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		<title>By: Kerry Collins vs Mike Reid &#124; PureCountryMusic.Com Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kerry Collins vs Mike Reid &#124; PureCountryMusic.Com Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 02:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Ghost Rider</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 12 May 2009 06:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am HAPPY there are no controversies so far!! Raiders All the way!!!</description>
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		<title>By: Who Knows &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quick scan of the net - kerry collins</title>
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		<dc:creator>Who Knows &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Quick scan of the net - kerry collins</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 06:23:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://www.ibabuzz.com/raidersblog/2009/05/10/dhb-mitchell-murphy-sit/I for one am tired of the Jay Schroeder&#8217;s, Jeff Hostetler&#8217;s, Vince Evans, Don Hollas, Jeff George, Rich Gannon, Kerry Collins, Aaron Brooks, Daunte Culpepper, Josh McCown and now Jeff Garcia….. Gimmie a break. &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: canadianraider</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 01:57:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i realize qb&#039;s take time..but if jr was as promising as mcnabb was  his first two years...we wouldnt be having a discussion about it..macnabb was way better at this stage ....you knew macnabb was going to be good. i cant say that about russell right now..to be honest i think were all clinging on some of jr&#039;s nice plays...but not impressed by others, the only difference is  we choose not to  to admit it</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i realize qb&#8217;s take time..but if jr was as promising as mcnabb was  his first two years&#8230;we wouldnt be having a discussion about it..macnabb was way better at this stage &#8230;.you knew macnabb was going to be good. i cant say that about russell right now..to be honest i think were all clinging on some of jr&#8217;s nice plays&#8230;but not impressed by others, the only difference is  we choose not to  to admit it</p>
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		<title>By: RuffRaider</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 23:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as JR and the Raiders being behind because of the hold-out, I am not so sure. Many coaches firmly believe that you can ruin a rookie QB by letting him play right away, on a bad team especially. Sitting on the sidelines for a year might have actually helped him, but we&#039;ll never know for sure I guess. I say let them play, but I do know that allot of coaches think the other way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as JR and the Raiders being behind because of the hold-out, I am not so sure. Many coaches firmly believe that you can ruin a rookie QB by letting him play right away, on a bad team especially. Sitting on the sidelines for a year might have actually helped him, but we&#8217;ll never know for sure I guess. I say let them play, but I do know that allot of coaches think the other way.</p>
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		<title>By: Rellik30</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rellik30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 23:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Was that Twitter from Jerry, or David White?</description>
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		<title>By: SnB Defense</title>
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		<dc:creator>SnB Defense</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 23:11:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4evaRaider Says:
May 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
You have a valid point but… Jmac still could have been in camp with some sort of insurance policy in place,its been done B4.Jmac’s hold-out is still having negitive ramifactions,imo
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Can you name one top pick that has ever come to camp without a contract?  You are asking Russell to be a pioneer for something that doesn&#039;t benefit players.

Brady Quinn also held out if I recall.  Although not for the entire camp, but he too, retarded his growth by missing about a quarter to half of training camp.  He was the 17th or 18th pick overall.

That DE for Jacksonville (Harvey) he held out last year until the last week of camp or the regular season.  He was a 18th pick or something like that too.

Owners don&#039;t have to pay those contracts.  Al should have told Russell if he isn&#039;t signed by draft day that they will go ahead with Calvin Johnson.

