UFL says no to “Tuck rule”
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, July 8th, 2009 at 12:33 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Have never bothered to mention the fledgling United Football League in this space because there have been no Raiders ties that I’m aware of, not to mention my natural skepticism about it lasting more than a year or two.
That said, there’s a lot to like about some of the rule differences with the NFL released by the league today. Among them is the abolition of the “Tuck Rule,” although there was no mention of the abolition of Walt Coleman.
Also like the idea of giving each team a possession in overtime, as well as replays being decided in the booth rather than by an official on the field.
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July 8th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
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July 8th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
thanks for the update Jerry!
July 8th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
repost -
I suppose we could keep 5 DE’s, but that seems like a lot since we are keeping 4 DT’s and 7 LB’s on the active roster. I have the breaksown like this:
3 QB’s
3 RB’s
2 FB’s
6 WR’s (including PR Higgins)
2 TE’s
10 OL
8 DL
7 LB (including Condo & Ekejiuba)
5 CB (including KR Miller)
4 S
2 K/P
That comes out to 52 players. The last roster spot will be a tough one to fight for. Lots of competition. I’m thinking it will go to a 3rd TE since Tony Stewart is our team rep for the players union and is an adequate blocker and pass catcher, plus we traded up to draft blocking TE Brandon Myers to free up Zach Miller as a receiving option …
the 53rd player could very well be disgruntled Andrew Walter (we’ve seen it before!) or scholarship player & Al Davis favorite Sam Williams
July 8th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Raider O Says:
TW,
I don’t know how your schd is, but I do want to see you. Smoke and talk Art!!!
I can give you my # if you like, but not on this site.
———–
Write me at therion93@msn.com
July 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Thanks, Jerr — Speeds things up a bit!
Repost:
HayesDaze37 Says:
KK — You call people names, and throw out BS “facts” without even doing the homework! You’ve been calling people flat-out liars, goons, etc…and then YOUR OWN ARGUMENT BRINGS YOU DOWN! You argue with yourself. It’s funny and sad all at once…
KoolKell Says:
The Goons want to shut me up but, that won’t happen, lol
The Raiders have 6 winning seasons in the last 30 yrs, no?
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NO, KK — You BS flinger!!
In the last 30-seasons (1979-2008), the Raiders have 13 Winning Seasons.
In that same timeframe, the Raiders had 5-seasons where they went 8-8.
The Raiders’ record in the last 30-years includes:
3 Super Bowl appearances
2 AFC Championship losses
6 MORE Playoff appearances in addition to SB/AFC CH.
BE A MAN, KK — AND ADMIT YOU’RE WRONG ABOUT SOMETHING FOR ONCE!
THE RAIDERS’ RECORD IN THE PAST 30-YEARS IS AS GOOD, OR BETTER, THAN MOST…MOST…MOST TEAMS IN THE NFL OVER THE SAME PERIOD.
LOOK AT THE NUMBERS, KK — IF YOU CAN SEE THROUGH YOUR BLIND HATRED!!
Year Playoff Finish Record
2008 5 – 11
2007 4 – 12
2006 2 – 14
2005 4 – 12
2004 5 – 11
2003 4 – 12
2002 Super Bowl XXXVII 11 – 5
2001 AFC Divisional Playoff 10 – 6
2000 AFC Championship 12 – 4
1999 8 – 8
1998 8 – 8
1997 4 – 12
1996 7 – 9
1995 8 – 8
1994 9 – 7
1993 AFC Divisional Playoff 10 – 6
1992 7 – 9
1991 AFC Wild-Card Playoff 9 – 7
1990 AFC Championship 12 – 4
1989 8 – 8
1988 7 – 9
1987 5 – 10
1986 8 – 8
1985 AFC Divisional Playoff 12 – 4
1984 AFC Wild-Card Playoff 11 – 5
1983 Super Bowl XVIII 12 – 4
1982 Second Round Playoff 8 – 1
1981 7 – 9
1980 Super Bowl XV 11 – 5
1979 9 – 7
1978 9 – 7
1977 AFC Championship 11 – 3
1976 Super Bowl XI 13 – 1
1975 AFC Championship 11 – 3
1974 AFC Championship 12 – 2
1973 AFC Championship 9 – 4 – 1
1972 AFC Divisional Playoff 10 – 3 – 1
1971 8 – 4 – 2
1970 AFC Championship 8 – 4 – 2
1969 AFL Championship 12 – 1 – 1
1968 AFL Championship 12 – 2
1967 AFL Championship 13 – 1
1966 AFL 8 – 5 – 1
1965 AFL 8 – 5 – 1
1964 AFL 5 – 7 – 2
1963 AFL 10 – 4
1962 AFL 1 – 13
1961 AFL 2 – 12
1960 AFL 6 – 8
That is an incredible body of work. The Raiders — and AL DAVIS’s — great legacy will live on…
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
July 8th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
I only hope for the best, but should Russell digress and performance slides say 10 TDs, 20 INTs sub 50% comp rating, do we look at a franchise QB going into next years draft?
