should be in the Hall of Fame” member, but he is a waaaay more complete player and has many positive aspects to his game than most of you actually realize.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Bob Marley – His toughness would be better suited on Special Teams.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Fargas lost it once but he still fumbled 3 times.
Also..I correct myself…Fargas has 7 Total Touchdowns and 8 Total Fumbles. Whether he lost the fumble or not is meaningless because that means he got lucky.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Thanks.
Of course, some of the passing game struggles were to be expected with a “rookie” QB last year, so it should get better if only because JaMarcus is in year 2, but we need to make it easier on him as well, too many times last year we threw only when we were “forced” to do it and obviously the defense was ready.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Justin Fargas had 3.9 YPC, 42 Long, 1 TD, 3 Fumbles
Darren McFadden had 4.4 YPC, 50 Long, 4 TD, 3 Fumbles
Michael Bush had 4.4 YPC, 67 Long, 3 TD, 1 Fumble
McFadden got 4 TD’s in 13 games.
Bush got 3 TD’s in 15 games.
Fargas has 7 TD’s in 80 games.
McFadden/Bush has 7 TD’s in 28 Games combined.
Fargas has 7 TD’s in 80 games Total.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Alot of you bash Michael Huff but Justin Fargas is the equivalent of him on offense. They both try hard but their stats don’t show it. Fargas blocks really well while Huff covers TE’s really well.
I’m sure they are also good people.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
Fargas is tough, and Fargas blocks well. But Fargas doesn’t score TD’s. Got it.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
The entire team did not score TD’s. To put that all onto Justin Fargas is a little disingenous. All that being said, I can guarantee we are going to see more Dmac and Michael Bush this year. And I can’t wait for that.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Yes…and you’re going to see more Dmac and Bush this year because THEY SCORE TOUCHDOWNS!!! Why can people put everything on Huff’s shoulders but not Fargas’? Its weird how that works. Somehow, Huff is responsible for a poor run defense, yet Fargas continues to get a pass. I just don’t get it. I don’t think people truly understand 7 TD’s in 6 years. Whats so confusing? With the same offense…DMAC/Bush got 7 TD’s while Fargas had more carries and 1 TD. How is this hard to understand?
May 5th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
24 Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Alot of you bash Michael Huff but Justin Fargas is the equivalent of him on offense.
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That, I would not agree with. Whether you like him or not, Fargas is an average plus back in the league. What he lacks in some areas, he makes up in others. Huff is NOT, an average plus safety out there. Huff is a decent coverage guy but has made NO plays, he is not a sure tackler, and his decisiveness is lacking. That’s what hurts him most. Huff is in the very bottom of the safeties in the league.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Oakglenn – We’ll see.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
People talk about fargas heart but lets look at his weakness can’t catch the ball, never shakes anybody I though Lamont jordan was the worst at this but fargas tops him, and just can’t score watch him on goalline and Bush or Dmac are so much better hell give Rankin the chance and I promise you he scores more than once.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Huff only has an Art Shell scholarship (Allegedly).
Justin Fargas has an Al Davis scholarship.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
No one will score much unless we develop a credible passing game. When you can’t convert 3rd downs your drives will usually stall before you even get to the red zone.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Come on 24, Fargas carried the ball what 70 times his first THREE YEARS IN THE LEAGUE TOTAL?? And his lack of TD production coincidentally mirrors the Raiders offensive evaporation. One thing you always have to consider is guys play a certain style of game. Jerome Bettis was not used as a third down scat back. Joe Jerivicious was not used as a speed burner receiver. Fargas is a between the 20’s RB. That’s what he is. And for the last 3 years he has seen his playing time increased our passing game has been BY FAR the worst in the league. So in the red zone, who do you think defenses are going to key???
May 5th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Bob Marley Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
No one will score much unless we develop a credible passing game.
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Thank you.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
# 24 Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Oakglenn – We’ll see.
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We’ll see about what?
May 5th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
The whole team has been lousy. Which coincidentally mirrors 72 losses in 6 years, and 5 Head Coaches in 5 years.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Kool,
Howd Fargas do while on scholarship in 07?
Hell, he had a pretty damn good year last year considering the garbage offense he played in.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
24,
Your Fargas stance has no merit. The guy produces when healthy. Getting tired of all the Fargas bashing. The Raiders run game is a THREE headed monster NOT 2.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
698 Career Carries, 7 TD’s?
May 5th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Fargas has never been a monster and will never be one I don’t see any team beating down our door for him so love him all you want just pleas let Dmac and Bush get the bulk of the carries.
May 5th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Kool,
Is that an answer to my question??
Nomorefargas,
Do you see any teams beatn down the door for DMC or Bush? If that your argument then you DONT have an argument.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
# KoolKell Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
698 Career Carries, 7 TD’s?
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Again, if the rest of the team was scoring TD’s in droves, then yes, Fargas is deficient. That wasn’t the case. I think NoMoreFargas’ post #128 is about right. Raider fans want Marcus or Bo back there and Justin Fargas is not Marcus or Bo Jackson. That’s the bad news. The good news is we have both Michael Bush and Darren McFadden coming off very quiet lst and 2nd seasons. Expect a LOT more of both of them.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Dude
How bout this, 1 TD every 99.7 carries.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Kool,
How many TDs per touch does the Raider offense have?
