From Hall of Fame to Hall of shame
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, May 18th, 2009 at 11:07 am in Oakland Raiders.
Redskins cornerback DeAngelo Hall had these thoughts about his eight-game, $8 million stay in Oakland in an interview with WJFK in Washington, D.C., courtesy of sportsradiointerviews.com:
Hall’s thoughts on being out of Oakland:
Hall: Oh, it’s a weight off my shoulders, just that whole situation out there and the way they did things. I’m not knocking it but it wasn’t what I was accustomed to, what I was used to, and I just started just not caring like a bunch of other guys, you know. It kind of rubs off on you. They say you go to Oakland as a player to die..You can definitely go there and have fun towards the end of your career, but to go there during the prime of your career, that’s just not a place you want to be. I felt the same when I was out of there – just a sigh of relief to get out of there.
The funniest Al Davis story from his time in Oakland?
Hall: Probably the funniest thing, I was pretty close to Lane Kiffin…and after they fired Lane and were about to announce who the next coach was – I don’t know if you guys saw this in the media world, but I was actually sitting there live, me and a couple other players there in the back. And [Davis] went through this whole spiel of what happened…and said our next coach is Tom Cable, he’s going to be our interim coach. When everybody paused for Tom to come in, like a breakoff. [Davis] goes to the media guide and not even whispering says ‘hey, anyone got any information on this Tom Cable guy, I don’t know where he comes from.’ That’s just vintage Al Davis. Making a move, not really knowing why, no real justification for doing it. But just saying, ‘hey, I want this guy, let’s get him, I’ll figure everything else out later.’ And that’s just how Al Davis is.
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May 18th, 2009 at 11:10 am
I think all of us fans felt a weight come off our shoulders when you left town too Deangelo.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:10 am
wow, hope that’s not true
May 18th, 2009 at 11:16 am
If you combine the records of the Redskins and Raiders pre and post Deangelo you get: 9-7 without him and 4-12 with him.
An overrated bum.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:20 am
repost Double R,
Teams know Fargas will be 3rd on the depth chart behind McFadden & Bush.
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That might be so in Oakland but what about some other teams he might not be worth that much in terms of “deemed value to us” but deemed value to another team two weeks into the pr-season and a brandon jacobs gets hurt or a steven jackson…then fargas might be 3rd on our Depth chart but could start on a few other teams barring injury…….
May 18th, 2009 at 11:21 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Tk3L5l-EyU
May 18th, 2009 at 11:21 am
“Making a move, not really knowing why, no real justification for doing it.”
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Sounds like a description of how Deangelo plays DB.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:22 am
wow, hope that’s not true……
unfourntately i think it was…….
May 18th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Can’t Stand
An earlier post quoting NFL.com said some nice things about the Raiders but closed by saying we are not yet ready to compete with the NFL elite.
My optimistic side says that we are building the team from the outside in with elite skill talent as a result of our high draft positions. Next year as we approach 8-8 will will focus on line talent to finish the puzzle and become a playoff caliber team.
Today’s reality is that Mitchell is a DB and will not impact our poor run defense.
Kelly,Sands,Warren,Joseph and Boschetti are castoffs and under achievers and Marshall can only hope we can control the ball on offense more than we did last year.
We have some promise at DE but they are projects and Burgess is hurt too often to be considered a force.
Barnes, Satele and Pears were all deemed expendable by other NFL teams. We may be bit better than last year especially with Neal but we will get dominated by strong defensive lines.
The Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Chargers and Titans invested about 70% of their first and second round picks on the offensive and defensive lines.
Until we do that we will not materially change the face of this team.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:25 am
BHP is that you?????
May 18th, 2009 at 11:26 am
“Making a move, not really knowing why, no real justification for doing it.”
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Sounds like a description of how Deangelo plays DB.
LMFAO!!!!!!!LMFAO!!!!!!
all I can see when Im reading this is Hall turned around on MNF like hes never seen a post pattern b4!!!LMFAO!!!!!!
May 18th, 2009 at 11:28 am
LOL nice word play Jerry Mac I’m a little slow……
From Hall of Fame to Hall of shame……
May 18th, 2009 at 11:32 am
MeAngelo
May 18th, 2009 at 11:40 am
That’s just vintage Al Davis. Making a move, not really knowing why, no real justification for doing it.
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Oh, I think he knows why he did it.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:47 am
inonewordraider Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 11:10 am
wow, hope that’s not true
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I think there is video of it out there in cyberspace somewhere.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:47 am
Eddie Royal schooled DeAngelo Hall. Brandon Marshall was suspended that game.
Chris Johnson faced Royal when Denver had Marshall and shut him down!
CJ replacing Hall was a huge weight off Raider fans’ shoulders.
Hall said “I was pretty close to Lane Kiffin” …
Davis said Lane brought in DeAngelo and nobody believed him. Anybody think maybe Lane did want him here? Obviously Davis didn’t or he wouldn’t have canned him mid season, while keeping other scholarship players like Sam Williams and Justin Fargas at a much cheaper cost!
May 18th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Link posted at #5. Al did say it.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:50 am
hall said all i needed to hear.“ and I just started just not caring like a bunch of other guys, you know. It kind of rubs off on you“.get all the players left over with that attitude off the team.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Sun. Dec. 13: him and his Deadskins will get lit up. that’s if he’s still on the team by that point
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David White puts it like this:
Sunday, Dec. 13: vs. Redskins … DeAngelo Hall vs. Javon Walker in megabust match.
LOL
DHB is gonna light him up like a Christmas tree. He’s from Maryland and a bunch of his friends & family will be watching the game
May 18th, 2009 at 11:52 am
The real tragedy of the Hall situation was that our management was so inept that they actually believed Hall could play man to man.
Might want to scout a player before trading a 2nd and 5th for a guy that can’t play in your system.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:53 am
get all the players left over with that attitude off the team.
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we did. thier names were Lane Kiffin, Rob Ryan, Ronald Curry, Kwame Harris, Kalimba Edwards & Gibril Wilson!
May 18th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Ron Wolf for HOF.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:56 am
RaiderRockstar ,
there`s more than that.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
I can’t wait for Trevor Scott to go off on Lameston Walker…
From PFW:
Although much banter has been spent on star OLT Jason Peters’ departure from Buffalo, the Bills are considerably more concerned about their ORT situation than the happenings at left tackle. They feel comfortable with converted ORT Langston Walker handling OLT duties, but they are still very unsure as to which candidate can best fill in on the right side.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
get all the players left over with that attitude off the team.
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we did.
thier names were Lane Kiffin, Greg Knapp, James Cregg, Rob Ryan, Don Martindale, Keith Millard, Tui, Justin Griffith, Ronald Curry, Ashley Lelie, Drew Carter, Jake Grove, Kwame Harris, Fred Wakefield, Kalimba Edwards, Robert Thomas, Rashad Baker & Gibril Wilson!
is that better blackdeath29 ???
May 18th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Of course, we may lose if he blocks each of Jano’s six FG tries…
May 18th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
get all the players left over with that attitude off the team.
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we did.
thier names were Lane Kiffin, Greg Knapp, James Cregg, Rob Ryan, Don Martindale, Keith Millard, Tui, Justin Griffith, Ronald Curry, Ashley Lelie, Drew Carter, Jake Grove, Kwame Harris, Fred Wakefield, Kalimba Edwards, Robert Thomas, Rashad Baker & Gibril Wilson!
is that better blackdeath29 ???
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Don’t forget James “the Gimp” Lofton. Technically he’s still there, but Al keeps him locked up in the basement.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Grove,Wakefield,Baker, and Griffith don’t deserve to be on that list!
May 18th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
since Hall was a Kiffin guy you have to wonder if Kiffin was instrumental in bring him to the team KNOWING he was a zone player instead of a system fit man corner.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Grove,Wakefield,Baker, and Griffith don’t deserve to be on that list!
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Wakefild!!!! He’s right bro this guy even played back up TE and DT/DE/O-line man i think!!!
May 18th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
lefty12: that’s EXACTLY what i’m thinking …
May 18th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
The real tragedy of the Hall situation was that our management was so inept that they actually believed Hall could play man to man.
Might want to scout a player before trading a 2nd and 5th for a guy that can’t play in your system.
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I drink the strongest Kool-aid in The O but couldn’t agree more with this statement…….
May 18th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Lefty,
Since Al knew he was going to fire Kiffin back in February of 2008 and was sacrificing the 2008 season to build a case against Kiffin, I seriously doubt Al let Kiffin pull the trigger on the D. Hall deal. That was an Al Davis move. Al didn’t even allow Kiffin any say in the 2008 draft, so why would he let Kiffin make a trade that cost Al a shiiteload of money and draft picks? I can’t buy your theory…but I like it. Kiffin trades for Hall knowing Hall will suck and Ryan will look even worse…muhahahaha
Kiffin was a dead man walking by the time that trade went down.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
No doubt Rob Ryan signed off on this, being the incompetent loaf he is.
Dakota Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 11:52 am
The real tragedy of the Hall situation was that our management was so inept that they actually believed Hall could play man to man.
Might want to scout a player before trading a 2nd and 5th for a guy that can’t play in your system.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
lefty12 Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
since Hall was a Kiffin guy you have to wonder if Kiffin was instrumental in bring him to the team KNOWING he was a zone player instead of a system fit man corner.
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Kiffin wanted Hall as a gift to his Dad, who he thought would become the new D coord running the TB zone system.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
I’m new to posting here and both my posts have been deleted. are we not allowed to use yiddish slang or feminine hygiene products to describe sour grapes busts?
May 18th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
DeWho? fukk that coward
Charlie (if you still here), we went to the SB with BSims. I dont even know if he was a late pick or FA, but one of them he was. numerous LTs drafted b4 Gallery went to play G for us becaUSE of him.
the reason i harp on the LT pos is we run the ball well already and “just” need to find that reliable guy that can be trusted one-on-one for the most parts of the passing game out there and I think we got that in Barnes (I’d take him over any LT drafted this past draft xcept ASmith! he didnt want to be in Jacksonville where the cops had a bullseye on him because he acted up while getting screened, thats why he was available, imo, not because he cant play). he has talent, and nobody was complaining about him when he kept Gerrard clean during his carreer season two years ago. he is young and proven.
so is Pears. these guys have a good chance to start. and be good
look at how our CB position is not even an issue with the 29 year old CJ jsut taking it opposite Nnam, making that money. Carlisle was a castoff also if I remember so you just never know how things work out in this league. the physicality makes it unpredictable. you get beat up on one team and just put it together on the next. as long as you can keep up athletically you can succeed imo
so regarding the defense, we showed up a couple of times and shut down and dominated good teams, which means we can get it done with what we got, but not on a consistent basis. CC recognized this and brought the teaching he saw needed as RR couldnt even keep the big guys from playing with good leverage (thats why they would be doing HS stuff as THow mentioned during the rooki-camp). CC as a OLine coach saw firsthand what type of talent we had at DL and if he didnt like what he saw he would get AD to make a change if it was hopeless, like in DeAngelos or Gibrils case.
and MM—>IMPACT. he is ready physically. just compare HUffs and his shoulders. as soon as he knows where to line up, it on.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Just placed my for first B-Ball bet in a good month or so. Nuggets to win the series +210.
Knowing the way my hoops picks were this year, this might be the best possible news for Lakers fans, LOL.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Yippee another Priest!
Yiddish slang yes, fem hygiene or cracking on obama not allowed.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Paraphrasing Norco Bob:
“DeAngelo, you’re a weak little man.”
May 18th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
LOL…….only if the m-d is out of so called…..1726354……feminine hygiene products …….
May 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
# Twocents Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Paraphrasing Norco Bob:
“DeAngelo, you’re a weak little man.”
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LMAO
May 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
LMFAO. Hall sounds like a bitter little bee otch that is upset at a team that basically said “get the Fark out”. The ONLY fact of this matter is HALL SUCKED!! He can say whatever he want, but a rookie burned his arse on Monday night football. How bout them apples?
May 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
It’s amazing how some of you still refuses to blame Kiffin for bringing in Hall. Sure Al signed off on it but it DOESNT REMOVE THE FACT THAT KIFFIN LOBBIED FOR HIM. Kiffin wanted him to play tampa 2. Al wants man. Al’s dumb mistake was believing allowing Kitten to bring this clown in town. You hear straight from Hall that he was tight with Kitten yet you still yap yap about how Al brought this guy in. Grow up for once.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
so it’s ok to call DH a “shmucksucker” but not a “c*cksucker”, even when I use the star instead of the “o”?
May 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
I don’t believe the Al Cable story, he sounds bitter!!!
I’m Glad you are not a Raider MeAngelo!!!
May 18th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Wakefield? doesnt he have SB-ring with the Jints?
May 18th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
D.Hall is a funny man, he got exposed by his own teammate. Asomugha is an Elite Shutdown Corner. D.Hall is a Nickel DB at best who has “some” punt return skills. B**** please
May 18th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
I am very disappointed in the ND crowd…I though maybe someone would throw a box of condoms at Obama during his speech, lol.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Kiffin and Hall getting the axe was one of the best things to happen to the Raiders in YEARS….
May 18th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Nuggets are going to PUNK the Flakers. The Flakers are as soft as DeCrapalo Hall.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Alisgod,
They are ALL to blame for bringing in D Hall. Kiffin, Ryan, and Davis.
Problem is the buck stops at AL’s desk.
The end.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
alisgod Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
It’s amazing how some of you still refuses to blame Kiffin for bringing in Hall. Sure Al signed off on it but it DOESNT REMOVE THE FACT THAT KIFFIN LOBBIED FOR HIM.
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Is that really a fact? Post the link that says that.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
What’s up nation?
