It’s Russell’s choice to be mentored
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, June 8th, 2009 at 11:25 am in Oakland Raiders.
Tom Cable wasn’t afraid to use the term, and in fact he encouraged it.
Jeff Garcia was brought in to be a mentor to JaMarcus Russell, and not just a backup quarterback.
You have a mental image of the two poring over film together, utilizing salt and pepper shakers, and forks and knives as imaginary backfields at lunch when the team convenes at this week’s organized team activity.
But it’s not as easy as it sounds. Down deep, Garcia still wants to start. Russell realizes this, and a part of him may want to keep Garcia at arm’s length.
It’s a fact that young players don’t always want to be mentored, and that veteran players don’t always want to be mentors.
Look no further than the 2004 season, when the Raiders parted ways with two of the most productive wide receivers in NFL history, neither of whom were enamored with the thought of being a mentor.
When Norv Turner took over for Bill Callahan in 2004, it became obvious during training camp that Ronald Curry had to play. With the blessing of Al Davis, Turner gave Tim Brown a choice _ stick around as the fifth receiver and occasionally be inactive on game day, or accept his release.
Brown took the latter and signed with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, where he essentially met the same fate.
During the season, Rice began coming out in certain formations and saw his production dwindle. On Sept. 19, Rice failed to catch a pass against Buffalo, snapping an NFL-record 274-game streak of games played with a reception.
Like Brown, Rice wanted no part of a smaller role and helping bring along players who were going to play more than he was. Davis later confirmed that Rice came to him to complain about the end of the streak and request a trade, which was eventually granted.
Not that the Raiders young receivers were all that interested about acquiring more knowledge, anyway. I remember one day in the Raiders locker room when Rice was out catching extra passes while Curry, Doug Gabriel and others were talking in the locker room.
Within earshot, and without being asked a question, Rich Gannon called over a few media members and wondered aloud how it is the Raiders could have the most productive receiver in NFL history and that the team’s young receivers weren’t out watching him.
“I mean, why wouldn’t you follow him around every moment, seeing how he does it?,” Gannon said.
Then there was Charles Woodson, who was afforded the opportunity as a rookie to play alongside Eric Allen, a veteran with an entire black book of strategies on every wide receiver he had ever faced.
Allen and Woodson were close friends. Allen used to joke his kids’ favorite player was C-Wood. He waited for Woodson to ask about the black book and how to play receivers, but the time never came.
I asked Woodson about it and he said he wasn’t comfortable loading up on information. He said he played better with a “blank slate” which allowed him to react and rely on his natural ability.
Contrast that with Nnamdi Asomugha, who as a rookie in 2003 immediately approached safety Rod Woodson and asked, “What do you have for me?.”
The point is, there is no guarantee Russell and Garcia will evolve into a mentor-student relationship. Which doesn’t mean Russell can’t learn simply from being pushed by him in practice and meeting rooms every day. On that basis alone, not to mention attrition at the quarterback position, Garcia’s signing was a good one.
The bulk of the knowledge Russell acquires won’t be from Garcia, but quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett.
“(Russell) has got a tremendous quarterbacks coach. No one talks about the addition of Paul Hackett,” Jon Gruden told Sirius Satellite Radio last week. “I think he’s really going to reach out and help JaMarcus Russell.”
The process continues this week, with Wednesday’s session open to the media.
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June 8th, 2009 at 11:35 am
uno?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:37 am
I believe that its the responsibility of the coaches to coach. I wouldnt expect anything less of Garcia then to want to play.
If anything, JR just needs to be put on notice that if he doesnt get it done the Raiders will find someone who will. Garcia breathing over JRs neck accomplishes that.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:38 am
priest, some repost action for you.
Sapp says Kiffin treated unfairly, blames Davis for Raiders’ mess
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How dysfunctional are the Oakland Raiders? So dysfunctional that Warren Sapp warns anybody who asks him about signing there to stay far away.
“Nobody tells you how bad it is,” the former defensive tackle said on Showtime’s “Inside the NFL.” ” … any person that calls me on the telephone, [I tell them] do not go anywhere near Oakland.”
Sapp, who retired after the 2007 season — his fourth with the Raiders — said that Lane Kiffin, fired this week by owner Al Davis, never got a fair chance in Oakland.
“He came in there with a change of mentality. The whole system,” Sapp said on “Inside the NFL.” “He changed how the locker room looked because it was going to take that kind of overhaul for Oakland to become the proud franchise we all knew it was.”
Al Davis knows football — it’s just ’60s and ’70s football. That’s what it is. He’s thinking that Cliff Branch is outside and [Jim] Plunkett is dropping back and you can throw it 80 yards down the field — deep ball, deep ball, deep ball.
Sapp said Oakland won’t change for the better until Davis doesn’t own the team anymore.
“[Davis] is the common equation,” Sapp said on “Inside the NFL.” “You take him out, put him at home watching film or whatever he is doing — you have a functioning football organization. But once he comes over the top, he goes and starts moving it around.
“Al Davis knows football — it’s just ’60s and ’70s football. That’s what it is. He’s thinking that Cliff Branch is outside and [Jim] Plunkett is dropping back and you can throw it 80 yards down the field — deep ball, deep ball, deep ball.”
Sapp even said that Davis would call in plays when Sapp was playing for the Raiders.
“I remember the first two weeks I was there, we played a preseason game. Somebody came up one time and said, ‘We’re going deep right here, dog.’ I said, how do you know? He said, ‘The phone just rang.’
“All the preparation that goes into a week of work is there, the practicing that you have to put in order to do these things, sometimes [Al Davis] messed with that part of it and that’s what kills you,” Sapp said on “Inside the NFL.”
He cited one particular example of a Raiders defensive game plan being thrown out the window at the last minute. Sapp said Davis was behind it.
“Al Davis is the total bottom line, buck stops right there,” said Sapp. “I remember one time we had a defensive game plan because we were struggling against the run. We were going to get our safeties and put them up in the box and almost have a nine-man front. We practiced this thing 80 percent of the time on Wednesday and Thursday. We showed up that Friday morning, [defensive coordinator] Rob Ryan came in and he looked like someone had just shot his dog. He said he [Davis] pulled it on us … He snatched the teeth out of our defense.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3622637
June 8th, 2009 at 11:39 am
You don’t like to wish injury on people, but if Russell goes down and Garcia becomes our starter, we’ve got a real chance of winning 9 games this year.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:40 am
The stories about Jamrock are rarely good. Hopefully he will learn to be a great quarterback. It took Kerry Collins waaayyyy too long and I hope that is not the case for Jamarcus. Missing wide open guys and not studying is a bad sign. I hear he is into all sorts of activity that hurts his body instead of helping him get in better shape.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:41 am
hey MR. how you doing today?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Cancun, to respond to your point last night. It’s not just about Al Davis being the one constant who’s been here all of this time. It’s to prove that Al Davis does in fact overrule coaches’ gameplans on a week to week basis. We will never win again with an owner like this, unless we have a Gruden or Kiffin type who’ll just do what they do and give Al the finger. …or perhaps a Garcia type. No doubt Garcia bashed Gruden to the press to get in good with Al. He’s already buttering him up. Soon as Jeff gets behind center, he’s going to run basically every west coast type of play we have in our book, and get us on a win streak. Let’s hold the good thought.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:43 am
I agree tay if Garcia didnt want to play he would be just another AW…And that alone should push JR knowing if he cant then JG will or will try
June 8th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Rice was out catching extra passes while Curry, Doug Gabriel and others were talking in the locker room.
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hard for the young DB’s (Branch, Mitchell, Brown, Bowie, Boyd, etc) to be getting tips from Nnamdi at OTA’s, any “voluntary” meetings, film room or work out sessions when he’s not there. Isn’t it?
June 8th, 2009 at 11:46 am
that alone should push JR knowing if he cant then JG will or will try
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Jeff George? sweet! bring him in …
June 8th, 2009 at 11:47 am
It’s a business first, Rockstar. Al Davis is making a lot of money off of Nnamdi’s back. Nnamdi has to make sure he’s getting what he deserves. Al’s not out there making the tackles. He’s sitting there playing godfather in the owner’s booth. Not to mention, in recent years he’s been a loser. Basically, anyone can match Al’s success today. Anyone can do what he does. Anyone. A 5 year old girl can put up the record Al Davis has in the past 6 years as an NFL GM.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:50 am
I take that back. Even a 5 year old girl could pull an NFL franchise out of the dumps after a few years. Even a 5 year old girl would not have a lousy NFL team for 6 straight years. The only people owners that would are owners who are trying to lose, or who have no clue what they’re doing. I’ll let you decide which is the case with Al.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:51 am
MR, I was talking about Nnamdi and the young DB’s. Not Nnamdi and Al Davis …
anybody with a brain can see that AD hasn’t been very successful the past 6 years. In fact, he’s been the LEAST productive when it comes to wins and losses and that’s all that matters.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:53 am
MR, I don’t know many 5 year old girls that even care about football in general. It’s all about Barbie or My Little Pony at that age, isn’t it?
I’d be surprised if even Amy Trask dreamed of running an NFL franchise at the age of 5!
June 8th, 2009 at 11:58 am
MR: would you rather take a flier on Brett Favre coming back after surgery and un retiring (yet again) to be the starter in Minny for 1 season at $10 million or a healthy Jeff George for the vet minimum who just wants a roster spot and is happy to “mentor”?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Double R!!
Whats up bro thought u was banned!!!LOL
Unemployment is like 12% in p-town!!! SD has nicer beaches tho!! I always said if I was going to be a bum I would live at the beach!!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 11:47 am
He’s sitting there playing godfather in the owner’s booth. Not to mention, in recent years he’s been a loser. Basically, anyone can match Al’s success today. Anyone can do what he does. Anyone. A 5 year old girl can put up the record Al Davis has in the past 6 years as an NFL GM.
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EXACTLY!
