Live Raiders chat with Jerry McDonald today at 1 p.m. PDT
By Jon Becker
Tuesday, May 12th, 2009 at 7:39 am in Oakland Raiders.
Which Raiders rookies and newcomers looked the best at this past weekend’s minicamp? Our Jerry McDonald will provide the answers during our live chat today (Tuesday) at 1 p.m. PDT on our “Inside the Raiders” blog.
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May 12th, 2009 at 7:40 am
1st
May 12th, 2009 at 7:54 am
2nd?
May 12th, 2009 at 7:57 am
# Mistabrown Says:
May 11th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Walker wont be ready for the start of training camp.
The end.
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-HIGGINS
-BEY
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I guess this guy mistabrown can get three guys on the depth chart. Once you get past the number three he has a very hard time counting. BTW, Shilens is spelled wrong, and it’s actually Heyward-Bey. But why would any of us think he would actually spell the names of the players?? He can’t even spell his own name right.
May 12th, 2009 at 7:57 am
with Javon Walker sidelined (yet again) due to injury, Samie Parker becomes the veteran presence in camp.
Is this really an upgrade over Drew Carter or Ashley Lelie? I don’t think so.
I would have given Walker & Shields extra reps to DHB & Murphy …
Since they are hamstrung that means more work for Higgins, Schilens, Holland, Watkins and the undrafted kids. Why make the WR corps even more crowded?
May 12th, 2009 at 8:03 am
Gimme Schilens & DHB, Bush at RB, Miller, and Mcf playing reggie bush all over the field. I don’t expect anything from jamon walker.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:11 am
I read that BS about Tim Brown claiming Al is a racist (but only against black players from ND) that MR posted last night. Sounds like a very bitter ex-employee too me. If Tim Brown actually thought Al, the guy that hired the first black HC in Shell and hired Flores as HC, and drafted one of the first black QBs, etc is really racist then why has Timmy been begging for a job with Al Davis and the Raiders for the past couple of offseasons?
Looks like Tim didn’t get his way and now he is trying to get his revenge.
Besides, Al Drafted Nnamdi, a bright black man from Cal, and seems to have treated him well, so is it just smart black guys from ND? Really? Come on.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:13 am
QB: Russell, Garcia, Gradkowski
RB: McFadden, Bush, Fargas
FB: Neal, Lawton
WR: DHB, Schilens, Higgins, Walker, Murphy
TE: Miller, Myers, Stewart
LT: Henderson, Barnes
LG: Gallery, Wilson
C: Satele, Wade
RG: Carlisle, Johnson
RT: Green, Pears
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What chances do you guys give these guys of cracking the 53 man roster on offense?
Arman Shields, Jonathan Holland, Todd Watkins, Samie Parker, Paul McQuistan, Chris Morris, James Marten, Andrew Walter, Darrell Strong, Gary Russell, Louis Rankin, Marcel Reece and undrafted rookies Nick Miller, Shawn Bayes, Chris O’Neill, Jonathan Compas
May 12th, 2009 at 8:25 am
DE: Burgess, Scott
UT: Kelly, Joseph
NT: Warren, Sands
DE: Richardson, Shaughnessy
OLB: R. Brown, Alston, Sulak
MLB: Morrison, Brown, Ekejiuba
OLB: Howard, Norris, Sulak
CB: Asomugha, Routt
FS: Huff, Eugene
SS: Mitchell, Branch
CB: Johnson, Bowie
What chances do you guys give these guys of cracking the 53 man roster on defense?
Greyson Gunheim, Derrick Gray, Ryan Boschetti, Sam Williams, Darrick Brown, Jason Horton and undrafted rookies Jerome Boyd, Desmond Bryant, Frantz Joseph, David Nixon
May 12th, 2009 at 8:26 am
hello!
anybody home?
May 12th, 2009 at 8:29 am
RRS,
I think Holland has a good chance to steal Arman Shields’ roster spot, if he doesn’t recover from that knee injury. Holland has pretty good size and speed, he was activated for a few games last season and he can return kicks.
McQuistan is a stud, he will back-up at LT and LG
Chris Morris could beat out John Wade because of his versatility and youth
I am surprised Darrell Strong didn’t do more last year, he looked good in the pre-season and at 265lbs he is our biggest TE.
Marcel Reece is another guy that I am really curious about. At 6′2″ 230 he runs a 4.45 or something like that, he would be a great Roy Williams type WR. They keep sticking him at FB, but with that speed and size, they should let him work the middle of the field and catch passes. He was the UDFA camp stand-out last year, but was buried behind Griffith and then Lawton on the depth chart, I really hope he makes the 53 this year.
All of those UDFA’s best chance is on the practice squad.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:33 am
I don’t think anybody on that defense list will make the 53. They need to develop all these young offensive guys this season, which means the defense gets shorted. But next season they will probably draft for defense and cut some of the offensive projects that don’t pan out. I see it as 26 offensive players, 24 defensive players & Condo, Lechler, J-Kow.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:34 am
RR – I don’t think Davis wants to part with Walter until his contract is up at the end of the year. I think he’s holding out for a trade and doesn’t want to let him go for nothing.
McQuistan will make the roster.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:34 am
in posts #7 & #8 that totals 49 players.
add Condo, Janikowski and Lechler for ST and that makes 52.
If I could add 1 more player of the remaining scrubs I guess it’d be Greyson Gunheim.
D-Burg is always hurt and we need somebody who can bring down a running back. Trevor Scott isn’t that guy. J-Rich & Nessy starting opposite eachother would give us no pass rush whatsoever!
May 12th, 2009 at 8:39 am
The Big Banana Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 8:34 am
RR – I don’t think Davis wants to part with Walter until his contract is up at the end of the year. I think he’s holding out for a trade and doesn’t want to let him go for nothing.
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That would be typical…
May 12th, 2009 at 8:39 am
BBB-
I didn’t have a WR spot reserved for Arman Shields. Maybe the PUP list or IR for Shields, McQuistan, O’Neal and Walker. who knows?
you got McQ replacing Mark Wilson. Morris replacing Wade. Strong replacing Stewart
I can see those things happening. what about Reece? what players would you part ways with from O to bring in him and Holland?
May 12th, 2009 at 8:42 am
I wouldn’t care if Al Davis wanted to keep a disgruntled AW on the roster instead of Bruce Gradkowski. AW has the bigger arm. BG knows the offense and has been taking part in QB school. AW has received no reps in mini camp and Cable doesn’t sound thrilled about him being in the locker room … I doubt he sticks (if Tom Cable has ANY say at all)
May 12th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Yep, third string QB is the least of our problems. Let’s first worry about run-d, QB protection and draft picks that can’t catch.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Wonder what Walter did to get the Steve Buerlein, Marcus Allen treatment. lol
May 12th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Yeah – they may end up shipping Walter for a 7th rounder. Not much value there even though I think he’s better than what he showed in the Art Shell regime.
I agree that it’s not an issue either way except for the roster spot being taken up. Neither BG nor AW should see the field.
Arman Shields. Man – what’s up with that cat? I think he’s done for sure unless he goes on IR as already mentioned.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:50 am
RRS,
Good questions. The Raiders need to be sneaky with their PUP, practice squad and IR lists this season, because we have so many young players that need more time.
I see Wilson perhaps backing-up at RT and McQ at LG.
I am counting on “mop handle” getting cut.
I hope they take a flyer on Reece and cut Lawton to make room. Lawton was decent for us last year, but he is no spring chicken, and with the Neal brothers leading the way, we could use a playmaking FB.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:55 am
# exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Wonder what Walter did to get the Steve Buerlein, Marcus Allen treatment. lol
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lol. I think it’s been a combination of things. Art Shell played him even though it was a disaster with Shell’s swiss chees OLine. But Kiffin was in the following year and Walter wasn’t a Kiffin type of QB – immobile, pocket passer. Then Russell was drafted and his fate was sealed.
May 12th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Anyone worried about JR? I was an advocate in drafting him No.1. I know all the play caller and coach changes stunted his early development, but i was watching Matt Ryan on NFL network, and I couldnt help but be a little jealous of how NFL ready this kid was. JR really has to step it up and become a leader for this offense. Hope Garcia can be that guy to make that happen for us.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:00 am
I like the idea of “sneaking” players on the PUP list, other than the fact that players that cant make our roster are much worse than other players getting cut from successful teams.
Will be interesting to see the next round of F/A cuts to see if we bring anyone in before the start of training camp.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:00 am
AZRaider,
JaMarcus is 22 years old.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:05 am
# AZ Raider Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Anyone worried about JR? I was an advocate in drafting him No.1. I know all the play caller and coach changes stunted his early development, but i was watching Matt Ryan on NFL network, and I couldnt help but be a little jealous of how NFL ready this kid was. JR really has to step it up and become a leader for this offense. Hope Garcia can be that guy to make that happen for us.
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I admit I was one of the guys that didn’t think much of Ryan when he was drafted and blasted Atlanta fans for his contract. Now? Heh…
Yeah….Russell really needs to step it up. This year, we’ll know a lot more about how Russell will do. No excuses. He’s had time to adapt to the NFL.
