Raiders’ offseason: What we don’t know
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, June 22nd, 2009 at 9:03 am in Oakland Raiders.
Things that remain a mystery as the Raiders go their separate ways before reporting to training camp in Napa on July 29, with the first practice the following day:
– Can Ted Tollner and Paul Hackett provide the kind of stability and teaching JaMarcus Russell needs to build on his final six games of the 2009 season?
Tollner, at the behest of Tom Cable, was said to have added deeper routes and that played to Russell’s strength, although there was little in the way of evidence to support that in public practices.
Russell went through three playcallers in his first year as a starter and needs to identify himself this year as a player who can carry not only a passing game, but an entire team.
– What is Cable’s plan for the ascension of Michael Bush? I know, wise guys, it’s Al Davis who decides. Not so fast. Cable is on what Lane Kiffin called the “honeymoon” afforded to new Raiders head coaches.
Lance was right on this one. New coaches get a lot of rope, just enough to usually hang themselves, in many cases. Getting the sort of performance out of Bush the Raiders got in the season finale is something Davis wants to see.
It’s up to Cable to make it happen and in the process de-emphasize Justin Fargas.
– Assuming Mario Henderson is the left tackle, when does Cable make the move with Khalif Barnes to the right side? He said at one point he could do it as late as preseason games and everything would be fine.
I’ll defer to his expertise along the offensive line, but that seems a little late in the game when the issue is protecting the franchise quarterback.
– How good is new line coach Jim Michalczik? The running game will carry this team, and Cable as a head coach appears to be much more of a delegator than the man who attempted to wear all hats as an interim head coach.
– Can the Raiders’ woeful run defense be repaired with more due diligence with regard to discipline, rather than a major change in personnel and philosophy? No way to tell during no-contact practices in the offseason.
You’re up, John Marshall.
– Jeff Garcia, Lorenzo Neal and Greg Ellis are in the house. Are their teammates listening? Warren Sapp has his doubts, as expressed to Peter King.
Sapp is fond of exaggerating to make a point, occasionally stretching the bounds of credibility, but it’s true a lot of young players simply don’t want to hear it.
Jerry Rice even attended the Raiders final OTA. If the receiving corps was stifling a group yawn, there was no mention of it on the Raiders’ Twitter account.
– Will Darrius Heyward-Bey and Mike Mitchell be healthy enough come training camp to make a run at being contributors in the first quarter of the season? They’ve both been hampered by bad hamstrings pretty much since their first minicamp.
– What roles do Javon Walker and Derrick Burgess have with the 2009 Raiders?
Walker has been around, and according to Florida rookie Louis Murphy, has even been helpful as he recovers from the knee surgery which surprised his employer. Burgess has been a no-show and in the final year of his contract.
Walker is getting his payday regardless on a renegotiated contract, the question is whether he can still be anything remotely approaching the receiver he once was. The Raiders may be waiting with Burgess to see if any team loses a pass rusher during training camp in order to get the maximum in trade value.
There appears to be no such mystery with Andrew Walter, who should be a camp arm along with Danny Southwick until the one-time quarterback of the future gets his exit visa.
– Can the Raiders get anything out of Michael Huff?
The No. 7 overall pick in 2006 is nearing bust status. Some say he’s already there. Huff remains an infuriating step late in coverage and isn’t the kind of physical presence Oakland likes in its safeties. Tyvon Branch and Mitchell push him further down the ladder.
– Will Nnamdi Asomugha get the chance to shadow the opponent’s top receiver? He seems to think there’s a chance it could happen on occasion.
– Is Chris Johnson too good to be true? Cornerbacks simply don’t identify themselves as elite at age 29. The Raiders are pinching themselves on this one, signing him to a lucrative four-year contract that they’ve never announced to this day, perhaps concerned Johnson’s performance after the DeAngelo Hall fiasco was a mirage.
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June 22nd, 2009 at 9:07 am
Is Russell a mental midget? another Jeff George or Daunte Culpepper?
No but lance and ol johnnie boy sure as hell are!!!!!!!!
PLAYOFF BOUND!!!1
IN CABLE WE TRUST!!!!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 am
Will Nnamdi Asomugha get the chance to shadow the opponent’s top receiver? He seems to think there’s a chance it could happen on occasion.
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On occasion maybe?!?!? but isnt it more effective to shut down one side of the field????
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 am
we know everything =)
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:14 am
4eva……
only the SHADOW knows……..
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:18 am
repost to BSJ:
When I see Russell read defenses and call effective audibles I will be on board with his football IQ. If Tollner/Hackett can’t teach it to him no one can.
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Agreed. the kid has a lot to prove. Davis gave him a HC he’s familiar with (Cable) who wasn’t afraid to take the “training wheels off”, legit QB coaches (Tollner/Hackett), Barnes/Pears at tackle, DHB/Murphy at WR, Neal at FB, Satele at C, Myers at TE
we could have taken the S&B approach and overhauled the D-Line in both free agency and the draft and allowed the offense another year to get it together with the same clowns: Harris, Green, Curry, Lelie, Griffith, Wade, Stewart
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:18 am
I see that Oaklifer!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:19 am
repost:
Why don’t we blame Brad Roll for the hammy injuries?
he’s the strength/conditioning coach!
Should he make DHB, Mitchell, Murphy, etc run full 4.3 “raider speed” 30 seconds after they get off the bus?
It should be his job to make sure these guys get stretched out before getting on the football field imo
Seems to be a ton of Raider injuries in OTA’s the last 2 years since Roll replaced Jeff Fish. Pretty sad, considering it’s NO CONTACT!
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:28 am
isnt it more effective to shut down one side of the field????
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If Chris Johnson is the real deal it won’t matter.
Like Mario Henderson, he’ll have to prove that he can do it on an island and for an entire season.
If CJ or Nnamdi get injured they better put the best CB on the best WR. I don’t want to see Brandon Marshall, Dwayne Bowe or Vincent Jackson covered by Stanford Routt, Justin Miller or even worse John Bowie!
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:35 am
What roles do Javon Walker and Derrick Burgess have with the 2009 Raiders?
Walker has been around, and according to Florida rookie Louis Murphy, has even been helpful as he recovers from the knee surgery which surprised his employer. Burgess has been a no-show and in the final year of his contract.
Walker is getting his payday regardless on a renegotiated contract, the question is whether he can still be anything remotely approaching the receiver he once was. The Raiders may be waiting with Burgess to see if any team loses a pass rusher during training camp in order to get the maximum in trade value.
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Walker will be the #1 WR (when healthy) and have a 1000 yard season as Russell’s go to guy. Will also prove to be a good locker room presence and veteran mentor. Schilens & Higgins will post good numbers as the #2 & #3 options. Miller will lead all TE’s in receptions and make the Pro Bowl.
Burgess will be replaced in the starting line up by Greg Ellis at LDE. Trevor Scott will replace Jay Richardson at RDE. D-Burg will prove to be an excellent situational pass rusher and post double digit sack totals and enters next offseason as a hot commodity in free agency.
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:39 am
raiderrockstar: part of the holding players accountable is not blaming a coach of 86 players (or whatever the number) for a few guys lack of concern to be ready when the practice horn goes off.
I do agree that if there is a rash of injuries then he’s on the block but these are not 12yr olds. These guys are professionals. Read the check they cash each week! They need to have their body ready to play (stretched). It’s on the players.. period. Conditioning COACH is there to assist.
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:40 am
Opinions result from perceptions, and perceptions reinforce Opinions, which then further control perceptions, in a repeating loop that logic can never penetrate. (Only a shocking new perception, too strong to get edited out by Opinion, can break this self-hypnotic loop.)
Korzybski
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:42 am
there were games last year where namdi had nothing to do and they’re top receivers were blistering the other side.
we’ll see. i’m sure they’ll mix up the coverages.
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:42 am
I agree,I think!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:42 am
raider tw. that is pretty good. did you read that or is that yours??
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:43 am
TW: you lost me after “opinions” , but you had me from “hello” …
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:49 am
CT: a coach’s job is to teach, instruct and motivate. If a guy on the “coaching” staff can’t do that, he should be canned …
Should players be aware of what their body can and can’t do? sure, but I think that is something learned.
this is the NFL and we’re talking about rookies here. Most of these kids have relied on athletism and skill to get them up to this point. I imagine the work gets harder when you jump from being a college kid who does it for fun to a professional who does this for a living.
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:51 am
be back later. lunch time
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:52 am
Jerry referring to Kiffin as “Lance” still kills me every time.
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:55 am
he deserves that and a LOT more,imo
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:57 am
I think Johnson should be OK. He’s always had the speed/size combo to play corner but hasn’t had much of a chance in the past. Maybe whatever Deion (and Darren Perry) taught him made the game finally just click for him. He was tested a ton last year with Nnamdi on the other side and was consistently very, very impressive. I think it was wise to sign him for about $3 mil per year, which I believe was his deal.
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:58 am
From MSN~
Drink the Kool-Aid
Definition: To enthusiastically perform a task or follow a leader without knowing how this may affect you or to buy the “company line” without question. In business, you may hear someone say, “He drank the Kool-Aid,” when he means, “He has been thoroughly trained in the program and we have his unconditional support,”
or “He is on board with our strategy.”
I AM GUILTY!!!
IN CABLE I TRUST!!!
PLAY OFF BOUND!!!!
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ct raider Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:42 am
there were games last year where namdi had nothing to do and they’re top receivers were blistering the other side.
we’ll see. i’m sure they’ll mix up the coverages.
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I see you and double R’s points it would keep the D guessing…..and hey it works in basketball!!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:59 am
Jerry referring to Kiffin as “Lance” still kills me every time.
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LMAO!!! definitly not a typo!!!!! kid kiffie and Jerry weren’t the closest of homies I take it!!!!LOL
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:01 am
Ct, I credited it to Alfred Korzybski who was brilliant at semantics. Words “hypnotize” Human beings cannot experience the world directly, but only through their “abstractions” (nonverbal impressions or “gleanings” derived from the nervous system, and verbal indicators expressed and derived from language).
In other words Sapp has always been full of s#!T, but that’s just MY opinion1 lol
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:01 am
If they’re going to leave Nnamdi on one side most of the time, shouldn’t it be on the QB’s right? I believe he plays to the QB’s left right now. Since most QB’s are right-handed and it’s generally easier for them to throw that way instead of across their body, shouldn’t we at least try to play him on that side? I remember seeing a piece on NFLN about Rick Mirer and how he was very good his rookie year, then teams found out he was terrible at throwing to the left side of the field and that’s why he tanked all of a sudden.
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:04 am
raiderrockstar: fire the s&c coach and fine dhb. I’m on board.
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:16 am
tw: that’s my opinion as well (sapp). he never (even at tampa) could stop the run. also, works on my perception of the hamstring issue being fault of the hamstring holder.
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:17 am
i was dead wrong on kiffin! I thought he would be the man but he’s a whiny little b……. hope florida beats the hell out of them! lol
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:21 am
Peter King’s column about Derrick Brooks, linked to in Jerry’s writeup above, is pretty interesting. I don’t know really where Brooks would fit in in Oakland, but I wish there was some way to find a spot for him here. I have a strong feeling he could really take Morrison and Howard and even Alston to the next level. I also know our LBs make up a good chunk of our special teams corps with Ekejuba and Sam Williams and all and there are several rookies vying for a spot. But I don’t think the Raiders would regret having Brooks around for a year or two.
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:21 am
Every single florida resident has Sept 19th circled on my,their calendar.We are frothing at the mouth 4 a piece of lil lance
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:24 am
and its in Gainesville!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:25 am
Sat
Sep 19 Tennessee Gainesville, FL TBA
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:33 am
Gators-63
tenn-0
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:35 am
RE: Nnamdi…
If Nnamdi has the ability to shut down half the field then why hasn’t the Raider coaches put HIM on an island and rotate the defense to the other side to force QB’s to throw at him? He needs a chance to be the play maker we all know he is. It is a waste to make him the highest paid corner if we can’t force the other teams to have to throw his way.
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:36 am
As for Russell: The Raiders coaching staffs have failed Russell. You surround the guy with coaches that were hired to be fired….coaches that didn’t have much to offer the guy in terms of preperation etc…veterans on the offense who could give a rip about preparation like Javon Walker…surround him with talent like Ashlie Lelie and Ronald Curry…keep the best players on the bench and give him the worst left tackle in the NFL….and you guys were expecting him to turn that into a pro-bowl season? Really!!!!
You criticize him for his work ethic. Well, his first offseason saw his coaches threatening to quit and the owner threatening to fire them. Don’t think there is a lot of time spend watching film with the coaches? Did Russell even know who his starting receivers were going to be going into camp last year? Could you see those vets taking time out of their schedule to work with Russell? I will bet you cash that Zach Miller and Russell developed a chemistry because they probably did do some type of work together. The rest of the roster was a bunch of stiffs.
Thanks to a holdout….a COMPLETELY DYSFUNCTIONAL TEAM LAST YEAR…to me this year is a clean slate…this is the 1st year he has a competent team around him and a coaching staff actually dedicated to the task at hand.
Enough with the comparisons to guys like Flacco, Ryan and others….they actually got healthy starts with functional organizations!
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:39 am
good point 33&34
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:44 am
CT: fine DHB?
highly doubtful. Walker’s contract didn’t have an injury claus (out) after 2 major knee operations.
Why would DHB’s contract have one for a pulled (”sore” according to Cable) hamstring?
players don’t lose their job due to injury under the Cable regime and we saw that last year with Fargas & Harris returning and stinking up the place. Obviously Cable doesn’t blame injuries on the players or throw them in the dog house. It’s just the nature of the game. Football is a violent sport, man …
DHB will be given every chance to make an impact in year 1 as a Raider. He was the most heavily scrutinized pick in the entire draft and Al Davis wants to prove everybody wrong. How would that look if Crabtree finished the season with 90 catches, 1500 yards and 12 TD’s and Heyward-Bey finished with 12 catches, 180 yards and no scores? TERRIBLE
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:48 am
wow…. atlanta was functional? ryan made them functional. must re-read prior to season. Most papers had them going 0-16.
He was the top pick and held out his first year to make all these millions. He can’t be an avg joe going to camp. he needed to be a super God for what he obviously felt he was (to have the balls to hold out until after the season started).
i’ll still never forget watching him wanting nothing to do with playing in GB. If he did any kind of prep prior to getting to camp the atmosphere would have been different. If the raiders started out 3-0, it would have been different. Instead, he came in way over weight, unprepard after sitting on his butt since LSU days (didn’t work in practice or games for the raiders).
i agree the rest were idiots but you have to bring your game and be prepared for you and he wasn’t. He doesn’t have a work ethic. Again, it is his responsibility to come in prepared. If he works with morons than that will show but what shows is he did nothing over the winter and again this year. THat is why Cable is all over him to LEAD and develop. JRuss REFUSES to do anything on his own and now Cable, called a workout session w/rcvrs and tes. Do you really think Jruss called that week of practice??? Really?? he’d rather be home.
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:51 am
Hamstring injuries happen. Hopefully the training staff will manage them better than they managed DMAC’s turf toe last year.
I find it interesting that three rookies went down with the sammething and Chaz Schilens missed some time as well.
I am no expert. But I would hope the training staff is mindfull of what happened this last month.
Also, can someone tell me what’s going on with Arman Shields? He hasn’t played a full football game since December of 2007
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:51 am
it’s not doubtful but illegal. but should be. couldn’t care less about walker.
I believe all pro athletes should have the hamstring clause.
DHB has a preventable injury due to lack of preparation (stretching).
Injuries will happen. football is physical. running a route in non-contact practice is not.
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:54 am
Justin Griffith – Seahawks
Ronald Curry – Lions
Jake Grove – Dolphins
Gibril Wilson – Dolphins
DeAngelo Hall – Redskins
Robert Thomas – Redskins
Rashad Baker – Eagles
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S&B: how do you thinks these guys will do with their new teams?
… and why haven’t Tui, Carter, Lelie, Wakefield, Edwards, Waddell, etc. been signed yet in free agency ???
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:56 am
CT Raider,
Why should JaMarcus Russell take less money if he was the #1 pick? Why? Did Matt Stafford take less money? Matt Ryan got a ton of money too Hell even Brady Quinn held out…..Here’s the deal…if you draft a QB with the 1st overall pick, you have to be prepared to pay 1st overall money. That’s the way the system is. Again, speaking as regular wage earner, its easy to say that he shouldn’t have held out…but that easy to say when such an opportunity would never be presented to you. That was all on the Raiders and they ended up paying the money anyways. Gets back to the front office issues in Oakland.
Now if you have an issue with the system itself…that’s not a JaMarcus Russell issue…that’s a league issue.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:01 am
Truth is our front office sucks! Now that Millen got fired we hav the worst GM in the league. Look at our drafts, our free agency hirings, and um, oh yeah, at our dirt cheap coaching staff!
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:02 am
Why is it that Vets say that you go to Oakland to die as a player…or is it the rookies that say that?
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:04 am
i don’t think he should take less money. BUt he should step up if he’s going to take it.
Look what Matt Ryan did.
Its a work ethic issue. He stole the money without ever feeling responsibility. Matt Ryan took a team in shambles and put them on his shoulder. HUGE DIFFERENCE. who would you rather have? I still want CJ and would have taken a qb in the 3rd.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:05 am
the issue was never how much JR would get paid.the issue was the structure of the contract and whether the Raiders could recoup some of the money if JR turned out to be like Mike-guaranteed money.the total amount was pretty much agreed upon and set by the rookie scale(lack of better word).
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:05 am
didnt Robert Thomas except a injury settlement with da Raiders???And he is able 2 sign with another team???
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:06 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:54 am
Justin Griffith – Seahawks
Ronald Curry – Lions
Jake Grove – Dolphins
Gibril Wilson – Dolphins
DeAngelo Hall – Redskins
Robert Thomas – Redskins
Rashad Baker – Eagles
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S&B: how do you thinks these guys will do with their new teams?
Justn Griffin will be fine…he’s in a familiar system with coaches that like him. Griffin is not a power blocking fullback so it was good to let him go.
Gibril Wilson & Jake Grove will do well. They were good players for the most part. I think Paul Pasqaloni will not leave Wilson exposed in coverage and use his strengths as a hitter. Grove has to stay healthy though but did handle some good NTs
deAngelo Hall: He will do okay because he will be in a cover 2 zone system. The Raiders really exposed their incompetence in talent evaluation with this signing. THis is not the Madden video game…players have to have their skillsets match the scheme
Baker, Thomas and Curry will be fortunate to make their respective 53 man rosters…role players at best
… and why haven’t Tui, Carter, Lelie, Wakefield, Edwards, Waddell, etc. been signed yet in free agency ???
Those players have not been signed because they are not NFL caliber players. You could also ask why Kwame Harris, Seth Wand are still on the street. The sad thing is that there are projected starters still on the roster that, if released today, would be in this latter category
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:06 am
our evaluating sucks. guy can throw 80 yards … so lets make him a franchise qb. ryan could throw. The dude baltimore gave up on threw 65 yards from his knees.
Los Radiers: i think it was sapp who said that. he killed of dungy as their coach. so take it for what its worth.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:07 am
CT: sure, 3 years later everybody says we should have taken Calvin Johnson & Trent Edwards
why sit back and think “what could have been” ?
terrible point to bring at S&B anyways. He’s all about the D-Line, which got comepletely neglected in the draft for like the 10th year in a row!
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:10 am
CT Raider,
The Falcons had a plan. They hired a head coach who didn’t fight with the GM and Owner and made it to the end of the year. The Falcons hired and retained a credible Offensive Coordinator in Mike Mularkey for the entire season. The team got their QB into camp on time. Their head coach got rid of the headaches…like deAngelo Hall…The Falcons had a couple of receivers with actual talent. The Falcons added a power running game to support their young QB (Falcons were in the top 3 in rushing attempts). The Falcons drafted a LT in the 1st round that was solid…
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:10 am
# itzSteve Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:35 am
RE: Nnamdi…
If Nnamdi has the ability to shut down half the field then why hasn’t the Raider coaches put HIM on an island and rotate the defense to the other side to force QB’s to throw at him? He needs a chance to be the play maker we all know he is. It is a waste to make him the highest paid corner if we can’t force the other teams to have to throw his way.
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I think the entire nation agrees, but the problem is we want to run a mano v mano setup and not over ‘complicate’ the scheme.
Thats the ONLY reason I can think as to why he hasnt otherwise he should have been the majority of last season.
We wanted to try that two safety = no FS or SS philosophy so conventional wisdom would say the same, then again as we are constantly reminded…. throw out conventional wisdom in Raider discussions.
Lombardi may be an a$$, but he does hold some truths that can only be know from being on the inside of 1220 Harbor BayParkway
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:12 am
lefty12 Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:05 am
the issue was never how much JR would get paid.the issue was the structure of the contract and whether the Raiders could recoup some of the money if JR turned out to be like Mike-guaranteed money.the total amount was pretty much agreed upon and set by the rookie scale(lack of better word).
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Regardless, that stuff should have been handled prior to or right after the draft
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:12 am
Those players have not been signed because they are not NFL caliber players. You could also ask why Kwame Harris, Seth Wand are still on the street. The sad thing is that there are projected starters still on the roster that, if released today, would be in this latter category
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Ah. nice catch on Harris & Wand!
Agreed. too many guys making the team who should be cut as camp fodder or competition for the real NFL calibur players. Maybe we should start drafting football players instead of track athletes? That might help keep better guys on the field and leave the scrubs on the market …
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:13 am
Can the Raiders’ woeful run defense be repaired with more due diligence with regard to discipline, rather than a major change in personnel and philosophy?
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I doubt it, there is a major talent issue at hand here. When 25% of the games from the previous year (Den opener, Saints, Pat, and Falcons) the team could have scored 50+ if they had too, it isn’t just due to lack of “due dilligence with regard to discipline”.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:15 am
CT Raider,
Yeah, Trent Edwards, Drew Stanton and John Beck are really ripping it up out there
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:15 am
good afternoon Vegas.
how you doing man? still employed?
hope all things got sorted out and are better than they were on Thurs/Fri of last week
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:17 am
Terrell Owens might cost Trent Edwards & Dick Jauron both their jobs!
note to self: never lobby the Owner or GM for a headcase
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:17 am
Russell,Oneal,Bush,Mac,JLH,Chaz,Miller,Henderson,Gallery,Scott,Howard,Morrison,Nnamdi,all safeties,Lechter,and Janokowski.all starters and all drafted by us.those who say we can’t draft don’t know what they are talking about.every team drafts Huffs once in a while,we just notice it more when it happens to ourselves.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:18 am
Mario Henderson-T-Raiders Jun. 22 – 1:45 pm et
Agent Drew Rosenhaus revealed on his Twitter page that Raiders LT Mario Henderson has signed with Rosenhaus Sports.
Henderson, penciled in as the Raiders’ starting left tackle ahead of Khalif Barnes, has two years remaining on his rookie deal. He’ll surely angle for a contract extension next offseason if he keeps the position all year.
Source: Drew Rosenhaus on Twitter
Does this mean hes holding out next offseason?
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:20 am
CT Raiders Says: He was the top pick and held out his first year to make all these millions. He can’t be an avg joe going to camp. he needed to be a super God for what he obviously felt he was (to have the balls to hold out until after the season started).
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Contracts are more about agents, finance guys and negotiation. The player largely stays out of it. Al Davis and company new roughly what a 1st overall QB would demand in the marketplace. If they didn’t think he was worth it…they shouldn’t have drafted him. Russell should not sacrifice his earnings to make a fan feel better. You wouldn’t do it at your job.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:20 am
Those players have not been signed because they are not NFL caliber players. You could also ask why Kwame Harris, Seth Wand are still on the street. The sad thing is that there are projected starters still on the roster that, if released today, would be in this latter category
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Seth Wand got drafted in the UFL.. lol..
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:21 am
Good afternoon Nation.
TW,
Logic is overrated, who needs logic when you have perception? lol
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:24 am
CT Raider says: i’ll still never forget watching him wanting nothing to do with playing in GB. If he did any kind of prep prior to getting to camp the atmosphere would have been different. If the raiders started out 3-0, it would have been different. Instead, he came in way over weight, unprepard after sitting on his butt since LSU days (didn’t work in practice or games for the raiders).
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How was he supposed to look sitting on the bench in sub-zero weather. How do you know he didn’t want to play? Again, he missed camp and that basically made the season a wash. You don’t just throw someone out there if they are not ready. The reps in practice go to the starter and 2nd string QBs. He did not come into camp his rookie year overweight. And I also seemed to remember reading that DeFilipo worked with Russell to the side while the rest of the team went through reps. Again, they can’t extend practice another extra hour for a guy not projected to play. I also seem to remember Russell doing pretty well in the last game against San Diego. Hardly a guy that didn’t work in the game???
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:25 am
snb… you’re missing the point. he took the money because Al thought he was responsible and man enough to lead this team.. which he clearly is not. You compared him to Matt Ryan which is ridiculous. Matt took a team in a similiar situation as the raiders and worked his butt off before camp and put that team on his back w/no excuses. He manned up and led. Al thought he was getting the same attributes along with a great arm. miscalculated
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:26 am
SnB-Davis took the player he wanted(Russell).he realizes its a business and sometimes in business there are hang-ups on deals.it seems the Russell holdout and delay in his signing bothers some fans more than it does Davis.besides,JR wouldn’t have started right out of the gate anyway-the Raider way,which i know you don’t like or agree with-but it is what it is.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:27 am
CT Raider says: i agree the rest were idiots but you have to bring your game and be prepared for you and he wasn’t. He doesn’t have a work ethic. Again, it is his responsibility to come in prepared. If he works with morons than that will show but what shows is he did nothing over the winter and again this year. THat is why Cable is all over him to LEAD and develop. JRuss REFUSES to do anything on his own and now Cable, called a workout session w/rcvrs and tes. Do you really think Jruss called that week of practice??? Really?? he’d rather be home.
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Again more unsubstantiated assertions on your part. You don’t know if Russell works or doesn’t work. Also, what if Cable, Tollner and Hackett were the coaches in 2007 AND Russell didn’t have the hold out. Where would Russell be now? You also assume that Cable told Russell to get the players together. That’s just being negative and you have NO way of knowing otherwise.
Russell is a young QB on what has been a very poorly coached and managed football team. Now that there are others out there working and there are coaches actually providing structure and guidance…we should start to see this team turn the corner.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:28 am
snb: take edwards over jr any day and we wouldn’t have cap issues and we’d have a top notch wr.
edwards, cj over jr and dhb… i don’t know let me think about it,. HELLO
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:30 am
CT Raider: do you think Russell could throw for 3000 yards or 30 TD’s in 16 games against a UFL or CFL team?
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:31 am
JR got paid due to him being a #1 pick!!! If you want to blame someone, it should be Al!
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:31 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:07 am
CT: sure, 3 years later everybody says we should have taken Calvin Johnson & Trent Edwards
why sit back and think “what could have been” ?
terrible point to bring at S&B anyways. He’s all about the D-Line, which got comepletely neglected in the draft for like the 10th year in a row!
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Hey, I didn’t even mention the defense today. But since you baited me……
I think the best friend of a young QB is a good defense and an excellent running game
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:34 am
ct-would you really take Edwards over JR?edwards is what he is.what you see is what you will always get from him.JR on the other hand still has plenty of room to improve.you know you can’t really judge a QB for at least 3-5 years.Russell should develop into a much better QB than Edwards,it will just take more time.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:36 am
wow.. we have excuses for every player. no wonder we’re in last place every year.
i would love to play for oakland and never have to be accountable… it was bad coaching.
as my dad said, “if you’re teacher is so stupid then read up and teach him”
Basically, our leader is a follower. “change occurs when the cost (or pain) to stay the same exceeds change”
there isn’t any cost for the players… they had bad coaching. How do you know when you had a good coach with a bad player?
Is it when he publicly states the qb is not doing the off season work needed to win in the nfl? Cable did that. if russell fails… he had a bad coach again.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:38 am
Rockstar,
I’m all right thanks for asking. Still “in limbo” if you will, I think they want me to beg for forgiveness and my job back and I just don’t roll that way. They are totally trying to cover their a$$ and are acting like girls IMO, so I am already looking elsewhere. I’ll be fine though, cleared the head with a little golf, BBQ’ing and beer drinking this weekend.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:40 am
lefty: i (as i wrote in this forum 3yrs ago) wanted CJ #1. It was publically known that edwards would have been available in the third.
I don’t see the upside. His decision making isn’t horrible and he doesn’t work on it (off season)
he doesn’t have any mobility.
He doesn’t extend a play
he doesn’t extend a drive
he can throw 80 yards. he hasn’t made his line better, wr better or rbs better.
1. cj
2. miller
3. edwards not a bad draft
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:40 am
ct raider Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:25 am
snb… you’re missing the point. he took the money because Al thought he was responsible and man enough to lead this team.. which he clearly is not. You compared him to Matt Ryan which is ridiculous. Matt took a team in a similiar situation as the raiders and worked his butt off before camp and put that team on his back w/no excuses. He manned up and led. Al thought he was getting the same attributes along with a great arm. miscalculated
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You say he clearly is not responsible and man enough to lead the team. I say you are wrong. He has never called out coaches, teammates or the organization even though it was warranted. Some people have to learn to lead before they themselves can lead. Who was the coaches? How many coaches did he have? What kind of example did the COACHES AND OWNER give this young QB last year?