Hall was the worst CB I have seen with the Raiders, even C Love was better.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Its not a star its an asterik, maybe thats your problem?
priest Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
so it’s ok to call DH a “shmucksucker” but not a “c*cksucker”, even when I use the star instead of the “o”?
May 18th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Even Najee Mustafa and Larry Brown were better.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
I dont watch “Redskin” football unless they are playing Oakland or on prime time TV but dont they plan man 2 man def?
May 18th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Dude,
Even I know that Al wanted Hall!!
May 18th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
even chris carr……
May 18th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Al is pretty old, im sure he just wanted some press info on Cable to help him in his Press conference. ESPN really stands for Eastern Sports Political News. They don’t care about the West Coast.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Even Fabian Washington is better than D Hall….oops!
May 18th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Some parts of the article Jerry just “happened” to not include. Coincidence?
If you’re not really a fan of DeAngelo Hall or the teams he has played on, you might agree with the assessment that the Redskins cornerback is one of the luckiest players in the National Football League. By lucky, I mean this: how could a dude really fool front office executives not just once but twice into overpaying him. First it was in Oakland, who ended up paying Hall $8 million dollars in 2008 for just 8 games of Hall’s services.
After the fiasco there, Hall was on a one-year modest contract that actually required him to, um, step up and play like a player who’s trying to get paid. Well, he got paid again this offseason by the ‘Skins, who of course, were easily convinced that Hall was worth $23 million dollars of guaranteed money.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
no Dakota.at that point in time if Kiffin would have STFU and did his job he wasn’t going to be fired.but he kept pushing the buttons.he might have wanted out and that is partially the point.he wanted Hall to screw the team KNOWING he was a zone corner and the Raiders would play man.another knife in our backs.might not be true,but a possibility.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Who is Najee?
May 18th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Even Phillip Buchannon is better than No D Hall.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
# lefty12 Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
no Dakota.at that point in time if Kiffin would have STFU and did his job he wasn’t going to be fired.but he kept pushing the buttons.he might have wanted out and that is partially the point.he wanted Hall to screw the team KNOWING he was a zone corner and the Raiders would play man.another knife in our backs.might not be true,but a possibility.
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Dang man, you are a serious conspiracy theorist. I thought I was the one who hated Kiffin the most on this blog.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Mista,
Hall played nickel and dime for the Skins last year…if they do play man to man and expect him to move into a starting spot because of his big contract they are in for a big surprise…a surprise that might fit in the 15 yard cushion Hall likes to give WRs!
May 18th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
# Raider O Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Who is Najee?
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WTF? You don’t remember Najee Mustafa? Are you a young Raiders fan? must be….. NM… Google it.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
who cares who lobbied for him. he was a coward (I defended, at first, because of his strained hand and the “perception” I had on his game).
why would a CB line up at safety-depth, lyrically right next to the safety in any coverage is what i want to know frm this guy.
and how the hell did he made the PB? how?
May 18th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Dakota,
At some point, you should stop being a b:tch ok? Al said Kitten lobbied for him. You refused to buy that. Now you hear that Hall and Kiffin was real tight directly from Hall. Yet you still whine and refuses to blame Kitten for any of this. The point is you idiot Kitten lovers at some point should wake up and realizes that he was a bad apple for our team. At some point, you should wake up to the fact taht all he wanted was an nfl HC on his resume.
My fact comes direclty from Al Davis with supporting evidence by Hall. Where do you get your fact that Hall was not recruited by Kitten? dumb a$$
May 18th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
OTAs on the way
The Raiders open Organized Team Activities on Tuesday, going three times a week for four weeks.
Media access comes on Wednesdays only. Here are a few things we’ll be watching for.
Passing game: Practically everyone agrees the vertical game was unpolished as can be during the mandatory minicamp, with much of it involving JaMarcus Russell’s accuracy issues.
It’s too simplistic to write it off as Russell throwing to new receivers. There’s only two new guys he threw to in team drills, and Louis Murphy and Darrius Heyward-Bey missed almost half the practices.
If people want to say it’s just May, then they need to temper whatever positive comes out of Russell by saying it’s just May.
If he throws right and a receiver runs left, that can be blamed on learning new elements of the playbook. When he overthrows out of bounds on a basic deep route or underthrows a simple screen pass by several feet, that’s a problem with accuracy.
It is not the end of the world. But, if this is to be the start of a new era, Russell needs to iron this stuff out now in OTAs. Training camp isn’t the time or place to learn how to aim. If it’s merely a mechanical issue, expect quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett to have it fixed by then.
So, all eyes will be on Russell, as they should be with a No. 1 draft pick heading into his third season (and no, he doesn’t get a free pass for killing his rookie year with a holdout).
Rookie class: Heyward-Bey, Murphy and safety Mike Mitchell couldn’t get through minicamp because of hamstring cramps and fatigue. Mind you, these guys did college two-a-days during August in Ohio, Maryland and Florida.
Write it off to rookie jitters, playbook overload or whatever. Time to settle down and show flashes of better things to come.
Heyward-Bey and Mitchell have a job and will be given time to grow into their role. Murphy is the one who must make an impact now, and here’s why.
The Raiders will carry no more than six receivers. The locks are DHB, Chaz Schilens and Johnnie Lee Higgins. Like it or not, Javon Walker gets a fourth spot if healthy because of the guaranteed money in his deal. The race is on for the other two spots, with Murphy fighting against Jonathan Holland, Todd Watkins and Samie Parker.
Murphy should win one of the spots, but if injuries become a problem, he could become this year’s Arman Shields.
Hot seat: The Raiders almost always drop a former starter between minicamp and training camp. Last year, it was Stuart Schweigert and LaMont Jordan. The year before, Courtney Anderson comes to mind.
So, who better make the team now?
Defensive tackle Terdell Sands was all too unnoticeable at minicamp. If free-agent pickup Ryan Boschetti impresses enough, Sands becomes expendable.
Right tackle Cornell Green is getting first-team snaps, but Erik Pears will get a chance to show what he can do — and don’t forget the very real chance Mario Henderson or Khalif Barnes gets bumped over from the left side. Green should get a look in camp, but you never know.
Quarterback Andrew Walter, not that he’ll complain. He is in the doghouse as it stands by not attending the quarterbacks school. If he doesn’t show for voluntary OTAs, then that could be the end of that. Then again, maybe this is what Walter wants — a chance to start anew elsewhere rather than play third-string here.
Michael Huff always merits consideration, though he’s more likely to go through camp before that decision comes.
-David White (SF Chronicle)
May 18th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Even Stanford R is better than Hall!! lol
May 18th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Lefty, I hope someday Kiffin writes a book and admits that if it is true, because that would go down in football lore as one of the sneakiest moves in history.
From what I have seen of Kiffin at Tenn., I seriously doubt he is capable of such a deceptive undertaking.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Patrick Bates & Derrick Gibson were better DB’s than D Hall
May 18th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Even John Bowie, Michael Waddell and Jason Horton are better CB’s than D Hall!
May 18th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Najee Mustafaa played when we still had T.Mac and A.Lewis and Eric Allen. That guys was terrible.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Even Tory James is better than No D Hall.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
vegas raider Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Just placed my for first B-Ball bet in a good month or so. Nuggets to win the series +210.
Knowing the way my hoops picks were this year, this might be the best possible news for Lakers fans, LOL.
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That seals it…Lakers in a sweep.
Nuggets = .500 team on the road.
May 18th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Oh thats right… and he was the reason that Atlanta went from the trashcan to the playoffs right?
Oh wait… that is why they got rid of him before going to the post season.
How did the Skins end the season… I forgot… I know they were off to a very good start, got Hall and how did they finish up?
He was a never was / never will be
May 18th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Lionel Washington could suit up today and be a better CB than MeAngelo Hall
May 18th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Again, if you combine the records of the Redskins and Raiders in 2008 pre and post Deangelo you get: 9-7 without him and 4-12 with him. The Falcons and Raiders D get immediately better after he left, while the Redskins record got worse when he arrived.
That’s all you need to know about the man.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Trey Wingo was a better CB in college than D Hall
May 18th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Einstein-i was a big Kiffin supporter when he first got here.after i saw his childish act for a year and a half that changed.and after watching him since he left i dislike him more ever time he acts like a fool again.as far as being a conspiracy theorist-you’re damned right i am.i’ve followed this team and the NFL too long to not be.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Einstein,
I can’t remember him!!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
D.Hall couldn’t COVER peanut butter on a piece of bread,even if the peanut butter was melted!!
Good Riddance!!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Einstein, sorry.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Siddeeq Shabazz, Darnell Bing & Eric Frampton were better DB’s than DeAngelo Hall!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Ok, I want in! Torin Dorn was better than D.Hall!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
The man played great for 3 quarters against the Bills, and then completely fell apart in the fourth quarter against them. Remember the pass inside 10 yards for a TD, when Deangelo lined up about 5 yards deep in the end zone, they guy ran a simple slant and caught the easiest TD of his life?
May 18th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
I cannot think of another more OVERRATED FOOTBALL PLAYER THAN HALL.
With rookies you dont get to see them play in the nfl, so you make guesses and hedge your bet.
With Hall you saw him play, you saw him get toasted in ATL, in Oakland, and yet still get those big contracts….
I can’t believe I actually supported this guy at one point.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Keyon Nash , Raymond Perryman & Derek Combs were better DB’s than DeAngelo Hall!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
# lefty12 Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Einstein-i was a big Kiffin supporter when he first got here.after i saw his childish act for a year and a half that changed.and after watching him since he left i dislike him more ever time he acts like a fool again.as far as being a conspiracy theorist-you’re damned right i am.i’ve followed this team and the NFL too long to not be.
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I feel you my Raider brother..
My hate for Kiffin is diminishing. Dude just keeps making himself look more like a moron. It’s getting rather sad now watching him make a fool of himself.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
James Trapp & Calvin Branch were better DB’s than MeAngelo Hall!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
James Trapp is pushing it RaiderRockstar!!!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Pope was a better DB than Hall!!!!!!!!!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Stu Schweigert is a better DB than Hall.top that haters.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
James Trapp was hella fast!!!!!
and thats about it….
May 18th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
You guys can’t top that. POPE!!!
I win!!! LMAO
May 18th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
John Bowie is a better CB than HALL.
HAHAHAH TOP THAT ONE FELLAS.!!!!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
I win.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Against the Falcons, on the opening drive, they go deep on him down the side-line, and instead of trying to make a play on the ball, he pulls a “Ginobili” and just flails his arms and body in an attempt to try to draw an offensive pass interference call. No flag, easy TD.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
troy brown…a WR fools! I WIN!!!!LOL!!!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
How bout Dan Land?
May 18th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Einstein,
LMAO
But I still win, no one is as bad as M Pope.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Mike Harden was better than No D Hall.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Lorenzo Lynch?
May 18th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
# CantstandtheHaters Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
troy brown…a WR fools! I WIN!!!!LOL!!!
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Nope, you have to stick with Raiders. RePlaytriots don’t count.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
The sad truth in all this is AL let all this garbage go on in his house…Kiffin, Ryan, FA signings, coaches coming and going. Its all a dam shame!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
The end.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Denard Walker
May 18th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Elivs “Toast” Patterson was even better …
May 18th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
M Pope, Hall, Love, and L Brown are the worst DBs to ever play for the Raiders.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
anthony dorsett is better then d hall!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
David Fulcher…
May 18th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
oh, i missed that one.
well Marques POPE wins then.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Denard, what if your first name was Denard?
May 18th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Nards, another name for balls.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Eric Crouch was a better d back………..than Meangle hot dog down the hall.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Carl Kidd….
May 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Lenny Walls was a better DB than DeAngelo Falls
May 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
If I woulda been on his team, I woulda called him 1 Nut
May 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
everyone knows Davis SIGNS all the players.the question is who lobbied for him to trade for Hall?you can say Davis wanted him,while i say Kiffin wanted him.there is really no way of knowing for sure.kind of like the half empty/half full glass argument.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Bruce Pickens….
May 18th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Though they weren’t DB’s, even Donald Hollas and Leo Araguz would have, and probably still are, better DB’s than DeCan’tPlayMangelo
May 18th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Even Cole Ford is probably still a better DB.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Al likes to take credit for signing good players and likes to delegate blame for the bad player signings.
Al is already setting Tom Cable up just in case DHB and Mitchell are flops.
Al: Hey Tom, these are the names of the players we picked today, now you go on TV and tell everyone how much you loved them and how you think they fit your system.
Tom: Sir yes sir!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
duane starks and tyrone poole were better db’s for the raiders than Hall!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
actually Pope played well most of the time.his biggest flaw was he was an ex-whiner.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Perry Carter…
May 18th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Jay Schroeder
May 18th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Siddeeq Shabazz
May 18th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Bucky Brooks and Marquis Walker.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Darrien Gordon, Marcus Ray, and Johnny Harris.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
OTAs will start tomorrow. I think:
Chaz will look great, and he will be the starter.
DHB will drop a few more catches.
Frantz Joseph will impress the coaches, and he will be our backup MLB for now!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Al already has a resignation letter ready for Cable. Hererra is already denying the reports..
Jeanette Thompson is a better man 2 man cb than D Hall.
The end.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Brandon Jennings
May 18th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Perry Carter
May 18th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
lol at Jeanette Thompson…
How bout Run Run?
May 18th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Derrick Crudup
May 18th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Terrance Shaw
May 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Marques Anderson and “Blown Play” Ray Buchannan
May 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Pope was the guy out of position when Trent Dilfer was backed up against the goal line (3rd & 9 I think) and hit Shannon Sharpe for 80 somethin yards to ice the game.
