Raiders’ offseason: What we know
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, June 19th, 2009 at 12:03 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Things we learned about the 2009 Raiders from their mandatory minicamp through public organized team activity sessions as they go their separate ways until reporting to the Napa Marriott on July 29:
– JaMarcus Russell, passing struggles or not, is the starting quarterback. Never underestimate the ability of football fans to break into factions supporting one or the other _ Jeff Garcia already has his supporters.
A front line veteran even asked me if I thought there was a chance Garcia could end up starting.
The answer? Not unless Russell does a faceplant of major proportions. The Raiders passing game is still evolving with a new coordinator and quarterback coach, and Russell’s last six games of the 2008 season carry considerably more weight than some shaky non-contact practices.
– The deeper pass routes which Tom Cable said will be a part of the 2009 Raiders never manifested themselves in a public setting. Perhaps Russell and Co. were lighting it up at the other two-thirds of the OTAs where the media wasn’t present, but that’s not the way to bet.
– For the most part, the Darren McFadden who took the field for the Raiders as a rookie was a shell of himself. The explosion is back, and the things McFadden ought to be able to accomplish catching passes out of the backfield and in the slot should give the Raiders something to hang their hat on in the passing game until the deep game comes around.
McFadden and Michael Bush, who looks imposing and swift in no-contact situations, give the Raiders two backs who can do some real damage in the passing game.
– Darrius Heyward-Bey and Mike Mitchell are well behind the curve.
The two guys who needed the offseason the most accomplished the least through no fault of their own. For Heyward-Bey, it was a hamstring issue that’s gone on for some five weeks. If it’s any consolation for Raiders fans, the 49ers Michael Crabtree hasn’t practiced at all as a stress fracture heals.
For Mitchell, it’s the NFL rule which wouldn’t allow him to participate until school was out at Ohio University, as well as a hamstring issue.
– Many Raiders actually believe voluntary minicamps are voluntary. Derrick Burgess wasn’t around, of course, but at various times Raiders such as Nnamdi Asomugha, Chris Johnson, Tommy Kelly, Terdell Sands, Jeff Garcia and Michael Huff said thanks, but no thanks.
As for Shane Lechler and Sebastian Janikowski . . . fore!
Garcia missed because of the birth of his son. Asomugha can be excused because he was the best player on the field every moment he was there.
– If Burgess isn’t traded, he ought to be prepared for fewer snaps as a pass rush specialist. Greg Ellis moved directly into the starting lineup at left end and according to the Dallas Morning News got a three-year contract worth $10 million.
This could be a good thing. A fresh Burgess looking for a big salary next season would produce double-digit sacks.
– Don’t worry about Zach Miller. Miller had sports hernia surgery in the offseason, but when he returned, he looked as good and as sure-handed as ever. He should catch 60-plus passes this season.
– Lane who?
Cable did his best to separate himself from the Kiffin regime. The first mandatory minicamp was the day the music died. No more stereo system playing rock, rap and the occasional country tunes. Cable talked up the signing of Lorenzo Neal a year or so after Kiffin said the veteran didn’t fit the zone blocking scheme. He stayed with the program, holding dear all things Raider.
– Cooper Carlisle will fight to regain his form of two years ago. The Raiders best lineman in 2007, Carlisle wasn’t nearly as good in 2008. He got in a pair of offseason scrapes, one with Ricky Brown and the other with Tyvon Branch.
– Chaz Schilens is the Raiders best wide receiver. Considering durability was an issue as a rookie, it’s at least a minor concern Schilens couldn’t participate in the final OTA, but he showed plenty in earlier sessions. He’s a go-up-and-get it receiver who should be the go-to guy should Russell get enough time to throw on third-and-long.
– Jon Alston is bigger, but apparently not any slower. Alston has been the strong side starter all offseason and weighs more than 230 pounds after finishing last season at 214.
– Cable wants to control the message as much as he does the playing field. Al Davis prefers but does not insist on assistant coaches refraining from talking to the media. His head coaches have done it both ways.
He hired two new coordinators, passing game coordinator Ted Tollner and defensive coordinator John Marshall, both who have long NFL resumes and have managed to avoid saying anything controversial for virtually their entire careers.
Neither man was approved to talk on the record to the media, which I assume will happen at training camp. That’s pretty much how it was handled in the late stages of the Bill Callahan regime as well as the Art Shell redux.
Works great for Bill Belichick, though.
Heck, even Cleveland’s Capt. Queeg, Eric Mangini, allowed Rob Ryan to talk with the media recently.
Coming soon: What we don’t know
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June 19th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
pure luck
June 19th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
June 19th, 2009 at 11:40 am
GOTTA LOVE THOSE PATRIOTIC DAKOTANS!
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Obama statue turns heads in Rapid City
RAPID CITY — A 20-foot statue of President Barack Obama has been turning heads in downtown Rapid City.
Sculptor David Adickes has been working on the statue since the day Obama was elected president. It’s to go on display at Mount Rushmore beginning at 10 a.m. today
The grand unveiling for the Obama statue will be on July 4 at Presidents’ Park near Lead, which Adickes owns.
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Don’t you have to accomplish something before you get a statue? Jezuz cripes what a joke.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Jerry
Anything you write can and will be used against you by the rest of the media.
P.S. Tim Kawakami is a Raider Hating jerk
June 19th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
Russell’s last six games of the 2008 season carry considerably more weight than some shaky non-contact practices.
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This part of the post says it all. Right here
June 19th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Thanks Jerry, enjoy the longest 6 weeks of the year for us faithful posters and readers
Long live The Greatness
June 19th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Chaz Schilens is the Raiders best wide receiver. Considering durability was an issue as a rookie, it’s at least a minor concern Schilens couldn’t participate in the final OTA, but he showed plenty in earlier sessions. He’s a go-up-and-get it receiver who should be the go-to guy should Russell get enough time to throw on third-and-long.
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And he also has the same speed as DHB. That’s your number 1 receiver right there.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Raider O,
This is the new hype music for the defense and our DC
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BD1FYDOM4Ts
June 19th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
If Chaz is so good why did we select a WR with the #7 pick? Why not select a tackle to help get the ball to Chaz, Miller, McFadden and Bush?
June 19th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Dakota,
Getting elected to be the ruler of the free world is not an accomplishment?
June 19th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Asomugha can be excused because he was the best player on the field every moment he was there.
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False. the leader of the defense needs to set the example and show up for every meeting and film session. If he knows all there is to know about the defense under new coaches John Marshall and Lionel Washington maybe he can pass along some tips to his teammates. Isn’t that what leaders do? They make the other players around them better.
Chris Johnson, Tommy Kelly, Terdell Sands and Michael Huff should have been there every minute. How is Nnamdi going to get on them, when he’s not even there himself?
Branch and/or Mitchell will be starting this year at safety. Who are they going to learn from? Hiram Eugene & Keith Davis?
to be fair, we don’t know exactly why these guys missed voluntary work at OTA’s … but the excuse should have been something urgent or drastic (which I doubt was the case with Burgess or Asomugha)
June 19th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
666,
Of course becoming prez is a personal accomplishment, but he hasn’t earned it yet as president. Give him a few years to see if he can actually do anything as president, and then hook him up with a statue.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Dakota Says:
June 19th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
If Chaz is so good why did we select a WR with the #7 pick? Why not select a tackle to help get the ball to Chaz, Miller, McFadden and Bush?
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Because he couldn’t find a Tackle who could run a 4.3 Forty. What the hell are you thinking?
June 19th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Sorry couldn’t resist.
I have a bad feeling these hamstring “issues” for DHB are going to be a lingering problem throughout the year.
Excited for what JLH and Chaz can produce in a full season together, and no doubt those two should be with Jamarcus whenever they are going to do their off-site thing. Was thinking about what type of parallel comparisions for the two and I came up with John Taylor (sorry but couldn’t think of a better one) for JLH. Both were electric after the catch and great punt-returners. For Chaz the best I could do was Chad Johnson, minus the tude. Not many short passes or deep balls but a bunch of 16, 17 yard tough catches over the middle.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
vegas raider Says:
June 19th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Is the Obama statue in Dakota going to come with his teleprompters?
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Bush used them too, just with much smaller words. And it scrolled a lot slower.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Obama has already accomplished something great. He’s restored America’s good name!
June 19th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Great post Jerry, keep up the good work sir.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
I wish Jerry would have given a confirmation of Turdell’s silhouette so in Napa we can see how much he has gained and gauge his commitment to conditioning.
Reminds me of Fridge Perry. Very effective at 325, a menace to the team at 380.
June 19th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
KK,
Maybe not restored, but working hard on it. I believe in Obama, good or bad Prez, he will change things!
June 19th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Raider Dell Says:
June 18th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
909
Found the chat, thanks!
My favorite answer from Jerry:
“Laker talk (dakota) or sports talk (everyone) not a big deal, (here comes the mod hammer) as long as profanities (no-co bob) religion, politics (Raider TW KK, Dakota, Madden Raider, BSJ, LMN, etc..) personal insults (mistabrown, Oakglenn, dude, and many others) and all other fun stuff that goes are kept under control”.
Jery covered it all,except woman talk (24) and blues talk (Raiderdogg, SNB666, Raider Dell, Vegas Raider) and let me add just be polite and pleasant like Raider O.
So we no our limits until training camp, let’s have fun talking about ??????????
June 19th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
KK,
Change is much needed now!! After GWB, Obama has a lot to restore! IMHO
June 19th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Dell,
Thank you sir.
Tell me, how did it go with that special Client? Did you close Both deals?lol
June 19th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Raider Dell Says:
June 19th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Raider Dell Says:
June 18th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
909
Found the chat, thanks!
My favorite answer from Jerry:
“Laker talk (dakota) or sports talk (everyone) not a big deal, (here comes the mod hammer) as long as profanities (no-co bob) religion, politics (Raider TW KK, Dakota, Madden Raider, BSJ, LMN, etc..) personal insults (mistabrown, Oakglenn, dude, and many others) and all other fun stuff that goes are kept under control”.
Jery covered it all,except woman talk (24) and blues talk (Raiderdogg, SNB666, Raider Dell, Vegas Raider) and let me add just be polite and pleasant like Raider O.
So we no our limits until training camp, let’s have fun talking about ??????????
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I have a lot of respect for the guy that asked that question Dell. But I can’t believe some clown asked about Southwick!
June 19th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
How is it that Zach Miller can be so good and JaMarcus Russell so lousy?
June 19th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
SnB,
I love it!
June 19th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Don’t you have to accomplish something before you get a statue? Jezuz cripes what a joke
He did He is the 1st prez of Color
June 19th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
I even bet you Dakota that Obama will be the 5th at Mt.Rushmore.ANYONE besides regan or w
June 19th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
How is it that Zach Miller can be so good and JaMarcus Russell so lousy
Now THATS a good question
June 19th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Dell speaking of hot chicks and blues music I still say Elisha Cuthbert is the hottest blond in all of Canada.
http://www.totalprosports.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/01elisha-cuthbert.jpg
I love the Robert Plant Alison Krauss album
June 19th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Obama has color!!!! lol
June 19th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Is white a color?
June 19th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
June 19th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
How is it that Zach Miller can be so good and JaMarcus Russell so lousy?
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Both are tight ends and one is out of position? JK…
I think ANY quarterback who is as raw and uncommunicative as JRUSS will get (unfairly) doubted. Fans and media just expect QBs to be more outgoing. It doesn’t help that the team itself has a reputation for dumb play. And a terrible record of late. And kisses off the press. And just went through some really poor QBs.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
I asked Jerry nine questions yesterday all legitimate ones not being a smart azz at all.
Good questions too not like some of the retarded stuff you see in there (Southwik)
The only one he answered was “how is your sons little league team doing?”
Anyways Yeah Dell I saw the remarks about being politically correct in here. But now what do we do with the Republicans?
June 19th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
Vanderbilly
June 19th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
666,
Post 39, good one. LMAO
June 19th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Art Powell, Warren Wells, and Cliff Branch were all, almost exclusively deep ball threats.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
General Motors to recall 900 workers.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Proving once again that Raiders fans are geniuses.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Dakota,
@59
Still LMAO!! That was great!!
June 19th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
KK,
Post 66,
Why do you think they did that, what was the cause?
June 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Sales have picked up and they’re adding a second shift to one of their plants.
