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OTA news and notes

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, June 17th, 2009 at 1:08 pm in Oakland Raiders.

News and notes from the last Raiders’ OTA session available to the media:

– The acquisition of Greg Ellis and the fate of defensive end Derrick Burgess are unrelated, coach Tom Cable said. But it’s worth noting Ellis lined up at Burgess’ left end spot with the first team on his second day as a Raider.

“It came about pretty quick last week, and once it got in motion, I think this was the place he wanted to be, and obviously, what we’re doing defensively, it fits him,” Cable said. “He started out as a 4-3 end and became an outside backer in a 3-4 and now he’s in a 4-3. It makes our team better. I said from the very beginning we’d try to do that, when possible, when it presented itself, so it’s a good deal for us.”

Can Ellis be an an every down player?

“It think he can be. You look a the film and he’s been doing that, albeit in a different position, this is a guy you would rely on to come in and compete to be a starter and all that,” Cable said. “He’s got so much left in terms of where he’s at physically, in terms of his body, his production, so again, just a positive for our team.

– Exactly what Ellis thinks about joining the Raiders isn’t clear. Several media members were hoping to ask quesitons, but instead he was walked off the field by a member of the club’s media relations staff and he never returned.

Whether Ellis didn’t feel like talking or the team didn’t want him to talk isn’t known. No explanation was given. My recollection of Ellis when the Cowboys trained at San Jose State during a week between a Raiders and 49ers game was that he was an extremely personable and agreeable interview subject.

– Ellis practiced with the Raiders for the first time Tuesday, but it wasn’t even mentioned by the club’s Twitter account, which did update fans on tryouts for the Junior Raiderettes.

– The seeds of Burgess’ discontent with the Raiders began when former personnel exec Mike Lombardi was looking in to a contract extension for the Pro Bowl defensive end. When Lombardi was fired, any chance for a deal was lost.

Lombardi assessed the Burgess situation as part of this National Football Post column, although he didn’t write about how it all started.

– Near the end of practice a fight broke out between Tyvon Branch and a lineman, believed to be Cooper Carlisle, and it took a scrum of players to separate them. Cable met with the team after the three horns signifying the end of practice and his first line had the team laughing.

When the Raiders came off the field, Branch was talking with defensive coordiantor John Marshall.

– Other than Ellis at left end, the Raiders finished the public portion of their last OTA much the way they have the past few weeks. No real surprises in among the starters. Khalif Barnes did get some work with the first team at left tackle, although not as much as Mario Henderson.

– Cable said the undrafted free agents which have shown the most this offseason are wide receiver Nick Miller and safety Jerome Boyd, a converted linebacker from Oregon.

– No truly horrible throws from Russell Wednesday, but nothing of note down the field, either, even though there was little in the way of red zone drills. Russell said afterward the plan is to get the receivers together for a gathering at an undisclosed location to work on their timing.

“We’re going to get the receivers and tight ends a week away from everything, just go along by ourselves and accomplish something that would make us a lot better during the year,” Russell said. Just work on our own, with nobody out there but us, get ready for camp, get ready for a new year.”

Cable was glad to hear it.

“I think it’s a big step. It’s kind of what we’ve been talking about all along, and to hear about that is obviously a positive from a coaches’ standpoint,” Cable said. “It will be good to hear how that goes and what his plan is.”

Sounds great, but we’ll probably never know which receivers show up, which ones are healthy enough to show up, and which ones are advised by their agents or the union to not show up.

– With Nnamdi Asomugha and Chris Johnson not attending, John Bowie got in work as a starting cornerback opposite Stanford Routt and got worked over by most every receiver who lined up against him.

– Rookie free agent wide receiver Shawn Bayes made the catch of the day with a dive inside the 5-yard line on a medium-depth throw from Garcia during a team drill. Bayes had the biggest downfield catch as well, a 30-yarder from Garcia against Jason Horton.

