TSN rankings: Marshall over Ryan


It remains to be seen whether the Raiders will play better defense under John Marshall than they did under Rob Ryan, but according to a top 20 ranking by the Sporting News, the Raiders have upgraded in that area.

RealScouts, a group of former NFL scouts utilized by TSN, ranks Marshall No. 12 in its top 20 defensive coordinators. Ryan, who departed the Raiders after his contract expried and was hired in Cleveland by Eric Mangini, was ranked No. 20.

Marshall is the third-ranked defensive coordinator in the AFC West, trailing Denver’s Mike Nolan (huh?) at No. 7 and Clancy Pendergast of Kansas City at No. 12, and ahead of San Diego’s Ron Rivera at No. 14.

Meanwhile, RealScouts ranked former Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp of Seattle (No. 14) ahead of current passing game coordinator Ted Tollner (No 19).

In ranking NFL head coaches 1 through 32, Tom Cable was rated No. 30, ahead of only Tampa Bay’s Raheem Morris and Denver’s Josh McDaniels.

Other RealScouts top-ranked players and where Raiders and AFC West players are ranked in the top 20 (centers and fullbacks were ranked through 10; return specialists through 15):

Quarterback– Peyton Manning, Indianapolis. JaMarcus Russell is not ranked. San Diego quarterback Philip Rivers is No. 6 and Kansas City’s Matt Cassel is No. 20.

Running backs–Adrian Peterson, Minnesota. Darren McFadden is ranked No. 12. San Diego running back LaDainian Tomlinson is ranked No. 8.

Wide receivers– Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona. No Raiders receivers are ranked. Denver wide receiver Brandon Marshall is No. 17.

Tight ends– Jason Witten, Dallas. Raiders tight end Zach Miller is ranked No. 12. San Diego tight end Antonio Gates is ranked No. 5.

Fullbacks– Greg Jones, Jacksonville. No Raiders fullbacks are ranked in the top 10 (voting tabulated before Lorenzo Neal signed as a free agent). Denver fullback Peyton Hillis is ranked No. 10.

Guards– Steve Hutchinson, Minnesota. Raiders left guard Robert Gallery is ranked No. 12. Chiefs guard Brian Waters is No. 3, Chargers Kris Dielman is No. 5.

Tackles– Ryan Clady, Denver. No Raiders tackles are ranked. San Diego’s Marcus McNeil is No. 18.

Centers– Nick Mangold, New York Jets. Raiders center Samson Satele is not ranked in the top 10 (nor is former center Jake Grove). Chargers center Nick Hardwick is No. 2.

Defensive ends– Jared Allen, Minnesota. No Raiders or AFC West defensive ends are ranked.

Defensive tackles– Albert Haynesworth, Washington. No Raiders defensive tackles are ranked. San Diego tackles Luis Castillo (a 3-4 end) and Jamal Williams are ranked Nos. 9 and 12.

Outside linebackers– DeMarcus Ware, Dallas. No Raiders outside linebackers were ranked. Most picks were outside pass rushers in a 3-4 defense. San Diego’s Shawne Merriman was ranked No. 3 and Shaun Phillips No. 14.

Inside linebackers– Brian Urlacher, Chicago. Raiders middle linebacker Kirk Morrison is ranked No. 10.

Cornerbacks– Nnamdi Asomugha, Raiders. Chris Johnson is not ranked. Denver’s Champ Bailey is ranked No. 3. San Diego’s Antonio Cromartie is No. 7. DeAngelo Hall, a Raider for eight games last season, is somehow ranked No. 8.

Safeties– Ed Reed Baltimore. No Raiders safeties are ranked. Denver’s Brian Dawkins is ranked No. 7.

Place kickers– Stephen Gostkowski, New England. Raiders kicker Sebastian Janikowski is not ranked in the top 10, nor are any AFC West place kickers.

Punters– Shane Lechler, Raiders. San Diego punter Mike Scifres is No. 4 and Kansas City’s Dustin Colquitt No. 7 in the top 10.

