TSN rankings: Marshall over Ryan
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, June 6th, 2009 at 3:19 pm in Oakland Raiders.
It remains to be seen whether the Raiders will play better defense under John Marshall than they did under Rob Ryan, but according to a top 20 ranking by the Sporting News, the Raiders have upgraded in that area.
RealScouts, a group of former NFL scouts utilized by TSN, ranks Marshall No. 12 in its top 20 defensive coordinators. Ryan, who departed the Raiders after his contract expried and was hired in Cleveland by Eric Mangini, was ranked No. 20.
Marshall is the third-ranked defensive coordinator in the AFC West, trailing Denver’s Mike Nolan (huh?) at No. 7 and Clancy Pendergast of Kansas City at No. 12, and ahead of San Diego’s Ron Rivera at No. 14.
Meanwhile, RealScouts ranked former Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp of Seattle (No. 14) ahead of current passing game coordinator Ted Tollner (No 19).
In ranking NFL head coaches 1 through 32, Tom Cable was rated No. 30, ahead of only Tampa Bay’s Raheem Morris and Denver’s Josh McDaniels.
Other RealScouts top-ranked players and where Raiders and AFC West players are ranked in the top 20 (centers and fullbacks were ranked through 10; return specialists through 15):
Quarterback– Peyton Manning, Indianapolis. JaMarcus Russell is not ranked. San Diego quarterback Philip Rivers is No. 6 and Kansas City’s Matt Cassel is No. 20.
Running backs–Adrian Peterson, Minnesota. Darren McFadden is ranked No. 12. San Diego running back LaDainian Tomlinson is ranked No. 8.
Wide receivers– Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona. No Raiders receivers are ranked. Denver wide receiver Brandon Marshall is No. 17.
Tight ends– Jason Witten, Dallas. Raiders tight end Zach Miller is ranked No. 12. San Diego tight end Antonio Gates is ranked No. 5.
Fullbacks– Greg Jones, Jacksonville. No Raiders fullbacks are ranked in the top 10 (voting tabulated before Lorenzo Neal signed as a free agent). Denver fullback Peyton Hillis is ranked No. 10.
Guards– Steve Hutchinson, Minnesota. Raiders left guard Robert Gallery is ranked No. 12. Chiefs guard Brian Waters is No. 3, Chargers Kris Dielman is No. 5.
Tackles– Ryan Clady, Denver. No Raiders tackles are ranked. San Diego’s Marcus McNeil is No. 18.
Centers– Nick Mangold, New York Jets. Raiders center Samson Satele is not ranked in the top 10 (nor is former center Jake Grove). Chargers center Nick Hardwick is No. 2.
Defensive ends– Jared Allen, Minnesota. No Raiders or AFC West defensive ends are ranked.
Defensive tackles– Albert Haynesworth, Washington. No Raiders defensive tackles are ranked. San Diego tackles Luis Castillo (a 3-4 end) and Jamal Williams are ranked Nos. 9 and 12.
Outside linebackers– DeMarcus Ware, Dallas. No Raiders outside linebackers were ranked. Most picks were outside pass rushers in a 3-4 defense. San Diego’s Shawne Merriman was ranked No. 3 and Shaun Phillips No. 14.
Inside linebackers– Brian Urlacher, Chicago. Raiders middle linebacker Kirk Morrison is ranked No. 10.
Cornerbacks– Nnamdi Asomugha, Raiders. Chris Johnson is not ranked. Denver’s Champ Bailey is ranked No. 3. San Diego’s Antonio Cromartie is No. 7. DeAngelo Hall, a Raider for eight games last season, is somehow ranked No. 8.
Safeties– Ed Reed Baltimore. No Raiders safeties are ranked. Denver’s Brian Dawkins is ranked No. 7.
Place kickers– Stephen Gostkowski, New England. Raiders kicker Sebastian Janikowski is not ranked in the top 10, nor are any AFC West place kickers.
Punters– Shane Lechler, Raiders. San Diego punter Mike Scifres is No. 4 and Kansas City’s Dustin Colquitt No. 7 in the top 10.
Return specialist–Reggie Bush, New Orleans. Raiders punt returner Johnnie Lee Higgins was ranked No. 15.
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June 6th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
1st
June 6th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
WOW!!!!!!!!!!! 1st time ive logged in a month
June 6th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
JLH is better than 15…..IMHO
June 6th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Safety will change the 1st time MM takes out LT
June 6th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
Ryan, who departed the Raiders after his contract expried and was hired in Cleveland by Eric Mangini, was ranked No. 20.
ARE you kidding me? Why so high?
June 6th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Good question TW. I think its because his name has pedigree. It sure as heck isnt from his record as a DC.
RR will never be missed unless you’re a koolaid drinking buffoon by the name of O _ k _ _ _ n n or _ r _ _ s t _ _.
June 6th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Fargas was ranked no 500 behind a bunch of AFlI&II backs and couple of semi-pro guy too.
June 6th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Jerry I agree with TSN, cable sucks, I know you want to marry him, but as long as he is coach we will suck, or be slightly above sucking (in spite of him) prove me wrong.
June 6th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Those rankings are lame and who cares where you rank wins and loses the only true stats that count.