(It was enough to make you wonder if Cable meant to say Bayes, No. 87, as a standout, as opposed to Miller, who wears No. 89. Miller also caught a few passes).

– During a two-minute drill in a team session starting at the 20-yard line, Russell looked in the direction of Zach Miller four staright times, not getting a first down, and taking what the coaches ruled a sack on one play.

– In another drive which started at the 20, Russell underthrew a long lob to Johnnie Lee Higgins, with Bowie holding up in coverage, but beat a Thomas Howard blitz with a quick out to Miller for a first down on third-and-3 and converted a third-and-10 with a quick pass to his right to tight end Tony Stewart.

The drive eventually stalled when Russell stepped up on fourth-and-3 threw incomplete with two defenders closer than any Oakland receiver.

– Heyward-Bey and Mitchell weren’t the only rookies who came off the field. Louis Murphy hopped off the field on one play, with Cable saying afterward it was because of a cramp.

Regarding Heyward-Bey’s injury, Cable said, “As you saw, Heyward-Bey is sore. We don’t have any idea what that means because we haven’t had a chance to go look at him yet.”

Hard to know whether the hamstring injury is a fluke or something to be concerned about long-term. Heyward-Bey was regarded as a durable receiver at Maryland.

– Asked whether Mitchell’s absence and hamstring injury sets him back, Cable said, “It does. You can’t do anything about the rules. They are what they are. You have to abide by them so we have some work, some catch-up to do when we get to camp with him, certainly.”

– Perhaps not coincidentally, the Raiders defensive front refrained from jumping offsides with Tommy Kelly absent.

– Raiders players will largely be on their own from now until training camp begins. The reporting date is July 29. Players will be given things to work on and ostensibly a prescribed reporting weight.

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  • Nnamdi21

    Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 9:10 am
    Dakota Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 9:04 am
    I agree Bo…my 15 year old son is caught up in this MMA B.S. and he and his friends still follow WWE or F or whatever it’s called these days. I am deeply disappointed in him, lol. My son is a Taekwondo Brown belt (actually he just tested for his red belt but we don’t know the results yet) and he has it in his mind that he wants to fight in MMA when he turns 18.

    Anyone have Rolaids?

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    LMAO. I got a whole roll in my pocket. My sweet, cute daughter is entering puberty…

    ========================

    Ooooh! Good luck there mister!

  • Nnamdi21

    ottocrat Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 9:11 am
    DHB: Bust, BUst, BUSt, BUST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ——————————-

    LOL!

  • Al DAVIS HAS COJONES

    When its all said and done, where does DMC end up on the All time yards from scrimmage list??????????

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Nnamdi21 is on fire!

  • Al DAVIS HAS COJONES

    Marcus is up there…Tiki is up there…AP Will be up there…

    DMC?

  • M Lonetree

    I know there seem to be many LA Bball fans in here, but to me personally, a Kobe or Paul Pierce championship ranks right down there with the Cowgirls and the Whiners, the Yanks and the Botox on my list of things I have no wish to see.

    Hey, where’s Drray, maybe he would have some insight into the reason why so many athletes seem to tweak their hamstrings so often. Could it be lack of proper hydration? Poor diets? Too little body fat? Unhealthy BodyMassIndex? Improper warm-up and warm-down? Lactic acid build-up?

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    I just thought up another DHB nickname…Darius Heybaby. Is that racist?

  • RaiderRockstar

    Hey Rockstar….I was at Iverson’s last game as a Nugg…they played the Lakers on Nov 1st.

    Iverson sucks.