How do explain 07?
Is it 100% his fault he doesnt get many TDs?
I am not saying the guy is a GREAT back. Fact is he is a good NFL running back and some of you act as if he dznt belong in the league. Rediculous.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
KK,
So every 4-5 games he scores 1 TD.
F$&@ Fargas!!
I agree with Oak, we need all 3 backs. Last year proves that, we used all 3 backs due to injuries.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Dude,
We agree on smething!! I can’t believe it!! lol
May 5th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Sorry…My internet crashed but I am back.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
F$&@ Fargas? But then in the next sentence you say “we” need all 3 backs. Huh.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
24,
Bush and Dmac have a combined 48 NFL games.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
A running game is supposed to setup the pass, not the other way around. The point is…Fargas didn’t do a good enough job and the passing game struggled. Once DMAC and Bush started gettin the ball, all of a sudden we had a good offense and a good passing attack. Gee…I wonder why.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Never caught a TD pass in his career.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Dude,
Damn, I almost enjoyed it!!
May 5th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Dude – They have played in 28. Bush didn’t get to play his rookie year and McFadden had 2 hurt toes last year.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
24,
It depends on how you run your offense, you can do it both ways.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Raider0,
See, agreeing with me is fun!!
May 5th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
If the Raiders would have had LaDainian Tomlinson instead of Justin Fargas, I guarentee we would have had more TD’s on offense. I’m not expecting Fargas to be great but my point is…his lack of ability hurt the Raiders offense in general.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Ummm, so you take away the games those 2 missed but not the ones Fargas missed or didnt get a carry in?? Way to make the stats fit your agenda.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Howd his lak of ability hurt the Raider offense in 07?
May 5th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Fargas is the best Blocking RB on the Roster, we need him. After DMC and Bush learn how to block, then we can cut him. I think this will happen after this season. IMHO.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Tomlinson had 10 TD’s his rookie season with a 3.6 YPC and the Chargers were terrible that year but hey…Go Fargas.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Dude – I also mentioned the amount of games Fargas played in compared to DMAC and Bush. Did you read it?
May 5th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
How many did Fargas play in?
May 5th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Someone compare Fargas to LT?????
May 5th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
07 was a bad year for the offense due to the bad play from the O line.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Justin Fargas had 3.9 YPC, 42 Long, 1 TD, 3 Fumbles
Darren McFadden had 4.4 YPC, 50 Long, 4 TD, 3 Fumbles
Michael Bush had 4.4 YPC, 67 Long, 3 TD, 1 Fumble
McFadden got 4 TD’s in 13 games.
Bush got 3 TD’s in 15 games.
Fargas has 7 TD’s in 80 games.
McFadden/Bush has 7 TD’s in 28 Games combined.
Fargas has 7 TD’s in 80 games Total.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
I must be having a nightmare. I woke up and the blog is commenting on Fargas again, no wait a minute, this is not a nightmare and were commenting about Fargas again. I better go back to sleep, and when I wake up next, we’ll be talking about Huff next time. Yawn Yawn.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
24,
Are you trying to compare Fargas to PB RB LT!!
One is a great back, and the other is descent.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Anaheim 2 Detroit 1 great Hockey game tonight.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Dell,
We can’t help it, I blame it on the lack or real news!!
May 5th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Dude
2007 – Fargas had 23 Receptions for 188 yards, 8.2 Average, 17 Long and 11 First downs.
2008 – McFadden had 29 Receptions for 285 Yards, 9.8 Average, 27 Long and 14 First Downs.
2008 – Bush had 19 Receptions for 162 Yards, 8.5 Average, 25 Long and 7 First Downs.
It didn’t take long for a much better back to make Fargas’ stats look meek. In DMAC’s ROOKIE season, he already surpassed the stats of Fargas.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Raider O – No…I’m comparing what 1 back can do with a poor team vs. what another team can do with a different poor team. STOP BLAMING THE TEAM. LT was able to make something out of nothing and SCORE TOUCHDOWNS. Fargas doesn’t have that ability and contributed to the failures of the offense. Anybody consider that Fargas is a big reason why our offense never produced? Teams didn’t even have to stack the line to stop Fargas. They could focus on our passing game while the front 7 easily stopped him. Hes not hard to figure out.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
I’m happy to see Anaheim winning. I’d rather see the team that took out the Sharks, win it all so I know we lost to the best team.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Dude you just got owned by 24, lol.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
24,
I don’t thnk anyone is saying that Fargas is better than Bush and DMC, but We need 3 RBs on the Roster:
1- DMC: big play ability, and he can catch well.
2- Bush: a big powerback, who also has speed and quick feet.
3- Fargas: he can block, read Defenses to help block, and he is a leader on the team.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Agreed we need all three but
Bush
Dmac
Fargas
Not the other way around.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
24,
I’m sorry sir, but I still don’t get it!
Fargas is a descent back, he is not great. LT is a PB RB who will be in the HOF.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Raider O – No…Some people are giving way too much credit to Fargas than he deserves. Of course we need 3 running backs but that doesn’t mean his name has to be Justin Fargas. There was about 4-5 DIFFERENT Bronco RB’s who accomplished more than Fargas in 4-5 consecutive seasons despite being no name players. Theres no reason we can’t have more production even out of our 3rd back. I don’t want a 1 trick pony…I want versatile backs that defenses have to account for.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
I don’t dispute any or all facts from 24 or Raider O regarding Fargas. I just want you to think about one thing when any player is talked about.