June 6th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
The only ranking that counts, is THE SCOREBOARD!
June 6th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Amen 909
June 6th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Oaklands not blowing smoke when they say their a good defense that needs to play more disciplined ball.
They watch the play back same as a lot of us and most of the big plays given up were over pursuit and lack of gap responsibility.
Over 80% of big runs came with 2nd-3rd stringers on the field too.
No excuses. At this level have to be able to play the game and not make rookie mistakes…over and over and over…
IF we play more disciplined and find a red zone offense we’ll do alright
June 6th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
Marshall’s running Al’s D so don’t expect huge changes, hopefully just better discipline.
June 6th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
In ranking Cable at 30th as a head coach, the comments, “rightly so,” added the statement that since Davis sticks his wrinkled, purple and green face into the coaching mess, cable ends up at 30. Of the 32 listed coaches, there were no comments from other owners sticking their fat faces into the coaching aspect. Of course we know that and we know the problem will continue while Davis is at the helm and we will continue to suck as a result.
June 6th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Hmmm, I read this rankings stuff, and thats what it is..Stuff.. How can Brady rank #2QB and be out for a whole year. That will tell you (me) all we need to know. A idea is more important than production. The Raiders will be judged on this years performance. I read this “stuff” but give it NO weight. Ita all opnion.. ASSuME. Looning forward to this year, I love the Raiders Good times ..not so good times. But always standing with my team
June 6th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Nnamdi21…post 14:
Hopefully you’re right, but I can’t help feeling, from past experience, that Davis will slowly input his no pressure ideas into the scheme of things. Davis doesn’t like to blitz, he’s too wrapped up in his man on man coverage which is great when have the CB’s we use to have in the seventies and early eighties, but those days are gone. Now, all we do is give our opponents all day to pass and as a result we can’t win. I just wish Davis would go away and go away as soon as possible. Maybe he can take Javon “let me throw $1500 bottles of bubbly” on you” Javon with him. What a costly loser he is and it’s on on Davis for bring him. Another great idea from the boss man. Wow, it doesn’t get any worst than that. Oh, wait, how about DeAngelo, he’s a close second, and another great idea from the boss man. Then there is Shell (2) and his great offensive coordinator, the “bed and breakfast man” from Idaho or Montana or wherever that dude came from?
June 6th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
NoMoreFargas Says:
June 6th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Fargas was ranked no 500 behind a bunch of AFlI&II backs and couple of semi-pro guy too.
and my sister =)
June 6th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Makes me mad that Seabass isn’t ranked though. Woouldn’t trade him for any of those guys.
June 6th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
TOM CABLE, just waiting to be played off by Keyboard Cat.
June 6th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Who the hell is Justin Fargas?
June 6th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
June 6th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Hard to complain too much. For a team that wins so little to have TWO top guys kinda kills any “hater” talk.
Cable #30? Well, yeah,for now. No coordinator experience. Win some games and he’ll go up.
OC? TOTALLY kills any hater talk. A passing coordinator the #20 OC ranking? Didn’t think he’d make the list.
Marshall v. Ryan and D Hall – Coaches and players who leave Oakland are given latitude because of THE AL SYSTEM. If Ryan goes nuts in Clev we’ll know it was Al’s defense not Ryans.
Russell – Hasn’t earned a top 20 yet.
DMAC? Wow. #12? Really? Talk about giving a guy ALOT of run for “potential”.
Morrison #10? Again…few sacks, Int’s, and MLB in 31st run D, Man, even kool aid drinkers don’t want him at MLB and they have him #10? At least D Hall was good year before last.
Kicker – For Jano to not be in the top 20 is the biggest ommission. Leads NFL BY FAR in touchbacks. Accurate inside 40 from grass, dirt etc…RAREKY kicks off turf. and attempts more 50+ yarders every year than any other kicker. What? Did he lose points for that fake FG bit versus KC?
Ok 2 Punt Returns for TDs would put JLH higher but remember early last year he was making big mistakes. That may have held him back.
ONLY ONE TOP 20 LINEMAN on offense and defense combined = baaaaaad news.
June 6th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
I wonder what the GM rankings reveal.
June 6th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
What Mark Sanchez isn’t top ten?
June 6th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
WOW how we react to one man’s opinion. Even if it’s several mens opinions. If you wantto take it as fact………so be it. I wouldn’t. I respect their opinions but anyone who doesan’t have T Howard as a top 5 OLB IMO has very little crediblility.
How ’bout we just play ball and then see what happens.
All this ‘who shot John’ is about as useful as wannabe the GM’s in here. These guy’s watch very little film and get there opinions from whatever source they trust.
It’s fine if that’s what you want, but it doesn’t win or lose games. So we’ll see.
June 6th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
priesttj Says:
June 6th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
WOW how we react to one man’s opinion.
butthole
you expect everyone to agree with you’re opinion 
But just because you 
don’t think that your sheit doesn’t smell doesn’t mean nobody else thinks that 
The Troll 
forever more.
June 6th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Are we confused, or what?
