Brown’s bizarre claim
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, May 12th, 2009 at 4:28 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Rather than spend a lot of time dealing with the out-of-left-field comments by Tim Brown on an Atlanta radio station regarding Al Davis and his supposed dislike of African-American football players from Notre Dame, I’ll leave a couple of links to archived stories I wrote in 2006.
The first is on wide receiver Art Powell, who refused to play in a preseason game with the Philadelphia Eagles because it was in the segregated south, and who found a home with Davis and the Raiders, becoming one of the AFL’s most explosive wide receivers.
The second is on Davis’ record in support of African-American players in the 1960s and their stands against racism.
The stories ran on consecutive days as a series on Sept. 24 and Sept. 25, 2006.
From reading the transcript of the interview, it sounds like Brown was told these things regarding Davis’ feeling about African-American players from Notre Dame, and not from Davis directly.
If that’s the case, or even if it’s not, repeating it now doesn’t make a lot of sense. Davis’ record on this issue is above reproach.
Southwick signed
Quarterback Danny Southwick, the quarterback in minicamp on a tryout basis out of Occidental, was signed to a contract, according to the transactions page on Raiders.com.
Neither Southwick nor veteran Andrew Walter got any action in team sessions, with the work split fairly evenly between starter JaMarcus Russell, backup Jeff Garcia and offseason acquisition Bruce Gradkowski.
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May 12th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
hmmmm, ok
May 12th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
so i’m guessing that big al isn’t going to be introducing tiny tim at his hof ceremony?
talk about a “huh?” comment…
May 12th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
From reading the transcript of the interview, it sounds like Brown was told these things regarding Davis’ feeling regarding African-American players from Notre Dame, and not from Davis directly.
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That’s what I feel the majority of us think as well, but then again, it only takes one twist to get people talking and then it expands like most of the crap the media spews.
May 12th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
The article on Art Powell was revealing. You always judge people on their actions….especially their actions in times when there is distress or little-to-no personal gain.
Al Davis might have made some personnell and coaching blunders these last 6years…but when it comes to being a quality human being and living out the vision of America, Al Davis is the guy that was ahead of his time. He has treated men like men since he got started. He hired coaches based on their ability before a Rooney rule was even conceived.
Good, concise and to the point post Jerry!
May 12th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
what does this have to do with anything today? is Timmy pissed because Davis doesnt want him to work for him? why else say something that everyone knows isnt true.. something must be taken out of context or something..
May 12th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
There were still some very segregated cities, and we were confronted with a lot of situations. And that’s the best thing I can say about Al Davis — he backed us.” So what the f is Timmie talking about? I can’t beleive this coming from a guy who was kept around long after his prime, you better go public and tell the press how it was taken out of context….
May 12th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
JerryMc,
thank you. I remember your article about Art Powell and I remember thinking “About time!”.
So, for all of you that forever wish AD to keel over…the man actually deserves more slack than most any of you will ever deserve.
Timmy, I guess you want to boost your BSPN nationwide ratings and votes for the HOF. Pi$$ing down everyone’s back and telling ‘em it’s raining will always fool a few.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
I never liked Tim Brown, the alligator armed receiver. He never won a thing in his entire football career, going back as far as High School.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
timmy alligator armed? LOL OKIEDOKIE.. but i bet your a Moss fan LOL
May 12th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Yeah, Randy Moss is/was probably the most dangerous weapon in the NFL.
Get down Timmy, get down, as he slides.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Even if Al Davis said that, I don’t think it was a statement of racism. If anything, it should have said that Al Davis didn’t like drafting “players” from Notre Dame. I don’t think it had anything to do with black and white outside of the fact that black people tend to be more talented at the WR position than white people. Considering the fact that Al Davis likes to be a cheap basterd sometimes and likes to draft projects and guys with chips on their shoulders, hes looking for the guys that love the game of football and are greatful to Al Davis for getting a chance.
Al Davis is trying to avoid the money craving football players for the most part. Hes looking for guys that will play for the Raiders for less money because Al will treat them good. Notre Dame is known for having high academics. He probably didn’t want to draft a player that was overly intelligent and looking to eat up his pockets because that said player was smart enough to work the system. The only problem is that it would imply that other schools had a bunch of dummies. Its definately an odd statement.
If anything, I think Davis tried to avoid Notre Dame altogether black or white.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Whats with all the hating on Brown….all he did was repeat what he was told by someone else about Davis’ feelings towards black players from ND. He even gave Davis on out saying that those things could have been said to motivate him and fire him up. He never called Al a racist and is still one of, if not the greatest Raider ever and did more with less than any WR I can think of.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Yeah, Randy Moss is/was probably the most dangerous weapon in the NFL.
Get down Timmy, get down, as he slides.
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So it was ok for Moss to constantly alligator arm it his entire career.. but not Timmy.. it was ok for Moss to drop pass after pass simply because he wasnt happy.. he still gets your respect even tho he quit on the team and fans.. and trashed talked the team every week.. wow but yet Timmy never quit even when he had schlubs like Marinavich, Hollis ETC throwing the ball to him LOL.. id say you have a twisted sense of perspective LOL
May 12th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Alligator Arms? Take this from someone that played the game–punt returner is the most dangerous position in all of football and the only one close is gunner, and Tim Brown returned punts.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Players drafted from Notre Dame since 1960:
1961 – Myron Pottios – LB
1964 – George Bednar – T
1974 – Dave Casper – TE
1975 – Steve Sylvester – C
1984 – Stacey Toran – DB
1987 – Steve Beuerlein – QB
1988 – Tim Brown – WR
1991 – Rocket Ismail – WR
Al Davis hasn’t drafted a player from Notre Dame since 1991.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Tim Brown could carry Art Powell’s jock.
Couldn’t carry Freddy B’s jock
Couldn’t carry Warren Wells jock.
May 12th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
he is upset because he didn’t get the GM job he pitched himself for. Sad for him to claim something sooooooo obviously false
May 12th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Now its gettn rich. Jumping on Tim Brown, one of the truly great Raiders to come around the bend in a LOOOONG time. Un real. Brown knows more of the inner workings of the Raiders than probably anyone alive today and I would say his opinion counts oh, about a million times more than any clown posting on this site.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Tim Brown never even won a City Championship in High School.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
KoolKell,
so long as you meant Timmy “couldn’t” carry Art Powell’s jock then we are in 100% agreement. (Could’ve added Cliff too.)
May 12th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Dude
You’ll take any position that get’s you an argument.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Kool Kell,
Was Tim Brown a great player? Yes or no.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Warren Wells
Warren Wells (born November 14, 1942 in Franklin, Louisiana) is a former American college and Professional Football player who played wide receiver for five seasons for the NFL’s Detroit Lions, the American Football League’s Oakland Raiders, and the NFL’s Raiders. Wells is the all-time leading player in yards per catch among NFL and AFL players. Wells holds the AFL record in yards per catch. He holds the NFL record in yards per catch up to the date of the reported change in NFL guidelines for total receptions.
For improved veracity, the date of changes in NFL must be reported in order to ascertain the number of years Wells held the record. Career statistics compiled before changes in criteria are to be analyzed by the guidelines that prevailed during the careers of senior players. (Current guidelines are to be used for current players, otherwise the integrity of the analysis and assessments may be challenged). Currently (In what year was a minimum established?) the NFL requires a minimum of 200 receptions in a career and Wells has 158.
Wells averaged 23.13 yards per catch. (http://www.nfl.com/history/randf/records/indiv/receiving). He was an AFL All-Star in 1968.
Warren Wells is a member of a very small group of professional football players who served in the U.S. Army for two years. Only 2 of 960 professional football players were drafted by the Selective Service in 1966. (Overall, more that 382,000 men were drafted in 1966 which was the maximum for a single year.) He willing served and received an honorable discharge, while many other men found ways to avoid the draft. See Beaumont Enterprise article, dated January 17, 1982, and written by Dwain Price. This article explains an account of his career and issues affecting its length.
After two years in the U.S.Army, Warren Wells returned to football in 1967. He played with the Oakland Raiders. Before 1967 the Raiders were not in the playoffs. From 1960 to 1966 the Raiders did not rank #1 in the West (AFL), but from 1967 through 1970 the team’s performance was outstanding. Those were the years of a dynamic quartet among other outstanding players which grabbed touchdowns, sometimes at the last minute, but nevertheless, they did it.
The quartet included George Blanda, Fred Biletnikoff, Daryl Lamonica and Warren Wells. Note also that in 1971 the Raiders dropped back to rank #2 in the West (AFL) and then moved up to rank #1 again from 1972 through 1975. It seems that a “Yes We Can” attitude developed from 1967 to 1970, with Wells having participated in the AFL Championship and played in Super Bowl II against the Packers. The Raiders lost the game, yet the team performed at a higher level than ever before during the Raiders’ history.
The team player, Warren Wells was there, and he will be remembered for belonging to the years that the Raiders made one of their first and biggest breakthroughs. Also note that during the Oakland Raiders team’s best year in that historic era, Biletnikoff had 40 receptions, 876 yards, an average of 21.9, and 5 touchdowns. Wells had 13 receptions, 302 yards, an average of 23.2 and 6 touchdowns. So, during the Raiders best year (1967) during that era, Wells data shows him to have been more intense in his average and in his total number of touchdowns, while Biletnikoff had more receptions and yards.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Tim Brown caught a lot of passes, did a lot of sliding, we never won squat.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Dude Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Kool Kell,
Was Tim Brown a great player? Yes or no.
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Tim Brown caught a lot of passes, did a lot of sliding, we never won squat. NO!
May 12th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
KoolKell – What happened to Warren Wells?
May 12th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Tim Brown could carry Art Powell’s jock.
Couldn’t carry Freddy B’s jock
Couldn’t carry Warren Wells jock.
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All great Raiders and Cliff as well, but Timmy did more idividually on worse teams, with worse Qb’s, and after a career threatening injury than any of those guys. They all cemented their legacy and place in history with rings but if you give Brown The Snake or Plunkett as QB he has a ring of his own.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Repost
KoolKell Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Tim Brown never even won a City Championship in High School.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
24 Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
KoolKell – What happened to Warren Wells?
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Wells had an alcohol and woman problem.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Koolkell
If `you are saying that TIM BROW is not a great player then there is really no use in having a discussion with you because you either know very little about the game of football or have a bias against Mr. Raider.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Dude thing,
what ever so great about Timmy? He returned some punts, but I doubt that that he ever made more than handful of CLUTCH catches in his career. I always hoped he would, but he became the latter days of Ronald Curry when it counted.
for all you stat freaks. Dan Marino, 5,000 yds. Drew Brees, 5,000 yards. Rich Gannon nearly 5,000 yards. Jat Cutler, single season Donkey record. Warren Moon, 50,000 yards. Commonality? Zero championships. I could a rat’s a$$ taking a flying &^ck off a bridge about completion percentage and miles of passing yardage. Give The Franchise a break unless you feel it is in the best interest and development of any human being to constantly rag on them about what they have not accomplished by the age of 22. MJ and LeBron – complete busts at 22,23,24,25 – no rings. Crap.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
KoolKell – Thats too bad. His stats were dominant and out of the Al Davis page for vertical it seems.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
M Lonetree,
You never watched the dude play
May 12th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
*TIM BROWN
May 12th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Severeraider,
Let’s just say he’s never been a favorite of mine. Seriously, not just because of this statement. He’s a slidin run out of bound guy. He came along just when the Raiders were going South. He was the only good player we had for years. He caught a lot of passes. He NEVER made a difference.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
I certainly don’t think you can put the blame on Tim Brown for not having won a Superbowl. Randy Moss hasn’t won a Superbowl either despite being on a 16-0 team.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
24 Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
KoolKell – Thats too bad. His stats were dominant and out of the Al Davis page for vertical it seems.
