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Raiders live chat with Jerry McDonald on Thursday

Jerry McDonald will be on hand here on Thursday, June 18 from 1 p.m.-2 p.m. PDT for our weekly Raiders live chat. Jerry will have the latest news and insight from the OTA in Alameda, so get your questions ready.

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  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    KoolKell Says:
    June 16th, 2009 at 5:22 pm

    Even taking into account all the negativity that surrounds him, the most important reason not to sign Michael Vick is that he won’t improve the Raiders on the field. He doesn’t represent a significant upgrade at quarterback,
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    I don’t know if I would agree with that. Michael Vick is actually a marvelous player. He basically carried his entire VA Tech team to the National Championship Game (as a sophmore), has earned more than one pro bowl berth, beat Favre and Green Bay in Lambeau in a playoff game for the first time ever, and had one of the lowest INT ratios in the league, not to mention carrying his team to one game shy of the Super Bowl. The issue with Mike is he is not a Q in the Manning/Brady vein. He is more in the Elway/Favre gunslinger vein where he is going to throw the playbook out the window and try to make things happen. Most Head Coaches cannot deal with that. And then there is the very distinct possibility that he has learned NOTHING while sitting in a prison cell for two years. THAT, would be a problem.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Michael Vick is a career 75 passer rating. Completes 53% of his passes. And, is a psycopath.

  • DKnight007

    Can um…someone wake the old man up get in the old stubborn mans and Amy Trasks ears, so they can either partner up with the Niners for that staduim in santa clara, or GET GOING ON THE PLANNING AND BUILDING OF THEIR OWN STADIUM??

    Dammit!

    http://www.insidebayarea.com/localnews/ci_12597472

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Michael Vick has 71 Passing TD” and 53 Interceptions, hardly the lowest ratio in the league.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # KoolKell Says:
    June 16th, 2009 at 5:52 pm

    Michael Vick has 71 Passing TD” and 53 Interceptions, hardly the lowest ratio in the league.
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    What I said was Mike had one of the lowest INT ratios in the league. Not his TD to INT ratio. It’s a different stat. One season his Int ratio was 1.90%, where he threw almost 200 straight passes without a pick. That ain’t bad.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Yeah, and in that year, 2002, his passer rating was 81.

  • SnB Defense

    DKnight007,

    Unless the Raiders want to share that stadium with the 49ers…they will have to wait until the economy improves or move to Los Angeles.

    Oakland is not a prosperous enough city to be able to provide any meaningful support for a new stadium. The state of California is a mess.

    The Raiders best bet would be to initiate a renovation of its current stadium at a fraction of the cost. Don’t get all the bells and whistles but can implement some improvements that can enhance revenues.

  • SnB Defense

    Raiders might be better off sticking with its current digs.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/partone/081121

  • DKnight007

    If Vick plays in the NFL this year and does Stallworth, then Good for nothing Goodell would officially be a JOKE!

    Vick can play in that new UFL….but not in the NFL…..

  • 504 Raider

    Gotta chime in on this Vick talk. Mike Vick is the best “Wildcat” QB in the history of the formation and he never ran the play. Think about it. There is no QB that can throw better than Vick and he is very elusive. He’s more elusive than DMac and DMac is my guy. If Houston Nutt had Vick at Arkansas, The NCAA would have it’s 1 and only 2,000 yd passer and runner for a single season.

  • SnB Defense

    The Raiders are better off implementing its current offense and leave these so-called Wild-Cat QBs alone.

    With the Wildcat you are looking at maybe 3 to 5 plays a game. Bush and McFadden are just fine with that.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # KoolKell Says:
    June 16th, 2009 at 6:07 pm

    Yeah, and in that year, 2002, his passer rating was 81.
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    Funny how guys that know the game somehow by passed those stats and voted Mike Vick to the Pro Bowl. Twice. Some of you guys rattle off stats, and there is a lot more to life than just rattling off statistics. John Elway had pretty mediocre stats, in fact his lst year in the league, I think his QB rating was slightly over 50. No, not his completion percentage, his rating!! His completion % was in the forties. He ended up doing OK in the league.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Stats are quantifiable, BS is not.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Vick never made a pro-bowl based on his passing skills

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    Actually stats in certain sports are more useful than others. Baseball is an excellent sport for stats, because the matchups for the most part are one on one, can be extrapolated and have the tendency to smooth out over a large sample, say 500 at bats. If a batter is up, and the runner at lst gets picked off, the batter will still get his at bat. In football, if the LT completely misses his block, and the Q rolls to his right and throws the ball away, the stat shows the Q sucks even tho the Q did the right thing. And if the LT continues to play poorly, statistically, the Q blows. Not quite the same is it?