June 6th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Raiders 42,trolls 35,GAME OVER!!!!!!!!!! troll,gtfout,or perhaps,grow UP! On another note,could care less what other websites OPINIONS are,DO YOU? RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 7th, 2009 at 12:23 am
BHP
You sure whine about the sports media. For somebody who supposedly doesn’t care.
June 7th, 2009 at 12:57 am
Coach On Wheels: “Marshall v. Ryan and D Hall – Coaches and players who leave Oakland are given latitude because of THE AL SYSTEM. If Ryan goes nuts in Clev we’ll know it was Al’s defense not Ryans.”
No way, and I don’t know how or why this has become a talking point. What Rob Ryan does in Cleveland is nearly irrelevant. He’s got a different team, different scheme, different coach, different ownership with different expectations and a different group of players. It’s almost certain the defense he runs in Cleveland is going to be different from the Raiders, particularly because it’ll be a 3-4. I really feel like, maybe not you personally, but others like you are trying to sidestep the more intellectually honest point that what John Marshall does in Oakland will be the real determining factor regarding whether or not Al runs the defense. Probably because it’s already looking like his defense is going to be different.
Also, can anybody who believes that Al Davis “hates blitzing” explain why, on the Tuck play, the players in the backfield, on a passing play, were a cornerback and a linebacker? Oh, right, that’s because for three years Al Davis forgot he was a crazed megalomaniac on the edge of sanity and let Jon Gruden and Bruce Allen control everything, only to spontaneously remember later that he’s Al Davis and go back to controlling every aspect of the team, which is right when the Raiders started losing. I can’t even begin to follow the crazy it takes to think things like this. But yet, we’re the “kool aid drinkers” for not thinking that every coach besides the successful ones were mindless automatons of Al Davis.
June 7th, 2009 at 5:23 am
Ok, so Cable is ranked only ahead of 2 guys that haven’t coached yet…
then why isn’t he above, let’s say that guy at Seattle? He only won 4 games last year & six of them his team was blown out. Unless his ranking was in part reputation. In that case the whole thing is a sham. I wonder where Shanahan ranks??? Probably 1 or 3 if reputations count.
The NFL chnnl had the top ten Named games. the top 2 were the Raiders but they left out 2 more. The sea of hands & the Snow job. I’ll bet that last one was left out on purpose, how embarrasing for the NFL if the “Snow job” got in there. 2 of them were Bronco games!! Hell the Raiders had 4 games with nicknames before the Donkeys posted a personallity.
June 7th, 2009 at 5:36 am
Man cited for cursing about cat feces left in his yard is acquitted
It took a jury just 15 minutes to return with a not guilty verdict. The man who was cursed at said after the trial: “A little piece of America died today when a jury of six says it’s OK to curse in front of a 13-year-old when asked not to.”
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F@ck that 13yr old little p*ssy & his weasel d!cked father! They must have been bornagainers. Freedom of speech extends to cat s#!+ in your yard, f@ck that cat bytheway too!!!
A message to that D!ck Cheney too:
Go F^ck y@urself!
June 7th, 2009 at 5:37 am
Good mornin’ to everyone else, just p!ssed off cause I couldn’t sleep pass 6am on Sunday.
June 7th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Hey guys does anyone know if you can get single game tickets for this season, i’m thinking of coming to the states with my bros to watch a game in december!
June 7th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Point taken, Gruden would start Russell. Now let’s proceed to the unrelated but totally hilarious anecdote Gruden told on-air.
“Rich Gannon, in the middle of an audible, against the Tennessee Titans on Monday Night Football,” recalls Gruden, perhaps forgetting that this 1999 regular season game was actually on a Thursday night. “Right out of nowhere (Rich) Gannon saw something better and he started a live audible. So I started yelling at him from the sideline and in the middle of his audible. (Gannon says), ‘Black 350…Shut up, leave me alone!…Black 350.’ He told me to shut up in the middle of an audible. I will never forget that as long as I live.”
June 7th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Someone else will have to answer, I live in Denver where it’s next to impossible to get Raider tix for that game.
Good luck, Centurion.
June 7th, 2009 at 8:15 am
What about other games? I might get Falcons vs Bills tickets – just wanna see a game in the states!! I’m going to the UK game but i want the real deal
– i’d quite like to see some college ball too!
June 7th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Good Morning Nation.
C WR87
You can buy single game tickets for most home teams.
Some have a 3 pack rule on some games, good luck.
June 7th, 2009 at 10:02 am
San Diego has a 3 game pack rule for Dischargers vs. Raider Games!!!
June 7th, 2009 at 10:04 am
Watch OSU vs. Mitch, that’s the best college game in the country. IMHO
June 7th, 2009 at 10:19 am
You guys read that article about Lorenzo Neal? I hope he’s right about us turning it around this year, but at this point, I’ll have to see it to believe it.
June 7th, 2009 at 10:36 am
These rankings are just opinion. But well informed opinion. Kirk Morrison, Robert Gallery, Nnamdi Asomugha are well regarded in the league. When you include DMAC, those are 4 players that are expected to play close to or at a Pro-Bowl level. I agree with Priest that Thomas Howard should have warranted a top 20 ranking. But then again a 31st run defense isn’t going to get a lot of accolades from the media.
