Ellis signed . . . officially
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, June 16th, 2009 at 8:43 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Now that the Raiders.com has actually put it on their transactions page, we can assume defensive end Greg Ellis is aboard as a free agent.
Actually, it was certain last night when CEO Amy Trask confirmed to Associated Press that Ellis was indeed signed.
Aside from the fact that A.P. got actual confirmation rather than someone from Bay Area News Group East-Bay, this was good news. Trask, to my knowledge, had never gone on record with a player signing before. And given that her record at responding to messages is somewhere approaching 100 percent, this was a good thing.
Alas, my understanding is this was a one-and-done confirmation . . . too bad.
Hopefully, Ellis will be available for interviews Wednesday. I remember him being an impressive, straight-forward veteran when the Cowboys trained at San Jose State a few years back when playing the 49ers and Raiders back-to-back.
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June 16th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Good addition…hopefully he bring the same experience leadership that D-fish brought to the world champion Lakers. Go Fisher, Go Kobe and go Lakers and Raiders, too.
June 16th, 2009 at 8:50 pm
Dakota:
I guess you’re happy about the Lakers. Did you call it in 5 or 6 games?
June 16th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Maybe Garcia will light a fire under “fat-ass, I like to wear 5 sweaters to hide the fat from all the fat-burgers I eat” Russell. Obviously, everyone says Russell has the arm and the potential (ya, that word again) but we need to see it come to actual use, too actual productivity where games are actually won from TD passes or TD drives consisting of passes and runs properly guided by fat-ass, Russell.
June 16th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
If the new DC is what I think he’s going to be this could be the best DEF since returning to Oakland. I cant wait for this!
June 16th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
14th,cuz its my best number,and who cares? Do like the signing,now if a DT could be had,oh YES Raiders!!!!!!!
June 16th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
R we sure we are not going to the 3-4?
June 16th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
SnB Defense Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
JHill,
Like our friends Priesttj said…the coaches obviously believe in the talents of the current front 7.
They say that you can pick your friends
and you can pick your nose 
But you can’t pick your friends nose 
But why would anyone claim buttholeprik 
a friend 
June 16th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
And, McFadden has to produce this year. We can give him the pass over the turf-toe but I hope this isn’t the second coming of Woodson’s-turf-toe era. We took McFadden with our first rounder and we paid him the big bucks. Now, he has to show the productivity…he needs to break a lot of 5 and 10 yard gainers into TD or 20 plus-yard runs. Then Bush can clean up any remaining yardage. Fargus needs to take a backup roll. He can’t be the starter. He’s a nice guy, but nice guys usually finish last. I’m tired of six-years of last. We need a first. Lakers needed seven years to repeat as world champs, maybe we can do it in this seventh year of horror.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
even Romo is being questioned about his conditioning…no professional athlete should be happy with losing because he was not in the best condition possible. They are paid well enough to work at it all year long.
OTA’s, training camp is not the time to start…after your last game is the time to start training for next year. If you don’t, you will be 1 of the 31 losers of the next season, or the next person cut from a losing team. Hear that Sands? Kelly? Russell?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
First and foremost, the coaches need to produce. Is McFadden even going to be on the field? How about Bush? What type of playcalling can we expect to see?
Without question Cable and Marshall have a lot of talent to work with. They need to get the job done.
The lesson to be taken from the Lakers success is Phil Jackson. If this Cable experiment doesn’t work out, Davis needs to open his wallet for the first time and pay a coach 5 million a year. Would anyone really be questioning where the Raiders were headed if Cowher, Dungy, or Gruden (YEAH GRUDEN!) were running this team?
I think not!
June 16th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Guess you haven’t heard about the great shape Sands is in. Back to the size he was two years ago when he earned that big contract.
The Sands hate is so deep in here that it doesn’t even matter that he is in top shape this year. LMAO!
June 16th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Can we put an end to the Lakers posts now? C’mon the series is over. Orlando didnt hardly have a shot and the traditional riots have came & gone.
Go A’s!
June 16th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
the problem with the Defense is there was no “accountablitly”
Rob Ryan would say… “it’s my fault” …but nobody lost their job or got singled out, therefore nothing changed and there was no reason to do anything about it. He is gone, Hopefully, so are all the players that liked that situation.
PERFORM…or get out of the way because there is a million other guys who can and want your “job” or “position”.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Heres a thought…. Why doesnt a guy like Bush actually EARN some PT?? WOW, what a concept!! He bitches and pouts during the week and he should get PT come Sunday? Not how it works. You all WAAAAYYYY over estimate the talent on this team. Winning NFL clubs all have 3 things: Good QB, OL and DL. Raiders have none of those three.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Why do you defend Sands so strongly, are you related?
He is traditionally out of shape, is paid like an elite performer and not earning it. There are many other players who can and would work harder to have what he has been given.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
We need to trade Burgess, Walter, and a draft pick for V Wilfork.
C’mon Al, make it happen!!
June 16th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
I have never singled out Sands or Stu or any of the players on defense for the pitiful performnces. There was so many holes aside from Nnamdi I focused entirely on RR.
Every player including Sands has a clean slate going forward What id REALLY like to see is at home we are DOMINANT!
June 16th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
O,
Burgess would have been gone by now dont you think?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
Raider O,
Why in the h would the Patriots want Andrew Walter? d
June 16th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Not related to Sands, lol.
He was out of shape the year before last, when HIS MOM PASSED AWAY. He gets a pass for that season from me.
Last year, I don’t think he played bad at all. Dline didn’t “wear down” until the 4th qtr, which had more to do with only 3 DTs being on the roster.
The issue should plain and simply be about what’s happening on the field NOW, not in past years. If the guy is in shape and ready to go now, what’s the problem?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
I got 3 day paid days off when my own daughter passed away…don’t tell me that a guy being paid millions gets a year off.
If his mother did or didn’t die and he had a great year…he would hold out for more!
June 16th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
past actions are indicative of future reactions
June 16th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Sorry to hear about your daughter.
I’m sure you weren’t ok 3 day later even though those idiots expected you back at work.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
HIS MOTHER DYING IS A COP OUT. The guy is a bum and the next play he makes will be his first.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
holy crap….i’m on the same side as Dude
June 16th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
First play Dude?
You mean he didn’t make any plays to earn that contract?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
but i did work at a professional level….for a whole lot less than he is paid
June 16th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
he got rich…he got lazy. Lost the “eye of the tiger”
June 16th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
You saying he EARNED that contract?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
# KoolKell Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Oakglenn
Anybody who would compare Mike Vick to John Elway, is the stupid one.
You little name-calling, trolling Pos!
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Actually the fact is Vick’s passer rating, which you seem to hold in such high esteem is going to be very close or higher than Elway’s during each players lst 6 years in the league!! Elway finished only a couple of points higher in career rating than Vick, only because Elway had his rating #’s go up in the last few years of his career when he had a Hall of Famer in Sharpe and other Pro Bowlers around him. Other than that, Vick probably has better QB rating numbers than Elway or at least very close. And BTW, just so you know, Vick modeled his own game and compares himself to Elway. That’s why he wears the #7. What has been proven here, is since you spew crap out of complete ignorance, you are no better than some lame racist or sexist slobs who spews crap out of ignorance. Enuff said.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
most “players” i’ve known go out and win when someone close dies
June 16th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Still answering questions with questions I see …
Did he make any plays in 2006 or not?
Let me help you with that, and answer you 2nd question as well.
41 tackles, 30 solo, 1 sack, 3 passes defended (lol), and a pick … in 2006, yes he did earn his contract!
June 16th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Ohh …
Did I mention he did all this as a backup?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Ben Crenshaw, Brett Favre, among others
June 16th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Oakglenn,
Would you rather have Vick or Elway?
June 16th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
R u guys really trying to take a position on how someone reacts when they lose a parent?
If you handled it better than the next man, is that REALLY something to knock someone over?
You guys are trippin!
But hey, I realize you are entitled to your opinion.
I’m going to let this topic go, you win!
June 16th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
OakGlenn,
For the first time ever I cant ad anything more to make you look more ridiculous. I’m just going to sit back and watch this one.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
My position is this…and I used it in fantasy football leagues a lot…draft defensive players from teams with crappy defense. Somebody has to make the tackle or a play sometime, and who has more chances than a team whose defense is out there for 80 yards a possession
June 16th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
That season is NOT a season worth the money he got.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Vick was a bad passer, but he can run!!
Mista,
Post 18: Not really, they could be still shopping him!! Trying to get the most for him. IMHO
June 16th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
3 million a year?
If you say so Dude!
June 16th, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Dude,
Who is the pats backup QB? They need Walter as a backup. You can’t make every QB a Matt C!!
June 16th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
I do say so. Fact that you defend that POS is makes you a Kool aid drinkn fool.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
JHill,
I guess I am too old to ride the motivational “ups and downs” of guys who aren’t the “best in the business” getting paid millions of dollars to “hopefully” do what the top 120 hockey players in the world, or fewer top basketball players in the world, or best baseball players in the world, until Curt Flood and Andy Messersmith came along and changed everything from doing something that all the rest of us would be more than happy to do as a living for a decent wage.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Did someone compare Vick to Elway??!!
June 16th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Again, if u say so …
I call it like I see it. I tend to leave the National Enquier angles out of it. Simply what are you offering me on the field. The guy is in shape and ready to go as opposed to what you guys say was the problem the last 2 years. Terdell is fat and out of shape this … fat and outta shape that … Cut him this year because he was outta shape last year? That’s ridiculous!
June 16th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Vick is Randall Cunningham without the smarts or arm
June 16th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Raider O,
OK, I will buy that. Seems to me they think Guitierez is their next Cassell though.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Jhill…there is a million Terdell Sands out there, for millions less
June 16th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
I hear you RDT …
I think at the end of the day, we have way more important things to address than the 3rd string DT. I guess that’s what gets me the most. Warren and Kelly start, but Sands get all the blame.
Let it go ….
June 16th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
# Raider O Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Did someone compare Vick to Elway??!!
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# Oakglenn Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Actually the fact is Vick’s passer rating, which you seem to hold in such high esteem is going to be very close or higher than Elway’s during each players lst 6 years in the league!! Elway finished only a couple of points higher in career rating than Vick, only because Elway had his rating #’s go up in the last few years of his career when he had a Hall of Famer in Sharpe and other Pro Bowlers around him. Other than that, Vick probably has better QB rating numbers than Elway or at least very close. And BTW, just so you know, Vick modeled his own game and compares himself to Elway. That’s why he wears the #7. What has been proven here, is since you spew crap out of complete ignorance, you are no better than some lame racist or sexist slobs who spews crap out of ignorance. Enuff said.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
What has he offered on the field? You dont call it like you see it. You call it like you WISH it was.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
A million Terdell Sands?????
C’mon!