Or do we continue to work towards development into year 4?
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405: I’d be surprised if Russell falls flat on his face after getting better last year as the season progressed. the kid only has 16 starts under his belt. If he’s that horrible next year he’ll be pulled in favor of Jeff Garcia and we’ll have a Kerry Collins/Kurt Warner type situation on our hands … Russell has a new QB coach, new OC (err.. passing game coordinator) and new receiving targets (Heyward-Bey, Murphy, Myers, Neal) plus I doubt he was able to build much chemistry with Javon Walker or Arman Shields since they were both injured last year
I expect there to be some struggles early, especially against SD with a roid raging Merriman hungry to make an impact in a contract year on national television.
I expect progress in his second season as a starter. less fumbles, more leadership, better footwork & accuracy, a few 300 yard and/or 3 TD games. Is that expecting too much from a #1 overall pick heading into his 3rd NFL season?
July 8th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
Repost:
And LMN — It looks like the Raiders have been in the Playoffs 11-times since you were born (you just choose to forget things that hurt your argument).
That means the Raiders have been in the Playoffs, on average, MORE THAN once every 3-years.
There are owners/GM/teams who would do ANYTHING to get results like that over a 30-year period.
The Raiders are in fine shape — a winning season or three would put them right back on top.
July 8th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Why 6 WRs?!
Walker
Chaz
JLH
DHB
Murphy
5 WRs is good enough IMHO
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Walker & Shields are injured. One or both might start the season on the PUP list or even IR …
DHB hasn’t been on the field due to the injured hammy and even Schilens & Murphy have battled injuries this offseason in NO-CONTACT OTA’s
I expect Holland, Shields, Watkins, Franklin, Parker, Bayes or Miller to make the 53 man roster as an insurance policy
Holland, Watkins & the 2 undrafted rookies are all having solid camps according to Cable and the media
July 8th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Pro football needs a sudden death overtime. If the defence can stop the offence before a few first downs then the advantage goes to the team that kicked off. If you can’t stop the opposing team then don’t let it get to overtime in the first place.
No evidence that Brady was going to “tuck” the ball and run. It looked to me as though he was going to reset his arm and throw again. Therefore the “tuck” rule doesn’t apply in this case. Game over, Raiders win!
July 8th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
hwnrdr Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 7:00 am
“Hey guys,
At this point…I BELIEVE!!! 10-6 is actually not impossible. ”
16-0 isn’t impossible, either. It’s also not impossible for me to win the lotto next week. Anything is possible. What’s your prediction? Call it. That’s what a prediction is. Do you predict 10 wins? Yes, I know it’s “possible” we can win 10 games. Got that. But is that your prediction? I predict 4 wins. And that’s all I’ll predict, give or take a game or two, as long as Al Davis runs the team.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:00 pm
Had the ball been still moving in Brady’s hand, the Tuck Rule would’ve been properly applied.
The foward-motion of the ball had stopped…at that point Brady’s just another ball-carrier, and that fumble should’ve sealed their fate.
Instead…
Nothing but sour grapes.
Time for THIS team to win.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
All of you “believers” in here. Do you guys know why you keep your predictions close to the vest, despite expressing your belief and optimism that we maybe very well could win 10 or even 12 games? Because you know we won’t win that many games, and you don’t want to lose any credibility. Everyone else should take note of that. If these guys thought for one second that the Raiders would really win 10 games this year, they’d flat out call it. I guarantee you they had no problem predicting 10 wins around this time in ‘01 and ‘02. Straight out calling it. Now, it’s, “I think it’s not entirely impossible that we maybe could win a possibility of 10 possible games, but that’s just my believe. Don’t insult me for my beliefs!”.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
#5 is a great post. I was laughing the entire time the 3 winning seasons thing was posted.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Grammatical correction: “my belief”, not “my believe”.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
It’s like Vegas Raider, he believes in the Raiders, but refuses to bet on them because he only picks winners. That’s a classic.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
I flat out call an 8-8 season. Right here, right now. Raiders will run the ball and defense improves enough to keep them in games.
Russell will cost them a few games, but he should win them a few as well.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Belief is the death of intelligence. As soon as one believes a doctrine of any sort, or assumes certitude, one stops thinking about that aspect of existence.
—-RAW
July 8th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Faith is a sounder guide than reason. Reason can only go so far, but faith has no limits.
~Blaise Pascal~
July 8th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
Shut the hell up! This is not fortune cookie reading hour!
Silver-n-Black666
July 8th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Raider 75, you’re a man amongst a bunch of slimy team shills. You’ve got my respect. Of course, I do respectfully disagree. I believe Cable is a puppet and will abandon the run as Davis’s puppets usually do. This is why I predict 4 wins. But if you’re right, you will get my props. You already have my respect, unlike those cheerleaders Hayesdaze and priest.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
I like fortune cookies!