I still think Russell can be better than Ryan if he learns to play smart and learns how to be a general. Don’t think he’s there yet. Kid’s got some growing up to do.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:07 am
I hope they take a flyer on Reece and cut Lawton to make room. Lawton was decent for us last year, but he is no spring chicken, and with the Neal brothers leading the way, we could use a playmaking FB.
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BBB – Lorenzo Neal is over the hill. He was a back up in Baltimore last year. I don’t see him getting injured any time soon, but it’d be nice to have an insurance policy if he does go down or doesn’t prove to be quick and mobile enough for the zbs (as Kiffin would suggest). Luke Lawton was a practice squad scrub when we claimed him off waivers. He got better as the season progressed and even got a few game balls if I remember correctly. He’s currently getting all the reps as the #1 FB right now in camp. Reece is sort of an all effort guy who will do whatever it takes to latch on with an NFL team. He can play mulitiple positions, but excels at none of them. Reminds me of Fred Wakefield last year. Reece can play WR, TE and FB supposedly. I’d hate to see this guy as a lead blocker for Bush & McFadden. Reece would be much better than ANY FB we have on the roster catching passes out of the backfield no doubt, but we need a hammer imo. O’Neal is hurt and Bush vows never to play FB again. Lawton is only 28 years old and has only seen limited action in the NFL. His body hasn’t taken a pounding other than that concussion he got last season. He started the next week. talk about toughness!
May 12th, 2009 at 9:11 am
JR is 22… How old is Ryan?
Anyways, I was just watching that kid, audible at the line, running the 2 min drill fired up and running his linemen back to the line of scrimage. I just never saw the intesity in Russell I saw with Ryan. Dont get me wrong, JR has the skill set, but where is his head?
On a positive note: Dmac will be unstoppable if he stays healthy. Our trainers botched that with him last year with the turf toe BS.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:14 am
24 on Friday is Ryan.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:14 am
they talked about Russell and the Raiders last night on NFL Live. Trey Wingo reported that he struggled in min camp. Trent Dilfer said that he’s only got 1 tool in the toolbox, a fastball. Said he needs to work on his mechanics and develop more tools. Tim Hasselbeck said that he’s got to be the first one in the building and the last one to leave – which he has not been. Wingo said Garcia will be the first one in the building and the last one to leave, so if Russell doesn’t follow that example he could lose his starting job.
Later Wingo asked if DHB was under the most pressure as a rookie? Dilfer said NO because nobody will be watching Raider football in 2009. Hasselbeck said no, it will be Knowshawn Moreno
your thoughts Nation?
May 12th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Wow. Negativity from BSPN. Who’d a thunk that?
May 12th, 2009 at 9:17 am
But the guy from BSPN who was actually AT CAMP had a completely different story.
My thought is why do you still watch that show?
May 12th, 2009 at 9:18 am
No one will be watching Raider football ….
LMFAO!
May 12th, 2009 at 9:19 am
If Russell doesn’t get motivated with Garcia behind him then nothing will. Garcia isn’t gifted with a canon arm or size but has intangibles not measured at the combines. Russell needs to realize being picked 1st overall doesn’t make you a good player just a wealthy one.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:19 am
How can they state that nobody will care about Raiders football in 2009, while in the midst of doing a report on Raiders mini-camps in 2009?
May 12th, 2009 at 9:25 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:14 am
they talked about Russell and the Raiders last night on NFL Live. Trey Wingo reported that he struggled in min camp. Trent Dilfer said that he’s only got 1 tool in the toolbox, a fastball. Said he needs to work on his mechanics and develop more tools. Tim Hasselbeck said that he’s got to be the first one in the building and the last one to leave – which he has not been. Wingo said Garcia will be the first one in the building and the last one to leave, so if Russell doesn’t follow that example he could lose his starting job.
Later Wingo asked if DHB was under the most pressure as a rookie? Dilfer said NO because nobody will be watching Raider football in 2009. Hasselbeck said no, it will be Knowshawn Moreno
your thoughts Nation?
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My thoughts, who cares what they think. It’s no different than any of the other bias butt clowns on ESPN who constantly feel the need to make wise cracks about us. Although I did wonder if Dilfer forgot we were talking about football or baseball, never heard of passes described like that, IE the fastball and the change up.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:27 am
How many tools did Dilfer have when he was playing?
May 12th, 2009 at 9:30 am
How do these former NFL nobodies turn out to be such hot heads on TV? Sean Salisbury, Trent Dilfer
May 12th, 2009 at 9:33 am
The Big Banana Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 9:30 am
How do these former NFL nobodies turn out to be such hot heads on TV? Sean Salisbury, Trent Dilfer
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Like Ron Jaworski. Never was an elite QB with the Rams or Eagles.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Whats good Nation!!!!
Tim Hasselbeck said that he’s got to be the first one in the building and the last one to leave – which he has not been. Wingo said Garcia will be the first one in the building and the last one to leave, so if Russell doesn’t follow that example he could lose his starting job.
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I agree with the first part but no way russell loses his job unless uncle Al sees a SB in the wims…..imho
May 12th, 2009 at 9:51 am
My thought is why do you still watch that show?
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Jhill: it’s all I got. When my wife & I signed up with Dish Network we got a package that included NFL Network for me and HGTV for her. 6 months into the contract they took NFL Network away and said I’d need to upgrade to a higher package to watch that channel – which costs $20 more per month. I said SCREW THAT
now all I got is ESPN, ESPN 2, ESPN NEWS and ESPN ALTERNATE
I watch SportsCenter sometimes, but I hate watching baseball, hockey, tennis and racing highlights waiting for the NFL news. thank God for the internet!
May 12th, 2009 at 9:55 am
golf, soccer, bowling and poker games are pretty boring to watch on ESPN as well …
May 12th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Switch to Direct TV.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:57 am
let’s not forget,Dilfer is good buddies with Kiffin.he was also a whiner.he will never pass up the opportunity to take shots at the Raiders.BTW,Jaws was a very good QB with the Eagles.
May 12th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Since 1984 (25 years ago), Al Davis has drafted 14 players from what could be considered top-level academic colleges. Ten of those players were African-Americans.
If the list is expanded to include USC and Michigan (also rated as top academic institutions in some circles), the total count becomes 15 African-American players to 9 white players.
Tim Brown needs to STFU.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Teach,don’t worry about it.the only one who will make a big deal about it is MR because he hates anything Al Davis.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Jaworski: 179 touchdowns, and 164 interceptions
72.8 QB rating. Average QB IMHO
May 12th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Yeah …
You need to switch to DTV. They are a rip off too, but hey, it is what it is.
You can rationalize having the NFL package by telling yourself it’s basically less than the cost of going to 1 game.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:07 am
they talked about Russell and the Raiders last night on NFL Live. Trey Wingo
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TREY? Come on, TREY? People listen to football talk from someone named TREY?
That’s like beleiving Military reports from someone named BUSH!!!
lol
May 12th, 2009 at 10:09 am
I know, Lefty. Just bugs me when people spout off and haven’t the slightest idea of what they’re talking about and a “journalist” prints it because it sounds juicy. Never mind if it’s true or not.
If I’m a sportswriter and somebody comes to me with that I ask them who is “they” that allegedly told Tom Brown that, and can it be verified. I also check the record, which took me about ten minutes. The record seems to contradict what Brown said, and we don’t even know who the “they” are, or even if they exist.
Irresponsible, both on Tim Brown’s part and on the part of the people that decided to publicize it. Al Davis has a pretty damned good record when it comes to equal rights for everyone in his organization, and he deserves better than this.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:10 am
How many tools did Dilfer have when he was playing?
How do these former NFL nobodies turn out to be such hot heads on TV?
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Dilfer didn’t make it to the Pro Bowl until his 4th NFL season. He didn’t make it to the Super Bowl until his 7th NFL season. In 14 years playing in the NFL he made it to 1 Pro Bowl and 1 Super Bowl.
I think he’s being a bit harsh on JaMarcus. Dilfer was on the bench most of his rookie season (like JR). In his soph season, first as a starter, he threw only 4 TD’s and 18 interceptions!
Russell threw 13 TD’s and only 8 INT’s last year.
Trent Dilfer should shut his pie hole.
If Russell progresses the way Dilfer did Russell will be a pro bowler next season.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:12 am
TREY WINGO? LOL
TREY?
WINGO?
HAHAHAHA
May 12th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Where’s Dmunoz and his trade rumors ?
May 12th, 2009 at 10:15 am
TW: what about Trey Junkin?
May 12th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Good morning Nation.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Trey Teague
Trey Darilek
Trey Lewis
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you’re not impressed? haha
May 12th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Trey Wingo played CB at Baylor
only started 3 games though. haha
May 12th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Teach-its just like the reporting that DHB dropped 3 straight passes after having a good day the day before.now we’re going to have to listen to all the naysayers talk about how the guy can’t catch-which is total BS.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Dilfers mad cuz we never wanted him to play for us when he became a free agent but neither did anyone else.