Again, can we talk about the starters?
Let’s fix the starters first.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Mr. Vick…you are no John Elway.
And this isn’t Denver either.
June 16th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Mista,
Enuff said!!!
June 16th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
# Raider O Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Did someone compare Vick to Elway??!!
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# Dude Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Oakglenn,
Would you rather have Vick or Elway?
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Once again, you guys completely miss the point. You cannot compare Vicks five year career with Elways 16 year career. That’s not comparable. You have to compare Vicks lst four years in the league with Elways lst four years, and that is very comparable. They were both taken #1 overall, they both did not have a ton of talent around them, they both did fairly well, and statistically they are close. And their games are both very similar: gunslinging guys that ran around and made plays.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Seems to me ,hate saying it ,but Elway is a HOF qb,Vick is NOT! Now being a DOG lover,as long as I live,I will not want him in the NFL,because we should NEVER betray mans BEST FRIEND ,cuz They are LOYAL,and WE as humans have let us ALL down,when we lower all of us to a so called MATCH,my OPINION
June 16th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
I love Kenny Stabler and always will…but if he showed up to training camp now, the way he used to….he wouldn’t make the team.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Are u slow ???
OTAs count as on the field, right? The only updates we have had have been from the OTAs, or Cables mouth.
Wasn’t one of the updates that Sands was in shape?
Let me put it to you this way … Since you just can’t get off the topic of improving our BACKUPS!
Tell me a better THIRD STRING DT than Sands?
Of course you won’t answer the question … I expect another question in return, lol!
June 16th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
what makes a lot of guys HOF’ers is the FACT that they make it for 16 years or more or less and have performance that stands out, not that they did as well as some other HOF’ers short period of time at a similar age or time.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
You defended his salary. He gets paid to be a starter. He is in a 3 man rotation and whoever starts the game is immaterial. You are splitting hairs to make a point.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Oak,
Vick can’t read the D, can’t find the open man a lot, forces throws, but he can run.
Elway can read, finds the open man, buys time with his feet, and can run.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Can we all just get along??!!
June 16th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Dude,
I agree with you again, stop it! Weird!! lol
June 16th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
The guy make 3 million a year, for cryin out loud!
Geeze!
Kelly and Warren make MORE than he does. Warren and Kelly are making starters $, not Sands!
We are talking about the 2009-2010 seasons, aren’t we?
Or are you still whining about what he didn’t do 2 years ago?
June 16th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Sands probably makes more as a 3rd Stringer than a lot of contenders starters…that hurts as a team and prohibits us from drafting a Dline-man in the early rounds.
Not that I thought there was 1 to draft, just responding to the “what does it matter – he isn’t even a starter” position. (out-of-shape-mentally-not-committed-gimme-a-year-off-3rd stringer) (he-he)
June 16th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Dude,
I like it better when we argue, atleast then I know I’m right!!
June 16th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
your really going out on a limb based on a probably …
This is hilarious!
If Sands is as bad as you guys say, WHY HASN”T HE BEEN CUT?!?!?!?!
I’m really trying to understand if this is just the normal fatman bias, or what?
June 16th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
i know what you’re thinking punk…did I fire 5 or 6 shots?
June 16th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Sands got paid a big contract, ” starter money”. Since he got paid, he hasn’t don’t much!! IMHO
June 16th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
So were not supposed to take a guys history into account? Okaaaaaaayyyy. Hell, Stu Schweigert sucked for about 4 years. Bring him back, MAYBE he will get the job done. Anybody got Derik Gibsons number????
June 16th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Why hasn’t S Williams been cut?? Same logic.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
I think all the “Fat Men” are letting down Al’s athletic freaks!
June 16th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Sands is an all star member of Als scholarship program. Thats why he hasnt been cut.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
So if Sands was making 1.5 million instead of 3 million, would we still be talking about this?
June 16th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Jhill,
#68
JR is fat, I still like him!!
LMAO
June 16th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
He would still be a part of the 3 man at DT and would still suck.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
S. Williams was a guy who Al “discovered” and spent a high draft pick on.
Fargas, anpther scholarhip guy so to speak, same case …
Terdell Sands????? FA pickup who had one good year?
You guys are REACHING with this scholarship for Sands talk!!!!!!!!
REEEEEEE-CHING!
June 16th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
personally…I think we suffer more from Tommy Kelly’s and Javon Walker’s contracts.
But, that makes Sand’s contract that more difficult to swallow or absorb.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Jhill,
#75,
Maybe, but he is not making 1.5 mil!! Is he?
June 16th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
If you paid by the pound, then Sand’s contract is probably market-value.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Stu’s problem was missed tackles … If he somehow cures that, and can come up with some picks, I’m all for it.
Gibson was flat out a dummy. If he has raised his football IQ a few notches, then yeah, let’s see what he’s got.
Sands was fat and out of shape, according to you geniuses. Since he’s in shape THIS YEAR, just STILL wondering what the problem is.
Ohhh, he was fat last year. Got it! Just clicked in for me!
June 16th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
I thought S Williams was a 3rd or 4th draft pick. That’s not that high!!
June 16th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Huff’s contract hurts us too. I hope he does well, and I hope for the same from Sands, but past performance indicates it is unlikely.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
He would still be a part of the 3 man at DT and would still suck.
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Is there ANY chance they would be better if we changed it to a 4 man rotation at DT?
June 16th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Sands is not looked at as less than ideal because he is fat….he looks to be less than ideal because he GOT fat and disappeared for a year and what’s to say some other issue that happens to everyone isn’t going to cost another lost year of performance and/or deviation from “football-shape” from him?
June 16th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Jhill,
You can make it a 5 man rotation, but if the DTs are not good, all you will have is a fresh 5 bad man rotation!! lol
June 16th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
RDT,
#84, sad but true.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Sands HAS to play well this year…we haven’t brought anyone in to challenge or replace him. We do have about a dozen DE’s on the roster though and I personally think that is the position that has hurt our run defense more than Kelly/Warren/Sands.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
That was fun gents, good night.
Later Nation.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Huff really disappointed me…I hoped for a lot more from him. Bing was no surprise though.
June 16th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Later O
June 16th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
im out too ..
Peace!
June 16th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
I’m right on everything….anybody disagree?
June 16th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
# Raider O Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Oak,
Vick can’t read the D, can’t find the open man a lot, forces throws, but he can run.
Elway can read, finds the open man, buys time with his feet, and can run.
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O, this is the conventional idea about Vick that everyone who never watched him thinks. A running QB that cannot throw is the easiest player to stop. Load up on the box and dare him to throw. Defenses didn’t do that, because Vick can read defenses and can throw with accuracy. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want Mike Vick here, and Mike Vick made some choices that ruined his own life. He deserves the fate he has gotten and has no one to blame but himself. But anyone who says this guy can’t play Q is sadly mistaken. And that has been proven by some of the top people in the NFL.
June 16th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
If Vick hadn’t ruined his career n one knows what he would be right now. He was one of the most dangerous athletes in the game. As a QB he was not a high percentage passer but he also didn’t have great talent around him. Steve Young for the first 6 years of his career was very erratic and as he grew in the position he got much better due to QB coaches like Paul Hackett and others. Vick needed the same type of training and he didn’t get it.
Randall Cunningham was the same way until Dennis Green got him a QB coach. There is npothing wrong with Vicks game that isn’t salvagable. Elway took until Shanahan to learn to read defenses. He was very subpar as a percentage passer most of his career. Until Shanahan came in with Alex Gibbs and biult a stable running game around him. Then Elway could just hand the ball off and make a play here or there thus winning 2 SB’s. Before that he really was a very average passer but he won just like Vick.
Truth be told Elway struggled from the pocket almost as much as Vick his biggest plays came from outside the pocket. Marino was the quintessential pocket passer very different from Elway. Russell will be one of the top pocket passers if he continues to progress. Thing about Russell that makes him so dangerous is he’s great outside the pocket as well as inside it. Russell’s real only weakness is his inexperience.
June 16th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
I have a sneaking suspicion that DHB is going to be more of a threat than we think. I’m not sure that most understand the physicality of this kid. He is not the typical track star football player that people tend to envision. This kid is very well built and plays the game more like a possession receiver ( physically ). They would run him on end-arounds and this kid ran like a HB. His approach to the game is going to surprise some people.
June 17th, 2009 at 2:56 am
Love the optimism! – Post 4
Mistabrown Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
If the new DC is what I think he’s going to be this could be the best DEF since returning to Oakland. I cant wait
June 17th, 2009 at 3:04 am
Ellis = quality signing! Should be pretty good + i agree we should sign a vet DT…
June 17th, 2009 at 4:25 am
priesttj Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
I have a sneaking suspicion that DHB is going to be more of a threat than we think. I’m not sure that most understand the physicality of this kid. He is not the typical track star football player that people tend to envision. This kid is very well built and plays the game more like a possession receiver ( physically ). They would run him on end-arounds and this kid ran like a HB. His approach to the game is going to surprise some people.
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I think so just a gut feeling but I must say I thought Crabtree would be a good signing as well but that arrogant attitude is a killer. I like DHBs attitude and approach towards the game.
June 17th, 2009 at 4:31 am
for those who think Sands has no value, try again…
he has some value in NFL circles people, not jus here. there is some gin in the kool-aid in this case… n thats why i’m putting him in my trad3e-scenarios following NEs interrest in Burge coupled with their hesitation in paying VWilfork.
plus, i dont see a player thats traded to NE, especially vets like Burge Sands Warren or even TK, not taking any new deals to fit their cap situation for those saying their contracts make them untradable to NE, so… i wonder how R. Brace is doin/did in the OTAs over there
they can keep the LT, all i would want is ViWilf, who sounds like hes tired of playing dummy for the LBs in the 34, just like Ellis….
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Terdell Sands – DL – Raiders
The Giants reportedly contacted the Raiders about the availability of DT Terdell Sands recently, but were turned down.
Sands is playing well and Oakland isn’t in position to move him with Gerard Warren and Derrick Burgess both playing with torn upper-body muscles. If the Giants want to get bigger inside, they should ask Detroit about Shaun Cody.
Oct. 1 – 7:00 p.m. ET
Source: National Football Post
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October 01, 2008
I hear the Giants would love to find another big defensive tackle for their defensive line rotation, and have called the Raiders about the availability of Terrell Sands. The Raiders were not interested in trading Sands.
http://beta1.nationalfootballpost.com/national-football-post-tavern-talk-31.html
June 17th, 2009 at 4:32 am
Priest, you have no foundation to make such a statement. Bey hasnt even played a exhibition game yet! You’re a complete and total meatball! Didnt you say the same things about Arman Shields last year? Do you ever get tired of spewing the same rhetoric for 40 years ?
Good grief I hope Bey turns out to be a stud but CAN WE SEE HIM PLAY FIRST!!!!!!!
