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OTA news and notes

News and notes from the last Raiders’ OTA session available to the media:

– The acquisition of Greg Ellis and the fate of defensive end Derrick Burgess are unrelated, coach Tom Cable said. But it’s worth noting Ellis lined up at Burgess’ left end spot with the first team on his second day as a Raider.

“It came about pretty quick last week, and once it got in motion, I think this was the place he wanted to be, and obviously, what we’re doing defensively, it fits him,” Cable said. “He started out as a 4-3 end and became an outside backer in a 3-4 and now he’s in a 4-3. It makes our team better. I said from the very beginning we’d try to do that, when possible, when it presented itself, so it’s a good deal for us.”

Can Ellis be an an every down player?

“It think he can be. You look a the film and he’s been doing that, albeit in a different position, this is a guy you would rely on to come in and compete to be a starter and all that,” Cable said. “He’s got so much left in terms of where he’s at physically, in terms of his body, his production, so again, just a positive for our team.

– Exactly what Ellis thinks about joining the Raiders isn’t clear. Several media members were hoping to ask quesitons, but instead he was walked off the field by a member of the club’s media relations staff and he never returned.

Whether Ellis didn’t feel like talking or the team didn’t want him to talk isn’t known. No explanation was given. My recollection of Ellis when the Cowboys trained at San Jose State during a week between a Raiders and 49ers game was that he was an extremely personable and agreeable interview subject.

– Ellis practiced with the Raiders for the first time Tuesday, but it wasn’t even mentioned by the club’s Twitter account, which did update fans on tryouts for the Junior Raiderettes.

– The seeds of Burgess’ discontent with the Raiders began when former personnel exec Mike Lombardi was looking in to a contract extension for the Pro Bowl defensive end. When Lombardi was fired, any chance for a deal was lost.

Lombardi assessed the Burgess situation as part of this National Football Post column, although he didn’t write about how it all started.

– Near the end of practice a fight broke out between Tyvon Branch and a lineman, believed to be Cooper Carlisle, and it took a scrum of players to separate them. Cable met with the team after the three horns signifying the end of practice and his first line had the team laughing.

When the Raiders came off the field, Branch was talking with defensive coordiantor John Marshall.

– Other than Ellis at left end, the Raiders finished the public portion of their last OTA much the way they have the past few weeks. No real surprises in among the starters. Khalif Barnes did get some work with the first team at left tackle, although not as much as Mario Henderson.

– Cable said the undrafted free agents which have shown the most this offseason are wide receiver Nick Miller and safety Jerome Boyd, a converted linebacker from Oregon.

– No truly horrible throws from Russell Wednesday, but nothing of note down the field, either, even though there was little in the way of red zone drills. Russell said afterward the plan is to get the receivers together for a gathering at an undisclosed location to work on their timing.

“We’re going to get the receivers and tight ends a week away from everything, just go along by ourselves and accomplish something that would make us a lot better during the year,” Russell said. Just work on our own, with nobody out there but us, get ready for camp, get ready for a new year.”

Cable was glad to hear it.

“I think it’s a big step. It’s kind of what we’ve been talking about all along, and to hear about that is obviously a positive from a coaches’ standpoint,” Cable said. “It will be good to hear how that goes and what his plan is.”

Sounds great, but we’ll probably never know which receivers show up, which ones are healthy enough to show up, and which ones are advised by their agents or the union to not show up.

– With Nnamdi Asomugha and Chris Johnson not attending, John Bowie got in work as a starting cornerback opposite Stanford Routt and got worked over by most every receiver who lined up against him.

– Rookie free agent wide receiver Shawn Bayes made the catch of the day with a dive inside the 5-yard line on a medium-depth throw from Garcia during a team drill. Bayes had the biggest downfield catch as well, a 30-yarder from Garcia against Jason Horton.

(It was enough to make you wonder if Cable meant to say Bayes, No. 87, as a standout, as opposed to Miller, who wears No. 89. Miller also caught a few passes).