Return specialist–Reggie Bush, New Orleans. Raiders punt returner Johnnie Lee Higgins was ranked No. 15.


Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer

  • Mistabrown Says:
    June 7th, 2009 at 11:11 am

    The village idiot “OakGlenn” says L Neal is not a system fit but I like his attitude & approach for our young offense.

    For the 90th time, I didn’t say that, the coaches and organization said it. Over and over. And I explained why to you, but once again, you could not grasp a simple concept. In one of the OTA’s this weeks passes were bouncing off his hands just like logic bounces off your brain onto the ground. Once again, mistaclown proves what we all know: HE is the local moronic idiot.

  • # raidertay Says:
    June 7th, 2009 at 11:23 am

    Everybody keeps talking about the RAiders last three games, but doesnt that include the 49-26 beat down we took from New England in week 15???

    That game was ugly. And it was ugly on all sides of the ball. We got beat on offense, defense and special teams in that game. Our team did not show up for that game. It is a testament to the players, and coaches that they did show for the next two tho.

  • Whats up Raiderdogg and Oakglenn

    Long time no see.

    Apparently you can say anything you want in here to people using foul language and hell even the postings of racial slurs are accepted and it will stay up. But don’t you dare call jerry lazy or say the mod/troll is on her period or you will get banned for 3 or 4 weeks.

    Crazy rules for a twisted blog.

    Back to what really matters in life Heyward-Bey’s hamstring, when will it heal?

  • Interesting article about some NFL retired players, and some of their thoughts about the late Gene Upshaw, the NFLPA, and Goodell:


  • On the beach in Cancun

    Show me a Commissioner who allows the 2nd biggest market in the country (LOS ANGELES) to go WITHOUT A NEW FRANCHISED TEAM, and I’ll show you an idiot who doesn’t deserve to be the Commissioner…period.

    Goodell is just another attorney in a plume position, whose isn’t going to cause waves with the owners as he draws he big annual checks…the hell to accomplishing anything…the money is more important.

  • RaidingTexas

    Shane Lechler #1, baby! LOL

  • Dude

    LOL!! Cat comes on here whining about what people have to say and then finishes his post with ” DHBs hamstring, when will it heal?”. LOL!! Ummm…. I will say next Tuesday. LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!

  • gilbert

    Fellas,I agree that the LA market needs a team,as long as it does NOT involve the Oakland RAIDERS,period!Now,if an existing team is not supported at home games,maybe they would look at LA,I just feel that existing teams stadium issues come first,new stadium,renovation,etc Im wondering where the MONEY would come from in any form,maybe thats why the NFL has NOT put a team in LA

  • priesttj

    Great Post #31 very well written.

    They very selective in their opinions as to what player was an ‘Al Davis’ and they always seem to be what they feel are the bad players. haha!

    If you have anything positive to sayconcerning anything Al Davis you’re instantly categorized as a koolaid drinker.

    Mr Davis makes his mistakes and hits but you can only mention the misses in here.

  • Twocents

    I have dusted off my crystal ball and here is what it says.

    The Raiders will finish around .500 in 2009, beat some good teams, lose some close ones and be screwed by the refs as usual. But they will be an attractive, young team.

    That’s the good news. The bad news for Oakland will be that someone in LA will show some serious interested in making a deal to bring them back.

    They may be wary of dealing with Al but they will realize his days are numbered and make him an offer he can’t refuse.

    Los Angeles Raiders, redux.

  • Dude

    What has Al Davis done in the last 6 or 7 years to deserve ANY kudos??

  • Twocents

    Nnamdi, what happened to your comment? WTF?

  • DKnight007

    Interesting read on new Raiders defensive coordinator John Marshall. Love to hear that he likes attacking and running exotic zone blitz schemes.


  • Dude

    Your not only a dim witted simpleton you also cant read.

    If you are going to comment on what someone says at least read it and understand it before you go flapping your uneducated gum’s.