# priesttj Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
I have a sneaking suspicion that DHB is going to be more of a threat than we think. I’m not sure that most understand the physicality of this kid. He is not the typical track star football player that people tend to envision. This kid is very well built and plays the game more like a possession receiver ( physically ). They would run him on end-arounds and this kid ran like a HB. His approach to the game is going to surprise some people.
June 17th, 2009 at 4:35 am
I think Sands is the product of loser scheme deployed by Rob Ryan. We will find out soon enough.
The Seahawks came so close to beating the Steelers in the SB under Marshalls defense.
June 17th, 2009 at 5:44 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
June 17th, 2009 at 5:57 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S, HWNDR
June 17th, 2009 at 5:58 am
Good Morning Dirt Lot…
A lot of talk in here last night about Vick vs Elway and Terdell Sands. It looked like it was actually pretty interesting in here last night compared to the typical politics.
June 17th, 2009 at 6:03 am
YEH, WAS ON MOMENTERILY, SOMEONE WAS RIPPING SOMEONE 4 COMPARING VICK 2 ELWAY,WIICH I HAVE TO AGREE WITH I THINK..VICK IS BETTER OPTION QB / RB IMO.. WHAT DO U THINK ?
June 17th, 2009 at 6:08 am
I think that Vick will be the best option qb because of his ability to either run with it, or throw it. Elway ran only when needed to and that was because he was being chased! Howie said one time that he compares Elway to that kid in school that everyone picked on, so he learned to run for his life!
June 17th, 2009 at 6:11 am
What happened to the AM crew? I hope Rockstar is alright. LMN…are you still around?
June 17th, 2009 at 6:13 am
SURE HOPE EVERYTHING IS OK WITH ROCKSTAR. HIS MOTHER IS VERY ILL.I MISS HIS INPUT / INFORMATION. I GUESS I WOULD TAKE VICK ON THE RAIDERS STRICTLY ON ATHLETIC ABILITY..
June 17th, 2009 at 6:17 am
DO NOT KNOW ABOUT L M N, HAVE NOT EVEN SEEN HIS POSTS IN THE EVENING LATELY..4EVA IS AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE..
June 17th, 2009 at 6:17 am
Yup, and that is about it. I laugh at many people that say Vick will be washed up. Maybe, he may have lost a step, but no one can deny the intensity he will bring. He probably won’t have the same impact on the game like he did when he came out, but…
June 17th, 2009 at 6:20 am
LMN went MIA? Well, wherever he may be, hope he is doing well.
I know 4eva will pop in…he always does. I think his daughter moved back in with him (?). I think that is what I read sometime last week…
June 17th, 2009 at 6:27 am
YEH, QUIT A CROWD STARTED TO SHOW UP IN THE AM TO TALK FOOTBALL / SPORT’S THERE 4 AWHILE . PEOPLE HAVE OTHER THINGS TO DO. I DO MISS THE REGULAR’S THOUGH
June 17th, 2009 at 6:39 am
The one good post I have seen on here this morning is that Seattle almost pulled off the SB with Marshall’s Defense. Let us hope that it carries over. I would love to see teams having to use the pass to beat us, and not the run! Greg Ellis, I hope has enough gas left in his tank. He was a force in Dallas.
June 17th, 2009 at 6:48 am
gilbert Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
14th,cuz its my best number,and who cares? Do like the signing,now if a DT could be had,oh YES Raiders!!!!!!!
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WTF?
June 17th, 2009 at 6:51 am
In case this has not been shared….
2008 Scouting Report – Scouts Inc.
Greg Ellis #98 LB
Grade: 75 | Key
Alert: None
Comment: Ellis is 10-year veteran with very good size and adequate speed and quickness. He reacts quickly to the run. He has good size and strength to maintain effective hand use. He has long arms to stack and shed. He will get upright with his pad level, but has good strength and balance to keep his feet. He’s a former defensive end who understands leverage. He can play physical and get off blocks with good timing. He is still quick enough to work his feet and re-gain outside leverage. He is also quick enough to contain and force running backs back inside. He has adequate acceleration in space with good effort to pursue from behind. As a pass rusher, the Cowboys will bring him off the edge from a three-point stance where he has good success recording sacks when his hand is on the ground. He has strength in his upper body to re-work his hands inside then react off of the offensive tackle’s technique. He’s physical with his hands and works to finish. He is also strong with the ability to rip inside-out. He has a variety of pass-rush moves including spins and counters. He does a good job turning speed to power. He will get upright on counter moves, but comes hard inside and has strength into traffic. He has some limitations in coverage due to his lack of burst in space. He will stall changing direction and lack the quickness to break down consistently, when isolated.
June 17th, 2009 at 6:52 am
Huh?
June 17th, 2009 at 6:53 am
Good Morning BSJ
June 17th, 2009 at 6:53 am
I HEAR U , PEOPLE ARE GOING TO RUN ON THE RAIDERS UNTIL THEY PROOVE THEY CAN STOP IT CONSISTANTLY THOUGH I THINK. IF THE OFFENSE CAN PUT POINTS ON THE BOARD, BE AHEAD LATE IN GAMES, WOULD FORCE THE PASS ALSO..
June 17th, 2009 at 7:08 am
GM all. I like Ellis because he is versatile, meaning he is a known quantity on a squad with many young question marks. If Scott shines again and can play the run, Ellis is a base end. If Richardson or Shaughnessy deliver, Ellis is a rush end. If Burgess can’t be traded or becomes a distraction he can be cut. Hell, Ellis can even sub in at SLB on run downs if our LB corps still can’t fill their gaps.
Moreover, Marshall is known for creatively using all his tools and Ellis gives him much more flexibility to do that early in the season. The other kids probably can’t learn it all that fast.
June 17th, 2009 at 7:29 am
guess who is back?
June 17th, 2009 at 7:30 am
I’m gone for a week and I come back to find that the Raiders have signed QB Charlie Frye & DE Greg Ellis.
woohoo !!!
June 17th, 2009 at 7:32 am
good morning Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, BSJ …
no 4eva? no LMN? no NMF?
the AM crew is only half full this mornin’
what gives? nobody likes the Ellis signing?
June 17th, 2009 at 7:36 am
what does this mean for Burgess & Gradkowski?
in other news: Gunheim, Gray, Bryant, Sulak and Richardson all just filed for unemployment (just in case) Scott & Shaughnessy are essentially locks. If D-Burg and Ellis both stick as the “veteran presence” some of these young kids with potential are practice squad bound or left searching for a new NFL team
June 17th, 2009 at 7:39 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 7:32 am
good morning Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, BSJ …
no 4eva? no LMN? no NMF?
the AM crew is only half full this mornin’
what gives? nobody likes the Ellis signing?
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Welcome back. Sorry to hear Bobert Ignatowski had you banned. And I like the Ellis signing! (post above).
LMN hasn’t been around for awhile…
June 17th, 2009 at 7:41 am
Some of the crew could be attending the LAKERS parade?
June 17th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Sorry to hear Bobert Ignatowski had you banned.
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Bobby didn’t have me banned. My mom passed away last Sunday night (06/07) and I flew out and spent 8 days (6 working days) out in California for the funeral and to be with family
June 17th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Sorry to hear that Rockstar. I hope all is well with you and your family.
Yeah, I think that Greg Ellis is a good signing. Hopefully the Raiders D improves!
BSJ…you could be right. Lakers parade is today…
June 17th, 2009 at 7:56 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Sorry to hear Bobert Ignatowski had you banned.
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Bobby didn’t have me banned. My mom passed away last Sunday night (06/07) and I flew out and spent 8 days (6 working days) out in California for the funeral and to be with family
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Wow, tough new RRS. Sorry to hear that…my mom is gone too.
I was only being sarcastic about the ban…I knew he was, as usual, full of sh!t.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:00 am
thanks Hwnrdr …
Lakers parade? why? the Magic beat them 1 out of 5 games. they should be embarrassed!
read all of Jerry’s articles over the time I was away, but none of the comments. Don’t care about Nnamdi’s use of “big words”, just glad to know he showed up for OTA’s and that Mitchell will be here next week after school is out.
Congrats to Garcia on the birth of his baby boy.
Keith Davis is a clown!
June 17th, 2009 at 8:02 am
thanks BSJ …
where is Bobby this morning anyways?
did his janitor/insider friend report the Ellis signing before PFT, Jerry Mac & David White did?
June 17th, 2009 at 8:03 am
got a meeting in 8-10 minutes
June 17th, 2009 at 8:07 am
McRaider5150 Says:
June 16th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
WOW!!!!
Now that is justice.
A man kills a human and gets 30 days, A man kills a dog and gets over 2 years.
Only in America!!
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Vick entered a plea agreement to conspiracy to travel in interstate commerce in aid of unlawful activities and to sponsor a dog in an animal fighting venture, and had other federal charges dropped as part of his plea agreement, which left him facing a maximum 5 years, but there were aggravating circumstances that lead to an upward departure from the normal sentence in a case like his…his victimization and killing of the pit bulls and attempted cover-up were the aggravating circumstances. That is why he spent so much time in prison, he broke federal laws and tried to cover it up.
In Stallworth’s case, he was charged with DUI manslaughter, and faced 15 years. He received 30 days in jail, 2 years of house arrest, a life-time ban of his driver’s license (that could be later reinstated) and 8 additional years of probation. He had mitigating factors on his side, including the fact that the victim ran out in front of him and was not in a crosswalk, and that he stopped after the accident, attempted to render aid, called 911, and cooperated fully with law enforcement. He also was not outrageously drunk with a .126 BAC and was not outrageously speeding, only going 50 in a 40 mph zone. Stallworth wasn’t so drunk that he fell asleep at the wheel and went head on with a car full of kids. The victim contributed greatly to the cause of the accident by running out into the road to try and catch a bus, and it would be very difficult to convince a jury that Stallworth’s low BAC level was the major contributing factor that caused the accident. Stallworth was certainly in the wrong by driving above the legal limit, but the accident was not 100% his fault, unlike the Lenard Little case (90 days in jail) and the Bill Janklow case (100 days in jail). It was a tragic accident that may have occurred even if Stallworth had not had a sip of alcohol all night.
Taking personal responsibility, cooperating with law enforcement instead of attempting a cover-up, and the fact that one was a planned out, organized criminal activity and the other was a tragic accident that may have occurred even if Stallworth had never had a drop to drink are the reasons why Vick got more time. Not to mention with the fact that Vick was dealing with the Feds and Stallworth was dealing with the State. Feds always go for the throat.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:08 am
For the locals, “Chronicle Live” is a show hosted by Greg Papa the voice of the Raiders. Last night Ben Davidson and Tom Keating were on there. Ben Davidson made a comment that about how he and his teammates were successful back in the day of the 11 angry men a famous defense that had tremendous success over a 4 year period.
