More OTA notes, quotes
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, May 20th, 2009 at 1:46 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Additonal notes and quotes from interviews gathered following the Raiders organized team activity Wednesday:
– Here was how Tom Cable described JaMarcus Russell’s struggles:
“Just being accurate and understanding where to throw the football and when,” Cable said.
The good news? Cable likes his footwork.
Cable stressed that it was a learning “OTA” heavy in situational play, and that the objective was to have the players comfortbale with the system changes in July so they’d be ready to compete.
– Here’s how Cable responded to reports of Burgess being traded:
“I do expect to go in with him here. But we get inquiries all the time about players and this football team. That one was kind of a surprise. There was some talk during the draft obviously but we get, people inquire about players on this team all the time. So we listen to everything.”
– Burgess is left end Trevor Scott is a right end, but if Burgess is moved Scott could end up a starter since Jay Richardson flopped sides last year.
Scott is keeping the Burgess issue at arm’s length.
“As far as Derrick goes, he’s a great inspiration, he’s a great leader when he’s on the field,” Scott said. “I haven’t really been paying attention to what’s going on,” Burgess said. “I heard a bunch of hearsay but that’s all it is right now. It’s just speculation. Only Derrick really knows what’s going on. I try to stay away from that and let him figure things out.”
Scott, who played last season at under 250 pounds, said he is nearing 260.
“I came back about 258 now,” Scott said. “My strength’s through the roof. I feel great, I feel explosive out there. A lot of the run game, though, as coach Board’s been teaching us, is all about technique and stuff. I just need to keep my hands in and just fight pressure with pressure.”
– Jeff Garcia shrugged off inquries regarding his desire to start a few days after hinting in a Los Angeles radio interview he would be ready to be a starter if called upon.
“I don’t really know or think that there’s a competition there,” Garcia said. “That is something that has already been determined. I’m just here to show that I’m very capable, if needed, to lead the position and to help the position get better and get stronger and to get more confident. That means helping JaMarcus become a better player himself and as much as he expects out of himself, that means me trying to help him expect more and to push him and to be able to show, through my experience on the field, what has been successful for me and how I’ve been able to make it work.
“And I think that’s the main thing as far as just helping the position to get better. He’s got a great attitude. He’s working hard and I just want to help him just continue that path.”
– Garcia’s father Bob, wearing a baseball camp with his son’s initials on it, was a practice observer.
– Cable said the club hasn’t given any thought to trying Michael Huff at cornerback.
– Safety Tyvon Branch, lost to shoulder surgery early in his rookie season, said he is completely healed and looking forward to putting on the pads in July.
Together with rookie Mike Mitchell, if all goes according to play, the Raiders will pair two rising star safeties with a taste for contact.
“People are going to expect us to lay the wood,” Branch said. “When I get my chance, I will.”
Branch said he counts on being part of the solution to shoring up the run defense, and believes coordinator John Marshall’s attention to detail will help in that regard.
“We’re going to be a lot more disciplined in what we do,” Branch said. “that’s one thing he harps on is being in the right spot at the right times. He’s a stickler on that stuff. He counts mental errors every day after practice.”
– Marcel Reece, who made the biggest offensive play by catching a pass in the seam from Garcia, later caught a swing pass and threw an elbow into the face mask of cornerback Justin Miller.
– The OTA format is not conducive to gathering interview material. Locker rooms are closed and players can be approached coming off the practice field. Once they get in the locker room, they’re off limits, and the whole availability period lasts about 10 minutes until Cable addressed the media. By the time he’s done, it’s all over.
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May 20th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
Thanks for the update, Jerry!
May 20th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
LMN,
I see you are getting a new tenant – Fredericia Shipyard – at Lindø. Sounds good for your regional economy…
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yeah the move is less than 20 miles, the Fredericia docks suck, and Lindø is the one of the most modern shipyards in Europa, so its a smart move for all parts, the lease will o for 2 years!
May 20th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
In case anyone missed the link RaiderTay posted last night of our good buddy. Gotta love the chain!! Anyone know who these dudes are that Russell is with?
http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/oakland-raiders-forum-message-board/151619-pictures-jamarcus-may.html
May 20th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
“As far as Derrick goes, he’s a great inspiration, he’s a great leader when he’s on the field,”
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with emphasis on WHEN ON THE FIELD!!!
May 20th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Nice to read some articles that aren’t all negative or trying to make mountains out of molehills. I’m tired of all the negatives I hear. Sounds to me that Cable has a good grip on things and we finnallly have a coach who is working with Al instead of against him all the time. I know a lot of people don’t like Al but I’m a big fan and I believe we have had too many coaches trying to be anti-Al in order to prove they are in charge. Cable seems to be much more secure in himself to not do that
May 20th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
mike mitchell may not even be at these ota`s..ohio u dont kick out until late june…hope im wrong
May 20th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
What happened? Did the Mods get to Jerry? Now he knows how it feels. LOL
May 20th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Raiderman154,
well seen…”Cable seems to be much more secure in himself to not do that (feel he has to be Anti-Al to prove himself).”
nice to have an all growed-up man as HC in charge.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Is Mike Mitchell really banging out his studies on Asian Philosophy right now when he is looking at making millions of dollars soon?
Although, I’m sure he has is choice of “talent” at school right now.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Jeez Vegas,
Those pictures of Russell are awful. What a fat fuk. He obviously has no regard for his physical conditioning and based on his performance thus far he has probably put little time into working on his game this offseason.
Very sad. Let’s hope he gets his act together and puts up big numbers in 2009 based on his talent alone.
But, if he continues with that type of effort he will be out of the NFL before he is 30 years old.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
ExLa,
post #7 is heretical, no?
May 20th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
You guys need not worry about Russell,..Garcia will start every game,…Russell is a fat slob that cant hit a wide open receiver with no pass rush in his face,..think he could complete a pass with Merriman in his grill?…lol,..Russell as I have always said will be the biggest draft bust in history.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
“People are going to expect us to lay the wood,” Branch said. “When I get my chance, I will.”
Branch said he counts on being part of the solution to shoring up the run defense, and believes coordinator John Marshall’s attention to detail will help in that regard.
“We’re going to be a lot more disciplined in what we do,” Branch said. “that’s one thing he harps on is being in the right spot at the right times. He’s a stickler on that stuff. He counts mental errors every day after practice.”
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Gotta love Branch and Marshall in place of Wilson and Ryan …
May 20th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
“Just being accurate and understanding where to throw the football and when,” Cable said.
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Isn’t that the basic job description of a NFL QB?
May 20th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
– Here was how Tom Cable described JaMarcus Russell’s struggles:
“Just being accurate and understanding where to throw the football and when,” Cable said.
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these things aren’t important at the quarterback position, right?
May 20th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
LOL. ottocrat just read my mind!
May 20th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
man, I sure hope that some of you are svelte and athletically gifted ’cause otherwise there might be some hypocrisy going down here.
personally I could not care less about any of the things that some of you rag on JRuss about. What does he do between the lines on game day. Don’t give a flying rat about issues in May.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
I don’t want to jump the gun and start calling Russell a bust since he is going on what, his 4th diff o-coordinator (passing game coordinator, whatever dipschit Al wants to call it) which may be the problem right now.
But he is obviously teetering on the fence and his career could go either way right now…fuk. If he busts we are dead in the water for a loooooong time.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Dakota,
Dude looks trashed, with like an 6 oz glass of some rum and coke thing. So either his fat azz drank like 25 of those things, or can’t handle his booze too well.
Like I said a week ago, it might be better for him to crash and burn so-to-speak, with the hopes he gets “it” after that. I don’t care if he is partying all iced out, I just don’t want to see my #1 pick QB with a huge gut at 24 years old.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
RRS..
but he has great footwork! maybe he should become a boxer?
May 20th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Vegas…
Russell has definitely been working on his “Boiler” during the off-season.
Do they have that necklace, at Raider Image yet?
May 20th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
very SAD indeed.Kid just dont give a fukk
May 20th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
M Lonetree Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
man, I sure hope that some of you are svelte and athletically gifted ’cause otherwise there might be some hypocrisy going down here.
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Lol, if it was our job to be in shape and be prepared to play football then you might have a point M; otherwise your statement is ridiculous.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Yeah, that Cable quote definitely stood out like a sore thumb. Jeez, today was the 1st time I saw those King of Bling pics. He really looks fat. And, based on pic #2, it looks like he gained some of that weight during munchy time. Also, Cable will be a guest on Chronicle Live today.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Vegas…
Russell has definitely been working on his “Boiler” during the off-season.
Do they have that necklace, at Raider Image yet?
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That thing had to cost six figures easy. Pretty unique I thought, not many players get a necklace of his own jersey.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Russell still has 10 days in May plus June, July and August to get the kinks out and learn the Hackett/Tollner offense …
a lot can change in 3 months. Jeff Garcia, the tireless veteran worker and mentor even said “He’s got a great attitude and he’s working hard”
May 20th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Vegas,
Exactly, I could not care less if he was out partying, drinking, all decked out like that…as long as he got up for work the next day, did some Tae Bo to shrink that fat fuking gut, and then went outside and threw a few dozen passes to stay sharp.
He is young, hopefully someday he will “get it”.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Dakota,
what is the incentive for anyone who is guaranteed a lifetime supply of cash to ever be in shape for any reason unless they want to?
May 20th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
You guys are like a bunch of teenagers…worrying about what another man is wearing…how he looks in clothes and all….
May 20th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
M,
Incentive? How about self-respect? Respect for the franchise that paid him to play a game? Respect for his teammates who are depending on him to perform? Respect for the coaches that will get fired if he blows it?
I can’t imagine letting everyone down like that, but it has happened time and time again in the NFL, so it won’t surprise me if it happens to Russell.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
he has great footwork! maybe he should become a boxer?
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LMN: he’d be a heavy weight for sure. he has a big strong arm. can he be accurate with his punches? can he learn when and where to throw a punch? lol
May 20th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
LMN,
I see you are getting a new tenant – Fredericia Shipyard – at Lindø. Sounds good for your regional economy…
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yeah the move is less than 20 miles, the Fredericia docks suck, and Lindø is the one of the most modern shipyards in Europa, so its a smart move for all parts, the lease will o for 2 years!
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I think it was 25 years, no?
May 20th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Rockstar,
All 3 QBs looked bad in the practice today. At least according to that reporter that’s was on the scene. I just hope Tollner/Hackett/Cable are implementing a sound offensive strategy.
Again, why didn’t Cable take the extra mandatory minicamp?
May 20th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
People expect things to be a jump, quick, fast, in a hurry,” Russell said. “They don’t really know football, because there’s a process, and now we’re on one of those building stages of the process and I’m happy to be a part of that because once things are getting going, then everyobody wants to be praising, patting you on the back…..
May 20th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
SnB,
Dude is chubby and at best in the same shape as he was last year (but probably worse) and throwing passes at the feet of his WR’s with not much in they way of defense. Obviously he didn’t work on his craft much since last season ended. Now granted he will improve throughout training camp, but asking for a little off-season dedication isn’t asking for much is it?
May 20th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Dakota,
has JRuss let anyone down yet? From what JLH and Chaz had to say he’s doing fine and does have their respect. Becoming more of a leader as time passes.
A gut is what people are worried about?
May 20th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Vegas…
They could make a knock off, out of rhinestones and sell them to the female members of the Nation.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Easy way to get money out of JRuss. Approach him with a can’t-miss investment opportunity. Picture this JaMarcus. We’re going to create a hybrid of Burger King and The Shane Company. Just make the check out to….
May 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Wow, those JRuss pictures were obviously taken since he’s been a Raider, what a shame. Party all you want as long as you get the job done but being that fat there’s no way he’s gettin the job done. We gotta get Vick cuz Garcia is not the long term solution and Garcia can’t throw the deep ball which would make DHB a worthless #1 pick. Very disheartening
May 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
BSJ….
it is… my keyboard just didnt register i pushed the 5′r button
May 20th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Russell is confident in himself and the team, so from that perspective he is doing very well. Glass half full, glass half full, glass half full…………..
May 20th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Al Davis should have hired Dan Marino to be JaMarcus Russell’s mentor and QB coach. kill 2 birds with one stone
Marino is a big supporter of Nutrisystem, Weight Watchers or whatever.
shoot. get Larry the Cable Guy in there with his slim fast or Jenny Craig to “get r done”
May 20th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
or the g for that matter =)
May 20th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Moose,
post 34, sounds as a young man who gets it, who understands what is going down and that patience is also a part of the process.
like his end quote for the antis and bandwagoners.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
I think the photos were from last weekend and the fight right? Unless he goes out in his designer backpack and un-light cigar all the time.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
M,
Like his teammates are going to come out and state the truth, lol. Come on man. And he is letting them down by not giving them 100% effort. No one that looks pregnant at 24 years old is giving 100% effort, let alone 50% effort. But we’ll see if his talent can carry his gut through until he develops a better work ethic.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
raiders fans need to get a grip on jamarcus russell.so is not the reason they have not won more than 5 games in 6 years.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Raider O…
are you out there?
May 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
why didn’t Cable take the extra mandatory minicamp?
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the same reason he benched Huff and not Fargas?
the same reason he tried to make Janikowski the ball carrier on a fake FG run?
the same reason he doesn’t make guys practice plays until they execute them properly?
the same reason he doesn’t stop a play with there is a false start or offsides penalty?
you tell me S&B !!!
May 20th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
I’d still rather have a fat Russell than sign that POS Michael Vick.
Oh, and people that look pregnant at age 24 generally look like this at age 30, lol:
http://scrapetv.com/News/Images/fat%20guy%20eating%20giant%20hamburger.jpg
May 20th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Dakota,
calling his Raider teammates liars, that is not very thoughtful of you.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
I haven’t paid any attention to the weight, bad work ethic, lazy comments made about Jamarcus till I’ve seen his fat ass in the photos
May 20th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
You really are reaching M. Just look at the pictures…do your eyes deceive you? Does that look like someone giving it their all? Or even half their all?
If it is then you have very low expectations.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
maybe Russell and Sands were the reason Lane Kiffin had the whole team eating veggie burgers and drinking soy milk last year?
May 20th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
I guess Jamarcus is going to be the Livan Hernandez of NFL QB’s. So fat and out of shape during the offseason he is awful at the beginning of camp (spring training), gets in a little better shape once the season starts and by the middle of the year in the ideal shape you would like him to be in from day 1.
Livo had all the talent in the world, had his moments when he was younger but ultimately is still fat and unprepared to live up to his talents.
May 20th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Russell isn’t fat … he’s big boned!
as we like to say about girls. he has a good personality
May 20th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Russell spent the offseason working out with former Raider Chester McGlockton at Fatburger
May 20th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Perhaps Jerry or the media should ask Tom Cable or JaMarcus himself about the team weight and conditioning program. If the team is fine with the conditioning of this team then you all should be too. No one here is a sports nutritionist or a physical trainer or have a degree in exercise science…so all this teenage gossip of ogling a photograph and commenting on weight is just like a teenager saying “did you see her in that dress” type stuff.
Gimmie a break
May 20th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Someone please tell me there has been a franchise QB that looked pregnant at age 24? Give me some hope!
My first thought was Elway…but even when he won the SB in his late 30s he was in better shape than Russell is right now:
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2008/magazine/specials/sportsman/2008/10/31/wahl.elway/john-elway.jpg
Marino? Nope, not at 24.
