Wednesday OTA notes
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, June 10th, 2009 at 12:54 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Notes and quotes from Wednesday’s OTA and interview sessions:
– Quarterback JaMarcus Russell had his best day of practice, or at least his best day in the presence of reporters.
In another day heavy with red zone drills, Russell at one point threw four consecutive touchdown passes, including one on a play in the back of the end zone when he broke to his right and found a leaping Marcel Reece against Tyvon Branch in the back of the end zone.
He also had a strike for a touchdown in what the Raiders expect to be a familiar sight, finding Zach Miller in a seam before the defense could react.
“I think earlier coach kind of emphasized giving the guys a chance,” Russell said. “If they give you a chance to put it in the end zone as far as pass rush, you’ve got to put somewhere in that location where they can catch it. Just give them a chance. We can run the ball all day. Once you get inside the 20, we’re going to take shots at the end zone and that’s what we were lacking.
“We’d get down there sometimes and try to run the ball all three downs and had to kick a field goal. If you don’t take a chance at the end zone, how are you going to get there?”
– A cynic would suggest not to read too much into it _ Michael Huff was playing free safety while Hiram Eugene sat out with a back injury. Eugene joined the team on the field late, then after being stretched extensively by the training staff, did not return for team sessions.
– Flashbacks from 2008 training camp _ wide receiver Todd Watkins making some impressive catches, including one touchdown from Russell in a red zone drill.
– Once again the Raiders did very little in terms of throwing the ball downfield, something coach Tom Cable promises will be a big part of the offense. To be fair, the media days seem to be heavy in the red zone, where there are few deep opportunities.
– Overheard from defensive coordinator John Marshall . . . ‘
“Get the hell out of our drill,” Marshall to offensive linemen who had finished their drill session and straggled through a defensive session en route to the other side of the field.
“Run to the ball black shirts, that’s what you do . . . you run,” Marshall exhorting a faster pace during a team session.
“You guys have got to stiffen it up inside too soft, too soft,” Marshall after Michael Bush ran unimpeded through the middle.
– Overheard from passing game coordintator Ted Tollner . . .
“You’ve got to sell that `go’ better,’ ” Tollner to rookie wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey after he telegraphed a red zone route which was broken up by two defenders.
– Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha, who missed the last OTA, isn’t counting on the defensive philosophy being much different under Marshall.
“We know the game plan, pretty much know how to play,” Asomugha said. “On defense, it’s going to be the same stuff.”
– Asomugha may get his wish and shadow the opposition’s best receiver on occasion, although he reiterated change isn’t going to be a big in terms of scheme with the Oakland defense.
“Yeah, we talked about that, me and Lionel (Washington) whether it’s shadowing or doing what we’ve done, where we’ll double another guy if he goes to a different side, we’ll be open to mixing it up pretty much,” Asomugha said. “It should be a different feel a little bit but it’s kind of going to be what we had last year and the years before.”
– Players aside from Eugene who were limited included wide reciever Chaz Schilens (hamstring) and lineman Paul McQuistan (knee). Those who did not attend because of what Cable termed “personal” business were defensive tackle Terdell Sands, running back Justin Fargas, defensive end Derrick Burgess, quarterback Jeff Garcia, quarterback Andrew Walter, defensive end Jay Richardson and wide receiver Will Franklin.
– Cable seemed to soften his optimism somewhat on the chance that fullback Oren O’Neal would be ready to go by the start of training camp.
“The injury he has needs a lot of work and a lot of time,” Cable said. “He’ll just continue to do what he’s doing, and he’s progressing. The hope is that he’s ready to go when camp comes.”
– Fullback Lorenzo Neal continued to get plenty of work and even caught two passes out of the backfield in which he turned the corner and rumbled up field. While things could change during training camp, the Raiders don’t appear to be employing a lot of lead man-blocking plays within their zone blocking format to integrate Neal’s biggest strength.
– Cable sees OTAs as a time to play it smart.
“The biggest thing I’m judging right now is how they’re picking it up and are we eliminating the mental errors part of it,” Cable said. “The physical part of it, without pads you can’t judge anything that way. What I want to see is the mental errors, the execution mentally, can we get to a high level and sustain it through practice and eliminate mental errors. That’s really what this whole thing is about.
– Speaking of mental errors, defensive tackle Tommy Kelly jumped offsides at least three more times, a recurring theme this offseason. Kelly also has been quick to penetrate when he guesses right, although Cable doesn’t sound enthused about the possibility of having someone who picks up occasional penalties on gambles.
“Tommy’s a good player, and as I talk to the defense every day, the one common thing they keep hearing from me is more discipline, more discipline, so that kind of fits what you’re saying,” Cable said. “Staying onside, not giving up free yards, free plays, that kind of thing.”
– Khalif Barnes was seen getting reps in place of Mario Henderson for the first time with the first team at left tackle, although Cable said it first happened last Wednesday. He said it was simply a matter of evening out reps.
“Read nothing into that, believe me,” Cable said.
– The Raiders report to training camp July 29, with the first practice the following day. Cable said the Raiders were changing up the format, although he was non-specific. There likely won’t be as many night practices, he said. The club is also working on having the 49ers to Napa for a second straight year, the days and times to be determined.
– Quarterback Charlie Frye was on hand, wearing No. 3, but got no work in seven-on-sevens or team drills as Russell and Bruce Gradkowski got all the snaps.
Frye said he is fine with entering into a situation where Russell is the quarterback of the future and Garcia is counted on as the veteran backup.
“I think I’m a competitor. I think competition brings out the best in me,” Frye said. “With what happened in Cleveland, when me and Derek (Anderson) battled, with Brady Quinn, for that one year, I thought it really brought the best out of my game. So I like competition. That’s why you play the game – to have a chance to compete.”
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June 10th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
If Karma is real, then in my next life I am going to be a tree that is cut down and turned into a waterboarding device.
June 10th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Thanks Jerry, you rock!
June 10th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Jerry, David White already twittered all of this info to us! You better get relevant!
June 10th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
JERRY,
Can you find out when Mike Mitchell’s school ends and when he will be out here?
And thanx for the updates!
June 10th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha, who missed the last OTA, isn’t counting on the defensive philosophy being much different under Marshall.
“We know the game plan, pretty much know how to play,” Asomugha said. “On defense, it’s going to be the same stuff.”
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Al’s stuff.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Is Reece a FB or a TE?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Good stuff, Jerry.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
It sounds to me like Marshall is going to have his hands tied as far as defensive schemes go. We’ll see if Ryan really is a good coordinator now that he is not forced to run The Al’s defense. We don’t know if Marshall is a good D-coordinator yet, the only thing we do know is that The Al isn’t.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Marshall was hired because he runs the same Def. that the Raiders like to run,just more efficiently than bozo Ryan.it has been proven the last 6 years that R.Ryan was a lousy DC.that’s what we know.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Let Er Rip!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Is it me or do I seem to keep reading about Branch being abused by someone in OTAs.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
I wanted Ryan gone since he played Brayton as an OLB.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
4eva,
#10, Are we still talking about football?!
June 10th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
if Ryan hadn’t screwed up Brayton,we’d have our run stopping base DE right now.Carolina seems pretty happy with him there.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Mike Mitchel sure is missing out on a lot of reps. The rule that doesn’t allow him to practice till school is out needs to be changed.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Holla4LosT…….
I read somewhere, that Mitchell’s college is done on 6/12.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
oh,i’m sorry,Brayton was another player people on here wanted run out of town.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
A tweener DT/ Base End playing OLB in a 3-4 scheme!!! Genius!!
A college CB playing cover 1 SS!! Genius!!
June 10th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Brayton sucks
Don’t miss him
June 10th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Lefty,
Exactly!!!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Just missed the play where he kneed that guy in the ballz!
hahaha
June 10th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Robo is a Genius!!
June 10th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Mitchell’s college semester doesn’t end until June 12th? Were they on four day weeks or something? Was the school closed down due to fire for a month? Did they have a two month Christmas break (or should I say Holiday break)?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Brayton played all positions but his true one!! Base End!!
Again, robo is a Genius!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Was Marshall holding an M-1 Garrand, when he told the O-line to “Get the hell out of our drill”. Ala Clint?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Speaking of mental errors, defensive tackle Tommy Kelly jumped offsides at least three more times, a recurring theme this offseason. Kelly also has been quick to penetrate when he guesses right, although Cable doesn’t sound enthused about the possibility of having someone who picks up occasional penalties on gambles.
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I remember in pop-warner they told us to watch the ball. I guess Kelly must have missed that.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Holiday!! Be PC, or be gone!!
lol
June 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Raider O Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
A tweener DT/ Base End playing OLB in a 3-4 scheme!!! Genius!!
A college CB playing cover 1 SS!! Genius!!
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Or, maybe Al never really wanted to switch to a 3-4 and didn’t allow the transition to be completed before he pulled the plug? Kinda like the one game tampa 2 experiment?