Papa asked Davidson what were the reason for the success and Davidson answered we were very disciplined we weren’t out trying to get sacks so we could negotiate a better contract for more money. WE played the scheme so as to keep the integrity of the defense sound. As a result we won and were one of the most dominant defenses in the league over a 3-4 year period.
That IMO is the secret to defense in the NFL DISCIPLINE guy’s satying in there gaps not compromising the integrity of the defense. If you watch the Raiders play last year there were too many times when a guy would get out of position and cause a domino effect which allows a runner to hit a hole that’s been vacated by an over zealous defender.
In any scheme the players must stay true to the scheme. When you don’t NO scheme will work. Talent is not and I’ve said this time and time again our problem is not so much talent but the lack of discipline.
Guy’s understanding their role and playing it as well as they can. If the Raiders just do that, they will have a very tough defense.
Post #101 is an opinion I agree with and that’s why the coaches haven’t brought in any DT’s. We are talented at the tackle spot but we need the DE’s and backend to play under control and TACKLE. Our DT’s draw plaenty of doubles but the DE’s and LBers just didn’t make enough consistent plays. If that changes we can become a dominant defense IMO. We showed flashes of it last year it was just not consistent enough to be recognized.
Ellis could bring something that we’ve needed which is IMO confidence. A certain leadership that could be a difference in what we are able to do. We’ll see
On another note my cmments concerning DHB are my opinion based on what I saw of the kids skillset. You can agreee or disagree, no problem. I’m not saying he’s going to set the world on fire, I was just making an observation. DHB is not some track start trying to play football. The kid is IMO of course more than that, and maybe much more. So we’ll see.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:08 am
better head out early.
rather be early than late …
see you guys in a few hours (hopefully sooner!)
June 17th, 2009 at 8:16 am
As for Arman Shields I stand by everything I’ve ever said about the young man. But he has to get on the practice field to prove it.
The thing about this league is it can take great athletes and weed them out, because of the physical demands on them. He may not be healthy I don’t know but when healthy and confident Shields is a very gifted athlete capable of the kind of things you saw from soemof the better players of his class. Will he ever show it, who knows. He has to want it bad enough to get it. The talent is there…….period
June 17th, 2009 at 8:42 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 8:02 am
thanks BSJ …
where is Bobby this morning anyways?
did his janitor/insider friend report the Ellis signing before PFT, Jerry Mac & David White did?
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LOL, Bobert? I had him banned. He has been sporadic, and has made no new claims of insider scoop. Been exposed too often lately I guess. I actually got a live chat question through to jerry which refuted bob’s claim that Burgess was at an earlier OTA.
June 17th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Russell’s real only weakness is his inexperience
And a jelly-doughnut =)
June 17th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Dakota, are you involved in the legal world perhaps?
June 17th, 2009 at 8:57 am
I just read a lot of John Grisham books.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Double R!!!!!!
Whats the haps brother hope you owned them in ur meeting today!!!! Sorry for your family’s loss brother………..silence…………………
Ellis is a good vet body to have around!!!
Boobie bob is getting owned in here when he shows up claiming to be party’n in flordia!!!LOL!! I think he has lost his luster!!!
MILLER TO THE PROBOWL
RUSSELL 59.45% PASSER RATING
MCFADDEN OVER 1500 all PURPOSE YARDS!!!!
CHAZ TO LIGHT IT UP!!!
mmmm…..Kool-aid!!!!
Man work is crazy!!!!!!!”thank-someone for that”
June 17th, 2009 at 9:00 am
priest I’m with you on DHB. I think he can be a good possession guy as well as run away from any coverage if guys like Walker or Roy Green along with the Ravens WR who is a close family friend, have the positive, exelarating influence on DHBs game that i think they will have. in short, I dont think he will be one-dimensional either.
he has wide hips along with the speed and all the other measurements like the toughness to run all those reverses you have mentioned earlier. and ran them hard too
now let him hit to the gym instead of class for a year and gain the required mass/thickness, and with that more confidance, like JLH who made a bunch of plays in his second year, and htis guy could become downright scary…like take a five yard hitch to the house.
so me also thinks he is a football players first, with great character and workhabits at that. we will have a lot of fun with this guy in the future along with Zach, JLH, DMAC, M-Bush, Chazz and Murphy imo.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Oaklifer, I sure hope Russell has a better passer rating than 59.45!!! Were you thinking completion % maybe? Although that number is still a little low to be considered a decent completion %!
June 17th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Look for this guy to have a huge season -
CHAZ SCHILLENS INTERVIEW…
http://www.sports1140.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=3810305
June 17th, 2009 at 9:08 am
God Bless your beautifull MOM Rockstar =)
June 17th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Yeah, sorry to hear about you mom Rockstar.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Priest -
Chronicle Live is a great show…Lots of Raider interviews…
Loved the part about Birdwell knocking out TE’s…Old Skool!
June 17th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Yeah, sorry to hear about YOUR mom Rockstar.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Top of the morning “AM Crew”?
Condolences RRS!
June 17th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Couple of things:
1. The Raiders should have moved Sands to the Giants when they had the chance. Regardless, he is on the hot seat going into training camp. If a Wilfork trade can be arranged….just do it! Burgess, Fargas and a #1. At this point Burgess and Fargas are depth guys who are easily replaced and the #1 pick would put the deal over the top for New England.
2. The offense will be much improved. If they play consistently they will be a 20 to 24 point offense. Russell, Chaz Schilens, Gallery, Henderson, JLH, Miller, DMAC and Bush will be the guys that will lead. DHB and Murphy may or may not contribute much. Right now, I see DHB as a 2 or 3 catch a game guy who might pull down a long haul once every few games. It is going to take time for him to adjust to the NFL game.
3. Defense: Regardless of whether you think the DTs, DEs or LBs are the culprit for the run defense, the bottom line is that precious little was done to change the personnell. So the guys in the front 7 simply have to play better. This is NOT a physical team. If the opponent decides to run at them….they will be successfull. The key for the Raider defense is for the offense to score some points and force the pass. This team cannot be expected to stop the run. The defense is not built that way…its a finesse….Indy Colts type of defense that doesn’t play zone.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:15 am
Dakota …
Are u blogging from your laptop on Figueroa?
June 17th, 2009 at 9:17 am
I think adding a #1 to the gaytriots is a bit generous there,SnB
June 17th, 2009 at 9:17 am
I wish Jhill. Are you officially back on the Gasol bandwagon after the finals?
June 17th, 2009 at 9:18 am
RUSSELL 59.45% PASSER RATING
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I think that is his Body Mass Index…
June 17th, 2009 at 9:21 am
morning all,
yes, condolences Rockstar.
Oaklifer,
your presuppositions for Zach, Russ and DMc are fine (if Dakota is correct in assuming you meant % rather than rating), but is always back to your mantra “O-LINE in ‘09″
Dakota,
if Janklow had run over a Floridian rather than a Minnesotan would his sentence have been 75% reduced?
BHP,
wow, sorry I missed that telecast with Davidson and Keating. Too bad Birdie and Ike couldn’t have been there.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:22 am
SnB,
I just can’t understand that fascination with Sands. He is the 3rd string DT, yet he is talked about more than the starters. He showed in shape this offseason, yet he is still hated upon.
Look, the guy is in shape, so whose to say that he won’t beat out Warren at NT? If the guy plays like he did in 2006, the last time he was in shape by the way, he is the perfect body to put next to Kelly, RIGHT?
But it’s all moot b/c he won’t beat out the 6′4 330lb beast Gerrard Warren. I think someo of you forget how big this guy is when youo keep talking about he’s a 3 tech, or can’t play next to Kelly.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:22 am
4evaRaider Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:17 am
I think adding a #1 to the gaytriots is a bit generous there,SnB
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Not at all. Burgess and Fargas have limited trade value. Burgess might be worth a 3rd or 4th round pick. Fargas, at 29 yrs old, no breakaway speed and limited pass catching ability is maybe worth a 4th or 5th if there was an injury. Vince Wilfork is a pro-bowl caliber NT. Those are very hard to come by. The Raiders couldn’t do any better if they used the pick next year anyway.
Do we really need Taylor Mays?
June 17th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Dakota Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:17 am
I wish Jhill. Are you officially back on the Gasol bandwagon after the finals?
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I thought about reregistering as Pau Schembechler Jackson…
June 17th, 2009 at 9:23 am
SnB you are starting to get a little ove the top with this get Wilfork stuff. If he’s that darn good why don’t the Pat’s want him? It doesn’t add up!!
If he were that dominating how in the world could they give him up for RON BRACE??!! are you kidding me?
Let it go dude? the coaches like what they have………….period wether you or I agree makes no never mind. The coaches have spoken
Let’s see why don’t we trade Russell, DMC and ZMiller for Wilfork? ……………get over it.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:23 am
RRS sorry to hear about your mom bro. thoughts are with you and the ones who knew her…
June 17th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Gasol stepped his game up … I have to admit that!
But I still like a healthy Bynum in the middle instead of Gasol.
But I’ll back off the Gasoft label. He earned that!
June 17th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Odom or Ariza?
June 17th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Posted by ESPN.com’s Tim Graham
DAVIE, Fla. — What’s the best thing about the Miami Dolphins to new center Jake Grove?
Center Jake Grove says he’s looking forward to a fresh start with the Dolphins.
They’re not the Oakland Raiders.
“I’m excited for a fresh start here,” Grove replied when I asked him how much difference there was between the clubs.
Grove then paused and thought before adding, “I would just say the offensive minds that we have here, the coordinator and the coaches and the ability Chad Pennington has to run the offense, that’s what I’m most excited about.”
In Grove’s five seasons with the Raiders, they went through four head coaches and three offensive coordinators.
Quarterbacks? Oh, Grove saw a few of those in his time there. Rich Gannon, Kerry Collins, Marques Tuiasosopo, Aaron Brooks, Kevin Walter, Daunte Culpepper, Josh McCown and JaMarcus Russell all started.
“There’s just so much turnover in Oakland,” Grove said. “The stability that I feel here, I’m real excited about that.”
Grove was Miami’s top offseason acquisition. Football operations boss Bill Parcells and head coach Tony Sparano considered their previous center, Samson Satele, a liability in the run game and not physical enough against 3-4 nose tackles.
Football analyst KC Joyner graded Satele at a pedestrian 79.5 percent success rate on point-of-attack run blocks last year. It was the worst rate of any Dolphins regular. Joyner determined Grove’s success rate was 90.6 percent.
“I like his aggressiveness,” running back Ricky Williams told the Palm Beach Post reporter Edgar Thompson. “He jumps those nose guards. It’s nice because that’s where everything starts.”