Once Al drafted JaMarcus Russell....it was ALL ON AL and his staff to get him signed and in camp.  They blew it big time!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4evaRaider Says:<br />
May 10th, 2009 at 4:06 pm<br />
You have a valid point but… Jmac still could have been in camp with some sort of insurance policy in place,its been done B4.Jmac’s hold-out is still having negitive ramifactions,imo<br />
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Can you name one top pick that has ever come to camp without a contract?  You are asking Russell to be a pioneer for something that doesn&#8217;t benefit players.</p>
<p>Brady Quinn also held out if I recall.  Although not for the entire camp, but he too, retarded his growth by missing about a quarter to half of training camp.  He was the 17th or 18th pick overall.</p>
<p>That DE for Jacksonville (Harvey) he held out last year until the last week of camp or the regular season.  He was a 18th pick or something like that too.</p>
<p>Owners don&#8217;t have to pay those contracts.  Al should have told Russell if he isn&#8217;t signed by draft day that they will go ahead with Calvin Johnson.</p>
<p>Once Al drafted JaMarcus Russell&#8230;.it was ALL ON AL and his staff to get him signed and in camp.  They blew it big time!</p>
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		<title>By: SnB Defense</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 23:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4evaRaider,

The problem is you are asking Russell to take less money than others of his comparable status at that time.  Who would do that?  Labor unions don&#039;t do that.  How many strikes (hold-outs) have we seen in industry.  Corporate executives don&#039;t do it.  Top Hollywood actors and actresses don&#039;t take less.

I understand the principle you are espousing.  But America is run by rules.  The rules state that an employee or contractor can get whatever the market is willing to bear.  In the NBA they have rules on how much they will pay out.  MLB and the NFL do not.

Look at how the Dolphins handled things.  They took the OT and passed on the QB.  I am sure money might have entered into the equation.  But then again Jake Long is the highest paid OT in the league.

It is what it is.  Remember the phrase &quot;Don&#039;t hate the player, hate the game&quot;  Well Russell, along with all other athletes and people for that matter, are just players.  The Owners, Executives, Managers, Generals, Supervisors etc...are the guys/gals running the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4evaRaider,</p>
<p>The problem is you are asking Russell to take less money than others of his comparable status at that time.  Who would do that?  Labor unions don&#8217;t do that.  How many strikes (hold-outs) have we seen in industry.  Corporate executives don&#8217;t do it.  Top Hollywood actors and actresses don&#8217;t take less.</p>
<p>I understand the principle you are espousing.  But America is run by rules.  The rules state that an employee or contractor can get whatever the market is willing to bear.  In the NBA they have rules on how much they will pay out.  MLB and the NFL do not.</p>
<p>Look at how the Dolphins handled things.  They took the OT and passed on the QB.  I am sure money might have entered into the equation.  But then again Jake Long is the highest paid OT in the league.</p>
<p>It is what it is.  Remember the phrase &#8220;Don&#8217;t hate the player, hate the game&#8221;  Well Russell, along with all other athletes and people for that matter, are just players.  The Owners, Executives, Managers, Generals, Supervisors etc&#8230;are the guys/gals running the game.</p>
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		<title>By: 4evaRaider</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 23:06:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have a valid point but... Jmac still could have been in camp with some sort of insurance policy in place,its been done B4.Jmac&#039;s hold-out is still having negitive ramifactions,imo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have a valid point but&#8230; Jmac still could have been in camp with some sort of insurance policy in place,its been done B4.Jmac&#8217;s hold-out is still having negitive ramifactions,imo</p>
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		<title>By: RuffRaider</title>
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		<dc:creator>RuffRaider</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 May 2009 23:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re right it&#039;s a gamble, but if you don&#039;t want to pay fair market value for the No. 1 overall pick in the draft the answer is very simple, trade the damn pick!

The market determines the value, not Al Davis or anyone else. The system needs to change, YES, but when trying to build a winning football team an owner shouldn&#039;t take it upon himself to hurt his team over some unreasonable principle. That is exactly what Al did with the JR contract.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re right it&#8217;s a gamble, but if you don&#8217;t want to pay fair market value for the No. 1 overall pick in the draft the answer is very simple, trade the damn pick!</p>
<p>The market determines the value, not Al Davis or anyone else. The system needs to change, YES, but when trying to build a winning football team an owner shouldn&#8217;t take it upon himself to hurt his team over some unreasonable principle. That is exactly what Al did with the JR contract.</p>
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