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By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, June 18th, 2009 at 12:58 pm in Oakland Raiders.

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  • RaiderRockstar

    MR probably looks like Louie.

    ***

    Louie Anderson?

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Louie Depalma.

  • RaiderRockstar

    OAKlifer: about 95 percent of my convo with Raider O yesterday evening got deleted by the mod and thats probably for the best

    it had nothing to do with football and was offensive to some

  • RaiderRockstar

    Bring on da Chargers and their 0 SB trophies!

    ***

    wow OAKlifer. looks like NMF drank some of that Kool-Aid you dished out earlier too!

    the dolts have owned us for 5 or 6 straight years

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Need to Know
    Follow WEEI.com football writer Christopher Price at twitter.com/capeleaguer. In addition, get the latest WEEI.com updates at twitter.com/weeisports.

    WEEI.com Blog NetworkRSSWEEI » It Is What It Is » Report: Ellis turned down Pats
    Report: Ellis turned down Pats 06.18.09 at 6:42 pm ET

    By Christopher Price
    According to this report in the Dallas Morning News, Greg Ellis — who was recently released by the Cowboys — was offered a one-year, $1.5 million deal with the Patriots. However, the veteran pass rusher decided against signing with New England, preferring instead to ink a three-year, $10 million contract with Oakland.

    The 33-year-old Ellis, who has played his entire 11-year career with Dallas before being cut loose earlier this spring, had 77 sacks in 11 seasons with the Cowboys. His best season came in 2007 when he made the Pro Bowl after posting a career-best 12.5 sacks, despite missing the first three games recovering with a torn Achilles’ tendon.

    A first-round pick out of North Carolina, Ellis is a 6-foot-6, 262-pounder who spent eight years at defensive end in Dallas before the Cowboys moved him to outside linebacker.

  • RaiderRockstar

    you mean Danny DeVito ? LOL

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Was it in the evening RRS? I thought it was your sand ****** comment following his Jungar quiz.

    Tha hairlipped Axl Rose lyrics were funny…

  • RaiderRockstar

    hmm.. let’s see:

    1 year at $1.5 million or 3 years for $10 million

    seems like a no brainer!

    However, us getting Ellis at an average of $3.3 million per season is dirt cheap for a proven vet who can start at LDE on Week 1

  • RaiderRockstar

    BSJ: I forget about the time difference …

    5pm here is 3pm there, it was late afternoon (1 or 2 pm? PST) I suppose

    and it was Colonel Mustard in the Lounge with the Candlestick!

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    LAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKERS!!!!!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    RIIIIIICCOOLLLLAAA !!!

  • priesttj

    SnB,

    Man you should know that an unrestricted Free Agent is NOT a cap casualty. And there is a distinction between a great player and a good one.

    Again, NO ONE and I mean NO ONE or team gets rid of a ‘GREAT PLAYER’ for cap considerations…………that’s foolishness.

  • RaiderRockstar

    priest: what “great player” are we going to get rid of?

  • priesttj

    Namely Vince Wilfork has a way to go before being called a great player. I thought maybe you would understand my point. If they let him go for cap reasons, that should tell you all you need to know……….period

  • RaiderRockstar

    If they let him go for cap reasons, that should tell you all you need to know……….period

    ***

    so any player that enters free agency is worthless? whether he’s cut or his contract expires?

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    I agree with Priesttj…pretty much any player that a team does not retain during this period of expansive cap room is a player that has injury problems, head case problems, major holes in their games, or they are overreaching for the $$$.

    The days of teams having to make hard decision on whether or not to keep a great player are over…all the good ones are kept in house.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Priest/RRS,

    Other considerations include whether a team has quality younger, cheaper, healthier players available at said player’s position. Burgess and Scott for example, or Kelly/Sapp. The cap is always just one of many issues.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Vince Wilfork is a pro bowler and super bowl champion. He’s only 27 years old (in his prime). there is a reason why he was drafted by the Pats (good talent evaluators) and why it was in the 1st round … he’s got skills! he’s one of the best interior linemen in the league. the NT in a 3-4 defense that eats up OL like JaWalrus eats pancakes.

    Richard Seymour & Ty Warren are also solid DT’s drafted by the Pats in Round 1. Why take all these DT’s that high? because stopping the run is a priority to them

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Haynesworth had one of those problems Dakota?