Help me out guys.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Just to be fair, it looks like JRuss is only in his second trimester. Somebody should deliver some pickles and ice cream to Harbor Bay Dr.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
see you guys tomorrow …
May 20th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
SnB,
Like they would be honest…come on, what planet are you living on? Ask them directly and expect an honest answer? lol.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
RRS…
see ya
May 20th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Next thing you know..Joan Rivers will be the Raider Beat reporter…
May 20th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
In all fairness, Big Ben isn’t in the best shape either, a little soft in the middle. That’s who I would compare Russell’s talents to, rocket-arm but accuracy issues, mobile but not a scrambler, huge guy.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
There has got to be a fat fuk QB that has succeeded in the NFL, come on guys, I need something to hang my hat on here, help me out.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
That was pretty good SnB
May 20th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Thank you Vegas!!!…Ben Roethlesfatburger…okay, I can sleep at night for a while…
…I’d sleep better if Russell had his defense though…
May 20th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Dakota,
Players have to be in shape and they have to pass a conditioning test. They can be in breach of contract if they are not in condition for camp.
When I hear that Russell has flunked the conditioning test…then I’ll join in on the chorus of boos emanating from this blog.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
I don’t know. I think JRuss would beat Big Ben in the Nathan’s hot dog eating challenge hands down. Kobiashi may give him a run for his money though.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
What’s up LMN?
May 20th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
to bad we didn’t draft Raji, helluva bellyflop comp between Raji, Russell and Sands
May 20th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
I think people would be laughing at the photos if he didn’t throw passes at the feet of his WR’s today.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Well, I am an expert on beer bellys. Since I have been working on one longer than Russell has been alive.
The kid has a beer belly, cheese burger belly. Call it what you want, but he as a boiler.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
They say the Raider Jersey on Jamarcus necklace is actually Medium adult male
May 20th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Dakota,
The bottom line is a lot of people wanted Brady Quinn. They are upset that Russell went ahead of Quinn. It doesn’t matter what Russell does for many of you on this board. So be it. It matter that’s resolved on the field during regular season games. Not in celebrity scoop pictures from some stupid web site. And like any other player, Russell will have to prove his worth there.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Raider O…
do you remember our conversation about a SB in europe?
where you said how i would feel if a final was in the US???
May 20th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
M,
What’s up man? Did you ever read Law of Attraction?
May 20th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Lol, come on SnB, you don’t really believe that do you? You really think that even if Russell was 325 lbs that the Raiders would admit a mistake and announce that Russell was in breach of contract due to his weight? haaaaahahahaha yeah right.
You just go on ignoring your eyes and believing that the Raiders will keep us all informed of their true state of mind about Russell’s weight, lol.
But at this point it is just a major red flag IMO, nothing more, he can still pull his head out of his ass and win us some games. Not a bust yet (although there is a bust growing in his shirt), just more likely bust material if he doesn’t get his act together.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
And this is the reason a lot of teams don’t allow media access to practices and OTAs unless forced to by the league. Because people overreact postively or negatively based on a 7 on 7 drill in practice.
The Lions went 4-0 in the 2008 pre-season :/
May 20th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Ya, and I almost want to laugh now!!!
May 20th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
LMN,
ya, lol. Go on.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Russell has nice tits. Can our starting QB also be a Raiderette?
May 20th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Let me repeat:
The Lions went 4-0 in the 2008 pre-season
Again, the following clip is for all you guys overreacting right now!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frsId3goYYE
May 20th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
raider o..
the UEFA Cup final was played tonight, the winner was Ukraine Shaktar Donetsk against German Werder Bremen…and it was played in Istanbul, Turkey
the Champions league finas is next week in Rome, Italy between Spains Barca, and Man U from England…
I can see no harm if it some day was played in the US….
May 20th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frsId3goYYE
May 20th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Dakota…
Sonny Jurgensen, had a mighty boiler on him.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
By the way SnB, I never wanted Quinn in Oakland, I wanted Russell. This isn’t about who we wanted to draft, its about Russell being the best hope we have of pulling out of this nose-dive, but obviously lacking the drive to keep himself in the NFL beyond the age of 30.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Dakota,
Russell will be judged on wins and losses. Again, if he flunks the conditioning test in July…then I’ll start listening to all this b.s going around right now
May 20th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
LMN,
lol, I thought it was going to be in the US.
But you have to agree, soccer is different. It’s an international sport comaperd to a national sport like the NFL!
May 20th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Everybody’s worried about whether Super Mario or Barnes is going to be at LT. What they don’t realize is, JRuss is putting on the pounds so he can block for himself. Yet another football innovation brought to you by Al Davis
May 20th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
AI is supposed to make me feel better?? AI just blew off practice, if he wanted to he could have schooled those guys in practice all-day. Jamarcus is throwing swing passes at guys feet, when he is trying to do well. Not a good comparision.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
raider o…
yeah so you think, its only americans that think NFL is an national sport…
May 20th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Imagine if the UK Cricket finals were in the US!! That might be too extreme, but you get the point.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
They say the pics were taking Spring Break right b4 Russell entered the Wet T contest
May 20th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Vegas Raider,
The Lions were 4-0 in the preseason last year…But that’s not what got them in the record books.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
taken
May 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
# Raider O Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Imagine if the UK Cricket finals were in the US!! That might be too extreme, but you get the point.
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well the UK finals might be wrong, but the international finals would be great, they already is in other countries…
May 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
LMN,
I don’t really understand your last post!
Can you help me pls.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Just for the record, the poster if the pics says it was a typo, that the pics were from MARCH or earlyer. In the comment section…
May 20th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
there are more TV viewers of NFL outside US than inside…
May 20th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
LMN,
Post # 93.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
SnB,
I know, and we went like 4-1 in the preseason in the Shell/Walsh year. I know it is practice but dude has to be a leader to set the standard of sharp-crisp practices that will translate onto Sundays. Foot-level passes and INT’s to end practice may not be “red-flags” but they are at least “yellow”.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Vegas Raider,
Everyone is making declarative statements on the 2009 campaign based on a couple of practice sessions. We don’t see the other sessions…the QB school…drills done away from cameras or prying eyes…
Its like basing the 2008 Raiders season on the Denver game in Mile High. Its just a snippet and not the full picture.
This team is also implementing a new offense and maybe there are some concepts in there that are different. Maybe the route running was bad on one play…maybe the QBs are still trying to adapt to new concepts that they are not used too. Who knows. But all 3 QBs looked poor today. If they are looking this bad in August…then its time to start screaming and yelling
May 20th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
raider o…
NFL was solely american entertainment in the 80’s since it have had more and more international followers…
since the mid ’00s there have been more followers of NFL outside US than inside, even if the NFL has had more viewer inside than other sport…
so its international…
May 20th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
LMN,
Viewers, yes. But what other country has a football league?? Countries like India and Turkey play Cricket and have their own leagues.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
vegas raider Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Dakota,
Dude looks trashed, with like an 6 oz glass of some rum and coke thing. So either his fat azz drank like 25 of those things, or can’t handle his booze too well.
Like I said a week ago, it might be better for him to crash and burn so-to-speak, with the hopes he gets “it” after that. I don’t care if he is partying all iced out, I just don’t want to see my #1 pick QB with a huge gut at 24 years old.
^^^^^^
I guess some of you didn’t notice past pictures of Eli and Big Ben with actual drinks in their hands??
Didn’t those two drunks win Super Bowl titles?
Lets see how Russell develops with this new terminology on vertical plays (that was unecessary in the place) happens during the pre season before everyone cries and panics.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
raider O…
and Gooodells job is to secure the NFLs popularity, he does that by gettting games to the UK and some day to ahve an SB in Europe… he just takes care of the Market…
May 20th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
LMN,
Post #105.
That’s where we disagree. It’s not international if no other country has a football league, or even play the sport. IMO
May 20th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Raider O…
the international world dont need other teams they already have 32 to choose from… we dont care if they all are US-based… only americans care about that…
May 20th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
I’m ok with the idea of games in the UK, and even a PB one day. The SB is a diff story.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
# Raider O Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
LMN,
Post #105.
That’s where we disagree. It’s not international if no other country has a football league, or even play the sport. IMO
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with that logic i shouldnt be rooting for the raiders?? i should be rooting for Copenhagen Towers?
I shouldnt be rooting for Liverpool or Barca??
May 20th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
I remember seasons in the past where we would hear how crisp practice looked, or how strong a player looked, or the command of the coaches…and on and on and on…
I realize that performances in camp and practice don’t translate to the season. Why? Because we only see bits and pieces. If Russell was lighting it up in the OTA session or that mini-camp…that wouldn’t mean anything either.
As for Russell’s weight. I haven’t heard anyone saying he looks out of shape for mini camp and OTAs.
I am not going to base anything on some stupid pictures taken by paparazzi outside a social event.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
LMN,
That wasn’t my point sir! My point was, do these people even play football at school, parks, etc… That’s great that they can pick from one of the 32 teams in the US, and they are more than welcome to come watch them here anytime. lol
May 20th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Dakota Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
There has got to be a fat fuk QB that has succeeded in the NFL, come on guys, I need something to hang my hat on here, help me out.
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Sonny Jurgenson
May 20th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
SnB,
Garcia is a noted bad practice guy, and yes all 3 struggled. Maybe this is all being over-blown, but we live in a what have you done for me lately world. Today, we saw photos of Jamarcus wasted, fat and with about one million dollars worth of ice on (I did like the chain) and followed that up with a practice that ended with coach summarizing his problems, “Just being accurate and understanding where to throw the football and when”. Not good.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
raider O…
can you root for a college team outside Cali??
then just put it to a larger scale…
May 20th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
LMN,
I’m a fan of Chelsea, but I don’t think they will come and play in the US.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
LMN,
I’m also a huge fan of the OSU, but they don’t come here to play SDSU!!
May 20th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
Vegas Raider,
So Garcia is a noted bad practice guy. Well maybe Russell is a bad p;ractice guy too. I doubt both of those statements…the world we live in hasn’t changed at all for sports…its about winning games and championships…that’s all.
You saw photos of Russell on that link…did you see those photos of Manning/Big Ben…How about that picture of Quinn with his buddies…Mark Sanchez already doing modeling of fancy clothes and looking like a fool…all this stuff is soap opera junk…
Its about winning games on the field and that’s it.
Again, there’s a conditioning test these guys have to pass…until I hear that he failed that…all this stuff you guys are worried about is pointless
May 20th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
LMN,
Think about it this way.
Jordanian will be mad as Hell if the Jordanian Cup finals were played in Saudi!!
May 20th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Bet ya didn’t know our QB has an IMDB page:
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0077544/
May 20th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
LMN,
LMFAO, I see them as the Raiders of Soccer.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
# Raider O Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
LMN,
Think about it this way.
Jordanian will be mad as Hell if the Jordanian Cup finals were played in Saudi!!
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I get your point, to us the NFL just isnt a NATIONAL league… though its 2/3 of the name… or a regional for that matter, then Raiders only should have cali-players…
May 20th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
I also like AC Milan.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
SnB,
He lights it up tomorrow and I take everything back. It is no doubt all about Sundays, and you know that I have been a consistent supporter of Jamarcus Russell. I have no problem with him partying, I just didn’t like the gut. Wouldn’t him showing up in great shape have been a great sign? Didn’t happen.
BTW, all fitness tests aren’t the same. You think they put Nmamdi through the same tests as Terdell? Is Jamarcus’ physical test going to be more Nmamdi or Turdell?
May 20th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
#87 – You beat me to the punch
Sonny J was quite the round boy.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
# Raider O Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
LMN,
LMFAO, I see them as the Raiders of Soccer.
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get a grip…
Liverpool is the raiders of soccer, and Man U is the steelers…
LFC have won 18 championships…
So has Man U as of this season… most under Sir Alex… Man U’s Sir Alex is the equivalent to Bil Cowhwer….
Chelsea have won 3 or so championsships… LOL
May 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
as long as russell is not breaking the law.he can do what ever he wants on his off day.the guy has been here all off-season.espn announced today that tom brady will not take part in ota`s.nobdy wins a superbowl in may.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
# Raider O Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
I also like AC Milan.
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I get that, Paulo Maldini is the best defender ever…
re, chelsea, the GM is Frank Arnesen… fantastic man!
May 20th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Arnesen
May 20th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
vegas raider Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
SnB,
He lights it up tomorrow and I take everything back.
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That’s the problem. You will never know how things go tomorrow. The media, and therefore the fans, were only given access on Wednesday…not yesterday or tomorrow.
May 20th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
LMN,
Think of it like Soccer. Every country in the world has a soccer league, it wasn’t always that way. If there is Demand, then supplies will be available. Simple Econ.
Give it time!! Let’s start with a few games and the Europ Football league. Once there is more demand, then maybe some of the 32 teams will relocate to Canada or Mexico. Then we can take it a step further. But this needs a lot of time, and I fear Goodell us rushing it for the wrong reasons. IMHO
May 20th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
well…
May 20th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Raider O…
that will take 50 years, the market for games in europe are there now, they have more money to spend, so it will be the norm within 5 years…
May 20th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Raider O…
as i said its only americans that think of the NFL as a national league the rest f the world see it as an international league, where the teams just are based in the US…
furthermore, the discussion was a SB… we have been used to finals been in other countries for centuries..
May 20th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
LMN,
I will lose it, if they let Ronaldinho go to Mansh!yter United!!
May 20th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
gotta get some beard off, and get ready to hit the town..
ill be back! as your govinator said….
May 20th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Those Russell Pictures are VERY disturbing!!!!
They validate my own investigations.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
LMN,
I just see it as a slap in the face, if Goodell moves the SB abroad. Call it the International Football league then. Americans paid a lot if money to have the NFL at this level. I also feel the Goodell should focus more on making this game and it’s products from quality to price better for the American public, since they invested so much of their money and time in it to make it what it’s today. The Great NFL. Again, IMHO
May 20th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
You know you want one of those chains KoolKell.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Quarterback Finger-Pointing throughout NFL history:
Jamarcus Russell is too fat.
John Elway is too fat.
Sonny Juregensen is too fat.
Steve Young showed up for training camp too fat.
Peyton Manning is too skinny (at start of career).
Doug Flutie is too short.
Jeff Garcia is too short and has happy feet.
Ken Stabler is a drunken stoner.
Joe Namath doesn’t care about football, only partying with women.
Jim Plunkett (when he came to Raiders) is too old and fat.
Rich Gannon is a non-competent back-up, not a starter.
Kerry Collins is a drunk and not mobile enough for NFL.
Joe Montana will never make it – too skinny.
DO I HAVE TO GO ON? I CAN! ALL DAY! Nobody’s quarterback is PERFECT enough.
Let’s quit fretting, give Jamarcus a chance to learn the new system, and quit picking apart how he looks and every mistake he makes EVEN BEFORE PRE-SEASON, FOR GOODNESS SAKES!!!!
May 20th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Also, look at BaseBall. It’s MLB, not ALB.
It’s all mine, and I don’t want to share man. Get your own NFL. lol
LMAO,
Later LMN.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
will sombody please explain to me why all the jamarcus russell bashing.i can understand the bay area media but why the fans.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Vegas, that chain!!!OMG!!!
He looks like a Fat hick kid who hit the lottery.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
I like his Chain!!! What’s wrong with it?!?.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
# Raider O Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
LMN,
I will lose it, if they let Ronaldinho go to Mansh!yter United!!
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bwahahahaha, he is done, he was great like 4 years ago, its like asking Tim Brown to suit up…
he might go to Manchester City, but they have shyt for brains, owned by a former Thai d1ctator…
May 20th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Having the Pro Bowl in a different foreign country every year is a good idea. Nobody really cares about it here anyway, and it would be a good opportunity for the international community to see the best NFL players on the field at the same time. It’s all about marketing anyway, and an all-star format might even be more interesting to a non-US crowd than the championship game itself. Might be good incentive to attend for some guys who skip it every year because of “injury”, too.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
JAMARCUS LOOKS TERRIBLE
so far…
Dave White was doing Twitter play-by-play from OTA. He didn’t offer opinions – just play by play.