June 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
i just looked up Marshall’s background.i didn’t realize LBers are his specialty.should make that position interesting this coming year.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Dakota…
Can’t remember where I read that, but the article said that Mitchell’s college was one of, if not the last one to be finished.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Raider O
I sure hope so!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Dakota,Davis allowed the 3-4 to be run in the past.maybe he realized Ryan was trying to put square pegs in round holes.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Dakota,
What!!! Boy, you craazy! lol
Huff played SS for 2 seasons, playing against TEs, FBs, and RBs. Players that ate around 220 and up. He is 200 pounds at best!!
Brayton was on the team for 5 years!!
June 10th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Was Marshall holding an M-1 Garrand, when he told the O-line to “Get the hell out of our drill”. Ala Clint?
I got a good visual on that 1
June 10th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Lefty,
No sir, Robo was a genius. He is a Ryan! It’s in their DNA!!
LMAO
June 10th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
We should never have signed Sapp…he went straight to Davis and killed the 3-4 Ryan experiment.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Exactly right Lefty12, The Raiders won SB XVIII with a great 3-4 Defense
June 10th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
4eva,
lol, I thought it was 420!!
June 10th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Everyone likes to talk about the ‘85 Bears defense, but I think the ‘83 Raiders defense was one of the best of all time.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Man, it’s just not in me to argue on behalf of Rob fukin Ryan….
Sorry Rob, everyone is right, you suck.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
ELWAYs TEETH Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Exactly right Lefty12, The Raiders won SB XVIII with a great 3-4 Defense
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Someone in here once claimed that the Raiders only played a 3-4 defense that year because injuries forced them to…can anyone confirm that? I was 7 at the time…
June 10th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Dakota,
It’s worse than arguing on behalf of Al for the last 6 years!
June 10th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
Dakota,the Raiders played the 3-4 many years when we had Ted Hendricks,just not sure of the years.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
The Raiders won that SB with Reggie Kinlaw playing his butt off at Nose Tackle against the Hogs and John Riggins.
Our current D-tackles should watch film of that game over and over
June 10th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
No, I think that happened years earlier when the Al claimed to have invented the 3-4. The 83 Raiders had plenty of depth at both DL and LB. Ted hendricks was one of the OLBs in 83 and he was such a hybrid type, that they could switch back and forth without changing personnel
June 10th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Reggie Kinlaw sacrificed his body to make the 3-4 work, and Millen and Nelson gave him the credit he deserved for all the plays they were able to make when he nuetralized two O lineman every play
June 10th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
We should never have signed Sapp…he went straight to Davis and killed the 3-4 Ryan experiment.
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See, that’s another example of not having a coherent strategy. Sapp was never a 3-4 NT…why sign him. Its the fantasy football approach.
The Raiders have to get players that fit the scheme. They have been very sketchy in that department. That’s why I am concerned about the Defensive Line. The Raiders always seem to put a premium on the pass rush at the expense of run stoppage. The LDE is a 260 pass rusher…the NT is a one-gap penetrator…physicality is not at the core of the MLB…the lead for the SLB is a speedy ex-safety who gained 20 lbs to get to 230..
June 10th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
The Raiders run a finesse defense that tries to play physical. Hopefully Marshall can reconcile those issues.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
I am glad I am not an old fart like you guys, but I am jealous of your fond memories of better times in Oakland Raider history…maybe if I had seen those times I wouldn’t be so ready to throw Al Davis off a building. I’ve just seen 25 years of consistently poor football.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
How bad was Rob Ryan? Why was this guy able to so quickly get another DC job. This guy also was a Patriot assistant. I can’t imagine a coach making it with Belicheck if they can’t teach the fundamentals.
Look, I didn’t like Ryan’s playcalling. But its a little much to say the guy couldn’t recognize gap discipline or teach tackling.
The Raider players simply have to play up to their contracts.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Dakota, You’ve finally found something to make me feel good about being an old fart…..at least I can look back on it and say, “I remember when the Raiders were good every year”. Thanks…I think.
June 10th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
I’m old but not senile, I can still name every defensive starter on that 83 team and tell you their number…..but I don’t want to bore you young guys.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
No problem Elways Teeth…I always enjoy helping out senior citizens.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
HA HA Dakota….
Maybe after I finish my triathlon this Saturday, you can come visit this old fart. We can knock off a couple cases of beer and watch Reggie Kinlaw kick some butt.
LOL
June 10th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
I wasn’t alive the last time the Raiders won a Super Bowl. I can’t wait to experience the feeling of watching that happen. Hopefully it’s not too long from now.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Ha Ha Dakota…..When i get a little older I’ll change my name to Elway’s Dentures.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
S&B read Nnamdis comments.Ryan was a buffoon.tackling got worse every year he was here.how many times during games did you hear announcers talk about the lousy tackling by our def.?how many times did you hear even the players say people weren’t staying home?that was Ryan’s job-to make sure we tackled and stayed where we were supposed to be,and he failed miserably.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Stabler76,
Oh, you mean the Al@meda County Bing0, Water Aer0bics, Walgreen’s Ph@rmacy Visit triathlon?
Are you sure you will be able to drink beer after that?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
MoRaider, I have three sons that weren’t born then either. They’re Raider fans by blood, but sometimes they wonder why we’re all so dedicated to a team they’ve hardly ever seen be good.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
You ever see some of those senior ladies at Water Aerobics…. thats why I always bring my snorkle and mask.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
lol Stabler76,
I hear the water gives them a “lift” in areas that seem to be losing the battle against gravity!
June 10th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Triathlon!!! Good for you sir. I can swim due to surfing, but I hate running. And I don’t like bikes unless they have motors.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Dakota,
LMFAO
June 10th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
I too am a Raider fan by blood. But now, I am probably the most dedicated Raider fan in my family. The Gruden era seems like a long time ago. I just hope Cable gets us back to respectability. It sucks getting poked fun of at work on mondays after a loss.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
“I’ve been out here practicing. Coaches just don’t want me to take it to that sixth gear that I got yet.”–DHB, from the Raiders twitter thingy.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Dakota,
LMFAO
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June 10th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
RaiderO….
LOL
Yeah not to crazy about the bike or run or swim.
Mostly I just like chasing the cute females in shorts for 2 hours. —
June 10th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Mo,
I live in San Diego, I understand.
Nothing worse than a discharged fan on a Mon after a loss!!
June 10th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Yup, My three sons used to come home from school pissed off after taking crap from 9er fans and ask me why we were Raider fans? They get it now.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Raider O,
Hopefully it’ll be your turn to talk trash after the monday night game. we’re due, it’s only been like what 3 years?
June 10th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
I have a lot of respect for the Baby Boomer generation, worked hard and played even harder. 60s and 70s were a lot of fun from what I hear!!
June 10th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
If any of you guys still want to play football, my son started a full contact flag football league that starts soon. Very competetive, and there are still openings for teams and individual players:
http://www.speedflagfootball.com/
June 10th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Stabler76,
lol,
I was watching the Doors the other day ( great music), and I wished I was there at that time!!! I like women, drugs to expand the mind, and muscle cars!!
June 10th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Mo,
I can’t wait.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
I ws 5 at the time…. and the woman were great
LOL
June 10th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Raider O Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Stabler76,
lol,
I was watching the Doors the other day ( great music), and I wished I was there at that time!!! I like women, drugs to expand the mind, and muscle cars!!
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I can see your point Raider O…nowadays we have music by Adam Lambert, women that wear bras, drugs to expand the pecker, not the mind, and fuel efficient cars…
Not quite as fun I am sure.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
And I’m blogging instead of playing pickup tackle with my friends at the park
June 10th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
It wasn’t all Happy sh!t then though, we didn’t have the internet, and we only got about 5 channels on TV and two of those sucked. No ESPN, No MTV, No cartoon network……
June 10th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
no electricity, no cars, no wheels…
June 10th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Raider O-they were a lot of fun from what little i can remember.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
Dakota,
Free love, telling the government they are wrong, Black Panthers, better family values, etc…
Don’t forget the Drugs, Women, and the Muscle cars!!
June 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
and we had to walk 10 miles uphill to school.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
in the snow,during blizards.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
back in the ice-age….
June 10th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
I paid $25 bucks to run 10 miles uphill last weekend
and they were out of tee shirts.
Yeah things really were better then
June 10th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
lefty12 Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
S&B read Nnamdis comments.Ryan was a buffoon.tackling got worse every year he was here.how many times during games did you hear announcers talk about the lousy tackling by our def.?how many times did you hear even the players say people weren’t staying home?that was Ryan’s job-to make sure we tackled and stayed where we were supposed to be,and he failed miserably.
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I don’t doubt that Ryan was a bad defensive coach.
All I am saying is that if issues such as tackling and gap discipline were not recognized by Rob Ryan and his staff, they wouldn’t be NFL caliber. Maybe its all teaching. But that’s interesting, Davis has no qualms with firing coaches. Why would he stick with Ryan so long?