The Dolphins loved what they saw of Grove on film. Although he didn’t play against them, AFC West teams played their AFC East counterparts last year. He did well against 3-4 defenses.
The Raiders ran for 153 yards in a victory over the New York Jets. The Raiders were down 21-0 in the first quarter to the New England Patriots but still rushed for 116 yards in a loss.
“I think he is a tough, physical competitor,” Sparano said. “He displays outstanding first-step quickness and the ability to play at the second level very, very well. With centers I think that is an important quality to have, playing at the second level and being able to get their hat on some of these mike linebackers in this league.”
Grove has missed 26 games since he was a second-round draft pick in 2004. Early in his second season he suffered a right knee injury. He underwent surgery, but the knee kept troubling him. He opted for microfracture surgery after starting two games in 2007.
But the Dolphins gave Grove a five-year, $29 million contract. He knows that’s a lot to live up to.
“When I was a younger guy in Oakland,” said Grove, “I always said ‘It doesn’t matter what guys get paid. This guy could be making $100 million. He could be making $200,000. Anybody can make you look bad. Anybody can beat you on any play.’
“It doesn’t matter what people think about you in this league. You have to bring it every single day.”
I asked Grove if it was flattering to be courted by Parcells and Sparano, a couple of grunts who treasure offensive linemen like car aficionados behold Corvettes.
“Funny you should word the use flattery,” Grove deadpanned on a 90-degree Sunday afternoon. “After the first warm-up of the first practice when I was out here in this heat I was, like, ‘Man, this honeymoon is over. It’s time to work.’”
June 17th, 2009 at 9:25 am
V.Wilfolk would be a temporary fix,imo and not worth a #1
June 17th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Your second point about the offense being much improved is dead on …
Just don’t see how a lot of you don’t see how that is going to REALLY help out the defense overall.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:26 am
SnB,
Your 3rd point is wrong, Sir!
We did very little to change the DT’s but there were A LOT of additions to DE and LB!
June 17th, 2009 at 9:27 am
FREE OUR #1 PICK!
June 17th, 2009 at 9:28 am
If I were an offensive coordinator opposing Derrick Burgess I would simply tell my running backs, “See that guy (Burgess)? Just run his direction ’cause he will neither tackle you nor get in your way. You’ll be at the second level before you know it.”
June 17th, 2009 at 9:28 am
JHIll,
I am tired of waiting for some of these “great playahs” to show their promise. Terdell Sands can stay or go for all I care. As part of a rotation the guy might be serviceable if he steps his game up. Problem is, the defense is chock full of serviceable guys. They need another playmaking player on the field. A guy that is knocking on the door of pro-bowl caliber play.
BTW, Sands, Warren and Kelly are each in the top 25% of highest paid DTs…..Warren and Kelly in the top 10%. Do you see any of them playing at the level of a Pat Williams, Albert Haynesworth, Tommy Harris or Sean Rogers? No they don’t. The Raider DTs are very middling average to below average players that rarely make a difference.
You can probably make the same argument for the linebacking corps. Nothing was done there either.
I hope Marshall can put a scheme together that fits this personnel group and get them to play at a higher level. But I am not completely convinced that’s going to happen
June 17th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Wow,
Satele can’t play against a 3-4 and our division all use the 3-4???
June 17th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Hell I watched the Miami game again lately and they ra the ball pretty well. Just dominated the Pat’s with the great VINCE WILFORK. But against us they were just decent nothing out of sorts. We did give up some plays but nothing earth shattering.
They ripped the Pat’s apart. The Pat’s defense with Wilfork wasn’t some tremendous defense it was good not great. So he’s supposed to come here and transform our defense into the ‘85 Bears.
Give me a break!!
June 17th, 2009 at 9:31 am
I am sure it has been discussed but I didnt see it…. Anyone watch the season finale of Joes vs. Pros?
Timmy…. you validated the reason why you didnt see much of the field in season 16 and 17.
Sad to say but he looked like crap.
Gannon looked okay.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Priesttj,
New England is up against the cap. Thanks to the ridiculous contracts paid to guys like Stafford, Sanchez, Ryan, Matt CAssel and yes, even Russell….Tom Brady is going to demand a pretty nice premium wage. They will also have to deal with paying Seymour, Mankins and have to still deal with Moss and Welker’s paychecks.
So they are trying to prioritize their payroll. They drafted Ron Brace in the hopes that he can develop into a good enough player to lessen the sting of losing Wilfork…should that become necessary.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:34 am
jhill Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:24 am
Odom or Ariza?
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Easy….Odom, even though he drives me crazy, he is still way more talented than Ariza. Ariza may be a one-hit wonder like Sasha was last year. Odom has been good his entire career and is only 29. I think we can pick up a defensive SF if we lose Ariza (Artest?), but I don’t think we could replace Odom’s ability to rebound and his interior passing skills when playing PF with Gasol or Bynum at C.
I think if Odom re-signs for $7-8 million we will be able to keep Ariza too. But, Buss can be a cheap bastard sometimes too.
I would love to see Kobe opt-out and then re-sign for less money so the Lakers can re-sign Ariza, Odom and maybe add another piece. That would complete is transformation from team pariah to team player.
Finding a way to drop one of the following contracts would help too: Sasha’s, Walton’s or Morrison’s.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:35 am
67 Raider defense was better than the 85 Bears.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Jake Grove,”…I like the stability here (in Miami).”
entire staff fired a year ago. half the roster turned over a year ago. a retread QB who’s only been there a year. and Jake replacing the former starting center.
I guess stability in this day and age doesn’t mean what it used to.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:36 am
I know D. White’s blog is dark until 7/20/09. I guess that means there’s no Twitter today either.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Dakota Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Oaklifer, I sure hope Russell has a better passer rating than 59.45!!! Were you thinking completion % maybe?
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Maybe…. maybe not only the shadow knows….
LOL @ me yes comp % is more like it!!!!!!
and as always O-line in ‘09…man I thought for sure monroe was the pick when he fell!!! Oh well I LOVE DHB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
M Lonetree,
Your post are well tought out, and intelligent and it shows you like this place and read other people’s opinion and for that Sir I nominate you Blogger of the year on ‘ol Jerry Mac’s Palace of THE NATION…SALUTE brother!
June 17th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Ottocrat,
He picked the wrong week to be MIA…Why couldn’t he wait until next week when OTA’s are over?
June 17th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Holla4,
where is it said that Samson Satele cannot play well against a 3-4? He is more mobile to fit the ZBS than Jake was.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Talk about certain players all you want, but the true issue is Cable and Marshall play calling.
Plain and Simple!
There is no doubting thaat they both have a lot of talent to work with. But will they put the right players on the field, and call the right plays to make our team effective?
I think the one thing that this team needs is a winning coaching staff. I have a feeling Cable MIGHT be the guy, but in case he’s not, Al better open up that checkbook and pay Cowher, Dungy, or Gruden $5 million a year to coach this team.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:39 am
jhill Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:26 am
SnB,
Your 3rd point is wrong, Sir!
We did very little to change the DT’s but there were A LOT of additions to DE and LB!
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JHill,
Shaughnessy was the only addition that might help with the run defense. But its very questionable right now whether he is an upgrade to Jay Richardson. Have to wait for camp.
As for LB they did nothing. Slade Norris, Stryker Sulak and Franz Joseph will be fortunate to get a practice squad position.
Unless there is an out of the box performance in training camp….the front 7 will be the same as last year with Richardson, Scott and Ellis getting time depending on down and distance and Burgess getting his usual start.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Quarterbacks? Oh, Grove saw a few of those in his time there. Rich Gannon, Kerry Collins, Marques Tuiasosopo, Aaron Brooks, Kevin Walter, Daunte Culpepper, Josh McCown and JaMarcus Russell all started.
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Who is Kevin Walter?
June 17th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Lonetree,
Post #64
June 17th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Lonetree,
Sorry, meant post #164
June 17th, 2009 at 9:41 am
15 mill lets you see ALOT of stability lol
June 17th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Oaklifer,
thanks bro
June 17th, 2009 at 9:41 am
SnB are you smoking somethin’? NO ONE and I mean NO ONE gives up great players for some cap consideration.
You are reaching, because your unhappy with what the coaches have decided. Do you think the the Raiders wuld give up ZMiler for cap room?
OK the Pat’s have a rookie in RON BRACE so they’ll move what you say is a dominant DT for a ROOKIE…………..you are losing it……….and you need to stop and understand that the coaches have what they want. There is no way the Pat’s would give up on a great talent for an unknown ROOKIE…………period
June 17th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Lonetree,
Paragraph 10???
June 17th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Totally agree Dakota!
WTF happened to Sasha? My goodness!
O for the finals?
I can’t see them keeping Fluke if they bring back Ariza and Odom. He makes to much $.
I really think they should let Ariza walk and start Odom at the 3.
Look for Shannon Brown next year too.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Maybe…. maybe not only the shadow knows
You too have knowledge of The Shadow???
June 17th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Priesttj,
I don’t think anyone would rate the Raider D-Line in the top 3/4ths of the league. Vince Wilfork would be a nice addition to the D-Line. Anyway, the conversation is moot.
Like you said, the coaches believe the existing talent on the roster and are going to coach them up. I just can’t get too excited about this defense and quite frankly…nothing is going to change that until that Monday Night in September.
As for the offense….I am very excited about their potential
June 17th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Holla4,
I went back to 164 and saw what was written. My error.
hoping ZBS Satele is the man.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:44 am
I havent heard of ANYONE mention THE SHADOW in 25 years Oaklifer
June 17th, 2009 at 9:44 am
Adios guy’s
Sometimes people in here get caught up in their own agendas and think they know more than the people that really know.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:45 am
priesttj Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:41 am
SnB are you smoking somethin’? NO ONE and I mean NO ONE gives up great players for some cap consideration.
You are reaching, because your unhappy with what the coaches have decided. Do you think the the Raiders wuld give up ZMiler for cap room?
OK the Pat’s have a rookie in RON BRACE so they’ll move what you say is a dominant DT for a ROOKIE…………..you are losing it……….and you need to stop and understand that the coaches have what they want. There is no way the Pat’s would give up on a great talent for an unknown ROOKIE…………period
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I didn’t know that Jeff Fisher smoked illegal drugs….
June 17th, 2009 at 9:45 am
THE SHADOW KNOWS
June 17th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Lonetree,
I think its funny how the Raiders got rid of Grove and are happy with Satele and the Fins gave up Satele and are happy with Grove…
Hope Satele works out.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Jake Grove,”…I like the stability here (in Miami).”
entire staff fired a year ago. half the roster turned over a year ago. a retread QB who’s only been there a year. and Jake replacing the former starting center.
I guess stability in this day and age doesn’t mean what it used to.
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LMAO!
Not to mention the team being sold!
