Alston looks for leading role as the heavy
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, June 5th, 2009 at 11:50 am in Oakland Raiders.
Time, as well as the ability to shed blockers and make plays during training camp, will determine if Jon Alston is a blown-up safety or a strong sidelinebacker capable of blowing up a sweep to his side.
Although Alston felt the Raiders defense did not perform up to par in Wednesday’s open-to-the-media organized team activity session, his own performance was impressive.
He is one of the most spirited, enthusiastic defenders, playing with a contagious enthusiasm even in the most routine practice sessions. He made a number of plays in the passing game, and positioned himself for would-be stops in non-contact drills against the run.
It is the latter skill which will be tested when the Raiders convene in Napa. In his fourth-year out of Stanford, Alston is a man varied interests. He plays the guitar and has designs on being an actor in his post-football life.
Rather than spend a lot of time with those pursuits, Alston put his mind to packing on some pounds after finishing the season at 214 pounds, making him the smallest strongside linebacker in the league.
At first glance, Alston, with bigger arms and thicker around the neck and shoulders, doesn’t seem to have lost any of his quickness.
Building a body beyond its capacity can have its risks, not only in terms of health but performance. Years ago, the Raiders wanted Lance Johnstone to come in a little heavier so he could advance to something beyond a pass rusher.
Johnstone got heavier all right _ he came in with a gut and a year later he was released and wound up in Minnesota.
A pair of Raiders tight ends, Randal Williams and John Madsen, also got bigger but not necessarily better.
Williams, special teams player and wide receiver, went from a wide receiver in the 200-pound range to a thickly muscled 230-pound plus because Norv Turner wanted him to play tight end. He began to drop passes, experience back trouble and eventually was gone.
The decision with Madsen, a slot receiver at Utah, was to either make him a large wideout in the Ed McCaffrey mold or convert him to tight end. The bigger Madsen got, the more injury-prone he became, and his receiving skills suffered as well.
Alston believes his body has taken to the added weight and thinks he is at an age where he can get bigger as well as better.
Here’s a few questions I asked of Alston as he came off the field Wednesday in a brief interview before Tom Cable went to the podium to address the media:
Q: Is there a lot of difference in what you’re doing defensively this year, or is it just doing things better?
Alston: One of the main things we’re going to be seeing is a strong sense of refinement in this defense. Coach Marshall brings a ton of experience. he’s been in the NFL probably a lot longer than I’ve been alive and one of the things that comes with that is added discipline. We enjoy having him around, and that’s basically what’s going down.
Q: There’s been a lot of talk about how the run defense can be fixed with discipline without a major change in personnel. Is that viable?
Alston: Look at anybody’s life. If you ever want to prove something, you’ve got to know where you messed up, acknowledge that you messed up, then fix those problems piece by piece. Personnel is not going be the issue. We have talent. Everyone knows we have talent. It’s can we play together, can we be disciplined, how much do we care? That’s the test. I think what we have now is a new sense of vigor, especially under coach Cable, in making sure we get stuff done.
It’s not just going to be that we play well once in awhile and that’s good enough. It’s making sure we get this stuff done. It’s got to be every time we play, we play well. Today we didn’t have the best practice, so we have to come out (Thursday) and have a better practice than (Tuesday) _ which was a great practice, especially on the defensive side. Coach Cable let us know, and that’s the biggest part. he let us know we’ve got to go to work.
Q: You were considered a tweener at Stanford, not exactly a safety, not exactly a weakside linebacker. You played on the strong side last year. Is too much made of pigeonholing a player in a certain position or is a football player simply a football player?
Alston: Everybody’s journey in this league is different. I’ve been fortunate enough to put on some weight this offseason. It’s come with age and a lot of hard work, but it’s given me a chance to compete. If they tell me to play SAM, I’ll bulk up and do my best to play SAM. I just want to play.
Q: How much bigger did you get?
Alston: You know what? I probably ended the season around 214 and I’ve gotten up to 235. Right now I’m sitting at 232.
Q: Some players lose their quickness when they bulk up and that’s a big part of your game. But you seem to have kept yours judging from the practice field . . .
Alston: I think it was time for my body to grow a little bit.
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June 5th, 2009 at 11:51 am
yo
June 5th, 2009 at 11:52 am
if Alston goes sam where does that leave Brown or Morrisson???
June 5th, 2009 at 11:53 am
in his 4th year huh???
June 5th, 2009 at 11:55 am
well he did go 2 Stanford maybe Alston is ready
June 5th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Alston is a savvy guy. He should play well for us.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
i hate the chargers. just had to get that out my system.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
4Eva, sorry
June 5th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 11:26 am
I clearly need new people.
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Yes…heads must roll.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
20 lbs of muscle in 6 months = roids or hgh
whatever it takes my man!
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Dang right, WHATEVER it takes!!!
June 5th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
hey,Jon,not everybody knows we have talent.according to many on this site our Def. talent sucks,especially our front 7.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
I still say Alston coulde have been our answer at SS…
June 5th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
I still loved that fake punt for a first down that he ran against the Jets.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Sup nation? Yo huff thanx 4 the link. =)
June 5th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
I am a Mexican male living in Mexico. Yeah, I know, you thought I was goin’ to say California, Texas, Washington, Minneapolis or Whatever, anyway I’m a long time fan of the NFL. I am a Raider fan…. Boo bitch moan, whatever…. I get the NFL hating Mr. Davis and all the history between them and all…but why punish the players? Why do fans not care? A few years back you would have thought the second coming of Jesus was at hand when the first African American head coach went on to the Superbowl…. What was that, Superbowl 41? I heard commentators say that the first African American coach a Superbowl is a shoe in for the Hall Of Fame….
Last time I was in the States, about 8 years ago(on a student visa), we Mexicans were considered a minority. Or am I wrong? Somebody correct me if I am…anyway, I remember a (Mexican-American) head coach name Tom Flores who lead the Raiders to an upset in Superbowl XV…or was it XVIII? Am I wrong or was it BOTH!? Wasn’t it Jim Plunkett who was his starting QB? A (Mexican-American) as well. Wasn’t He a ( Superbowl) MVP?
Why does the league never talk about this? I’ve yet to find a single artcle. Do they feel that it is common for a coach of Mexican Descent to win SuperBowls? When was the last time we saw a Mexican coach?…Do they not realize the uniqueness of how special those SuperBowls (were)? That will never happen again. Where does the NFL place those feats in the “Golden Moments”(in NFL History). Nowhere as far as I can tell.
Shouldn’t THEY be in the Hall Of Fame? Or at least mentioned?
Maybe I’m biased as I am Mexican, either way, thank you Mr. Al Davis for giving men the opportunity to excell regardless of their age or race. You are and will always be my personal hero.”
letter that was included in a bleacher report article I read today
June 5th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
If ur not cheating ur not tryin hard enough. Rule # 1!
June 5th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
FREE TOM FLORES!
June 5th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Who’s Alston?
June 5th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Soy chicano. hey 4eva im at lunch on my phone. What ever it takes 2 get my fix.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Inonewordraider, I said years ago Flores should be recognized as the first minority head coach to win a SB, and likewise Plunkett being the first minority QB to win a SB. All that ensued was a bunch of so called “Raider fans” arguing that either it shouldn’t matter (while it matters to honor Shell as being the first black HC in modern times), or even the legitimacy of their minority status. Don’t waste your time with these morons.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
“Who’s Real MaddenRaider???”- Jon Alston
June 5th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Alston was one of the first people we resigned if I remember corectly!! And all the hype was about keeping our ST intact… But it looks like Alston and Cable have different plans I cant wait till the day A Raider beats Another Raider teammate out because one was going 100% and the other 110%….This is the type of stuff guys like Alston, Frantz, fargas,(well iknow iwill be killed for this but lets face it if bush or dmac were healthy or better they would have stated fargas beat them out plain and sipml3) and Nnamdi guys like this form a neuclious that wins games more often than not!! we are finaly coming together in the personal dept. now heres to hoping Cable plays the best Guy for the job….unless like I always say his name starts with a G and ends in arcia!!!!
June 5th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Shouldn’t THEY be in the Hall Of Fame? Or at least mentioned?
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did some one take Flores out of the hall of fame again…..damn kids!!! LOL
June 5th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
inonewordraider Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
I heard commentators say that the first African American coach a Superbowl is a shoe in for the Hall Of Fame….
Why does the league never talk about this?
I’ve yet to find a single artcle.
Do they feel that it is common for a coach of Mexican Descent to win SuperBowls?
When was the last time we saw a Mexican coach?…
Do they not realize the uniqueness of how special those SuperBowls (were)?