July 8th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
I agree MaddenRaider. If Cable abandons the run, all hope is lost.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Shut the he11 up! This is not fortune cookie reading hour!
Silver-n-Black
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LOL. Agreed
July 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
Raider75, surely you can find something more meaningful to apply Pascal’s wisdom to than an professional sports franchise. It’s not that serious. And if the Raiders win, faith will have had nothing to do with it. It will be because Tom Cable took control the way Gruden did and the way Kiffin tried to. If he doesn’t, simple reasoning would have it that the Raiders will win no more than 4 games, and faith will be useless, as it’s been the past 6 years.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
MR — Why is it so important to GUESS how many games we win? Just to stroke your ego, if you’re close to right about the team falling flat?
We don’t even know who’s going to make it out of training camp yet.
If I had to GUESS…I would say the Raiders would surprise me if they DID NOT win 8-games this season…
And they would REALLY surprise me if they won 10-games this season…
Those just GUESSES, you understand.
But, both of those things are as likely to happen as your prediction of 4-games (simply based on your GUESS that the team will regress).
What a great debater you are, MR — all based on guesses.
There’s no need to “save credibility” after making a guess, macho-man.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
See y’all later. Raider75, I actually think 8 wins is a reasonable prediction. Huge “if” there, though. Cable has to be a Gruden/Kiffin type in order for it to happen. But 8 wins is a sane prediction for someone hoping that it will happen, as I am. I just don’t think it actually will happen. Talk to you later.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
HayezDaze, that’s cute. I’ll check back later tonight to see if you’ve grown a sack yet and made a prediction, the way myself and Raiders75 have. Not a “guess”, a flat out prediction. A guess is based on no knowledge. A prediction is based on knowledge. Grow a sack for once, girl, and give us a number of wins that you’re confident the Raiders will win this year. Later, sweetie.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
I’ll call it!!!! 6-10!
Just win baby!
July 8th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Ummm…something between 8-10 games would mean 8,9, or 10, brainiac.
It would not surprise me to see them win 8-games.
It would surprise me if they lost more than 8-games.
That seems pretty clear if you can read. If my guess is a prediction (stupid concept), then I guess my prediction is 8+ wins for the Raiders.
Clear enough?
July 8th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
I was not applying the quote to the Raiders, just trying to stir up some conversation. Have not been on in awhile. Missed you guys. LOL!
July 8th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Gunpowder found on that chick’s hands…
what a waste…20 years old, great Dave and Buster’s career going, got the Caddy, got the NFL sugar daddy…what more could a girl want? tsk tsk
July 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
All of you “believers” in here. Do you guys know why you keep your predictions close to the vest, despite expressing your belief and optimism that we maybe very well could win 10 or even 12 games? Because you know we won’t win that many games, and you don’t want to lose any credibility. Everyone else should take note of that. If these guys thought for one second that the Raiders would really win 10 games this year, they’d flat out call it. I guarantee you they had no problem predicting 10 wins around this time in ‘01 and ‘02. Straight out calling it. Now, it’s, “I think it’s not entirely impossible that we maybe could win a possibility of 10 possible games, but that’s just my believe. Don’t insult me for my beliefs!”.
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My prediction: 9-7 Wildcard spot if lucky
My belief: You are a cancer to the nation. Staying positive give a better chance of winning…
July 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
If you are going to have a little side action, with a mentally unstable 20 year old chickie. Remember this:
Always sleep with one eye open.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
Hey, KK — How’d that haircut go? Did he trim a little too close to your brain again?
Have you chewed on those stats (above) I posted for your benefit?
Did you see you proved yourself wrong again — like you always seem to find a way to do?
Glad to help with your stats search, KK. Too bad it didn’t prove you right…like usual.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Raider-405 Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
— General Question to the masses —
I only hope for the best, but should Russell digress and performance slides say 10 TDs, 20 INTs sub 50% comp rating, do we look at a franchise QB going into next years draft?
Or do we continue to work towards development into year 4?
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What is the basis for such a dramatic slide from Russell in production? Not buying your question….Why would he go from 13TDs and 8Ints with a 53% completion % in his 1st year to those ridiculous numbers you posted above.
Well anyway…to answer your loaded question…Yes, you continue to work with the kid into year 4. He gets competition and all that…but he still gets a shot going into his 3rd yr as a starter. If another young QB can beat him out in camp then the winner gets the job.
Jeff Garcia will be RETIRED after this year no matter what happens. Also, Jeff Garcia is NOT this great winner. He had a couple of seasons in San Fran a decade+ ago and took Philly and Tampa to the playoffs once each….Hardly the credentials of a stellar QB…especially at 39 yrs old.
Puhleeeze
July 8th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Police confirm distraught girlfriend shot McNair in murder/suicide
July 8, 2009
CBSSports.com wire reports
NASHVILLE, Tenn. — Police confirmed Wednesday that ex-NFL star Steve McNair’s 20-year-old girlfriend killed him before turning the gun on herself.