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If memory serves me, it was an Rape allegation.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
That’s right. Never saw a single game in all of Raider history.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
KoolKell,
post 37 is what I saw as well. No difference was made. But, then again, according to the dude thing, I have never seen a Raider play.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Tim Browns starting WR’s over the years:
1988 – 1992 (Jay Schroeder)
1993 – 1996 (Jeff Hostetler) 1 Pro Bowl
1997 – 1998 (Jeff George)
1999 – 2002 (Rich Gannon) 4 Pro Bowls
2003 (Rick Mirer)
May 12th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
I mean’t starting QB’s.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
GO OXY!!! Vance Meuller and now Southwick!!! Yeah, Al has a scout full time at a Div. III SCIAC school.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Lonetree,
Pretty obvious you never watched a game. Unless your blind. No one who watched 81 play would say he wasnt great or that he didnt make big plays. Period. But go on and keep defending guys like Russell and Bush and bashing guys who have actually done something in the league like Tim Brown.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Jerry Rice at 40 was more important to the Raiders than Tim Brown. It may have been the first time Timmy’s ever been in the playoffs at ANY level.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Tim Brown was a great receiver for the Raiders. His comments about Al Davis was stupid…not sure what he was trying to accomplish. But his on field exploits were pretty good.
Had he not played for a bunch of tomato cans at QB for most of his career he would have been a HOF receiver.
Thank goodness the Raiders drafted JaMarcus Russell….all those years of miserable QB after miserable QB….this why developing Russell is the NUMBER 1 priority for this Raider team
May 12th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Jerry Rice starting QB’s over the years:
1986 – 1990 (Joe Montana) 3 Pro Bowls
1991 – 1998 (Steve Young) 7 Pro Bowls
1999 – 2000 (Jeff Garcia) 1 Pro Bowl
2001 – 2002 (Rich Gannon) 2 Pro Bowls
2003 – (Rick Mirer)
Rice had the privilege of 13 Pro Bowls from his QB’s while Tim Brown had 5.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
Severeraider,
Let’s just say he’s never been a favorite of mine. Seriously, not just because of this statement. He’s a slidin run out of bound guy. He came along just when the Raiders were going South. He was the only good player we had for years. He caught a lot of passes. He NEVER made a difference.
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You contradict yourself with your own statement. You complain about Tim never winning anything but then admit he was our only good player for most of his career. You criticize Al for being the worst GM in all of football pointing to his coaching changes and his personell decisions but you somehow expect Brown to overcome all of this to win a SB by himself??? Randy Moss doesn’t have one and won’t get one, neither will Owens, and Fitzgerald in all likelihood won’t either because Warner’s time is almost up. Are none of these WR’s great (Tim has par numbers with all of the above mentioned and it was done with less talent)???
May 12th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
24,
Timmy and Cris Carter are both statistically “great” receivers. Nothing more. And now they are getting more and more pi$$y in their retirements. Golly gee.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
KoolKell,
Last time I checked, Randy Moss hasn’t won squat either.
All the things you criticize Brown for, Moss does just as much, if not more.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
24,
and the more CC and TB anchor to BSPN-type haterism the more they expect to garner votes to the HOF. Simple as that. On the low down.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
I went to the Chiefs game, later in Brown’s career, maybe 02-03, when he returned the punt for a TD late in the 4th quarter to win. Before that there was a flag on the Chiefs so they made them re-punt and Timmy housed it. He was old as hell still returning punts for TD’s, he was amazing!!!
He would have got blitzed in the Super Bowl without him dropping those passes. We weren’t ready on so many levels. I begrudginly give him a pass.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
M Lonetree,
He never called Al a raccist, all he did was repeat what was said to him. He even went as far as to say that it was probably a motivational tactic being used to fire him up.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
You contradict yourself with your own statement. You complain about Tim never winning anything but then admit he was our only good player for most of his career.
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He never even won a High School Championship. True
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“You criticize Al for being the worst GM in all of football pointing to his coaching changes and his personell decisions but you somehow expect Brown to overcome all of this to win a SB by himself??? ”
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Al has won. But he’s past it. Tim Brown never even won a High School Title.
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Randy Moss doesn’t have one and won’t get one,
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Tim Brown has never been the Weapon Randy Moss has. Moss after leaving here, labeled washed up, went to the Pats and contributed mightily to a 16-0 record.
Tim Brown is a soft as a cookie player, I can’t remember a single play of his career.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Tim Brown offered ZERO leadership when he was here. He’s a soft punk.
Sure he has decent stats, but he’s never made a difference, anywhere.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Vegas,
I understand those of the latest generation of Raider fans who hang a hat on Timmy. He was productive to some extent statistically. I guess he just had an off day with Buffalo’s non-descript non-HOF CBs in that 51-3 championshionship game debacle.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Moss hasn’t played well in a playoff game in years. The year they went 16-0, he relatively disappeared in the postseason.
He caught a TD at the end of the Super Bowl, but they still ended up losing. And if you watch the last few passes of that Super Bowl, Brady threw two passes to Moss 60 yards down the field and Randy didn’t even go for it. Brady literally threaded a double-team 60 yards down the field and got a walk in the park effort from Moss with 20 seconds to go in the Super Bowl. The guys a bum.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Koolkell
As i said before you bias blinds you. There are many great players that never won at any level, football is a team sport, one great player on a team NEVER wins a ring in the game of football.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
I had this same discussion on Tim Brown with Brien The Private two weeks ago. Brown was not a great Raider player and is only remembered for his statistics that were bolstered by Tim calling plays to himself regardless of what the team needed at the time. The fans won’t let Tim Brown pull a fast one again like he tried on Davis flirting with the Broncos. We know better. When I think of Tim Brown I think of the drops to get into the post season or after they made it. Anyone got tim Brown’s playoff and Superbowl statistics, including drops?
May 12th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
M,
Tim Brown was a good receiver. There is no denying that. Also, for the 51-3 debacle, Tim Brown was not the starting WR. It was Fernandez and Willie Gault.
But regardless of all that, what Tim Brown said about Davis just didn’t make much sense.
Back to that 51-3 debacle, that game would have been very different had Bo Jackson been able to play that game at 100%. Oh well……
Jay Schroeder wasn’t nearly good enough to carry the team on his own either.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Tim Brown disappeared in the big games.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
There are many great players that never won at any level,
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I disagree with that as well. Most of those guys were absolute terrors in their home state, let alone their hometown.
May 12th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Truth is Tim Brown was a liability for the Raiders the momoment his knee gave out.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Yes, I’m biased, I don’t like T. Brown, never did. I’ve had the same conversations over the years with a good friend of mine from the East Coast, who loves Tim Brown.
Ok Mod?
May 12th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
He had a decent AFC championship game against Tennessee. Also think he had a long TD in a playoff win against Denver in LA.
But those two were more the exception than the rule. Quite a few stinkers. Did play well against Denver, which were some big regular season games.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
I remember thinking why are there only two receivers in pass routes? Then I think of Tim Brown calling the plays in the huddle to spite Shell after he lobbied for his hire.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Vegas,
I could not agree more with your assessment of Moss.
And now here we have DHBey. a kid of honest character. even if he drops as many passes as Timmy or Braylon Edwards I hope that fans here don’t attempt to bury him in vilification because he doesn’t have HOF credentials after the first one and a half years.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Mod????
Was that to me??? BTW, Just because a guy is a terror in his home state doesnt mean his team won anything.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
New name, Tim Clown.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
No the mod deleted my similar post.
We disagree, no problem. Like I said, I have this argument with a very close friend of mine.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
Brown was a master at diving for the DB’s legs on running plays, whiffing most of the time.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Some of you newbies, think Tim Brown and Rich Gannon are the be all, end all of Raider History.
Holla back.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
The worst place a football player can be is on the ground during running plays and Tim Brown was a master at that craft.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Same as JRuss. The kid is the YOUNGEST STARTING QUARTERBACK IN THE NFL. Give him a break. He is rich whether here anyone criticizes him or not. Or do fans here think that ragging on him is of benefit. If Cable or Hackett or Tollner rag him, then fine. Perhaps their “tutelage” will help him reach his potential. Fans crapping down his neck is of no help at all.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Something to feel good about …Raiders 2007 Draft:
1 JaMarcus Russell – STARTER
2 Zach Miller – STARTER
3 Quentin Moses – BUST
3 Mario Henderson – STARTER
3 Johnnie Lee Higgins – ST STARTER/BACKUP WR
4 Michael Bush – BACKUP RB
4 John Bowie – BUST
5 Jay Richardson – STARTER
5 Eric Frampton – BUST
6 Oren O’Neal – STARTER
7 Johnathan Holland – BUST
11 Picks, 5.5 Starters, 1.5 Second-Team Backups, & 4 Busts.
That’s looking like one successful draft insofar. Here’s to keepin it up! (I just hope it wasn’t all Kiffin’s doing).
May 12th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
2008 Draft is looking pretty good too, except for Arman Sheilds. Too bad for him, looks like his body in not having it.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Too bad for him, looks like his body IS not having it.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
LOL Tim Brown is one of the greatest recievers to ever play the game.. to think all he accomplished in Oak with 22 different QBs throwing him the ball.. oh yea he was horrible LOL…and 7 different HCs.. dont know how many other top recievers ever put up numbers with that kind of disfunction
May 12th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
My mistake. Bowie is still here. Backup to the backups probably.
2008 Draft didn’t have many pickings. Its even more premature than judging the 2007 draft. Too too early. 5 picks. DMC being the headliner w/out another pick ’till round 4. With that said, here’s my uneducated vision for how its going to turn out:
1 Darren McFadden – STARTER
4 Tyvon Branch – STARTER (ST KR AND DEFENSE)
4 Arman Shields – BUST (Sorry, I know it suxs)
6 Trevor Scott – BACKUP
7 Chaz Schilens – BACKUP
5 Picks, 2 Starters, 2 Backups, 1 Bust (although its not his fault)
May 12th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
But Chaz is an interesting character. He could turn out to be a quality starter on this team although it’ll be a stretch for me to say that at this point.
He has the size, speed, love and apparently the hands to make it happen. Question is, can he hone in enough talent to get it done? It’ll take a lot of hard work on his part. There’s usually a reason why you get drafted in 7.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
JaMarcus Russell walks softly and carries a big stick.
When big quiet people speak, you listen.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
If you look at the QB’S that Tim Brown had throwing to him its easy to say if he had Montana and Young like Jerry Rice had, Tim might have been the all time best. Isn’t it time for Al Davis to write a book in his own words, I would love to read that. Raiderforlife
May 12th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
The Raiders had some horrible drafts after 88′ Didn’t get any great players until Charles Woodson in 98′
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/rai.htm
May 12th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Im curious. How is starting for the Raiders considered being a success for a draft pick? I am sure the Lions starting lineup is mostly draft picks as well. Does that automatically make their drafts a success?
May 12th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Charles Woodson, my all time favorite player by the way, is “great” but Tim Brown isnt? LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!
May 12th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
OakGlenn, how many practices did you attend?
Zero?
Thats what I thought. You know nothing about what Russell is working on.
You know zero about what the new DC is going to do when the season starts as far as blitzing is concerned.
Pickle kisser..
# Oakglenn Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Russell works alot at putting touch on his passes. Having Jeff Garcia there will certainly help him with short screens which he was terrible at last year. Also, the defense is running a bunch of different blitz packages. Don’t get excited. They are doing that to try to get Bush and Dmac up to snuff as far as their blocking assignments are concerned. And of course since mistabrown can only count to three and doesn’t have any idea who we drafted, right now look for Shilens/JLH/DHB/Murphy/Watkins with “Jivin”, Shields, and Sammie Parker fighting it out for the last roster spot.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
The Raiders had some horrible drafts after 88′ Didn’t get any great players until Charles Woodson in 98′
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/rai.htm
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You forgot about our totally awesome QB taken in the ‘93 draft in the 3rd round, man…people thought for sure he was going to be a HOF QB back then. I think I still have his rookie card, lol.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
OakGlenn, you are really this ignorant? Do you really think Im not aware of ALL the WR’s we have?