Where does the NFL place those feats in the “Golden Moments”(in NFL History). Nowhere as far as I can tell.
Shouldn’t THEY be in the Hall Of Fame? Or at least mentioned?
Maybe I’m biased as I am Mexican, either way, thank you Mr. Al Davis for giving men the opportunity to excell regardless of their age or race. You are and will always be my personal hero.
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The Real MaddenRaider Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
…Don’t waste your time with these morons.
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Um, he wasn’t referring to US MORONS Mr. Spander. Read above. He is railing on the NFL and the press. He even thanked your hero Al Davis (who should be in the HOF twice).
June 5th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Oakglenn, I’m just a fan on a blog. This guy’s on the team, and I’ve never heard of him. It is what it is. Who is Alston? Who cares?
June 5th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Bo, first off, who is Spander? Secondly, he wasn’t referring to you guys as morons. I WAS. And I’m referring to the last time this topic came up, when you dumb rednecks just sat there and argued the legitimacy of Plunkett and Flores being minorities. One of you idiot said the Flores was in fact Spanish, no indigenous blood. (b.s.. He’s Mexican-American, born in Fresno). Some of you said Plunkett was actually American Indian, which he’s not, he’s said he’s Mexican-American, but even if he were, being an Indian would still make him a minority. Dumb ass, trailer park Raider fans. What do you expect?
June 5th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Plunkett:
Career 164 TDs
198 INTs
67.5 QB rating
Outside of starting 13 games in 1980 and 14 games in 1983 he never played more than 10 games in a season as a Raider.
HOF? Sorry, but no friggin way.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Does anyone else think the players have been coached up on how to respond to questions about the defense?
June 5th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Dakota, taking a team to a SB as a second string qb twice is something that could be recognized by the HOF fame voters. Stats aren’t the end all be all.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Flores won 52.7% of his games…HOF? I don’t think so.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Dakota Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Plunkett:
Career 164 TDs
198 INTs
67.5 QB rating
Outside of starting 13 games in 1980 and 14 games in 1983 he never played more than 10 games in a season as a Raider.
HOF? Sorry, but no friggin way.
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LOL at that statement heres one for the none belivers!!!
“He led the Raiders to two Super Bowl victories (XV and XVIII). He is the only retired quarterback to start, and win, two Super Bowls who is not also in the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio.”
Now lets look at how many rings ol Danny Marino has???? the game is about winning not indivisual stats he should be in th HOF on the statment above alone!!! one more time!!1
“He is the only retired quarterback to start, and win, two Super Bowls who is not also in the Pro Football Hall of Fame in Canton, Ohio.”
June 5th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Bo, first off, who is Spander?
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BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Good one.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Dakota Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Flores won 52.7% of his games…HOF? I don’t think so.
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WOW again bro!!!!
“Flores and Mike Ditka are the only two people in the NFL to win Super Bowls as a player, an assistant coach and a head coach. ”
AS in THE ONLY other PERSON EVER!!!!!!!!!lol these guys are legends to the game and their heritage!!!!
June 5th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
I thought Plunkett was Filipino like Rickey Henderson (obviously from the slow island).
June 5th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Sorry Oaklifer,
If Marino was the QB for the Raiders from 1980 to 1986 (and of course he was in his 20s, lol) we probably would have won several SBs…Plunkett didn’t carry us to any SBs…he played a part, but many decent QBs could have taken those teams and won SBs.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
I’m on record as an Alston believer from early last year. If he’s now stout enough to handle the strong side that is great news. He’s basically as fast as Thomas Howard and isn’t afraid of contact either. Could have a breakout season if he can carry the added weight.
The HGH/steroid comments are nonsense. Alston may have ENDED last season at 214 but he typically plays around 220-225. Really he’s put on 10 pounds since the start of 2008. Anybody can put on 10-20 pounds of muscle in 5 months if they adjust their diet and have all day to work out.
June 5th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
If Trent Dilfer had won one more SB with Baltimore he wouldn’t be considered for the HOF would he? Nope, and neither should Plunkett.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
George Seifert won 2 SBs…should he be in the HOF? His numbers are way better than Flores’.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Where did Ditka win a SB as an asst?
June 5th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Cliff Branch is the one guy that absolutely should be in the Hall of Fame.
One thing that is working against Flores is a winning percentage that is .527 or 10 games over 500. Most of that due to his time up North in Seattle. But 2 SBs should are very, very impressive.
As for Plunkett, he really only had a couple of seasons of elite play…and a lot of forgettable years. But again, he does have SBs behind him. Perhaps if he didn’t lose all that time languishing in New England.
Look, anyone who remembers watching Plunkett and Flores realizes the MASSIVE contribution to the Silver and Black. But the Hall of Fame is trying to find the best players/coaches of all time.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Comparing Dilfer to Plunkett is just silly. How many touchdown passes did Dilfer throw in a Superbowl?
June 5th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
John Salley won four championship rings, with three different teams, in three different decades and two different millenniums…is he going to the HOF…I don’t think so…okay, bad analogy, lol.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
“if Marino was the QB for the Raiders from 1980 to 1986 we probably would have won several SBs”-yea,instead of all those SBs he won in Miami.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Here’s a question:
Who will be the NEXT Raider player to get in the HOF (must go in as a Raider)?
Stabler? Guy? Branch? Aso? Timmy? Alston?
I don’t think Charles Woodson is getting in…
I think its Southwick.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Lefty, are you saying that with Marino the Dolphins had as much talent as the Raiders? You must be if you are comparing what Marino did in Miami with what Plunkett did with Oakland, lol.
Come on…I suppose Elway wouldn’t have won a SB or two with the Raiders in the 1980 either…
June 5th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Elway was at Stanford in 1980……….. but he probably could have won that Superbowl
June 5th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
The HOF is about players and coaches that had great careers, Plunkett and Flores had great moments within very mediocre careers.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
I think Stabler, Lester Hayes and Todd Christensen are actually the most deserving Raiders not in the Hall. Nothing against those other greats, just my opinion.
Christensen’s career stats are almost identical to Kellen Winslow Sr.’s. The two played in the same era, in the same division, Christensen has a ring and Winslow doesn’t. Yet Winslow is considered one of the all-time greats and Christensen is rarely even mentioned as a Hall candidate. WTF is that?
June 5th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
people who love stats love Marino.people who love winning and winners love Plunkett.as much as most won’t admit,Marino was a loser-always threw a key interception at the wrong time.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Lol, sorry Lefty, Marino was a great talent stuck on teams with no running games or defenses. If Plunkett and Marino were both 22 years old and you had to draft one of them which one would you take?
June 5th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
So it’s TH, Kirk, and Alston!!
Brown, Euk, and Frantz as backups!!
June 5th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
The difference between Elway and Marino? Elway had Tarrell Davis, Marino didn’t. The difference between an average NFL QB and Jim Plunkett? Plunkett had great talent all around him.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Chris,you also have to throw Branch into the discussion.he was the most dangerous WR in the NFL during his prime years.won a SB MVP i believe(could be wrong about that),has better career numbers than many already in the HOF,and was on multiple SB teams.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Cliff Branch is another story…he should be in the HOF if those two Steeler WRs are in.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Only Raider fan would try and compare Dan Marino and Jim Plunkett.
Only Raider fan bangs the HOF drum for Tom Flores or Jim Plunkett.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Dakota Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
The HOF is about players and coaches that had great careers, Plunkett and Flores had great moments within very mediocre careers.
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The premise of this post is spot on. I think I would find a better word than mediocre. Although, I think playing a major role in 2 Super Bowl victories elevates someone beyond just average. Not Hall of Fame…but better than average
June 5th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
It doesn’t look good for Frantz!!
June 5th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Still too early to tell. IMHO
June 5th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Frantz is NOT making the squad.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
408 thats awesome dude!!!
June 5th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
O-Cable said don’t take too much into the fact Alston is playing sam while Brown is working in the middle.things could change once training camp starts-Brown moving back outside,but being trained to sub in the middle “just in case”.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
I agree, Branch is up there too. I kind of doubt he makes it in though. It’s going to get harder as time goes by because of the gawdy numbers WRs are putting up in the last 20+ years since he retired. Branch has just two 1,000 yard seasons in a 14-year career. Different era, but voters looking at stats alone will be hesitant to pull the trigger.
Next Raider to get in? Tim Brown — unless Stabler finally gets the nod in the next couple of years.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Lefty,
You ate right, I just want Joseph to make the 53 man roster. I think he will.
I like how he sounds in interviews, and he can hit. I want to see him on the field with Mike M.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Lefty,
I know nothing about your DIET, but your ( are right)! lol
June 5th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Oh my god!! Because he sounds good in interviews?? Are you SERIOUS? How do you know he can hit?