JR was 1 of 3 versus no defense first drill.
JR was 9 of 12 versus air next drill.
JR threw several dropped INTs during a run of six straight bad passes vs a defense.
JR threw a 4 yard screen at Fargas feet.
JR finally completed a pass other than a dump-off or screen – a 12 yarder to Stewart.
There isn’t enough kool aid in the world to think this is good.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
It’s flashy and rich!!!
May 20th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
# Raider O Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Also, look at BaseBall. It’s MLB, not ALB.
It’s all mine, and I don’t want to share man. Get your own NFL. lol
LMAO,
Later LMN.
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let me illustrate it like this, this is how international we see it…
AFC W = Spain
AFC N = England
AFC S = Italy
AFC E = Germany
NFC W = Portugal
NFC N = Turkey
NFC S = France
NFC E = Russia
May 20th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
OTAs in review
After mulling it over lunch and commute, the one thing that stood out about today’s media-access Organized Team Activity continues to be the play of the quarterbacks.
SFGate.com
Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell.
We know the Raiders can run the ball and we know they can complete screen passes. We also know they have a great pass defense and, because of the no-contact rule, can’t possibly tell if the run defense is improved until the games are played.
That puts all eyes on quarterback JaMarcus Russell, and to a lesser extent, Jeff Garcia, to see how the renewed vertical passing game is coming along. The Raiders are using OTAs to improve in that area, so it bears watching closely as the biggest unknown this offseason.
So about Russell …
Russell was 9 of 12 in drills where the defense was not on the field. He was 6 of 14 in 11-on-11 drills with one interception. He was 1 for 4 in 7-on-7 drills with one interception, though that one was on the fullback for letting it bounce off his hands.
Two other passes were dropped by cornerbacks.
Garcia was not noticeably better, and Bruce Gradkowski was significantly worse, save his red-zone touchdown pass to Louis Murphy. Andrew Walter continues to skip all voluntary functions.
Raiders coach Tom Cable defended Russell’s ongoing accuracy problems — kind of. He’s willing to cut Russell some slack because there are new plays in the passing game. But Cable only stretched so far to explain the obvious misfires.
Asked what Russell is struggling with, Cable said, “Just being accurate and understanding where to throw the football and when.”
“We’re looking to see him learn the new stuff because there’s a tremendous amount of new stuff because there’s more down-the-field action. So just getting him more settled that way.”
Russell did not complete a pass beyond 10 yards until the final drill of practice, when he hit 2 of 3 to tight ends over the middle. In between, though, he overthrew Johnnie Lee Higgins by several feet as Stanford Routt swooped in for the pick.
Russell also hit Justin Fargas in the shoelaces on his first throw against the defense, a 4-yard screen for an incompletion. His nicest throw was a fade route that 5-foot-11 receiver Samie Parker couldn’t quite get in the end zone’s corner, but the touch was the best seen in practice yet. Darrius Heyward-Bey brings that one down at 6-2.
Cable said they will keep trying this until they get it right. They may be a run-first offense, but the vertical game is back, even if it takes all offseason to perfect it.
“I wanted to put together a passing game that I was comfortable with,” Cable said. “That was something more 10, 20 to 30 yards down the field and I think you’re seeing that impact big plays every day as we go throwing the ball down the field in much greater numbers.”
Other quick hits …
** The good news on Russell: there was only one fumbled snap, and it belonged to Garcia.
Cable said Russell’s footwork is getting better.
“I think he’s making some progress that way,” Cable said. “I like his work inside the pocket. He seems to be a little cleaner and quicker than he was before.”
** It looks like former starting strongside linebacker Ricky Brown has been bumped inside as he returns from offseason groin surgery.
Brown is playing middle linebacker behind Kirk Morrison. If they plan to move Morrison back outside where he started as an NFL rookie, they must be waiting until training camp to try.
Jon Alston has added 20 pounds to a lifetime-high 235 as he plays with the first-team defense on the strongside. He had an interception and blitz-sack Wednesday.
** Second-year defensive end Greyson Gunheim started at left end with Derrick Burgess absent (voluntary) and Jay Richardson sidelined by a minor knee strain.
Gunheim got up the middle for a coverage sack of Russell. Defensive tackle Ryan Boschetti also deflected a Russell pass.
** Defensive tackle Tommy Kelly continues to impress against the run, knocking down Justin Fargas at the line of scrimmage on the first team-drill play (FYI, Kelly, contact is against the rules here).
** One more Russell note: when he flat-out missed tight end Darrell Strong in the flats, he smacked his hands and cussed out loud. I can’t tell you another time he was that vocal about a bad play in practice. For those wanting a more fiery quarterback, there you go.
** Rookie tight end Brandon Myers beat strong safety Tyvon Branch over the middle for a big gain. Good for Myers, bad for Branch as he tries to learn NFL coverage.
Say what you want about Michael Huff, but he usually did a pretty good job covering tight ends.
** Speaking of Huff, Cable shot down our latest attempt to suggest (via interview questions) he get a chance to play cornerback since safety hasn’t worked out.
“No, not yet,” Cable said. “I think we need, to again, let him continue to develop at that free safety spot, because as you’ve seen, he’s got a ton of range, made a couple of big plays yesterday coming from center field. I think it’s better off for us to leave where it’s at right now.”
** Louis Murphy Sr. came to practice to watch Louis Murphy Jr., the fourth-round wide receiver. He talked about his son’s extensive track history, the 4.25-second 40 he once ran at Florida and how he led the national-champion Gators in receiving.
Just then, Murphy went to his knees on the near sideline to pull in a comebacker right in front of Dad.
“Way to go down for it, Murphy,” Dad said as he clapped. When asked his thoughts of local housing costs, the smile went away. It came back when asked about our weather.
** The injury list includes defensive tackle Gerard Warren (pectoral), defensive end Jay Richardson (knee strain), tight end Zach Miller (hernia), left guard Robert Gallery (calf), offensive lineman Paul McQuistan (knee), wide receiver Arman Shields (knee), wide receiver Javon Walker (knee), fullback Oren O’Neal (knee) and center Samson Satele (shoulder).
Cable expects players to start getting healthy after the team takes next week off.
** No-shows for the voluntary workouts included cornerbacks Nnamdi Asomugha and Chris Johnson; punter Shane Lechler; kicker Sebastian Janikowski; defensive end Derrick Burgess; and quarterback Andrew Walter.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
He kind of is KoolKell, except he did earn this “lottery” by playing well in the SEC.
He was wearing the designer backpack and un-lit cigar that Monte Poole described for him when he was at the Ward fight. Those pics are supposedly not from that event. So apparently, un-lit cigars and designer back-packs is his standard motif. Gotta love it, he is a Raider!
May 20th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
LMN,
He’s not done!!! He can still play, look at Zidane.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Excited about Branch and Mitchell.
Not so much about strong side LB…
Still a gap there…for that matter, still a gap at MLB too unless Marshall’s discipline is for real.
Alot of the bigs runs from last year were when 2nd-3rd stringers were in, but alot came from LBs not minding their responsibilites…
May 20th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
LMN,
Post# 152, LMFAO!!
May 20th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I like the AFC, it’s a power house.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
# Raider O Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
LMN,
He’s not done!!! He can still play, look at Zidane.
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pffft… okay he istn like tim brown, he is like a 2009’s version of amani toomer… yeah he stillcan play, but not like anybody would fear him…
Im not an man u guy, but the as of now, has 5-6 guys better than him at his position…
why do you think Barca let him go???
May 20th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Russell’s struggling to mind his feet.
Worrisome, but like Jerry said, its early…
At LSU Russell was close to 69% in completions so he’s capable
May 20th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
# Raider O Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
I like the AFC, it’s a power house.
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of course! =) LOL
but dont take it literally its just a way to illustrate who we see it…
May 20th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Marcel Reese is catching passes out of the backfield? Hes already better than Justin Fargas.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
24
Did you see those Russell photos in post #1?
May 20th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Peace Nation!~
May 20th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
162….
who we see it… = how we see it…
LOL
May 20th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
oh..
well… my mates are right on time, its 0130… party time.. see ya!
May 20th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
BSJ…
btw… remember to watch the youtube clips when you get home… LOL
see ya all!
May 20th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
KoolKell – Yeah I saw them. He looks really heavy and you can see his stomach pushing out his shirt. In my opinion, hes not in good shape but hey…I really don’t care what he looks like as long as he can complete the easiest passes on the planet and the fact that he struggles with that, concerns me more. If hes going to allow himself to get out of shape like that, whos to say that he gives a crap at all about playing football? I’m not sure if it really matters as long as he shows up on Sunday’s and wins games so that test will have to play itself out.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Jeff Garcia 2009 …. Tim Tebow 2010. Youre welcome.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Tim Tebow will likely fail in the NFL.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
No doubt, Jamarcus will be in “ideal” shape by week 8 or so, and I expect good things from him this year. I just don’t think it is unreasonable to tell him that relying on the season to get him in “ideal” shape is not what team leaders do. Put in the off-season work, and come out and dominate these practices instead of barely completing 60% of practice passes.
I’ve had enough for the day, adios.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Likely to fail is better then Russell, which is already failed.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
2010 Mock Draft has us taking Taylor Mays. That would be awesome but not if we’re picking #6 because our team failed again.
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php
May 20th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Jamarcus Russell is a bum. If all quaterbacks on roster were making equal money Garcia would EASILY start, Gradkowski would be backup,…and whoever would be 3rd string,..Russell without question would be cut.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
The bits & pieces of info we get regarding him are beginning to concern me. He’s a young fat country as a chickencoop kid.
Although he did finish his first season strong. Yeah, we’ll see.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Well…Peyton Manning isn’t fat but if he takes his shirt off, he looks scary weak so you could say hes out of shape as well. It works both ways. Its all about what you do on Sunday’s.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
SinceFrankYouellField Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Quarterback Finger-Pointing throughout NFL history:
Jamarcus Russell is too fat.
John Elway is too fat.
Sonny Juregensen is too fat.
Steve Young showed up for training camp too fat.
Peyton Manning is too skinny (at start of career).
Doug Flutie is too short.
Jeff Garcia is too short and has happy feet.
Ken Stabler is a drunken stoner.
Joe Namath doesn’t care about football, only partying with women.
Jim Plunkett (when he came to Raiders) is too old and fat.
Rich Gannon is a non-competent back-up, not a starter.
Kerry Collins is a drunk and not mobile enough for NFL.
Joe Montana will never make it – too skinny.
DO I HAVE TO GO ON? I CAN! ALL DAY! Nobody’s quarterback is PERFECT enough.
Let’s quit fretting, give Jamarcus a chance to learn the new system, and quit picking apart how he looks and every mistake he makes EVEN BEFORE PRE-SEASON, FOR GOODNESS SAKES!!!!
^^^^^
Oh yeah and let me add more to the list….
They also said Elway was a drunk….
Eli didn’t have the work ethic and drive as Peyton did and was a spoiled brat. He won a Super Bowl…
Big Ben- said he parties, drinks too much and is fat….he has won two Super Bowls…
McNabb- couldnt be a pocket passer….he was too fat as a pro….been to two NFC championships
Peyton Manning- too skinny and reputation for choking in the big games…won a super bowl
May 20th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Jamarcus Russell – Hated on by many simply for being an Oakland Raider and we have to live with that. Thats the reputation Al Davis worked so hard to build.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Scrutiny comes with the #1 pick, especially a QB.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
I sure would like Russell better if he was the Charger qb,..then we would finally beat them.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
I’m reading the David White Twitter play by play of the OTA’s and he mentions Ted Tollner coaching the WR’s out loud. This is the 2nd mention of Tollner coaching the WR’s and I wonder if Lal isn’t doing a good job or since Tollner won’t be calling plays as the Offensive Coordinator, if hes doing alot of assisting with different parts of the offense or if hes only assisting Lal in this area. Either way, this is a good thing because we have more experience being used in that area.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
JaMarcus Russell is hated on because he’s black, and dresses like a stereotype, easy.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
I think we’ll beat the Chargers with Russell as the Raiders QB…I think.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Hard to imagine we havent beat sd since Gannon was qb,..unreal.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Ya right 24,..last time he played them he was so scared, sucked, faked an injury to get the heck outta there,..Russell hopefully cut in Napa.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Excuse me, “dresses like a clown”
May 20th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
I hope Garcia starts the next two years and I see him teaching Gradkowski to be a great qb,…keep Walter for 3rd stringer and cut Russell,..by the way if Russell was cut he would celebrate,..hes already paid and doesnt even like football, only likes the lifestyle.
May 20th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
David White on Twitter…
next play; jamarcus misses way wide right in flats screen. yells “s” word. wow. some emotion.
(Hahaha
Yay! Emotion.)
May 20th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Norco Bob – Damn. I forgot about that. Man it hurts.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Werll I guess I will watch Cable on Chron live,..good for a laugh,..hes been with Davis all day getting told what to say.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Oh great, cat-eater Tim Kawakami is on the show.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
Chron live or KRON live?
May 20th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
darrius heyward-bey will report tonite and practice thursday.this is good because it tells me he`s going to stay in the bay area for awhile and work out here.mike mitchell can not report till june 6th and will miss the next ota per league rules.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Maybe a QB has to be an idiot or drunk or fat in order to win the Superbowl? Sweet!
May 20th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Chron.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Norco,
Are you off your meds today buddy?
You okay? Your writing suggests your about to have a heart attack…..
May 20th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
One thing that doesn’t bode well having a fat QB is its that much easier to shred a knee carrying extra weight. HEY HEY HEY
May 20th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Im never off meds,…I am actually feeling great as I see hope, I see now that they brought in Garcia to play, not to mentor,..I hate Russell and want him off the team.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Norco Bob ,
hate russell .that`s a strong word.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Cable not on the Chron Live show yet,..Al Davis has to talk to him first to tell him what to say,..but Al isnt sure who Cable is so he sent Herrera to show him.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
I wouldnt use the word hate but cant find harsher word.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Norco Bob ,
why?
May 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Death if you have to ask why, then I wont waste my time,…you and your Russell jersey deserve each other.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
I just want Russell to take his 32 million dollar bonus and go away….and by the way thats what he wants to do also.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
I will tell you this,…Im in the north endzone,..real close to the field,..I boo`d him all last year, and by the end of the season about the entire section was,..I will start chant again if he plays,..Garcia is so much better then him its not funny.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Norco Bob ,
don`t have a russell jersey,but i just don`t get the russell hatred.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Quite frankly…it seems Russell is the most unpopular Quarterback in the league. Its clear the only support he enjoys is from teammates, coaches and a handful of fans.
I have to say I am genuniely surprised by the level of vitrol in here over the quarterback. Wow…
The ONLY chance the Raiders have of winning for the next 5 years or so rests on the shoulders of JaMarcus Russell. I will go on record as saying that he is a good QB that will only get better.
If you are wishing for QBs that haven’t won anywhere else in their pro career to start (read Garcia, Gratkowski etc) you are wishing for another 2-14 season. Garcia is terrible quarterback.
And remmeber, Russell beat Garcia head 2 head and all 3 QBs are struggling to get their timing, accuracy, snaps counts etc….in this early part of the offseason.
Did I mention that Garcia is on the Raiders because he couldn’t beat Oakland at home in a game for the playoffs. You really want to start Josh Mc…oops Jeff Garcia over Russell…I say you don’t know football.
BTW, those pictures were probably taken around the time of his ankle surgery….
Gimmie a break!