June 8th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
I enjoyed that Jon Alston article on Friday …
when you have to “bulk up” as a linebacker and add 20 lbs just to make 235 lbs I think that qualifies a guy as being undersized. right? Why didn’t we try Alston at strong safety? Now he’s too big and too slow (even though Jerry thinks he hasn’t lost any speed)
June 8th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
whats up OAKlifer? been crazy this morning and all day Friday
beleive it or not my boss occasionally asks me to do some work
June 8th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
I feel ya bro just an intresting convo with bobby today!!!!LOL did you read earlier posts??
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“I know you missed me but I was on vacation with my insiders!!! and just to prove my emails work has anybody heard from wannaberocker??? no cause I had him banned!!! for slander of course!!!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
RR,
Nice to see you here. Bob Ignatowski had the gall to claim he had you banned…LMAO!
Jerrah, this was a fine post. Always happy to hear your memories of past squads to put these players and our owner in context.
Lo Neal looks like he has the mentor thing down, BTW. And wasn’t Sapp supposed to be “mentoring” Kelly? The concept can be overrated, especially when the vet has dubious attitudes and habits.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 11:39 am
You don’t like to wish injury on people, but if Russell goes down and Garcia becomes our starter, we’ve got a real chance of winning 9 games this year.
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Sometimes MR you are soooo far out in left field you make missed-a-brain seem intelligent. Why would you even make a statement like that? As a Raider fan, you want your franchise Q to get up to speed as quickly as possible. That will be the catalyst to win lots of games for a long time. That’s only going to happen by playing. I have brought this up 10 times on this site: name one Q who came to a 1-15 team and immediately became all pro. There isn’t one. Players have to develop. Personally, I am more interested in Russell developing than Garcia winning 8-9 games.
June 8th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
LOL. Bobby didn’t do jack squat …
what’s up BSJ?
I’m not ready to make any “lucid” posts today. haha. the Great Lake(rs) won, remember?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
I always give Bobby points for humor.
kudos Bobbo. what does your “insider” think about Nnamdi being absent at OTA’s?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Yes it was a glorious victory, even though the score was abnormally close (according to players). I became an instant Courtney Lee fan! The Magic need to keep that kid on the court… . . .
June 8th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Double R : Nice to have you back..lol
June 8th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
thank guys.
yeah, can’t beleive that game went to OT!
Lakers might get the sweep now. Orlando’s confidence got shattered …
Howard & Lewis were better in game 2, but they still didn’t do enough to get the W
June 8th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Bo, what do you think the chances are of the Lakers taking two out of three in Orlando and ending the series on the road? Lakers are the best road team and Orlando has to be shaken up after last night, I mean Kobe played poorly and had 7 turnovers, and Lewis and Turkey couldn’t have played any better and they still lost…
June 8th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
BREAKING NEWS:
Word from OTA’s is there was some crazy hobo who seemed to be very dazed and confused with a stolen lap top and air card Yelling “I want to talk with my insider he knows I belong here” as the police where dragging him off.
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Im sure his insider is as pissed as we are about Nnamdi damn him!!! he could atleast be out there talkin with C.J. and Co. Maybe even gettin in DHB ear alittle tellin him som db secrets!!! he can fake some sort of “injury” you know the kind where everybody knows your to good to risk getting hurt in OTA so you have a linering hammy for weeks right untill opening kick ofF!!! HE SHOULD BE THERE thats what my insider was telling me!!!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Word from OTA’s is there was some crazy hobo who seemed to be very dazed and confused with a stolen lap top and air card Yelling “I want to talk with my insider he knows I belong here” as the police where dragging him off.
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LOL. Bobby got arrested? maybe they found his pain meds … then how is he gonna get high? sniffing glue?
June 8th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Hey Double R,
What you know bout this dude??? thought I heard Dakota talkinbout him b4 the draft?? Kentucky defensive end Jeremy Jarmon
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4240533
we could get a really good de for like a 4th or 5th rounder!!?!?!?!?!?
June 8th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Chargers got Jamal Williams couple years ago in the supplemental draft.
A wide receiver named Cris Carter was picked in the 87 supplemental draft…
it might just be worth it..
ps I ripped off those stats!!!!!!plagerisim at it;s finest!!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
OAKlifer: I’ve never heard of DE Jeremy Jarmon
I don’t watch college football.
Already looking forward to the draft?
The season isn’t half over yet! You can’t wait until November? haha j/k (hopefully)
June 8th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
I don’t think its so much the raiders in general as it is maybe the generation of younger players.
Young people don’t want to be mentored nowadays like they used to, we live in a microwaveable society and they like things to come to them instantly, plus you got as guy making 1 million dollars a year trying to tell a guy making 14 million what to do.
Also today’s players take themselves out of games, you couldn’t pry a guy off the field with a crow bar in the 60’s 70’s 80’s.
Today’s athlete are a different breed they whine they sit out of camp they, try and get sympathy from us because they are only making 2 million a year instead of 10.
JaMarcus cant be like that if we are going to be successful he needs to set the example and he needs to do it this year no more excuses I don’t care who died.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
I ripped off those stats!!!!!!plagerisim at it;s finest!!!!
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plagerisim stablerism. you wrote it, it’s yours!
the Raiders do as they please. argh! walk the plank me matey!
June 8th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Dakota Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Bo, what do you think the chances are of the Lakers taking two out of three in Orlando and ending the series on the road? Lakers are the best road team and Orlando has to be shaken up after last night, I mean Kobe played poorly and had 7 turnovers, and Lewis and Turkey couldn’t have played any better and they still lost…
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The only way the Magic win one is if the Lakers pull another no-show like they did in the previous two series. And that game has to be the next one, otherwise Orlando will roll over at home down 3-0. They don’t have the grit that comes with playing in the Western Conference all season.
I am most surprised at the re-emergence of Gasol’s testes after playing without them in `08 playoffs. I thought Howard would be much more successful against him.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
LOL nahh I can wait brother….but I think the supplemental draft is July 16. and its a email bidding war who ever wants to give up the highest draft pick next year gets him!!! think he had 10 tackels for lss and 5 sacks last year in the SEC!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
plagerisim stablerism. you wrote it, it’s yours!
the Raiders do as they please. argh! walk the plank me matey!
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LMAO Thats right!!!!!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
I think the supplemental draft is July 16. and its a email bidding war who ever wants to give up the highest draft pick next year gets him!!!
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ok. I gotcha. STILL – after taking 2 DE’s in the draft and bringing in another undrafted guy. I’m a little skeptical to taking on yet another youth project. Richardson, Scott, Gunheim, Gray, Shaughnessy, Sulak and Bryant are all still on the roster. Even if Burgess gets traded … I think these guys can get the job done
June 8th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
FREE COURTNEY LEE!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
FREE HIRAM EUGENE & CORNELL GREEN!!!
FREE SAM WILLIAMS & ANDREW WALTER!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Richardson, Scott, Gunheim, Gray, Shaughnessy, Sulak and Bryant are all still on the roster……
yes thats enough camp fotter for one year your right!!LOL
June 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
The Garcia talk is too stupid.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Sounds good to me Bo!
I think Gasol is doing a great job along with the little guys flashing at Howard…he clearly has no real go to move yet…
Looks like weight lifting throughout the season has done Gasol some good. And having Odom show up for the finals this year is really helping….let’s hope he doesn’t go into hiding again, or a sugar coma…
June 8th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
The Garcia talk is too stupid.
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Amen Brother!!! like Oakglenn says “I am more interested in Russell developing than Garcia winning 8-9 games.”
June 8th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Richardson, Scott, Gunheim, Gray, Shaughnessy, Sulak and Bryant are all still on the roster……
yes thats enough camp fotter for one year your right!!LOL
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OAKlifer: ouch man. thanks for harshing my Kool-Aid buzz regarding the d-line! are you related to S&B?
haha. but really, I think Scott/Gunheim/Shaughnessy/Sulak = solid D-Line
Gray & Bryant are scrubs. J-Rich hasn’t done enough in 2 years to prove he’s ever going to be starter material. D-Burg is on the way out
June 8th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Bruce Jenner did Wheaties, just watch Lamar Odom become the new pitchman for Chocolate Frosted Sugar Bombs.
Next Halloween, if any kids show up in an Odom jersey they are getting my whole bowl of SweetTarts.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Over his last 7 games he avg 91 passer rating. Then threw Garcia out of the playoffs.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Next Halloween, if any kids show up in an Odom jersey they are getting my whole bowl of SweetTarts.
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Address please!!!!!
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but really, I think Scott/Gunheim/Shaughnessy/Sulak = solid D-Line
Me too brother and with burgess in his contrct year and J Rich is fighting for his football life our DE’s just might play up to par this year!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Then threw Garcia out of the playoffs.
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LMAO, there should be no conversation!!!The Foundation is here to say!!!! even tho I belive its was Bush who “ran” garcia out of the playoffs!!
June 8th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 11:53 am
MR, I don’t know many 5 year old girls that even care about football in general.
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They would still do no worse than Al Davis running the Raiders.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
“As a Raider fan, you want your franchise Q to get up to speed as quickly as possible.”
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That’s just the thing. We don’t have a franchise qb. We have a guy that can throw a football 50 yards. Garcia is the only capable qb on our roster.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
with burgess in his contrct year and J Rich is fighting for his football life our DE’s just might play up to par this year!!!
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true enough. I guess we do need some sort of “vet” at DE. nobody has starter experience except for these guys. Switching to a new defense should make it an even playing field though. Especially since Burgess was “ill” at the last mandatory session and is missing at OTA’s. J-Rich is injured. These young cats are stealing the show right now and getting valuable reps in the Marshall defense at the same time. Just like Schilens, Holland, Watkins, Murphy, etc are making Javon Walker look more expendable by the day …
June 8th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 11:53 am
MR, I don’t know many 5 year old girls that even care about football in general.
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They would still do no worse than Al Davis running the Raiders.
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MR, come on bro I mean if said a monkey or a 15 year-old boy we would have belived ya but Dude a 5 year old girl we gotta step, it up if your going to bashing Davis bobby ur gonna have to do better than that!!
June 8th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 11:53 am
MR, I don’t know many 5 year old girls that even care about football in general.
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They would still do no worse than Al Davis running the Raiders.
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Conversely, there isn’t a 5-year old girl in the whole US who can outwhine you Mr. Spander.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Garcia is the only capable qb on our roster.
