What minicamp will (and won’t) tell us
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, May 7th, 2009 at 11:37 am in Oakland Raiders.
Looking forward to actually seeing some players on the field starting Friday, although it’s wise not to attach too much significance to non-contact drills in a contact sport.
So while we won’t get to watch how Darrius Heyward-Bey goes after a high pass with Mike Mitchell waiting to blow him up, the following will be watched with interest:
– How smooth and natural does Heyward-Bey look catching the ball, and will his speed be as breathtaking as advertised? If he has issues with his hands, it could be simply nerves or unfamiliarity with the system, but it would at least be of minor concern.
– How well does Mitchell cover receivers in seven-on-seven sessions when he can’t use the contact which is such a big part of his game? He is supposed to be good enough to even cover a wide receiver in a pinch.
But there’s a big difference between what Mitchell saw in college and what he’ll see this weekend. I remember hearing the same thing about Tyvon Branch last year, and like most rookies, he struggled keeping up in coverage.
– Will Russell be in better shape? Lane Kiffin used to say Russell was always going to be a 270-pounder and there was nothing that could be done to change that. It was his body and his natural weight.
But truth be told, Russell, as least with the Raiders, has not been a well-cut athlete and his body-type looks more like some of the offensive linemen than a quarterback. Athletes “change their body” through nutrition and training all the time.
Russell tends to wear a baggy practice jersey and his shape may not be evident. It’s also worth noting it’s only May and he’s got plenty of time. Or maybe Kiffin is simply right. Russell will look like Russell.
– What happens when Russell overthrows Heyward-Bey? Does the rookie simply accelerate and run under it?
– Does either Mario Henderson or Khalif Barnes take any snaps on the right side, or will both be exclusively left tackles for the five sessions? Ideally, Henderson would play as he did over the last there games of the season and start and Barnes would be rejuvenated with the Raiders. Both would start, but which one is on the left?
– How does Garcia look throwing the medium- and deep-range passes Tom Cable wants as a part of the offense?
– Who appears to be running the Raiders offense? When Cable is going from unit to unit, I assume it will be passing game coordinator Ted Tollner, with Paul Hackett concentrating on fundamentals with Russell and Co. Plays are done off a practice call sheet, but there usually is a voice of authority.
– Is Andrew Walter the fourth quarterback behind Russell, Garcia and Bruce Gradkowski?
– Are the Raiders going to mix in some 3-4 defense, with players such as Slade Norris and Stryker Sulak, who will be stood up as outside linebackers but who rushed the passer in college?
(To be fair, Rob Ryan did some 4-3 in minicamps and training camp, but we didn’t see much of it in the regular season _ mostly because of personnel. The current personnel could change that).
– Will Michael Huff play like someone who is competing for his professional life, and will John Marshall’s system afford him comfortable enough to break on the ball and risk error, while a the same time making some plays?
Huff has been a player who has taken very few chances and the result is he’s often been invisible.
– Is Javon Walker healthy and does he look like he wants to prove he’s not washed up? He’s guaranteed $4.6 million over the next two years whether he does or not.
– Will there be music during warmups?
Music boomed through loudspeakers during warmups since Kiffin arrived, and the practice was continued when Cable took over. The playlists ranged from rap to rock and occasionally country. Now that Cable has the team from the start, does he send a subtle message that it’s his team now?
Cable, by the way, said he was partial to Guns N’ Roses and classic rock.
– Will there be a new fullback on the roster. Rumors of Lorenzo Neal’s arrival have yet to be confirmed. In that regard, we’ll see if Oren O’Neal is ready to take the field or if he’s off to the side working with athletic trainers.
– Will Trevor Scott look any bigger, but still be just as quick? Scott played in the 240s last season, regardless of what the roster said. The first time I saw him out of uniform, I thought he was an outside linebacker or safety and was instantly skeptical.
Wrong, of course. Looked like a great sixth-round pick.
Minicamp will be of little use in determining the following:
– Will the Raiders be any better at stopping the run?
They’ll be working on fitting gaps and being fundamentally sound, but with the rules stating you don’t want players blocked to the ground or any true hitting, you simply can’t tell if they’re getting anywhere. Even training camp can be deceiving because the contact is not finished.
– Will the pass protection be improved?
– Offensive linemen are at a distinct disadvantage when they can’t fire off and take the offensive to change up their tactics. Quicker players such as Derrick Burgess are unblockable during non-contact drills because they’re too quick and linemen can’t wear them down.
– The depth chart. There will be some clues, maybe. But if, say, Matt Shaughnessy is suddenly thrown in with the ones, it may simply be to see how he reacts. Or it could be to motivate someone else on the line who needs it.
I remember Chris Morris working as a first-team center for a time last year. Everyone got a notebook lead or a blog out of it. By the next day, Morris was back with the threes.
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just what exactly IS your job with the raiders 
May 7th, 2009 at 11:42 am
GO RAIDERS !!!!!
May 7th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Why isnt there an extra mini-camp being its a 1st year coach? This is the only time the entire team will be together until training camp.
May 7th, 2009 at 11:46 am
BTW…. Thanks Jerry.
You are the lifeline for the Raider Nation!
May 7th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Raider-405,
That was Cable’s choice. He didn’t want the extra mini-camp. Just more time in the Gym.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
I’m so hungry for football, I’m even excited about a mini-camp!
May 7th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Cable declined the privilage of having an extra mini camp.
May 7th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Can’t wait to see how we look this weekend. It’s only minicamp but the buzz is definately there!! Can you feel it???!!!
May 7th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Thx for the fix Jerry, the Nation needed it.
I can’t talk about Fargas anymore!! lol
May 7th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Any reason as to WHY he would decline? ;|
I see ya mentioned time in the gym but it seems if you only have one full team mini-camp in the off-season compared to having the luxury of two.
Seems odd to me…
May 7th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Agree with 5!
May 7th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Great Work Jerry,
Thank you Sir!!
“The one who figures on victory at headquarters before even doing battle is the one who has the most strategic factors on his side.”
GO COACHES!!!!
M&M great points with the no contact!!
Javon…
Russell!! I think he will be fine hes a big boy!! He’ll learn how to handle that in the NFL.
NO MUSIC!!!!
not to be a NZZZi or anything but with any privlage comes hard work and dedication… how bout no false starts or dropped balls the we get a little G&R over the PA!!! Compermise is always best!!
FREE MIKE HUFF & DIRTY Huff will be fine….BALL HAWK remember he shut down That USC team that was supossed to be the best NCAA team ever!!!
GO NEAL
GO OLINE!!!!!!!
May 7th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
7-9
May 7th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
6-10-Cable fired-and the beat goes on
May 7th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
8-8 WINS THE DIVISION!!!!!!!
hmm..what flavor is this anyways!!
May 7th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
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May 7th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Vols sign football player who had role in rape
Tennessee has signed a prep football star found by a juvenile court to have helped rape a relative.
LOL…..
kiddie kiiffiiee….and the beat goes on….
this punk has no clue
May 7th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
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May 7th, 2009 at 11:23 am
I’m calling it right now..Dakota was a bust on this year’s draft.
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May 7th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
– Will there be music during warmups?
Music boomed through loudspeakers during warmups since Kiffin arrived, and the practice was continued when Cable took over. The playlists ranged from rap to rock and occasionally country. Now that Cable has the team from the start, does he send a subtle message that it’s his team now?
Cable, by the way, said he was partial to Guns N’ Roses and classic rock.
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Covered my fix for the day, guess its rough to be a reporter and post a blog about things we chat about on a daily basis, although what do I know? It don;t matter, will probably be deleted like the rest soon enough.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Dell, Dell, Dell,
I can’t be a bust when I was right, lol, we SHOULD have drafted a tackle and DT in the first two rounds, lol.
I said weeks before the draft that Al was going to pick a WR and a S in the first two rounds and we would be set back for years…guess only time will tell.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Yikes, Dell, throw me another bottle of kool-aid, I am starting to sober up and I need to drown my worries in good thoughts about how much better our pass protection will be with a rookie WR and how much our run-d will improve with a S!!!!
May 7th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
So who had the desire and the juice to be able to pull off playing country music?
I would have to guess Bob Gallery, seems like more of a metal guy but who else? I could just see Jamarcus and McFadden getting down on some Clint Black.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Dell,
#17,
And I’m still LMAO.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Oh Manny, buddy, you are so busted, lol. Are you going to tell the world you hadn’t hit puberty yet and that is why you had to take this drug, or are you going to come clean and admit you were coming off a steroid cycle?
Kiss your HOF chances goodbye.
Hey, I would have done the same thing in your sho3s…SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!
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“A person familiar with the details of the suspension said Ramirez used HCG, human chorionic gonadotropin. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the banned substance wasn’t announced.
HCG is prescribed to stimulate female fertility and testosterone production in men and to treat delayed puberty in boys.
The 36-year-old outfielder apologized to the Dodgers and fans for “this whole situation.”
“Recently, I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was OK to give me,” Ramirez said in a statement issued by the players’ union.
“Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I’ve taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons.”
Baseball added HCG to its list of banned substances last year.
“It’s not infrequently part of the mix of the poly-drug approach to doping,” said Dr. Gary Wadler, chairman of the committee that determines the banned-substances list for the World Anti-Doping Agency. “It typically is used most when people are coming off a cycle to restore to normal biophysiological feedback mechanisms.”
May 7th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Vegas,
Maybe A Walter!!
May 7th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Raider O Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Vegas,
Maybe A Walter!!
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Can’t see him having enough “pull” to get them to do it. Would have to be someone “respected” if you will, because 9 out of 10 guys out there don’t want to listen to country music.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Vegas,
I can’t think of another player, so maybe a coach.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
“Cable, by the way, said he was partial to Guns N’ Roses and classic rock.”
Sweet taste, Tommy.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
O,
Yes maybe a coach…….didn’t think of that.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I’m out Nation, the ocean is calling.
Surf and eat burgers at Rocky’s on mission. OMG, that’s a great day. Some smoke!!! I’m in heaven!!!
If you guys ever visit SD, try Rocky’s. Beer and great Burgers. The best in SD. IMHO
Good day Gents.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Last season during OTAs Kiffin played a continuous loop of Johnny Paycheck singing “Take this job and shove it”
May 7th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Looks like Favre is not coming back. Bummer.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Stress Test Results in 30 minutes….can’t wait!!
May 7th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Maybe it’s Shane Lechler, that is why Terdell punched him on the plane. That would explain why nobody on the team spoke out about it.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Q: Who had the “pull” to have country music played at practice?
A: Robbo.
No wonder the D was confused during games, after hearing Toby Keith singing about, whiskey, beer and horses all day. You would be numb to instruction also.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
“Shane if I have to listen to ‘Achy Breaky Heart’ one more time I am gonna give you an achy breaky face.”