There are 11 players on offense, and if you use stats to justify or condemned Fargas, than what due the other 10 guys grade out. So if Fargas plays bad is it only his fault or is it the fault of all 11 players. The other side of the coin says what if Fargas is successful do the other 10 guys have a hand in his success.
Fargas is 1/11 on the field, you have to remember a team plays together and every play drawn up is a successful play, unless someone doesn’t hold the block or misses one, then does it become Fargas fault.
The debate sounds like Fargas is the QB, he is not, the ball is handed to him, he is only as good as his blocking.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
In 2004 we were absolutely LAST in the league in rushing offense. Fargas basically did not play. Our record was 5-11. The next year we jumped all the way up to 29th in the league in rushing offense and Fargas again basically did not play. Our record jumped all the way to 4-12. Fargas did not start playing til the next year. So how are all our offensive woes Justin Fargas’ fault again??
May 5th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Raider O – Its ok that you don’t get it. Neither did the coaches who kept starting him and watching our offense fail with him as their starting back. Its ok. You’re not alone. Someone must have thought he was great because they kept putting him back there instead of replacing him. I wonder who?
May 5th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Dude is back I wonder if he has the answers to my questions from yesterday yet lol
May 5th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Raider Dell – Are you telling me that LaDainian Tomlinson’s Offensive Line, WR’s and the rookie QB Drew Brees were great when LT got there? Can you think of anybody that made that offense outside of LT in that beginning era? With that being said, LT was versatile. Thats what really made him great. He ran hard, just like Fargas. He ran up the middle and around the edge, just like Fargas. The difference was you had to contain him in the passing game because he would destroy you. Had Fargas had that skill, he could have provided more to this offense.
Fargas couldn’t because hes an average back at best. LT’s Offense was not great when he got there but it was great after he got there and that was with no weapons around him.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Belated Happy Birthday to you 16 yr 16 year fan.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Oakglenn – Surely Lamont Jordan has alot to blame as much as Justin Fargas during these years. Jordan wasn’t any better and that is why hes gone. Fargas is not however. Jordan was more athletic and talented but the guy wasn’t in shape to be an everydown back. The guy was winded ever 2 carries.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
24,
I get what you are saying now,and I agree. I’m a few posts behind. lol
You guys are fast.
Just remember,
If we have a better RB available than Fargas, then yes..he should be on the roster.
I think Fargas provides more for the team than just being a RB, he’s also a leader. IMHO
May 5th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
06′,07′,08′ Fargas was the leading ball carrier.
But I agree it would be unfair to pin the Raider woes on Fargas or Huff.
That honor belongs to the Master, Al Davis.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Thanks dell
May 5th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Last year McFadden/Bush combined for 256 total touches while Fargas had 228.
It’s not like Fargas got the ball 80% of the time, in fact McFadden/Bush got over 50% of the available touches.
And still…
- The Raiders ranked 10th in the NFL in rushing yards and carries per game, but they ranked 28th in rushing TD’s and 26th in rushing first downs.
- Despite the aforementioned top 10 running game, the Raiders were last in the league in 3rd down conversion rate (28%) and 28th in Time of Possession.
Again, the point is….
The lack of a passing game is the reason we failed to convert on 3rd downs, which means we failed to get to the red zone very often, which means we didn’t score nearly enough points.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Lamont Jordan had 14 TD’s running and 2 catching in 35 games.
He also contributed 70 catches receptions in 2005 to go with his 1025 yards but his average was only 3.8 YPC each year in Oakland.
May 5th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
24
You are using LT as an example to compare Fargas. LT has to be before last year probably the best Rb in the NFL, he was drafted I believe in the top five. I’m trying to compare Fargas to his role on this team and what his defined role is.
I agree his hands are cold stone, like the ice cream joint, I do see a role for him on this team.
Last year at this time we had no idea the type of RB Bush was going to be, his injury was a type of injury he may of never recovered from. The results are in, Bush should have a definite role in this year’s offense. His skills to block are getting better, and his pass receiving skills are better than Fargas.
My comment is not to compare LT to Fargas, but to look at his role on the team and what is his strength and weakness, and a good HC will utilize that player to the best of his ability.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Within three years of being drafted Ladanian Tomlinson was playing with Pro Bowl QB Drew Brees and lst team All Pro Antonio Gates as a TE, in addition to being a lst team All Pro himself, coming over to San Diego in the Mike Vick deal for the lst overall draft choice. How many lst team All Pro’s are on the Justin Fargas offense keeping him from being keyed? I forget.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Bob Marley – McFadden got hurt in game 2 and was never the same. He lit the Chiefs up and our offense was lookin good. Fargas took over from that point on so there you go. No deception and it didn’t help that Jamarcus Russell was completely inaccurate until about week 13. Walker was hurt, Curry couldn’t catch, Lelie was new, Higgins was a bobblehead and Schilens played like a rookie.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
# Bob Marley Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Last year McFadden/Bush combined for 256 total touches while Fargas had 228.
It’s not like Fargas got the ball 80% of the time, in fact McFadden/Bush got over 50% of the available touches.