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put down the cr@ck pipe and let the little boys go!!!!!!!!!! this takes the cake!!! and i’m not talking bout the cake in j-russes belly either!!! I’m talkin bout bonafide dunce of the year, DB* of the centrury, Mind-numbing rambling cake made outta HATOR_AID!!!! you 3 never cease to amaze me!!!!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
That’s just the thing. We don’t have a franchise qb. We have a guy that can throw a football 50 yards. Garcia is the only capable qb on our roster.”
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That statement makes me question your credibility as a Raider fan.
But it’s also a Molotov cocktail sure to get attention on this blog. Congratulations.
June 8th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
this takes the cake!!! and i’m not talking bout the cake in j-russes belly either!!!
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love you like a fat kid loves cake. haha. love that line
oops. I better calm down or Bobby will call me an internet wankster like he does you OAKlifer …
June 8th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Lane Kiffin could be in trouble with NCAA again; Raiders call him a liar
12:26 PM, June 8, 2009
Former USC assistant Lane Kiffin, now head coach at Tennessee, continues to struggle with the rule book. Tennessee, according to the Associated Press, has reported four minor recruiting violations to the NCAA since Kiffin was hired late last year.
The most recent came today after ESPN’s “Outside the Lines” on Sunday included a segment showing Kiffin in his office with two high school recruits.
That would be a violation of NCAA recruiting rule 13.10.1, which states: “A member institution shall not permit a media entity to be present during any recruiting contact made by an institution’s coaching staff member.”
The ESPN program also included a statement from the Oakland Raiders, who fired Kiffin in September. The two sides are in litigation over pay Kiffin claims he is owed.
“Lane Kiffin is a flat-out liar. He lied to the team, he lied to the fans, and he lied to the media,” the Raiders’ statement said. “He will try to destroy that university like he tried to destroy the Raiders, and will eventually clash with [women’s basketball coach Pat] Summitt and [men’s basketball coach Bruce] Pearl.”
The university had no comment about the statement to the Associated Press.
– Randy Harvey
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
June 8th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
LOL. Pat Summitt will be the Vols interim HC after Lance and his daddy get canned …
June 8th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
see ya in the middle of next week OAKlifer …
June 8th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
LOL. Pat Summitt will be the Vols interim HC after Lance and his daddy get canned …
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Way to go lance keep making ALS case stronger
June 8th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Pat Summit, will turn young Lance over her knee and paddle his rump.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Lane Kiffin and the Vols will win the ACC this year. He is going to be a great coach.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
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June 8th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
666, your band sucks.
June 8th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
DMunoz 26 Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Lane Kiffin and the Vols will win the ACC this year. He is going to be a great coach.
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based on what?
June 8th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Kiffin will be successful based on the fact that Al Davis fired him. It’s simple logic. A. Everything Al Davis thinks is wright is wrong. B. He thought firing Lane Kiffin was the right thing to do. So logically, the firing of Lane Kiffin was wrong, which means, C, he will be a winner. A + B = C
June 8th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Like your band is any better
Plus you have no Super Bowl Trophies in your trophy case.
Your trophy case is empty how does that feel!
June 8th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
We will know by week 8 if JR is a bust or not this is his 3rd year I don’t give a Krap if he missed the first training camp he still played (horribly) his rookie season albeit for 3 games.
OakGlenn its been at least a week since you’ve said something REALLY stupid, are you ok ?
June 8th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Mistabrown Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
We will know by week 8 if JR is a bust or not this is his 3rd year
Mista
acoording to buttholeprik (BHP) 
JR is the second coming of Elway 
June 8th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Jerry how is Jano doing so far? Is he clanking the uprights like nobody’s business?
June 8th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
did anybody notice charlie frye name on the raiders transaction page?
June 8th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Per, David White. Yes, the Raiders signed THAT Charlie Frye, to compete for the #3 QB spot.
C-Ya, Andrew.
June 8th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
To Andrew Walter, I bid adieu. Tell your mom I never stopped loving her.
Your friend,
Albert Bigelow Paine
June 8th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
This a funny post#69 since when does a+b= c, unless we’re talking algebra?
Some of you will some of most illogical things totry to say Al Davis is stupid……….proving yourself to be even worse.
You don’t put the team together that he has being as stupid as some of you wish he were.
Lo Neal comments in the Monte Poole Sunday article says otherwise. But excuse me for being relevant.
June 8th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
“As a Raider fan, you want your franchise Q to get up to speed as quickly as possible.”
……
That’s just the thing. We don’t have a franchise qb. We have a guy that can throw a football 50 yards. Garcia is the only capable qb on our roster.
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See this is where you get into the level of missed-a-brain and Dud. Anyone with half a brain can see that Jamarcus Russell is a bonafide franchise Q. And he has done nothing to dispel that belief. Even if you have doubts, which most NFL people don’t, the solution is to put in Jeff Garcia? Garcia is going to carry a franchise? Then what do you do next year? Put in a 41 year old Garcia?? Or try to coax Favre out of retirement? That helps the long term health of your franchise? And what message does that send to your young players?? Whatever you say MR.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
YOU AND THE COACHING STAFF ? LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
LoNeal was having passes bounce off his hands just like both me and the coaching staff thought.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Mistabrown
Is this how you russle up a little human contact, Bashing Russell & Obama?
You need some attention?
June 8th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
OakGlenn, so on June 7th it wasnt you saying….it was the “coaching staff”.
On June 8th its just like “you” and the coaching staff said? LMAO
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Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
LoNeal was having passes bounce off his hands just like both me and the coaching staff thought.
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# Oakglenn Says:
June 7th, 2009 at 11:50 am
For the 90th time, I didn’t say that, the coaches and organization said it. Over and over. And I explained why to you, but once again, you could not grasp a simple concept. In one of the OTA’s this weeks passes were bouncing off his hands just like logic bounces off your brain onto the ground. Once again, mistaclown proves what we all know: HE is the local moronic idiot.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
**Repost is necessary because this is classic OakGlenn!**
First he said didnt say it! 24 hours later “he and the coaching staff knew all along”! You cant even make this stuff up!
Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
LoNeal was having passes bounce off his hands just like both me and the coaching staff thought.
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# Oakglenn Says:
June 7th, 2009 at 11:50 am
For the 90th time, I didn’t say that, the coaches and organization said it.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Mistabrownnose is always mad at something.
Besides he isn’t smart enough to know that Clinton was the only president to run a balanced budget. That both Bushes put us more in debt than any other administration.
Bush got us in the worst economic recession since the great depression (corporate greed was rewarded and it cannibalized itself) and Obama is supposed to get us out of this mess without raising taxes or spending money to stimulate the economy creating jobs.
Ok I am all ears what is your solution since you seem to know so much?
June 8th, 2009 at 5:46 pm
So about Frye …
He began last season as the Seahawks’ third-stringer behind Matt Hasselbeck and Seneca Wallace. He ended up making one start.
Before that, he had limited spots of success with the Browns before, in 2007, becoming the first opening-day quarterback to be traded after one game in NFL history.
For his career stats, click here.
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Ooooooohh, Watch out JaMarcus!!!
June 8th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Kell, this is what you call bashing Russell ? Are you a retarded stooge or what ?
Mistabrown Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
We will know by week 8 if JR is a bust or not this is his 3rd year I don’t give a Krap if he missed the first training camp he still played (horribly) his rookie season albeit for 3 games.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
missed-a-brain is the most brain deficient idiot of all time. I only come here anymore to hear his idiotic statements. I laugh for hours at his complete moronic statements.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Mistabrown
Why don’t you scrarch your ass and make yourself happy?
June 8th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
LoNeal was having passes bounce off his hands just like both me and the coaching staff thought.
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# Oakglenn Says:
June 7th, 2009 at 11:50 am
For the 90th time, I didn’t say that, the coaches and organization said it.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Oh goodie all the 1/2 wits are here now..
666
Kell
Oak
Oak, Wheres your right bewb TJ?
June 8th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
My bad,
I acknowledged someone in here desperately looking for attention.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Silver-n-Black666 Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Mistabrownnose is always mad at something.
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Naaa, he’s not mad, he’s stupid. Thinking global warming doesn’t exist isn’t being angry, it’s being stupid. Thinking the bush administration has actually helped the economy isn’t mad, it’s stupid. Thinking Farve is not a good QB is not mad, it’s stupid. Thinking the best defensive play call against a screen pass is a blitz, isn’t mad, it’s stupid. Thinking we tried a fake FG on 3rd down, isn’t mad, it’s moronic. Missed-a-brain has the market cornered on idiocy.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
missed-a-brain has completely lost his mind. He still lives with the other morons who think the world is flat.
June 8th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Silver-n-Black666 Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Mistabrownnose is always mad at something.
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Naaa, he’s not mad, he’s stupid. Thinking global warming doesn’t exist isn’t being angry, it’s being stupid. Thinking the bush administration has actually helped the economy isn’t mad, it’s stupid. Thinking Farve is not a good QB is not mad, it’s stupid. Thinking the best defensive play call against a screen pass is a blitz, isn’t mad, it’s stupid. Thinking we tried a fake FG on 3rd down, isn’t mad, it’s moronic. Missed-a-brain has the market cornered on idiocy.
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Nothing but Baits, to get attention. Nobody’s that stupid!
June 8th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
OakGlenn, since you are here can you explain these 2 statements you made that contradict one another?
Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
LoNeal was having passes bounce off his hands just like both me and the coaching staff thought.
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# Oakglenn Says:
June 7th, 2009 at 11:50 am
For the 90th time, I didn’t say that, the coaches and organization said it.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Kell, you have to keep it really, really simple with missed-a-brain. Here let me demonstrate:
Mistabrown Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
We will know by week 8 if JR is a bust or not this is his 3rd year
Mistabrown Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Russell is teeter tottering on BUST
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Well, if we will we by week 8 of year three than he can’t be teeter tottering on being a bust? Unless you are a moron. This is a complete contradiction and the guy made it in less than two hours. Unbelievable. The Coaching staff said LoNeal was not a match. I repeated that statement. So, yes, both the coaching staff and I said it. Not really a contraction. Sad that missed-a-brain has such a lack of any type of mental capacity.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
KK, you gotta keep it simple for missed-a-brain. Just Keep it simple with him. Jamarcus will throw a pass. Dmac should get some touches. Put in Mike Bush. That’s his level.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
# KoolKell Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
Silver-n-Black666 Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Mistabrownnose is always mad at something.