June 5th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Marino went to a established,winning team with a HOF coach in Miami.he won 1(one) year and while putting up great stats(what is the saying-stats are for losers) never sniffed the SB again.Plunkett won in college and was the 1st pick in the draft by the worst team at the time in the NFL-the N.E.Patriots,where he was beaten like a drum for years.who’s to say if they hadn’t been reversed that Plunkett wouldn’t have won a SB under a HOF coach in Miami.i think he would have.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
I have been thinking about food all day, thx 4eva!!
Robo Cup, Ate!!!!
June 5th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Looks like staff feels most comfortable with Brown being able to play multiple LB positions and the SAM postition is up for grabs. Brown will be ready to sub in for Morrison if hurt or to give him a breather but is also candidate for the starting SAM along with Alston and others….
June 5th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Dan Marino and Jim Plunkett arent even in the same league and shouldnt be mentioned in the same breath. You all never cease to amaze me.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Raider O
I have to….agree with Dude. I don’t see Frantz Joseph making the team either. You can see how things are lining up now.
They have Ricky Brown working with MLBs so that they can move him around. Alston is the 2nd SLB with Slade Norris probably being the 3rd.
Morrison is the clear starter.
And at the end of the day….Franz Joseph does not have that Raider speed.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
That had to be painful for you SnB.LOL!
June 5th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Dude,
Don’t discount Plunketts TWO Super Bowl rings. Marino is definitely the better quarterback….but I bet if you asked Marino if he could exchange some of those yards for just ONE ring….I would guess he would have an interesting answer.
Dakota said it best….Plunkett had great moments in an average career. The fact that Plunkett has national recognition as a great performer on the big stage says something.
Two SB rings is the real deal.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
your welcome O
June 5th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Dude Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
That had to be painful for you SnB.LOL!
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I call like I see it. Or at least try too!
June 5th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
SnB,
He doesn’t have the speed, but over 300 tackles in 2 years!!
I think the kid can play, he will show what he can do with contact. Biekert wasn’t fast, but smart enough to read and react.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Plunkett won 2 SBs,Marino won 0.dudes correct,they shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breathe.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
For better or for worse….the Raiders run a finesse defense. Their defense at its best…will look more like the Indy Colts and less like the Giants/Eagles or Ravens.
The Raiders are never going to be a big hitting, physical defense. They don’t have the personnell for it. They will always be mediocre on run defense…the focus is on pass coverage.
It is what it is….The Raiders have to get the offense to score a lot of points to mask the lack of physicality on defense and force opponents to pass.
Do I agree with it? Nope. I think hitting the other guy in the mouth closes the deal, especially in December and the playoffs. Do I understand what the Davis is trying to do? Yes….and it can work if the offense can get those double digit leads….
June 5th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
SnB,
No doubt Marino would trade his records for a ring. No doubt. I wasnt pretty young for Plunketts SBs but he appears to be the product of very good supporting casts.
Raider0,
Youve never seen the cat play, so you really shouldnt be commenting like you have. For every Biekert you name there are 200 other names who never played a snap in the NFL.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
in Plunketts first couple of years he played for a coach who was trying to run the wishbone offense in the NFL-with the speedy Plunkett.big difference than playing for someone like Don Schula!
June 5th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Lefty,
Who was the better QB?
June 5th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Raider O Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
SnB,
He doesn’t have the speed, but over 300 tackles in 2 years!!
I think the kid can play, he will show what he can do with contact. Biekert wasn’t fast, but smart enough to read and react.
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That doesn’t matter Raider O. He can hit all people he wants too. Can he cover? Can he tag the tight end? Will he be able to get the RB in the flats?
Look, I am with you for the need to get hitters….Its just not their philosophy. The goal is to get a “good enough” run defense….and have an elite pass defense. That’s why they focus the defensive draft picks each year on pass rushers and defensive backs.
They aren’t drafting big hitting players or run stuffers high in the draft. They don’t value that talent in the defensive scheme
June 5th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Sorry Lefty 12…comparing Plunkett favorably to Marino is like claiming Horace Grant was a better PF than Karl Malone because Horace Grant won 4 championships on very talented teams and Malone never won.
Again Lefty, if Plunkett and Marino are both 22 years old and you had to draft one of them which one would you draft? Marino of course, whether or not you would admit it, lol.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Dakota Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Sorry Oaklifer,
If Marino was the QB for the Raiders from 1980 to 1986 (and of course he was in his 20s, lol) we probably would have won several SBs…Plunkett didn’t carry us to any SBs…he played a part, but many decent QBs could have taken those teams and won SBs.
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True that!! understood!!
June 5th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
IMO, Frantz Joseph will make the 53 man roster.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Oh and Lefty…I know you hate Favre, and I also think he is overated, but he is certainly more HOF worthy than Plunkett isn’t he???
June 5th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
YOUVE NEVER SEEN HIM PLAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Your opinion dont mean squat.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Morrison will be the starting MLB
Brown will be the starting SLB
If Morrison is injured then Ricky Brown will be slotted over to MLB and either Alston or Norris will be put at SLB.
Franz Joseph is here to see if he is a diamond in the rough. But unless he significantly outperforms Brown in camp….he’s not going to make the team.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Sorry Lefty 12…comparing Plunkett favorably to Marino is like claiming Horace Grant was a better PF than Karl Malone because Horace Grant won 4 championships on very talented teams and Malone never won.
shed in a good light!!! nice work Dakota atta way to back-up a opinion well done!!!!! perfect analogy
June 5th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
have a great weekennd Nation!
Raider on!!!
not that I like them…but Lakers in 4 write it down howard cant do it all him self….Kobe on the other hand……
Peace!!
June 5th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
SnB,
I’m not trying to argue sir, I leave that to dude, but can I remind you that we drafted Mike Mitchell in the 2nd!! There were other Ss who were faster, but we drafted him due to his hitting ability. Again IMHO
June 5th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Dude,i know you and others don’t agree,but i’d take Plunkett over Marino.Plunkett was a winner.other QBs may have put up better numbers and looked prettier,but when a play had to be made plunkett was more efficient than Marino,who as i said earlier,always seemed to throw a key int. at the wrong moment.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Have a great weekend OAK.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Lefty,
That is straight up cuhrazzzzzzzzy talk. Jim Plunkett was average at best. Dan Marino was great.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Any GM that would draft Plunkett over Marino should be immediately terminated, lol.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
oaklifer-different sports.the two can’t even be compared.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
Neither Flores nor Plunk should be at the top of the Raiders list of players who DESERVE their place in the HOF.
That list MUST begin with the great Raider Lester Hayes #37 — one of the NFL’s greatest-ever cornerbacks.
The next player in line would have to be either the great Cliff Branch or the great Jack Tatum — both players who were better than their peers throughout their careers.
Other (mostly) OBJECTIVE observations lead me to think the great Raiders Plunkett and Flores have compelling stories and had GREAT careers…but their special moments (and our great pleasures) don’t quite measure up to HOF worthiness before those guys I mentioned above.
If the HOF was fair at all about inducting legendary veterans who deserve it just based on their contributions to the game, REGARDLESS OF STATS (or in-spite of them)…
…the incredible great Raider Ken Stabler would’ve been inducted 2-decades ago.
The HOF is cool — but it sure ain’t fair.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Raider0,
How do you know Joseph hits hard??
June 5th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Dude,
Just a thought:
Since my opinion don’t mean squat, why don’t you ignore it?!?
June 5th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Lefty…would you rather have Plunkett over Dan Fouts too? Or Plunkett over Steve Young because Plunkett had more SB wins? Plunkett over Stabler?
June 5th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
BUT you keep asking me to share more opinions?!?
June 5th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Raider O Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Dude,
Just a thought:
Since my opinion don’t mean squat, why don’t you ignore it?!?
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Burn.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Raider O Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
SnB,
I’m not trying to argue sir, I leave that to dude, but can I remind you that we drafted Mike Mitchell in the 2nd!! There were other Ss who were faster, but we drafted him due to his hitting ability. Again IMHO
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Hey bro…never to argumentative. Just giving my opinion. Don’t forget that Mike Mitchell ran a 4.4 40x and that his Pro-Day times is what got folks interested in him.