If you are comfortable going into the season with Higgins, Shillens, and Bey you are twice the moronic turd I thought you were.
Watkins = scrub
Shields = never seen the field
And I dont expect much from any rookie including BEY!
Go pet your cat OakGlenn and let the adults talk about tackle football.
# Oakglenn Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 7:57 am
# Mistabrown Says:
May 11th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Walker wont be ready for the start of training camp.
The end.
-SHILLENS
-HIGGINS
-BEY
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I guess this guy mistabrown can get three guys on the depth chart. Once you get past the number three he has a very hard time counting. BTW, Shilens is spelled wrong, and it’s actually Heyward-Bey. But why would any of us think he would actually spell the names of the players?? He can’t even spell his own name right.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
“The experience he brings can help mold those young fullbacks in there,” Raiders coach Tom Cable said after seeing Neal for the first time on the opening day of Oakland’s three-day minicamp. “That guy has proven over time that he probably can run any run scheme in the NFL because he has been in them all, and been very good.
-Tom Cable
# Oakglenn Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Lo plays a different style of FB than we play here. He would not fit the scheme. Unfortunately.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
ATTENTION RAIDER FANS
If you were concerned about the 2010 WR group of Higgins, Bey, Shields have no fear! OakGlenn has endorsed this group of Pro Bowlers with the added depth of Watkins & Murphy & Holland…
Super Bowl here we come…..whew weeeeeeeee!
Just Win baby!
May 12th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Mistabrown Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
ATTENTION RAIDER FANS
If you were concerned about the 2010 WR group of Higgins, Bey, Shields have no fear! OakGlenn has endorsed this group of Pro Bowlers with the added depth of Watkins & Murphy & Holland…
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At least he spelled everything right this time. Probably had his little cousing do it. Problem is it’s actually 2009, not 2010. Mistabrown doesn’t even know what day it is.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Oh, now you attend Raider functions?? LOL! Here we go……………
May 12th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Sure. Thats me. Should have figured youd go there as opposed to actually trying to debate something Raider related. LOL!
May 12th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
The last times I debated you with something Raider related, you completely humiliated yourself. I figured dumpster diving was more on your level.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Oh really?? Please, refresh my memory.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
WHY MUST WE TURN ON TIM BROWN NOW. HE WAS GREAT . .HES JUST MAD BECUZ SUM OF THE PLAYERS HE LIKES AND MENTORS OUTTA NOTRE DAME DONT GET DRAFTED IN THE LEAGUE . BUT WHY BLAME AL?
May 12th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
This is blown way out of proportion. I remember distinctly what Al davis said the day he drafted Tim Brown and I wondered why he drafted him if he felt this way.
What he said was he didn’t think Tim Brown had it in him to play the way the Raiders wopuld like. At that time we had a “hell bent for leather” approach to rthe game and we were known as the bad boys of the league essentially. Well when Tim Brown was drafted he came out and said that HE didn’t aspire to the kind of way the Raiders did things and that he wouldn’t allow them to change him. Something to that affect I think the article was written by Jim ____ a noteworthy writer that I loved to read of the LA Times. Well Jim ____ hated Al Davis in fact he was the one who kept fanning the fires of the rift between Marcua Allen and Mr Davis.
When I read what Tim said I was pussled as to why Al would draft a guy that felt this way. Because Tim essentially said that he didn’t want to play for us. He didn’t like what we stood for. Al davis basically said that’s why he didn’t like Notre Dame athletes as much as from other schools but took a chance on Tim because he was high profile and the Raiders had a hard time selling tickets because of that same image.
I wrote this earlier a couple of years ago. Around that time we had a safety that dies in a car accident a black player from Notre Dame. Al found out that he wa drunk while driving anf since then he has gone out of his way to get players that were good examples and to change the environment of the Raiders.
Tim Brown aand Terry McDaniel were some of the players that he targeted to do that. But he did say that he hoped Tim would embrace becoming a Raider in time, and Tim did.
After all the image that the Raiders had become was based on rappers and the whole LA gang thing. After Tim got there he saw that it was really a fan thing.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Mistabrown Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
ATTENTION RAIDER FANS
If you were concerned about the 2010 WR group of Higgins, Bey, Shields have no fear!
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The year is actually 2009. 2010 doesn’t come up til next year, but who’s counting.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Fargas is a better RB than McFadden right now. At the end of the year maybe not, but right now he is. Oh my, I feel so embarrased!!! That all you got??
May 12th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Brilliant!! Your argument is so well thought out and intelligent. LMFAO!!!
May 12th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
# Dude Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Brilliant!! Your argument is so well thought out and intelligent. LMFAO!!!
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I never made an argument. I just asked a question. You’re not a very bright guy are you?
May 12th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
This guy argues with everybody. I’ve never seen you come in here just to discuss the team. It’s always contraversy.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
BTW Jerry, I appreciate the blog today I’m sure there were some fans that were confused as to the facts.
Nice job!!
May 12th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Oh, you didnt?? Thanks for making my point. LOL! You didnt because you aint got sheeeeet. Still waiting for you to say one half un-retarded thing.
” No way the Raiders take DHB. He doesnt have the passion for the game.” -Oakglenn
May 12th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
nice, mods working late nite deleting stuff, rock on
May 12th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Oh, but you are always at Raider functions right?? LOL!!
” Not to gloss myself but I have more insight into the QB position than most”- Oakglenn. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 12th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
The other players on the board at the time had a much higher passion for playing the game. DHB didn’t even play the game 4 years in high school. Hard to say he has a passion for the game the way guys like Dmac or Ladanian have been playing since Pop Warner.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
” No WAY the Raiders take DHB”- Oakglenn
Who’d the Raiders take again???
May 12th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
What? Someone didn’t like the DHB pick? surprising, lol
May 12th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Can’t say I was the only one in disbelief. Is that all you got?
May 12th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
# Dude Says:
May 9th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
And Jamarcus is one of the best QBs on Madden 09. How da hell you taking him out for Walter?
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At least now we know where Dude gets his football knowledge. Certainly not by actually watching a real game.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Answer: DHB.
Good call!
May 12th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Jerry, have you considered contacting Tim Brown for an interview? Surely that would be a good way to figure out just what he meant, and to get an indication as to rather or not he’s exaggerating. Seems like a more integrable thing for a journalist to do than to just do the typical, blowhard sports reporter thing, and auto-dismiss a black athlete’s racism accusation. The sports media tends to lean conservative and before the run of the mill radio hosts, scribes and columnists give a black athlete’s racism grievance the light of day, they demand audio of the incident at hand, DNA samples, and a smoking gun, before the story is even considered. I don’t see the harm in getting both sides of the story. Why not ask Al for a statement? Why not ask Tim Brown to clarify what he said, and to be more specific? If just one journalist would do this (you?), we can get a much clearer picture of this thing. But perhaps that’s what many of you don’t want. After all, the business of football is your guys’ meal ticket, and the disruption of said business hurts you guys as well as the league. Good company police? Yes. Good journalism? Not in the slightest. But this is the modern day sports media.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Talking about a video game, not real life. YOU GOT ME!!! Man, at least Priest puts up a fight.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
“good company policy”, not “police”
May 12th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
You would think a Raider beat guy would have at least contacted TB before commenting. Weird.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
My guess is Jerry is doing some Raider arse kissin by running the piece.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Oak, I said even worse things about the DHB pick prior to and after the draft.
When I finally got tape of the kid is not hard to see why they drafted him.
He just fits what we want to do……….period
Not mention he’s a physical freak. He and Russell another physical freak have a chance to be the most lethal battery ever. If this works man O man it could be the best of it’s era.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
So all your football knowledge comes from video games huh dude?? You never been to an actual game have you?? don’t worry, you can level with us.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Russell is awesome on Madden’09. Too bad it is a video game. Our defense is awesome, too. I use a cover 1 against the computer. Rack up the picks. Having that safety roaming in the middle forces them to throw it to either Nnamdi or Hall, which is a pick like one out of every two times. Hall runs it back for 6 every time. Madden always makes the Raiders’ defense good. Maybe we are in real life, but we just don’t use the right schemes.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Still lookn Oakdouche???
May 12th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Priesttj
I seem to remember that.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
You have never actually been to a game have you dud??
May 12th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
In fact you have probably never even been to a high school game. And you never actually played the game. Except on gameboy right??
May 12th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Nope, never watched a game. Dont have NFL ticket. Dont travel to Oakland for a game a year. Dont go to Rickys the night before with my wife for dinner. Dont do any of those things.
Man, I am sure sorry I “got some” of you bro. You are just KILLING me with your knowledge. LOL!!
May 12th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Dude Says:
May 7th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
“Hey guys dont cha think 16yearsold16yearfan is a douche? Come on guys, dont cha think?”
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No. We all think you’re the douche dud.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
So you go to one game a year?? Nice. Come on dud. I am just asking you.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Oh my Oakglenn. Whos embarrassing themselves now? Keep lookn kid. You might find something, sooner or later.
STILL waiting for your first unretarded thought.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Yep. Fly in for a game a year. Watch the rest on t.v. Any more ????
May 12th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
And you get to do that fine dining at Ricky’s. What’s that like your big night out with the wife??
May 12th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
# Dude Says:
May 8th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Dakota,
You seem REALLY confident in the ability of McFadden and Bush to carry the running game, which happens to be the most important part of the Raider team. Curious as to how you came up with that decision.
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I think you happen to be in the extreme minority that Bush and McFadden can’t carry the running game. But then again, you thought that Al Davis was against the Rich Gannon signing. Even tho he gave him $9mm. But again, whose counting.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Did I say it was fine dining? Its a place to hang out the night before. LOL, man you are just eatn me alive!!!!
May 12th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Of course none of this shows up on your Xbox does it?
May 12th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
So you don’t take your wife out for fine dining?? You MUST be a douchebag.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
McFadden and Bush have never carried a running game in the NFL before, hell they havent even showed the ability to put a string of good games together yet. But yeah, they are a shoo in.
Yep. Rich Gannon = Al Davis type of QB. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 12th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
So now we know you make it to one game a year, most of your football knowledge comes from your Xbox, you never actually played the game at any level, and you treat your wife to fine dining at Ricky’s or you’re a low life douchebag. At least things are becoming much clearer.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Nope. We NEVER go to El Gaucho or Ruths Chris or Daniels Broiler or The Met or Mortons. NEVER!!
May 12th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Cousings?
lmao
# Oakglenn Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
At least he spelled everything right this time. Probably had his little cousing do it. Problem is it’s actually 2009, not 2010. Mistabrown doesn’t even know what day it is.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Darren McFadden and Michael Bush are completely different types of backs. Which one is the Al Davis type??
May 12th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Mistabrown Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
ATTENTION RAIDER FANS
If you were concerned about the 2010 WR group of Higgins, Bey, Shields have no fear!
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Oh good. Mistabrown is back!! Hey mistabrown you do realize it is actually 2009 or are you having trouble counting again?
May 12th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Madden,
Preaching to the choir. Al’s current agenda is proving “his” ways still work regardless of how few wins it produces.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
OakGlenn, this just in!
The Pittsburgh Steelers are 2009 Super Bowl champs!
So yes 2010 will likely follow.
lol
May 12th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
OakGlenn, go pet your cat.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
OakGlenn, go pet your cousing.
lmao
May 12th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
OakGlenn, this just in!
The Pittsburgh Steelers are 2009 Super Bowl champs!
So yes 2010 will likely follow.
lol
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Nice back tracking mistabrown. You always do.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Oakglenn Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Darren McFadden and Michael Bush are completely different types of backs. Which one is the Al Davis type??
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And the dude says? Fargas maybe?