– During a two-minute drill in a team session starting at the 20-yard line, Russell looked in the direction of Zach Miller four staright times, not getting a first down, and taking what the coaches ruled a sack on one play.

– In another drive which started at the 20, Russell underthrew a long lob to Johnnie Lee Higgins, with Bowie holding up in coverage, but beat a Thomas Howard blitz with a quick out to Miller for a first down on third-and-3 and converted a third-and-10 with a quick pass to his right to tight end Tony Stewart.

The drive eventually stalled when Russell stepped up on fourth-and-3 threw incomplete with two defenders closer than any Oakland receiver.

– Heyward-Bey and Mitchell weren’t the only rookies who came off the field. Louis Murphy hopped off the field on one play, with Cable saying afterward it was because of a cramp.

Regarding Heyward-Bey’s injury, Cable said, “As you saw, Heyward-Bey is sore. We don’t have any idea what that means because we haven’t had a chance to go look at him yet.”

Hard to know whether the hamstring injury is a fluke or something to be concerned about long-term. Heyward-Bey was regarded as a durable receiver at Maryland.

– Asked whether Mitchell’s absence and hamstring injury sets him back, Cable said, “It does. You can’t do anything about the rules. They are what they are. You have to abide by them so we have some work, some catch-up to do when we get to camp with him, certainly.”

– Perhaps not coincidentally, the Raiders defensive front refrained from jumping offsides with Tommy Kelly absent.

– Raiders players will largely be on their own from now until training camp begins. The reporting date is July 29. Players will be given things to work on and ostensibly a prescribed reporting weight.

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  • http://atm Raider O

    Dell,

    How was your dinner, or let me put this way: what was your dinner? ;)

  • exlaraiderseasonticketholder
  • exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    Odom can play all 5 positions. How many could do that beside Magic?

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Dell,

    We must be experiencing technical difficulties!

  • exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    Dakota,
    Forgot about Morrison. Long time since I heard him mentioned. Send him to the Clippers. Oh I forgot, Elgin’s not there to make the deal. LOL

  • Raider Dell

    Raider O

    I decided to take your advice. I let her believe I really wanted to go to Mimi’s. I was so positive about our dinner, she offered to go to my restaurant the next few times.

    Identify, overcome and don’t ask for the Sale.

    Big Thanks.

  • Raider Dell

    Dakota

    It must be on my sight, new computer.

  • http://atm Raider O

    King James can play all 5 positions, and according to Dakota, he should be a laker in 2011.

    lol

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Dakota,

    We must keep Odom for rebounding and as a potential starter if Ariza, Bynum or Gasol get injured.

    I want to know when Phil plans to announce his intentions for next season. And is Tex Winter’s stroke going to force him to reitre in the prime of his career???

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    FREE DIKEMBE!

  • http://atm Raider O

    Dell,

    My pleasure sir, but dont forget: Ask, then identify..
    Do you like to compete?

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Bo, I think Dikembe’s knee exploded into a million pieces and he pretty much announced his retirement while being carted off the court.

    From what I hear, Mbenga is pretty physical in practice…he is a black belt after all.

    And I agree about having to keep Odom…can’t count on Bynum to last an entire year, and with Gasol likely committed to playing for Spain in the Euros later this Summer/early Fall he may not last the year either.

  • RaiderRockstar

    What about the deep ball, that’s not too conservative. IMHO

    ***

    who knows? that’s what we’re waiting to find out! Tollner/Hackett’s Air Coryell offense calls for a 3 step drop and a pass lofted 30-40 yards downfield. It’s usually run-run-pass. run the football. play great defense. win the time of possession and field position battle. always take the points (FG on 4th down for example). no gambles

    Kiffin/Knapp’s offense was centered around the zbs. The zbs calls for a QB to be able to move in the pocket. quick release, roll outs, screen passes, short slants to the TE, hit the RB or FB out of the backfield when ANY sort of pressure arises. Jeff Garcia is the perfect fit. Cable said they aren’t changing the offense, just mainly the terminology and stressing fundamentals.