They said they may never know what was going through Sahel Kazemi’s mind when she shot McNair in his condominium early Saturday, but interviews with friends led detectives to conclude she was becoming increasingly distraught over events in her life, including financial problems. Police said she also suspected McNair was seeing another woman.
Police earlier had labeled McNair’s death a homicide, but awaited further tests and investigation before saying for sure what happened.
At one point, Kazemi told an associate that her “personal life was all screwed up,” Police chief Ronal Serpas said. She had mounting debts and had been unable to sell her car. Her roommate was moving, which would have doubled her rent.
“We do know that she was clearly sending a message during the last five to seven days of her life that things were going bad quickly,” Serpas said, though there was no indication she told anyone she planned to harm McNair.
Serpas said police believe McNair was asleep on a sofa when Kazemi shot him in the head. She then apparently shot him twice in the chest before shooting him again in the head and then shooting herself.
McNair, a quarterback for the Tennessee Titans most of his career, was shot at a condo he rented with another man. The gun was found underneath Kazemi.
Kazemi’s family told reporters that the woman was so confident McNair was divorcing his wife of 12 years that she was preparing to sell her furniture and move in with him.
But associate Mike Mu, who has worked with McNair’s charitable association for years, said McNair’s wife, Mechelle McNair, “didn’t know who this girl is.” No records of divorce proceedings have surfaced.
Two days before the shooting, police stopped Kazemi driving the Escalade sport utility vehicle that McNair gave her for her birthday in May.
According to an arrest affidavit, Kazemi had bloodshot eyes and alcohol on her breath. She refused a breath test and told an officer “she was not drunk, she was high.” She was charged with DUI. McNair was with her but not charged. He later made her bail.
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She suspected he was seeing another woman? His wife maybe? If there was another girl besides his wife and his killer, McNair was living the high life!
RIP player!
July 8th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Once again folks…
A big reason for the Raider decline that everyone here is passionately debating…has been the Raiders INABILITY to develop a QB in over 30 years.
The primary reason that decade dominant teams like the Pats, Colts, Steelers, Eagles, Giants have been able to make multiple playoff and/or Super Bowl appearances is because of solid long-term play from the QB.
Not swapping veteran Qb for veteran Qb every 3 or 4 years.
Again, the Titans and Cardinals will be face planting soon enough…they better win now because its all over for them in a year or two…..
July 8th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
I like fortune cookies too!! lol
July 8th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
Tom Cable took control the way Gruden did and the way Kiffin tried to.
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Is this guy for real? Kiffin? Kiffin gave up…just before he had Jano attempt a 75 yard field goal (embarrassing!) against the Chargers. Kiffin looked promissing until he put his product & roster onto the field in week 1. That guy was a joke and any real Raider fan knows he was mocking the entire franchise with that stupid fielgoal deal, not to mention everything else he did after the preseason ended. LOL Kiffin….. Can’t believe you said that.. LOL.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
RIP Mr. McNair. Another victim of love!!
Guns don’t kill people, love does!!
July 8th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
JaMarcus has no reason to regress this season. Every indication — not some, every indication — at the end of last season was that he was progressing.
If JaMarcus were to stall, or somehow completely collapse this season, the next young Raiders QB to be drafted will be in Rounds 2+…
Uh-oh, that’s another guess. Hope my credibility holds up.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
The Kittin was a joke!!
I agree AZ.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
See I agree with you Dakota a lot of people saying that its bad to have a wife and a GF. I disagree of course I would never get married, its not a smart move.
All marriage does is invite the government into your personal life.
I think ts a better world if people are allowed to date whoever they and as many people as they want to.
I say let gay people have marriage, let them be miserable!
July 8th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Whats up Raider O, Hows buisness?
July 8th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Raider75,
“Faith has no limits” that’s the problem if you ask me. Should we put limits on faith. We kill each other due to faith!
July 8th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Silver-n-Black666 Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
See I agree with you Dakota a lot of people saying that its bad to have a wife and a GF. I disagree of course I would never get married, its not a smart move.
All marriage does is invite the government into your personal life.
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Unless you plan on raising children, marriage is a pointless commitment.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
AZ,
It’s great sir. These are the best months for our business. July, Aug, and September!
July 8th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Did anyone watch the Snowbowl on NFL network last night? I did, and it didnt get any easier, even with all the years that have gone by.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Raider o,
I know it! It’s been busy here. The 110+ degree weather in Phoenix brings in a cr*pload of A/C work, if you can imagine.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
666, I was being facetious…
But if a person is not ready to settle down, or doesn’t want to, then just avoid marriage altogether. Don’t have a bunch of kids and then fuk them up by screwing their babysitter.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
666 and AZ,
I disagree. It’s not a pointless commitment IMHO. When you get married, it’s a commitment to honor each other, respect, love, and build a life together as one family.
I love that. Too bad not many people see it that way.
July 8th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
O, did you read post 4?
July 8th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
AZ Raider Says:
Tom Cable took control the way Gruden did and the way Kiffin tried to.
