385

What minicamp will (and won’t) tell us

Looking forward to actually seeing some players on the field starting Friday, although it’s wise not to attach too much significance to non-contact drills in a contact sport.

So while we won’t get to watch how Darrius Heyward-Bey goes after a high pass with Mike Mitchell waiting to blow him up, the following will be watched with interest:

– How smooth and natural does Heyward-Bey look catching the ball, and will his speed be as breathtaking as advertised? If he has issues with his hands, it could be simply nerves or unfamiliarity with the system, but it would at least be of minor concern.

– How well does Mitchell cover receivers in seven-on-seven sessions when he can’t use the contact which is such a big part of his game? He is supposed to be good enough to even cover a wide receiver in a pinch.

But there’s a big difference between what Mitchell saw in college and what he’ll see this weekend. I remember hearing the same thing about Tyvon Branch last year, and like most rookies, he struggled keeping up in coverage.

– Will Russell be in better shape? Lane Kiffin used to say Russell was always going to be a 270-pounder and there was nothing that could be done to change that. It was his body and his natural weight.

But truth be told, Russell, as least with the Raiders, has not been a well-cut athlete and his body-type looks more like some of the offensive linemen than a quarterback. Athletes “change their body” through nutrition and training all the time.

Russell tends to wear a baggy practice jersey and his shape may not be evident. It’s also worth noting it’s only May and he’s got plenty of time. Or maybe Kiffin is simply right. Russell will look like Russell.

– What happens when Russell overthrows Heyward-Bey? Does the rookie simply accelerate and run under it?

– Does either Mario Henderson or Khalif Barnes take any snaps on the right side, or will both be exclusively left tackles for the five sessions? Ideally, Henderson would play as he did over the last there games of the season and start and Barnes would be rejuvenated with the Raiders. Both would start, but which one is on the left?

– How does Garcia look throwing the medium- and deep-range passes Tom Cable wants as a part of the offense?

– Who appears to be running the Raiders offense? When Cable is going from unit to unit, I assume it will be passing game coordinator Ted Tollner, with Paul Hackett concentrating on fundamentals with Russell and Co. Plays are done off a practice call sheet, but there usually is a voice of authority.

– Is Andrew Walter the fourth quarterback behind Russell, Garcia and Bruce Gradkowski?

– Are the Raiders going to mix in some 3-4 defense, with players such as Slade Norris and Stryker Sulak, who will be stood up as outside linebackers but who rushed the passer in college?

(To be fair, Rob Ryan did some 4-3 in minicamps and training camp, but we didn’t see much of it in the regular season _ mostly because of personnel. The current personnel could change that).

– Will Michael Huff play like someone who is competing for his professional life, and will John Marshall’s system afford him comfortable enough to break on the ball and risk error, while a the same time making some plays?

Huff has been a player who has taken very few chances and the result is he’s often been invisible.

– Is Javon Walker healthy and does he look like he wants to prove he’s not washed up? He’s guaranteed $4.6 million over the next two years whether he does or not.

– Will there be music during warmups?

Music boomed through loudspeakers during warmups since Kiffin arrived, and the practice was continued when Cable took over. The playlists ranged from rap to rock and occasionally country. Now that Cable has the team from the start, does he send a subtle message that it’s his team now?

Cable, by the way, said he was partial to Guns N’ Roses and classic rock.

– Will there be a new fullback on the roster. Rumors of Lorenzo Neal’s arrival have yet to be confirmed. In that regard, we’ll see if Oren O’Neal is ready to take the field or if he’s off to the side working with athletic trainers.

– Will Trevor Scott look any bigger, but still be just as quick? Scott played in the 240s last season, regardless of what the roster said. The first time I saw him out of uniform, I thought he was an outside linebacker or safety and was instantly skeptical.

Wrong, of course. Looked like a great sixth-round pick.

Minicamp will be of little use in determining the following:

– Will the Raiders be any better at stopping the run?