May 20th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Norco Bob ,
last time i saw garcia in a game he choked away the 4th quarter with a playoff berth on the line.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Death,..when hes off the team I wont hate him anymore.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Hardly death,…the old tired D of the Bucs folded.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Cable on Chron Live now,…spewing Davis`s company line.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
I think Al Davis has told Cable that he has to work in the phrase “throw deep” in every sentence or hes fired.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Sounds like Cable wants Mike Vick.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Head 2 Head
JaMarcus Russell: 14/21 67% 148yds 2 TDs 1 INT 99 Rating
Jeff Garcia: 17/33 51% 257yds 1 TD 1 INT 75 Rating
Now which QB was on the road and which one was at home?
Which QB was playing for a playoff berth?
Which QB had the better team?
Gimmie a break
May 20th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Im outta here,…..remember though,…Jeff Garcia 2009,…Tim Tebow 2010. Youre welcome.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Norco Bob Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Sounds like Cable wants Mike Vick.
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That’s a flat out lie.
I was watching the show too. He said Vick shouldn’t worry about football right now.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
SnB Defense ,
don`t forget garcia last three drives.
1.incomplete on 4th down
2.interception
3.sack,game over out of playoffs
May 20th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Did someone just put up head to head stats as evidence?? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just as some are so anti Russell that they cant think straight others(SnB) are so pro Russell that they dont think straight. I fall somewhere in the middle. Does he have talent? Yep. Do I believe he will be a Pro Bowl caliber QB? Nope. I see a guy who by all appearances is lazy and rests on his laurels. All you need to do is look at the guy to see his work ethic is severly lacking. That does not bode well for a QB. Please spare me with all his stats. He was babied last year so bad it got embarrasing. He is not a good QB, whether he ever is is obviously up to him.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Maybe I’m just in a bad mood but only this to say about the OTA’s? Means they looked horrible. I’m beginning to lose faith in the QB I wanted to draft (and for once got my wish). Someone has to take control of the huddle and it just doesnt look like JR has it in him. Maybe there’ll be a franchise QB availible when we pick at #3 next year…
May 20th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Cable did say he wanted Vick when he didnt say the Raiders dont have any interest,..alot of teams are flat out saying we wont have any interest in Vick,..Cable was very complimentary about Vick,..he will be a Raider, no doubt about it.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Dude,
The issue for me is that a QB with only 16 career starts is just getting started. Regardless of what some may say, Russell played well in several games last year and got better as the season progressed. I am also a believer that young QBs take time to develop. I also think that his 1st year was effectively a red shirt because he missed training camp. That was everything. Russell has to have a good season this year. Not a great season but a good one. He needs 3,000 yds passing, 18 to 20 TDS and about 10 INTs. 85+ QB Rating. But I will hold judgement until the end of this upcoming season. Not at a practice session in May with half the team missing.
I will let you in on a bias I do have. I don’t like veteran QBs from other teams as a solution to the QB. Teams don’t get rid of good QBs unless there is a Broncos like falling out or something. Spare me the Jim Plunkett reference. That was back in the day when scouting and such wasn’t as sophisticated. If you are starting an old veteran free agent…your team is probably not successfull and is employing a stop gap at best. But recently, Oakland didn’t use vets as stop gaps…they used them as a solution and the result has been an unmitigated disaster for 25 years!
Stick with Russell and keep working with him.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
I thought Cable was a kind of a buffoon before he was hired full time but over the last 4 or 5 months my opinion has changed. He is a complete 100% BUFFOON. OMG the guy couldnt be more of an ass kisser if he tried, which I believe he is doing by the way. He sounds like he is reading from a script written by Al Davis. He is totally embarrasing himself and he will lose this team by week 8. I predict his reign will approach Art ShellII.
May 20th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
He absolutely did NOT have a good season. His numbers are total BS. This is a serious question for you: Honestly, did you actually watch all the Raiders games last year?
May 20th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
The Raiders had a golden opportunity last february,..Gruden was available,..should have given him anything he wanted to return to Oakland,..but instead Al Davis hired a nobody O line coach,..unbelievable,…but Al couldnt push Gruden around so that was the end of that. Cable is a joke…however will take him over Kiffin, which was ludicrous.
May 20th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
I say anyone who goes to a Raiders game and sits in the north endzone and boos our starting qb. the whole game isn’t a real raider fan – he is a poser and he doesn’t need to be there at all. As a matter of fact if I paid to sit there and some idiot dressed in raiders gear booed the whole game I think I’d throw a beer at him.
May 20th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Listen junkie,
So you read between those fuzzy lines, and came up with Cable wanted Vick?
He said no such thing!
May 20th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
he must have OD’d or something.
May 20th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Cable probably does want Vick, cause he can GO DEEP!! LOL!!!
May 20th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
weeee tods
May 20th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
cleveland is on another level right now?
May 20th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
So Junkie
Saying the Raiders have no interest, is perceived by YOU that it’s a done deal? Sober up!”
LMAO
May 20th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Dude Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
He absolutely did NOT have a good season. His numbers are total BS. This is a serious question for you: Honestly, did you actually watch all the Raiders games last year?
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I didn’t say he had a good season. It was a developmental year for him. Many young QBs don’t have good seasons to start out. Its also not realistic to think a young QB is going to light up the earth in his first season either.
All I am saying is that making a value judgement after the 1st yr as a starter is not fair given his potential. I think the bust conversation that everyone wants to have is 1 year premature. If and that’s a big if…he bombs this year…then yes, have the discussion of going back to old washed up veterans like Josh McCown or Aaron Brooks. But not before…I also think the Raiders gave up on Andrew Walter to early for the same reasons. QB is the hardest position in sports. It takes time to get the speed of the game, terminology, offensive systems, chemistry with teammates etc….I think Raider fans in particular and sports observers generally are all wrong on Russell right now.
May 20th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
I’m not ready to give up on Russ yet either, if he stinks this year then maybe it is time to dump him, we haven’t even seen the 2009 Oakland Raiders in a game yet and all these posers and wannabe’s hang on every single article or report that comes out and are already ready to throw in the towel and say we suck.
May 20th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
To say nothing about the kid (22 years old) had to deal with the Kiffin Davis feud,3 diffrent play callers, 2 head coaches and no stability around him..Get off the kids back,give him some stability and watch him grow…your welcome
May 20th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Thankfully the Raiders gave up on Andrew Walter at the right time; he is awful. That pretty-boy will fail miserably in any tough late season cold east coast road game. Out of the league in a few years.
May 20th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
We are watching him grow all right. About 6 inches in the waist.
May 20th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I will also be willing to bet that the Colts have an off year,new HC,new OC,new line coach..even with Mannings experience he has to learn a new system..be it small changes but still they might struggle this year
May 20th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Vegas Raider,
We don’t know what Andrew Walter could do. He was playing in a system that wasn’t professional. He had a receiver that didn’t try, another receiver suspended, a playbook that didn’t incorporate checkdowns, plodding running backs, the worst offensive line in league history and a head coach that was 10 to 15 years behind the times.
It would have been a sound strategy to go with Walter and draft Calvin Johnson. But Kiffin didn’t like Walter at all and that was that.
Now with Russell, who I like, you have to give him time to develop. We knew that when they drafted him. He’s a junior that played in a street ball league (I believe the SEC and Big 12 are the worst places for a QB to develop) and he has to unlearn some of that. Same thing will happen to Stafford because the SEC is like the And 1 Mix-Tape tour. Russell was also a young Junior….he had no talent at receiver while here in Oakland and didn’t even get the chance to be in training camp his 1st year. Relegated him to an observer for his first year.
Teams that are successfull have great systems to develop players. Right now, the dysfunction that is Oakland is on full display and its set the entire team back…not just Russell
May 20th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Ask any veteran in the NFL, they will tell you that Sundays are won on Tuesdays and Wednesdays and in the off-season.
Jamarcus needs to take pride in his craft and live up to his immense talent. He ain’t going to do that gaining weight in the offseason, blowing off camps and throwing 6 yard passes at guys feet because he hasn’t caught his rhythm yet.
I do believe that he will continue to improve during the season like he did last year and build on the stellar end to last season. However, I was holding out hope for a HUGE leap, and that’s not off to the best start so far. We must consider it is only May though.
May 20th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
I believe Russell is held back by the talent around him. Interestingly enough, Russell could figure out a way to get the ball to Zach Miller. That’s because Miller has talent finds a way to get open and holds on to the ball.
Lelie was a track star bust of a receiver who is out of the league
Curry dropped so many passes and has no speed
Walker was at 60% (that’s what he admitted to)
Drew Carter didn’t make it out of preseason…
I think if Carter somehow made it…it would have been a different season for Russell. Those other guys he had to throw to were not real targets to work with.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
Vegas Raider,
I don’t think anyone outside of the Raider organization konws where Russell’s head is at. Cable made some comments in preseason and everyone is just running hard after that.
Russell is in the his make or break season for better or for worse. If he falters this year his career is over. If he steps it up he will be a star. Again, let’s see the results after this year.
But should Russell falter…I hope Al Davis fires every offensive coach on the staff because it is really up to them to develop this young talent on the roster.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
SnB,
I like the And1 reference, the SEC is tough for QB’s because of the freakish leap in speed it is from the HS level. The SEC does have “NFL” bodies all over the place, so there is a toughness that you gotta like from SEC guys, and Jamarcus does have a little of that in him. But your right, SEC playbooks are very “collegiate” if you will.
Now, you know I have supported Russell tirelessly in here. I just got his jersey. I defend him when I hear people clowning him and calling him a bust. But we should not just ignore what happened today. The Bay Area media is not out to get anyone, if Mark Sanchez in New York was over-throwing guys for picks and than underthrowing 5 yard passes at a non-contact, open camp to the media, it might lead off SportsCenter. They would kill him. Jamarcus was probably down-right awful today. I demand more from him and so should his teammates.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
I didn’t address the Walter comment so here we go. No pocket presence, scared of contact, horrible body language and no patience or mobility. I know he got killed that year and was dealt a horrible hand, but some guys will respond to the adversity and man-up and some will cower and act like a girl. That’s what he did, and you can’t have that from a QB. Sure if he goes to a “great” organization he might be OK but not great, but what QB in the league with 3rd round talent wouldn’t?
May 20th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Its practice. So let it be just that. Surely, its worrisome to read issues w/ accuracy etc but you really don’t know what is going on there. Old Paul could be teaching him new things w/ footwork/release and all, which could be causing some erratic ism. Seems plausible w/ a new QB coach.
But over the long term it may be very beneficial to Russell. Still, if you need comfort just go back to last season and throughout Russell college career. Overall, he is very accurate! …emphasis added
May 20th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Vegas Raider,
In my uninformed opinion, because I am not there, my guess is that the offensive scheme they are putting in is causing some issue with the QBs. The reports say all 3 QBs are struggling and that WRs are being hounded on routes and other stuff. I say this because Cable keeps talking about teaching and new offense and fundamentals. Plus he said they were dealing with situational football. What situations are they asking them to complete.
If Garcia, a veteran that I am not wild about, is equally as bad out there and Gratkowski was horrible, then I think there is more to it then just them being inaccurate. I am not saying this as an excuse because as I’ve said before…the only thing that matter is the regular season…
And you know what…if the coaches are building the offense from the ground up and there are struggles early on….fine…what people forget is that mistakes are what practice is for.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
I know it’s just practice, and believe me, I don’t think he is going to be throwing all his 6 yard passes at people’s feet. I simply feel he didn’t perform well today becuase he just isn’t ready. Some guys can have off-season rust and just got through the motions at an OTA, the QB can’t. It sets a poor example.
For instance, the reporters say he let out a S bomb after throwing another awful pass and screwing up the flow of a practice. It’s great to see some emotion (the media was even shocked) but he needs to be good enough in practice so he can yell those S bombs at OTHER guys who screw up, so they think they got to step it up for the big fella. That’s what it’s all about as an NFL Quarterback.
Off to dinner, Raider On folks!!!!! Just a little ticked, ain’t going to be booing guys at games like Norco.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Vegas Raider,
From a contrarian point of view…I think the offense struggling early on will only make it clear to all involved how much work they have to do.
They said the normally mild-mannered Russell was cursing himself after a bad pass. Maybe that’s the result of observing Garcia’s intensity. Other players have been heard doing the same. My guess is that after the OTAs and film study…the players, especially Russell, will realize EXACTLY how much work is left to be done.
Imagine if he was just performing at 150% right now. Well, if everyone is right about his work ethic…then how much harder would he work in training camp if the OTAs were flawless walks in the park.
I think this is good in a contrarian sort of way. The entire offense AND coaching staff know that with a new offense, new players and pressure to win…that they have to get better.
May 20th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
The way a lot of you guys talk about Russell it is like he was horrible last year. He wasn’t real good, but he wasn’t horrible, and he showed flashes of really coming around. The game at Denver he was real good, and the last three weeks of the season against The Pats, Houston, and Tampa Bay he looked solid. He was still the youngest QB in the league last year. I agree that this is a make or break year this year. I don’t think that he has to be great this year, but he does have to show continued improvement. It is still too early to declare him a bust, but a lack luster year and it will be looking like it.
May 20th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
C’mon guys J Russ is not that fat!
Sincerely
Ralphie May
May 20th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
That “contrarian” point of view is quite impressive spin.
May 20th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
it takes russel that long to get used to his new players? cutler is having an excellent camp and his accuracy with a new team and his new players is great. i guess garcia will be coming in sooner than i thought
May 20th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
LMN,
Bro, it was 420!!! That was one long, strong, and nice session!!! lol
Talk to you tomorrow bro, take care.
May 20th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
What’s up guys?
May 20th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
SnB as valiant as it has been yu are fighting a losing battle. The general nature of most people is react negatively to something. They expect the worst. The concept of a process is just not palitable for them, they want results so they can feel comfortable.
Unfortunately for them playing QB in the NFL is and will always be a process. It’s the most difficult position to play in sports and a young QB will always get the brunt of the fans ire as he has to learn the ropes. Russell being who he is nothing really that hasn’t been seen a hundred times. By experienced NFL personnel they know what he’s going through and they know what to expect and what they’re looking at. Fans DO NOT neither does the media.
The problem with our day is the amount of media coverage that zeros in on athletes. You said it right they react to every pass completed or otherwise. It’s pandemonium a constant feeding frenzy on info by every crackpot writer, blogger and media outlet available. Athletes, coaches and management simply cannot react to this stuff or they’ll go nuts. The program Cable and his coaches have installed has to be run to the letter, and the less they pay attention to what fans and media have to say the more successful they’ll be.
Trust me Cable is fully aware of that fact. Or he definitely wouldn’t have taken this job. Russell is obviously aware of that fact just based on his comments.
These guy’s are beyond ridiculous with the ‘Oh we is me’ response to every report, it’s absolute lunacy.
But far be it from me to suggest that everyone just relax let the process take it’s course there is nothing else that you can do unless you just want to pee your pants at every pix and report concerning the Raiders.
The games start in Sept. until then enjoy what you read and just be infomed and then you’ll see if what they were doing made sense or not.
Anything else is your own fault……….period
May 20th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
BHP,
Are we still talking about JR!?
I think these players will have a great season:
1- Z Miller: we added a few more REs, so wecan free Miller to have his PB season.
2- JR: he has all the weapons he needs. He can do great things, if the Oline plays Descent.
3- Chaz: he is having a great camp so far, and it should continue to the regular season. 4-
DMC: time to show off that doped, since he us healthy. He can catch too.
5-Bush: no need for words, we all know what this beast can do.
JLH: will be a great slot WR. will not have a lot of catches, but will have a lot of all purpose
May 20th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
All purpose yards, sorry.
Now, on Defense:
1- T Scott: he added 10 pounds, he is at 258 now. He led all rookies last year with 5 sacks.
2- T Branch: this kid can cover since he played CB at UConn, but he likes to hit too.