Here is an example of QB leadership you probably missed:
“Henderson didn’t commit any penalties, was part of a line that didn’t allow any sacks and paved the way for 300 yards rushing. He did so in his first NFL start in, perhaps, the loudest stadium in the league.
“I had the whole team behind me,” Henderson said. “That gave me a lot of confidence.”
Quarterback JaMarcus Russell said he gave Henderson a pep talk before the game.
“I just told him, ‘No matter what happens, I’m going to be all right. If I get hit or whatever, just keep on going to the next play,’ ” Russell said. (Sunday), I didn’t get touched at all, probably twice I got hit on the ground, no sacks. I told him he did a great job.”
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:41 am
Russell was drafted because he has talent and potential.he was immature.like Vermeil did with Johnson when he said the young man has to grow up,that is what Cable did with Russell.we’ll see if it worked,but there are signs it did have an impact.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:44 am
Here is a prediction I’ll stand behind…..
You Russell bashers are going to look ridiculous as the 2009 season plays out. You really are.
This kid doesn’t throw INTs, stands with his teammates and takes constructive criticism pretty well.
Not a whiny $%#@@ or anything like that. Guy lives in Oakland during the offseason and Cable has not complained about Russell work ethic since his quote earlier that was blown out of proportion cause the guy missed some team weightlifting to be with his mother following surgery.
Ridiculous
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:44 am
if russell fails… he had a bad coach again.
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not in my book!
Cable, Tollner & Hackett weren’t exactly high in demand this offseason, but what they do have to offer is EXPERIENCE and loyalty to Al Davis.
Hard for any player to succeed when there is coaching change and dysfunctional management DURING the season. We didn’t have much talent on the team last year and the talent we did have got shelved in favor of scholarship guys or injuries …
Now that Russell has some stability I expect much better results, despite what injuires may occur at RB & WR!
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:48 am
CT Raider:
do you think Russell could throw for 3000 yards and 30 TD’s in 16 games against UFL and/or CFL teams?
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:48 am
The Russell holdout didn’t bother Al Davis, he never intended to play him the first year anyway. (Raider Ideology)
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:49 am
lefty12 Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:26 am
SnB-Davis took the player he wanted(Russell).he realizes its a business and sometimes in business there are hang-ups on deals.it seems the Russell holdout and delay in his signing bothers some fans more than it does Davis.besides,JR wouldn’t have started right out of the gate anyway-the Raider way,which i know you don’t like or agree with-but it is what it is.
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The holdout bothered me because I think the organization should have been better prepared. Just my opinon. But people thinking the guy should take a “Ricky Williams / Master P” type contract is crazy. In a capitalist society, you don’t leave money on the floor.
The holdout did set Russell back a full year. He probably doesn’t start…but I am sure he plays the last half of the year at least and gets more learning experience. Right now he only has 16 starts under his belt….another 7 or so couldn’t of hurt. Plus the prep time he lost.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:55 am
Russell couldn’t have played any worse than Josh McCown or Daunte Culpepper imo …
that team was run oriented. still is
It’s been awhile since a QB has led us to victory with his arm. Kerry Collins, and that didn’t happen very often!
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:56 am
i’m sure there were talks before the draft and Davis knew what would follow.the point is he drafted the player he wanted regardless of how long it would take to get a deal done.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:57 am
KK-exactly.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:59 am
Collins!!!! I don’t remember winning with him! 5-11!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:00 pm
RR,
I remember Gannon won with his arm, but not Collins.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Lefty
I agree it was the recoup clause that held up the deal. He was trying to protect himself against a Vick type situation. But the market parameters were pretty clear beforehand.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Gannon had a season were had 10+ games throwing for 300+ yards!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:05 pm
The good Ol’ Days.
Gannon, Garner, Brown, Rice, Porter, and a great Oline!! That was great, and fun to watch.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:08 pm
What ever happened to CB C Love? lol
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:10 pm
KK-that is what i said-the amount of money was never really the problem.
btw,many say JR hasn’t shown he can win games with his arm.in the TB game everyone seems to forget TB went up 24-14 and before Bush’s big run,JR drove the team down the field and threw a td to get us back in the game 24-21.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:11 pm
did u guys hear about mario henderson signing with drew rosenhaus if he does good this year hes getting big money
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/22/rosenhaus-bags-another-client/
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:12 pm
That drive not only showed off his arm, but his leadership and fire. That was big to me.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:14 pm
The TB games is a great game to build on. JR can win, Bush can run, Mario can play LT, and Chaz is a starter!
SDSU Baby!! For a small school, our players have good NFL careers.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
16,
Where have you been dude? I hope all is well with you.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:16 pm
And it wasn’t just the numbers. Russell moved away from pressure and delivered strikes while getting hit, something we hadn’t seen early this season.
“One of the things that was a real, real joy for me yesterday was to hear the offensive line on the sideline talk to me about his leadership in the huddle,” Cable said this morning. “When we got down by 10, the first thing he did back out in the huddle was say, ‘Hey, we got this. Everybody just chill out. We got it.’ And we got down and got the big PI (on Michael Bush’s pass to Todd Watkins) and, next play, boom, he throws a great ball to Johnnie (Lee Higgins) for the touchdown. And it’s off and running.”
http://raiders.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=2308619
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:21 pm
LAKERS!!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Russell, McFadden, Bush, Chaz, JLH, Oneal…the future looks bright on offense…unless a lack of an o-line and/or Al and Cable fuk it up.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Yo 16 is in da housssseeeeeee!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:37 pm
# itzSteve, 405
The posts about coverage/Nnamdi
I would play him on the strongside. He’s got the best instincts enabling him to break off coverage quicker than Johnson to help the LBs or safety cover TEs and back. Slant your coverage to Johnson’s side leaving the QB with the ‘easier’ dump off to the backs or ends. Fortunately Howard and Morrison give good coverage. Now, if we can stop the run………..
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:39 pm
(crickets)
See, this is what happens to the blog when we stick strictly to Raiders news in June…
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Dakota,
Do you want to talk about !ran? lol
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Yup.
Couldn’t see the screen for the tumbleweed
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Did you see that girl ( Neda)?
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Actually, I am looking at those pictures right now O.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Dakota,
Look at the video!
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:47 pm
I don’t get it, why shoot her??!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:49 pm
How about them Raiders? lol
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:50 pm
I just shool Willie Browns hand in the line at the Safeway’s deli
He bought 2 sandwiches a Tuna & cheese and a Ham & Cheese.
I couldn’t help myself, Im 56 years old, and act like a little kid whenever I see one of those guys.
I shook his hand and told how I used to watch him and Kent McCloughan. He was mildly impressed.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Oakland has the peices to surprise alot of people this year.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:51 pm
I just shook Willie Browns hand in the line at the Safeway’s deli
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:51 pm
They probably just shot into the crowd and got her as she was just watching…bad stuff.
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:54 pm
KK,
Did you ask him about the team, and what he thinks of Cable? Or were you smiling the entire time? lol
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Dakota,
How come CNN doesn’t show all what happens in Palest!ne, and we don’t care much about that area?
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:58 pm
KK,
Don’t wash your hand! lol save it, whatever IT is! lol
June 22nd, 2009 at 12:59 pm
I’ll bet Willie washed his hands, lol.
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:00 pm
No, I never ask them questions, I think it’s unfair and presumptuous. I just shake hands and wish them luck. And smile.!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Dakota,
I would hope so, he was about to eat. lol
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Kell: you should have told Willie Brown how you feel about Al Davis …
he would have spit in your face
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:05 pm
KK,
LMAO
You are right sir, I’m sure he’s tired of answering other fans. That’s very considerate of you.
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:05 pm
I always get a chuckle when I am away for a while and catch up on posts.
We all in one way or another drink the kool-aid because hey, thats what happens when you are a fan. But come on… some of the things people say are really a stretch.
I am sorry, I can be optimistic, but there is no way I can look at Oneal as the future because as much as we all dont want to admit it…. he may never see the NFL field again.
Last seasons preseason injury and he still isnt able to do any OTA….
I am holding out faith, just not betting the farm
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:09 pm
RR,
Maybe you should share your race views with Willie, he would have spit in your face too. Saying the N word.
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:10 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Kell: you should have told Willie Brown how you feel about Al Davis …
he would have spit in your face
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Nah, I’m sure he would have just smiled and gone on about his business. He’s a bigger man than you.
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Oh yeah, it’s getting chippy in here….
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
405: I don’t think the coaching staff is “betting the farm” on Oren O’Neal coming back and being ready to go by August or September. Otherwise they wouldn’t have signed Lorenzo Neal
Luke Lawton will back him up until O’Neal is ready to come off the PUP list. If OO’s injury needs more than 2 months of rehab/recovery by the time the season starts they’ll place him on Injured Reserve (which would stink for him and us fans, but wouldn’t surprise me…)
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Willie Brown? Good for you KK…which Safeway, BTW?
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Willie Brown has been great friends with Al Davis for over 40 years.
I’m sure he would have loved to hear your thoughts about him …
Kell: you always run your mouth, but if you met AD in person, you’d kiss the rings. so would your boy MR
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:16 pm
I though about asking him how I could get my Russell Jersey signed.
That’s who I’d love to see close up. No luck so far.
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:19 pm
my race views? Why would I talk to Willie about that?
has nothing to do with the Raiders, or even football in general.
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Bo
We’re on Bay Farm Island aka Harbor Bay. There’s only one shopping area out here anchored by SafeWay On Island Drive. It’s the only place players can and get a sandwich or something. Over the years, I’ve seen quite a few players and coaches in there.
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:21 pm
SAPPS a blabber mouth…But what he said in the article is the truth…
Players today care about 1. Money 2. Respect 3. Winning…
Look at all the players the Raiders have signed in the last few years even thought the team has sucked…
Moss, Sapp, Walker, etc.
Its about the money…Sad.
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:22 pm
If I met Willie Brown I tell him “great job” developing Nnamdi & CJ into they players they are today. shutdown corners, like he used to be …
Also ask him if there is any chance Michael Huff cracks the starting line up or even makes the team this year
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Kell: you always run your mouth, but if you met AD in person, you’d kiss the rings. so would your boy MR
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Of course I would! He’s been my hero most of my life.
You don’t get any of the subtleness of life do you?
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:30 pm
If KK met Al Davis:
KK: Mr. Davis, pleased to meet you I’m a huge Raiders fan!
Al Davis: I know you. You call yourself KK on that Jack McDonald’s blog and write nasty things about me! How’s ya motha? Now get the hell outta my face.
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
this is not about me, even though you and Raider O are trying to make it that way …
I was talking about Al Davis and Willie Brown
stick to the subject, why don’t ya?
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Rockstarr
sub·tle
Pronunciation:
\ˈsə-təl\
Function:
adjective
Inflected Form(s):
sub·tler \ˈsət-lər, ˈsə-təl-ər\ ; sub·tlest \ˈsət-ləst, ˈsə-təl-əst\
Etymology:
Middle English sotil, subtile, from Anglo-French, from Latin subtilis, literally, finely textured, from sub- + tela cloth on a loom; akin to Latin texere to weave — more at technical
Date:
14th century
1 a: delicate, elusive b: difficult to understand or perceive : obscure
2 a: perceptive, refined b: having or marked by keen insight and ability to penetrate deeply and thoroughly
3 a: highly skillful : expert b: cunningly made or contrived : ingenious
4: artful, crafty
5: operating insidiously
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Not everything is black & white young man.
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
LOL @ Dakota
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:34 pm
wow KK you can copy & paste from an online dictionary
I’m so proud of you!
Still.. we were talking about football, weren’t we?
I wonder Willie thinks about the new DB coach Lionel Washington?
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:35 pm
RR,
Please dude, don’t give yourself that much credit. It’s not about you!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Well Rockstarr
Next time Willie Brown passes through Podunk, Backwoods USA, you can ask him, ok?
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:38 pm
O: I made a football comment to Kell and you responded to that with a personal comment to me. a sarcastic one at that
I know it’s not about me (I just said that, duh)
Don’t try to make it about me
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:43 pm
I suppose Willie could come out this way.
TW (I think) said that Freddy B & Kenny came to Denver
Kansas City is only 3 hours from Podunk, Backwoods USA
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:43 pm
I made one comment!! ONE!! Like I said, don’t give yourself too much credit.
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:46 pm
lol
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Dakota,
LMAO
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:49 pm
I’ve seen a number of players up there, and you can’t just run up to them and start jabbering about Joe fan’s concerns. It’s rude presumptuous and arrogant. You have to take the situation into account.
Subtleties……youngster. Which you know nothing about.
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm
LOL @ post # 144
Al Davis is a work out warrior, according to most things i’ve read
He’s always working out. Makes you wonder why he doesn’t require the players to follow suit?
obviously health is important to him. just not the players? just win baby
AD could outlive us all !!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:52 pm
KK,
I’m subtle! lol
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Kell: football players are just people, like you and me. same thing with actors, singers and other celebrities …
If you can’t hold a normal conversation with people you run into that’s your problem. Has nothing to do with being “subtle”
you sure aren’t subtle on this blog. Why would you be in the real world? because on here you pretend to be somebody you’re not.
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Republican Govenor Missing
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Republican South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford left his mansion in a black sports utility vehicle on Thursday and hasn’t been heard from since, according to reports.
The governor’s wife told the Associated Press Monday that she does not know where the governor went. Lt. Gov. Andre Bauer also said he does not know where Sanford is — but that he has not been put in charge in the governor’s absence.
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/06/22/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5104342.shtml
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:58 pm
RR,
There was no need for post 122, you were not even talking to me. I guess I was still bothered by your comment from the other day.
Please excuse me.
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:00 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm
LOL @ post # 144
Al Davis is a work out warrior, according to most things i’ve read
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You’re such a naive little kid.
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Raider O: I made some nice comments about you on Friday. unless the mod got a hold of them they should still be there. I figured you read them, but by your recent responses I’m guessing we still haven’t buried the hatchet …
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
Can Uncle Al stop meddling long enough to let his coaches actually coach?
Will Uncle Al allow his coaches to instill some much needed discipline in their players?
Will Uncle Al let Jeff Garcia start if the quarterback outplays JMR in the preseason?
Is Uncle Al willing to cut non-performing high salaried players in order to make a statement to the rest of the team?
Will DHB catch more passes then he drops?
Could this offensive line effectively compete at the collegiate level?
Can the Raider nation and Davis sycophants look realistically at this team instead of engaging in mindless boosterism?
Will the Raiders win eight games this season?
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Celebrities are public people constantly approached by the public. They’ve heard all your questions millions of times.
***
Kell: how would you know that?
and how do you know AD doesn’t work out? old people and people in wheelchairs can still work out …
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Ohio: tough questions … what do u think?
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:07 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Raider O: I made some nice comments about you on Friday. unless the mod got a hold of them they should still be there. I figured you read them, but by your recent responses I’m guessing we still haven’t buried the hatchet …
______________________
where did you think you buried it? In the sand perhaps?
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Maybe, but probably no.
Yes
No
No
yes, if he gets on the field.
definetly
50%
yes
——answers from the 8 ball.
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:09 pm
that’s cold Dakota, even for a Republican!
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
RR,
No bro it’s buried, life is too short to waste on such things. That’s why I asked to excuse me. ( I also read those comments) I’m sorry bro, my emotions got the best of me this time.
Do you care to say those nice things again? lol
Like I said, there was no need for that post today, so please excuse me.
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:13 pm
BREAKING NEWS!
Chris Brown reached a plea agreement…he agrees to enter a guilty plea to one count of Simple Assault/Domestic Violence and the state has agreed to recommend the following sentence:
One beat down by Andrew Bynum
and a $25 dollar fine
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Hey guys I ran into your master Al Davis the other day at Wendy’s. I recorded the conversation on my Blackberry. Here is the transcript.
Al Davis: Hey kid, make your self useful and fill up my tires.
Charged Up: What?
AD: This is a gas station isn’t it?
CU: No, this is Wendy’s sir. Hey aren’t you Al Davis?
AD: That’s right. Order me a frosty! You a fan?
CU: No I hate your team. I’m a Chargers’ fan.
AD: Oh yeah. You guys have a bright future. I like that Phillip Riviera kid. You know, If I would have had him back in the 80s, we would have won at least 3 more Super Bowls. That kid is a winner. What did you say your name was again… Charged Up? That sounds familiar. Hey aren’t you one of those losers who spend way too much time on that inter web trying to do my job?
CU: No sir. You’r probably thinking of my friends RaiderRockstar, Beeecham, Madden Raider, and KoolKell.
AD: Oh yeah! Those guys are a bunch of deuches.
CU: Yeah! You know who the biggest deuche of them all is? El Dirty, he can’t even stay out of jail.
AD: Your pretty smart kid. You should come work for me in the front office….anyways, the Chargers have a bright future. I imagine they will win a Super Bowl before I do. But, we will be back to recapture our glory and take our rightful place back on top. The Raiddahs will prevail! But for now, next year’s Super Bowl champions will be the San Diego Chargers. Just Win Baby!
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Lefty12, SnB to argue with someone over Russell’s exploits so far is like argueing with aomeone over a player getting a hamstring and calling it unprofessional. Hahaha! these guy’s are just beautiful
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Way deep in the sand!! lol we have a lot if that in San Diego. That’s why I’m here, it reminds me of my old home! lol
It’s buried!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:17 pm
RaiderO,
Sand is a great preservative…so anytime you want to dig up that hatchet to hit Rockstar over the head with it, I am sure it will be in fine shape.
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Priesttj, please proofread before posting. Misspelled words only weaken your argument.
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Mod, what was wrong with that?
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Priest, have you ever met Al? And if so, what did you say the first time?
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Dakota,
LMAO @ 167.
Jerkjerkjerk!! I love it!! That’s my new hit!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:24 pm
wow. mod is really cleaning up the place!
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Also, when someone specifies the back7 of the defense it’s not at all an indicator of his mentality. He’s just being specifi as to the portion of the defense being discussed. When you say front7 you’re saying it too exclude the secondary or back7 to exclude the Dline. Kirk was just being descriptive.
Same as when someone says I play LBer or DB or Dline they’re speaking pof a specific grouping that’s all. Not a mentality.
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Smell ya later!
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:28 pm
On Chiefs Fans and Taunting
by Chris on Jun 22, 2009 1:47 PM CDT in 2009
What do you think of when you think about a Kansas City Chiefs rivalry? The Raiders? The Broncos? The Seahawks? Okay, no not the Seahawks.
A polite gentleman recently asked Primetime a few questions about taunting and what makes sports team’s fanbases tick, as he put it.
Who do you consider the Chiefs’ biggest rivals?
In years past, the answer would be without a doubt the Oakland Raiders. Historically, they probably still are our biggest rivals but in the last 15 years, the Denver Broncos have arisen as our biggest rivals.
The Raiders have had the worst six year stretch in NFL history and don’t really provide much competition (though they did beat us last season…that’s what a 2-14 record will get you!).
The Broncos have been playoff contenders nearly every season for quite some time. Though, if I had to guess, that will end with the ‘new’ Broncos and head coach Josh McDaniels.
What teams and specific NFL players do the casual or die-hard Chiefs fan hate the most?
The Raiders. We hate the Raiders all around. But hating them is slowly morphing into pity because they’re on such an awful, awful run as of late.
We also hate the Broncos, particularly John Elway. I hate Elway because he’s so good. He’s consider the ‘King of the Comeback’ by many and he broke my heart so MANY times. I’ll never forgive him for that.
He knocked the Chiefs out of the playoffs en route to their Super Bowl victory in January 1998 and his name still makes me sick to my stomach.
If you wanted to taunt players within the Chiefs’ division, who would be the biggest targets? The rest of the league?
The biggest targets would be Philip Rivers, JaMarcus Russell and Kyle Orton. Obviously, the quarterback is the face of the team (whether they like it or not…::cough::Raiders::cough) and they deserve much of the blame/credit for games.
Rivers comes off as whiny though my frustration with him comes more out of envy than anything. Russell and Orton have a lot to prove and neither have shown really anything at this point so they’ll be a fun group to laugh at this season (assuming their 2009 seasons are similar to what they’ve done in the past).
What kind of taunts would sting the casual Chiefs fan the most-going after the make-up of the fan base, individual players, coach, or the city?
Taking shots at Arrowhead stadium probably sting the most. For a long time, since the early 90s, Arrowhead has been aptly described as the Mecca of football experiences. It’s the loudest, the smell of barbecue flows and it was the hardest ticket in town.
With the Chiefs putrid six wins in the last two years, Arrowhead has lost its luster. Ticket prices are still high but they’re easy to come by now. In fact, 2008 was the first season I ever turned down tickets to a game.
Calling Arrowhead stadium “just another stadium” is probably the insult that stings the most at this point for Chiefs fans.
In less than 100 words, best describe the K.C. fan base.
Loud, devoted and lovers of all barbecue. We’re the child that really does believe that his dog was given away to a farm. We’re naive. We’ve been fooled into thinking we’re a Super Bowl contender so many times only watch the team fall flat on its face time after time. We’ll never learn.
What are the common stereotypes associated with Chief fans? In what ways are they true/false?
Missouri is one of the fattest states in America and I think that stereotype holds true at Chiefs games. Nothing against any of our fans, though, because I’m out there eating barbecue at 9:00 AM with the rest of them.
Another stereotype is that we’re obsessed with the team. This is a good stereotype to have. We’re the best fans in the NFL and have continued to “sell out” the stadium despite only winning six games in the past two seasons.
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…they are taking pity on us???…fuk them!
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Repost:
Dwaine Board has joined The Oakland Raiders coaching staff as the defensive line coach. Board, who tutored the defensive line with the Seattle Seahawks from 2003-08, previously served 23 seasons with the San Francisco 49ers, 10 as a player and 13 as an assistant coach. In 19 seasons as a coach, Board has sent players to 10 Pro Bowls and has coached one NFL Defensive Player of the Year.
From 2005-07, Board’s linemen helped Seattle rank second in the NFL with 136 sacks. His group generated 36 sacks in 2004, and in 2005, his unit contributed 32.5 of Seattle’s NFL-leading 50 sacks on the season. They also allowed just one 100-yard rusher, set the franchise mark by allowing only 94.4 rushing yards per game (5th in the NFL) and ranked second in the NFL by allowing only five rushing touchdowns.
Board made an immediate impact in his first season, helping improve Seattle’s run defense from last in the NFL to 19th in 2003, the second-greatest turnaround in the NFL behind New England. He also helped the club rank fourth in the NFC and seventh in the NFL with 41 sacks.
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Is this more acceptable moderator:
Hey guys I ran into your master Al Davis the other day at Wendy’s. I recorded the conversation on my Blackberry. Here is the transcript.
Al Davis: Hey kid, make your self useful and fill up my tires.
Charged Up: What?
AD: This is a gas station isn’t it?
CU: No, this is Wendy’s sir. Hey aren’t you Al Davis?
AD: That’s right. Order me a frosty! You a fan?
CU: No I hate your team. I’m a Chargers’ fan.
AD: Oh yeah. You guys have a bright future. I like that Phillip Riviera kid. You know, If I would have had him back in the 80s, we would have won at least 3 more Super Bowls. That kid is a winner. What did you say your name was again… Charged Up? That sounds familiar. Hey aren’t you one of those losers who spend way too much time on that inter web trying to do my job?
CU: No sir. You’r probably thinking of my friends RaiderRockstar, Beeecham, Madden Raider, and KoolKell.
AD: Oh yeah! Those guys are a bunch of goof balls.
CU: Yeah! You know who the biggest goof ball of them all is? El Dirty, he can’t even stay out of jail.
AD: Your pretty smart kid. You should come work for me in the front office….anyways, the Chargers have a bright future. I imagine they will win a Super Bowl before I do. But, we will be back to recapture our glory and take our rightful place back on top. The Raiddahs will prevail! But for now, next year’s Super Bowl champions will be the San Diego Chargers. Just Win Baby!
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Met him when I was 19 in the locker room at Port of Oakland, I was actually trying to hide from him. Since then I’ve met him so many times can’t remember all the conversations.
The first conversation I can honestly remember was the time we talked outside the locker room and I asked him why he was leaving Oakland, and why can’t he stay.
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Enjoy the rest of the day Gents, later Nation.
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Do you really think I care enough to take the time to proofread? I’m a very slow typer with two fingers.
No time!
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Not Very Impressive, imo
Veteran coach Ted Tollner has joined The Oakland Raiders coaching staff as Passing Game Coordinator. Tollner spent 2007-’08 as an offensive assistant and quarterbacks coach in his second stint with the San Francisco 49ers.
The former Cal-Poly quarterback coached at the College of San Mateo from 1968-1972, and was the offensive coordinator at San Diego State from 1973-1980. In 1981, Tollner tutored quarterbacks at BYU.
Tollner joined the staff at Southern Cal in 1982 and became the head coach at USC in 1983. He was 26-20-1 as USC’s head coach from 1983-’86 and led the Trojans to victory in a Rose Bowl and a Pac-10 title.
Tollner, who has 46 years of coaching experience at the high school, college, and pro levels, served as the Buffalo Bills’ wide receivers coach from 1987-’88, the San Diego Chargers’ offensive coordinator from 1989-1991, and the quarterbacks coach for the then-Los Angeles Rams from 1992-’93. He returned to San Diego State as Head Coach from 1994 until 2001.
He joined the 49ers as quarterbacks coach in 2002 and was promoted to offensive coordinator in 2004. In 2005, Tollner joined the Detroit Lions’ coaching staff where he served as offensive coordinator and tight ends coach.
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June 22nd, 2009 at 2:50 pm
What is the difference between Bird Flu and Swine Flu?
For bird flu you need tweetment.
for swine flu you need oinkment.
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:52 pm
KK, he’s just a QB coach and passing game coord. What are we looking for? Gruden was just OC hired as HC.
Tollner studies Russell and the patterns he excels at to determine what type of passing ame suits him best.
Cable is biulding the offense around Russells abilities. That’s where Tollner is most helpful with his vast experince in how to get that done..
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:53 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:50 pm
What is the difference between Bird Flu and Swine Flu?
For bird flu you need tweetment.
for swine flu you need oinkment.
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You bring so much perspective and wisdom to this blog!
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:54 pm
On friday the Chargers released guard Sam Allen, cornerback Ramarcus Brown, wide receiver Jeremy Childs and linebacker Anthony Felder. All were rookie free agents.
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there goes their shot at the AFC West!
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:55 pm
You bring so much perspective and wisdom to this blog!
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thanks KK! I expect you to hold down the fort, because I get off in 4 minutes …
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
see ya tomorrow fellers
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Tollner spent 2007-’08 as an offensive assistant and quarterbacks coach in his second stint with the San Francisco 49ers.
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Not very impressive, BHP.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:10 pm
OK, if you say so……… but what are you looking for?
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Charged Down: Oh my God, it’s Blink 182! You guys are like the coolest band ever, can you sign my face?
Tom: Kid, where’s your mom?
CD: You mean mommy? She’s at home making extra Pop Tarts for the pool man. But for some reason she can only do that when they’re both in the shower.
Travis: Dude, look at the size of that kid’s zits -
CD: You guys know I’m in this super cool band who only plays covers of your songs? Isn’t that awesome?
Mark: No, little dude, that’s actually totally weak. Why don’t you learn enough chords where you can write your own music? Only losers play other peoples songs.
CD: Yeah, but I’m also a Charger fan.
Travis: Enough said.
CD: I just peed in my pants being so close to you guys. And next I think I might have a wet dream in my pants. Just like I did the other day when mommy was wiping mustard off my pajamas.
Tom: Kid, we gotta show to do, so -
CD: But what about signing my face?
Mark: Sorry, we only have a little ink left in this pen and we have to save it for writing our next hit song on that roll of toilet paper in the bathroom.
CD: I’m going home to cry to my Philip Rivers doll!
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
Priest
I’d like to see somewhere in his CV where’s he’s made a difference.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:37 pm
I guess he helped QB Shaun Hill?
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:39 pm
Whats the name of our offensive coordinator? what? we don’t have one? genius, zero accountability, just what we need! weeeee!
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Tom Cable’s job is always on the line.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Krappy, you seem to be extra medicated today. I’m guessing you popped a few Benadryl into your post-nap Hot Pocket?
Anyway, with all of the ridiculous nonsense you’re posting on the blog I’m guessing you won’t come down until around 6 or 7 tonight. Hopefully by then you won’t have an enormous crap in your pants, but if you do go directly to the side of house and hose yourself down.
But if for some reason you wander off in a fog towards the Wendy’s drive thru, please try to keep your pants on. Don’t want to ruin any kid’s childhood, now do we?