I don’t doubt that teaching technique and playcalling played a role…but to give the TALENT a free pass is a bit optimistic given the lack of playmaking and the pathetic season ending stats.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
ELWAYs TEETH Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
and we had to walk 10 miles uphill to school.
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Both ways.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Dakota,
I can’t type, LMFAO
Ice age!!
June 10th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Lefty,
LMAO, you guys are killing me!
June 10th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
My father had to walk 10 miles to school too. Was that a law back then, no houses within a 10 mile radius from schools!!
LMAO
June 10th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Houses? We lived in caves back then.
June 10th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
And we were happy to have them!
June 10th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
LMAO,
Stop it, my daughter is looking at me like I’m crazy!!
June 10th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
S&B they probably were recognized,but obviously they weren’t properly addressed.if they had been the problem would have been fixed,or we would have had different players.Nnamdi makes a key point when he says Marshall is emphasizing unity.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
S&B-i’ve heard many ex-player analysts say fundamentals aren’t taught enough at the pro level.i believe Ryan is proof of that statement.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Lefty12,
So why would Al Davis stick with Rob Ryan for some 5 or 6 years when he has no issue with firing underperforming coaches?
June 10th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
all of you self proclaimed raiders fans that express desires to have Al Davis killed, or even for him to die of natural causes need to learn to respect your elders, and also to respect greatness. All teams in professional sports go through tough years. You are being ridiculous to expect that things can turn around instantly. Davis is NOT senile, nor is he stupid or crazy. Dont you children have grandparents with capable minds? If not, then it looks bad for your future, because this is a hereditary trait.
Also, everyone attempts to pinpoint what an Al Davis team is built with, or who is an Al Davis type of player etc etc. There is NO SUCH THING. over Davis’ many years in football he has designed numerous different styles of offense and defense. The Raiders are his team, and he will build them into contenders once again. If you have a problem with him, cheer for another team.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
ezdub Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
all of you self proclaimed raiders fans that express desires to have Al Davis killed, or even for him to die of natural causes need to learn to respect your elders, and also to respect greatness. All teams in professional sports go through tough years. You are being ridiculous to expect that things can turn around instantly. Davis is NOT senile, nor is he stupid or crazy. Dont you children have grandparents with capable minds? If not, then it looks bad for your future, because this is a hereditary trait.
Also, everyone attempts to pinpoint what an Al Davis team is built with, or who is an Al Davis type of player etc etc. There is NO SUCH THING. over Davis’ many years in football he has designed numerous different styles of offense and defense. The Raiders are his team, and he will build them into contenders once again. If you have a problem with him, cheer for another team.
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June 10th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
what is aarp??
June 10th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
and you guys think I’m old…………..
June 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
ezdub… that approach will never work…with him
try this
Dakota loves Fargas — Na Na NaNaNa
June 10th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
i dont know what a dakota is, but i just get sick of people wishing death on someone, and just because their sports team isnt winning enough?? Get a new team if it is such a major issue to you. what will you do? celebrate Davis’ eventual death like it was the super bowl??
June 10th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
RR had restrictions as to what he could and couldnt do on D, we all know that.
The issue I always had is if that is the case, and your playbook is limited, then the certain aspects should improve over the seasons as DC.
Run defense is as basic as it gets and the majority of the time he ran the D, we sucked.
If you cant improve on the things that you are limited to work with, it says all I need to know about the talents he provided to the Raiders.
I wish him all the best with the Browns. It will be interesting to see over the next 2-3 seasons how things work themselves out.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
#100 LMAO
June 10th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Relax,
I don’t literally wish death on Al Davis…I wouldn’t really throw him off a building…lol.
And I am not sure what a Ezdub is either.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Easy Dub: easy 20! I think.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
From the Q&A with Cable at today’s OTA.
Q: On letting the QB “air it out”
Cable: “To me you might retard a young guy by trying to be to cautious. So let’s rip it right now as you learn how to do this. It’s good to see him turn it loose. Also it is a great way to find out who can make those plays.” http://www.raiders.com/common/article.aspx?id=64412
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Cable, taking a shot at the legendary Lance Kiffin’s playing it “safe” with Russell last year?
June 10th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Ezdub,
Am I right?
June 10th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
one thing is for certain for all of you of the lesser ages, if Bo Jackson would not have freakishly had his hip joint destroyed, you would not be recalling a quarter century without super bowl victories. yes, only one player, but he was PHENOMENAL! after Jim Brown, Bo Jackson is the only player who ever exhibited that power and speed in the same person.
Alas…
June 10th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Ezdub,
I understand the sentiments expressed in post #97.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Nnamdi Asomugha didnt become a starter until his third season. I hope for the best but that is what I think will be the case with Mike Mitchell. I am on board with the ‘reason’ for DHB, but I am just not sold on a few unreal highlight clips when you aren’t even an honorable mention in a 3rd tier conference. There are a lot of bad plays that would compensate for a big hits highlight real to not get honorable mention.
If it was because of the work ethic and workout for the team… names like Vernon Davis and the Jets Gholston come to mind.
So do all the people on here that wanted Gholston… lol
June 10th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
It was as if Kiffin was trying purposely to retard Russell.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Since Andrew Walter got his brains beat out during the Art Shell catastrophe, the Raiders have brought in at least 7 QBs and sent a clear message to AW that he is not in their future plans. AW wants a fresh start, but for some unexplained reason Davis keeps AW unused and on the self.
Walter has gone from good soldier to indifferent observer. This year he has passed up as many meetings and OTAs as possible. He has done everything but pee in the old man’s Cheerios in an attempt to get his release prior to the start of NFL training camps. Logic would lead to an AW release, but then again, this is the Raiders. Davis will probably hold onto AW until the final cut.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
With Walter, we have seen this move time and time again with Al, he will keep him on the roster just to be defiant to the player. Possibly keeping four QBs on the final roster.
June 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
M Lonetree….
Bo was the REAL DEAL…..ahhh, what if??
June 10th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Curious to see what Walter would have become if his O-line would have been made from something stronger than whipped cream.
I wonder if Cable would start Fargas infront of Bo?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Of course he would have Stabler76…Fargas is a better pass blocker than Bo was, lmfao…lamest excuse Fargas apologists in here use by far…pass blocking..sheesh.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
I thought walter was a great pick in the 3rd, and that he was going to be our QB. That Art year killed him. Look at Carr.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
Much like old age and a constant helping of Benadryl is retarding you, Krappy.
Man, we’d gone most of the day without a Krappy sighting and then he stumbles back from his mid-afternoon pant-dumping to log onto the blog.
Krappy, you were doing so well being absent. Let’s keep working on that, you’re slowly (no surprise) getting it.
In the meantime, where Bo Douche and Charged Down?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Oakglenn (Beecham)
Why don’t you suck my ass?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Oakglenn (Beecham)
Why don’t you suck my ass?
Then you wouldn’t have to worry about my drawers, no?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
lol, looks like it might be an interesting night on the blog…have fun guys, I can’t wait to read your banter tomorrow morning.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
Both ways.
fukkin-A BSJ!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Walter has no excuses. Sure he took a beatdown during Shell2. So what? Peyton, Aikman – they were on crappy teams and ate a lot of turf before things got better. Plunkett was a human tackling dummy in Boston and EssEff before being afforded some time on the Raider bench to recuperate.
David Carr, David Klingler and Tim Rosenbach had the crap kicked out of them on bad teams and they never were able to come out of it at all.
Andrew just has to decide what he wants to do. No excuses.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Tui never got a real shot here either, imo.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
It was as if Kiffin was trying purposely to retard Russell.
The whole damn organization
June 10th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Al Davis ruined his rookie year. You don’t draft a overall #1, unprepared to pay #1 money.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Krappy, that is a very insightful comment! But you’re not quite right. See, you old goat, if your ass were to be sucked – and sucked thoroughly – there would still be plenty of crap in your pants because you’ve been crapping them 3 or 4 times a day for the past 20 years.
It would take a small team of guppies days to clean out those ratty old things, and this is underwater in ideal conditions.
The best thing for you to do, ol Krappy, is to keep your head out of the microwave and get in the bath before you hurt your fingers on the keyboard.
This is no place for such an old bag of bones like yourself, Krappy.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
SnB Defense Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
How bad was Rob Ryan? Why was this guy able to so quickly get another DC job. This guy also was a Patriot assistant. I can’t imagine a coach making it with Belicheck if they can’t teach the fundamentals.
Look, I didn’t like Ryan’s playcalling. But its a little much to say the guy couldn’t recognize gap discipline or teach tackling.
The Raider players simply have to play up to their contracts.
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If anything, I’d say it was 40% player mistake and 60% of Ryan’s BS. Anyone remember the first few games of the year when we all blasted Rob for using prevent defense and he came back crying, I don’t run a prevent D. I lost all faith in Ryan from there, he had way too many chances and as a result, well, the stats don’t lie.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
WTF???
I look up only to see this garbage?
Are you guys even old enough to have open access to the internet??
embarrassing!