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we would have signed him if he didn’t get hurt. He suffered an Achilles’ tendon injury playing basketball in the offseason. I feel sorry for him that he lost his 5 year old son, but he doesn’t have to trash the Raiders – especially since they brought him in for a workout/interview before. Instead we settled with Tui last year (again) yuck!
May 12th, 2009 at 10:30 am
RR, he’s Tres stupid.
Trey Junkin plays football, doesn’t talk about it on BSPN. Get rid of Mark 9Stink- because he would s#!t himself during games) Schlereth too.
The only Trey I really like is Trey Parker.lol
May 12th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Trent was the only QB in the NFL that won a SB, and then was cut so the Ravns can start a rookie QB!!! LMAO
Trent can’t even play in the NFL, he is a joke!!!
May 12th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Glenn Dickey has been covering sports in the bay area since 1963 and was at the minicamp, he says Russell looked very impressive.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Trent shouldn’t be talking about other QBs. He was the worst starter and SB winning QB.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Didn’t Dilfer get flagged for unsportsmanlike conduct for getting in the face of Raider defenders late in a preseason game (a few years back) in which the Niners were losing.
I just remember thinking…”What’s he getting so excited about? It’s only preseason and they’re losing anyway.”
Wonder what he’d say about Russell if he did the same?
May 12th, 2009 at 10:45 am
i’m not going to knock what Dilfer did during his career.but we must remember he is anti Raider due to his friendship with Kiffin.before the Davis/Kiffin cat fight Dilfer used to have positive things to say about our team.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:46 am
MaddenRedneck Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Glenn Dickey has been covering sports in the bay area since 1963 and was at the minicamp, he says Russell looked very impressive.
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Then you must believe him when he said DHB looked very bad?
May 12th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Yes I would if you about to pay a guy 20 million up front to sign and he is already dropping consecutive passes and shying away from collisions. I want Mitchell to light him up first chance he gets to make or break him.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Jerry needs to sit with Glenn and get some pointers.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:55 am
whats up fellers?
May 12th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Its like some of the writers have agendas to follow when they write these blog entries. What about Higgins, why not comment on how he looked? Or Bush, was he quick and in shape? Instead they push some form of negativity because it creats discussion in these blogs.
May 12th, 2009 at 10:57 am
So I heard that the next camp is May 18th, that’s next Monday! I can’t wait. I am looking for some exciting battles:
Joseph vs. Boschetti vs. ? – William Joseph and Ryan Boschetti are fighting for that 4th DT spot, but their is an outside chance that the Raiders only carry 3 DT’s to start the season (just like last year), knowing full well that Boschetti or Joseph will still be around if they need them. Desmond Bryant might also surprise.
John Bowie vs. Darrick Brown – this is only exciting because they might finally be forced to cut the remains of the Randy Moss trade, or maybe Bowie can actually play and he surprises.
Shaugnessy v. Gunheim – on paper they look similar, Gunheim has a year and some game experience on Shaugnessy, but Nessy was a 3rd-rounder. Heck, they might both stay.
FB – O’Neal is still injured, Neal is ancient, Lawton is a practice squad scrub, Reece can’t lead block. It will be a delicate balancing act with this position this season.
Sulak v. Norris v. Sulak v. Williams v. Alston – at least one of these guys is not making the cut, possibly more. It will probably come down to special teams prowess.
The Fate of Louis Rankin – Rankin is the scatback that our roster lacks, but with FB’s and HB’s galore, he might be the odd man out.
Mop Handle – The Raiders decided not to outright cut Cornbred after the mop handle incident, but is he worth keeping on the roster at his age, with Barnes, Pears, Wilson and Marten around?
TE – Tony Stewart is our union player rep, special teams leader and a decent TE, but with Brandon Meyers, Chris O’Neill and Darrell Strong fighting for a roster spot, I don’t know that we need to keep him around just for special teams.
WR – Walker and Shields don’t appear healthy. DHB, Schilens and Higgins are assured a roster spot, but after that it is a complete crap shoot. I am sure Murphy will sneak on there as well, and then the rest will be decided either on the field or at the trainer’s office.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:01 am
from Friday-DHB looked smooth and natural catching the ball…his best play came on a sideline rt. which he adjusted under an underthrown pass and hauled it in some 40 yds downfield over the DB.it was the kind of play a football player makes but a sprinter doesn’t.
the kid will be fine.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:01 am
What was the real reason for the QB drops under center? Garcia and Gradowski had four drops each to Russells one yet its never mentioned and Russell is the one that struggled?
May 12th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Actually, I agree with Espn, right now Russell’s strength is his fastball. 20-30 yd strikes over the middle, and seams to Miller. He seems to have trouble putting air under the ball right now. I think that will come with experience.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:05 am
But Dickey contradicts all of them and noticed Russell developing a nice touch pass. Its hard to go against a jounalist that has covered every great quarterback in the bay area since 63′ and is not being persuaded what to say by some network big wig.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:06 am
I want Mitchell to light him up first chance he gets to make or break him.
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please no. we have enough injured WR’s
DHB & Murphy are already hamstrung.
We don’t need our #1 WR nursing a busted up knee like Walker & Shields!
May 12th, 2009 at 11:07 am
But DHB has a scared streak in him, someone needs to let him know he can take a shot and get up in the NFL ASAP.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:11 am
But DHB has a scared streak in him, someone needs to let him know he can take a shot and get up in the NFL ASAP.
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he’s scared of contact so he makes up for it by running away from defenders. LOL
who are we talking about here? Forrest Gump?
May 12th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Well, that’s the first time Glen Dickey has been quoted in here.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Its called alligator arms and might have something to do with the drops when all is said and done.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Russell works alot at putting touch on his passes. Having Jeff Garcia there will certainly help him with short screens which he was terrible at last year. Also, the defense is running a bunch of different blitz packages. Don’t get excited. They are doing that to try to get Bush and Dmac up to snuff as far as their blocking assignments are concerned. And of course since mistabrown can only count to three and doesn’t have any idea who we drafted, right now look for Shilens/JLH/DHB/Murphy/Watkins with “Jivin”, Shields, and Sammie Parker fighting it out for the last roster spot.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:14 am
One thing is certain, if the receivers are dropping passes the QB’s are hitting their targets.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Get use to hearing negatives from the media until the team starts winning then they will spin the Raiders as a team they saw on the rise the whole time.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:15 am
how do you know DHB has a scared streak in him.it amazes me the amount of people on here who are Raider fans that talk like they want certain players and draft choices to fail because they weren’t their choices.also,being sore from your 1st pro workouts doesn’t mean they have pulled hammies.it just shows that the rigors of pro workouts are much tougher than they were in college.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Because I read what those that attend the minicamps see, which is DHB pulling up near defenders when the ball is thrown his way, not a good sign right now. I see Schilens and Higgins starting if that keeps up.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:18 am
Jerry Mac said DHB looked like a football player in camp, not a track star. He played college ball. it’s not like we drafted Usain Bolt
another NFL team would have snagged him in the 1st round if we didn’t. the only reason he’s under so much scrutiny here is because we took him ahead of Crabtree & Maclin.
If the Eagles, Giants or Titans got him they’d all being saying DHB is the next Superstar WR. Ready for the big leagues. pro bowl bound
May 12th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Its no different than watching Crabtree quit in the Ole Miss game after he got poked in the eye.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:21 am
one minute people are blasting the media for all its negative BS yet the next minute they are forming opinions based on what they say.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Lefty12 Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:21 am
one minute people are blasting the media for all its negative BS yet the next minute they are forming opinions based on what they say.
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Exactly. Glen Dickey even.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:24 am
being sore from your 1st pro workouts doesn’t mean they have pulled hammies.it just shows that the rigors of pro workouts are much tougher than they were in college.
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they’re pushing themselves. thats the only way you can hurt yourself in camp with no contact. they were trying to make an impression with the coaches and teammates
I hope DHB takes Nnamdi to school on more than one occasion next camp
May 12th, 2009 at 11:25 am
DHB was not my first choice or the Raiders most likely. I wanted A. Smith and I think the Raiders did (Cable for sure) but when he did not fall to seven I still think DHB is a better fit than Crabtree.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:27 am
At least Dickey sounds more honest than any other writers, DHB was dropping the on target passes of the struggling Russell lol.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:28 am
More on the Raiders’ managing general bigot….
Tim Brown: Al Davis hates black athletes from Notre Dame
By MJD
We’ll go ahead and file that one under “headlines I didn’t anticipate typing today.”
It’s a bizarre statement. It’s a bizarre subset of people to hate, even if you insist on hating a group of people. And it’s a bizarre thing to say to an African-American athlete from Notre Dame when meeting him for the first time.
But according to Tim Brown(notes), that’s exactly what Al Davis did. Brown was interviewed on WCNN in Atlanta, and here’s what he had to say about the first time he met Al. From SportsRadioInterviews.com (audio is available at the link):
“Meeting Al (Davis) was pretty unique. I found out five or ten minutes after my first practice there that he hated African-American athletes from Notre Dame. And they literally told me that. They literally told me that because we’re known for using our education more than our athletic ability that he thought that I would be one of these guys that would basically take the money and run. I don’t know if that was a ploy to get me amped up, but it certainly worked.”