They’ll be working on fitting gaps and being fundamentally sound, but with the rules stating you don’t want players blocked to the ground or any true hitting, you simply can’t tell if they’re getting anywhere. Even training camp can be deceiving because the contact is not finished.

– Will the pass protection be improved?

– Offensive linemen are at a distinct disadvantage when they can’t fire off and take the offensive to change up their tactics. Quicker players such as Derrick Burgess are unblockable during non-contact drills because they’re too quick and linemen can’t wear them down.

– The depth chart. There will be some clues, maybe. But if, say, Matt Shaughnessy is suddenly thrown in with the ones, it may simply be to see how he reacts. Or it could be to motivate someone else on the line who needs it.

I remember Chris Morris working as a first-team center for a time last year. Everyone got a notebook lead or a blog out of it. By the next day, Morris was back with the threes.

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    What time does the 1st practice kick off?

  • OAKlifer

    Dude Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:36 am
    OAKlifer,
    And all that equals undrafted how??
    ____________________________________________

    BART Bridge Blues Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:32 am
    Joseph is SLOOOOOOWWWW. His only chance to make this roster is by outplaying Alston, Williams and the other rookies on special teams.
    _______________________________________

    I think speed had something to do with it. Playing at school that has never sent a prospect in the 7 round ERA could play a role…and lets face it there are alot more than the 175 or so drafted That have talent to play in this leauge.imoh..

    But you guys are correct on one thing Double R, and I have been sayin all along IF he dosnt make an HUGE ST impact it will be hard for him to crack the 53 this year….

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/skew-t/166654980/ BART Bridge Blues

    4eva,

    I agree with you about MLB’s, but I don’t make the roster decisions. That falls on Crazy Uncle Al, and he likey da speed. Joseph is gonna have to come out like gangbusters on ST’s or is best scenario will be starting out on the practice squad. That isn’t so bad though, good place to groom a guy that needs to lift weights and limber-up for a season before he is ready for the big time.

  • Dude

    Thats the problem for the guy. The Raiders already are pretty well stocked with speedy LBs that are special teams mavens. The fact that hes slow surely is a HUGE negative, especially in coverage units.

  • 4evaRaider

    Me either.I agree he has lots of work 2 do.mr is scared 2 death of the genius of this pick-up

  • Dude

    4eva,

    Why am I MR? And spare me the witty retorts, just answer the question.

  • 4evaRaider

    he he

  • OAKlifer

    951,

    10:30 I believe

  • Dude

    Yeah, pretty much what I thought.

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    Dude Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:54 am
    4eva,

    Why am I MR? And spare me the witty retorts, just answer the question.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Why are you MR? You tell us. We didn’t pick the name “MaddenRaider”, you did.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfRIEg5IMBI&feature=related Raider Nation 951

    Thanks Oak

  • 4evaRaider

    O I’ll take the HIGH Road

    and you’ll take the low road

    Profetic huh???

  • holla4LosT

    JERRY,

    Thanks for the write up on Mitchell!!!

  • M Lonetree

    Where’s VegasRaider? We need some handicapping.

    Who will be the first player to strain a hamstring that will remain problematic for months?

    Who will be the first player to tear knee ligaments and lose ’09 completely?

    Odds on whether MM forgets it is non-contact and levels someone.

    Over/under on number of times The Cable Guy says “everything is great” during each session.

  • RaiderLove

    Let’s get the party started!!! 15 more minutes…..the year doesn’t start until the Raiders hit the field.

    Cheers to new season! Let’s play some ball!

  • DMAC

    WASSUP NATION!

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Dude,

    Sorry, but I don’t think Bush and McFadden can be labeled injury prone already. Bush was injured in college, has recovered and is now just riding the pine.

    McFadden missed very few games in college and just because he was injured in his first season doesn’t make him injury prone. If he misses more time this season then you might have an argument. Fargas is injury prone…his NFL career indicates that.

    The only things Fargas has proven in the NFL are: 1) he can’t stay on the field, 2) he can’t catch and 3) He can’t score TDs.

  • OAKlifer

    Odds on whether MM forgets it is non-contact and levels someone.