June 10th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Later Dakota.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Saint
What is embarassing, the comments or the topics?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
How can a DC insist on dicipline from the troops, when he, himself has no real authority?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
YES!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Saint
What specifically is bothersome to you?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Nnamdi and Rod are talking Raiders on NFLTA.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
I totally agree with you, SK. Krappy embarasses every cool dude on this blog each time he wanders through the Burger King drive thru in the nude.
I mean, who the heck wants to eat a mini sirloin burger after seeing that?
But one of these days the old goat will find his way into a nursing home and all will be right in the blog o sphere.
That is until Charged Down takes his Blink 182 cover band on tour.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
# KoolKell Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Oakglenn (Beecham)
Why don’t you suck my ass?
Then you wouldn’t have to worry about my drawers, no?
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Actually KK, I am not Beecham. Nor do I have any idea who Beecham is. But remember, just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean people aren’t out to get you.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Hey Dell,
What’s shakin’??
Just having a go at the minors you know. You would think that with all of the other electronic options out there to act like 9th graders they wouldn’t congregate in an f’ing Raider blog!!
That’s all.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Saint
I understand your point. I guess I’m use to the comments and just try to find some one to comment about the Raiders.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Beeecham farted again (post #137).
June 10th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
SaintKaufman
They’ve always been here. At least now they can hijack your name.
I read in the newspaper the other day, that Tony LaRussa was angry at Twitter, because somebody was tweeting under his name.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Raider Dell Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Saint
I understand your point. I guess I’m use to the comments and just try to find some one to comment about the Raiders.
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Only positive Raider comments though ,no Dell? Happy talk?
June 10th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Hey it’s Lil Al! One of my new favorite little followers!
I’m glad your high school is finally out for summer vacation, because now we can spend the next 3 months together.
Hey, question for you – you’re under 18, how the heck has Blink 182 maintained their popularity?
I just want to be more informed the next time I engage in a discussion with Charged Down.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Watch out, fellas – Krappy loves “happy talk” right after he’s taken his meds.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
KoolKell
I can handle negative comments. I have no problem with your constant queries about Davis. You have that right. I’ve told you some time ago, that all negative comments can’t be all wrong but not all of the comments can be totally right either.
I believe the part of winning over personalities gets in the way on this blog. To many people who comment defend their position, until the hate and slanderous words reach a point of no return.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
That fool is sooooooooo angry with me.
June 10th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Dell
That’s our culture at this point. Everyone is emotionally invested in being right, rather than the truth. Repubs & Dems play the same dishonest games with each other.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Politicians being dishonest!! They play games!!
But what about the people??!! lol
June 10th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
KK,
It can be anger, and it can also be love!!
June 10th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
KK
The comments about Jamarcus are not encouraging. The guys in here just don’t understand what it is like to be in a fish bowl.
Every move is either a negative or sets off the kind of words that some people feel so comfortable with.
Example:(doughnut, Jubutus,jethro, Lazy, etc..)
I remember when Jamarcus missed a week, we come to find out his Uncle Ray died, who was like a father to him. I remember some comments in here about bling, cruising playing and fooling around and not taking his job serious. The are totally wrong, not one of them has even acknowledged the mistake or even apologized.
How do you defend such stupidity. I guess you just read the comments from the people who are hoping to see the Raiders win again again on a consistent basis.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Dakota Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
I am glad I am not an old fart like you guys, but I am jealous of your fond memories of better times in Oakland Raider history…maybe if I had seen those times I wouldn’t be so ready to throw Al Davis off a building. I’ve just seen 25 years of consistently poor football.
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This is ridiculous. I am the first to recognize the poor performance the last six years, but prior to this recent stretch, the Raiders were among the NFL elite. Since the Raiders were last in the Super Bowl (2002 season), only 11 other teams out of 32 total have been, with only 4 winners (Patriots x 2, Steelers x 2, Giants and Colts). That’s 20 other teams not even making it to the championship since the Raiders were last there. Now if you go back 25 years, since the Raiders last won a Super Bowl, only 12 out of 32 teams have won a Super Bowl since the Raiders last did it. If you compare the Raiders wins and losses over the years from 1984 to 2002, they stack up with the teams every thinks are so great now…. Better than the Patriots record and only three wins worse that the Steelers record over that same span. Let’s not be ignorant of the facts….the last six years have been bad, which is a couple of years longer than most of the “down” streaks that all teams seem to go through. The Raiders are due and I think are now on the right track to improve significantly.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
It would probably be helpful if JaMarcus made himself available to the local media a little bit more, Dell.
But, maybe he feels he’s not ready for that yet.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Cliff Branch
That is a piece of Raider propaganda. The Raiders have a sub.500 record over the last 20 years
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/lineups.htm
June 10th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
KoolKell
It would also help if Cable would be more descriptive with what he expects out of Jamarcus. His comments have fueled this bashing, I’m still waiting for a media reporter to ask specifically what Jamarcus nees to do to be that “guy” in Cables words.
We all know leadership, but what else does he mean when he Cable says words to the effect about his work ethics.
I don’t believe Jamarcus needs to lay out a laundry list of what he is doing, just for Cable to zip his lips.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
KK,
Al hates the Media.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
So let me get this straight…. Cable is supposed to zip his lips and not speak of Russell so the big boy dznt get bashed so much?? Ummmm…….okayyyyyy. Only Raider fan.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
Cliff Branch
That is a piece of Raider propaganda. The Raiders have a sub.500 record over the last 20 years
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/lineups.htm
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Again, I am only looking at the years from 1983 to 2002. No propaganda, just facts. I already admitted that the last six years are horrible…I just have a problem with the earlier statement that the Raiders have been consistently horrible for the last 25 years. It’s just not true.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Dell
Regarding Cables comments, they were vague. He said something about “learning to be the face of an Organization”. Which could mean, more media. He needs more polish for that, though.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
CliffBranch
I provided a link to their Year by year records. Look it up.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Dell,
A lot coaches use the media to to reach a player, maybe Cable is doing that.
I don’t like it, cable can talk to him without the media.IMHO
June 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
KK,
I did….here it is from 1983 to 2002.
2002 11 5 0 1st
2001 10 6 0 1st
2000 12 4 0 1st
1999 8 8 0 3rd
1998 8 8 0 2nd
1997 4 12 0 4th
1996 7 9 0 4th
1995 8 8 0 3rd
1994 9 7 0 3rd
1993 10 6 0 2nd
1992 7 9 0 4th
1991 9 7 0 3rd
1990 12 4 0 1st
1989 8 8 0 3rd
1988 7 9 0 3rd
1987 5 10 0 4th
1986 8 8 0 4th
1985 12 4 0 1st
1984 11 5 0 3rd
Again, this is better than the Patriots over the same span, who were sub-.500 and only three wins behind the Steelers over that same span. Add it up.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Who the hell cares what happened 20 years ago? All I give a sheet about is the NOW! And right now this organization is the laughingstock of the NFL and there is only one reason for it: Al Davis. He is simply too old and has lost too much mental capcity to be an effective leader and decision maker. Thats just the bottom line.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
# Raider Dell Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
KoolKell
It would also help if Cable would be more descriptive with what he expects out of Jamarcus. His comments have fueled this bashing, I’m still waiting for a media reporter to ask specifically what Jamarcus nees to do to be that “guy” in Cables words.
We all know leadership, but what else does he mean when he Cable says words to the effect about his work ethics.
I don’t believe Jamarcus needs to lay out a laundry list of what he is doing, just for Cable to zip his lips.
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Maybe I can shed a little light on that Dell. Cable is Jamarcus’ boss. Honestly, that is not an enviable position when a guy makes 10-20 times what you make and you have to boss, errr, “coach” them. Universally, there are very, very, very few bosses on the planet earth that do not want more out of their subordinates in any organization. How many of the people on this blog have had their bosses come up to them and say, “Hey, don’t come in for a few days, you’ve earned it. Roll in whenever you want.” Even if you are performing well, they want more out of you. That’s the role of the “boss”.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Dude
I’m so glad you jumped in. I saw a few months back Oakglenn take you apart, and just recently.
You are typical negative person whom always looks to the end result to make your mind up. You have no facts on how a statement from Cable can be twisted into so many ways to your way of thought and others on this blog.
Jamarcus is a big boy, I don’t believe his feelings are hurt, but let me ask you a question since you are always asking the questions.
Did it help or hurt Jamarcus to call him out before the press and not give any specifics or explanation to the reason why.
Go for it, let’s see what you got.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Raider O Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
KK,
Al hates the Media.
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I don’t know if he “hates” the media. He certainly has long ears. He’s just a propagandist.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
RaiderO,
If a reporter asks Cable a question about Russell and specifically about what he needs to do to be a good player, is he supposed to lie??
June 10th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
KK,
Great Link. I didn’t know we played the 3-4 from 76- 89.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
There is nothing but overblown hate on Russell. Basically Cable gave constructive criticism about Asomugha as well. Does this mean Asomugha is a loner? No. He is just saying Aso has an area to improve up. Same as Russell. In fact, if you subbed Aso’s name for Russell’s below….the media would have a field day.
