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Asomugha at OTA

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, June 9th, 2009 at 12:21 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Nnamdi Asomugha, who did not participate in the Raiders’ last OTA, was present and accounted for Tuesday, according to the club’s Twitter page.

Quarterback Charlie Frye, signed Monday, also got in his first work as a Raider.

The Raiders Wednesday workout will be open to the media.

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239 Responses to “Asomugha at OTA”

  1. Raider O Says:

    Thx jerry, and good job sir.

  2. Silver-n-Black666 Says:

    Two

  3. Oakglenn Says:

    Nnamdi being at the optional practices has a name: it’s called leadership.

  4. Dakota Says:

    The Raiders have a twitter page? Is there non-stop coverage on it about the Lane Kiffin retribution movement that is the focus of the 2009 Oakland Raiders management team?

  5. Raider O Says:

    Does Al twitter?

  6. Raider O Says:

    OAK,

    Art, that’s very nice.

  7. DKnight007 Says:

    Ahh…the twitter….the new overexposed hellspawn of a fad that gets talked about to much….

  8. Raider O Says:

    Very nice!! Sorry!!

    I meant to say that’s very interesting, and it must be nice looking at some of that art.

  9. OAKlifer Says:

    YEA FOR 21!!!! way to go Nnamdi good work!!! YOU ARE THE BEST CORNER IN THE LEAUGE SIR!!! AND WE SALUTE YOU!!!!!!!!!!

  10. OAKlifer Says:

    LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/pgStory?contentId=9662368#sport=News&photo=9662352

    I always knew he was a little weird!!! But this is outlandish and will cause a horrible break up lets look at some other NFL relationships…..

    Jeff Garcia & T.O – we all know how that ended up Owens didnt want to date anymore and started calling garcia g@y when he (Garcia) started dating a supermodel.

    Then there was T.O. & Romo – A bit of the same story Owens hates his BF’s to start dating blondes wit bog tattas!!!!

    Then the rumored Mcnabb & T.O. not sure if Mcnabb bats for the other team but Owens also got pretty mad at him real quick like….Man T.O. really gets around..Hope Trent likes the ladies!!!

    Then of course how can we forget the famous Eli Manning & A.J. Smith…..As soon as Surgar Daddy Smith Said the well was drying up they couldnt date any more if the Chargless where to draft him and Eli Stood up for his lover and demanded he would not play for the dis-chargers…which I think created some tension…they may be on the rocks reports out of NY where Mark “dirty” Sanchez was spotted buyng Eli his Favorite Mocha from Pink on the top Coffe on the Bottom on of NY’s premier G@y coffe shops…..

    i’m just saying you shouldn’t date co-workers!!!!

  11. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Dakota Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
    The Raiders have a twitter page? Is there non-stop coverage on it about the Lane Kiffin retribution movement that is the focus of the 2009 Oakland Raiders management team?

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Isn’t Kiffin a flat out liar?

  12. Dakota Says:

    Raider O Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
    Does Al twitter?
    __________________________

    I don’t know…is twitter a synonym for incontinence?

  13. Raider O Says:

    Can we please stop talking about the Kittin, it’s gone!!
    It moved on, and so should we. IMHO

  14. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Did DKnight just call Aso an overexposed hellspawn? Or was it Kiffin?

  15. Raider O Says:

    Dakota,

    WTH Dude, you know English is not my native language. Now I have to google!!

  16. Dakota Says:

    I don’t know Bo, is Kiffin a flat out liar? Why don’t we consult the Oakland Raiders twitter page to find out since the organization seems focused on his demise rather than relevant Raiders news?

  17. Dakota Says:

    Raider O Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
    Dakota,

    WTH Dude, you know English is not my native language. Now I have to google!!
    _____________________________

    You should google the word, and then click on images…you might get a better idea of what the word means.

  18. SnB Defense Says:

    Dakota Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
    I don’t know Bo, is Kiffin a flat out liar? Why don’t we consult the Oakland Raiders twitter page to find out since the organization seems focused on his demise rather than relevant Raiders news?
    =======================================================
    I agree with you on this. The Raiders sacrificed the year last year to fight the coach. They also have time to put out a press release on Lane Kiffin’s dealings in Tennessee but can’t put out a decent press release on the run defense.

  19. Raider O Says:

    Dakota,

    After the help of google, now I get it!! lol

  20. Raider O Says:

    No need for images! You sick puppy!!

  21. hoodedswan Says:

    When’s the next on-line session, Jerry?

  22. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Dakota Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
    I don’t know Bo, is Kiffin a flat out liar? Why don’t we consult the Oakland Raiders twitter page to find out since the organization seems focused on his demise rather than relevant Raiders news?

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Didn’t Raider PR dept. tell us about Aso at OTAs?

  23. OAKlifer Says:

    O,

    Yeah it’s actually really cool I’ve learned more from art in the 5 years I’ve been in the industry than all my years in public schools!!!

  24. SnB Defense Says:

    So the Raiders are bringing in Charlie Frye for more competition at the QB position. Got like 6 QBs. Yet the Raiders only brought in two DTs…one guy from Harvard and a practice squad guy from the Redskins.

    Oh well

  25. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    SnB Defense Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 12:53 pm

    They also have time to put out a press release on Lane Kiffin’s dealings in Tennessee but can’t put out a decent press release on the run defense.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    There is no PR team capable of spinning our run defense…

    And isn’t Kiffin a good-for-nothing liar?

  26. CJ Legend 34 Says:

    *******NFL Mentoring, Bull, what a joke!!!******
    ******Here is some real mentoring-watch video clip****

    You know this whole mentoring thing is based off of perception. Who is to say there were not guys who learned from Jerry Rice just because one day they were in the locker room and he was out in the field or Tim Brown or Eric Allen for that matter? Gannon was a good QB but he seemed like a real pain in the butt!! I have been mentored by guys on the job who lots of times have not even known it. You just observe what they do and how they do it. You ask them some questions every once in a while but you still have to do the job. Most of these NFL guys have really been getting mentored since they played pony football in elementary school. As grown men they may not want to come out and say, “hey pal can I buddy up with you.” That does not mean they don’t respect the veteran. They just have a method that has worked for them as well, which has got them a certain amount of success.

    Now as far as JAM goes his game will speak volumes for him. I get tired of people calling the guy lazy and going off on some pictures he has partying. He is young and rich, what do you expect? Ton Brady, Matt Lienart, Eli Manning all have party pictures. Why aren’t they being called lazy? Marino liked to party it up as well in college and after. He never won a Superbowl. Is he lazy? By the way do you all recall who Garcia married? Now does Garcia like to party or what? If there is anyone you should be worried about partying after moving back to the Bay area I would look out for Garcia (how quickly we forget).

    Just because the Raiders went out and got Garcia does not mean JAM has to buddy up with him every day of the week. He may like to get some pointers from him but at the end of the day he knows football is a competitive sport and guess what? Garcia wants his job!!!! Don’t listen to all that bull about wanting him to succeed so bad that he will take the splinters for JAM. Garcia is a competitor first he wants the job. How many of you would buddy up with a guy trying to take your job? You may take some pointers from the guys style or his craft but he will never truly be your mentor and buddy. Most of these guys including Rice, Brown and Gannon have the biggest egos on the planet. Just because a guy is great does not mean he is great to be around every day.

    I will never forget when Deion Sanders said Andre Rison was like a buddy to him and he mentored him and loved him. Deion may have went as far as saying that Rison was like a son or little brother. When Deion left Atlanta to SF he came back and gave Rison a left hook and they started going at it. Now that is real mentor love! Check out the video clip. Here is some real mentoring!

    http://www.extremesportclips.com/video/1450/Deion-versus-Rison.html

    Stop the NFL buddy bull please!!!!!

  27. CJ Legend 34 Says:

    The great Charlie Frye from Clevland!!!!

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!

    What a joke!!!!

    Would anyone like to comment on his work ethic?

    HA HA HA HA!!!!

  28. CJ Legend 34 Says:

    SnB Defense Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
    So the Raiders are bringing in Charlie Frye for more competition at the QB position. Got like 6 QBs. Yet the Raiders only brought in two DTs…one guy from Harvard and a practice squad guy from the Redskins.

    Oh well
    —————————————————–

    SnB I am with you on that one man. These coaches are really confident in their ability to energize an O-line or a D-line or someone has been hitting the non-reality drugs pretty hard.

    I can not imagine why we would not want to spend some money on making our run defense better?

    I just don’t get that.

  29. Dakota Says:

    What I imagine would be an Al Davis Twitter:

    God damned Lakers better win tonight, I can’t wait to get the team moved back to Los Angeles (30 seconds ago)

    Where the hell is Herrera with my oatmeal? (5 minutes ago)

    Ha, Kiffin in trouble at Tennessee again! HAAAAA, oh damn it, I laughed too hard again, time for another wardrobe change (20 minutes ago)

    There, dressed and ready to go! Time to check the internet for Kiffin news (30 minutes ago)

    I can’t decide between a black or white jump suit today. Carol is no help with these things. (50 minutes ago)

    Damned Herrera just woke me up and it isn’t even 3 pm yet! (one hour ago)

  30. SnB Defense Says:

    CJ Legend,

    I don’t get the neglect of the D-Line either. I mean, at the least, there should have been credible competition for those spots. People expend a lot of effort talking about Russell’s work ethic…yet Russell has never showed up unable to compete.