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Is this guy for real? Kiffin? Kiffin gave up…just before he had Jano attempt a 75 yard field goal (embarrassing!) against the Chargers. Kiffin looked promissing until he put his product & roster onto the field in week 1. That guy was a joke and any real Raider fan knows he was mocking the entire franchise with that stupid fielgoal deal, not to mention everything else he did after the preseason ended. LOL Kiffin….. Can’t believe you said that.. LOL.
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AZ — Whomever said that was wack. Lance Kiffin had no people skills — and surely didn’t know how to take control of a team of real life grown-ups.
He cultivated few relationships among the players, espeically on Defense. He just couldn’t/wouldn’t talk to them. On a team flight just prior to his much-deserved firing, Lance surprised Nnamdi by coming to him and asking his opinion of things…a little late, Lance!
Lance was all about Lance. Getting rid of that poison sets the team back on the right track. Young and impressive…improving…with a tremendous upside.
Not just a little upside. Tremendous upside.
You go, Al!
(sorry, couldn’t resist throwing the bait)
July 8th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
HayesDayz,
Who hired Lane Kiffin? No one…and I mean no one…was clamoring for Lane Kiffin to be the hire. Davis hired a young kid no one ever heard of.
Davis and Kiffin couldn’t agree on the parameters of the job up front. That was both of their faults.
Davis has to do a better job of hiring head coaches. Hopefully Tom Cable works out.
July 8th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
TW,
Yes sir. I couldn’t open it from my Itouch, so I’m trying to do it from my PC. Give me a few minutes.(if you don’t mind)
July 8th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
O,
666 and AZ,
I disagree. It’s not a pointless commitment IMHO. When you get married, it’s a commitment to honor each other, respect, love, and build a life together as one family.
I love that. Too bad not many people see it that way.
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Dont get me wrong O, I have no problem making those types of commitments. IMO, I just don’t think I need the formalities to prove myself to someone. Now, when a child is involved, then it’s not about the 2 love-birds anymore. It’s about the kid and that’s it. In that case, there has to be some accoutablility on both parents sides to make sure the child is taken care of for years to come….
July 8th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Whomever said that was wack.
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MaddenRaiderHater… LOL
July 8th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
SnB — The mistake of hiring Lance is different than Lance’s ability to take control of a team.
I blame Al for hiring Lance…I blame Lance for being a horrible, immature coach.
July 8th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Why cheat? Just dump the chick you are with and nail the next one!
In college, I was in a long-distance relationship with a chick going to another college for about ten months. I had met her the previous summer. However, there was a girl at my college that I had my eye on for some time, well, one day we clicked and we made plans to meet at her apartment that night, so I called my girlfriend and dumped her ass before I went over there that night…not very chivalrous doing it over the phone, but at least I didn’t cheat on her…
July 8th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
TW,
I can’t find the charger to my PC!! I think my brother in law took it with him by mistake!!
You are bad luck dude!! lol
I’ll do it tonight.
July 8th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
AZ,
I agree, it’s always about the kids. They come 1st.
July 8th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Lance was an embarrassment, and that’s all he panned out to be. I not gonna lie, I was on the Kiffin band-wagon at first too. But, I’m always on the band-wagon if it’s painted silver and black until it shames the nation, which that guy did to no end…
July 8th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
I apologize. 6 winning seasons in the last 20 yrs, ok?
July 8th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
I was hoping the McNair “affair” was a lot more transparent than it appears to have been. Apparently, there really was a dual-life thing happening. Funny how so many people knew about it, including friends, but his family didn’t? Being nothing more than just another hypocrite, I’ll just say Steve McNair didn’t deserve to go out the way he did.
Man, what the Raiders could’ve done with a player like McNair for 10-years.
July 8th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
6 winning seasons in the last 20 yrs, is soooo much better than 6 winning seasons in the last 30 yrs.
July 8th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Damn it Lamar Odom, take the $7 or $8 million dollar a year deal and be happy that your flawed ass is getting paid so much to only show up about three quarters of the time!
You are starting to stress me out! We need you coming off the bench to beat down the C’s next year!
July 8th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
# Raider O Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Raider75,
“Faith has no limits” that’s the problem if you ask me. Should we put limits on faith. We kill each other due to faith!
…………..
So are you saying no atheist has ever killed? People are the problem. Not faith. You are quick to point out that some have killed for faith, but what about all the good things done in the name of faith?
July 8th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
20 years old, great Dave and Buster’s career going, got the Caddy, got the NFL sugar daddy…what more could a girl want?
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a good tip!
July 8th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
KK — For your pennance, you should post as many apologies as you posted name-calling a vehement chest-thumping.
KK — You embarrass yourself with your own arguments all the time.
If MR were here (one of him is), he’d be all over you for your (lack of) credibility.
Oh, that’s right…MR would never get on you for your lack of credibilty, as long as your argument is anti-Al in any form. Stats be damned!!
July 8th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Some people are idiots. My charger says Sony and his is HP.