Fk Pope!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Garry Lewis
May 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Dakota-when it comes to Davis,you are right there with MR and we know your views are always going to be anti Davis.i just wonder what you guys are going to do IF,and it is a huge IF,all these young guys and Cable turn things around.IF we go say 11-5 will you still complain because we didn’t win the big one or will you be satisfied that we are improving like you now say you’d like us to be?
May 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Lamar Lyons
May 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
my man Jarrod Cooper.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Pope was the guy out of position when Trent Dilfer was backed up against the goal line (3rd & 9 I think) and hit Shannon Sharpe for 80 somethin yards to ice the game.
Fk Pope!
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Pope and Dorsett
May 18th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Dont laugh @ Jeanette Thompson thats my babies momma!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Keyon Nash
May 18th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Joseph said : to play for the Raiders, you need to have one of two things. You have to be fast or nasty. I’m not fast, but I’m really nasty. I’m a nice guy, but on the field I’m trying to hurt you!! I’m a real student of the game, and I love to play football.
I like this kid a lot!!!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Renaldo Hill
May 18th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Tahaun Lewis
May 18th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Reggie Tongue
May 18th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Mista,
I think it was 3rd and 14. And the genius that was Breshanhan, blitzed our best cover guy, C-Wood, leaving Pope on an island on a hall of famer. Throw in the typical Dorsett awful angle, and there you have it.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Brandon Jennings
May 18th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Michael Huff and Tyrone Poole
May 18th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
156-you wish!!!!!!!!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
B.J. Ward
May 18th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Gibril Wilson and Michael Waddel
May 18th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Bresanhan gets a pass in my eyes because he blitzed C Wood on the famous tuck play, that took balls!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Sorry 3rd and 18. What the hell was Breshnahan doing, play the “sticks” D and get the ball back in good field condition.
Nope, he blitzes and gets exposed.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
C-Wood was a great blitzer, just not on 3rd and 18.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
everyone biotches because RR never blitzed yet now you are biotching because Bresnahan did blitz.why am i not surprised?
May 18th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
I rather be aggressive and get beat than go the Rob Ryan route where you give up chunks of yardage through the air and on the ground and other team marches down the field 90 yards and puts a dagger in your heart.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
I agree Mista.
That tuck play was great, but the NFL did it again, and cheated the Raiders out if another PO win.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
I’ll take Bresnahan over Ryan anytime.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
# Raider O Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
I agree Mista.
That tuck play was great, but the NFL did it again, and cheated the Raiders out if another PO win.
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Gruden’s play calling and the fact he didn’t go for it on that 4th and short play is what ultimately lost the game. The tuck rule was messed up indeed though…
May 18th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
It wasn’t the scheme, it was the 2 idiot Ss in the secondary that f&$@ that play.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Just when I thought the Raiders couldn’t become more of a farce. Al Davis’ goblet of ridiculousness is officially full, if not already dribbling over into his lap towel. I don’t even feel bad for Cable. He is a clown for accepting a role with such an inevitably tragic ending. Al Davis is a fool, Tom Cable is a fool, and we are all fools for believing that this team can win under such miserable leadership.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Just when I thought the Raiders couldn’t become more of a farce. Al Davis’ goblet of ridiculousness is officially full, if not already dribbling over into his lap towel. I don’t even feel bad for Cable. He is a clown for accepting a role with such an inevitably tragic ending. Al Davis is a fool, Tom Cable is a fool, and we are all fools for believing that this team can win under such miserable leadership.
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Then jump ship sweetheart. You obviously don’t have what it takes to hang on anyway… The Patriots are a safe pick right now, go be a fan of them….. We don’t need softies like you anyhow. Later.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
****THE STATE OF THE RAIDERS – IT IS LONG BUT SO WERE THE LAST 5 YEARS. PLEASE READ RAIDER NATION****
First of all let me say YES, I think there is dysfunction within the Raiders organization. Now with this being said, I also think there is dysfunction in my own family but I don’t want to stop claiming them as my family because of it. Every team out there has some issues within the organization. Unfortunately, I think the Raiders bar was raised so high because they dominated for so many years by knocking someone’s block off or killing them with the deep ball. Now that we have been humbled for the last 5+ yrs or so they are taking there hits on the great Raider franchise (ESPN takes a shot every time they can). In addition, Al Davis being seen as a maverick in the NFL and so close to Hollywood does not help in the eyes of the media. Now that he is starting to age they love to paint the character of a crazy old man who is just to out of touch.
Al may have made those comments about Cable but it seemed to me taken out of context. For example, I know my coworkers strengths on the job but I don’t recall every day where they went to college, what state they lived in what company they were at before they came to my company. But I do know there strengths and weaknesses to do their job. This could have been one of those situations. Let me also add I like the Raiders under Tom Cable than Kiffin. Cable is talking about getting things accomplished and Kiffin is racking up violations at Tenn. still making excuse for his action (Davis does not look that crazy now). The facts tell the story. Time and time agin the facts tell the story. The Raiders need to get better and win, Al needs help managing the team to be successful.
Hall could have stopped in the interview when he said he was close to Kiffin. That blew his whole credibility. Hall’s game was terrible; he was totally exposed in Denver’s passing game. His whole play with the Raiders was an inconsistent embarrassment. Hall is the type of guy that will point fingers where ever he will go. When Hall signed his contract he went on and on about how knowledgeable Al Davis was and how it was a pleasure to spend so many hours with him.
I am starting to think that Al has been too generous to guys like Hall, Walker, Porter, Sands, Moss – Heck even Sapp. He Gave these problem children a chance to perform at the highest level with the highest pay check (not only for themselves but their families)and they reward him by bad mouthing him to the media to keep their egos in the news paper. To me Al has been out of date by thinking he can pay athletes and enourmous amount of many, say great things about them and they would reward him with loyalty. It takes certain athletes to leave it all on the field each Sunday like the Jim Otto’s, Art Shell’s, Rod Woodsons, Ronnie Lotts. In addition, Al thought these athletes were family and would leave all of their issues in the locker room not anymore with twitter, youtube and email. “He said, he said” gets out to the public at the speed of light. Not to mention how people get rewarded for the negative. The crazier you act the more attention you get. In the past “crazy” athletes with skill has worked for Al now it is working aginst him.
I am a Tim Brown fan but with his after the fact clarification that he felt Al was not a racist, makes you wonder his motives. As a person of color you know what type of damage “racism and employer” in the same conversation can do to someone with Al’s status. Why would you bring it up so loosely over radio? You think enough of this man to work for him yet you bring up racism in conversation with his name knowing how the media turns things.
So with this all being said I think Al Davis and Cable are starting to change the ship by looking for not only wonderful athletes for a system but guys with character to match as well. We have had ability on this team just not heart. Sadly enough the veterns on the Raider team came across as more disruptive than the rookies on the sideline. I am excited about the young guys on this team. I hope they do well being humble and getting the job done on Sunday.
Al may not be the best guy on the planet but he gives away money and compliments like Santa Clause on the 25th. You think that would account for more respect than he gets from certain players who leave this team.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
I’m sorry a 3rd and 18 blitz, sending your best cover guy and surest tackler no less, it just plain stupid. To no suprise, it didn’t work.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Einstein,
I agree. Sometimes his play calling was too conservative.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Fooling people with hype and then cheating them out of their money is the essence of capitalism. MeAngelo is therefore a standard bearer, although unlike the Wall St thieves who beg to be bailed out, MeAngelo simply bails on his coverage.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
It was a combination of B-More calling the perfect play, us not disguising the blitz, and out of position safetys.
Even if C Wood didnt blitz Sharpe wouldn’t have been his responsibility. Perfect call B-More!
The end.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
lefty12 Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Dakota-when it comes to Davis,you are right there with MR and we know your views are always going to be anti Davis.i just wonder what you guys are going to do IF,and it is a huge IF,all these young guys and Cable turn things around.IF we go say 11-5 will you still complain because we didn’t win the big one or will you be satisfied that we are improving like you now say you’d like us to be?
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I’ll shine Mr. Davis’ sho3s and shave Tom Cable’s back if we go 11-5.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Good afternoon M, how are you?
May 18th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Just when I thought the Raiders couldn’t become more of a farce. Al Davis’ goblet of ridiculousness is officially full, if not already dribbling over into his lap towel. I don’t even feel bad for Cable. He is a clown for accepting a role with such an inevitably tragic ending. Al Davis is a fool, Tom Cable is a fool, and we are all fools for believing that this team can win under such miserable leadership.
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You believe everything you read sweetie? You are as soft as DeAngelo.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Just when I thought the Raiders couldn’t become more of a farce. Al Davis’ goblet of ridiculousness is officially full, if not already dribbling over into his lap towel. I don’t even feel bad for Cable. He is a clown for accepting a role with such an inevitably tragic ending. Al Davis is a fool, Tom Cable is a fool, and we are all fools for believing that this team can win under such miserable leadership.
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Then jump ship sweetheart. You obviously don’t have what it takes to hang on anyway… The Patriots are a safe pick right now, go be a fan of them….. We don’t need softies like you anyhow. Later.
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I can’t jump ship because I am a fool like you. Been a fool for twenty-three years. I wouldn’t call that soft. By the way, if your going to call yourself a Raider’ fan, I suggest you change your moniker. Or, perhaps that is supposed to be some ironic joke.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Dakota,
What about 10-6, what would you do then?? lol
May 18th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
I don’t know if we should call it the “perfect play” by B-More. It was a short pass over the middle that should have netted 6 yards and more room to punt out of their own end zone. I doubt they schemed that Pope would think he is playing flag-football and Dorsett would be going 120 MPH to nowhere.
Of course, if Dorsett just makes the tackle, it is all a moot point.
Man he was awful too. Who was worse Stu or Dorsett?
May 18th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Just when I thought the Raiders couldn’t become more of a farce. Al Davis’ goblet of ridiculousness is officially full, if not already dribbling over into his lap towel. I don’t even feel bad for Cable. He is a clown for accepting a role with such an inevitably tragic ending. Al Davis is a fool, Tom Cable is a fool, and we are all fools for believing that this team can win under such miserable leadership.
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Then jump ship sweetheart. You obviously don’t have what it takes to hang on anyway… The Patriots are a safe pick right now, go be a fan of them….. We don’t need softies like you anyhow. Later.
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I can’t jump ship because I am a fool like you. Been a fool for twenty-three years. I wouldn’t call that soft. By the way, if your going to call yourself a Raider’ fan, I suggest you change your moniker. Or, perhaps that is supposed to be some ironic joke.
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You are soft, soft, soft soft, you softee. Go join the Patriots bandwagon if we are such “fools”. Calling yourself a fool, I think you just came to grips with your true inner self. Leave the fandome of the Raiders, take on the Patriots. You are too soft to handle this.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
M Lonetree Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Fooling people with hype and then cheating them out of their money is the essence of capitalism. MeAngelo is therefore a standard bearer…
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… I guess Al Davis is a regular Rockefeller, then.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
CJ-just shows how much character some of these athletes have.isn’t it great that so many young people look up to them?and a lot of adults(age wise) too for that matter.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Well I’ve contributed enough brilliant posts for 1 day.
Keep up the bad work and suck it easy!
May 18th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
I can’t jump ship because I am a fool like you. Been a fool for twenty-three years. I wouldn’t call that soft. By the way, if your going to call yourself a Raider’ fan, I suggest you change your moniker. Or, perhaps that is supposed to be some ironic joke.
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You called yourself a fool. LMFAO. I agree with you man, but I would add a bit more, you are a soft fool.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Raider O,
11-5, 10-6…I’d still be a sho3s shining, back shaving fool…9-7, I’d hire someone else to do it.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Kiffin wanted the Raiders to play a Tampa 2 defense, and wanted to bring Raheem Morris in here to run it. He lobbied for DeAngleo Hall knowing full well that the guy couldn’t cover, but probably figured that Al would let him make the switch after giving Hall the big contract and realizing that he wasn’t going to cut it as a press-coverage guy. We already had fast, mobile linebackers and in all probability could have made the switch without too much trouble, but Lance underestimated the old man and his determination to do things his way.
Kinda like when he tried to make a WCO quarterback out of JaMarcus. He was just on the wrong end of a power play, and had he been a little older and wiser he would have realized that he wasn’t going to have carte blanche under Al Davis, especially as a young kid with no head coaching experience. Kiffin no doubt would have been given the freedom to tweak things here and there but he very much overestimated the scope of his authority and that was his downfall.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Off to the gym to pump some iron. Later fellas.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
CJ,
I enjoyed reading post # 170.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Its obvious that you are not soft, Einstein. As it appears you have a rock for a brain. That’s ok, though. If there weren’t so many placid and submissive sports fans, such as yourself, there would be no market for sports.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Get hard Einstein.
May 18th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Dakota,
LMAO
I’ll be happy with 7-9, 8-8, and 9-7.
If we go 10-6 or better, I’ll …….. lol
May 18th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
ABP,
Did you just tell a guy to get hard?!?
LMFAO
May 18th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
What has Hall ever done besides be a distraction and not live up top his “potential”
May 18th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
lefty12 Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
CJ-just shows how much character some of these athletes have.isn’t it great that so many young people look up to them?and a lot of adults(age wise) too for that matter.
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Lefty,
It is great man. I can’t wait until we get back where we need to be in the NFL. There are a number of teams out there struggling but they never focus on them like the Raiders.
The Browns have been a joke ever since managment sold their team to Baltimore and started up again just to stink Cleavland back up and you never hear them talk about that franchise the way they do the Raiders on ES-Piss-N. Ooops! ESPN.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
# Dakota Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
I’ll shine Mr. Davis’ sho3s and shave Tom Cable’s back if we go 11-5.