MSNBC
June 19th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
KK,
Don’t answer that!!
I’m sorry, what I really wanted to ask you was: do you think it had anything to do with Obama?
I hate dancing around the topic, I like to be direct.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Too late, but thank you for the info sir.
I will do my best to be more direct with you next time I ask, you were always direct with me.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Dakota:
Don’t you have to accomplish something before you get a statue? Jezuz cripes what a joke.
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Apparently being a Pres. NOT GWB is all you have to do.lol
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Of course becoming prez is a personal accomplishment, but he hasn’t earned it yet as president. Give him a few years to see if he can actually do anything as president, and then hook him up with a statue.
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But you haven’t given him 5 months before you’ve blamed him for most things that are GBW’s fault!!!
lol Chose a mouth & talk out of only one. lol
June 19th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
I won’t credit Obama for it, but the Leading Indicators Indes is up for the 2nd straight month.
http://www.conference-board.org/
June 19th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
[...] Read more. [...]
June 19th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
RaiderTW
Touche. Nice one!
June 19th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
TW,
If you are going to make claims like that you better be ready to post some of my comments that prove I have blamed Obama for anything related to Bush.
I’ll give you an hour….post away.
I’ll bet you can’t find any….because I haven’t blamed Obama for anything yet. The only thing I have said negatively about Obama are some comments about his apologizing all the time for America and his posturing towards the rest of the world.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Okay KK, looks like you can go find some comments too.
I think I have been more than fair towards Obama. Prove me wrong and find where I have blamed a problem on Obama that is a Bush related problem.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Dakota
lol
June 19th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Still waiting….
June 19th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Don’t hold your breath waiting on me. C’mon bro. You know you’re guilty.
June 19th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Maybe I’ll start with Politics next time?
June 19th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
The Chinese are now asking for reparations for treatment during the 19th century.
June 19th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
correction:
Chinese Americans are now asking for reparations for treatment during the 19th century.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
England, sorry about that tea incidnet…here, have Boston and NY back….please.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
If we had been at war with anyone in 1994 I would have joined the military KK. Growing up I always thought we would be at war with the USSR around the time I graduated…damned Reagan.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
June 19th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
There’s a lot of innocent people dead right now in lraq, because of America.
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Got to break some eggs…I am sure no one died under Sadd@m right?
June 19th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I’m considering it. But is that all?
June 19th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
The only apology I want is from Dubya for not looking for his family friend & business pard Os@ma! didn’t even start to look for 2 months then quit. Hasn’t he seen any Clint e@stwood movies? They kill your wife, kids & family you track him down & k!ll that mofo.
June 19th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
and how did you know Obama brought th wall down???
June 19th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
So we are tenth in HDI, whatever that means, bummer, I wish we were number 1. So there is a major disparity in wealth…right, it is called capitalism. Companies make money, workers make a salary. What do you want KK, all of us to make the same wages?
June 19th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
Why do you side with the rich? Tax breaks for the 2% free health care for Washington on our hard earned money. You can’t work hard when you don’t have a job!
June 19th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
What I know: Jamarcus is improving, yet his long ball sucks! DHB, is a track dude playing football, not a football guy that runs track. Tommy Kelly and Turdell Sands got paid, thus no show at voluntairies…Love Nnamdi, hated he missed OTAs…We are yet to stop Ladanian, holding my breath for opener….
June 19th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
4eva, Jimmy Page has lost a few steps nowdays but Beck still going strong. Page has a movie out with Jack White, Edge, looks good.
June 19th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Javon’s going to have a productive year…if he stays healthy…
June 19th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
DHB’s hamstring sore for 5 weeks?
I hope he’s not one of those guys always with hamstring problems.
June 19th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
yep all great guitarist thats 4sure.I think as a guitar rock-n-roll work,Physical Graffiti is it.The guitar is soo complex in it’s simplicity
June 19th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
It’s funny how Dakota’s exiting from this forum is almost synonymous with the return of actual Football talk on this blog. What a concept.
June 19th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
I didnt say that
June 19th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
4eva, I agree about Physical Graffiti my favorite LZ albums just because it’s twice as many songs. But to see JB play so nimbly with his fingers & no pick is incredible. I’ve seen JB every time he’s been to Denver since 1980. Wish I could have seen this last incarnation of LZ.
June 19th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
D H B – C U T
June 19th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Sorry,but I get home looking for RAIDER talk and get the BS OB lovers,so I just had to chime in,people are catching on,check out the polls,but on a final note,RAIDERS!!!!!!out
June 19th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
More and more people are jumping on the DMC bandwagon. Also more are seeing the light concerning Russell and it wont be long before the media locally and nationally do the same.
The consternation about the DT’s rages on. Our DT’s are subpar and everyone else’s are great or at least better. How many times have you heard that about our player before he goes somewhere else and plays well. I remember when Langston Walker shuldn’t have been in the NFL. Well he’s been the starting RT in Buffalo since he left. Washington and Buchanan were 1st rnd bust only they’re starting for winning teams. Tyler Brayton was an embarrassment to the profession, until he got to Carolina.
I’ve read this stuff in here for 3 years and now Fargas, Warren, Sands are all subpar players that couldn’t start anywhere else………until they do. They are UT’s that can’t stop the run.
I have some questions for the GM’s in here. What defensive line would you rather have NYG or Pat’s? And which one has better stats and which one doesn’t have a traditional NG? Where does the Pat’s defense rank vs the run with great Wilfork?
I just think that peple in here get to caught up in their own agendas forget they aren’t in film sessions and aren’t privy to what the coaches were asking the players to do. That they don’t know what scheme the coaches want to run and what they want the players to do.
Every team has it’s points of emphasis and what Marshall wants from this defense ONLY the coaches and players know. If they fail then we can second guess as we did Ryan. Who some in here swear is so stupid he shouldn’t be in the league. So we’ll see…
This is a very tough business and even the best coaches and players fail. The demands as even Jerry agreed can weed out great players. Injuries, life in general and personal issues deal severe blows.
But they also provide opportunity for Chaz and T Scott to seize. No one knows until you know for sure.
To the point though it’s very presumptuous to say definitively what they should do without being as informed as the coaches.
June 19th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Answer: the Pat’s were 15th vs the run with the great Wilfork and they had the 5th best offense to support it. What would they have been with OUR offense?
The NYG had the 9th best defense vs the run with the 7th best offense to support it. What would they have been with our offense especially without a traditional NG which EVERYONE seems to believe is the panacea for great run defense.
This is my point the run is stopped with discipline and attention to detail. An offense that can score points and force teams to be one dimensional helps the run defense tremendously.
Sure it takes talent but let’s see what happens when we can score the ball and put some pressure on opposing teams.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
That Rob Ryan presser sums everything up. That moron couldn’t even stay with the mic on the podium, let alone stay with opposing offensive game planning. Good riddance TARD.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Go Go Garcia!!!! Take us home Dude
June 19th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Yeah he’ll do just that, take you home, just you and him alone..
Somehow Ryan’s still a DC in the NFL for the Browns. Yeah he’s terrible.
You guy’s are just beautiful.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Dell,
I will miss you sir. I enjoy reading your posts, and I consider you a friend.
Enjoy your time with family and friends, and I look forward to reading your posts again soon.
Take care.
June 19th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
BHP,
You make a great point, the Giants don’t have a traditional NG. They are still good against the run. I never thought about it that way.
See, that’s why I like you. I don’t agree with everything you say, but you give me a lot to think about and research.
June 20th, 2009 at 12:00 am
Good night BHP, and later Nation.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:12 am
Another post deleted,guess Im /we are dealing with a BO MOD,another form of telling us what we should think,or say
June 20th, 2009 at 3:45 am
Good Saturday Morning NATION!!!
June 20th, 2009 at 6:32 am
Crap it’s early! Whatup smellas?
June 20th, 2009 at 6:58 am
[...] deep passing routes touted by the Raiders didn’t make many appearances during [...]
June 20th, 2009 at 7:15 am
What’s up fellas Dmac 20+TD running and catching yeah !
June 20th, 2009 at 7:36 am
I’m good with that
June 20th, 2009 at 8:21 am
DHB’s season = 6 catches for 45 yards, and no TDs. He wont be healthy enough to see the field for the majority of the season, and when he is he will be an absolute non factor.
Crabtree’s season= 60 catches for 750 yards and 8 TDs.
…thanks Al.
June 20th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Voldemort,
6 catches for 45 yards? I think you are being too hard on the kid….Regardless, your point is taken…I think he gets somewhere between 20 and 30 catches for the year. He will not be a big contributor.
The Raiders didn’t need to pick a WR at number 7. Chaz Schilens and Johnnie Lee Higgins are going to show themselves to be credible receivers. I see Chaz with 70 catches for 900 to 1100 yds and I see JLH getting around 50 catches.
Louis Murphy is more NFL ready then DHB and will contribute, as will a rejuvenate Javon Walker.
DHB has a great attitude but I think he’s been thrusted into a difficult situation. He’ll be protected from the media and allowed to develop at his own pace. Fortunately for him, the Raiders tend to be a patient team with high draft picks.
Chaz and JLH will be the starters. McFadden, Walker and Murphy will provide an additional punch in the receiving game. Miller will have a pro-bowl caliber season.
DHB ran a 4.2 40. You know he’s going to be a Raider.
For better or for worse
June 20th, 2009 at 9:07 am
hey Voldemort,what are tonites winning numbers =)
June 20th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Crabtree can’t get on the field either. Murphy could be the wild card in receivers we line up if DHB is limited with injury.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:13 am
I can drink a 4.2 40, can i be on the team?
June 20th, 2009 at 9:14 am
hahahahahaaaa
June 20th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Does the signing of Ellis signal the trade of Burgess or does it just deepen the roster on defense? I think the latter. We were thin last year on the d-line and wore down late in games.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:25 am
I agree Lynn,altho I would get rid of Dburg but…if he plays lites out the gamble works and we might get a 2nd 4 him
June 20th, 2009 at 9:27 am
the gaytriots come 2 mind again as they have a ton of picks and may want 2 swap picks 4 vets
June 20th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Thats the problem . what would we get for him and its a contract year (double digit sacks) I think we need the depth to compete in the division.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Burgess will only be traded if the Raiders can get a 3rd rounder or higher. I think they should keep Burgess and have a good DE rotation with Ellis, Burgess, Scott, Richardson and Shaughnessy.
Ellis can play the run and is a full time DE
Burgess & Scott can be excellent pass rushers
Richardson is a run stopper
Shaugnessy will need time to develop
June 20th, 2009 at 9:34 am
The Randy Moss trade comes to mind when i hear the Pats and that was a no win deal.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Lynn,
The Raiders were short-sighted. Why not make the Moss trade a conditional trade based on production.
Kiffin was arrogant to think he could win with Jerry Porter and Ronald Curry at wide receiver.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:36 am
true Lynn but that just kills me.When they say a player plays better in a contract year,2 me that means hes doggin it the other years of his contract,ie a slacker lazy out 4 himself no good do nothing =)
June 20th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Getting Ellis kind of makes up for not drafting a D lineman in the first two rounds. I was hoping we drafted defense defense defense but , Ellis is an improvement.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Good Morning.
I would hope if nothing else Raider fans will now see that any issues we experience this year are the result of poor player performance and not poor coaching.
At best coaching is 20 percent of the game any way.
We have solid experienced assistants.(We can not blame Ryan any more). Those that want to criticize Cable need to first look at the players.
My concerns:
Mitchell is a DB. He will NOT impact our run defense.
He is not playing Ball St. Kelly, Sands and Warren will get crushed by good Olines and balanced attacks.
Mitchell like Wilson will spent much of his time on his butt five yards off the line of scrimmage asssuming he beats out Branch.
Our Dline is the biggest weakness on our team and this was not addressed in the draft. Ellis can help but our DT’s are pathetic.
DHB is a project. We will run the ball first and use that to set up the pass. We were down by 10 to Tampa with 11 minutes left and we ran the ball.
Forget any vertical game. Bush and Dmac out of the backfield plus the run will be 70% of our offense.
JR was not a four year starter at LSU. He is way behind the likes of the Manning’s etc coming out of college. He is not going to be put into third and longs to get blasted on seven step drop pass plays.