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On what Asomugha needs to do to get better:
Coach Cable: “Leadership. Leadership is not defined by how much you make or how good you play on Sunday, but what you do the rest of the week, in the offseason, and how people perceive you in terms of your preparation. For me the next big thing for him is becoming a leader and the way guys look at him as the example.”
June 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
LOL @ Oakglenn taking me apart.
How excactly did Cable “call Russell out”?
June 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Again, this is better than the Patriots over the same span, who were sub-.500 and only three wins behind the Steelers over that same span. Add it up.
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The Patriots won the Super Bowl in 02′ 04′ 05′ add that up.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
SnB,
Does Russell need to be a better leader? Yes or no.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Dude,
No, but he should tell JR and not the reporter. Again IMHO
June 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
What should he say to the reporter when asked?
June 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Dude
I asked you a question so please respond since you had commented on my comment above. #157
Can you or are you just afraid of your comments being debated. I will wait for your comment on my question to you.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
What, we’re supposed to ignore the last 6 years, and harken back 20 yrs? or 30 yrs, when Al Davis was young and limber?
June 10th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Again, this is better than the Patriots over the same span, who were sub-.500 and only three wins behind the Steelers over that same span. Add it up.
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The Patriots won the Super Bowl in 02′ 04′ 05′ add that up.
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Irrelevant to my point….but I don’t disagree. The last six years have been awful and I hope the Raiders are on the right track. I just find it amusing that people want to try and go back beyond that to show that Al Davis is horrible….until 2003, he had a pretty amazing track record. We’ll see if things start to stabilize this year.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Hate is a strong word, maybe I’m being too sensitive today. I’m using words like hate and love a lot!
June 10th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
What, we’re supposed to ignore the last 6 years, and harken back 20 yrs? or 30 yrs, when Al Davis was young and limber?
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No, but when judging Al Davis, I think people need to look at his entire body of work and not make blanket statements that the organization has been horrible forever. Just not true.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
As Gilbert said:
” kiss the rings baby”
lol
June 10th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
He didnt “call him out” you idiot. He basically pointed out the obvious, which by the way is true with all 2nd year QBs, not just Russell. As far as it helping or hurting Russell. I am not real sure, I must have missed the games he has played since the comments were made.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Branch,
Will a day come when Al Davis is not an effective owner anymore?
June 10th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Cliffbranch
The last 6years aside. Before that, they were mediocre at best. Al Davis’ great work ended in 1984. That’s a long time ago.
Again I don’t hate the man Al Davis, just the job he’s doing at GM.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Dude,
Never!
June 10th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
O,
Didnt ask you bud, already knew your answer.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I myself have never seen OakGlenn take anybody apart either. But Im not here 24/7 so there’s a chance I missed him dismantle someone with even less sense than him.
Dude Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
LOL @ Oakglenn taking me apart.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Dude Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
SnB,
Does Russell need to be a better leader? Yes or no.
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My guess would be yes. But I am not there, nor am I a member of the team. What I think happened is that Cable’s initial comments, followed by Russell taking time to be with his family mushroomed into all this uber-negative talk.
Everyone wants to see him bust out and for the Raiders to insert journeyman QB here. That way they can again pile on Al Davis etc….and I am not a big fan of Davis’ personnell decisions btw.
Look at the media coverage now. Russell had struggled in one OTA and the NATIONAL media said Garcia is the man. Yet nothing when Russell comes through with a couple of good performances. Granted…its only OTAs.
The Raiders have been an utter disaster the last 6 yrs….they simply aren’t going to get any positive coverage.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Dude,
Certainly….and perhaps it is here. There just seems to be a lot of Al hatred out there and I, for one, am greatful for all the years I had, which a lot of sports fans never get, to see my team consistently in the mix and competitive, including three championships under their belt (this I credit to Al Davis). All the great icons reach the their time to go (Landry, Shula come to mind)…I’m just not totally sure if that time has come yet, but each year it appears that perhaps it is time for Davis to step back. The last six years have been hard to watch, but I like what I’m seeing thus far from Cable and Co….
June 10th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
I have to go make a sale, later.
You don’t have to wish me luck, I’m really good.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Dud
You’re the idiot because you can’t debate someone without you putting them on the defensive. It’s easy to crush somone’s comments when all you have to do is ask the question and receive the answer back which won’t meet your desired answer at any time.
I see how you play the game and your just a big mouthed jerk who can’t debate unless your always the guy asking the questions, it’s ok, your hate for the Raiders is noted. You must be a miserable dude, just like your name.
Get a life buddy.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Raider O what are you selling, Preparation H to an old folks home?
Get KoolKell some depends when your out and about.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Raider Dell Says
Dud
You’re the idiot
and I agree 100%
I figured that one pretty fast too Dell.
Hell even Ray Charles can see that
June 10th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
SnB,
My point is ALL 2nd year QBs need work on leadership, not just Russell. I guess I just dont see the big media storm you do. Garcia is an established QB and is better than Russell right now. Russell hasnt stepped up yet and its natural for there to be questions as to the Raiders intentions in bringing in Garcia. I agree with most of your thoughts though.
June 10th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Certainly….and perhaps it is here. There just seems to be a lot of Al hatred out there and I, for one, am greatful for all the years I had, which a lot of sports fans never get, to see my team consistently in the mix and competitive, including three championships under their belt (this I credit to Al Davis).
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This why I said the other day, that Tom Flores is not in the Hall of Fame. The Al Davis “persona” sucks all the credit away.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Dell,
So I just kicked your arse and you have NO comeback so you go with that? Well crafted!! LOL
June 10th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Dell, with all due respect. Your boy OakGlenn resorts to name calling when he is getting his clock cleaned in here. It seems thats ok with you. Why the dbl standard ?
Raider Dell Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
You’re the idiot because you can’t debate someone without you putting them on the defensive.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Branch,
Anyone who REALLY wants the Raiders to return to respectibility should have a mzjor problem with Al. History only can go so far.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Dud
You kicked my ass, what a comedian you are.
You never kick anybody’s ass, you are just a pathetic weak Raider Hater with no skills to debate anyone on this blog.
If that was your best ass kicking than you are a very weak man, wow are you such a loser.
The story on the Dud is, ask him the questions and he will have no comments back, due to his lack of smarts.
Later Dud.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Mistabrownnose
who said you could talk to Dell?
June 10th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
I responded to your question. You got rolled up and couldnt comeback, now youve resulted to this. Its ok. Nobody ever comesback.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
666, your mum took my pipe out of her mouth just long enough to tell me to talk to Dell.
What a fkn idiot you are 666.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Dude
Little internet thugs like you are more interested in blog combat, or some sort of self-esteem agendas, than exchanging ideas.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
MistaBrown
I’ll reply to you, due to your hate for OakGlenn.
First of all, did you see the debate a few months back, if yes than there was no name calling on OG part.
Second of all there is no double standard, this guy Dud has tried to take apart SnB, Raider O and others, no matter what they said it was never good enough for the Dud.
The guy just wants to hate the Raiders, no information of any positive comments comes from him about our team.
I would appreciate you keep your fued with OakGlenn to the both of you and leave me out of it.
I tried to defend you yesterday, maybe it was wrong on my part to help.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Dell, before Jerry began registration your boy OakGlenn was in here using dozens of screen names, fighting with trolls, etc etc.
Never a peep from you on that..
June 10th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
666,
Shut the f up! You want to debate me? Bring it.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Man, you guys take yourselves way too serious!
I can here the deal Raider O has got going right now:
“Sorry Mickey, give me my money back and you can keep the caravan”. Where Mickey replies,
“What the fook I want wit a caravan that’s got no fookin’ wheels?”.
Just sayin…
June 10th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Dell,
Still no comeback?? OK. Another one goes down.
I have pretty good convos with SnB and O, so zip it Fool Kell.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
LMAO @ a debate a few months back!!! Geez Dell I may have missed it!
Dell, yesterday I cleaned your “boys” clock so he called me fat, bald, and old. I cant remember ever meeting Oak in person so how would he know? He’s an idiot, he acts like a 12 year old and you’re pretty much the same kinda lil bich, so it seems.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Mistabrown
Where is your proof, that he was using dozen of screen names.
Why should I comment on the many comments from others who are using different screen names, to help out whom.
Did you point them out and did it change the blog any?
June 10th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Mistabrown Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Dell, before Jerry began registration your boy OakGlenn was in here using dozens of screen names, fighting with trolls, etc etc.
Never a peep from you on that..
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He’s right Dell. Never a peep from you!
June 10th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
I will say though Dell, you definitely went out as weak as anyone ever has. Congrats!!
June 10th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Dude
You a tough guy?
June 10th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Foolkel,
Sure. Are you?
June 10th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Umm. I consider myself a Renaissance man.
You seem a bit fragile pyscologically to me.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Is that right? Hmm…. I am just dying for your full analysis………..
June 10th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
I guess 666 & Dell took off runnin.
lol
June 10th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
SnB Defense Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Dude Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
SnB,
Does Russell need to be a better leader? Yes or no.