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Of course the GM is not accountable, though.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Beech, I got lot’s of Beech’s to look after me. If you’re worried about crapped pants, you should apply to be Al Davis’ man-assistant.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Krappy, if you do have plenty of caregivers to look after your old man needs, then why do they :
1) Allow you to walk around all day in freshly crapped pajamas
2) Wander through the Arby’s drive thru half nude
3) Routinely overdose on Benadryl and post lame articles on a football blog all day long
We need answers, ol’ Krappy!
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Beech
You must have me confused with your daddy.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:59 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 1:51 pm
“Al Davis is a work out warrior”
…..
That’s it. See you guys in another month or so. I just can’t deal with this anymore.
June 22nd, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Good grief, Krappy – how many pills did you take today? Do you not feel that huge dump in your overalls?
Anyway, there is no way I can help you unless you’re honest with all of us and, more importantly, honest with yourself.
Besides your failing bowels, you have many other old man issues that require constant medical attention. Falling asleep in your morning bowl of oatmeal is not considered “normal”, alright Krappy?
So let’s get you the help you deserve!
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Beech, You’re sooooooooo Lame.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Beech
Did take care of your father’s bowell needs? You seem to be scarred by it. lol.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Hey Mod
Have you noticed Beechams’s conversations. His only post’s crap. lol
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Krappy, you’re much too old to be telling on anyone.
I know you’re too senile to handle your own battles, but trying to get the mod to do them for you? Tsk, tsk, Krappy. Tsk, tsk.
Anyway, all I’m trying to do is help you here and get you into a good retirement home where all of your needs can be met.
We’ll all be happy – this blog will be Krappy-free and you’ll have clean underwear for most of the day.
Doesn’t that sound like fun, Krappy?
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Beech, you still my beech, no?
I gotta run for a minute, will return around 5pm, beech
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Krappy, you have the runs all day, that’s the point. Just promise you’ll clean yourself up when you’re done, ok? The hose out back should do the job.
Good grief.
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:53 pm
So, the story/rumor is that if Huff doesn’t show improvement in training camp, he may be cut? Let me save you some time, Al. He’s a BUST. Cut him yesterday!
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Bitcham, you must sure love you some KoolKell???
You spend quite a bit of time thinking about him don’t cha??
I understand… MANCRUSH… it is natural for you folks on that side (SF) of the Bay.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:12 pm
C. Johnson is a studd! Hell no he’s no mirage! 21 & 37, best QB tandum in the NFL baby!
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:15 pm
DirtyRaccoon Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Bitcham, you must sure love you some KoolKell???
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Beech is obsessed with me, and doesn’t care who knows either, lol
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:15 pm
CB?
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:16 pm
CB yes, CB! You know what I meant! Bummer, he’ll be too old to resign when his first real contract is up for renewal LOL…
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:17 pm
O, he is? I did not catch that.
Sorry, my mistake. So it is Kelly who has the MANCRUSH on you? Hmm, Well if you ever find that pasta eatin pig kin Oakglenn yall can have a threesome.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Mario Henderson & Chris Johnson, CO-RAIDER MVP 2008
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:19 pm
What about 81? 1k+ yards? Anyone but Zack Miller break 800 this year??????? If anyone it’ll be Shillens IMO.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:23 pm
KK,
i still got the last 2 games of the season on my DVR (yeah, I’m obsessed), and have watched ‘em both about 8 yimes a piece. 16-0 right? Why didnt we make the playoffs? JK
anyways, Henderson had moster games in both. there was a couple plays I was like “whoa, cant believe he stayed with that guy” and bam, just enough pocket time to get that 1st down. Be exciting to watch this year hopefully.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:24 pm
If Shiliens gains 1,000 yds I’d be happy & surprised.
Dmac & Miller
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Dmac 1000 rushing? I hope we hand him the rock that many times, but I think we’re gonna see alot of M. Bush this season in tandum with him 1500 rushing yards combined IMO. If he breaks 1000 recieving…. Well, I just can’t see that with RB next to his number on the roster…
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Management waited too long to make their personnel moves.
Wasted the year on Kwame Harris, Ron Curry, DeAngelo Hall, Justin Fargas.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Dmac a 1,000 yds Passing.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Very much agreed! We forced Dmac to play hurt as well which gave us more games of half-a-mac, instead of fewer games with the entire #20. Thats all in the trainers though (hence “team MCfadden” to the rescue).
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:34 pm
I think Dmac & Miller will have so much production in the passing game, I don’t see a Raider WR as that productive with this group of options.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Recieving you mean? Has there ever been a RB over 1000 recieving yards besides Marshal Faulk? Faulk played EVERY down too. I just dont think its possible, but good wishfull thinking I guess….
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:39 pm
I dont know, Schilens looked like a beast out there the last 2 games. I think if he’s healthy, he’ll be our guy.
Not knockin what your saying about Miller and Dmac though, no doubt they both should have incredible seasons.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:44 pm
I think the ball is going to be spread around between Bush, Dmac, Miller, Shiliens, JLH. I think it’s going to be hard for Chaz to get 1,000. So many weapons. Plus they’ll probably be run-heavy.
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Probably the most logical answer. I’d be nice to have a consistant 1000 yard anything at this point…
June 22nd, 2009 at 5:52 pm
quoth jerry Mc – “Russell need to identify himself this year as someone who can carry not just the passing game but the entire team.”
Granted that is an idea expounded by many here. Crap, even in NY Eli was given more time than that. The wisdom of impatience is not wisdom at all.
This year? This very season he has to go from an okay and learning QB to carrying the entire team? A suspect O-line protecting him and a suspect receiving corps due to inexperience and a suspect defensive line that has shown little excellence for a while. And JaMarcus Russell, by himself, is supposed to carry the team? This ain’t basketball, Lebron.
The impatience exhibited by Mr Blog and many here is definitely void of understanding the situation. Those who wish Mr Happyfeet to be the QB offer short-sightedness as a virtue. The franchise QB is going to take his lumps, have his miscues and fail altogether at times. It is called the learning process. Or, perhaps, some have the vein of “hoping he fails” to prove themselves right as certain ex-VPs and talk show blowhards wish upon someone else.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Agreed MLT, 2010-2011 is the season to start slapping a “bust” tag on him not this season. (And only if we kep the coaching staff in place).
going HOME! HURAH1
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:01 pm
I have no belief whatsoever that DMc can carry the load of a full NFL season. He seemed too fragile to me on draft day ‘08 and continued thru last year. I hope I am 100% incorrect.
1,000 yards rushing means nothing. 4 or 5 excellent games may = 700 yards. a dozen more for 30 yards /game and you get a grand.
DMc’s health is the only issue. As`a runner and receiver he can torch opposing Ds. Can he remain on the field?
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:02 pm
I think it’s fair to say that Jerry McDonald is very skeptical regarding Russell. I think a alot of the “Parroting” in here comes from him
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:07 pm
KoolKell,
sadly, your supposition of “parroting” is evident. that and listening to the blah blah blah of BSPN negativity and then taking it as gospel.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:21 pm
ChargedUp still cant stop thinking about that back-door pounding El-Dirty gave him
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:23 pm
El-Dirty is serving his time 4dat,cu,so leave El-Dirty alone punk
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:24 pm
I see Jerry took down his Wed June 17 Blog, where he doubted the QB’s words regarding his intent to work on his own with the Receivers.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:24 pm
KK,Im sure that this point has been made over and over,but, again,SNAKE sat on the bench for 5 years,w/ the clip board!I understand its a new era,all the money,salary cap,etc lets stay w/ our QB,HES IMPROVING,looking forward to a smashing season! Raiders!!!!!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:50 pm
What is the difference between Bird Flu and Swine Flu?
For bird flu you need tweetment.
for swine flu you need oinkment
gotta love it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Yeah, but Snake was before free Agency and 70 million dollar contracts. But I get your point. Al is used to bringing along rookies slowly.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:37 pm
4evaRaider Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:26 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 2:50 pm
What is the difference between Bird Flu and Swine Flu?
For bird flu you need tweetment.
for swine flu you need oinkment
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Yeah, that about sums up Raiderrockstar’s input on this Raider blog.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:41 pm
RaiderRockstar may be,shall we say,overzealous sometimes but he has contributed much,imo
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:45 pm
MLonetree,
Outstanding post earlier about Russell and the blog. A lot of folks don’t even know what it means to develop a QB. Because the Raiders have never developed a QB in over 30 years….Raider fans also don’t have a clue about the payoff of developing a franchise QB. They don’t realize that the main reason that teams like Pittsburgh, Giants, Eagles, Patriots, Packers with Favre, Cowboys with Aikman are so successfull is because they get/got great QB play for 5 to 10 years. They don’t realize that the more playoff runs you make the greater the chance of winning a Super Bowl. They don’t understand that why some teams only make a playoff run once a decade or worst because they constantly shift QBs every 3 or 4 years because some vet retires and his glory days are behind him. See the Minnesota Vikings.
Many Raiders fans just know retread vet after retread vet. That’s why they are clamoring for Jeff Garcia. Jeff fits. He fits like Rich Gannon or Jeff Hostetler…guys that might give you a year or 2…but then have to retire and the team start over. Watch what happens to the Cardinals after Warner retires at the end of 2009. Back to the cellar.
Stick with Russell and like Lonetree elegantly stated…let the guy develop and BUILD A TEAM for him to lead.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:47 pm
What a bunch of crap who cares what Sap thinks he just talks to hear himself. Raiders will contend for the division with a good running game and young talent. BOOK IT
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:50 pm
Jeff Hostetler took a beating every Sunday and was twice the QB of Jeff George and thats the truth.
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:51 pm
they gonna win it ,imo Lynn
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:54 pm
g-nite NATION
June 22nd, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Is that a fact KK, Jerry deleted his own blog for the 17th?
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Anyone who watched the Tampa game and saw the two QB’s perform and still prefer Garcia over Russell, either doesn’t understand the game or is lying. Garcia missed wide open recievers was hesitant and his passes hung in the air for DB’s to feast on. We should’ve intercepted him at least 3 times.
Garcia is a has been who really never was. That’s what’s so pathetic about the media hating on Russell they’d rather have a washed up Garcia than Russell because of who drafted him.
Garcia lost his last 4 games on a playoff team. Even Farve doesn’t get that much credit.
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Do you see any Blog from Jerry for Wed the 17th. that was the day of Media Accesibility and JR’s announcement, no?
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:19 pm
KK I can’t remember, it just surprised me that Jerry would do THAT. I thought even though I knew he didn’t think much of Russell, that’s stooping a little low.
Jerry never says anything positive about the Russell but as soon as something negative happens we get a new thread.
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:29 pm
What did Jerry do now?
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Jerry should work for CNN!! lol
I’m playing Jerry, you are better than that.
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Priest
I checked the Blogs, you can too. Just click back through Jerry’s entries. There’s one Tue & Thurs.
I remember the one announcing Russell’s plans, were met with skeptisim that they would actually happen.
Can anyone testify, can I get a witness? Holla!
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Which is worse, Fox news or CNN? I can’t tell anymore.
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:35 pm
http://www.profootballtalk.com/2009/06/22/raiders-huff-could-be-cut-if-he-doesnt-win-starting-job/
Sounds like Huff will be hanging out with Vince Young in the near future.
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:39 pm
KK,
The one from Wed the 17th is still there!! It’s was: DHB pulls up, Mitchell still hurting.
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:44 pm
KK,
” OTA news and notes” was also from Wed the 17th.
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:49 pm
245. Amen
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Raider O Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Which is worse, Fox news or CNN? I can’t tell anymore.
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There is no difference. 90% of american media is illegally owned by only six companies.
THE BIG SIX:
http://www.freepress.net/ownership/chart/main
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Thanks O, My bad. But, this from Jerry:
“I think it’s a big step. It’s kind of what we’ve been talking about all along, and to hear about that is obviously a positive from a coaches’ standpoint,” Cable said. “It will be good to hear how that goes and what his plan is.”
Sounds great, but we’ll probably never know which receivers show up, which ones are healthy enough to show up, and which ones are advised by their agents or the union to not show up.”
June 22nd, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Garcia is an insurance policy cuz Davis is dead serious about winning this year. The Raiders lease is up with Oakland in 2010 and they MUST be a winning,viable team by then.
Garcia has it over Russell in experience and another vital component, pocket awareness.
He can create on the move as well and given the state of Oaklands protection lo’ these post super bowl years, that could be a valuable commodity.
Hopefully with new blood, recent additions and the subtraction of a certain 49er, Oakland will be better at keeping who ever is under center upright in 09′.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Hopefully with new blood, recent additions and the subtraction of a certain 49er,
You can say Kwame its alright.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Nnamdi21,
Jeff Garcia is here to be a backup QB. In this league having a good backup is critical. New England Patriots proved that last year.
Al Davis wants to win but he is also realistic about where the team is at right now. That should be good news as it means more younger players should get time on the field.
This is JaMarcus’s team and he is going to surprise his many detractors this year with some pretty good play.
The thing that I liked about JaMarcus down the stretch is that he played within the offense and didn’t turn the ball over. As Cable opens up the playbook more and Russell with a full off-season of coaching and better receivers…Russell should be a top 15 passer this year.
It still amazes me that people get fired up about some OTA and yet are so dismissive about real live football games.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Niners coach Mike Singletary recently claimed he almost made Crabtree cry when the rookie ran with a broken foot before the doctors cleared him.
LMFAO!
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Russell will only be a top 15 passer if he is allowed to throw the ball 30 times a game.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:26 pm
JHill,
I see Russell getting 25 to 30 passes a game. They didn’t draft Murphy and DHB with Schilens, JLH, DMAC and Miller to toss the ball 15 or 20 times a gmae.
Cable, Tollner, Hackett and Lal will have had a full offseason with the offense. I also think with Bush and DMAC getting 4.5+ per carry will lessen the predictability of the offense.
Man, the Raiders have some young athletic players that are going to start from week 1. Young players that have played together.
When’s the last time that’s happened
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Top passer in Passer Rating.
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Russell finished the last 7 games with a 91 passer rating, and people act like he pissed in Al Davis’ soup.
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Nnamdi21 what you call pocket awareness, drove Gruden nuts! Garcia’s happy feet cost them plenty in timing and accuracy. Guy’s would get open and he would be dancing around with the ball in his hands.
There was a time when he was very good at that, he no longer is. He is a check down passer with happy feet and very little down field accuracy.
IMO it’s his confidence that he can get the ball there before the defender makes up the difference and picks it off.
Again if you watch the Tampa game and just study him, also for added emphasis listen to Gannon criticize him constantly.
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:14 pm
In fact the last play of that game says it all. He took a sack holding on to the ball way too long dancing in the backfield. He doesn’t even run like he used to.
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:19 pm
The first time I saw Russell play for Oakland, my first impression was how good his pocket presence is. Especially after watching Andrew Walter’s complete non-awareness.
June 22nd, 2009 at 9:54 pm
KK, you’re a man after my own heart. Post #268 was one of the first things I saw when I studied the kid. When he finally figures out what defenses are doing to try to stop the offense. He will victimize them with athleticism and arm strength very similar to what Elway used to do only much more from the pocket. When DC’s gameplanned Elway they tried to keep him in the pocket which was his weakness. Not the case with Russell he can see the entire field.
The pro game will eventually slow down for him and then the natural ability will take over. He scrambled out of the pocket plenty last year but his gimpy ankle wouldn’t allow the aggressive running I saw in college. When he ran often sometimes as many as 6 times in a game. If he can stay healthy and get the technique down in his drops 3 step 5 step and 7 step. He is going to be very scary as a QB.
This session with the receiving corp should help with the timing and familiarity. Then training camp will allow them to see what works and what doesn’t.
In all honesty I doubt that Raider fans really understand what they have in Russell. All they ever talk about is his gut and the other ignorant peripheral stuff. The Raiders under all the crap have one of the scariest talents at QB in the history of this league. If he develops we will be dominant for many years because of Russell.
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Nnamdi,
Hank you for the link bro. GE is killing them at 180+ bil, and the smallest of the group stands at 14 Bil. Amazing!!
All that money, and they can get it right. Or maybe they do!!!!
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:11 pm
Nnamdi,
*thank you.
June 22nd, 2009 at 10:57 pm
[...] Read more. [...]
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:38 pm
If Huff doesn’t play better, he will be cut to keep Jerome Boyd. IMHO
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:46 pm
Boyd has been playing well according to Cable, and Huff makes too much money to sit on the bench and be a backup.
June 22nd, 2009 at 11:54 pm
All Boyd has to do is play better than K Davis, and he will make the roster.
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:14 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
This IS funny!!!
jhill Says:
June 22nd, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Niners coach Mike Singletary recently claimed he almost made Crabtree cry when the rookie ran with a broken foot before the doctors cleared him.
LMFAO!
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:20 am
420
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:26 am
It’s gonna be FUN 2B able 2 compare DHB and Crabtree throughout thier career’s,imo.Ahhhh the ‘ole story within a story thing!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:28 am
Please cut huff now I can’t take another game of mr. always a step late the next time he jacks somebody up will be his first time for us what a waste.
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:44 am
Maybe in a new scheme Huff might do ok.I would rather have Branch and da Missle start but Huff could take a pay-cut and add depth,maybe
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:45 am
Hell,I’m even willing to say it was all robbo ryan and give everyone a pass on D.Thats what it looks like is happening anyway,imo
June 23rd, 2009 at 4:52 am
GM all!
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:29 am
Morning Bo =)
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:38 am
zzzzzzzzzzzzz
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:43 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
I think everyone gets a pass until we see what Marshall can do with this D…
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:47 am
Morning All,
From PFT:”Drew Rosenhaus announced Monday that he has signed Oakland Raiders left tackle Mario Henderson as a new client.”
This means problems if Henderson is the starter. Drew’s clients and Drew himself are problems. Only Raider with him as agent.
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:49 am
Oh no…so if Super Mario has a Super year…then contract negotiations are due? i miss the old days of the NFL…where players played the game!
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:49 am
I love when ever I read Rob Ryan comments, never seen a guy try to milk a SB ring as the LB coach as much as he does I can’t wait to watch Marshall and hope he dosen’t coodle the players like RR did.
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:53 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FANS,HWNDR,4EVA,EXLA..WHERE IS DONALD HOLLIS THESE DAY’S,NEED ONE MORE THIRD-STRING Q.B ON THE ROSTER 4 CAMP…
June 23rd, 2009 at 5:56 am
Donald Hollis…LOL
Thanks Dirt Lot, I almost spit my coffee out…haha
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:01 am
I can’t stand Drew Rosenhaus. Destroyer of teams. Most of his clients are self centered SOB’s. Prime example was T.O. Mario hasn’t even locked up the position and he is trying to set himself up for a mega deal for a L.T.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:03 am
Rosenhaus represents over 100 NFL players, Tommie Harris, Plaxico Burress, Chad Ocho Cinco (Johnson), Willis McGahee, Santana Moss, Terrell Owens, Kellen Winslow Jr, Jeremy Shockey, Zach Thomas, Frank Gore, Lance Briggs and others.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:04 am
You need at least 4 safeties on the roster, and Eugene, Mitchell and Branch are all safe, so Huff is competing for that potentially last spot with Davis and a few others I can’t name right now becuase it is 6am. I thought Huff played great on ST at the end of last year, but that’s Keith Davis’ MO as well, so Huff better step it up. One injury to one of the top 3 and Huff, gasp, might be starting again week 1.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:04 am
I know…that’ what got me scratching my head on that one…times are hard, I know, but I’ll take HIS current salary now for 16 weeks. That would still be more than I make in a year!
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:04 am
forgot to give wiki credit for the cut and paste.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:05 am
I don’t think Drew wants to get into a chess match with Al Davis, Al is about vendetta’s and proving points these days (unfortunately) so I doubt Drew would win that match of wills.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:06 am
FREE DON HOLLIS!!!!
LMAO @ SUPER mario……Rosenbum is a joke amd I can’t wait for him to try to smartass talk Uncle Al….
Drew: Hello, mr. Davis I’m hear seeking a new contract for my client.
Al: I don’t resisn Jerry jones’s guys for him!
Drew: No It’s your guy Mario Henderson.
Al: Who!?!?!
Drew: you know your STARTING (in smart azz tone) LT your anchor to your O-line!
Al: Ohhh.. him hes cut get out of my office!!!!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!
ohhh….morning NATION!!!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:14 am
THE DONALD HOLLIS & RUSTY HILGER Q.B. CAMP 4 KID’S—NO REFUND’S
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:18 am
well, well
aloha a.m. crew
one can suppose that Super Mario believes he will up his game to Jonathan Odgen type play. that is all fine. the funny money he and his new despicable carnival barker/agent may wish IS dependant upon Super Mario actually playing like an elite LT. guess we’ll see how it all lays out.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:21 am
I hope that Super mario does because took him, what, almost all season to finally beat out Turnstile Harris…wait, that was Cable…oops!
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:22 am
yep a win-win 4 us
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:24 am
ST. LOUIS — La’Roi Glover, a six-time Pro Bowl selection at defensive tackle who once led the NFL in sacks, announced his retirement Monday after 13 seasons.
Glover, who turns 35 on July 4, spent the past three seasons with St. Louis. He was not re-signed following the 2008 season, when he had 30 tackles and one-half sack. A Rams spokesman said the team had no comment.
“I’m blessed that I was able to play this game that I love for so long. It has been such an incredible journey,” Glover said in a prepared statement.
Glover was selected by Oakland in the fifth round of the 1996 draft out of San Diego State. Considered undersized at 290 pounds, he played in just two games as a rookie, with two tackles and no sacks.
His career took off a year later in New Orleans, where he had 50 sacks over five seasons, including an NFL-best 17 in 2000 — a rare feat for a tackle. From 1998-2000, only two players had more sacks than Glover’s 35.5 — Kevin Carter (39.5) and Warren Sapp (36).
Glover had 21.5 sacks in four seasons in Dallas and 12 in three seasons in St. Louis. He signed with the Rams as a free agent before the 2006 season.
Glover had 627 tackles and 83.5 sacks for his career. He was also known for his durability. After playing 15 games in 1997, Glover played in all 16 games in each of the past 11 seasons.
He has also earned off-the-field honors. He established the La’Roi Glover Foundation in 1999, providing scholarships to San Diego-area students and assisting children’s charities. He was the Rams’ 2007 Walter Payton Man of the Year award winner.
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S&B: does this make you angry? we could have had an anchor on the D-Line for 10-12 years, but we gave up on him too soon. Al Davis even drafted the man!
no wonder Joe Bugel got fired after only 1 season!
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:24 am
wait, that was Cable…oops!
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I knew he was the best o-line man we had!!! how manuy games did he strap it up??? Wait he was the the one leadin the way for bush and co. against T.B. wasnt he??
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:24 am
WELL SAID M LONETREE -299, WE CAN ONLY HOPE THIS BECOMES AN ISSUE, MARIO PLAY’S AT AN ALL-PRO LEVEL, AND THE FRONT OFFICE HAS TO DEAL WITH MR ROSENHAUS.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:24 am
I LLLooovvvveee it!!1
Don’t hold your breath B-Marsh and Kennard Mac. The Denver Broncos have you by your Rocky Mountain oysters.
Wide receiver Brandon Marshall and his agent, Kennard McGuire, are trying to make a deal, but all they are doing is making noise. Owner Pat Bowlen is flying way below the salary cap and has no intention, or the money, to get anywhere near the 2009 cap, which will be around $126 million.
Under the cap
They’ll go to battle this season at around $14 million under the cap, and that’s because your Denver Broncos are cash poor and have been for several years. Bowlen is gagging on the $20 million he still has to pay former head coach Mike Shanahan and a bunch of his departed his departed staff, never mind the Goodman’s.
It’s getting expensive playing an NFL owner on TV, isn’t it Pat?
That’s all Bowlen can do is play like he’s a big-time owner. Those days are over. Bowlen has made so many mistakes, he can’t begin to count them, and he is being overcome by the problems this franchise is facing. He’s kind of just holding on and hoping all his problems will all go away and the economy turns around.
Sorry, fur coat man, your problems have just begun. The top free agents in the league used to flock here in the offseason, but now all they are getting is glorified backups from a real team, or older players who may be loosing a step if they haven’t already.
Marshall wants a raise
In the midst of all of this, Marshall wants more money, and the Broncos are holding all of his cards. Marshall cannot risk losing too much time in camp, as he’s under contract. Next season’s collective bargaining agreement is now a non-cap year. Four-year players who were going to be unrestricted free agents will have to wait until their sixth year to become a free agent. Doesn’t sound fair, but it’s the corner Marshall and McGuire are trying to paint their way out of.
At that point the Broncos will just put the franchise tag on Marshall for the next two seasons. The Broncos understand their position perfectly and are not about to renegotiate themselves into more bad money out the door.
The franchise tag is still a boatload of money for Marshall — it’s the average salary of the top five receivers in the league. But it’s not the lottery, which is what he wants.
The Broncos haven’t won throwing money at the problem. Now they’re hoping a new system and a little coaching can get the job done. If the Josh McDaniels experiment doesn’t work, the Broncos will be going into a bottom-of-the-league mode for the foreseeable future.
This could get ugly. Cross your orange and blue fingers.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:26 am
Yup, both times that Bush had good games (I think the first one was in KC)…hmmm…
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:27 am
LaRoi Glover Announces Retirement
RIP Ed McMahon.
Hey Ho!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:28 am
Rosenhaus isn’t a heavy-hitter like a Scott Boras or others, he is just a media-whore. Wasn’t he supposed to get Ochocinco traded and a new contract or TO getting a big pay-day? Last I looked neither of those really happened. With that being said if Henderson is a starting LT, and a good one, he is going to want starting LT money, which is one of the highest paying positions due to so many top 5 picks at the position.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:29 am
yes Raider fans, last season began with Turnstile and Mop Handle as bookends anchoring the O-line. now things are definitely looking up as we only have 1/2 of that tandem ready to roll. addition by subtraction means that the glass is definitely half something. you decide.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:30 am
SEAN JONES ABOUT 20 YRS AGO, SAME STORY, DRAFTED, LET GO TO SOON,BLOSSEMD ELSWHERE..
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:30 am
RaiderRockstar may be,shall we say,overzealous sometimes but he has contributed much,imo
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thanks 4eva.
overzealous – marked by excessive enthusiasm for and intense devotion to a cause or idea
in other words… drinking the Kool-Aid!
yeah baby! Playoffs 2009.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:32 am
good morning Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, OAKlifer, 4eva …
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:32 am
AHHH the old days….
From Wiki:
Donald Wayne Hollas (born November 22, 1967 in Kingsville, Texas) is a former professional American football quarterback in the NFL. He was selected in the 4th round of the 1991 NFL Draft by the Cincinnati Bengals. He played 20 games between 1991-1994 for the Bengals. He was out of the league between 1995-1997, until the Oakland Raiders brought him back in 1998. He retired after the season.
Hollas played in the Arena Football League with the Texas Terror before signing with the Raiders in 1997.[1] Going into the 1998 season with Oakland, Hollas had only attempted two passes in the NFL since 1992, however after an injury to starter Jeff George, Hollas saw significant action with the Raiders that season. Oakland was on a two game winning streak when Hollas took over the 3-2 Raiders starting job, after having helped them to a 23-20 victory over Arizona the week before with a touchdown run after taking over for the injured George. Then he promptly led them to three more victories in a row for a five game winning streak and a 6-2 record at the halfway point under first-year head coach Jon Gruden. As the second half of the season commenced, Hollas began to struggle and the Raiders lost four out their next five games to drop to a 7-6 record. Hollas’s erractic play was a large factor in his team’s poor play. He threw 14 interception during that five-game stretch with three of the pickoffs being returned for touchdowns. His worst game was his last as a starter as he threw six interceptions against the Dolphins in a 27-17 loss.[2]
Hollas was benched the next game in favor of longtime veteran Wade Wilson, and only played sparingly the rest of the season behind Wilson and Jeff George. The Raiders finished that season at 8-8.[3] Hollas retired after the season.
Hollas coached with the Houston Marshals of the Spring Football League in 2000 and Junior Varsity baseball at his alma mater – Lamar Consolidated High School in Richmond, Texas in 2006.
Hollas is currently the head football coach at St. Thomas High School in Houston, Texas. He was hired for that position in May 2008, the same week that Craig Biggio was hired as the school’s baseball manager.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:32 am
Hey Oaklifer, I remember reading that you saw Mistah Fab the other week, and I wouldn’t be doing my boys any justice if I didn’t tell you to check them out. Their name is Dubbsack Music, google it and you can find their myspace page and other links. They have opened for Mistah a few times, out of Tracy (I know insert joke here) but VERY lyrical.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:33 am
good morning Vegas, M, TW, exla …
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:34 am
good morning NMF, BSJ …
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:34 am
I was at the Donald Hallas six pick game against Miami. I’m pretty sure one was a failed screen pass that a Dolphin intercepted literally in the end zone for the easiest defensive TD ever.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:34 am
Rockstar,
thanks for the Donkeyland post. gotta luv it.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:35 am
GOOD DAY ROCKSTAR..
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:36 am
Went with a Fin fan, so since he didn’t say anything during the game, I had to listen to him once we got in the car for a two hour ride back to Chico. Got my revenge in the playoffs a few years later.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:38 am
thanks for the Donkeyland post. gotta luv it.