The defensive coordinator discussion is interesting. Rob Ryan was not running his defense. He’s a 3-4 guy and I agreed with the TSN article that basically said Ryan’s defense will look a lot like his brother’s. That doesn’t excuse the passive play calling, but make no mistake, Davis’ hands were all in this defense. That’s why Ryan was never fired.
As for John Marshall…it will be interesting to see how he uses the linebackers. Will it be the “Back 7″ or the “Front 7″. As far as the supposed emphasis on gap discipline and all that…fine and good for words..but I am sure Rob Ryan taught fundamentals too. The bottom line is that Tommy Kelly, Gerard Warren, Kirk Morrison have to play better up the middle and the outside backers and DEs have to play better against the run….
With Nnamdi and C.J in the secondary, the opponent is going to run the football until the Raiders demonstrate an ability to stop it CONSISTENTLY. A tall order for a defense that added no new talent and had a 31st run defense ranking last yr. Its not a victory to stop the run for 5 plays and then give up 20 and 30 yard games the next play.
June 7th, 2009 at 10:37 am
I’m buying the new 50th Hat/ cap!! The black and white looks great, with the retro logo.
June 7th, 2009 at 11:00 am
AHHHHH!!!! I can’t wait for the season to start. The NFL’s offseason is way too long. I’m starting to need that sunday fix, Jerry’s blog isn’t cutting it anymore.
June 7th, 2009 at 11:11 am
The village idiot “OakGlenn” says L Neal is not a system fit but I like his attitude & approach for our young offense.
“Listen,” Neal adds, his voice rising and turning evangelistic, “it’s about the opportunity; that’s why I’m here. It’s not about Lorenzo. Lorenzo has been to Pro Bowls. Lorenzo has been voted All-Pro. Those are individual accomplishments. It’s now about grabbing these young men and challenging them, letting them know that if they want people to change the way they think about them, they have to change what they’re doing.”
June 7th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Seabass would easily be ranked #1 if he played for a turf team
June 7th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Seabass would easily be ranked #1 if he played for a turf team and not kickin off dirt.
June 7th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Everybody keeps talking about the RAiders last three games, but doesnt that include the 49-26 beat down we took from New England in week 15???
June 7th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Did anyone see the bspn, outside the lines piece on Young Lance this morning? In particular, The Raiders written statement. Which said in so many words that, “Lance is a lying scumbag, who will be the ruin of the University of Tennessee.”
Brought a nice laugh this a.m. for me.(:
June 7th, 2009 at 11:41 am
“How ’bout we just play ball and then see what happens.”
Amen to that
June 7th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Mistabrown Says:
June 7th, 2009 at 11:11 am
The village idiot “OakGlenn” says L Neal is not a system fit but I like his attitude & approach for our young offense.
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For the 90th time, I didn’t say that, the coaches and organization said it. Over and over. And I explained why to you, but once again, you could not grasp a simple concept. In one of the OTA’s this weeks passes were bouncing off his hands just like logic bounces off your brain onto the ground. Once again, mistaclown proves what we all know: HE is the local moronic idiot.
June 7th, 2009 at 11:52 am
# raidertay Says:
June 7th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Everybody keeps talking about the RAiders last three games, but doesnt that include the 49-26 beat down we took from New England in week 15???
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That game was ugly. And it was ugly on all sides of the ball. We got beat on offense, defense and special teams in that game. Our team did not show up for that game. It is a testament to the players, and coaches that they did show for the next two tho.
June 7th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Whats up Raiderdogg and Oakglenn
Long time no see.
Apparently you can say anything you want in here to people using foul language and hell even the postings of racial slurs are accepted and it will stay up. But don’t you dare call jerry lazy or say the mod/troll is on her period or you will get banned for 3 or 4 weeks.
Crazy rules for a twisted blog.
Back to what really matters in life Heyward-Bey’s hamstring, when will it heal?
June 7th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Interesting article about some NFL retired players, and some of their thoughts about the late Gene Upshaw, the NFLPA, and Goodell:
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-dwyre-nfl7-2009jun07,0,7169813.column
June 7th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Show me a Commissioner who allows the 2nd biggest market in the country (LOS ANGELES) to go WITHOUT A NEW FRANCHISED TEAM, and I’ll show you an idiot who doesn’t deserve to be the Commissioner…period.
Goodell is just another attorney in a plume position, whose isn’t going to cause waves with the owners as he draws he big annual checks…the hell to accomplishing anything…the money is more important.
June 7th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Shane Lechler #1, baby! LOL
June 7th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
LOL!! Cat comes on here whining about what people have to say and then finishes his post with ” DHBs hamstring, when will it heal?”. LOL!! Ummm…. I will say next Tuesday. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!
June 7th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Fellas,I agree that the LA market needs a team,as long as it does NOT involve the Oakland RAIDERS,period!Now,if an existing team is not supported at home games,maybe they would look at LA,I just feel that existing teams stadium issues come first,new stadium,renovation,etc Im wondering where the MONEY would come from in any form,maybe thats why the NFL has NOT put a team in LA
June 7th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Great Post #31 very well written.