-Terdell Sands, NFL bottom-feeder
May 7th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Dakota
Thanks for the response. Most in here threw out so many draft scenarios, you would be hard pressed to find anyone wrong, but I digress back to your draft status which is still better than most. Until 2010, your on the clock./
I have a tax cheat coming in here, this should be quite a story.
Dakota how did tax season treat you.
I’ll see you later.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
With basically the same line problems as last year left unaddressed, we can expect the same results. Our offensive line will again be weak. We will overpower the some mediocre teams but will get completely dismantled by any contenders. Our passs blocking will be again be awful and Jamrcus will be running for his life on every obvious passing down. Our defense will be atrocious as usual, nothing new there. Kelly and Sands are horrible. Warren was released by Denver, a team with a poor defense. If the Raiders play every hard for Cabel, and I think they will, we will be very lucky to finish 8-8 – tops. Until Al Davis does something about the weak soft lines, on both sides of the ball, we will be bad.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Jerry
Russell was drafted at 260-270lbs, no?
Have you seen any instance last year where his weight or body fat quotient hampered his play, at all?
May 7th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Wasn’t there a point at the end of one game, a blowout we were losing, when Jamarcus was so out of breath after scrambling that we had to call a TO?
May 7th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
If Russell can’t control his weight at age 23 or 24, then he is doomed to eat his way out of the NFL by age 30.
We better win now, lol.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Vegas Raider Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Wasn’t there a point at the end of one game, a blowout we were losing, when Jamarcus was so out of breath after scrambling that we had to call a TO?
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You tell me, I don’t remember such.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
How’s Brady Quinn’s body-fat count relate to his performances on the bench?
May 7th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Someone else might be able to back that up, but other than that you are right KoolKell, his weight didn’t seem to be an issue on Sundays.
May 7th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Jerry – great job, great questions. I can’t wait to see the answers. These are the kinds of posts we need!!!
May 7th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Was Russell better at the end of the year, or at the beginning?
May 7th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
In fairness, Jamarcus looked a lot more “crisp” at the end of the Jets OT game than Favre did.
With all this said, Jamarcus knows he could only benefit from a better conditioning program.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
not being able to control your weight or just get in better shape no matter what your regular weight is in sports shows a lack of commitment outside of the organizational activities(off-season, i think russell should get in better shape than he was last year, if not and he gets better as a qb, so be it, but theirs hundreds of other players trying to get in better shape that are going to try and knock russell’s head off, i think it would serve him well to hit the gym a little more
May 7th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
dakota that was funny
May 7th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
im still laughing
May 7th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Dakota
Why is it always Republican types, who wag their fingers at others regarding character? Especially when the other is a minority type?
May 7th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
?
May 7th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
when i fast forwarded through nfl live and they were talking about manny and his steroids wingo accidentally said it was merriman i know it doesnt really matter i just thought it was funny
May 7th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Raidersince87 Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
im still laughing
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Sooooooooo funny. Hahahaha, Hehehehe, Hahaha, lool lolol lol.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
yeah it is to me
May 7th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Russell has a membership at Winchell’s.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
I hope Cable allows Russell to put on a mini play list wristband this year which would allow Russell more freedom to audiblize or even change the play in the huddle from what is called on the sidelines if he feels confident about a play of his working.
Russell had a play list wristband in college and he made calls in the huddle and audiblized at LSU.
Lets hope Cable allows him to have one this year.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
why couldnt he have one last year that seems kind of stupid
May 7th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Raider O Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
I’m out Nation, the ocean is calling.
Surf and eat burgers at Rocky’s on mission. OMG, that’s a great day. Some smoke!!! I’m in heaven!!!
If you guys ever visit SD, try Rocky’s. Beer and great Burgers. The best in SD. IMHO
Good day Gents.
^^^^^^
Old Rockys huh? I used to go there on weekends when I lived in S.D. My huddy lives right around the block from there.
Good Burgers!
May 7th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Do you ever lighten up KoolKell??
May 7th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
what r u talking about?
May 7th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Don’t worry KK, I’d say the same thing if the kid was a fat white kid.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
raidersince87 Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Dakota
Why is it always Republican types, who wag their fingers at others regarding character? Especially when the other is a minority type?
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this is even funnier
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and its democrats who always seem to find a problem with something even when there clearly isnt one there
May 7th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
If you can’t attack the message, attack the messenger.
If you can’t attack the colored player’s performance, attack his “character, morals, attire, anything else”
May 7th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Dakota Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Oh Manny, buddy, you are so busted, lol. Are you going to tell the world you hadn’t hit puberty yet and that is why you had to take this drug, or are you going to come clean and admit you were coming off a steroid cycle?
Kiss your HOF chances goodbye.
Hey, I would have done the same thing in your sho3s…SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!
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“A person familiar with the details of the suspension said Ramirez used HCG, human chorionic gonadotropin. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the banned substance wasn’t announced.
HCG is prescribed to stimulate female fertility and testosterone production in men and to treat delayed puberty in boys.
The 36-year-old outfielder apologized to the Dodgers and fans for “this whole situation.”
“Recently, I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was OK to give me,” Ramirez said in a statement issued by the players’ union.
“Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now. I do want to say one other thing; I’ve taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons.”
Baseball added HCG to its list of banned substances last year.
“It’s not infrequently part of the mix of the poly-drug approach to doping,” said Dr. Gary Wadler, chairman of the committee that determines the banned-substances list for the World Anti-Doping Agency. “It typically is used most when people are coming off a cycle to restore to normal biophysiological feedback mechanisms.”
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All the cheating juicers and HGH cheaters do this same thing. BaROID did it, Roid Rager Clemens did it and so probably did A Roid!
May 7th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
I’d be all over Jered Lorenzen if he were the number 1 pick and our future hope, lol:
http://constitutionclub.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/lorenzen.gif
May 7th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Jerry,
Can you ask Coach Cable this during mini camp below:
Regarding Russell to put on a mini play list wristband this year which would allow Russell more freedom to audiblize or even change the play in the huddle from what is called on the sidelines if he feels confident about a play of his working.
Russell had a play list wristband in college and he made calls in the huddle and audiblized at LSU.
Lets hope Cable allows him to have one this year.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
DKnight007 it seems kind of stupid that he didnt have one last year
May 7th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
depending on russell’s preparation this off-season and his knowledge of the playbook in mini-camp, 1 would think cable will give him more freedom in the huddle this year
May 7th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Vegas Raider Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Do you ever lighten up KoolKell??
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Maybe I’ll start lightening up at your expense. I’m pretty good at it, ya know.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
I like this 16/16 kid. Your right it seems pretty stupid.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Lol, Jerry has started the Russell is fat rumor…just wait until Mortenson runs with it tonight on Sportscenter!
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Fantasy Football Breaking News
JaMarcus Russell struggling with weight
JaMarcus Russell – QB – OAK – May. 7 – 3:05 pm et
JaMarcus Russell “has not been a well-cut athlete” during his time as a Raider, according to beat writer Jerry McDonald.
It’s well known that Russell’s work ethic has lacked, and McDonald says his body has looked “more like some of the offensive linemen” than a QB. Russell donned a baggy practice jersey at spring minicamps, hiding his shape. The Raiders were optimistic about his dedication this winter, but clearly there’s been no obvious difference in Russell’s conditioning level. May. 7 – 3:05 pm et
Source: Oakland Tribune
May 7th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
No, it’s just amazing how many so-called Raider Fans are calling out Russell.
When Walter was QB, all I heard form those types were excuses.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
You Russell haters are unbelievable. Really. You guys still pining for Jeff Garcia or Rex Grossman?
Gimmie a break with this weight b.s. Like KoolKell said, does it affect his game? Did he not play at 265 – 270 through college? The guy is also 6′6…mot 6′2…and who is qualified to judge what his height/weight ratio should be.
Gimmie a break….The bottom line is half you guys want to go back to a reincarnation of Rich Gannon and that weak WCO…
The Raiders were gave up on Andrew Walter to early too. Now the Raider fan base wants to go veteran again…
Its nice to know that we have so many sports nutritionists on board.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
wow thats crazy did they even read the story practice hasnt even started its said that the media does stuff like that
May 7th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Plus I’ve seen Russell do roll-outs effectively and can get down field very well on the run if he has too.
Plus, the Raiders have a conditioning program that goes year round. Again, I can’t believe that if Tom Cable or Brad Roll asked Russell to get down to whatever weight you “experts” think he should be that Russell would say no.
If his conditioning is not a problem for the coaches…why the hell would you guys speculate on it so much….
May 7th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
I like Jamarcus a lot, and have always stood up for him and his level of play last year.
I just like to poke fun at his weight and “perceived” lack of intelligence.
Any guy that walks into a huddle down 10 points and says, “Chill, we got this” is my type of QB.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
all me and dakota where saying is he could be in better shape, thats it, i love the guy and like i said earlier if he plays well and stays the same, so be it, gannon, walter? what the hell r u guys talking about, man bring sumin up in here and everybody starts questioning your raiderhood, calm down guys
May 7th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
snb gring up another subject then, but, u guys dont think it would serve him better to lose sum weight, and im not talking about 100 lbs
May 7th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Give me a break SnB.
Being concerned about Russell’s future weight gain makes a person a Russell hater?
Your eyes do not deceive, he is heavy now and it may not affect his play yet…but what is going to happen when he turns 28 or 29?
He needs to get it under control sooner rather than later.
One would hope the kid could play into his mid-30s and lead us to the promised land…but he can only do that if he keeps the weight down. Hopefully he comes into OTAs a slim and sleak QB waiting to explode onto the scene…let’s cross our fingers.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
It’s not like people want Jamarcus to be some buffed out guy, just want to see him set a good example by being in great shape for him, whatever weight and shape that is. If he has been working hard, his teammates would notice well before any of us or Jerry did.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Russell should give Daunte Culpepper a call…whatever Daunte is doing is working…dude looked downright skinny at the lions camp.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
“I just like to poke fun at his weight and “perceived” lack of intelligence.”
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All black QB are “percieved” to be less intelligent than white QB’s, no? at least by a certain demographic sector of the population. That perception is called, Racism.
That’s what you ignorant jokesters at other’s expense, don’t understand.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Hey, after Russell tears it up this year, they’ll start measuring QBs butts at the combine.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
hey you wouldnt want russell to have my height weight ratio i think his weight is fine
May 7th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
That’s why “you people” all wanted Brady Quinn.
That should tell you right there how stupid, your ignorant knee jerk perceptions are.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
KoolKell,
I say “perceived” because everyone thinks he is dumb, but nobody has really proven him to be. I didn’t create the perception.
I make fun of all people, and I will make fun of our fat, dumb QB, just like I make fun of our fat, drunk, idiot polish kicker.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
russell has been playing a little overweight since college, dakota said it would serve him well to lose some weight for the future, i agree, to bring in race and say that we want another qb is kinda ridiculous, u guys are reading WAY to much into it
May 7th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Look at Results, not at delusions of your mind.