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TW posted that one, but thanks anyway
It was a good read!
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:39 am
[...] Jerry McDonald of the Contra Costa Times wonders when the Raiders will move Khalif Barnes to right tackle. [...]
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:40 am
I’m with ya Rockstar!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:42 am
Morning RaiderRockstar, your insight is valued as always.
RIP Ed McMahon. Johnny has been waiting on you.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:42 am
Drew Roseycheeks doesn’t mean jack squat.
a player is only going to be paid what they are worth, regardless of the agent. If Mario Henderson has a pro bowl type season and starts 16 games at LT then he might demand a pay raise (like Jason Peters). If he holds out and Davis doesn’t pay him $10 million per season Rosey will probably get fired and AD will deal with an agent who isn’t full of himself, in other words “full of poopy”
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:43 am
After signing with Drew, Mario is going to the right side and Barnes to LT. LOL
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:45 am
one Sunday in ‘98 I was drinking beer in a dry county in Arkansas watching a grainy rabbit-ear telecast of a Raider-Donkey game.
Late 4th quarter, close game, Raiders need to drive the field to take the lead. Camera zooms in to the Silver and Black huddle to find Donald Hollas on one knee, eyes closed, hands folded in prayer. I thought,”WTF?!?, That isn’t field generalship and definitely is not going to inspire the troops around him.” Drive failed miserably, game lost, but the image remains.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:46 am
My error
Thanks TW for the post.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:48 am
Who do you consider the Chiefs’ biggest rivals?
In years past, the answer would be without a doubt the Oakland Raiders. Historically, they probably still are our biggest rivals but in the last 15 years, the Denver Broncos have arisen as our biggest rivals.
The Raiders have had the worst six year stretch in NFL history and don’t really provide much competition (though they did beat us last season…that’s what a 2-14 record will get you!).
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You bet your asses KC! 2 wins & your sportswriters are busting OUR balls? Get ready for 2 loses from us in 2009!!!!!
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The Broncos have been playoff contenders nearly every season for quite some time. Though, if I had to guess, that will end with the ‘new’ Broncos and head coach Josh McDaniels.
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Good guess snapperhead!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:48 am
yep Exla the tables have turned.It will be Johnny standing with St.Pete saying;Heeeerrrrrreeeee’s Eddy
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:50 am
Dubbsack Music,
thanks bro always on the look out for up and coming talent!!!! I will def check it out!! I don’t joke bout anybodys hood Tracy is all love from here!!! Bayliens, Benzo, and a few others I’m chill wit all them cats!!!!
M,
The glass be overfloweth with emptiness……..
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:50 am
Hahaha!!! I was reading on the death of ed McMahon (RIP) and found an article that Gloria Estefan is going to part owner of the Dolphins…wow! Anyone got the money to buy out Al Davis? maybe the Luniz (’cause I’m a Raider, an Oakland Raider), or Digital Underground?
Ok, just kidding guys…go to comcast.net for the story. I cannot post links from work…
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:50 am
Let’s see, 3rd rd pick in 2007. What leverage does he have? 4 yr deal makes him restricted in 2013 withou a labor agreement. 3 yr deal makes him restricted in 2012. Mario is in a canoe without a paddle going upstream.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:51 am
You need at least 4 safeties on the roster, and Eugene, Mitchell and Branch are all safe, so Huff is competing for that potentially last spot with Davis and a few others I can’t name right now becuase it is 6am.
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Vegas: I wouldn’t consider Keith Davis, Jerome Boyd or Darrick Brown “top notch competition”
here’s the thing, unless we’re going to stay with the famous Rob Ryan interchangable safeties plan, we’ll have a FS that plays centerfield and helps in coverage. Then we’ll have a SS that covers the TE or plays down in the box. Also will be used in safety blitz packages.
here are the guys who can play FS: Huff, Branch, Eugene, Brown
here are the guys who can play SS: Mitchell, Branch, Davis, Boyd
so really Huff is competeing with Eugene and Brown if Tyvon Branch is considered a lock. However, Branch was a backup SS last year and has been a starting SS thus far in camp and OTA’s … If they don’t give him a shot at FS then Huff’s chances of cracking the 53 man roster are much better imo
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:52 am
Morning Double R,
Hows things in your world brother?
You think Ellis will be Starting LE for us this year?? With Burgess playing situational pass rush?
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:55 am
maybe the Luniz (’cause I’m a Raider, an Oakland Raider), or Digital Underground?
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Maybe just Yukmouth him self!!!!!!!!
“Winner Winner Chicken Dinner”~Yukneezy
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:55 am
Said Seahawks coach Jim Mora, “We think that all three running backs fit our style of offense. They’re all different, yet they all fit the style we want to run. I’m not going to say that there’s a marquee name in our backfield that the whole nation knows, because there’s not. But hopefully at the end of the year there is a marquee name, and it’s one of the three guys we’ve got on our roster right now.”
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LOL. Knapp will pick the RB most like Fargas.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:56 am
You think Ellis will be Starting LE for us this year?? With Burgess playing situational pass rush?
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Yes. I also think Trevor Scott will start at RDE and Jay Richardson will either be cut when healthy or be given an injury settlement if he can’t get healthy in time for training camp
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:57 am
Oaklifer,
The Void is not necessarily empty. As for some, Shunyata is the highest state.
and emptiness…”nothing is everything” spake Gautama.
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:59 am
in the Seaturds offense …
Julius Jones = Darren McFadden
TJ Duckett = Michael Bush
Justin Forsett = Justin Fargas
at least Jim Mora Jr. will play the most talented backs! I haven’t heard of a scholarship program in Seachicken town …
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:59 am
Talk to everyone tomorrow. Got to get some work done.
Go Raiders!
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:00 am
M: that was deep …
therefore I have no idea what you’re talking about.
haha
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:00 am
see ya Exla!
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:02 am
BoSJack,
it reads as if Mora doesn’t even know the names of his RBs. lol. and it definitely reads as if he doesn’t want to know their names as he’s hoping for somebody better to walk in the door.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:05 am
Rockstar,
I didn’t even bring up “dark matter”, that unseen and postulated enormous mass which makes up the majority of the universe around us.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:08 am
M: it’s too early in the morning to have my head spin
I got a meeting starting in less than 20 minutes.
Maybe i’ll copy & paste and give everyone a philosophy lesson?
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:11 am
Philosophize with him.
“All we are is Dust in the Wind, dude.”
Alright, bad Bill and Ted’s reference…
Shunyata…love that M
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:11 am
M,
can you score us some of the dark matter??????
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:14 am
I actually think that Mario Henderson signing with Rosenhaus is a good thing, he’s going to be on his ear a lot, telling him how good he is and now it’s his chance to make millions as a “franchise” Left Tackle, it should only increase Mario´s motivation.
And Davis likes Mario, he´ll have no problem paying up if the guy proves him right.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:16 am
Oaklifer,
all is right with the NFL world when our very own “dark matter”, The Oakland Raiders, pummels the rest of the pipsqueak reality into submission.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:16 am
That is a good point Bob! Let’s hope so that Mario pulls his end…
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:19 am
Marley Esq.,
long time no read. life faring well by you?
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:19 am
if anyone is so inclined
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PN_oDdGmKyA&feature
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:22 am
“Dark matter” would be a good nickname for a dominant Raider defense. I hope the universe still exists when we get one.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:24 am
heheheheheheheheheheheahhhhhehehehehehehehehe
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:26 am
hwnrdr Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:16 am
That is a good point Bob! Let’s hope so that Mario pulls his end…
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nobody’s paying Mario to “pull it”…
we got enough of that already…
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:27 am
Hey M
All is good, too much work and not nearly enough time.
Hope things are good for all the regulars, you guys know who I mean, take care fellas.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:28 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:22 am
“Dark matter” would be a good nickname for a dominant Raider defense. I hope the universe still exists when we get one.
I guess those would be good shirts that the guys walking around the parking lot could sell when that day comes!
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:30 am
Later Marley Esq., good to hear
Bo S Jack,
yes, the race is on. dominant Raider defense or cosmic annihilation, which will come first? tick tock.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:31 am
Will Mario, CJ and JLH all continue to improve or at least play as well as they did last season, or will they come back to earth? I have a feeling that CJ might get exposed this coming season, but I think Mario and JLH will continue to improve.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:32 am
RaiderRockstar,
Too bad the Raiders couldn’t keep Glover and Grady Jackson on the roster. Instead the Raiders have gone the vet free agent route with limited success. Many of the undrafted rookies and late round picks haven’t done much either.
I really hope the DTs, DEs and LBs are ready this year. The Raider schedule has mostly run 1st teams with big offensive lines and running backs. And make no mistake, they are very aware of where the weakness lies with this defense.
Coming up next on your CBS station….Brandon Jacobs, Marion Barber, Clinton Portis, Larry Johnson, Thomas Jones, LT and Sproles and making his 1st appearance….Knowshon Moreno!
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:35 am
SnB,
Yep, if we would have kept Glover, Jackson and Rod Coleman we would not have been 5-127 or whatever we have been over the past 6 years.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:36 am
Otis Sistrunk would have been the obvious choice to lead the Dark Matter Defense, hailing as he did from U. of Mars. Of course, no one really knew what dark matter was back then.
I can hear Papa, “two Raiders slammed Tomlinson to the ground, and in a flash of light his molecular bonds were broken and he disappeared from the planet. GOOOO RRRAIDERS!!! Fumble recovered by Howard…”
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:36 am
I’d like 2C the Missle blast Jacobs into retirement
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:37 am
close enough Dakota
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:38 am
Good day to you all Nation!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:42 am
4evaRaider Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:36 am
I’d like 2C the Missle blast Jacobs into retirement
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Well, hopefully the front 7 slow down Jacobs enough so that the Missle will be able blast multiple times in the game. Because if Jacobs is coming at full speed….
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:44 am
BoSJack,
post 363 is a classic and hilarious.
remember folks, Jerry Mc started this with the heading of this particular thread – What We Don’t Know, so all speculation as to the unseen forces of the cosmos and how it relates to the dismantling of an opposing running back is well within the bounds of commentary.
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:44 am
Sorry, this is my one “agenda” post of the day.
The Raiders would have really helped themselves drafting Raji, Brace or Gilbert. I am sorry to relive the draft. I think DHB could be a player…but so can Schilens, who is just as fast…
An upgrade on the D-Line with Mitchell or an SLB would have made me feel a lot better about this. Because the offense would have still been in good shape with Louis Murphy in the 4th. In my opinion, I think Murphy is going to have a bigger impact than DHB
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:45 am
and da Missle is comming at full speed…man this is gonna be a great year 4 our D!!!
Marshall will coddle no-one you can do it in his scheme or you cant and if you cant…C-YAAAAAAAA
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:46 am
Not sure if anyone saw this link but a little short Q & A with Nmamdi:
http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-06-21/qa-raiders-cb-nnamdi-asomugha-0
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:53 am
Vegas,
Thanks for the link. How’s the work hiatus?
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:54 am
4evaRaider Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:45 am
and da Missle is comming at full speed…man this is gonna be a great year 4 our D!!!
Marshall will coddle no-one you can do it in his scheme or you cant and if you cant…C-YAAAAAAAA
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The scheme is relatively unchanged. Its better teaching of fundamentals. So if the players can’t grasp the fundamentals…then I guess its C-YA…of course this isn’t a defense that is deep in talent
June 23rd, 2009 at 7:58 am
M,
Still “on the clock” for 8 more days, but already looking elsewhere. Thinking of leaving the securities industry altogether, still young so got plenty of time to go back if need be. Get to play Mr. Mom today, run some errands, grab some things at Trader Joe’s, take my wife’s car in to get her brakes done, you know real exciting sutff, LOL.
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:01 am
I dunno SnB and I read what Coach C said but…I just cant believe Marshall would use ANY defence used by Ryan.I think Cable threw some “pie” of his own,imo
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:03 am
its a dark matter from a Dark Organization,imo
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:07 am
4evaRaider Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:01 am
I dunno SnB and I read what Coach C said but…I just cant believe Marshall would use ANY defence used by Ryan.I think Cable threw some “pie” of his own,imo
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No one outside of the Raiders really knows what’s going to happen on defense. All I hope is that they get more creative using the linebackers…specifically, Thomas Howard. He should be a weapon and not a role player. I hope they give different personnel and formation looks.
I hope that one of our many, many speedy DEs can get double digit sacks this year.
The pass defense should be pretty good provided there is decent pressure on the QB.
I am still not convinced that the run defense will be measurably better from last year.
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:09 am
SnB, you think Murphy will have a bigger impact than DHB ?
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:11 am
When Cable says the “scheme” will be the same he’s talking about 4-3 man 2 man scheme. Duh, did anybody think we were going to a 3-4 ?
Marshall can do many things with that 4-3 Ryan didn’t do.
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:11 am
I totally agree about Thomas Frikkin Howard!!! He is da man and will be awesome going into his 4th year.Da man has cat like reflexes,imo
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:12 am
Mistabrown Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:09 am
SnB, you think Murphy will have a bigger impact than DHB ?
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Yes, I think Murphy has been more active in his games and caught more passes. I think the transition for him is going to be less. Murphy really should have been a 2nd round pick…the Raiders were fortunate to get him.
I think that JLH and Schilens will start on the outside…Murphy is going to work the middle and is a better route runner than DHB. DHB will be a contributor…just not right away
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:16 am
I agree with Mistabrown…over the years many d-coordinators have had success within the confines of the Al Davis defense. Ryan simply could not adjust to those restrictions, so he fell on his face. Hopefully Marshall can do much better.
I will be very interested to see if Ryan, when allowed to run his own defense, will have success in Cleveland. He was never given the time or players to install his 3-4 defense in Oakland. I hated him for not being able to teach our guys the fundamentals, but I am rooting for him to succeed in Cleveland so that Davis might take notice and learn from his mistake with Ryan.
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:17 am
Our offence is just like a 600 horse-power engine.When it starts runnung on all cylinders LOOK-OUT!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:22 am
lol @ Al Davis learning from his mistakes!
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:25 am
Dakota,
That was a big part of the problem. Davis hired Ryan after the Ravens blocked him from interviewing his brother.
Davis wanted the attitude and personality. It makes no sense to hire a 3-4 pressure coach to run a 4-3 pass protection defense. The Raiders brought in Warren Sapp when Sapp was not a 3-4 NT type. Made no sense. Then they switched back to the 4-3 after one season and underinvested in the D-Line.
My beef with Rob Ryan was the playcalling in the 4th QTR and on 3rd down. I think he and his assistants taught all the fundamentals like tackling and such…the guy was a bad playcaller…but my instinct tells me he wasn’t running romper room over there during practice. Plus, I am sure the head coaches would have noticed if Ryan was “ignoring” fundamentals.
All I am saying is the personnel is the same and I don’t think there are a lot of players on that defensive side that an unbiased observer would say…”wow, that guy is just a can’t miss player” with the exception of Nnamdi, Howard and maybe C.J if he can keep it up.
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:25 am
thats because he never made any =)
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:30 am
SnB, I dont know how you can assume all that without seeing those guys play even a pre-season game yet. Throwing all your eggs in the college game basket I guess..
You have a 50/50 chance of being right I suppose!
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:31 am
Jerry make a new thread or I will start talking about our imbecile pres Barback Hussein 0bama.
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:37 am
Mistabrown Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:22 am
lol @ Al Davis learning from his mistakes!
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The mistakes learn from Al Davis.
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:49 am
what is it break-time???
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:03 am
if we would have kept Glover, Jackson and Rod Coleman we would not have been 5-127 or whatever we have been over the past 6 years.
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Dakota & SnB:
Rod Coleman & Eric Barton both opted out of their contracts after Callahan called that 2003 Raiders team the “dumbest team in America” and got fired shortly following the season. Coleman & Barton opted out of their contracts, they were not cut or unsigned FA’s. They chose to leave. Grove opted out of his contract too this offseason, because he reached playing time incentives. These players were looking for a big payday. They didn’t care about playing for the Oakland Raiders.
Norv Turner & Rob Ryan entered the picture in 2004 and brought in a 3-4 defense. Ted Washington & Warren Sapp were the DT’s under the Turner regime and we still got trambled vs the run. Somehow everybody blamed Derrick Gibson & Stuart Schweigert for the poorous run D instead of Rob Ryan – I don’t understand it!
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:06 am
by the way:
good morning S&B, Mr Brown, Dakota …
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:14 am
RR,
Somehow everybody blamed Derrick Gibson & Stuart Schweigert for the poorous run D instead of Rob Ryan
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D Gibson & Stuart should have been blamed no matter what, Gib NEVER has been in position to make a tackle, Stu? Nuff said.lol WE ALL BLAMED RYAN, hell, I blame him when I get the runs!!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:18 am
thats Mistabrown 2 us
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:19 am
Gibson was actually adequate against the run, but covered the pass like crapola. More of a smallish LB with stiff hips and weak vision.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:20 am
after the 2003 season -
Lincoln Kennedy, Bill Romanowski & Rod Woodson retired
Garner opted out.
Tim Brown, Barrett Robbins & Mo Collins were not retained
Gannon was injured 3 games into the 2004 season.
Rice was traded 4 games into the 2004 season.
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what a disaster! look at all the veteran leadership we lost at the same time. the locker room was probably a total joke …
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:23 am
RaiderTW Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:14 am
RR,
Somehow everybody blamed Derrick Gibson & Stuart Schweigert for the poorous run D instead of Rob Ryan
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D Gibson & Stuart should have been blamed no matter what, Gib NEVER has been in position to make a tackle, Stu? Nuff said.lol WE ALL BLAMED RYAN, hell, I blame him when I get the runs!!!!
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you should blame him for not stopping those runs…
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:27 am
D Gibson & Stuart should have been blamed no matter what, Gib NEVER has been in position to make a tackle, Stu? Nuff said.lol
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true enough. However, just like Michael Huff, I think Stuart Schweigert was ruined by Rob Ryan’s defense. Stu in the box? why? He broke Rod Woodson’s INT record at Purdue! He should have been making plays on the ball. He was a FS that wasn’t very good as a Raider, but who knows what he might have become if drafted by a team that didn’t use interchangable safeties to confuse themselves, rather than the defense. I agree with BSJ in that Gibson was a hitter, but got beat often in coverage. Compare him to Roy Williams in Dallas. If Dallas would have had a record like Oakland and Roy wasn’t famous for that “horse collar tackle” he wouldn’t be considered such a high profile player. Surely not a pro bowler!
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:29 am
I’m gonna start calling Terdell Sands “the hydrator” in John Marshall’s defense, because he stops the runs!
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:34 am
[...] Jerry McDonald of the Contra Costa Times wonders when the Raiders will move Khalif Barnes to right tackle. [...]
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:37 am
Interested in your opinions. Why would Al Davis keep Rob Ryan around so long when he has replaced the head coach numerous times? In fact, Ryan was never fired.
Also, did anyone notice that Ryan promptly found another DC Coordinator job. With all that is at stake in the NFL for head coaches….why would a coach reach out to a guy with the track record of Rob Ryan? Also, same can be said for Martindale. He is now the LB coach in Denver.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:37 am
I’m gonna start calling Terdell Sands “the hydrator” in John Marshall’s defense, because he stops the runs!
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the #1 way to stop or prevent diarrhea is to avoid dehydration
sorry if you guys didn’t get the joke!
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:45 am
Heck,
For all we know Rob Ryan could have been the one to walk away!
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:46 am
How about Turdell Bismol?
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:48 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:37 am
I’m gonna start calling Terdell Sands “the hydrator” in John Marshall’s defense, because he stops the runs!
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the #1 way to stop or prevent diarrhea is to avoid dehydration
sorry if you guys didn’t get the joke!
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i got the joke…
it was the image of turdell running around offering enemas that put me off…
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:57 am
Vegas Raider Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:05 am
I don’t think Drew wants to get into a chess match with Al Davis, Al is about vendetta’s and proving points these days (unfortunately) so I doubt Drew would win that match of wills.
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Absolutely Vegas. But we’ll lose Mario, if he’s any good.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:04 am
Good morning Nation.
Many of you think that our DTs are fine, and the problem was with DEs. I don’t think so, I think the entire Dline is to blame, but mainly the DTs. IMHO DEs couldn’t hold the edge, but the DTs didn’t do much inside. Our DTs are good at penetrating , but not holding the line.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:10 am
Raider O,
To be fair the DEs couldn’t hold the point. Burgess and Edwards were situational pass rush/nickel rush types. Its another example of not putting players in a position to be successfull.
The DTs have been rank awful over this long-term stretch. Warren Sapp was at the end of his career and was more of knifing penetrator type…Tommy Kelly is unproven, Gerard Warren is also a penetrator and Terdell Sands is an underachiever. The linebackers are prized more for their speed and coverage ability and less on their ability to shed blockers and deliver big hits.
What it all suggests is that the Raiders have a pass defense mentality to defense. The run defense in Oakland will never be all that good. That’s fine…but being amoung the worst in the league is not acceptable either. Can’t win consistently that way.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:12 am
LAKERSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:13 am
Also, did anyone notice that Ryan promptly found another DC Coordinator job. With all that is at stake in the NFL for head coaches….why would a coach reach out to a guy with the track record of Rob Ryan? Also, same can be said for Martindale. He is now the LB coach in Denver.
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Slob Ryan would have got another job regardless this offseason. If the Browns didn’t hire Mangini, his brother Rex would have hired him in New York. Guys hire people they are fond of and/or familiar with.
Ryan & Martindale are both 3-4 coaches. No surprise they got hired and only received interest from teams planning to implement a 3-4 defense. What puzzles me the most is why Al Davis decided to keep 3-4 coaches after he dumped the 3-4 scheme? makes no sense. guys should be coaching something they are familiar with or good at. something they beleive in and have the tools for.
Funny thing is we probably could have hired John Marshall prior to the 2005 season to run our 4-3 defense before Ray Rhodes health failed him early on and Marsh guided that defense to the Super Bowl that year!
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:16 am
Got a problem defending the runs?
Are you losing the battle at the ring of scrimmage?
Is your gap disciplined? Got holes that aren’t being plugged?
You need Turdell Bismol. Reach the Bowl with confidence.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:18 am
SnB,
I did say that the DEs can’t hold the edge.
I disagree, We had a few run stuffers like Ted Washington and Sam Adams.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:18 am
RaiderRockstar,
Your previous post 414, is exactly what frustrates me about the current situation. I am unsure if Davis really knows what he wants on defense, but its clear that he is directing the philosophy used. At least Marshall is a 43 guy. That alone should help.
My concern is about the aggressiveness of the defense in 2009. Regardless of scheme…etc..the Raider defense seemed way to passive to me. They can’t be afraid of getting burned once in a while…they have to force more turnovers and offer some more challenges to the opposing QBs. Too many times the opponent scored when they had to… This has to stop
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:19 am
Yes I work in marketing…
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:19 am
“Davis wanted the attitude and personality. It makes no sense to hire a 3-4 pressure coach to run a 4-3 pass protection defense. The Raiders brought in Warren Sapp when Sapp was not a 3-4 NT type. Made no sense. Then they switched back to the 4-3 after one season and underinvested in the D-Line.”
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Same with DeAngelo Hall.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:22 am
The linebackers are prized more for their speed and coverage ability and less on their ability to shed blockers and deliver big hits
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S&B: you hit the nail on the head here, but I think you zero’d in on 1 position instead of looking at the bigger picture. the defense (not just the offense) – well, the entire team actually is built on 1 thing: SPEED
pass rushers: Burgess, Scott, Edwards
not pass rushers: Richardson, Gunheim (yikes!)
penetrators: Kelly, Warren, Joseph
not penetrators: Sands, Wakefield (yikes!)
speedy coverage LB’s: Morrison, Howard, Alston
not speedy: Brown, Thomas, Williams (yikes!)
speedy DB’s: every one of them!
This year we’ve brought in Matt Shaughnessy & Frantz Joseph, who are not speedsters. But who knows what role they’ll play (if any) ???
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:24 am
BSJ,
LMAO
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:24 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:16 am
Got a problem defending the runs?
Are you losing the battle at the ring of scrimmage?
Is your gap disciplined? Got holes that aren’t being plugged?
You need Turdell Bismol. Reach the Bowl with confidence.
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now that’s funny !!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:25 am
Turdell Bismol…
LOL @ BSJ!
Raider O: the Raider only had Sam Adams for one year (2002) and we went to the Super Bowl that year.
coincidence?
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:26 am
RR,
I like Frantz a lot, and I think he makes the 53 man roster as backup LB and ST player.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:27 am
RaiderRockstar,
And then added more speed in this year’s draft.
DHB – Speed
Mitchell – Speed (defensive backs are all about speed)
Shaughnessy – Maybe a run stopping guy
Murphy – Speed
Norris – 230lb defensive end?????
Slowak – All speed
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:30 am
RR,
Coincidence?
No, but we had a great offense. Gannon, Rice, Brown, Garner, and a great Oline!
We didn’t need a defense that year, that was the year Gannon had 10+ games over 300+ yards!
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:30 am
And then added more speed in this year’s draft.
DHB – Speed
Mitchell – Speed (defensive backs are all about speed)
Shaughnessy – Maybe a run stopping guy
Murphy – Speed
Norris – 230lb defensive end?????
Slowak – All speed
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exactly. Norris & Sulak are both tweeners. Nessy is buried on the depth chart behind guys like Ellis, Scott and probably Burgess
I give F. Joseph about a 10 percent chance of making the 53 man roster
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:31 am
Without hearing about the goings on at training camp, I am going to forecast that Frantz Joseph is not making this football team.
He can’t run…and I am not being dismissive on this one. Who does Joseph take off the roster? Alston is the SLB…Ekijuba is a pro-bowl caliber ST guy, Brown is a the backup LB and ST guy.
Maybe its Sam Williams that goes. Ah, but then again Joseph still has to deal with 4th round pick Slade Norris and Stryker Slowak is probably a Linebacking type too.
Oh, did I mention that Joseph can’t run. Joseph has a mountain to climb. Maybe he can sneak onto the practice squad.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:33 am
Raider O Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:30 am
RR,
Coincidence?
No, but we had a great offense. Gannon, Rice, Brown, Garner, and a great Oline!
We didn’t need a defense that year, that was the year Gannon had 10+ games over 300+ yards!
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But you always will have a game like the Tampa S.B where the offense gets bogged down. ALways have those games where the offense is just going to struggle.
If the defense can’t stop the run or get off the field on 3rd down…you will end up on the wrong side of 8-8
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:35 am
I won’t be too upset if we cut a player named France.
Right Dakota?
I could just imagine Berman calling our D the Maginot Line.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:37 am
I remember in 02 I didn’t care if the other teams scored. We were going to score more.
That was our year!! The NFL didn’t do anything to take ir away from us that year. We list due to:
-It was Gruden’s team, and he was ready for us, especially Gannon!
-Bill C didn’t adjust his game plan soon enough, and he was out- coached.
-Our C was MIA
-TB played a better game due to the above, and they wanted it more!!
Too bad!!!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:40 am
Take it away, Lost, sorry.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:42 am
Ricky Brown, Jon Alston, Sam Williams, Isaiah Ekejiuba and Jon Condo are all good special teams guys …
Except for Sam Williams I’d say all these guys are locks. But then we drafted Slade Norris who can take his place!
Sulak is playing DE in OTA’s, even though Cable said we would try him at OLB right after the draft. Nixon has been playing well in camp & OTA’s according to Jerry Mac and he’s faster than Joseph. I think Nixon makes the practice squad and Joseph will be cut and latch on to another team’s practice squad. Maybe Baltimore? yikes!
The Raiders defense is all about speed, unfortunately. Heart, strength or even fundamentals don’t matter …
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:52 am
Eric Dickerson Says L.A. Doesn’t Deserve A Team
A member of the TMZ.com patrol of citizen videographers caught up with Hall of Fame running back Eric Dickerson, asking him when Los Angeles will get another NFL team.
“First of all, L.A. don’t deserve a team,” Dickerson said. “They ain’t gonna support it.”
Dickerson then made an analogy.
“L.A. is like a bad kid,” Dickerson said. “[H]is ball is laying over there, he don’t wanna play with the ball. But when . . . somebody else picks the ball up, then he wants the ball.”
Dickerson then explained the success of the Lakers thusly: “When the Lakers are winning, it’s crowded. But when the Lakers are losing, you could roll a stick of dynamite in there and blow up nothing but the floor.”
Dickerson played for the Los Angeles Rams
-PFT
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how do you guys feel about this ???
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:57 am
Three members of the Dallas Cowboys — Marc Colombo, Cory Procter, and Leonard Davis — belong to “Free Reign”, a heavy-metal band that has signed a recording deal with Riot Entertainment, of Australia. (Justin Chapman, who doesn’t play football, also is in the band.)
The Cowboys issued a release on Tuesday morning announcing the development. Free Reign’s debut EP will be released later this year, and they’ll be headlining on June 27 at the House of Blues in Dallas.
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LOL! Chris Morris, Paul McQuistan & James Marten should start up a band too, since they aren’t contributing anything to the o-line …
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:58 am
CB Fernando Bryant retired.