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My guess would be yes. But I am not there, nor am I a member of the team. What I think happened is that Cable’s initial comments, followed by Russell taking time to be with his family mushroomed into all this uber-negative talk.
Everyone wants to see him bust out and for the Raiders to insert journeyman QB here. That way they can again pile on Al Davis etc….and I am not a big fan of Davis’ personnell decisions btw.
Look at the media coverage now. Russell had struggled in one OTA and the NATIONAL media said Garcia is the man. Yet nothing when Russell comes through with a couple of good performances. Granted…its only OTAs.
The Raiders have been an utter disaster the last 6 yrs….they simply aren’t going to get any positive coverage.
^^^^^^
Because the MEDIA is in the spin business they spin things the way they want to.
If Russell was on the Pats or Steelers….BSPN would drool over him like they drool over Brady and Rothlisberger…..LOL
June 10th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
Tough guy….on an internet blog….requires keyboard fighting skills…you friggin knuckleheads!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Yes. I think you have a lot of anger you can’t do anything with. You’ve lost control of something in your life, your own destiny perhaps? and you’re angry, no?
June 10th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Mistabrownnose Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
666, your mum
Typical 4th grade mentality, seriously like that took some brain power to conjure up. Why don’t you just say I am rubber you are glue because the your momma stuff is so retro.
Dude
You couldn’t debate a mop handle out the hands of Cornell Green if you were the local police….hell you couldn’t even get laid in a monkey who re house with a sack of banana’s, why do I even bother talking to you.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Do you guys have magical powers as well??
HAHAHAHAHA!!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Nah, my life is pretty dope actually. My 10 month old is sleeping on me as we speak and he is as healthy as a horse so, I got no worries. I simply call sheet as it is and most Kool aid drinkers cant take it. Thats all.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
666,
Riveting, just riveting. Pick a topic and I will give you my thoughts the you can tear me up. Lets go….
June 10th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
No, I speak my mind too. But without the hostility. You are very hostile, that connotes anger.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
I laugh most of the time im on here actually. Some of these guys are down right funny.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
dude
The big bang theory
Is the earth 4.5 Billion or 5.4B years old.
Or
How accurate is Carbon dating.
You choose
June 10th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
I was one that was critical of Russell after the reports of the last OTA’s, and while “we” may have been overreacting a bit, as well as the media probably, people are missing the point, the bigger picture.
If the Raiders are going to be good, like really good winning playoff games good, our only shot is for Jamarcus to be really good……..every day. That means Wednesday’s in May, and Monday late-night film sessions in week 15, and every-day in between.
With all that being said, sure nice to hear him lighting it up today. 4 straight TD’s, I’ll take it.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Easy SnB,
The Dinosaurs built the pyramids! Duh!!
June 10th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
MMMMM…. lets stick with Raiders issues. Seriously, name a player i will give you my thoughts and you can detroy me.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Ok Dude you said I could pick a topic now you say pick a player.
O.J Simpson
June 10th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Alrighty then.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Does it have to be a Raider?
Todd Christianson
June 10th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
Yes Vegas you overreacted. A Reactionary. What do you think of the rise in Right-Wing terrorism?
June 10th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
666,
Are you serious? You bark about how stupid I am and how I am a hater and blah, blah, blah. So in response I simply ask you to name a topic, didnt think I had to spell R-A-I-D-E-R-S for you, and you cant even do that. Thats just weak man. All you have to do is name something Raider related and I will give my stupid, hater thoughts. You obviously arent prepared to debate so nevermind. I guess just keep hurling baseless insults.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Good one Kool. How come no where near the media coverage of the crazy muslim guy in Alabama compared to the abortion Dr?
June 10th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Dude
666 is a kool-aid drinkin, so & so. Not intellectually capable of much more than childish name-calling.
Hey 666!
June 10th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Sigh………. OK. Lets play your game. Thanks for proving my point too by the way..
#46- Sure handed prototype tight end. Loved the guy. Was pretty young when he played but was one of my faves. Think hes kind of a clown in the booth but still like him.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
KK,
How do I get into this dang argument?
Getting totally blown off. Which is normally a good thing, mind you.
June 10th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
The Doctor and the Holocaust Museum today.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
SaintKaufman
You’re probably better off without these arguments. They’re forced on me
June 10th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Alright,
I just wanted to sling some mud.
Guess I’ll take your word for it.
Go get ‘em!
June 10th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
Vegas
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf
June 10th, 2009 at 7:11 pm
However, I don’t think we should say we overreacted. If he doesn’t want the criticism, play better and silence the critics.
I know he played great the last few weeks last year, but our whole franchise hinges on his success and leadership. Were all desperate and beat up from the last few years and NEED some good news, not pics of him with a bigger beer belly than some guys in here and reports of him one-hopping guys during the first camp of the year.
Overreacting, possibly, but certainly an understandable mentality given the last few seasons.
Signing off for the night, Raider On!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Later Vegas/Out.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Sold!!
Saint Mcgiver,
I do honest work, but I don’t leave any money on the table. Like I said, I’m really good at sales.
I sell good cars, and I back them up. I buy good, clean, and cheap cars. ( as we say a steal).
June 10th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Playing 4 squares have you, O?
June 10th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Saint,
I don’t know what that means.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
I googled it!! I still don’t know what you mean.
Help your brother, English is not my native language.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Ha! Gotcha.
So long as I know that you know that I know that I’m not getting screwed!!
June 10th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Dude just a show of how smart you are.
# Dude Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
666,
Riveting, just riveting. Pick a topic and I will give you my thoughts the you can tear me up. Lets go….
I pick topics that your little brain couldn’t handle so you then had to back peddle and say lets talk about any Raider.
If you are such a great debater you would not limit yourself to only one topic and one team.
Whats is that the first narrow minded debate that only dim witted Raider fans can participate in. Try reading a book sometime you might learn something.
unkookell the guy is like 70 years old he cant control his bowel movements he reads and writes at a 4th grade level do I really care what he says in here. No one does.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Look,
The customer’s object is to save money, and buy the car he wants.
I sell the car, so I can ask for the money later!! Not show the car, and sell the price!!
But before anything, I sell myself.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Saint,
LMAO,
I don’t sell cars over market value. I keep my prices between retail and trade in value.
By the way, you know what I mean when I said ” I sell myself”!
June 10th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
Hi my name is Dude I can out debate any of you at any topic go ahead and pick one and I will wipe your butt clean like your a baby and I am changing your diaper.
Oh wait a serious topic that actually requires brain cells and intelligence….NO I cant do that!!!
I said Lets debate RAIDERS you stupid idiot cant you read? LMAO at your psychotics.
Now seriously Dude how do you want me to respond to this kind of retardation?
June 10th, 2009 at 7:39 pm
No tricks!! Sell my self!!
I said too much!! lol now you know what I do.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Raider O how much do you charge when you sell yourself?
June 10th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
DOH!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
Not a lot!! I’m hairy, not a lot of customers for that!! So I have to be very cheap to compete. It’s a tough business.
June 10th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Let me put this way:
I’m so hairy, I don’t worry about dropping the soap!! You know!!
June 10th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
OHH!!!
Now that’s just nasty!!!!
June 10th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Have fun with that image 666! lol
June 10th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Now THAT’s the Raider way!!
June 10th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
Saint,
Intimidation with hair!! lol
June 10th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
666,
Are you still here?!
LMAO
June 10th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
666 Is busy drinking, trying to get that image out of his head.
Or he really liked the image, and I don’t want to know what he is doing now.
June 10th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
Lefty12:
You mention in your post that Ryan was a bad DC for 6 years and that we can all agree on that. True, I agree as well. But, what does that say about wrinkled, purple and green face Al Davis. Doesn’t that confirm that Davis has totally lost it and he’s too blame for our lousy defense, among so many other problems. Ya, throw the bum out.
June 10th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
S&B-per post 96-good question?
June 10th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Nice Post Jerry
June 10th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Dude,
A new born, congrats. Is he your only child?
June 10th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
If he is your 1st, then please allow me to share this with you:
1- don’t underestimate their ability and brain power.
2- teach them all you can, and start early. It’s never too early.
3- people will tell you enjoy it they grow fast, that’s very true!!
4- good luck, you will need it.
God bless you and your family.
June 10th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
By all accounts, JaMarcus had his best off-season performance in Wednesday’s OTA and he continues to improve while showing more and more emotion on the field. Meanwhile, Jeff Garcia – who was openly campaigning for his job after one workout – was absent from the Alameda facility for the second time in as many weeks. While the reports are Garcia’s absence was excused, it does not change the fact that Russell has attended every OTA and is growing even without his mentor looking over his broad shoulders.
JaMarcus has been a fixture around the team facility this off-season. After Cable’s comments at the owner’s meetings were again confused with controversy, Russell chose to listen to his coach, ignore the media and instead just show up and continue to work.
Young JaMarcus is growing up before the eyes of Raider Nation. He is rising to the challenge issued by his coach.