    Last year Tommy Kelly and Terdell Sands couldn’t even get through two-a-days and were winded. Every position was addressed EXCEPT the D-Line. Bringing in camp fodder (a Harvard free agent and a Redskins practice squad guy) is not what I would consider credible competition.

    Those coaches are putting it all on the line. Gotta a schedule full of run 1st physical / grind it out opponents. And we decided to draft more speed guys.

  31. SnB Defense Says:

    CJ Legend,

    Here are some of the running backs we have to deal with

    Brandon Jacobs
    Clinton Portis
    Marion Barber / Felix Jones
    Willie Parker / Rashad Mendenhall
    Larry Johnson (2)
    Knowshon Moreno (2)
    Thomas Jones
    Steve Slaton
    LaDanian Thomlison / Darren Sproles (2)
    The Baltimore Ravens 35 to 40 carries a game

    with the 1st pick the Raiders selected:
    with the 2nd pick the Raiders selected:

    Coaches better step their game up big time.

  32. KoolKell Says:

    I’ve been saying all along, Al’s got too much money tied up at DT, to make a move there. Without hearing more criticism about his GM’ing and his mental abilities at this point.

  33. ELWAYs TEETH Says:

    Dakota, Post #29

    Absolutely Hilarious! I can just picture The Al sitting in front of an old 386 with a special keyboard that has huge keys, pecking at his keyboard with one wrinkly old Monty Burns finger.

  34. SnB Defense Says:

    Who hired Lane Kiffin though? No one was clamoring for the hire of this guy. He wasn’t even all that popular at USC!

    Al Davis DOES NOT get a free pass as some victim here. A good manager is also adept at hiring good people.

    The truth is that the split came from the Rob Ryan issue. Kiffin wanted to fire Ryan and Davis wanted to keep him. After that happened, Lane realized he didn’t have control of his staff and had scant influence on the defense. Instead of manning up and coaching through…he cried and pouted when he realized the limits of his authority. But Kiffin should have known going in that Davis is very hands-on.

    This isn’t about lies and all that drama. It was a dispute about control and both are to blame for that. Both should have understtod the parameters of the job going in.

  35. SnB Defense Says:

    KoolKell Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
    I’ve been saying all along, Al’s got too much money tied up at DT, to make a move there. Without hearing more criticism about his GM’ing and his mental abilities at this point.
    =======================================================
    How much did Davis spend on the secondary last year? Gibril Wilson, deAngelo Hall, Michael Huff and a franchise tagged Nnamdi Asomugha. Yet they blew up the secondary…as if that was the weakest link.

    Bottom line! Al Davis does not value defensive line play and run defense is an afterthought. Look at the draft. He drafted three more pass rushers. Two of them were tweeners with speed.

    Hopefully the Raider defense can finesse their way through the season and the offense can be Indy Colts like.

  36. KoolKell Says:

    The Buck stops at Al Davis’ desk.

  37. KoolKell Says:

    That’s my point. No way he can admit another mistake after DeAngelo Hall.

  38. KoolKell Says:

    He’a already thrown Art shell under the bus for Michael Huff.

  39. raidertay Says:

    I wonder if some of the tal about Namdi’s absence got bak to him. Maybe its just coincidental, but Raiderbeat called him out and he was at practice the next day: http://raiderbeat.com/?p=2616

  40. Twocents Says:

    SnB,

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Kiffin apply for the Arkansas job while spouting some BS about “I’m in”.

    That’s when the riff started.

  41. raidertay Says:

    I thought Tom Kelly player pretty good last year. TK and Warren are quality UTs. We just need some quality at the NT position. Warren is a lot more effective at UT. The starting DL should be Warren at UT and TK at NT.

    It was interesting to hear the coaches blame the LBs for the poor run defense. I assume that they know what they are talking about since they spend hours breaking down the game film.

  42. 24 Says:

    Charlie Frye huh…why not? Andrew Walter is all but gone anyways.

  43. SnB Defense Says:

    Twocents Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
    SnB,

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t Kiffin apply for the Arkansas job while spouting some BS about “I’m in”.

    That’s when the riff started.
    =======================================================
    Coaches get job offers all the time. I don’t think a coach who allegedly wanted to bring his father in to be the new D.C had designs of quitting the job anytime soon.

    Look, I am no Kiffin fan…or Davis fan for that matter. I just want to see wins and last year those two guys (Kiffin and Davis) put petty B.S ahead of winning.

  44. SnB Defense Says:

    raidertay Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
    I thought Tom Kelly player pretty good last year. TK and Warren are quality UTs. We just need some quality at the NT position. Warren is a lot more effective at UT. The starting DL should be Warren at UT and TK at NT.

    It was interesting to hear the coaches blame the LBs for the poor run defense. I assume that they know what they are talking about since they spend hours breaking down the game film.
    =======================================================
    Ok, whether its the D-Line or linebackers….the Raiders did nothing in the draft or off-season to upgrade any position…they attempted to upgrade the wide receiver and they did upgrade the safety position.

    Problem is that the Raiders have a history of not playing rookies. Will DHB beat out Walker? Mike Mitchell is probably not going to get on the fieldover Hiram Eugene. Hiram Eugene, like Justin Fargas and Gerard Warren, are considered the bedrock of this team.

  45. Dakota Says:

    He does talk a good game KK, I’ll give him that.

  46. Scottish Raider Says:

    There is no evidence that Kiffin applied or allowed his name to go forward for the Arkansas job. It was just rumours spread in the media by Kiffin’s enemies in the Raiders front-office.

    I am not saying that Kiffin was blameless or didn’t contribute to his own downfall. What I am clear about is that Davis has to at least share the blame for the mess 50/50. Kiffin ain’t no saint but Al Davis will be going round purgatory so many times he will be dizzy by the time he ever meets St Peter.

    And Kiff has at least moved on. He delivered a top 10 recruiting class after just 3 months in post. He has reenergised the whole Tennessee programme and fired-up the Vols fan base. It was a crying shame that he and Davis couldn’t work together. Davis has the knowledge and Kiffin has the ability – together they could have made the Raiders great. Instead, they both tore us apart.

    A bloody shame.

  47. KoolKell Says:

    Yeah, the Raiders do have a history of sitting rookies. Al Davis’s mind is still pre-Free Agency.

  48. KoolKell Says:

    Well it was nice Nnamdi showed up. Let’s hope Bey can run enough to take his lessons.

  49. Dakota Says:

    Since the Raiders seem focused on the past, might as well dig up other part of our sour history…here is a Barret Robbins article that talks about how he fuked up the super bowl and how it changed his life:

    http://www.myfoxhouston.com/dpp/sports/local/090609_barrett_robbins

  50. KoolKell Says:

    Right-wing radio hosts Hewitt and Limbaugh back GM boycott
    Gordon Trowbridge / Detroit News Washington Bureau

    Washington — A pair of right-wing radio hosts says there’s only one choice for conservatives angry about government involvement in the auto industry: Boycott GM.

    “Nobody wants to support an Obama company,” Rush Limbaugh told his audience Friday, citing a poll showing that 17 percent of Americans backed a boycott of GM.

    “Every dollar spent with GM is a dollar spent against free enterprise,” conservative talker Hugh Hewitt wrote online last week.

  51. SnB Defense Says:

    I was thinking about run defense for the Raiders and compared our moves to those around the league.

    31ST – RAIDERS – Brought in two undrafted FAs MLB Franz Joseph, Florida Atlantic and Desmond Bryant, Harvard…signed Ryan Boschetti, practice squad Redskins

    Worst run defenses last year and offseason response:

    20th – Panthers – Drafted a DT 3rd round Corvey Irvin
    21st – Bengals – Drafted MLB Rey Mauluaga (2nd), Signed Tank Johnson
    22nd – Bills – Not much but have Marcus Stroud
    23rd – Texans – Drafted SLB Brian Cushing (1st rd) Sign DT Shaun Cody
    24th – Colts – Drafted DTs Fili Moala, Terrence Taylor
    25th- Falcons – Drafted DTs Peria Jerry (1st), Vance Walker (7th) and signed MLB Mike Peterson
    26th – Packers – Drafted DT BJ Raji (1st), SLB Clay Matthews (1st)
    27th – Broncos – Drafted Robert Ayers 1st round
    28th – Browns – Signed DE Kenyon Coleman, MLB Eric Barton
    29th – Rams – Drafted MLB James Laurinitis, DT Dorell Scott
    30th – Chiefs – Drafted DE Tyson Jackson 3rd overall
    32nd – Lions – Signed Julian Peterson, Grady Jackson, Drafted DT Sammie Lee Hill, SLB Zach Follett

    Special Note: The Steelers drafted Ziggy Hood and the Patriots TRADED UP to get Ron Brace despite having solid Pro-Bowl level talent at the D-Line position.