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too late, someone already did.
http://failblog.org/2009/04/08/jersey-fail/
May 18th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
Raider O Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
CJ,
I enjoyed reading post # 170.
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Thanks Raider O!
May 18th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
O-that is the point.what will the anti-Davis crowd say if we improve to 7-9 or better?will they say things are looking up,or will they say we didn’t win anything so why get excited?hopefully we’ll find out.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
CantstandtheHaters,
Nice one.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Dakota Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
alisgod Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
It’s amazing how some of you still refuses to blame Kiffin for bringing in Hall. Sure Al signed off on it but it DOESNT REMOVE THE FACT THAT KIFFIN LOBBIED FOR HIM.
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Is that really a fact? Post the link that says that.
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Yes he did but wasn’t alone in that decision I think. Cable and that other guy played with him in Atlanta.
I think Kiffin wanted to run his D. not AL Davis’s D. If he’d run his D, Hall might’ve been better, but in watching those 8 games last year its safe to say Hall cost us at least 2 of those 8 games.
Gawd he was awful. Wouldn’t tackle, gave massive cushions and bishes the whole time.
Good riddance to you and Harris.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Oakland is better in 09 because they got rid of Kiffin, Hall and Harris.
Some of our younger depth guys got some real time reps in too.
Kiffin was right when he said we lacked depth, but some talent is rising there and I hope we don’t see long runs beating us because of them like last year.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Lefty,
Now you are just hoping for 7-9? Low expectations? The great Tom Cable might only take us to 7-9 while playing in arguably the weakest division in the NFL?
I guess it depends on what kind of 7-9 we are. Are we losing games in embarrassing fashion like Cable did 5 times in 2008? Or are we losing nail biters? I could live with 7-9 with some tough losses, but the biotch slap losses, like we had the first two weeks of December, must stop.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
It has been a pleasure gentlemen. I am off to do something more productive.
Stay hard.
Your friend and fellow fool,
Albert Bigelow Paine
May 18th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
That’s hilarious. Hall sucks as a cover guy, but it’s good to hear more people telling it like it is. Eventually, Homer Nation will catch on.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Kiffin….created “I’m in” and was the first one “out”.
He lost the team opening night when he stubbornly ran the ball at the end of the game on a fourth and 2 at his own 20. I think he was trying to embarass the team, as there was very little to gain and tons to lose. Throw in a few blown 4th quarter leads and a 70+ yard FG, and makes you wonder what’s in store for the Vols this year. I bet Florida beats them by 50, Lane should have kept his mouth shut.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Trey Wingo was a better CB in college than D Hall
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Trey PARKER is a better yaddayaddyadda…….
May 18th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
nobody will ever give Al Davis credit.
even if we (gasp) win the Super Bowl this year, haters will say that Tom Cable won in spite of Davis. by doing everything Davis told him NOT to do. then they’ll say Cable is on the hot seat again
May 18th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
nobody will ever give Al Davis credit.
even if we (gasp) win the Super Bowl this year, haters will say that Tom Cable won in spite of Davis. by doing everything Davis told him NOT to do. then they’ll say Cable is on the hot seat again
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You’re right about one thing. Davis deserves more credit for the mess he’s made of the Raiders. What an absolute embarrassment that man is.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Is El Dirty out of prison yet?
May 18th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
I’ll never say Tom Cable won in spite of Al Davis, lol. At this point I still think Tom Cable is better suited to be our o-line coach than our HC.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
What an absolute embarrassment that man is.
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we’re not talking about Pat Bowlen or Josh McDaniels here. please pipe down smurf
May 18th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Dakota-i’m hoping for better than 7-9 but 7-9 would show a lot of improvement and that is what people on your side of the argument always say they have to see.and if we get there i want to see your reactions.i wouldn’t say we are the worst div. in the NFL either.that would be the NFC west.their 1 good team had the div. wrapped up before Thanksgiving last year and they play in the weaker NFC conf.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
7-9, LMAO your dreaming losers! Chargers will run away with the division this year. Suck on it Raider fans!
May 18th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
nobody will ever give Al Davis credit.
even if we (gasp) win the Super Bowl this year, haters will say that Tom Cable won in spite of Davis. by doing everything Davis told him NOT to do. then they’ll say Cable is on the hot seat again
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Make no mistake about it. If we win a Super Bowl with Cable, it will be Davis’ doing. Cable is a puppet. Everyone knows this. The only thing he seems to be insistent on is character guys, which I agree with.
Another thing is that credit goes both ways. Feel free to give credit for success but be willing to accept blame for failure.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Lefty,
Improvement would be nice, but it certainly doesn’t change the fact that Al hasn’t won a SB in 25 years….which is about exactly how long I have been a Raiders’ fan. My goal as a fan is to see the Raiders win a Super Bowl. Al Davis is in my way.
Time for a new GM.
Love Al the owner, and how he is willing to spend the money.
Al the GM should have retired many years ago.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Dakota-if you had been around you would have hated the John Madden hiring.the year before we were 13-1(not sure,but i know we only lost 1 game) and J. Rauch(?) quit.Davis hired an obscure Def. ass’t.the rest is history.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
just wondering,how many different teams have been to a SB in the last 6 years?in the last 25yrs.,how many different teams have won a SB?you guys act as if we go and hire a GM we will automatically win a SB.it isn’t that easy!
May 18th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Lefty,
Yep, no argument here, Al was on his game back when the Jackson Five were on the top of the charts.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Lefty,
No it’s not that easy, but no other GM has been allowed to blow 25 years proving he no longer has what it takes to win.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
gotta go-have fun guys(and any gals that may be present).
May 18th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Lefty, don’t go! You were just going to tell us how good we’ve had it over the past quarter century of bad football. How losing a SB makes it all good, etc.!
May 18th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Look at Al’s track record with HC’s!
What makes you guys think he’s gonna hire a quality guy for GM ?
he could hire the next Matt Millen for all we know!
be careful what you wish for …
May 18th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Just to finish my thought…..I’m not necessarily singling out Davis for not accepting blame. He’s owned up to some of his mistakes. I’m talking about fans that don’t judge the bad with the good. Davis can do no wrong according to some folks.
Bottom line is, he’s a legend who’s built some great teams but is just missing the boat in today’s NFL.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Dakota,maybe not,but some owners have been allowed to hire GMs who couldn’t do the job either,and they are still around which is pretty much the same thing.at least our GM got us in the SB 7 years ago.how many other GMs can say the same thing?
May 18th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
biggest hit singles in 1983:
Culture Club “Karma Chameleon”
The Police “Every Breath You Take”
David Bowie “Let’s Dance”
Irene Cara “Flashdance… What a Feeling”
Michael Jackson “Billie Jean”
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yikes!
May 18th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
That’s a risk Rockstar, but he couldn’t do much worse than himself at this point, so it is just a slight risk…you are right, he might hire Madden for fuks sake!
What, huh, what is this salary cap you speak of? Boooooom!
May 18th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
…I just started just not caring like a bunch of other guys
Meangelo’s worst game was the season opener. When did he stop caring between the coin toss and the kickoff.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Good god, what exactly are you cry babies a fan of? The only constants with the Raiders of the modern era are the name, Al Davis and the colors of the uniforms (that Davis picked). You must like the colors since you don’t like Davis. Either that or you jumped on the bandwagon just before the wheels fell off and are now stuck. Well, give up your seat because there will be another bunch of bandwagon jumpers ready to jump
into your seat in a few years. When that happens, you’ll put all the success on anybody other than Davis. The same way you do for all his past success. Trolls.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Dakota,are you saying you’d rather go 8-8 than go to a SB even if you were to lose it.being a laker fan i figured you’d be used to losing the last game of the year.personally,i’d rather go to a SB even if we lose.and if we went,i’d consider it a good year.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
When did he stop caring between the coin toss and the kickoff?
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since he had a broken bone in his right hand and they made him practice anyway. what a wimp
May 18th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
MeAngelo Hall took the money and ran just like Warren Sapp fat butt did…..then they both ran their mouths and looked stupid doing it.
Maybe Al should not worry about drafting blacks from Notre Dame but instead acquiring big mouthed underachieving lip flappers from Miami and VT.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
DeAngelo Hall must be pretty good at what he does, he’s paid handsomely. He’s a Zone corner, not a Man2Man corner. The Raider GM should have known that.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
DeAngelo for President! By Barack.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
I bet Gibril Wilson has said similar things about the Raiders. He got disgusted here too.
May 18th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
The ex players keep pouring it on. The more that do, the more that have the balls to do it in the future. Pretty soon, the kool aid spinsters aren’t going to be able to chalk them up to just sour grapes. And, btw, who’s bitter about leaving Oakland, anyway? It’s not like Al Davis’s freak show is the class of the NFL today. You guys make it sound like there’s something to be envious of…
May 18th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Exactly, Dakota. Kiffin was trying to bring in personnel to build a Tampa 2. Davis wasn’t having it. So he told Kiffin that DeAngelo had to play man. Kiffin just rolled with it, thinking long term to getting more players for the Tampa 2, then eventually just implementing the scheme. Al foiled his plot, that’s for sure. At what cost? At least 5 more years of mediocrity. Worst GM in the game, hands down.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
And, when you think about it, we’re equipped for the Tampa 2 right now. It’s not the same as the Cover 2. In the cover 2, the corners are only responsible for the sideline, about 10 yards down field or so, and the two deep men are responsible for each half of the field, all the way to the end zone. In a Tampa 2, you have corners fast enough and good enough in coverage to cover the sideline all the way to the end zone. That gives the 2 guys covering deep less area to be responsible for. One example, if you guys can bare watching it: Dexter Jackson in the Super Bowl against us. He was just out there having fun and playing rover. It was too easy. That defense is perfect for us, considering our speed. But, it’s ego over winning in Al Davis’s world, and he’s not ready to let go of his belief that the NFL is an 11 on 11 game. If Al wants to seriously win with a man defense, he should at least draft for defense, build a defense of monsters like Baltimore’s ‘00 defense. But to build for offense then just expect people like Huff to play man coverage? If anyone wants to know why our defense sucks year after year, there it is.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Lol, the Pepsi Center booked a WWE event for next Monday night…when the Lakers and Nuggets should be playing in Denver.
hahahaha
May 18th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
John Gruden joins ESPN’s Monday Night Football. Replacing the PTI guy.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Jon Gruden, excuse me.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Fans like Lefty that claim we shouldn’t strive for championships and that losing is okay need to go root for the Browns or Cardinals.
We are talking about the Oakland Raiders, so a 25 year SB drought is a big deal for a team that wants to be known as the “Team of the Century” and to be listed as one of the greatest teams, up there with the 49ers, Cowboys, Packers and Steelers.
Al Davis started it, but now he can’t finish it. Al Davis of 30 years ago would fire the current Al Davis GM in a heartbeat if it would help the team Just Win Baby.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Beeecham, I don’t understand why you think I am a teenager. I am over 40 and balding. I prefer Van Halen to Blink 182. And I’ve had more p*ssy than you can dream of.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
The fleshlight doesn’t count Charged Up.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Team of the Decades…my bad…so much propaganda to sort through, lol.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Charged Up Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Beeecham, I don’t understand why you think I am a teenager. I am over 40 and balding. I prefer Van Halen to Blink 182. And I’ve had more p*ssy than you can dream of.
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Blow up dolls and your Mother don’t count…
May 18th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Dakota, re #254
What we’ve learned from the Bush/Rove cabal, is that people will twist anything possible, to see and justify what they want to see and justify.
May 18th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
BadMoodGuy Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Good god, what exactly are you cry babies a fan of? The only constants with the Raiders of the modern era are the name, Al Davis and the colors of the uniforms (that Davis picked). You must like the colors since you don’t like Davis. Either that or you jumped on the bandwagon just before the wheels fell off and are now stuck. Well, give up your seat because there will be another bunch of bandwagon jumpers ready to jump
into your seat in a few years. When that happens, you’ll put all the success on anybody other than Davis. The same way you do for all his past success. Trolls.
LIKE BEING A TROLL IS A BAD THING
May 18th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Charged Up Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Beeecham:
http://www.myspace.com/shockwavefour
Bad link
Typical 
Bad link 
bad team 
bad band 
May 18th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Gotta say I would also take Ryan over Bresnahan…Every time I think of Chuck I remember a 3rd and 14 where he put 3 DLs on the line of scrimage and everybody else on the first down marker…It was a first down, easy…hated him.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
MR,
I like good debate and I like Ventura, I hope he nails Sean. But see, it will be a good debate, with both sides given at least close to fair chance to speak there minds. That’s why I watch more FOX than MSNBC. I don’t see any conservative types EVER on MSNBC. They could be 100% right, but it is just boring.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
tom cable is coming up on nfl network for a interview.they will also talk to warren sapp afterwards.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Going home, will check your response MR in an hour or so.
Deangelo Hall is a bum, and no credible source of what a winning culture would look like.
Redskins-Raiders 2008 with Deangelo 4-12, without him 9-7. All you need to know.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Vegas, anyone shilling for this current Raider system obviously has no clue as to what a winning culture is like, either.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
# Dakota Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Team of the Decades…my bad…so much propaganda to sort through, lol.
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LMFAO!!!
May 18th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Raiders are the team of this decade, alright. But not when it comes to winning. More like comedy
May 18th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
It’s so funny seeing all of these former players coming out against Davis.
It started with Marcus, years ago. Since, many players were afraid to be critical.
Now, we’ve got:
Rich Gannon
Warren Sapp
Tim Brown
DeAngelo Hall
Stuart Schweigert
All in the past year or so!