June 17th, 2009 at 9:49 am
No, not agendas just discussing a topic. I like the Raiders…but I am not going to just sit here and pretend that things are going to go from worst to first with the wave of a magic wand.
Suggesting that this defense doesn’t need an upgrade in talent at some spots to me is optimistic at its highest levels. But then again a new coach can make a difference. But I am not expecting this defense to improve too much from last year. You have basically the same talent. The pass defense will be much improved with C.J, Aso and Tyvon Branch. Mitchell and Eugene are question marks….
Anyway…..the blog is to discuss all things Raiders. I have BIG concerns about the run defense. Others are unsure about Russell…some are skeptical about Cable….When a team is coming off a 5-11 and has had successive years like that….I think people have a right to constructively discuss various positions on this team.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:49 am
Holla4,
Jakes are a dime a dozen, but there ain’t many Samsons.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Priesttj,
Jake Grove is another example of a salary cap decision. Cable wanted him back for sure…but not at the price he was asking. I am sure that the salary cap math is entering into Belicheck’s decision on Wilfork. Therefore, he is planning ahead by drafting Ron Brace and seeing if he can develop and be ready to go by next season….Thus allowing Wilfork to move on.
It happens all the time. The smart teams just plan for it!
June 17th, 2009 at 9:52 am
priesttj Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:41 am
SnB are you smoking somethin’? NO ONE and I mean NO ONE gives up great players for some cap consideration.
You are reaching, because your unhappy with what the coaches have decided. Do you think the the Raiders wuld give up ZMiler for cap room?
OK the Pat’s have a rookie in RON BRACE so they’ll move what you say is a dominant DT for a ROOKIE…………..you are losing it……….and you need to stop and understand that the coaches have what they want. There is no way the Pat’s would give up on a great talent for an unknown ROOKIE…………period
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Priest, didn’t the coaches “have what they want” at DE too? And then got Ellis? You have to come down from the ledge and admit Wilfork would be a great addition to our team if we could get him. Then the coaches would have MORE of what they want: competition……PERIOD x 2.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Lonetree,
Nice!
June 17th, 2009 at 9:55 am
I hate to say it, but with the pieces that the Pats added to their team they are poised to be better than their 2007 team, maybe not in wins and losses, but they are going to be a better overall team and they will win another SB if the injury bug doesn’t get them.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:56 am
#201 – Good post.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:57 am
I am more disappointed that the Raiders didn’t bring in a lot of competition at the DT, MLB and SLB positions. Everyone is raving about how Jeff Garcia, Khalif Barnes are bringing healthy competition to their respective positions and how the receiving battle will be intense….but there is precious little competition at the positions I mentioned above.
Sands/Warren/Kelly/Morrison/Brown have little meaningful competition. Who’s pushing them?
June 17th, 2009 at 9:57 am
and the gaytriots have a billion draft picks
June 17th, 2009 at 9:59 am
White isnt doing any tweets from the OTA, but Patrick Patterson is
http://twitter.com/RaidersExaminer
1st update – No Nnadni – WTF??
What is going to suck BAD is nothing after tomorrow at best for 6 friggin weeks
Thats when the offseason really is as well as the dog days of summer.
June 17th, 2009 at 9:59 am
In fact that’s a great exercise that I would like someone else to post.
Who’s pushing Sands/Warren/Kelly/Morrison and Brown?
I’ll look forward to the answer
June 17th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Run defense is about 11 guys, not 1 or 2, right?
I think that is why most of us understand how Ryan was ineffective. Be it his playcalling, or personnel decisions, there were just too many instances of fundamental breakdowns from various positions.
Was it Kirk not knowing the plays and not being able to get his guys lined up correctly? If so, why wasn’t he replaced?
Burgess not getting the job done against the run? Why not play someone else on 1st and 2nd down?
4 WRs on the field, and Howard and Morrison both stay on the field?
There were just so many times that we were beaten before the ball was even snapped. Same thing can be said on the other side of the ball. I formation run left on 1st with Fargas, run up the middle on 2nd, look for Miller on 3rd down.
Right or wrong?
It’s on the coaches SnB!
June 17th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Dakota Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:55 am
I hate to say it, but with the pieces that the Pats added to their team they are poised to be better than their 2007 team, maybe not in wins and losses, but they are going to be a better overall team and they will win another SB if the injury bug doesn’t get them.
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Perhaps by midseason, but I expect Brady to have some rust at first. Also, losing an important asst. coach may take its toll. We all remember how bad the defense became after they lost Rob Ryan (LOL, ours not theirs).
June 17th, 2009 at 10:00 am
yep I thought we needed help more at DT,but the organization thought it was our DE’s and so did Jhill,he was the one that knew what they were seeing because he saw it 2.Now we all get 2 see it in Sept.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:01 am
JHill,
Who’s pushing Morrison, Brown, Sands, Kelly, Warren in camp this year?
June 17th, 2009 at 10:01 am
SnB Defense Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 9:59 am
In fact that’s a great exercise that I would like someone else to post.
Who’s pushing Sands/Warren/Kelly/Morrison and Brown?
I’ll look forward to the answer
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Future HOFers Boschetti and Alston.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Defense? Marshall is our only hope.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Raider-405, keep those tweets comin! Thanks!
June 17th, 2009 at 10:03 am
4evaRaider Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 10:00 am
yep I thought we needed help more at DT,but the organization thought it was our DE’s and so did Jhill,he was the one that knew what they were seeing because he saw it 2.Now we all get 2 see it in Sept.
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The Shaughnessy kid is the only one that has the potential to be an every down DE. The rest of the additions were situational pass rushers.
Hopefully Scott bulked up enough to be able to be a 3 down DE.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:04 am
first we bring in a WR that cant catch… on a team desperate for hands… then we bring in what, 9-10 DE’s when we need a DT… we are still 4-3 yes? AL Davis needs to fade away!!
June 17th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Samson played with a torn tendon in his shoulder and naturally should be better this, in only his third, season. thanks Billy Peeee!!!! and good lluck with Grove youll need it.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Florida Pete… yes THAT Florida Pete is here…
right now…
and i just wanna know one thing…
who’s gonna stop the run???
June 17th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Dakota Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Defense? Marshall is our only hope.
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Agreed! That is the reason for optimism. Contrary to what others may think….I like the potential of Marshall to come in and get the defense better. At least his background is mostly in the 4-3…unlike Rob Ryan who is a 34 coach
June 17th, 2009 at 10:06 am
We just slightly disagree on the talent here, SnB.
To answer your ?, I really hope Brown “pushes” Morrison right off the roster, and the bulked up Alston starts at OLB. Brown is much more physical than Morrison, and doesn’t look like he “thinks” as much as he just reacts and flows to the ball.
I hope Sands pushes Warren, now that he is in shape. I hope Joseph and Boschetti push Sands. The fact that we have 5 DTs instead of 3 this year makes all the difference in the world.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Brown and Alston are week…. not starters anywhere but here..
June 17th, 2009 at 10:08 am
The 3-4 OLB will presumably move to 4-3 DE, putting the pressure on Derrick Burgess to fight for his snaps … assuming he’s around by camp.
9:14 AM Jun 15th from web
June 17th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Florida Pete,
why, BJ and Brace are going to stop the run. Check that…Stryker and Slade perhaps?
June 17th, 2009 at 10:10 am
The Shaughnessy kid is the only one that has the potential to be an every down DE. The rest of the additions were situational pass rushers.
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I’m still not convinced we won’t see some 3-4 this year. Morrison and Brown in the middle with Alston and Howard on the outside.
Regardless, last year it was Burgess, Richardson, and Edwards getting most of the run at DE.
This year, it will be Scott, Gunhiem, Ellis, and Shaugnessy. I call that change over for sure at DE.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:11 am
we Raider fans always have to hope the lame ducks A.Davis drafts and brings in work out. it’s always “potential”.. why not just one year bring in the players everyone agrees on? maybe bring in players for positions we actually need!!
June 17th, 2009 at 10:13 am
#215 – Desmond Bryant and Frantz Joseph…
June 17th, 2009 at 10:13 am
of al the DE’s we brought in only Ellis will play or be effective this year.. and we will cut several quality draft pix because we have too many DE’s…
June 17th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Any scout that thinks Grove is dominant against 3-4 nose tackles needs to rewind their tape. That was Newberry they were watching.
Even when healthy Grove usually gets trucked like Adam Treu.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:15 am
our 7 De’s weighing 245lbs dont fit our system… but Al has projects so weeeeeee!!! no stopping the run yeay!!
June 17th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Is Ellis a LDE or a RDE?
June 17th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Saggy Jaw,
2007 draft – Russell, Miller, Higgins, Henderson, Bush, Oneal, Richardson…
Not so bad.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:17 am
and this means we’ll be Starting Richarson or Scott and trading Burgess.. again trading production for another A.D project..
June 17th, 2009 at 10:18 am
Jhill, I unfortunately cant disagree with you more. You must not be a Raider fan if you want to push off a team captain off the roster.
As far as Brown and Aston, they are both in the same boat being undersized LBs and too slow to play safetly.
Love Morrison, but he is an OLB not a MLB.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:20 am
2007 wasn’t sooo bad if Russell doesn’t flop.
and we’re doing our best to screw him up.. new coach new system.. lots of rookies do great under those circumstances…
June 17th, 2009 at 10:20 am
i’ll be keeping an eye on Raji and Brace to see how they do…
i’ll also be watching Jaspar Brinkley…
let’s see if all these guys were worth passing up in favor of Mitchell…
maybe Mitchell will stop the run… but he ain’t gonna do it at the line of scrimmage…
June 17th, 2009 at 10:22 am
and the only reason any 2007 of our pix outside of Miller of JLH start or play much is cause we suck balls..
June 17th, 2009 at 10:24 am
JHIll,
I agree to disagree with you on talent level. But your take on Morrison brings a question to mind. Obviously, they brought in Joseph and are moving Brown to give a look at the MLB. Well, why not draft Jasper Brinkley instead of Slade Norris?
I know its water under the bridge at this point. I think the coaches really like Morrison and he will be starting at MLB with little real competition. Basically two undrafted free agent types and we know that Brown/Joseph don’t have the cover skills that Morrison has.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Uh oh for LMN…
Maersk Considers More Layoffs at Shipyard
Tuesday, June 16, 2009
According to a June 15 report from The Journal of Commerce, A.P. Moller-Maersk is considering an additional 175 layoffs at its Danish shipyard because of a lack of orders.
The Copenhagen-based shipping and energy group also said the loss-making Odense Steel shipyard, which has built the world’s biggest container ships, has agreed to delay the delivery of three ships.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:24 am
If Mitchell starts killing people in the NFL like he did in college, we will all forget about Brace and all the other talented players Al passed up on draft day. It won’t make us a great run-stopping team, but it should help a little…and we can always hope Kelly’s knee is now 100% healed and that he will play up to his potential. And we can always hope that Richardson continues to improve and gets some playing time at LDE to help against the run rather than throwing Burgess out there to get steamrolled by big RTs.