  52. KoolKell Says:

    SnB

    Excellent post. Point made.

    The only point you missed, is that Al Davis is smarter than all those other GM’s, are any of them in the Hall of Fame? ;-)

  53. KoolKell Says:

    I guess Kiffin indeed convinced Al, that it was Rob Ryans fault all along?

  54. newbetterbucs07 Says:

    Good to see Asomugha attended.

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  55. beeecham Says:

    Oh no, KrappyKell is on a cut and paste bender! He must’ve dropped a whole jar of Benadryl with his afternoon oatmeal!

    When Krappy gets like this, you can be assured he has a very large dump in his pajamas. He’s an old deranged goat, after all, and his bowels pretty much operate on their own.

    Here he is, an old bag of bones merrily blogging away, unknowingly sitting in a pile of his own poop. Poor old Krappy!

    I’m sure he’ll wear out soon, folks. Just wait it out.

  56. SnB Defense Says:

    KoolKell Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
    I guess Kiffin indeed convinced Al, that it was Rob Ryans fault all along?
    =======================================================
    Yeah, I guess he did as much. But seriously, I am very nervous going into this season. Most of the players in that front 7 have been exempt from any credible competition with the exception of the DEs (provided Burgess is traded).

    I know….I know….Rob Ryan was so terrible that he couldn’t coach up the fundamentals. I just believe that Warren, Sands, Morrison, Brown, and Kelly needed some competition. If its good enough for Russell, who is only in his 2nd year as a starter at the hardest position to play, it should be good enough for a bunch of 5, 6, 7 8 and 9 year veterans who captained one the 2nd worst run defense in the NFL.

  57. SnB Defense Says:

    Beeeecham,

    Quite clear that you are closely monitoring KoolKell’s every post on the blog. You have any opinions on the wide receivers, draft picks or defense?

    Yikes…..

  58. Mistabrown Says:

    The buck stops at Barback 0bamas desk as well so stop blaming Bush.

    Closing GITMO, what a dikbrain!

    # KoolKell Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 1:43 pm

    The Buck stops at Al Davis’ desk.

  59. Mistabrown Says:

    This far and away the post of the year! Nice job Dakota!
    Rack him Jerry..

    Dakota Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 7:36 am

    There was a lot of good stuff in here last night, but this one takes the cake. I am certainly not the grammar police, but the irony of this one is undeniable!

    In his comment BHP claims that “”arguring” (I think he meant arguing) with someone about Russell is like “argueing” (again, I think he meant arguing) with a 25 year old who’s trying to learn to read and write.”

    He goes on to say “periferal” when I think he meant peripheral. And later on he got tripped up by that “arguement” word again…

    I guess what BHP was trying to say is that arguing about Russell is like arguing with himself; a person still trying to learn how to read and write! However, I doubt BHP is 25…more like 55 probably.

  60. Mistabrown Says:

    Why did Oakland sign Frye, Gradkowski, and Garcia if he’s such a “bonafide Qb” ?

    lmao

    Oakglenn Says:
    June 8th, 2009 at 12:28 pm

    Anyone with half a brain can see that Jamarcus Russell is a bonafide franchise Q.

  61. KoolKell Says:

    I’m worried that Al Davis seems to be so dependent on the advice of the Lane Kiffins of the world.

  62. beeecham Says:

    Look SnB, I care about poor Krappy, that’s why I’m on a mission to get him off the blog and into a nursing home. Sorry, I have week spot for humanity. Sue me.

    As far as our WRs go, lots of question marks. Can Shilens progress into a dependable #2? Will Higgens be the speed threat needed to stretch the field – ala Wes Welker – and continue to flourish on punt returns? Best case scenario, DHB and Walker mature quickly and one of them grab the #1.

    If there are question marks at WR, then there are twice that in our draft picks. Who knows what we have in DHB or Mitchell, the same can be said of Sulak, Shaughnessy, etc. All any of them have is the Davis formula of speed. Best case, we get another Trevor Scott out of the bunch, some quality special teamers, and a couple of dependable starters. Worse case we get undersized backups who languish on our practice squad for a few years before they get cut and fade into oblivion. See Jonathan Holland, Marcel Reese, etc.

    The defense will rise and fall with coaching, so the onus is entirely on Marshall. We claim to have talent on that side of the ball every year, and every year its the same story. Again, impossible to predict.

    But you what is easy to predict? That ol Krappy will have a fresh load in his drawers by the time you finish reading this.

  63. Mistabrown Says:

    With the latest Kiffin violation you have to assume everything AL said with his overhead projector was true.

    Kiffin is just like reported by Jerry, an “ingrate”.

  64. Mistabrown Says:

    Kiffin seems to be a compulsive liar. If Kiffin cheated on his taxes he just might have a cabinet post in Barbacks admin waiting on him when Tenn drops him.

  65. Mistabrown Says:

    The end.

    Close this thread Jerry I just smashed it!

  66. SnB Defense Says:

    Beeeeecham,

    That was actually a very insightful post #75. I agree with you on the camp battle between DHB and Walker. I think if Schilens can keep up the momentum, that position is his. Plus, Cable likes him for his blocking prowess as well.

    I have the same opinion as you concerning the defensive pickups. Lots of speed guys but lacking in the strength department.

    As for your concern for KoolKell. I think I would leave that alone. I got much more value of your most recent post here, minus of cource your “concern” for other bloggers.

  67. newbetterbucs07 Says:

    I wonder if Frye will make the team over Walter.

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  68. Mistabrown Says:

    Andre Rison declared himself the greatest WR of all time.

    lmao…And I thought Priest & Oak were full of krap!

  69. beeecham Says:

    Dude, I wouldn’t be able to live with myself if Krappy were allowed to wander the streets daily in the nude searching for an Arby’s drive thru. This crusty old fool needs help!

    Imagine he was your dad for one second. Sure, you probably would’ve launched him to sea on an iceberg by now, but he’s still your dad.

    Anyway, its not all about Krappy – there’s Charged Down, Lil Albert Bigelow, Brian and other such nonsense to eradicate from our dear blog. It’s not easy work to take out the trash, but someone has to do it. Trust me, its not easy being a saint.

    - Your friendly neighborhood Beeecham

  70. M Lonetree Says:

    KoolKell,

    as per usual you offered some good insight into the state of the Earth. all is yet doomed to a dismal fate but kudos anyway.
    I ponder – your father, RIP, as you confessed, greatly admired AD. why your despisal of his Raiderdom?

  71. KoolKell Says:

    Dudes delusional as hell! Obsessing over bloggers. Yuck!

  72. M Lonetree Says:

    Mistabrown,

    there seemed a time when you offered posts of some interest, most recently all you have offered is hating on other people, what gives?

  73. KoolKell Says:

    M Lonetreee,

    Believe it or not, I do NOT despise Al Davis. If my father were out there making a fool of himself. I’d beg him to stop too.

  74. M Lonetree Says:

    KoolKell,

    accepted as an explanation of your viewpoint.

  75. beeecham Says:

    Krappy, that’s how I feel about you! Sure, you have about 20 years on my old man, but you make a fool out of yourself everyday.

    Listen you old monkey, log off the blog, clean out those poopy old drawers and start life in the fast lane! Meaning strapped to a gurney near the bocci ball lawn.

    Do it, Krappy!

  76. KoolKell Says:

    Mistabrown Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
    Kell, even Jerry wants you off this blog!
    ———————
    If he did, I’d be gone, no?

  77. M Lonetree Says:

    Drivel = nonsense

    Drivel is as drivel does.

    JaMarcus Russell is a bonafide QB. He shall only get better. Care to tell him yourself what you think?

  78. Mistabrown Says:

    Kell I was using OakGlenns bonfafide boneheaded comment to put forth a question to Lonetree, why are you in our business ?

    Kell, why dont you go work for Acorn and put Barbacks stimulus to good use! U can illegally register voters for the Demo party.

  79. M Lonetree Says:

    KoolKell,

    The Mistabrown obviously has issues and fears the success of the Silver and Black. I tried to cut him some slack but he forces his issues as any nonsensical Pol. Oh well…

  80. Mistabrown Says:

    In my eyes a “bonafide” qb is one that has proved himself as a starter, a pro bowler, consistent for years, good work ethic, won a championship, and a leader.

    I guess you have lowered your standards to give JR “bonafide” status. JR has done none of those things I mentioned yet here you are kissing his jock.

    Like I said the other day I will give him till week 8 to show me something or else Im done with him! I hope he lights it up I dont want to see him fail.

  81. KoolKell Says:

    M Lonetree

    There’s a lot of crazy people out there. Just like the newspapers say.

    They want attention.

  82. Mistabrown Says:

    I had no idea you were a nitwit Lonetree. I fear success? I been a PSL/Season tick holder since they returned 2 Oakland.