  • DarthPirate

    I would love to have Wilfork come here. He’s got more football left in him than Burgess does, and would provide valuable bulk along the D line.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # KoolKell Says:
    June 16th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Vick never made a pro-bowl based on his passing skills
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    Of course he did. Don’t be stupid.

  • Mistabrown

    You’re right he made it with his legs. Common knowledge!

    # KoolKell Says:
    June 16th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Vick never made a pro-bowl based on his passing skills

  • SnB Defense

    DarthPirate Says:
    June 16th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
    I would love to have Wilfork come here. He’s got more football left in him than Burgess does, and would provide valuable bulk along the D line.
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    Wilfork in Oakland could be the missing piece to the defensive puzzle. With Wilfork, the Raiders would have a bonnafide run stuffer up the middle and a guy that could clog lanes and let the Linebackers go to work. The current guys (Warren, Sands, Boschetti) are rotation type players. Warren is out of position all together.

    Trade won’t happen though. First, New England won’t part with Wilfork this year. They will let him play this year and phase Ron Brace in.

    Quite frankly, great NT run stuffers are hard to come by and the Raiders don’t value the position. The Raiders place a premium on speed and pass rushing. The Raiders are built more in the image of the Indy Colts and less like the New York Giants or Philly Eagles.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Of course he did not.

    He’s only had 2 seasons were his passer rating was higher than JaMarcus’s rookie year of 77.

    He’s a career 75 passer.

    If he weren’t a Running QB, he would have never had a NFL career.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Well, I’ll let you 2 Lovers carry on from here. ;-)

  • SnB Defense

    Sorry, another D-Line rant below:

    The best Oakland can hope for is a pedestrian run defense and an elite pass defense.

    Warren/Kelly/Sands are each in the top 25% of highest paid DTs. Yet their performance is so middling. I have never seen a collection of players receiver the benefit of the doubt.

    They have to step it up. The schedule has a plethora of run 1st offenses that will run it right up the Raiders collective gut until they demonstrate an ability to slow the run down. They gave up 160 yards on the ground EACH GAME!

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # Mistabrown Says:
    June 16th, 2009 at 6:44 pm

    You’re right he made it with his legs. Common knowledge!

    # KoolKell Says:
    June 16th, 2009 at 6:34 pm

    Vick never made a pro-bowl based on his passing skills
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    Unbelievable. Some of you guys are so stupid it’s comical. Yeah, and that was why Mike Vick was drafted #1 overall, traded for, made two pro bowls, and had his contract extended and given $100mm. Because he was a Q that couldn’t throw the ball. Sure. Whatever you guys say. You know, I’ve seen Mike Vick play with my own eyes, maybe 30 times. How many times have you guys watched him play live?? Answer me that. I gotta go.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # KoolKell Says:
    June 16th, 2009 at 6:45 pm

    Of course he did not.

    He’s only had 2 seasons were his passer rating was higher than JaMarcus’s rookie year of 77.

    He’s a career 75 passer.

    If he weren’t a Running QB, he would have never had a NFL career.
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    I just told you, Elways career passer rating is about the same. He went to five Super Bowls. He’s in the HOF.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Oakglenn

    Anybody who would compare Mike Vick to John Elway, is the stupid one.

    You little name-calling, trolling Pos!