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Bo, Haynesworth has personality issues, work ethic issues and was out for the money.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Dakota Says:
    June 19th, 2009 at 8:36 am

    The days of teams having to make hard decision on whether or not to keep a great player are over…all the good ones are kept in house.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Except in the NBA! GO KUPCHAK! GO GASOL!

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Dakota Says:
    June 19th, 2009 at 8:43 am
    Bo, Haynesworth has personality issues, work ethic issues and was out for the money.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    A player is not “reaching for the money” if they end up getting it. Ask Meangelo.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Well guys, you may be seeing a lot of more of me over the next few weeks. Just got suspended (with pay thankfully) for two weeks from work, and think they will terminate me after the two weeks. Securities violation.

    Kind of pissed, but ready to move on.

    BTW, the fact that Daniel Snyder is the one who gave Haynesworth his big payday kind of implies he will be a bust. History has a way of repeating itself. I think the next “good” FA signing by Snyder will be his first.

  • RaiderRockstar

    The days of teams having to make hard decision on whether or not to keep a great player are over…all the good ones are kept in house.

    ***

    Stacy Andrews
    Chris Baker
    Eric Barton
    Rocky Bernard
    Matt Birk
    Michael Boley
    Keith Brooking
    Derrick Brooks
    Jason Brown
    Chris Canty
    Corey Chavous
    Rod Coleman
    Laveranues Coles
    Angelo Crowell
    Brian Dawkins
    Warrick Dunn
    Greg Ellis

    Really? none of these guys are worth anything? I’d LOVE for the Raiders to have gotten their hands on any of these players (and thats only A-E of the free agent list!)

  • RaiderRockstar

    Just got suspended (with pay thankfully) for two weeks from work, and think they will terminate me after the two weeks. Securities violation.

    ***

    Vegas: wow man, sorry to hear that!

    did you even know what you were doing was wrong?

  • jhill

    Wilfork????

    Again?

    Ok so what, we trade for him this year, and pay him how much? What’s the going rate for DTs this year?

    Hmmm!

    Then, what do we do with Warren and his $? Sands and his $?

    I know, I know ….. Just cut those bums, right? LMFAO!

    Wilfork, Tommy Kelly, William Joseph, and Ryan Booschetti.

    Yup, I see it … TREMENDOUS upgrade! Should be #1 against the run with that group of DTs!

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Securities violation? Like an SEC issue? Sounds rough Vegas, good luck.

    Consider swing trading perhaps during the down time…

  • RaiderRockstar

    Did Raiders draft the next Rashaun Woods?

    Maybe the most significant event of yesterday: Raiders’ No. 1 pick Darrius Heyward-Strain, err… I mean Heyward-Bey… pulled up after one route in Wednesday’s OTA.

    That hamstring has been a nettlesome issue for DHB this entire off-season–DHB was not known as an injury-prone guy in his unproductive Maryland days.

    So maybe he’s just going through a random bit of hamstring tenderness. Maybe he’ll be 100% once training camp starts in Napa in late July and explode past all defenders.

    But we’ve all seen this before out of a first-round WR in the Bay Area, and the precedent is not a happy one: Rashaun Woods couldn’t make it through a couple practices at a time after the 49ers drafted him in the first round (31st overall) in 2004.

    Woods just wasn’t physically capable of getting to NFL speed without his legs giving out on him. He caught a total of 7 passes in his 49ers career. Oops.

    An old coach told me long ago that the first thing rookies have to prove is that they can stay healthy in the NFL–the practices are harder and more important than in college, the games are tougher, and the willingness to baby players is less prevalent.

    If they can’t get through practices, doesn’t matter how talented they are, they’ll never make it as NFL standouts.

    Of course, Al Davis is going to baby DHB for a little while and will blame anybody else he can think of for Heyward-Bey’s leg troubles.

    As Mike Lombardi hilariously pointed out via Twitter: ”The groundskeeper probably did not mow the grass right… he will get blamed.”

    But if DHB can’t make it through a couple practices in a row at Napa… Man, Al will have to blame the people who convinced him to draft DHB. Darn those football guys who keep forcing Al to draft shaky players!

    By Tim Kawakami

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    RRS, good point. You stopped at E so you didn’t have to include Deangelo Hall huh? LOL.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Heh heh, Smoke Potter said “grass”.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Jhill: I’m not saying that Vince Wilfork will be the answer to all of our problems in fixing the run defense or that the Raiders can afford him or even that the Pats would be willing to part ways with him.