    Now back to Hayward-Bey’s hamstring

  • priesttj

    The dynamic duo, DHB and DMC. They will play off each other and the rest of the offense will revolve around them. DHB must get his timing down with Russell for this to be effective. So get healthy young man we need you.

  • priest, I’m organizing all of the most interesting articles during the most recent Raiders’ season. This should be high on my list. What you think?


    Sapp says Kiffin treated unfairly, blames Davis for Raiders’ mess
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    How dysfunctional are the Oakland Raiders? So dysfunctional that Warren Sapp warns anybody who asks him about signing there to stay far away.

    “Nobody tells you how bad it is,” the former defensive tackle said on Showtime’s “Inside the NFL.” ” … any person that calls me on the telephone, [I tell them] do not go anywhere near Oakland.”

    Sapp, who retired after the 2007 season — his fourth with the Raiders — said that Lane Kiffin, fired this week by owner Al Davis, never got a fair chance in Oakland.

    “He came in there with a change of mentality. The whole system,” Sapp said on “Inside the NFL.” “He changed how the locker room looked because it was going to take that kind of overhaul for Oakland to become the proud franchise we all knew it was.”

    Al Davis knows football — it’s just ’60s and ’70s football. That’s what it is. He’s thinking that Cliff Branch is outside and [Jim] Plunkett is dropping back and you can throw it 80 yards down the field — deep ball, deep ball, deep ball.

    Sapp said Oakland won’t change for the better until Davis doesn’t own the team anymore.

    “[Davis] is the common equation,” Sapp said on “Inside the NFL.” “You take him out, put him at home watching film or whatever he is doing — you have a functioning football organization. But once he comes over the top, he goes and starts moving it around.

    “Al Davis knows football — it’s just ’60s and ’70s football. That’s what it is. He’s thinking that Cliff Branch is outside and [Jim] Plunkett is dropping back and you can throw it 80 yards down the field — deep ball, deep ball, deep ball.”

    Sapp even said that Davis would call in plays when Sapp was playing for the Raiders.

    “I remember the first two weeks I was there, we played a preseason game. Somebody came up one time and said, ‘We’re going deep right here, dog.’ I said, how do you know? He said, ‘The phone just rang.’

    “All the preparation that goes into a week of work is there, the practicing that you have to put in order to do these things, sometimes [Al Davis] messed with that part of it and that’s what kills you,” Sapp said on “Inside the NFL.”

    He cited one particular example of a Raiders defensive game plan being thrown out the window at the last minute. Sapp said Davis was behind it.

    “Al Davis is the total bottom line, buck stops right there,” said Sapp. “I remember one time we had a defensive game plan because we were struggling against the run. We were going to get our safeties and put them up in the box and almost have a nine-man front. We practiced this thing 80 percent of the time on Wednesday and Thursday. We showed up that Friday morning, [defensive coordinator] Rob Ryan came in and he looked like someone had just shot his dog. He said he [Davis] pulled it on us … He snatched the teeth out of our defense.”


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  • On the beach in Cancun

    RealMaddenRaider…post 66

    What else is new. Those of us who have been around for decades, 70, 80, 90, etc., all know that the problem has become Davis. He refused to change and adapt to modern times, and he believes the old schemes and tactics still work. The dude has lost it completely, and as Sapp pointed out, we’re screwed until Davis sells the team = NEVER, or some miracle forces him to sell the team. Then, maybe with a new owner, one that wants to win, without meddling, we’ll have a chance. Right now we have no chance.

  • priesttj

    He’s not the only one who’s lost it. Trust me.

  • priesttj

    Why don’t you guy’s take it to him and see what he says and get back to me.

  • 4evaRaider

    Good Morning NATION!!!

  • 408RAIDER

    Morning nation. Hey 4eva the mod is still gay! free dirty!

  • hwnrdr

    Good Morning NATION!!!
    Whats going on AM crew?

    Los Angeles Raiders, redux.

    You know, that is something I really hope doesn’t happen, but then again…Al only has one more year left on the lease with the Colisseum, right?