  • SnB Defense

    Guys,

    The Raiders don’t need Michael Vick. Please…Vick is a quarterback that has been away for a couple of years. The Raiders need to work on the doggone D-Line before worrying about a backup QB

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    D-Line…….what I said earlier is still apprapo. Mr Davis has to much money & pride tied up there to make any comfortable changes. He’s got to roll the dice with Tommy Kelly.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    too much money tied up there.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    The only reason Mike Vick didn’t throw as many picks, or his “ratio” was a little above-average, because he was throwing fastballs low and away where nobody could catch them. Keep Mike Vick in the pocket, and he is awful, and I doubt a year in the pokey helped his pocket presence or his running ability.

    I’m still calling him starting in the UFL this year. Hopefully out here in Vegas with Jim Fassell.

  • SnB Defense

    KoolKell,

    I am fine with Kelly sitting at the 3-tech. But Warren and Sands have not showed me much at all. Warren should be backing up Kelly and Sands is an underperformer.

    A great NT would do wonders for Kelly and Morrison’s careers!

    Oh Well…Draft another speedy tweener for the outside

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Vick gets WAY too much credit for the Falcons win in the playoffs in Lambeau that one year. The packers gift-wrapped that game for them, I know they blocked one punt for a TD and got another huge special teams play I think, and Favre had multiple turnovers. I think Jamarcus Russell would have just as easily won that game. The Packers didn’t show up.

  • SnB Defense

    Vegas Raider,

    Michael Vick does deserve credit for every win that team got with him at QB. He wasn’t the prolific passer but he did win games with his feet and legs. The Falcons were a legit team while he was the QB. If that dog fighting hadn’t occurred, he probably still has the Falcons in the 7-9 to 11-5 range. That’s more than can be said for several QBs in the league.

    Now the Raiders don’t need him…I agree with that….I also don’t like Vick’s inability to put his team ahead of himself…but let’s not paint this guy as some second coming of David Carr or Joey Harrington.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Yeah, the last time the Raiders had a winning record Sam Adams was NT.

    But they got gashed with Ted Washington in there too.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    With so many DE’s signed on right now, Burgess, Ellis, Scott, Stryker, Gunheim and even Norris, you gotta think Richardson might want to put on some weight to maybe pitch in a little at DT. His roster spot should not be safe. Especially if they don’t trade Burgess.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    SnB,

    He had his moments certainly running the ball, but he was mostly inconsistent an below-average as a passer. He was way overrate, IMO, is my point. The Falcons are in a much better situation without him and with Ryan at QB to win more games. Maybe not in jersey sales though.

  • jhill

    Mike Vick and DLine, huh?

    Good topics!

    The fact that we signed ANOTHER LB who could very well start still isn’t cluing you guys in as to what the COMPLETELY NEW defensive staff sees as THE weakness on this team? Forget what a lot of us have been saying, look at what Marshall and Cable are doing. LB after LB, S after S …. but NO DTs????? Hmmmmm!

    I’ll take Vick as a 3rd string QB over Gradkowski. Give him a year to get back in the swing of things, and let him move into the backup/wildcat role next year.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    If Cadillac Williams hadn’t gone down, maybe we don’t win that game.

  • SnB Defense

    Vegas Raider,

    Vick wasn’t the prolific passer, but some of that had to do with not having a real good receiving corps. Roddy White was raw and Algae Crumpler was the only legit target. If I remember, they were cycling through receivers that would drop balls and get no separation. Kind of like the Raider situation for about 12 games last year.

    All I am saying is that he won some games for them. He also had Greg Knapp as an OC…not exactly an exciting game planner.

    But enough about Vick….the Raiders DON’T NEED HIM!

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    I noticed they did play Richardson inside some against Tampa.

  • jhill

    Our LBs are soft as butter, starting with Captian Kirk!

    I, for one, hope that Ricky Brown beats him out at MLB, and we are able to trade him before he becomes a FA and we end up paying him $ he doesn’t deserve.

    Ricky Brown is the most physical LB we have, and that’s what we need in the middle!

  • jhill

    If Cadillac Williams hadn’t gone down, maybe we don’t win that game.

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    We lose that game going away if Cadillac doesn’t get hurt.