3- Mike Mitchell: I just like this kid!! lol
4- TH & Kirk: if the Dline plays well under Marshall, then these two might have a PB season.
5- Nnamdi: he is Nnamdi!!!
May 20th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Raider O, you just delineated the biggest reassons for my optimism with Russell and the entire offense.
The talent around him, it’s what makes any QB successful as Kenny stabler clearly stated on KNBR. It takes a team to make a great QB. Russell is putting in the work, it’s just early in the process. I really like what Garcia had to say and NO ONE focused on that because it wasn’t negative about Russell.
That running game will dictate to a great degree where we will be at seasons end. It wil also be Russell’s best friend.
May 20th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Players on the hot seat:
1- TK: last year was due to his knee injury, but this year he had no exuse.
2- M Huff: he was the 7th pick, and this year he has help from Marshall, and the hound Ss.
3- Walker: if it wasnt for him restructuring his deal, I would ask for his release.
4- OLine other than Gallery: they all need to step up their game.
May 20th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
“Anything else is your own fault……….period”
This is impossible because I’m sure I read on this blog that it is always the fault of Mr. Al Davis.
May 20th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
BHP,
Run!
Run!
Play Action!!
TD!!!
I can’t wait! lol
May 20th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Tyvon Branch said all you really need to know. We are going to focus on DISCIPLINE which is the word I repeated in here seems like a thousand times concerning stopping the run. Technigue and discipline will without ? I gaurantee you make a ton of difference in stopping the run.
May 20th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Good one BadMoodGuy..
May 20th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
BHP,
You know what I love about this team?!
They are all young, and they have a lot of talent. They need coaching, and I like and trust Cable to do it.
May 20th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Yeah Raider O, Kenny Stabler benefited hreatly from the running game. So did Plunkett. Gannon was the first QB we ever had that really lived and died by the pass under Callahan. I’ve never seen that in a Raider offense before that.
May 20th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
Amen on that one Raider O.. couldn’t agree more.
May 20th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Also Cable’s comment on Huff was surprising. I’m encouraged, we may be as deep in the secondary as I can ever remember.
Which adds creedence to your earlier post # 262
May 20th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
WOW, we just solved the whole Russell dilema and what’s going on in camp.
How ’bout we work on world peace?
May 20th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
BHP,
I hate to say it, but some will bash JR even if he goes to the PB. You know that.
May 20th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
I don’t care what they say, and I think we will be better than 7-9. I think 8-8 or 9-7 this year, and next year we can go 10-6 or better. I believe in this team, and all the young talent. IMHO
May 20th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
Later BHP, Good Night Nation.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:07 am
Unfortunately Raider O, you’re right which IMO is sad, he’ll never satisfy soome of them.
The records I usually don’t get into. But I’m very optimistic based on what I saw last year. The stability (hiring Cable) was HUGE.
Adios Raider O, sports fans.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:29 am
Raider O, how do you know people would bash Russell even if he went to the pro bowl? As if it’s happened…
May 21st, 2009 at 12:30 am
priest, we’re focusing on “discipline”? Sounds like Art Shell.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:40 am
priest, I wonder why Raider fans would react negatively to your hyperbole, and instead “expect the worst.”.
2003: “Super Bowl was spilled milk. Callahan got us to the Super Bowl and Gruden could never get us there. We’re going to kick ass!”….4-12
2004: “Dude, Norv Turner. He’s a proven winner in this league. He’s at home now. He’s from Concord! (like Concord’s East Oakland…)” ….5-11
2005: “Moss! Super Bowl! Easily!”… 4-12
2006: “Art Shell will bring the toughness back. Mark my words”. (words marked, to this day…)….2-14
2007: “Kiffin is everything Gruden was and then some” (turns out, he was, which is why Al ran him out)…4-12
2008: “In Cable I trust.” …. 5-11
2009: “In Cable I trust.”
So, yeh, priest, where could all of this pessimism be coming from?
May 21st, 2009 at 3:01 am
The Real MaddenRaider right on man I love my Raiders and always optimistic but man we have stunk!
May 21st, 2009 at 3:16 am
# Raider O Says:
May 20th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
BHP,
You know what I love about this team?!
They are all young, and they have a lot of talent. They need coaching, and I like and trust Cable to do it.
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I am remembering all this I trust cable bs because everyone will throw right under the al davis bus
May 21st, 2009 at 3:29 am
It sounds like Dmac is healthy need a huge year from him.
May 21st, 2009 at 5:34 am
Ken Stabler says Raiders must simplify matters for JaMarcus Russell
By CAM INMAN
Contra Costa Times
Ken Stabler has wonderful advice for the Oakland Raiders and quarterback JaMarcus Russell.
Considering how absolutely terrible they looked in Wednesday’s practice, they better listen up. Plus, Stabler only happens to be the franchise’s best quarterback ever.
“They have some exciting talent that needs to get on the same page, get focused and get back the Raiders’ toughness of running the football and playing stingy defense,” Stabler said in an exclusive interview this week. “They need to simplify things for (Russell) and run the ball. Darren McFadden needs to touch the ball 30 to 35 times a game.”
Amen to that. A simple, McFadden run down the left sideline served as a rare highlight Wednesday amidst Russell’s wild passes, young receivers’ incorrect alignments and the defense’s erratic efforts.
Stabler hasn’t kept in close contact with the Raiders the past few decades. He’s been watching them “out of the corner of my eye” from his native Alabama. But he plans to be a visible ambassador during the franchise’s 50-year anniversary, and that includes his stint as grand marshal of the Toyota/Save Mart 350 at Infineon Raceway on June 21.
Of particular interest to him is Russell, who played high school football in Stabler’s hometown of Mobile.
“He has all the tools,” Stabler said. “He’s big, strong, can move around and has a big arm. But from what I understand, the game doesn’t come easy to him.
“It came easy to me. I played in much simpler times. Once I learned the system and the great players around me, it was ‘go play’ and things came easy for me.
Things don’t come easy to JaMarcus.”
No, they don’t. But coach Tom Cable said Wednesday the Raiders’ revamped offense is indeed being simplified. Cable added that “a tremendous amount of new stuff” must be learned, including a heavier dose of down-the-field throws that cater to Russell’s bazooka arm.
“We try to make it more conducive to quicker learning,” Cable said.
Russell said the system is similar to the one he’s learned his first two years with the Raiders. “But it has different terminology,” added Russell, who seems excited about the adjustments made under Cable and new assistants Paul Hackett and Ted Tollner.
As for Russell and Stabler, they haven’t had much dialogue outside of an interview from when Russell played at Louisiana State and Stabler worked as a University of Alabama radio analyst (a job Stabler held for 10 years before stepping away last season).
“When I get a chance, I will,” Russell answered when asked if he’s sought Stabler for advice.
Rather than wait for that chance meeting, Russell should visit or call Stabler, who speaks as if he’s still in the huddle on the verge of a successful comeback.
As for Russell’s much-scrutinized work ethic, Stabler said: “I’m not around JaMarcus in that setting, but I shouldn’t have to be. As a quarterback, you take Peyton (Manning) and what’s said about him; he should be a model for every quarterback, to go outwork everyone on the field, in the film room and in game planning.
“I didn’t really work at the game. I didn’t have to,” Stabler added. “The game came easy to me. Once we learned the system, we could play, but you have to look at the people in the system. When there are four Hall of Famers on offense …”
Yes, unlike Stabler, Russell hasn’t had four Hall of Famers on his side of the ball, or even any Pro Bowlers.
“I’m the last one to tell somebody about work ethic,” Stabler said. “On the field, I worked hard and understood the system. … It was old school, simple football – just go play.”
Stabler, a three-time Hall of Fame finalist and overdue enshrinee, quarterbacked the Raiders to their first Super Bowl championship in the 1976 season.
“It’s not only about a team laced with a lot of ability, but an attitude of refusing to lose, that we’ll find a way,” Stabler said. “Playing for John, he gave us so much room for what we wanted to be on and off the field, and we didn’t take advantage of it. We worked hard for him because of that. The ‘76 season was great for everybody.”
The Raiders’ past six seasons have been as far from great as possible. But perhaps they, too, will find a way if they heed Stabler’s advice about a simpler role for Russell, more action from McFadden, a hard-nosed rushing attack, better offensive-line play and stingier defense.
Simply put, Stabler is saying to the Raiders: “Gentlemen, start your engines.”
May 21st, 2009 at 5:45 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
May 21st, 2009 at 5:51 am
Morn’ hwnrdr,
Rookies Darrius Heyward-Bey and Mike Mitchell cannot practice again until their colleges end school, per NFL rules.
May 21st, 2009 at 5:59 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S. HWNDR, RAIDER-TW POST-278 IS A GREAT POST / READ THANK’S MAN. JUST HOPE IT MAKE’S TO THE PEOPLE WHO NEED TO READ IT…
May 21st, 2009 at 6:00 am
Hey TW,
DHB and Mike Mitchell cannot practice again until their colleges end school? So…will that be in a couple weeks? Anyways…do you know why is that?
May 21st, 2009 at 6:06 am
That’s just the last line on Raiders beat:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/05/20/SP6T17O6NF.DTL
BRIEFLY: Cable would not say if the Raiders are shopping defensive end Derrick Burgess to the Patriots for a future draft pick, as was reported widely Tuesday. … Burgess is not attending voluntary workouts. Quarterback Andrew Walter and cornerbacks Nnamdi Asomugha and Chris Johnson are also absent. … Rookie receiver Louis Murphy caught the lone touchdown of the day. … Rookies Darrius Heyward-Bey and Mike Mitchell cannot practice again until their colleges end school, per NFL rules.
No explaination.
May 21st, 2009 at 6:07 am
No quarterback could do well with Kwame Harris at left tackle. What kind of stupid organization plays Kwame Harris over Henderson and Fargas over Bush?
The Raiders.
May 21st, 2009 at 6:09 am
Airbus A340 mystery solved: Oakland Raiders and Air Asia X set to announce Commitment to Excellence
With the photograph of the mystery Airbus A340 airliner with the Raider shield on the tailfin, I did some investigating and after a discussion with Raiders CEO Amy Trask can give a clear picture of the future of that plane.
The Oakland Raiders have come to agreement with Air Asia X, which is a low-budget long-haul airliner that primarily serves Asia. This is not, as rumored, indicative of Air Asia X opening service to the United States, as according to Trask that is not in their immediate plans. It is instead a chace for the Raiders to enhance their brand globally.
May 21st, 2009 at 6:10 am
Thanks TW, but still…it makes no sense to me. But, oh well…we are just fans, right?
May 21st, 2009 at 6:18 am
HELL OF A FAN BASE,ASIA-CHINA,GO GET ‘EM AL
May 21st, 2009 at 6:20 am
Morning NATION!!!
May 21st, 2009 at 6:30 am
Jon Alston has added 20 pounds to a lifetime-high 235 as he plays with the first-team defense on the strongside. He had an interception and blitz-sack Wednesday.
** Second-year defensive end Greyson Gunheim started at left end with Derrick Burgess absent (voluntary) and Jay Richardson sidelined by a minor knee strain.
Gunheim got up the middle for a coverage sack of Russell. Defensive tackle Ryan Boschetti also deflected a Russell pass.
** Defensive tackle Tommy Kelly continues to impress against the run, knocking down Justin Fargas at the line of scrimmage on the first team-drill play (FYI, Kelly, contact is against the rules here).
Say what you want about Michael Huff, but he usually did a pretty good job covering tight ends.
** Speaking of Huff, Cable shot down our latest attempt to suggest (via interview questions) he get a chance to play cornerback since safety hasn’t worked out.
“No, not yet,” Cable said. “I think we need, to again, let him continue to develop at that free safety spot, because as you’ve seen, he’s got a ton of range, made a couple of big plays yesterday coming from center field. I think it’s better off for us to leave where it’s at right now.”
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good news for the defense!
May 21st, 2009 at 6:35 am
For the locals, if you read Cam Inman’s article in the Oakland Tribune this morning yu’ll see why I have such contempt for the media and will always have contempt for them.
A couple of days ago Kenny Stabler did an interview on KNBR radio station. I listened with implicit interest because I knew that Russell was going to come up. I had called the station earlier that day concerning Russell.
Well Cam Inman as writers seem to always do took what Kenny said and twisted it to meet his own agenda. Misquoting him on two occasions. Kenny said and I remember the quote exactly (those interested can listen by logging onto KNBR.com on the Fitz and Brooks show) he said that the game came easy to him but he DIDN”T know if the game came easy to Russell because he doesn’t know him. Well Cam’s squote in his article say’s that Kenny said the game DOES NOT come easy to Russel twisting it. Kenny also said that the reason the game came easy to him was due to “simpler offenses and the talent around him”. He suggested that the Raiders simplify the offense to fit Russell and put the ball in DMC’s hands 25-30 times a game because he watched DMC play a lot and what he thought of him. He also mentioned that he rarely sees the Raiders live and isn’t close to them as he’d like to be. Both Russell and Kenny come from the same town.
My problem is Cam changed the meaning behind Kenny’s comment on Russell and for what? why not quote exactly? because he has his own agenda which is to make the reader think Kenny feels that Russell struggles with learning pro level offense. And that is exactly why I do not react to everything that I read.
Both the interview and the article can be consumed if your interested on this website and KNBR.com. And judge for yourself.
May 21st, 2009 at 6:35 am
So with all that being said…can we expect our defense to be a much better unit this year? But then again, Kelly knocked down Fargas…hmmm…I have seen him fall by himself! Nonetheless, it could be a good sign.
Thanks Rockstar!
May 21st, 2009 at 6:37 am
Hey Priest,
That is also why I do not like Cam! I g ot tired of reading his take on the Raiders. Monte Poole is another one. Now if it was about Rickey Henderson and the A’s…
May 21st, 2009 at 6:39 am
HAVE YET TO HERE ANYONE USE TOMMY KELLY AND SMART’S IN THE SAME SENTENCE. WAIT A MINUTE,I JUST DID..GUESS HE WAS SMART ENOUGH TO GET A CONTRACT THOUGH.OR AT THE RIGHT PLACE AT THE RIGHT TIME.
May 21st, 2009 at 6:43 am
Hwnrdr, it’s just not necessary because all it does is stir up something that’s not even there. What if Russell reads this and then comments on it in a negative way. Then the media will say, well look at Russell he can’t even take advice from a HOFer or some crap they dream up.
Writers are just unbelievable.
May 21st, 2009 at 6:44 am
…my head hurts…
May 21st, 2009 at 6:47 am
Has anyone else noticed how few actual articles Jerry Mac writes for his paper? Maybe I’m wrong, but his bylines are few and far between. Is this blog his sole responsibility? Why would Inman get assigned that piece when Jerry is the beat writer?
May 21st, 2009 at 6:49 am
Monte Poole’s, entire thing is similar to Koolkell it’s almost as if they are the same person. EVERYTHING is Al Davis’s fault. They’ll NEVER win until he’s dead.
May 21st, 2009 at 6:52 am
So with all that being said…can we expect our defense to be a much better unit this year?
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I think so. I’m a little skeptical about Branch & Mitchell’s coverage skills though. They are both getting beat pretty regular by 3rd and 4th string TE’s
reminds me of last year when DeAngelo Hall was getting torched in camp by guys like Drew Carter and Todd Watkins
May 21st, 2009 at 6:53 am
AS I HAVE SAID BEFORE ,WHEN TAKK SHOW HOST’S AND SPORT’S WRITER’S GET LAZY AND DO NOT WANT TO DO HOMEWORK, THEY OPEN THERE SHOW OR THROW OUT THE HEADLINE “RAIDER’S / AL DAVIS SUCK” IT IS A READY-MADE SHOW BECAUSE THE FAN’S, BOTH PRO-RAIDER AND OTHERWISE WILL RESPOND AND THEY KNOW IT.