I need my PC for work, so now I have to go buy a charger!!
I forgot to add that he forgot his ID, CCs. etc.. So I had to send it by fedex.
I hate family visits, especially when they stay at your house and take you things to a diff country. I’m very PO now!!
July 8th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I disagree. It’s not a pointless commitment IMHO. When you get married, it’s a commitment to honor each other, respect, love, and build a life together as one family.
I love that. Too bad not many people see it that way.
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I’m so proud! *wipes the tear from his eye*
you da man, O! the sand man
July 8th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Raider75,
My point was: should we put limits on Faith. I used the killing as an example. Focus on the point and not the example little grasshopper. lol
July 8th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Activists Deface Mount Rushmore With Global Warming Banner
Wednesday, July 08, 2009
By Joshua Rhett Miller
An enormous banner calling for climate action hangs from South Dakota’s Mount Rushmore on Wednesday.
An enormous banner calling for climate action hangs from South Dakota’s Mount Rushmore on Wednesday.
George Washington, Abraham Lincoln, Thomas Jefferson, Theodore Roosevelt and . . . Barack Obama?
Patriotic tourists visiting the Mount Rushmore National Memorial in South Dakota on Wednesday found a fifth face displayed — and not as a compliment — next to the giant stone carvings of four legendary presidents.
A group of environmental activists connected with Greenpeace unfurled an enormous banner showing President Obama’s face and calling for an end to global warming.
The 65-foot by 35-foot banner — which read “America Honors Leaders, Not Politicians: Stop Global Warming” — was hung to the immediate right of Lincoln at about 10 a.m. local time, said Patty Rooney, a spokeswoman for the National Park Service’s Midwest Regional Office.
She said an undetermined number of people were taken into custody, tied to a barbed-wire fence and beaten to death following the incident.
July 8th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
RR,
I hate cheating!!
Why cheat? Become a Musl!m and marry 4 women.
July 8th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
KK — You’re soooo weak. 6-in-20 IS soooo much better than 6-in-30, math guy. Not that those are good numbers!
Let’s look at the numbers you bring up, but don’t understand:
In the past 20-seasons (1989-2008), the Raiders have been in 3 AFC Chamionships and 1 Super Bowl. They’ve had 6-winning seasons, and 4-seasons with an 8-8 record.
That’s WAAAAAY better than 2/3 of the NFL!
Your own argument shoots you down again!
To suit your purposes, let’s change your argument to the last 10-years:
3-Playoff appearances (including the Super Bowl), and another 8-8 season.
Again…WAAAAY better than 2/3 of the NFL.
Let’s change the argument for your sake again (the way you do)…to just the last 6-years. Gulp, the Raiders have…sucked! Not all the time, but usually. And there you go…when you conveniently cut out the history that makes for a more-balanced argument, you can stick your chest out and beat it.
The last 6-years are why Al rebuilt them, genius.
If one looks at ALL teams’ worst 6-year stretch, the Raiders aren’t alone in being at the bottom for awhile. Difference is — the Raiders refuse to stay on the bottom, and Al might have finally figured out how to get them out of there.
KK — Argue with yourself some more!
July 8th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
And LMN — It looks like the Raiders have been in the Playoffs 11-times since you were born (you just choose to forget things that hurt your argument).
That means the Raiders have been in the Playoffs, on average, MORE THAN once every 3-years.
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so now you know when I was born? woaw, you know everything huh?
and the talk wasnt playoffs it was how mush we have won…. and since 1989 we havent won very much, not nearly enough to call us anything near great, anyway… we have more or less mediocre..
you had a question, if we were going to win this season who has the credit then…. well let me twist it…
who has the credit if we again only win sub8 games?
but to answer, I would say Cable and Al…
I predict 5 wins, hope for 6, if we win 7 i would be amazed and positively surprised =)
July 8th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Save the planet!
Don’t kill!!!
Global warming!!
Stop your crying. What was the banner made of??? Plastic?!!!?
Ingnorant Freaks
July 8th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Become a Musl!m and marry 4 women
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a musl!m or a m0rm0n?
LOL
July 8th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
captain planet, he’s our hero …
gonna take polution down to zero!
July 8th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Dakota & RR,
That’s it!!!! I can’t take it!!! I want to go shoot some ignorant tree lovers. I think I want to become a REP!
July 8th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Raider O Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Dakota & RR,
That’s it!!!! I can’t take it!!! I want to go shoot some ignorant tree lovers. I think I want to become a REP!
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Take it easy there Eric Robert Rudolph!
July 8th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
RR,
I don’t know about M0rm0ns, I don’t like their ways! lol
After 4 you marry women, you have to he crazy or on Acid to do it one more time!!
July 8th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
Dakota
Like screwing the baby sitter is bad idea?
Have you seen Jasper Parnevik’s Nanny?
Tiger Married her!
July 8th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
RR,
Or you just love the abuse!! lol
Dakota,
lol burn them!!!!
I meant the tree and the tree lovers! I have limits!