    All i’m saying is that he’s a good player. Better than any DT we currently have on the roster. priest was making it sound like VW is a bum

    I know that it takes 11 guys to stuff the run and I also know that we have a new defensive staff in place. John Marshall should have a year to see if these guys can be effective under his scheme and teaching before we go and scrap the entire heap of defensive players off the roster. I said this leading up to the draft you might recall

    Let’s not say that Kelly/Warren/Sands/Joseph/Boschetti = a solid group of DT’s either though. None of these guys even come close to Wilfork’s talent or production. We ranked 31st against the run last year. I think coaching makes a difference. Question is “how much of a difference?”

  • RaiderRockstar

    You stopped at E so you didn’t have to include Deangelo Hall huh? LOL.

    ***

    No, I just wanted to add Greg Ellis! haha

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Jeez, I was gonna trim trees this weekend but I might reconsider…

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Family of tree trimmer killed by wood chipper sues manufacturer
    1:56 PM | June 18, 2009
    It was just another work day for Rafael Jimenez, a veteran tree trimmer in his 24th year on the job. But as he stuffed branches from the Chinese elm tree into a wood chipper in Inglewood that sunny day in April, Jimenez’s right hand became entangled in the branches and he found himself being jerked toward the steel knives.

    The machine, which devours a 20-inch branch in a second, consumed Jimenez’s hand, then his elbow, his shoulder, and soon his entire self. All that remained were his two feet from the ankle down and a part of his gloved left hand.

    This week, his wife and four children sued the manufacturer of the machine, Michigan-based Morbark, alleging that the company knew for years that its safety features were insufficient and did nothing to prevent injuries and deaths such as Jimenez’s.

  • Raider-405

    Yeah, so I like the signing of Ellis, but DAMN there is no question why he joined the silver and black instead of going to get a ring with the Pats

    That money difference is INSANE!!!
    1 yr at 1.5
    3 yrs at 10 million

    I dont like the signing as much after seeing how we overpaid.

  • OAKlifer

    bottom line is Wilfork may be better than any of the DT’s on our roster…I rember greats like Marcus Allen Joe Montana to name a few that changed teams and I’m sure it had nothing to do with cap….If a “great” player wants out or lik BSJ said they have younger less expensive options or just plain want the guy out of town….Dosnt mean they have no skills and were let go for thier attitude it could have been anything!!!and Post 168 1st paragraph says it all!!! we neet TALENT at all spots…whats one mans garbage is another mans GOLD……..

    KOOL _AID Flow’in!!!!!!!!

  • M Lonetree

    Vegas,

    all things come to pass.

    you ever go out to Valley of Fire State Park? beautiful area, nice campground, modern showers, barbecue grills, good hikes, few people.

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    yup, client complained, she gave me “discretion” awhile back, and than when it didn’t work in her favor, she complained. Hopefully she won’t sue, but I think the firm is going to move on.

    My firm merged with another 6 months ago, and they have been trimming cost ever since. Had a job on the trading desk packaging and marketing structured products and they cut that from me a few months ago. since that was about half my pay, it’s time to move on. Maybe go work for the IRS, just sent in my resume.

  • jhill

    VW may not be a bum, but if he was remotely the player some of you think he was then why is he on his way out of NE? That point just can not be dismissed. They are not even willing to sit down with this guy as evidenced by the Brace pick.

    Think his pro bowl appearnce might have something to do with him playing for the Pats?

    Honestly, I’d rather have one of their draft picks for Burgess than Wilfork. Our current group of DTs could absolutely be called solid. Get those guys a 4th DT in the rotation and some DEs and LBs with some physical attributes, and that 31st run defense will improve by leaps and bounds.

  • OAKlifer

    Raider-405 Says:
    June 19th, 2009 at 9:18 am
    Yeah, so I like the signing of Ellis, but DAMN there is no question why he joined the silver and black instead of going to get a ring with the Pats

    That money difference is INSANE!!!
    1 yr at 1.5
    3 yrs at 10 million

    *************************************
    EVERY MAN PLAYS FOR THE HARDWARE……with a few exceptions and I’m sure over Ellis’s 7yr Stint in the NFL he has $$$$$$$ you know what he really wants IS TO WIN!!!!!! The pats have an injured Qauterback and lost every bit of SWAGGER the NFL handed them in the “SNOWJOB” They are done running the AFC it’s going to be the new regime!!! like the OAK-towns and miami’s of the world are comin up!!!!!!!!