He needs at least another two years of PLAYING to become a real difference maker.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:42 am
I guess thats just human nature (GREED) in todays athlete. Who knows what they were thinking regarding the Moss deal unless they wanted to cut the cancer out as soon as possible.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:43 am
The Raiders don’t draft D-Lineman with high draft picks. Look at their current roster of players:
Burgess: Free Agent
Scott: 6th round pick
Warren: Free Agent
Sands: Free Agent
Kelly: Undrafted Rookie Free Agent
Gunheim: Undrafted Rookie Free Agent
Ellis: Free Agent
Shaughnessy: 3rd Round Pick
Richardson: 5th Round Pick
Slowak: 6th Round Pick
Harvard Kid: Undrafted Free Agent
Broschetti: Free Agent
Gray: Undrafed Free Agent
June 20th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Jerry says:
“A fresh Burgess looking for a big salary next season would produce double-digit sacks.”
That’s what I am thinking too.
“Jon Alston is bigger, but apparently not any slower. Alston has been the strong side starter all offseason and weighs more than 230 pounds after finishing last season at 214.”
I am expecting some big plays out of this guy in 2009. He will open many eyes.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:50 am
If Ellis sticks at the left side I wonder if they might move Burgess to the right side so they can both be on the field @ the same time.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:52 am
any good DT’s in the next draft???
June 20th, 2009 at 9:52 am
I am not excited about the defense at all. They are going to have to show me at this point.
Its all about the offense. I think the offense is going to be the story this year.
I just HOPE the defense can play better in the 4th QTR.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:54 am
4evaRaider Says:
June 20th, 2009 at 9:52 am
any good DT’s in the next draft???
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Doesn’t matter. Run defense is not the focus of the Raiders. They are a Indy Colts type defense. Put points on the board offensively and force the opponent not to run the ball. Then use speed on the DEs and in secondary to stop the pass.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Voldermort, if what you predict is true thats not going to make or break our season. We have other weapons to produce TD’s. Bush, DMAC, Shilens, JLH, Miller, maybe Walker. Thats a nice list!
Fargas hasnt produced TD’s in 3 years are you ok with his lack of production in that area or just Bey’s ?
# Voldemort Says:
June 20th, 2009 at 8:21 am
DHB’s season = 6 catches for 45 yards, and no TDs. He wont be healthy enough to see the field for the majority of the season, and when he is he will be an absolute non factor.
Crabtree’s season= 60 catches for 750 yards and 8 TDs.
…thanks Al.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:57 am
SnB why arent you excited about Marshall after the Rob Ryan dreadful years ?
June 20th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Mistabrown Says:
June 20th, 2009 at 9:50 am
If Ellis sticks at the left side I wonder if they might move Burgess to the right side so they can both be on the field @ the same time.”
I highly doubt it. Burgess has insisted throughout his entire career that he plays LDE. He has outright refused to play on the right side. I bet Ellis would have better luck against a team’s LT anyway, Burgess isn’t strong enough to be facing a team’s LT all game long and he knows it.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:03 am
I just don’t buy the idea that simply changing out the coaches is going to result in a miraculous turnaround. I also believe that Ryan is getting too much of burden….
Ryan should be blamed for play calling. That was poor. But I doubt he had much say in the players given to him. I doubt he was behind the lack of pressure put on the QB. I also know that he is a 34 coordinator and yet they ran a 43. There was a reason why Davis let Ryan stay through his contract and through 4 head coaches. I believe Ryan was trying to work within some pretty rigid standards passed down to him by Davis. Davis never has a problem firing coaches…yet Ryan survived for SIX YEARS?!?
That is not to say I don’t think Marshall will help or be an improvement. Marshall is a 43 defensive coordinator. That alone is an improvement over Ryan. Also, Marshall knows what he’s got and did not come into this position with any misconceptions.
But still. A run defense of 31st is just plain bad. You don’t rehab that overnight when you are keeping the same talent and the same scheme. THey might improve to 26th or so…but don’t look for an elite run defense.
And there in lies the problem. This schedule is chock full of teams that run the ball really well and like to run the ball. That front 7 is going to be put to the test against some very physical/big offensive lines
June 20th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Dogg !!!
We hadnt heard from you so we thought you just sailed AWAY!!!
June 20th, 2009 at 10:07 am
4eva
I was sailing across the Devil’s Sea. It’s hard to get an internet signal out there.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:10 am
the Dragons Triangle or the Bermuda Triangle???
June 20th, 2009 at 10:14 am
Ryan is 2 blame for the lack of discipline, you can ad that to his poor half time adjustments.
Marshall has been in the league way too long and been successful. He wont be told what 2 do IMO.
I’m looking forward to seeing the defense improve to around 18-20.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Metastopholis’ trapazoid.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:15 am
have a nice Saturday NATION ENJOY !!!
June 20th, 2009 at 10:16 am
RaiderTW Says:
June 20th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Metastopholis’ trapazoid.”
lol
You read my mind.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:16 am
Rob Ryan put Warren Sapp at DE is because Sapp is not a 3/4 NT. He is a penetrator. In a 34 he would be the 5-tech DE….in a 4/3 he is the 3-tech UT.
Because the Raiders don’t place much of a premium on acquiring D-Lineman that are big and excel at holding the point and clog lanes…..the 3/4 experiement in Oakland was destined to fail. The Raiders then go to the 4/3 defense with a focus on pass defense and speed. THat’s not Rob Ryan’s style of play. Again Ryan’s playcalling was terrible. But his philosophy doesn’t mesh with Davis’
Not a slam on Davis or Ryan for that matter. Its just the way it is.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:17 am
Right back at you 4eva
have a daquiri for me bro, maybe fire up the grill. I have some steaks marinating myself.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Mistabrown,
The lack of discipline comes from bad players. Offsides, missing tackles….missed assignments…that’s bad players. I doubt that Ryan didn’t coach tackling or gap discipline…he’s an NFL caliber coach.
I don’t think this is about slamming Ryan or assigning blame. The Raider defensive players have been given another opportunity to prove themselves. Let’s just see what happens.
I am just keeping my expectations tempered for now. Not hating…just keeping my expectations in check
June 20th, 2009 at 10:21 am
SnB
See my post on 102.
I again believe we are on the same page.
The only hope I have is:
Cable/Davis are focusing on high caliber people to put on this team.
We are building the team from the outside in as you have described many times.(Not my preference). If this is part of a five year plan fine. That would mean that the Dline/Oline would be a focus in next year’s draft.
If we get lucky and our Oline gels with the FA pickups our defense gets better by default. Our run defense is pathetic and a dose of NFC east this year is the worst thing that could happen to us.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Good morning gents.
DHB:I think DHB will have 35+ catches for over 500 yards.
Chaz: 60+ catches for 750 yards
JLH: 50+ catches for 700 yards
Miller: 80 catches for 900+
DMC: 50 catches for 500 yards.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Mistabrown,
I also think you are putting a lot of pressure on Marshall. He didn’t exactly leave his last position on his own. He wasn’t retained.
Again, not saying he’s a bad coach or anything…but let’s not have him up there with defensive minds like Rex Ryan, Jeff Fisher or Jim Johnson either.
No new talent…same philosophy…but more attenttion to detail and focus….okay…that says to me we might see some modest improvement in 2009…
June 20th, 2009 at 10:25 am
I don’t have any faith in Walker, how many guys get better this many years after their best days , the broncos knew he was washed up and we should have been smarter I don’t even want this cancer around are young guys what can he teach them and I sure as hell wouldn’t hit the clubs with him.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:31 am
NMF,
CB C Johnson!! lol
June 20th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Charlie,
Yeah, I agree with the gist of your post 102. Although I think Mike Mitchell will be playing free safety.
Cable has convinced Davis to focus more on character players….that’s been clear as Davis realizes his free agent binge last year was a complete disaster…of course Cable did bring in Harris.
However, the Raiders have a philosophy that will not break. The Raiders are not going to spend a high draft pick on front 7 players. Not going to happen. The 1st round is for the best all around athlete. That player is usually going to be a RB, WR or defensive back. If the Raiders draft high next year…that pick will be Taylor Mays or a rush defensive end. THe Raiders won’t draft a linebacker in the 1st round.
If DHB wasn’t available in the draft this year…the Raiders probably draft Brian Orakpo or Jeremy Maclin.
The Raider defensive philosophy can work…but you need an offense to score points…because the defense can’t stop the run…and you need more pressure on the QB…notably from the defensive ends because of the lack of different looks and less blizing.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:48 am
SnB
The hallmark of all great Raider teams has been great offensive lines.
I do agree that the best defense is a great offense but the really good Raider teams all had consistent playmakers on the Dlines.
When you go back over the years the Raiders have spent first round picks on DT’s. Not often but it does happen.(Darrell Russell, Bob Buchowski etc.)
What I think we are seeing is draft the elite skill guys that you refer to when you are drafting in the top ten.(Build from the outside in).
When you start drafting after finishing at 8-8 we can then go after line talent in the first and second rounds.
June 20th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Our DTs are just fine!
Let’s take the most bashed guy Sands, for example. If we had accepted the Giants trade request last season, and he’s playing on the best Dline in football, you would not hear 1 Giants fan talking bad about him the way some of you do.
Gerrard Warren is sooo bad that got ANOTHER fat contract from Denver …. AFTER playing for them a year. He got traded to us b/c he was a “headcase”, not because he was a stiff/. CMON!
Can we at least see Tommy Kelly at 100%?
Oor LDE Burgess has been NOTHING for how long? An occasional sack? an occasional big game?
Kalimba Edwards was so good he got cut. Has anyone signed him yet, by the way?
EVERYONE on this board agrees that Morrison is not the answer at MLB and should at least be moved to SLB.
We can stop right there and have 3 undisputed …. UNDISPUTED holes in the front 7, yet you want to talk about the DTs being responsible for the run defense being 31st? Show me another team with 3 holes in their front 7, and they are probably 30th!
June 20th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
EVERYONE on this board agrees that Morrison is not the answer at MLB and should at least be moved to SLB.
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Not everyone.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Ray Lewis is a fan of Kirk Morrison.
Al Davis is invested in his DT’s, and so are Al Davis’ fans.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
I like Kirk at MLB, but he needs a Dline. LBs are as good as their Dline!!! IMHO
Later Nation.
June 20th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
John Madden says, ” To run the ball effectively you have to control the Nose Tackle”
June 20th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Ok, KK …
You’re position is that Morrison is a good NFL MLB?
That’s at least debateable. But I’ll table that for now.
I don’t see you disputing the other 2 holes in the front 7. How do you feel about the other OLB spot?
ANd even if we stop at 2, show me another team that has 2 holes in it’s front 7 that are not at the bottom of the league in rush defense.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
John Madden says, ” To run the ball effectively you have to control the Nose Tackle.”
He goes on to say, “But why would you try and knock the wall down when the windows are wide open?”
June 20th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Jhill
The Run D has been bad for years. John Madden says the Run d is predicated on the Nose Tackle. I agree our DE’s are not stout either. But,again the Tackles are primary. And I don’t know why people want to point fingers everywhere but there.
June 20th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Ray Lewis is a fan of Kirk Morrison. Enuff said.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
KoolKell wears adult diapers Enuff said.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
And your mama loves em.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Silver-N-Black666, your band sucks.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
I hope you were high when you came up with the name Cosmic Dance for your band.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Kirk must play better Kell I’m sure you can admit that
June 20th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Silver-n-Black666 Says:
June 20th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
KoolKell wears adult diapers Enuff said.
Wow that is mean
June 20th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Dwaine Board has joined The Oakland Raiders coaching staff as the defensive line coach. Board, who tutored the defensive line with the Seattle Seahawks from 2003-08, previously served 23 seasons with the San Francisco 49ers, 10 as a player and 13 as an assistant coach. In 19 seasons as a coach, Board has sent players to 10 Pro Bowls and has coached one NFL Defensive Player of the Year.
From 2005-07, Board’s linemen helped Seattle rank second in the NFL with 136 sacks. His group generated 36 sacks in 2004, and in 2005, his unit contributed 32.5 of Seattle’s NFL-leading 50 sacks on the season. They also allowed just one 100-yard rusher, set the franchise mark by allowing only 94.4 rushing yards per game (5th in the NFL) and ranked second in the NFL by allowing only five rushing touchdowns.
Board made an immediate impact in his first season, helping improve Seattle’s run defense from last in the NFL to 19th in 2003, the second-greatest turnaround in the NFL behind New England. He also helped the club rank fourth in the NFC and seventh in the NFL with 41 sacks.