    Over the hill 5′10 pt guards who lose their quickness usually start bricking their shots. Like AI

    ***

    Dakota & exla: Allen Iverson dominated the NBA for 13 seasons before getting traded to Detroit …

    a guy doesn’t play well in his 14th season on a team that doesn’t fit his style and now he “sucks” ??? you guys are bleeding purple after the Lakers victory and it’s going to your head. Iverson is a legend. look at some of his awards …

    NCAA Big East Rookie Of The Year (1995)
    2x NCAA Big East Defensive Player Of The Year (1995, 1996)
    NBA Rookie of the Year (1997)
    NBA All-Star Rookie Game Most Valuable Player (1997)
    1997 NBA All-Rookie Team
    NBA Most Valuable Player (2001)
    2x NBA All-Star Game MVP (2001, 2005)
    3x All-NBA First Team
    3x All-NBA Second Team
    10x NBA All-Star
    3x Steals leader (2001, 2002, 2003)
    7x All-NBA selection
    4x NBA scoring champion (1999, 2001, 2002, 2005)

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Nnamdi,

    I beat him up once in a while when I get sick and tired of him popping around the corner and sending a kick into my gut…I take him down and kick his scrawny ass, lol. Thankfully, he does have other dreams, he wants to go into law enforcement, SWAT in particular, and he wants to become a Taekwondo master and have his own school.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Top FT shooters over 7’2″:

    1. Yao Ming, 7-6
    Career %: .826 (2571 FTA)
    Best Season %: 2006-07, .862

    2. Arvydas Sabonis, 7-3
    Career %: .786 (1690 FTA)
    Best Season %: 1999-00, .843

    3. Zydrunas Ilgauskas, 7-3
    Career %: .781 (2959 FTA)
    Best Season %: 2008-09, .838

    4. Rik Smits, 7-4
    Career %: .773 (2932 FTA)
    Best Season %: 1998-99, .818

    5. Luc Longley, 7-2
    Career %: .760 (947 FTA)
    Best Season %: 1999-00, .825

  • Al DAVIS HAS COJONES

    If JRuss, DMC, and Zach Miller all end up being bona fide superstars, are you upset if DHB only ends up being as good as Alvin Harper if we win?

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    M Lonetree Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 9:17 am
    I know there seem to be many LA Bball fans in here, but to me personally, a Kobe or Paul Pierce championship ranks right down there with the Cowgirls and the Whiners, the Yanks and the Botox on my list of things I have no wish to see.

    Hey, where’s Drray, maybe he would have some insight into the reason why so many athletes seem to tweak their hamstrings so often. Could it be lack of proper hydration? Poor diets? Too little body fat? Unhealthy BodyMassIndex? Improper warm-up and warm-down? Lactic acid build-up?
    ____________________________

    M,

    I think the rookies probably hurt themselves trying to service all of their new lady friends once the ladies found out how high they were drafted. That would be hard, but fulfilling work.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    RRS,

    Iverson is selfish and since Philly his teams get worse when he gets there. Nice indiv. numbers, but no rings for a reason. Its a team game. Ask Jordan.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Iverson dominated the NBA like George Foreman dominates a dinner table…

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Iverson is overrated, always has been. He would never lead a team to an NBA championship.

  • RaiderRockstar

    If JRuss, DMC, and Zach Miller all end up being bona fide superstars, are you upset if DHB only ends up being as good as Alvin Harper if we win?

    ***

    Cable = Jimmy Johnson
    Russell = Troy Aikman
    McFadden = Emmitt Smith
    O’Neal = Daryl Johnston
    Walker = Michael Irvin
    Heyward Bey = Alvin Harper
    Miller = Jay Novacek

    LOL! yeah right buddy :)

  • RaiderRockstar

    Iverson wasn’t selfish in Denver or Detroit. They centered their offense around him in Philly because they never had enough talented players around him. not guys that could score on a consistant basis anyways

    even last year he started 50 games and averaged over 17 points per game as a role player on the defensive minded Pistons

    The guy is 34 years old and his body has taken a beating in 14 years of basketball. He’s a warrior and bball is a young man’s game.

  • exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    If Iverson has learned it was a team game, perhaps he might have gotten a ring. Caused many a coach to get fired or quit. Larry Brown was an example of someone who tried tried to get him to put his skills into team ball.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 9:35 am
    If JRuss, DMC, and Zach Miller all end up being bona fide superstars, are you upset if DHB only ends up being as good as Alvin Harper if we win?

    ***

    Cable = Jimmy Johnson
    Russell = Troy Aikman
    McFadden = Emmitt Smith
    O’Neal = Daryl Johnston
    Walker = Michael Irvin
    Heyward Bey = Alvin Harper
    Miller = Jay Novacek

    LOL! yeah right buddy
    ____________________________

    Too bad we don’t have something to match the true force behind the Cowboys victories; the o-line. No Gogans, Newtons, Stepnoskis or Larry Allens on this Oakland Roster. But at least we drafted fast players!!!

  • exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    The guy is 34 years old and his body has taken a beating in 14 years of basketball. He’s a warrior and bball is a young man’s game.
    ————————-
    Unless you are over 6’9′. LOL

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 9:41 am
    Iverson wasn’t selfish in Denver or Detroit.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Compare the records of the Thuggets and Pistons before and after the trade. Maybe selfish is not the word for it, but regardless he does not produce the important number. Wins. Billups is a far better contributor.

    Adding a “dominant” player turns a good team into a great one, i.e. Gasol/Lakers, Billups/Nuggets, Wade/Heat, Duncan/Spurs.

    Iverson has had that kind of impact once, last century.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Hey Bo,

    If we keep Odom and lose Ariza, what would you think of bringing in Shawn Marion for the MLE to replace Ariza once Marion realizes his market value is crap?

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Too bad we don’t have something to match the true force behind the Cowboys victories.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    The true force behind Raider victories: Lechler/Jano.

  • http://atm Raider O

    Good morning Nation.

    4eva,

    What’s a Din Din?

  • http://atm Raider O

    Lakers!!! Again!!!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    Billups is a great player. I give you that. He can get the ball into the hands of the teams playmakers. He made Anthony, Nene, K-Mart and JR Smith better players. Made that team dangerous. That’s what good PG’s do …

    Iverson is a SG (should be anyways). different roles. Iverson is a scorer. Billups can score, but it’s never his first choice or option. Detroit should have never traded for Iverson. He doesn’t fit the team chemistry or philosophy. They were looking for a spark though. Just like the Raiders when they traded away Washington to acquire D Hall. Fabian became a starter in Baltimore, DeAngelo was a bad fit in Oakland (not a M2M corner)

  • http://atm Raider O

    Dakota,

    You are a troublemaker, talking about the lakers, politics, and bushmaster5000!!
    This is a Raiders Blog sir!!

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    RaiderO,

    I know I am, but get used to it…Raider news is pretty sparse between now and the end of July.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Dakota,

    I would rather have Ariza, and I suspect he will make himself affordable. He went to UCLA.

    Marion is nice for toughness, but Ariza is a better 3-pt shooter and can guard Pierce, LeBron, Wade, R. Lewis, and Ginobili.

    I am worried about keeping both Odom and Phil. Jerry and Jeanie better swallow (innuendo?) the salary tax.

    Also, I want to sign Dikembe. He can practice against Bynum and deliver some good fouls on big men. So what if he’s 63?

    Adios to Powell, Mbenga, and DEFINATELY Sasha. The bench needs a Charles Oakley type enforcer and not a player who keeps a spare shoelace on his head.

  • RaiderRockstar

    If Iverson has learned it was a team game, perhaps he might have gotten a ring. Caused many a coach to get fired or quit. Larry Brown was an example of someone who tried tried to get him to put his skills into team ball.

    ***

    exla: I responded to this, but my comment is “awaiting moderation” – not sure why. I didn’t use the word sho3s!

    Anyways, on to football. What do you guys think of the Charlie Frye signing?

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Lunch!

  • exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    Who’s the idot who gave Walton a 21 Mil contract?
    The Lakers will resign both Ariza and Odom. Detroit traded for AI just for his expiring big $ contract. Wanted to get into the FA market.

  • http://atm Raider O

    Dakota,

    I’m playing, I enjoy reading your posts. Especially the ones that are not Raiders related. lol

  • http://atm Raider O

    What do you guys think of Cable’s play calling from what you have seen last season?

  • exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    Points Rebounds Assists FG%
    5.0 2.8 2.7 43.6
    ————————-
    $21 mil? Jeanne must have been doing Phil when Mitch Kupchak brough in the contract.

  • DKnight007

    Good to hear that Russell is gettting his pass catchers ready for a seperate practice session so they can get on the same page before camp starts.

    How come none of you whining Russell haters who call yourselves Raiders fans are talking about that?

    Why isn’t the local media, BSPN and NFLNetwork reporting that??

    Oh thats right, they only focus on the negative when it comes to Russell and any Raiders player for that matter.

    Being objective was thrown out the window along time ago when it comes the media huh? lol

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  • DKnight007

    If the LAKERS can’t resign both and can only resign one….then Ariza should be the choice.

    He is younger, more active, can shoot and plays better defense than Odom and he still tall at 6’7.

  • DKnight007

    The RaiderCast | Evening news and notes Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 10:21 am
    [...] defensive end Greg Ellis is already working in Derrick Burgess’ starting spot after two days in Oakland. The writing is on the wall for [...]

    ^^^^^
    Trade Burgess and Walter for Vince Wilfork and the rookie OT the Pats drafted in the 2nd Round this year.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Exla,

    Maybe the Lakers can swing a deal to dump Adam Morrison’s expiring $5.2 million dollar contract to give us room to sign both Odom and Ariza…I doubt anyone would want to touch Walton’s or Sasha’s contracts. Lakers did save $8.5 million when they traded Vladimir and that money was supposed to be earmarked to go to Ariza and Odom, so hopefully deals get worked out.

  • http://atm Raider O

    Al,

    Trade Burgess, Walter, and a draft pick for V Wilfork. Please!!!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    What do you guys think of Cable’s play calling from what you have seen last season?

    ***

    he’s not afraid to take a risk. likes to gamble and try new things (which is all good). When it works he looks like a genious. When it doesn’t he looks like a dope. It will be interesting to see how he blends with Tollner/Hackett’s ultra conservative system. It was obvious that all he did last year was put a few wrinkles in the Kiffin/Knapp playbook.

  • http://atm Raider O

    And then sign him to a long term contract.

  • http://atm Raider O

    There is no Cap next year!! Trade for Wilfork Al!!

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    RaiderO, Al already has many many millions tied up in the DT spot. We would have to dump Sands, Warren or Kelly to be able to sign Wilfork IMO…and I doubt the Pats would take any of those players.

  • Raider Dell

    Dakota

    “HELLS BELLS”

  • http://atm Raider O

    Dakota,

    We don’t need both Sands and Warren, if we sign Wilfork.
    Look at the Giants, how much do they have invested in their D line? More than us I think.

  • http://atm Raider O

    RR,

    Post # 292, very interesting. What about the deep ball, that’s not too conservative. IMHO

  • Raider Dell

    Raider Dell Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 10:36 am
    Dakota

    “HELLS BELLS”II

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    DKnight007 Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 10:22 am
    If the LAKERS can’t resign both and can only resign one….then Ariza should be the choice.

    He is younger, more active, can shoot and plays better defense than Odom and he still tall at 6′7.
    _________________________

    I disagree. Ariza might be a one-hit playoff wonder like many many players before him (sasha last year), and he is injury prone big time.

    We know Odom is a solid player year in and year out. Causes major matchup problems, plays decent post D and rebounds the hell out of the Ball and plays through injuries. And, although Ariza is younger, Odom is only 29.