    Quite frankly I feel ripped off supporting this mess but they are my team. I’ve been a huge Al Davis fan over the years but I have serious issues with him now. Ive never ripped AL in here but Im not a koolaid drinking tard like a couple guys here.

    Stop with your dribble now or i’ll put you in the same box as Oak..

  83. KoolKell Says:

    Look how delusional he is…..

  84. Raider Dell Says:

    M

    Since I’ve been on this blog Mistabrown has not changed his attitude or what he believes.

    His attitude is what it is, and he has strong opinions on what he says.

    I will admit lately, he has not been as funny. It seems to me his comments during the evening, are tempered with less spark, the wine usually mellows him out just a wee bit.

  85. KoolKell Says:

    As soon as Post #64 was put out, all Hell broke loose, no?

  86. SaintKaufman Says:

    …and post#64 was a great post BTW. Gut wrenching great post!!

    Whatup smellas?

  87. Raider Dell Says:

    echo?

  88. Nnamdi21 Says:

    Most of us are in your corner J Marc. Just win…baby…

  89. Raider Dell Says:

    NNamdi21

    You have a way with words, very much to the point.

  90. SaintKaufman Says:

    Hey Dell.

  91. Raider Dell Says:

    Saint

    How are you and how’s life been.

  92. SaintKaufman Says:

    I was thinking kind of like this…

    Jamarcus gets up at 05:00, runs a couple of miles, gets back and lifts until 07:00, hits the playbook while grabbing some breakfast, makes it to work by 08:00 where he lifts again and watches a couple of hours of film before heading out to the field. Stretches and runs a lap, goes thru about 1.5 hours of plays, back to the film room for lunch and studies with Hackett and Garcia. Comes back out at 13:00 and works with the receivers until 16:30, heads back in for a 1 hour review with the coaches and receivers then hits the showers. Heads home for dinner and more film study until about 22:00. Then his phone rings and his buddies want to know if he wants to go to a party because it’s Friday night and he’s worked his ass off all week. He reluctantly agrees, shows up to the party kinda late, has a few drinks, hangs with his buddies but is ready to leave because he’s just beat from the week, decides to pose for a couple of pix with his friends and BAM, everyone in the country calls him a bust and this blog self implodes!!!

    just curious…

  93. KoolKell Says:

    Does anybody know of any other 80 yr old GM, in any sport?

  94. DMunoz 26 Says:

    Kobe is going to drop 70 tonight. Jerry is going to eat a carton of ice cream while scouring Facebook for the latest Raiders news.

  95. SaintKaufman Says:

    Life’s been great Dell, no complaints.
    How’s it going? I can’t believe the same old tired folk are still in here fighting over the same old tired arguments. Lame.

  96. Mistabrown Says:

    Thanks Dell, for trying to defend a monster like myself.
    :D

  97. DMunoz 26 Says:

    Kobe going to do work. Jerry going to fall asleep drooling on his laptop.

  98. Sweep The Leg Says:

    KoolKell Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
    Does anybody know of any other 80 yr old GM, in any sport?

    ……………………………………
    Bill Polian is gettin up there, probably 70.

    Except he actually makes sane and well thought out decisions.

  99. KoolKell Says:

    SaintKaufman

    The same people that are calling JaMarcus a bust, are the same angry people who lite stink bombs in here all day.

    I think way more Raider fans looked at his performance last year, and saw his progress and awesome potential.

  100. Raider Dell Says:

    Mistabrown Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
    Thanks Dell, for trying to defend a monster like myself.

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    You get a lot of heat. That is what a strong opinion does on a Raider Blog, when others see things differently.

    The battles in here are mostly opinion to the beholder, yet each opinion is scrutinized to the smallest speckle.

  101. SaintKaufman Says:

    No doubt KK,
    He made some great throws in there with the bad ones. I like to think of the great ones!!

  102. Raider Dell Says:

    Saint

    Doing well, I guess the northwest is treating you well.

    I would bet if you asked any Raider fan Jamarcus needs to change not his personality but his ethics toward his job. It does not help when Cable volunteers information which implys that Jamarcus needs to grow up.

  103. KoolKell Says:

    His avg passer rating over the last 7 games was 91.

    In spite of the chaos at the beginning of the year.

  104. Mistabrown Says:

    We could say the same thing about you & your daily Al Davis stink bombs.

    KoolKell Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    SaintKaufman

    The same people that are calling JaMarcus a bust, are the same angry people who lite stink bombs in here all day.

  105. KoolKell Says:

    Mistabrown Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
    We could say the same thing about you & your daily Al Davis stink bombs.

    KoolKell Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 5:43 pm

    SaintKaufman

    The same people that are calling JaMarcus a bust, are the same angry people who lite stink bombs in here all day.
    ———————-
    Touche. But I don’t stalk anybody.

  106. SaintKaufman Says:

    I can’t believe it Dell, it’s actually been sunny this week! Maybe that’s why I’m all positive on Jamarcus. That and the dudes got a canon. and can run. and can break tackles. and can handoff. Especially that last one! :)

  107. Luvthynation Says:

    After reviewing last season i`m quite sure if we had started off with Mario Henderson at left tackle and Chris Johnson as our second cornerback,Chaz Schilens instead of Ronald Curry. We could have possibly been 8-8 or even 9-7. To many times drives were killed by Kwame “Worst of all time” Harris.Deangelo Hall was the worst bump and run corner ever and Ronald Curry couldn`t catch a cold in a blizzard. I`m not saying that we are going to the super bowl this year but we have a lot to be optimistic about. In the offseason we addressed the tackle positions as well as wide reciever which we needed more than anything. The acquisition of Lorenzo Neal is huge. on passing plays he is like another lineman and he is one of the best blocking fullbacks in history.Dmac will have a breakout year if healthy. I am most optimistic about JRuss,last year was really his rookie year and he got better as the year progressed. They finally took the training wheels off towards the end of the season and we saw the quarterback we hoped he would be.look for Zach Miller to have a pro bowl season because he won`t need to stay in and block on passing downs.Hopefully are new D coordinator will use more disgiused bllitzes and Burgess will have double digit sack numbers due to this being a contract year. On running plays we should be able to stack to box with 2 lockdown corners. To me the ? is our D-line. If the new D coordinator can teach our LB`s not to over pursue so backs can`t cut back for long gains like last year then we will be competitive and challenge for a AFC crown and more we shall see.

  108. KoolKell Says:

    #136

    I totally agree. That’s the way I see it right now.

    Let’s keep our fingers crossed that some weird Raider shyt stays away.

  109. Raider Dell Says:

    Saint

    Keep the positive feed coming thru here, this blog has and needs hope.

    Try to come by a litle more, good to see your comments.

  110. DarthPirate Says:

    Post 136, I agree some of what you’re saying, but the defense won’t really change. I think the best we can hope for is that Marshall simply gets better discipline (gap control and not over-pursuing) from his D. The scheme ain’t changing.

  111. SaintKaufman Says:

    Thanks Dell!
    We all should be a little more positive in everything really. Life’s way to short to bummin about stuff all day.
    I gotta roll. Got to go beat the dog! But I promise I’ll do it with a smile and a positive attitude!

    Y’all be cool.
    Go Raiders!!

  112. Luvthynation Says:

    I hear that most of what Marshall is preaching gap control. Our defense will improve for 3 reasons 1.No more D-Hall.2 New coordinator. 3 Less time on the field because of our improved offense.

  113. Luvthynation Says:

    P.S. I saw Terdell Sands smoking a cigarette outside of Scends in Oakland. That explains his 4th quarter disppearance

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  115. DarthPirate Says:

    Why does it always seem like he comes to play against the dischargers, and then cashes out for the rest of the season? :D
    —————
    # Luvthynation Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 6:19 pm

    P.S. I saw Terdell Sands smoking a cigarette outside of Scends in Oakland. That explains his 4th quarter disppearance

  116. Luvthynation Says:

    Sands went through some personal tragedy with the death of a family member i think it was his mom not sure. I think that he is over that and hopefully can become the player he was before he signed that big contract. Not concerned about the cigarettes there are Hall of Famers that smoked Fred Dean Freddy B etc.

  117. SnB Defense Says:

    Repost:

    I was thinking about run defense for the Raiders and compared our moves to those around the league.