Two future hall of famers on that list, and a well respected qb with an AFC title under his belt, to boot.
You combine this with Davis’s record in the past 6 years, and I’m telling you, it’s just getting stupid. The league should really consider removing Al. The time is now.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Warren Sapp sucks I cant stand watching him and listening to his big mouth.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
MR you reject 40% of your list is trash players.
DeAngelo Hall
Stuart Schweigert
May 18th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
I gotta say I really miss Stuart Schweigert. We used to blame everything wrong with the Run-D on ol Stuey. Once he left and our RunD got worst we had no one else to blame…come back Stu!
May 18th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Elvis, the list of former players coming out against Al is piling up. The whole, “look at him, how can you believe him” defense by the kool aid drinkers is just getting tired. You don’t even need physical evidence to convict someone in a court of law. If 20 people said you did something, and describe the incident the same, you did it. End of story. Any jury would convict on that. So Al and his worshipers resting on the fact that nobody can really prove that Al put this play in or insisted that player start is a facade that’s crumbling more each day, and is about to collapse. The walls are closing in on that senile piece of crap, and it’s about time.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Elvis Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Warren Sapp sucks I cant stand watching him and listening to his big mouth.
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Yes, but he knows a helluva lot more about Football & Al Davis than you do.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Gotta say I agree with MR that Al has sucked it up the last 6 years. Coaching hires, drafts, free agents, etc. Its tough to defend Al after what he puts the team through every year…I just gotta say that I hate the ex-player thrashing, why don’t they juat come out and say “look Al sucks because he wanted ME in his team”
May 18th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Ah yeah, Poor ole Stuey. Blamed for everything.
Anytime you’re blaming a Free Saftey for the Run Defense, You’re missing the point.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Gotta agree with KoolKell on the run defense issue. The fact that of all the positions on the defense, they felt safety was the biggest hole has me shaking my head too.
If it was fundamentals…I would feel the safety position is the one more susceptable to poor coaching. A D-Lineman can learn different techniques…but unlike safeties aren’t called upon to do much reading of defenses, receiver routes etc….
Oh well….I hope that either Marshall is as good as Cable believes or that Ryan is as bad as you all say he was.
May 18th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
You have to play somewhere. If Al Davis is the highest bidder, then it’s common sense you play for him. But does that mean you have to basically sit there and bare some of the blame for how bad the team is when the guy who controls the team with an iron fist gets no blame whatsoever…AT LEAST within the team’s building? B.S. Sapp, Gannon, and Brown have all been blamed to at least some degree for the bad teams they’ve played on. They’re just dishing it right back. And they’ve started a trend. The taboo of Al’s former players dissing him publicly has been lifted. Get used to it.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
i have no problem blaming al davis for the raiders past 6 years.if they rebound i will give him the credit.that`s just the way it is.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
MR why don’t you add Chester McGlockton to that list of “Al Bad Mouthers”…
May 18th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Other comment….why is Oakland always seen as the team that can squeeze a year out of journeyman. For the life of me I can’t understand the building optimism for Jeff Garcia. I would rather watch Russell fumble his way through all 16 games than see Garcia start 1 game.
Why? He’s 39 yrs old. Even if he lit it up…doubtfull…he’s done after this year.
Garcia has a spotty track record. He couldn’t beat our lowly Raiders in a GAME THAT WAS ESSENTIALLY A MUST WIN PLAYOFF AT HOME!…So the losing QB in that game is the starter over the winning QB?
Garcia was “okay” in San Fran and Tampa…very mediocre…and downright awful in Cleveland and Detroit…did spot duty in Philly like a good backup is supposed to do
You don’t spend $50M on a wide receiver who’s best attribute is downfield speed and then pair him with a short-armed QB that requires constant roll-outs to be effective..BTW, a roll-out essentially cuts the field in half for a QB.
Can someone explain exactly what is wrong with a 1st year QB throwing 13TDs and 8Ints in his first starting season? Can someone explain to me how a QB that got BETTER as the season progressed in his FIRST startign season is a bad thing? I really don’t get it!
Were you all expecting Russell, in his first yr as a starter at 21/22 yrs old, to be a Pro-Bowler last year with a flawed team, flawed coaching, questionable ownership? Again, I don’t get. SOMEONE PLEASE EXPLICITY TELL ME WHAT STATS YOU EXPECTED OF RUSSELL…GIVEN ALL THE ISSUES…THAT HE SHOULD HAVE HAD LAST YEAR.
Special Note: Drew Carter, Ashley Lelie are still without a team…Javon Walker was supposedly at 60% health and Ronald Curry is now the 4th receiver in Detroit…..GIMMIE A BREAK!
May 18th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
It’s so funny seeing all of these former players coming out against Davis.
It started with Marcus, years ago. Since, many players were afraid to be critical.
Now, we’ve got:
Rich Gannon
Warren Sapp
Tim Brown
DeAngelo Hall
Stuart Schweigert
All in the past year or so!
Two future hall of famers on that list, and a well respected qb with an AFC title under his belt, to boot.
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Not ONE of those players are in the HOF. Potential? Yes? 2 possibly 3 possible? Yes. So what..
May 18th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Whats your point MR? Oh yeah, you don’t have a point.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Contrary to what the Denver fan troll thinks, Stuart Schweigert will not be going to the Hall of Fame.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
The Real MaddenRaider ,
what did gannon say?and tim brown did not speak out.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Pat Buchannon is a contract MSNBC analyst. Michelle Maclin made her “Ck Obama’s birth certificate” remarks on Hardball. No, there’s plenty of Repub Schills on MSNBC. Those that are not too embarrassed to be on TV.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Gannon wants the Raiders to win. So does Timmy (he did say to BSPN–”Learn to read”). MeAngelo, Stu. Lamass, and big mouth Sapp are garbage (not Sapp, but he dosent know what he is talking about). Gru-dawg still talks up da raiders…and he got traded.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
The last time we were in the SB we were the oldest team in the league. They joked we were the grey and black. We’ve been “rebuilding” ever since. In the process Al has tried to win at the same time, without much success. He spent a ton of money on draft picks and vets along the way. Some good with plenty of poor choices. We now have an extremely young talented team that will be competative. I can hardly wait until we again start racking up the wins so the morons in here who constantly bash the greatness of the Raiders will climb back under thier rocks and eat crow with all the mediots.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
# Rellik30 Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Gannon wants the Raiders to win. So does Timmy (he did say to BSPN–”Learn to read”). MeAngelo, Stu. Lamass, and big mouth Sapp are garbage (not Sapp, but he dosent know what he is talking about). Gru-dawg still talks up da raiders…and he got traded.
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Shhhhh, don’t tell MR, we like to keep him in the dark about everything Raider.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
so warren sapp does not think the raiders are a talented team.
May 18th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
“Football and beer, the opiate of the masses.” Joseph Stalin
May 18th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
I hated Deangelo. What a trainwreck of a signing (and it costed us a 2nd rounder!!)
May 18th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Priet – Was that you on the radio today with Fitz and Brooks?
May 18th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Priest – Was that you on the radio today with Fitz and Brooks.
May 18th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Well, it’s nice and cool here in Alameda. Hopefully the Rookies can make it through practice.
May 18th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
MADDEN: “THERE’S NO PLACE ON A TEAM FOR SOMEONE LIKE ME”
Posted by Aaron Wilson on May 18, 2009, 6:42 p.m.
In a wide-ranging interview, retired NFL head coach and broadcaster John Madden reiterated that he has no intentions of getting back into coaching or acting as a consultant.
The 73-year-old Hall of Famer told Sam Farmer of the Los Angeles Times that he doesn’t see himself working for an NFL team again.
“I can’t see going to a team,” Madden said. “I have too much respect for the game and where it is today that there’s no way that I’d think I could go to a team, because I wouldn’t want to go full time.
“There’s no other job in pro football that’s not a full-time job. You’re either in it and you’re playing, or you’re a coach on the sideline watching. There’s no place on a team for someone like me.
The former Oakland Raiders coach pointed out that a consultant shouldn’t have much influence if they’re not immersed in the day-to-day activities of an NFL team.
“A consulting position might work in another profession, but not in pro football.,” Madden said. “There’s no such thing. They give a guy a parking spot and put his name up as a consultant, and in six months they erase the name.
“Guys are working 16, 18, 20 hours a day. You can’t come in and say, ‘When they go to cover 6 on that side, you ought to run a bob trail and then go play-action.’ They’re not going to listen to that B.S.”
Madden added that he has no interest in owning an NFL team.
He does plan on attending all of the Raiders’ home games in the suite he owns.
May 18th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
I don’t know if Jon Gruden will be good on Monday Night Football but THANK GOD Kornheiser is out of there. Hes great on PTI but absolutely TERRIBLE on MNF. Gruden can help bring back some Raider love and he will hopefully get the call on the Raiders game against the Chargers.
May 18th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
The Real MaddenRaider,
what did gannon say.
May 18th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Gannon said that the chaos in Oakland made it impossible to concentrate. He compared the environment to KC, where teams basically just show up and practice with little to no distractions. You think he brought up KC in the same context to make Al happy? He’s basically saying that Al’s impossible to play for. Gannon also said that keeping his squad focused in Oakland was a 24/7 ordeal, thanks to Al and his stupid games. Yeh, there’s your players owner. Our best player this past decade can’t stand him.
May 18th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
KrappyKell I have put you in your place many times on this blog you just don’t know my new moniker got banned.
You have zero football knowledge!
ZERO!!
MR I must disagree of the thousands of people who have dealt with Al Davis and only 5 disgruntled employees?
That says a lot about Al.
May 18th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Langston Walker as a left tackle….HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA
May 18th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
5 that have spoken out, Elvis. 2 of them future hall of famers. And counting…
May 18th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Ex employees, ex coaches, ex players, including hall of famers….the walls are closing in. You know it and I know it. Think this is going away?
May 18th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Lonetree:
Name one active NFL GM worse than Al Davis.
May 18th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
“Vegas Raider, remember Obama’s ratings on election night? Those are the only ratings that count.”
Right now he (Obama) has a 64% approval rating, I think Bush had a 27% when he left (Obama a bag of sh#t) office.
May 18th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
No one in our history has inherited a worse situation than Obama. Except maybe Roosevelt.
May 18th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Although, he is doing the right thing and trying to hush this “torture” nonsense. I bet Pelosi wishes she didn’t open that can of worms.
May 18th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
And I’m off to burn, root for the over in the Dodgers game with the Mariners, and eat with the wife. Be happy to educate you folks again tomorrow.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Ex employees, ex coaches, ex players, including hall of famers….the walls are closing in. You know it and I know it. Think this is going away?
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You said the Tim Brown comments weren’t going away, and they went away faster than your common sense. Maddenknucklehead, your statements would be a laugh riot, if they weren’t so sad and pathetic.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Great post #187 ET
May 18th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
This is one of the dumbest post I’ve ever read. #245
totally clueless
May 18th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
M Lonetree #366 Right On!!
UnKoolKell I am sNb666 you know me, quit quivering behind that semen stained AIDS quilt, you old man.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Hey buttholeprik
What is your position with raider orginization again 
It surely can’t be as interesting as being a spy 
for the CIA 
May 18th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
666
They banned your moniker? What, for putting me in my place? lol.
Find yourself a new moniker and dream on.
666, Elvis, who else beside impersonating me, before registration?
May 18th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
MR, Gannon complained about the chaos here. But where did he go to the SB here or KC and why didn’t we win when we went to the SB? Was it his fault or Al Davis’s?
May 18th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
What position with The Oakland Raiders? I don’t work for the Oakland Raiders and never have.
Sheessh! your obsession with me is kind of creepy could you please move along.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Come on buttholeprik
I’m dying to find out what position with the raider orginization you hold 
My guess is that you dreamt of being in the hall of fame but wound up being in the hall of shame 
May 18th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Also you remind me of Koolkell, creepy.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Move along
Sure as soon as I expose you for the liar you are 
Just like I did on all the other boards 
May 18th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Just when you think things couldn’t be more weird, you see those comments and then hear it in the video. Sad….
May 18th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
# priesttj Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Also you remind me of Koolkell, creepy.
Talk about creepy
What do you call yourself 
always trying to act like you’re better than anyone else 
May 18th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Well whatever your agenda is, is fine by me. If you want to chase ghost go right ahead. I don’t have a clue who you are nor what the hell you’re talking about. This is the first blog I’ve ever been on.
But it’s obvious, that wont help you so proceed. Whomever you’re chasing obviously got under your skin for you to be on such a crusade. So I wont spoil it for you.
May 18th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
And what do you call yourself chasing some ghost?
May 18th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
# priesttj Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
And what do you call yourself chasing some ghost?
Ghost Buster
May 18th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Good for you.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
priest, I think Gannon’s point is that we could have WON A SUPER BOWL IF IT WASN’T FOR YOUR OWN PERSONAL JIM JONES RIDING GRUDEN’S ASS ALL THE TIME AND NOT LETTING THE TEAM PREPARE. Get a f’n clue, man.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Who can know what anyone here writes as the deletions pile up?
Often warranted.
Although shouldn’t there be some direct negation of anyone who spews nothing but haterism for the Raiders while using the moniker of a HOF Raider coach?
BHP, keep on doing what you’re doing. It is much appreciated.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Oakglenn, Tim Brown’s comments haven’t gone away. They’re still there. But you can block them out all you want and pretend that Al isn’t a bigot. We know the truth. Also, the reason I brought it up was to add Tim to the list of former player exposing Al.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Do you always make up lies and accuse people of things they’ve never ever said they did. Such as accusing me of saying I work for the Raiders.
Show us ONE post where I make that claim.