    *************************

    1-to-1 odds pays even money….

    not sure forget is the right word…….LOL

    Jerry you better be climbing that gate in 5 mins!! WE count on you….

    Narco….You to buddy “lika sto” we need you guys to step it up!!!!!!!

  • OAKlifer

    The only things Fargas has proven in the NFL are: 1) he can’t stay on the field, 2) he can’t catch and 3) He can’t score TDs.

    4….he can rap or at least look cool while YUK is!!!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    “What would you say the odds are the guy makes the squad?”
    65-85% chance thats being real!!

    ***

    I think Frantz Joseph has about a 25 percent chance to make the 53 man roster.

    I agree with BBB’s assessment in post # 343 & 353

    However, one thing you can’t measure is heart and determination. This kid has been proving people wrong and hushing critics his entire life. Why stop now?

  • RaiderRockstar

    The only things Fargas has proven in the NFL are: 1) he can’t stay on the field, 2) he can’t catch and 3) He can’t score TDs.

    ***

    ouch! no wonder FARGAS jersey sales are down… haha

  • OAKlifer

    “What would you say the odds are the guy makes the squad?”
    65-85% chance thats being real!!

    ***

    I think Frantz Joseph has about a 25 percent chance to make the 53 man roster.

    ******

    I did get a little carried away… but 100% chance he is on our practice squad and 65-85% he will see the field in S&B b4 too long. imho

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    I am outta hear…have a nice weekend fellas.

  • Maddens Curse

    New Vid on Raiders.com check it out. Rookies arriving to HQ.

    Hey Jerry, how about some fix for us… Something like Pre-Minicamp update or something like that.

  • OAKlifer

    SALDE NORRIS!!!!!!

    ROY nike shirt in that vid!!!!!!!!!! SICCCC

    Thanks M C

  • Scottish Raider

    Fargas’s biggest problem is that Louis Rankin is going to be gunning for that 3rd RB spot – and Rankin is younger, faster and much cheaper.

    50/50 whether Fargas is on the roster by the end of August.

    Interested how Myers starts. If he impresses and nails the 2nd TE spot, that might mean the end of Stewart. Strong is also younger, faster and cheaper.

  • OAKlifer

    By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer
    Friday, May 9th, 2008 at 4:00 pm in Oakland Raiders.

    There were some encouraging signs, but “fantasy camp” being what it is, there was nothing shocking about the first day of the Raiders rookie minicamp……..

    *********************

    Same thing to day I bet….if he even gets a glimpse…

  • OAKlifer

    Fargas’s biggest problem is that Louis Rankin is going to be gunning for that 3rd RB spot – and Rankin is younger, faster and much cheaper.

    50/50 whether Fargas is on the roster by the end of August.

    ************

    Great point!! how much is Uncle Al willing to pay for heart??? we already know he’ll pay for speed..I always overlook/forget about Rankin!!!!!!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    WOW. Rams cut Pisa Tinoisamoa

  • OAKlifer

    Over here Double R!!!

  • Scottish Raider

    Bush has the size and power to be the No1 back. McFadden is the ultimate strike weapon and Rankin is the smaller, nippy, change of pace back.

    Fargas is a tired old warhorse who is getting slower and more fragile. I think he could really struggle to defend his roster spot…and justify his salary.

  • OAKlifer

    TWO NEW POSTS!!!! JERRY’s on point!!!!!

    Thanks agian Jerry

  • RaiderRockstar

    Here’s something to consider when talking about Justin Fargas. He’s played 6 NFL season for the Raiders and only has 698 carries and 60 catches during that span. He’s been hurt EVERY season …

    LaDainian Tomlinson has played 8 NFL seasons for the Chargers and has a whopping 2657 carries and 510 catches during that span.

    yet somehow LT still has more tread on the tires than Fargas and he’s taken less of a pounding. less frequent injuries. isn’t that sad?