  • 408RAIDER

    Lmn i still cant change my ip. =/ please help

  • 408RAIDER

    The raiders belong in oakland

  • hwnrdr

    408RAIDER Says:
    June 8th, 2009 at 5:55 am
    The raiders belong in oakland

    Yes they do! If Al moves the team again…I don’t know what is going to happen…

  • 408,

    No to seem like a hater, but what’s so great about Oakland as opposed to anywhere else within 20 miles or so?

  • OAKlifer

    AHHHHH….Morning Nation!!!!!


    But The Raiduuuuhhhhhhssss….live on no matter where.
    Remember when Davis drafted Jano…and he had a pending E* charge??? and Davis said he would move the team to Poland if he had to!!!??? LOL!!!! LA dosn’t look so bad compared to Poland huh??



  • 408RAIDER

    If big al moves em again all we can do is be angry raider fans. Ill never say la

  • hwnrdr

    BSJ: Its just the feeling in Oakland. 20 miles away or so wouldn’t be that bad either. Nothing against L.A.; I like it down there, but Oakland is where I hope Mr. Davis tries to keep the team…

  • 408RAIDER

    Bo im all 4 getting a new stadium i just dont want 2 drive 2 la 2 see my team

  • NoMoreFargas

    Screw a new stadium if can’t go to the smoking section during qt breaks, just move the A’s so I don’t have to see the dirt on the infield.

    GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!



  • Well I’ll agree with you guys. LA is no place for the Raiders. And I lived there for 15 years (its no place for me either).

  • OAKlifer

    Already have a pending offer (since ’94) But Mr. Davis told me that I had to wait for 2025 thats when his cyrogenic’s wear off and he will just be a head in a tube after that….But I have my doubts he told me even tho I would be majority owner he would still be the O.C. / D.C. / Personal guy.



  • OAKlifer

    Mornin D-LF,

    Would hate to see a LA move but that would be better than not havin the team at all I geuss….LA is a HUGE market revenue would pro-bob’sIV-ly be up!!! But I could see Davis moving the Team to St. Louis or something just to spite the NFL or the state of CALI or both because they “forced” him out of LA the first time!!!

  • 4evaRaider

    Hey 408!!!

  • “pro-bob’sIV-ly”. LOL.

    Revenue up in LA? Not N0rco-sarily.

    To me, it all depends on what Mark Davis wants. Is he an LA or Nocal guy?

  • OAKlifer

    Revenue up in LA? Not N0rco-sarily.

    To me, it all depends on what Mark Davis wants. Is he an LA or Nocal guy?


    Hopefully Mr. Davis Jr, has been learning from the his ol mans mistakes and soaking up his vast football knowledge over the past 20 years!! I think having the likes of Mark, Amy Trask, and a select few others still around, this organization will thrive again SOONER THAN LATER!!!!!!!!

  • Way to go Odom and Pau!!!

  • hwnrdr

    Dakota Says:
    June 8th, 2009 at 7:25 am
    Way to go Odom and Pau!!!

    Hahaha!!! I agree. You do have to give some of that to Fisher, though!

  • Wat to go Fish!

  • OR….WAY to go Fish!

  • hwnrdr Says:
    June 8th, 2009 at 7:29 am
    Dakota Says:
    June 8th, 2009 at 7:25 am
    Way to go Odom and Pau!!!

    Hahaha!!! I agree. You do have to give some of that to Fisher, though!


    Courtney Lee for MVP!

  • Did you watch the whole game live, Dakota?

  • I was either screaming for Odom when he was making almost all of his shots or I was screaming at Odom when he was standing around with his thumb up his butt leaving Lewis wide friggin open all of the time!

    Last night was a microcosm of his career I guess.

  • I almost did Bo…I missed the first two minutes as I was just getting home from a softball game.

  • hwnrdr

    Courtney Lee for MVP!

    That’s bad… LOL hey, he’s a rookie and Van Gundy put all the pressure on him…he should take that as a learning curve. But hey, had he made that shot…