June 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Skinny
Ray Lewis says Kirk Morrison is a up and coming MLB.
What else is there to say?
June 20th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Charged Up Says:
June 20th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Silver-N-Black666, your band sucks.
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2 years your team will be struggling worse than last year. They may have one more year of competing, but after that a KC and Denver rebuild begins.
Invested too much to keep that team from 2-3 yrs ago together.
Injuries are going to loom larger and larger too.
June 20th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
June 20th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
Skinny
Ray Lewis says Kirk Morrison is a up and coming MLB.
What else is there to say?
Well you can say his tackling is average at best and that he over pursues too much. I want him to do well but when I look at other MLBs the one thing that I notice is the ability to shut a play off with immediate contact
June 20th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Ha, a charger fan has the nerve to show up in here? What’s the point I just don’t understand it.
June 20th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
April 20, 2006: Lewis vents his frustration about not having space-eating defensive tackles in front of him that would allow him to roam free to make tackles. “The issue is: Are you going to let me do what I do?” he asked. “And if not, let me go.” Nine days later, the Ravens draft 340-pound defensive tackle Haloti Ngata
http://www.courant.com/bal-ray-lewis-timeline-304,1,5168106.story
June 20th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Capt. Kirk, answers e-mail questions from the Nation:
http://www.raiders.com/Common/Article.aspx?=64552
June 20th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
I don’t see that at that link.
June 20th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Charger fans and their empty trophy case it is pretty pathetic isn’t it. Makes sense he would try and take a stab at a successful band like Cosmic Dance when his dorky loser band doesn’t even have a name they suck so bad.
The guys band is so bad he wont even post a myspace link for us, just like the Chargers empty trophy case all talk nothing to show.
June 20th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Posted June 19, 2009 @ 6:56 p.m.
By Dan Parr
The Raiders have been disappointed with DT Tommy Kelly ’s lack of conditioning this offseason, the way we hear it, and want to see the overweight player in better shape by training camp. Kelly has largely failed to live up to expectations since signing a stunning seven-year, $50.5 million deal with $18.125 million guaranteed at the start of free agency in 2008 as he rehabbed from a torn ACL he suffered during the ’07 campaign. He contributed 55 tackles and 4½ sacks last season, and some observers have questioned the sixth-year veteran’s work ethic.
Sources say the Raiders signed OLB-DE Greg Ellis this week with the hope that his disciplined, no-nonsense approach would have a positive effect on Kelly and other underachievers on the defensive line. Oakland’s “D” sank from ranking 22nd in ’07 to 27th in ’08, but aside from signing the soon-to-be 34-year-old Ellis, the club made few personnel upgrades to the unit this offseason.
June 20th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
There has not been one mention of Kelly being out of shape throughout the OTAs from people who were actually there. In fact, the talk has been of his quickenss (although it is a bit before the snap count) off the line.
“the way we hear it?”
“sources say?”
Gimme a break!
June 20th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
This is just as much as a show me year for Kelly as it is for Russell. Kelly should be well healed and has a better supporting cast than last year, I hope. That and Marshall’s disciplined approach to the defense, it should be a good year for Mr. Kelly and his big contract.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
[...] [Raiders] Raiders WR Chaz Schilens The Best Receiver In Camp So Far Chaz Schilens has been the Raiders best wide receiver this offseason. Considering durability was an issue as a rookie, it’s at least a minor concern Schilens couldn’t participate in the final OTA, but he showed plenty in earlier sessions. He’s a go-up-and-get it receiver who should be the go-to guy should Russell get enough time to throw on third-and-long. Source: Contra Costa Times [...]
June 20th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
There are some young up and comers on this roster in the receiving corps I actually am looking forward to see them develop and contribute this year. Chaz, Higgins, Murphy, DHB plus Dmac in the slot.
June 20th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
I agree with your take on Kelly proving his worth this year.
Not only that, Sands is in shape and we have 5 DTs on the roster. Edwards and Burgess have been replaced. Alston is 20 lbs heavier at OLB. New coaching staff.
No excuses for the defense as a group this year!
June 20th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
I guess most folks aren’t talking about the worst part of last year, THE OFFENSE, since we “finished” strong. Fact of the matter is we set a record for consecutive 1st qtrs without a score. We went GAMES without scoring an offensive TD AT ALL! There were several games where offensively, we were never in it. Our play calling was AWFUL! Personell packages left us scratching our heads.
Cmon Cable! Let’s get it going!
June 20th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
I’m not sold on TK, Sands, and Warren! I think we need another DT, and it’s not Williams.
We need to sign one after the roster cuts. A team like the Giants, Cards, and others have so much talent at the Dline, and they can’t keep them all. A few vets and RFA will be released to keep other players and make cap space.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
wassup O?
Is it William Joseph you’re thinking of?
June 20th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
i just got home and haven’t read todays comments,but,O,you may not like our DTs but other teams seem to as they inquire about their availability.you want the Giants rejects and they want who we have.what does that tell you?
June 20th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
I’m not opposed to bringing in competition at DT. It’s not realistic to think that a talented team is going to cut one of their talented guys this late in the offseason. I doubt we could stumble upon someone to compete with our backups barring a trade.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Wassup lefty …
June 20th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
The Raider run D has been historically bad for years. Who do you blame for that if the D-line is so good?
June 20th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
What’s going on Jhill?
I didn’t say I didn’t like the DTs Lefty, but I’m not sold on them.
I know other teams wanted them: Denver wanted to sign TK, and the Giants wanted Sands. To be honest, I don’t care who wanted who. The is the NFL, it’s about what have you done lately! TK , Warren, and Sands didn’t do much when you think of their contracts. They played OK, but for that much money, I want more than OK! I want great!
June 20th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
I blame you Dude! lol
June 20th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
also,Walker may have his issues,but nowhere has it ever been said he is a cancer.this is another case of people not liking someone so they make up crap.say he is injury prone,say he does stupid sh!t,he is a head case,etc,but you can’t say he is a cancer.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Lefty,
B Favre called Walker a cacncer!! He also wanted him out of GB as I remember it.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
And wassup to you to Dude …
Depends on what year you are talking about. Last year, I think that our DEs and the rotation at OLB opposite Howard was our overall downfall. 3 Huge holes in the front 7.
With that said, Warren tearing his chest muscle week 4 or so didn’t help. Kelly not being 100% 1 year removed from ACL surgery didn’t help. Sands not being in shape didn’t help either. Did I mention Fred Wakefield being our 4th DT?
The Sapp years before that, Grant Irons and Brayton at OLB another year, and so on, and so on ….
June 20th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Cancer, sorry.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Lefty,
Yes sir, William J.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
hey Jhill.dude,nobody said the D-line is so good.remember,DEs are part of the Dline,and they have been our weak spot vs the run.are DTs supposed to take up two Olinemen and make tackles?are DTs supposed to clog the middle and fill the cut back lanes on the outside?or should perhaps an end or a LB step up once in a while and make those plays instead of being 5 yds upfield and having the action take place behind them?
June 20th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Everybody keeps looking for someone to blame for the run defense but that IMO is the [roblem in understanding it at all. No one position is to blame the entire defense is responsible.
It not just the DT’s but they are at fault as well.
It’s not the LBers but they are at fault some.
It’s not just the DE’s but they are at fault some.
A defense is not as bad as 31st unless evryone has a share or else you can cover up a consistent weakness or remove it.
The talent on defense is there but the discipline hasn’t been that’s the problem and the fact that it gets constantly over exposed due to a bad offense.
IMO our defense is as good if not better than the Pat’s BUT we have no offense to protect it or assist it. Kirk may not be a great MLB but he is a good one. Our DT’s IMO are good enough to win a SB if the played with better technigue.
SnB likes to complain about how we are built comparing us to the Indy Colts. lol that’s about as close to the truth as comparing the verticle passing game to the WCO.
Actually SnB they are just the opposite. We have always drafted huge Dlineman and ends. Anyone want to compare size of Dlineman with Indy? What a joke!!
Indy’s defense as is the Tampa defense are small and quick they would never have a DT the size of Warren, Sands or Kelly.
Example; Eric Foster out of Rutgers a player I personally loved and I tried to get the Raiders to at least look at as a MLB. They wouldn’t because of his size and speed he didn’t fit what we do on the line or at LB. Well the Colts drafted him and he starts for them at DT no less.
SnB stop grasping at straws that comparison doesn’t hold water or another substance of note.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
I’m also not sold on the DEs against the Run, but I’m sold on the entire Dline as pass rushers.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
O,if i remember right Favre wanted Walker to stay in GB.the first time he almost retired in GB was because he felt the team wasn’t keeping his WRs together.i may be wrong,and if you show me something different i’ll be more than happy to retract that statement.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Raider O, I don’t ever remember Farve sayiing that about Walker. I remember the opposite him claiming Walker needed to show up and play out his contract.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Priest,how are you my Raider friend?long time.i have been reading you and i know we agree on a lot of things that are the Raiders,seems we have each others back at different times of day.and the one thing we really seem to see things similarly is that we have the players to be good on def.,they just have to play more as a unit and less as individuals.i believe that is the main thing the new def. coaching staff will try an install.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Left, that is what Cable has been saying since last year the lack of cohesion on defense and offense was problematic on this team. They were playing for stats instead of winning football.
I wrote in here last week that Ben Davidson was on Chronicle Live and he pointed that out. When they played they weren’t more talented but they played for each other and that was the difference.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
i must add,the one place that has me worried is the Oline,but we shall see.if that unit can become avg. or above avg. we should have a pretty potent Off.,and IF our Off. becomes as good as some believe,we will be more than just on our way back to respectability.we just have to DO IT so we can shut up all the naysayers.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
BHP and Lefty,
My memory must have failed me, well it’s not the 1st time!
I remember Favre was done with walker after he talked to him, so GB traded him to Denver.
June 20th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
BTW, old friend great minds think alike…lol
June 20th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
No prob Raider O, we all do it.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
My issue with people in here is that they get a bug up their rear and they want to blame the team because they can’t get it out.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Priest,i saw part of that show and heard Big Ben say that.that is exactly how teams like NE play.they don’t have overwhelming talent.i laugh at the lovefest on here over Wilfolk.if he had been playing on our Def. the last few years,no way he makes the PB every year.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
They then say the Raiders don’t do things right, because if they did they would be doing things the way I want them to.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Why are you concerned about the Oline?
I love the Satele acquisition, and the upgrade in Ot talent compared to where we were last year. I was hoping we picked up a OG to backup or replace Carlisle, but maybe MCQ is that guy.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
And Left you’re right, (wasn’t that witty?) winning cures everything.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Lefty,
Nnamdi made the PB, and he plays for a bad Defense.
The scheme does help, and so does the talent around the player.if you are a great player, you will make the PB. Maybe not as much as another player on a better team, but great play is not ignored in the NFL! IMHO
June 20th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Jhill, not that they are not good pickups, but it is critical that we protect. I too am a little cncened about the Oline. If we can protect then Russell is going to be tough to deal with. Our speed and his arm make for a very dangerous combo. Protection is paramount.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Priest,what gets me is how people on here proclaim such and such draft choice sucks or will fail because it isn’t the player they wanted at a particular time.i find it both annoying and funny that some actually think they know more about what’s happening with the team and about the players than the people how do this for a living.i’ve read where this draft choice or that draft choice will never make the team and they have never seen the guy play.yet an UDFA will come in and make a huge impact.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
You guys shouldn’t be so hard on some of the poster in here. It hasn’t been pretty football played by our team in quite some time. There are certainly issues but it’s just that they are getting blown a bit out of proportion. Then again, maybe not since we can’t get past 4-12.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Raider O, the PB is by in large a popularity contest. Losing teams will not place in that regard. It took Nnamdi 2 years longer than it should’ve.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
The issues on the team are not what we are discussing it’s the claims and finger pointing. Ray Charles can see there were serious issues on the team. And he’s blind and dead.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
I hear ya Priest, but I think it’s critical that JR develops and understands how to get the ball out of there.