May 12th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
# Dude Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Oak,
Turn your lights down, the rest of the trailer park is trying to sleep. Night, night now. Thanks for taking it easy on me and not actually making a single point.
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Nice talking to you dud. go play your xbox. Maybe you might learn something about the game. Of course, nothing that would make it onto real life, but hey, you won’t know the difference.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Oakglenn I have to back track to catch up to you. You’re in my rear view son..I’m about to pass you twice!
May 12th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
No I have no idea its Friday..lol
OakGlenn, I’m so deep under your skin do you even sleep at night ?
You’re a stationary target, easily hit, full of holes.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Nice WR group we have eh OakGlenn?
You and your left bewb Priest have been sucking on Shields and Watkins as if they are the next Jerry Rice, how they doin ?
OakGlenn, go pet your cat so you can say you had your silly mits on some pu$$y.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
You can’t come in here without mentioning me and you are saying you are under my skin?? You are completely utterly delusional. But that’s ok. It’s 2010 to you too isn’t it?
May 12th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
OakGlenn, what do you think about Lorenzo Neal does he fit our patented scheme ?
May 12th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
come on mistabrown, you are criticizing our receiving corp. What do you recommmend we do??
May 12th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Oh wait a minute…
Here we go
# Oakglenn Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Lo plays a different style of FB than we play here. He would not fit the scheme. Unfortunately.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
OakGlenn what would the Raider Nation do without your brilliant insights?
May 12th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
OakGlenn, what do you think about Lorenzo Neal does he fit our patented scheme ?
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Actually the system we had been running uses the FB as a receiving target. That’s one of the reasons we brought Rathman in to teach the RB’s. Neal is not much of a receiver. But Cable is going to change things around a little to see if Neal fits. You didn’t know that did you. And of course, you also don’t realize Lo neal has not made the team??
May 12th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
Mistabrown Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
ATTENTION RAIDER FANS
If you were concerned about the 2010 WR group of Higgins, Bey, Shields have no fear!
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Here, this is better. Last time I looked it is actually 2009. But whose counting right mistabrown.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Do you have any idea what year it really is right now mistabrown?? or are you guessing??
May 12th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Hey Genius..
Rathman works for the 49ers….this just in.
lmao
Oakglenn Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
That’s one of the reasons we brought Rathman in to teach the RB’s.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Well, since the next Super Bowl is played in February of 2010, let’s just all call this year 2010.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Well April 29th, 2009 we had a scheme that didnt fit L Neal.
Miraculously Tom Cable (rookie coach) adjusted his scheme to fit the style of FB L Neal who has not made the team yet!
LMAO
May 12th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Tell me more OakGlenn your insight to the Raider Nation is legendary.
OakGlenn, how many practices did you see last week ?
You saw Jamarcus working on those short passes with Garcia, right?
May 12th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
First off, the coaching staff said he would not fit the scheme not me. That was widely reported. Cable altered his scheme and Lo sold himself to Davis. I completely stand by that statement. Personally I am glad he is here. He still hasn’t made the team tho. Genius.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
So we brought in Rathman last year so he could adjust this years scheme to fit Lorenzo Neal, who hasn’t made the team yet?
Ok I got it!
lmao
May 12th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Mistabrown Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Well April 29th, 2009 we had a scheme that didnt fit L Neal.
Miraculously Tom Cable (rookie coach) adjusted his scheme to fit the style of FB L Neal who has not made the team yet!
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This statement is really ignorant. Cable brought a guy in. that’s all that has happened.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Really ? The coaching staff said this? Did they send you a telegram? Did a pigeon deliver this to your trailer park? Did AL put it up on his overhead?
lmao
# Oakglenn Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
First off, the coaching staff said he would not fit the scheme not me. That was widely reported. Cable altered his scheme and Lo sold himself to Davis. I completely stand by that statement. Personally I am glad he is here. He still hasn’t made the team tho. Genius.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Looks alot like you said he didnt fit to me but who am I to judge?
# Oakglenn Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Lo plays a different style of FB than we play here. He would not fit the scheme. Unfortunately.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
Actually Rathman has been here for years. But you didn’t know that did you??
May 12th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
So you didnt say this?
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# Oakglenn Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
First off, the coaching staff said he would not fit the scheme not me.
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# Oakglenn Says:
April 29th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Lo plays a different style of FB than we play here. He would not fit the scheme. Unfortunately.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
So let me get this straight: you didn’t know Rathman set up a system for our running backs and that it was reported that Lo probably wouldn’t fit that system, but they decided to take a look at him anyway. Man, that is hard to understand. Especially when you don’t have much brain power like yourself right?
May 12th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
OakGlenn, I’m going to stop bloodying your nose. I’m starting to feel embarrassed for you.
G’night
lmao
May 12th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
You still don’t get it??
May 12th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Actually Oak is right about the Lo Neal thing. ne of the reasons he doesn’t stay on one team too long is he’s a pure blocking back or lead back.
In the WC the FB is required to catch the football. Lo Neal probably has less than 50 receptions over his career someone can look it up. But lead backs are a dying breed in the NFL. Rathman taught the FB should be complete and a threat out of the backfield. Even OO caught passes under Rathman and he was a rookie.
They are obviously makinga n exception this year thus the Lo Neal pickup. We’ll soon see how they want to use him.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
That’s it run away again. Call yourself the winner and run away. That’s what you always do.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Actually Kiffin said that Neal wouldn’t fit the scheme.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Actually I didn’t call myself the winner but since you just did..
Ok
You’re priceless man!
May 12th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
So let’s summarize. Mistabrown did not know that Rathman was our RB coach, and that the system they designed was to use the FB’s as a receiving target. Mistabrown did not know that the coaching staff reported that Lo probably would not be a fit. Cable decided to take a look at him anyway, but yet mistabrown does not realize Lo has not made the team yet or even does fit in. But boy, he bloodied my nose.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Wow. What an interesting evening. Now I know why most humans think Raider fans are unbelievably stupid. lst off, MaddenRaider thinks Al Davis is racist, Dud thinks Fargas is better than Bush and McFadden, and I still have no idea why mistabrown couldn’t figure out the Lorenzo Neal situation. Oh well..
May 12th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Priest what I think we are seeing here, is Cable is no longer going to run Kiffins offense. He started to change it late in the season, but with the roll outs and doggles, I was thinking they were still going to run the basic Kiffin SC offense. Now, it looks like Tom Cable is going to go in his own direction and that is probably a good thing.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
hay oak why is it the 50th anniversery ???? that started in 1960???
May 12th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
# r8rpaver Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
hay oak why is it the 50th anniversery ???? that started in 1960???
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You have to include the 1960 year. That means the 1969 would be the tenth year. Not that hard to figure out. Try counting it out on your fingers. Maybe that might help.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
your right… im drunk…i should go to bed…but i only have 9 fingers…damn saw…..
May 13th, 2009 at 12:31 am
I haven’t read the other 181 responses but this whole thing about using Timmy’s quote to defame Al’s stance on the so-called “race relations” is just this shy of a farce. I think what Timmy is saying reveals more of how shrewd Al Davis is with his employment of psychology, using psyche as a motivational force to further inspire Timmy to show up as a ball player. I would not go so far as to disbelieve that Al intentionally had someone state this to Timmy in an aim to have him decide for himself that he would separate himself from such a stereotyped reduction. Also, I could see it give Al no small pleasure to rift a bit on the Golden Domer from his mighty seat on the Trojan Horse. This idea is a Trojan Horse, sent in to Timmy’s camp only to infiltrate his secure notions and call him to arms as a ball player. The measure of prejudice lies less in what is said and more with what is done, and Al’s actions speak volumes not only for himself but for the league who was not just a bit slow to catch on to these values Al seemed to step in with even at a coaches level. I’ve heard worse spins on other comments.
Raider on,
Chamorro Raider
May 13th, 2009 at 12:45 am
exactly what did he “win”???
May 13th, 2009 at 1:27 am
Russell to be a father?
http://d.yimg.com/a/p/ap/20090508/capt.1b9d334642be44a89a69a1ecf210a786.raiders_camp_football_caps112.jpg
May 13th, 2009 at 3:11 am
Thanks for that Jerry.
Not that anything needed clearing up.
Suggesting that Al Davis may be racist is surely the weirdest and most unfair statement to ever come out of Tim Brown’s mouth.
When he was a Raider I liked Tim Brown.
He really needs to clarify or retract his statement.
May 13th, 2009 at 3:18 am
Mr really seems to be beating the drum on this one.
I guess the team is starting to look good and he’s searching for something else with which he can attack the Raiders.
On the last blog Dakota suggested Mr is a former disgruntled employee of the Raiders.
You think Mr is Tim Brown?!
May 13th, 2009 at 5:03 am
Good morning nation.
R8,
LMAO, I’m just glad Its not me this time!!! LMFAO
May 13th, 2009 at 5:06 am
England,
What’s going on man?
May 13th, 2009 at 5:11 am
Ain’t that a B!tch!!!
I wake up early, nothing to do, my family is sleeping, so where are you people??!!! lol
May 13th, 2009 at 5:13 am
F$@& Fargas!! lol
May 13th, 2009 at 5:25 am
O K!!
I will listen to some Muse and draw.
May 13th, 2009 at 5:56 am
Mornin’ morning crew, Raider O.
May 13th, 2009 at 5:57 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S, RAIDER O , U ALL ALONE , WHAT IS UP THIS MORNING ?
May 13th, 2009 at 5:58 am
TW, GOOD DAY 2 U….
May 13th, 2009 at 6:02 am
Quarterback Danny Southwick signed
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woohoo! hopefully this kid can push both Walter & Gradkowski off the roster. we already know they suck!
May 13th, 2009 at 6:03 am
good morning Dirt Lot, Raider O, TW …
May 13th, 2009 at 6:04 am
Is Hwnrdr still banned from this site by his employer?
what ever happened to LMN? rugby accident?
May 13th, 2009 at 6:04 am
Mornin’ Rock, check out the video in 194. You’ll laugh your a$4 off.
May 13th, 2009 at 6:07 am
RR, I think LMN discovered sun dresses & it is Spring in Denmark. I think there are a lot more beautiful woman there than here in Denver per person that is.
May 13th, 2009 at 6:10 am
TW: I heard a lot of women in Denver look like John Elway. horse faced
true or false?
May 13th, 2009 at 6:11 am
HEY ROCKSTAR, WAS DO NOT KNOW ABOUT L M N,AND HWNDR,MISS THERE INPUT THOUGH,WHERE IS 4EVA ?
May 13th, 2009 at 6:14 am
FAlse, just like most of the US a lot of fat people, plain & just plain fugly. For instance, where I work we have about 75 women on the day shift 5 would be considered hot. 5 more passable, the rest well, you know. Just like most places.
May 13th, 2009 at 6:15 am
last night looks like just a bunch of bickering between Oakglenn & Mistabrown
we are all dumber now from reading it and may God have mercy on their souls
May 13th, 2009 at 6:17 am
4eva is probably over at Raider Beat catching up on all the bad reporting. haha
my work banned that site. no big loss!
May 13th, 2009 at 6:17 am
I AM NOT FAT, I AM MY IDEAL WEIGHT..IF I WAS 9′-10″….
May 13th, 2009 at 6:19 am
FAlse, just like most US cities fat, ugly to fugly. Hey, Elway was from Calif. lol. I work with about 75 women during the day & only 5 would be HOT.
May 13th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Morning All,
Lakers by 40. Worth staying up til 1:30 a.m. edt.
May 13th, 2009 at 6:19 am
TW: at my work we have about 200 people and about 3 would be considered hot. 5 are pretty. the rest are straight up dogs!
i’m married though, so it doesn’t really matter
might as well work with a bunch of dudes
May 13th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Sorry for the repost.
May 13th, 2009 at 6:22 am
I hate the Lakers. I hope the Rockets take care of business in Game 6
May 13th, 2009 at 6:23 am
Did you guys check out the Mom’s day video?