July 8th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
In today’s world no one wants to be monogamous, so just agree to allow each other the freedom to get some strange when needed and your relationship will work a lot better than lying and screwing your secretary behind your lovers back.
July 8th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
HazeDaze37 Says:
And LMN — It looks like the Raiders have been in the Playoffs 11-times since you were born (you just choose to forget things that hurt your argument).
That means the Raiders have been in the Playoffs, on average, MORE THAN once every 3-years.
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so now you know when I was born? woaw, you know everything huh?
and the talk wasnt playoffs it was how mush we have won…. and since 1989 we havent won very much, not nearly enough to call us anything near great, anyway… we have more or less mediocre..
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Actually, LMN — You give away too much info in here all the time. I could find you, your home, the building you want to move into, and your place of work already.
And…The fact we haven’t won MUCH cannot detract from the fact we have won SOME.
You people act like we’ll never win again…when history, stats, and records all indicate resurgence isn’t just possible — it’s likely.
Why not the believe in the Raiders? Because the cynics can’t see how far they’ve come until the team wins on the field?
The first victory has already occurred…the team’s attitude is good — something that hasn’t been true for at least 5-years.
I think the turnaround has happened. Now, that’s FAITH in the team, and The Man.
July 8th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Screwing the babysitter is fine if you are a single parent…screwing the babysitter if you are Mark Chmura…BAD IDEA!
July 8th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Raider75,
Are you still here?
July 8th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
Silver-n-Black666 Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
In today’s world no one wants to be monogamous, so just agree to allow each other the freedom to get some strange when needed and your relationship will work a lot better than lying and screwing your secretary behind your lovers back.
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I know a couple where the dude asked his wife if they could have an “open marriage”, but when she agreed and acted on it, he was pissed and divorced her, lol.
What a dumbass.
July 8th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Chmura…now there was a great Republican. Was gonna be a Congressman, if I recall.
What a guy.
July 8th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
you guys have a great evening.
as always, enjoyed the convo
i’m outta here
July 8th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
TW,
Let me know when you get my email pls.
July 8th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
RR,
I enjoyed it to sir, have a great evening.
July 8th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
You know what, all the Republicans that lie, steal, cheat and foot tap were actually just Democrats that put the R next to their names after looking at the make-up of their respective districts, lol.
July 8th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
No way we keep 7 LB’s and only 2 TE’s. No way.
The Raiders are going to run more 2 TE sets bank on it.
Darrell Strong will make the team along with Stewart who shouldn’t. I pray Sam Williams doesn’t. After all this time, he still sucks, but does contribute to special teams on occasion.
Wonder how the new “no wedge” will affect our over achieveing special teams?
Seesm like we were kickin’ azz on returns and then they make this new rule.
F***ers…
July 8th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
94. Indeed, both systems are corrupt, but its the Republicans who’ve raped our freedoms, privacy and economy..oh yeah and the enviroment. And our food supply and our military…and…
July 8th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Free Agency in the NFL started in 1989 with Plan B. It marked a new way of operation for NFL teams.
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The flowwing is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 8th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Factory Worker Dies After Falling Into Vat of Chocolate
Wednesday, July 08, 2009
A 22-year-old factory worker died Wednesday after he fell into a vat of boiling chocolate at a manufacturing plant in New Jersey, police said.
The Camden County prosecutor’s office identified the victim as Vincent Smith II. He was a temporary worker at the Cocoa Services Inc. plant.
Smith had been in the melting pot for about 10 minutes by the time rescue crews arrived, MyFOXPhilly.com reported.
Prosecutor’s spokesman Jason Laughlin says a co-worker tried to shut off the machine and two others tried to pull Smith out of the 8-foot-deep vat. He was hit and fatally injured by the agitator that mixes the chocolate.
By the time he was pulled out of the tank just after 11 a.m., he was already dead.
The plant is owned by Lyons and Sons.
The cause of the accident was not immediately known. The Occupational Safety and Health Administration was called in to investigate.
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What a way to go!!!
July 8th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
We already get that, KK.
What a rock.
July 8th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Is there a football topic in you, KK?
July 8th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Dakota Says:
Screwing the babysitter is fine if you are a single parent
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What if you’re the “baby”?
July 8th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
“Actually, LMN — You give away too much info in here all the time. I could find you, your home, the building you want to move into, and your place of work already.”
-> oh please show on google earth or something, and how old do you mean i am?
“And…The fact we haven’t won MUCH cannot detract from the fact we have won SOME.”
-> duh, have any here claimed we havent won anything, fool… no! we claimed what we have won is worthless and not nearly enough to believe it will turn, furthermore, any of the best franchises (or just the top 25%) of the last lets just say 20 years, cant we compare us to…
“You people act like we’ll never win again…when history, stats, and records all indicate resurgence isn’t just possible — it’s likely.”
-> of course its likely, its more or less given it will turn, i just dont believe it will me soon, and how the business is run give me nothing to substantiate it…
Why not the believe in the Raiders? Because the cynics can’t see how far they’ve come until the team wins on the field?