Sub .500 record over the last 20 yrs, are a result.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
we are in here to discuss and speculate with good reasonable opinions, none of us are experts, lets try and keep it that way
May 7th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
On a lighter note, Miami is going to be “Land Shark Stadium”. Good beer, is that the first football stadium to be named after a brew?
May 7th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
he cant be that dumb because his offense at lsu was complicated
May 7th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
KK is just paranoid, but he is right about a poor record for the past 20 years…
May 7th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
A 77.7 rookie passer rating, under 2 Coaches and 3 play-callers, and Kwame Harris, winning the final 2, are not the results of an leaderless ignoramus.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Russell isn’t dumb, he got a 24 on the wonderlic…he is just not wellspoken…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eK3k-LLnZ7k
May 7th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
I love that hoodie he has on!!! It has a New Mexico soutwestern flavor mixed with some Cross Colours in it.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
i remember that game, that sweater is awesome
May 7th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
That provincial, ethnocentric morality is so, closed and dank.
Reflective of the unread and untraveled.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
dakota u goin overboard with the wellspoken thing, people can talk how ever they want
May 7th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
He’s not well-spoken, shy with media, so what? He will be in a couple of years. But that has nothing to do with Sunday.
May 7th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Here is what I am saying…If there was concrete evidence that Russell had a “weight problem” then fine. Like Sands or Kelly last year being held out of practices because of conditioning issues. That’s fair game. But Russell has not missed a practice or had to be pulled from games or short-armed throws because he was tired or out of shape.
All I am saying is that if Brad Roll and Tom Cable are fine with him then I don’t get all the banter about it.
The weight discussion sounds a little “nit-picky” to me. I want Russell playing at the level that he and his coaches agree to. He’s a big guy, but he runs well.
He weighted in at 265 during the combine. What’s the big deal. He ran a 4′8 40yard dash.
There are more critical issues with the team than this red-herring
May 7th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Russell should give Daunte Culpepper a call…whatever Daunte is doing is working…dude looked downright skinny at the lions camp.
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I don’t want Russ called Daunte for any reason!
Culpepper is done. Matthew Stafford should start on Day 1
May 7th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Dakota Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Russell isn’t dumb, he got a 24 on the wonderlic…he is just not wellspoken…
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Like Brett Favre or Terry Bradshaw….Actually the “well-spoken” issue is unfairly labeled to Southerners to many times because of their accent.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Way to go KK, you bring race into the conversation and now the mod has to delete posts…
May 7th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Vegas educate yourself
http://www.ferris.edu/jimcrow/coon/
May 7th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
If Bush isn’t the starting running back, Cable is an idiot.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
If McFadden doesn’t touch the ball 25 times a game Cable is an idiot.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Dammit, its not fair… you guys get the kool-aid for free, I have to pay for shipping, taxes AND the for the Kool-aid.. just not fair…
LMN hopes for 7 wins! whooooohooooo!
May 7th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
—”(To be fair, Rob Ryan did some 4-3 in minicamps and training camp, but we didn’t see much of it in the regular season _ mostly because of personnel. The current personnel could change that)”—
shouldn’t that say 3-4 ????
May 7th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
The word “FAT” can be a misleading word, describing somone who should look like others. The comparisons to Jamarcus or so far Daunte Culpepper is misleading.
We have not seen the likes of the two Qb’S mentioned, due to our viewing history of the players in those positions. I don’t know, but the average height and weight for most NFL QB’S is probably 6′3″ and around 220lbs, give or take a few inches and lbs.
The body of work has to be built around your frame and size, to lose weight just to look good or please others actually hurts your metabolisim and weight gain will sky rocket on any food binge or stress, with little activity.
My experience is having a sister who constantly fought her weight, she was a big frame woman, and always trying to look petite was never going to happen. The pain and hardship to look good for others can be at times difficult, with mood swings and above anything else many negative feelings.
Some of you guys ned to look at Jamarcus like he is not the proto typical QB, stop bitching about his weight, a 60 yard throw, or a slant for a TD, is just as pretty from a big guy or a small guy.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
My favorite move is Jruss telling cable to get dmac in , well if it was dmac he wanted in then who did he want out fargas so even Jruss don’t trust him.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!
May 7th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I wish huff could lay the wood like Fisher!
May 7th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Stabler and Plunkett weren’t exactly fashion models. They did OK. Donovan McNabb isn’t the skinniest guy playing the positon, either. Neither Byron Leftwich nor Ben Roethlesberger are “well-cut athletes”.
Much ado about nothing, unless of course we’re running the wishbone or the veer offense this year, which I kinda doubt.
Brady Quinn is a “well-cut athlete”. Guy even does commercials for nutritional supplements. It hasn’t seemed to help him beat out Derek Anderson in Cleveland, though.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Afternoon Nation,
KK,SnB,Dakota,16,RRS,Vegas,87
Jamarcus Russell is not fat. Christ.
SnB mentioned nit picky, I think this applies.
I think Vegas mentioned the possiblity of Jamarcus being gassed.
Bill Walsh is quoted as saying that Joe Montanna, during the Super Bowl, while driving the team in the 4th qtr had signaled to the sideline for a time out.
Walsh, not wanting to “waste a time out” later realized that Montanna was hyper ventilating.
The point is Jamarcus is a big dude.
He has a large frame and is heavily muscled.
He’s not a freaking Body Builder.
My question to all that say’s he’s not in shape, and needs to lose weight, is…
At what percent of body fat should he play?
May 7th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Don’t know how much that link educated me KoolKell, but it was an interesting read.
I get where you coming from with the “perception” thing and his intelligence, in relation to race. That’s why I put the word perception in quotes.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
RaiderLen
Good comment #115, thanks for some brevity in this blog.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
If he shows up a little lighter, then it seems he’s more commited, IMO. If he show’s up heavier….then what should we think? Cable called him out, now he needs to deliver.
I’m pulling for JR. I was happy when we took him #1. Now let’s play some football!!!!
May 7th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
If he shows up a little lighter, then it seems he’s more committed, IMO. If he shows up heavier….then what should we think? Cable called him out, now he needs to deliver.
I’m pulling for JR. I was happy when we took him #1. Now let’s play some football!!!!
May 7th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
I think Jamarcus weight is fine as far as playing on Sundays, it never seemed to be an issue last year.
I just think of the positive vibes it would set on Monday-Friday if Russell is leading the pack to work harder, and as of now he is not doing that (according to Tom Cable).
He is young still and I have confidence everything will “click” with him soon.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Afternoon Dell,
How’d the meetings go?
I see We are of like mind regarding Jamarcus.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Like I said, Russell just needs to keep his weight under control now so it doesn’t become a problem in the future…
Just common sense…I know it is lacking in here oftentimes.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Right now, there are a myriad of issues I am concerned about regarding the Oakland Raiders. But Jamarcus Russell is definitely NOT one of them at this point in time.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
RaiderLen
The meetings went well. The tax cheat had some interesting things to say, which I have heard many times before, this guy just had more passion than others.
Regarding Jamarcus, most guys can just hang with others, and avoid any criticisim if you are fat, stupid or have any other physical ailment. To read comments about weight, are like woman who are notoriously caddy talking about other woman.
The day will arrive when he breaks off a tackle, and throws the ball for a touchdown, in a big game, and then the weight issue will go away.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
How is anyone going to know if he shows up lighter? I guess I don’t have that well-trained eye for those sorts of things….
Anyhow, like I have said before and will say again…the coaches dictate the tone and tenor of the team. If Cable and Brad Roll want Russell to lose weight…if they want Trevor Scott to gain weight….I am sure that Cable would have told those guys as much and I believe that those guys would go ahead and do as instructed.
I believe that if Cable goes to Russell or Scott and says…”hey, if you can change your body by a few pounds it will make you a much better player. I need you to commit to that, can you?” I can’t see them saying…naw Coach, I am good right where I am at.
Russell doesn’t seem to be the diva type and I think would take direction pretty well. Seems to have a coachable style and seems to take all the criticism in stride. If Cable and Roll are fine with the conditioning…I can’t see where the fans have the insight to intelligently comment on something as specialized as weight and nutrition.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
i didnt say he was fat i was saying you wouldnt want him at my height weight ratio he would get killed
May 7th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Russell the last 6 games of the season was over 90passer rating.
He’s the undisputed Leader of that offense, with Dmac as his Excutive Officer.
If he picks up, where he left off, the Raiders will be fine.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
18.
Does any “profesional” raider site suck more azz than Raider fans .net?
Constant badgering for you to “upgrade” so you can get exclusive news (which seem to ALWAYS be wrong ie. “Rob Ryan is our new coach! ect.”) plus they immediately ban anyone who dares point out how **** they are.
That is except for their *** lovers who post them same **** over and over and over and over…
You’ve got the blindly positive constantly being blasted by the permanently negative.
Yay. Thats fun for about 0 seconds.
Thank gawd for Jerry and IBA…
May 7th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Dell,
lol. My Dad was a Cop.
He heard all the “same” stories in His line of work.
So indirectly, I can relate.
Jamarcus will be just fine.
I really believe the pieces are in place with respect to both coaching and personell.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Dakota
My comments are not towards you, I knew what you were saying. You are to smart to have any racist comment.
The Cable press conference, has been talked and commented in this blog. Was Cable referring to Jamarcus for his body of work or his time in the classroom. Reading between the lines without exactly knowing makes it so easy to pile on.
What no one has asked Cable, is the direct question, that is, “are you referring to Jamarcus body” and then follow up with the question of “classroom study”. The answers will be more clear and our speculation would just go away.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
There is some young, but very very serious fire power on the Raiders offense.
Lets hope they figure out a way to get DMC the ball in space. Not quite like Reggie Bush or Westbrook, but similar would be very fruitful…
I think M. Bush could have a huge year…
May 7th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
SnB Defense Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
How is anyone going to know if he shows up lighter? I guess I don’t have that well-trained eye for those sorts of things….
Anyhow, like I have said before and will say again…the coaches dictate the tone and tenor of the team. If Cable and Brad Roll want Russell to lose weight…if they want Trevor Scott to gain weight….I am sure that Cable would have told those guys as much and I believe that those guys would go ahead and do as instructed.
I believe that if Cable goes to Russell or Scott and says…”hey, if you can change your body by a few pounds it will make you a much better player. I need you to commit to that, can you?” I can’t see them saying…naw Coach, I am good right where I am at.
Russell doesn’t seem to be the diva type and I think would take direction pretty well. Seems to have a coachable style and seems to take all the criticism in stride. If Cable and Roll are fine with the conditioning…I can’t see where the fans have the insight to intelligently comment on something as specialized as weight and nutrition.
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SnB…100% spot on.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Kudos to the poster who commented on how “MaddenRaider” is rarely online now that registration is in place.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Why oh why didn’t we let Javon retire and give back the money? It is very telling that Cable never mentions this guys name….they have moved on. What a sad story….someone given the chance to make millions of dollars to play a game and he can’t even take advantage.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Nnamdi21 Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
There is some young, but very very serious fire power on the Raiders offense.