May 13th, 2009 at 6:24 am
yeah, DIRT-LOT, I’ve got the body of a GOD!!
Buddha.
May 13th, 2009 at 6:26 am
I THINK THE SOCCER PLAY-OFF’S / CHAMPIONSHIP’S OR WHAT EVER ARE GOING ON IN ENGLAND. L M N IS PROBABLE WATHHING 23 HRS A DAY. WE CALL IT SOCCER, THEY CALL IT FOOTBALL, I CALL IT RECESS..
May 13th, 2009 at 6:28 am
Quarterback Danny Southwick signed
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woohoo! hopefully this kid can push both Walter & Gradkowski off the roster. we already know they suck!
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From where? THE Occidental College. Other alumnae include Jack Kemp, Jim Mora and the great Vance Meuller (oh, and Obama).
May 13th, 2009 at 6:31 am
WE CALL IT SOCCER, THEY CALL IT FOOTBALL, I CALL IT RECESS..
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LOL. me too. I haven’t played soccer since 5th grade
May 13th, 2009 at 6:33 am
BSJ -
Late into last season, Danny was signed to the Louisville Fire arena 2 football team and quickly took over the starting role. Southwick threw 15 touchdowns in only 98 attempts on the year, culminating in a 19/26, 6 touchdown performance against Peoria in the final game of the season. Louisville’s 62 points vs. Peoria were the highest score that Louisville produced all season.
May 13th, 2009 at 6:39 am
IS TIM BROWN BEING A CRY BABY BECAUSE AL DID NOT GRANT HIM A FRONT-OFFICE POSITION ?
May 13th, 2009 at 6:39 am
BSJ -
Obama attended OC from 79-81.
Right now I think they’re more proud of Danny Southwick getting signed by the Raiders.
May 13th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Why doesn’t Tim Brown go ask the Bucs for a front office position?
May 13th, 2009 at 6:50 am
Lorenzo Neal speaks on Darrius Heyward-Bey’s minicamp struggles:
“You know what, I haven’t had the opportunity to talk to him but just as a person, to say hello, seen him in passing, he’s a good young man. He’s a bright guy. He wants to play football. He enjoys the game. You have to realize some of these guys — I’m not saying he is — but a lot of guys are afraid. They walk into the league (and) expectations of those guys because of their salaries and because of so many things, (people say), ‘Oh, this guy is supposed to be great. They paid him all this money.’ No, that’s not how it’s supposed to be. The guy is 20, 22 years old. He’s a young man. He’s just stepping into the National Football League. He’s going to have the jitters. He’s going to have the butterflies. I mean, everyone has been in that spot. I’ve been there. Every great player has been there. You can’t judge the guy now off of two days of minicamp without pads and without learning the offense. You can’t predetermine the fate of a young player, that young, what’s going to be his overall productivity in this National Football League. It’s too early. I think he shows signs of flash. He’s very, very fast. He’s quick off the ball. He’s explosive. I think he’s definitely going to be a deep vertical threat for our team. He’s going to definitely give us an opportunity to win but it’s just about buying into the system. The more comfortable he gets in the system I think the better off this young man will be and we’ve just got to keep pushing.”
-David White (SF Chronicle)
May 13th, 2009 at 6:58 am
WHY, I REPEAT WHY, WOULD ANY BODY LISTEN 2 LORENZO NEAL, HE IS A LEVEL HEADED VETERAN WHO HAS BEEN IN THE LEAGUE FOR YEARS, WHY NOT WRITE THE KID ( DHB ) OFF ALREADY ?
May 13th, 2009 at 6:59 am
Five Qs with Thomas Howard
Since new Raiders defensive coordinator John Marshall is not available for interviews, we’ll ave to rely on player interviews to see what the defense is going to be up to in 2009.
Yes, the minicamp and upcoming OTAs also showed some glimpses, but with no contact, you can only guess where this is really headed.
Here’s weakside linebacker Thomas Howard to give his first impressions on Marshall’s plan.
Q: How different is the defense?
A: It just has to do with being more fundamentally sound. Whenever you get new blood in, you just kind of start from the beginning almost. You break it down. During the offseason we’ve just been going over fundamentals like having the hat outside, hat inside, stuff like that. We still have our Raider 3, the Cover 3, that we’ve been running since before I got here but at the same time we’re going to have some different pressures. We’re still feeling out John, seeing if he’s going to lean toward more pressure or what. But we’re definitely more fundamentally sound. Everybody is loud and kind of understanding because we’re starting all over.”
Q: But are you doing more from a scheme standpoint?
A: That’s what I’m saying. We’re putting in a lot more pressures but you still want to see how it’s going to translate into the games. Even when Rob (Ryan) was here, we did it out here but you still wait to see how it’s going to go in games.”
Q: First impression of Marshall?
A: He’s been around the game for so long. He’s seen it. That’s one thing about John. He’s seen it where teams have went 1-13 and he’s seen it where teams have been 13-1. He’s been to the big dance. He’s been at the top-three in defense. He’s been at the bottom-three in defense. So he’s seen it all. He’s been around so long. He’s also open to, ‘We’re going to run this a certain way but if you see something you like, tell me.’ Right now it’s just fundamentals.”
Q: Is this the most time you’ve spent on fundamentals in the NFL?
A: Yeah we’ve really spent more time on fundamental things, just like one-on-ones, stuff you do in high school. We spent a lot more time doing that since I’ve been here.
Q: Do some guys feel like they’re past the need to go over basics?
A: But when you’re tired in the fourth quarter, those are the things that you’re going to rely on, the fundamentals. Having your head outside of the block or shuffling first, not just trying to get over the top too fast, recognizing what’s going on.
-David White (SF Chronicle)
May 13th, 2009 at 7:03 am
Dirt Lot: because in most cases fans think they are smarter than the owner, coaches and players.
DHB was good one day and bad the next.
ppl who see the glass half empty are going to say he’s a bust because he dropped 3 passes on Day 2.
ppl who see the glass half full are going to say he’s a star because he made some big plays on Day 1.
May 13th, 2009 at 7:05 am
what happened to Jason Jones of the Sac Bee?
he hasn’t posted anything for 3 weeks!
Did he get replaced by Paul Gutierrez?
May 13th, 2009 at 7:07 am
RR they have him covering the kings now
May 13th, 2009 at 7:11 am
see ya DLF!
May 13th, 2009 at 7:16 am
RR they have him covering the kings now
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He’s working under Sam Amick now? bummer. JJ is a huge Lakers fan too. I’m sure he loves covering the Kings. haha
so nobody there will be taking over the Raiders blog?
what kind of crap is that?
Matt Barrows is still active on the 49ers blog!
May 13th, 2009 at 7:24 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 6:39 am
BSJ -
Obama attended OC from 79-81.
Right now I think they’re more proud of Danny Southwick getting signed by the Raiders.
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Strange thing to claim. The OXY community is actually quite proud of Obama’s time there, and it is a very liberal environment. However I remember my time there as a student in the mid 80s and Vance Meuller was revered then, so you may be right. Either way I think I’ll be getting a new black Southwick jersey, LOL.
May 13th, 2009 at 7:28 am
I think I’ll be getting a new black Southwick jersey, LOL.
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He is, after all, our QB of the future. Garcia will be his mentor this year and in 2010 he’ll compete with JaMarcus for the starter role
May 13th, 2009 at 7:36 am
BSJ – if Danny Southwick would have enrolled at BYU in 2003 he might have been a 2nd rounder in the 2007 draft instead of John Beck (now competing for 3rd string on the Ravens)
why couldn’t this kid stay in one place for more than 1 year? he’s got a fear of commitment?
May 13th, 2009 at 7:37 am
Poor kid has a face like Plunkett…
http://www.oxyathletics.com/images/fball/2007teamphotos/roster07_DannySouthwick.jpg
May 13th, 2009 at 7:40 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 7:36 am
BSJ – if Danny Southwick would have enrolled at BYU in 2003 he might have been a 2nd rounder in the 2007 draft instead of John Beck (now competing for 3rd string on the Ravens)
why couldn’t this kid stay in one place for more than 1 year? he’s got a fear of commitment?
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Perhaps the Mormon freaks got to him?
May 13th, 2009 at 7:44 am
BSJ – he signed up at BYU right out of HS. then he never went. opted to go on a mormon mission in Texas for 2 years instead
he’s not afraid of mormons. he is one!
oh well. Steve Young was a late bloomer too
May 13th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Hey IndianaRaider … your comment “like most of the crap the media spews” overlooks the fact that our pal Jerry here is part of the “media” and he has effectively shot down Brown’s irresponsible comments. It’s Brown who did the spewing. AD has a commendable record with regard to racial inclusiveness, and we know this because the media has done a pretty good job reporting it. If you’re seeing a lot of media “spewing” (and some is inevitable), you’re watching the wrong cable news programs.
May 13th, 2009 at 7:48 am
I am referencing comment No. 3
May 13th, 2009 at 7:53 am
If Southwick makes the squad the vets should force him to wear a Pluto headband like BYU’s Jim McMahon.
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LOL! that would be sick!
Kurt Warner? I’ve always had great respect for Kurt
May 13th, 2009 at 8:08 am
If Southwick makes the squad the vets should force him to wear a Pluto headband like BYU’s Jim McMahon.
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Or Morman magic underwear.
May 13th, 2009 at 8:20 am
the mod didn’t take kindly to BSJ’s comments regarding mormons apparently. I wasn’t offended and he was speaking directly to me …
May 13th, 2009 at 8:28 am
RRS,
I agree…thought my comment was relatively tame. I’ll add “Mormon freaks” to my list of banned phrases…right behind the word “sho3s”. Arbitrary bozos…
May 13th, 2009 at 8:29 am
REPOST (to keep mod on his/her toes):
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 7:50 am
I guess the Mormon freaks DID get to him… but if the Oxy kids didn’t already deprogram him, hopefully the Raider environment will broaden his mind.
If Southwick makes the squad the vets should force him to wear a Pluto headband like BYU’s Jim McMahon.
Lets hope he turns out like that other religious arena-league QB who went on to success in the NFL….whats his name again?
May 13th, 2009 at 8:29 am
Giants quarterback Eli Manning and his wife Abby are announcing their donation for a New York City birthing center bearing their names.
The couple will make the announcement Wednesday in the Smith Lobby of St. Vincent’s Hospital in Manhattan.
The state-of-the-art Eli and Abby Manning Birthing Center will focus on natural childbirth and holistic care such as acupuncture.
The Mannings, who don’t have children, donated an undisclosed amount to get the $10 million, five-year project off the ground.
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that’s awesome, isn’t it? why can’t more athlete’s do stuff like this?
Instead we’ve got guys like Javon Walker spraying champagne in Vegas, who ends up getting beaten and robbed. That money could have went to charity!
May 13th, 2009 at 8:34 am
if the Oxy kids didn’t already deprogram him, hopefully the Raider environment will broaden his mind.
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I don’t care if Southwick is mormon or not. I care if he can throw the football better than Walter or Gradkowski! Most likely destined for the practice squad though
He’s younger than Garcia and doesn’t have a lisp
He’s got a stronger arm than Gradkowski
He’s happy to be here, unlike Walter
He’s in better shape than Russell and doesn’t throw the ball at the receiver’s feet
May 13th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Left guard Robert Gallery is running a car-cruise fundraiser June 6 from Dublin to Livermore. All proceeds go to the families of four Oakland police officers killed March 21. The entry fee is $30.
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way to go Bob! anybody going to this event?
May 13th, 2009 at 8:39 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 8:34 am
if the Oxy kids didn’t already deprogram him, hopefully the Raider environment will broaden his mind.
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I don’t care if Southwick is mormon or not. I care if he can throw the football better than Walter or Gradkowski! Most likely destined for the practice squad though
He’s younger than Garcia and doesn’t have a lisp
He’s got a stronger arm than Gradkowski
He’s happy to be here, unlike Walter
He’s in better shape than Russell and doesn’t throw the ball at the receiver’s feet
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Don’t forget he’s got a potato face like Plunkett!