I have no idea how to respond to that.
First, I guess I should note Al Davis’s history in racial hiring practices. He hired Tom Flores, the NFL’s first Latino head coach. He hired Art Shell, the first African-American head coach in the NFL’s modern era. He drafted Eldridge Dickey, the first African-American quarterback taken in the first round by any NFL or AFL team. Al Davis is pretty well-respected across the board when it comes to making racial progress in the NFL. So I am not saying that Al Davis is a racist. I am not saying that the only thing missing from the picture above is the white hood.
But hating black people from Notre Dame? What? Why? Who else does Al hate, left-handed cornerbacks from Wyoming? Green-eyed atheist centers from the MAC?
Notre Dame is known for having higher academic standards for their athletes than most other major football universities, and maybe Al thinks that it’s the place of African-Americans to pursue athletic interests, as opposed to scholarly ones.
Or maybe Tim Brown’s right, and Al just wanted to fire him up with some good old-fashioned race-baiting. I couldn’t tell you. All I can tell you is that I don’t think Al Davis is the kind of guy who has any tiny bit of racially-motivated malice in his heart, but that is a weird, weird quote.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Tim-Brown-Al-Davis-hates-black-athletes-from-No?urn=nfl,162888
May 12th, 2009 at 11:29 am
If DHB and Russell were perfect in mini camp and looked like H.O.F.ers I’m sure you would here ..its only practice and it means nothing until the bullets are real. Or you can’t take much stock in guys playing without pads.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:31 am
This was the story that broke yesterday, in the Santa Rosa Press Democrat:
Al Davis doesn’t care about black people (from Notre Dame)
Contributed by Phil Barber – Posted: May 11, 2009 2:57:04 PM
Hey, Tim Brown, this is no way to land a job.
Last year, Brown, a Raider for 16 seasons and one of the leading receivers in NFL history – he’s fourth all-time with 1,094 catches, third with 14,934 receiving yards – was openly lobbying for a position with his old team, suggesting he could be some sort of liaison between owner Al Davis and his players. Now Brown may need a liaison just to enter the Oakland Coliseum.
Speaking to WCNN in Atlanta about his induction into the College Hall of Fame (a deserved honor), Brown had this recollection of meeting Davis for the first time: “Meeting Al was pretty unique. I found out five or 10 minutes after my first practice there that he hated African-American athletes from Notre Dame. And they literally told me that. They literally told me that because we’re known for using our education more than our athletic ability that he thought that I would be one of these guys that would basically take the money and run. I don’t know if that was a ploy to get me amped up, but it certainly worked.”
You can read more of Brown’s interview here.
Without having talked to anyone in Raiderland today, I’m guessing that Davis is livid. He has always seen himself as a pioneer in providing opportunity to minorities. His credentials are bona fide, like hiring the first Mexican-American coach (Tom Flores) and the first African-American coach (Art Shell) in modern NFL history. To hear one of his most famous players suggest he viewed educated black athletes with suspicion must seem like a betrayal to Davis.
Something tells me we haven’t heard the last of this one.
http://blogs.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=2375632
May 12th, 2009 at 11:31 am
These are still available, Warren Brown bunk bed and blow horn sets while they last, MaddenRaider already has one.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:32 am
MaddenRedneck Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:27 am
At least Dickey sounds more honest than any other writers, DHB was dropping the on target passes of the struggling Russell lol.
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It depends on what you want to hear.
Just saying Glen Dickey is a notorious 49er sycophant. He’s usually persona non-grata in Raider circles.
Personally, I don’t hold media responsible for Raider performance.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:32 am
You guys are funny. lol
you keep asking for Mitchell to hit out WRs, as if Mike Mitchell is our hired gun. lol
LMAO
May 12th, 2009 at 11:32 am
More:
Um … Quite A Statement from Tim Brown
By Michael Rothstein
The Journal Gazette
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Well, then, didn’t know this about Al Davis.
According to former Notre Dame wide receiver Tim Brown, the eccentric Raiders owner told the former Heisman Trophy winner after his first practice that he’s not too fond of African-American athletes from Notre Dame.
“Meeting Al was pretty unique,” Brown told RadioSportsInterviews.com. “I found out five or 10 minutes after my first practice that he hated African-American athletes from Notre Dame. And they literally told me that. They literally told me that because we’re known for using our education more than our athletic ability that he thought that I would be one of these guys that would basically take the money and run. I don’t know if that was a ploy to get me amped up, but it certainly worked.”
Still, that’s a pretty out there thing to say just to motivate someone. Maybe Al Davis will write another letter in response.
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20090512/BLOGS02/905129937
May 12th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Ask Tim Brown if he ever called plays to the detriment of the the team to himself to pad his stats, I dare you. The same Tim Brown that said the Raiders would have won more Superbowls without Madden as HC.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:37 am
PFT/Sporting news:
Brown: Al Davis Hates Black Athletes From ND
Tuesday, May 12, 2009
Posted By Mike Florio 1:58 PM
Al DavisWe wonder whether former Oakland Raiders receiver Tim Brown, who likely will be a Hall of Famer before too long, will be asking team owner Al Davis to introduce Brown for his enshrinement.
If Brown does, it could get very interesting.
On Monday, Brown told WCNN in Atlanta that Davis doesn’t like black athletes from Notre Dame.
“Meeting Al was pretty unique,” Brown said, via SportsRadioInterviews.com by way of MJD’s Shutdown Corner at Yahoo! Sports. “I found out five or 10 minutes after my first practice there that he hated African-American athletes from Notre Dame. And they literally told me that. They literally told me that because we’re known for using our education more than our athletic ability that he thought that I would be one of these guys that would basically take the money and run. I don’t know if that was a ploy to get me amped up, but it certainly worked.”
No one ever could claim Davis is a racist. He hired a black head coach more than a decade before the league adopted a rule aimed at solving the problem of a coaching roster that looked like a board meeting at the Wonder Bread company.
That said, the Raiders haven’t drafted an overabundance of African-American players who attended Notre Dame.
In the 22 years since Tim Brown arrived via round one, the Raiders have picked only one black player from South Bend — receiver Raghhib Ismail, whose rights were secured on a fourth-round flyer in the year he decided to play for the CFL’s Toronto Argonauts.
Prior to Brown, the Raiders had picked only one black player from Notre Dame: defensive back Stacy Toran (sixth round, 1984).
White players from Notre Dame who played for the Raiders are as follows: defensive back Stan Smagala (fifth round, 1990); quarterback Steve Beuerlein (fourth round, 1987); center Steve Sylvester (tenth round, 1975); and tight end Dave Casper (second round, 1974).
So, on one hand, Davis and the Raiders don’t have much experience with black players from Notre Dame, giving Davis no real basis on which to come to the conclusion that he should beware the intersection of a specific race and a specific school.
On the other hand, it could be argued that Davis formed his views prior to becoming involved with the Raiders, or based on impressions he picked up from other people in the league.
Regardless, Davis didn’t draft a single black player from Notre Dame prior to 1984, and Davis hasn’t drafted a single black player from Notre Dame since putting a flag on Rocket Ismail 18 years ago, in the event he ultimately decided to return from Canada.
Still, we think that Brown’s hunch is right. Some in the organization might have been looking for a way to motivate Brown, who as the sixth overall pick in the draft could have opted for complacency once money ceased being an issue for him.
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/real_scouts/entry/view/24083/brown_al_davis_hates_black_athletes_from_nd
May 12th, 2009 at 11:37 am
If DHB and Russell were perfect in mini camp and looked like H.O.F.ers I’m sure you would here ..its only practice and it means nothing until the bullets are real. Or you can’t take much stock in guys playing without pads.
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oooo. good one Lynn
May 12th, 2009 at 11:38 am
Dickey bashes the Raiders so for him to say Russell looked very impressive sounds more legit than any other opinion.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:39 am
What’s your point MR?
May 12th, 2009 at 11:39 am
you keep asking for Mitchell to hit out WRs, as if Mike Mitchell is our hired gun. lol
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no kidding man. I want MM gunning for Antonio Gates and Chris Chambers!
May 12th, 2009 at 11:40 am
This has nothing to do with Tim Brown’s level of play, redneck. It’s much more serious than that.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Kell, what’s my point? You can’t be that stupid.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Its a bunch of bs from Tim Brown to push himself into the spotlight is all it is. He can’t touch Davis with his remarks.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Al Davis is also a J3wish guy, fond of military history, and impressed with the job Adolph did in Europe.
(It’s interesting that word won’t get past the screening mod, but the N-word will)
May 12th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Kell, what’s my point? You can’t be that stupid.
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To bash Al Davis at every turn because you’re a repetitive, full of s#!t boring wind bag?
May 12th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Ask yourself; why is Tim Brown quoted by the national press on an almost bi-monthly basis, when he holds no official position in the NFL, is not interviewing for any official position in the NFL and has not held any official position in the NFL for 4 years?