As long as we don’t have another Kwame Harris type of player that puts us in repeated holes by jumping early, holding, and blowing assignements, then JR will be “protected”.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
O-Nnamdi was ignored for 2 years before he was finally recognized.if he had played for a team with a winning record or a team that the media liked,he would be a 3 time pro bowler instead of a 1 time PBer.why haven’t other players who deserved the selection not received it-they don’t play for the “right” teams.Lechter was bypassed a couple of times too.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Fans have opinions!! Some are based on logic, research , etc… Others are not, but they all come here to share their opinions.
I don’t think someone will visit this site a few times a week to talk Raiders, if he wasn’t a fan. IMO
June 20th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
I agree with you O …
Which is why I will continue to just beat the drum of reason, and try to point out a few things that the casual fan, or fantasy football type fan might have missed.
You can’t just look at a stat like 31st against the run and come to the conclusion that it MUST be the DTs.
Just can’t do it!
June 20th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Good night all!
Have to go practice my Jerk dancing with my 4 year old.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Jhill-the thing that gets to me is when people act like what they want is the only way and if we don’t do it that way we are doomed.and because we didn’t get or select the player they WANTED we were wrong.i’ve seen too many times on here where someone will say they heard something and before you know it others are repeating it like it is gospel.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Like I said: they will make the PB, but not as much as players on better teams.
My point was: saying that V Wilfork would have not made the PB if he played for us, That’s like saying Tom B is a system QB, and he would not have been as good on another team.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Raider O, we are not making indictments against everyone. We are making observations about their observations. Counter-opinions we are not saying they’re bad people. Or bad Raider fans. I have a lot of respect for SnB but he sometimes gets stuck like anyone else with an opinion that may be in error…no one died.
My observations are to help if you will, to add a different point of view. I often need the same thing.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Good night Jhill.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Lefty12, that is a real problem with me if anything bothers me it’s that hurd mentality.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
O-opinions are great.they are what make it fun to come here and have discussions.but when people act as if their opinion is fact is where i have problems.lets face it,we root for a team that operates under ultimate secrecy.the only thing we can truly offer is our opinions.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
BHP,
I like your posts sir. Like I said, you always leave me with something to think about.
My post wasn’t directed at you, Jhill, or Lefty. It was just a thought, and nothing more.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
I have mistaken my opinion for a fact afew times in my life!
June 20th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Raider O, the people that love to attack me are the ones that take an opinion of mine and use it against me as if I was stating a fact. When I was simply making an observation that may or may not be right.
They are my opinions not facts.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
O,i didn’t mean to single you out about Wilfolk.i was just using him as an example.sorry if it came out that way.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Lefty,
207, that’s how I feel about Reps! lol
June 20th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Lefty,
No need to apologize sir, I didn’t feel that way.
I’m a used car salesman, I have thick skin. lol
June 20th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
O,Priest and i have had many discussions on here.quite a few times we haven’t agreed,but i believe we both respect each other because we realize we are just pointing out different perspectives on things.i do not hold it against someone if their opinion is different than mine,but i hope they at least respect the idea that i can have a different view than them.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
did that make sense?
June 20th, 2009 at 11:45 pm
Yes sir, it made a lot of sense. I respect all of you, and your opinions. I don’t agree with some, but I still respect them.
Opinions are like …. We all have them. lol
Good night Gent.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
nite-O
June 20th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
A different viewpoint is why we come in here. Anything else would be very boring. There are fans in here that know a ton about football. There are others that are here for very different reasons that have little to do with discussing football. All they want to do is further their crusade in character assasination, Of you know who. They couldn’t care lees about anything else.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Adios sports fans.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:56 pm
Priest,i find it kind of funny that some people attack you constantly and they usually just quit posting when i show up.i guess we just rub some the wrong way.
June 20th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
goodnight Priest.hope to talk soon,but nothing will be going on for a while.
June 21st, 2009 at 12:08 am
Lefty
You and Priest may not approve of me. But I bet I go back further than both of you. If you want to know anything about the Raiders, and have success, ask me about it, gwdamned Bulldagin Bess.
June 21st, 2009 at 12:17 am
KK,i actually appreciate,approve,and like your input on here.i don’t always agree,but i know you don’t always,if ever,agree with me.i don’t know about who goes back further,but i have seen the Raiders play at every home stadium they’ve played in except the LA Col.have a football in my den from Frank Yuell that a bunch of us got at a game.
June 21st, 2009 at 12:36 am
KK,btw even though we both go way back with the Raiders,after reading your posts for years,i would never claim to know MORE about our favorite team than you.
goodnight.
June 21st, 2009 at 1:10 am
Gnite Lefty
June 21st, 2009 at 3:35 am
Who or what is Bulldagin Bess???
June 21st, 2009 at 3:37 am
Oh and Good Morning NATION!!!
June 21st, 2009 at 5:47 am
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Third-round pick Louis Murphy has also had his moments and at this point rates as the rookie who looks closest to getting on the field to be a contributing member of the passing game.
While Heyward-Bey was a controversial choice with the seventh overall pick in the draft because of a reputation for inconsistent hands and so-so production, he was a durable player at Maryland.
He promised to go home, continue to work out and be ready for the start of camp.
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June 21st, 2009 at 6:00 am
What up fellas , see just like Ryan I don’t believe anything Cable say he also loved kwame last year.
June 21st, 2009 at 6:04 am
With Dmac/Bush, Miller hopefully will take a ton of pressure of the wr core , just need jlh take a few quick slants to the house, chaz with 3 flys up catches and hopefully we get a little something from murphy&dhb but rookie wr usually struggle.
June 21st, 2009 at 6:04 am
Raiders’ Russell will hold own passing game campOakland Raiders quarterback JaMarcus Russell(notes) has apparently developed a work ethic or has at least grown tired of hearing he doesn’t have one.
Russell announced that sometime between the last day of spring practice and the beginning of training camp July 30 he plans to host his own passing-game minicamp at an undisclosed location, the San Francisco Chronicle reported.
I talked to coach (Tom Cable) about it,” Russell said. “Sometimes they have the rookies come back here for a week, and instead of them coming back here, I decided we’ll do it on our own. … Get somewhere where nobody knows where you’re at and go and do your own thing.”
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Who will be invited to the secret camp?
“Everybody that plays receiver and wears the (Raiders’) uniform.”
What about other quarterbacks? (That’s how I phrased my question, rather than asking, “Will Jeff Garcia be invited?”)
“I don’t know,” Russell said. “Jeff just had a newborn, and Bruce (Gradowski) and (Charlie) Frye, we’re working on that.”
Source: San Francisco
June 21st, 2009 at 6:05 am
In other words its my ball and I can say who can come and who cant,so there
June 21st, 2009 at 6:07 am
na na na na~~~ na na
June 21st, 2009 at 6:08 am
:=) =)
June 21st, 2009 at 6:29 am
Dare I say it but…We have the ability 2 just FUKKIN EXPLODE ON OFFENCE THIS YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!!! imo
June 21st, 2009 at 6:30 am
Gonna Blow It Up!!!
June 21st, 2009 at 7:20 am
Got to make this quick. Happy Father’s Day to all. Passed by a local park and a swarm of kids came running out yelling Daddy, Daddy. Got to run. LOL
June 21st, 2009 at 7:46 am
Good Luck Exla!!!
June 21st, 2009 at 8:38 am
Happy fathers day nation!
June 21st, 2009 at 8:49 am
yo back at ya 408!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 21st, 2009 at 8:50 am
where you at???
June 21st, 2009 at 9:00 am
Cool…..today I get to celebrate the fact that I didn’t pull out fast enough.
Maybe I can get a tie for my contribution.
June 21st, 2009 at 9:11 am
I’m not taking the DNA tests despite having to go to the Post Office to pick up the bundles of Father’s Day cards. No way. I never claimed to be a Wilt Chamberlain or Travis Henry. Got to go again. The phones ringing off the hook. Happy Fathers Day again to all.
June 21st, 2009 at 9:49 am
happy summer solstice Raider nation.
June 21st, 2009 at 10:10 am
Happy Father’s day Nation, and happy Sol Sistere to you too M.
June 21st, 2009 at 10:16 am
16 and LMN are MIA, I hope all is well with these 2.
June 21st, 2009 at 11:09 am
My Roster:
RE: Burgess/ Scott
LE: Ellis/ Jay/ Matt S
DT: TK, Warren/Sands, Bryant( he can play Base End too)
WLB: TH, Alston
MLB: Kirk, Frantz
SLB: Brown, Euk, Slade Norris
CBs: Nnamdi, CJ, Stanford R, Miller, Bowie
SS: Mitchell, Huff
FS: Branch, Eugene, ( Davis or ?)
QB: JR, Garcia, Frye
RB: DMC, Bush, Fargas
FB: Neal, Oneal
TE: Miller, Myer, Stewart
WR: Chaz, Walker, JLH, DHB, LM
LT: Mario, Pears
LG: Gallery,Johnson
C: Satele, Wade
RG: Cooper, ?
RT: Barnes, Green
June 21st, 2009 at 11:18 am
That’s 52 players, all the other players can compete!
No need for LS Condo, Jano, or Lechler.
We don’t need to kick and punt!! lol
June 21st, 2009 at 11:22 am
We have a lot of young talent to compete at LB and DE, a few will not make the team.
Bowie and Davis will not make the team, and that makes 53 with the ST unit. It’s a young team.
I like it!!
June 21st, 2009 at 11:28 am
Happy Fathers Day, to all you muthas…
June 21st, 2009 at 12:47 pm
JHill,
It seems that its you putting the blame for team defense on a few players (Morrison, SLB and DEs). In fact you have made your disdain for Morrison quite clear. Apparently the coaches also like Morrison and feel he is doing a good job too
In fact one could surmise that you blame the above positions for all of the run problems….especially given your open support for the DTs.
On the other hand, I have also spoken about the lack of a stout run-stopper at the defensive end position and the lack of a consistent SLB. I am happy that the Raiders at least drafted Shaughnessy. Its a move in the right direction although I was hoping for a bigger guy like a Jarron Gilbert, Mitch King or Tyson Jackson type of DE.
June 21st, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Priesttj & Lefty12,
I don’t understand what you mean by having agendas or “fantasy football” type of analysis. I happen to believe that numbers don’t tell the whole story…but they make for one helluva an opening paragraph.
We are not talking about a team that was middle of the pack….We are talking about a team that was 2nd worst to the Lions giving up 159 yards per game on the ground. The front 7 is the group that is responsible for defensing the run. To suggest that this group is beyond having a discussion too me would be “drinking the kool-aid”. I also believe that blaming Rob Ryan for EVERYTHING is a little “fantasy footballish” thinking.
There have been few successfull teams in the NFL that are able to win consistently with a sketchy run defense. Since run defense does matter in the NFL, I feel that this is something to talk about and talk about extensively…..even if it sounds repetitive. Apparently others feel this way as Tom Cable, Kirk Morrison and others have been questioned about it extensively. Guys like Tommy Kelly, Warren and SAnds have not necessarily received rave reviews for their “outstanding” play. And yes, like JHill has discussed, the defensive end, linebackers have not held up either.
So, I would rather continue to have discussions about a run defense that has been a disaster for 6 years….as opposed to just complaining about press coverage about D-HB, Mitchell and Al Davis.
BTW, if Marshall does anything positive….hopefully he will get the linebackers to start saying FRONT 7 as opposed to back 7!
June 21st, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Happy Father’s day to all the fathers of the Nation. Just a quick chime in from Abq, New Mexico.
So to spur the conversation, gun to your head, who has a better ROOKIE year, DHB or Murphy?
June 21st, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Vegas,
Murphy IMHO.
June 21st, 2009 at 1:57 pm
you gonna take a little ride up 2 Taos Vegas???
June 21st, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Vegas,
Murphy has a better rookie year, but DHB will be better.
The only reason I say that, due to Murphy being in camp and making plays. Ask me again in a few months ( after pre season), and I may have a diff answer.
June 21st, 2009 at 2:33 pm
As Jerry said, ask me after there is contact! The only thing you see now is speed, and we all know we have that. We don’t need OTAs to show he that we have speed.
Frantz doesn’t have speed, but he will show what he can do with contact. Same for the LBs, DEs, Ss, and DTs.
You can’t play Football with no contact, so you we can tell much by those OTAs.
June 21st, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Can’t tell much, sorry.