Lets hope they figure out a way to get DMC the ball in space. Not quite like Reggie Bush or Westbrook, but similar would be very fruitful…
I think M. Bush could have a huge year…
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Nnamdi21,
I think this is where DHB enters the equation.
By legitimately stretching the field, DMAC should have more space to opperate underneath.
The possiblities are exciting.
I really hope we see heavy doses of Mike Bush this year as well.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
i hope our Offensive Co-ordinator and QB coach are innovative enough to exploit our unique weapons.
May 7th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
It all depends on how well the line plays fella’s! If the group Cable has assembled can gel and play as a unit, this offense has the potential to be very potent.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Kudos to the poster who commented on how “MaddenRaider” is rarely online now that registration is in place
———————
There’s only one MaddenRaider now.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
With even a slighter better line, improved play from our WR position, a second TE, and LESS FARGAS our red-zone offense should be light years ahead of last years version. We were downright awful at times down there.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
“Dude” could be another of his personalities
May 7th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
i hope our Offensive Co-ordinator and QB coach are innovative enough to exploit our unique weapons.
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I can imagine they are salivating about the possibilities.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
and the O-line can buy enough time for plays to develop
May 7th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
vegas raider Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
With even a slighter better line, improved play from our WR position, a second TE, and LESS FARGAS our red-zone offense should be light years ahead of last years version. We were downright awful at times down there.
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Vegas,
Yes. I’d add continuity in the approach from a coaching perspective, and the natural progression of Jamarcus learning the QB position.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
One interesting thing to watch regarding Russell is Bucs R QB Josh Freeman. Being the same QB mold as Culpepper and JRock, it will be interesting how he performs as to the bigger style QBs.
He probably wont play and as much as I love the Raiders, if you blow a home game with a chance to go to the playoffs to the Raiders, you are more than a future QB away.
I wont type up a scenario where Culpepper and Freeman both lead their teams to the playoffs and in OUR division, there is zero reason why we will NOT go at least 7-9 on the season and we are watching Garcia under center after the bye week with another “interum” coach
May 7th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I’m excited for the additions of DHB and Murphy, grouped with the continuing improvement of JLH and Chaz. WR should be a strength of our team for years to come. That’s something good teams do, turns weaknesses’ into strengths.
Now if we can only do that with our D-line.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
my grandpa used to say you dont hate you dislike their ways
May 7th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
i gotta go
May 7th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Ah Yes! The smell of Mini Camp is in the air. Theres nothing like Raider football without losses attached to it.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
vegas raider Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
I’m excited for the additions of DHB and Murphy, grouped with the continuing improvement of JLH and Chaz. WR should be a strength of our team for years to come. That’s something good teams do, turns weaknesses’ into strengths.
Now if we can only do that with our D-line.
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I’m with You on this Vegas.
Lot’s to work with at WR.
I also like the idea of all of these recievers developing along with Jamarcus.
It should make for some good chemistry.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
16yearsold16yearfan Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
DKnight007 it seems kind of stupid that he didnt have one last year
^^^^I was wondering the same thing last year.
Most NFL QB’s have one on their wrists and I would hope and expect for Russell to have one this year and beyond.
Jerry,
Please make sure you ask Coach Cable about this…..i think it is very important for a QB to have one for their own development.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Raider-405 Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
One interesting thing to watch regarding Russell is Bucs R QB Josh Freeman. Being the same QB mold as Culpepper and JRock, it will be interesting how he performs as to the bigger style QBs.
He probably wont play and as much as I love the Raiders, if you blow a home game with a chance to go to the playoffs to the Raiders, you are more than a future QB away.
I wont type up a scenario where Culpepper and Freeman both lead their teams to the playoffs and in OUR division, there is zero reason why we will NOT go at least 7-9 on the season and we are watching Garcia under center after the bye week with another “interum” coach
^^^^^^
Freeman reminds me of Steve McNair….
May 7th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
So tech are you putting leftwich in the same class as stabler,mcnabb,rothlisberger and plunkett cause his name don’t belong in that list of great qb’s.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Mini-camp. Woo-hoo zzzzzzzzzzz
The only thing this’ll tell us is who is healthy for training camp.
The biggest questions – Pass Blocking, Power running (especially red zone) and Run D won’t be answered until week 1.
“Oh DHB caught a pass in his undies after beating a bump-n-run CB not allowed to bump and a S not allowed to hit, and ran for a TD. We’re going to the Super Bowl!”
May 7th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Let’s just hope nothing happens tomorrow to any of our younger guys like what happened in New England today.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
NMF… um, no. Not yet, anyway. My point was that you don’t have to have four per cent body fat to be a good quarterback. Unless you’re a fot slob who can’t get out of his own way it just doesn’t matter that much and I don’t see JaMarcus in that category.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
NMF… I thought you were talking about JaMarcus, sorry. Leftwich wasn’t a great quarterback, but he wasn’t a bad one, either. I’m pretty sure he led the Jags to the playoffs a couple of times. And his weight wasn’t why he wasn’t great, which was my point.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
If memory serves me, Sonny Jurgenson (sp?) and Billy Kilmer of the old George Allen Redskin teams, were not very svelte. And they were both pretty good QB’s
May 7th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
To throw the ball the way he does, off either foot, he must be doing something right.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
The key for the offense is going to be the starting lineup at RB and the health of the RBs.
We have only seen ONE game…ONE…where DMAC was healthy AND getting most of the carries. That game was against the Chiefs.
If DMAC and Bush are the primary ball carriers 90%+ of carries…this offense will be successfull. If Cable keeps his Pop Warner style of putting together the lineup card…then the Raider offense will struggle.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
909… yeah, I was going to mention those guys but I figured someone would tell me that they played a long time ago and the game is different now, or something like that.
Those two looked like Allen pulled them out of a bar someplace because his starter got hurt, but they were good Qbs. Is Jurgensen in the Hall?
May 7th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Dan Marino wasn’t no ballerena either.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
COW…#158
LOL
Sadly, very true though. The first time DHB takes one to the house, either in drills or a scrimmage. All of us Kool-Aid drinkers (myself included) will all have delusions of 19-0, baby!
May 7th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
I wish people would give the kid a little more credit, KoolKell. It was basically his rookie year last year and once we got all the nonsense out of the way I think he played pretty darned well.
The Raiders have way more pressing concerns, in my view.
May 7th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
My source tells me that KoolKell weighs around 285.
May 7th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
DHB caught a TD pass on average for every three catches he made. All while oppostion put 11 men on the field (Chris Carter)…certainly not a track meet. Crabtree caught a TD every 5 catchs…Maclin a TD every 8 catches… All three of them will probably fare pretty well in the NFL, but DHB knows how to find the end zone and he doesn’t have a damaged foot to begin with.
May 7th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
I think its crazy to think something you can type on here can get you into all sorts of crazy legal trouble.
I am sure many of you out there have read/seen the story about the Pittsburgh Penguins fan that wrote on a message board regarding Ovechkin.
crazyee!!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/hockey/nhl/05/07/ovechkin.threat.ap/index.html
May 7th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Raider-405…they are all biased. Some are right, some are left…some, well…they ain’t playing with a full deck.
May 7th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Deep ball,
Expalin to me how you came up with your “every 5 catch” stat.
May 7th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
DIE!…but I didn’t say who…
May 7th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Divide catchs by TDs…you get an average…
May 7th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
It doesn’t mean that he’ll do that in the pros, but it’s a nice thought…don’t ya think since we scored so many last year…
May 7th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Rice, Branch, Biletnikoff, over the course of their career where very much in the same range…a TD for every 7 catchs.
May 7th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
oh dude is back with his pessimistic attitude
May 7th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
HEYWARD-BEY On T.V. tonight !!!
Cal at MARYLAND…
ESPN Classics – 6PM pacific standard time
May 7th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
im already recording it on dvr i really want to see how he plays
May 7th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
well not right now but its set to record
May 7th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Oh, I was looking at his career td to catch ratio.
May 7th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
#127 what a classic. LMAO Save it for a Chargers fan though…
May 7th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
“Hey guys dont cha think 16yearsold16yearfan is a douche? Come on guys, dont cha think?” LOL!!!!
May 7th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Just wondering, how many well-cut QB’s are there in the NFL?
Does it even matter?
Isn’t it much more important that Russell’s game is raised to another level.
Why would a beat writer EVEN care if the QB is well-cut?
Big Ben Rothlesberger goes at about 255 at 6′5″ I wonder how well-cut is he.
May 7th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Payton Manning looks cut!!!
lol
May 7th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
I was watching the Cal Maryland game. And man I thought I was watching Woody Hayes and Ohio St. what a boring offense fom Friedgen who’s an offensive guru.
No wonder the kid caught so few passes from the 2nd qtr on I saw Maryland throw what 4 passes. That is some oldschool football to be sure.
May 7th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
The Snake was in great shape!! He only drank Beer and smoked at half-time!!
May 7th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Did you see any drops, or any of that other crap people like to say, honestly?
May 7th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
14 times!!
Forget my question, if that was the only game you have watched. lol
May 7th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
– How well does Mitchell cover receivers in seven-on-seven sessions when he can’t use the contact which is such a big part of his game? He is supposed to be good enough to even cover a wide receiver in a pinch.
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According to who?
May 7th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Priest… I remember watching some footage of the Steelers last year and Roethlesberger was on the field in a t-shirt throwing the ball around.
I was thinking it, but my daughter said it… “Wow, dad. He doesn’t even look like he’s in shape. He’s kinda fat and soft-looking. He’s even got a belly!”
We all know how his season turned out.
May 7th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Sorry, 4 times.
I watched that game, and I can’t remember a single drop. He had 2 great catches!!
May 7th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Riader O, that was the strangest thing, why would Jerry care about Russell being well-cut? he plays QB!!
Sometimes I swear he can’t help but focus on periferal issues. I couldn’t careless what Russell wieghs as long as he plays well.
6′6″ 270 to hnest with you for a black man is not fat it’s just big. Matt Shaugnessey is 6′5″ 270 and he’s regarded as shinny well Russell is an inch taller and he’s considered fat.
As long as Russell stays under 285 I couldn’t care any bigger than that I MIGHT get concerned.
May 7th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
I obviously meant skinny sorry.
May 7th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
WHY U BUMS WORRIED BOUT J.RUSS`S WEIGHT. LOOK IN DA MIRROR LAZY DUDES . DAT BEER BELLY AINT CUTE .
May 7th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
I DO 300 PUSH UPS , 200 SIT UPS , AND 100 CALF RAISES A DAY .. GET MOTIVATED , I SHOULD PLAY 4 RAIDERS .
May 7th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
ET, thanks for that because I saw him in a t-shirt to when he got injured the had his pads off and he looked bad. But as I was saying THAT is the very least olf my worries with Russell. And for the beat writer to be focused on it seems very strang.