I always liked Timmy as a player, but the guy needs to shut up and learn when to fold them.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:44 am
They seem to forget ND was not very good at football for the past 3 decades do they?
May 12th, 2009 at 11:44 am
That remains to be seen, redneck. Surely Davis will make a statement soon. We’ll see if Tom Brown retracts.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:45 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Kell, what’s my point? You can’t be that stupid.
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I guess I am. Davis doesn’t like black players from ND…..?
May 12th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Davis won’t say anything and Tim will keep on talking because thats what makes him money, its not very difficult to disect.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:46 am
redneck, so ND not being good for the past 3 decades makes it ok for Al Davis to make a bigoted remark to a player about black athletes at Notre Dame? Oh, and I thought you were just denying that Al said it? Why are you trying to justify the statement, all of a sudden?
May 12th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Kell, guess you are that stupid. If Al said this, he’s obviously a bigot, and doesn’t belong in football. That would be the point. Even Marge Schott never said anything that bad.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:48 am
What did Al say to Tim? Nothing.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:48 am
If Tim keeps on talking, redneck, the NFL will investigate it. An owner making bigoted remarks right to black athletes’ faces? That’s unacceptable, and the league will act.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Calling Al Davis a bigot is not going to fly, MR. Yawn.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:49 am
That remains to be seen, redneck. We’ll see what Al’s statement is, see how Timmy reacts, if he retracts it, etc. It could be blown out of proportion. But all we have right now on record is Tim Brown claiming that Al Davis said this to him. That’s a serious story.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:50 am
No they won’t, your blow horn is getting soggy, put it down and give it a rest a while.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Kell, if you’re undaunted by a story of a former player, a hall of fame player at that, accusing Al of making a bigoted remark to him, then just ignore it. You’re welcome to go away. But the story’s not going anywhere.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:51 am
This sounds like the work of John Herrera…
May 12th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Undaunted lol. Brown is still pissed that Davis had to bring in Jerry Rice to do the job Brown could not.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:53 am
redneck, if the story is “soggy”, why do you keep responding? You’re welcome to ignore it. The story’s not going anywhere. You have Tim Brown, Tim Brown, mind you, not some red shirt who played here one yer, but Tim Brown, saying that Al Davis made a bigoted remark to him. This is huge. You can ignore it. The sporting world is not going to. And the NFL’s not going to, either. If Tim doesn’t retract his statement, they’re investigating it.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Becuase I disagree with what your pushing. The NFL could care less what Tim Brown says right now.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Redneck, this is more important than who was a better receiver between Brown or Rice. This is about an NFL owner who once prided himself in being a pioneer in racial equality being outed as a bigot.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Hey – you think Davis will say something along those lines to Walker? He needs some motivation….lol
May 12th, 2009 at 11:57 am
MR
I’m with KoolKell on this one. Davis is many things, racist isn’t one of them.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Tim Brown has been known to stretch the truth to get his way in the past. Same old same old.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:58 am
As an assistant coach at USC, Al Davis organized a strike of Coaches that would allow Black Refs into college football.
Al Davis as a Racist is not going to fly, MR.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:59 am
the truth is Davis NEVER said anything along those lines to Brown.Brown said”they literally told me”.nowhere does he say Davis told me.once again a person on here changing things around so it sounds like what they want it to.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:59 am
redneck, the league will investigate it because they’ll be under a s’t load of pressure from black leaders. All that’s making this go away is Tim retracting it. We’ll see what happens.
May 12th, 2009 at 11:59 am
Tim Brown NEVER said that Al Davis said anything of the sort to him. He claimed that someone “told him” that Al “thought” that.
Sounds like typical “He said, she said” nonsense involving someone that wished they were thought of as a more important person.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
What black leaders?
May 12th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Kell, I don’t care if Al marched in Birmingham. If he told Tim Brown, to his face, that he doesn’t like black athletes from Notre Dame because, they’re SMART?!?! He is a bigot! I’m sorry if you’re too stupid to understand it.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
I’m sure Jessie Jackson would get involved. He’s mocked by the right wing, but still has a lot of influence. He alone would put heat on Goodell to investigate the matter. And, there’d be more. Plug, Goodell would investigate it anyway because no organization or league wants to be associated with racism. If Tim Brown doesn’t retract this claim, Goodell’s decision to investigate it will be an easy one. He’d only be pissing off Raider fans. And you know he doesn’t care about that.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
MR
Tim Brown NEVER claimed that Al Davis said anything directly to his face.
I know, you just like to stir the pot, just stop making sh1t up.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Now KK is stupid becuase he disagrees with MaddenRaider, who sounds like the bigot now?
May 12th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Jesse Jackson? lol name a leader please.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
RaiderDogg, we’ll see what happens. The stories are reporting that Al said it. This isn’t going away, both sides will be giving more statements on it, so we’ll see who said what. If Tim Brown retracts his claim, it’s over with. If he stands by it, it’s only the beginning. The NFL will not tolerate an open bigot amongst their owners.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Hey – you think Davis will say something along those lines to Walker? He needs some motivation….lol
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Davis only offends SMART black athletes. Javon Walker doesn’t fit that description.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
KK is stupid because he thinks that someone can’t be a bigot just because they did things for racial equality a half a century ago. People change.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Hey – you think Davis will say something along those lines to Walker? He needs some motivation….lol
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Davis only offends SMART black athletes. Javon Walker doesn’t fit that description.
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LOL!!! True…
May 12th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Amy Trask is not half a century ago. It might be gender but its equal to race.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Love or hate Jessie Jackson, he still has a lot of influence and his actions against companies and organizations always get results. But it wouldn’t be necessary anyway. Goodell would investigate no matter what. Nobody wants to be associated with bigotry today (well, except a lot of Raider fans, sadly).
May 12th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:58 am
As an assistant coach at USC, Al Davis organized a strike of Coaches that would allow Black Refs into college football.
Al Davis as a Racist is not going to fly, MR.
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The Real MaddenRaider Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Kell, I don’t care if Al marched in Birmingham.
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Then you don’t care about the facts.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
# MaddenRedneck Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 11:48 am
What did Al say to Tim? Nothing.
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That is exactly right. This is (once again) for the rest of the universe, a non-issue. But for a myopic Al hater who borders on psychoses, this is huuuuuuuge. Of course trying to convince the rest of the world that the guy who hired the lst black head coach, first Latino head coach, one of the lst to have a black QB, lst to have a woman run the organization, that he is somehow a bigot based on 2nd hand hearsay, well, you have to be a myopic Al hater who borders on psychoses.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
MaddenRedneck, it doesn’t matter who he’s given a job to. Black, Latino, female, it doesn’t matter. If he said to a players’ face that he doesn’t like black athletes from Notre Dame, he is a racist. Period. If anything, the minorities and women working for Al Davis should be using this incident to reevaluate their relationship with Al Davis, considering he eluded to not liking smart minorities…
May 12th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
I don’t love or hate Jesse Jackson and his influence has zero effect on most of the nation. He might be able to get Marion Barry off the hook.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
When has Jesse Jackson ever lobbied for a white cause? Most likely never, now is he a bigot?
May 12th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Jethro Jackson????
LMFAO!
That guy couldn’t get a cup of coffee at the corner 7-11 ..
He’s done!
May 12th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Oakglenn, I don’t care if Al marched in Birmingham. If he said this, he’s a racist. Period. It would mean that all of his work toward racial equality was nothing more than token gestures to mask his true beliefs. Remember, he said his problem with black athletes from Notre Dame is that they’re educated. This means Al likes hiring black people who aren’t smart. Unbelievable. If Tim Brown doesn’t retract this, believe me, Goodell will get rid of Al Davis.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
John Herrera is firing up Al’s projector as we speak….
May 12th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Hey – you think Davis will say something along those lines to Walker? He needs some motivation….lol
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on second thought, maybe thats how how he talked Javon out of retirement?
AD: Javon, you want me to replace you with Tim Dwight? come on man. what were you doing in Vegas? you were doing coke and buying prostitutes weren’t you? you dumb n1gger!
JW: I’ll show you! dumb racist old fool. I’ll be the most productive WR on this team even playing with a busted up knee. I’ll put off the clean up procedure and get that when i’m good and ready. now it’s time to play football and show the league that i’m a Top 10 WR in the NFL! then i’ll hold out for more money and force the Raiders to trade me. then i’ll get the knee fixed up …
May 12th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Jhill, you don’t have to like Jessie Jackson. But every time he protests any company or organization, he gets results. They always concede something. And in this case, it would be a no brainer because Goodell hates Al Davis anyway. Getting rid of Al Davis would be the easiest decision Goodell’s made in his life. No risk. It would only piss off Al’s loyal goofballs, who are irrelevant to the NFL.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Yeah the NFL is going to banish Al Davis. Dude, you’re off the hook today.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
MaddenRaider… again, let’s look at facts instead of half-truths used to create a story. Or support one, as the case may be.