It’s all about hope baby!
Who am I kidding, we are fuked.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:25 am
235, a good draft is when 4-5 players start or contribute right away, help us win.. and dont loose their jobs..
June 17th, 2009 at 10:25 am
405,
Look at your last statement.
You don’t disagree with me at all that Morrison needs to be replaced. I think he was a TC by default in that he was the MLB who called the plays. He won’t be missed. Alston bulking up to the 230 range is a better option at OLB.
Ricky Brown is fast enough to play OLB but not fast enough to play MLB? You might want to rethink that.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:25 am
Florida Pete Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 10:20 am
i’ll be keeping an eye on Raji and Brace to see how they do…
i’ll also be watching Jaspar Brinkley…
let’s see if all these guys were worth passing up in favor of Mitchell…
maybe Mitchell will stop the run… but he ain’t gonna do it at the line of scrimmage…
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Me too
June 17th, 2009 at 10:28 am
I’m back from the meeting & lunch …
Thanks for the words of encouragement & sympathy guys.
You fellas are awesome.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:30 am
hope, hope, hope, hope, Hope, Hope, HOPE, HOPE, HOPE, HOPE, HOPE!!!!!!!!!
i’m tired of HOPING!! i want a good owner!!
I don’t hope for the Lakers!! i just WAIT for them to win it all!!! its about every 4 years on average…
June 17th, 2009 at 10:32 am
i’m beginning to think that we can’t HOPE A.D into a good owner again…
June 17th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Who cares about Raji, Brace or Brinkley?
Only the Packers, Patriots & Vikings will be concerned with thier performance this season.
We should be keeping our eyes on Heyward-Bey, Mitchell & Shaughnessy. If these guys fail to make an immediate impact we could carry guys like Javon Walker, Hiram Eugene and Jay Richardson on next year’s roster too …
June 17th, 2009 at 10:33 am
saggy: hope wins championships
commitment to hope
June 17th, 2009 at 10:33 am
i just dont think i’ll get to see a superbowl victory untill he dies…
June 17th, 2009 at 10:33 am
BoSJack,
good catch on the Maersk lay-offs info. LMN did seem to spend his entire shift at work perusing this blog. Perhaps that has become frowned upon.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:33 am
251 lol..
June 17th, 2009 at 10:35 am
i wish we drafted at least one guy good enough to start… the good teams draft 4-5…
June 17th, 2009 at 10:36 am
but we like to draft hamstrings.. YAYYYYYY!!!!
June 17th, 2009 at 10:39 am
LDE – Trevor Scott
DT – Gerrard Warren
DT – Tommy Kelly
RDE – Derrick Burgess
OLB – Thomas Howard
MLB – Ricky Brown
OLB – Jon Alston
SS – Tyvon Branch
FS – Michael Huff
June 17th, 2009 at 10:40 am
CB – Nnamdi
CB – CJ
June 17th, 2009 at 10:43 am
And I wonder
Still I wonder
Who’ll stop the run
June 17th, 2009 at 10:44 am
I am always happy when we make it through a draft without drafting one-eyed players.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Jhill,
Kirk Morrison will be starting at MLB
Ricky Brown will be at SLB
Hiram Eugene will be at FS…although I hope Mike Mitchell gets the spot.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:46 am
If Mike Mitchell isn’t a starter in 2009 something went horribly wrong.
June 17th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Will someone remind Cable that DMAC was a number 4 overall pick!
June 17th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Dakota Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 10:46 am
If Mike Mitchell isn’t a starter in 2009 something went horribly wrong.
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I have to agree with you. But Mike Mitchell will have to overcome Cable’s fondness for Hiram Eugene. He’s a leader
June 17th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Wheres our tweets?
June 17th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Mike Mitchell has to start year 1?
Why becuase —– would’ve surely started if we drafted him instead?
June 17th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Tyvon Branch backed up Wilson as a SS last year.
Mike Mithcell is a SS as well.
Hmmmmmm!
June 17th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Ok SnB …
If it happened to Gasoft, then maybe it can happen to Morrison too. Maybe Morrison can miraculously toughen up overnight and keep his job.
I just don’t think Morrisons job is safe. Why are they even playing Brown at MLB? Why did they bring in Joseph?
Hmmmm!
June 17th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Florida Pete Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Florida Pete… yes THAT Florida Pete is here…
right now…
and i just wanna know one thing…
who’s gonna stop the run???
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It’s not who’s gonna stop the run, like the guys we have can’t not do that, they absolutly can!
The real question is who has the G@D D@M GUTS to stop the run??? Who has the desire to stop the run?? Who, on the roster, has the PRIDE to NOT be run on??
June 17th, 2009 at 11:00 am
jhill Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Mike Mitchell has to start year 1?
Why becuase —– would’ve surely started if we drafted him instead?
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you needed help with a name???
here ya go…
Brace, Brinkley… and about 30 other players…
we drafted like a team that had won 11 games the year before…
i don’t want Al Davis to be a genius…
i want him to be competent…
June 17th, 2009 at 11:03 am
My draft would have looked like this:
1 – WR Michael Crabtree
2 – DT Ron Brace
3 – SS Rashad Johnson or Chip Vaughn
4 – OT Troy Kropog
4 – OL Jamon Meredith or Duke Robinson
6 – TE Brandon Myers
6 – C Blake Schlueter, C AQ Shipley, DL Clinton McDonald or LB Zack Follett
WOW. sure hope I was wrong!
June 17th, 2009 at 11:03 am
May Missile Mike become the player that causes opponents to have their heads on a swivel and their arms alligator shortened resulting many a heated conversation in offensive huddles about high throws or floaters over the middle.
QB – “Why didn’t you try for that pass?”
WR – “I didn’t want to end up in the morgue.”
TE – “Yeah, next time you throw a pass like that one to me I’m not only not going to go for it, I’m gonna come back here and stomp your sorry a$$.”
June 17th, 2009 at 11:06 am
DirtyRaccoon Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Florida Pete Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Florida Pete… yes THAT Florida Pete is here…
right now…
and i just wanna know one thing…
who’s gonna stop the run???
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It’s not who’s gonna stop the run, like the guys we have can’t not do that, they absolutly can!
The real question is who has the G@D D@M GUTS to stop the run??? Who has the desire to stop the run?? Who, on the roster, has the PRIDE to NOT be run on??
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no amount of toughness or desire on my part is going to help me stop the run…
i simply do not have the talent…
kelly, warren, turdell… maybe they have talent…
and that talent lasts until about midway through the 3rd qtr… depending upon the competence of our offence…
we needed, still need, fresh young legs up front…
so… who’s gonna stop the run…
June 17th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Ron Brace was gone when we picked in the 2nd. And he wouldn’t have started over Warren or Kelly anyway.
Brinkley? They guy every team passed on until the 5th round? We should’ve taken him in the 2nd over Mitchell b/c he would have “moved” Morrison aside?
Ok Pete!
June 17th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Ok, so when Morrison and Howard were both at OLB, many regarded them as soon to be pro bowlers.
Now with Brown, he couldnt start the season at OLB last year where it was obviously a team weakness, and he wasnt even drafted, he was a UFA.
Sorry, but maybe your point has some validity if Morrison ALSO started his career on the practice squad.
Morrison lead the team in tackles the last two years… yeah… sure he should be kicked off the team oh and of course… 52 man roster… he got the captain tag by default.
I like Alson, but again, also a UFA who started on the practice squad.
Think about this for just a moment…. BOTH players were UFAs, started on the practice squad for a team at that time with not a whole lot of talent.
BOTH players would struggle to make an NFL roster in other cities, and are nothing more than special teamers that have worked their a$$es off.
Really, I think you must be a borderline Raider fan at best.
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# jhill Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 10:25 am
405,
Look at your last statement.
You don’t disagree with me at all that Morrison needs to be replaced. I think he was a TC by default in that he was the MLB who called the plays. He won’t be missed. Alston bulking up to the 230 range is a better option at OLB.
Ricky Brown is fast enough to play OLB but not fast enough to play MLB? You might want to rethink that.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Brace was gone because we didn’t want him…
remember… we traded down to avoid him…
June 17th, 2009 at 11:09 am
JHill,
Seems like your dislike for Morrison’s play is akin to my views on the middle of the D-Line….LOL
It is a team game and I am kind at peace with the roster. We just have to hope that Marshall and company can change the orientation from “Back 7″ to “Front 7″.
Like you said, hopefully having 4 DTs as opposed to 3 will improve the play upfront and as a result the play of the linebackers.
Kirk Morrison is about as solid of a lock for this roster as anyone. I believe Cable when he said they moved Brown over to get him experience. The Raiders have no one behind Morrison in case of injury. Franz Joseph might as well be on the Moon as far as his proximity to making the roster.
Ricky Brown will move back to SLB and be able to slide over should Morrison get hurt.
Morisson has experience and more importantly the speed the Raiders covet
June 17th, 2009 at 11:10 am
M Lonetree Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 10:43 am
And I wonder
Still I wonder
Who’ll stop the run
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Heard the haters squaking, How they cheered for more.
Denvers backfield rushed together, Trying to get more yards.Still the rush kept pounding, Falling on my arse.
And I wonder, Still I wonder Who’ll stop the RUN??
Sorry, I thought it would come out better than this..
June 17th, 2009 at 11:11 am
If you cant come to Oakland on D and not crack the starting line up except for corner, then there is a very good chance you arent starting for any other NFL team.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Florida Pete Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 11:09 am
Brace was gone because we didn’t want him…
remember… we traded down to avoid him
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Yeah, that was a let down….then to see New England sweep in there and get him. I guess I was thinking the Raiders might trade up to grab Rey Mauluaga.
The Raiders came into that draft determined to grab 2 players and that was it. They had tunnel vision on day 1.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:13 am
WTF – Darrius Heyward-Bey injured again?!?!
June 17th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Florida Pete,
In that case J Mac has to stop the run!
If the DL can’t do it the O will have to put up points to make um pass.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Raider-405 Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 11:13 am
WTF – Darrius Heyward-Bey injured again?!?!
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I hope he spends the next month getting flexibility back into his body. Clearly he’s not responding well to the running that they are doing in Oakland.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Louis Murphy limping as well….this ain’t college guys
June 17th, 2009 at 11:17 am
DirtyRaccoon,
good Creedence.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Yup 405,
I’m a borderline Raiderfan, or maybe I’m not one at all.
Why are you trying to play the fanhood card?
Have any other tired cliches to throw out there?
Look man, you say that Morrison needs to be replaced at MLB just like I am saying, so what’s the problem?