And still…
- The Raiders ranked 10th in the NFL in rushing yards and carries per game, but they ranked 28th in rushing TD’s and 26th in rushing first downs.
- Despite the aforementioned top 10 running game, the Raiders were last in the league in 3rd down conversion rate (28%) and 28th in Time of Possession.
Again, the point is….
The lack of a passing game is the reason we failed to convert on 3rd downs, which means we failed to get to the red zone very often, which means we didn’t score nearly enough points.
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Bob, if you wouldn’t mind, would you start your OWN blog??
May 5th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
I think the lack of 3rd down conversions was because of penalties and play calling kwame would get a false start and then we would run on 1st down throw on second and then run again on 3rd and 9 every once in a while it would work but if we get rid of the penalties and conservative play calling we will have a lot more 3rd down sucess
May 5th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
And the point is Henderson, Bush, Dmac, JLH, Chaz didn’t play until the end of the season.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Oakglenn – Those guys became Pro Bowlers with the help of LT. LT was drafted in the 1st round and Brees was drafted in the 2nd round of the same year. On top of that, Brees didn’t step his game up until the team drafted Philip Rivers and Antonio Gates was a complete surprise. Its no wonder that Rivers has become a Pro Bowler because without LT, I doubt he would have.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
# Bob Marley Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
- Despite the aforementioned top 10 running game, the Raiders were last in the league in 3rd down conversion rate (28%) and 28th in Time of Possession.
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Do you guys realize we did not convert a third and ten or longer, in three months during last season?? To me, that was the most telling stat. We had no passing game, and no credible threat of a passing game, and we haven’t had one for years. Hence my calls for drafting a marquee offensive tackle and the Raiders choice for going WR at 7 overall.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
All I know is…theres a reason the team drafted Bush and McFadden. They knew one of their greatest weaknesses was at RB and there he is…Justin Fargas. Welcome to the 3rd string buddie. Enjoy the pine.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Goodnight fellas, rough day in the blog. I was moderated twice, spilled my coffee on my partial lap and my dog pooped in the house.
It will be better tomorrow, when we comment about Huff.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
head-wall-bang,bang,bang…………
May 5th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
nite Dell
May 5th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Ladanian was taken third overall when ATL and SD swapped picks, and then SD chose Brees at the top of the 2nd round in the same draft. Even without Ladanian, Brees has completely flourished in New Orleans. These are very good players, Tomlinson a HOF player, someone taken third overall should be looked at as a Hall of Fame candidate. Fargas was a third rounder. And until very recently, there was no one else on that offense. The offensive line was terrible. Hard to blame Fargas for everything.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Good night all.
I guess we can all agree that it’s the McFadden/Bush show from now on, with some timely relief work from Fargas.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
nite Dell.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Raider Dell – Peace.
And so you know…Huff should be better under the Marshall Plan. Key word is “should be”.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
or phrase
May 5th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Bob Marley – Peace.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Oakglenn – I’m not blaming Fargas for “everything”. I have Al Davis for that. I’m saying he was a big contributer to the failure of the offense over the last few years. Its hard to be successful with an average RB starting.
As far as Brees goes, He became a Pro Bowler with the Chargers and took that with him to N.O. Sean Payton is a QB guy and the perfect mentor and Brees had Deuce McAllister and Reggie Bush so there was talent and versatility at the position for him to work with.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
Go on NFL.com Game Splits. Wins/Losses.
McFadden avg 5.6yds per carry in the Wins and 3.4yds per carry in the losses.
Mike Bush avg 5.9 yds per carry in Wins. 3.1 yds per carry in the losses.
Justin Fargas avg 3.7 yds per carry in the Wins. 4.1 yds per carry in the losses.
Too complicated?
May 5th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
I am not disagreeing with ya 24. I just think some people here blame all their woes on #25. I seriously don’t think he deserves that. And considering he just won the Eschmont award for most inspirational player, neither do his team mates or coaches.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Good night Dell.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
KoolKell – Wow. Thats really interesting. Great stats. Thank you. Point proven.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
Oakglenn – I’m not criticizing his desire or his passion or his work ethic. Kudos. But what matters the most is production if you want success and he just hasn’t delivered. Thats why we drafted the Law Firm of Bush & McFadden so we’re solid now.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
[...] Cable on KHTK – Inside The Oakland Raiders – A look inside the … [...]
May 5th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Good night Bob.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
24, I don’t think it is quite that simple. You look at the number of TD’s scored. Well, I don’t remember exactly all the Bush and McFadden TD runs, but we scored 2 TD’s in the final 4 minutes of the opening blowout loss against Denver, while the Denver defense was boarding the team bus. Those stats count, but they came in complete garbage time. See where I am going here?
May 5th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Oakglenn – Sure but where is Fargas’ garbage time TD’s? Catch my drift?
May 5th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Fargas was a reliable productive HB. The team he played on was no better than he was……..period.
We’ve won SB’s with HB’s no better than fargas. Because they were on great teams. Kenny King was no better than Justin fargas, but he played on a great team.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Good night guys.
Fargas!!!
lol
May 5th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
In other words Justin Fargas is NOT the problem. Hell, I would take Fargas over Clarence Davis anyday.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
All I know is…we’ve got our trio and our hopefully better Defensive Coordinator. Russell, McFadden, DHB. We also have talent behind all 3 positions and thats comforting.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
O – Peace.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Foote close to contract with Lions
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4143593
May 5th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Gnite guys.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
KoolKell – Night.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
# 24 Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Oakglenn – Sure but where is Fargas’ garbage time TD’s? Catch my drift?