NO !!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:02 am
I think Dickerson is right on. So much to do in LA, most of the fans are “casual” fans at best, and they won’t support a non-winner. IMO, the only hardcore fan base in LA are some Dodger fans, USC is a trend, Clippers have no base, two NFL teams came and went and NEVER came back, and there are plenty of hardcore Laker fans….but not too many at the games. Trust me, my cousin works for the Dodgers and I USED to work for a firm based out of Beverly Hills. My former boss calls himself a Laker fan, and the finals were the first games he watched since……last year’s finals. He didn’t even know who Pau Gasol was until 2 weeks ago.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:03 am
LOL! Chris Morris, Paul McQuistan & James Marten should start up a band too, since they aren’t contributing anything to the o-line …
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They can call themselves the first and 20’s.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:06 am
Sources say Al Davis is willing to cut maligned Raiders S Michael Huff if he doesn’t show improvement in the near future. Huff, the team’s 2006 first-round pick (seventh overall), has been working at strong safety during OTAs and minicamps, and we hear he’s likely to be released if he doesn’t earn a starting spot. The 26-year-old has been a major disappointment and was demoted from the starting lineup to the bench midway through last season. He has yet to show signs of figuring things out this offseason.
-Pro Football Weekly
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Marsh is trying him at SS (again?) No !!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:08 am
Word out of Oakland is Raiders fourth-round pick WR Louis Murphy impressed observers with his work ethic during the team’s OTAs and minicamps. Murphy stood out in a receiving corps in major need of a playmaker, while first-round choice WR Darrius Heyward-Bey spent much of his time on the sideline nursing a hamstring injury.
-Pro Football Weekly
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S&B may be right!
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:09 am
I honestly thought Huff was better his year at SS than he was at FS. That may not be saying a lot however.
I am a tad worried about the durability of Branch at SS. The guy broke his hand in training camp, than was hyped as a great kick-returner, and on his first return ran 20 yards, slipped and fell untouched and broke his shoulder. Yikes!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:13 am
vegas raider Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:03 am
LOL! Chris Morris, Paul McQuistan & James Marten should start up a band too, since they aren’t contributing anything to the o-line …
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They can call themselves the first and 20’s
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Very nice. If they read this blog, I’m sure they’ll mullet over.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:17 am
Vegas: imagine Branch trying to “lay the wood” on Michael Bush in training camp!
Huff might make the team by default (injury) …
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:20 am
- They can call themselves the first and 20’s
- If they read this blog, I’m sure they’ll mullet over.
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LOL!
they could do a remake of the Beck song “where it’s at? we got three turnstiles and a microphone!”
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:20 am
vegas raider Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:02 am
I think Dickerson is right on. So much to do in LA, most of the fans are “casual” fans at best, and they won’t support a non-winner. IMO, the only hardcore fan base in LA are some Dodger fans, USC is a trend, Clippers have no base, two NFL teams came and went and NEVER came back, and there are plenty of hardcore Laker fans….but not too many at the games. Trust me, my cousin works for the Dodgers and I USED to work for a firm based out of Beverly Hills. My former boss calls himself a Laker fan, and the finals were the first games he watched since……last year’s finals. He didn’t even know who Pau Gasol was until 2 weeks ago.
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I think LA would support a football team at a newer venue. The Coliseum sucks. The Chargers in Orange County would be a guaranteed sellout.
In any scenario there would be many superficial fans, but that is just a symptom of the big problem in LA: Plastic Fantastic. They named their hockey team the Mighty Ducks to promote a movie for Al’s sakes!
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:20 am
RaiderRockstar,
Louis Murphy was overlooked because of Percy Harvin. Many had him going as high as the 2nd round. Murphy is used to making plays on a big stage and he already commented how comfortable he is with the offense…says there are similiarities with the Florida offense….
He’s been very vocal in camp which speaks to his confidence. I think he’s going to develop nicely in the slot…while Schilens and JLH work the outside.
Don’t ask me where Javon fits in all this cause I don’t know.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:20 am
Rockstar,
Don’t get me wrong, I liked what we saw from Branch in his limited play. The question is can he hang with the pounding physically that a Raider SS has to put up with. Those RB’s come a lot harder at you in Oakland due to Sands and Kelly playing patty-cake at the line, and Morrison overpursing leaving the ball-carrier untouched.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:23 am
Interesting that LA would have two baseball teams, two hockey teams, two basketball teams, two major Pac10 college programs and no football team.
I think LA’s situation has more to do with the refusal to publicly finance a stadium. With the exception of the Staples Center…all the stadiums in LA are old.
But hey…good for them…they didn’t yield to the pressure to spend public money and were more than willing to deal with the consequences.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:25 am
BSJ,
Orange county is different from LA, just look at the Angels. Those fans show up early and stay late, as opposed to the opposite for LA teams.
The coliseum does stink, but USC does just fine there. If they opened a new stadium it would sellout for awhile, it would another “trendy” thing for LA people to cling to, but the nostalgia would ultimately wear-off.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:26 am
Folks…here’s what your missing about the safety situation.
Tom Cable AND Al Davis don’t like Michael Huff’s play on the field. Tyvon Branch and Mike Mitchell are purported to be physical hitters with the speed to play in coverage.
Hiram Eugene is the good trooper.
Michael Huff WILL NOT be a starter on this team. The Mike Mitchell draft ensured that. The vision is to have Mitchell and Branch as the starting safeties.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:31 am
Wow the Spurs got Richard Jefferson for free almost. That’s some athleticism the Spurs dearly needed.
So let’s see the Bucks had the 6th pick in the draft a few years ago, drafted Yi Jianlian, traded him and another player for Richard Jefferson and now traded him for Bruce Bowen, Kurt Thomas and Oberto. Nice work Milwaukee!!!! The ineptness of NBA GM’s is uncanny at times.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:32 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
The Raiders defense is all about speed, unfortunately. Heart, strength or even fundamentals don’t matter …
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RRS — What?? For one of the more “serious” regulars in here, that is one of the more misinformed (or ignorant) statements you’ve made to date.
Which players lack the heart? Guys like Huff, who have been phased-out of starting roles? Is it Huff’s heart? Some say so. But then, that would go to show that at least your heart-doesn’t-matter theory is wrong. Otherwise, he’d still be #1 somewhere in the backfield.
Likewise, who (other than you) said strength and fundamentals don’t matter? Is this a wide-ranging statement, based on the general feeling the LAST Defensive Coordinator didn’t stress fundamentals enough?
Your saying that strength doesn’t matter is almost too silly. Saying that fundamentals don’t matter — even before you’ve seen a thing from this year’s DC (or players) — is just throwing out an opinion not based on fact. That’s what bad “journalists” do…the same guys (and gals) we hammer in here for their bad reporting.
Even RR’s defenses cared about fundamentals — he just didn’t know how to coach his players up. He was the real “buddy” Ryan to his favorite players. To all his players, RR was about as disciplined as he was groomed. That’s something THIS Defensive Coordinator should have a chance to correct before he’s hammered for another regime’s past failures.
Objectivity, RRS…a novel concept.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:32 am
USC and UCLA have shown there are plenty of avid football fans in LA who are willing to go to games. The NFL just needs to leverage those established brands to ensure fan support.
Introducing your new NFL franchise, the Los Angeles Brojans!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:34 am
Spurs got Richard Jefferson for all that junk? Bummer. Still Jefferson’s best days are behind him and he is injury prone, so big effing deal.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:36 am
Vegas,
LA did what other cities refused to do. They refused to put up the public money for a stadium. Unfortunately for them, it resulted in having no team.
I say good for them. Focus public money on areas of need and let private enterprise either fund or not fund a stadium endeavor.
Other cities view sports as a more important fabric of the community. LA has other priorities. I think thats fine
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:36 am
BSJ,
When USC and UCLA play a game with say 90,000 people there, there is at least 5-10% that are opposing fans and students and probably 20-30% (or more) who are either current students or alumni. Call it a 1/3 of the crowd, so that’s 60,000 people left. Now double or triple the ticket prices, and have a so-so team on the field and what do you have left?
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:39 am
Fair enough Hayes, but what is YOUR source(s) for the following statement?
“Even RR’s defenses cared about fundamentals — he just didn’t know how to coach his players up. He was the real “buddy” Ryan to his favorite players. To all his players, RR was about as disciplined as he was groomed.”
I have not heard of a player/employee claim that Rob had favorites or was undisciplined. This seems like more of the “opinion disguised as fact” that you were harping on…
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:41 am
SnB,
Agree, but let’s not make LA out as some model of fiscal conserviteness. There schools are worsening, crime is as high as ever and budget gaps are growing by the day. Sometimes you have to spend money to make money. Besides a lot of stadiums are funded at least partially through municipal bonds, leaving locals the opportunity to have a safe local investment, not to mention the thousands of jobs it provides. Now is not the time obviously (just look at the Yankees new stadium mess) but they blew it by not funding a project a few years ago, IMO.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:42 am
The vision is to have Mitchell and Branch as the starting safeties.
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I disagree. Branch was drafted (4th round) to replace Cooper as the ST gunner and for some depth in the secondary. He played corner at U Conn
He and Huff are both a bad fit for strong safety. Mike Mitchell and Keith Davis are your ideal SS’s …
If this was my football team I’d have Huff & Branch fight for the FS position and cut Hiram Eugene – good trooper or not. Sam Williams is a good trooper too, but neither of these guys should be anything more than special teams, depth or camp fodder.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:45 am
HayesDaze37: why don’t you look at the entire conversation that we had for an hour or whatever instead of waiting for one line you didn’t agree with and attacking me?
If you don’t think speed is the #1 priority to this football team, you are clearly delusional
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:49 am
vegas raider Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:36 am
BSJ,
When USC and UCLA play a game with say 90,000 people there, there is at least 5-10% that are opposing fans and students and probably 20-30% (or more) who are either current students or alumni. Call it a 1/3 of the crowd, so that’s 60,000 people left. Now double or triple the ticket prices, and have a so-so team on the field and what do you have left?
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For a 60,000 seat stadium I could foresee 3000 (or more, see below) visitor fans and the rest taken from the 170,000+ who regularly attend USC/UCLA home games. If either college is on the road or not playing it’ll be an easy sellout.
Also, remember there are MANY east coast and midwest transplants who could push attendance numbers when, say, the Eagles or Giants or Cowboys visit. And these non-natives would be the strongest supporters of a new franchise too, especially if their old team is down. The spineless who move west to LA are just the kind of fans to jump ship!
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:49 am
Eugene outperformed Huff and you want to cut him?
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:52 am
Ummm, RRS — Even RR said they focused on fundamentals. That’s what they do in camps and OTA’s. Newsflash: Some coaches are better than others. Your over-simplified fingerpointing at a heartless, weak, and lacking-in-fundamentals defense is waaaaaay premature…this staff (or defense) hasn’t even been seen in public yet.
And…a giant YAY for all the speed. Never enough speed. Speed, speed, and more speed, baby. This coaching staff’s job is to make it all work. If they can’t coach-up all that speed to our advantage, then I say hammer ‘em. Then you can say “told ya so,” if you feel it’s important at that stage. Me, I’m hoping my optimism isn’t just hollow — and that this staff will get the job done.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:52 am
Dakota Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:34 am
Spurs got Richard Jefferson for all that junk? Bummer. Still Jefferson’s best days are behind him and he is injury prone, so big effing deal.
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No Bowen = Kobe for 40+ per game. And Thomas was also effective on Gasol and Odom. They’re done.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:53 am
BSJ,
Maybe for a 60,000 seat stadium, but what new NFL stadium is that small? Most are pushing the high 70’s and the Redskins and Cowboys are close to the 90’s I believe.
Oh well, it’s a moot point anyways, they won’t have a team for years, if at all. California is about to go bankrupt, and I don’t see anyone stepping up to the plate to fully fund the whole dealie right now.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:54 am
RRS — It was no attack. You made a terribly naive statement about this team lacking heart, strength, and fundamentals. We don’t know any of that at this stage. It was no attack, just an observation on your statement.
Let’s move on.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:56 am
FREE THE LA BROJANS!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:00 pm
HayesDaze37: you blame Rob Ryan, I blame Rob Ryan …
We are on the same page.
I think Marsh deserves a shot to take these guys and put something productive on the field
I’m not opposed to having a fast football team if they can get the job done. However, our track record of drafting athletes instead of football players hasn’t paid off to date.
I hate choosing potential over production as well. If they can’t tear it up in college, what makes AD think they can tear it up in the pros? better coaching? more money?
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:01 pm
I don’t know abouT the defense as a whole, but I think it’s safe to say the LB’s lack some strength, the Safeties lacked some fundamentals, and clowns like Sands on the D-line certainly lacked heart, at least part of the time.
But we got SPEED!!! YIPPEE!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:02 pm
Any new NFL stadium better be able to accomodate the Super Bowl and other events…meaning minimum amounts of seats available. 60,000 won’t cut it.
No team — even the Raiders at their greatest — should’ve tried to fill the L.A. Coliseum.
Not only was it in one of the ummm, “least pleasant” areas for a professional event to be regularly staged…but, in such a large metro area with a lot of options on where to spend money, filling a stadium to 90,000 people just isn’t realistic unless every game is a playoff game. And we all know how that’s been going.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Eugene outperformed Huff and you want to cut him?
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Eugene didn’t out perform anybody. they both stunk. Every safety for the past 5 years with Ryan as DC has stunk!
Cable put Hiram on scholarship, just like Kwame and Huggy Jr.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:09 pm
i never said Eugene was great,but he did out perform Huff,even if you don’t want to admit it.btw,that isn’t saying a lot.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Huff makes too much money to be a backup!! If he is not the starter, he will be cut to keep a guy like Davis or Boyd for less money. IMHO
If Boyd can cover, then I think we will keep him. 6′2 220 and runs a sub 4.5!! That’s an Al Davis guy.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:14 pm
In Eugene didn’t play better, why did he start over Huff??!!
Eugene played better than Huff.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:18 pm
They named their hockey team the Mighty Ducks to promote a movie for Al’s sakes!
Classic…and I belive!!!!
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Interested in your opinions. Why would Al Davis keep Rob Ryan around so long when he has replaced the head coach numerous times? In fact, Ryan was never fired.
I think the one year when we were ranked like 5th over all in defense Uncle AL thought that was all due to he and Slobert Ryan working sooo close together and we all know once he gets a seed planted!!! I think RRyan was on the famous “scholar ship” program we are all so fond of!!!
Double R,
how could you be soooo naive?!?!?!?!LOL its hard to sense 1/2 sarcasim 1/2 wit and all truth through key strokes!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:18 pm
ask any coach what is one of the main assets a player must have that can’t be taught and they’ll say-speed.ask Meyers in Florida.because the media makes a big deal about Davis picking players based on speed so do some on here.granted Davis goes to extremes,but every coach loves speed.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:18 pm
That sad thing is that Baker, I thought, played better than all of them, and he is the one gone.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:19 pm
In Eugene didn’t play better, why did he start over Huff??!!
Eugene played better than Huff.
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Raider O:
ask yourself the same question about Henderson vs Harris or McFadden/Bush vs Fargas
and why is Cornell Green starting at RT the last 2 years?
Cable is a good OL coach for the zbs, but he isn’t the best talent evaluator we’ve seen
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Every coach does love speed Lefty, but some value production on the field as well. Al glosses over that stuff way too much and focus solely on the 40 time, at least when it comes to the draft. See: 2009 draft as an example.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:21 pm
Speed never slumps
- Whitey Herzog
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:22 pm
yes you can belive in anything it’s a dirivitive of the root word Believe!!
WHO the he11 is webster anyways!!!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Vegas,
They were all bad, that’s why u want to see theyoung guns: Branch and Mitchell!
What should we call them?
Hitman, judge, Assassin, etc…
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Branch : Missile, 4eva started that.
Mitchell: ???? I can’t think of anything!
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:28 pm
What should we call Mike Mitchell?
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:28 pm
O,
I’ll take any of those nicknames, guys that stink usually don’t have a cool nickname.
I called Mitchell the Kimbo Slice of the draft when we took him. All internet hype through grainy videos where he looks like the greatest thing ever. Let’s hope we are not calling Mitchell “Kimbo” in a few years.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Hiram Eugene is a depth guy. Not a starter. As for Michael Huff….I really thought he was going to get another shot to seriously compete this year.
I know Rockstar you disagree….but I think Mitchell is SS and Branch moved to FS or vice-versa…the bottom line is that adding Mitchell gives John Marshall flexibility with Branch.
The Raiders don’t draft Mike Mitchell if Michael Huff was performing
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:30 pm
vegas raider Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:28 pm
O,
I called Mitchell the Kimbo Slice of the draft when we took him. All internet hype through grainy videos where he looks like the greatest thing ever. Let’s hope we are not calling Mitchell “Kimbo” in a few years.
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Funniest thing I’ve read in awhile….”Grainy videos” LOL, LOL
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Kimbo Slice….LOL
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Grainy videos because it was shot in the perverbial backyard….LOL
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:32 pm
Vegas,
What happend to Kimbo, did he lose a fight?
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Davis treats the draft like college coaches treat recruiting-you go on potential.just as not all blue chip high school recruits turn out to be good college players,not all blue chip college players turn into great pros.i,too,would like to see him go more on production,but that isn’t how he operates.i don’t know that Davis looks for good players,he is always looking for players that might turn out to be great.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Mike The Terminator Mitchell!! lol
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:36 pm
O,
He got knocked out in like 10 seconds by a UFC tomato can. Guess he is going on the Ultimate Fighter show this year, should be interesting.
Mitchell is from Kentucky, so the Kentucky Killer? Too harsh? Kind of sounds like a WWE monikor.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:37 pm
If Mike Mitchell can bring some physical toughness then that’s fine for now. Need someone that will get some tone setting hits. The Raiders have played like a soft team of late. They need to get some type of swagger to their game.
The challenge for Mitchell….and what has me nervous…is the cerebral part of the game and the difference in talent and speed from the MAC to the NFL. That’s going to take some time I think.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Mike the Enforcer!!
Mike the Punisher!!
Mike Jones!! Who is mike Jones?? I smoke! Drink! Mike Jones! lol
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Oh well, it’s a moot point anyways, they won’t have a team for years, if at all. California is about to go bankrupt, and I don’t see anyone stepping up to the plate to fully fund the whole dealie right now
Maybe Vegas.As of today the Golden state is about 17 Billion in the red.Countless auditing has shown that the taxes made off of Marijuana at roughly 9 Billion a year.Golden State can truely be golden in less than 5 years,imo
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Mitchell is from Kentucky, so the Kentucky Killer? Too harsh? Kind of sounds like a WWE monikor.
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You’re killin me man!!!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:39 pm
SnB Defense Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Hiram Eugene is a depth guy. Not a starter. As for Michael Huff….I really thought he was going to get another shot to seriously compete this year.
I know Rockstar you disagree….but I think Mitchell is SS and Branch moved to FS or vice-versa…the bottom line is that adding Mitchell gives John Marshall flexibility with Branch.
The Raiders don’t draft Mike Mitchell if Michael Huff was performing
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Shoot, i don’t see why we don’t just runa full time nickle D.. Start either Huff or Eugene at FS, and start both Mitchell and Branch in a double SS.. They can’t be any worse at stopping the run than Alston or Brown.. If Mitchell can lay the wood then we’d get more turnovers also..
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Vegas,
Too bad!!! I thought he was special.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:40 pm
WHO the he11 is webster anyways!!!!!
The Devil and Max Webster
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Legalize!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:42 pm
See 4eva, that would be using their heads to think outside the box. Apparently thoughts like that are against the rules these days in the political spectrum. Did you ever see the CNBC report called “Marijuana inc.”? It highlighted those points, came out a few months ago.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:43 pm
We can call him M&M! lol
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Yep and watch your budget woes go up in SMOKE!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:45 pm
No vegas I didnt see that report but…have read many others.Throw da bums outta office that wont do the will of the people.
Of The People 4 The People
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:47 pm
How much do we spend on the Mexican Border every year? Legalize!
How much do we spend on the DEA and others? Legalize!
How much do we spend at courts and the legal system over that issue? Legalize!
How much do I love smoking? I love it!! Legalize!!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:49 pm
4eva,
Check out the link below, looks like it will be on tonight, so check your local listings if interested. Highly recommended.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/28281668/
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Mike the Intimidator Mitchell.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Well folks, going to check out for a few, be back in a bit.
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:51 pm
S&B: I’m all for giving Huff another shot. everybody on this blog knows that. I’m not for scholarships however. Eugene being a favorite and Huff being in the doghouse is a bunch of cr@p imo. Put the best players on the field period – even if it’s Darrick Brown at FS and Jerome Boyd at SS!
Here’s what concerns me about losing Huff:
#1 he has a ton of potential and was used out of position and with bad coaching by Rob Ryan
#2 of all the safeties in camp, he has by far the best “proven” cover skills. Can any of these other safeties cover a TE or help cover a WR? We know Mitchell & Branch can deliver a big hit and neither lacks in the speed dept, but that doesn’t mean they can cover … Just because you own some tools, doesn’t mean you can call yourself a builder. Eugene is an average tackler and slightly below average in coverage. not a playmaker, thats for sure!
#3 the cap hit
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Thank You Vegas!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:55 pm
is there any way we could keep
Nnamdi/Johnson
Branch/Mitchell
Routt/Huff
Eugene/???
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Let’s just hope we’re not calling Mitchell “toast” in coverage like Roy Williams in Dallas or Derrick Gibson & Gibril Wilson in Oakland!
the same can be said for Branch, who has been abused by TE’s during OTA’s by guys like Tony Stewart, Darrell Strong and Chris O’Neill … what happens when we face Antonio Gates in Week 1 on MNF ???
Yikes!
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Later Vegas.
What about: Mike “I’ll eat your kids” Mitchell?
Sorry, that’s Iron Mike. lol
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:58 pm
No O thats just eat your ear Tyson
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Legalize it & I’ll advertise it.
Peter Tosh
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Rockstar,
I agree with your points. I think Huff has a ton of potential and was misused early in his career. The Raiders should have had a malpractice or negligence suit filed against them for mismanaging Michael Huff’s career to this point.
I just feel its too late for him now. Damage done. Cable doesn’t like him and Davis has already distanced himself from the draft that year.
Like you, I thought another chance with a better coaching staff would make the difference….but alas Cable and Davis see another Jack Tatum in Mitchell and Eugene has cut out a nice niche as a coach favorite.
It is what it is….
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:13 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Let’s just hope we’re not calling Mitchell “toast” in coverage like Roy Williams in Dallas or Derrick Gibson & Gibril Wilson in Oakland!
the same can be said for Branch, who has been abused by TE’s during OTA’s by guys like Tony Stewart, Darrell Strong and Chris O’Neill … what happens when we face Antonio Gates in Week 1 on MNF ???
Yikes!
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When so many players have failed at the same safety position for so long….clearly the system employed is badly broken. Hopefully, John Marshall can put some sanity back into the system and hopefully the front 7 can manage the run well enough so the safeties can focus on pass coverage.
Still remember that play in Baltimore where Flacco hit a wide open receiver for 60+ yards on 3rd down and Gibril Wilson was nowhere to be found
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Michael Huff will be a star in this league.
I’m ready to eat some crow for this comment, but it’s going to happen…
Al Davis is going to regret cutting Huff Daddy, if indeed they fail to give him an opportunity under the Marshall Plan
what happens if we face him and he blankets Zach Miller and takes him out of the game, thus removing Russell’s security blanket? could be a long day! we know he has it in him. We’ve seen him shut down Gonzalez, Gates & Scheffler 12 or 13 times
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Still remember that play in Baltimore where Flacco hit a wide open receiver for 60+ yards on 3rd down and Gibril Wilson was nowhere to be found
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I still remember when Cutler destroyed our pass defense (supposed to be our strength) on MNF without Brandon Marshall. Avoided Nnamdi & Huff (left side of the field) and exposed MeAngelo & Wilson all game long. He made Royal, a rookie, look like a 5 time Pro Bowler
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:31 pm
In my humble opinion…part of the reason why Raider safety play has been so bad is that they are called upon to play the run too much.
Palomalu, Ed Reed, Landry, and even Gibril Wilson in NYG…have front 7s that can contain the run allowing them to roam free in the secondary ball hawking and laying the wood on receivers and tight ends.
In Oakland, Gibril Wilson had over 100 tackles…that’s ridiculous.
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:36 pm
part of the reason why Raider safety play has been so bad is that they are called upon to play the run too much.
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Agreed. a DB trying to tackle a RB 1-on-1 running with a full head of steam who already sees paydirt is a losing battle (unless that RB is Justin Fargas)
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:41 pm
THE HUFF DEBATE:
Besides being able to shut down premiere TE’s what has Huff brought to the table????
Anyone?
A playmaking FS is what we thought we drafted. How many missed int’s? How many blown tackles? Where are the big plays to go with the once big contract? We thought we were getting an Ed Reed and insted we got…. well, we got a Michael Huff. I think I heard the same stuff about Fabian Washington, about how he’s gonna tear it up with another team (he’s just an average #2 CB for Balt IMO). Point is, go make some playes. I would rather kept Baker than Huff. Baker at least has some stand out plays I can still remember. Nothing comes to mind for Huff….
Oh, and if Huff has been played “out of position” what position is he suposed to be playing?
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:54 pm
He played SS for like 2 games, after failing at FS…. Then back to SS, then back to FS…. On and on, he cant make plays anywhere…
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:55 pm
4evaRaider Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Sup Dogg!?!?”
Just swooping in for a minute to check things out. How you livin bro?
Life’s got me running these days, so I hardly post anymore.
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Look out San Diego Bobby and Raider is comming at you!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:58 pm
haterdogg,
thanks for the love bro!!! you like the DEAD?? we know m-lonetree does…he’s always wishin it was jerry not jeff we had signed!!! I say hell it could have been Andy for all i care!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
bobertsIV Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:48 pm
ahhh…B.J.’s,
I still love ur moniker we all know what it stans for and if jerry knew the ban would be for life ur a naughty man….. DONT LET UR CHILDREN BLOG IN THE DARK WITH B.J.’s
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Ingles por favor, Roberto! Something just kicked in, but I’m afraid it’s your cabeza!
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
thats Garcia for you slowbies….”dakota, wannabe”
June 23rd, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Bob,
Dakota is good people, too bad he’s a Rep! lol
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:02 pm
He played SS for like 2 games, after failing at FS…. Then back to SS, then back to FS…. On and on, he cant make plays anywhere…
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False. He played SS for 2 years. Started the first 5 games of last year at FS before being benched in favor of Hiram Eugene
you have no idea what you’re talking about!
come on man.
how many dropped INT’s ?
how many missed tackles ?
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
too bad he’s a Rep! lol
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say nothing more!!!! Dakota Im very sorry for your loss and in this time of need I completly understan ur need to reach out to fellow dunce wearing friends makes sense and I’m sorry for ever bashing you (underbreathlaughing) rocker??? you a R aswell??? just curious gotta run much love to my fans you know who you are Jerry thanks for the goos work!!!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:05 pm
some time you get the bear some time the bear gets you!!!! BRING ON THE HAIR!!!!! gotta go bro!!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Dogg! Howz the sweet suite hookup going?”
you tell me, have you seen Dell in here lately?
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Bob,
I know all the places here, when you come I’ll take care of you.
We will have a smoke out!
4eva and others,
You are all invited to the Smoke Out!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:09 pm
4evaRaider Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Daquiri’s day and nite and good 4 you work is keeping you buzzy Dogg!!!”
Keeping me BUZZY, I like that. My Buzzy ain’t cheap
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Dakota carries a gun? I hope not during Cubs season…
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Bob,
LMAO @ 548.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Dakota carries a gun? I hope not during Cubs season…
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LOL. yeah, good thing he chose the Lakers and not the Clippers!
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Dogg! Howz the sweet suite hookup going?”
you tell me, have you seen Dell in here lately?
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D’OH!!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Dakota carries a gun? I hope not during Cubs season…”
Steve Bartman has been missing for weeks. I have said too much.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:13 pm
Dogg,
I’m sorry to say that Dell is taking a little break from the place, but he said he wiki be back in July.
We miss you Dell, come back soon bro.
Where is LMN?
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Will be back, sorry.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Raider O
Thanks for the skinny on Dell, I wonder how thing’s worked out with his Raider fan client that inherited all that cash. Something about a suite for the select few of us.
LMN must be on vacation. Probably at a Blues Festival somewhere in Amsterdam.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:15 pm
RR,
Who is Manny?
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Manny Ramirez …
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Blues festival! lol I hope so.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:20 pm
RR,
That dude is a little odd. I watched him on ESPN a few times.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:27 pm
RR,
I read the article you posted about Huff. Like I said, too much money to sit on the bench. If Boyd or Davis play better than him ( and they will IMHO) , he will be cut.