    31ST – RAIDERS – Brought in two undrafted FAs MLB Franz Joseph, Florida Atlantic and Desmond Bryant, Harvard…signed Ryan Boschetti, practice squad Redskins

    Worst run defenses last year and offseason response:

    20th – Panthers – Drafted a DT 3rd round Corvey Irvin
    21st – Bengals – Drafted MLB Rey Mauluaga (2nd), Signed Tank Johnson
    22nd – Bills – Not much but have Marcus Stroud
    23rd – Texans – Drafted SLB Brian Cushing (1st rd) Sign DT Shaun Cody
    24th – Colts – Drafted DTs Fili Moala, Terrence Taylor
    25th- Falcons – Drafted DTs Peria Jerry (1st), Vance Walker (7th) and signed MLB Mike Peterson
    26th – Packers – Drafted DT BJ Raji (1st), SLB Clay Matthews (1st)
    27th – Broncos – Drafted Robert Ayers 1st round
    28th – Browns – Signed DE Kenyon Coleman, MLB Eric Barton
    29th – Rams – Drafted MLB James Laurinitis, DT Dorell Scott
    30th – Chiefs – Drafted DE Tyson Jackson 3rd overall
    32nd – Lions – Signed Julian Peterson, Grady Jackson, Drafted DT Sammie Lee Hill, SLB Zach Follett

  118. SnB Defense Says:

    In addition to my repost above…a couple of other moves by some teams of note:

    Run defense rank and offseason moves:

    2nd – Steelers – Drafted DT Ziggy Hood (1st rd)
    5th – Bears – Drafted DT/DE Jarron Gilbert (3rd)
    6th – Titans – Drafted DT Senderrick Marks (2nd rd)
    8th – Redskins – Signed DT Albert Haynesworth
    9th – Giants – Drafted SLB Clint Sintim (2nd rd) Signed DTs Rocky Bernard and Chris Canty
    15th – Patriots – Drafted DTs Ron Brace (2nd trade up), Myron Pryor (6th), Daryl Richard (7th)
    18th – Seahawks – Drafted SLB Aaron Curry (4th overall), Signed DT Cory Redding
    18th – Buccaneers – Drafted DT Roy Miller (3rd)

    All I have to say is I hope John Marshall, Dwayne Board and the Linebackers coach are as good as they say they are. Matt Shaugnessy was considered a reach pick at number 3. Lets hope he proves the critics wrong. Slade Norris, Stryker Slowak are predominantly pass rushers.

    The key positions for run defense SLB, MLB, UT, DT and Strong side DE are pretty much unchanged for Oakland in 2009

  119. The RaiderCast | Evening San Diego, Oakland headlines Says:

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  120. Rellik30 Says:

    Was Davis talking about Mooch for “that football guy”?

    http://www.raiders.com/common/photogallerycenter.aspx?albumId=64382

  121. Rellik30 Says:

    Pic 8 and 13

  122. Raider O Says:

    1.5 hours without a post!! Was it slow, or was the Mod Having fun deleting posts again?

  123. Oakglenn Says:

    # Raider Dell Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 5:06 pm

    M

    Since I’ve been on this blog Mistabrown has not changed his attitude or what he believes.

    His attitude is what it is, and he has strong opinions on what he says.

    I will admit lately, he has not been as funny. It seems to me his comments during the evening, are tempered with less spark, the wine usually mellows him out just a wee bit.
    ————————————————–

    Actually Dell, missed-a-brain is a Grade A certified moron who I knocked out last nite. After he got KO’d, he pissed and shat himself. He is a gutless POS who couldn’t find his ass with both hands a road map, and a licensed guide dog. That, was proven beyond a doubt last nite.

  124. Raider O Says:

    I like Mista!! We don’t agree on much other than wine, but I still like him.

  125. Oakglenn Says:

    # Raider O Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 9:32 pm

    I like Mista!! We don’t agree on much other than wine, but I still like him.
    —————————————————-

    Good. Maybe then you can relay this message to him: bald, drunk, fat and stupid is no way to go thru life.

  126. Raider O Says:

    keep me out of your personal feuds please. I was just saying that I like him, I’m not taking sides!!

  127. Oakglenn Says:

    Mistabrown Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 3:49 pm

    Why did Oakland sign Frye, Gradkowski, and Garcia if he’s such a “bonafide Qb” ?

    lmao
    —————————————————-
    Of course you are laughing your ass off. That’s what sluggish dullards do when they eff up. Only a complete utter moron would think we would sign Gradkowski or Frye to supplant Jamarcus Russell. Right now the Oakland Raiders have a dozen WR’s on their roster. If one or two Q’s were throwing to 12 guys in camp they would burn their arms out faster than you have burned out what little brain power God gave you. It’s called training camp fodder. Something you should relate to in life.

  128. KoolKell Says:

    Oakglenn

    How do you feel now that you can’t impersonate other bloggers?

    Still frustrated?

  129. Raider O Says:

    Mista,

    I bought a JR jersey to show my support, and that I believe he can be great.
    Also, they were out of my size in the DMC jersey! ;)

  130. Raider O Says:

    KK,

    I like what you said about Obama and his speach in Egypt. Reaching people is a lot better than killing them. If that doesn’t work, then we can use other methods.IMHO

    I agree with you sir.

  131. Oakglenn Says:

    # KoolKell Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Oakglenn

    How do you feel now that you can’t impersonate other bloggers?

    Still frustrated?
    ————————————————

    Actually I am not frustrated at all with this blog. What are you doing starting up with me? Seems to me you have enough problems on this blog.

  132. Raider O Says:

    People in that area have a lot of hope and faith in Obama, let’s see what happens.

  133. KoolKell Says:

    Actually I am not frustrated at all with this blog. What are you doing starting up with me? Seems to me you have enough problems on this blog.
    ———————–
    Neither you or 10 monkeys like you could give me problems on this blog. Haven’t I proven that?

  134. Oakglenn Says:

    O, people in this part of the world have a lot of hope and faith in Obama as well. Certainly much more than the last dismal administration.

  135. KoolKell Says:

    Lebanon, holla!

  136. Oakglenn Says:

    # KoolKell Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 10:21 pm

    Actually I am not frustrated at all with this blog. What are you doing starting up with me? Seems to me you have enough problems on this blog.
    ———————–
    Neither you or 10 monkeys like you could give me problems on this blog. Haven’t I proven that?
    ——————————————–

    Are you calling me a monkey?

  137. KoolKell Says:

    Nah, just a figure of speech.

  138. Raider O Says:

    KK,

    You would love it there!! The best looking girls in the world!! IMHO
    Great food too!! I love their food.

  139. Raider O Says:

    Oak,

    Obama is change, we need a new image.

  140. KoolKell Says:

    Raider O

    I heard that’s true, also that it was the Riviera of the Mid-East. Too bad. Sounds like a great piece of Real Estate.

  141. Raider O Says:

    KK,

    It was, and it will be again.

  142. KoolKell Says:

    “Lebanon is a telling case,” said Osama Safa, director of the Lebanese Center for Policy Studies here. “It is no longer relevant for the extremists to use the anti-American card. It does look like the U.S. is moving on to something new.”
    In fact, some analysts said that it was possible that Lebanon’s election could be a harbinger of Friday’s presidential race in Iran, where a hard-line anti-American president,Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, may be losing ground to his main moderate challenger, Mir Hussein Moussavi.

  143. Raider O Says:

    That area needs change too, and some countries are working on it.

  144. KoolKell Says:

    Gnite fellas.

  145. gilbert Says:

    lets see,The current leader of this country wants too spend,spend,spend,spend,spend,,except cut the MpILITARY,sorry,this — is bad news for my Daughters,Grand Daughters,Grandsons,etc Check the latest polls,people are waking up,Its youre kids/family,that need a chance! Seems to ME,the next generation,needs freedom as well,LIBERTY! That being said,RAIDERS! CUT the MILITARY,GTFOMF,meant for all in power

  146. Raider O Says:

    Good night KK, I enjoyed your posts as always.

  147. Raider O Says:

    Good night gents, later Nation.

  148. priesttj Says:

    SnB,

    man when are you going to get it that the coaching staff are obviously happy with the players we have at DT. It’s OK not to agree with them to a certain extent but they are the coaches. Don’t you think they have at least a bit more insight on who’s good in this league and what it takes to be a good run defense.

    Your insistence that Al Davis doesn’t care about the Dline is at best presumptuous. Because no one (coaches scouts and owner) felt the need to add more than Boschetti at DT is negligent in your opinion. Says that you know more than all of them combined. And my question is how many NFL defenses have you biult?

    Come on SnB the whinning is getting tiresome dude……….ease up at least let the coaches show their ability. To say that the scheme wont change most in here wouldn’t know if you drew out the scheme and contrasted it with the last scheme. IMO it will be a 3/4 base utilizing LB/DE edge rushers T Scott and the rest. There were times when we ran that scheme last year as well as the year before and virtually NO ONE in here realizes it. We used several fronts and coverages since Ryan was here. But if you asked vitually everyne in here they will tell you we ran a vanilla defense. FAR FROM IT!!! we ran a very complex defense.

    The defense we will run under Marshall from what I understand will be simplified. Utilizing smaller attack style personnel on the perimeter of the defense.

    You keep saying Warren didn’t draw doubles……yu are categorically WRONG. He drew lots of doubles as did Sands.

    Your complaints would be much more credible if you would at least be factual. There were games when Warren was dominant yet you ignore all of that as you engage in your specious logic.

    They like what they see in the DT’s or else they would’ve made some changes like they’re doing everywhere else.