May 7th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
BHP,
You, me, and others like KK know why there is much talk about JR!!
Dude, I don’t care if he was 300 as long asge does his job!! He is a QB. His job is to lead the team, read Defenses, and throw the Ball. Just cause be is Black, it doesn’t mean he is M Vick!!
The was really a rookie last year, it was his 1st season.
12 or 13 TDs, 8 INTs, and over 55% CMP!!!! What more do you want of a rookie QB!!!!
Did Manning do so well his rookie year??
You know!!!
May 7th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
WHEN I GO TO RAIDER GAMES HERE ON THE EAST COAST I TAKE OFF MY SHIRT AND REVEL MY HUGE CHEST RAIDER TATOO.. AND THE HATERS CANT HELP BUT STARE …
May 7th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Sorry about the spelling, but I got too excited!! lol
May 7th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
WE BETTER HOPE HE ISNT MICAHEL VICK . CUS .. VICK JUST PLAIN SUCKS …
May 7th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Raiders O, Kenny’s work outs consisted of lifting as many beers and women as possible.
May 7th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Doriangray,
Boy, you craaazy!! lol
May 7th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
I heard a few players on TV say, he used to drink at half- time!!
Now, the Tooz was Drunk at half- time!! lol
May 7th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Dorian,
Bro,
I’m glad you are part of the Nation, and not against us. lol
May 7th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Raider O, it’s just a sad commentary on where we still are as a country. That kid played as well as can possibly be expected under the circumstances. But the media and certain people will not cut him any slack.
But that’s fine and I feel strongly that NONE of this is lost on Cable, thus the total focus on getting Russell to understand what it takes to beat it.
Not to mention the great teachers he brought in to help him.
May 7th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
I LOVE MY RAIDER FAM RAIDER0
May 7th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
IM SICK OF ESPN . IVE ACTUALLY MET PEOPLE WHO ASK ME , WHENS DA LAST TIME THE RAIDERS WERE GOOD ? LIKE 1982 OR SUMTIN ? LIKE WE HAVENT BEEN TO 3 AFC CHAMPIONSHIPS THIS DECADE /// ALL ABOUT BIAS PERCEPTION
May 7th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
BHP,
I forgot abut those special ” circumstances”!!
It’s sad!! People were talking crap about him for taking 10 days to spend with his sick mom!!
You and mecabt do or say anything that will change their opinions.
Even if JR plays great, there will always be something else. Like his weight. lol
May 7th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
I SWEAR TO GOD , IF I EVER MEET TOM JACKSON OR DAT OTHER DUDE ,STINK , ITS GONNA BE SOMETHING .
May 7th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Doriangray, soon there words will ring empty. When we start winning what can they say then?
May 7th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Dorian,
I wish you would meet Kiffin and C Carter!! I’ll pay to watch that!! LMAO
Kiifin is running and screaming, and you are beating Carter into a Coma. Still LMAO
May 7th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
HEYWARD-BEY pick not that crazy…
Not sure if this was posted…Something positive…
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/05/02/heyward-bey-pick-not-that-crazy/
May 7th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
My take on what I’ve seen of DHB, he will have his struggles as every rookie does. Dropped balls, wrong routes and missed assignments.
And then he will make some unbelieveable plays and I see him taking some short stuff over the middle and turning it into huge plays. At the end of the day barring major injuries he’ll have 40 – 50 snags 5 – 8 TD’s and somehwere around 750 -850 yards recieving and a 100+ yards in rushing on end arounds and such.
Not great not bad but something to biuld on. Now if those are his stats 3 years from now. It’ll be disappointing. My guess his career will sort of parallel Tim Browns. He’s more physically gifted than Tim and I would like to see stats along the lines of Randy Moss but that’s unlikely but if he does then WOW!
Randy Moss caught 17 TD’s his rookie year something Tim Brown never approached but Tim never played with a QB nearly as gifted as Russell which could make all the difference.
If Russell and DHB become close to what their potential says, this offense could rival some of the great offenses of all times. That combo could become the best we’ve ever had in time.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
But don’t forget Russell has this wieght problem that could undo any of that. lol
he’s 10 lbs. over wieght……….shoot him.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
BHP,
LMAO
May 7th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Correct me if I’m wrong but Linemen can play Football, and they are about 280+!!
May 7th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Randy Moss caught 17 TD’s his rookie year something Tim Brown never approached but Tim never played with a QB nearly as gifted as Russell which could make all the difference.
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Whoa, wait a minute….Jeff Hosttetlers mustache was very gifted.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Mitchell remembers the hit but said it wasn’t one of the three “knockouts” he referred to on his first conference call with Bay Area reporters.
“When I say ‘knockout,’ I mean they literally
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had to break the salt out on him,” Mitchell said.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
I wanna see a safety blitz from Mitchell where he knocks the living sh|t out of Philip Rivers.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
My thoughts on JR:
Played 3 years at LSU, and started over 2 seasons there.
He finished close to 70% CMP!!!
As a 1st year starter for the Oakland Raiders, he finished with 12 TDs, 8 INTs, and over 55% CMP.
JR was A JR when he came out of college, had his holdout, and the Kittin thing!!
He needs time to develop.
JR is the Best Talent I’ve seen at QB since Payton Manning. IMHO
I can’t think of a single QB that came out the last 10-15 years, that had more talent than JR. Maybe Elway, but that was 20 yrs ago.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Brett Favre took a piss on the Vikings I hope the media gets off Favre for good I cant stand the hillbilly INT machine that is Brett Favre.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
buttholeprick
just what exactly IS your job with the raiders 
May 7th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
I’m not saying JR is better than Manning or any other QB, but I’m saying he is the Best Talent.
Cannon for an Arm.
6′6 270+
Quick feet, and can run IF HE HAS TO.
Can make all the throws of his back foot!!
May 7th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
# Raider O Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
I’m not saying JR is better than Manning or any other QB, but I’m saying he is the Best Talent.
Cannon for an Arm.
6′6 270+
Quick feet, and can run IF HE HAS TO.
Can make all the throws of his back foot!!
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But can’t hit a moving target to save his life.
May 7th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
I liked C Johnson a lot, but Talent like JR’s doesn’t come by that often. Last time I saw so much talent was Elway. He can run and throw, too bad he played for Denver.
I want to like him but I can’t!!
May 7th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Crow,
I thought that improved towards the end of last season. He finished the season over 55% CMP. He also was clost to 70% cmp at LSU.
You know!!
May 7th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Close to 70…, sorry.
May 8th, 2009 at 12:01 am
IM WATCHING .S.DARKO. ITS CREEPIN ME OUT .
May 8th, 2009 at 12:29 am
For all you bluesy rockers out there , the man’s name is WARREN HAYNES, not Warren Hays or whatever.Good player ,never stops working.To see him & Derek Trucks is always a joy.Remember , WARREN HAYNES!
May 8th, 2009 at 1:13 am
I just finiahed watching the Maryland Cal game. I finally saw what I needed to see of DHB . I think the comparisons to Randy Moss were appropriate. His size and athleticism ar very reminiscent of Randy. The can’t catch thing ‘forget about it’ while he may drop some early he has a chance to have exceptional hands he just needs more reps. They can be attributed to his still learning the position IMO.
Marylands 1st 4 possesions not one pass to DHB. He was usedd essentially as a decoy in that offense. To clear out so they could run the football. The passing game was a bunch of TE screens and short passes IMO because the lack quality QB play. The Qb’s were terrible.
One play they threw a post pattern to DHB and if you know the Cal team. Their best cover guy is Syd’Quan Thompson< DHB went by him so fast if the ball had been thrown early it wuyld have been an easy6. Which leads to my other point. Many here think that throwing to DHB will require a lot of time. Not the case if you hold the ball longer than 2.5 seconmds you will under throw this kid. I was shocked how fast he ate up the cushion by Syd’Quan and ran right past him. It was incomplete but to wacth that told me all I needed to know. One false step with this kid and it’s over. These cover 2 defense will be hopeless in stopping this combo of Russell and DHB. Russell’s arm is too strong and DHB is too fast. The Maryland offense was pathetic…….the talant the Raiders have on offense is light years ahead of it.
I will be somewhat disappointed if DHB isn’t in the top 2 or 3 players for rookie of the year. This going to be the most lethal passing game in the NFL in the next 2 years because of Russell and DHB. Each will make the other a better player.
May 8th, 2009 at 1:24 am
BTW they threw a grand total of 3 passes to DHB. NONE accurately the catch for the TD was just a great grab. I all honesty how he got what he did in that offense is impressive. Their passing was absolutely pathetic. Cal’s passing game was average at best and they looked like the NE Pat’s in comparison.
I’m telling you the sky is the limit for DHB and Russell.
May 8th, 2009 at 1:42 am
Thanks Jerry. You’ve got me really looking forward to your report on the minicamp today!
GO RAIDERS!
May 8th, 2009 at 4:04 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 4:06 am
Sign Harrison or Toomer!
May 8th, 2009 at 4:14 am
Yeah, sign 2 more WRs to go with our ten others, & we STILL can’t stop the run!!
Mornin’ 4eva.
May 8th, 2009 at 4:19 am
I agree TW,there is NO room 4 anymore WR”s,imo.I think we already got more weapons on the team than has EVER been assembled on ant team
May 8th, 2009 at 4:20 am
anY
May 8th, 2009 at 4:22 am
HA 420
May 8th, 2009 at 4:28 am
wake & bake. lol
May 8th, 2009 at 4:38 am
4eva, you live around the bay area? Going to training camp, or you up early because you’re on the other side of the country/world?
I have to be here at work early, 4am, that’s why I’m up before the trolls! lol
May 8th, 2009 at 4:45 am
I live in florida,but am always up early
May 8th, 2009 at 4:48 am
Wish I could go to camp.I used to live in LA area but moved here 18yrs ago.Used 2 go 2 the games in LA.Dont know if you ever heard of La-Canada-Flintridge area,it’s about 90 miles NE of LA.Yearning 2 come back tho
May 8th, 2009 at 4:50 am
La-Canada is pronounced La Can-Ya-DA
crazy huh?!?!?!
May 8th, 2009 at 4:55 am
Do trolls sleep???
Where is Happy Troll???
May 8th, 2009 at 5:03 am
Only under bridges, probably with a bottle of Jack. Is the Raiders camp even open to the public today? I’m in Denver so I’ve never had the pleasure of the extras when comes to being a fan. My brother lives in Laguna Nigel.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:05 am
Me and the ex rented out a really nice house 4 the summer 1 year.It was in Laguna Nigel,at the top of Blackbird Canyon Dr.Talk about Heaven!!! Your brother is soo lucky
May 8th, 2009 at 5:07 am
Denver is a bautifull place 2.Must be a rough place 4 a Raider!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 5:13 am
Not as bad as it used to be when I moved here in ‘79. Now there are so many people from other states & fandoms that you can go to any bar sundays & there are seperate factions of team’s fans EVERYWHERE. but still, if you’re a Raider you might be accosted by anyone if you’re wearing a jersey. But I grew up in Texas with THOSE fans, hahaha.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:16 am
I do like unexpected blizzards on Monday Night Football =)
May 8th, 2009 at 5:23 am
Hell, it snowed last weekend here, but it looks like that’s over now.