    What does a mix between the Kiffin/Knapp and Tollner/Hackett systems look like? nobody knows! All we know is that with the zbs still intact and a RB trio of McFadden, Bush & Fargas we will be running the football PLENTY. Especially since we have such a young QB and WR’s … If our defense plays up to par I’m guessing we’ll be very competitive in this division

  • Raider Dell

    I have an appointment in a few minutes. The gentleman has inherited $ 1 million dollars.

    He is a Raide Man. So in lieu of compensation , how about I ask him to rent a suite for one game, and then I get to select my 21 closest friends, or blog buddys.

    You may think this is B. S., I assure you it will be brought up.

    I’ll let you know what he said.

    Later and Raider On.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Dikembe Mutombo is done.

    He hasn’t done jack since 2002, like the Raiders …

    76ers traded him to the rival Nets. what does that tell you?

  • Al DAVIS HAS COJONES

    Raider O Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 10:17 am
    What do you guys think of Cable’s play calling from what you have seen last season?

    ——-

    We’re gonna run the ball no matter what.
    Playcalling will be dictated by how effective the line blocks and how accurate Russell looks. If we’re pass protecting and throwing it on target, then we will throw more -when they arent expecting it.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Playcalling will be dictated by how effective the line blocks and how accurate Russell looks. If we’re pass protecting and throwing it on target, then we will throw more -when they arent expecting it.

    ***

    Agreed. However, Samson Satele replaces Jake Grove. Thats the only change on the o-line (and Samson is injured right now), besides getting a new OL coach from UCLA.

    LT Henderson
    LG Gallery
    C Satele
    RG Carlisle
    RT Green

    whoopie! I don’t expect much from Barnes, Pears, Johnson or Compas. At least Kwame Harris is out :)

  • exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    Talk to all tomorrow. See Ya!

  • lefty12

    too bad the mod doesn’t make all basketball comments awaiting moderation.

  • Al DAVIS HAS COJONES

    1st and 10- DMC Off tackle right for 4 yards

    2nd and 6- Play action to Miller over middle for 4 yards

    3rd and 2- Toss left to DMC, option throw over the top to DHB down the left sideline for 75 tard TD.

  • RaiderRockstar

    later exla!

  • lefty12

    there is a very good probability Green will be replaced.Cable wanted to replace him last year but didn’t have anyone healthy or good enough.Barnes or Pears will probably take his spot.

  • RaiderRockstar

    too bad the mod doesn’t make all basketball comments awaiting moderation.

    ***

    LOL. well put

    religion & politics too

  • RaiderRockstar

    Barnes or Pears will probably take his spot.

    ***

    Barnes hasn’t played RT since college and that was only sparingly

    Pears was out of football last year (injured)

  • lefty12

    RR-agreed

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Lefty,

    It would be really boring in here if we could only talk about the Raiders.

  • DKnight007

    Raider Dell Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 10:59 am
    I have an appointment in a few minutes. The gentleman has inherited $ 1 million dollars.

    He is a Raide Man. So in lieu of compensation , how about I ask him to rent a suite for one game, and then I get to select my 21 closest friends, or blog buddys.

    You may think this is B. S., I assure you it will be brought up.

    I’ll let you know what he said.

    Later and Raider On.

    ^^^^^^
    There you go!

  • DKnight007

    Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 10:51 am
    Dakota,

    We must keep Odom for rebounding and as a potential starter if Ariza, Bynum or Gasol get injured.

    I want to know when Phil plans to announce his intentions for next season. And is Tex Winter’s stroke going to force him to reitre in the prime of his career???

    ^^^^^^
    It’s gonna depend on who wants more money, and who wants to stay with the Lakers in the end.

    I would love for them tio keep Odom IF they can.

    Oh yeah, The Celtics are soft….lol

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Dell, you are my fav poster! You are the man! You have the best comments on the blog!

    Can I come to the game?

  • lefty12

    not as boring as BB talk.besides,would eveyone be happy if a bunch of donkey fans came on here and talked about them all day?

  • RaiderRockstar

    who is Dell?

    Dell Curry?