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Naaa, he’s not mad, he’s stupid. Thinking global warming doesn’t exist isn’t being angry, it’s being stupid. Thinking the bush administration has actually helped the economy isn’t mad, it’s stupid. Thinking Farve is not a good QB is not mad, it’s stupid. Thinking the best defensive play call against a screen pass is a blitz, isn’t mad, it’s stupid. Thinking we tried a fake FG on 3rd down, isn’t mad, it’s moronic. Missed-a-brain has the market cornered on idiocy.
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Nothing but Baits, to get attention. Nobody’s that stupid!
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hahahahahahaha. No, that’s the funniest part of all!! He IS THAT STUPID!!
June 8th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
OakGlenn, do you have a split personality? Explain these statements..
Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
LoNeal was having passes bounce off his hands just like both me and the coaching staff thought.
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# Oakglenn Says:
June 7th, 2009 at 11:50 am
For the 90th time, I didn’t say that, the coaches and organization said it.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
666,
Barback has spent more than both Bush’s & Clinton combined in ONLY 100 days but thats ok with you! Idiot! Wakeup!
Silver-n-Black666 Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
Besides he isn’t smart enough to know that Clinton was the only president to run a balanced budget. That both Bushes put us more in debt than any other administration.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
OakGlenn, dont create another post until you explain your dbl speak on post 116, thanks!
June 8th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
And for the rest of you, NO ONE making less than 16 career starts, with 3 different offensive coordinators in those starts, who had a major head coaching change right in the middle of those starts, after that head coach clearly did not believe in him, yet who continued to improve throughout his lst year starting, with no one around him, is clearly NOT a bust and only a total moron would think that. Looking at MR, Dud, and missed-a-brain here.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
OakGlenn, dont create another post until you explain your dbl speak on post 116, thanks in advance!
June 8th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
OakGlenn, do you have a split personality? Explain these statements..
Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
LoNeal was having passes bounce off his hands just like both me and the coaching staff thought.
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# Oakglenn Says:
June 7th, 2009 at 11:50 am
For the 90th time, I didn’t say that, the coaches and organization said it.
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Wow!! You really are an ignoramus aren’t you?? Here, let me explain it very slowly and simply, so even you can understand it. The coaching staff said LoNeal was not a fit. I repeated that statement. I said he is not a fit here. That is exactly what I thought which is EXACTLY what I wrote above. The reason was in the offense we run, the FB has to catch passes. That is not his forte. Apparently in practice, that has become obvious. Will he make the team?? Probably not. Because he is not a system fit. Great guy, not a system fit. A few things may change that, either they shift up the system, or he develops his pass catching ability, or during contact drills he becomes invaluable. Hard to believe a 17 year vet is going to play special teams tho. Not really a contradiction tho.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Ok I got it!
You didnt say it the coaches did & then you did say it just like the coaches did.
lmao
*dies*
The end!
June 8th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
Mistabrown Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
We will know by week 8 if JR is a bust or not this is his 3rd year
Mistabrown Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Russell is teeter tottering on BUST
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Now, you explain how he cannot be a bust until the 8th week of his third year, but he is teeter tottering on bust. I thought he couldn’t be a bust til his third year?
June 8th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Arguring with someone about Russell is like argueing with a 25 year old who’s trying to learn to read and write. He should know learning to play QB at this level takes time but he refuses to acknowledge it. They think he should be a pro-bowler by now. They look at all the periferal stuff as evidence of his ineptitude. What he does on the field had little bearing on anything.
So what you do then is move on. In Sept when the rubber meets the road we’ll see. All the ignorant talk will have to stop because the proof will be there for all to see. If he’s effective in the offense or if he struggles.
IMO Russell has everything it takes to be one of the most dominant QB’s ever. Let’s see if I’m right. I’m sure those hoping he fails can wait to pounce, so you’ll get your chance. But so far as Oak and KK have said the evidence shows he improved dramatically late in the year. If he takes off from there and improves further it wont be long before he will one of the better QB’s in the league. So we’ll see…
Just 2 months and it will all be on film……no need to continue the arguement. Just wait and see.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
Teeter tottering means he isnt there yet but he is close.
A 3rd grader can figure that out, you moron!
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If we won’t know for a year and a half, how do you know now you he is teeter tottering moron???? That doesn’t make sense! Dumbass.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Mark Sanchez is a bust. Now we won’t know that for three years, but I know now. That makes no sense. Unless, you’re a moron.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
This guy will never see the light Oak, let him wallow in the mire. Any one who mentions bust with this kid talentwise is clueless. Does he need to con tinue to improve YES YES YES. Like every other young QB in the league, even the great Matt Ryan.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Mistabrown Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
666,
Barback has spent more than both Bush’s & Clinton combined in ONLY 100 days but thats ok with you! Idiot! Wakeup!
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LMAO. Bush took over a booming economy and a budget surplus and caused the largest deficit in history. It’s not comparable. Unless you are a moron.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
BHP, missed-a-brain is a complete utter ignoramus. This moron must think we are still being ruled by Charlemagne.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Priest, let me repost this about Jam:
# Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
And for the rest of you, NO ONE making less than 16 career starts, with 3 different offensive coordinators in those starts, who had a major head coaching change right in the middle of those starts, after that head coach clearly did not believe in him, yet who continued to improve throughout his lst year starting, with no one around him, is clearly NOT a bust and only a total moron would think that. Looking at MR, Dud, and missed-a-brain here.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
Get him, Oakglenn. MB, stick to football.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Oakglenn says ” Most of the NFL doesnt have doubts(about Russell)”
What planet you been on?? Only guy in the NFL that DOESNT have doubts is Al Davis.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Russell is not a franchise qb. I’m sorry. You guys can shill for him by trying to bulk up his junk stats late in lost games but he’s not an NFL qb and never will be. Garcia is our only hope of winning 9 games. Guys, who’s been right the past 3 years? Who’s been wrong, year after year? (priest…)
June 8th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
# Dude Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Oakglenn says ” Most of the NFL doesnt have doubts(about Russell)”
What planet you been on?? Only guy in the NFL that DOESNT have doubts is Al Davis.
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Dud, no one thought coming out of college Jamarcus could not play the game at a high level. There was absolutely NO DOUBT about this guys abilities. The question amongst knowledgable people in the league was “Would the Raiders ruin him??” Well, with two head coaches, a complete debacle, and three offensive coordinators in his lst year starting later, the question on the table still stands.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
SnB666,
You write your own comedy? You are one funny MFer.LOL!!
June 8th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
WE will see…..
So Garcia is the only chance to win 9 games, well maybe we win 10+ with Russell if Garcia can win 9 becuase I think Russell will prove he’s the better QB in the preseason. No need to argue the point.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Trust me, Dude is hopeless…….move on
June 8th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
priest, if there’s no need to argue, why do you keep arguing? And “let’s see” is not an effective argument. It’s a cop out.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
missed-a-brain, here you go: Jamarcus is the quarterback. Dmac is the running back. A touchdown is six points.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Anyone with half a brain can see that Jamarcus Russell is a bonafide franchise Q.
June 8th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
preiest, Dude’s hopeless? What’s Al Davis’s record over the past 6 years? Talk about hopeless… Dude’s not running the team. The worst GM in all of sports is. The Raiders are hopeless as long as Al’s in charge. Don’t blame the fans.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
missed-a-brain I am not going to go into macroeconomic political theory and history. It is waaaaaaay beyond your mental capacity. Accept it.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
Anyone with half a brain can see that Jamarcus Russell is a bonafide franchise Q.
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Here missed-a-brain: Jamarcus is the quarterback.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Here missed-a-brain: The quarterback throws the football.
As for the rest of you: good nite now!
June 8th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
We are all aware. Your point is ?
# Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Here missed-a-brain: Jamarcus is the quarterback.
June 8th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
We are all aware. Your point is ?
# Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Here missed-a-brain: Jamarcus is the quarterback.
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I should have known even that was too advanced for you.
And now, good nite!!
June 8th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
#169 wasn’t me, it was DMunoz26. I swear!
June 8th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
DMunoz 26
You are going to get banned for that.
June 8th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
What’s up Nation.
June 8th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
POST OF THE YEAR:
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priesttj Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Arguring with someone about Russell is like argueing with a 25 year old who’s trying to learn to read and write. He should know learning to play QB at this level takes time but he refuses to acknowledge it. They think he should be a pro-bowler by now. They look at all the periferal stuff as evidence of his ineptitude. What he does on the field had little bearing on anything.
So what you do then is move on. In Sept when the rubber meets the road we’ll see. All the ignorant talk will have to stop because the proof will be there for all to see. If he’s effective in the offense or if he struggles.
IMO Russell has everything it takes to be one of the most dominant QB’s ever. Let’s see if I’m right. I’m sure those hoping he fails can wait to pounce, so you’ll get your chance. But so far as Oak and KK have said the evidence shows he improved dramatically late in the year. If he takes off from there and improves further it wont be long before he will one of the better QB’s in the league. So we’ll see…
Just 2 months and it will all be on film……no need to continue the arguement. Just wait and see.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Who mentored Manning,Mcnabb did Brady watch film with bledsoe yeah right , every team only has 1 starting qb. jruss needs help with his footwoork garcia’s is terrible always jumping to throw the ball.
Hopefully Lakers finish it in 4 no need to make it intresting lets just make it quick and get back the Laker trophy aka NBA Championship.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
I think JR will be a great QB, if he has the right people around him. I like the weapons he has on Offense, I also like the coaches ( from what I read), but I’m not sold on the Oline!
He needs a good Oline, and stability at coaches to be great.
June 8th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
This just in:
“The University of Tennessee was forced to self-report yet another minor rules infraction to the NCAA on Monday. This time, Lane Kiffin improperly hung a roll of toilet paper in the overhand fashion in the Vols’ coaches bathroom. It’s a lesser known infraction but still among the 9,879,938,789,479 NCAA rules on the books.”