  149. priesttj Says:

    Hell the most indepth anyone ever gets in here about the variety of defense is that “WE DON”T BLITZ” enough. That in their opinion is a varied scheme.lol

  150. Nnamdi21 Says:

    148. A base 4-3 will be our D, but you are correct. We ran a 3-4 package (usually in the red zone) and various nickle packages including big and wolverine 6 DB pack.

    For better or worse, Oakland runs a passing game stopping D.

    For that to work, the offense has to do more than score every 206 plays.

  151. priesttj Says:

    Nnamdi21, that’s my premise, we are going into the year for the first time in 4 years with a confident offense. As much flack as Russell get he was playing good football late last year. The WR’s wereplaying good football. The running game was showing the all important dpth we knew they had.

    There just is no way we struglle as bad as we did last year. I’m not at all saying we’re going to be an offensive juggernaut but we certainly will make defenses take notice. We lit up the Houston Texans and the Bucs. We know what DMC and MBush can do as well as Schilens, JLH and ZMiller. Those are all known quantities. Now if DHB and Shields or Murphy can add t that we should have threats all over the field.

    That gives your defense a ton to work with instead of nailbiters. We can now attack on defense for the first time in 5 years. That is why we added the edge rushers in the draft. We are going after the QB………..period

    Teams wont be able to just put the ball on ground and win. Unlike SnB I think our defense up the middle wil be stronger and we should get more t/o’s. This defense will come after you with talent and aggression. No more playing it close to the vest so as not to get blown out. There were times last year when this defense was very impressive it just needed points to win. And they rarely got them. When they did, we won…….period

  152. priesttj Says:

    Also there is no such thing IMO as a passing game stoping D. They were just better at stopping the pass than they were the run. Now they need to become a much better all around defense. You don’t run a passing game stopping defense by design. It was just our personality as defense, everyone concerned wanted to stop the run. We just didn’t have the discipline to do it……….period. Let’s see if we can accomplish that this year. But I can gaurantee you, that is of utmost concern to everyone.

  153. priesttj Says:

    Adios

  154. 4evaRaider Says:

    Good Morning NATION!!!

  155. 4evaRaider Says:

    wELL WHAT DO YOU KNOW???

    OBAMA JUST MADE US 1.8 BILLION ON 68 BILLION PAYBACK FROM COMPANYS THAT TOOK MONEY!!!

  156. 4evaRaider Says:

    in only 3 months WOW

  157. 4evaRaider Says:

    You Go-Obama!!!

  158. NFL News Roundup for Wednesday June 10 | UsTailgate Says:

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  159. NoMoreFargas Says:

    What’s up ugly gm for Lakes but can’t win them all. Yeah big man Nhamdi is da house!
    What up nation!

    GO RAIDERS!!!!!

  160. hwnrdr Says:

    Good Morning Nation!!!

  161. DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:

    GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S..

  162. hwnrdr Says:

    Wow, there was actually some decent talk in here last night. Staying positive on JRuss. Someone made a good comment about about “had we started Mario instead of ‘worst of all time’ Harris, and Chaz instead of Curry”…etc…that we probably could have won at least 8 games. That is probably true. the Buffalo and the Miami game could have gone either way also…so…

  163. 4evaRaider Says:

    maybe the am. crew is rubing off on the rest of the site =)

  164. hwnrdr Says:

    That may be true…

  165. DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:

    CAN’T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG ? NOT MUCH HAPPINING UNTIL CAMP START’S THE LAST WEEK OF JULY..

  166. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    GM all,

    It appears the mod removed the most obnoxious posts from last night, leaving a handful of insightful comments and predictable bickering from the usual suspects.

    Someone saw Turdell smoking? Bummer there. In the OTA pics he is looking a bit slimmer. We need a “fit” Turdell to stay stout in the 4th quarter!

  167. OAKlifer Says:

    Morning Nation!!!!!

    RUSSELL WILL BE GREAT!!!!!!!!!

    DHB WILL START!!!!!!!!

    BUSH WILL HAVE EQUAL OR MORE CARRIES THAN FAR”OUTTA”GAS!!

    OUR LINES WILL BE BETTER ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BALL!!

    MARSHELL WILL IMPROVE OUR RUN D!!!

    BOBBY, MR, BEACHNUT…(although showed some promise last night when posed a real question), Duder, WILL ALL GET OWNED=(wally pipped) IN SOME SHAPE OR FORM ON THIS BLOG ALL SEASON!!!!

    Kool-aid kickin in!!!! Shoutin out my fave trolls!!!
    and makin some bold predictions to start the day off!!!!

  168. 4evaRaider Says:

    Oakland Raiders 2009 AFC Champions

    Learn It Live It Breath It

  169. DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:

    SHOCK THE WORLD !!!

  170. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Danny Southwick will be NFL MVP!!!

  171. MaddenRedneck Says:

    Paul Zimmerman is out of the way after a stroke so Stable should have a much better chance to get in the HOF.

  172. MaddenRedneck Says:

    Stabler

  173. OAKlifer Says:

    Danny Southwick will be NFL(asia) MVP!!!

    Breaking News: NFL Europe did well for one season befor it tanked so Asia Decided to follow in its little brothers footsteps by kicking off in inogural season this fall by acceppting high profile american ahtletes such as American football legend Oakland Raiders 3rd String Quaterback. Danny Southwick ” It’s all pretty new to me, starting and all but I think that we have a pretty good offense in place with maurice Clarrett in the backfield and me running the offense we should be competing for the c0mi bowl”, on a side note the Mongolia Madmen also signed Mike Vick and Adam jones both to reportedly play and anchor the special teams. New Coach Rob Ryan had this to say: ” Southwick has a chance to be the NFL(Asia) MVP!!!”
    AP-

  174. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    LOL, OAKlifer. I just want Southwick to make the practice squad and get a real number. Then, if you ever see a guy sporting a Raider Southwick jersey you will know you it is Bo Schembechler Jackson!

  175. hwnrdr Says:

    You guys are funny!!!

  176. Dakota Says:

    SaintKaufman Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
    I was thinking kind of like this…

    Jamarcus gets up at 05:00, runs a couple of miles, gets back and lifts until 07:00, hits the playbook while grabbing some breakfast, makes it to work by 08:00 where he lifts again and watches a couple of hours of film before heading out to the field. Stretches and runs a lap, goes thru about 1.5 hours of plays, back to the film room for lunch and studies with Hackett and Garcia. Comes back out at 13:00 and works with the receivers until 16:30, heads back in for a 1 hour review with the coaches and receivers then hits the showers. Heads home for dinner and more film study until about 22:00. Then his phone rings and his buddies want to know if he wants to go to a party because it’s Friday night and he’s worked his ass off all week. He reluctantly agrees, shows up to the party kinda late, has a few drinks, hangs with his buddies but is ready to leave because he’s just beat from the week, decides to pose for a couple of pix with his friends and BAM, everyone in the country calls him a bust and this blog self implodes!!!

    just curious…

    _______________________________________

    Ha saint, I wish that was the case! If he lived that lifestyle he wouldn’t look 7 months pregnant.

  177. Dakota Says:

    Kobe fukin choked away a chance to wrap up a title…we’ll see if it turns into a life-long regret or just a stumble on the way to glory.

  178. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Dakota Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 7:27 am
    Kobe fukin choked away a chance to wrap up a title…we’ll see if it turns into a life-long regret or just a stumble on the way to glory.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Duh, the latter! There will be no sequel to last night’s screening of Kobe: Playin’ Weak.

  179. CantstandtheHaters Says:

    8. I think if I were a boss in the media — TV, Web site, radio — I’d look long and hard at giving Bill Kuharich a job for the fall. First off, I should say I’ve been a longtime fan of Kuharich’s work scouting pro players; he’s relentlessly honest (when he is allowed to speak by his superiors) when judging players and appraising teams. The other day, Bob Papa and I had Kuharich on our Sirius show, and he said two interesting things. Regarding the Chargers, he said, “I think they’re going to continue to go backwards.” Regarding JaMarcus Russell, he said: “You can’t live up to the billing of being the No. 1-pick in the draft. But I see him growing. Very physical, very strong arm, and his accuracy is improving. I see him learning to manage the game better. I don’t know if he’ll ever be in the Dan Marino category, but he’ll be a good, functioning NFL quarterback.”

    ———-

    you guys say what you say but i saw enough improvement from JaMarcus to say i couldnt agree more with this guy.

    and once our franchise finally gets to now his surroundings, feels comfortable, at home, cause i think he is the type that just needs more time from a social perspective towards the media/fans in general (not the lockerrom/huddle or coaches), i got no doubt he will be a winner. in appropriate time….

    i believe totally in JaMarcus. he will do his part…

  180. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    The Orlando Mice had to shoot 62% AT HOME, and still rely on Kobe missing FTs to barely win that game. Twas the epitome of anomaly.

  181. Dakota Says:

    Bo, you better be right about that….I am holding you personally responsible for the outcome of the series!

  182. Raider O Says:

    Good morning Gents.