May 13th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Free-agent tackle Alex Boone of Ohio State has two alcohol-related arrests on his resume, the most recent Feb. 2.
The biggest issue concerns the biggest player on the roster, Boone, who’s a 6-foot-7, 328-pounder. He was arrested for driving under the influence in 2006 and on Feb. 2 of this year, he was arrested for public intoxication in Orange County and had to be subdued by Taser – twice. He had been jumping on car hoods, pounding on garage doors and was combative and uncooperative when police arrived.
Given his size, ability and the fact he was a four-year starter at Ohio State, Boone likely would have been drafted if not for a pattern of alcohol abuse. To address the issue, Boone said he is attending Alcoholics Anonymous meetings.
“You know what you did. There’s consequences,” Boone said. “I’m back in AA. I talk to my parents a lot. My family is behind me.”
-John Crumpacker (SF Chronicle)
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LOL!
May 13th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Don’t forget he’s got a potato face like Plunkett!
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Plunkett gave us 4 good years (out of 9), including 2 Super Bowl trophies. I can’t believe he’s not in Canton!
Why would have happened if Dan Pastorini & Marc WIlson never got injured?
Maybe potato face Southwick can fill in for an injured Russell and lead us to the promised land?
May 13th, 2009 at 8:49 am
I don’t see it as a racist thing just a generalization. I think back in the late 80’s and 90’s there could have been some truth to that. If it was an academic school and very difficult for AA to get into, you would think that they were academic first and sports second.
I think Tim used the wrong language. I doubt Al “hated” AA athletes. Maybe he was cautious about drafted them due to the generalization.
May 13th, 2009 at 8:59 am
I’ll bet you Al Davis could care less what Tim Brown (or anyone else for that matter) thinks about him
he’s probably the least racist of any owner in sports.
his actions since 1963 speak louder than Tim Brown’s words a few days ago
May 13th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Pisa Tinoisamoa
May 13th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Davis has been all Raiders all the time for 46 years.
I’m guessing his goal is to make it 50 – with 2 Super Bowl wins in the next 4 or 5 years.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Pisa Tinoisamoa
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DR: God bless you!
May 13th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Jerry,
Thanks for posting those two articles. Of course, there’s only 1 person on here who is still convinced Al Davis is a racist…I just wonder if the “they” that told Tim Brown about the supposed racist comments are the same “they” that told him that John Madden held us back from winning superbowls.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Height: 6-1 Weight: 240
Born: Jul 15, 1981 – San Diego, CA
College: Hawaii
Draft: 2003 – 2nd round (11th pick) by the St. Louis Rams
Was just cut by the Rams..
Looks like a fit for SLB, if San Diego doesn’t pick him up first.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:13 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Pisa Tinoisamoa
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DR: God bless you!
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No, god D@M me if we don’t stop the RUN!!
May 13th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Tim Brown was always the go to reciever on the third downs. I could care less about whether he called his own play. For most of his career in Oakland he was sure to get open and catch the ball on third down.
Oh, and he is the only Wr in the HISTORY of the game to catch at least 75 passes in 10 consecutive seasons.
Tim Brown 13.7 yards per catch
Chris Carter 12.9
Marvin Harrison 13.2
Andre Reed 13.9
A. Boldin 12.9
May 13th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Back in 2002, Pisa Tinoisamoa led the St. Louis Rams in tackles. He became the first rookie in franchise history to pull off that feat. He also had the most tackles on the team in 2004, 2005 and 2008. Friday, he was released from the Rams — likely a cost-saving measure since he would have counted $4.25 million against the salary cap this season and was signed through 2011.
After landing James Laurinaitis in the second round of the draft, the Rams will likely slide Chris Draft to the strong-side and let the rookie Laurinaitis start in the middle from the get-go.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:17 am
No, GD me if we don’t stop the RUN!!
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Dirty: I wouldn’t say that brother. We haven’t been able to stop the run in 5 years!
May 13th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Rockstar, If god has seen the things I have done while at RAIDER games, or while watching RAIDER games, I am goin to he!! anyway! But if we don’t turn it around in a big way this year, I might get there sooner than I want to… Ya know?
May 13th, 2009 at 9:20 am
TED WILLIAMS!
May 13th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Looks like a fit for SLB, if San Diego doesn’t pick him up first.
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the Chargers get Shawne Merriman back healthy. Plus they added Kevin Burnett from Dallas and drafted Larry English in Round 1.
trust me. they’re not interested
If PT was such an awesome player why did the Rams cut him? there defense has been terrible as long as ours has!
We drafted Norris & Sulak. UDFA Nixon has been impressive in camp. Ricky Brown is healthy.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Now that the draft is over and minicamps are under way, general managers and personnel executives are back at work looking to fill the remaining holes on their respective rosters.
With depth charts firmly in hand, team officials are working the phones hoping to land a savvy veteran capable of pushing their team over the top in 2009. Although most of the top free agents have already signed with teams, there are a handful of available veterans with the ability to serve as key contributors on playoff-ready squads.
While there is some risk with most of the veterans due to their age or injury history, teams doing their due diligence may uncover an old hand with a little more juice left in the tank.
Second opinion
Not all lists are created equal. Here’s another look at the 10 best players still available through free agency, this time from NFL.com senior columnist Vic Carucci. Did our experts get it right? Check out the lists and comment below.
1. Edgerrin James, RB: Asking him to be a primary back is asking too much. But he could make a significant impact for a team that is selective about how it uses him.
2. Jason Taylor, DE/OLB: It’s important that he is in the right system with the right surrounding players. By all counts, that system is the Patriots’ 3-4 scheme. Taylor also has the smarts to quickly grasp the complexities of New England’s defense.
3. Derrick Brooks, OLB: Brooks’ thorough understanding of the Tampa 2 and his ability get himself and his teammates in position to make it function properly, make him worth considering.
4. Jon Runyan, OT: Runyan could be a serviceable player, although there is potential that he might be too much of a liability, particularly in pass protection.
5. Marvin Harrison, WR: For a team needing a receiver in a pinch, he could make sense. But he is not anyone’s answer for a consistent playmaking threat.
6. Chris McAlister, CB: Won’t likely be considered any sooner than June, when he’s expected to receive clearance to work out fully after undergoing arthroscopic knee surgery.
7. Dre’ Bly, CB: A move to free safety could allow him to make some level of contribution.
8. Amani Toomer, WR: He doesn’t bring anything in the way of big-play impact, but he still runs routes well and has good hands.
9. Warrick Dunn, RB: Every team needs a part-time back to spell the starter and even replace the No. 2 man who gets substantial carries.
10. Wayne Gandy, OT: Even after 15 seasons, he still has what it takes to be a decent backup.
Here is a look at the best available free agents still on the market:
1. Levi Jones, OT: The talented offensive tackle was deemed expendable by the Bengals after missing parts of the last three seasons with a litany of injuries. In spite of his durability issues, Jones ranks among the top 10 at the position when healthy. With franchise-caliber offensive tackles hard to come by, teams lacking a legitimate edge blocker will make a strong push to sign Jones in the coming weeks.
Possible landing spots: Broncos or Bills
2. Pisa Tinoisamoa, LB: As the Rams’ leading tackler in four of his six seasons with the team, Tinoisamoa displayed outstanding instincts, awareness and athleticism. He has a strong nose for the ball, and is an ideal fit at weak-side linebacker in a Tampa-2 scheme. Teams not scared off by Tinoisamoa’s small stature (reportedly played at 220 pounds last season) will look to add the veteran playmaker to their roster.
Possible landing spots: Buccaneers, Bills, Colts and Patriots
3. Edgerrin James, RB: The four-time Pro Bowler is on the downside of an illustrious career, which includes back-to-back rushing titles (1999 and 2000), and 12,121 career rushing yards. Even though James only rushed for 514 yards last season, scouts watched him ignite the Cardinals’ woeful rush offense during their Super Bowl run. With the ten-year veteran showing he has something left, expect a team to add James to its roster as a valuable insurance policy.
Possible landing spot: Saints
4. Plaxico Burress, WR: The former Super Bowl hero faces legal woes that threaten to derail his 2009 season, but Burress could be coveted once his case — and the impending suspension from the league — is resolved. As a big, athletic playmaker with a penchant for playing well in important games, Burress is the top target that playoff contenders could look to down the stretch.
Possible landing spots: Jets or Bears
5. Amani Toomer, WR: The crafty pass catcher has quietly amassed 668 receptions in his 13-year career. Although he lacks the speed and explosiveness to be a No. 1 receiver at 34, Toomer’s experience and dependability would boost any passing game. Teams looking to add a top-notch possession receiver will likely make a play for Toomer in the coming weeks.
Possible landing spot: Bears
6. Jason Taylor, DE: The venerable sack master is coming off a subpar campaign in his only season with the Redskins, but had put together three straight years with double-digit sacks to close out his tenure in Miami. While the 12-year veteran has hinted at the possibility of retirement, he still possesses exceptional rush skills and has the potential to tally 10-plus sacks as a situational player in the right scheme. With sacks coming at a premium, teams will intensify their pursuit of Taylor prior to the opening of training camp.
Possible landing spot: Patriots
7. Chris McAlister, CB: The three-time Pro Bowler’s game has declined of late as age and injuries have robbed him of some of his trademark athleticism. However, McAlister still ranks as an above-average cover man, and has the tools to be a quality starter in the right situation. With several teams in desperate need of a veteran corner, McAlister will be a hot commodity once he fully recovers from his knee injury.
Possible landing spot: Browns
8. Mark Tauscher, OT: The long-time starter with the Packers would likely be off the market if not for the season-ending knee injury he suffered during the final weeks of 2008. He is regarded as a solid offensive tackle, and will be considered an upgrade at the position for most teams. With several organizations entering the season with shaky offensive line situations, Tauscher will garner strong consideration as training camp looms.
Possible landing spots: Packers or Vikings
9. Jon Runyan, OT: The 13-year veteran has been the model of consistency at the position. As a tough, hard-nosed blocker with a nasty demeanor, Runyan excels at mauling defenders in the running game. In addition, he has continued to be solid in pass protection despite a slow erosion of athleticism due to injuries. Though Runyan is still on the mend from microfracture surgery on his right knee, the veteran will continue to remain on the radar for teams in search of a veteran to stabilize their right tackle spot.
Possible landing spots: Eagles, Vikings and Patriots
10. Marvin Harrison, WR: Among the most prolific receivers to ever play the game, Harrison has long been regarded as one of the elite players at the position. However, the eight-time Pro Bowler has struggled with injuries the past two seasons and his game has deteriorated rapidly as a result. While Harrison’s career production will lead some teams to ponder the possibility of adding him to their roster, he may have a tough time finding work due to his advanced age (36), injury history and unsuitable fit in West Coast offenses.
Possible landing spot: Colts
May 13th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Pisa Tinoisamoa will probably land in Denver or KC and will enjoy getting trucked by Lorenzo Neal and Michael Bush very soon
May 13th, 2009 at 9:25 am
I am a Tim Brown fan but I am not sure were TB is going with this one. Al has shown some strides to get talented African American coaches and players a shot in this league. He gave Art Shell two shots in this league. The statement really does not make a lot of sense to me neither. What makes Notredame African American Athletes anymore intellegent than any black athlete that is college educated. It sounds like TB was trying to pump himself up more than anything and it back fired.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Rockstar, PT is a legit starter at SOLB! Not a project!!