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That’s my point. He’s the starter he is not there in garbage time. Plus, if you have been following the Raiders the last few years, they are normally behind by a bunch late in games, which kind of negates the starting RB.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
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In an e-mail message sent to all certified contract advisors, the union forwards an FDA link outlining the recently-discovered health risks associated with the product.
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May 5th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
I said it last year and maybe I was a year too early but at some point this young talent is going to pay off.
It’s no secret everything hinges on Russell. But the talent around him is outstanding and when it comes together it’s going to be fun to watch. If DHB is as advertised by the Raiders as Oak has said as well, look the _ out.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Oakglenn – These are all excuses. 7 Total TD’s is not enough, I don’t care. We can agree to disagree. Either way…Fargas should be our 3rd back. Period.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
s rumors of a potential trade of receiver Braylon Edwards continue to circulate, the Browns have added another pass catcher to the roster for 2009.
The team has announced that veteran wideout Mike Furrey has agreed to terms.
(He would have been a nice addition as a veteran.)
May 5th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
According to John Crumpacker of the San Francisco Chronicle, the 49ers have acquired four rookies with a history of various character issues.
That includes: undrafted Ohio State offensive tackle Alex Boone, who went on a drunken rampage in February, third-round running back Glen Coffee, who was suspended for four games at Alabama for a textbook scandal, seventh-round defensive tackle Ricky Jean-Francois, who was suspended for a year for allegations of academic cheating at LSU, and undrafted Purdue running back Kory Sheets.
(Add to this the attitude of Crabtree and you have the makings of the old Raiders West over there. Have we totally swapped our ways with the 49ers? Are we the good guys now? Haha.)
May 5th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
My guess is DHB is going to be going the red shirt route this up coming year. I guess we’ll find out how far along he is on Friday. That’s the bad news. The good news is Jamarcus, Mike Bush, Darren McFadden, and Arman Shield have all gone thru their red shirt lst years, and should all be ready to go, and have more responsibility this next year.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
I don’t know Oak, I’m hearing some real good things about DHB. I would not be surprised to see this kid be a real factor especially in the second half of the season.
May 5th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
But first let’s see what his off season and preseason look like.
May 6th, 2009 at 12:04 am
Oakglenn, I’m glad you’re here. Would you please tell priest that heyward-gump was a horrible pick?
May 6th, 2009 at 12:04 am
Ready or not…the good thing about DHB is that regardless of whether hes completely ready…He can still run faster than everyone else. To get him comfortable, just have him run a couple of fly patterns. It may be predictable but you can call a run play when hes lined up to keep the defenses guessing.
May 6th, 2009 at 12:06 am
priest, fuq you! You’re baiting people with all of this over the top optimism. You know people are going to think you’re nuts. Then you coil up and try to make everyone else look like the bad guys. I will not play your fuqquin game today. Goodnight. Later, Oakglenn.
May 6th, 2009 at 12:09 am
Just to change the topic and out of curiosity, does anyone know how many passes DHB dropped last year?
I have yet to see any lowlights on youtube with him dropping passes, I just see where everyone says he drops a lot.
May 6th, 2009 at 12:17 am
Jerryelisabeth – Its hard to find those college stats. I’ve been looking but I don’t have the answer as of yet.
May 6th, 2009 at 12:21 am
Thanks for the reply, glad to know I am not the only one coming up emty.
May 6th, 2009 at 12:22 am
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2009/5/3/864045/darrius-heyward-bey
Interesting breakdown of DHB.
May 6th, 2009 at 12:24 am
I’ve heard he had inconsistent hands early in his college career but improved every year. That’s not to say that he wont drop a few. But he is capable of HUGE plays catching the ball in traffic and will fight for the. Has tremendous body control and is very competitive.
Also people called him a track star trying to play football. The truth is he didn’t run track in college he concentrated on football. While he’s still learning the position, he’s learned in the prostyle which should accelerate his curve. The kid has a real skillset for the position it’s just a matter of reps.
May 6th, 2009 at 12:24 am
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/thetoydepartment/2009/04/be_wary_of_the_workout_warrior.html
Another interesting read. A Breakdown of WR’s taken over the years in the 1st round.
May 6th, 2009 at 12:26 am
Goodnight.
May 6th, 2009 at 1:06 am
Someone needs to tell the guy about the fact that 7 rnds are several more opportunities after the first rnd to be successful. 6 rnds as opposed to one. Of course the odds are better.
He should take a look at QB’s if he thinks WR’s bust potential is out of wack.
Not to mention none of it has anything to do with specific players. DHB has as good a chance to be successful as any player drafted……..period
The most important thing after talent is his desire to be great. If he wants it bad enough chances are with that talent, he’ll get it.
May 6th, 2009 at 1:31 am
Good articles; however, I could not open the videos, but I have seen most that were posted on youtube already.
The main thing that pops out in my mind is the analysts saying he drops too many passes yet there are no videos that I can find where he even drops one.
May 6th, 2009 at 2:33 am
“‘Man those guys were geniuses and they were right all along.’”
Good luck with that.
May 6th, 2009 at 4:58 am
He’s risking a lot saying that..