    KOOL AID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    read it… breath it…. live it!!!!

    PLAYOFF BOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Valley of Fire is beautiful, and usuall 10+ degrees cooler than the city. Haven’t been in a few years.

    Great thing about being canned, go to Albuquerque in a few hours to spend Father Days with Father-in-Law. Nothing like being pretty much unemployed around the in-laws, LOL.

  • OAKlifer

    jhill,

    Get those guys a 4th DT in the rotation and some DEs and LBs with some physical attributes, and that 31st run defense will improve by leaps and bounds.
    **************************************************

    Like Ray Lewis always said give ME A REAL DT so i can do my job….our run defense will not improve if our current group of DT’s play like they have in recent years you know how hard it is to make a play from ou LB postion when we have FB and RB and other lead blockers runnig full steam at them???HARD!!!! almost impossible. Hence our last ranked run D….Again we need “TALENT” ant the DT spot….none of our guys show that.imho….or we wouldnt be having this convo..on last point…If Marcus allen wasnt complete garbage then why didnt we retain him??? I man we should have at least sat down woth him right…there is always an underlinning issue…not just $$$$ or talent!

    PLAY OFF BOUND!!!!!!!

  • http://atm Raider O

    Good morning Nation.

    Vegas,

    I’m sorry to hear that bro, maybe it’s time to start working for yourself.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    You sound quite capable of handling the change Vegas.

    Not to trivialize, but your situation again illustrates that employers let go of good personnel for a variety of reasons. Many of which are not related to the skill and potential of an employee.

    My prediction? Vegas will make the Pro Bowl in 2010.

  • OAKlifer

    Our current group of DTs could absolutely be called solid.

    but if he was remotely the player some of you think he was then why is he on his way out of NE?

    These two point are counter dictive..imo

    we would not be having this disscusion if we thought our DT’s were solid…

    PLAY OFF BOUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

  • M Lonetree

    BoSJack,

    I’ve been around plenty of people in various trades who, over time and familiarity, lost respect for the fact that were working with tools that could kill them. Don’t know Jimenez’ story but…

    Rockstar,

    my father’s side of the family were coal diggers in Wales going back into the mists of time. In fact, when one of them finally crawled up out of the pit long enough to take a boat to this continent he promptly looked for another coal hole to crawl into in the Midwest. My father himself was the very first family male NOT to do this (his brothers did). There has to be a name for such lack of insight, lack of imagination and superlative ignorance. And it is my heritage. :)

  • OAKlifer

    WHAT UP O,

    good mornin brother!!!!!

    Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    June 19th, 2009 at 9:32 am
    You sound quite capable of handling the change Vegas.

    Not to trivialize, but your situation again illustrates that employers let go of good personnel for a variety of reasons. Many of which are not related to the skill and potential of an employee.

    My prediction? Vegas will make the Pro Bowl in 2010.

    SAYS IT ALL good luck to you vegas!!!

    PLAYOFF BOUND!!!!!

  • http://atm Raider O

    My prediction:

    Vegas will have his own business.

    if you need partners or investors, let me know. lol

  • jhill

    I’m sure our DTs are saying “GET ME A REAL MLB” so y ou can see that I AM doing my job!

  • http://blstb.msn.com/i/55/90A2853B6CFBCC2AFC987BB18B832.jpg vegas raider

    Thanks, BSJ. I guess I’m a Free Agent. Don’t tell Al, he might throw a ton of cash at me if he knew I could cold-call 400+ calls a day. That should roughly be the equivalent of a 4.41 forty.

    Anyone see the NFL live show yesterday on ESPN, or more importantly the last 30 seconds? They mentioned the Russell private workout with WR’s thing, said it was a good sign and moved on to D-Mac should breakout this year. Refreshing to hear Golic and Eric Allen say something positive, must have been like pulling teeth. If STink were there he would have had something smart to say I’m sure.

  • Dude

    ESPN segment asked who is more likely NOT to be a bust, Russell or McFadden. They both picked McFadden(shocker) and neither said anything about a breakout year. But why let the facts get in the way of a good story?