    Kobe played great the 1st half (8/11), but was really bad in the 2nd 3/12!!

    I wanted Kobe vs. James!

  183. hwnrdr Says:

    Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 7:40 am
    The Orlando Mice had to shoot 62% AT HOME, and still rely on Kobe missing FTs to barely win that game. Twas the epitome of anomaly.

    Haha…I think the NBA told Kobe to cool it and make the series last…5 missed free throws? Really? Especially when he was fouled at the 3 point arc? I think Kobe will get it back together and win on Thursday…

  184. Raider O Says:

    I hate the Lakers, I don’t Like Kobe, phil, Bus, and their colors.

  185. CantstandtheHaters Says:

    lakers took 14 more shots for the same amount of FG (40) and had six more rebounds on offense. i think thats why it looks a little wierd.

    plus the lakers did not that bad with shooting 51% so with Kobe missing 5 of 10 from the line became the factor.

  186. M Lonetree Says:

    Perhaps the spirit of Nick Anderson has been mentoring Kobe about shooting free throws during the finals in Orlando.

  187. exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:

    If the Laker’s had mugged Howard like they did Kobe, there would have been technicals called all night. The Magic were allowed to get away with holding and fouling Kobe all night long. To Kobe’s credit he did not complain. It is Jackson’s duty to complain and he in his Zen Master way he did not.
    Laker’s in 6

  188. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Dakota Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 7:45 am
    Bo, you better be right about that….I am holding you personally responsible for the outcome of the series!

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    I can handle that. But the Raiders season is on you…

  189. hwnrdr Says:

    Yeah, that was a big factor…and Luke Walton not knowing how to pass, and…ok, ok…

  190. hwnrdr Says:

    I will take Lakers in 6 if they win game 4. If they don’t, but win game 5 instead, then somehow I see a game 7.

  191. Raider O Says:

    Nnamdi will be on NFL/ TA today, don’t forget to watch.

  192. exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:

    I cringe every time Walton is in the game! LOL

  193. exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:

    Dwight Howard because the NBA wants him to be a Superstar is allowed to charge without calls and the Magic is allowed to take 3 1/2 steps. What ever became of walking, palming and traveling. LOL

  194. M Lonetree Says:

    BoSJack,

    I laughed when I read that Dakota had put the future safety of his living room fixtures and walls in your hands when he declared you responsible for the outcome of the NBA finals.
    Even better is your making him responsible for the upcoming Raider season.

  195. OAKlifer Says:

    CantstandtheHaters,

    If you dnt mind me asking whats the name of ur show!!

  196. M Lonetree Says:

    ExLA,

    when Michael Jordan stuck his tongue out to the world he could palm the ball, travel, push off or hook to any degree he wished as the NBA wanted to promote him.

    nothing new by letting someone else they wish to promote allowed to get away with things.

  197. OAKlifer Says:

    hell they must have wanted to promote the entire Houston Rocket team well at least Ming!!! They were able to play Street ball “no blood no foul” for all the Portland games!!!!!!!

  198. NoMoreFargas Says:

    Mitchell/Branch Nhamdi/Johnson
    hell anybody an Nhamdi!

  199. NoMoreFargas Says:

    Anybody not named D-Hall I mean!

  200. Dakota Says:

    Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 7:59 am
    Dakota Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 7:45 am
    Bo, you better be right about that….I am holding you personally responsible for the outcome of the series!

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    I can handle that. But the Raiders season is on you…

    ———————-

    Deal…expectations are very low for the Raiders…look how fans started clinging to Tom Cable after he went 4-8 with some of the most embarrassing losses in team history, just because he beat Houston and a very bad TB team at the end of the season, lol. If we go 6-10 I am golden on this one!

  201. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Dakota Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 8:38 am
    Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 7:59 am
    Dakota Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 7:45 am
    Bo, you better be right about that….I am holding you personally responsible for the outcome of the series!

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    I can handle that. But the Raiders season is on you…

    ———————-

    Deal…expectations are very low for the Raiders…look how fans started clinging to Tom Cable after he went 4-8 with some of the most embarrassing losses in team history, just because he beat Houston and a very bad TB team at the end of the season, lol. If we go 6-10 I am golden on this one!

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    The standard of success is whether Cable keeps his job. Make it so!

  202. Dakota Says:

    But I think Cable is a joke….

  203. Dakota Says:

    …doesn’t matter, I’ll take responsibility…and then we’ll get rid of Mr. Tom Cable the next year.

  204. Dakota Says:

    Where is LMN?

  205. Raider O Says:

    Dakota,

    Why do you think Cable is a joke?

  206. Raider O Says:

    His play calling wasn’t good at 1st, but it got better towards the end of the season.

  207. Dakota Says:

    O,

    Because I witnessed his 12 games as HC…yep, we beat TB and Houston, but we also were humiliated by NE within 3 possessions in December. A game in which McFadden really didn’t get involved in until we were down 21-0. A game in which Cable scripted plays for Fargas over McFadden for the first few drives. That alone tells me he is a colossal dipshcit. And then there was McFadden having to actually draw a simple goal-line play that would work in the dirt for the moron. And then there was the stubborn use of Kwame Harris over Henderson for weeks and weeks.

    Good o-line coach though! I hope he stays on in that capacity after he gets fired as HC in December or January.

  208. BadMoodGuy Says:

    So, you don’t like the owner, don’t like the coaches don’t like the players, don’t like the plays. And yet you come in here and whine about all the above. What do you like, the colors? At least MR likes the Chargers.

    Call the whambulance, the belly aching girls knitting club is back.

  209. Dakota Says:

    Glass is certainly half-empty for the 2009 Oakland Raiders…but I am certainly hoping for a miracle.

  210. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Dakota Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 9:01 am
    O,

    Because I witnessed his 12 games as HC…yep, we beat TB and Houston, but we also were humiliated by NE within 3 possessions in December. A game in which McFadden really didn’t get involved in until we were down 21-0. A game in which Cable scripted plays for Fargas over McFadden for the first few drives. That alone tells me he is a colossal dipshcit. And then there was McFadden having to actually draw a simple goal-line play that would work in the dirt for the moron. And then there was the stubborn use of Kwame Harris over Henderson for weeks and weeks.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    All Kiffin’s fault.

  211. Raider O Says:

    Dakota,

    Do You think his play calling improved towards the end of the season?

  212. Dakota Says:

    I do like the colors…and most of the players…lol

  213. Dakota Says:

    O,

    Cable’s play calling was better than Greg Knapp’s, but really, who couldn’t call a better game than Knapp? You probably could.

  214. Raider O Says:

    Dakota,

    You do make good points, if he was a hC before. He was a rookie HC, and not in the best situation. Didn’t like he play calling, but ivwant to see what he can do with a full season.

  215. Raider O Says:

    I don’t know about that, I’ll go deep every play. Al would love me as a HC.

    1st: PA go deep
    2nd: Run
    3rd: Deep pass

    lol

  216. SinceFrankYouellField Says:

    I think it is inappropriate to call J Russell a bust after what was basically his rookie season as a starter under extremely dysfunctional circumstances. It is also inappropriate to refer to Tom Cable as a “dipschit” after his rookie season as a head coach under the same circumstances. He tried some bonehead stuff to make something happen…and learned from it. Just like J Russ, he got better as the season progressed. He LOVES being a Raider, can work with the Owner under the “Raider” system, is apparently a good motivator. I anticipate improvement, not miracles, on both sides of the ball. Get ready to be impressed.

  217. Dakota Says:

    Raider O,

    That’s what people probably said in Idaho after his first season. After 4 full seasons he was 11-35 (and lost 4 games to schools in lower divisions, lol). I know Al didn’t know any of this when he hired him as HC, but hey, Al isn’t big on logic.

    I have a feeling that when all is said and done in the Tom Cable era people will be saying Tom Cable was who we thought he was! (Dennis Green). Nice guy in over his head.

  218. SnB Defense Says:

    Priesttj and others,

    My posts 117 and 118 got you a little animated. I didn’t necessariy give an opinion on the Raider run defense…I simply compared the offseason responses of various teams and compared them to the Raiders.

    I am hoping Marshall, Board and the LB coach can get these guys more disciplined than the prior coaches. I just find it interesting that a team with a 31st ranked run defense made scant personnel moves in the offseason.

    I found it interesting that the Colts and Patriots drafted multiple DTs and used 1st day picks to do so. I found it interesting that the just about every team in the league invested high picks on run defense improvement. Not necessarily condemning the Raiders decison making. Just pointing out some different approaches taken in the offseason by various clubs.

    Again, you are right, the coaches think Terdell Sands, Gerard Warren, Tommy Kelly, Ryan Boschetti, Wiliam Joseph and Desmond Bryant are elite talents. They have to prove it on the field

  219. CJ Legend 34 Says:

    Why does everyone keep talking about a QB controversy? They go out and get a scrub like Frye. A project back up QB like Gradowski and a QB about to retire in Garcia and everyone is convinced the team is not buying into JAM and they are looking for a new QB. Garcia’s glory years are over and the other two will to good to make the scout team. I think Oakland knows who there QB is going to be. Go on and jam JAM!!!!