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Just purchased three tickets to the Braves-Rockies game on July 11th…I’ll be the guy wearing the Sammy Sosa jersey that has his name crossed out and the word Cheat replacing it.

  • RaiderRockstar

    I guess Raider O didn’t like my responses to his questions … where did he go?

    *crickets*

  • http://sportmag.us/images/Lester_Hayes_November_1981.jpg RaiderDogg

    Dakota Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 11:25 am
    Dell, you are my fav poster! You are the man! You have the best comments on the blog!

    Can I come to the game?”

    My sentiments exactly Raider Dell. You ARE the man! Don’t forget about your old Blues Brother RaiderDogg.

  • lefty12

    Dakota-you should replace his name with “another cheat”,or better yet yanna-be-steeler.

  • http://sportmag.us/images/Lester_Hayes_November_1981.jpg RaiderDogg

    Dakota, BSJ & EXLA

    Congrats on the new hardware this weekend!

    Look out for my Warriors next year :D

    I heard that Trevor Ariza wants to join Golden State and re-unite with his old buddy Ronny Turiaf…

  • lefty12

    should be wanna be,not yanna be.or wanna be charger.

  • http://sportmag.us/images/Lester_Hayes_November_1981.jpg RaiderDogg

    OAKRAIDERSFormer Raiders WR Jerry Rice is at the team’s Alameda facility watching today’s final OTA session.
    31 minutes ago from web

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Jerry Rice Quote from the Raiders OTA:

    “Man, I’m not sure this Heyward-Bey guy was worth the number seven pick. He can’t run or catch. Reminds me of James Jett”

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    just kidding

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Raider Dell Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 10:59 am
    I have an appointment in a few minutes. The gentleman has inherited $ 1 million dollars.

    He is a Raide Man. So in lieu of compensation , how about I ask him to rent a suite for one game, and then I get to select my 21 closest friends, or blog buddys.

    You may think this is B. S., I assure you it will be brought up.

    I’ll let you know what he said.

    Later and Raider On.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Dell, I have always considered you a great commenter and a blessing to manking in general.

    Good luck with the sweet suite idea! And yes, I’m a whore for the Raiders…

  • RaiderRockstar

    Jerry Rice is at the team’s Alameda facility watching today’s final OTA session.

    ***

    half the WR’s on our roster are only WATCHING today’s OTA session as well …

    Maybe Higgins, Schilens, Holland and Watkins can showcase their skills in front of a legend?

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    I heard that Trevor Ariza wants to join Golden State and re-unite with his old buddy Ronny Turiaf…

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    And Obama would rather be Governor of Illinois.

  • http://sportmag.us/images/Lester_Hayes_November_1981.jpg RaiderDogg

    Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 11:42 am
    I heard that Trevor Ariza wants to join Golden State and re-unite with his old buddy Ronny Turiaf…

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    And Obama would rather be Governor of Illinois.”

    Look bro, I don’t just make this sh1t up! OK, yes I do. Just phukking with you guys.

  • Trolls 35 Raiders 0

    lefty12 Says:
    June 18th, 2009 at 11:15 am
    too bad the mod doesn’t make all basketball comments awaiting moderation.

    We could always talk about Ginger and Mary Ann :lol:

  • lefty12

    i was watching NFLN earlier-a show about the NY Titans/Jets and realized they haven’t been to a SB in over 50 years.i made me wonder how would we as Raider fans accept that?would we rather have their recent record or our history with our recent record?

  • Trolls 35 Raiders 0

    “Dell, I have always considered you a great commenter and a blessing to manking in general.

    Good luck with the sweet suite idea! And yes, I’m a whore for the Raiders…”

    Is that you buttholeprik :mrgreen:

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    WHAT? Dikembe is done? Well, he probably has several sons in their 30s that are at least 7’6″…

    Kupchak, get us Dikembe Mutombo Mpolondo Mukamba Jean-Jacques Wamutombo Jr.!

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Lefty

    Quit making excuses for losing!

  • lefty12

    troll-you’d have to go to a donkey blog for that.you and their fans like to make light of serious issues.