They very selective in their opinions as to what player was an ‘Al Davis’ and they always seem to be what they feel are the bad players. haha!
If you have anything positive to sayconcerning anything Al Davis you’re instantly categorized as a koolaid drinker.
Mr Davis makes his mistakes and hits but you can only mention the misses in here.
June 7th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
I have dusted off my crystal ball and here is what it says.
The Raiders will finish around .500 in 2009, beat some good teams, lose some close ones and be screwed by the refs as usual. But they will be an attractive, young team.
That’s the good news. The bad news for Oakland will be that someone in LA will show some serious interested in making a deal to bring them back.
They may be wary of dealing with Al but they will realize his days are numbered and make him an offer he can’t refuse.
Los Angeles Raiders, redux.
June 7th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
What has Al Davis done in the last 6 or 7 years to deserve ANY kudos??
June 7th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Nnamdi, what happened to your comment? WTF?
June 7th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Interesting read on new Raiders defensive coordinator John Marshall. Love to hear that he likes attacking and running exotic zone blitz schemes.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.sports.football.pro.oak-raiders/browse_thread/thread/d71e3e1ceb1b5e98
June 7th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Dude
Your not only a dim witted simpleton you also cant read.
If you are going to comment on what someone says at least read it and understand it before you go flapping your uneducated gum’s.
Now back to Hayward-Bey’s hamstring
June 7th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
The dynamic duo, DHB and DMC. They will play off each other and the rest of the offense will revolve around them. DHB must get his timing down with Russell for this to be effective. So get healthy young man we need you.
June 7th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
priest, I’m organizing all of the most interesting articles during the most recent Raiders’ season. This should be high on my list. What you think?
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Sapp says Kiffin treated unfairly, blames Davis for Raiders’ mess
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How dysfunctional are the Oakland Raiders? So dysfunctional that Warren Sapp warns anybody who asks him about signing there to stay far away.
“Nobody tells you how bad it is,” the former defensive tackle said on Showtime’s “Inside the NFL.” ” … any person that calls me on the telephone, [I tell them] do not go anywhere near Oakland.”
Sapp, who retired after the 2007 season — his fourth with the Raiders — said that Lane Kiffin, fired this week by owner Al Davis, never got a fair chance in Oakland.
“He came in there with a change of mentality. The whole system,” Sapp said on “Inside the NFL.” “He changed how the locker room looked because it was going to take that kind of overhaul for Oakland to become the proud franchise we all knew it was.”
Al Davis knows football — it’s just ’60s and ’70s football. That’s what it is. He’s thinking that Cliff Branch is outside and [Jim] Plunkett is dropping back and you can throw it 80 yards down the field — deep ball, deep ball, deep ball.
Sapp said Oakland won’t change for the better until Davis doesn’t own the team anymore.
“[Davis] is the common equation,” Sapp said on “Inside the NFL.” “You take him out, put him at home watching film or whatever he is doing — you have a functioning football organization. But once he comes over the top, he goes and starts moving it around.
“Al Davis knows football — it’s just ’60s and ’70s football. That’s what it is. He’s thinking that Cliff Branch is outside and [Jim] Plunkett is dropping back and you can throw it 80 yards down the field — deep ball, deep ball, deep ball.”
Sapp even said that Davis would call in plays when Sapp was playing for the Raiders.
“I remember the first two weeks I was there, we played a preseason game. Somebody came up one time and said, ‘We’re going deep right here, dog.’ I said, how do you know? He said, ‘The phone just rang.’
“All the preparation that goes into a week of work is there, the practicing that you have to put in order to do these things, sometimes [Al Davis] messed with that part of it and that’s what kills you,” Sapp said on “Inside the NFL.”
He cited one particular example of a Raiders defensive game plan being thrown out the window at the last minute. Sapp said Davis was behind it.
“Al Davis is the total bottom line, buck stops right there,” said Sapp. “I remember one time we had a defensive game plan because we were struggling against the run. We were going to get our safeties and put them up in the box and almost have a nine-man front. We practiced this thing 80 percent of the time on Wednesday and Thursday. We showed up that Friday morning, [defensive coordinator] Rob Ryan came in and he looked like someone had just shot his dog. He said he [Davis] pulled it on us … He snatched the teeth out of our defense.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3622637
June 7th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
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June 8th, 2009 at 12:10 am
RealMaddenRaider…post 66
What else is new. Those of us who have been around for decades, 70, 80, 90, etc., all know that the problem has become Davis. He refused to change and adapt to modern times, and he believes the old schemes and tactics still work. The dude has lost it completely, and as Sapp pointed out, we’re screwed until Davis sells the team = NEVER, or some miracle forces him to sell the team. Then, maybe with a new owner, one that wants to win, without meddling, we’ll have a chance. Right now we have no chance.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:16 am
He’s not the only one who’s lost it. Trust me.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:17 am
Why don’t you guy’s take it to him and see what he says and get back to me.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:28 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 5:49 am
Morning nation. Hey 4eva the mod is still gay! free dirty!
June 8th, 2009 at 5:50 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
Whats going on AM crew?
Los Angeles Raiders, redux.
You know, that is something I really hope doesn’t happen, but then again…Al only has one more year left on the lease with the Colisseum, right?