Also this military crapola…….accusing me of saying I was in the military when Ive never said such things because I’ve NEVER been in the military.
That’s why I exclude myself when it ever comes up because I have no clue what’s involved. And I’ll never discuss religion in a forum like this because I have way too much respect for such things.
You’ve conjured up some ghost in your own head a accuse me of perpetrating it so that you can come in here with this nonesense.
Whatever floats your boat, but you need help. BAD!
May 18th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
There is no Raider Nation. It’s an Al Davis nation. It’s about defending the man, not rooting for the Raiders. Most of you frauds were rooting against the team in ‘07 when Kiffin was pushing his system. I remember you guys. We beat Denver and all you guys could do was knock Mccown’s performance. Straight up fakes. Those of us who hate Al want the team to win more badly than you guys could ever fathom. F’n fakes.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Vegas, that Hannity/Ventura “debate” (lol) is on right now. I’ll check it out.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Well MR, he could’ve done something about it he played in the game and we suffered as a result of it. He should’ve checked out of some plays and played smarter he had free reign to do so.
If he’s that insecure about not having Gruden to bail him out, then he should blame himself first.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
Ha ha. Hannity asked Ventura if he’d read the 9/11 commission report, and Ventura just busted up.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
priest, only point I was making is that Gannon ripped Davis, too. Some of your fellow pinhead shills were denying it, saying Gannon never dissed Al.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
M lonetree, thank you for the support. That guy is some kind of real nut job.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
So what he dissed Al Davis and that’s supoosed to mean something? How did he do before he got here to play for Al Davis. Where’s his rings from the other teams. He should be ever grateful Al Davis thought enough of him to bring his sorry ass here.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
This is not two views being expressed, Vegas. Hannity is lecturing him. It’s his show, he’s lecturing him, giving Ventura a flat second or two to respond, then interrupting him. Let Ventura and Hannity debate at a third party venue. Hannity would never do it. Nobody at FoxNews would. They’re t.v. hosts, nothing more. What a dumb interview. It’s done now. Ha ha. See? Hannity just goes on a Reagan rant then says “goodbye”, playing it out. Only you would call that a debate, Vegas. I should have bet you.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
priest, he’s one of many people coming out against Al Davis. Al Davis has to be leading the league in players coming out and being critical. And remember, most of these guys have come out in the past couple of years. preist, denial sucks. Snap out of it.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
It’s getting to the point, priest, where the only players who don’t bash Al are the ones that suck.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Al and his crappy players. HA HA. How’s that for a company? An owner and his crappy employees, sinking together. LOYAL! Glad I don’t have a dime invested in this train wreck.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Some of this stuff that goes on is just flat out stupid and selfish. Gannon has the nerve to criticize Russell when it took him 8 years to learn the position. Then he criticises Mr Davis when he may have NEVER had the chance of playing in a SB if not for him.
Sure Al saw his qualities and knew we needed them but still the one that should show some gratitude is Gannon.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
He’s criticizing Russell because Russell can only do one thing, throw deep. That’s all it is, priest. Stop doing this. Denial is unhealthy. The energy you spend denying how bad this team is will just make you more exhausted when you realize it’s true.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
buttholeprik
the moderator keeps deleting my posts 
A simple question for you 
Why do you think that your opinions are so intelligent 
but anyone who doesn’t agree with you 
is an idiot 
May 18th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
We really screwed up not taking Crabtree, priest. How much do you want to be that Crabtree has a better year than…wait, who did we draft again?
May 18th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Al and his crappy players. HA HA. How’s that for a company? An owner and his crappy employees, sinking together. LOYAL! Glad I don’t have a dime invested in this train wreck.”
You sure do have a lot of time invested. Everytime I check in here, there are literally 100’s of posts just from you, from all hours of everyday.
You know what they say “Time is money”.
With as much time as you waste on this blog, I would say you have far too much money already invested. Maybe consider re-directing all of this energy to a better cause…YOUR LIFE!
May 18th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
So the fact that I don’t agree with you means I’m in denial right, it couldn’t possibly be YOU?
I realise the record is not good. I realise there have been mistakes and bad judgement. 6years of losing is difficult for all of us. But I’m a Riader fan unlike you who thinks we have to win for you to be one.
We don’t agree and NEVER will, so that’s both our rights wether you like it or not.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
buttholeprik
it’s one thing to disagree but you pompous POS and those like you 
who think that their own poop 
doesn’t smell are the ones who ruin these blogs 
May 18th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
What ruins blogs like these are when people get all butt hurt for whatever reason and they take on a vendetta against the person that hurt their feelings inadvertantly.
Here’s a clue: Just because someone may not agree with you or your point of view, it doesn’t mean that they are questioning all that you are about or attacking you as a person.
It is what it is. Anything more is what YOU choose to make of it. That is why you can’t move past it or get over it.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
buttholeprik
you can deny all you want to save face on this board that we have never had words before on other blogs 
But, the M. O. is always the same 
Your opinion is always the only opinion that matters 
and everyone else are idiots 
May 18th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
KK get a life dude. You have a problem with me. So be, it but at least I’m not a coward hiding behind some wierd moniker.
May 18th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Dogg that’s your opinion
And if you want to believe it, more power to you 
But i have seen this buttholeprik dude on other blogs 
and believe me when I say it’s always the same M. O. with this guy 
He has such a high opinion of himself 
that he has to make up his personna so that he assumes that those of little intelligence will buy into his act 
When everyone is his personal little Lambe 
it strokes his ego 
but the first time someone doesn’t agree with him or stops stroking his ego then all of a sudden they are idiots 
and he belittles their opinions 
May 18th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
# priesttj Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
KK get a life dude. You have a problem with me. So be, it but at least I’m not a coward hiding behind some wierd moniker.
THAT’S BECAUSE SOMEONE ELSE STOLE YOUR WEIRD MONIKER
WHEN THEY STARTED THE REGISTRATION 
May 18th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
buttholeprik
your adament insistance that we never knew each other from previous blogs almost had me wondering if I had made a mistake in your idenity 
But the more I read your arrogant posts, the more sure I am that you are indeed IMOROM, darwin2004 and Namaste from the othe posts 
No one else could have such an inflated ego 
May 18th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Just keep on posting IMOROM you’ll soon expose yourself to the others just like you have on the other blogs
May 18th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
The Boston Herald reports that the Patriots are “considering” offering the Raiders future second- and third-round picks for DE Derrick Burgess.
New England and Oakland have done business before, but Al Davis may hesitate this time after getting swindled in the Randy Moss deal two years ago. Still, the offer is more than fair and the Pats definitely can use the pass rush help. Burgess would play weak outside linebacker in their 3-4 scheme.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Look man leave me out of it. You are freakin crazy………period.
You find me arrogant tough, if that makes me the ghost you’ve conjured up that is purely YOUR affair not mine.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Source to story: http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=719
May 18th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
I’ve been posting for 2 years and will continue to do so wether your imagination can handle it or not.
That crap mis bouncing around in your head not no one else’s. I am who I am and I don’t need to explain myself to some nutcase.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
MAJOR RAIDER NEWS (YOU GUYS CAN STOP ACTING LIKE CHILDREN)
According to a report first on ESPN, and later corroborated by WEEI’s Christopher Price, the Patriots are considering a trade that would send a second-or-third-round draft pick to Oakland for Raiders linebacker Derrick Burgess.
The acquisition of Burgess would finally help fill the void at outside linebacker created by the trade of Mike Vrabel. The two-time Pro Bowler is in the final year of his contract with Oakland. Thus far, he has stayed away from voluntary workouts. He is said to be unhappy with not being able to reach a new deal.
Burgess, who will be 31 at the start of next season, had 16 sacks for the Raiders in 2005, but he’s been slowed by injuries in recent seasons.
Last week, Pats Director of Player Personnel Nick Caserio said the team was happy with the group of outside linebackers it had in-house, but left open the possibility for something to happen.
”I think we feel comfortable with the football team where it currently stands,” he said, ”but we still have another 3 or 4 months before we actually play a football game. A lot can happen between now and then.”
May 18th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
buttholeprik
You ARE what you ARE 
And soon (just like on all the other blogs) you’ll slip up and expose to everyone that you ARE who you ARE and not who you PRETEND to be. Good night darwin2004 
May 18th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
People in here disagree with me all the time eespecialy the ones I respect the most. No one aggrees with me all the time. But we have great dialog about the team we love and they have great insight sometimes that I haven’t even considered. I like that. I like very astute football fans and there are several in here. They tell me things that change my mind on matters and it’s great.
But you are something different KK you say the same things over and over again and you let your hate get to you. To the pint where you can’t see anything but that hate. But now you want someone else as an adversary. Fine by me.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
I hope it’s soon so you can get a grip. LOSER!
May 18th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
priesttj Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
People in here disagree with me all the time eespecialy the ones I respect the most. No one aggrees with me all the time. But we have great dialog about the team we love and they have great insight sometimes that I haven’t even considered.
Is this why you call half the posters idiots:?: buttholeprik
May 18th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
I already have a grip buttholeprik
Keep calling people idiots and losers and then refer to your post #348 
Then let the people decide who you REALLY are Namaste 
May 18th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
And who am I pretending to be in your head?
You think I said I work for the Raiders……prove it!
You think I’ve said something on another blog r whatever it is that you’re talking about. I couldn’t care less it’s your problem.
Me taking the time to prove I’m not something I’ve never said I was, is crazy talk.You’re saying I said it but you can’t post any evidence to substanciate it.
I have no idea where you get this stuff. But his is the last time I’ll respond to it.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
May 18th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
post it up KK, where’s the post?
May 18th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
May 18th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
You’ve got a ton of nerve. Have you ever said anything derogatory about soemone in here especially me? without any merit.
Maybe I am arrogant. I’ll be the first to admit that, but all the lies you’ve told on me makes you even worse.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
You aren’t going to tell me how to talk or what to say, you can make all the accusations you chose it doesn’t make them true. It’s just you and your crazy imagination. If you don’t like my post DON”T READ THEM.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
# priesttj Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
You’ve got a ton of nerve. Have you ever said anything derogatory about soemone in here especially me? without any merit.
Maybe I am arrogant. I’ll be the first to admit that, but all the lies you’ve told on me makes you even worse.
Everything will come out in the wash
and everyone will see who you really are darwin2004 
May 18th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Hopefully very SOON
May 18th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
What’s up nation?
I don’t know which one I like better. BHP Vs. Trolls, Beech Vs. KK, or Dude Vs. Everyone!!!
How is coaching Trolls?
May 18th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Raider O, I feel like taking a shower after that. Have you ever read such lunacy?
May 18th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
What’s up BHP?
Man I’m excited about this Season. Jr has all the weapons he needs, but do we have a Good Oline to block for him and our RBs.
Also, do you agree with Cable on the Defense, he thinks it was all due to coaching AKA Rob Ryan. What do you think?
I think the Oline will be descent, but not great. I agree with Cable, and I think the defense will play a lot better under Marshall. They cant do any worse!!! lol
May 18th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
They aren’t all different people. Don’t assume they are and don’t assume they really believe what they say. They say that stuff to provoke argument. The mods really need to institute a NPA rule to get rid of the trash.
Thanks to all that post other articles. Unfortunately this blog is still the get aggregator out there.
May 18th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Then again apparently this isn’t that big of a deal on blogs and such, this is my first rodeo. I’m just not used to defending myself for claiming to be someone I never said I was or doing something I never said I did.
Hell I’m confused now.
But that was some crazy stuff to be sure.
A guy makes up a bunch of crap and says that who I am. Whew!! what’s the world coming to?
May 18th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Priest – Was that you that called KNBR today on the Fitz and Brooks show?
May 18th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Raider O, I think Cable is one strange dude and what he did with the Oline after the ‘06 debacle was shear brilliance. His only hiccup was Harris and maybe Green. But we’ve been dominant on the ground since he’s been here. To doubt that would be very hard for me. If we run the ball the way I anticipate Russell will definitely have time to throw. With the guy’s we have outside and the speed they will be singled up and that means points.
The defense suffered for a few reasons, scheme and the lack of a scoring punch on offense. It’s easy to target RR although he must shoulder the blame for missed assignments and in some ways overcoaching IMO.
But my contentin is that we haven’t had a significant pass rush since Dburg went to the probowl. If we can get that corrected. I think we can win and maybe win big.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
who the heck is this william franklin WR guy?anyone know of him? just an extra pair of legs for routes hopefully
May 18th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
BHP,
I like Trolls, but he is a different man when you are involved!!! lol
May 18th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Yeah 24 that as me, whattup?
May 18th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
I know man he thinks he knows from another world or some crap. It’s creepy as hell.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
I stopped calling shows for a while because I just don’t have time for it. But this Russell bashing just kind of got to me.
I think we have a great QB in the making but he’s 2 -3 away from that greatness. That however doesn’t mean we can’t win NOW. Big Ben IMO is not a great QB yet, but he has two rings.
We can do something similar if we play well around him and help him become effective with the way we coach him and playcalling.