June 21st, 2009 at 3:22 pm
3 Raiders players will make the PB:
Nnamdi
Lechler
TH
2 more have a great chance:
Miller
Gallery
If we win 8 games or more, all 5 players make the PB. IMHO
June 21st, 2009 at 3:30 pm
21 and 9 will be PBers. 53 hasnt a chance, not enough tackles or sacks. I do like him, hes just not a PBer. As far as the other two go, Miller probably is a PB caliber player but not in this offense and not with the other guys in the AFC(Gates, Clark, Daniels). Gallery is as well, but not while playing on a mediocre at best offense.
June 21st, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Want more than 2 pro bowlers, better knock out the SD pro bowlers by winning the division. Other than that, I agree with it just being Nnamdi and Lechler.
We win the division, or get to 9-10 wins, and you will see a lot of PBs. Just think of what would have to happen offensively for that to happen. We could be looking at Miller, Gallery, McFadden, JRuss, and maybe a 2nd OL guy.
June 21st, 2009 at 4:37 pm
hopefully he will get the linebackers to start saying FRONT 7 as opposed to back 7!
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SnB,
You know that statement above is my main issue with Morrison. I’ve been on his tail ever since he said it. Could never quite put my finger on what was holding him back, but he summed it up best himself. How can your MLB have a “back 7″ mentality? He plays as if his #1 responsibility is protecting the middle against the pass. That’s why most of his tackels are 5 or 6 yds down field. That’s why the other team is able to get such good angles on him. That’s why he always seems to be playing on his heels. He’s thinking BACK instead of FORWARD!
I give him a clean slate this year to be honest. I don’t know if if was Rob Ryan asking him to play that way, or what. Hopefully Marshall has our MLB attacking rather than sitting and waiting.
With that said, I wonder if Morrison is in the long term plans due to him being a FA next year. Why is Brown now moved to the middle? Why pursue Joseph so hard? Is Al going to want to pay Morrison what Morrision thinks he deserves? Or will he let him walk and plug Ricky Brown in there?
June 21st, 2009 at 4:54 pm
SnB,
I was the one who made the fantasy football reference as it related to most guys blaming the DTs for being 31st against the run, not Lefty and Priest. I don’t think that you are that type of poster. You can back up most of the stuff that you say with solid well thought out arguments, not regurgitated garbage that you can’t explain.
With that said, the truth is that I am right! (a few moments for laughter, I know). If we could go to the film, you would see that the most successful runs against us last year were off edge, with a cutback underneath the DT. The film simply does not lie. The one play we went back and forth on, Williams long TD run that should have been a 7 yd gain at best, is even an example of what I’m saying. The one thing we all agreed upon was the Richardson could have made that play if he was not being “blocked” by the TE. That statement proves that the play was going off the edge, and that he cut back underneath the DE. I know you say Sands should have beat the C and made the play, byt even if I concede that, it would have been a HELLUVA play by Sands. I mean HELLUVA. Still doesn’t discount the fact that the play was designed to attack our DEs.
If I could ever get my films loaded again at NFL.com
I’ll show you a bunch of other opposing team highlights that reflect the same thing. Is anyone else having an issue with that?
The question is why are 31st against the run, right?
June 21st, 2009 at 5:10 pm
cutback underneath the DE that is …
June 21st, 2009 at 5:43 pm
Happy Father’s Day to all of the dads out there.
June 21st, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Jhill,
Kirk will NOT be a FA, if there is no cap next year. (CBA)
June 21st, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Some want to blame the MLB ( Kirk)
Others want to blame the DEs
Others want to blame the DTS
Others want to blame RR
I know it’s not Kirk, and that the entire Dline is to blame. Also the entire D and coaching!! I always said stopping the run is attitude, look at the Colts the year they won the SB! They were the worst team against the run in regular season, and one of the best in the POs!!
So it’s attitude, but having a beefy traditional DT does help. IMHO
June 21st, 2009 at 6:44 pm
HIs contract will expire, making him a FA. What does the cap have to do with that O? Are u saying we will pay whatever it takes to keep him?
June 21st, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Some also say it’s due to a bad offense.
Well, an offense does help, but let’s look at the Colts. They have a great offense, but how is their Defense?!
An offense will help, but it’s not going to make the 31st team a top 15!! Again IMHO
We need players on the Dline, Coaching, and help from the Offense. IMO and a beefy DT lol
June 21st, 2009 at 6:49 pm
No!!!
In an uncapped year, you can’t be a FA till after 6 years.
June 21st, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Beefy?
6′4, 335 is not beefy?
6′6 350 is not beefy?
June 21st, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Morrison’s contract is up after this year.
Google it.
June 21st, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Jhill,
You google it!!
If there is no new CBA, Free Agency will require 6 years of service instead of 4.
June 21st, 2009 at 7:06 pm
This will be Morrison’s 6th year, O.
June 21st, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Kirk Morrison | #52 | MLB
Oakland Raiders | Official Team Site
Height: 6-2 Weight: 240 Age: 27
Born: 2/19/1982 Oakland , CA
College: San Diego State
Experience: 5th season
High School: Bishop O’Dowd HS [Oakland, CA]
June 21st, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Best of all for Oakland, Morrison does it all at below-market rates. A third-round draft pick, he makes about a half-million dollars a year to lead the team in tackles on an annual basis.
Morrison’s contract expires after next season. If the Raiders don’t sign the Oakland native to a long-term deal before then, other teams around the league will be glad to kick his tires for a look-see.
June 21st, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Kirk Morrison | LB
TEAM: Oakland Raiders
HEIGHT/WEIGHT: 6′2′ / 240
DOB: 2/19/1982
AGE: 27
COLLEGE: San Diego State
CONTRACT INFO: 2009: $545,000, 2010: Free Agent
June 21st, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Love this google thing …
June 21st, 2009 at 7:14 pm
dead on point for you O,
Heading into his contract year, Raiders MLB Kirk Morrison is keeping a close eye on the Collective Bargaining Agreement negotiations between the players’ union and league owners. If no new deal is reached, the league moves to an uncapped season in 2010 and Morrison, a fifth-year veteran who has built a reputation as one of the best middle ‘backers in the game, would revert to being a restricted free agent rather than an unrestricted one. As a restricted free agent, Morrison would likely receive the highest one-year tender from Oakland. Teams would have the opportunity to offer him a long-term deal but would have to part with draft picks to sign him away from Oakland. As an unrestricted free agent, Morrison could sign with whichever team he chooses with no cost of draft choices. “I want an agreement to get done,” Morrison told PFW. “I don’t want to see an uncapped year.” Morrison said he’d like to stay with the Raiders, his hometown team, but appears willing to move on if a better opportunity presents itself. “When you’re going into the last year of your contract, you want some stability, so basically my thing right now is I just want to go out and play the game the right way,” he said. “I love Oakland. … I’d love to stay here. … This is a business. Sometimes business outweighs the way people think. … If something happens and I’m not able to be here after season, that’s just the business side of it.”
June 21st, 2009 at 7:15 pm
I’m getting Old, and I need a break.
You ARE RIGHT Jhill, he played 5 years with us. I’m sorry sir, I thought he played 4yrs instead of 5. I’m as some would say, ignorant. lol
Please excuse me.
June 21st, 2009 at 7:16 pm
So like I said, I wonder if Kirk is in the long term plans since he hit free agency next year?
June 21st, 2009 at 7:16 pm
It’s all good O …
June 21st, 2009 at 7:17 pm
So do you think he deserves to be one of the highest paid MLBs in the game? Or should we let him go and plug in Ricky Brown?
June 21st, 2009 at 7:32 pm
I like kirk, and he loves Oakland. I think he stays, and gives Al a discount. IMO
June 21st, 2009 at 8:25 pm
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June 21st, 2009 at 8:33 pm
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June 21st, 2009 at 9:25 pm
jhill Says:
June 21st, 2009 at 7:11 pm
Kirk Morrison | LB
TEAM: Oakland Raiders
HEIGHT/WEIGHT: 6′2′ / 240
DOB: 2/19/1982
AGE: 27
COLLEGE: San Diego State
CONTRACT INFO: 2009: $545,000, 2010: Free Agent
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Maybe unless they don’t get a new deal between the owners and NFLPA. If it goes un capped we get him an extra contract year.
June 21st, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Sorry,
My 4 year old wanted to post some stuff, lol!
June 21st, 2009 at 10:11 pm
If it goes un capped we get him an extra contract year.
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What, for free?
His contract is up after this year, no matter how you slice it.
June 21st, 2009 at 10:28 pm
If 2010 is uncapped, then the Raiders will have more options. His contract is up in 2010, and it doesn’t matter what happens with the CBA, he did his 6 years of service. We can use 3 tags next year if it’s uncapped: 1 Franchise and 2 Transition tags.
Like I said, more options for us. A players can’t become FAs till after 6 yrs of service.
June 21st, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Players like TH, Walter, JLH, and others will not be abltti become FAs till after 6 yrs of service with the Raiders.
June 21st, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Able to become, sorry.
June 21st, 2009 at 11:04 pm
People talk about how bad we draft, bit I like the 07 draft:
1- JR: starter
2- Miller: starter and can make the PB this year IMO
3a- Q M: cut in camp
3b- Mario: starter 3c- JLH: starter and punt returner
4- Bush: would start in many teams, but since we have DMC, he will have to share the load. Great talent IMO
5- Jay: Solid backup who can be a starter.
5/6- Eric : cut after camp
6- Oneal: starter
7- J Holland: backup at best.
Other than QM and Frampton, this was a good draft for us.
June 21st, 2009 at 11:09 pm
08 draft:
1- DMC: starter, and a play maker
4- Arman: injury, I think he will be cut
4- Branch: may start this year
5- T Scott: may start this year, and lead all rookie DEs with 5 sacks last year.
7- Chaz: starter.
I like this draft too!
June 21st, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Out of the last 2 draft:
7 starters, 2 more may start this year, Bush, and 1 Great Backup and a descent starter ( Jay). Not too bad!!
June 21st, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Correction, not too bad for a team that can’t draft!! lol
June 21st, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Happy Fathers Day, and good night Nation.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:28 am
What’s up fellas, I’m always drinking the kool-aid way to much in June just imaging Jruss/Dmac blowing it up together or Mitchell/Branch bringing back Raider toughness to our D.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:20 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
I’ll have a tall glass with you NMF!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:21 am
HAAAAAAAAAAA 420 and didnt even try!!! just in the blood I guess
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:46 am
This was from Peter King’s Article today. I am can’t say I am a little surprised, but I wonder if this is still the case with Kelly and Sands
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“I’ll tell you the real reason,” his friend Warren Sapp said over the weekend. “Because it’s not the same for the veterans anymore. The NFL doesn’t need us. In this NFL, the old vets don’t factor in. The kids don’t listen to nobody. Nobody! My last year in Oakland, I’d try to talk to some of the kids. Tommy Kelly, Terdell Sands. But they had no interest. I thought the ghosts in that building were so valuable, but none of the young guys cared. Once in a while, one of the old legends would come in the building, or make a trip. Jack Tatum would be around, and I’d say, ‘You know who that dude is? You know how he played?’ And the kids would be like, ‘Nah, I don’t care.’
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:49 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
405…if that is true on what Sapp said, those guys should be ashamed of themselves…haha!
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:57 am
– Good morning Raider Nation –
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:57 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FANS,405, HWNDR, IT’S THE MONEY BOY’S AND GIRLES, THIS IS WHY A ROOKIE SALERY CAP IS NEEDED, THIS KID DETROIT DRAFTED / SIGHNED IS MAKING MORE MONEY THAN TOM BRADY ( I THINK , AT LAST LOOK) WHY SHOULD THEY LISTEN, TO ANYONE BUT THERE AGENT…
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:58 am
Sapp blows soo much smoke literally and figuratively, then again when it comes to Tommy and Terdell… THOSE are the two guys that I wouldnt put it past them.
Wouldnt hold much weight if it were say Nnandi making those comments….
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:06 am
4EVA,NOMOREFARGAS,GOOD DAY 2 U GENTELMAN..
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:11 am
I’ve stated many times during many games that Sands has NO technique,especially around the goal line.He dosent bulldoze 2 disrupt the O-line and usually plays patty-cake with O-linemen.I thought 2myself how can he be in the NFL for 9 years and have NO technique??? Well it must be true cause all the talk on D has been about basics and scheme.Maybe all Sands and his ilk need is a good teacher.With Marshall and Board we may find that Kelly Sands and others will be vastly improved,imo Its June and I’ll have another!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:22 am
You got a point there, 4eva….