June 8th, 2009 at 5:53 am
Lmn i still cant change my ip. =/ please help
June 8th, 2009 at 5:55 am
The raiders belong in oakland
June 8th, 2009 at 6:02 am
408RAIDER Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 5:55 am
The raiders belong in oakland
Yes they do! If Al moves the team again…I don’t know what is going to happen…
June 8th, 2009 at 6:08 am
408,
No to seem like a hater, but what’s so great about Oakland as opposed to anywhere else within 20 miles or so?
June 8th, 2009 at 6:09 am
AHHHHH….Morning Nation!!!!!
WE BELONG IN OAKTOWN……..
But The Raiduuuuhhhhhhssss….live on no matter where.
Remember when Davis drafted Jano…and he had a pending E* charge??? and Davis said he would move the team to Poland if he had to!!!??? LOL!!!! LA dosn’t look so bad compared to Poland huh??
June 8th, 2009 at 6:09 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S. L.A. TALK WILL BE HEARD,B.S. OR NOT AS LONG AS MR. DAVIS IS BREATHING..
June 8th, 2009 at 6:11 am
If big al moves em again all we can do is be angry raider fans. Ill never say la
June 8th, 2009 at 6:12 am
BSJ: Its just the feeling in Oakland. 20 miles away or so wouldn’t be that bad either. Nothing against L.A.; I like it down there, but Oakland is where I hope Mr. Davis tries to keep the team…
June 8th, 2009 at 6:17 am
Bo im all 4 getting a new stadium i just dont want 2 drive 2 la 2 see my team
June 8th, 2009 at 6:21 am
Screw a new stadium if can’t go to the smoking section during qt breaks, just move the A’s so I don’t have to see the dirt on the infield.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 6:22 am
DO NOT THINK THE STADIUM ISSUE WILL EVER BE UP 2 AL’S EXPECTATION’S IN OAKLAND=ALAMEDA AREA. TO MANY YEARS OF BAD BLOOD. WILL TAKE SOMEONE WITH MORE MONEY THAN THEY CAN USE, A COMPUTER PERSON, OR A REALESTATE MOGEL TYPE 2 BYE THE TEAM IMO TO KEEP THEM HERE IN THE LONG TERM, WE ALL KNOW AL WILL PROBABLY NEVER SELL SO….OAKLIFER COULD GET OFF OF HIS WALLETT AND MAKE AN OFFER !!!
June 8th, 2009 at 6:24 am
Well I’ll agree with you guys. LA is no place for the Raiders. And I lived there for 15 years (its no place for me either).
June 8th, 2009 at 6:49 am
OAKLIFER COULD GET OFF OF HIS WALLETT AND MAKE AN OFFER !!!
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Already have a pending offer (since ‘94) But Mr. Davis told me that I had to wait for 2025 thats when his cyrogenic’s wear off and he will just be a head in a tube after that….But I have my doubts he told me even tho I would be majority owner he would still be the O.C. / D.C. / Personal guy.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:52 am
‘MORNING OAKLIFER, LOL
June 8th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Mornin D-LF,
Would hate to see a LA move but that would be better than not havin the team at all I geuss….LA is a HUGE market revenue would pro-bob’sIV-ly be up!!! But I could see Davis moving the Team to St. Louis or something just to spite the NFL or the state of CALI or both because they “forced” him out of LA the first time!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 7:04 am
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June 8th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Hey 408!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 7:08 am
“pro-bob’sIV-ly”. LOL.
Revenue up in LA? Not N0rco-sarily.
To me, it all depends on what Mark Davis wants. Is he an LA or Nocal guy?
June 8th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Revenue up in LA? Not N0rco-sarily.
To me, it all depends on what Mark Davis wants. Is he an LA or Nocal guy?
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LOL!!!
Hopefully Mr. Davis Jr, has been learning from the his ol mans mistakes and soaking up his vast football knowledge over the past 20 years!! I think having the likes of Mark, Amy Trask, and a select few others still around, this organization will thrive again SOONER THAN LATER!!!!!!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Way to go Odom and Pau!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Dakota Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Way to go Odom and Pau!!!
Hahaha!!! I agree. You do have to give some of that to Fisher, though!
June 8th, 2009 at 7:32 am
Wat to go Fish!
June 8th, 2009 at 7:32 am
OR….WAY to go Fish!
June 8th, 2009 at 7:32 am
hwnrdr Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Dakota Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Way to go Odom and Pau!!!
Hahaha!!! I agree. You do have to give some of that to Fisher, though!
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Courtney Lee for MVP!
June 8th, 2009 at 7:34 am
Did you watch the whole game live, Dakota?
June 8th, 2009 at 7:38 am
I was either screaming for Odom when he was making almost all of his shots or I was screaming at Odom when he was standing around with his thumb up his butt leaving Lewis wide friggin open all of the time!
Last night was a microcosm of his career I guess.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:39 am
I almost did Bo…I missed the first two minutes as I was just getting home from a softball game.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Courtney Lee for MVP!
That’s bad… LOL hey, he’s a rookie and Van Gundy put all the pressure on him…he should take that as a learning curve. But hey, had he made that shot…
June 8th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Hey Dakota,since there is like 20 people in the Dakotas,do you know that kid Wanless who won 200 mill???