He can certainly hit…but he still has “Raider Speed”
If Franz Joseph could run a 4.5 or 4.6….then I think he could make it. Or….he could make it if he lights up training camp….that’s a tall order for an undrafted free agent. I hope he makes it because the Raiders defense is relatively soft compared to other defenses.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
You intrigue me. Im intrigued by what I dont understand.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Dude,Plunkett played for a terrible team in NE.the coach tried to make him run the wishbone-the option to all you young guys who don’t know what the wishbone is.he got hammered for years,was ruined.and he may have been just slightly above avg. until a big play had to be made,then he made it.Marino didn’t.he would always throw a big int. in pressure situations.you can have the guy who put up great stats and couldn’t win,i’ll take the guy who would make a big play when it was called for and won games.
June 5th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Dakota Says:
Any GM that would draft Plunkett over Marino should be immediately terminated, lol.
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Ummm, Dakota — Jim Plunkett was more heralded than Marino was coming out of college. Before the pro’s, Marino was just another Jeff George. Plunkett’s compelling story made him even more attractive to the team that drafted him (and ruined his early career).
The great Jim Plunkett’s story is in the HOF already, and I’m glad about that at least. There are other QB’s that would have to be considered ahead of Plunk, starting with The Snake.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Lefty,
ALWAYS threw interceptions in clutch situations???? Come on now bro.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Dude,
LMAO
June 5th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Its almost time for my illegal smile!!!
June 5th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Todd Christensen lead ALL receivers in catches two years in a row as a TE. Take that Sharpe, you F*ckin’ H back!!!
June 5th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
HayesDaze37,
We are playing MMQB here…Marino clearly was the better QB. No question about it.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
ok Dude not always,but you get the point.i saw him do it quite a bit when either a big play was called for or the game was on the line.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
I’ll bet if you polled all 32 NFL GMs and asked them if they would choose Marino over Plunkett as their QB 31 of them would select Marino…
June 5th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
SnB and Dude,
I agree. Very hard for an URFA to make the Roster, and him not having speed doesn’t help.
That makes a lot of sesnse, but then look at our D. It needs big hitters, players that the O fears. Players who want to hurt you, and impose their power on you.
I think Frantz is one of those players, and that’s why I want him to make the team. Also, for that reason I think he will make the team as a Backup.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Where is LMN? I wanted to ask him what part of Europe he was from; the part whose asses we saved or the part whose asses we kicked?
lol
June 5th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Saw that on a bumper sticker the other day…lmao
June 5th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Sense, sorry.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Only in SD!!
June 5th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Actually it was in Minn.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Only in Minn!!
June 5th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Dakota Says:
Any GM that would draft Plunkett over Marino should be immediately terminated, lol.
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Todd Blackledge, Tony Eason, & Ken O’Brien were drafted above Marino.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Dakota Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Where is LMN? I wanted to ask him what part of Europe he was from; the part whose asses we saved or the part whose asses we kicked?
lol
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Dakota’s seratonin levels are dangerously high after last night’s rout. He is clearly taking on any and all comers. Citizens of Rapid City, lock up your womenfolk!
June 5th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Freedom Toast!!!!! lol
June 5th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
That was my breakfast. Don’t get any ideas!!
June 5th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Bo,
How did you know I was going to Rapid City tonight?
Speaking of the game though…I watched every second of it…LIVE…when Orlando went up 33-28 and Nelson was crushing us off the bench I started having heart palpitations and almost hit record on the DVR with the intent of leaving the house and going on a two hour drive…but I stuck with them and they kicked ass…the Jinx is broken!
June 5th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Raider O Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Freedom Toast!!!!! lol
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I did pick up some Freedom Bread last night to go with the spaghetti dinner I prepared!
June 5th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Stats from the crime scene:
Lynn Swann in the HOF:
Rec 336
Yds 5462
TDs 51
3 Pro Bowls
3x All Pro
4 SB wins
SB MVP
Cliff Branch not in the HOF:
Rec 501
Yds 8685
Tds 67
4 Pro Bowls
4x All Pro
3 SB Wins
Cliff Branch’s career doesn’t just compare favorably to Swann’s — BRANCH’S NUMBERS DWARF SWANN’S NUMBERS.
A crime against NFL fans continues as long as players like Cliff Branch and Lester Hayes #37 aren’t in the HOF.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Raider O,
The Raiders defensive philosophy is largely that of a finesse defense. The Raider defensive philosophy is more like that of the Indy Colts.
The Raiders will never be a Steelers, Ravens, Giants or Eagles type of defense.
Its finesse and speed. Force the team to pass through double digit offensive leads and play “good enough” run defense.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
As that what you guys call it in SD?
I Talian food!! That’s nice.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Dakota Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Bo,
How did you know I was going to Rapid City tonight?
Speaking of the game though…I watched every second of it…LIVE…when Orlando went up 33-28 and Nelson was crushing us off the bench I started having heart palpitations and almost hit record on the DVR with the intent of leaving the house and going on a two hour drive…but I stuck with them and they kicked ass…the Jinx is broken!
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Without a doubt the team could tell you didn’t click the DVR. When Phil was talking about his team’s great energy, he was talking to you!
Enduring the suspense and stress really makes a fan feel invested. Good job. Needless to say though, it doesn’t work for football.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Bo, I can’t take all the credit for the win…Kobe did his part too.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Is that.. Sorry.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Dakota — Coming out of college, nobody knew Marino would be what he ended up being. Same as Plunkett.
But to be fair — comparing apples to apples coming out of college — Plunkett came out with a MUCH higher level of expectation to be ready to carry a NFL franchise to greatness.
In hindsight, of course, GM’s would take Marino in a side-by-side comparison after a few years in the league. But that wasn’t the question posed.
Coming out of college? The odds were on Plunkett as a high draft pick, while Marino was a question mark on MOST draft boards as far as where to take him. As a Raiders fan, I was very glad he went to Miami as opposed to the AFC West or the Steelers.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
SnB,
It sounds like you had an epiphany after the draft. lol
June 5th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Man I am hungry!!
Crawdaddy boil this wknd!!
June 5th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
The catches Todd Christensen would make in traffic in clutch moments was unbelievable. That guy was a gamer who I agree does belong in the HOF. Truly a great Raider!
June 5th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
i always get a kick out of people comparing players on different teams and how well they did.. Raiders and Miami at that time were always winning.. Patriots werent neither were the niners.. you take a player on a crap team and he isnt going to do crap.. take that same player and put him on a great team.. and he will do great.. example.. take Brady out of NE.. and he is out of the league.. look at what Cassell did for NE when Brady went down.. it just proves that certain players fit certain schemes.. like putting a round peg in a round hole rather then a square peg in a triangle hole.. no one really knows if Plunkett would have won in Miami .. or Marino in Oakland.. cant redo history
June 5th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
HayseDaze…Lefty knew what I was asking…we had been discussing their NFL careers and which player you would rather have in light of those careers.
Sorry you weren’t following the discussion correctly…but for you I will spell it out again…if Marino and Plunkett were both 22 years old (and just for you; knowing what we know about their careers in the NFL) which one would you draft?
Has nothing to do with their college careers etc…no rational human being would select Plunkett over Marino.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Not comparing them as pro’s…was debating whether a GM who took Plunkett over Marino coming out of college should be fired.
The obvious answer is no, Plunkett was a sought-after prospect.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
don’t talk for me!!!!!!!!!!!
June 5th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
It’s kind of funny how Alston spent the last 3 years as a unknown, but then gets the chance to run a punt fake and grabs 20 yards or so and now he has a chance to fire up our LB corps. If Alston was anything more than a SP player, why wasn’t he on the field during games instead of Wakefield? He may look decent in OTA, but until he lays a hit and stops a running play, I’m not sold on the guy.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
There you go, Dakota — Typical. To save yourself a little face (which is unnecessary in this case), you change the “argument” to suit your purposes.
You said any GM who took Plunkett over Marino would/should be fired. You did not say AFTER we knew what their pro careers looked like.
But, if it makes you feel better, change the debate to fit your needs. In that case — what’s the point in having an even-handed and logical discourse?
Wasn’t trying to hurt your pride dede, just disagred with your post…the way YOU wrote it.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Hayes-and you can’t really compare their pro careers either.Plunkett played most of his career for a lousy org. with incompetent coaches.Marino played for a winning org. and a HOF coach.as Tomy says we don’t know how things would have turned out if each guy played on the others teams.all we do know is Marino put up great numbers and never won a SB while Plunkett won 2.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Joseph Frantz has a real shot to make this Raiders team. He has “football speed” — which doesn’t always translate to 40 times.
The key to a “slow” linebacker is to be in the right place at the right time. Frantz does that, and hopefully he can do that at an NFL speed. Plus, he likes to hit. Linebackers used to do that.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Raider O Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
SnB,
It sounds like you had an epiphany after the draft. lol
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Its true though. I don’t like saying it…but its true. The draft tells you a lot about a team. The Raiders are an outside in type of defense. Look where the money and high draft picks are dedicated too.