It’s no diiferent than what Atl did for Ryan and what the Steelers did for Big Ben. You play to his strengths. Bill Walsh designed an offense tailor made for Joe Montana to be succesful (it’s called check it down) we need to do the same thing for Russell and he can thrive early.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
Priest – Right on. Good for you on fighting for Jamarcus. They honestly don’t know what they’re talking about and Brooks tries to overpower the conversation with his opinion and he can hang up on someone when they don’t agree with him. They give Jamarcus a bunch of crap despite only starting 1 full year yet they’re ready to give Alex Smith his 100th chance in his 5th or so season. They are completely biased.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
BHP,
Cable reminds me of Madden. We were 6th in rushing 2 yrs ago, and 10th last year. That’s due to teams putting 8 and 9 players in the box, since we couldn’t pass last season. Now, if the Oline can’t protect JR, then teams will play with 8-9 players in the box.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
I like JR. but unless we have stability in the organization and coaching, all his Talent will be wasted.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Bringing Cable back was a good move for that reason. JR needs stability, so does the Oline and the entire team.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
I just have a wait and see approach at this point. I don’t have many expectations. I really don’t have much else to say about the team. Everything has been exhausted. Its all about execution at this point. I just need to see them win.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
They will win, and they need to draft Linemen next year.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
24, it’s obvious to all listeners what they do but they think it isn’t. 49er fans hate Alex Smith and KNBR knows it. But they tried to cram him down their throats anyway.
While with Russell they nitpik everything he does, because they can’t the thought of Al Davis getting something right that the 49ers just blew bigtime.
Raider O, if we can run the play action will be in affect. This O line gets short shrift in here but they don’t need to block more than 3 seconds to get that thing deep with DHB and JLH. ZM will be a probowl TE IMO with Gonzo going to the NFC. You can only stop so much when a team is balanced on offense they are very difficult to stop for any defense.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
I think what al did with Barnes was Genuis. That one year deal will motivate Barnes to play well, and if he doesn’t, then we can draft an OT next year. I like that move a lot. Or if Barnes plays great and wants to leave, then we can franchise him.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
BHP,
Play Action!!!! I forgot all about that!! lol
That why we drafted DHB!!!
May 18th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
That’s, sorry.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
I hope an think you’re right Raider O about Barnes. I saw a Jags game and was impressed by him. I’m jot to terribly worried about the Oline. Because of Cable and I don’t think there’s much to worry about if the players disappoint what Mr Davis will do next year. He’s giving Cable his wish, but they better play well.
And if they do we will challenge for the division IMO.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Play action baby!! and it’s over if the safety bites.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
I agree, the reason I worry about the Oline is that Cable is the HC now, so he has a lot more to do around the team. Draft, trades, etc. When he was on Oline Coach, he didn’t have to worry about any of those things. But from what I read from this blog, he likes to get involved wiyhh all positions. I read he was coaching LBs, so he will be involved with the Oline.
Good night BHP, later Nation.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Makes a lot of sense Raider O, hopefully Mike Halika ( whatever his name is) wants to do the job, unlike Gregg who quit on us with two games left.
Adios! I’m done as well I just had to end on a different note than that exchange with ghostbusters.
Adios Raider fans.
May 18th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Goodnight.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:11 am
# priesttj Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Play action baby!! and it’s over if the safety bites.
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All 11 defenders could bite and it won’t mean a thing unless Russell learns to hit a moving target.
May 19th, 2009 at 12:15 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
What an absolute embarrassment that man is.
***
we’re not talking about Pat Bowlen or Josh McDaniels here. please pipe down smurf
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Pat Bowlen > Al Davis
Maybe not by much, but enough to note.
May 19th, 2009 at 1:28 am
Dakota Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
alisgod Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
It’s amazing how some of you still refuses to blame Kiffin for bringing in Hall. Sure Al signed off on it but it DOESNT REMOVE THE FACT THAT KIFFIN LOBBIED FOR HIM.
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Is that really a fact? Post the link that says that.
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http://www.sbreport.net/raider_news/008/267.html
The quote:
His transition from Atlanta has been a smooth one, and Hall talked about his head coach’s involvement in getting him in Silver & Black.
“It’s been cool. Kiffin was a big part of me coming out here. He was the middle man between Al Davis and my agent, definitely a move he wanted to make on this team.”
May 19th, 2009 at 1:42 am
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May 19th, 2009 at 3:06 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
May 19th, 2009 at 3:26 am
What’s up 4eva?
May 19th, 2009 at 3:29 am
—”The Boston Herald reports that the Patriots are “considering” offering the Raiders future second- and third-round picks for DE Derrick Burgess. New England and Oakland have done business before, but Al Davis may hesitate this time after getting swindled in the Randy Moss deal two years ago. Still, the offer is more than fair and the Pats definitely can use the pass rush help. Burgess would play weak outside linebacker in their 3-4 scheme. May. 19 – 12:14 a.m. ET”—
Do it Al, Do it now!
May 19th, 2009 at 3:34 am
Gotta agree LMN. I think his head hasn’t been with the Raiders for a couple of years. I said a couple of posts ago that he’s got no help inside or at the other end, although there were signs last year we were gettin better. Truth is we’re rebuilding and Burgess doesn’t have the time. A move to a winning team now would suit him and we get compensated.
May 19th, 2009 at 3:41 am
Agree. Dump Burgess now for a 2nd or even a 3rd. Even though he’ll probably pan out for NE, he is injury prone, can’t stop the run and we have Trevor Scott to take his place. Trevor can move to the right side and we can have Shaunessey or Richardson play the left end. The other guys we picked up in the draft can pick up the slack as situational pass rushers.
May 19th, 2009 at 3:45 am
Scott and Richardson, will do fine, Matt Shaunessey on the other hand i dont care for, but heck now we got the wreck why not use him…
We need to accumulate picks for next years draft!
May 19th, 2009 at 3:46 am
One thing the Raiders and most fans are really bad at, is thinking what the other teams get, instead of what WE NEED.
While Burgess may be good for NE, he’s not what we need now, and hasn’t panned out the last couple of years. Better to cut our losses and play some young, hungry cheap guys. He also has a contract year next year and if he performs this year, he’ll have huge demands, only to experience a big fall off after he gets paid. We know he’ll at least get hurt, anyway.
Play our young guys, develop from within through the draft.
May 19th, 2009 at 3:47 am
His heart doesn’t seem in it anymore, injuries and poor line play dont help. I dont think he wants to be on a re-building team, which is what we are. We really need to clear out everyone who doesn’t want to be there. No more bitchin’ and moanin’, no more overpriced free agents. Build through the draft, young guys who haven’t been poisoned yet. That’s the future.
May 19th, 2009 at 3:48 am
LMN we haven’t seen Shaunessey play yet. I bet he’ll be better against the run than Burgess in any case ha ha.
May 19th, 2009 at 3:50 am
maybe so, he still to this day is more injured than Burgess, but the only way we can validate the pick is by trading Burgess, otherwise it was a waste..
see ya! gotta go..
May 19th, 2009 at 3:53 am
Good point.
May 19th, 2009 at 3:55 am
I liked the hall of fame post the other day although i was too late to post on it. But it just seemed to be an example of the lack of permanence about the Raiders. Stuff like that is a pipe dream (what kinda pipe is that by the way?) without a recognised ‘home’ stadium. It’s amazing how loyal some fans are when you look at how bad the organisation is. Poor stadium, poor recent record, poor players, etc.
We’ll take our positives where we can get them.
May 19th, 2009 at 3:56 am
I think Ray Guy got stiffed on Jerry’s list.
May 19th, 2009 at 3:56 am
But the question is, who should he replace?
May 19th, 2009 at 3:59 am
Morning BHR,just enjoying the rain =)
May 19th, 2009 at 4:01 am
Ha ha! Where you at man?
May 19th, 2009 at 4:05 am
Babyslash
I couldbn’t believe Lester wasn’t there. First game i saw was SB XVIII. He stood out for me. Loved that stance he had n I tried to copy it in my limited ability and league. Mike Haynes too. One of the few things I’ve still got in common with AL is a love of DB’s.
May 19th, 2009 at 4:10 am
Florida-west central
May 19th, 2009 at 4:15 am
Well it’s raining here too man. Scotland calls a holliday when it stops. Usually around July! The English like it tho-makes us behave, keeps us passive.
May 19th, 2009 at 4:25 am
LESTER is one of my favorite Raiders too! The guy had wheels, he was big and athletic and wacky! He was incredible!
I think Lester played a pass-rush end/LB in college, as far as I recall.
May 19th, 2009 at 4:29 am
If memory serves me he was projected as a safety. Madden said no, your a corner son and the rest is history. One of the legends of Raider folklore. Somebody said the other day that its a crime he’s not in the Hall of Fame. Gotta agree. Good point about Ray Guy, tho.
May 19th, 2009 at 4:33 am
LESTER HAYES
As a freshman and sophomore attending high-profile football school, Texas A&M, Hayes began as a linebacker. By his junior and senior seasons, however, Hayes was the starting safety for the program and drafted at that position.
The Raiders, however, had different ideas. Practically from the get-go, the Silver & Black had ideas of converting Hayes to cornerback, a position he was unfamiliar with. The conversion was nearly an immediate success as Hayes earned a spot in the starting lineup as a wide-eyed rookie. Excellent in man-to-man coverage, a staple of Raiders teams during that era, Hayes was electric as a cornerback. A bump-and-run specialist, Hayes recorded 39 interceptions, four times returning the ball for a touchdown, in 149 games. His career interception total is still tied for the franchise record with current Hall of Fame cornerback and current Raiders assistant, Willie Brown. Hayes was elected to the Pro Bowl five times during his short 10-year career.
http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/sbreport-net-exclusive-content/9743-stick-em-up-lester-hayes.html
May 19th, 2009 at 5:08 am
What’s up fellas. Not to be paranoid but no more trades with NE I don’t need to see Burgess getting 15+ sacks and everyone laughing at us.
May 19th, 2009 at 5:23 am
not if we get a 2nd,imo.Thats a big maybe where Burgess is concerned
May 19th, 2009 at 5:24 am
Morning No more
Yeah thats a possibility. We’re building from youth and if players wont or cant do it for us then i say move em on
May 19th, 2009 at 5:33 am
# BabySlash Says:
May 19th, 2009 at 3:56 am
I think Ray Guy got stiffed on Jerry’s list.
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Ray Guy always get the short end…. the world is just plain unfair!
May 19th, 2009 at 5:36 am
Come on guys Mr. Davis told you why he wanted Tom Cable. He stated that is was because he watched the way tom related to the players and visa versa. Everyone just loves to search for anything to come down on Mr. Davis. He wanted Tom Cable because he commanded respect from the players simple due to his presence. He is a dominating presence. Mr. Davis did not have to have researched Tom Cable’s background to see this. He was not saying he did not know anything about his ability to coach the team. He just has not nit picked on the man’s personal life.
May 19th, 2009 at 5:40 am
I hope no one on this site is going to listen to Hall who like may others plays into the media and bashes someone who he should be praising and respecting. Mr. Davis gave hime a chance (as he has many others), paid him a lot of money and he failed. IF he going to comment on something, it needs to be how he constantly got burned. Insted of talking bad about the Raiders and Mr. Davis, he sould be talking about Eddie Royal.
May 19th, 2009 at 5:45 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
AM crew, you know who you are…
So Hall finally said it, that he started not to care anymore…anyone else?
May 19th, 2009 at 5:51 am
Good Morning Nation.
We must remember the position of the 2nd and 3rd that NE is dangling. Their draft position waters down the selections.
May 19th, 2009 at 5:53 am
Barnes, Satele and Pears were all deemed expendable by other NFL teams. We may be bit better than last year especially with Neal but we will get dominated by strong defensive lines.
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1. Pears – Started every game while with Denver. He lost his spot due to an appendectomy not a sports injury. They started with someone else while he was out. He would have maintained his starting spot if not for this surgery.
2. Satele – Started every game for Miami after being drafted by them. Works better in a zone blocking system.
3. Barnes – Lead the way for a number of thousand yard rushers. Between him and Neal, look for the raiders to lead the league in rushing.
Are you people blind? Can’t you see that Mr. Davis is building a winning team? You will see soon. Mr. Davis and Tom Cable are going to show all of you doubters and haters.
Warren Sapp is a traiter a hater, and a sapp.
May 19th, 2009 at 5:55 am
My opinion of Jeff Garcia:
SF————-Hated him
Cleveland——Hated him
Detroit——–Hated him
Tampa Bay——Hated him
Oakland——–Still Hate him.
May 19th, 2009 at 5:59 am
Barnes, Satele and Pears were all deemed expendable by other NFL teams. We may be bit better than last year especially with Neal but we will get dominated by strong defensive lines.
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Just because teams let a player go does not mean they cannot play. The Cowboys let T.O. go, does that mean he cannot play? The Raiders let Grove go does that mean he cannot play. If Grove cannot play, why did Bill Parcells give him the contract he did?
May 19th, 2009 at 6:01 am
hall=cancer
May 19th, 2009 at 6:03 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S, I AM SURE DEANGELO HALL DID NOT CASH HIS GAMEDAY CHECK’S AFTER HE QUIT CARING AS A PLAYER..THAT JUST WOULD NOT BE THE THING TO DO !!!
May 19th, 2009 at 6:06 am
We often hear about leadership but there seems to be very little of it at the Raiders. All these mouths are only too ready to criticize once they have left town but you dont hear em when they’re at Oakland. Only stand up guys like Namdi are willing to at least constructively criticize whats going on there.
4eva your right. Guys like Hall are a cancer. You gotta get rid of them at the earliest
May 19th, 2009 at 6:07 am
You’re right Dirt Lot. Just like Moss quit playing, walked off the field and went to the bank!
May 19th, 2009 at 6:17 am
I JUST HOPE #2 GET’S A FIRE LIT UNDER HIS ARSS VERY SOON.THE FRANCHISE HAS TO HAVE THIS GUY BE A GREAT ONE.
May 19th, 2009 at 6:18 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
May 18th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Oakglenn, Tim Brown’s comments haven’t gone away. They’re still there. But you can block them out all you want and pretend that Al isn’t a bigot. We know the truth. Also, the reason I brought it up was to add Tim to the list of former player exposing Al.