The Sporting News article says that Al Davis hasn’t drafted a single black player from Notre Dame since “putting the flag on Rocket Ismail” 18 years ago.
Want the rest of the story? Al Davis hasn’t drafted any white players from Notre Dame since “putting the flag on Rocket Ismail” 18 years ago, either. And, the last three players drafted by the Raiders from Notre Dame were black.
The article also mentions that Davis didn’t draft any black players from Notre Dame prior to 1984. What the article DOESN’T say is that from 1963 (when Al took over the Raiders) until 1983 there were only four Notre Dame players drafted by the Oakland Raiders TOTAL. Tom Longo (DB) was an 11th round draft choice in 1964. George Bednar was a guard taken in the 3rd round in 1965. I don’t know how many African_Americans played football at Notre Dame in the mid 1960’s, but I’d be willing to bet the ratio is quite different now. The next Notre Dame player drafted by the Raiders isn’t taken until 1974; Dave Casper. Steve Sylvester was taken in the 10th round in 1975. Since drafting Steve Beurlein in the 4th round in 1987 the Raiders have not selected a white player from that school AT ALL.
There is no story here. Tim Brown is pouting about something and wants attention.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Jethro Mudda-Fuggin Jackson …
LOL!
ohhhhhhh boy!
May 12th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
redneck, as I said, think what you want of JJ. It’s not about him. Jessie Jackson is an activist. He’s not an owner of an NFL franchise. Al Davis is. And an NFL franchise owner making bigoted remarks right to players’ faces is unacceptable.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Dam! Too bad Russell didn’t play for Notre Dame! Then, we might have something.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
“Meeting Al (Davis) was pretty unique. I found out five or ten minutes after my first practice there that he hated African-American athletes from Notre Dame. And they literally told me that. They literally told me that because we’re known for using our education more than our athletic ability that he thought that I would be one of these guys that would basically take the money and run. I don’t know if that was a ploy to get me amped up, but it certainly worked.”
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i got a question, who is THEY that tim brown is speaking of?
May 12th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
What about what Jesse Jackson said about Obama?
May 12th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Maybe he thinks Black players from Notre Dame are soft, colonial worshipping, Uncle Toms?
May 12th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Something about cutting off his nutt sack?
May 12th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Jhill, if people like you hate Jessie Jackson, he’s doing his job. Believe me, if he gets involved with this, Goodell will cave in like a deck of cards and give him Al Davis on a platter. What’s he have to lose? Some idiot Raider fans who worship Al Davis? No loss, whatsoever. Zero risk. Easiest decision he’s made in his life.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
What was Action Jackson’s last accomplishment? It’s been a long time since he “freed” those hostages, LOL!
You would’ve been better off going with Pimpin’ Al than Jethro!
May 12th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
redneck, you mean the same Obama who slaughtered McCain and Sarah Palin last November?
May 12th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
No I mean the same Jesse Jackson you keep avoiding to answer questions about.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
MR, you called me stupid. One of the few friends you have in here. I’m hurt.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Edward, so, you’re saying Al didn’t say it? Because if Al Davis said that, he’s a bigot and there’s no two ways about it. We’ll find out more. We’ll see what statement Al gives, and rather or not Tim retracts. This is a huge story.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Oakglenn, I don’t care if Al marched in Birmingham. If he said this, he’s a racist. Period.
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That’s the entire point! He didn’t say it. Tim Brown said someone told him that, and could have said it as motivation. There is a big difference between me saying someone told me maddenraider sux donkey dix down in Tijuana, and you directly saying “I go down to Tijuana and ….”
May 12th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Its a huge story today in this blog but thats it.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Maybe he thinks Black players from Notre Dame are soft, colonial worshipping, Uncle Toms?
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May 12th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
redneck, I’m not here to discuss Jessie Jackson, or Obama. I brought up Jackson as one example of someone who might take action against the league if Goodell turned the other cheek toward this. But Goodell won’t, anyway. If Tim Brown doesn’t retract his statement, Goodell’s throwing Al out of the league. He will not have a bigoted owner in his league, and the other owners would follow suit. Jerry Jones included. Jones has a lot of black friends. The last thing he wants is to be associated with a bigot.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Has the Rev. Al Sharpton heard about Tim Brown’s remarks yet?
May 12th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
I don’t hate Jethro …
It’s just funny to me that he was the guy you chose to be the “black voice”.
Not quite sure where you’re getting your info from, but JJ has ZERO pull with black folks, and certainly is speaking for any of them.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
this isnt a story of anykind, why didnt timmy report this to the league when he first heard it, oh right they were paying him, now he says these comments with no evidence to back them up, why? oh right they are not paying him, sounds like a mad ex-employee to me
May 12th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Koolkell, it doesn’t matter what he meant. It’s a racist comment that has no place in the NFL. you don’t go up to your black players and tell them that you don’t like black players from their school. Al Davis is not a Nation of Islam activist yelling on the street corner. He’s an NFL owner. If he said this, it’s unacceptable and he’s gone.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
MaddenRaider you must be green around the edges if you think Davis is the one and only bigot in the NFL. Your alone on this, nobody is coming to your side just like Tim Brown.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
MaddenRaider… read what Tim Brown said. Nowhere does he state that those words came out of Al Davis’ mouth. Brown said that “they” told him that Davis felt that way, and to my knowledge “they” have not been identified, by Tim Brown or anyone else.
Gotta read past the headline, bro.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
raidersince’87, that usually is when people come out with accusations. I won’t deny that there’s sour grapes here on Tim’s part. Of course there is. That’s a no brainer. But that doesn’t excuse Al saying it. If Al said this, he’s a racist. Period.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
“Meeting Al (Davis) was pretty unique. I found out five or ten minutes after my first practice there that he hated African-American athletes from Notre Dame. And they literally told me that. They literally told me that because we’re known for using our education more than our athletic ability that he thought that I would be one of these guys that would basically take the money and run. I don’t know if that was a ploy to get me amped up, but it certainly worked.”
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al didnt go up to anybody and say anything, tim brown is saying THEY told him, whovever that is
May 12th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Edward, he first says “they”, then says “Al”. We’ll find out more. Surely both sides will give statements in the coming days.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Maddenraider you don’t want to talk about Jesse Jackson because he is a bigger bigot than anyone in the NFL.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Raidersince ‘87, make up your mind. Is Tim Brown just bitter and making this all up, or did an executive other than Al say it to him?
May 12th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
raidersince’87, that usually is when people come out with accusations. I won’t deny that there’s sour grapes here on Tim’s part. Of course there is. That’s a no brainer. But that doesn’t excuse Al saying it. If Al said this, he’s a racist. Period.
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i agree with u that that would be a racist remark ,period, but nobody has come out confirming he said these things, innoscent until proven guilty
May 12th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
OK MaddenRaider, we’ll wait and see if Al Davis is banished from the league, ok?
May 12th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
maddenredneck, I don’t spend much time reading into Jessie Jackson or his motives. I will say that I like most of his work, though. As far as his motives, his biography, his skeletons…don’t care. He’s not an elected official nor is he the owner of a large corporation. Al Davis, on the other hand, is the owner of the Oakland Raiders. And if the owner of the Oakland Raiders went up to a black player of his and told him that he doesn’t like black athletes from his college, he’s going to soon be the ex owner of the Oakland Raiders.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Raidersince ‘87, make up your mind. Is Tim Brown just bitter and making this all up, or did an executive other than Al say it to him?
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i dont have to make up my mind about anything, brown said it not me, you need to read his statements more clearly becuz u keep accusing al of saying these things, not even brown is saying he said, hersay thats all it is
May 12th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Well, Madden the quote is right above you last post. Maybe you can show me where he says “Al” said anything of the sort.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Fair enough, Kell. But do you now understand what Al Davis said was wrong? Or do you still not understand the point?
May 12th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Yeah right MaddenRaider, your sounding like the leader of Iran.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Dakota:
Post #6 is right on the money.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Teach, we’ll find out. Both sides will give their statements. Even if it wasn’t Al, Al was still the owner and it happened on his watch. But if Tim stands by this, I’ll bet you he clarifies and said it was Al. He’ll be asked about it. We’ll see.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Also, I wouldn’t count on a statement from Al Davis. His work in that area speaks for itself, and he knows it.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
to put things in their proper perspective, weren’t you saying the Kiffin v. Davis court case was going to be bigger than the OJ Simpson trial, MR??
May 12th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Let’s be democratic about this and vote:
Who on this blog is the most racist?
Most will say MR for prior posts & beating the racist drum in here to get people to talk to him.
I vote MR.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Iran…LOL. Sorry. Al Davis can say what he wants about black athletes from Notre Dame, he just can’t do it as an owner of an NFL franchise because the NFL wouldn’t tolerate it. Free speech only keeps Al from going to jail for saying it. That’s the difference between Al’s situation and an Iranian political prisoner. But keep reaching, moron.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Fair enough, Kell. But do you now understand what Al Davis said was wrong? Or do you still not understand the point?