Why not just replace him like you admit needs to be happend. You realize he is a FA next year, and will want how much $? Again a guy that we both AGREE needs to be replaced.
He played 1 year at OLB before he was moved to MLB. Who besided you Morrison slobbers were saying he was a probowl candidate?
What does UDFA (not UFA) or practice squad have to do with anything? Should we talk to last years Defensive Player Of The Year about that?
June 17th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Another solid draft would have been:
1- OT Eugene Monroe
2- C Max Unger
3- WR Ramses Barden
4- DT Terrance Taylor
4- SS Nic Harris or Chris Clemons
6- DL Will Davis or Myron Pryor
6- LB J.D Folsom or Brad Jones
oh well!
June 17th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Base D:
Ends- Ellis and Shaughnessy
Passing downs:
Ends- Burgess and Scott
Goal Line:
Ends- Richardson and Ellis
June 17th, 2009 at 11:23 am
LOL at trying to project anything draft related after the 2nd round RRS.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Rockstar,
It is what it is. Hopefully Mike Mitchell is the real deal. Heyward-Bey is going to have a tough time cracking the starting lineup. I don’t say that to be negative…but if Chaz Schilens is on a mission and stepping up his game…then he’s a rock solid lock….then Heyward-Bey will have his hands full keeping ahead of JLH, Murphy and yes…Javon Walker.
Louis Murphy was a pretty good receiver down there in Florida.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Overrated:
Huff and Sands(flat out suk,)Morrison, Fargas, Richardson.
Most important:
Henderson, Satele, Miller, SeaBass, Chris Johnson
June 17th, 2009 at 11:30 am
JHill,
Had the Raiders drafted Rey Mauluga or Jasper Brinkley I could see Morrison moving to the SLB spot. But they didn’t do that. Just like they left Warren and Sands largely untouched.
Kirk Morrison is the undisputed starter.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:31 am
DHB will start day 1 with Schillens. JLH will be the slot WR.
DHB will be on the field.
Mitchell might be as well ahead of Branch. That’s going to be an interesting competition.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:34 am
even if Mitchell is the real deal… adn i do hope he is…
we still have a problem…
hoping your offense will put up enough points to disguise the fact that you can’t stop the run past halftime… is football suicide…
it’s pop warner football…
June 17th, 2009 at 11:35 am
DHB should certainly be starting vs the Bolts week 1 because of the salary that accompanies that.
As far as Mitchell, I really wish I see him starting this year, but he is a project and will earn his way via special teams.
When Mitchell cant even make honorable mention at his position at a mid-major conference, there are a lot of bad plays that are made. We all love the highlight reel, but to not be recognized for your play on the field but rather a highlight package and a great workout.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:35 am
I think you said it best SnB …
I feel the same way about Morrison that you guys do about Sands.
A lot of you feel the same way about Morrison, but for some strange reason want to “MOVE” him to a different position, lol!
Can we just “move” Sands to another spot? How about C?
June 17th, 2009 at 11:37 am
how about to the lunch counter???
June 17th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Still rolling out the fat jokes Pete for a guy who was the Biggest Loser on the team?
Dude is in shape for the gazillonth time!
You know what!
Sands is my new favorite player on Defense. I believe in him and he is going to be the guy this year, along with Warren and Kelly.
Our DTs are going to be a stregnth on this team!
June 17th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Dakota,
Did U see Simmons’ article on Kobe “changing”?
What did you think?
June 17th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Vegas Raider
I think I saw a post a few topics ago where you had mentioned being a patriot and only buying American vehicles.
I used to work for a Lincoln Mercury dealership and if you are interested in purchasing used I would highly recommend a V8 Lincoln LS, 2003 or newer. If it needs to be a new vehicle then maybe an Lincoln MKS.
June 17th, 2009 at 11:55 am
LOL @ the championship Leborn and Kobe puppet commercial.
LMFAO!
June 17th, 2009 at 11:55 am
I want to move Morrison him back to OLB where he can take advantage of his speed.
Did you think he and Howard were overrated when they both manned the OLB positions?
June 17th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Patterson’s Twitter coverage was awful!
June 17th, 2009 at 11:58 am
jhill Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Still rolling out the fat jokes Pete for a guy who was the Biggest Loser on the team?
Dude is in shape for the gazillonth time!
You know what!
Sands is my new favorite player on Defense. I believe in him and he is going to be the guy this year, along with Warren and Kelly.
Our DTs are going to be a stregnth on this team!
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Whoa….One step at a time my man. One step at a time
June 17th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Ellis: Another decent talent who’ll be wasted in Al Davis’s prehistoric, ineffective defensive scheme.
June 17th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
You’re making too big of a deal about the move Morrison off the roster comment, 405.
I wouldn’t have a “problem” with Morrison playing OLB.
But, I don’t recall Morrison playing OLB with Howard. In fact I’m sure that never happened. Morrison played OLB his rookie year, then moved inside when we pushed Biekert and Clark aside.
June 17th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Johnnie Lee Higgins is not going to go quietly into the night. Neither is Javon Walker. Those two players want to start. There are a couple of things to keep in mind with JLH.
1. He played very well down the stretch
2. Now going into his 3rd yr…with JaMarcus Russell
3. Has Raider speed
4. Improving his route running
June 17th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Watching footage of the Laker rally at the LA coliseum on ESPN. There’s a girl holding a sign saying, “Thank you, Fisher!”. Perhaps the first (and only) smart Laker fan I’ve ever seen. And she’s about 12.
June 17th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
I’ll be happy if:
1) the receivers dont drop passes a’la Alvis Whitted, Ronald Curry, Courtney Anderson, Randy Moss style…
2) The O lineman arent getting penalized every other play.
3) We get at least 3 sacks per game- at least
4) end up > +7 giveaway takeaway
5) SeaBass has breakout probowl type year.
Everything else would be gravy.
June 17th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
you guys are assuming that Mike Mitchell will be a good or great strong safety. If not this year, then next … I understand the hype after Cable called him the next Jack Tatum or Ronnie Lott
However, let’s be realistic for just a second. None of us have seen what the defensive front seven looks like under Marshall, Board & Haluchek. If this group doesn’t improve (no matter who starts there) the safeties will continue to get abused on a regular basis in the running game
You don’t get a 31st ranked run defense due to the play of one SS … plus Branch & Mitchell are both known for their hitting – not their coverage skills. Let’s hope these guys aren’t anything similar to Roy Williams (Dallas) or Derrick Gibson. Gibril Wilson got abused in the passing game last year too
June 17th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
J.Alston was not an undrafted FA.he was drafted in the 3rd rd by the SL Lambs.
“DHB should certainly be starting…based on the salary he will be making”.how long have you been following the Raiders?with very few exceptions,rookies don’t start for the Raiders at the beginning of the year,regardless of their salary.
June 17th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
# Raider-405 Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 11:55 am
I want to move Morrison him back to OLB where he can take advantage of his speed.
Did you think he and Howard were overrated when they both manned the OLB positions?
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Get it out of your mind to do that. Morrison is not fast enough to play outside. He played there early in his career, and they had to move him inside because they had to. No way now that you can move him back outside. Here, let me elaborate: Remember the lst game of the last season, the Monday Nite Denver game where early in the game Cun tler hit their TE down the seam for about 50 yards with Morrison trailing by about 5 yards??? And that was a slow TE. Imagine him trying to cover Steve Slaton. Ain’t gonna happen.
June 17th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Someone posted on here a while back about JLH having the potential to become another Steve Smith type receiver.
Look, this guy (JLH) gets open. He made some good catches and when he gets a little separation, actually does something with it.
Don’t count out JLH as the #2
June 17th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
MR says
“Al Davis’s prehistoric, ineffective defensive scheme.”
Come on man we were 31st against the run last year we are better than one team!!
There is no where to go but up from here!!
June 17th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
LOL SnB …
I’m going ALL IN with our current DTs. Kelly is in shape and 100%. Sands is in shape. Warren is healthy, and they have 2 extra bodies to give them a blow during the games.
New coaching staff.
Better supporting cast at DE.
More points scored on offense.
Yup, I’m all in with our DTs stepping up and making it happen!
June 17th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
btw,RR,sorry for your loss.
June 17th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
new post
June 17th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
M Lonetree,
I see the bad moon arising.
I see trouble on the way.
I see the Bolts and thier lights out dancin.
I see bad times opening day!!
June 17th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
I am so sick of reading about the Lakers in this blog come on isn’t there some kind of 1-800-gay support line for you people.
June 17th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
# jhill Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Patterson’s Twitter coverage was awful!
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haha, i 100% agree. Come on, you go and make a page, onsite there to watch the action and thats all you got to delivery. WTF!!
June 17th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
this is Morrison’s year to show he is an effective MLB.i heard him interviewed at the end of last season and he mentioned he was finally really”getting it”.he said he was finally at the point where he could just let it go instead of having to think too much every play.said he had finally really learned the Def. and making the calls was a lot easier.what he said made sense-let’s hope it translates into his play.
June 17th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
M Lonetree,
I see the bad moon arising.
I see trouble on the way.
I see the Bolts and thier lights out dancin.
I see bad times opening day!!
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I dont unless Langston Walker, Tyler Brayton, and Michael Huff get any playing time.
June 17th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
The tone to the year will be set by 2 players on opening night: Mario Henderson v. Merriman and Sampson Satele v. Jamal Williams
June 17th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
–You don’t get a 31st ranked run defense due to the play of one SS –
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No, however if that SS keeps missing tackles to prevent first downs like Huff has made a habit of doing and you pair that up with an awful offense that cant stay on the field….31 it is.
June 17th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
# Al DAVIS HAS COJONES Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
–You don’t get a 31st ranked run defense due to the play of one SS –
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No, however if that SS keeps missing tackles to prevent first downs like Huff has made a habit of doing and you pair that up with an awful offense that cant stay on the field….31 it is.
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Simple… if you are in a situation where your SS or FS are the last line of D for a free running RB the issues are much deeper than safety run support
June 17th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Raider-405 Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
# Al DAVIS HAS COJONES Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 17th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
–You don’t get a 31st ranked run defense due to the play of one SS –
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No, however if that SS keeps missing tackles to prevent first downs like Huff has made a habit of doing and you pair that up with an awful offense that cant stay on the field….31 it is.
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Simple… if you are in a situation where your SS or FS are the last line of D for a free running RB the issues are much deeper than safety run support
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Lets be real, it doesnt happen on every play. Otherwise, Wilson would of had 500 tackles last year.
June 17th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Weak ass DE play…
Weak ass LB play…
Weak ass safety play…
Aside from Namdi, weak ass DB play…
Have all contributed to the poor run D and overall SUKASS D this team plays- just as bad as the DT’s.
June 17th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
no one we drafted this year will start. unless injuries mount up or we are out of the playoffs by week 5 again… worst draft by aby team..
June 17th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
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