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Any person with functioning brain cells realizes is and never was a bigot. In case you haven’t heard, even Tim Brown said his comments are not what you’re trying to portray them to be…
“ESPN even played audio of the interview and next thing I know they’re saying I said A.D. is a racist,” Brown said in a return phone call Thursday morning.“All I did was say what people said to me after my first practice, some things that came as a shock. I talked about it with my advisors at the time and we determined it was HOGWASH.”
What was it that someone said to you the other day, oh yeah…
>>MR
You are clearly a troubled soul. You cling to sh1t harder than a maggot and you feed on it for just as long.
Let it go.>>
BTW, feel free to answer Priest’s question as to why Gannon was more successful in Oakland than he was anywhere else.
Also, I’ve yet to here Gruden say anything bad about Al. In fact, it’s been quite the opposite, as well as Bruce Allen.
See what you’re too stupid to realize is that everytime Al gets bashed it’s front page news. Yet, everytime he gets praised(see DeAngelos’s comments in training camp & his taped interviews before pre-season games)we’ll never hear a word.
I’m sure since I’ve made you look like a moron again, the mods will have to delete this post.
May 19th, 2009 at 6:20 am
Listening to the d-bag talk is like listening to Sean Hannity last night saying we were better off after George Bush than before George Bush.
May 19th, 2009 at 6:21 am
That is why I am hoping that with Garcia there, Russell realizes that this guy can come in and steal his starter spot, forcing him to be what he was drafted to be. If Garcia ends up being the starter at any point, that would be another wasted year for Russell and thus may have that “bust” label thrown on him. Garcia has got to be that fire that we all hope will burn under Russell for many yers to come.
May 19th, 2009 at 6:24 am
I was pissed when Gruden wanted to leave. It’s interesting that he never really bad mouthed Davis. Even during the draft when he could have he just said its the Raider way. Who knows. maybe someday in the future…
May 19th, 2009 at 6:25 am
good morning Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, LMN, 4eva …
the AM crew is intact! booyah
May 19th, 2009 at 6:26 am
good morning MR is a d-bag, brave, exla, grilla …
May 19th, 2009 at 6:30 am
Rise n shine Rockstar
May 19th, 2009 at 6:30 am
GOOD DAY ROCKSTAR..
May 19th, 2009 at 6:31 am
SF————-Hated him
Cleveland——Hated him
Detroit——–Hated him
Tampa Bay——Hated him
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Exla: Jeff Garcia was a pro bowl QB who led his team to the playoffs in San Fran and Tampa Bay. He also provided a spark off the bench and carried that Philly team into the playoffs 3 years ago, when McNabb was in a funk. Let me ask you a question …
How many QB’s in the last 10 years have been successful in Detroit or Cleveland?
May 19th, 2009 at 6:40 am
Not even Culpepper was and he had Calvin Johnson racing down the sidelines! Cleveland…who knows? Derek Anderson 2 years ago until the end.
May 19th, 2009 at 6:40 am
Still hated him. Sometimes in life, you get that feeling about someone and it dosn’t change. LMFAO
May 19th, 2009 at 6:41 am
I can’t believe Jerry Mac left Justin Fargas and Sam Williams out of the Raiders’ first HOF class!
obviously these guys mean a lot to Mr. Davis or they wouldn’t STILL be on scholarship. who knows?
Alvis Whitted, Derrick Gibson, Adam Treu and Tui were on scholarship for a long time too and they are finally gone …
May 19th, 2009 at 6:43 am
Sometimes it does change:
Lyle Alzado
Denver——Hated him
Cleveland—Hated him
Raiders—–Our Man!!!
May 19th, 2009 at 6:45 am
GARCIA IS A GOOD Q.B. ROCKSTAR, JUST NOT ON MY FAV. LIST EITHER. HELL I DONT LIKE THE MANNING SISTER’S EITHER, THEY ARE BOTH PRETTY GOOD I HEAR.
May 19th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Ahhh…Alzado and the Tooz! What I wouldn’t give to have a duo like that again! Wait…we had Sapp and the Turd! LOL
May 19th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Derek Anderson is fighting Brady Quinn for the starting Brownies job. Culpepper has been a joke for the past 4 years.
Garcia has a lisp, he’s older than dirt, he’s smallish and he has happy feet. There’s a lot of things not to like about him.
He does make plays and win games though. Gotta give credit where credit is due. He’s a scrappy guy with leadership. Glad to have him here in Oakland
May 19th, 2009 at 6:48 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
May 19th, 2009 at 6:45 am
GARCIA IS A GOOD Q.B. ROCKSTAR, JUST NOT ON MY FAV. LIST EITHER. HELL I DONT LIKE THE MANNING SISTER’S EITHER, THEY ARE BOTH PRETTY GOOD I HEAR.
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Rivers——good QB
Romo——–Good QB
McNabb——Good QB
DON’T LIKE THEM EITHER!!
May 19th, 2009 at 6:53 am
Brady, Rivers and Cutler are good QB’s that I can’t stand!
Daunte Culpepper, Kerry Collins, Matt Leinart & Alex Smith are other QB’s I dislike.
May 19th, 2009 at 7:00 am
With Garcia for a short term fix, I can see us being
8-8. I don’t think that is worth ruining the development of Russell for a season.
May 19th, 2009 at 7:04 am
good point exla #446
Agreed.
Russell is the future. Garcia is a solid backup/mentor
Garcia might have 1 or 2 years left in the tank. Russell might have 10 or 12 years.
Garcia is past his prime. Hopefully Russell is entering his prime!
May 19th, 2009 at 7:12 am
The situation is different in Minn with Farve. They have 2 crappy QB’s. And all the parts for a run in place except for the QB. With the revenge factor, Farve could lead the Vikings deep into the playoffs. He’s been there.
May 19th, 2009 at 7:13 am
That is true Exla…would be funny though, if he goes to Minn and beats the Packers twice, takes them deep in the playoffs, and then retires a Packer!
May 19th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Accomplishments:
from Wiki Farve-. Favre is the first player to win the AP MVP three times (1995–97)[3] in NFL history, and led the Packers to seven division championships (1995, 1996, 1997, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2007), four NFC Championship Games (1995, 1996, 1997, and 2007), two NFC Championships (1996 and 1997), two Super Bowl appearances, and one Super Bowl championship (XXXI).
Jeff Garcis-Married former Penthouse playmate. Guess he’s not as gay as T.O. claimed. imho
May 19th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Someone recently said….”if you can’t improve on silence then keep your mouth shut!”
May 19th, 2009 at 7:22 am
Mad Road Dog Says:
May 19th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Someone recently said….”if you can’t improve on silence then keep your mouth shut!”
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Please forward to Tim Brown, and Jeff Garcia, Thx
May 19th, 2009 at 7:24 am
You can add Sapp and Hall to that list Exla
May 19th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Or in Hall’s case-it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt
May 19th, 2009 at 7:27 am
Garcia is not a credible option unless Russell is injured. First of all, Garcia is a WCO type of QB. He was raised in it and has played his entire career in it. You don’t spend $50M on a wide receiver who’s main attribute is speed and then insert a short armed QB to throw to him. Just doesn’t make sense. Garcia is here for his experience and is a better option then than Andrew Walter. That’s the only reason he’s here.
Anyway, what’s wrong with a 1st year starting QB that throws 13 TDS and 8 Ints and improved as the season progressed? I just don’t get it…..
May 19th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Nothing wrong at all. If J-Russ is benched for Garcia it sets us back years. No point investing in young talent if we jetison it at the first available opp. The future is now, the future is Russell
May 19th, 2009 at 7:31 am
Favre played like crap the second half of last season and now he’s trying to avoid shoulder surgery and rehab it instead? he’s gonna try to play with the pain
Minny should make it an OPEN qb competition between Jackson, Rosenfels, Favre and JD Booty …
If Favre isn’t an upgrade over the garbage they got in Minnesota he should stay retired imo
May 19th, 2009 at 7:33 am
I think garcia was just best available. His style of play doesn’t match our offence. West Coast as you say. We’ve went back in time (again) run, run, run, run, play-action. Fortunately we might just have the talent for traditional Raider football, but only thru Russell.
Patience, Nation
May 19th, 2009 at 7:37 am
The Vikings are not going to sign Farve for mega bucks for one season to make it an open competition. imho
May 19th, 2009 at 7:38 am
What time does OTA start?
May 19th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Damn #389…I stand corrected.
Lefty, your theory about Kiffin brining in Hall to undermind Ryan may be right on point.
AlisGod…you were right, good job.
May 19th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Vikings arn’t that far away. They might just think Favre is the missing piece. NFC north is tight, not much between the teams and the Vikings got the best back in that conference.
At least he isnt going to denver!
May 19th, 2009 at 7:42 am
You don’t spend $50M on a wide receiver who’s main attribute is speed and then insert a short armed QB to throw to him. Just doesn’t make sense.
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SnB Defense : good morning.
I know Al Davis probably drafted DHB with the intention of having Russell throw 60 yard bombs to him racing down the sideline. Problem is we don’t know how good DHB’s hands are yet. We don’t know if he can get off the LOS fast enough with that contact in the first 5 yards. Another problem with this theory is Russell’s accuracy. According to mini camp reports Russell couldn’t hit the broad side of a barn and there was no pressure in his face and nobody covering his WR’s
on paper it looks like JR + DMC + DHB = TD’s
but there is a lot that factors into this equation. It all starts up front with the o-line. If this patchwork group of scrubs (minus Gallery) can do thier jobs and provide protection for Russell and running lanes for the RB trio we might have a dynamic offense. That’s a big IF … we also need these fatties to quit with the stupid drive killing penalties. Russell had a lot of fumbles last year too. We need to keep his jersey clean to have ANY spot at winning more than 5 or 6 games
May 19th, 2009 at 7:44 am
shot, not spot in post #463
sorry. I lost the spelling bee
May 19th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Per PFT, the Patriots are offering a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Derrick Burgess. That would be a not bad deal to re-build this team, Al will of course waste the pick, but considering how often Burgess is injured and there is no way he returns next year, he is a waste of a roster spot with Scott, Richardson, Shaugnessy, Gunheim and Sulak.
May 19th, 2009 at 7:48 am
A second or a third for Burgess = DONE DEAL.
May 19th, 2009 at 7:48 am
The Vikings are not going to sign Farve for mega bucks for one season to make it an open competition. imho
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you’re right, but it isn’t fair to the other players. Rosenfels with a change of scenery and a great supporting cast might be better than an injured, over the hill, one year fix (Favre). Favre throws a lot of INT’s … Bernard Berrian and Sidney Rice are not as good as Donald Driver & Greg Jennings or Lavernaeus Coles and Jerricho Cotchery
May 19th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Per PFT, the Patriots are offering a 2nd or 3rd rounder for Derrick Burgess.
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take it Al !!!
May 19th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Braveheartraider…for you…
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Russell: And if this is your team, why does it lose?
Fickle Fan: We didn’t come here to watch you develop!
OtherFan: You! It takes too long to develop young QBs!
JaMarcus Russell: Sons of Oakland! I am JaMarcus Russell.
Fickle Fan: JaMarcus Russell has a huge arm and is inaccurate!
JaMarcus Russell: Yes, I’ve heard. Throws 100 yards on his knees but can’t hit the broadside of a barn.
[Fickle Fan laughs]
JaMarcus Russell: I *am* JaMarcus Russell! And I see a whole contingent of my teammates, here in defiance of mediocrity. I’ve come to be your QB… and a great QB I am. What will you do with a great QB? Will you let me learn?
Fickle Fan: Learn? In Oakland? No! We will play Garcia. And we will be serviceable.
JaMarcus Russell: Aye, play me and we might lose. Bench me, and you’ll win… at least a little. And dying in your Coliseum, many years from now, would you be willin’ to trade ALL the days, from this day to that, for one chance, just one chance, to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take some wins now, but unlike me someday soon, they’ll never… WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP!
[Raider Nation cheers]
JaMarcus Russell: Throw it Deep!
May 19th, 2009 at 7:51 am
If the pats want burgess than make them take fargas too.
May 19th, 2009 at 7:51 am
we’re already short a 6th round pick next year since we traded up with the Panthers to get TE Brandon Myers.
We could use a 2nd or 3rd rounder in 2010!
May 19th, 2009 at 7:52 am
I hope so, I don’t care that Burgess is in a contract year, he is useless on this team. Similar to Randy Moss; Burgess doesn’t want to perform here and he hides behind injuries. We have so many young DE’s that we are trying to develop, it would make so much sense to cut ties with him now, rather than waiting until we get nothing in return.
May 19th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Priceless SnB
Well, we didn’t get dressed up for nothin…
May 19th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Not fair Rockstar? Not fair is when a team has the talent that the Viquees do and then shove QBs like Jackson and Rosenfels down the throats of the poor fans. Same deal with the Bears the past three seasons. No one could tell me that Jeff Garcia could not have won more games for the Bears than the dorks they kept marching out there as QBs.
In their sho3s I’d take a chance with Favre rather than have no shot with those other dudes.
May 19th, 2009 at 7:56 am
considering how often Burgess is injured and there is no way he returns next year, he is a waste of a roster spot with Scott, Richardson, Shaugnessy, Gunheim and Sulak.
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couldn’t agree more.
I wonder if Burgess will still be sitting on the bench in OTA’s today due to the mysterious “flu” ?
May 19th, 2009 at 7:56 am
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May 19th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Dakota,
I think Sage Rosenfels is better than T. Jackson, Gus Frerotte, Brad Johnson and Drew Henson … those guys were pathetic
I think Sage is better than Matt Schaub too!
but whatever. I’m not a Vikings or Texans fan
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