May 21st, 2009 at 6:56 am
L M N , HIT YOUR KNEE CAP WITH A HAMMER,YOUR HEAD WILL BE THE LEAST OF WORRIES..
May 21st, 2009 at 6:57 am
It’s too early.
Last year a number of people wanted to cut JLH and Mario Henderson during training camp, the year before Fargas and Chris Johnson were the “targets”.
Let’s wait a while.
May 21st, 2009 at 7:02 am
you’re right Bob Marley..
2 years ago Chris Johnson had the coverage skills of Michael Waddell!
these young guys can develop and get better
May 21st, 2009 at 7:03 am
Good ? BSJ
but my point is take everything they say with a grain of salt and use your own judgement as much as possible.
Also go to Raiders.com and listen to Cable’s comments on the QB play and what they’re trying to accomplish, it really clears the air.
May 21st, 2009 at 7:06 am
Dirtlot..
LOL, well i think i skip that =)
May 21st, 2009 at 7:06 am
Does anyone know when the Russel pictures where taken?.
Like Dakota said, I don’t mind Russell getting wasted once in a while as long as he puts in the work during the week, the kid is 24 and he’s rich, he’s gonna have his fun…I know I would.
May 21st, 2009 at 7:07 am
—”Raiders DE Jay Richardson is sitting out voluntary practices with a knee injury. This has gotten Trevor Scott more reps at right end and potentially the starting position. Richardson looks the part at 6′6/280, but his production has not matched his potential. He has just four sacks in his first two seasons”—
May 21st, 2009 at 7:10 am
* uhm…it should have said…were taken?…
It’s early, coffe just starting to kick in..
May 21st, 2009 at 7:11 am
lol…coffee
May 21st, 2009 at 7:16 am
Bob, I think they were taken recently at a boxing match at the Oakland Arena. As you said the kid is 23-4 years old unfortunately he’s going to make some mistakes. We just hope he keeps them to a minimum.
Again his struggles IMO will be more off the field than on. As well as the dangers from friends and family. It’s the same old same old. These kids allow those closest to them to enfluence them the most and it’s mostly negative.
May 21st, 2009 at 7:18 am
Adios
May 21st, 2009 at 7:19 am
These kids allow those closest to them to enfluence them the most and it’s mostly negative.
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Yeah, buddy, hand me that box of donuts!!!
May 21st, 2009 at 7:23 am
…and piza
and pasta
and case of beer, make sure it’s “lite” beer.
and that whole chicken. Gimme a napkin, Bbbuurrrppp!!
May 21st, 2009 at 7:25 am
Are we sure Russell isn’t goning to lunch with Jano?
May 21st, 2009 at 7:31 am
Hey LMN you still here???
May 21st, 2009 at 7:34 am
4eva…
physically yeah, mentally no =)
May 21st, 2009 at 7:35 am
Hey lunch with Jano is fine…as long as he stays away from the bars and bar fights that Jano frequents!
Just kidding guys…Russell needs to know that he is the face of the franchise and must learn to act appropriately. Any negativity on him will also be on the franchise. Hopefully, he will keep mistakes to a minimum bot on and off the field and keep those off field mistakes as far away from the law as possible!
May 21st, 2009 at 7:38 am
So if we sign Michael Vick do we transition him from QB to WR or do we play him at QB and transition Russell to RT?
May 21st, 2009 at 7:39 am
LMN the 408 wants you 2 get in touch with him at:
the408RAIDER@yahoo.com
the 408 also says hello 2 everyone=)
May 21st, 2009 at 7:40 am
Dakota…
Russell LT, Garcia QB and Vick RB…
imagine the trickplays =) LOL
May 21st, 2009 at 7:44 am
Russell does have great feet according to Tom Cable, so maybe LT would be better LMN!!!
May 21st, 2009 at 7:44 am
good morning Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, LMN, 4eva …
the AM crew rawks!
May 21st, 2009 at 7:45 am
good morning Dakota, Marley, TW, BSJ …
May 21st, 2009 at 7:47 am
Vick arrives in Hampton, VA
Walt Harris tore his ACL
the Bears love Jay Cutler
wow. exciting day in the NFL, eh?
May 21st, 2009 at 7:48 am
Top o’ the mornin’ to ya Rockstar.
(Sorry, I had Lucky Charms for breakfast)
May 21st, 2009 at 7:52 am
This silly rabbit had Trix…
May 21st, 2009 at 7:54 am
current Rockies first baseman and former Tennessee backup quarterback Todd Helton (yeah, we had to look up who Todd Helton is) had this to say today regarding Kiffin, during an appearance on The Dan Patrick Show: “I believe you should go in and do your job before talking.”
Patrick asked, “Do you think Lane Kiffin understands SEC football?”
Said Helton: “He’s about to.”
-PFT
May 21st, 2009 at 7:55 am
it’s all about the bran flakes boys.
Mmmmmm. fiber
May 21st, 2009 at 7:59 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 7:55 am
it’s all about the bran flakes boys.
Mmmmmm. fiber
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*fart*
May 21st, 2009 at 7:59 am
Dre Bly to visit the 49ers
Rams, Bears, Lions and Browns all want CB Rod Hood …
Cards DE Kenny Iwebema got a benign tumor the size of a baseball removed from his chest!
Rams not interested in Vick.
May 21st, 2009 at 8:00 am
good afternoon RRS….
May 21st, 2009 at 8:00 am
Haha…last thing I had was a beer! Ok, wait…yeah, a beer…
Anyways…funny stuff about Kiff. Helton is right, he is about to learn about the SEC!
May 21st, 2009 at 8:02 am
Great ending to the NBA game last night.
May 21st, 2009 at 8:10 am
LMN,
bran flakes are awesome for your digestive system
out with the bad, in with the good
gotta have it every work day. oatmeal on sundays
May 21st, 2009 at 8:14 am
today is the 3rd of 12 OTA sessions.
expect to hear progress from the QB’s by the 11th OTA the media will be invited to …
May 21st, 2009 at 8:14 am
Apples and bananas with peanut butter my friends. Fruit and protein, good brain food.
May 21st, 2009 at 8:20 am
Q: What does DE Trevor Scott have to do to be an every-down lineman?
Coach Cable: Just keep getting better. I think he’s a guy that has jumped out at us and really made his presence felt from the first mini-camp practice through today, he’s continuously played both the run and the pass well.
Q: Has he gotten bigger?
Coach Cable: Yeah, he’s at the right size now in terms of where he needs to be weigh-wise. His strength is good. I think he’s right where he needs to be. Now it’s just learning to play the game every down.
Q: Can he play at that size with enough leverage and strength to defend the run?
Coach Cable: I think so. We may not put him in one place all the time but certainly yeah, he has proven that.
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I think Trevor Scott is gonna start 16 games and have double digit sacks this season. I expect big things from this kid. Also wouldn’t be surprised to see Greyson Gunheim unseat Jay Richardson for a starting job on the other side
May 21st, 2009 at 8:22 am
Last night LeBron showed he was not yet the crunch time MAN that Kobe is….
In a related story, did you guys read that if the Cavs win it all, Cleveland’s NFL franchise will be renamed the LeBrowns?
May 21st, 2009 at 8:28 am
Anybody know when that movie ‘Defiance’ starring Daniel Craig comes out ???
May 21st, 2009 at 8:29 am
What Jano really needs to stay away from is Thirsty Thursdays at the Castro Valley Bowl. Even millionaires can appreciate $1 beers.
May 21st, 2009 at 8:30 am
It came out over the hollidays. It’s probably already on DVD.
May 21st, 2009 at 8:30 am
I am hoping Al Davis does the right thing and signs Vick, and hopefully Goodell will not suspend him for the 2009 season,…there is no doubt that Mike Vick is better right now then Russell will ever be,…with Vick at qb, with our running game,..possibly unstoppable. Youre welcome.
May 21st, 2009 at 8:31 am
It came out over the hollidays. It’s probably already on DVD.
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I knew it was in theatres a long time ago. I was wondering when it came out on DVD …
my works blocks the website for Hollywood Video, etc
May 21st, 2009 at 8:33 am
Norco Bob,
Mike Vick hasn’t thrown a football in 2 years …
I wouldn’t be surprised to see him beat out Andrew Walter, Bruce Gradkowski or Danny Southwick.
Russell or Garcia? not likely. not until he shakes the rust off and learns the offense anyways, which would take at least 1 year
May 21st, 2009 at 8:34 am
It appears most of the AM crowd enjoys this blog at the workplace…does that make us PROFESSIONAL Raider fans?
May 21st, 2009 at 8:37 am
LOL. i guess so BSJ
we’re clearly more educated, except Norco Bob (no offense)
May 21st, 2009 at 8:37 am
Defiance was a great movie. Don’t like Daniel Craig much, but it was a thinker, saw it in the theatres and would like to see it again to tie up the loose ends.
May 21st, 2009 at 8:38 am
RRS,
Mike Vick couldn’t carry Danny Southwick’s jock.
GO OCCIDENTAL!!!
If you guys ever run into someone wearing an OG black Southwick jersey, you will know you have just met BSJ!!!
May 21st, 2009 at 8:38 am
Rockstar,
June 2, 2009 release date.
May 21st, 2009 at 8:40 am
LOL @ BSJ
yeah. and you’ll see me wearing a Terdell Sands jersey too!
May 21st, 2009 at 8:40 am
Netflix has ‘Defiance’…One thing Cable said on Chronicle Live yesterday that was less than encouraging. To paraphrase, he said that they were throwing allot of blitz packages at the O-line because he thought that was a weakness last season. So, all of these blitzes may just be for the benefit of the offense, and not a new wrinkle in the D-scheme. I hope that’s not the case, because we may have players who can bring the heat.
May 21st, 2009 at 8:41 am
Thanks Dakota!
May 21st, 2009 at 8:41 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 8:37 am
LOL. i guess so BSJ
we’re clearly more educated, except Norco Bob (no offense)
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You’ve got your professional Raider fans and then you’ve got your probational Raider fans….
May 21st, 2009 at 8:41 am
wannaberocker,..so he hasnt tossed a ball in 2 years…bfd,..still better then Russell will ever be,…only need him to throw 15 times a game,…Russell sucks and so does everyone that wants him to start.
May 21st, 2009 at 8:42 am
Heard a good point on the future of Mike Vick as an NFL QB. In Atlanta he had a whole offensive system catered around him, and he still had a below 55% comp pct and under 75 rating. If coaches didn’t excel with him, they were canned and released (I think he had 3 coaches and 4 OC’s). He will not get that type of lee-way ever again, and it will be like fitting a square peg in a round whole.
Now can he be a “Wildcat” guy and rove around for 5-10 plays, absolutely. 16 game starter as a QB, never again.
May 21st, 2009 at 8:43 am
ottocrat: if guys like gunheim, brown and alston are getting to the qb with ease we should keep practicing!
Mario Henderson is drawing rave reviews so far though. huge difference from what we heard about him this time last year
May 21st, 2009 at 8:45 am
you’ve got your probational Raider fans….
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as 408 would say “free dirty!”
May 21st, 2009 at 8:47 am
ottocrat Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 8:40 am
Netflix has ‘Defiance’…
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Netflix has it listed, but it then says Releases on June 2, 2009.
May 21st, 2009 at 8:48 am
Jeff Garcia 2009….Tim Tebow 2010….youre welcome.
May 21st, 2009 at 8:50 am
Now can he be a “Wildcat” guy and rove around for 5-10 plays, absolutely. 16 game starter as a QB, never again.
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Agreed. Mark Schlereth said there are not 32 starting QB’s in the NFL right now better than Mike Vick.
Herm Edwards said that he’d take Vick over Favre right now if he were the Vikings.
Herm said that it’s not about the money anymore for Vick. you’ve got to give your kids 2 things and neither one is money. your last name (reputation) and wisdom. he’s got 2 kids and he needs to make it right.
Mark said Goodell OWES it to Vick to reinstate him right away so that he can pay off his creditors. He owes a lot of money to a lot of people after going bankrupt
Trent Dilfer said he should sit behind a real QB and relearn football for 4 years. LOL. then maybe a team would take a shot at him being the starting QB
May 21st, 2009 at 8:51 am
Jeff Garcia 2009….Tim Tebow 2010….youre welcome.
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Russell 7 or 8 wins in 2009
playoffs in 2010. you’re welcome
May 21st, 2009 at 8:52 am
Norco Bob
Last week you had the final question to jerry in live chat.
Classic! thanks for the laughs
May 21st, 2009 at 8:54 am
Vegas,
I think that about sums it up on Vick. He sucks as a solid NFL QB. Did you see First Take the other day? They had the “Two Live Stews” or whatever they are called and they tried to make it into a race thing.
Paraphrasing, they said if the same thing had happened to Tom Brady would people be saying he had to come back and play WR?
Can you believe that? Tom Brady and Michael Vick are so at the opposite extremes it was laughable. Brady can actually complete passes. Vick can’t. End of story. It’s not a black and white thing. If Vick was a successful NFL QB in the first place no one would be talking about him playing another position. It’s about talent and Vick is lucky to maybe have the talent to play somewhere else on the football field because he has been a failure at being a solid NFL QB.
May 21st, 2009 at 8:55 am
I am getting tired of hearing about this “wildcat”. It doesn’t work all that well. Now teams drafting players to run the wildcat…for what 5 plays a game tops….I think the wildcat can only work with a running back because of the element of surprise in throwing the ball.
But if you put Vick or Pat White back there…then you’ll play him like any other mobile quarterback.
Stupid
May 21st, 2009 at 9:00 am
Vick’s completion percentage would be 25% if he didn’t have Alge Crumpler in the ATL, lol.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:00 am
666,..stay tuned, I have something for him again today.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:00 am
The reason why mobile quarterbacks struggle in the NFL is because they play in stupid college programs like the SEC and Big 12.
I’ve said this 1000x….The SEC and Big 12 IS NOT REAL FOOTBALL which is why Crabtree and Maclin were passed over and why Russell has to unlearn all the football he played at LSU.
That Graham Harrell kid wasn’t even drafted….Tell me the last decent QB from the state of Florida (Miami, Florida State or Florida)…..Stafford will struggle like Russell has because again….the SEC is street ball….the AND 1 TOURNAMENT….the Wildcat is just more SEC nonsense.
The Big East, MAC, PAC 10 and non-BCS have the best talent at the QB position…and save me the references to Peyton/Eli Manning or Jay Cutler.
Everyone knows that if 2 brothers excel like the Mannings…its probably not the school but their NFL QB father, and good genetics…and Vanderbilt is not a real SEC school.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:02 am
Wine/pills in 2008
Southern Comfort/pills in 2009
Betty Ford clinic in 2010
May 21st, 2009 at 9:03 am
S&B defense:
the wildcat got the Dolphins to the playoffs. it took a ton of pressure off of Chad Peepeetongue and he had an excellent season (even stayed healthy!)
when you hand the ball of to a talented RB like Ronnie Brown or Darren McFadden, thats goign to suck the defense in to try and stop him. Then you throw it out to a Michael Bush, Zach Miller, Higgins or DHB and you’ve got the potential for a big gain.
problem is the wildcat we tried last season didn’t work because we weren’t risky enough with it. how many of those plays were just mcfadden or fargas runs up the middle for a short gain or loss? 9 out of 10 i’d say … plus Bush & Higgins weren’t very involved until injuries forced them in the lineup
May 21st, 2009 at 9:03 am
That’s why Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford and Tim Tebow stayed in college.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:05 am
There is zero doubt that Garcia will emerge from Napa as starter…as I have said, if all qb`s on roster were making same money,..it would be Garcia starter,..Gradkowski 2nd string,..whoevers left at 3rd string,..Russell cut…period,…but Russell is in the the middle of a contract that allows him to steal 62 million dollars, so he cannot be cut as of today,..manageable after the 2009 year though,..so he will be here this year, with headphones on on sidelines,..probably not listening to OC,..but rather some local rap.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:05 am
Rockstar,
The wildcat is a gimmick offense. It worked in Miami by Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams are good running backs. That’s why it worked.