  220. Dakota Says:

    I really hope I am wrong about all of this….if we go 7-9 or 8-8 next season I’ll call Al a genius and Cable the next Madden.

  221. Raider O Says:

    Dakota,

    I can’t argue since your points make a lot of sense, but I do hope you are wrong. By the way, how did he do at Cal and UCLA.
    Also, do you remember how welll the great Bill did with the Browns?

  222. SnB Defense Says:

    Priesttj,

    Also remember this team just finished 5-11…not 8-8 or 11-5…so people are going to have questions.

    Some are concerned about Russell.

    Some are concerned about the running game and who will carry the ball.

    Others are skittish about the receiving corps.

    And others about the Offensive Line and Safety play.

    My big concern is the run defense. Judging from a 31st ranking, a position they have finished twice in the last 6 yrs…and multiple late 20’s rankings…and few personnell upgrades/competitions…I would think my concern has some merit.

    Again, motivation is going to be key because Sands/Warren/Kelly and the LBs tend to run hot and cold.

  223. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Cable did have some growing pains last year, but Dakota overlooks many accomplishments from last year:

    > Restoring team cohesiveness/maturity after the embarassment of the Kiffin firing. Against all odds, the team did not give up in December and Cable’s leadership must be credited here.

    > Many underperformers WERE demoted or dumped when Cable gained authority, including Knapp, Lofton, Huff, Hall, Curry, and eventually Kwame. I also credit Cable for being at least a strong advocate of the defensive coaching purge.

    > Penalties and stupid plays gradually decreased.

    > Cable knows how to repectfully work with Al to get what he wants, which is (sad to say) an all-important talent.

    > Cable’s role in offseason moves is hard to define, but he clearly differs from past coaches on big name FA signings and pushed hard to keep both Aso and Lechler.

    > In general, Cable’s whole MO is low on drama and high on honest accountablility. I believe this is an underappreciated benefit for such a young, talented and newly rich group of players.

  224. DMAC Says:

    Any word on Joseph? Did he get cut?

  225. hellsbells Says:

    Can anyone put up the link for David White, stupid work computers blocks it if I try to go there directly.

  226. SnB Defense Says:

    CJ Legend,

    You are right. THere is no QB controversey, unless one thinks that a 3rd string competition is a controversey. Russell is the QB period. He is entering his 2nd yr as a full time starter. If he can improve upon his performance the last 6 or 7 games, with more pass attempts, he will be just fine.

    Garcia is not, and never was, an option. He’s there to be a good backup and add another “do-right” guy to the roster. Garcia’s ceiling barely reaches the living room floor at Russell’s house.

    Garcia is a backup that can come in and provide decent play.

    Russell’s job to win or lose.

  227. Raider O Says:

    BSJ,

    Great points, and well said.

  228. ottocrat Says:

    Actually, if someone can copy + paste D. White’s tweet that would be great. My work computer won’t let me get on his page at all.

  229. DKnight007 Says:

    Rellik30 Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
    Was Davis talking about Mooch for “that football guy”?

    http://www.raiders.com/common/photogallerycenter.aspx?albumId=64382

    ^^^^^^
    Pic 16 of 18 with Cable and Madden talking looks like a serious conversation about football.

    I hope so…..

  230. DKnight007 Says:

    SnB Defense Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 9:25 am
    Priesttj and others,

    My posts 117 and 118 got you a little animated. I didn’t necessariy give an opinion on the Raider run defense…I simply compared the offseason responses of various teams and compared them to the Raiders.

    I am hoping Marshall, Board and the LB coach can get these guys more disciplined than the prior coaches. I just find it interesting that a team with a 31st ranked run defense made scant personnel moves in the offseason.

    I found it interesting that the Colts and Patriots drafted multiple DTs and used 1st day picks to do so. I found it interesting that the just about every team in the league invested high picks on run defense improvement. Not necessarily condemning the Raiders decison making. Just pointing out some different approaches taken in the offseason by various clubs.

    Again, you are right, the coaches think Terdell Sands, Gerard Warren, Tommy Kelly, Ryan Boschetti, Wiliam Joseph and Desmond Bryant are elite talents. They have to prove it on the field

    ^^^^^
    I agree….and lets hope the old man actually does something smart next year and draft DT, big strong DE’s and LB’s next year.

  231. Mistabrown Says:

    Not even a denial from OakGlenn of impersonating other bloggers….lmao!

    # Oakglenn Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 10:16 pm

    # KoolKell Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 10:09 pm

    Oakglenn

    How do you feel now that you can’t impersonate other bloggers?

    Still frustrated?
    ————————————————

    Actually I am not frustrated at all with this blog. What are you doing starting up with me? Seems to me you have enough problems on this blog.

  232. DKnight007 Says:

    SinceFrankYouellField Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 9:21 am
    I think it is inappropriate to call J Russell a bust after what was basically his rookie season as a starter under extremely dysfunctional circumstances. It is also inappropriate to refer to Tom Cable as a “dipschit” after his rookie season as a head coach under the same circumstances. He tried some bonehead stuff to make something happen…and learned from it. Just like J Russ, he got better as the season progressed. He LOVES being a Raider, can work with the Owner under the “Raider” system, is apparently a good motivator. I anticipate improvement, not miracles, on both sides of the ball. Get ready to be impressed.

    ^^^^^^
    It’s not just inappropriate….it’s flat out STUPID!

  233. DMAC Says:

    no word on Joseph?

  234. Mistabrown Says:

    O how much did you pay ? That same jersey might be 4.99 in 2 years!

    Raider O Says:
    June 9th, 2009 at 10:10 pm

    Mista,

    I bought a JR jersey to show my support, and that I believe he can be great.
    Also, they were out of my size in the DMC jersey!

  235. hellsbells Says:

    Thanks

  236. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Dakota Says:
    June 10th, 2009 at 9:22 am
    Raider O,

    That’s what people probably said in Idaho after his first season. After 4 full seasons he was 11-35 (and lost 4 games to schools in lower divisions, lol). I know Al didn’t know any of this when he hired him as HC, but hey, Al isn’t big on logic.

    I have a feeling that when all is said and done in the Tom Cable era people will be saying Tom Cable was who we thought he was! (Dennis Green). Nice guy in over his head.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    More telling than his Idaho gig is his time as OC at UCLA. Better athletes and competition there, and since his playcalling is a huge worry, we should look at his stats:

    2004: averaged 410 yds./game on offense; total rushing yards nearly doubled over 03, going from 1,195 to 2,219.

    2005: averaged 431 yds./game; fifth in nation in scoring (39.1); 23rd in nation in passing yards per game.

    AND as OC at Colorado in 1999, his offense was ranked 14th nationally at 424 yds./game

    One can cherry pick his Idaho record and remain pessimistic. But at Idaho he ran a West Coast offense (yards were still 400+). I’d say his playcalling skills are reflected much more accurately in the instances listed above.

  237. Dakota Says:

    new post

  238. Voldemort Says:

    As hard as our schedule is, the rest of our division has to play those same teams right? We got screwed in the sense that we have to play a lot of road games in December in cold weather cities, but if we can tough it out in the cold and just come away with one of those games, I think we can make a serious run at the division, and it’s like Cable sais, “Once you get into the tournament (playoffs), anything can happen.” It will be crucial that we sweep the Chiefs and Donkeys, but I don’t think that is too far out of the realm of possibility. It will be intiresting to say the least. I can’t wait until the season man, I’m going crazy.

  239. Luvthynation Says:

    After reviewing last season i`m quite sure if we had started off with Mario Henderson at left tackle and Chris Johnson as our second cornerback,Chaz Schilens instead of Ronald Curry. We could have possibly been 8-8 or even 9-7. To many times drives were killed by Kwame “Worst of all time” Harris.Deangelo Hall was the worst bump and run corner ever and Ronald Curry couldn`t catch a cold in a blizzard. I`m not saying that we are going to the super bowl this year but we have a lot to be optimistic about. In the offseason we addressed the tackle positions as well as wide reciever which we needed more than anything. The acquisition of Lorenzo Neal is huge. on passing plays he is like another lineman and he is one of the best blocking fullbacks in history.Dmac will have a breakout year if healthy. I am most optimistic about JRuss,last year was really his rookie year and he got better as the year progressed. They finally took the training wheels off towards the end of the season and we saw the quarterback we hoped he would be.look for Zach Miller to have a pro bowl season because he won`t need to stay in and block on passing downs.Hopefully are new D coordinator will use more disgiused bllitzes and Burgess will have double digit sack numbers due to this being a contract year. On running plays we should be able to stack to box with 2 lockdown corners. To me the ? is our D-line. If the new D coordinator can teach our LB`s not to over pursue so backs can`t cut back for long gains like last year then we will be competitive and challenge for a AFC crown and more we shall see.

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