    1 TD every 100 carries isn’t good enough fellas!

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385

What minicamp will (and won’t) tell us

Looking forward to actually seeing some players on the field starting Friday, although it’s wise not to attach too much significance to non-contact drills in a contact sport.

So while we won’t get to watch how Darrius Heyward-Bey goes after a high pass with Mike Mitchell waiting to blow him up, the following will be watched with interest:

– How smooth and natural does Heyward-Bey look catching the ball, and will his speed be as breathtaking as advertised? If he has issues with his hands, it could be simply nerves or unfamiliarity with the system, but it would at least be of minor concern.

– How well does Mitchell cover receivers in seven-on-seven sessions when he can’t use the contact which is such a big part of his game? He is supposed to be good enough to even cover a wide receiver in a pinch.

But there’s a big difference between what Mitchell saw in college and what he’ll see this weekend. I remember hearing the same thing about Tyvon Branch last year, and like most rookies, he struggled keeping up in coverage.

– Will Russell be in better shape? Lane Kiffin used to say Russell was always going to be a 270-pounder and there was nothing that could be done to change that. It was his body and his natural weight.

But truth be told, Russell, as least with the Raiders, has not been a well-cut athlete and his body-type looks more like some of the offensive linemen than a quarterback. Athletes “change their body” through nutrition and training all the time.

Russell tends to wear a baggy practice jersey and his shape may not be evident. It’s also worth noting it’s only May and he’s got plenty of time. Or maybe Kiffin is simply right. Russell will look like Russell.

– What happens when Russell overthrows Heyward-Bey? Does the rookie simply accelerate and run under it?

– Does either Mario Henderson or Khalif Barnes take any snaps on the right side, or will both be exclusively left tackles for the five sessions? Ideally, Henderson would play as he did over the last there games of the season and start and Barnes would be rejuvenated with the Raiders. Both would start, but which one is on the left?

– How does Garcia look throwing the medium- and deep-range passes Tom Cable wants as a part of the offense?

– Who appears to be running the Raiders offense? When Cable is going from unit to unit, I assume it will be passing game coordinator Ted Tollner, with Paul Hackett concentrating on fundamentals with Russell and Co. Plays are done off a practice call sheet, but there usually is a voice of authority.

– Is Andrew Walter the fourth quarterback behind Russell, Garcia and Bruce Gradkowski?

– Are the Raiders going to mix in some 3-4 defense, with players such as Slade Norris and Stryker Sulak, who will be stood up as outside linebackers but who rushed the passer in college?

(To be fair, Rob Ryan did some 4-3 in minicamps and training camp, but we didn’t see much of it in the regular season _ mostly because of personnel. The current personnel could change that).

– Will Michael Huff play like someone who is competing for his professional life, and will John Marshall’s system afford him comfortable enough to break on the ball and risk error, while a the same time making some plays?

Huff has been a player who has taken very few chances and the result is he’s often been invisible.

– Is Javon Walker healthy and does he look like he wants to prove he’s not washed up? He’s guaranteed $4.6 million over the next two years whether he does or not.

– Will there be music during warmups?

Music boomed through loudspeakers during warmups since Kiffin arrived, and the practice was continued when Cable took over. The playlists ranged from rap to rock and occasionally country. Now that Cable has the team from the start, does he send a subtle message that it’s his team now?

Cable, by the way, said he was partial to Guns N’ Roses and classic rock.

– Will there be a new fullback on the roster. Rumors of Lorenzo Neal’s arrival have yet to be confirmed. In that regard, we’ll see if Oren O’Neal is ready to take the field or if he’s off to the side working with athletic trainers.

– Will Trevor Scott look any bigger, but still be just as quick? Scott played in the 240s last season, regardless of what the roster said. The first time I saw him out of uniform, I thought he was an outside linebacker or safety and was instantly skeptical.

Wrong, of course. Looked like a great sixth-round pick.

Minicamp will be of little use in determining the following:

– Will the Raiders be any better at stopping the run?

They’ll be working on fitting gaps and being fundamentally sound, but with the rules stating you don’t want players blocked to the ground or any true hitting, you simply can’t tell if they’re getting anywhere. Even training camp can be deceiving because the contact is not finished.