I wouldn’t wasted much time with it. I think its a fad…just like SEC football…take the ball…drop back and throw it….or hand it off and run it.
That wildcat will go nowhere next year
May 21st, 2009 at 9:06 am
Bo I didnt need any of those things til the beginning of 2003,..and I clearly still need them,..would like to see you attend every game like I do without them.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:07 am
norco…
if you judge players based on 16 starts Nnamdi Asomugha would be a bust too
what is he now? a pro bowl starter and the best cover corner in the league
please shut your pie hole
May 21st, 2009 at 9:07 am
Lol @ Norco. That would be difficult to watch without a little “help”.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:08 am
Im out,..off to Tahoe for the day. I will leave you with this,..Jamarcus Russell sucks.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:09 am
Norco Bob,
Maybe if the Raiders signed Kurt Warner, he was a free agent, then I could see Russell getting benched.
But not for Jeff Garcia. He’s a below average QB that has one playoff run to show for his last 12 years in the league. If he was any good…Minnesota would have given him the keys to city.
Garcia is a terrible QB. I would rather watch DMAC direct snap it every play than see Garcia take one snap from scrimmage. Now Garcia 12 years ago….maybe
May 21st, 2009 at 9:10 am
The wildcat is a gimmick offense. It worked in Miami by Ronnie Brown and Ricky Williams are good running backs. That’s why it worked.
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DMC & Bush are good running backs too. DMC made that gimmick offense famous in Arkansas, remember? only difference is they called it the wild hog instead and he was paired up with Felix Jones
May 21st, 2009 at 9:10 am
Jeff Garcia = Josh McCown…a fiery short-armed QB that will underthrow receivers, take uneccessary sacks but will say the right thing in press conference and show emotion when he screws up
May 21st, 2009 at 9:12 am
Rockstar,
But the “Wild Hog” was SEC ball. The SEC is the worst football I’ve ever seen on television. Its predicated on getting bigger and faster players than the opposition and then just beating them with speed and size. No Xs and Os in college. That’s why so many SEC/Big 12 players struggle mightily in the pros
May 21st, 2009 at 9:12 am
Come on, Russell isn’t getting benched this season. No way. Al won’t allow it…that would be admitting Kiffin was right!
Besides, Russell has to be given at least this year to prove himself…maybe even next year too.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:14 am
Bob Marley Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 6:57 am
“It’s too early.
Last year a number of people wanted to cut JLH and Mario Henderson during training camp, the year before Fargas and Chris Johnson were the “targets”.
Let’s wait a while.”
Amen to that. I can always count on Bob to be the voice of reason.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:17 am
Dakota,
Russell has to show progress this year. If by the end of this year he hasn’t improved to a “serviceable QB” then it will be time to go back to the Josh McCown/Jeff George strategy.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:19 am
But if Russell were to fail…which I don’t think he will…it really will be an indictment on the Raiders. They really have not done the things necessary to develop a young QB. Coaching changes, bungled contract negotiations, multiple offensive systems, lousy O-Lineman…
Yes Russell has to personally step up his game….but the Raiders haven’t exactly raised up Russell like the Colts did with Manning
May 21st, 2009 at 9:21 am
I don’t see how any performance by Russell could be worse than a “Josh McCown/Jeff George Strategy” just let him play, anybody can hand the ball off to McFadden and Bush for the next few years, might as well be our multi-million dollar investment.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:22 am
Dakota,
Yeah shocking that First Take had two knuckleheads who didn’t what they were taking about. I just don’t see Vick being able to provide much at any other position, it’s not like he would embrace a WR role and be blocking on run plays.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:23 am
SnB,
Read your “contrarian” comment from last night, and while the spin was impressive, there was some logic behind that and could prove true.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:24 am
Norco Boob is the guy I count on for ridiculous assumptions and boligerant ramblings. His “I go to every game” BS is so weak. Going to every game DOES NOT equate to a higher level of intelligence or does it make you the beneficiary of inside information. He makes this very clear with every post. Do you guys remember before he called “Norco Boob” he went by the name “Alameda Ins!der”. LMAO!
Norco Boob’s new name: Captain Delusional. Or maybe Reggie Rehab, he sure as hell needs to get off the drugs. It is clearly deteriorating his normal, everyday functions, as well as stopping him from having any kind of cohesive thought process.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:26 am
Has Vick ever played WR at any level? You can’t even assume that he will be a below-average WR at the NFL level; he has never had to run routes, catch the ball or block. Whoever takes Vick would use him as a Wildcat QB and that is all, like a run-first team with a noodle-armed starting QB.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:27 am
Oh yes, the Raiders have certainly put Russell behind the 8-ball with all the chaos and BS, but he also has to take some personal responsibility and step up his game this year. No excuses this time. The coach is in place. The world’s fastest WR is in place. He had a QB camp just for him. The o-line must be great because we passed on great tackles and centers!
Sink or swim Russell…I have faith that he will swim (really, who couldn’t swim with all that blubber?)
May 21st, 2009 at 9:29 am
He’s a below average QB. Garcia is a terrible QB. I would rather watch DMAC direct snap it every play than see Garcia take one snap from scrimmage. Jeff Garcia = Josh McCown
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come on S&B. you can’t be serious. this guy is quite possibly the BEST back up QB in the league. He’s had success for San Fran, Philly and Tampa Bay. yes he struggled for the Browns and Lions. What QB for those 2 teams hasn’t? he’s not terrible. he’s not below average. he’s not josh mccown
should Russell start? yes. is garcia past his prime? yes. garcia has a lisp, he’s short and he has happy feet. gotta give credit where credit is due though too. This guy makes plays. He’s a winner. He’s a hard worker and a professional. If Russell spends 10 years in the league, 9 of them being a starter many of us will be happy with that. especially if he can take us to the playoffs or make the pro bowl. Russell is the man in Oakland, but thats no reason to hate on Garcia.
and if you want to compare these 2 players, compare all of last season. not 1 lowsy game. the Bucs beat Atlanta, Carolina, New Orleans and Green Bay last year. Does that make Jeff Garcia a better QB than Matt Ryan, Jake Delhomme, Drew Brees or Aaron Rodgers? it’s a team sport man. think about it …
May 21st, 2009 at 9:32 am
be back later …
May 21st, 2009 at 9:37 am
Garcia is a little b*tch. That radio interview in LA proved it. The hell with “being competetive”. How about being a team player? I don’t care if the guy competes his ass off, saying stuff like that to the media is NOT what a professional does, especially one that’s been brought in here specifically (according to the head coach of this team) to back up and to mentor Russell.
Cut him now. He can’t make the throws anyway, and if JaMarcus struggle early he’ll be the first one lining up for an interview. We don’t need that.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:38 am
Edward,
If Russell can’t handle a little competition then maybe we should cut him and not Garcia.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:39 am
Dakota
“Come on, Russell isn’t getting benched this season. No way. Al won’t allow it…that would be admitting Kiffin was right!”
Ding Ding!! Good answer!!
May 21st, 2009 at 9:42 am
It’s not the competition I’m worried about Dakota. Competition is great. Mouthing off to the media about it is not something a professional does, especially one that’s had his role identified for him before he even signed a contract.
Compete, fine. Just keep the other stuff in-house. The media is not going to name you the starting quarterback.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:43 am
I am sure that Russell feels the heat from the media, the fans, the coaches and most importantly us bloggers.
If he can do it this year with all this on the line then it may be time to talk about bust but he deserves at least another 16 games before we all nail him to the cross.
This is the year he has to come of age and I am sure he is aware of it.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:46 am
Peyton Manning, hardest working QB in the game = 1 ring
Snake, hardest partying QB in the game = 1 ring
Favre, set every passing record there is, = 1 ring
Jim MacMahon, a parody of himself, = 1 ring
Journeyman QBs with no discernible greatness – Doug Williams, Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer, Jeff Hostetler – each = 1 ring
Rich Gannon, obsessive worker, = 0 rings
Dan Marino, previous owner of most passing records, = 0 rings
Dan Fouts and Warren Moon, two of the greatest passers to ever play the game, = 0 rings
Ben Roethlisberger, slow, inconsistent but gutsy, = 2 rings
Jim Plunkett, slow, lousy stats but gutsy as well, = 2 rings
Anyone see a consistent tone here? I don’t. QB play is but an element to the ring. A team game? Yes, that is the pattern.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:50 am
M Lonetree
Joe Gibbs won three Super Bowls with three different QB’s as to already dispel that myth that you need a Montana, Elway, Unitas to win the big one.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:53 am
Tom Brady, one of the most demanding QB’s in the league and tireless worker and studier = 3 rings and counting.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:54 am
TripleSix,
I suppose my point is I find it unfair to dump all success or failure on The Franchise QB.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:55 am
Eli without David Tyree = 0 rings
May 21st, 2009 at 9:56 am
RaiderRockstar,
After bearing witness to Schroeder, Beurlein, Evans, Wade Wilson, George, Mirer, Collins, Brooks, McCown, Culpepper….and Hostetler and Gannon were only good for a couple of years….I’ve about had it with veteran QBs as the answer…even partially…
I would rather go 4-12 with a young guy…than waste a season at 7-9 with some vet that will be retired in a year or two and then be forced to start over.
That’s my point on Garcia…regardless of the Russell question…these washed up vets can’t get it done anymore. Teams don’t get rid of good QBs. Occassionally you get a Kurt Warner..but most times you end up with a Damon Huard or Jon Kitna
May 21st, 2009 at 9:57 am
Vegas,
I dis-recognize the Belicheats in all regards.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:58 am
Any team that won with a journey-man QB had a superior Defense. We are near last in the league at stopping the run year-in and year-out. Jamarcus has to be great, not good, for us to win and go to the playoffs.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:58 am
post 401, my sentiments exactly.
May 21st, 2009 at 9:59 am
M,
How about 3 with an asterisk.
May 21st, 2009 at 10:06 am
I place the over/under on what percentage of questions revolve around Russell’s weight and issues yesterday at 65%.
May 21st, 2009 at 10:06 am
questions for the live-chat that is.
May 21st, 2009 at 10:07 am
Vegas,
asterisk,and an inset photo of Walt Coleman
May 21st, 2009 at 10:09 am
If I saw Walt Coleman on the strip, I would be tempted to punch that chubby-faced jerk-off right in the mouth.
May 21st, 2009 at 10:14 am
vegas raider Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 9:58 am
Any team that won with a journey-man QB had a superior Defense. We are near last in the league at stopping the run year-in and year-out. Jamarcus has to be great, not good, for us to win and go to the playoffs.
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That’s because those teams were so complete in so many ways and had a limited window to take advantage of the talent on the roster…read the current Vikings….and had to try to strike while the iron was hot.
The Raiders are not nearly complete of a team…Its a youngish team. A team that needs the QB to mature along with them so that they can make multiple playoff/S.B appearances over a 10 year span. That’s the secret.
The Colts won a S.B…but that was the result of several playoff runs…the Pats have made several playoff/SB runs…Steelers same thing. Even the Eagles, although they haven’t closed the deal, have been to FIVE NFC Championship games in the last 8 or 9 years.
You look at teams like the Bears, Ravens, Bucs and soon to be Cardinals…those teams are one and done. They couldn’t make several appearances…It was one shot and done because ultimately their quarterbacks couldn’t keep up or retired.
Playing Garcia would be a waste of time outside of an injury. He’s 40 and done in a year and even if he’s hot his physical decline will be precipitous and he will be out of the league. Personally, they would have been well-off going after a Rex Grossman or J.P Losman as a backup…that way, if those players were pressed into action and performed well…they would still have 8 to 10 years of good football left….
May 21st, 2009 at 10:19 am
Playing Garcia would be a waste of time outside of an injury. He’s 40 and done in a year and even if he’s hot his physical decline will be precipitous and he will be out of the league. Personally, they would have been well-off going after a Rex Grossman or J.P Losman as a backup…that way, if those players were pressed into action and performed well…they would still have 8 to 10 years of good football left….
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complete waste of time, russell’s only in his “second season as a starter” , i agree with the notion of a great qb not only taking u to a ring but making u a competitive franchise for years to come
May 21st, 2009 at 10:20 am
SnB,
I don’t want Garcia one bit. The point we agree on is that we are not a complete team, or at least not yet. Russell is going to have to play like he did the last few weeks if we are going to be competitive week in and week out, because the D may improve, but will still be below average.
The teams that make perennial playoff runs of late: Colts, Pats, Ravens, Steelers and Eagles, either have a great QB or a great D (or both). Jamarcus is going to have play great for us to go 9-7, unless we both are missing something about the defense.
May 21st, 2009 at 10:26 am
SnB Defense : I understand your point in post #401, but just because Garcia is a back up who thinks he’s talented enough to be a starter doesn’t mean he’s a below average QB, a terrible QB, Josh McCown or DMC would be better off taking snaps from the QB position!
I bet you even Danny Southwick thinks he’s talented enough to be a starter in the NFL. If he was #2 on the depth chart and the media cared to interview him, he would happily tell them as much. it’s called confidence, not controversy. Garcia has had success in the NFL. Should he hang his head and tell the media that he’s a no talent scrub that’s lucky to latch on to an NFL team close to home? you guys are reading WAY too much into this. I’m just glad to have a back up plan in case Russell gets injured or does a face plant
you guys would rather have Tui back?
May 21st, 2009 at 10:29 am
I know I would have rather had Garcia than Walter in the Panthers game last year. We would have probably won.
May 21st, 2009 at 10:32 am
for a laugh the other day I was wondering how the NFL stats of Marinovich and Leinart compare. can they be much different?
May 21st, 2009 at 10:32 am
Personally, they would have been well-off going after a Rex Grossman or J.P Losman as a backup…that way, if those players were pressed into action and performed well…they would still have 8 to 10 years of good football left….
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these guys are labeled 1st rounds busts. The last thing you want around your 1st round pick franchise QB is a guy who was a 1st round pick franchise QB himself that turned out to be a bust. These guys might have bigger arms than Garcia, but not near the experience or football IQ
May 21st, 2009 at 10:33 am
vegas raider Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:29 am
I know I would have rather had Garcia than Walter in the Panthers game last year. We would have probably won.
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1 more win and we would have drafted Bey at 10, LOL
May 21st, 2009 at 10:35 am
RaiderRockstar,
The general argument being proposed is that Garcia could beat out Russell and, as a result, help Oakland win games this year.
I just don’t believe he’s good enough to carry a team a full season. He’s a backup QB and has been for a long time. My point is that if this guy couldn’t win in Tampa, Detroit, Cleveland…and San Fran was quick to dispatch him…its a reach to suggest he’s going to do anything in Oakland more than 6-10 / 7-9.
I think he’s no better than Josh McCown. I am being serious when I say that…Josh is a backup QB. Now of course Garcia should feel confident in his own abilities. But people thinking he’s another Kurt Warner type are overrating his past performance.
Decent backup? Maybe…but so was Daunte Culpepper coming in. So was Aaron Brooks and KFC coming in. There was hype and hope because they were new. But looking at the record says something else to me…I guess I just have a big discount on vet QBs that didn’t have other teams competing for their services that end up in Oakland.
Ultimately, the Raiders best chance to win is with Russell…not only this year but for the long-term.