1. Drafted untold #’s of DBs with 1st day picks
2. Made CB the 2nd highest paid defensive player
3. All DEs and LBs drafted have more speed then power
Am I still a “little” upset that the Raiders neglected the DTs and SLB again? Yes….Do I think Mike Mitchell can be a good player? Yes. Look, given their strategy, its all finesse and speed. Heck, even the Nose Tackle is a pass rusher first. Plus the team rarely executes the blitz.
I just hope that Marshall can develop a sound defensive game plan to match this strategy. oh..and the offense better put some points too.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
HayesDaze37,
Franz Joseph has to significantly outperform Ricky Brown to get a shot. He also has to outperform Alston and Brown on special teams. I just don’t see it happening. His speed has to get better. The Raiders speed based finesse offense puts more of a premium on speed (not just being in the right place) than it does on hitting power.
June 5th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Only thing I compared was their “coming out” expectations, not their pro careers.
The discussion morphed when Dakota realized he made a questionable point, and had to change it to make sure we all knew he wasn’t wrong. No biggie, I get it.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Joseph knows how to play football. Sure, he’s got to out-perform some to make it…
but, there are injuries every nyear, and players with good football instinct find a way to make the team.
I’m counting on him to do that.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Lol, I don’t need to try and save face. We weren’t discussing Plunkett and Marino’s college profiles, we were discussing their NFL careers and HOF worthiness. Sorry if I wasn’t clear enough for you Haysedaze.
So Lefty, now that Haysedaze has cleared everything up for you, lol, knowing what you know now (for our slower contributors) about Marino and Plunkett and if they were both 22 years old which one would you take as your QB?
June 5th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Good deflection, Dakota. You make good points sometimes, but you sure are stubborn.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Hayzedaze, don’t get mad because you butted into a conversation and missed the point entirely. I’ve done it before too, nothing to be ashamed about and nothing to start crying like a biotch about either.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Hayes,that’s exactly why i don’t even try to have a discussion with him anymore.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
All I did was respond to your statement, that you wrote…and then to make your point, you changed the tone of the whole convo by taking the personal shot. I didn’t at you, even though it was obvious you were changing the discussion in the middle to suit your argument. I missed the point? I saw the point, Dakota…the point of your double-edge.
Call a truce, dude. You win, if you want it that badly.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
lefty12 Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Hayes,that’s exactly why i don’t even try to have a discussion with him anymore.
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That’s funny since it was you reponding to one of my posts that started the conversation.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
HayesDaze37,
If we had been talking about Marino’s college career and Plunkett’s college career then you had a very valid point, I wouldn’t argue a bit with your conclusions. You had a brilliant point! Maybe the post of the day. You are great and special. Congratulations! High five!
I’m sorry I wasn’t clear enough for you in my post. My apologies.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
comment not discussion.i was having a discussion with Dude who doesn’t put words in peoples mouths and say they say things they don’t.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Oh schit, I’ve gone and pissed off everyone again…damn it…I hate it when I do that!
June 5th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
This is not being weak Dakota. When you march into the belly of the beast and say these words:
Around the world, the Juwish people were persecuted for centuries, and anti-Semitism in Europe culminated in an unprecedented Holocaust. Tomorrow, I will visit Buchenwald, which was part of a network of camps where Juws were enslaved, tortured, shot and gassed to death by the Third Reich. Six million Juws were killed — more than the entire Juwish population of lsrael today. Denying that fact is baseless, it is ignorant, and it is hateful. Threatening lsrael with destruction — or repeating vile stereotypes about Juws — is deeply wrong, and only serves to evoke in the minds of lsraelis this most painful of memories while preventing the peace that the people of this region deserve.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Lefty, I did notice you were ignoring me…hurt my feelings.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Actually, KK — It is weak to come in here and just throw out a comment to start a NON-FOOTBALL political argument.
This isn’t the forum, KK — take it to newsweek. com or someplace else.
We want to argue about football, and all the stupid things people say and do regarding the sports world in here. We (ostensibly) come in here to get away from the politics of the “real” world as far as that’s possible.
Take a better stab, KK.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
C’mon, Jerry — the day’s getting longer…
June 5th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
KK,
Germany is the Belly of the Beast? Is it 1938 or 2009? He should have said that in Egypt, a nation full of people that still want to wipe out the J3ws…not in Germany where they have been whipped puppies for 60 years.
Still kind of weak, but getting better.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Hayes Dayz,
Whos Joseph Frantz?
June 5th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Dang KK, I gotta go again. You can always e-mail me at fukeurope@yahoo.com if you want to take our discussions out of this forum.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Dakota,i know we don’t see many things eye to eye but i enjoy a good conversation.i don’t like it when people take something someone says and changes it around or says they are saying something they’re not.
btw,laugh all you want,but i’d take Plunkett over Marino even with Marino’s gaudy passing stats.i’d rather win SBs.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Sorry HayseDayze and Lefty12…I’ll try to be more clear next time!!!
Lefty12, come on man, forgive me…I promise I wont try to put words in your mouth again…come on Lefty!
Lefty, come on!!!
Lefty12!!! I know you can hear me….
June 5th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
PEACE!!!!!!
June 5th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Would you rather have Trent Dilfer? Brad Johnson? Doug Williams? Eli Manning? etc. etc. etc.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Oh, there you are Lefty…I hear you man, I am sorry if I did that to you…I’ll try not to do that anymore…was it the Brett Favre thing I said? Never mind, it doesn’t matter…I get argumentative sometimes and I tend to be passive aggressive in trying to steer a conversation by trapping a person with a question they don’t want to answer…one of my faults but it works well in my field.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Here’s your 53 man roster (barring injuries)
3 – QB: Russell, Garcia, (Gratkowski or Southwick)
2 – FB: Neal, O’Neal
3 – RB: DMAC, Bush, Fargas
6 – WR: DHB, Schilens, JLH, Walker, Murphy, Watkins
3 – TE: Miller, Stewart, Myers
4 – T: Henderson, Barnes, Pears, Green
4 – G: Gallery, Carlisle, McQuistan, Morris
2 – C: Satele, Wade
27 offense
5 – DE: Scott, Burgess, Shaughnessy, Sulak, Richardson
4 – DT: Kelly, Warren, Sands, Boschetti
6 – LB: Morrison, Howard, Brown, Alston, Norris, Ekijuba
4 – S: Eugene, Branch, Mitchell, Huff
4 – CB: Aso, CJ, Routt, Miller
3 – STs: Jano, Lechler, Condo
26 defense
Total 53 players
June 5th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Dakota,
You are in retail too!!
June 5th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Frantz Joseph, Joseph Frantz. Just hit, kid. Well…get there in time, first.
And Dakota — Maybe you should know what the guy said, and where, before criticizing a speech you obviously disagreed with before it was given. (Damn! See what you did, KK!)
Objectivity…what a concept.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Hayes,
You watch alot of Josephs college games??
June 5th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Seen enough to know the kid puts himself in the right place. He’s a player. Can’t say much more.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Damn it HayseDayze you got me on that one!
June 5th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
i gotta go but-Dilfer-no,i’d actually take Marino.Manning-yes.the other 2-no preference.i believe if Plunkett had played for a better team early in his career there would be no question about how good he really was.after the beating he took in NE most guys would have never recovered.therefore he gets some slack in my mind.if others don’t feel the same way,so be it.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
I thought KK was quoting his Obama’s speech in Germany today…that’s what I get for not looking it up…damn! KK is going to kill me with that one.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
So how many of Josephs games you watch? My guess: ZERO
How many youtube highlights you seen? My guess: 1
Using youtube to base an opinion on a guy: priceless
June 5th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
O-don’t know,but it sounds like law enforcement to me.LOL
June 5th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Have a great weekend Lefty.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Lefty,
I always thought he was a CIA agent!!
June 5th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Dudes -
Don’t you think you’re putting in way too much time and effort into dissecting Krappy’s latest delusional ramblings?
I mean, seriously – the old goat’s head has been microwaved more times than a Lean Cuisine.
Right now he’s probably stumbling through a fast food drive through in the nude. And this is the guy who you think is worthy of political debate?
Personally I’d rather argue with a stop sign than someone with a fresh dump in his pants.
But that’s just me.
June 5th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
possibly attorney.later guys(and any gals).
June 5th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Attorney!! Yes, that makes sense!! Part time agent!! lol
June 5th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Have a good day Gents, and a safe weekend.
Later Nation.