June 8th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
We are all aware. Your point is ?
# Oakglenn Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Here missed-a-brain: Jamarcus is the quarterback.
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I guess that was too advanced for missed-a-brain. Maybe I should have dumbed it down a bit. Here missed-a-brain:
football players play football.
June 8th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
If I had to choose between Kiffin or Cable as our head coach? It would be Kiffin. Easily. Kiffin is no Parcells, but he’s far better than the puppet we had now. Coaches like Kiffin and Gruden are the best we’ll ever do.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Dude, “change” was a campaign slogan. Big deal. Is Obama the first to come up with a campaign catch phrase? Bottom line is, Democrats’ policies are more in the interest of the average American than the policies of Republicans. Republicans have no concern whatsoever for average Americans, and get their votes by telling average Americans that without them, we’ll get attacked. Funny thing is, that’s exactly what happened on their watch. Republicans will probably not get control of Washington again for 2 decades. Good for that.
June 8th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Actually, it’s really not funny we got attacked on Bush’s watch. But it’s true, and certainly ironic.
June 9th, 2009 at 2:14 am
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
If I had to choose between Kiffin or Cable as our head coach? It would be Kiffin. Easily. Kiffin is no Parcells, but he’s far better than the puppet we had now. Coaches like Kiffin and Gruden are the best we’ll ever do.
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What do you base this on? The only time Kiffin beat a team with a winning record was his first year against Cleveland when we needed a blocked field goal to win it.
Cable didn’t have a full season to implement his program yet managed 4 victories all against .500 & above teams. I’d say Cable’s domination in Denver, win over Houston(won 5 of their last 6), and victory in Tampa(destroying their playoff opportunity) blows away anything that idiot at Tennessee has done…Of course, this would require you to read or research something instead of talking out of your a$$ and presenting it as fact like ur boyfriend Warren Sapp.
June 9th, 2009 at 5:20 am
Morning NATION!!!
June 9th, 2009 at 5:42 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
4eva…How’s it going this morning?
June 9th, 2009 at 5:44 am
What’s 4eva im ready to get hammered for my Lakers tonight nothing better than shutting down a loud home crowd nothing get’s me going more than the Beat LA chant except anytime I hear TD RAIDERS!!!!!!!!
June 9th, 2009 at 5:56 am
Hmmm…seems like Politics 101 was in here again last night…?
June 9th, 2009 at 6:02 am
Wait…I seem to remember seeing last night that the Raiders signed Charlie Frye. Really?
June 9th, 2009 at 6:18 am
Charlie Frye oh no it’s on he told garcia and jruss he is bout it.
June 9th, 2009 at 6:20 am
Wouldn’t it be funny if he beats out everyone for the starting job? Wait…that wouldn’t be funny…that would be sad!!! He is bout it…oh oh…Frye’s been listening to Master P?
June 9th, 2009 at 6:27 am
Whats Good Nation??? hwnrdr, NoMo, 4eva good mornin gents!!
LOL @ frye I think A.W. mom could beat him out for the number 3 spot!!! I See Bobby was on here in one or all his different personalites last night funny Shhhizzz man!!!!
June 9th, 2009 at 6:28 am
H*
my bad brother!!!! lol
June 9th, 2009 at 6:33 am
No problem OAK…Good Morning!
Yeah, AW should beat out Frye. Oh wait, you said his mom…LOL.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:23 am
LOLOLOL @ irreconcilable differences.
Mrs. Bonds: “Your honor, his weewee has shriveled up and fallen off!!”
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Barry Bonds’ Wife Files For Legal Separation
LOS ANGELES (CBS 5 / AP)
The former San Francisco Giants’ slugger and Liz Watson were married in 1998 and have a 10-year-old daughter, Aisha.
Watson cited irreconcilable differences in papers filed by her lawyer on Monday in Los Angeles Superior Court. She is seeking spousal support and joint legal and physical custody.
Bonds, major league baseball’s home run leader, is awaiting trial after pleading not guilty to lying to a federal grand jury in December 2003 when he denied knowingly taking performance-enhancing drugs. The trial has been delayed because of a dispute over admissible evidence.
Bonds’ first marriage to Susann Margreth Branco ended in a highly publicized divorce in 1994.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Charlie Frye?!?! I’ve seen Charlie Frye, and he is no Danny Southwick!
June 9th, 2009 at 7:36 am
There was a lot of good stuff in here last night, but this one takes the cake. I am certainly not the grammar police, but the irony of this one is undeniable!
In his comment BHP claims that “”arguring” (I think he meant arguing) with someone about Russell is like “argueing” (again, I think he meant arguing) with a 25 year old who’s trying to learn to read and write.”
He goes on to say “periferal” when I think he meant peripheral. And later on he got tripped up by that “arguement” word again…
I guess what BHP was trying to say is that arguing about Russell is like arguing with himself; a person still trying to learn how to read and write! However, I doubt BHP is 25…more like 55 probably.
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priesttj Says:
June 8th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Arguring with someone about Russell is like argueing with a 25 year old who’s trying to learn to read and write. He should know learning to play QB at this level takes time but he refuses to acknowledge it. They think he should be a pro-bowler by now. They look at all the periferal stuff as evidence of his ineptitude. What he does on the field had little bearing on anything.
So what you do then is move on. In Sept when the rubber meets the road we’ll see. All the ignorant talk will have to stop because the proof will be there for all to see. If he’s effective in the offense or if he struggles.
IMO Russell has everything it takes to be one of the most dominant QB’s ever. Let’s see if I’m right. I’m sure those hoping he fails can wait to pounce, so you’ll get your chance. But so far as Oak and KK have said the evidence shows he improved dramatically late in the year. If he takes off from there and improves further it wont be long before he will one of the better QB’s in the league. So we’ll see…
Just 2 months and it will all be on film……no need to continue the arguement. Just wait and see.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Charlie Frye? VICTORY!!!!!!
June 9th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Wow, I am glad to see that the Raiders’ PR department is hard at work calling Kiffin a liar and claiming he will destroy Tenn…but they remained almost silent while the media reported Russell weighed 300 + lbs prior to last season.
What a crack PR department we have!
Is the focus of the team on winning, or is it on revenge? Al Davis sold out the 2008 season to build a case against Kiffin for Al’s personal gratification at having on-upped the snotty kid. Unbelievable.
June 9th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Isn’t Kiffin a liar?
June 9th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Dakota Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 7:36 am
There was a lot of good stuff in here last night, but this one takes the cake. I am certainly not the grammar police, but the irony of this one is undeniable!
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I have NO Room to talk I caint spall werth ah darn. But that was funny stuf.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:02 am
This just in Lane Kiffin is not the Raiders head coach anymore so unless you’re an UT or SEC rival fan who gives a s*!t!
Will Hulk Hogan be at tonights game not front row of course he can’t afford it maybe 10 rows back.
GO RAIDERS!!!!
GO LAKERS!!!!!
June 9th, 2009 at 8:02 am
What is your point Bo?
June 9th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Well, the PR dept. seems to be sticking to the truth. Kiffin = liar. When the rumors were circulating that Jawalrus was approaching bovine proportions, the PR department could not truthfully deny it.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Also, the lawyers were writing the Kiffin statements. With Jamarcus’ weight, the coaches were probably the only one’s who knew the truth and didn’t realize the PR value in bending it.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:20 am
I have some concerns…someone provide a response
1. I am not sure the three running back system is going to work. Someone is going to be left with very, very few meaningfull carries. Probably Michael Bush is the odd man out. DMAC is a high draft pick and Justin Fargas is Tom Cable’s favorite player in the NFL.
2. Darrius Heyward-Bey and Mike Mitchell will not make much of a contribution this year. The Raiders are bad at playing rookies for some reason. Also, DHB is going to have a hard time cracking the starting lineup. Chaz Schilens is taking big steps as a player and leader on the team. He’s fast, big and motivated to work hard. Javon Walker is a veteran, who if healthy, will probably be a better route runner/hands then DHB. Also, JLH is looking good.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Bo, I don’t think there was any way Russell was over 300 lbs prior to last season as the media claimed. The PR dept (Al and Herrera) could have dispelled the rumor and saved Russell much embarrassment. Instead they pretty much ignored it and let the damage be done.
Why even have a “PR” department if they only focus on the revenge stories?
June 9th, 2009 at 8:21 am
I love that Lane is taking his Dad down with him in Knoxville.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Dakota I agree,good post 154:
Revenge,the very nature of it is pure evil,imo.Lets hope the organization is bent on winning this season and not revenge
June 9th, 2009 at 8:23 am
The Lane Kiffin discussion is pointless. Al Davis hired Lane Kiffin. Davis hired him. No one was pushing for his hire, no one had him as an elite coaching talent and he had no track record.
So all this noise from the Raiders and media against Kiffin is pointless. The real issue is that Kiffin and Davis had a falling out once Davis wouldn’t let Kiffin fire Rob Ryan. Instead of manning up, Kiffin sulked and wanted out of Oakland when he realized he didn’t have control of his coaching staff.
But Kiffin was a fool too. You know that in Oakland, Al Davis is a hands-on general manager. And Davis should have asked Kiffin during the interview if he was OK with the GM picking the staff and players.
Enough already
June 9th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Kiffin gets all the blame imo. He is the one that wanted to fight the boss instead of coach the team. The opening night debacle was not created by Al Davis. Thats why its still relevant. My question is are the Gannon coaching rumors true or fiction?
June 9th, 2009 at 8:32 am
MaddenRedneck,
No, Al Davis gets all the blame. He hired a head strong coach who wanted control of his coaching staff and significant input over the roster. Davis made a knee-jerk hiring decision when he realized that Sarkisian didn’t want the job and there was no other credible candidates in the field.
So he just reached and took the young guy who was in the interview room with Sarkisian.
Kiffin gets blame for not understanding the situation he was going in too. He knew Davis was hands on…yet he sulked and cried his way out when Davis’ management style became reality to him.