As for him becoming a star for another team, I can’t tell. But I to know this, the Bills wanted him, and after we drafted him they took DW. Worked well for them, so maybe another team who was interested in him in the draft will give him another chance. Atleast as a backup. He is only 25/ 26.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Later RR.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:29 pm
False. He played SS for 2 years. Started the first 5 games of last year at FS before being benched in favor of Hiram Eugene
you have no idea what you’re talking about!
come on man.
how many dropped INT’s ?
how many missed tackl
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I was being sarcastic. Funny his best 2 years WERE at SS his freashman and junior year, but still wasnt what we thought we got. We originaly drafted him to be a FS and maybe some SS. In camp he won the starting SS job, didnt produce what we wanted so to “spark” something moved him to FS (FAILED). I can still hear myself yelling at the TV (on more than 1 occasion), “WTF Huff, that hit you in your F–king chest! My cat could have caught that pick with its a$$ hole!” (yeah, i yell stuff like that)
point is: We drafted him to be a playmaker… A game changer and never got any of that out of him. Not saying he cant because he has the measurables, it just hasnt gotten to the field yet. Can I get a stripped ball on special teams or something like that? anything and I’ll be on the Huff wagon too. I just want to win, and we need a guy that can force some turnovers IMO as a FS or SS….
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Take it easy RR
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:32 pm
BSJ….
Turdell “Bismol”.
You’re effing killing me, that was FUNNY! thanx I needed a good laugh. (:
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:35 pm
But if Marshall can’t do much with Huff till pre season, he will be cut. He had his chance to make a few plays. RR or not, other players made a few plays. Shadowing TEs doesn’t count. TH can do that IMHO!
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:38 pm
I’m done with Huff!! Out of position or not, he can’t make plays!!
How many INTs does he have, how many did Baker, Eugene, Branch, and Wilson have?!
Cut Huff, and let’s save some cap space to sign the new rookies.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Huff had 3 years to prove himself, time to give Branch and MM achance to show what they can do.
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:43 pm
D’OH!!!!
Soo…THATS how its spelled,thankx =)
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:45 pm
i’d be ok with keeping him on the roster 1 more year. Maybe he can turn it around. After all, we haven’t really had the supporting cast for ANY new raiders for a long time. I feel good about the Cable era, so maybe alot of the talent we have that havent been producing will make a change in the right direction. But…. If he cant snag the starting FS job and get some turnovers quickly, I’ll be over it too…
June 23rd, 2009 at 2:47 pm
white trash ebonics!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MAN-O-MAN THAT IS SOME REALLY REALLY FUNNY SH!t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
I just hope that the Raiders don’t go and draft Taylor Mays or that guy from Tennessee…
Let someone (Huff, Mitchell, Branch) take the safety jobs
June 23rd, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Justin Fargas started 14 Games.
Carried the Ball 218 Times.
Scored 1 TD.
How do you do that?
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:35 pm
Correction:
Post 623: have a bad…
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Later O
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:39 pm
How bout them Raiders!!!!!!!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Later KK.
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:32 pm
All my freinds ask me what the Raiders will do this year and I say “Yessir, 10 wins baby, it’s a lock!”
‘Course, I’ve said that for the last 7 years so my prognosticative skills obviously are lacking….no wonder I got turned down for that job as a phone psychic.
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Only time in a week I have time to post and the blog is deader than Todd Marinovich’s future, deader that Bob’s intellect, deader than Jeff Garcia’s arm.
June 23rd, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Deader than Jamarcus Russell’s diet.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:16 pm
They won 5 games last year. Got better as the year went on. No more Kwame Harris. 5 additional games sounds reasonable.
June 23rd, 2009 at 9:46 pm
M,
You and me need to talk, I responded to your last post but it was deleted.
You said you studied about that area and it’s history. Well sir, you made a few mistakes, so please allow me to correct you when you have the time. I would post it again, but it may get deleted before you get a chance to read it.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:15 pm
R8,
Dude, where are you? Are you still helping that lady?
Post when you can, I do miss reading your posts. I can’t tell you why, but I do!! lol
I hope all is well with you and your family, especially your daughter.
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:28 pm
The odds of the Raiders winning the SB are listed at 75:1!!!! Interesting!!!
What do you think Vegas?
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Why look at Mario and his new agent as a bad thing.
We can look at it as, Mario thinks he will be a great LT, and it looks as he wants to work on getting better to earn that big contract. What’s wrong with that?
If he plays as well as the best LTs in the game this year and next season to earn a big contract, then he should be paid as one. I don’t see the problem with him getting his new agent.
He was a 3rd RD pick, he is not making a lot of money, so why not play well and erarn a big contract. I like that!!
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:11 pm
How is it that so many think that so many have failed at the FS spot in this defense when Baker and Eugene were successful based on the coaches assesment.
The only failures that I can think of are Stu and Huff. And I predicted as much before the season but I keep reading how what we ask our FS to do, no one can do.
I remember Rod Woodson, Ronnie Lott, Jack Tatun and several others doing it very well some at a HOF level. But I keep reading in here that it is an unsound scheme. Well then why does Ed Reed excel at it? And don’t tell me that he doesn’t play it the same way because HE DOES. Ed Reed plays a deep middle but he is instinctive and anticipates extremely well.
Rashad Baker did what everyone in here said could not be done. Play FS in this system and be successful. HE DID IT!!! but everyone wants to make excuses for Huff and Stu ……….and it’s a load of crap.
Someone wrote that Murphy is a better route runner than DHB. I have to ask how do you know that? Murphy played strickly outside as did DHB most of the time except DHB was used in a variety of ways to get him the ball. Only they just didn’t throw much and when they did the ball went over the and in the seams to the TE’s. For someone to make that statement just shows flat out bias.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Priest
You can’t say with any sincerity that DHB’s college production warranted a #7.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Oh BTW, for all you cover2 and Tampa2 lovers. You know who you are. All of you who would’ve killed t get Raheem Morris from Tampa Bay to bring the Tampa2. To so-called modernize the Raider defense.
Well the MODERN defense was JUNKED by Raheem Morris in favor of a more traditional coverage simialr to what we run man, zone cover1 and 3. Seems all the MODERN defense advocates have disappeared of late since very few winning teams run it anymore.
I can’t tell you how many times I read that garbage thinking what the hell are these guy’s talking about! The Jediraiders and Scottish Raiders of this blog that fashioned themselves DC’s worthy of teaching pros how it’s done.
Where did they all go? the know it alls.
MODERN DEFENSE!! yeah right! just like the WCO is a MODERN offense only it’s been around since the late 70’s…..
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:35 pm
42 catches, 600 yds, 5 TD’S ?
He was average against college competition.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:39 pm
KK, of course those #’s don’t warrant a #7 pick. It goes without saying but if you look behind the #’s and what the kid brings to table talent wise the coaches saw what they wanted t see when they worked the kid out. Who am I to say they don’t know what they’re doing when I barely know what they’re doing.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:42 pm
Because they’ve drafted a ton of those types, and only Cliff Branch, turned out to be anything.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:43 pm
The Coaches saw what they wanted to see????? really.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:44 pm
What get’s to me in here is the know it alls that come in here and make all kinds of declarations based on zero info. they couldn’t care less if they were wrong they just want to vent. So they say anything out of frustration, most of it makes NO sense.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:47 pm
KK, Ralph Freidgen DHB’s coach will be on KNBR in the morning the 5am-9am show try and catch that show and you’ll see what I mean by the story behind the #’s
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:49 pm
Priest
You’re as guilty as the rest of us. If anybody disagrees with your “inside info” which you’ve yet to prove, you get all pushed out of shape. Just like you’re doing now.
This is a sports blog. Fans have every right to express their opinion. If the Raider Management can’t stand criticism, they ought to get out of public life.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:51 pm
KK, every team in the NFL has drafted a ton of those guy’s and only a few work out. We’ve drafted a ton and had success with many only a few have played at probowl levels. Calvin Muhammad and Dokie Williams helped us win a SB. Tim Brown worked out pretty well and he wasn’t even as skilled as DHB the truth be told.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Tim Brown worked out pretty well and he wasn’t even as skilled as DHB the truth be told.
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Really?
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Pushed out of shape? what makes you think that? seems that you are more than me.
We’re just discussing it, I’m OK with any disagreement, we can agree to disagree………..no prob.
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:56 pm
KK, myinfo is no different than yours, I don’t have any inside info and why do you keep insisting that I do?
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:57 pm
I can’t tell you how many times I read that garbage thinking what the hell are these guy’s talking about! The Jediraiders and Scottish Raiders of this blog that fashioned themselves DC’s worthy of teaching pros how it’s done.
Where did they all go? the know it alls
Priesttj Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:44 pm
What get’s to me in here is the know it alls that come in here and make all kinds of declarations based on zero info. they couldn’t care less if they were wrong they just want to vent. So they say anything out of frustration, most of it makes NO sense.
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Don’t play stupid!
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:59 pm
If you’re going to play stupid, I’m going to bed. Conversing with someone who’s not intelecctualy (?)honest is a waste of time
June 24th, 2009 at 12:00 am
KK, didn’t you watch Tim Brown at ND most of the time he played HB. When he came to us he couldn’t run routes he was essentially a specialteams player who came in on 3rd down in the slot.
Tim Brown will tell to this day he didn’t run great routes he just found a way to get open.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:04 am
Go to bed, I wrote those based on my opinions ONLY.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:05 am
Tim Brown caught 43 passes as a rookie and made the Pro-Bowl.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:08 am
He made the probowl as a Special teams player KK, you of all people should know that. He led the league in returns same as he did at ND that’s how he won the heisman on teams.
KK, I’m a little surprised at you now. You should know this.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:10 am
Priesttj Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 12:00 am
KK, didn’t you watch Tim Brown at ND most of the time he played HB. When he came to us he couldn’t run routes he was essentially a specialteams player who came in on 3rd down in the slot.
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Tim Brown caught 43 passes as a rookie, made the Pro Bowl as a WR and started 9 games.
So you’re dead wrong, as usual. Yet you get so upset when people disagree with you.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:11 am
He made the Pro Bowl as a WR AND Return Man. Here’s the friggin proof
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/rai/lineups.htm
June 24th, 2009 at 12:12 am
KK, wh did we have at WR when he was a rookie?
James Lofton, Mervyn Fernandez, Willie Gault and Tim Brown, who was going to cover Tim Brown a rookie when we had all that vet talent. They left him open.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:14 am
Look at the friggin LINK!
June 24th, 2009 at 12:15 am
Now you’re changing your friggin story. Oh he was left open. BS you made a statement and you were WRONG. AGAIN
June 24th, 2009 at 12:18 am
As a junior, he set a record with 1,937 all-purpose yards. He made the College Football All-America Team twice and won the Heisman Trophy in 1987, becoming the first wide receiver ever to win the award.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:19 am
KK, use some common sense you know as well as I do that Tim’s #’s as a rookie do NOT warrant the PB HE PLAYED WR yes but he got in as a teams player………..period. I didn’t mean he didn’t play WR but that did not get him to the PB his retuens did he returned two KR for TD’s that year and was an instant sensation on teams.
He was unbelievable on teams at ND but he also played HB and WR and slot back. He was a senational talent at ND but he was a very mediocre WR…….period
June 24th, 2009 at 12:23 am
He was similar Devin Hester is now when he came in he had to learn to play wideout position only Devin never played WR at the U he’s learning now. Where’s the argument here?
KK how is it that you argue this? have you never heard Tim talk about this?
June 24th, 2009 at 12:24 am
He won the Heisman as a WR, no?
See post 595 or this link
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tim_Brown_(American_football)#College_career
June 24th, 2009 at 12:24 am
Gnite.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:37 am
KK, man you are argumentative for no good reason other than to argue. To say Tim won the heisman as a WR is misleading. Yes Tim played WR but he also played slotback, HB and his biggest plays were on special teams. As a KR and PR same as his rookie year. It was his game in totality that won the heisman. Tim Brown as a WR only would’ve NEVER won the heisman……….period
That’s what I mean and you know it.
Look at Tim’s stats as a WR and compare them to DHB I gaurantee you they are no better. And I haven’t even looked them up yet but I know I’m right. Al Davis was convinced that he could become a great WR but he almost didn’t until Art Shell convinced him to work harder at it.
Tim has told that story many times.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:38 am
And I’m talking about Tim’s collegiate stats at WR of course.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:02 am
KK, Tim Brown 137 receptions in FOUR years at ND
DHB 138 in just THREE years at Maryland
both played in run oriented schemes with very average QB’s the difference DHB played in a pro-style offense.
Yet Tim Brown is slated for the HOF and DHB is slated as a bust by the know it alls.
As I said truth be told DHB is a more skilled WR than Tim Brown coming into this league…………period
June 24th, 2009 at 1:15 am
Good debate. I have to admit that BHP seems to be one of the more lucid posters here in the off-season, although I have disagreed with him before.
Tim Brown was just a great football player, and had a great feel for the game. He was a great athlete and must have had the brains and desire to be great.
DHB is more of a pure WR than Tim Brown was in college. Tim Brown was just a great athlete that N.D. moved around to get him the ball. Tim Brown was actually more like McFadden in college (although he was not a RB all the time).
It doesn’t mean that DHB will be a better WR in the NFL than Brown. Tim Brown was a great FOOTBALL player, basta!
June 24th, 2009 at 1:17 am
And don’t forget, Tim Brown blew out his knee and lost speed and then restructured his game to still be great without his rookie speed.
I know a lot of you guys hate Tim Brown, but he was a great football player.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:32 am
And as far as schemes are concerned. Maybe the cover 2 is outdated now because teams have become so used to playing against it and could beat it?
June 24th, 2009 at 3:00 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 3:03 am
I would rather have Malcolm Barnwell than Tim Brown any day of the week
June 24th, 2009 at 3:56 am
What’s up Timmy gets so much grief because ya got have the ring to be a great Raider not always fair but thats the way it rolls we ain’t da chargers.
June 24th, 2009 at 5:39 am
nothing against Timmy I always liked him,I just think Barnwell as a natural reciever as opposed 2 Timmy having 2 learn it.Thats all
June 24th, 2009 at 5:49 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Good post Copenhagen…Timmy became a better receiver after he blew out his knee and learned to be a better all around receiver. DHB could be a great receiver and I hope he learns how to catch the darn ball. I think they may use him as a decoy a lot.
Malcolm Barnwell…wow…when was the last time anyone mentioned that name? 1980’s…probably. Was he on that last SB team?
June 24th, 2009 at 5:55 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S. MARC WISON-2-MALCOM BARNWELL, THOSE WERE THE DAY’S..
June 24th, 2009 at 5:56 am
Morning kids! So we usually have the chat this week post, but nothing.
I wonder if this is the last post for the next few weeks or if something happens….
Jerry, whadup??
June 24th, 2009 at 6:15 am
good morning Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, 405, 4eva …
June 24th, 2009 at 6:18 am
OMG…BSJ did a good mock commercial yesterday morning…this was funny:
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 10:16 am
Got a problem defending the runs?
Are you losing the battle at the ring of scrimmage?
Is your gap disciplined? Got holes that aren’t being plugged?
You need Turdell Bismol. Reach the Bowl with confidence
June 24th, 2009 at 6:19 am
Good Morning Rockstar, Dirt Lot, 4eva, 405, NMF…
June 24th, 2009 at 6:19 am
ROCKSTAR,GOOD DAY.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:23 am
the mod really cleaned up this place. deleted over half the posts from yesterday!
hard to know the context reading last night’s comments
some of the “would be” responses now just look like ignorant rants. LOL
June 24th, 2009 at 6:28 am
We drafted him (Huff) to be a playmaker… A game changer and never got any of that out of him. Not saying he cant because he has the measurables, it just hasnt gotten to the field yet. Can I get a stripped ball on special teams or something like that? anything and I’ll be on the Huff wagon too. I just want to win, and we need a guy that can force some turnovers IMO as a FS or SS….
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AZ: good points. Agreed, this is his year. It’s sink or swim imo
June 24th, 2009 at 6:29 am
I agree Rockstar,
it looks like that KK and priest were ranting on an on about Tim Brown, but some doesn’t make sense.
Oh well…
June 24th, 2009 at 6:32 am
so AM crew …
who is your favorite player on the CURRENT oakland raiders team and why ???
June 24th, 2009 at 6:33 am
All I dream of is a playmaking Safety, Rod Woodson as an old-man would still make game changing plays please let mitchell or branch be that be that playmaker we need so bad at safety. And don’t tell me a safety can’t be a playmaker Polamalu,Reed,Sanders!
June 24th, 2009 at 6:35 am
GM all, and thanks Hwnrdr for post 614.
I can’t believe Priest was comparing Tim Brown to DHB. I do know that Timmy heard Al doesn’t like black players from Maryland following the Lamont Jordan thing. Only in it for the $$$ and always injured.
June 24th, 2009 at 6:36 am
-Cut Huff, and let’s save some cap space to sign the new rookies.
-too much money to sit on the bench. If Boyd or Davis play better than him ( and they will IMHO) , he will be cut.
-Shadowing TEs doesn’t count. TH can do that IMHO!
-he can’t make plays!!
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sheesh 4eva… and you said I was overzealous! Raider O just BLASTED Michael Huff after I left yesterday
June 24th, 2009 at 6:37 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 6:32 am
so AM crew …
who is your favorite player on the CURRENT oakland raiders team and why ???
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Duh, Danny Southwick?! I’d have my black Southwick jersey by now if there weren’t a backlog from all the orders…
June 24th, 2009 at 6:37 am
good morning BSJ, NMF …
June 24th, 2009 at 6:38 am
Duh, Danny Southwick?!
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BSJ: I’m waiting for somebody to say LB Frantz Joseph (seriously…)
LOL
June 24th, 2009 at 6:43 am
I have no real current fave on the roster, but I agree with NMF that I hope Mitchell will be that hard hitting safety that we need. Someone that will be smart in making plays, too. Remember what Polomalu did to a certain Raven’s QB on 4th and inches…jumped over the line and stopped his forward progress…
June 24th, 2009 at 6:47 am
well RR,of course we could all say Nnamdi because he is who he is but…Man I’m really hoping Dmac blows it up this year.Marcus the 2nd maybe or Napolean Kaufman the 2nd.Has the speed of Kaufman,almost,and the recieving skills of Marcus.I havent bought a jersey sinse I got Lester #37 and I think my cheap azz will purchase a #20 this year!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 6:49 am
or maybe Thomas Frikkin Howard he is awesome 2
June 24th, 2009 at 6:49 am
and I just cant 4get Chaz
June 24th, 2009 at 6:50 am
And now Jmac wants 2 stand up and be da MAN.Maybe a #2 jersey too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 6:52 am
maybe I should just get ALL the jerseys
June 24th, 2009 at 6:52 am
My favorite current Raiders players is TE Zach Miller.
If I had to choose a 2nd fave it’d be P Shane Lechler.
also like Asomugha, CJ, Morrison, Howard, Neal & Gallery (but I wouldn’t consider these guys “favorites”)
big names like Russell, McFadden, Bush, Heyward-Bey, Schilens, Mitchell, Branch, Scott, etc. have a ton of potential, but have yet to blow it up in the NFL yet. I expect great things to come from this group
June 24th, 2009 at 6:53 am
cool 4eva. thanks for sharing bro
June 24th, 2009 at 6:56 am
yes Hwnrdr,Barnwell was on the S/B team
June 24th, 2009 at 6:57 am
=)
June 24th, 2009 at 7:00 am
MALCOM BARNWELL EVENTUALY WOUND UP WITH THE REDSKIN’S IF I REMEMBER..
June 24th, 2009 at 7:03 am
Anybody else concerned about the Rivers to Gates connection on Week 1 – MNF?
Tyvon Branch: played in 8 games, no starts, finished on IR
Mike Mitchell: rookie reach. Kiper & McShay had him undrafted. hamstring injury
Maybe i’m not drinking enough Kool-Aid? where’s OAKlifer? “we need some more. the well has run dry!”
June 24th, 2009 at 7:06 am
Branch was a rookie 4th round pick last year who finished the season with 10 tackles and 1 Interception and Raider fans are not only expecting him to start, but take the league by storm …
yet i’m delusional for thinking Huff deserves another shot?
June 24th, 2009 at 7:09 am
Morning Nation!!!
who is your favorite player on the CURRENT oakland raiders team and why ???
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Zach Miller
JLH
Mike Bush
I feel that these three guys give us really good chance of winning and I would say it’s a toss up at the number one spot between JLH and Miller with mike bush a very close second this guy can striaght wear out defenses in the first two quarters then let D-mac run free in the 3 and 4th!!!
FUNNY SHIZZZ BREAKING NEWS THIS IS HEREDITARY!!!!!!(SP)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4281660
LMAO not to make light of it but it explains hell of alot!!! maybe he thought Al was saying 4-3 the whole time or wait 3-4 wait 34…no 43…bear!zone man gap!!!! ALLL all the pressure!!!!!LMAO!!!! p.s. sorry rex
June 24th, 2009 at 7:12 am
THE NEXT ROUND IS ON ME!!!!!
PLAYOFF BOUND!!!!!
Our safties will shut down Gates!!
Our D-line and Lb’s will shut down the combo sproles and LT!!!
phillip will throw 2 picks!!!!
mmmm…..KOOL-AID!!!!
PLAYOFF BOUND!!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 7:18 am
well RR,of course we could all say Nnamdi because he is who he is
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I concure he’s the man it goes with out saying!! Mr. Asomugha if you see this Take A Bow your the going to go down as one of the all time Raider greats which is a nice list to keep the company of….just promise me one thing when your a “legend” out there hitting the links with Stabler, The Stork, Atkinson and the rest watch out for Bobby he likes to wander the fence line and randomly passes out…just FYI
June 24th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Oh Yeah JLH 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! how could I 4get him???
June 24th, 2009 at 7:26 am
somebody needs 2 make-up my mind please
June 24th, 2009 at 7:26 am
mmmm…..KOOL-AID!!!!
PLAYOFF BOUND!!!!!
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Tommy Kelly – Pro Bowl
Ricky Brown – comeback player of the year
ahhh!!! thanks OAKlifer. missed you brother
thanks for fixing the Kool-Aid fountain
June 24th, 2009 at 7:27 am
watch out for Bobby he likes to wander the fence line and randomly passes out…just FYI
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LOL. look out for the creepy h0m0 janitor as well!
June 24th, 2009 at 7:37 am
ahh nothin like the first fix of thew day…KOLL-AID tht is! Tommy kelly to the prow bowl!!! Thats a strong mix…I see him finna pick up a 20 piece @ Wing Stop mmmm lemon pepper wings!!!!! saw we had a “troll” or two in here yester day it’s cool reimforcing the fact we have fans followers so to speak he loves us!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 7:38 am
my prediction if Kelly makes the probowl so will a LB most likely Morrison….and our run defense will be in the top 15!!!!!!
another cup please!!!! hold the ice extra wins PLAYOFFS HEAR WE COME!!!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 7:45 am
well I gotta go fix my brakes.Have a nice day NATION!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 7:45 am
If we beat the Chargers on Monday night, a big gorilla will be off our backs (and no, not Rilla…lol). Kool Aid will be all over the colliseum!
June 24th, 2009 at 7:47 am
Just thought I would share a forward I received today.
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They Walk Among Us!
NEW YORK – resident Kathy Evans brought humiliation to her friends and family
when she set a new standard for stupidity with her appearance
on the popular TV show, ‘Who Wants To Be A Millionaire.’
Evans, a 32-year-old wife and mother of two, got stuck on the first question
and proceeded to make what fans of the show are dubbing ‘the absolute worst use
of lifelines ever.’ After being introduced to the show’s host
Meredith Vieira, Evans was posed with a typically easy initial $100 question.
The question was: ‘Which of the following is the largest?’
A) A Peanut
B) An Elephant
C) The Moon
D) Hey, who you calling large?
Immediately Mrs. Evans was struck with an all consuming panic as she did not
readily know the answer. ‘Hmm, oh boy, that’s a toughie,’ said Evans,
as Vieira did her level best to hide her disbelief.
‘I mean, I’m sure I’ve heard of some of these things before,
but I have no idea how large they would be.’
Evans made the decision to use the first of her three lifelines, the 50/50.
Answers A and D were removed, leaving her to decide which was
bigger, an elephant or the moon. However, faced with an incredibly
easy question, Evans still remained unsure.
‘Oh! It removed the two I was leaning towards!’ exclaimed Evans.
‘Darn. I think I better phone a friend.’
Mrs. Evans asked to be connected with her friend
Betsy, who is an office assistant.
‘Hi Betsy! How are you? This is Kathy! I’m on TV!’ said Evans,
wasting the first seven seconds of her call.
‘Ok, I got an important question. Which of the following is the largest?
B, an elephant, or C, the moon. 15 seconds hun.’
Betsy quickly replied that the answer was C, the moon.
Evans proceeded to argue with her friend for the remaining ten seconds.
‘Betsy, are you sure?’ said Evans. ‘How sure are you? Duh, that can’t be it.’
To everyone’s astonishment, the moronic Evans declined to take her friend’s
advice. ‘I just don’t know if I can trust Betsy. She’s not all that bright.
So I think I’d like to ask the audience,’ said Evans.
Asked to vote on the correct answer, the audience returned 98% in favor of
answer C, ‘The Moon.’ Having used up all her lifelines,
Evans then made the dumbest choice of her life.
‘Wow, seems like everybody is against what I’m thinking,’ said the
too-stupid-to-live Evans. ‘But you know, sometimes you just got to go with
your gut. So, let’s see… I’m going to have to go with B, an elephant. Final answer.’
Evans sat before the dumbfounded audience, the only one waiting with bated breath -
and was told that she was wrong, and that the answer was in fact, C, ‘The Moon.’
Caution…they walk among us!
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They Walk Among Us!
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Some guy bought a new fridge for his house.
To get rid of his old fridge, he put it in his front yard and hung a
sign on it saying: ‘Free to good home. You want it, you take it.’
For three days the fridge sat there without anyone looking twice.
He eventually decided that people were too mistrustful of this deal.
So he changed the sign to read: ‘Fridge for sale $50.’
The next day someone stole it!
They walk amongst us!
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*One day I was walking down the beach with
some friends when someone shouted….
‘Look at that dead bird!’
Someone looked up at the sky and said…’where?’
They walk among us!—————————————————————————–
While looking at a house, my brother asked the
real estate agent which direction was north because
he didn’t want the sun waking him up every morning.
She asked, ‘Does the sun rise in the north?’
My brother explained that the sun rises in the east
and has for sometime. She shook her head and said,
‘Oh, I don’t keep up with all that stuff…’
They Walk Among Us!
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My colleague and I were eating our lunch in our cafeteria,
when we overheard an admin girl talking about the
sunburn she got on her weekend drive to the beach.
She drove down in a convertible, but said
she ‘didn’t think she’d get sunburned
because the car was moving’.
They Walk Among Us!
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My sister has a lifesaving tool in her car
which is designed to cut through a seat belt
if she gets trapped. She keeps it in the car boot.
They Walk Among Us!
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I was hanging out with a friend when we saw a woman
with a nose ring attached to an earring by a chain.
My friend said, ‘Ouch! The chain must rip
out every time she turns her head!”
I had to explain that a person’s nose and ear
remain the same distance apart no
matter which way the head is turned…
They Walk Among Us !
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I couldn’t find my luggage at the airport baggage area and.
went to the lost luggage office and reported the loss.
The woman there smiled and told me not to worry
because she was a trained professional and
said I was in good hands. ‘Now,’ she asked me,
‘Has your plane arrived yet?’…
(I work with professionals like this.)
They Walk Among Us!
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While working at a pizza parlour I observed a man
ordering a small pizza to go. He appeared to be alone and
the cook asked him if he would like it cut
into 4 pieces or 6. He thought about it for some time
then said ‘Just cut it into 4 pieces; I don’t think I’m hungry
enough to eat 6 pieces.
They Walk Among Us!
And last, but not least:
Dumb as a box of Rocks
A VERY GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE KIND OF REPRESENTATION WE HAVE IN CONGRESS,TRUE STORY:
A noted psychiatrist was a guest speaker at an academic function where Nancy Pelosi happened to appear. Ms Pelosi took the opportunity to schmooze the good doctor a bit and asked him a question with which he was most at ease.
‘Would you mind telling me, Doctor,’ she asked, ‘how you detect a mental deficiency in somebody who appears completely normal?’
‘Nothing is easier,’ he replied. ‘You ask a simple question which anyone should answer with no trouble. If the person hesitates, that puts you on the track.’
‘What sort of question?’ asked Pelosi.
Well, you might ask, ‘Captain Cookmade three trips around the world and died during one of them. Which one?”
Pelosi thought a moment, and then said with a nervous laugh, ‘You wouldn’t happen to have another example would you? I must confess I don’t know much about history.’
June 24th, 2009 at 7:48 am
The last one was the best…
June 24th, 2009 at 7:49 am
# KoolKell Says:
June 23rd, 2009 at 11:35 pm
42 catches, 600 yds, 5 TD’S ?
He was average against college competition.
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It’s not just a matter of statistics. I thought I went over this. Who was throwing DHB the rock?? I don’t think it was Joe Willie Namath.
June 24th, 2009 at 7:57 am
Pelosi is actually quite bright, but I could easily see Boehner blowing that question Dakota. So would Bush, who ACTUALLY said many voters misunderestimate him.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Dakota,
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
I must confess I don’t know much about history.’