June 5th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
ndianaRaider Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
It’s kind of funny how Alston spent the last 3 years as a unknown, but then gets the chance to run a punt fake and grabs 20 yards or so and now he has a chance to fire up our LB corps. If Alston was anything more than a SP player, why wasn’t he on the field during games instead of Wakefield? He may look decent in OTA, but until he lays a hit and stops a running play, I’m not sold on the guy.
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Alston was our starting strongside LB for most of the 2nd half of the season. Wakefield never played a down at LB.
June 5th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Does anybody have the over/under on how many Krispy Kreme stores, Russell hit today. To score a free donut?
June 5th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Everybody’s fired up this time of year, Jerry.
June 5th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Dude — I’ve seen more real, old-fashioned football film and video than just about anyone who visits this blog. Told you I haven’t seen much on Joseph. Point you’re trying to make? That I’m not entitled to an opinion about his football instincts (from having seen more of him than just on youtube, btw)?
I ain’t Vince Lombardi, or even the legendary Lance Kiffin — but I’ve played and coached at numerous levels, and I know just a little bit about the points I make, generally.
Now, your point again?
June 5th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
I suppose Alston gets it. Yes he rec’d a new contract, but there are Stryker, Slade and FranzJosefLand added and ready to fight their ways onto the NFL roster. Jon-Boy knows he cain’t be slackin’ or the NotForLong will become his legacy. May the best men win.
June 5th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
“legendary Lance Kiffen”…
good one.
June 5th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
And Nixon as well. May the best men etc etc
June 5th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
More stats from the scene of the crime:
Darrell Green, over 20-years:
54 Ints
621 Yds
6 tds
7x Pro Bowl
4x All Pro
2 SB wins
Lester Hayes, over 10 years:
39 Ints
572 Yds
4 Td’s
5x Pro Bowl
6x All Pro
1980 Def Player-O-Yr(13 Ints+5 in greatest CB yr ever)
2 SB wins
It is a football crime that the great Raider Lester Hayes #37 isn’t in the HOF.
June 5th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Too bad that Inonewordraider had a basic reply from the asinine MR to start this thread. Yes, Flores and Plunkett deserve HOF and all kudos for their careers as football players and coach and Super Bowl successes.
June 5th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Poor Tom Flores. Al Davis sucks away all the credit from him.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
HayesDaze,
yes, your stats read perfectly well. Add Branch’s v. the soft Swann and read anti-Raider bias into the equation.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
There you go, KK — Al’s the reason Flores isn’t in the HOF? One of the more absurd things you’ve said in here, and that says something.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Lonetree — Look above, Branch is mentioned earlier. Branch is the #1 Raider on the list of players who are getting screwed by HOF voters. He may be the #1 player not already there, from any team, who should be in the HOF.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
It’s true. Flores is considered a Al Davis puppet.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
HayesDaze
Even you have to admit, that it’s nice to have an elegant President for a change.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
KoolKell ,
i don`t know about that kk.tom flores does`nt get the respect he deserves because it is believed he won with madden`s team.i don`t agree myself.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Flores is considered an Al Davis employee, KK. He owes his great career accomplishments to one Al Davis for putting his faith in him, and giving him the support group necessary to win two Super Bowls. Then, Al gave Tom Flores and his players all the credit and glory for their success.
Al isn’t keeping Flores out of the HOF, KK. Come around a little, man.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
I’m just talking perception. And Al is a glory hound.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Hayes
Are you a local guy?
June 5th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
KK — What does having an eloquent prez have to do with football (other than White House visits)? Of course, I’m excited when our dignitaries can speak English well.
But, you came in here with baited hook for a political debate, and this ain’t the joint for it. LMN’s not even here to spew his anti-US views. It would’ve been just you and Dakota…and nobody wants to watch that boring debate.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
There are a lot of boring debates in here nobody want’s to watch. I don’t get to say, and either do you.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
I been local off-and-on for 45+ years. Can’t say too much.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
HayesDaze,
you must know that when someone declares that others are puppets of Al Davis they are are actually being puppets themselves. What else would you call it that whenever a subject comes up the first reaction is to lay all blame upon AD? A string is pulled, a marionette reacts. Reflexive knee-jerking it could be called. With added pre-ordained verbiage.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Let’s have a drink, KK. Let me get another beer. Eyeballing some 1800, it’s a powerful draw right now. Entice me to spend happy-hour here.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
I’m drinkin hot sake right now. Get’s right into your bloodstream, quick.
June 5th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
MEDICAL UPDATE: Defensive tackle Ryan Boschetti missed the second OTA with a chest injury incurred lifting weights. Fullback Oren O’Neal (knee) and wide receiver Javon Walker (knee) aren’t likely to play until training camp. Tight end Zach Miller (sports hernia) suited up for the first time since offseason surgery and went through drills but did not participate in team sessions. Gerard Warren sat out with a pectoral strain. Jay Richardson was out with a knee issue but should return for next week’s OTA. Guard/tackle Mark Wilson sat out the OTA with back spasms.
June 5th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Bottom Raider line: Tackle, tackle, tackle, none if this leaving a circle in the dirt. If you let LT SD put whipped dog, shame in us again, you are toast.
We are Al Davis’s Raiders. We don’t care if you are a Green, three legged Martian, if you can put the hammer down, and “Just help us Win,” we want you. Let race, color or planet be damned, “Just Win Baby!”
June 5th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
If you’re going to play a smallish SAM linebacker better hope some one on the D can diagnose plays and make the right calls to gain the advantage of that speed.
That hasn’t been Morrison.
Lets hope this year…
June 5th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Let’s have a drink, KK. Let me get another beer. Eyeballing some 1800, it’s a powerful draw right now. Entice me to spend happy-hour here.
=====================
Might I suggest Husong’s Tequila?
None of the charcoal and artificial colorings that make you si9cker than a dawg.
June 5th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
KK — What does having an eloquent prez have to do with football (other than White House visits)? Of course, I’m excited when our dignitaries can speak English well.
But, you came in here with baited hook for a political debate, and this ain’t the joint for it. LMN’s not even here to spew his anti-US views. It would’ve been just you and Dakota…and nobody wants to watch that boring debate.
=========================
LMN earned the right by fighting for our country.
No need for the Government to censor us when we do it ourselves.
Any where, anytime is the right time and place to discuss the fact there is something terribly wrong with this country…
June 5th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
huh?
June 5th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Double huh??
June 5th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
echo?
June 5th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Looks as if Jon Alston agrees with my assesment of the defensive talent and what the problems are (discipline and technigue) now if only I could convince the MistaBrown. ….it’s keeping me up nights!
MistaBrown it seems that I’m not alone in my views, what do you think? Do I have your approval you wannabe GM? Also Kirk Morrison and T Howard echo what Jon had to say.
Mistabrown since I’m such a know nothing what is your opinion of the these players comments on the defensive issues, since I’m so dumb? And you’re so much smarter than the players and you mock my opinion which they seem to agree with?
What say you?
June 5th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
I like how Inman had nothing objective to say about the Raiders. Nothing but how the players are undisciplined and no one showed up to practice. C’mon. Enought of all that already. Meanwhile Singletary is Coach of the Year candidate? Please. We will see when its go-time. Maybe he can drop his pants for his team again. But oh yeah, that is inspired coaching, not acting an ass.
Whatever.
Obviously a hater.
GO RAIDERS
June 5th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
echo?
chamber?
June 5th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
I was reading a discussion between Lefty12 and SnB on Plunkett and Marino.
My thoughts are this. If both Marino and Plaunkett were rookies I would select Plunkett hands down. I saw both in college and attended many of Plunketts games at Stanford. Plunkett was an incredible athlete in the mold of John Elway 6′ 2″ 230 could run extremely strong as QB’s go. Had an arm similar to Russell he was IMO the single best college QB I have ever seen bar none. He played in a pro style offense Sam Wyche was his QB coach on the offensive staff was Dick Vermiel, Bill Walsh, Sam Wyche and Mike White. It may have been the greatest coaching staff ever assembled. The HC was John Ralston. The DC was Rod Rust one of the better DC’s in NFL history.
Jim Plunkett was ready to start early in his career at NE the first victory came against a stacked Oakland Raider team and he just picked us apart. Dan Marino also was NFL ready early in his career but he had a much better coach and team. Plunkett was beaten to a pulp while Marino enjoyed early success and a very good team. But Plunkett drug NE to every victory that rookie season Marino enjoyed wonderful protection and had great recievers.
The NFL never saw the Plunkett that they should’ve seen, if they had he would’ve been they single best QB ever…………period
June 5th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
testing, testing, 1, 2….
June 5th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Flip flip flip!!!
Flop flop flop!!!