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we all understand the point, but nobody not even brown is saying he said anything, here is where you are making things up
May 12th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
You can think of me whatever you like, TW. But if Al Davis said this, he’s gone.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Raidersince ‘87, I’m only reporting what the media is reporting. I haven’t made anything up. I believe Tim was talking about Al, and said “them” to avoid getting sued. But we’ll find out.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
here is where you are making things up
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Now you have profiled MR on exactly every post.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
i think he said they or them cause he’s lying
May 12th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
No Oakglenn, I never said the Kiffin grievance would be bigger than the OJ Simpson trial. I would never believe enough people cared about Al Davis for it to be so (hence, you being the one who just drew the comparison…). But I remember you saying that Kiffin would never file a grievance, when he did. I also remember you insisting all throughout last summer that everything was fine between Kiffin and Al. Your credibility has been toast for over a year now. Why you still pretend to be an inside source is beyond me.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
I believe Tim was talking about Al, and said “them” to avoid getting sued. But we’ll find out.
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Right, you’ll find out on your own what everyone else all ready knows, as usual.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
RaiderTW Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
here is where you are making things up
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Now you have profiled MR on exactly every post.
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lol, he seems like a rational guy, just jumping to conclusions a little bit without knowing all the facts
May 12th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Al Davis is not a bigot, period. He has done more to advance African-Americans and other minorities than anyone in NFL history. Does’nt matter if Tim Browm retracts his statement. The proof is in the actions of Al Davis who has done more to fight racial intolerance than Tim Brown ever has. What has Tim Brown done to advance minorities. Send in his NAACP dues while AD was having a game moved from New Orleans to Houston because of White only cabs and Colored Cabs.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
RaiderTW Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
I believe Tim was talking about Al, and said “them” to avoid getting sued. But we’ll find out.
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Right, you’ll find out on your own what everyone else all ready knows, as usual.
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lmao
May 12th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
man , lets talk about some football already!!
May 12th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Raidersince’87, if Tim Brown doesn’t retract the statement, it’s being investigated. He may be lying. But an investigation would certainly give some insight as to whether he is or isn’t. Everyone will be interviewed. I’m thinking Marcus Allen would have some interesting things to say on this. If the league finds a pattern and therefore reason to believe that Al has said bigoted things right to his players’ faces, the NFL will try to get rid of him. Even if they don’t, this could drag on and ruin Al Davis’s name, for good. It will nullify all of Al Davis’s gestured toward racial equality in the middle 20th century, to everyone outside of his loyal base. A lot of people who think Al’s a joke anymore still respect what he’s done in that regard. That would be out the window. There would officially be no reason to like Al Davis outside of being a kool aid drinking retard.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
ExLARaider, I don’t care if Al Davis marched in Birmingham. People change. If he said this to Tim Brown, he’s a racist, no matter how many gestures he’s made to give the impression that he’s not a racist.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Next.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
(Flushing sound)
May 12th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Raidersince’87, if Tim Brown doesn’t retract the statement, it’s being investigated. He may be lying. But an investigation would certainly give some insight as to whether he is or isn’t. Everyone will be interviewed. I’m thinking Marcus Allen would have some interesting things to say on this. If the league finds a pattern and therefore reason to believe that Al has said bigoted things right to his players’ faces, the NFL will try to get rid of him. Even if they don’t, this could drag on and ruin Al Davis’s name, for good. It will nullify all of Al Davis’s gestured toward racial equality in the middle 20th century, to everyone outside of his loyal base. A lot of people who think Al’s a joke anymore still respect what he’s done in that regard. That would be out the window. There would officially be no reason to like Al Davis outside of being a kool aid drinking retard.
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how do you know its being investigated? have you not read in prior posts all the things that al has done for minorities and the nfl, goodell’s probably laughing at the whole situation, investigating? who told you this?
May 12th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
investigations, interveiws, what are you talking about? how old are you?
May 12th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
I think they will investigate Al about as much as the police invistigated the white-kid as a murderer in the Cooper tradegy, eh MR.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Dear MaddenRaider,
You are right. Al Davis is the worst person on the planet.
Signed,
Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Hitler and OJ Simpson
May 12th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
ExLARaider, I don’t care if Al Davis marched in Birmingham. People change. If he said this to Tim Brown, he’s a racist, no matter how many gestures he’s made to give the impression that he’s not a racist.
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Tim Brown has a vivid recollection of a conversation that took place 25 yrs ago and can’t figure out who “they” were. Figures you would jump on an unfounded bandwagon of one since you are known for your Al Davis hatred. That is why you have no credibility whatsoever.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
You’re right about Al Davis, MaddenRaider.
Signed,
Pol Pot
May 12th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
May 11th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Raider Dogg lays the smackdown on Mike Florio in the PFT comment section.
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Raider Dogg says:
May 11th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
It’s a good thing that Florio’s career wasn’t snuffed out early based on his novel, like the media is trying to do with this poor kid.
“This novel isn’t worthy of wiping my dirty arse with and I have only seen the cover!”
The media loves any reason to pile on the Raiders and one day, sooner or later, they will have to eat their words. Unfortunatley, in this age of information, most “journalists” are so quick to report “rumors and nonsense” as fact, yet when they are disproven there is never a retraction.
There is ZERO accountability in the media.
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Yah!”
Thanks for the props exla. I was wondering if anyone would see that.
Good luck tonight, should be a breeze at home…
May 12th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
its almost 1, jerry! jerry! jerry!
May 12th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
raidersince87 Says:
lol, he seems like a rational guy….
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Now THAT”S funny. Get to know MR, you’ll come around to where the rest of us are. hahaha
May 12th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
if Tim Brown thinks badly of Al Davis why did he offer to help out the Raiders organization as a consultant a few months ago?
why would a black man want to work for a man that he thinks is racist? doesn’t he have any pride?
Davis must have done something to offend Brown recently, but I doubt it had anything to do with racism. Davis is probably the LEAST racist owner in sports, regardless of Brown’s comments of what he allegedly said
May 12th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Tim Brown is just pissed because Al refused to give him a job the last two offseasons and because Al made Tim hold his ceremonial retirement press conference at a holiday inn express instead of at the Raiders’ facilities.
If Tim really thought Al was a racists (if black ND football players are a race unto themselves) then why was he continuously begging Al for a job?
Tim needs to tell everyone who the “they” were that supposedly told him those things. Hopefully Herrera was involved, lol.
Brown will be crushed as Al and his minions drag out all the dirt they probably have on Timmy…maybe some pictures of him doing bad stuff? It should get interesting.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Even if the statement is absolutely true, and it came directly from Davis’ lips, it doesn’t prove Davis to be a racist.
To make that case, you would have to consider his entire career.
Nah, this is foolishness. MR, you’d do better if you could get a mental competency exam forced on him by the League.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Maybe he doesn’t like white players from Grambling?
May 12th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
RaiderTW Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
raidersince87 Says:
lol, he seems like a rational guy….
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Now THAT”S funny. Get to know MR, you’ll come around to where the rest of us are. hahaha
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lol the way he was putting it he was there when al said these things to timmy, as reported nowhere in the media, and now him and goodell are launching an investigation, which will end with al giving up ownership of the team and him being banned from the league for life
May 12th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
On a football related note; Gil Brandt is picking the Raiders to win the AFC West this year.
True story.
May 12th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
live chat has started.
1st Question to Jerry:
How far away are Javon Walker and Oren O’Neal? do you think they’ll see the field in 2009?
let’s see if he responds
May 12th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
i asked who he thought will win strongside linbacker assuming they play howard at the will
May 12th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Gil Brandt is awesome
May 12th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
STATE OF CALIFORNIA
IN CIRCUIT COURT
JUDICIAL CIRCUIT
COUNTY OF ALAMEDA
RAIDER NATION,
Plaintiff,
v.
AL DAVIS
Defendant.
ORDER FOR PSYCHIATRIC EXAMINATION
A motion has been made by Raider Nation, the aggrieved party in this case, requesting the Defendant to submit to a psychiatric examination and the Defendant has entered a plea of not guilty and not guilty by reason of mental illness to the charges against him.
It is, therefore,
ORDERED, that the Defendant be committed to the Alameda County Behavioral Health Care Services at 2000 Embarcadero Cove, Suite 400, Oakland, CA 94606 for examination to determine the following:
1. Whether the Defendant has the present ability to understand the nature and purpose of winning in the National Football League;
2. Whether, at the time and place of the 2009 NFL draft he had the present mental capacity to draft players that would actually help the 2009 Oakland Raiders win games when he instead drafted a wide receiver that can’t catch and a safety that no one had heard of and whether or not the Defendant was capable of knowing the wrongfulness of that act;
3. Whether, at the time and place of the decision to retain Rob Ryan as Defensive Coordinator of the Oakland Raiders for five straight seasons, the Defendant was capable of knowing the wrongfulness of that act.
IT IS FURTHER ORDERED that such determination be promptly communicated to the Raider Nation and this Court. It is further
ORDERED that the Sheriff of this County transport and convey said Defendant, Al Davis, to the Alameda County Behavioral Health Care Services at 2000 Embarcadero Cove, Suite 400, Oakland, CA 94606 and deliver him into the custody of Satan, or his representative and that said Defendant remain in the custody of Satan until the examination is completed.