If one of the guys you mentioned works out then great we will have good depth, and someone to take PT’s place when we are done with him. He is still a safer/better, more expernaced LB then what we have on the strond side.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:26 am
****GET OFF OF RUSSELL’S BACK*******
I really don’t get the assumption that Russell does not work hard at Quarterback. I keep hearing all of these articles talking about his commitment to getting better and his weight, etc, etc, etc…. I think it is a lot like leading up to the draft. Most of these so called Analysts just get their content from other analysts comments rather than accurate sources. Fans do the same thing. I get so tired of seeing the same comments on Jerry’s Blog such as “what is Russells weight? Did Russell miss a pass? For crying put loud it is the first camp man. Plus, I bet you it is the fat group Raider Nation fans that comment on Russells weight.
Cable’s comments months ago were him challenging a young QB to get better. That is what he is supose to do as a head coach motivating a young QB to take more of a leadership role. I guess we should have taken Cutler? Now there is a team player and leader or how about Lienart? Now that guy has an accurate arm. Give me a break! Well what about Young? He was a skinny fast dude that was available in the draft and a pian in the @$$ with a bad attitude. Russell has an amazing upside and he never had a veteran like Kurt Warner or a Brett Farve like Aaron Rodgers did sitting on the sideline.
Look Russell is a big man from the south who is soft spoken. He played as a big guy at LSU and he can move for a big man he is not flat footed. Just let the guy develop and get off his back.
For the last time Russell does not lack confidence on the field it is in front of the cameras because public speaking is not one of his strong points if you have not noticed. Neither was it for the great Farve from the south when he first came into the league.
Lets wait and see.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:27 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Pisa Tinoisamoa will probably land in Denver or KC and will enjoy getting trucked by Lorenzo Neal and Michael Bush very soon
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If so great, but we NEED better play at that posisition NOW!!!! PT would do just that.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:31 am
thanks for that list of available FA’s Dirty!
I’d kick the tires on WR Toomer as well as OT’s Tauscher, Runyan, L. Jones and Gandy …
May 13th, 2009 at 9:32 am
I doubt Tim was called all a racist. I wish we could hear the entire interview and not just a piece of it.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:36 am
I meant called “Al” a racist.
If anyone were to ask Tim is he thought Al was a racist, I bet he would say “NO”.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Rockstar, PT is a legit starter at SOLB! Not a project!!
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DR: he played weak side LB for the Rams. That’s Thomas Howard’s job here in Oakland. he’s speedy & undersized, which is exactly what we already have on the roster …
May 13th, 2009 at 9:39 am
What I don’t understand is, why can’t one journalist, just one, for crying out loud, contact Tim Brown to get a clearer explanation of his statement? We don’t even know if he was talking about Al. As people here have been saying, he just says “they”. Who is “they”? Just ask him! Instead, the sports media, in lockstep, are just auto-dismissing Tim Brown’s statement to appease their mostly conservative consumer base.
A black athlete who makes a racism accusation had better have an audio tape, or he’s merely rebel rousing. That’s not journalism. Journalism is simply asking him. It could be that if this were followed up on, Tim might just retract the statement. Then this is over.
If Tim stands by what he said, the media has to at least ask Al Davis about it. Of course Al will deny it. But he also denied that there was a rift between him and Kiffin when the stories first broke early in ‘08, and also denied he was firing Shell after the ‘06 season, only to fire him a short time later. Al’s denial is not exactly something to bank on.
For those of you (including Jerry) who keep saying that Al can’t be a racist because of his record in hiring minorities and his actions taken in the ’60s to defend black players against segregation, if Al Davis told one of his players that he doesn’t like black athletes from their college, I’m sorry, that IS racist, no matter how you cut it. People do change. Plus, Al Davis’s rather small role in the civil rights struggle (in comparison to the role of, say, Martin Luther King Jr.) was business oriented. In short, Al was interested in black football players, and nothing else. And, sure, he should be commended for creating opportunities for black athletes that weren’t available in some parts of the country at that time. But those business related actions from a half century ago are not iron clad evidence that Al Davis can not be a racist. Don’t be ridiculous.
Again, we don’t know what happened, and we all know Tim can be a drama queen. But to dismiss his claims without even following up and asking him to clarify? Call that what you want, Jerry, but it’s not journalism.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Some of you guys are acting like Al Davis’s record on race relations is beyond reproach…like Al was marching in Birmingham and getting the fire hose from the cops. Al signed black football players, for crying out loud, and hired a black coach, a black coach who Al barely even allowed to coach the team, btw. Give me a break. Tim’s probably exaggerating. But this needs to be followed up on. Because if there is an owner in the NFL who’s going up to his players and telling them that he doesn’t like black athletes from their college, he has to go.
May 13th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Brown’s bizarre claim??
How about the sports media’s bizarre coverage of the story, Jerry?
Call Tim Brown, Jerry. Get a follow up. You cover the Raiders. A future Raiders’ hall of famer has just said that Al Davis, or someone in the Raiders’ brass, made a bigoted remark toward him. Follow up on it, Jerry.
You wanted to be a journalist. This is your chance. You can do it.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Luckily for Tim Brown and Raider fans who don’t like to choose sides, Al Davis doesn’t think much of the media and their stories.
Timmy probably already called Al Davis and appologized for dragging his name in the mud. Told Al he was misquoted. They twisted his words, etc etc. You’ll see Tim at one of the Raider games sitting next to Al in the box drinking Ensure together sometime this season
May 13th, 2009 at 10:03 am
any Pacman Jones sightings in Oakland yet?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:08 am
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Morning to you as well MR……I think the ND brass told him that….but its ALL spectulation…did we forget who hired the first blkack coach…drafteed the first black QB hred the first latino coach,,,,and ohh yhea I’m pretty sure we are the only team in the leauge….(besides the rams…and shes the owner i think) that has a WOMEN in thaty high of a postion….anyways I’m sure this has all benn said already just mho……..
May 13th, 2009 at 10:09 am
good afternoon OAKlifer …
May 13th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Heyward-Bey was relaxed. Comfortable, even.
He must maintain that mellow mien the rest of his Raiders career, or for however long Michael Crabtree is in San Francisco.
Make no mistake, the Great Bay Area Wideout Debate is on, and it led to another classic Heyward-Bey sound bite when asked if he would keep track of Crabtree. Especially because the Raiders passed on the consensus No. 1 receiving prospect and Crabtree seemed relieved that Al Davis eschewed him.
“I don’t think we’re like Kobe (Bryant) and LeBron (James) yet, checking on each other’s stats or anything like that,” Heyward-Bey said with a laugh. “Not right now.
“I just have to worry about getting into this playbook and making this team. That’s all I can worry about right now.”
Again, more humility from a first-rounder. Will wonders ever cease? Heyward-Bey has an impressive build, is no skinny burner and showed flashes of why the Raiders fell in love with him.
Down the left sideline, on a 40-yard bomb from third-string quarterback Bruce Gradkowski, he beat reserve cornerback Darrick Brown not with his 4.23 speed, but with – gulp – his body control on a jump ball.
“He had good, sure hands today,” said quarterback JaMarcus Russell, so take that, draft geeks. “I saw him catch a lot of balls with his hands instead of … some new guys, young guys, use their chest.
“He’s going to open a lot of eyes … (and) be pretty good.”
-Paul Gutierrez (Sac Bee)
May 13th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Rockstar, I hope it turns out that way. As much as I don’t like Al Davis as a GM, I’ve always liked him as an owner. The statement was made by Brown. I think it should be investigated, if Tim Brown doesn’t retract the statement publicly. If there’s an owner in the NFL going up to his black players and making bigoted remarks like that, he needs to be yanked out of the league like a dead weed. The media has to follow up and get a clarification from Brown, and drill him. What better way to figure out if he’s lying? Keep asking him questions. Trip him up. Instead, they’re just in auto-dismiss mode. This way, we never know. This way, people like me keep bringing it up!
If the media would just do their job and follow up on the issue, it would give us a better picture as to rather or not Tim is lying. You saw what Kate Couric did to Sarah Palin. Exposed her dumb ass. Jerry can do the same to Tim Brown. That’s what the media is supposed to do. My thinking is they don’t want to follow up on it because they know it might be true, and they’ve heard rumblings before of Davis saying things like this to players. And, they just don’t want to open this can of worms. Until the sports media follows up on the issue, I’m left to believe this. Right now, my biggest beef is with the sports media for turning the other cheek to the issue. Coward journalism.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Will someone tell me how Tim Brown got to be called Mr. Raider? Anyone who could be called that would have to have 100% loyalty, and that’s something TB is a little short on. Who would threaten to sign with the Broncos (who could forget that?) and be called Mr. Raider? Who would play half-hearted the last few years of his career to avoid injury and be called Mr. Raider? Give me a break! Who quote something Al Davis said, knowing some of the over-sensitive public would label him a racist? I’ll tell you who, and he ain’t no “Mr. Raider”!
May 13th, 2009 at 10:15 am
We live in a way too politically correct world these days. Al makes this off the cuff comment about a BUSINESS decision, and now he is a racist. So he doesn’t like black guys from Notre Dame, big deal. He probably doesn’t like white QB’s from USC either. If he passes on a black dude from Notre Dame to draft a black guy from the south, is he a racist?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Al signed black football players, for crying out loud, and hired a black coach, a black coach who Al barely even allowed to coach the team, btw.
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LOL you mean a HOF raider…who had two chances to coach this team do not confuse Shells Talent at coaching with Al being racsist….Shelll Great lineman…horrible coach…imho….
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Because if there is an owner in the NFL who’s going up to his players and telling them that he doesn’t like black athletes from their college, he has to go.
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Did you even read the story no one ever said AL him self said anything…..LOL I know its useless but just pointing out a few facts……and here is an interesting link tyo anybody who would like to know how guys like MR can spread rumors…IF ITS PRINTED enough people will belive…silly sheep
http://news.moneycentral.msn.com/provider/providerarticle.aspx?feed=AP&date=20090511&id=9890029
May 13th, 2009 at 10:16 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:26 am
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May 13th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Jerry, I hope the ghost of Howard Cossell haunts you and makes you squirt hersheys every night for the rest of your life. Lockstep journalism is not journalism!
May 13th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Maybe black guys from Notre Dame do have a soft reputation in the league. If I was an NBA team, I wouldn’t draft white guys from Duke, they all stink and are soft.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Vegas Raider, I thought we were beyond racism? If it’s ok for Al Davis to go up to his players and say that he doesn’t like black players from Notre Dame, would it be ok if an employer you were trying to get a job with, who was black, told you that he doesn’t like white guys from Las Vegas?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:21 am
As a ND fan I must say I can’t blame any GM for not drafting ANY player from ND, black or white since 1993 or so. We suck!
May 13th, 2009 at 10:21 am
********The Real MaddenRaider Lets talk*************
I agree with what you are saying about Al’s record being beyond reproach but I am just saying it does not seem like the shoe fits. I do not think Al was the main man of the civil rights movements he was trying to get athletes to win Super bowl rings. The fastest, the strongest, the most competitive, and quick thinking athletes that just happened to be a number of African American men who fit this profile in smaller colleges and Universities that Al could target. So Al did go out there and get them, which besides his motive was a good thing for African American Athletes but not the civil rights movement in general.
Now I just don’t see where Al hating an African American from Notre dame makes since when he drafted African American’s from other colleges and Universities. What makes Notre dame so intellectually special that they would take the money and run away and start a business? This could have been accomplished by any African American from any college. To me it just sounds like Tim was trying to pump his own self up in a “discreet” way. Think about it he is an intelligent, black, athlete, entrepreneur, wealthy, Notre Dame Graduate. Al took Tim and he was a Raider legend so why would that deter Al from getting more “Mr. Raiders” from Notre dame. From a practical business stand point it does not make sense. Now with this being said, it does not elevate Davis beyond reproach.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Vegas Raider, your apologetic attitude toward bigotry is surprising. You’ve always claimed to be beyond racism, and that people should just get over it. Now you’re saying racism is ok. What’s up with that?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:22 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Rockstar, PT is a legit starter at SOLB! Not a project!!