June 5th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Jon Alston will be in the NFL film highlights with many titles on his famous run with JLH on that punt return for a touch down.
I remember he was escorting JLH and had lost his helmet, picked it up and carried it with him as he escorted JLH into the endzone.
I guess Jon Alston can be seen on the NFL films funniest moments, great head shots, abnormal occurances during a game.
Whatever the NFL film crew chooses John will always be a Raider in the highlight, and this will give him special spot for us,the fans, as we will never forget his speed and courage racing down ready to block someone, without his helmet.
Good stuff.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Raider O
Where are you?
June 5th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Dell,
He has heart, and now a body to go with it! He added 20 pounds.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
San Diego sir.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
lol
June 5th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Raider O
I have a question for you. Don’t worry I will not turn into dude.
This blog has broken down everthing up to this point, but yet we have not really spoken or written about the coaches Cable brought on board.
Any thoughts on likes and dislikes, or who will we hate or who will we want to see go.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
I used to own options for Qualcomm, before the split and all!! I could have made over 60k, but I ended up making Nothing!!
June 5th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
Dell,
Tone honest with you sir, I don’t know much about the OCs. And the only few things I know about Marshall and Board are from what I have read after they became Raiders.
From what I read about Board and Marshall, I was very impressed. Helped Seattle go from the worst Defense in the league, to the top 15 in one year!!
June 5th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Trolls 35
What do we owe your time tonight to!
June 5th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
To be honest.. Sorry.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
# Raider Dell Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Trolls 35
What do we owe your time tonight to!
Dell I’ve been here every night
In spirit 
June 5th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Dell,
Post 228, is one of the reasons why I’m a finance Major. I knew there was a lot of money to be made in that sector,but I needed to learn how to make it. lol
June 5th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Raider O
My biggest concern is the offensive staff, the youth of this team is on that side of the ball.
I’m aware of Tollner, Hackett and Michalzik, as the coaches that have been in the league a long time or have coached at many levels.
I’m just wondering about the young coaches, like Lal,Henry, Morgan.
Will they be able to add energy and discipline to the guys and how much are they in regards to great teachers.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Dell,
You can’t play the game and win, if you don’t know the rules!!
June 5th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Dell,
You are asking the wrong the guy sir, BHP knows coaches a lot better than I do.
I look more at players!!
June 5th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Raider O
The technology sector has not been a sector that has done well lately or even in it’s best days.
Let me provide another lesson to you, of course free of charge.
you are looking at a sector, I’m looking at a section.
The best sector in the section of the world is the emerging market. Look no further than Russia, China, and many others, all the markets that surround countries that supply not cheap labor but have resources to reduced costs.
Vietnam Laos, Cambodia are emerging. Why do you think North Korea wants to shoot missles, yet they want part of the action.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Raider O Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Dell,
You are asking the wrong the guy sir, BHP knows coaches a lot better than I do.
I look more at players!!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Raider O
You are looking at the hour glass wrong again.
Good coaching will provide better results. Remember past performance doesn’t indicate future results.
Ask Peyton Manning how he feels about Tom Moore leaving, good coaching is a staple, it is needed to solidfy a football player.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Dell,
When I bought those Q options, I was only 20 yrs old. That was back in 99 and 2000.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Were they non Q or Q options. And what was the hold of those options before you could of sold them.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Dell,
My last investment was RE in Jordan. It’s a great time to but there, land is cheap, and steel prices went down.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Buy, sorry.
They were one year options, and I can’t remember if they were Non Q options. I have been trying to remember, but that was 10 years ago. I remember the 4:1 split
June 5th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Raider O
You fell into my type of investor regarding the Qualcomm options.
Would a could a should a=
WACASA= Wacky angry clients are stupid asses.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Goodnight O
I’ll catch you later.
June 5th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
I remember I bought 2 options for 10k, 1yr options, and 100 stocks per/ at $50. I think the stick was at $170+. it was a good buy, but I didn’t sell after the split. I had insider info that that deal with China was going to happen before the end of my option. I was wrong!! lol
June 5th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Dell,
Good night sir, and thank you for the free education.
June 5th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
By the way, the Q options were my 1st investment.
June 5th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Don’t bother BHP, you cannot reason people out of a position they have not reasoned themselves into.
June 5th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Good night gents, later Nation.
June 5th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
It’d be awesome if Mitchell and Branch were the second coming of Atkinson and Tatum…. I think that it’s about time for Oakland to bring back the “Criminal Element” Lol
June 6th, 2009 at 12:25 am
Alston had a couple of nice stops vs the run in the backfield towards the end of the year that caught my eye. I think that caught the eye of the staff coming in and looking at film too.
if he happens to put it together, in year 4, coupled with his athleticism, watch out! he is dynamic.
(funny thing is I always got him in Madden and bulked him up to 235 too to be a effective ST and situational player and the other guys in our league would complain “ah man you cant put on 20 pounds over an offseason???”. well YES I CAN MFs HAHAHAHAAAAAA!!!!!!)
….but almost never used him in running situations. never thought he can use his athletisicism and be tough enough to make plays in the backfield but there he was like i said a couple of times at the end of the season where he did just that, blow it up behind the LOS. IN RREAL LIFE!!! looks like we got our third man at LB folks…
June 6th, 2009 at 6:03 am
[...] LB Jon Alston has put on nearly 20 pounds in an attempt to nail down a spot on the strong [...]
June 6th, 2009 at 6:33 am
I hope Frantz Joseph can hang on 2B our future MLB
June 6th, 2009 at 8:02 am
What’s up 4eva .
June 6th, 2009 at 8:22 am
just reading the morning paper NMF
June 6th, 2009 at 8:30 am
[...] Read more. [...]
June 6th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Dakota Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
June 5th, 2009 at 11:26 am
I clearly need new people.
__________________
Yes…heads must roll.”
Heads have rolled.
June 6th, 2009 at 8:34 am
good Saturday Dogg!!!
June 6th, 2009 at 8:35 am
and NMF!!!
June 6th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Good to see my boy Alston getting some pub, he deserves it. He has been working his ass off all off season and it is paying off.
I expect to see some big things from this kid, and not just on ST.
June 6th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Right back at ya forever.
How was that pork loin yesterday?
June 6th, 2009 at 8:38 am
why did I type “forever”? Man I am not awake yet obviously.
What up 4eva!
There that’s better.
June 6th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Do you guys remember that fake punt last year when Alston was the up man and he took the direct snap? Not only did he get the first down, but he looked good with the ball in his hands.
Not only is this kid a LB, he is a FOOTBALL PLAYER.
June 6th, 2009 at 8:46 am
thats ok Dogg
the pork is killer
I will never 4get your boy Alston pushing 4 Fargas’s job on that fake punt.I went crazy yelling!!!
Man if only somebody,who will remain name-less would prepair like your boy we would be unstoppable =)
June 6th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Why are we talking about a player who started a few games on defense. We should be assesing DMAC. Will he be the next Feature Back or just a bust due to bieng injury prone. I remember back in Arkansas he got into a bar fight and suffered a broken toe. Maybe he has been suffering from a chronic toe injury its probably biting him in the ass now. Which is not good for us. But im pushing for a Pro Bowl season this year.
June 6th, 2009 at 8:57 am
When guys work their arses off in the off season its noticeable and you always here people talking about how great a shape a guy is in or how he lost weight or put on some muscle. Which is obviously the case with Alston. On the flip side, when a guy rolls in looking like he sat on the couch all winter long you also hear about it. Case in point: Russell. However Raider fan runs with the story on Alston but screams “Haters!!” about the Russell reports. Its hypocrisy at its finest. Guys like Alston who work their arse off and prepare like a true pro should look at Russell’s lazy attitude as a slap in the face because no matter what the rest of the club does to prepare for the season if Russell stays his current course it will be all for not. Sucks that one guy can bring a whole team down with him.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Russell will be fine. He has all the intangibles to be a great QB. I really dont care if he has an extra few pounds. Have you seen this guy move. With all that size and weight that is unbelievable. He will be great. Just keep DMAC healthy and watch Russell’s stats go through the roof. DMAC will use his superb talents to gain YAC. This will be great when Russell dumps it off alot.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Russell could launch the LASER passes period. Just keep him launching the LASER passes with a few touch passes and we are GOOD TO GO.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:10 am
Russell has NONE of the intangibles to be a great QB. Put the beer down and take off your rose colored glasses. He is lazy, he isnt a gym rat, he has a whatever attitude, he isnt a leader, he isnt accurate and he seems to not care whether the team wins or loses. The only thing he has going for him is his big arm. Thats it thats all.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:10 am
I agree whole-heartedly Dude
June 6th, 2009 at 9:11 am
I got a great idea…Alston should beat the daylights out of Jmac and knock him into shape =)
June 6th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Russell COULD do alot of things, but he doesnt.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Russell was about one thing from the beginning. GETTN PAID. Said so himself. Now that he has, he just dont give a f…
June 6th, 2009 at 9:13 am
The Colts had won the AFC Eastern Division Championship in 1999 with a 13-3-0 record, second best regular season record in the National Football League that year. The Indianapolis team had one of those rare offensive threesomes that head coaches swear by- and defensive coordinators swear at. Quarterback Peyton Manning, running back Edgerrin James and wide receiver Marvin Harrison are great players, among the league’s very best at their respective positions. All three were first round draft pick choices – Harrison the 19th pick in round one in 1996, Manning the number one pick of the entire draft in 1998, and James the fourth pick in round one in 1999. Manning led the AFC in passing in ’99, throwing for 4,135 yards. James was the top rusher in the entire NFL in ’99, gaining 1,553 yards on the ground, scoring 102 points on 17 touchdowns and rushing for over 100 yards in 10 of his 16 league games. Harrison was second in the NFL in receptions in 1999, with 115 catches and first in reception yardage with 1,663 yards. He had nine 100-yard games last year.