Dated this 12th day of May, 2009.
BY THE COURT:
_______________________________________
Circuit Court Judge
ATTEST:
______________________________ Clerk of Court
(SEAL)
May 12th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
[Comment From raidersince87]
who do you think wins the strongside linbacker spot if Howard is the will and morrison the mike?
1:11 jerrymac: Ricky Brown said he was moved inside but wasn’t told if it was longterm. He said they told him they already know what he can do. Alston worked with the first team during minicamp. The second-team SLB was Slade Norris, and I think they’d like to give him a chance to win the job.
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he answered!
May 12th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Even if the statement is absolutely true, and it came directly from Davis’ lips, it doesn’t prove Davis to be a racist.
To make that case, you would have to consider his entire career.
Nah, this is foolishness. MR, you’d do better if you could get a mental competency exam forced on him by the League.
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Just trying to help out with that in #233!
May 12th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
# raidersince87 Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
man , lets talk about some football already!!
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we are going to sweep DEN, KC,
split SD which makes it five wins,
pencil in two more at home vs CIN, JETS,
add two away vs HOU and CLE…
which makes it 9 wins with remaining games at home vs BAL, PHI, WAS and away games vs NYG sans Plax, DAL w/o TO and the SB winner PIT…
RavenS’ Flacco will struggle in his second yr, win.
NYG won games they should have lost to CLE and CIN at home lasr yr, win.
DAL w/o TO, win.
PIT likes to bend over to OAK in the reg season lately, win.
if really think about it, we could sweep old, beat up SD too. window being open means extra games window being shut means you chocked at some point in the POs and your roster is well, old, expensive, beat up and hurt.
14-2 baby
sslluurrppp!!
May 12th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
i like it
May 12th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
jerrymac: I’m going to deal with that in a post later today . . . referring to a couple of stories I wrote regarding Davis in 2006 and his contributions regarding civil rights, race relations, etc. Reasonable people can disagree about how he runs his football team, but his record in the aforementioned area can’t be questioned.
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There you go MR. So who do Raider fans beleive? Not MR, dou@hebag.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Jerry says:
I’m never worried about anything in May.
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Dakota, I know you’re being sarcastic but Jerry doesn’t seem to be. lol
May 12th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
in the first 3 rounds of the 2007 NFL Draft there were 6 QB’s selected.
Round 1: JaMarcus Russell and Brady Quinn
Round 2: Kevin Kolb, John Beck and Drew Stanton
Round 3: Trent Edwards
apart from JR, Edwards is the only starter. In 2 years he’s thrown 18 TD’s and 18 INT’s. Now Dick Jauron has thrown QB killer T.O. in the mix for his WR corps
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safe to say Russell was the right choice if we wanted to draft a QB in the ‘07 Draft ???
May 12th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
SI names Al Davis the worst owner in the NFL:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/05/08/nfl.owners/index.html
I don’t like Al, but he certainly isn’t the worst owner…just bottom five.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
MaddenRaider…you said the exact same chant when Al fired Kiffin.
He will get sued right out of the League! Kiffin will counter-sue his a$$!
Al Davis will never survive this.
How’s Kiffin making out with that? I think all kicked his @$$ with an overhead projector no less.
May 12th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
all = Al
but Al = all is true in Oakland
May 12th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Jonathan Holland has already been with the team and was very good the first three practices or so during minicamp.
-Jerry Mac
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woohoo! somebody’s got to pick up the slack …
May 12th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Barnes had two false starts
-Jerry Mac
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and so it begins …
May 12th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Another one of your heros:
Former President Ronald Reagan feared aliens were planning to invade America, a new book has claimed. He is said to have believed they had been spying on Earth for decades…[and] told a pal he had seen flying saucers three times, said author Darwin Porter. He allegedly added: “I just know it. They’ve selected some desert in the West to make their landing.”
Former Soviet Union President Mikhail Gorbachev has claimed the US and USSR made a pact to help each other against an alien invasion. He added: “President Reagan said to me, ‘If the US were attacked by someone from outer space, would you help?’”
May 12th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Norco Bob called jerry a weak little man in live chat!!!
May 12th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
You stay classy Norco
May 12th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
. . . bottom line is that people who comment on this blog and the media at large seize on certain things while ignoring others.
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WTG Jerry, are you the pot or the kettle? I’m sure you have never done such a thing, rite?
May 12th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Javon was friendly and pretty animated throughout camp with everyone . .
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sounds like a guy who is on scholarship
May 12th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
the truth will be deleted soon, heads up mods
May 12th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Beech calls me Redneck O. lol
May 12th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Jerry has a sense of humor to post that.
May 12th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Nice to see Jerry has a sense of humor.
May 12th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
woops, sorry RaiderTW. Lol.
May 12th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
RR, please, now YOU said “you put Ventura on a petistol” when all I did is post what a rednecked semi rightwinger said about a rightwing warhawk.
and you misspelled pedestal.
May 12th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
TW,
Reagan was right, there are aliens out there and they are already amongst us:
http://www.dadsclan.com/2004/sam_cassell_alien.gif
May 12th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Or that was his execuse to end the live chat!! It all depends on how you look at it. lol
Perception, you know!!
May 12th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Sam Cassell. LOL!
May 12th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
you misspelled pedestal
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sorry. you won the spelling bee
DARN IT!
May 12th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Jerry probably posted that commment at the end because Norco was firing off his little pithy questions/comments every minute or so and Jerry thought he might screw with him a little at the end.
Jerry also seemed to get pretty defensive with KoolKell’s question about Russell’s weight.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
see you guys tomorrow!
May 12th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Good one TW, what about your favorite president meeting aliens?
http://www.timboucher.com/images/Bush_alien.jpg
May 12th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
He did. I also asked him if he was aware of any instance where Russell’s weight affected his play. No answer.
But hey, I don’t think it’s requred that Reporters tell bedtime stories to fans every night either.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Man, even Clinton kissed up to the aliens:
http://gregbardsley.files.wordpress.com/2007/08/clinton_alien.jpg
May 12th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
In fact he went on to say Russell moves well, takes long strides and covers a lot of ground, so…..
May 12th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Nap time/out.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Vegas,
Great point, I forgot about KK’s question!!
Sands!!!
By the way KK, that was a great Question.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Do you guys think that after Al Davis dies, all these other sports writers that diss Al will turn it around and talk about all the great things he did for the NFL?
May 12th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
KK,
lol
Enjoy your nap. lol
May 12th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
. . . bottom line is that people who comment on this blog and the media at large seize on certain things while ignoring others.
Jerry McDonald
May 12th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
See Ya!
Go Raiders,
GO Lakers!
May 12th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Oh man Beecham is going to have a field day with KoolKell and his nap at 3 pm.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
even Jerry thinks bob is a clown….classic
May 12th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
So do we all root for Jamarcus to completely fall on his face in the hopes that he “gets it” after that or do we hope he continues to improve while putting in “the minimum” amount of work?
Which is the better scenario for the long-term? Short-term?
May 12th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Dakota says,
what about your favorite president meeting aliens?
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I thought that was his mom. Oh yeah, Hubert Walker had her picture put on the one dollar bill,lol.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
I wanna see Jerry’s post about T Brown that puts MR in his racist, delusional place.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
cant believe jerry amused norco bob with that last question
May 12th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
TW,
Take it from someone who has had a few battles with MR over time, it’s just better to ignore him. I swear he takes notes on things, he will remember everything you said and we won’t for him because, well, we have lives. He than will try to antagonize you at all costs, and generally will just try to piss you off all the time, and to his credit he is pretty good at it. He is not worth the effort to get try to get through to him.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Good advice,vegas raider, I don’t engage him AT ALL. But I throw in the truth about him all the time. He is not a Raider fan.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
# vegas raider Says:
May 12th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
So do we all root for Jamarcus to completely fall on his face in the hopes that he “gets it” after that or do we hope he continues to improve while putting in “the minimum” amount of work?
Which is the better scenario for the long-term? Short-term?
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How about continues to improve and eventually matures to the point where he “gets it”.
As much as his limited commitment irritates me, I hate to see him fall flat on his face. The NFL QB position is so volatile, it’s possible he’d never recover.
May 12th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
I’m holding out hope this Slade Norris guy pans out. Being a Pac-10 guy, you can’t help but like how the Beavers play the game. Always out-classed in talent, but they gel and play as a team and often beat teams that end up having way more NFL-caliber players on them.
Here’s hoping a little of that Beavers “team-first” attitude rubs off in Alameda.
May 13th, 2009 at 7:29 am
I am not a Javon Walker fan but I have a gut feeling if he stays healthy (big if) and does not visit Vegas and get beat down (and if he does visit Vegas Vegas Raider it is your job to kick his butt back to CA.) I have a gut feeling he has enough ego to have a productive season this year. Hopefully, he wil have a chip on his shoulder.
I don’t know if Arman Shields is going to cut the mustard or not.
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