LMFAO!!!!!!LOL
June 24th, 2009 at 8:00 am
I love how OAKlifer waterboards us all with Kool-Aid each morning…
June 24th, 2009 at 8:06 am
Question for those in love with Mitchell…
If he puts a big hit in each game, but tackles like Stuart, does he quickly get railed or a free pass because he can hit… unlike stu – haha
June 24th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Until the Front 7 start doing their job in slowing down the opposing running back….it won’t matter who’s playing safety…whether its Branch, Mitchell, Huff, Eugene or anyone.
Gibril Wilson had over 100 tackles last year…100 for a safety…that’s ridiculous.
The Raiders have had the worst front 7 in the NFL for quite a while. I think that’s why everyone is excited for Marshall. He’s hopefully going to fix this MESS.
Don’t you guys notice that every big hit usually requires the hitter to run at a pretty good rate of speed? Usually the person being hit hasn’t generated a full head of steam either.
The Raiders Front 7 has to at least get in the way if Mitchell is going to drop these bombs.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Notice in my last post that I didn’t ask the Front 7 to stop the run.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:15 am
I love how OAKlifer waterboards us all with Kool-Aid each morning…
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LOL. me too
punch drunk love
June 24th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Mitchell hits likes Stu?
what a bunch of pelosi!
June 24th, 2009 at 8:16 am
BSJ, Thanks Brother If we believe it will come…and this to shall pass jus ask 4eva the shadow knows, when the KOOL-AID is a flowin the Donks and dichargers betta not be a goin!!! To OAKTOWN THAT IS!!!!!!!!
If he puts a big hit in each game, but tackles like Stuart, does he quickly get railed or a free pass because he can hit… unlike stu – haha
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No, not at all NO MORE SCHOLARSHIPS!!! If he wants to whiff to be ahuman missle let him do it else where we need sure tackling to go along with those ballhawk skills…even mike huff can tackel!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 8:18 am
If we beat the Chargers on Monday night, a big gorilla will be off our backs (and no, not Rilla…lol). Kool Aid will be all over the colliseum!
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If we see a silver & black Kool-Aid man in the stands we’ll know who it is… OAKlifer!
he’ll be shouting shouting like Macho Man Randy Savage “ooohhh yeeeeaaah”
June 24th, 2009 at 8:19 am
In general, big hitters tend to whiff on more tackles than others but they also cause a lot of WRs to go down quick (ala Tim Brown). It usually evens out. Ronnie Lott could be juked, but God help you later when he zeroes in and…BAM!
For our defense, a hard hitter is more needed than player who always plays safe because our line overpursues and leaves our safeties a lot of chances to lay the wood on cutbacks.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:20 am
when the KOOL-AID is a flowin, the Donks and dichargers betta get goin!!!
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LOL
Nice.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:21 am
SnB Defense Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 8:13 am
Notice in my last post that I didn’t ask the Front 7 to stop the run.
LOL!!!! genious
thanks Double R, you guys know I try’d to “waterboard” one time but I think I was too “punch drunk”
June 24th, 2009 at 8:21 am
CYA all in a few hrs…errands on a day off.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:22 am
For our defense, a hard hitter is more needed than player who always plays safe because our line overpursues and leaves our safeties a lot of chances to lay the wood on cutbacks.
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In other words, the safeties get exposed because our front 7 can’t get the job done
June 24th, 2009 at 8:23 am
If we see a silver & black Kool-Aid man in the stands we’ll know who it is…
If any one steals this it’s on I already have my lawyer “Dakota” working on the trademark rights!!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 8:29 am
later BSJ!!!!!!!! gotta gind man we know!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Until the Front 7 start doing their job in slowing down the opposing running back….it won’t matter who’s playing safety…whether its Branch, Mitchell, Huff, Eugene or anyone.
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Agreed. In the Rob Ryan defense Branch & Mitchell = Schweigert & Gibson. Let’s hope John Marshall is a big upgrade at Def. Coordinator!
June 24th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Rockstar,
That’s what it kind of comes down to doesn’t it. Its all on John Marshall to fix this mess.
In my humble opinion….he gets at least 2 years to fix this. I think there is more work to be done than many realize.
I hope to all hell that I am wrong and that Marshall can fix this defense with immediate results
June 24th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Raiders’ first-round pick confident
Do I have to stage an intervention here?
I might have no choice with this kid, Darrius Heyward-Bey. The Oakland Raiders rookie wideout is under all kinds of pressure after being the upset pick of the 2009 NFL draft, the seventh selection overall, ahead of the Hands-Down Best Receiver, Michael Crabtree.
Worse, the friendly, humble, funny, 6-foot-2, 206-pounder is dangerously in denial.
So, Darrius, what’s it like having your career buried by fans, writers and ESPN analysts Cris Carter and Todd McShay before your first snap?
“It’s been fine,” the former Maryland star said. “The coaching staff told me that I was the pick they wanted. They said I fit best in our offense.”
How have you handled the pressure?
“Same way I always have,” he said. “As long as I come here and work hard, that’s all I can do. I don’t think the fans know what I can do. I don’t think anyone here woke up early to watch Maryland games last year.”
How have your new teammates — maybe privately questioning your selection — treated you?
“Great,” he said. “Everyone’s treated me like a normal teammate. I forget that I was the seventh pick.”
He’ll remember soon enough. Every few years, a team picks a player that the public hates. Think Mario Williams instead of Reggie Bush and Vince Young. Or Donovan McNabb over Ricky Williams. Or Joe Mauer, not Mark Prior.
This year’s guy is Heyward-Bey. Oakland picked him despite the presence of Texas Tech’s Crabtree and Missouri’s Jeremy Maclin on the board, and despite puny comparative numbers (15 career touchdowns to Crabtree’s 41 and Maclin’s 33).
He has puny comparative everything, really, except speed: Heyward-Bey ran a combine-best 4.3 40-yard dash.
Speed is seductive and addictive to Raiders owner Al Davis. He couldn’t resist. And the pick was widely ripped — Carter did not mince words moments after the pick on April 25 (see video above).
The former NFL standout stands by his opinion of the rookie.
“Nobody in the football world except the Raiders thought he was the best receiver,” Carter says now.
“To me, the pick does not make sense. He was honorable mention All-ACC [Atlantic Coast Conference]. So he disappeared in ACC games. So if you don’t think he’s a franchise receiver, going to make the Pro Bowl five or six times, you don’t take him that high.”
Heyward-Bey’s answer to his critics? In his first Raiders’ minicamp, he had three consecutive drops and a pulled hamstring.
This week, he aggravated the hamstring while running an out pattern and was forced to leave practice. And yet he’s … relatively happy?
“The second I got drafted, seeing the smile on my mom’s face, it was a dream come true,” he said. “I love being at practice, grinding it out with the guys.”
Does he read and watch what’s being said about him?
“I don’t,” he said.
Maybe he’s onto something. The best thing about having your career declared dead before it’s lived is the chance to prove everybody wrong.
Nobody can accurately judge at this point. Everyone in Houston hated the Williams pick. Folks said the former North Carolina State star disappeared in ACC games, too. Remember, he handled the pressure by ignoring it.
Four years later, he’s more dependable than Bush or Young. Far better, too.
It takes years to judge a pick, not an offseason workout.
Heyward-Bey was dejected during his first minicamp, but nothing else has fazed him. That’s no surprise from someone who many thought couldn’t translate a stellar track career at the McDonogh School (Owings Mills, Md.) into college ball. Heyward-Bey never moaned when the Terps’ coaches couldn’t find ways to shake him free of double-teams.
“I’ve been dealing with stuff like this my whole life,” he said.
Heyward-Bey’s situation in Oakland isn’t perfect. The team hasn’t won more than five games in a season since 2002. Five different head coaches have walked the sideline during that span. But expectations are impossibly low. I mean, Johnnie Lee Higgins led Oakland’s receivers in catches last season with 22. Across the Bay, Crabtree is already anointed a game-changer on a San Francisco 49ers offense starved for one. But Crabtree won’t practice and improve every day against a Pro Bowler like Oakland cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha.
Niners quarterbacks Shaun Hill and Alex Smith don’t seem better than Oakland counterpart JaMarcus Russell.
And Oakland has explosive young talent in RBs Darren McFadden and Michael Bush, whom Heyward-Bey can help, having learned to block in Maryland’s run-first offense.
Niners coach Mike Singletary recently claimed he almost made Crabtree cry when the rookie ran with a broken foot before the doctors cleared him. Raiders coach Tom Cable calls Heyward-Bey “a brilliant young man” who will “handle every hurdle quickly.”
He’d better. Patience is short with first-rounders.
And he won’t get much sympathy from his teammates, who have already passed on the rookie’s longtime nicknames — “DHB” or “Hey-Bey” — and anointed him “Big Money,” knowing that he’ll get at least $10 million guaranteed.
Time will tell whether that’s money well-spent.
-Seth Wickersham (ESPN)
June 24th, 2009 at 8:51 am
he gets at least 2 years to fix this. I think there is more work to be done than many realize.
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S&B: couldn’t agree more. Year 1 of a coach’s tenure is to implement his system/schemes and find out what players fit that model the best and are able to produce the best results. So year 1 (this year) he’ll use to evaluate the current defensive talent on the roster. He’ll keep and promote the players he likes and the players who excel under him. Those who can’t get the job done will take a freefall down the depth chart or get axed next season in what looks to be an uncapped year. Then he’ll get to replace them with “his guys” as long as Al Davis gives the thumbs up.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Nothing earth shattering but if you want a little more insight on DHB listen to the interview with his college coach on KNBR.com.
This kid may not set the world on fire in his rookie year but I’m telling you he is as good a kid as was Timmy Brown and has the potential to be a better WR. The systems he played in at Maryland are prostyle offenses and that lays a great foundation for a kid because they are used to the route tree and understand the framework of a pro offense. Now it’s just getting used to the opposition or DB’s in the league.
I’ve heard rumors of Jerry Rice potentially helping the kid out and we’ll see how this session goes with Russell pre-training camp.
June 24th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Then he’ll get to replace them with “his guys” as long as Al Davis gives the thumbs up.
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Better get Marshall the latest 40 times for all prospects and an Excel spreadsheet. Also will need someone to tutor him on using the Sort “Ascending” option
June 24th, 2009 at 8:54 am
couldn’t agree more. Year 1 of a coach’s tenure is to implement his system/schemes and find out what players fit that model the best and are able to produce the best results.
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WHAT?!?!!? you dont think rthis could have been our problem all along do you????? changing coaches and systems every year isnt good?!?!?!? WTF????
June 24th, 2009 at 8:56 am
lol
(post 677 smart azz sarcastic voice) (sounds alot like ‘lil john)
June 24th, 2009 at 9:01 am
This team hasn’t had a QB worth talking about in at least 3 years, I think that might have a little to do with the record along with the defense.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:06 am
priesttj Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 9:01 am
This team hasn’t had a QB worth talking about in at least 3 years, I think that might have a little to do with the record along with the defense.
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hmmm funny we always talk About THE FOUNDATION J-russ…just so you know brother crow has a lot of bones and is reaLLLL greeezy kinda greenish gamey tastin meat you should exclude it from yo diet!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Better get Marshall the latest 40 times for all prospects and an Excel spreadsheet. Also will need someone to tutor him on using the Sort “Ascending” option
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LOL! true enough …
June 24th, 2009 at 9:09 am
priesttj Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 9:01 am
This team hasn’t had a QB worth talking about in at least 3 years, I think that might have a little to do with the record along with the defense.
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There were a few games where the offense kept the defense on the field too long. But there were too many games for my comfort level where the defense either:
1. Got rolled over from the very start of the game
2. Melted in the 4th QTR with the game on the line
Defenses are usually ahead of an offense. This defense had too much veteran talent (3+yrs) to play as poorly as it did.
I think there are more problems to be solved besides scheme and playcalling.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:12 am
WHAT?!?!!? you dont think rthis could have been our problem all along do you????? changing coaches and systems every year isnt good?!?!?!?
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not only was changing coaches & systems too frequently stunting the growth of the players, but it was the HC’s that Al chose to run the show…
Bill Callahan, Norv Turner, Art Shell, Lane Kiffin, etc.
Really? those are the best candidates we could find?
Let’s hope Tom Cable doesn’t end up on that list!
maybe he’s a diamond in the rough?
June 24th, 2009 at 9:15 am
What’s up Nation.
Dakota,
LMAO @ 651
June 24th, 2009 at 9:16 am
SnB, we shall see. No one in here that I can think of was happy with the DHB pick especially ME. But when I see reason and research the kid and see the film and hear him speak I see why they did it. Not that I totally agree but I can understand it and move from my….oh my gog they picked this WR, why didn’t they get the player that I wanted? crap!
DHB is a good system fit………period. Maybe even great we’ll see…
June 24th, 2009 at 9:16 am
WHAT?!?!!? you dont think rthis could have been our problem all along do you????? changing coaches and systems every year isnt good?!?!?!?
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Yet Al Davis kept Rob Ryan throughout all those coaching changes. Kept him until his contract ran out. Kept him when a lot of people were screaming for his dismissal.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:16 am
maybe he’s a diamond in the rough?
AMEN BROTHER!!!!
mmm DIAMOND KOOL-AID!!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 9:18 am
win or lose… I think Al Davis should give Cable, Tollner, Hackett, Marshall, Board, Haluchek and Fassel 3 FULL seasons (2009, 2010 & 2011) to prove they can build a competitive football team. set the bar low.
Minimum amount of acceptable wins to keep their jobs:
2009: 5
2010: 8
2011: 10
June 24th, 2009 at 9:18 am
RR,
You are always talking about me when I’m not here, that shows that you care!!! I like you too! lol
June 24th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Mornin O,
How you livin bruh???
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Rob Ryan is Dyslexic see post 640 it runs in the fam!!!
P.S. sorry Rex
June 24th, 2009 at 9:19 am
forget coffee in the morning.
OAKlifer brings the Kool-Aid to wake us up!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 9:21 am
priesttj Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 9:16 am
SnB, we shall see. No one in here that I can think of was happy with the DHB pick especially ME. But when I see reason and research the kid and see the film and hear him speak I see why they did it. Not that I totally agree but I can understand it and move from my….oh my gog they picked this WR, why didn’t they get the player that I wanted? crap!
DHB is a good system fit………period. Maybe even great we’ll see…
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All I am saying is not to put too much on this kid. Few receivers come into the league like gang-busters. Plus, Chaz Schilens and Johnnie Lee Higgins are going to prove to be competent receivers this year.
Just don’t hype him up too much. The Raiders have a some weapons on offense (Miller, Schilens, JLH, DMAC & Bush out of the backfield and Walker at 100%
Also, the Raiders don’t usually play rookies too much. So if DHB’s numbers are low, people shouldn’t fly off the handle.
I think some are expecting more from him this year than he will deliver
June 24th, 2009 at 9:22 am
2009: 5
we need to not lower the bar sooo much we need to improve on the win total last year IMHO!! But make no mistake we are more competitve then ever this year should get us an extra 2-3 wins alone think of those 4th quater meltdowns SnB was talkin bout!! we could have won 8 last year hell!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 9:27 am
You are always talking about me when I’m not here
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Raider O:
I just noticed that right after I left last night you posted like 5 or 6 comments to completely trash Mike Huff – which is your right as a Raiders fan. I understand that. just thought it was funny.
Please see post #’s 638/639/668/671 this morning and 474 that I posted yesterday. 5 posts right back at ya!
Let me know your thoughts on them.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:28 am
All I’m saying is I see why they did it, no hype there. I have no idea what he’ll do his rookie year we’ll have to wait and see. But people in here complain loudly about his stats and I guess rightly so. But when you look behind the stats you see a very different picture.
That’s why I compared him to Tim Brown and people forget we got roasted for drafted Timmy as well because he was called a special teams player. He was very raw as a WR and into his 3rd year they were calling him a BUST. That’s when Art Shell stepped to him and essentially blasted his work ethic. Telling him he needed to work harder at becoming the player he was capable of becoming.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Maybe 4 wins Buff – Mia -KC -SD
June 24th, 2009 at 9:32 am
S&B: regarding Mike Mitchell
All I am saying is not to put too much on this kid. Few db’s come into the league like gang-busters. Plus, Tyvon Branch and Michael Huff are going to prove to be competent safeties this year.
Just don’t hype him up too much. The Raiders have a some weapons on defense (Ellis, Morrison, Howard, Asomugha, CJ and Kelly at 100%
Also, the Raiders don’t usually play rookies too much. So if Mitchell’s numbers are low, people shouldn’t fly off the handle.
I think some are expecting more from him this year than he will deliver
June 24th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Priesttj,
As for the DHB pick. I understand the logic of drafting him….don’t agree with it, but I understand it. I thought there were bigger problems on the lines. Anyway, DHB was going to be a 1st round draft pick, so the kid has talent and was rated no worst than the 3rd best guy. Then you add system fit and you can easily see why the Raiders took him.
From an outsiders perspective, I didn’t like the pick because I felt he could have been taken later in the 1st round. Of course that assumes that there was a team willing to trade for the pick. However, Cable said they were nervous as to whether DHB would fall to them at 7.
So let’s wait and see what the kid can do.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:34 am
LAKERS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Work sucks.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:36 am
We should’ve won 8 games easily but the front office crap and infighting was more a problem than we all want to admit. Kiffin was not leading this team and when cable took over it took too long to get the ship righted. Thus 5 wins instead of maybe even a division championship.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Dakota: Kobe Bryant just opted out of his contract and signed with the Clippers!
your thoughts?
June 24th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Not to mention a much better season for the QB.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Rockstar,
Mitchell vs DHB…here’s the problem you are not accepting:
Tom Cable and Al Davis like Chaz Schilens and JLH….so there won’t be any reservations about starting them.
Tom Cable and Al Davis don’t like the play of Michael Huff…so Mitchell will get the opportunity…plus Cable raves about Eugene’s leadership.
And Michael Huff was working as a Strong Safety in OTAs. I don’t think Michael Huff brings the physicality that Mithcell or Branch bring.
But that’s what training camp is for…to sort out questions like these.
Just don’t fly off the handle if Huff is a reserve…or cut outright…
And like you, I actually believe Huff has talent to be unleashed….will the Raider coaches get that talent out of him..
June 24th, 2009 at 9:40 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Dakota: Kobe Bryant just opted out of his contract and signed with the Clippers!
your thoughts?
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Okay, now we can sign Labron James.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Lebron….
June 24th, 2009 at 9:42 am
priesttj Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 9:36 am
We should’ve won 8 games easily but the front office crap and infighting was more a problem than we all want to admit. Kiffin was not leading this team and when cable took over it took too long to get the ship righted. Thus 5 wins instead of maybe even a division championship.
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Agreed. Also, the Raiders were slow getting some of the younger players on the field. Of course, that too was a result of some of the infighting.
I think if some of the young players played from the start…the Raiders grab an extra couple of wins….I really would have liked to see Scott in the 4th QTR of that 1st Charger and Bills games.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:43 am
I heard a rumor 2;
Johnny Cash and Keith Richard are Al Davis’s love children
June 24th, 2009 at 9:46 am
priest: we could have won 8 games even WITH all the dysfunction last year … it’s simple
-play DMC & Bush more and Fargas less
-Henderson instead of Harris
-Higgins & Schilens instead of Curry & Lelie
-Lawton at FB (leave Bush alone!)
-minus Cable’s fake FG attempt vs. the Chiefs
-Joseph instead of Wakefield at DT
June 24th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Stability…Stability…..Stability..In the coaching staff is the key to the succsess of this young team.Without it we will never right the ship.IMO that why every year we “look good on paper ” just no consistancy in coaching or system…We need to hold on to the staff for atleast 3 years like rr said
June 24th, 2009 at 9:48 am
LMAO!!!!!
this could be true he’s rumored to be like 115 which would make him as they say Old enought o be you daddy” or in this case Keith “smokin” Richards and Johnny “MIB” Cashs’.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:50 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 9:46 am
priest: we could have won 8 games even WITH all the dysfunction last year … it’s simple
-play DMC & Bush more and Fargas less
-Henderson instead of Harris
-Higgins & Schilens instead of Curry & Lelie
-Lawton at FB (leave Bush alone!)
-minus Cable’s fake FG attempt vs. the Chiefs
-Joseph instead of Wakefield at DT
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And Al should have fired Kiffin back in February instead of playing things along in order to build his case. Oh, Al still trusted and believed in Lane! bullschyt.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:50 am
priest: we could have won 8 games even WITH all the dysfunction last year … it’s simple
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ALL good points brother!!! Kinda liked the Fake FG tho!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 9:51 am
RR,
474: you may have a point there, fargas over Bush, Harris over Mario, so you may have a point.
638: 1 INT in 10 games, how many does Huff have in 3.5 years?????
639: we shouldn’t talk about him as a PBer, but we have high hopes, and OAK keeps giving us KookAide.
668 & 671: I’m going to wait and see what Marshall can do with the D,but I’m done with Huff.
Please no more hunting for posts!!
June 24th, 2009 at 9:54 am
RR,
Use copy and paste next time. Please! lol
June 24th, 2009 at 9:56 am
RR,
I like Frantz, he’s my fav Raider!
June 24th, 2009 at 9:57 am
RRS,, maybe this is difficult for you to fathom but DMC was injured last year. Everyone and I mean everyone in the organization wanted to play him MORE not just the fans.
June 24th, 2009 at 9:58 am
O,
Can you search for march 22 post 343 april 03 psot 26 and june 24 post 640!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Cops-what you boys hunting 4???
Raider O-I’m hunting posts officer
Cops-post’s whats a post boy???
Raider O-their just things RaiderRockstar wants me 2C
Cops-who is RaiderRockstar???
Raider O-I dont know
Cops-let me get this straight,you out here hunting something called a post because someone you dont know asked you 2???
Raider O -yes sir
Cops-well we dont have no posts ’round here,not good ones anyway
Raider O- yes sir I wont ever do it again
Cops- very well carry on then
June 24th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Please no more hunting for posts!!
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LOL. you went hunting for one this morning…
just wanted you to be “informed”
and for the record, Huff has made more plays in his first 3 years than Asomugha did in his first 3 (look up the stats – i’ve posted them here before months ago). what would have happened if we gave up on Nnamdi? the best shutdown corner in the league would be wearing different colors on Sundays …
June 24th, 2009 at 10:00 am
OAK,
You know!!!
LMAO
June 24th, 2009 at 10:03 am
4eva,
LMAO
June 24th, 2009 at 10:03 am
good lookin O thanks bruh,
ya know Double R has a point the only eason I see us givinig up on huffster is $$$$ Uncle Al might get tired of waiting and paying and waiting and paying…..
June 24th, 2009 at 10:04 am
and waiting and paying…well you get the point!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Priesttj Says:
As I said truth be told DHB is a more skilled WR than Tim Brown coming into this league…………period
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Discuss. I gotta run to the barbershop.
BHP this one is going into your file, to be brought forward during the season.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:06 am
RR,
lol
I don’t call that hunting, that was more like tracking!!
June 24th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Only the SHADOW knows O
June 24th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Reminder: Laker talk is approved by Jerry McDonald!
Hey Bo, Jhill, Exla,
What do you guys think of Jackson taking off some of the road games with Rambis taking over his coaching duties?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:08 am
maybe this is difficult for you to fathom but DMC was injured last year. Everyone and I mean everyone in the organization wanted to play him MORE not just the fans.
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so he couldn’t have been used more in the last 6 or 8 games ???
Really?
and you failed to address Bush in the running game…
June 24th, 2009 at 10:12 am
I like Huff, and I was happy with the pick.
But……..
How many chances can you give a player?
Huff is diff than Nnamdi, he started as a rookie!! 1 INT!!! 1 !!!
Doesn’t make plays, and costs a lot!!
I wanted to give him another chance due to the RR years, but he only had 1 pick in 3.5 years as a DB!!! RR or not, that’s sorry!!!!!!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 10:12 am
KK, gettin lined out today????
Timmy was good comin in so is DHB but todays game is different DHB is hampered by his hammy and just plain might not see all the time he wants due to our run 1st offense and our returning WR’s lets not forget When healthy (mentaly&phisicly) Javon could be a threat along with the always explosive JLH (myFAV) and the tall speedster Chaz!! Its going to be hard to judge this first year imho.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Huff is the Shadow with no light around!!!!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 10:17 am
the only eason I see us givinig up on huffster is $$$$ Uncle Al might get tired of waiting and paying and waiting and paying…..
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AD would take like a $6 million or more cap hit by flat out cutting Huff – sort of like the Javon Walker contract that was reworked earlier this offseason. It would hurt us more to pitch him than to keep him. I think his salary is less than 1 million this year, then jumps to over 5 million next year. Therefore, I propose that we keep him this year and give him a shot under Marshall. If he doesn’t pan out, cut him next year in an uncapped year.
Are Keith Davis, Darrick Brown or Jerome Boyd really that valuable that we’d be willing to cut Huff and take a HUGE cap hit just to keep one of them on the roster? I think not.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:18 am
I wanted to give him another chance due to the RR years, but he only had 1 pick in 3.5 years as a DB!!! RR or not, that’s sorry!!!!!!!!!
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I think I was just moded on site WOW they fast!!!
as I was saying tho Huff was often misused and chasing down TE’s from behind cause he was in the box or playing som sort of shallow zone trying to reinforce the run cause the front 7 were being manhandled hard to get picks at the LOS or chasing down a TE after he catches the ball imo.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:20 am
I agree lets see what the Marshall Plan holds.Amnesty 4 everyone 4 one year only
June 24th, 2009 at 10:23 am
You say cut him next year in uncapped year.
I like that!!!
But what if Boyd and Davis are better, and that’s my arguement.
I’m not saying just cut Huff, cut him if those 2 are better. We need roster space for LBs and DEs. IMO
June 24th, 2009 at 10:23 am
we are mired in 6 years of frustration,1 more year wont faze me I swear 2 all thats holy it wont,do you hear me I SWEAR IT WONT FAZE ME I SWEAR
June 24th, 2009 at 10:28 am
OAK,
Like you said he often was at the LOS ( 195 pounds lol), and shadowed TEs. But that’s not all be did in 3 years. He had his chances, I remember watching him dropping INTs, and not reading the play well, to slow to react. IMO
June 24th, 2009 at 10:30 am
I swear!!! I don’t care!!! lol
OAK,
Who sings that, do you know? lol
June 24th, 2009 at 10:31 am
RRS,
The coaches liked MBush but they desparately needed him to play a role which he refused to do. MBush should’ve and wouldve played more than anyone perhaps had he been more amicable to their demands.
If you are a coach and you have a dominant talent capable of doing some great things but he is also very selfish it makes it hard to trust him as much as you would like to. MBush could’ve made a tremendous difference on this team last year had he filled that role at FB/HB for the Raiders and we were worse off as a result of it.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:32 am
But what if Boyd and Davis are better, and that’s my arguement.
I’m not saying just cut Huff, cut him if those 2 are better. We need roster space for LBs and DEs. IMO
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ok. that’s fair, but that wasn’t your original arguement. at first you were saying that Huff should be cut because we’re paying him too much money and he hasn’t made any plays in 3 years.
I think the best players should make the roster and the best guys on the roster should start. Like AD says “Just Win Baby” – nothing else matters
June 24th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Raider O Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 10:30 am
I swear!!! I don’t care!!! lol
OAK,
Who sings that, do you know? lol
???? more lyrics please luinch for me homies bback soon
RAIDER ON
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 10:35 am
RR,
No sir, not trying to argue, but that was my original statement! Then I added the fact that he makes too much money just to sit in the bench.
They are my arguements, I should know! lol
Don’t ask me to go read more posts. if you want to argue, copy and paste bro!! Please! lol
June 24th, 2009 at 10:37 am
For the first time ever I wish I could copy and paste.
So KK, how does this work? you file my post and repost them as you are so adept and regurgitate the same comments over them a thousand times.lol hahahaha!
June 24th, 2009 at 10:38 am
OAK,
Like you said he often was at the LOS ( 195 pounds lol), and shadowed TEs. But that’s not all be did in 3 years. He had his chances, I remember watching him dropping INTs, and not reading the play well, to slow to react. IMO
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H*ll yeah he did! I got proof on my DVR! Damn that guy pissed me off many times with dropped picks! …..grumble >;/
June 24th, 2009 at 10:38 am
priest: Luke Lawton played pretty well at FB as the season progressed and he picked up the zbs …
He’s even starting FB in OTA’s right now ahead of Lorenzo Neal.
However, Lawton, Neal or OO … none of them are good at catching passes out of the backfield, which is part of our offense. Unless Bush decides to line up at FB on occasion to fill this role, we might see Marcel Reece make the team for this reason. Justin Griffith did well and his receiving skills will be missed.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Priesttj,
The coaches were in their right to ask Bush to play fullback. I also believe that Bush lined up as a fullback. But I can understand why he wasn’t happy about it. He was watching his dream of becoming a starting tailback start to fade away. Why??? Because he was buried behind Fargas and DMAC and rarely got carries. If Bush somehow excelled at FB, which he is not by the way, it probably would have become his permanent positin and ruined his career.