May 21st, 2009 at 10:36 am
M Lonetree Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:32 am
for a laugh the other day I was wondering how the NFL stats of Marinovich and Leinart compare. can they be much different?
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Police blotter differs. Leinart can’t get busted for nude surfing in Az during the season.
May 21st, 2009 at 10:36 am
I tell Donkey fans here that the Raiders have a backup QB that’s better than their starter. One replied ” At least it’s not Rex Grossman!”
lol
May 21st, 2009 at 10:38 am
Leinart can’t get busted for nude surfing in Az during the season.
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But he can still burn his d!ck off!!!!
May 21st, 2009 at 10:40 am
RaiderTW,
The mod will surely catch up to that one. LMFAO
May 21st, 2009 at 10:42 am
Jeff Garcia couldn’t beat the 4 -11 Raiders at home to get into the playoffs last year.
May 21st, 2009 at 10:44 am
S&B: Garcia did have success in San Fran, Philly and Tampa. who has McCown had success with? Has JM led his team to the playoffs? how many pro bowls has he been to? this is a terrible comparison. I think highly of you as a poster, but this time you’re just flat out wrong. I think it’s because idiots like norco bob and MR come in here and try to ruffle feathers by saying Garcia is our only shot at winning games this year.
Gannon was injured when he retired. Collins became a starter in TN. Culpepper became a starter in Detroit. McCown is 3rd string in Carolina. Tui was 3rd string for the Jets. Aaron Brooks is out of the league. NO – oakland hasn’t had the best of luck winning with vet QB’s besides Gannon, but don’t throw Garcia in the same pile as other cast offs when #1 he’s a back up and #2 he’s had more success than those other clowns
May 21st, 2009 at 10:44 am
RaiderTW,
here’s hoping that the Donk’s “At Least it’s Not Grossman” Orton lofts some ill thrown pass to Knowshon or a wideout that the human missile MM can decipher and…explosion!
May 21st, 2009 at 10:48 am
Why don’t sports writers recommend Vick to Denver?
May 21st, 2009 at 10:49 am
JaMarcus & Raiders threw Tampa Bay & Garcia out of the playoffs last year.
Now the loser supposed to come here and throw out the winner?????, Really?
May 21st, 2009 at 10:50 am
I think the Steelers are at the white house right now. In a couple years when we win the bowl, what do you think Russell will sport. White mink? Jeans and a white tee with a million in ice?
May 21st, 2009 at 10:50 am
Enough with all of the Vick/Raiders talk. I know it’s a hot subject, but that’s kinda playing into the media’s hands. A bunch of columnists think it’s a given that Vick will end up with the Raiders, because that’s what the Raiders do. Well, they aint doin’ it this year. No Plaxico, no Pac-man, No Tank, and there isn’t going to be a Vick either. The one thing that leads me to believe that Cable might have some autonomy is the fact that he is trying to get quality people in here. And Vick doesn’t fit the bill.
May 21st, 2009 at 10:51 am
Tampa didn’t cut Jeff Garcia. his contract was up. He signed a 2 year deal.
Wanna know why they didn’t resign him? they are rebuilding. you don’t rebuild with a 40 year old QB. also notice they let other older vets like Joey Galloway, Warrick Dunn and Derrick Brooks go who were productive there. Monte Kiffin, Jon Gruden, Bruce Allen = all gone. new OC and QB coach, etc.
they drafted Josh Freeman for pete’s sake. who would draft him if they wanted to win now?
May 21st, 2009 at 10:51 am
I wish Barack would give Russell a call, with Cool pointers.
May 21st, 2009 at 10:52 am
Did anyone see the Daily Show talk about the Steeler
player that doesn’t want to see the Pres.?
What a doofus, did you hear his reason for not going?
May 21st, 2009 at 10:55 am
Regarding the JR pics I didnt care about the chain, the cigar or even that he was drunk. The same can be said about many NFL players. I was commenting on that HUGE gut. Dude literally lookes 8 months preagnant.
The poster said it was from March. He is full of crap. That the exact same outfit (with the unlit cigar) that Poole described at the boxing match last week. You can even look at the room and tell that that is from the Oracle, in the VIP area downstairs.
Im sending them to ESPN and CBS Sportsline. Dude needs to be called out. Just for the record, I like Russ. He is extremly talented. I think that is his downside as well. Dude is so talented that he thinks that he can simply rely on that and NOT put in the work (ala Vick). Maybe some embarasement will light a fire under him.
May 21st, 2009 at 10:56 am
In a couple years when we win the bowl, what do you think Russell will sport. White mink? Jeans and a white tee with a million in ice?
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If Obama’s still in office many Raiders may opt to decline ala James Harrison.
it’d be about as informitive as an Al Davis interview
May 21st, 2009 at 10:57 am
I wish Barack would give Russell a call, with Cool pointers.
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Russell is already a fatty. he doesn’t need to pick of smoking. that only makes his conditioning worse
May 21st, 2009 at 10:59 am
I keep hearing there keeping character guys well where do walker, turdell , kelly fit into that gameplan. Mr 22 gameballs only does what big al lets him!
May 21st, 2009 at 11:01 am
Mr 22 gameballs only does what big al lets him!
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seems like Fargas gets a game ball every time he goes over 50 yards rushing in a game
May 21st, 2009 at 11:04 am
NoMoreFargas Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:59 am
I keep hearing there keeping character guys well where do walker, turdell , kelly fit into that gameplan. Mr 22 gameballs only does what big al lets him!
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Good point. But, as far as we know, Turd and Kelly aren’t bad guys. They just suck. Javon…Well, that’s just Al not wanting to admit he’s wrong. He can blame MeAngelo on Kiffin, but Javon is all Al.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:24 am
you guys hate the owner,hate the coaches,hate the players yet you call yourselves fans of the team?
May 21st, 2009 at 11:25 am
Yeah, lets install a vertical offense, and roll with a 40 yr old dink & dunk QB. He’s soooooo feisty!
May 21st, 2009 at 11:30 am
NMF,
I said I trust Cable to do his job!! If he doesn’t, then we move on. I have been wrong before about coaches!! I liked the Kiffin signing, and now I don’t. I don’t get your point, of doyou not have one?!
May 21st, 2009 at 11:33 am
SnB
I think the Garcia signing is yet another example of Al Davis bringing in a player that doesn’t fit the system.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:33 am
Or do you….
What’s up Nation?
May 21st, 2009 at 11:35 am
We have a system?? What is it, never stop the run, draft horribly and Fargas up the middle for a yard.
I know I am being too harsh.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:38 am
What do you guys think of the rest of the NFL trying to emulate Al by hiring a “young” coach. In reality it started with Madden but after Gruden & Kitten the Donkeys, Queefs, & Tampons are following suite with NO criticism from the “sports” casters.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:38 am
They’re installing a Vertical Offense System.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:38 am
We have a system…find track players and make them into football players.
Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn’t!
May 21st, 2009 at 11:39 am
We also have a Man2Man system on Defense. Yet you may recall, Davis brought in a Star Zone guy, aka DeAngelo Hall last year.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:40 am
Let Er Rip!!!
May 21st, 2009 at 11:42 am
Vegas, Dakota
Did you know more Americans died from terrorist attacks under Bush/Cheney than any other administration?
Could you imagine the Pentagon being Dived-Bombed in broad daylight under Obama? Nah.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:42 am
no vegas…
the system is this.
hire 2 old dudes who know the air coryell offense, since Al Saunders refused to work here.
draft a qb who can throw the ball 70 yards down field – doesn’t matter if he’s accurate
draft a rb who can take it to the house – doesn’t matter if he’s durable
draft a wr who runs the fastest 40 and send him racing down the sideline – doesn’t matter if he can catch or not
May 21st, 2009 at 11:43 am
Leave me out of it. I have retired from the political talk on here.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:45 am
Oooh Vegas, you’ve retire from political talk on here? Is that just when I’m around to correct you?
May 21st, 2009 at 11:45 am
In all fairness we do have a consistent “system” on D, it just isn’t a good one right now. Not creative enough and too “light in the azz” as KoolKell would say.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:45 am
lefty12,
All fans have a right to boo their team when they are not performing up to their potential. Why are the Raiders any different.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:46 am
yeah….by keeping Cable I was thinking the offensive terminology would stay the same which would help Russell continuity wise.
But now after hearing this crap about “changing terminology when it comes to the vertical passing game”
it pisses me off because it’s going cause Russell yeat again to learn new terminology.
Lame….changing systems and terminology on a young QB every other year is NO GOOD!
May 21st, 2009 at 11:46 am
KK – Obama isn’t popular anymore. you’re about 6 months late with your mouthful of garbage
but thanks for sharing
May 21st, 2009 at 11:46 am
I get too involved KoolKell, not good for the blood pressure or work ethic.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:48 am
lefty12 Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:24 am
you guys hate the owner,hate the coaches,hate the players yet you call yourselves fans of the team?
^^^^^^
Yep…unfortunately….but the only one I can’t stand right now is the old stubborn senile man Al Davis.
He is the one that is holding this franchise back from becoming great again.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:49 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:46 am
KK – Obama isn’t popular anymore. you’re about 6 months late with your mouthful of garbage
but thanks for sharing
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I see you’re about as well-informed about current affairs as you are about football.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:50 am
Russell could have 5 years experience in the Kiffin/Knapp offense and still not grow as a QB.
Hackett and Tollner are basically dumbing up their playbook to cater to Russell so that he can learn a few basic plays while improving much more critcal aspects of his game like footwork, accuracy, timing, pocket awareness and how to read a defense.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:50 am
Hahahah, Rr, you’re funny.
71% rating for Obama. When has ANYONE named Bush had that kind of approval rating. Michael excluded.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:52 am
http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx
May 21st, 2009 at 11:52 am
nobody is comparing GWB and Obama.
just a bunch of empty promises from a liar and a coward
May 21st, 2009 at 11:55 am
I see you’re about as well-informed about current affairs as you are about football
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I’ll admit, I spend WAY more time reading articles and typing on this blog than I do watching CNN or MSNBC.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:55 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:50 am
Russell could have 5 years experience in the Kiffin/Knapp offense and still not grow as a QB.
Hackett and Tollner are basically dumbing up their playbook to cater to Russell so that he can learn a few basic plays while improving much more critcal aspects of his game like footwork, accuracy, timing, pocket awareness and how to read a defense.
^^^^^^
I can understand that….but it seemed like last year with Cable calling the plays and using that Cables terminology Russell was growing and the offense was scoring more points.
I just hope this new Tollner vertical pass game terminology doesn’t screw up Russell more than it helps.
May 21st, 2009 at 11:55 am
TW,
#462
Michael Bush!! That’s funny!! lol
May 21st, 2009 at 11:57 am
I’ll admit, I spend WAY more time reading articles and typing on this blog than I do watching CNN or MSNBC.
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But that doesn’t stop you from running your mouth about things you know nothing about, does it?
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:46 am
KK – Obama isn’t popular anymore. you’re about 6 months late with your mouthful of garbage
May 21st, 2009 at 12:03 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:50 am
Hackett and Tollner are basically dumbing up their playbook to cater to Russell so that he can learn a few basic plays
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You don’t know that. It hasn’t been reported as such. That’s simply your biased interpretation.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Cheney and Rumsfeld are evil liars and war criminals.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:06 pm
But that doesn’t stop you from running your mouth about things you know nothing about, does it?
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Kell,
You don’t know that. It hasn’t been reported as such. That’s simply your biased interpretation. and I’d say Michael Bush’s approval rating is pretty darn good after what we saw in Tampa Bay on Week 17
May 21st, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Can you imagine the Pentagon being Dived-Bombed, with an American Civilian Aircraft, under Barack Obama. Dakota’s outrage would be overwhelming.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:09 pm
What do you guys think of David White? Is he a Raiders or SF fan?!
May 21st, 2009 at 12:10 pm
KoolKell Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:33 am
SnB
I think the Garcia signing is yet another example of Al Davis bringing in a player that doesn’t fit the system.
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Yeah, Garcia doesn’t fit this system at all. But I think this is a Cable signing. Cable likes “do-right” guys and Garcia is one of those scrappy players.
“Do-Right” guys are good to have on the roster….just not too many of them. The problem with a lot of “do-right” players is that they sometimes lack in the talent department and eventually that holds them back.
Now the best of both worlds is when you get a “do-right” guy AND he has the talent to go with it. Then you get guys like Peyton Manning or Tiger Woods.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:11 pm
David White is legit, I think he is a bigger fan than Jerry. But both of them are a bit jaded after years of reporting on a losing team. I really liked his “twittering” (?) during the OTA’s and mini-camps.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:11 pm
KK,
Can you pls not Bomb, plane, or crash around me. I might disappear for a few years!!!
May 21st, 2009 at 12:12 pm
KK,
Can you pls not say Bomb, plane, or crash around me. I might disappear for a few years!!!
May 21st, 2009 at 12:14 pm
BBB,
Yes sir, I liked his ” twittering” too.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Darknight-they are also COWARDS.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Sure Kell, Obama can give JR cool pointers from his teleprompter. Sometimes the teleprompter makes a fool of the genius though. Like yesterday Obama called his Sec of Def William Gates instead of Robert Gates.
KoolKell Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 10:51 am
I wish Barack would give Russell a call, with Cool pointers.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:21 pm
KK-doesn’t the Garcia signing sort of remind you of having V. Evans as a backup for years?
May 21st, 2009 at 12:26 pm
BART Bridge Blues Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 12:11 pm
David White is legit, I think he is a bigger fan than Jerry. But both of them are a bit jaded after years of reporting on a losing team. I really liked his “twittering” (?) during the OTA’s and mini-camps.
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This is one of the few times that I think that stupid fad twitter is even useful….for MINI CAMP updates! LOL
White sounded a bit to critical and negative of these guys (especialy Russell) for a freakin QTA practice??
May 21st, 2009 at 12:28 pm
71% Where did you find that ? The Rasmussen report has Obama at 36% approval 29% dissaproval. Even on inaugaration day he wasnt at 71%.
FYI…Pelosis dissaproval rating is 55%.
Link
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll
RaiderTW Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 11:50 am
Hahahah, Rr, you’re funny.
71% rating for Obama. When has ANYONE named Bush had that kind of approval rating. Michael excluded.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Jerry new thread please we are talking politics and this wont bode well for the Obamacks.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:33 pm
lefty12 Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 12:21 pm
KK-doesn’t the Garcia signing sort of remind you of having V. Evans as a backup for years?
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Vince Evans was the MAN! Played forever, and looked young when he retired…the black Blanda.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:33 pm
This is alarming.
– Here was how Tom Cable described JaMarcus Russell’s struggles:
“Just being accurate and understanding where to throw the football and when,” Cable said.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Mistabrown Says:
May 21st, 2009 at 12:28 pm
71% Where did you find that ? The Rasmussen report has Obama at 36% approval 29% dissaproval. Even on inaugaration day he wasnt at 71%.
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Approval rating = 100 minus the disapproval percentage. Its a yes/no question, always has been. 100-29=71. Rasmussen is not the standard.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:38 pm
SnB
It would have been nice for the Raiders to bring in a “Do-Right” backup QB capable of playing in the system they are designing.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:41 pm
the Rassmusen is a Repugnant Polling Organization. They water-board the polling sample.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Jerry how is Lechler looking ?
May 21st, 2009 at 12:45 pm
KK-the key to your statement is capable.there simply weren’t any.
May 21st, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Just 29% of Minnesota voters think the Minnesota Vikings should sign retired quarterback Brett Favre to helm their NFL team. Forty-two percent (42%) say it’s a bad idea, according to a new Rasmussen Reports telephone survey in the state.
May 29th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
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