– Will the pass protection be improved?

– Offensive linemen are at a distinct disadvantage when they can’t fire off and take the offensive to change up their tactics. Quicker players such as Derrick Burgess are unblockable during non-contact drills because they’re too quick and linemen can’t wear them down.

– The depth chart. There will be some clues, maybe. But if, say, Matt Shaughnessy is suddenly thrown in with the ones, it may simply be to see how he reacts. Or it could be to motivate someone else on the line who needs it.

I remember Chris Morris working as a first-team center for a time last year. Everyone got a notebook lead or a blog out of it. By the next day, Morris was back with the threes.

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  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfRIEg5IMBI&feature=related Raider Nation 951

    What time does the 1st practice kick off?

  • OAKlifer

    Dude Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:36 am
    OAKlifer,
    And all that equals undrafted how??
    ____________________________________________

    BART Bridge Blues Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:32 am
    Joseph is SLOOOOOOWWWW. His only chance to make this roster is by outplaying Alston, Williams and the other rookies on special teams.
    _______________________________________

    I think speed had something to do with it. Playing at school that has never sent a prospect in the 7 round ERA could play a role…and lets face it there are alot more than the 175 or so drafted That have talent to play in this leauge.imoh..

    But you guys are correct on one thing Double R, and I have been sayin all along IF he dosnt make an HUGE ST impact it will be hard for him to crack the 53 this year….

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/skew-t/166654980/ BART Bridge Blues

    4eva,

    I agree with you about MLB’s, but I don’t make the roster decisions. That falls on Crazy Uncle Al, and he likey da speed. Joseph is gonna have to come out like gangbusters on ST’s or is best scenario will be starting out on the practice squad. That isn’t so bad though, good place to groom a guy that needs to lift weights and limber-up for a season before he is ready for the big time.

  • Dude

    Thats the problem for the guy. The Raiders already are pretty well stocked with speedy LBs that are special teams mavens. The fact that hes slow surely is a HUGE negative, especially in coverage units.

  • 4evaRaider

    Me either.I agree he has lots of work 2 do.mr is scared 2 death of the genius of this pick-up

  • Dude

    4eva,

    Why am I MR? And spare me the witty retorts, just answer the question.

  • 4evaRaider

    he he

  • OAKlifer

    951,

    10:30 I believe

  • Dude

    Yeah, pretty much what I thought.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Dude Says:
    May 8th, 2009 at 9:54 am
    4eva,

    Why am I MR? And spare me the witty retorts, just answer the question.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Why are you MR? You tell us. We didn’t pick the name “MaddenRaider”, you did.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfRIEg5IMBI&feature=related Raider Nation 951

    Thanks Oak

  • 4evaRaider

    O I’ll take the HIGH Road

    and you’ll take the low road

    Profetic huh???

  • holla4LosT

    JERRY,

    Thanks for the write up on Mitchell!!!

  • M Lonetree

    Where’s VegasRaider? We need some handicapping.

    Who will be the first player to strain a hamstring that will remain problematic for months?

    Who will be the first player to tear knee ligaments and lose ’09 completely?

    Odds on whether MM forgets it is non-contact and levels someone.

    Over/under on number of times The Cable Guy says “everything is great” during each session.

  • RaiderLove

    Let’s get the party started!!! 15 more minutes…..the year doesn’t start until the Raiders hit the field.

    Cheers to new season! Let’s play some ball!

  • DMAC

    WASSUP NATION!

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Dude,

    Sorry, but I don’t think Bush and McFadden can be labeled injury prone already. Bush was injured in college, has recovered and is now just riding the pine.

    McFadden missed very few games in college and just because he was injured in his first season doesn’t make him injury prone. If he misses more time this season then you might have an argument. Fargas is injury prone…his NFL career indicates that.

    The only things Fargas has proven in the NFL are: 1) he can’t stay on the field, 2) he can’t catch and 3) He can’t score TDs.