Tom Cable is actually the type of coach that can succeed with Al Davis. A guy that can motivate the players, be a face to the media and manage the offense. All while working with Al Davis’ hands on management style.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Kiffin will get a rude awakening trying to run the football 80% of the time in the SEC because he has poor QB play.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Dakota says:
Is the focus of the team on winning, or is it on revenge? Al Davis sold out the 2008 season to build a case against Kiffin for Al’s personal gratification at having on-upped the snotty kid. Unbelievable.
Why even have a “PR” department if they only focus on the revenge stories?
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Just replace Al Davis with the Republicans & we can say the same for your party. No answers but lots of attacks!! At least Davis is trying to answer whats going on with ideas.
Besides since I’ve been rooting for the Raiders we didn’t have a PR dept. shouldn’t have one now just show the league our fingers & remind them of the “tuck bowl”!!!
June 9th, 2009 at 8:34 am
The Raiders could care less what the media thinks and its rubbing off on the players, which is a good thing.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:37 am
I disagree, I think Kiffin was the only sabatour in Oakland after Davis gave him a chance to coach the team with the players he asked for. When it started failing Davis wanted change and Kiffin started his back stabbing ways.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Mike Bush will be to good to keep of the field just watch fargas run into pile after pile not bothering to ever look up , Cable can love fargas all he wants but bush got him the job.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:40 am
I think cable won the job when the last Kiffin turncoat went to Knoxville and he took over that man’s duties of coaching the offensive line. anyone could have ran all over the Bucs the way the line was blocking. Bush will get his chance if he keeps his attitude right.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Anyone got any more info on Gannon’s comments about helping Hackett coach Russell?
June 9th, 2009 at 8:42 am
NoMoreFargas Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Mike Bush will be to good to keep of the field just watch fargas run into pile after pile not bothering to ever look up , Cable can love fargas all he wants but bush got him the job.
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How do you see the carries breaking down with three running backs? Let’s say that the Raiders run the ball 30 – 35x a game. That will leave room for about 20 to 25 passing plays.
So how will those 30 carries be split. You gotta figure DMAC is getting at least 50% of the carries. So that leaves 15 carries to split between Bush and Fargas. I don’t think Bush will be very effective just getting 8 to 10 carries a game. I say this because Fargas is going to get the ball.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:47 am
The other new rumor is Gruden attending a Raiders practice sometime in the future.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Funny that there is no commentary today from Bobert Ignatowski. Why? I had him banned…
June 9th, 2009 at 8:52 am
I don’ know if dmac will ever be a 20+ carry rb, I see him more about touches I would throw to him more than an other Raider he has the best hands line him up every where. 15+ carries for dmac, 10+bush and fargas can have the 1qt 5+. It is a hard think to balance 3 guys but Bush and Dmac can really catch the ball and that makes them so much more versatile than fargas. Of course dmac was terrible at picking up the blitz last year and thats were fargas outshines him .
Of course who knows how thinks ever work out watch all 3 get hurt and rankin step up.
June 9th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Or maybe we could have Dmac also splitting time with JLH in the slot.Keep JLH doing 20-30 yard sprints then send in Dmac in slot with Fargas&Bush in backfield together.The safetys an LB’s would be dog-tired by the 4th,4sure
June 9th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Its funny how the media bias plays out regarding the Raiders and Russell. He has been in Oakland working since the end of last season and left one time for a week to attend his uncle’s funeral, yet his work ethic is questioned because he was drafted by Al Davis.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:02 am
NoMoreFargas,
I guess we will see. I think Tom Cable is going to keep Fargas in the mix. That means about 10 carries a game. While DMAC can catch the ball, let’s not forget that he’s a running back first..not a receiver. DMAC is another RB that needs about 15+ CARRIES a game because of his ability to take any carry a long way.
The Raiders should just focus the offense on DMAC and Bush…getting both players 15 to 20 rushes a game. That would be healthy for the year and ensure that those playmakers get enough carries to make a big play or two.
I just don’t see Michael Bush being effective getting less than 15 carries a game.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Bush can throw out of the toss sweep and Fargas can’t. I think Fargas gets fazed out based on how much Bush and McFadden can grasp the playbook.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:12 am
And if you think Davis has no input in the offensive side of the ball you have no watched Raider football for very long. After Kiffin left and Cable retooled the offense those plays were straight out of the 80’s Raider playbook using throws on outside runs, deep routes, dump offs, and play action. The new wrinkle is the cut blocking.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:14 am
4evaRaider Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Or maybe we could have Dmac also splitting time with JLH in the slot.Keep JLH doing 20-30 yard sprints then send in Dmac in slot with Fargas&Bush in backfield together.The safetys an LB’s would be dog-tired by the 4th,4sure
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DMAC should be good for 3 to 4 catches a game. Remember, the passing game is supposed to be more of a threat this year…especially if Schilens continues progressing and if DHB is a top 10 overall pick…you would think they would like to see him get at least 40 or 50 catches this year. Not to mention a healthy Javon Walker and JLH.
The Raiders have a good problem to have. A lot of potential playmakers…key on potential….that can make plays. My concern is that Cable gets the ball to the playmaking guys and not run an overally conservative bland offense that features Justin Fargas.
Because that’s what happened last year
June 9th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Funny that there is no commentary today from Bobert Ignatowski. Why? I had him banned…
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Ignatowski!!!LOL @ booby bob…come to think of it hadnt seen him since yester day when he was bad mouthing Jerry!!! and me and you and Double R come to think of it slobo dorko was on a war path yester day hope hes gone…(even tho he is mildly amussing!!!)
June 9th, 2009 at 9:14 am
lol at RaiderTW…one track mind?
June 9th, 2009 at 9:17 am
MaddenRedneck Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 9:12 am
And if you think Davis has no input in the offensive side of the ball you have no watched Raider football for very long. After Kiffin left and Cable retooled the offense those plays were straight out of the 80’s Raider playbook using throws on outside runs, deep routes, dump offs, and play action. The new wrinkle is the cut blocking.
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There is less input on the offensive side. He let Kiffin and Gruden run the WCO, He let Art Shell hire the B&B guy. Norv Turner ran his offense…just had no talent…Meanwhile the defensive scheme has stayed static for a long time.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:23 am
I agree he lets the coach call the plays and sometimes allowed them to used the WCO if the personnel merits it but I am happy they are forcing the verticle stretch which will open up the horizontal passing game they like to call the WCO.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:26 am
In 2000 when they lost to Baltimore the only way they could have beaten them was by throwing deeper routes but the receivers were way to slow. Same thing happened in the Superbowl. Then the defenses just shut the run down because they know your receivers can’t get deep quick enough to avoid the pass rush.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:31 am
We could have beaten Baltimore in 2000 had our QB not been knocked out of the game.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:32 am
MaddenRedneck,
I am all for the vertical vs. horizontal attack. My concern is Tom Cable’s playcalling and personnel choices. As explosive as all these guys can be, it won’t matter for much if they aren’t getting catches/carries.
For example, DHB, Louis Murphy and Michael Bush should see a lot of time this year. My guess is that Javon Walker and Justin Fargas will be taking up more of the time. Now, maybe those two just had off years last season. Maybe Fargas gets back to a 4.4 or 4.5 per carry average and learns to catch…maybe Walker’s knee was an issue last year. We will see I guess…I hope we are not in here later this fall complaining about Bush only getting 4 or 5 carries and DHB sitting on the bench.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:39 am
I wonder what kind of “mentor” Gannon was for Tuiasosopo. Empirical evidence would suggest he was odious. The list of great players who were also productive mentors is stunningly short, methinks.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Vertical this and WCO that…blah, blah, blah…whatever happened to Just Win Baby?
I don’t care what offense we run or who the real defensive coordinator is, or who our GM is as long as we win some friggin games.
June 9th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Derrick Brook’s helmet was a great mentor for Gannon’s broadcasting career…
June 9th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Michael Bush was a great mentor for Gruden’s broadcasting career…
June 9th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Hard to argue we win with gannon in 2000 that 3rd&long 98 yrd td by sharpe was the game , man do i hate dorsett and pope.
Dorsett,Pope,Gibson,scwiegert,Huff I dare any other team to match that garbage at 1 pos .
June 9th, 2009 at 9:47 am
“First-year receivers coach Sanjay Lal has made position meetings more “family-friendly,” rearranging chairs from classroom-setting rows to a round table.
“Coach Sanjay lets us comment on whether that’s a catch or if it was a good play or not,” Heyward-Bey said. “If guys are staggered around, it’s like you are all just kind of looking around and back and you can’t get into it. At a round table, it’s more like a conference; everyone’s into it.”
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I for one like this. You can say it’s not a big deal, but I’m looking for positives and this is one. I wonder if the reports of Javon “coaching” the young WRs has anything to do w/ Lal…?
June 9th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Bo, why would Gannon mentor Tui? Gannon was at the top of his game when he was here…he had plenty to do getting ready to take the Raiders on SB runs. He didn’t have time to play mentor to some worthless QB. Maybe if Gannon’s career hadn’t suddenly ended and instead he took the long, windy road of playing backup in the league for a few years to prolong his career, maybe then he would have put his mentoring hat on.
While Gannon was winning an MVP and winning tons of games, I have to give him a pass on not mentoring Tui. If Tui didn’t just sit back and follow Gannon’s lead by observing and copying his work ethic and attitude, well that is on Tui, not on Gannon IMO.
Same goes for any great player…I think you are right about them not being great mentors…they are too busy playing and winning, and trying to maintain a certain level of competitiveness. The players that make great mentors are the ones that sat the bench for the first couple of years and then got some playing time in which they played okay, and then sat the bench again (Dilfer)…giving them multiple perspectives on the game and time to think about what it really takes to play and how to pass that info on.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Winding road, not windy road, lol.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:03 am
The players mentoring younger players is overrated for sure. The coaches are the ones charged with getting the player skilled up and ready to go. The most a veteran can do for a younger player is be a good example and/or provide some competition.
A veteran isn’t going to breakdown throwing mechanics any better than the coaches. In fact, the coaches are probably more qualified in that regard. Coaches are the ones that will teach the player how to break down film and the coaches are the ones that set expectations.
A veteran like Garcia can only help by providing a good example and giving little tips here and there. But Garcia is not going to be the guy coaching up Russell on playing the position. AGain, maybe a hint or two.