June 8th, 2009 at 7:55 am
CourtneyLee 2009=NickAnderson1994
GO LAKERS!!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Odom,Fisher,Ariza,Gasol all stepped up how many balls did Gasol poke loose, guy arms are like 12 feet long
June 8th, 2009 at 8:01 am
That is true NMF. Kobe had what…6 points in the half? The whole team has to keep it going and not rely on Kobe to hit 40 every game to win it…
On that note…Have a good day Nation!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 8:12 am
4eva,
I don’t know him.
June 8th, 2009 at 8:14 am
The series isn’t over until the Lakers win a game in Orlando…hopefully that will be game 3!
June 8th, 2009 at 8:20 am
http://www.sacbee.com/raiders/story/1927287.html
June 8th, 2009 at 8:29 am
I look for a monster game from Gasol other than Howard no one on magic can contain him 1on1.
June 8th, 2009 at 8:42 am
http://www.sacbee.com/raiders/story/1927287.html?mi_rss=Raiders
June 8th, 2009 at 8:42 am
The dumbest post ever….. lame.
June 8th, 2009 at 8:43 am
lol im to slowwwww joe
June 8th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Post #111
I agree 100%
June 8th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Thanks Lynn
Nice read on Jamarcus it doesn’t matter what happens to him off the field, this is his year to produce or be considered a bust. Period! No excuses I don’t care who died.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Good morning Nation.
Here is a promo code for 25% off anything at NFLshop.com: NFLWIN25. Enjoy!
June 8th, 2009 at 9:44 am
what up o ?
June 8th, 2009 at 9:52 am
R8,
I bought a JR’s jersey, the only reason I bought was the special offer. Use the promo code, it helps a lot.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:05 am
dude i can buy them on the cat walk going back to BART after the game for real cheap
June 8th, 2009 at 10:13 am
R8,
I had to wear a charger jersey to find my size, I still feel dirty!!
June 8th, 2009 at 10:17 am
F*k Denver
F*k SD
F*k KC
F*k the Government
F*k breakfast
F*k the Joans bruthers
and F*k U 2 Passion! Bish!
Ahh…
Good morning Raider nation!~
June 8th, 2009 at 10:17 am
R8,
I hate the Dischargers!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Nnamdi,
Good morning!!
June 8th, 2009 at 10:19 am
O that calls for an acid bath in my book
June 8th, 2009 at 10:20 am
WOW feel better 21….next time dont hold back
June 8th, 2009 at 10:21 am
R8,
Cat walk!! BART!! What is that?
June 8th, 2009 at 10:24 am
R8,
LMAO,
The colors made me sick too, powder blue and yellow!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 10:30 am
The cat walk is a bridge over the oakland river and the train tracks….BART is like the subway train that goes all over bay area..Bay Area Rapid Transit= BART
June 8th, 2009 at 10:31 am
What’s new? So Russell was gone due to his uncle’s death and not his mom’s knee? Well, that sounds better.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:33 am
And the Oakland river isnt like any river you have ever seen….I think it is a fire danger if you know what i mean
June 8th, 2009 at 10:37 am
R8,
I didn’t know you lived in Oakland! I have a problem finding Raiders stuff in SD now!! since their team has been winning, they don’t have to wear Raiders gear anymore!!! You know!!
June 8th, 2009 at 10:39 am
R8,
so you can’t fish there! LMAO
June 8th, 2009 at 10:40 am
River, fire hazard!! LMFAO
June 8th, 2009 at 10:42 am
O i Dont live in Oakland But after the games are over there are guys selling thing outside the stadium…I like to support the local small business men…You could get that same jersey for 50-60 bucks
June 8th, 2009 at 10:45 am
You might have better luck catching a dead body then a fish…
June 8th, 2009 at 10:49 am
50- $60!! For a replica, correct?
June 8th, 2009 at 10:49 am
I rode the BART way back in 1991 or so…went to an A’s-O’s game. Was staying with an aunt and uncle in SF for a few weeks. It seemed clean and safe…have things changed?
June 8th, 2009 at 10:51 am
That’s how much I paid after the discount, $60. Like I said, I would have not bought, if it wasn’t for that discount.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Dakota,
18 years!!
A lot of changes can happen in 2 decades.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Dakota: Bart is clean and safe still…Same of the stations arent in then best part of town but riding the train isnt bad at all
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O they have minor blemishes…like my Stabler jersey..They spelled Ken..Kne..but for 50 bucks no one sees it so WTF…penny saved is a penny…well you know
June 8th, 2009 at 10:57 am
I have been in this great country for 15+ years!! That’s a long time in one place!!
June 8th, 2009 at 11:00 am
We drive to Dublin and get on the train for like $10 round trip each..drops you off a couple 100 yards from the stadium..you cant beat it…leaving kinda sucks when 30,000 people want to go home at the same time but its still not bad
June 8th, 2009 at 11:02 am
O have you ever been to a game ?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:03 am
R8,
Kne! LMFAO
To be honest with you sir, I made the purchase but didn’t buy it. My Mom paid for it as my Bday gift ( in a few months).God bless her, she did a lot for me and still trying to do more. She bought me a few things, and the discount really helped.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:06 am
R8,
No sir. I was lucky enough to see a BBall game. My friend took me.