May 6th, 2009 at 5:11 am
Morning NATION!!!
May 6th, 2009 at 5:11 am
I think he meant that universaly.
heres the whole thing.
http://www.sports1140.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=3689579
I love how CC stresses fundamentals and also teaching from the staff, especially on the defensive side. and also like the overall picture he has on what needs to be done etc. we have the talent. I like what CC is doing a lot
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May 6th, 2009 at 5:31 am
What’s up fellas . I keep hearing people talk about crabtree’s problems , did they show up in college and he wasn’t excited about meeting the great and legendary eric mangini oh my god what a jerk how dare he not kiss mangini’s rings. If we drafted crabtree everyone would be defending him and kissing his butt. Plain and simple DHB has to be better than crabtree no excuses!
May 6th, 2009 at 5:45 am
Walker has to help DHB out if he’s to be good…we can’t have him in double coverage 24/7
May 6th, 2009 at 6:02 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’SNOMOREFARGAS ,4EVA, ALL OF THE MORNING CROWD.U JUST HAVE TO HOPE J.WALKER IS NOT MORE OF A BAD INFLUANCE THAN GOOD ON ALL OF THE YOUNG RECEIVER’S,THE COACHES NEED TO FIGURE THAT OUT ASAP AND DECIDE HOW TO PROCEED.
May 6th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Back to DHB…
Interesting bit from NFL.COM’s Thomas George last week:
Q: “What was the biggest surprise to you in the draft?.
Thomas George: Among them is that Maclin was available for the Eagles to move up and grab at No. 19.
I have talked to a few teams who were not at all surprised that Darrius Heyward-Bey was the first receiver taken, despite all of the flack the Raiders have received.
Several have told me that he is, indeed, a rare home-run threat that will scare the life out of defenses deep.
That said, Maclin was supposed to be, at least, among the top 15 picks. So, what a grab for the Eagles. I have also been told by high-ranking Giants sources that reports they were trying to move up to get Maclin are totally untrue.
The only receiver the Giants would have moved up to get is Heyward-Bey and that would have happened had he fell to No. 16.”
- Thomas George has been a writer and columnist for the New York Times, Denver Post, Detroit Free Press and is the managing editor of the NFL Network.
May 6th, 2009 at 6:34 am
Brett Favre is like herpes he just wont go away!
FACK!
BRETT take all your 1 Super Bowl trophies and fade into the sunset please!
Fargas is a nice 3rd string back if your other 2 guys have got hurt and your season is in the tank, you have nothing to play for and expect 1 TD from your RB.
Kenny King had hands which Fargas does not I’ll take Kenny King over Fargas any dam day.
May 6th, 2009 at 6:35 am
Morning Nation!!!
Whats good??
Sorry Dakota it’s Lebrons year………
May 6th, 2009 at 6:35 am
My guess is that the NYG were looking for a big play guy to replace Plaxico and open things up for their monster rushing game, they were never the same without him and if they thought DHB could provide the same kind of threat, even if they’re not really the same kind of player, that bodes well for the Raiders and their own 3 headed rushing attack.
May 6th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Hey Marley, nice post on DHB. Such a shame DHB has been red shirted by OaklGlenn for the 2009 season.
Oakglenn Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
My guess is DHB is going to be going the red shirt route this up coming year.
May 6th, 2009 at 6:40 am
bob 242
Good work nice post!!!
DHB is the real deal!!!!1
May 6th, 2009 at 6:46 am
FIRST O.T.A. START’S 2MORROW I BELIEVE..
May 6th, 2009 at 6:47 am
Ralph Vacchiano of the NY Daily news posted the same stuff right before the Drfat:
“Just because the Giants don’t expect to make a trade for Braylon Edwards on Saturday doesn’t mean they won’t make a deal for a receiver. That’s still their intention on Day 1 of the NFL draft.
And their target appears to be Maryland receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey.
According to two sources familiar with the team’s plans, the Giants are looking to trade up in the first round with the hopes of getting into position to draft Heyward-Bey.
The 6-2, 210-pounder is one of the fastest receivers in the draft – he once ran a 4.23 in the 40-yard dash -and the Giants view him as the big-play, deep threat they so desperately need now that Plaxico Burress has been released.”
May 6th, 2009 at 6:47 am
Lets hope that the new kid, Bey and Mitchell have some kind of positive impact this year. I still think Al is an idiot for passing on Monroe and Brace but I will be the first to apologize if his band aid approach to the “O” line and no quality picks for the “D” line gets us to eight wins in 2009.
May 6th, 2009 at 7:06 am
RIP Captain Chaos!
May 6th, 2009 at 7:32 am
What does everyone think of Sulak?
May 6th, 2009 at 7:32 am
good morning Dirt Lot, 4eva, NMF, OAKlifer …
May 6th, 2009 at 7:33 am
good morning centurion, Marley, MRD, Brown …
May 6th, 2009 at 7:39 am
I think Sulak will actually challenge Ricky Brown for the starting OLB job.
Norris will back up Howard.
Alston, Williams, Nixon, Joseph, Condo & Ekejiuba will not be in the mix at linebacker. They will be useful on special teams though …
May 6th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Bob Marley Says:
May 5th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
We need to generate some sort of passing offense to help the run game become more productive and allow the Defense to be more aggressive.