WE HAVE THE QB; WE HAVE THE RB AND WE HOPEFULLY HAVE THE WR TO AT LEAST GET CLOSE TO THESE STATS.
The Indianapolis team had one of those rare offensive threesomes that head coaches swear by- and defensive coordinators swear at.
THE RAIDERS NEED THIS
June 6th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Russell will never be anywhere close to Peyton Manning. Manning has ALL the intangibles and skills of a great QB. He is a great QB. Only an idiot would dare mention Manning and Russell in the same sentence.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:16 am
I just wonder, if Russell excels, if all of you people that have been bagging on him since day 1 will actually have the stones to say “I was wrong”.
I won’t hold my breath.
The same goes for all of the DHB bashers in the media.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:17 am
LMFAO at the comment about “at least getting close to those stats”.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Jmac need 2 step-up or step-out,imo.I was all 4 giving him 3 years.He sat out 1,played last year and now this up-comming season makes 3.Do or Die biotch
June 6th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Russell – 3 different play callers in a span of one season, not one complaint from JaMarcus.
Manning – the same play caller his entire career, finally gets a new play caller and he’s b1tching about it in May.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:18 am
I hope I have to put hot sauce on and eat every word I have said about Russell. I just dont see it happening.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:18 am
I GUESS YOU GUYS FEEL THAT THE LAST 6 GAMES RUSSELL PLAYED WERE FLUKES. YOU CANT WIN GAMES ON YOUR BACK. WHEN HENDERSON WAS IN THERE HIS PROTECTION WAS GOOD BUT NOT GREAT. HE HAD TIME TO READ THE DEFENSE AND WAS ABLE TO FIND THE OPEN MAN. ALSO WHEN HE WAS COMING OUT OF COLLEGE THE SCOUTS STATED THAT HE WAS ABLE TO READ AND TEAR UP ZONE DEFENSES. I FEEL RUSSELL WILL BE GOOD ENOUGH TO MANAGE THE GAME. HIS TD /INT RATIO SAYS IT ALL.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:20 am
His td/int ratio says nothing. He was handled with kid gloves all year and he is as inaccurate a QB as there is in the league.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Dude Says:
June 6th, 2009 at 9:18 am
“I hope I have to put hot sauce on and eat every word I have said about Russell. I just dont see it happening.”
I will have more respect for you then, cuz now it seems that all you do is talk sh1t based on pure speculation and opinion, not fact. I’ll believe it when I see it.
I won’t hold my breath.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Ummm….Russell dznt complain cause he doent CARE. He dont give a f about who his coaches are as long as his check comes every 2 weeks.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Whats the speculation?
June 6th, 2009 at 9:22 am
I will gladly be the 1st 2 say I was wrong Dogg,but like Dude said:It’s a cold slap in the face 2 your boy Alston and the Fargas’s of the team who would DIE 4 the chance 2 play 4 Da Raiders.I mean I just dont understand Jmac’s attitude.Hell you would,I would,Dude would we ALL would be like Alston,I mean 2B the very best,what other way is there???
June 6th, 2009 at 9:24 am
WE WILL WIN AT LEAST 9 GAMES THIS YEAR AND IM NOT DRINKING THE KOOL AID. WE WILL WIN AT LEAST 5 GAMES ON DMAC’S TALENT ALONE AND THE REST OF THE 4 WILL BE WON BY ABOVE AVERAGE DEFENSIVE PLAYS AND DECENT GAME MANAGING PASS PLAYS BY RUSSELL.
AS LONG AS LAZY RUSSELL IS SITTING ON THE COUCH WATCHING GAME FILM ALL DAY THAT GOOD FOR ME.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Good Morning gents.
The last 7 game he played well.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:27 am
4eva
I can see you being accountable, you seem like a stand up guy.
But how do ANY of you know ANYTHING about JaMarcus’ work habits? You guys see a guy partying at an after party and all of a sudden he doesn’t work hard? Come on now.
You mentioned Fargas earlier, I see him making videos with Yukmouth and a bunch of weed.
Maybe you guys should focus more on the game itself, instead of the players life outside of football. Ken Stabler drank whiskey DURING GAMES!
In this age of information too many people take speculation and claim it as fact.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Well maybe after playing 1 year in the NFL,Jmac see’s he’s not in Kansas(or where-ever)anymore.I was waaay excited over him at the end of the year.But then he comes into camp,and as the leader of the team,he would come in like Alston,but no.Like I said I dont understand this,but I am 4 Jmac 1000%
June 6th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Later gents, have a good day. I’m off to go sailing.
Good luck with all of your JaMarcus bashing, many of you be ready to eat your words.
Sometimes it feels like some of you ARE ROOTING for Russell to fail. Like the media with DHB, all because everyone just wants to be able to say “I told you so” or “I was right”.
Maybe it’s because the Raiders have been awful for 6 years and some of you have been wrong too many times in the past.
Whatever it is, GET OVER IT and maybe actually root for your team to succeed. What a concept.
The bottom line is I ain’t mad at any of you.
Have a good day
June 6th, 2009 at 9:35 am
WOW thats an excellent arguement Dogg.I must admit I know NOTHING of Jmac’s work ethic.But 2 me it dosent look like Alstons,of which I know nothing of his work ethic either.Sometimes 1 picture can say 1000 words,and I got nothing against parting,smoking what-ever or even being drunk in the huddle:
JUST WIN BABY!!!
June 6th, 2009 at 9:36 am
I believe Russell love to play the game and he will be fine come week 1 verses our arch NEMESIS LADANIAN TOMLINSON.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:38 am
4eva
Like I said, you are a stand up guy and I appreciate that. It’s rare on this blog when someone at least takes a look at another perspective. People don’t always have to agree, but when someone takes the time to try to understand where another is coming from it is refreshing.
Have a good day and have a daquiri for me bro.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:39 am
RaiderDogg Says:
All you do is ASSUME you know what you are talking about. Are you close to JaMarcus or anyone else on the team for that matter? NO you are not. So how would you have any idea what really goes on behind closed doors.
You have no idea and you are just talking out of your ass.
In this age of information too many people take speculation and claim it as fact.
——————
Here here, Dude just incites & runs, thinks his opinion is fact. Thanks for stating it for all to see, Dogg. He sounds more like O’Reilly everyday.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:39 am
9-7 BABY
June 6th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Later Dogg.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Sailing Away you make sure you come back 2 us Dogg!!!
June 6th, 2009 at 9:46 am
DOES ANY ONE HAVE FAITH THAT THIS IS THE YEAR WE AT LEAST GO OVER 500
June 6th, 2009 at 9:48 am
I do, 8-8 or better. I can feel it!
June 6th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Playing Denver twice & KC twice, yes we can go .500. I’m hoping for more.
June 6th, 2009 at 10:11 am
MY GUESS IS IF WE BEAT SAN DIEGO TWICE WE GO TO THE PLAYOFFS AND IF WE DON THEN WE GET AT LEAST 8-8
June 6th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Suspect J
I believe it’s spelled
Lady Tomlinson =)
June 6th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Is Alston a Big AL pick???
June 6th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
I can answer this
He was a third-round draft pick, No. 77 overall, by the St. Louis Rams, playing in three games before he was waived after his first season. He was claimed by the Raiders in part on the recommendation of former coach Lane Kiffin, who recalled Alston running down Reggie Bush when Kiffin was co-offensive coordinator at Southern Cal.
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