May 8th, 2009 at 5:31 am
Happy start of mini-camp.
After this weekend is when it seems the LONGEST for training camp or anything to get here
Those LONG summer days…
May 8th, 2009 at 5:56 am
GOOD MORNONG SPORT’S FAN’S, 4EVA,RAIDER-TW , THE ENTIRE RAIDER NATION. JUST GET EVERYONE SIGHN’D AND KEEP THEM HEALTHY…
May 8th, 2009 at 6:11 am
Mornin’ Dirt, yeah, let’s get the 60yd TD passes to DHB started.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:14 am
STRENGTH AND CONDITIONONG STARTS NOW YOU DOGS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 6:18 am
the strength of Russell’s arm & the conditioning of DHB running under the overthrown pass!
May 8th, 2009 at 6:19 am
SOMEONE IN HERE RECOMMENDED “BOMB-BAY” THE OTHER DAY,SOUNDS O.K.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:27 am
Bomb the KC Queefs!
May 8th, 2009 at 6:29 am
Morning Naton!!!
BEY-AREA will be just fine!!!!!
“Making no mistakes is what establishes the certainty of victory, for it means conquering an enemy that is already defeated.”
IT ALL STARTS TO DAY!!!!! No contact means no dropped balls!!! No false starts!!! DHB getting past M&M on a post route and Mike telling him wait till camp starts I’ll Light ya up…… Russell looking sharp out of the gates nothing should hit the ground!!!
I AM STOKED!!!!! mmmmm koolaid!!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 6:36 am
What’s up fellas!
May 8th, 2009 at 6:38 am
RaiderTW, I went to the old Mile High back in the ’80s to see the Raiders play the Broncos in the first game of the regular season. It was the first year Elway and co. went to the Superbowl, only to get stomped, by the ‘Niners I believe. Marc Wilson was our QB(Ouch!) but it was a great back and forth game, with Elway unfortunately pulling it out in the end.
The players who really stood out as being on a different level were Marcus Allen, Howie Long, and Elway. Howie was double and even triple-teamed every play and still managed to force a safety. The man was like an enraged bull. It was also entertaining to watch Lester Hayes deck Vance Johnson on an out route, then proceed to reach into his facemask and gouge at his eyes. No penalty for bad old Lester either. The locals were screaming!
I proudly wore my Raiders jersey and cap to the game and didn’t have any trouble at all. The group of Broncos season ticket holders I sat with were even plying me full of liquor and food. Great people. If the Broncs were up they’d give me the gears and vice-versa when we were ahead. All good-natured for sure!
Next season I’ll be making my first pilgrimage to the Coliseum. Can’t wait!
May 8th, 2009 at 6:38 am
MORNING OAKLIFER, MAYBE A JAW OR 2 WILL HIT THE GROUND AFTER PEOPLE SEE WHAT THESE GUY’S CAN DO AFTER WORKING TOGETHER AND GETTING SOME TIMING . PASS THE KOOLAID PLEASE..
May 8th, 2009 at 6:38 am
Its finally “ere” NMF!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 6:47 am
CanuckRaider, yeah, i remember that but the 1st SB Denver lost (w/Elwood) was Washington. The game you’re talking about I saw at a Donkey bar & they showed Lester trying to rip Vance’s eye out & they ribbed me about how dirty the Raiders were. THEN they show the play that happened before with Vance chop blocking Lester, outright going for his knees!!! Thay backed off when I said “Wouldn’t you try to poke Vance’s eye out for that!!!????” Silence.
I also liked how Howie would enable Greg Townsend to sack Elwood because HL was triple teamed.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:54 am
Hopefully you folks are right about DHB. Only time will tell. At least he’s a burner with size, unlike Hester, Whitted, Jett, etc.
Get ready for hybrid and 3-4 sets on defense if Norris and Sulak pan out. Scott might be ideal as an OLB in this scheme as well. Sands is more of a space-eating NT type anyway, and we have adequate depth to keep him fresh. Kelly could be a great end in a 3-4, and Richardson and Gunnheim should be okay here as well. Maybe one more big DE in FA for depth.This is the only scenario that justifies drafting two stand-up type pass rushers while our run “D” is our biggest weakness.
May 8th, 2009 at 6:55 am
Thats Right D-L F,
We have alot of work along that o-line but as soon as Russell& Co. get on the same page….SCARY I mean you have DHB spread out Higgins/Schilens on the other side, Javon “vegas” Walker/Murphy in the slot…Mcfadd out of the back field up the side line…..Miller Releasing in the seam on the delay route….Neal/OO sneaking out of the back feild in to the flat…”did I say Neal”….. Russell three step drop pump fake!!!!!
TD RRRRAAAAIIIIIDDDDUUUUUHHHHSSSS!!!!!
KOOLAID!!!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 6:59 am
You think ths was our biggest concern after we snapped up all the O-line men in FA…I mean WOW 12 WR’s lets see every ones SIX who stay’s and who goes?????
Drew Carter
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Johnnie Lee Higgins
Jonathan Holland
Ashley Lelie
Nick Miller
Louis Murphy
Chaz Schilens
Arman Shields
Javon Walker
Todd Watkins
Shawn Bayes
May 8th, 2009 at 7:00 am
DT John Thornton as a stopgag for a year or two would be a decent pickup, as a situational player he could push Sands or more likely William Joseph out of the roster, he’s older (32) but it’s not like Sands and Joseph are young guys (29).
Thornton is limited but he plays the run and the Bengals had a better run D than we did with Thornton playing on 1st and 2nd downs at DT and later in the year moving to DE.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:01 am
RaiderTW, I guess I missed that earlier play. Serves VJ right for messing with the Molester. What was he thinking on that one?
Thanks for the correction re: the ‘Skins. One’s memory can play tricks as one gets older.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:10 am
“The Oakland Tribune has a nice breakdown of what to look for during Oakland’s minicamp this weekend.”
Posted by ESPN.com’s Bill Williamson
Nice….
Now OAKT is doin thier job too!!!!!
Gotta love the “experts”!!!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 7:10 am
Ashley Lelie unlikely to sign with Steelers
Ashley Lelie – WR – OAK – May. 5 – 2:59 pm et
Beat writer Ed Bouchette believes that the Steelers’ pre-draft visit with free agent Ashley Lelie was only a “look-see.”
Lelie could challenge current third wideout Limas Sweed, but Bouchette doesn’t see him getting signed. For some reason Lelie is still listed as a Raider by the slow-to-act folks at Raiders.com. He’s actually a free agent. May. 5 – 2:59 pm et
Source: Pittsbrugh Post-Gazette
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And then there were 11.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Oh yeah RaiderTW, forgot to mention – While in Denver, we stayed in a lovely $10.00 a night dive on Colfax, right in the heart of the battle-zone. Biker bar right across the street (Yes, we did down a couple of cold ones there), and a couple of sex-shops on the block (Didn’t frequent those). Being lulled to sleep by rattling plumbing and frequent sirens outside was great as well. Guess we were younger, braver, and lower on cash back then. Still a great time though.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:15 am
I mean WOW 12 WR’s lets see every ones SIX who stay’s and who goes?????
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DHB, Walker, Higgins, Schilens, Shields & Murphy … providing Walker & Shields are healthy and they don’t start out on the PUP list, get placed on IR or receive an injury settlement
May 8th, 2009 at 7:16 am
Wow, even the locals don’t hang out there at night. But the bikers were probably Raider fans if they cared about football at all.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:17 am
good morning Dirt Lot, OAKlifer, TW, Bob Marley …
May 8th, 2009 at 7:17 am
RR, I wanna see Al tell Mitchell to put Walker on the IR the first practice, “just to see what we got in a safety” lol
May 8th, 2009 at 7:18 am
good morning 4eva, 405, NMF, Canuck …
May 8th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Good Work TW,
I think Carter is gone as well…then there where 10…
Here’s my 6
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Johnnie Lee Higgins
Louis Murphy
Chaz Schilens
Arman Shields
Javon Walker
Everybody else welcome to the practice squad…Watch for the new kid ..thinkn his name is MIKE he wilol knock the pi$$$$ out of you….just sayin
May 8th, 2009 at 7:20 am
I wanna see Al tell Mitchell to put Walker on the IR the first practice
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I’m pretty sure guys like Darrick Brown, Hiram Eugene, John Bowie & Jason Horton could hit Walker and put him on IR!
He’s fragile like Fargas …
May 8th, 2009 at 7:21 am
Morning Rockstar =)
WHOOOOOOOOOOOO
HOOOOOOOOOOOOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 7:22 am
Mornin Double R,
providing Walker & Shields are healthy and they don’t start out on the PUP list, get placed on IR or receive an injury settlement
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in this case and Toomer to that list and promote either Holland/Bayes
May 8th, 2009 at 7:27 am
The bikers were cool, with one kind of hostile exception. One of his bigger “brothers” was keeping him under control though. Made for a bit of tension, but I’ve never been one to turn tail and run. We enjoyed a couple of leisurely beers, then headed off to other doings. Hell, where I live it’s not the bikers you have to worry about, but the street gangs. These wackos are capable of anything.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:28 am
I wish there were contact drills this weekend.
I’d like to see newbies like Norris, Sulak, Nixon, Joseph, Bryant and Shaughnessy tee off on Andrew Walter.
Then watch Cable post a sign in his locker that says “I should have went to QB school. I never knew what was coming”
May 8th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Morning RaiderRockstar. Mitchell knocking JV’s lights out could be the best thing to happen to the team. Maybe we should pass the hat?
May 8th, 2009 at 7:32 am
OAKlifer: if Walker or Shields don’t make the cut or get injured I say we only keep 5 WR’s on the roster. If both of them are non factors for whatever reason, give Holland a shot.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:36 am
I can’t believe that their are no player interviews. These reporters have no game. Is the front gate the only spot? No one was at the airport yesterday to meet some players? The local Chili’s that even people on this board know about? The BBQ joint across the street from the stadium?
Very disappointing!
May 8th, 2009 at 7:38 am
I was thinking we keep only 5
If 6 Holland or Watkins,may the best man win
May 8th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Other than that …
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeeee – Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Top of the morning folks.