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:27 am
Wait, wait, wait! (and good mornin!). Sands and Kelly treated Sapp like the blowhard POS that we all now know him to be, and yet we are supposed to be hating on Kelly and Sands? Or the rest of the youngsters?
Kudos to Al for finding some young talent that can recognize when a “veteran” is only playing for the $$$, is two-faced, and doesn’t have any game left.
Basically, the “kids” treated Sapp like we treat Boberto Ignatowski.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:28 am
COACHING AND CONDITIONING4 THE D-LINE.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:31 am
thats what we really need Dirt-Lot,imo
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:33 am
Bo I wasnt hating on them but I think there is R-O-O-M 4 improvment.Well I must take daughter 2 work bbl NATION!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:45 am
4eva, I agree with your take on Sands. I was replying to Hwnrdr. Sands and Kelly both need to make more of their talent, but I have no regrets about them kissing off Sapp.
I bet they have a good idea who Tatum is, they just didn’t want to listen to a fake ass Raider talk about old school lessons…
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:54 am
BSJ: I hear you on that point. Sapp was hear just for the money. But…if Sapp was trying to be a leader, and they blew him off because he was a POS, then maybe they produced their own bad work ethic. i’m just saying…
Kelley and Sands need to really improve this year and hopefully Marshall and Board can improve them this year.
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:03 am
I AGREE I THINK BO,SAPP IS NOT THE IDEAL GUY TO BE GIVING ADVICE,BUT WHAT IF THESE GUY’S ARE THINKING WITH THE RAIDER’S RECENT RECORD,WHY SHOULD WE LISTEN 2 ANYBODY, THERE WILL BE A NEW COACH IN A YEAR OR 2,ANOTHER SYSTEM, I AM JUST GOING OUT EVEY WEEK NOT 2 GET HURT, GET MY MONEY..
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:25 am
With this economy and the money they make…shame on them if they don’t want to work hard like the rest of us…but then again…I know football, along with all other sports have now become a business, unlike before, but it is still a team sport and a team only works if every member contributes and works hard…if they blow it off and just collect a paycheck…
Sorry…just venting out loud!
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:43 am
Morning Nation!!!!!
WE WILL SWEEP DENVER!!!!
WE WILL BEAT SANDY EGGO!!!!!
JR WILL LOOK LIKE A TRUE #1 !!!!!
BOBERT will be owned!!!! ALL thing to look forward too as we wait for our season to get under way!!!!
PLAYOFF BOUND!!!!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:51 am
hwnrdr Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:54 am
BSJ: I hear you on that point. Sapp was hear just for the money. But…if Sapp was trying to be a leader, and they blew him off because he was a POS, then maybe they produced their own bad work ethic. i’m just saying…
Kelley and Sands need to really improve this year and hopefully Marshall and Board can improve them this year.
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I think Rob Ryan was overly tolerant of poor work habits, and Kelly and Sands (among others) should be held accountable under the new defensive staff. Board in particular is a far better example to follow than Sapp.
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:54 am
Hey Lefty12 and Priesttj are you guys done jerking each other off yet? That was a sad display Friday night, lol.
You are so good!
No you are!
I know, I know and the rest of them are so dumb!
Exactly!
I love you man!
I love you too!
jerkjerkjerkjerk
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:57 am
R U doing your jerk dance Dakota?
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:59 am
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2243/2074021439_a736bb8a42.jpg?v=0
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:03 am
OF COURSE it’s all about the coaching and attitude. You see it all over sports, so why wouldn’t it apply in the NFL. There is a reason we haven’t been shyt since our last REAL coach left, Jon Gruden. There is a reason why SD loses 2 games with Marty, and everyone knows they don’t have a chance with Norv. Why Tomjonovich quit, and PJ takes a team to the finals.
I’ll say it again, maybe we get lucky like Pittsburgh did with Tomlin, and our unknown guy Cable turns out to be a real leader.. But if Cable doesn’t work out, it’s time to spend the 5 million and get Cowher, Dungy, or Gruden in here!
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:08 am
I bet they have a good idea who Tatum is, they just didn’t want to listen to a fake ass Raider talk about old school lessons…
I’ll buy that Bo
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:08 am
“..if Cable doesn’t work out…” Don’t you mean WHEN Cable doesn’t work out?
Although there are those on this blog that compare him to John Madden, LMFAO.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:09 am
good morning 4eva, Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, BSJ …
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:09 am
good morning OAKlifer, Jhill, Dakota, 405 …
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:10 am
Good Morning Rockstar…
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:11 am
I just love Dakota’s cinema,jerkjerk
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:11 am
Hey!!! RR
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:12 am
I’m not going to bet against Cable, although I do approach the situation with EXTREME caution. I think I’ll have an idea of which way it’s going to go after the 1st 3 plays on offense.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:13 am
Wassup RRS …
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:15 am
jhill Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:12 am
I’m not going to bet against Cable, although I do approach the situation with EXTREME caution. I think I’ll have an idea of which way it’s going to go after the 1st 3 plays on offense.
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My worst nightmare: Fargas up the middle, Fargas up the middle, pass to Fargas….
punt
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:20 am
I’m interested to see what the offensive strategy will be. Cable said the offense isn’t changing much, just the terminology. So basically we’re keeping the Kiffin/Knapp style that Russell grew accustomed to the first 2 years and infuse some sort of downfield Air Coryell style brought in by Tollner & Hackett. These two guys often get the label “conservative” but Cable was anything but conservative last year. should be interesting. hopefully it’s not a disaster having the young Russell learn so much and change so many parts of his game after only 16 starts – most of which were NOT impressive
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:21 am
#1 i hate the lakers but congrats.
#2 being elected prez doesn’t deserve a monument or we’d have 44 monuments. 43 previous prez. happens every 4 or 8 years and will always.
#3 Bill Clinton was first black prez
#4 DHB and a hamstring… should be fined. Wish owners would put in clause with major penalties for hamstring pulls. It’s 100% preventable. Take your job seriously or you’ll pull a hammy. DHB = Jerry Porter the 2nd.
#5 glad to see Cable called a practice for wr, te and qbs. Oh, I mean jRuss called the practice (like he has an ounce of initiative)
#6 Ellis huge pick up.
#7 Finally got direct tv back (back in the nutmeg state). It’s being hooked up wed! can’t wait. hate cable (television … not tom).
#8 O line seems to have nastiness.
#9 pieces in place except DTs and maybe qb. we’ll see. Hope Jruss has break out season but still have negative thoughts.
Good to be back!
CT RAIDER
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:21 am
Mine is slightly different …
Fargas out of the I to the left for 2 yds. Dmac in the slot, with DHB and Schillens on the outside … hand off to Fargas off tackle for 4 yds. PA fake to Fargas out of the I, JRuss hit McFadden in stride for a big gainer …. wait, hold on …. laundry on the field, Cornell Green gets called for holding. Screen pass to McFadden for 5 yds.
PUNT!
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:21 am
Dakota, you seem to have your curmudgeon hat on this morning…didn’t you get sastified on Daddy’s Day? Or did your son come home with a new Kimbo Slice tattoo?
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:21 am
it’s time to spend the 5 million and get Cowher, Dungy, or Gruden in here!
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Honestly Gruden?!?!?!?!?! this guy is good at best….He was a product of Rich Gannon and in Tampa I could have took that Dungy team to the SB…what has he done since then??? He didnt want to be here then I dont want him here now….unless he was in the front office or a coordinator!!! this guy is kind of a joke to me!!!Dungy is done he is a God fearing man who belives in life after football and wants to be a family man!!! how ever he gets my vote!!….But Cowher is a legit option the guy has been on vacation for a few years just taking it all in from the outside see’s what teams are doing and will have his choice….with us he has alot of upside……the rest of the division is in shambels…with the exception of KC they might be looking good in a few years..SD is past its prime(LT). And Donks…….LMFAO!!!!!! the DONKS LOL!!!! and we have a young talented roster…plus russel is almost as fat as big ben!!!
With all that said:
IN CABLE I TRUST HE WILL LEAD US!!!!!!!!!1
PLAYOFF BOUND!!!!!!!!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:24 am
I thought JR had a decent rookie season, RRS …
If the games had been called all year like the last few games of the season, then JRs numbers would have been much better.
For example, how ridiculous was it that the guy was 11-12, and could get pass plays called? If you have a QB that rolling like that, shouldn’t he have at least 25 pass attempts?
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:25 am
Tom Cable! He’s someone I’d be happy to fight along side.
ct raider
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:26 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:21 am
Dakota, you seem to have your curmudgeon hat on this morning…didn’t you get sastified on Daddy’s Day? Or did your son come home with a new Kimbo Slice tattoo?
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No tatoos, but he did put a dent in my Tahoe. Happy Father’s Day!!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:28 am
took Cowher almost 20years to win a bowl
Gruden won one with Dungy’s team
Dungy won only one with a great dominate O and never with a great dominate D
all over rated.
ct raider
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:31 am
Dungy and Gruden might be overrated, but they are still ten times better than Tom Cable.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:31 am
Good 2 Have ya back Ct Raider
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:31 am
I, personally am a Gruden fan. He GLOWS when he talks about the Raiders. Still says we, us, and stuff like that. Seeing him defend the Raiders on draft day against all the other clowns like Mayock scored big with me. I was for the trade of Gruden at the time. Tampa made us an offer we couldn’t refuse. So what he didn’t take Al’s first under market offer. We all know how Al can be sometimes. Gruden NEVER had talent to work with like this team has now. It’s the attitude he brought to the team that I’m talking about. I would absolutely welcome Gruden and his attitude back to Oakland instead of the crap we’ve seen since he left.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:32 am
What up dakota. long time my friend… maybe 9mos. my best friend is a laker fan. Fn aholes… all of you guys. I’m a dodger fan and had to watch kobe at the game last night on espn.
ct raider
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:32 am
Anyone catch the Sporting News interview with Nnamdi. It is a trascript of a radio interview, and listening to the audio of Aso is awesome. Such a well spoken and mature sounding man, as one would expect.
WTF, why don’t just post the thing…I like the part about Russell: “He’ll hopefully develop more of the mental part of his game and be able to lead us in that way on the field.”
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http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-06-21/qa-raiders-cb-nnamdi-asomugha-0
Q&A with … Raiders CB Nnamdi Asomugha
When Pro Bowler Nnamdi Asomugha signed a three-year, $45.3 million contract in February, it made him the highest-paid defensive back in league history. He talked with Sporting News Radio’s Doug and Ryan Stewart (2 Live Stews) about DeAngelo Hall, Lane Kiffin, JaMarcus Russell and whether the Raiders can raise their performance after six consecutive losing seasons.
Q: How does it feel to wake up every morning knowing you’re one of the highest-paid players in the NFL?
A: Of course it feels good. But you’ve still got to perform on the field. I don’t think they’re paying you for what you’ve done. I always think they’re paying you for your potential and the things they expect out of you. But it feels great.
Q: What are your thoughts on DeAngelo Hall and his brief time in Oakland?
A: When he got here, everyone was expecting big things. Of course, I was expecting big things from D-Hall. I loved his personality. So when he got here, he started talking and saying that we were the best. And I believed that we were, if not the best, then right up there.
Now when the season started, I remember DeAngelo would tell me in the middle of games, “I didn’t know you guys played this much man-to-man.” It can get frustrating, because I’ve been frustrated with it. I don’t think DeAngelo was prepared for that much man-to-man. He’s a man/zone guy. He likes to see the ball coming out, make plays and do that sort of thing. I don’t know if our schemes utilized his skills to the best of his ability.
Q: What did you think of Lane Kiffin?
A: I was fine with Lane. I don’t know how many guys on the team actually believed him and followed him in that way. He was a great motivator, but I think that was the thing that lacked: Players being completely convinced in what he was talking about and his goals.
Me, myself, I was fine with Lane. I thought Lane came in and was in the process of turning around what was a dismal situation. I had no problems with him. What he’s doing in college at Tennessee now, I just laugh every time I see him on SportsCenter. I just think he’s just trying to get everybody riled up and get some emotions going. He’s just got to back it up now. I wish him success there.
Q: Do you see the light at the end of the tunnel with this organization?
A: The funny thing is I see the light at the end of the tunnel—you can call me crazy—but I see it at the beginning of every year. So I come into every year and think this is going to be the year we’re going to turn it around. We’ve got some guys back. The scheme, the things we’re doing, it should work. And then we go out and we haven’t been able to put it together.