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DR: he played weak side LB for the Rams. That’s Thomas Howard’s job here in Oakland. he’s speedy & undersized, which is exactly what we already have on the roster …
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Pisa Tinoisamoa – #50
Strongside Linebacker – St. Louis Rams
sports.yahoo.com
I did not watch Tinoisamoa, nor the Rams much last year, but it looks like he did play SOLB for a few years and 6′1″ 240 lbs. is not undersized for a SOLB.!
May 13th, 2009 at 10:22 am
He could tell me whatever he wants. If he’s wrong, than he is the one who has to pay for it. If Al is wrong and missing out on all these great black Notre Dame players, it’s his loss isn’t it?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:23 am
MR: unlike Gannon & Sapp, Rod Woodson & Tim Brown are sort of Raider homers. I like that. They try to give Al Davis and the Raiders the benefit of the doubt – even when Davis acts crazy like last offseason.
I don’t think Brown or Davis will pursue this in public. Most likely it’s been dealt with already in private. Why would either of them let this matter go unresolved? It’s not like a Kiffin situation where Davis owes him money or anything …
May 13th, 2009 at 10:24 am
CJ, and Oaklifer,
What better way to get a clearer picture as to rather or not the shoe fits than for the media to dig further into the issue? What better way to find out if Tim’s exaggerating or flat out making it up? Right now, it’s “nope, he’s lying”, without any investigation into the matter whatsoever. Why can’t the media just contact Tim Brown for a clarification? That’s all I’m asking for. Anyhow, I’m at a hotel in LA and have to check out. I’ll get at you guys later tonight.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Oops! Looks like he is a WOLB and 220 lbs. Hmmm
Coach Steve Spagnuolo likes bigger linebackers, and one thing Pisa Tinoisamoa lacks is size. The Rams have released the veteran linebacker, who led the team in tackles last season with 135, but really doesn’t fit into Spagnuolo’s overall vision for the defense at 220 pounds.
With the move, Chris Draft likely will move over to man the starting strongside linebacker position and second-round draft pick James Laurinaitis becomes the starting middle linebacker.
“This was a difficult decision based on a lot of factors,” Spagnulo said in a statement released by the team. “I have a great deal of respect for Pisa and wish him all the best.”
Tinoisamoa, 27, was a second-round draft pick by the Rams out of Hawaii in 2003. That season, he became the first rookie in franchise history to lead the team in tackles. He registered 121 stops for the Rams’ 2003 NFC West division championship squad. He also led the squad in stops in ‘04 (with 145) and ‘05 (with 134).
At his best, Tinoisamao played with speed and passion. He could go sideline to sideline, and wasn’t afraid to take on blockers _ be they fullbacks or 330-pound blockers. But he had a tendency to overrun plays, and while willing, frequently would get wiped out by those bigger blockers.
Hand, knee, shoulder, elbow, and ankle injuries struck in ‘06 and ‘07, forcing Tinoisamoa to miss 12 of 32 games. But he stayed healthy last season, playing all 16 games for the fourth time in six NFL seasons.
Tinoisamoa was scheduled to be an unrestricted free agent following the 2006 season, but five games into that campaign he signed a $24.7 million contract extension through 2011. This coming season, TInoisamoa was scheduled to make a base salary of $3.25 million and count $4.25 million against the cap.
Releasing him frees up $2.25 million in cap space. Once they sign their rookies and pay off some incentives and escalators that kick in on other contracts, the Rams would have been tight against the cap prior to Tinoisamoa’s release.
Tinoisamoa basically became a man without a position when the new coaching staff decided to switch Will WItherspoon from middle linebacker to Tinoisamoa’s weakside linebacker spot earlier this offseason. With Laurinaitis and Draft in the middle that left only the strongside position for Tinoisamoa.
The strongside position frequently requires the linebacker to take on tight ends, and at 220 pounds, Tinoisamoa is far from ideal size for that role.
Barring the addition of another veteran in free agency, the Rams are paper thin at the position, at least in terms of proven talent. Current backups Larry Grant, David Vobora, Chris Chamberlain are fringe players. Quinton Culberson opened the 2008 season at strongside linebacker, but played poorly and was replaced by Draft in the lineup after just three games.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Vegas Raider, so then you’re ok with bigotry. That’s fine. You’re not alone. Most Americans aren’t. Call it politically correct all you will but most Americans just want to get beyond racism, and we’ll never do that if there are employers making the type of bigoted remarks that you’re sympathetic of, be the employer a black stock broker or a white NFL owner. I’ll talk to you later, Vegas. I’ve got check out of a hotel.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:27 am
But I do agree with you on one point, MR, where’s the follow-up? Would be a good time for the Bay Area press to make a name for themselves and ask a few tough questions to Brown (I’m sure we all know Al will give a “blanket” press release along the lines of Jerry’s two links).
May 13th, 2009 at 10:27 am
I have to side with MaddenRaider on part of his argument…IF Al Davis really said what Brown claims then I think it is racism in that moment no matter what else he has done for race relations over the years.
But I highly doubt he said it and Tim B better clear thing up very quickly, and he better name who “they” are and let them explain what what said by Al Davis.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:31 am
MaddenRaider, don’t wait for the media to investigate… you’ll be waiting a long time. Just work the web… google, wikipedia, etc. and you’ll see for yourself.
Al Davis has proved he is color-blind in the personnel decisions he has made for decades. He’s in it to win it, even if oompa loompas had to get involved. That’s not in dispute.
What he said is quoted by Tim Brown. Brown said, “Meeting Al (Davis) was pretty unique. I found out five or ten minutes after my first practice there that he hated African-American athletes from Notre Dame. And they literally told me that. They literally told me that because we’re known for using our education more than our athletic ability that he thought that I would be one of these guys that would basically take the money and run. I don’t know if that was a ploy to get me amped up, but it certainly worked.”
I’m not sure how “he” turns into “they,” but let’s just overlook that for a moment.
You can say you don’t like the motivational technique, but the “racist” and “bigot” label is tossed around too easy. It’s 2009! By now we should be less sensitive. To see the constant magnification of everything preceived as racism makes it hard for me to keep my food down. “We shall overcome… someday!” Someday? How about today! Yes, the sooner the better.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:31 am
If it’s ok for Al Davis to go up to his players and say that he doesn’t like black players from Notre Dame,
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HERE IS WHAT THE STORY READS::::::::::::
HERE IT IS: ““Meeting Al was pretty unique,” Brown said, via SportsRadioInterviews.com by way of MJD’s Shutdown Corner at Yahoo! Sports. “I found out five or ten minutes after my first practice there that he hated African-American athletes from Notre Dame. And they literally told me that. They literally told me that because we’re known for using our education more than our athletic ability that he thought that I would be one of these guys that would basically take the money and run. I don’t know if that was a ploy to get me amped up, but it certainly worked.”
THEY TOLD ME / THEY TOLD ME /THEY TOLD ME
I know its hard to comprehend but the term THEY does not mead AL DAVIS…..just sayin.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:32 am
IMO i think this thing with AL is more of a USC vs ND thing…those 2 schools have been rivals for how long ? and if i remember right didnt AL coach at USC..i still believe it has more to do with a school then any color of a player..IF and IMO is a big IF he even said anything at all
May 13th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Yikes, I need to proof my comments before hitting submit!
May 13th, 2009 at 10:32 am
I just don’t think one incident makes someone something. I’ve been wasted before; I’m not a drunk. We’ve all probably stole something before; we are not thieves. Al made a bigoted comment; he’s not a racist.
Drafting black guys from Notre Dame is a business decision, bigoted or not. If he wants to stereotype players and schools, he won’t be the first.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Pisa Tinoisamoa
Height: 6′1″
Weight: 240 lbs
Position: Weak-side linebacker
Mahalo.com
“The speedy undersized OLB was St. Louis’ leading tackler last season.”
http://www.stampedeblue.com/2009/5/8/869977/rams-release-pisa-tinoisamoa
“Coach Steve Spagnuolo likes bigger linebackers, and one thing Pisa Tinoisamoa lacks is size”
http://ballhype.com/story/updated_st_louis_rams_release_pisa_tinoisamoa/
May 13th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Dakota,
How did you like the Laker blowout?
May 13th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Vegas Raider,
You usually have pretty intellegent comments in the blog. Don’t mistake being politically correct with just making steryotipical comments and the door does swing both ways. The great thing about NFL football is every player is unique they can from big programs, small programs. They can be black, white, hispanic, Native American, Democrats, Republicans, Christans, Muslem but once they get to the big show called the NFL it is all about production wins and losses.
This was not about being politically correct this was about a possible American employer being offensive to an a high paid American employee and to me my friend that is just simply rude.
Now personally I think this whole thing has been taken out of context because Mr Raider wanted to work for Al as a Consultant and he never asked to be traded until his record could not be broken. So I never felt Tim Brown was threatend and Al made him a rich man. : )
May 13th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Exla,
It was fun to watch, but now the heart test kicks in…can they finish the job in game 6?
I’d like to see Sasha hit some shots for once…could have been a 50 point win, lol.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:36 am
If he wants to stereotype players and schools, he won’t be the first.
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yeah. MR stereotypes Al Davis all the time, even though Davis says “I’d rather be right than consistant”
May 13th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Tim Brown is now banned from HQ,…got it from my source whos never wrong.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:39 am
CJ,
I appreciate the back-handed compliment. I think Al is in the wrong, it was rude, stupid, and bigoted, no doubt. I just think it was more of the exception than the rule.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:41 am
This was not about being politically correct this was about a possible American employer being offensive to an a high paid American employee and to me my friend that is just simply rude.
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racism exists in every country in the world CJ. It always has and it always will. is it acceptable? no. is there freedom of speech? yes. would any black people care if MLK Jr. called some white guy a honky? no. this is all moot anyways.
Davis is the most NON racist owners in sports
May 13th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Proof reeddin wats thsaat??\
May 13th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Dakota,
Lakers close them in 6. It was nice to be able to laugh through the 2nd half. Made staying up until 1:30 edt worth it.
May 13th, 2009 at 10:47 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 10:41 am
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Davis is the most NON racist owners in sports
I agree!!
May 13th, 2009 at 10:51 am
i got some work to do. see you guys later on
May 13th, 2009 at 11:00 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 13th, 2009 at 10:41 am
This was not about being politically correct this was about a possible American employer being offensive to an a high paid American employee and to me my friend that is just simply rude.
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racism exists in every country in the world CJ. It always has and it always will. is it acceptable? no. is there freedom of speech? yes. would any black people care if MLK Jr. called some white guy a honky? no. this is all moot anyways.
Davis is the most NON racist owners in sports
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Raider Rockstar there are millions of black people out there that would care if MLk Jr. called some white guy a honky. Even MLK would care because he would be lowering himslef to what he tried to accomplish up to the point where he was murdered.
Now I don’t know AL personally never had one conversation with him so I reserve the right to say if he is or not. But from first impression and record I would say not. Players seem to like Al Davis it is the media that hates the guy.
Wait a minute AL can’t be a racist for crying out loud what am I thinking he gave Walker and Hall a chance they should not even had a shot.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:02 am
Jason Taylor just inked a 4 yr deal with Miami.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:06 am
SI had this on the site, not sure if it was shared or not but its regarding Javon
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/ross_tucker/05/13/walker/index.html
May 13th, 2009 at 11:07 am
What about the bigotry shown toward AD by the use by many of the je3 terminology. Isn’t that a form of racism?
May 13th, 2009 at 11:11 am
From the SI article:
“All of which brings us back to the Walker saga in Oakland. His secret surgery is virtually unprecedented and a clear violation of the standard NFL player contract, which requires the player to make the club aware of any health issues he is having or medical people he consults.”
AD has the means to cut Walker without paying him if he wants.
May 13th, 2009 at 11:16 am
They are on the hook to pay him unless he retired and then its a legal issue to recoup the $$.
Bad signing that keeps on getting worse
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