Jeff Garcia appears unwilling to embrace his role of mentor in June. Come September, when JaMarcus is calling signals and Jeff is on the sidelines wearing a hat and not a helmet, the roles will be obvious to the world. When Russell has a bad moment, the flames will be rekindled and perhaps Garcia will get a chance to play. Just keep in mind that Garcia is living out his final days and Russell is taking his first steps.
Garcia is not a threat, he’s an insurance policy. What he insures is that JaMarcus Russell will have the starting job by proving it instead of simply being promised it.
June 10th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
I’m of a mind too that their is no option other than Russell. He is the man, he is the franchise and he will succeed because he will be given every opportunity to do so and he has the talent.
Exactly right about Garcia’s end and Russell’s beginning.
This is his team and I’m on board with it.
Lets go Russell!
June 10th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
I wanted us to draft JR over CJ, I thought he was a great talent.
CJ is a great talent too, and he will be a great WR. He is very good now, but JR can be one of the great QBs to ever play the game based on talent alone. I can’t think of a better talent at QB in the last 30 years other than Elway. I’m talking about talent only!!
June 10th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Good night Nation.
June 11th, 2009 at 12:28 am
Vegas Raider, no QB absolutely no QB is great everytime he plays. Your demands are really ridiculous especially for a second year starter.
Maybe if you were a little more realistic you wouldn’t get so frustrated. Common sense should tell you that Russell will have good and bad days at this stage of his career. But your reaction is really consistent with mpost people in here you overreact to everything.
Give this kid a chance and he will reward this organization with many great years of playoffs and YES even SB’s. But he needs to be developed like any other QB at this stage of their careers.
Dakota seems to look for something to criticize instead of undertsanding the kid has started all of ONE year. Leadership cannot be false or fained it muct come from confidence in yourself. He has gain that through reps……….period.
He’ll get better and better the more he plays just like everyone else. The QB position is the toughest position to play in sports and he’s learning the right way. Insight says wise fans will be patient and allow the kid to learn and live up t his great potential which is exactly what I see him doing.
DHB and DMC will accelerate that learning curve with big plays as will JLH, Chaz and ZMiller. And it really bothers me that Raider fans don’t understand this. I’ve always thought that Raider fans were the most astute football fans out there. But this treatment of Russell has changed my thinking greatly. It leaves a lot to be desired in that department.
June 11th, 2009 at 12:43 am
I think if Russell doesn’t improve enough this year we trade for Troy Smith… what do people think?
June 11th, 2009 at 12:46 am
# Mistabrown Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I myself have never seen OakGlenn take anybody apart either. But Im not here 24/7 so there’s a chance I missed him dismantle someone with even less sense than him.
Dude Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
LOL @ Oakglenn taking me apart.
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See, that’s the saddest part of this. With regards to Dud, people four continents away were remarking the next day about the guy got completely dismantled and birds were eating his carcass. Two days ago, missed-a-brain was knocked out on his feet and everyone was laughing. Three people told missed-a-brain he got his ass whipped. Saddest part is that these two morons are too stupid to realize they are out of their class and they are knocked out. Stay out of the fast lane you two morons.
June 11th, 2009 at 12:47 am
# centurionWR87 Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 12:43 am
I think if Russell doesn’t improve enough this year we trade for Troy Smith… what do people think?
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No.
June 11th, 2009 at 12:50 am
I think it’s more of the same looking and hoping for the kid to fail rather than expecting success.
Russell is improving all the time, what else do you want? to win a super bowl by July 20th?
Adios
June 11th, 2009 at 12:50 am
centurionWR87 Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 12:43 am
I think if Russell doesn’t improve enough this year we trade for Troy Smith… what do people think?
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No thank you but Troy Smith is a potentially really GREAT quarterback.
I’ve loved this kid since college.
Flutie was too short to play too. Yeah right…
June 11th, 2009 at 12:50 am
Silver-n-Black666 Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Dude just a show of how smart you are.
# Dude Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
666,
Riveting, just riveting. Pick a topic and I will give you my thoughts the you can tear me up. Lets go….
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Triple 6, don’t waste your time. Dud is too stupid to realize he has been reamed up his ass by half the known world.
June 11th, 2009 at 12:53 am
There are excuses galore for Russell at this point for last years performance. Worst tackles, injured RBs, not legit WRs, 3 Off Coord changes ext ect.
But as Oakland comes on line the next 2 yrs of his career, he’ll have some of those peices in place like our Priest TJ so eloquently said.
We’ve been burned alot lately, but given time and a little more patience, we could have the makings of a truely remarkable offense.
June 11th, 2009 at 12:54 am
Oak if I didn’t know better I’d think these guy’s were joking around but it’s obvious that they’re opinions of Russell are immature at best.
June 11th, 2009 at 12:56 am
hell to the no that is…
June 11th, 2009 at 1:03 am
Priest, the bottom line in all of this is there are some very very stupid idiots on this blog. In fact, it boggles the mind how stupid they are. And not only are they stupid when it comes to the NFL and the Raiders, they are stupid when it comes to the own personal and the world at large around them. In fact, they don’t even know when they are knocked out! Watching pink elephants circling their domes must be a daily occurrence for them. Dud, and missed-a-brain, I am looking your way here. Unbelievable.
June 11th, 2009 at 1:05 am
Truely unbelievable!
June 11th, 2009 at 1:06 am
Nnamdi, that is exactly right. There are very few things that can sink the development of some of our excellent young players right now. Disbelief and ignorance are two things that will sink them quickly.
June 11th, 2009 at 1:07 am
Especially those two jokers…..rare breeds!!
June 11th, 2009 at 4:16 am
What’s up fellas the word is jruss was throwing lasers all day, we will rise up again to the top of the NFL again baby and I don’t wanna be owned by a company or billionaire who could care less I want the maverick I grew up with the real man in black Mr.Davis !
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!
June 11th, 2009 at 4:26 am
DMAC looking great also get him & Bush the rock all year I promise way more Offense way more versatilty and way more than 1 td.
June 11th, 2009 at 4:59 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
June 11th, 2009 at 5:43 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
June 11th, 2009 at 5:55 am
Imagine the possibilities of having Oneal healthy with Lorenzo Neal there?
June 11th, 2009 at 6:01 am
Morning Nation!!!!!!!
WE WILL HAVE A WINNING RECORD THIS YEAR!!!
WE WILL HAVE A PROBOWL O-LINE man!!!
IN FACT WE WILL HAVE 4 PROBOWLERS!!!!!
Lechler
Nnamdi
O-lineman
D-Starter/Special Teamer!!!!!
WE WILL BEAT SANDYEGGO THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!
MMMMMM……I LOVE KOOL-AIDE!!!!!!!!!!
June 11th, 2009 at 6:01 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,CHARLIE FRYE,#5 IN YOUR PROGRAMS GENTLMEN, BEWARE..
June 11th, 2009 at 6:05 am
Good morning Dirt Lot, OAKlifer, 4eva…
Charlie Frye? Hmmm…The Raiders picked him up for a reason….who knows?
June 11th, 2009 at 6:08 am
I havs no idea
June 11th, 2009 at 6:09 am
havE
June 11th, 2009 at 6:16 am
GO AHEAD AND SIGHN VICK, 5 RECIEVER SET, NO WAY 5 Q.B.’S COMMING AT YOU…
June 11th, 2009 at 6:18 am
But then again…Frye could bring out the best in all QB’s…I’m just saying…Vick? I doubt it, but he would be a typical al Davis signing!
June 11th, 2009 at 6:22 am
Charlie Frye? Hmmm…The Raiders picked him up for a reason….who knows?
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Well after the firing of AW and Someones strong opinion on Southwick….Al Davis decided that needing some on to make sure the players were properly hydrated as well as keep all drunkin bums with stolen lap tops off the training facility!!! So whollla!! The best damn clip board guy in the nfl suddenly on our sidelines look for our guys coming in and out of time outs fresher than ever with Frye leadin the Water team!! And Watch out Bobert Ol Charlie boy is on the look out for you!!!!!!!!!THERE IS A METHOD BEHIND UNCLE AL’s MADDNESS!!!!!!!
June 11th, 2009 at 6:28 am
HUh?
June 11th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Frye the motivator! Hey, what ever works!!!
June 11th, 2009 at 6:46 am
LET FRYE AND GARCIA FIGHT 2 THE DEATH ON ONE OF THE PRACTICE FIELD’S. WINNER MAKES THE TEAM,LOOSER BUY’S HIS OWN TICKET HOME..
June 11th, 2009 at 6:47 am
Frye???
I love Futureramma, Bender is My fav tho!!! reminds me of boberts real dad!!!
June 11th, 2009 at 6:47 am
Southwick for Rookie of the Year!!!!!
June 11th, 2009 at 6:49 am
Good read…
http://tfdssports.com/2009/06/10/otas-ekejiuba-raising-the-bar-russells-best-practice-as-pro.html
June 11th, 2009 at 6:52 am
MAYBE NOT QUITE 2 THE DEATH..