Coaches mean a ton more than this veteran mentorship stuff. This isn’t carpentry here.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:06 am
I always find it’s the job of the young guy who wants knowledge to go to the veteran and learn . Their is nothing wrong with asking questions and advice of some who has more exp unfortunately when us guy are young we have egos and don’t always want help or are to inmature to ask for it.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:06 am
NoMoreFargas,
here’s hoping that Tyvon and “Missile” Mike make all of us forget that Anthony and Marquez ever existed.
Nader64,
nice post. the round table gives less vocal persons a good opportunity to interact as everyone is on equal ground. I would assume that it also builds a camaraderie that school rows cannot.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:06 am
I wander why we just signed Frye. He is worse than Gradkowski isn’t he? Maybe Walter will get cut now. His pouty attitude is the opposite of what Cable is trying to get from the team.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:07 am
SnB,
I think you are right. The place where vets can really help young players the most is probably with off the field issues that come with the money and fame. Hopefully J. Walker isn’t mentoring DHB too much, lol.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:09 am
BoSJack,
are you mentoring us with your fine and witty observations?
June 9th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Dakota,
post 193. Exactly. WCO, Vertical, T-Formation, who cares? Just win some games.
by the way, you are being most cordial in your writing. Is it the ghost of George Mikan smiling through?
June 9th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Will Mike Mitchell and DHB make significant contributions this year? The Raiders are usually not very good with getting rookies on the field.
DHB should be expected to grab 40 to 50 catches this year. Especially for a top 10 pick. I hope that the Raiders put him on the field. If for nothing else…to justify skipping over all the talent at other positions of need.
Same with Mike Mitchell. The Raiders made a big splash to get him. I hope he doesn’t get lost on special teams.
Again, Tom Cable’s lineup strategy still concerns me.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Thx M, and the truth is that position can only improve this year. I think it will.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Walker: Okay DHB, if you want to have a great time spraying Champaign on people in clubs I am the man that can mentor you.
DHB: Well, okay, but didn’t that get you into trouble with…
Walker: Never mind that! Sometimes you have to take your lumps in order to perfect the act.
DHB: Okay, I think I understand.
Walker: Alright then, lets get to it…the first thing is you have to get the right bottle of Champaign and with your big money rookie contract the only thing that will fly is Krisal, understand?
DHB: Got it.
Walker: The next important factor is thumb placement on the mouth of the bottle. You can’t place your thumb too far forward on the mouth because then the Kristal will explode in a 360 degree pattern, getting you and your clothes wet! You have to keep your thumb back and solidly pressed down to make the water shoot out in a forward pattern.
DHB: Yeah, that makes sense!
Walker: The next key is bottle placement, you have to hold the bottle out in front of you, not to your side or else you again get yourself wet.
DHB: Okay.
Walker: Finally, the shake. This might be the most important factor in a great Champaign spraying party so listen carefully. The first movement of your arm has to be upwards, otherwise you will crack yourself in the balls, got it?
DHB: Thanks man! Can we go to Vegas as soon as I sign my contract and try it out?
Walker: Sure we can, but before we take off for Vegas, remind me to teach you how to buy drugs and gay sex in Vegas without being beaten within an inch of your life and kicked to the curb.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Dakota, u suk, lol.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:22 am
M Lonetree Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Dakota,
post 193. Exactly. WCO, Vertical, T-Formation, who cares? Just win some games.
by the way, you are being most cordial in your writing. Is it the ghost of George Mikan smiling through?
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No, it is because Lefty12 and Haysedaze called me out for being an A-hole last week. So I took a look back, and sure enough, I was being an A-hole.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Watched the Week 17 Tampa game last night. Feeling pretty good about JaMarcus right now. He did make 4 sloppy plays that showed inexperience/lack of polish:
– Threw an INT that was called back because of a facemask.
– Threw another INT on the very next play.
– Had the ball slip out of his hand when he was untouched on one pass.
– Was outside the tackle on a screen play that got blown up. Instead of throwing the ball away out of bounds past the line of scrimmage, he threw in down at the ground in the backfield which is intentional grounding regardless of whether you’re outside the tackle. He had time to try to find another WR, run or throw it out of bounds on this play.
Other than that he looked very, very good. A lot of passes were not only accurate and thrown with touch, they were also going 10-20 yards downfield. Very few were checkdowns. It’s also clear he has the best arm in the league. This isn’t all about ‘wow, he can throw it 80 yards.’ He’s able to throw the ball with such zip that it gets to guys open 20 yards downfield before the defender can react and break on it. By contrast, Jeff Garcia threw a 20-yard pass to an open receiver where Hiram Eugene was able to break on it and would’ve had an INT if he hadn’t dropped it when he hit the ground. On another pass, a fade route, Rashad Baker broke on the ball after it was thrown and did pick it off. Defenders would never be able to make those plays with a JaMarcus laser-like pass. He also has a perfect, quick release. If he can sharpen his overall accuracy and decision-making, he’ll absolutely tear defenses apart.
The o-line was also great. I don’t think they gave up a sack. Also, don’t get too down on Cornell Green. He and Cooper Carlisle were opening freeways on the right side of the line in that game. He’s definitely a solid backup and if he beats out Barnes for starting RT, so be it.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Starting lineup:
QB: Russell
RB: Fargas
FB: Neal
WR1: Walker
WR2: Schilens
TE: Miller
June 9th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Dakota,
self-reflexion, good on you. sometimes we get caught up in ourselves too much to see rightly. as Neil Young sung, “And there ain’t nothin’ like a friend, who can tell you you’re just pi$$in” in the wind.”
and as you are the grammar cop. Champaign is a So Illinois town. Champagne is a province in France.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Come on SnB,
No way Fargas starts again.
I could see Walker starting though, but could just as easily see DHB, JLH or Murphy winning that spot.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:30 am
reflection
June 9th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Chris in NY,
Great post, but I think every o-line (except Atlanta’s) playing against the Bucs D the last 4 weeks or so of the season dominated the Bucs…their defense was trash at the end of the year.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Voldemort Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 10:06 am
I wander why we just signed Frye. He is worse than Gradkowski isn’t he? Maybe Walter will get cut now. His pouty attitude is the opposite of what Cable is trying to get from the team.
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I wonder why the Raiders are holding on to Walter. After going threw hell with the Bed & Breakfast offense, he has been written off by all the new coaching staffs and given zero chance of winning the starting job. This has indeed turned AW to the dark side. Now he gets buried under a bunch of journeymen pickups. It would be best for both Walter and the Raiders to give him his freedom.
The only reason I can figure Davis is holding onto Walter is to make sure that he does not end up in Denver. Davis will trade Walter to an NFC team for a bag of towels before possibly helping Denver.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:31 am
One other thing,
Chaz Schilens could definitely break out. Great size. Great hands. Great speed. Great attitude. He looked damn good vs. TB. If he’s noticeably better this year as is being reported, he could potentially threaten to be the best WR in the AFC West. I’m not kidding. A great last-round sleeper pick for you fantasy leaguers out there.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Chris in NY Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Come on SnB,
No way Fargas starts again.
I could see Walker starting though, but could just as easily see DHB, JLH or Murphy winning that spot.
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Why do you see no way that Fargas starts again. He was the starter for every game down the stretch. The only reason Bush played in week 17 was because Fargas was injured (again). So all I am saying is that until I actually see DMAC or Bush working with the 1st team exclusively and Fargas primarily working with the 2nd or 3rd teams….Fargas is the guy.
Tom Cable loves Justin Fargas like Al Davis loved Rob Ryan. Cable is going to play the “leader” because he is enamoured by having his guys out there. Problem is that Fargas is not as talented as DMAC or Bush, even if his preparation and leadership is better. Fargas is going to get 10 to 12 carries a game.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Defensive Starters:
DE: Richardson
DT: Kelly
NT: Warren
DE: Burgess
WLB: Howard
MLB: Morrison
SLB: Brown
CB: Asomugha
CB: Johnson
FS: Eugene
SS: Branch
June 9th, 2009 at 10:35 am
I said I wasn’t the Grammar police! lol…see, I drink whiskey, not the bubbly so I don’t even know how to spell it!
June 9th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Did we sign Charlie Frye because Charlie Batch was not available and we somehow felt compelled to have a Charlie on the team?
June 9th, 2009 at 10:36 am
True Dakota,
But I don’t think Green was nearly as bad as most people think. He certainly wasn’t the liability that Kwame was. He’s serviceable and maybe better than average as a run-blocker.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Good Morning Gents.
Dakota,
LMAO at post 209
June 9th, 2009 at 10:41 am
SnB,
I know the Raiders love Fargas. I don’t think he’s a bad player, but DMac and Bush just have so much more potential. In a couple of media sessions this off-season, in talking about the running game, Cable has mentioned DMac and Bush while omitting Fargas’ name. Plus they were reportedly trying to trade Fargas this off-season. I think they’d like to have him around as a leader and will probably feel obliged to play him some because of that, but I think they know DMac and Bush are the better backs with much more upside.
Plus, don’t discount the fact that without Bush’s performance in Week 17, Cable would probably not have a HC job in the NFL right now. Don’t discount the respect for Bush’s ability that fact has earned.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:41 am
During the Marc Wilson years I always wished they would just direct snap the ball to Marcus Allen, keep the QB’s hands off the ball.
Now we have the wildcat. Raiders could line up, then split J-Russ out next to the left tackle and direct snap it to Bush or DMAC— Russell’s bigger than most outside linebackers. That might be the most effective mentoring.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:45 am
I hope this doesn’t happen:
Media: Coach, when do you think we will see more touches for McFadden and Bush
Cable: Well, I think a lot of that depends on the flow of the game. Fargas’ leadership really is a core to this team. We try to get DMAC and Bush depending on situation or the pace of the game. Right now I like how our line up is situated. We have our leaders out there and I like the hard work.
Media: Keeping on the DMAC issue, it seemed the offense came alive when McFadden got some carries in the 3rd quarter. Will we see more of him next week?
Cable: Oh sure, we try to get all our players out there. Darren is learning..progressing, and I like where this kid can go. We will continue to make him part of the offense
Media: We didn’t see a lot of Heyward-Bey today. What was the reason?