Huff starts at S. Burgess will play on 3rd downs. Too many LBs to not see the 3-4 mixed in.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Jhill: If I were a reporter I’d have a scale on the ground for Russell to step on while he’s getting out of the limo in Alameda
300+ my foot
May 8th, 2009 at 7:41 am
DHB, Murphy, JLH, Schillens – locks
Walker, Shields – very likely
The rest – need not apply. There will not be a 6th WR from the Watkins, Holland, etc crowd. Their time here is done.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:42 am
“I should have went to QB school. I never knew what was coming”
CLASSIC!!!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 7:43 am
yep something definatly cooking with all these DE-OLB tweeners
May 8th, 2009 at 7:44 am
but as last year speed is our strength on D
May 8th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Raiders first practice at 10:30 a.m today.
we should know something in 3 hours via David White’s all-Raiders Twitter account
https://twitter.com/bydavidwhite
May 8th, 2009 at 7:45 am
I really don’t care if JRuss is 320 ….
Until I see the weight get in the way of his play on the field, it’s not an issue for me. We don’t ask him to do anything but hand it off, and chuck it.
Talk to me about his footwork, and understanding of Cable’s offense. Who care’s if they are having donuts while they study film?
Non issue for me.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:47 am
so what’s with this twitter craze?
May 8th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Al Davis cares more about speed than size.
That’s why all of our LB’s seem undersized and rocket fast
none of them are super strong.
they constantly get outmuscled by bigger lineman, TE’s or FB’s. our LB’s can’t shed these bigger blockers. they don’t have the frame for it
May 8th, 2009 at 7:49 am
I think twitter is a way for stalkers to find their prey.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Yeah RR, Walter is another candidate for the hit-list. Even though he had to deal with the Art Shell/Tom Walsh fiasco, this guy showed his true colors by hanging his head and pouting, instead of gutting it out. Remember how Trent Edwards got the living daylights knocked out of him at Stanford? No WRs or o-line but he kept his mouth shut and kept coming back for more whenever he could physically step on the field. I actually wanted the Raiders to draft CJ in the first and Edwards next. Barring injury, Walter will be gone by the opener. Perhaps he’ll end up starting across the Bay…HeeHee
May 8th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Twocents Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Hey, after Russell tears it up this year, they’ll start measuring QBs butts at the combine.
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Hilarious.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:50 am
so what’s with this twitter craze?
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no clue. I’m not into it personally. not my thing
May 8th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Walter will be gone by the opener. Perhaps he’ll end up starting across the Bay…HeeHee
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We should trade Andrew Walter to the 49ers for Barry Sims. that would be hilarious!
May 8th, 2009 at 7:55 am
In a letter to JMac a few days ago, I brought up the 3-4 theory. As stated earlier, it’s the only way to make sense of those picks. If we bring in another big DE in FA, I’ll be convinced.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:56 am
I don’t think we are going to run a base 3-4 …
I do think/hope that we will see different looks (what a concept Robo) on defense this year. Same with the offense.
May 8th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Rockstar,Norris,Shaunessy&Sulak wrer high motor guys that have excellent stats comming out.I dont think their weight will be an issue.Lots of sacks,lots of forced fumbles,very busy guys,imo
May 8th, 2009 at 8:00 am
“All he’s ever wanted to do is play in the NFL. It’s interesting because he’s a really nice guy, religious, the kind of guy you’d want baby-sitting your children or helping your grandmother across the street,” Mueller said. “But he is just a vicious football player.”
This is why the Raiders took a chance on Mitchell in the 2nd round, right here. High character guy, but a nasty football-player on the field. If we had 53 guys just like this we could be competing for a Lombardi every season.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Good chance you’re right, Jhill. Switching to a base 3-4 could be too sudden for the players to adapt to this year. My money says frequent hybrid looks this year with a possible switch next season.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:10 am
I don’t think we would switch full-time to a 34 under Marshall. In Seattle he used the occasional 34 look to rush the passer in obvious passing situations. I expect to see exactly that next year and every year after that Marshall is here.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:10 am
we shouldn’t make any drastic changes to the defense this year. It’ll be a big enough challenge for the front seven going from a staff of Ryan, Millard & Martindale to Marshall, Board & Haluchek. These guys are going to have to relearn the fundamentals. tackling & gap discipline. Whoever proves to be the best run stuffers of the group should make the team, no matter how much money they make or how long they’ve been here. we have pass rushers galore. it’s time to stop getting trampled. no more 150+ yard games from LJ, LT & now Moreno in denver
the new defensive staff should be all about accountability. If a guy messes up, sit his butt on the bench … I don’t care if it’s Nnamdi! Can’t be slapping guys on the butt for missed tackles and blown coverage. It’s not ok! fix the problem! no more scholarships on D either …
May 8th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Michael Mitchell…don’t kill McFadden or any of the young WRs…but lay the wood on Fargas, Walker or Walter…I know there is a no contact rule, so you will have to make it look like an accident.
You need to make an impression on the coaches right now, so blow up one of those guys and grab the starting SS spot.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:19 am
BART,
You seem to have a vast knowledge of John Marshall. I was curious about your “occasionally switched to 3/4 d on obvious pass downs” statement. Who were the personell he went to on these obvious passing downs?
May 8th, 2009 at 8:19 am
What would our 3-4 defense look like?
Kelly, Shaughnessy, Joseph, Bryant & Richardson are capable of playing DE in a 3-4 defense. Des Bryant & William Joseph are long shots to make the team though. Maybe Ryan Boschetti?
who would play NT? Sands or Warren? yikes!
LB would be nuts though!
Morrison and one of Brown, Sulak or Frantz Joseph in the middle.
Howard and one of Brown, Norris or Sulak on the outside. Maybe even Trevor Scott & Derrick Burgess?
May 8th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Dakota,
You seem REALLY confident in the ability of McFadden and Bush to carry the running game, which happens to be the most important part of the Raider team. Curious as to how you came up with that decision.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:23 am
The Raiders dont have the personell at LB to run the 4-3 let alone a 3-4. Howard is good, Morrison is decent, the rest are fringe guys at best.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:28 am
The Raiders dont have the personell at LB to run the 4-3 let alone a 3-4.
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the Raiders don’t have the personell at DL to run the 3-4 defense imo. our DT’s played like garbage under Rob Ryan in a 4-3 defense. Warren or Sands alone in the middle = runs up the middle for big gains
here’s hoping Marshall sticks almost exclusively with the 4-3 defense and can take some of these lemons on the DL and make lemonade like Cable has done with the OL the past 2 seasons
May 8th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Dude ..
We are all at the facility!
Bart just talked to Marshall face to face, and he said so himself. I was right there next to him, and heard it myself.
You should see Bush. WOW! This dude looks like a frickin Army Hummer.
I litterally turned to Dakota when McFadden jogged by and said “Did you feel that?”
You should get out here dogg! You’re missing all the action!
May 8th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Rocker,
Agreed on the DL statement. You think they have the horses at LB for the 3-4? I sure dont.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:31 am
You guys are trippin with this D line stuff.
Do you realize how many times we had 3 DLmen on the field last year?
I missed all those runs up the middle RRS. I sure did see the ones off tackle though. And the ones where our LBs were no where to be found. And the ones where our LBs bounced off guys, and displayed laughable tackling skills.
I think the coaches saw that too, which is why we went DE/LB a lot in this draft.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:33 am
If Bush and McFadden can’t get the job done then we are dead in the water no matter what, so what good does it do to sit back and worry about it? If Fargas is carrying the load again we are screwed.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:38 am
we tried to change a 3-4 DC (Ryan) into a 4-3 DC … it didn’t work out
why try to change a 4-3 DC (Marshall) into a 3-4 DC?
seems kind of stupid imo. If we want a 3-4 defense we should have retained Ryan or promoted Martindale.
Cable already said that the scheme & system on defense isn’t changing. He said the problem was more to do with coaching and play calling on D.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Dakota,
Sheet man, when are you going to get it? All three of these guys are injury prone and all three are gonna have to contibute for the run game to work. For christ sake Fargas is 2 years from getting a 1000 in basically 12 games and had 850 last year in limited time. You act as if the guy is a total bum. He has at least done it before, Bush and Dmac havent proved dick.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:44 am
=)
May 8th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Duder,
We stocked up on LB’s aswell as WR & O-line…Change is on the horizion….and Frantz is a beast…and our LB wows start in the trenches these “fast undersized” LB’s wouldnt have so much trouble if Offensive G’g & T’s are constantly gwetting to the second level b/c we have no d-line presense….
May 8th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Frantz is such a beast he didnt even get drafted and more than likely wont make the team. Your right on the trenches thought though.
May 8th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Frantz IS A BEAST!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 8:50 am
We are all at the facility!
I wish………
Jh,
ture or false??
May 8th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Typical Raider fan, calling a guy who didnt even get drafted and wont make the team ” a beast”. LOL!!
May 8th, 2009 at 8:52 am
In Spirit baby
May 8th, 2009 at 8:53 am
I know Duder,
UDFA have alot to prove!! I couldnt agree more and he will need to have a ST impact to make the roster but he will you watch!!! Had this kid went to BC like he was supossed/offered to he would have been drafted GARAUTNTEE!!
May 8th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Joe Rudi IS A BEAST!
May 8th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Nothing typical about it.You must not have seen the clip on Joseph.Typical hater
May 8th, 2009 at 8:56 am
DHB-DHB-DHB-
M&M-M&M-M&M-
those are my…”in spirit chants”
May 8th, 2009 at 8:58 am
rudi jullianni???
May 8th, 2009 at 8:59 am
4eva,
You mean youtube?? LOL!!
Come on man, the guy didnt get drafted for a reason. Odds are the cat wont even make the team, especially considering the guys they did draft ahead of him, not to mention Ekijuba and Alston are LBs who are mainly spec teams players.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:00 am
he helped the Athletics reach the World Series and made a great game-saving catch in Game 2 that would be the highlight reel for many Major League Baseball films. With Tony Perez on first and Oakland leading 2-0 in the ninth inning, Rudi raced to the left-field fence and made a leaping, backhanded catch of Denis Menke’s smash to save a run. Earlier in the game, Rudi had a solo home run.
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BEAST!!!!!!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Dude they aint TRUE MLB’s Frantz is.You are wrong on this one,imo.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:10 am
OAKlifer Says:
May 8th, 2009 at 9:00 am
he helped the Athletics reach the World Series and made a great game-saving catch in Game 2 that would be the highlight reel for many Major League Baseball films. With Tony Perez on first and Oakland leading 2-0 in the ninth inning, Rudi raced to the left-field fence and made a leaping, backhanded catch of Denis Menke’s smash to save a run. Earlier in the game, Rudi had a solo home run.
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BEAST!!!!!!!!
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I remember. Rudi was underrated his whole career. Rickey would never have made that play – you can’t clap your glove on your thigh and still make a leaping, backhanded catch. Then again, he might have gotten there in time to catch it standing up, lol. Rickey was mighty quick for a Filipino…
May 8th, 2009 at 9:12 am
4eva,
Is it safe to assume you would be saying the same thing about ANY lb that signed with the Raiders as a UDFA? Cause you should know you sound pretty silly pumping up a guy who went undrafted. What would you say the odds are the guy makes the squad?