Look at the numbers last year:
- The Raiders ranked 10th in the NFL in rushing yards and carries per game, but they ranked 28th in rushing TD’s and 26th in rushing first downs.
- Despite the aforementioned top 10 running game, the Raiders were last in the league in 3rd down conversion rate (28%) and 28th in Time of Possession.
That means our running game produces a bunch of “meaningless” yards between the 20’s and on 1st and 2nd downs, but when it comes to converting 3rd downs and scoring TD’s (which is when we needed most) we really struggle…and the lack of a passing game is the reason.
How many times did we start a drive with a couple of good runs, picked up a 1st down or two…only to watch the drive stall around midfield because we couldn’t convert a 3rd and 5?.
The Defensive playcalling gets more conservative as you don’t wanna give up big plays that lead to TD’s because you know your Offense can barely manage to score a few points each game, so you start to play with a bend but don’t break kind of approach in hopes of keeping the game close as long as you can.
That’s gonna be the key next year, Tom Cable, Ted Tollner, Paul Hackett and JaMarcus need to develop a decent passing game as the year goes on, hopefully by mid-season we’ve become a balanced offense and we can close the year playing some solid all-around football.
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Good analyses Bob. My thoughts on our passing and 3rd down weaknesses:
> Russell struggles on 3rd down because he was weak at interpreting defensive alignments and did not audible.
> Sure we get a lot of rushing yards on 1st and 2nd downs – kudos to the O-line. But when we get in the red zone or into 3rd and 5+, the D can key on the pass knowing Russell will not recognize the scheme, change the play or hit a hot receiver to counter the defensive attack.
Russell’s inexperience is what is stalling our passing productivity. Thus, Hackett and Tollner are brought in to help the kid recognize defensive sets and audible to better plays. When that happens our 3rd down conversion rate will go up, both with runs and passes.
In the NFL, if your QB cannot audible, long drives become scarce and your TDs will only come from the occasional big play.
May 6th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Sulak? I just hope he isn’t a Sulaker.
May 6th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Look at the numbers last year:
- The Raiders ranked 10th in the NFL in rushing yards and carries per game, but they ranked 28th in rushing TD’s and 26th in rushing first downs.
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Hey, but I though Fargas was da man?
May 6th, 2009 at 7:49 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 6th, 2009 at 7:39 am
I think Sulak will actually challenge Ricky Brown for the starting OLB job.
Norris will back up Howard.
Alston, Williams, Nixon, Joseph, Condo & Ekejiuba will not be in the mix at linebacker. They will be useful on special teams though …
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RRS, how many linebackers do we usually carry? You expect we’ll keep eleven?
Locks = Morrison, Howard, Brown, Ekejiuba, Condo. It seems very unlikely more than one rook will make the team. My guess is it will be a SAM backup, either Sulak or Joseph. Williams should go, and maybe Alston too. Rest = practice squad potential at best, likely kept to help run the 3-4 in scrimmage.
May 6th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Dakota Says:
May 6th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Look at the numbers last year:
- The Raiders ranked 10th in the NFL in rushing yards and carries per game, but they ranked 28th in rushing TD’s and 26th in rushing first downs.
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Hey, but I though Fargas was da man?
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Yesterday someone said Fargas runs with his eyes closed, LOL. Could be true, but how would I know? When he gets the handoff I close my eyes too.
May 6th, 2009 at 8:00 am
M Lonetree, you out there today?
May 6th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Bo,
That wouldn’t surprise me about Fargas. That is even worse than being a cyclops!
May 6th, 2009 at 8:15 am
I feel some one here would rather lose with fargas than win with bush , if fargas is such a harder worker maybe he should quit making albums in the offseason and start working on his hands he might get more than 1 td.
May 6th, 2009 at 8:16 am
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
May 6th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Dakota Says:
May 6th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Look at the numbers last year:
- The Raiders ranked 10th in the NFL in rushing yards and carries per game, but they ranked 28th in rushing TD’s and 26th in rushing first downs.
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Hey, but I though Fargas was da man?
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Yesterday someone said Fargas runs with his eyes closed, LOL. Could be true, but how would I know? When he gets the handoff I close my eyes too.
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Bo you now have my favorite post, you close you’re eyes LOL!
May 6th, 2009 at 8:26 am
Its not that people love Fargas its just that his work ethic and his attitude great and we all hope this influences the young guys on the team.
Fargas is not as talented as Bush or DMac therefore he has to work twice as hard. Some other players should take note.
That’s why we like Fargas and it’s not 100% his fault he didn’t get into the end zone enough. (other factors include blocking, play calling, offensive predictability etc.)
May 6th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Yep, Fargas seems like a good guy, good teammate, hard worker etc…which is all fine and good, but we need to win some games. If all three backs are healthy then he needs to be third string, where he can cheer-lead us to victory.
May 6th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Whats good Double R???
I hope Our Rook LB’s push all those guys like I said yesterday Competion is healthy cable will put the guy who wants it the most on the feild….which is good and bad see the fargas/bush debate. but as far as defense goes its different the guy who wants it most is usally the best fot the job.