  • SnB Defense

    JHill,

    Good to hear from you. I gotta say that my two feet are firmly planted in the “Show Me” first stage when it comes to run defense. No amount of rhetoric is going to overcome my skepticism given the lack of moves I wanted see. I like Marshall and Board and I like their backgrounds. But the rhetoric is similiar to last year….fundamentals blah, blah, blah, better tackling, blah, blah, blah improved discipline. Like I said…I gotta see it to believe it. Especially with that murderous run 1st schedule they will be seeing this year.

    That being said I really like the offense this year! Russell, DMAC, Bush, Schilens, JLH and Miller should provide some excitement. If DHB and Murphy can contribute all the better.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    But enough about Vick….the Raiders DON’T NEED HIM!

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    Amen

  • SnB Defense

    JHill,

    Like our friends Priesttj said…the coaches obviously believe in the talents of the current front 7.

    But I’ll tell you what…we sure did pass up on some talent boy! Raji, Mauluga, Matthews Jr, Cushing, Laurenitis, Brace, Brinkley and a slew of other DT and LB talent.

    So let’s just trust in Marshall and hope Davis let’s him be creative to squeeze enough finesse from this speedy undersized defense.

  • jhill

    Wassup SnB,

    Been blessed to be super busy lately, plus wifey is expecting #2. Haven’t had much time to hollar at you guys, but it’s good to have some strong posters on here now that I’m on.

    With that said, If you and I were sitting next to each other breaking down film, the one thing I would have a problem with is our MLB not being a guy who attacks. Inexcusible the way he runs around blocks, and only makes tackles 5 yards downfield. And I don’t want to hear about him needing to be clean. Again, like Antonio Pierce illustrated on NFL Network … THERE IS NOT ONE MLB IN THE NFL WHO DOESN’T HAVE A BLOCKER ASSIGNED TO HIM ON EVERY PLAY! … Sorry for yelling that, but that is how strongly I feel about replacing that position.

    I’ll even meet you half way and throw in Morrison with Burgess to get Wilfork. And you KNOW I don’t even think we need that guy!

  • jhill

    I still can’t believe we didn’t end up with Maulauga.

    UGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

    But I still like our draft this year. Next years defensive draft class is amazing. We will most certainly go Dline in the first and 2nd rd next year.

  • jhill

    Seriously, you’d rather have Gradkowski that Vick?

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    It is tough to buy the philosophy of getting better on Run D, when it has been literally the worst over the last 5 years, without improving the talent much. Rob Ryan wasn’t any good, but I think he just compounded the problem, but he wasn’t THE problem.

  • SnB Defense

    First I was rooting for Curry to fall to number 7. Then I was hoping Rey would get to #40. But in retrospect I am kind of glad that didn’t happen. I probably would have jumped out of the window had they actually passed those players up at the respective positions. Its obvious the Raiders strategy for rounds 1 and 2 had no contingency for the two players they wanted. I think Mitchell will be a decent player…I am not so sure about Heyward-Bey. I think he will be a decent receiver….but number 7 picks need to be GREAT receivers. He can’t be the guy that gets one or two nice catches and disappears. That’s my fear with Heyward-Bey.

    As for Gradkowski vs. Vick? Vick isn’t worth the P.R nightmare. I give Cable and Davis credit for at least presenting a normal offseaon (less the draft) for a change. Vick would be a huge distraction for a young team that is poised to emerge and do some good things.

  • SnB Defense

    vegas raider Says:
    June 16th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
    It is tough to buy the philosophy of getting better on Run D, when it has been literally the worst over the last 5 years, without improving the talent much. Rob Ryan wasn’t any good, but I think he just compounded the problem, but he wasn’t THE problem.
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    Your position is like mine. Rob Ryan had shortcomings. My thoughts are that they were in his play calling. But to think that an NFL caliber coach would gloss over fundamentals like gap discipline, tackling, staying on-sides is a reach. Especially for a guy that got another Defensive Coordinator job very quickly. In fact, pundits are expecting a very aggressive defense from Ryan in Cleveland. More like his brother.

    We will see. Bottom line is the front 7 has to play much, much, much better since no new talent was really brought in to improve the run defense. Ellis is a pass rusher. The Raiders are also starting to pile up a lot of situational players and not enough everydown players.