Cable: Well Javon Walker, like Fargas, provides a lot of leadership. He knows the route tree and I trust his veteran leadership. Heyward-Bey is a good kid and I look forward to seeing him get better as we go.
Media: Trevor Scott had 2 sacks in the 4th QTR. Why wasn’t he in the game earlier?
Cable: Again, Trevor Scott has a motor on him. He splits the tackle in half and beats his man. Right now, John and I are teaching a lot of concepts. So Derrick and Jay have a little bit more of a grasp on some of those techniques. But Scott is a great kid that we will get into the game plan as we go forward.
Media: Mike Mitchell. Couple of good hits in the 2nd QTR but mostly he saw special teams duty.
Cable: Mike Mitchell is a great kid. Hard worker. Right now he is learning behind Hiram Eugene. Eugene is one of those players that is a leader and hard worker and is providing a great example for Mike.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:45 am
ChrisNY,
Green may have been a bulldozer in that final game, but that was B.M.H. – the Before Mop handle era. Cornell will likely be good for a least one personal foul per game with the all the razzing he’s going to hear from opposing lineman about beating on his woman with a cleaning implement. Human nature demands his response.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Chris,
I don’t know, Green had 8 penalties and gave up 7.5 sacks playing against run-stopping DEs at RT in 2008. He can run black pretty well, but we need much more protection out of our RT for Russell…and fewer drive killing penalties. If Barnes (who had 9 penalties and gave up 7.5 sacks against better competition playing LT) can’t beat out Green for RT, and improve his play and lower his penalties, then I think we are pretty much screwed.
Green has always been bad, but Barnes at least had a couple of decent seasons before 2008…but will Barnes accept a move to RT? He is already squawking about not wanting to move.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Green should be a G, and not an OT. IMHO
June 9th, 2009 at 10:47 am
STARTING OFFENSE:
QB- JaMarcus
RB- McFadden
FB- Neal
WR- Schilens
WR- DHB
TE- Miller
LT- Henderson
LG- Gallery
C- Satele
RG- Carlisle
RT- Barnes
STARTING DEFENSE:
DE- Burgess
DT- Kelly
DT- Warren
DE- Scott
WLB- Howard
MLB- Morrison
SLB- Alston
CB- Nnamdi
CB- C. Johnson
S- Branch
S- Mitchell
June 9th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Raider O Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Green should be a G, and not an OT. IMHO
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Green should be in jail and not on an NFL roster IMO. Unless his girlfriend outweighed him and the mop handle was used in self-defense of course!
June 9th, 2009 at 10:51 am
SnB,
You totally nailed Cable’s mindset/answers in post 228. Hopefully things don’t play out like that this year.
June 9th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Dakota,
LMFAO, I forgot about the mop handle!!
June 9th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Offensively, our season might come down to:
1) Henderson becoming a legit LT, 2) Satele regaining his strength and playing well at center, 3) Carlisle not continuing his downward spiral that began in 2008 and 4) Barnes accepting the RT job and playing more to his 2006-2007 form than his 2008 form.
Those issues really bother me, but I guess the Raiders know that all will be right with the o-line as they passed over tons of o-line talent in favor of supplementing the WR and S positions.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Pears will wind up starting somewhere along to O-line.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Pears ever play RG? I think Cooper might crash this year…
June 9th, 2009 at 11:05 am
—236 Yeah the draft was full of O-line talent this year
June 9th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Lakers in 6 was my prediction. 1 in Orlando and close the show in L.A.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Pears is good enough to play most any position, he is one of the reasons they did not draft 0-line.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Defensively the season comes down to:
1. Gerard Warren’s ability to become a guy that commands the double team up the middle to keep the LBs clean
2. Kirk Morrison being able to get his shoulder pads on the other side of the line of scrimmage
3. Using Thomas Howard to get blitz pressure (how can he have only 1 sack last year)
4. Better play at the SLB and DE position to hold the edge
Opponents are going to run the ball on the Raiders until they demonstrate an ability to consistently stop it. No opponent is going to pass 1st unless they have a superior passing game. And looking at the schedule, there are maybe 4 games that fit the bill as superior passing teams. (San Diego twice), Houston and Philly.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Pittsburg?
June 9th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Dakota
“Hells Bells”
Later
June 9th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Dell
Good to see you
Warren Hayes!!!!
June 9th, 2009 at 11:27 am
SNB666
Glad your back, liked the Elvis impersonator you were.
Koko Taylor died last week, we are losing many great one’s, pretty sad.
Off to lunch, talk soon.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:28 am
IMO the season comes down to:
1)Offense: Jamarcus proving to everybody else he is the leader of the offense, outworking everybody else and getting after the slackers (instead of being THE slacker).
2)Defense: Our fat DL stops being a complete disgrace, and our safeties understand what the heck they are doing back there.
June 9th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Dakota Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Chris,
I don’t know, Green had 8 penalties and gave up 7.5 sacks playing against run-stopping DEs at RT in 2008. He can run black pretty well…
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What else does he do black pretty well?
June 9th, 2009 at 11:37 am
RIP Koko. Saw her many times, always bumpin.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
MaddenRedneck Says:
June 9th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Its funny how the media bias plays out regarding the Raiders and Russell. He has been in Oakland working since the end of last season and left one time for a week to attend his uncle’s funeral, yet his work ethic is questioned because he was drafted by Al Davis.
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Exactly! The media are just spin doctors who spin things based on their own opinion instead of being honest and straight forward ahnd objective.
If Russell was on the Pats or Steelers BSPN, NFL Network and everyother national media outlet would spin things toward the positive regarding Russell.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Yeah I listen to Koko and there is an Elvis connection as she wrote the song Hound Dog that Elvis made big.
Yeah Dell I was banned for a week 4 calling jerry lazy and had to use my Elvis moniker to post.
I am back now and I know the two things that will get you banned so I will stay away from those comments.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
lol, run block, not black..Karma is a biotch.
June 9th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
*******NFL Mentoring, Bull, what a joke!!!******
******Here is some real mentoring-watch video clip****
You know this whole mentoring thing is based off of perception. Who is to say there were not guys who learned from Jerry Rice just because one day they were in the locker room and he was out in the field or Tim Brown or Eric Allen for that matter? Gannon was a good QB but he seemed like a real pain in the butt!! I have been mentored by guys on the job who lots of times have not even known it. You just observe what they do and how they do it. You ask them some questions every once in a while but you still have to do the job. Most of these NFL guys have really been getting mentored since they played pony football in elementary school. As grown men they may not want to come out and say, “hey pal can I buddy up with you.” That does not mean they don’t respect the veteran. They just have a method that has worked for them as well, which has got them a certain amount of success.
Now as far as JAM goes his game will speak volumes for him. I get tired of people calling the guy lazy and going off on some pictures he has partying. He is young and rich, what do you expect? Ton Brady, Matt Lienart, Eli Manning all have party pictures. Why aren’t they being called lazy? Marino liked to party it up as well in college and after. He never won a Superbowl. Is he lazy? By the way do you all recall who Garcia married? Now does Garcia like to party or what? If there is anyone you should be worried about partying after moving back to the Bay area I would look out for Garcia (how quickly we forget).
Just because the Raiders went out and got Garcia does not mean JAM has to buddy up with him every day of the week. He may like to get some pointers from him but at the end of the day he knows football is a competitive sport and guess what? Garcia wants his job!!!! Don’t listen to all that bull about wanting him to succeed so bad that he will take the splinters for JAM. Garcia is a competitor first he wants the job. How many of you would buddy up with a guy trying to take your job? You may take some pointers from the guys style or his craft but he will never truly be your mentor and buddy. Most of these guys including Rice, Brown and Gannon have the biggest egos on the planet. Just because a guy is great does not mean he is great to be around every day.
I will never forget when Deion Sanders said Andre Rison was like a buddy to him and he mentored him and loved him. Deion may have went as far as saying that Rison was like a son or little brother. When Deion left Atlanta to SF he came back and gave Rison a left hook and they started going at it. Now that is real mentor love! Check out the video clip. Here is some real mentoring!
http://www.extremesportclips.com/video/1450/Deion-versus-Rison.html
Stop the NFL buddy bull please!!!!!
June 9th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Karma is great!
June 9th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Man I have to work tooo MUCH !!!! whats up nation???? but I can type black pretty well at work so its cool!!!
June 9th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
OAK,
lol
What do you do sir, if you don’t mind me asking?
June 9th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
ohhh this and that!!!
I work in a huge office for a company that sells alot of high-end things….paintings and such……
Mostly Client service type of stuff managing accounts and orders….
June 9th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
New post guys!!
June 9th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Karma is a bunch of BS! What a crock o’ schit and the people who believe in it are fruit-cakes that…hey, oh schit! I gotta go, my office is on fire!
June 9th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/pgStory?contentId=9662368#sport=News&photo=9662352
I always knew he was a little weird!!! But this is outlandish and will cause a horrible break up lets look at some other NFL relationships…..
Jeff Garcia & T.O – we all know how that ended up Owens didnt want to date anymore and started calling garcia g@y when he (Garcia) started dating a supermodel.
Then there was T.O. & Romo – A bit of the same story Owens hates his BF’s to start dating blondes wit bog tattas!!!!
Then the rumored Mcnabb & T.O. not sure if Mcnabb bats for the other team but Owens also got pretty mad at him real quick like….Man T.O. really gets around..Hope Trent likes the ladies!!!
Then of course how can we forget the famous Eli Manning & A.J. Smith…..As soon as Surgar Daddy Smith Said the well was drying up they couldnt date any more if the Chargless where to draft him and Eli Stood up for his lover and demanded he would not play for the dis-chargers…which I think created some tension…they may be on the rocks reports out of NY where Mark “dirty” Sanchez was spotted buyng Eli his Favorite Mocha from Pink on the top Coffe on the Bottom on of NY’s premier G@y coffe shops…..
i’m just saying you shouldn’t date co-workers!!!!
June 9th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Russell needs to get his act together and really work hard. He has a lot of potentail and needs to put it to use.
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June 15th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
coax cable…
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June 24th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
mp3-vaulter…
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