I know that you won’t agree with what I said. But fullbacks rarely get carries, rarely get catches and are really an extra O-Lineman. Takes a different mentality and skillset. I think it was a huge mistake on the coaches part to suggest that. Especially when Luke Lawton performed well in Griffin’s absence.
Lawton was the blocking back for Bush in the Tampa game.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:40 am
AZ & O: how many INT’s did Nnamdi & Gibril drop last year?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:42 am
RR,
Read posts 273, 274, and 275. lol
June 24th, 2009 at 10:43 am
RRS,
You’re right but remember we had to get Lawton for the reason MB refused to play that role. Kiffin begged the guy after OO went down to give us some snaps at the FB position. He wouldn’t do it.
Don’t sleep on Marcel Reece at FB he might be player he is a good reciever and can flat out run. That might be the upset of training camp.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:44 am
exactly. you have no answer
calling a player out for 1 or 2 plays in a 16 game season is just ignorant
think Nnamdi didn’t miss any tackles? what about Howard?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:44 am
BSJ
Just read that your boy Mike Brown signed with the Chiefs. I guess we’ll find out first hand if he has anything left. My guess is that he’ll be injured before we go to KC in week 2. Call it a hunch.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:46 am
”I’ve had success coaching wherever I’ve been. For whatever reason my guys play hard, they don’t quit. I can count games where I felt we didn’t do well and we quit on one hand in all my years in coaching. We’re going to fight like hell, just like the people in Cleveland would want us to.”
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LMFAO….Rob Ryan interview
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June 24th, 2009 at 10:47 am
What up 4eva? Already sippin some daquiri’s?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Just read that your boy Mike Brown signed with the Chiefs. I guess we’ll find out first hand if he has anything left. My guess is that he’ll be injured before we go to KC in week 2. Call it a hunch.
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LOL. Maybe Justin Fargas will crash into him and they’ll both land on IR?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:47 am
RR,
I like M Reece, I think we should use him as the Skins did with C Cooley. He was a FB/ TE at 1st, before making the move to TE.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Dakota Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Reminder: Laker talk is approved by Jerry McDonald!
Hey Bo, Jhill, Exla,
What do you guys think of Jackson taking off some of the road games with Rambis taking over his coaching duties?”
It would make no difference. We all know who the real coach is anyway. Phil barely gets up to even whistle anymore, his back is tweeked.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:51 am
SnB in this system the FB is not just a blcking back as Oakglenn and I have said many times. He would caught the ball a ton and lined up at HB plenty in short yardage/goal line. It was a rle he would’ve excelled at no question why do you think they asked him?
But make no mistake he would’ve gained a ton of yards running the ball as well. Hell Van Eeghan went to the probowl from our FB position. He would NOT have been some grunt blocking back.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:52 am
What’s up R8?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:52 am
AZ & O: how many INT’s did Nnamdi & Gibril drop last year?
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Wilson = not enough to piss me off
Asomugha = are you serious?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:52 am
If you guys coverd it all ready ….sorry just had a good laugh
June 24th, 2009 at 10:53 am
“But make no mistake he would’ve gained a ton of yards running the ball as well. Hell Van Eeghan went to the probowl from our FB position. He would NOT have been some grunt blocking back.”
Hell, even if it did mean he was a grunt blocking back with the occasional reception or goal line run, at least he would have been on the field instead of watching from the sidelines.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:54 am
What up O…hows it hanging ?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:54 am
SnB Defense Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 8:12 am
Until the Front 7 start doing their job in slowing down the opposing running back….it won’t matter who’s playing safety…whether its Branch, Mitchell, Huff, Eugene or anyone.
Gibril Wilson had over 100 tackles last year…100 for a safety…that’s ridiculous.
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Actually it’s not. Because safeties are involved in both the run and passing games, a lot of safeties have 100 tackles or close to it during the course of the year. Yeremiah Bell from Miami and Weddle from SD are two examples. What is a little unusual is Morrison might have been 5th in the league last year in tackles and Wilson was right behind him also in the top 10. What I think that means are two things, we are having a lot of plays run at us because our offense was ineffective and 2ndly our defense could not get off the field on 3rd down enough. In other words, we didn’t play well on either side of the ball, hence the 5-11 record.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:56 am
AZ & RR
759, great answer. Nnamdi didn’t see a lot passes thrown his way, and Gibril had a 100+ tackles but I still thought he didn’t do well in coverage.IMO
June 24th, 2009 at 10:58 am
R8,
It’s hanging well I guess!!! lol
Thank you for asking.
June 24th, 2009 at 10:59 am
RR,
Calm down Rockstar, everyone here want Huff to be as good as you say he is. No one wants to see a player cut. We all want to see our boys succeed, but if a player is not making a difference, why keep ‘em? I think you left yesterday before i posted my comment to your comment yesterday (feel free to back track), but I say we give him this season to MAKE SOME PLAYS, or get rid of him. He has no trade value right now so why not give him one more shot. But the fact still remains, he hasn’t been a difference maker for us, and ALL top 10 picks should be right?
June 24th, 2009 at 10:59 am
Adios sports fans…….
June 24th, 2009 at 11:00 am
R8,
LMAO!!! Correction: LM?O!! I don’t want to give you any more images of me on the Beach.
LM?O
June 24th, 2009 at 11:01 am
One comment as I sign off, Michael Huff needs to give the Raiders a reason to give him another chance in training camp……………..period
June 24th, 2009 at 11:03 am
A real fullback is what we needed to take the running game to successful levels something that hasn’t happen arounf here in several years. That Kiffin offense crao was just that..crap. L.O’Neal is the type of player that this team hasn’t had in many years. Griffin wasn’t a pure fullback. He was more of a h-back type. He ran and blocked with absolutely no power. However, once he was hurt we went to the scrap heap and picked up Luke Lawton. He’s pure garbage. Weak, slow, no power or pop. We could not go into a new season with Luke Lawton as the starting fullback.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:04 am
One comment as I sign off, Michael Huff needs to give the Raiders a reason to give him another chance in training camp……………..period
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Agreed, and with that, i’m gonna grab lunch… check in later.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Dont play that side of the field ….LM!AO
June 24th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Well said BHP….The balls in his court
June 24th, 2009 at 11:08 am
R8,
LMAO, Its nice to have you back bro.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:08 am
I say we give him this season to MAKE SOME PLAYS, or get rid of him. He has no trade value right now so why not give him one more shot. But the fact still remains, he hasn’t been a difference maker for us, and ALL top 10 picks should be right?
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fair enough. it’s a deal
June 24th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Huff’s day’s should be numbered with the Raiders, along with several other players, d@mn near half the team. Huff has done little to nothing since being drafted. Either he produces this year, along with several other players or it should cut time. Anything less than 7 wins and this teams needs to be purged of many players.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:13 am
priesttj Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 10:51 am
SnB in this system the FB is not just a blcking back as Oakglenn and I have said many times. He would caught the ball a ton and lined up at HB plenty in short yardage/goal line. It was a rle he would’ve excelled at no question why do you think they asked him?
But make no mistake he would’ve gained a ton of yards running the ball as well. Hell Van Eeghan went to the probowl from our FB position. He would NOT have been some grunt blocking back.
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Justin Griffith averaged about 1.5 catches a game in his career. And he is regarded to have decent hands. Michael Bush was not going to be this weapon out of the backfield at FB.
The Raiders have this annoying penchant of wanting to put players in positions that they rarely if ever played in their careers. I know…Nnamdi Asomugha was a safety in college…but for the most part the Raiders need to try and develop players for the position that they excelled in college.
Just because a man weighs 240lbs…doesn’t make him a fullback.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:13 am
I LOVE LUNCH!!!! 20 pc lemon wings Wing Stop!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Michael Huff needs to give the Raiders a reason to give him another chance in training camp……………..period
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every player does. when a team hasn’t won more than 5 games in 6 seasons there shouldn’t be ANY scholarships awarded!
I don’t care if they are making the vet minimum or they are the highest paid defensive player in the league!
June 24th, 2009 at 11:14 am
I havent seen this mentioned, and havent seen anyone ask Jerry, but as we know, Cable turned down the opportunity for more OTA being a rookie HC.
The question that I have is other teams have mandatory camps, not optional OTAs. I am curious on why we didnt have say the last OTA as mandatory.
Anyone know?
June 24th, 2009 at 11:18 am
re:
Raider O Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 10:30 am
I swear!!! I don’t care!!! lol
OAK,
Who sings that, do you know? lol
???? more lyrics please
June 24th, 2009 at 11:19 am
405: Al Davis doesn’t hold players accountable for anything other than their play on the field during the regular season.
He doesn’t even make them accountable to coaches. That’s why whiney players like Jerry Porter can go straight past the HC and into AD’s office when they have a question, comment or concern.
HC’s in Oakland have no authority.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Raider-405 Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 11:14 am
I havent seen this mentioned, and havent seen anyone ask Jerry, but as we know, Cable turned down the opportunity for more OTA being a rookie HC.
The question that I have is other teams have mandatory camps, not optional OTAs. I am curious on why we didnt have say the last OTA as mandatory.
Anyone know?
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I asked about that earlier. They did have the QB School though and that was a good thing.
Perhaps they felt that since he team wasn’t implementing a new defense and the QBs were in the school that an extra camp would not have helped much.
I don’t agree though. A 5-11 team needs all the practice it can get
June 24th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Dakota Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 10:08 am
Reminder: Laker talk is approved by Jerry McDonald!
Hey Bo, Jhill, Exla,
What do you guys think of Jackson taking off some of the road games with Rambis taking over his coaching duties?
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Dakota, Why waste the per diem on Rambis, just let Kobe take over like he did in the playoffs. LOL
Seriously, Rambis is the heir apparent and that’s why he turned down coaching offers. Great on the job training. Phil gets to spend more time with Jeannie. Did you notice the absence of Dr. Buss at the award presentation.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Rob Ryan says:
For whatever reason my guys play hard, they don’t quit. I can count games where I felt we didn’t do well and we quit on one hand in all my years in coaching.
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that’s because they don’t show up. you have to show up before you can quit!
Ryan’s prevent defense in the 4th quarter pretty much says to the offense “I quit. I’m done fighting and playing hard”
Ask the Chargers & Bills last year if RR’s defenses ever quit!
June 24th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Exla, I don’t like the thought of Rambis as HC…I hope B-Shaw gets the gig after next season. Or coach K.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:26 am
priesttj Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 10:51 am
But make no mistake he would’ve gained a ton of yards running the ball as well. Hell Van Eeghan went to the probowl from our FB position. He would NOT have been some grunt blocking back.
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My biggest concern going into 2009 is if the Raiders can get 3 running backs enough meaningful carries. I don’t see it. A RB like Bush needs 12 to 15 carries to get going…same with Fargas…and DMACs talent demands he gets carries.
It will be interesting to see how the Raiders split the 30 carries a game this year
June 24th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Kurt Rambis fits the lakers like a glove!
Maybe he can convince Gasol to grow a mustache and wear the huge glasses?
June 24th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Not my 1st choice either, but he is a devotee of the triangle offense and the only reason Coach K would come here is because of the NCAA sanctions he’s facing.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:33 am
It will be interesting to see how the Raiders split the 30 carries a game this year
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Agreed.
Raider QB’s had 419 pass attempts last year.
Raider RB’s had 428 rush attempts last year.
both average out to 26 or 27 attempts per game. I guess that’s what Cable had in mind when he said “balanced offense”. Problem was the passing game stunk (blame that on whoever you wish) and didn’t produce. Ranked 31st in the league!
June 24th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Curry dropped 5 passes last year. Higgins, Lelie & Walker each dropped 2. Schilens had none.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:41 am
RR, Not a fair comparison as both Lelie and Walker had to have their pants fixed from all the splinters in them from being inactive and on the bench.
June 24th, 2009 at 11:53 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
was the passing game stunk (blame that on whoever you wish) and didn’t produce. Ranked 31st in the league!
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I like to blame and point fingers.
Al Davis (firing a head coach mid-season – 3 signal callers
Lane Kiffin (ultra-conservative play calling and poor personnel decisions)
Tom Cable (poor personnel decisions
Kwame Harris
Ronald Curry
Cornell Green
Ashlie Lelie
Justin Fargas
JaMarcus Russell (poor accuracy at times)
June 24th, 2009 at 11:53 am
OAK, and others,
Give me a few minutes plz, I’m closing a deal. This guy is a tough sale!!
June 24th, 2009 at 11:55 am
I like to blame and point fingers
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we all do! that’s what blogs are for
June 24th, 2009 at 11:58 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 11:33 am
It will be interesting to see how the Raiders split the 30 carries a game this year
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Agreed.
Raider QB’s had 419 pass attempts last year.
Raider RB’s had 428 rush attempts last year.
both average out to 26 or 27 attempts per game. I guess that’s what Cable had in mind when he said “balanced offense”. Problem was the passing game stunk (blame that on whoever you wish) and didn’t produce. Ranked 31st in the league!
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This is actually an interesting post on a couple of levels. Cable does believe in a balanced offense, which is much more difficult to defend. Especially when you are chucking the rock around the yard on First down. When your passing game is the worst in the league, that is going to put a huge strain on your running game, especially in the red zone, and your defense. Hence the drafting of Russell, Dmac, DHB, Louis Murphy, Bush, Shilens, Shields, etc.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
GET ‘em O…..tell ‘em if you anit makin slaps or doublin stacks you cant see me!!!!!!your like our closer!!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
The pass offense will be better if the run game can get more than 2 yards on 1st and 10…the pass game also improves when there is a pass catching threat in the backfield…when the pass catching tight end doesn’t have to stay in and block….when the wide receiver get separation…when the left tackle is getting blown up….
I’ll say this…the pass offense demonstrated several times that it can be effective when the right talent is on the field.
June 24th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
LMAO, this guy is arguing over $250!!!!!! On a 7k car!!!!!!
My last try to close him:
Take away close: maybe this is too much car for you sir,and I have a few other cars that I think you would like, but I can’t do more for you on this one.
Let’s see what happens. He is talking to the wife!!
June 24th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Raider O Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
LMAO, this guy is arguing over $250!!!!!! On a 7k car!!!!!!
My last try to close him:
Take away close: maybe this is too much car for you sir,and I have a few other cars that I think you would like, but I can’t do more for you on this one.
Let’s see what happens. He is talking to the wife!!
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LOL! The automitive buisness is a crack up, I’ve been doing it for 9 years now. Service, not sales though, but its still just as entertaining.
customer:
“Yeah, I backed my car into my mail box and the side mirror broke off…”
me:
“Ok sir, a new mirror installed for your vehicle will be $xxx.xx, and I have on in stock, would you like it replaced today?”
customer:
“WHAT! THATS JUST REDICULOUS! WHY ISN’T THIS COVERED UNDER MY WARRANTY!?!???”
Ah, yes we’ll fix your garage door opener for free if that breaks too! As a matter of fact buddy, why don’t ya bring your taxes down and we’ll cover those under warranty too…
All day everyday…..
June 24th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
RaiderO, did you give him a Carfax? lmao
June 24th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
AZ,
LMAO You think that’s funny!!!!
My customer: OK deal, but can you put 4 new tires????
4 new tires will cost about $200+!! that’s what him and the wife came with after a 10 min call. LMAO
Me to the customer: I love it!!!! Great idea sir!! But No tires!!!!!!
Sold!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you God!!!!!!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Hay AZ.. if you put gas in a diesel motor is that cover under warranty ?!?LOL it is fuel
June 24th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Warriors trading Crawford and Anthony Randolph to the Hawks for Acie Law and Speedy Claxton.
WTF?
June 24th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
well NATION, another day is coming to an end peace out O, Double R, Dakota, nice to see KK how did gettin lined out go?? l8er AZ and R8 and any one I missed I”M OUT PEACE!!
PLAYBOUND!!!!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
have a good one OAK
June 24th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
GET’ER DONE!
1. Russell: grow some b*lls, get that WR corps under your belt, and command the team on and off the field.
2. Dmac: Your the f*ckin MAN bro, show us what you got this year!
3. Mr. Bush: stop sniveling and bust some heads! Then the paycheck will come!
4. JLH: Burn, baby burn! 4 PR’s for TD’s this season ok? thanks…
5. Chris Johnson: Dude, you rock! Where the h*ll have you been bro? I hope/know your the real deal, it’s great to have you opp Nnamdi! Keep it up.
6. Schilens: 1,000 yards this season kid. Stay healthy.
7. DHB: Not expecting the world out of you this season. Just learn what you can learn and we’ll blow Crabtree outta SF next year. Get healthy and study, study study… Spend some time with Jerry Rice if you can.
8. Zach: Probowl Baby! Do what you do.
9. Loneal: Great to have ya in our locker room! Make sure these young cats understand what it takes (especially Mr. Bush)
10. Michael Huff: It’s time to make some plays, the nation is getting restless. We love you measurables and your positive attitude, but get your head back in it! Spend some time with Primetime if ya can, it did wonders for C. Johnson.
Just a few shouts, I know they read this sh*t…. I would.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Hay AZ.. if you put gas in a diesel motor is that cover under warranty ?!?LOL it is fuel
*****
People do it… And yes, they THINK it should be LOL
June 24th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Good job on the sale O! Those ones are tough.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
WOW OK PLAYOFFBOUND!!!! I’ts been a long week already!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
I’m done!!! That was a tough sale, but I did enjoy it! lol
I’m sorry I missed you OAK, it took longer that I would like, but I’m sure you understand. Later Bro.
Dakota,
LMAO, I do if they ask me. I have nothing to hide. I buy these cars myself, and I stand by them. For a month or so! lol
June 24th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Gov Mark Sanford (R) S.C. Wow!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
5 miles or 5 minutes…right O
June 24th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
I was reading about Huff on Profootballtalk a couple of days ago and we have paid that guy so much money its not funny.
He has enough money he should be able to buy some coverage or tackles.
Impossible to trade him no one in their right mind is going to pay him his current salary. We are just going to have to cut him and take the cap hit.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
An affair! OMG!!!!! Dems never have affairs :0
June 24th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Thank you AZ, I’ve been in the business for over 10 yrs. It never gets old!!
People think the Money is in Sales, but it’s in service. That’s why I want to own a franchise one day. I don’t care if it’s Kia!! I can sell used cars, and make money on service. You need a great Service rep to make it work. Someone that customers trust and like.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
I was reading about Huff on Profootballtalk a couple of days ago and we have paid that guy so much money its not funny.
He has enough money he should be able to buy some coverage or tackles.
Impossible to trade him no one in their right mind is going to pay him his current salary. We are just going to have to cut him and take the cap hit
*****
Not so fast. I don’t think even the waterboys got better year to year with the recent state of our beloved franchise, let alone any players. Lets give it 1 more year under the Cable man and see if he gets his head back.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Yeah so what the Governor has a side piece in Argentina…at least it is not as embarrassing as senator Craig getting caught in the men’ room at the airport trying to have gay airport bathroom sex.
When are people going to get over it, monogamy is a thing of the past, it was left behind in the 1950’s with segregation, Leave it to Beaver and leaded gasoline.
One thing for sure at least it was a Republican!
June 24th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Another Repub going Awol. In Argentina, no less :-]
June 24th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
R8,
5 miles!!!!!
No dude, a lot can happen in 5 miles!!!
You start it, you own it!!!
LMAO
June 24th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Dakota the difference is the Dems are not the ones preaching family values, monogamy, abstinence, etc.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Hypocrisy a synonym for chistianity and or republicanism
June 24th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Clinton was the poster child of fidelity
June 24th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
LMAO O
June 24th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
I know automotive has a bad rap, but truely the key to success is honesty and integrity when it comes to this bizz. I dont care what people say, I sleep very well and live even better. Made a great career out of it.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
Republicanism is a new word I think I just made it up and you sound kind of like GW Bush when you say it.
Try it!
Remember when Bush made up the word stategery!
June 24th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
R8,
Welcome to A Hab Motors, we have a few sayings here:
1- why argue, paying sticker is quicker!!
2- you start it, you own it!!
3- everything can be fixed, and it’s usually just a fuse!!
lol
June 24th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
r8rpaver
Clinton didn’t run his campaign on family values. He is smart enough to know he is a man and he has a pen-is and he will use it!
June 24th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
I guess if people find it okay to abort babies as a contraceptive, why wouldn’t they think it was okay to cheat on your dying wife right? Thankfully that didn’t hurt John’s political career because Dems don’t preach family values. lol
June 24th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
Dakota Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
An affair! OMG!!!!! Dems never have affairs :0
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I shouldn’t post on politics, but I will anyway. The Republicans put themselves out there as the family values party. When that’s your primary platform….and then you have all of this nonsense….you lose a LOT of credibility.
They really need a credible 3rd party in this country. Its getting a little sad
June 24th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
AZ,
I agree, that’s why I’m good at what I do. I buy good cars at a cheap price, I sell them close to Trade in Value ( wholesale), and I stand by them.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
During the Democratic Convention, Bill Clinton and Al Silver-n-Black666 Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
r8rpaver
Clinton didn’t run his campaign on family values. He is smart enough to know he is a man and he has a pen-is and he will use it!
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“During the Democratic Convention, Bill Clinton and Al Gore staged a sort of pre-emptive celebration of family values, claiming the issue for themselves. How well they succeeded remains to be seen. They know the danger of Democrats’ seeming promiscuously tolerant of all bizarreness in some aging ’60s, Phil Donahue fashion. Clinton has often sounded virtually Republican in his insistence on personal responsibility.”
Time.com Monday, Aug 31, 1992
LMAO
June 24th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
SnB,
LMAO @ 830.
I was thinking the same thing!!
June 24th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Famly Val-UUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS
June 24th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
O,
If your doing that, your making good money too. Thats how everyone should do things…
Good talkin with everyone. GO RAIDERS.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
On Father’s Day for chrissakes.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Men who have a stance on abortion are either gay, want to be a woman or in politics.
Sorry Dakota but that’s an issue for the ladies to decide!
June 24th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
We should start our own 3rd Party!!
We: the people
June 24th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Later AZ, I enjoyed you posts.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Right, the Dems never mention family values…riiiiight: Pelosi hopes voters will recognize the fact that she “places a premium on family values.”
I guess since the Dems place a premium on family values they too should keep their dicks in their pants?
June 24th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
666,
I disagree sir. If I have to pay for 18 yrs of support, then why don’t I have a say in it?
I have no issue with supporting kids, but my issue is:
Why is it just up for the ladies, it’s your baby too!!!!!
June 24th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
US Soccer beat Spain!!!!!
Oh, I forgot, who gives a fuk?
June 24th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Just messin with ya Dakota.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Clinton ran a balanced budget the end of this argument!
He had a surplus can you say Surplus!
Until GW came in and started a war!
Now I myself don’t care who you hump as long as you can run a balanced budget and keep this country in the black!
Now Reagan that’s a president for you republicans to be proud of he taught old people how to eat cat food, he claimed ketchup was a vegetable so he could cut back on school lunches. He took credit for the fall of the Soviet Union when they were in the middle of a civil war.
LMAO
June 24th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
I share some views with Reps, and some with Dems. What does that make me? Confused!! lol
I need a party to represent me!! We all do!!
June 24th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
O only after it is born does the father have rights…until then its the womans right to choose
June 24th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Raider O if you get stuck with 18 years of support then it appears our government feels the same way, like they (women) have some kind of biological right over us when it comes to raising children.
However the system makes me ill and I don’t agree with it. I spent 17 years paying child support I just got done a couple of years ago.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
666,
Just because Clinton road the tech-stock boom to a balanced budget, doesn’t mean he had anything to do with it…right place, right time. Reagan will always be looked at as a much better President that Slick Billy.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Dakota,
The Democrats give obligatory “lip service” to family values type stuff. The Democrats tend to have an “to each his own” mentality to personal behavior. Democrats mainly run on wealth redistribution and domestic policy issues. That’s their brand…..
The Republicans brand is family values, fiscal discipline and foreign policy.
Now before you all jump on me. I am not saying that either party lives up to their respective brand in practice…..just that those key words are how they market themselves.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Dakota,
The Republicans are messing up like the Conservative Party did in Britain after John Major or in Canada after Brian Mulroney
June 24th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Its too bad…because this country is at its best with disenting voices in the public sphere.
The Republicans are diminishing themselves everyday with their bizarre behavior, incoherent strategy, and self-annointed leaders
June 24th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
666, you could have been on board as Prez during this time and the economy would still have been good:
“The revolution in information technology had been forty years in the making,” writes Greenspan. “It began after World War II with the development of the transistor, which provoked a surge of innovation. The computer, satellites, the microprocessor, and the joining of laser and fiber-optic technologies for communication all helped set the stage for the Internet’s seemingly sudden and rapid emergence.”
The information technology revolution transformed the economy. “Much of corporate activity is directed at reducing uncertainty,” writes Greenspan. “For more of the twentieth century, corporate leaders lacked timely knowledge of customers’ needs. This has always been costly to the bottom line. Decisions were made based on information that days or even weeks old. Most companies hedged: they maintained extra inventory and backup teams of employees ready to respond to the unanticipated and the misjudged. This insurance usually worked, but its price was always high. Standby inventories and workers are all costs, and standby ‘work’ hours produce no output. They produce no revenue or added productivity. The real-time information supplied by the newer technologies has markedly reduced the uncertainties associated with day-to-day business…Information technology has released much of the extra inventory and the ranks of backup workers to productive and profitable uses.” Greenspan “zeroed in” on what he believed to be the primary riddle of the technology boom: the question of productivity. The government, he said, “had been underestimating productivity growth for years.” How did the technology boom improve productivity? Greenspan said, “The major contribution of advances in information technology and their incorporation into the capital stock has been to reduce the number of worker hours required to produce the nation’s output, our proxy for productivity growth.”
“Even rising productivity could not explain the loonies of stock prices,” writes Greenspan. “On October 14, 1996, the Dow Jones Industrial Average vaulted past 6,000-a milestone achieved, declared a front-page story in USA Today, ‘on the opening day of the seventh year of the most consistent bull market in history’…The New York Times noted that more and more Americans were shifting their retirement savings into stocks, reflecting ‘a widespread belief that the stock market is the only place to make long-term investments. America was turning into a shareholders’ nation.”
A stock-market boom is good for the economy, because “it predisposes businesses to expand, makes consumers feel flush, and helps the economy to grow.” Nevertheless, Greenspan and Rubin were growing concerned as “more and more households and businesses were exposing themselves to equity risks.” What if the stock-market boom was a bubble?
June 24th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
We voted the Conservative Party out of existence after Mulroney.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Dakota I respect your opinion now lets get back to what really matters in life….will JaMarcus Russell have a 65% completion rate or higher?
Can he throw for 20 plus TD’s
June 24th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
“they think that it is ok to cheat on the your dying wife”-it didn’t seem to bother the Repubs. when Gingrich did it.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
SnB Defense Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Its too bad…because this country is at its best with disenting voices in the public sphere.
The Republicans are diminishing themselves everyday with their bizarre behavior, incoherent strategy, and self-annointed leaders
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Same thing was said of the Dems four years ago…as soon as the public sees that the Dems have proposed some of the most expansive spending in the history of the US, they will understand and come to their senses.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
You see Dakota the key sentence in your article is here:
“Much of corporate activity is directed at reducing uncertainty,” writes Greenspan.”
Greenspan is a republican first hired by Reagan in 1987 of course he is going to have a slanted version of our economy during the Clinton era.
June 24th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
lefty12 Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
“they think that it is ok to cheat on the your dying wife”-it didn’t seem to bother the Repubs. when Gingrich did it.
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Have you seen Newts wife?
June 24th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
R8 and 666
I disagree. If it’s her right to choose, then I feel it’s her right (responsibility) to support the kid.
She chooses, and I pay!!! I don’t like that deal!!! No sir!
June 24th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
the one he has now,or the one he divorced as she laid in a hospital bed?
June 24th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Here’s Raider Talk,
What do you think about the statement below by BHP:
Priesttj Says:
As I said truth be told DHB is a more skilled WR than Tim Brown coming into this league…………period
June 24th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
One of the things that cracks me up about Republicans is how they can be so hard core against something and preach about it and then get busted for that very thing!
Rush Limbaugh hates drug dealers he got popped illegally buying drugs form Mexico. LMAO
Larry Craig against gay marriage he gets popped trying pick up a man for sex in a bathroom at an airport.
Its ok if you going to screw up your human but don’t be a preacher (abuse normal citizens for doing something) then get busted for that very thing for which you are against, that is just pure hypocrisy.
June 24th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Dakota-just pointing out the double standard used by some.both sides have them.
June 24th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
R8 & 666,
Look at this way too,
What if you want the Baby, and you are willing to support the baby, but she doesn’t want it. Tough luck for you!!!
How do you feel about that?
June 24th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Raider O Says:
June 24th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
R8 and 666
I disagree. If it’s her right to choose, then I feel it’s her right (responsibility) to support the kid.
She chooses, and I pay!!! I don’t like that deal!!! No sir!
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lol…you play you pay only goes one way RaiderO…the girl has a get out of jail free card…which may or may not cause them trouble down the road if you know what I mean.