June 11th, 2009 at 7:38 am
Lol, I knew you guys wouldn’t let me down! An entire night of people claiming they kicked each other’s asses! Awesome.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:54 am
cliffbranch Says:
June 10th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Again, I am only looking at the years from 1983 to 2002. No propaganda, just facts. I already admitted that the last six years are horrible…I just have a problem with the earlier statement that the Raiders have been consistently horrible for the last 25 years. It’s just not true.
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For the record, I said consistently poor, not consistently horrible (and I didn’t exclude the past 6 season like this guy)…hovering around a .500 winning percentage is consistently poor…this is the Raiders we are talking about, we are supposed to measure success by SB victories, but now apologist fans who want to claim we are like any other football team and just making the playoffs a few times should make us happy, lol.
WRONG. JUST WIN SUPER BOWLS BABY!
But a playoff appearance in 2009 or 2010 would seem like a SB victory at this point, that is how low we have dropped, but it wouldn’t make us a successful team once again. We need to get back on top.
June 11th, 2009 at 7:54 am
Dakota
“HELLS BELLS”
June 11th, 2009 at 8:02 am
Hells Bells indeed.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:05 am
Dakota
My thoughts and prayers were thinking about you last night. I wanted to provide you with a uplifting Thursday morning smile.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:09 am
I might need it if the Lakers lose tonight Dell…thanks. Well, my furniture might needs some prayers anyhow.
Much appreciated.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Dakota
The Magic played their best game a few nights back, and the lakers their worst. Yet the lakers lost only by four.
Kobe doesn’t have to many bad games back to back. They will need one win in Orlando, and will take care of business at home.
Someone tell Bynum it’s ok to show up and have a impact.
Later
June 11th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Where the heck is everyone this morning?
June 11th, 2009 at 8:41 am
I’m getting way too much work done.
June 11th, 2009 at 8:45 am
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June 11th, 2009 at 8:55 am
What do you guys think of the Dems new health care proposal and how they plan on paying for some of it? They want to make your employee health care benefits taxable income. However, they are still going to allow you to get about $11,500 to $13,000 (family plan) in health care benefits before they start taxing you…they think it will generate $400 billion over the next ten years…they need $1.2 to $1.5 trillion to soc1alize our health care system in ten years…
This is a plan once brought up by Bush and McCain, and Obama slammed McCain for suggesting it during the elections…but now that if might further his agenda the Dems are pushing it….
I am more nervous about how they plan on obtaining the remaining $800 billion to $1.1 trillion they still need to implement their social1zation plan…maybe roll back the mortgage payment deductions? Maybe raise capital gains taxes? Maybe reduce the state and local taxes deductions? Maybe steal from people’s 401Ks? maybe pull out of 1raq too early? Maybe scale back the US military?
June 11th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Dakota, you’ve spent too much time with rpublicans, you’re picking up bad habits.
They want to make your employee health care benefits taxable income.-Is just a lie. The rest smacks of Truthiness:
1. truthiness (noun)
1 : “truth that comes from the gut, not books” (Stephen Colbert, Comedy Central’s “The Colbert Report,” October 2005)
2 : “the quality of preferring concepts or facts one wishes to be true, rather than concepts or facts known to be true” (American Dialect Society, January 2006)
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There isn’t a ealth Care plan yet but everyone on your “side” thinks they know what it is.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:16 am
how about making TRADE fair between the U.S and China???
June 11th, 2009 at 9:17 am
You realize we have had for years soc1alized Police force, fire dept. Medicare.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:18 am
RaiderTW Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 9:14 am
Dakota, you’ve spent too much time with rpublicans, you’re picking up bad habits.
They want to make your employee health care benefits taxable income.-Is just a lie.
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A lie?
By Richard Wolf, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — The biggest tax break in America — tax-free health benefits from employers — could be scaled back to pay for President Obama’s overhaul of the nation’s health care system.
Tax-writing committees in Congress are considering a cap on the tax break, so that higher-income employees or those with generous insurance policies would pay taxes on part of their value. Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont., who plans to unveil his health care proposal next week, has said he favors limiting the tax break.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:20 am
could be
considering a cap
favors limiting the tax break
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Truthiness
June 11th, 2009 at 9:21 am
RaiderTW Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 9:17 am
You realize we have had for years soc1alized Police force, fire dept. Medicare.
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Lol, and we can’t afford those either, but now we are going to add health care to the list?
June 11th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Besides when do YOU read that “liberal media” monger ard Wolf?
June 11th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Well before it was a lie, now it is truthiness? Which is it TW?
June 11th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Taxing Health Care is what you guy McCin ran on now you’re against it?
FLIP FLOP!!!
June 11th, 2009 at 9:23 am
facts one wishes to be true, rather than concepts or facts known to be true is a LIE.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:24 am
You are the Jay Cutler of Raiders fans, you only like the Raiders when they win.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:26 am
RaiderTW Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Besides when do YOU read that “liberal media” monger ard Wolf?
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I guess I read him this morning.
TW, just because you limit yourself to liberal spewing media outlets, doesn’t mean that I only review conservative media outlets…I get my news from multiple and diverse sources…I don’t need to just read articles that boost my side of things…only people that watch Keith Olbermann do that.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:30 am
RaiderTW Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Taxing Health Care is what you guy McCin ran on now you’re against it?
FLIP FLOP!!!
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TW, I think you are having your normal knee jerk, paranoid reaction to what I wrote…I never said I was against the taxation plan, lol. Read it again.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:32 am
RaiderTW Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 9:23 am
facts one wishes to be true, rather than concepts or facts known to be true is a LIE.
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I guess you are calling this guy a liar?
Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus, D-Mont.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:33 am
only people that watch Keith Olbermann do that.
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There’s is an absolute statemaent from a narrow mind.
Who says I don’t watch O’Rielly for a laugh? I see what goes on with the other side it’s just a hypocritical trick to use info from the “Other side” when you yourself don’t believe it, isn’t it?
June 11th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Raider Dell Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Dakota
The Magic played their best game a few nights back, and the lakers their worst. Yet the lakers lost only by four.
Kobe doesn’t have to many bad games back to back. They will need one win in Orlando, and will take care of business at home.
Someone tell Bynum it’s ok to show up and have a impact.
Later
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How did the Lakers play their worst game? They shot over 50%….Watch some basketball..thats a great shooting night….Even had phantom calls send Kobe to the line…The Magic defense hasnt been close to they way theyve played all postseason.
Were a missed layup from being up 2-1 in this series.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:38 am
RaiderTW Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 9:33 am
There’s is an absolute statemaent from a narrow mind.
Who says I don’t watch O’Rielly for a laugh? I see what goes on with the other side it’s just a hypocritical trick to use info from the “Other side” when you yourself don’t believe it, isn’t it?
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TW, lol, come on man, because I voted for McCain means I can’t use a liberal media outlet’s words to pose a question? If I had used a fox article you would have thrown a conniption fit too, lol. You Dems have very thin skin.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:42 am
again,fix or adjust the trade imbalance with ch!na.Buy American people
June 11th, 2009 at 9:43 am
I dont mean buy american people either.Thats already happened
June 11th, 2009 at 9:44 am
TW,
Are you still mad because of that time you came in here declaring that Keith Olbermann was winning the news ratings war against Bill O’Reilly and I pointed out that his claim was based only on one tiny fragment of viewership?
What was that fragment again? Homosexual males between the ages of 18 and 40 living in Colorado? Yeah, I think that was it, lol…hey, don’t you live in Colorado and watch Olbermann?
June 11th, 2009 at 9:46 am
4evaRaider Says:
June 11th, 2009 at 9:42 am
again,fix or adjust the trade imbalance with ch!na.Buy American people
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I’d do that, but I shop at Wal-mart…I don’t think they have many american made goods.
June 11th, 2009 at 9:47 am
because I voted for McCain means I can’t use a liberal media outlet’s words to pose a question?
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But your question was posed as fact by Richard Wolf. Even he didn’t pose it as fact.
You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts. You weren’t complaining about taxing health care?
June 11th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Damn good point,as usual Dakota.I didnt think of that and was just there getting a tire-repair kit made in oh never mind =)
June 11th, 2009 at 9:50 am
WHAT OOOOH WHAT ARE WE EVER GONNA DOO!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!!?
June 11th, 2009 at 9:57 am
If the raiders win the superbowl. im going to cry.
June 11th, 2009 at 10:00 am
new post up
June 11th, 2009 at 10:03 am
That MUST be some good sheet Oaklifer =)
June 11th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Dakota, I’m not mad, not THAT thin skinned, I like our discussions. You are right I did assume & “have a normal knee jerk reaction” to what I wrote…I never said I was against the taxation plan.Paranoid? Sorry I called you narrow minded but I’m not paranoid or gay. Altho I should be paranoid after all obama still lets the C!A listen in whenever. Constitutional rights are changing for the worse. I’m at work so I have to do this intermittetly. And my spelling is getting worse.