May 6th, 2009 at 8:34 am
i hope that new safety mitchell knocks the piss out of fargas in practice so all this will be over !!! love him or not he should only play if there is something wrong with dmac or bush
i do not want to continue losing with fargas just because he has heart.
bush didnt want to play fullback and get stuck there forever and then he proved why against tampa bay
May 6th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Exactly TRIP666
May 6th, 2009 at 8:38 am
NoMoreFargas Says:
May 6th, 2009 at 8:16 am
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
May 6th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Dakota Says:
May 6th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Look at the numbers last year:
- The Raiders ranked 10th in the NFL in rushing yards and carries per game, but they ranked 28th in rushing TD’s and 26th in rushing first downs.
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Hey, but I though Fargas was da man?
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Yesterday someone said Fargas runs with his eyes closed, LOL. Could be true, but how would I know? When he gets the handoff I close my eyes too.
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Bo you now have my favorite post, you close you’re eyes LOL!
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TY, NMF. Fargas will never change his style, but more importantly Russell better learn to open his eyes before the snap. The sooner he learns to read defenses, the sooner we get to 8-8.
May 6th, 2009 at 8:38 am
I mean TRIP6
May 6th, 2009 at 8:42 am
“I hope that new safety mitchell knocks the piss out of fargas in practice so all this will be over !!!
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As much as I like fargas that was funny SH^&T LMAO…Hopefully M&M will strike fear all over that feild and teach guys like DHB how to come across the middle….
Hey Mike if your listening….Please take it easy on our own guys!!! We know you hit like bonds on sterroids…ohh.. I mean a mack truck!!!!! YOUR THE MAN M&M!!!!!!
May 6th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Even Bears’ reports aren’t buying their backtracking from Mitchell:
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David Haugh | On the Bears
May 6, 2009
I know the Bears have gone to great lengths to emphasize that Raiders safety Michael Mitchell misunderstood them. Mitchell told reporters after Oakland picked him at No. 47 that the Bears called to say they were going to take him at No. 49 — which they traded.
Mitchell’s second-round selection was one of the most criticized in the draft, and the Bears’ efforts to clarify suggest they are sensitive to any link to that criticism.
OK, so if I have this straight now, the Bears indeed called Mitchell during the second round Saturday. But only to tell Mitchell to stay by the phone because at some point Sunday, when rounds three through seven resumed more than 12 hours later, the Bears planned to draft the safety.
Maybe it all was one big misunderstanding, but not even the cable guy asks someone to wait around as long as the Bears supposedly asked Mitchell.
May 6th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Yes, Dakota, what’s up?
May 6th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Dakota
I agree I am not one of these lets start Fargas fans. I think he would be a great cheerleader on the bench 3rd string.
I have no problem with that, what I do have a problem with is other guys on the team not working hard and staying in shape during the off season.
I want to know more about the off season conditioning of Russell, Sands, Kelly etc. Also how is OO and his rehab?
May 6th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Guess all the pundits admire trophy wives. They have the measureables one is supposed to love, whether in fact you love someone else you’re supposed to pick the trophy wife because the pundits declare her fabulous. Screw that, and grow some sacks Chicago Bears, choose who you want if you can get it and move on.
May 6th, 2009 at 8:58 am
M,
Yesterday I answered your Dr. Larry Agenbroad question, but after reviewing yesterday’s comments it seems to have disappeared.
Sorry, I guess you will never know the answer.
May 6th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Yep and this is the whole ball of wax:
When Fargas’s number is called he is ready
May 6th, 2009 at 9:22 am
new post
May 6th, 2009 at 10:41 am
I am a huge fan of Justin Fargas but it is very true that he isnt a playmaker, he runs hard and we all love it but TD’s matter in this game, I would be pissed if we traded Bush and kept Fargas, Bush is going to be good and except for the broken leg he has no injury history, Fargas has been injured every year he has played since college.
May 6th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Just for the record Rob Ryan was a terrible DC if these guys can just be descent we probably will be a hell of alot better, i’m thinking they are going to use Huff correctly and thats why he is still here.
May 6th, 2009 at 11:40 am
I listened to the whole interview and one of the things Cable mentioned as well when talking about the criticism was that when you take the guy that everyone thinks you should and it doesn’t work out they dump on you for that as well. Everyone expert and draft nik out there thought Robert Gallery was going to be a sure fire pick. The right pick to be an anchor at left tackle for a decade. Everyone thought that. When he didn’t workout everyone then said the Raiders drafted poorly. When Nnamdi was drafted in the first round everyone said that was a bad reach. No one had him positioned above the 3rd round and now he is considered one of the premiere corners in the game. Was Zach Miller a typical Raider pick on the height, weight speed meter? What about Michael Bush? Half of the picks in the first round turn out to be mediocre players or bust, its nowhere near an exact science. Bey could turn out to be great or a bust but either way lets not pretend that the draft isn’t a gamble for every team.
May 6th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
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May 6th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
I have read a whole lot of input about how the Raiders made a bad choice regarding the draft…Well if you are a true Raider fan like alot of us you can stop the bickering and get on board because this is a new season baby and all the horse droppings you cast is pointless because the choices have been made…I can see good things in our future if we come together and get behind our team….As for the players its time to get down to buisness and have a great ” Training Camp “…Listen to our coaches and give a 110% percent…I’m counting the days and minutes until kick-off…Go Raiders…I hate the chargers and everyone else on our schedule…I’m tired of all that laughter and gang its time to Hit, Tackle & Swarm.
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