May 8th, 2009 at 9:15 am
assume anything you want mr
May 8th, 2009 at 9:20 am
M&M Highlights…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8KF2-_OXoA
Couldn’t help my self!!!!! man this kid IS RAW & NASTY
May 8th, 2009 at 9:22 am
4 eva,
So instead of answering the question you go with the “MR” stuff. Sure sign you aint got sheet. Come on, lets here it. Odds that the kid makes the club?
May 8th, 2009 at 9:24 am
OAKlifer,
Not saying the kid wont be good, but I have to wonder how he didnt even make All MAC 3rd team?? It just doesnt add up.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Then again, he might have gotten there in time to catch it standing up, lol. Rickey was mighty quick for a Filipino…
Wonder if Davis ever gave him a look……
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Duder,
“What would you say the odds are the guy makes the squad?”
65-85% chance thats being real!! If he can Play ST Well enough he will make the roster as our NEW backup MLB this kid has a lot of raw talent!!! and a motor like no other…I agree highlights are just as good as lowlights…. but in every Flordia Atlantic game or clip I watched if this kid wasnted the first one making contact he was the second ALWAYS around the ball Stands up blockers at the point of attack and sheds em THIS KID SWALLOWS ball carriers…needs to work harder than anyone to make the roster but when he does there wont be enought CROW to go around!!
May 8th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Dude Says:
May 8th, 2009 at 9:22 am
4 eva,
So instead of answering the question you go with the “MR” stuff. Sure sign you aint got sheet. Come on, lets here it. Odds that the kid makes the club?
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LMAO. MR, pretending you are someone else is so 2007.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:29 am
1st TEAM ALL SUN BELT BACK TO BACK SEASONS…….
at BC…
here’s my math…
Named to the 2008 Lombardi Award Preliminary Watch List
• Butkus Watch List Member
• Holds the Single-Season FAU Record for Tackles
• Selected Phil Steele’s Mid-Season All-Sun Belt Second Team
• Sun Belt Total Tackles Leader
• Sun Belt Conference First-Team Member Twice
May 8th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Whatever you aint leading me down any path mr.The kid makes the team,period,IMO
May 8th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Joseph is SLOOOOOOWWWW. His only chance to make this roster is by outplaying Alston, Williams and the other rookies on special teams. Supposedly Rashad Baker got cut because he didn’t have “Raider Speed”, I expect Frantz Joseph will suffer the same fate, when all is said and done.
But, I look for Joseph to get on the practice squad and bulk-up, while working on his speed and fluidity, and maybe at some point this season or next he moves up to the 53.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:33 am
I hear ya BO same old tired routine.Screen writers need 2B able 2 adapt.You are sinking mr
May 8th, 2009 at 9:34 am
“06 One of just two Sun Belt Conference players listed on the Butkus Watch List
had a team-leading 14 tackles versus Minnesota and 12 at North Texas, both victories…earned the team’s “Bone” award for big hits at North Texas…
07″ Jumped into the starting lineup to make an immediate impact
Present: New Orleans Bowl: Recorded 10 tackles, including six solo and two tackles for a loss of five yards.
just sayin…..
May 8th, 2009 at 9:36 am
OAKlifer,
And all that equals undrafted how??
4eva,
Thanks for proving my point. Tell me whos roster spot he takes. Ekijuba, Alston, Brown, any of the guys they drafted??
May 8th, 2009 at 9:37 am
341…LOL at
1st TEAM ALL SUN BELT BACK TO BACK SEASONS…….
at BC…
AT FAU!!!!!! my bad
May 8th, 2009 at 9:38 am
I dunno BBB MLB’s 2 me MLB’s really dont need speed as much as a nose 4 the ball.Many MLB’s through-out the history of the nlf wer’nt fast.I think MLB is a diffrent breed all 2 it self =)
May 8th, 2009 at 9:40 am
he does need 2 bulk up tho
May 8th, 2009 at 9:41 am
He needs to bulk up and hes slow. Hmmm…. Sounds like NFL material to me. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 9:42 am
What time does the 1st practice kick off?
May 8th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Dude Says:
May 8th, 2009 at 9:36 am
OAKlifer,
And all that equals undrafted how??
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BART Bridge Blues Says:
May 8th, 2009 at 9:32 am
Joseph is SLOOOOOOWWWW. His only chance to make this roster is by outplaying Alston, Williams and the other rookies on special teams.
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I think speed had something to do with it. Playing at school that has never sent a prospect in the 7 round ERA could play a role…and lets face it there are alot more than the 175 or so drafted That have talent to play in this leauge.imoh..
But you guys are correct on one thing Double R, and I have been sayin all along IF he dosnt make an HUGE ST impact it will be hard for him to crack the 53 this year….
May 8th, 2009 at 9:46 am
4eva,
I agree with you about MLB’s, but I don’t make the roster decisions. That falls on Crazy Uncle Al, and he likey da speed. Joseph is gonna have to come out like gangbusters on ST’s or is best scenario will be starting out on the practice squad. That isn’t so bad though, good place to groom a guy that needs to lift weights and limber-up for a season before he is ready for the big time.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Thats the problem for the guy. The Raiders already are pretty well stocked with speedy LBs that are special teams mavens. The fact that hes slow surely is a HUGE negative, especially in coverage units.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Me either.I agree he has lots of work 2 do.mr is scared 2 death of the genius of this pick-up
May 8th, 2009 at 9:54 am
4eva,
Why am I MR? And spare me the witty retorts, just answer the question.
May 8th, 2009 at 9:59 am
he he
May 8th, 2009 at 10:00 am
951,
10:30 I believe
May 8th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Yeah, pretty much what I thought.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Dude Says:
May 8th, 2009 at 9:54 am
4eva,
Why am I MR? And spare me the witty retorts, just answer the question.
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Why are you MR? You tell us. We didn’t pick the name “MaddenRaider”, you did.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Thanks Oak
May 8th, 2009 at 10:03 am
O I’ll take the HIGH Road
and you’ll take the low road
Profetic huh???
May 8th, 2009 at 10:05 am
JERRY,
Thanks for the write up on Mitchell!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Where’s VegasRaider? We need some handicapping.
Who will be the first player to strain a hamstring that will remain problematic for months?
Who will be the first player to tear knee ligaments and lose ‘09 completely?
Odds on whether MM forgets it is non-contact and levels someone.
Over/under on number of times The Cable Guy says “everything is great” during each session.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Let’s get the party started!!! 15 more minutes…..the year doesn’t start until the Raiders hit the field.
Cheers to new season! Let’s play some ball!
May 8th, 2009 at 10:20 am
WASSUP NATION!
May 8th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Dude,
Sorry, but I don’t think Bush and McFadden can be labeled injury prone already. Bush was injured in college, has recovered and is now just riding the pine.
McFadden missed very few games in college and just because he was injured in his first season doesn’t make him injury prone. If he misses more time this season then you might have an argument. Fargas is injury prone…his NFL career indicates that.
The only things Fargas has proven in the NFL are: 1) he can’t stay on the field, 2) he can’t catch and 3) He can’t score TDs.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Odds on whether MM forgets it is non-contact and levels someone.
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1-to-1 odds pays even money….
not sure forget is the right word…….LOL
Jerry you better be climbing that gate in 5 mins!! WE count on you….
Narco….You to buddy “lika sto” we need you guys to step it up!!!!!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 10:25 am
The only things Fargas has proven in the NFL are: 1) he can’t stay on the field, 2) he can’t catch and 3) He can’t score TDs.
4….he can rap or at least look cool while YUK is!!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 10:28 am
“What would you say the odds are the guy makes the squad?”
65-85% chance thats being real!!
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I think Frantz Joseph has about a 25 percent chance to make the 53 man roster.
I agree with BBB’s assessment in post # 343 & 353
However, one thing you can’t measure is heart and determination. This kid has been proving people wrong and hushing critics his entire life. Why stop now?
May 8th, 2009 at 10:30 am
The only things Fargas has proven in the NFL are: 1) he can’t stay on the field, 2) he can’t catch and 3) He can’t score TDs.
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ouch! no wonder FARGAS jersey sales are down… haha
May 8th, 2009 at 10:33 am
“What would you say the odds are the guy makes the squad?”
65-85% chance thats being real!!
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I think Frantz Joseph has about a 25 percent chance to make the 53 man roster.
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I did get a little carried away… but 100% chance he is on our practice squad and 65-85% he will see the field in S&B b4 too long. imho
May 8th, 2009 at 10:35 am
I am outta hear…have a nice weekend fellas.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:35 am
New Vid on Raiders.com check it out. Rookies arriving to HQ.
Hey Jerry, how about some fix for us… Something like Pre-Minicamp update or something like that.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:39 am
SALDE NORRIS!!!!!!
ROY nike shirt in that vid!!!!!!!!!! SICCCC
Thanks M C
May 8th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Fargas’s biggest problem is that Louis Rankin is going to be gunning for that 3rd RB spot – and Rankin is younger, faster and much cheaper.
50/50 whether Fargas is on the roster by the end of August.
Interested how Myers starts. If he impresses and nails the 2nd TE spot, that might mean the end of Stewart. Strong is also younger, faster and cheaper.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:44 am
By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer
Friday, May 9th, 2008 at 4:00 pm in Oakland Raiders.
There were some encouraging signs, but “fantasy camp” being what it is, there was nothing shocking about the first day of the Raiders rookie minicamp……..
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Same thing to day I bet….if he even gets a glimpse…
May 8th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Fargas’s biggest problem is that Louis Rankin is going to be gunning for that 3rd RB spot – and Rankin is younger, faster and much cheaper.
50/50 whether Fargas is on the roster by the end of August.
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Great point!! how much is Uncle Al willing to pay for heart??? we already know he’ll pay for speed..I always overlook/forget about Rankin!!!!!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 10:48 am
WOW. Rams cut Pisa Tinoisamoa
May 8th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Over here Double R!!!
May 8th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Bush has the size and power to be the No1 back. McFadden is the ultimate strike weapon and Rankin is the smaller, nippy, change of pace back.
Fargas is a tired old warhorse who is getting slower and more fragile. I think he could really struggle to defend his roster spot…and justify his salary.
May 8th, 2009 at 10:56 am
TWO NEW POSTS!!!! JERRY’s on point!!!!!
Thanks agian Jerry
May 8th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Here’s something to consider when talking about Justin Fargas. He’s played 6 NFL season for the Raiders and only has 698 carries and 60 catches during that span. He’s been hurt EVERY season …
LaDainian Tomlinson has played 8 NFL seasons for the Chargers and has a whopping 2657 carries and 510 catches during that span.
yet somehow LT still has more tread on the tires than Fargas and he’s taken less of a pounding. less frequent injuries. isn’t that sad?
1 TD every 100 carries isn’t good enough fellas!
May 8th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
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