I like good seats, so I watch from home.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Thursday was my B- Day…like my daughter said im 21 for the 25th time LOL
June 8th, 2009 at 11:06 am
I started hating Rob Ryan into his first season with the Raiders, as his lack of pressure defense was allowing every one to run over us. I still hate Ryan, and I’m happy to see he’s gone. Wish Davis would have fired him sooner, but he was on scholarship with Davis, just like Condo and Sam Williams.
We’ll get an indication of how bad Rob Ryan is this year. If he made it into the NFL off his father’s name and past glory, or if he capable. If he does half-azz OK, then we’ll have an indication that it was Davis’ meddling that caused our last six-years of horrible defense. If Ryan continues to be a shzt-head DC, over the next three years, then we’ll know it was Ryan inability to run a defense and he was their because of his father’s name.
I think it will be a combination of both. Ryan was and still is a shzt-head and Davis did stick his wrinkled,
purple and green smelly face into the running of our defense.
It’s now 50-50…50% good that Ryan is gone, and 50% bad that wrinkled, purple and green smelly face is still in control. Well, you can’t win em all.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Jerseys are $25 in Mexico!! I didn’t know that, thx Bob.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:09 am
hey little bobby hows the diaper rash bro???????
June 8th, 2009 at 11:10 am
O if you can you HAVE to go to a live game there is nothing like it
June 8th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Happy B day bro, so you are 45.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Good afternoon OAK, how is work?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Vaction with insider.hahahahahahahahahah…your mom took your computer away is more like it
June 8th, 2009 at 11:14 am
O,
Of course they are its knock off bootleg stuff you can also get lewey baton, Gughhcci, and hepitites A, all from TJ, ohh and a donkey show and honestly spending your 25$ on the Donkey show will bring more pleasure than a FAKE STUPID JERSEY with names spelled wrong!!! figures that poor trashy people ride the barts to games and buy fake jerseys!!! LOL at “the real raider fans”
June 8th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Hey O whats up bro!!!
work is killin me lately busy busy but in this economy at least I can work!! and chat with my Raider Brethran!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 11:15 am
R8,
I can now, but I don’t have the time. I will before I leave this great country, I will come to Oakland for a long visit.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:15 am
21+ 25=….O im the one that cant count remember…you think the world is flat LMAO
June 8th, 2009 at 11:17 am
LMAO. Bob Ignatowski had RRS banned!?
As if. What a bozo.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:17 am
your mom took your computer away is more like it
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Bobby why you even try bro?? just finish pulling ur finger out of duder’s arse and call it a day you posted one time and got owned!!!!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Bob,
I have been to Mexico, I loved it. Good food, and great people.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:23 am
R8,
Your original 21st bday is part of the 25th time. So you add 24 + 21 ( original Bday)= 45.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:23 am
B.J. Schembechler,
we all know what B.J. stands for nice moniker…if your not carefull you will be next! fitting to see you run to the aid of wannaberocker thought it would be his internet wanksta BF sflifer but i’ll take it from you just the same!!!! Hey guys I have jerseys for sell they are all Moss jerseys and they are 20 $$$ just let me know!! I know how you FAKES like to BUY FAKE poser stuff to save money!!LOL but anyways its spelled Mos but nobody will see that right Paver????
June 8th, 2009 at 11:24 am
R8,
LMFAO,
It looks flat on the map!!
June 8th, 2009 at 11:25 am
well you guys are to dilusional for me to day p!lls are kickin in and the beach is calling…One last word of advise. SUPORRT A REAL TEAM AND OWNER!!!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 11:27 am
bobertsIV Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 11:23 am
B.J. Schembechler,
we all know what B.J. stands for nice moniker…
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Keep your fantasies to yourself Ignatowski. The acronym is B.S.J….your triple vision got them in the wrong order. That, and your repressed castro perversions.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:28 am
BobertsIV…post 145:
I am one of many long time Raiders fans and will remain a fan for many seasons over the coming years. Love the Raiders, but I’ve come to realize over the years that Al
Davis lost it. We all have flaws and we all make mistakes.
In my opinion, Davis was unable to adjust and adapt to the changing players (bigger and faster) and the changing game.
Over the last six years, especially, Davis has tried, unsuccessfully, to do everything himself and that has just added to his woes. The Raiders have slipped to the bottom, and sadly, we will remain there, or at best, near
the mid-level of teams (bottom 16). Nothing will change that as long as Al Davis is the owner running this team.
With his declining health, his senility kicking in, and his inability to do everything himself. We can only expect more gloom and doom.
Ya, I, like many here, Love the Raiders, and I like many here, “hate Al Davis,” and I see him for what he is and what he’s become over the last decade. It started when he traded Jon Gruden, old Chucky.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:29 am
OAK,
Unemployment rate in SD county is around 9%!!
June 8th, 2009 at 11:32 am
ok,ok,O im 46 mannnnn
June 8th, 2009 at 11:38 am
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