Again, I’m coming into this year (with the same optimism). We brought back the coach (Tom Cable) that was with us for the last half of the year. It helps because you’re not learning too much and you don’t have guys always trying to prove something to a new coach. It should be a better year just because we’ve got that growth.
Q: Do you see Jeff Garcia pushing JaMarcus Russell as the starting QB?
A: JaMarcus is the starter. He’s the first pick of the draft a few years ago, so of course he’s going to be the starter. (But) I don’t see Jeff Garcia backing down. He wants to play, he wants to be on the field.
And it’s great that JaMarcus has this person behind him that’s as hungry as he is to get on the field and make plays. Now, JaMarcus is going to be holding himself more accountable for a lot of things. He’ll hopefully develop more of the mental part of his game and be able to lead us in that way on the field.
Q: Do you still drive that 1997 blue Maxima to work?
A: You must have been reading that article. The sad thing is, it’s not a blue Maxima; it’s gold. Everyone that knows about the Maxima is so disappointed. Yeah, I still drive it. That’s my car.
Q: What else is in the garage?
A: I’ve got another car, but it’s a 2004 S500. I hang onto things. When change is needed, I change. But if it’s not needed, I just stick onto it.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:34 am
DHB and a hamstring… should be fined. Wish owners would put in clause with major penalties for hamstring pulls. It’s 100% preventable. Take your job seriously or you’ll pull a hammy. DHB = Jerry Porter the 2nd.
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good morning and welcome back CT.
harsh words for DHB. be fined? he hasn’t even signed his contract yet! I suppose Al Davis could put in some sort of injury clause in his contract, but he might not sign it. He never had injury problems at Maryland.
We don’t know how serious the injury is anyways. Cable or DHB’s agent might be advising him to sit as a precaution so he won’t hurt his hammy even worse. His agent knows that if DHB spends his rookie season on IR he’ll make less money through playing time and stat incentives. Plus another WR could have a breakout year (Chaz Schilens maybe?) and steal his starting spot in the line up.
DHB = Jerry Porter? come on man. It’s not even preseason yet and we’ve never seen this kid play in a Raiders uniform. He might be a stud.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:36 am
4evaRaider: thanks bro! been extremely busy then i forgot my password and didn’t want to hassle w/this new set up (oaktrib).
I think Cable brings a man’s man attitude and not a more whiney (sp?) one.
He’s like a construction guy who gives a look like “what? you need help with that?” attitude. Keeps people responsible and accountable without whineness.
that’s my impression anyway.
ct raider
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:38 am
That being said, I don’t want Gruden anywhere near Russell. The first time Gruden saw Russell’s bloated gut he would bench him in favor of Andrew Walter. And once Russell got his weight under control, Gruden would still keep him on the bench because Russell fumbles the ball every other time he drops back to pass. Russell can’t even seem to take the heat from Jeff Garcia, can you imagine how he would fold under the glaring eye of Jon Gruden?
We need Russell to succeed if we have any chance at dominating the NFL once again, and I don’t think Gruden is the answer.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:39 am
What is going on CT Raider? Hopefully we get the Celtics-lakers matchup next June. Both teams healthy this time…see what happens.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:39 am
raiderrockstar: thanks..
I hate hamstring injuries! It means they’re unprofessional and do not take their job seriously. The comparison is the constant hammy injuries. In any pro sport your body is your tool. TO come to practice without your tools ready to work is unprofessional. This isn’t college or pee wee football. They get paid a lot of money to have their bodies stretched and ready.
CT RAIDER
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:41 am
I thought the Lakers should have fined Magic when he pulled his hammy before his last finals run, thus allowing MJ to win his first NBA title…
NOT.
Hamstrings get pulled, even by olympic athletes. It is just unfortunate that we have a lot more olympic-class hamstrings to pull.
Also, DHB can still work on his hands so that when he can run he doesn’t start dropping Russell’s lasers. Sit him in a chair and let the black Craig Stadler fire passes at him.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:41 am
Celtics have a tough road. Looks like Cleveland is bulking up (literally). Not to mention Ray Ray is on the trading blocks.
Cavs need a big man and two shooters (one off the bench).
I see a dynasty coming with them!!!! Time for Cs to load up on picks.
WOuldn’t be surprised to see Ariza end up in Cleveland. Good perimeter defender and can pop the 3.
CT RAIDER
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:42 am
Nnamdi says:
“JaMarcus is going to be holding himself more accountable for a lot of things. He’ll hopefully develop more of the mental part of his game and be able to lead us in that way on the field.”
Is Russell a mental midget? another Jeff George or Daunte Culpepper?
please say NO!
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:48 am
A hamstring strain or a pulled hamstring as it is sometimes called is a tear in one or more of the hamstrings muscles. Strictly speaking there are three hamstring muscles (Semitendinosus, Semimembranosus and Biceps femoris) which are known as the hamstring muscle group.
The role of the hamstring muscles is to bend (flex) the knee and to move the thigh backwards at the hip (extend the hip). Understanding how the hamstrings work give vital clues as to their modes of injury. Mild to severe hamstring strains are extremely common in sprinters and hurdle jumpers and in all sports that involve sprinting activities, such as football and rugby.
http://www.sportsinjuryclinic.net
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:49 am
Uh, no RRS, he was just a young kid in his first year as a starter in the NFL.
Geeze!
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:51 am
You’re being a little dramatic with the hypothetial Gruden/Russell relationship, Dakota.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:51 am
NFL News:
-former Browns star QB Bernie Kosar filed for bankruptcy
-DT La’Roi Glover retired
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:54 am
Step 1Resistance Training: Resistance training for your hamstrings is necessary to further strengthen your hamstrings and keep them in balance with your quadriceps. The imbalance between your quadriceps and your hamstrings is a leading cause of hamstring injuries.
Step 2Develop a Proper Routine: You should take the time to plan out a workout that is relative to your fitness level. If you are a beginner, you should not be attempting an advanced workout.
Step 3Warm-Up: Before stretching, it is necessary to do some light jogging over a short distance to get the blood pumping to your muscles. The distance can vary, all you need is enough to feel comfortably “loose” as you take your strides.
Step 4Stretch Your Entire Body: You should stretch not only your lower body, but your upper body as well. Running is an exercise for the entire body, so the entire body should be warmed up and stretched out.
Step 5Cool Down: Once your running workout is completed, you will need to take the time to allow your muscles to cool down. Going from intense exercise to relaxation is not good for your hamstrings and other muscles. A light jog or walk coupled with light stretching at the conclusion of your workout will help to keep your hamstrings healthy.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:55 am
When I see Russell read defenses and call effective audibles I will be on board with his football IQ. If Tollner/Hackett can’t teach it to him no one can. (I hear RUN DMC in my head: “Next time someone’s teachin’ why don’t you get taught!”).
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:56 am
http://www.maximumtrainingsolutions.com/preventing-hamstring-injuries.html
preventing hamstring injuries
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:57 am
great talking with you all but i don’t get paid at lunch so i have to leave! lol kidding.
ct raider
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:59 am
I hate hamstring injuries! It means they’re unprofessional and do not take their job seriously. The comparison is the constant hammy injuries. In any pro sport your body is your tool. TO come to practice without your tools ready to work is unprofessional. This isn’t college or pee wee football. They get paid a lot of money to have their bodies stretched and ready.
I couldnt agree more.One would think BY NOW they would get it,imo
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:02 am
CT: Why don’t you blame Brad Roll?
he’s the strength/conditioning coach!
Should he make DHB, Mitchell, Murphy, etc run full 4.3 “raider speed” 30 seconds after they get off the bus?
It should be his job to make sure these guys get stretched out before getting on the football field imo
Seems to be a ton of Raider injuries in OTA’s the last 2 years since Roll replaced Jeff Fish. Pretty sad, considering it’s NO CONTACT!
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:02 am
ct raider Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:41 am
Celtics have a tough road. Looks like Cleveland is bulking up (literally). Not to mention Ray Ray is on the trading blocks.
Cavs need a big man and two shooters (one off the bench).
I see a dynasty coming with them!!!! Time for Cs to load up on picks.
WOuldn’t be surprised to see Ariza end up in Cleveland. Good perimeter defender and can pop the 3.
CT RAIDER
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LOL @ Ariza to Cleveland. They need Odom more than Ariza. And Ray Allen traded? As a Laker fan, I urge Ainge to pull THAT trigger…
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:03 am
You’ve got to be kidding me …
What are you really saying about DHB and his hammy? First time he’s ever had an issue with it. A ROOKIE who comes to work, and gets hurt on the job? You’re really jumping on him trying to micro annalyze his hamstring injury?
WOW!
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:04 am
Is Russell a mental midget? another Jeff George or Daunte Culpepper?
No but lance and ol johnnie boy sure as hell are!!!!!!!!
PLAYOFF BOUND!!!1
IN CABLE WE TRUST!!!!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:10 am
When I see Russell read defenses and call effective audibles I will be on board with his football IQ. If Tollner/Hackett can’t teach it to him no one can.
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Agreed. the kid has a lot to prove. Davis gave him a HC he’s familiar with (Cable) who wasn’t afraid to take the “training wheels off”, legit QB coaches (Tollner/Hackett), Barnes/Pears at tackle, DHB/Murphy at WR, Neal at FB, Satele at C, Myers at TE
we could have taken the S&B approach and overhauled the D-Line in both free agency and the draft and allowed the offense another year to get it together with the same clowns: Harris, Green, Curry, Lelie, Griffith, Wade, Stewart
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:13 am
theres a fun NEW POST!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:42 am
[...] Chaz Schilens has been the Raiders best wide receiver this offseason. Considering durability was an issue as a rookie, it’s at least a minor concern Schilens couldn’t participate in the final OTA, but he showed plenty in earlier sessions. He’s a go-up-and-get it receiver who should be the go-to guy should Russell get enough time to throw on third-and-long. [...]
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:36 am
hello!!!!! this is hella fast!!!!OVER HERE THE KOOLAID IS OVER HERE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
July 2nd, 2009 at 7:37 am
well here is the KOOL AID……..
DHB ROOKIE OF THE YEAR!!!!!!!!!!!
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:07 am
MILLER WILL FINISH SECOND IN REC & YRDS FOR TE’s ONLY BEHIND WHITTEN!!!!!! MILLER TO THE PB!!!!
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:17 am
CALLING ALL AM CREW!!!! this is the SPOT!!!!!!
July 2nd, 2009 at 8:52 am
WHERE ARE YOUA LLL !!!!!!!
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:10 am
i rule this blog!!!!!!!
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:11 am
If a tree falls in the woods and no is around does it make noise?????!!!!!!!??????/
July 2nd, 2009 at 9:16 am
Oak,
Are you lost man??
July 2nd, 2009 at 10:49 am
No I’m here bro the other blog or post or what ever you call it SUCKS!!!!!!!!takews 5min for my page to refresh tried to get the NAtion over here but to no avail ohwell!!!! I will be bloggin when Jerry is back to work!!!!!
July 3rd, 2009 at 9:47 am
As far as the hamstring thing goes, same exact thing happened to Cliff Branch his first mini-camp so unless there’s really nothing else to talk about, not a big deal.
As for Russell, we really ought to be looking at the positives, rather than the negatives. We could have drafted Brady Quinn that year. Or we could have been like the Niners and got somebody like Alex Smith. As far as rookie quarterbacks go, we’re doing better than a lot of the teams who, in recent years, picked one in the first round. It could be a WHOLE lot worse, people.
July 7th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
[...] [Raiders] Raiders RB Darren McFadden To Play A Big Role In Passing Game For the most part, the Darren McFadden who took the field for the Raiders as a rookie was a shell of himself. The explosion is back, and the things McFadden ought to be able to accomplish catching passes out of the backfield and in the slot should give the Raiders something to hang their hat on in the passing game until the deep game comes around. McFadden and Michael Bush, who looks imposing and swift in no-contact situations, give the Raiders two backs who can do some real damage in the passing game. Source: Contra Costa Times [...]
July 13th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
[...] his rookie season was largely a disappointment due to a medley of injuries (toe, ankle, shoulder). The offseason reports have been positive, and it’s worth recalling the fact that McFadden has elite speed (4.33 at the combine). [...]
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