  • OAKlifer

    Odds on whether MM forgets it is non-contact and levels someone.

    *************************

    1-to-1 odds pays even money….

    not sure forget is the right word…….LOL

    Jerry you better be climbing that gate in 5 mins!! WE count on you….

    Narco….You to buddy “lika sto” we need you guys to step it up!!!!!!!

  • OAKlifer

    The only things Fargas has proven in the NFL are: 1) he can’t stay on the field, 2) he can’t catch and 3) He can’t score TDs.

    4….he can rap or at least look cool while YUK is!!!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    “What would you say the odds are the guy makes the squad?”
    65-85% chance thats being real!!

    ***

    I think Frantz Joseph has about a 25 percent chance to make the 53 man roster.

    I agree with BBB’s assessment in post # 343 & 353

    However, one thing you can’t measure is heart and determination. This kid has been proving people wrong and hushing critics his entire life. Why stop now?

  • RaiderRockstar

    The only things Fargas has proven in the NFL are: 1) he can’t stay on the field, 2) he can’t catch and 3) He can’t score TDs.

    ***

    ouch! no wonder FARGAS jersey sales are down… haha

  • OAKlifer

    “What would you say the odds are the guy makes the squad?”
    65-85% chance thats being real!!

    ***

    I think Frantz Joseph has about a 25 percent chance to make the 53 man roster.

    ******

    I did get a little carried away… but 100% chance he is on our practice squad and 65-85% he will see the field in S&B b4 too long. imho

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    I am outta hear…have a nice weekend fellas.

  • Maddens Curse

    New Vid on Raiders.com check it out. Rookies arriving to HQ.

    Hey Jerry, how about some fix for us… Something like Pre-Minicamp update or something like that.

  • OAKlifer

    SALDE NORRIS!!!!!!

    ROY nike shirt in that vid!!!!!!!!!! SICCCC

    Thanks M C

  • Scottish Raider

    Fargas’s biggest problem is that Louis Rankin is going to be gunning for that 3rd RB spot – and Rankin is younger, faster and much cheaper.

    50/50 whether Fargas is on the roster by the end of August.

    Interested how Myers starts. If he impresses and nails the 2nd TE spot, that might mean the end of Stewart. Strong is also younger, faster and cheaper.

  • OAKlifer

    By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer
    Friday, May 9th, 2008 at 4:00 pm in Oakland Raiders.

    There were some encouraging signs, but “fantasy camp” being what it is, there was nothing shocking about the first day of the Raiders rookie minicamp……..

    *********************

    Same thing to day I bet….if he even gets a glimpse…

  • OAKlifer

    Fargas’s biggest problem is that Louis Rankin is going to be gunning for that 3rd RB spot – and Rankin is younger, faster and much cheaper.

    50/50 whether Fargas is on the roster by the end of August.

    ************

    Great point!! how much is Uncle Al willing to pay for heart??? we already know he’ll pay for speed..I always overlook/forget about Rankin!!!!!!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    WOW. Rams cut Pisa Tinoisamoa

  • OAKlifer

    Over here Double R!!!

  • Scottish Raider

    Bush has the size and power to be the No1 back. McFadden is the ultimate strike weapon and Rankin is the smaller, nippy, change of pace back.

    Fargas is a tired old warhorse who is getting slower and more fragile. I think he could really struggle to defend his roster spot…and justify his salary.

  • OAKlifer

    TWO NEW POSTS!!!! JERRY’s on point!!!!!

    Thanks agian Jerry

  • RaiderRockstar

    Here’s something to consider when talking about Justin Fargas. He’s played 6 NFL season for the Raiders and only has 698 carries and 60 catches during that span. He’s been hurt EVERY season …

    LaDainian Tomlinson has played 8 NFL seasons for the Chargers and has a whopping 2657 carries and 510 catches during that span.

    yet somehow LT still has more tread on the tires than Fargas and he’s taken less of a pounding. less frequent injuries. isn’t that sad?

    1 TD every 100 carries isn’t good enough fellas!

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