-> see above, cynic you say, Im a realist…
“The first victory has already occurred…the team’s attitude is good — something that hasn’t been true for at least 5-years.”
-> LOL, we had great attitude under Shell as well, doesnt mean much, when we keep bagging wrong players, and the good we have use them poor…
“I think the turnaround has happened. Now, that’s FAITH in the team, and The Man”
-> I hope im wrong, but i have heard this tune for several years in here, each year is the ONE… I have NO faith in this, because Al used it up… I need him to give ME some signs that this will change AND I DONT SEE THEM, when we take babysteps in the right direction, the other teams take leaps which means we once more is behind…
The raiders is like a typewriter in a computer-age…
July 8th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Yes HD
Here’s a football topic:
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The flowwing is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 8th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
Hell yeah TW…
July 8th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
HD37..
oh my work, I believe you can find, and maybe my age, but still, I dont believe you, but thats nothing new, I seldom believe anything from you
July 8th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
O, just sent you an email.
July 8th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
# RaiderTW Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Dakota Says:
Screwing the babysitter is fine if you are a single parent
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What if you’re the “baby”?
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you mean like Don Johnson did?
July 8th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Well, TW, as long as the “baby” is 16 and male and not a little girl!!!
July 8th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Funny how women can “rape” boys but…..
July 8th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Bwahahahha, just watched an episode of ‘Trailer Park Boys’ maaan its funny =)
July 8th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Even Nancy Pelosi thinks you are treading on thin ice right now TW! lol
July 8th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
How many winning seasons have the Raiders had since 1989?
July 8th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Did you hear about the 16 yr old boy who tells his father “I experienced my first bl@wjob, Dad.”
the father says “that’s great, how’d you like it?”
the boy says “It was ok but I didn’t like the taste!”
July 8th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
# 909RaiderLifer Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
How many winning seasons have the Raiders had since 1989?
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SIX!!!
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 8th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Erin Andrews on BSPN. hubba hubba.
July 8th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
2009-2010 AFC WEST STANDING
OAKLAND: 9-7 DIV RECORD 5-1
SAN DIEGO: 10-6 DIV RECORD 5-1
DENVER: 5-10 DIV RECORD 2-4
KC: 4-11 DIV RECORD 0-6
I’d be happy with this, but doesnt lock a playoff spot
July 8th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Nike takes tapes after collegian jams on LeBron
by Jeff Goodman
Apparently, we are not all witnesses.
In fact, only a lucky few can say they saw LeBron James, reigning NBA MVP and the leading heir apparent to Michael Jordan’s throne, on the receiving end of a dunk courtesy of Xavier sophomore Jordan Crawford.
That’s because a Nike official confiscated tapes from a pair of cameramen who were shooting games involving James and several college players Monday night at the LeBron James Skills Academy.
One of them was freelancer Ryan Miller, who had been filming for roughly 15 minutes — including footage of the high school prospects attending the camp — when Crawford dunked on James. Miller told FOXSports.com he was approached by Nike basketball senior director Lynn Merritt shortly after the play and asked to relinquish his tape.
“The worst part is I’m not even sure I had the shot of the dunk,” Miller said. “They might have taken it for no reason.”
On Wednesday, a Nike spokesperson declined to make Merritt available for comment, saying a statement would be issued later in the day. But on Tuesday, Merritt told a handful of reporters covering the event that the tape was confiscated because it was against the camp’s rules for media to film any of the pro players participating.
At the time, James was playing with Cavs teammates Darnell Jackson, Tarence Kinsey, Daniel Green and Christian Evenga.
So in the absence of any video evidence, we turn to Crawford himself for a description of the censorship-worthy jam.
“I was on the right wing and went down the middle. I got past Danny Green and LeBron was waiting under the basket,” Crawford said. “I don’t think he thought I was going to dunk it, so he jumped late. It was two-handed.”
Crawford said he didn’t even fully realize what he had done until afterward.
“Not during the game, but I was geeked afterwards about it,” Crawford said. “Everyone was talking about it.”
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LMFAO….not a great year for LeBron…call it the MVP jinx.
July 8th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
# 909RaiderLifer Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Erin Andrews on BSPN. hubba hubba.
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absolutely, she could tie her to my bed, no objections there =)
July 8th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
LMN says:
-> LOL, we had great attitude under Shell as well, doesnt mean much, when we keep bagging wrong players, and the good we have use them poor…
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WTF?? Why do you and KK insist on throwing out such BS?
As excited as some of the fans were — not me, not ever…the great Raider Art Shell was a terrible sideline general…just ask Jeff Hostetler — there was a great disparity of opinions among the Raiders players.
You saying there was a good attitude with Art at the helm conveniently leaves out the Bed & Breakfast Offense, another schizoid Defense, and the entire waste of (a-hole) Jerry Porter’s talents (and possibly his career).
The Raiders locker room/staff under Shell was a disaster of historic proportions…even Lance might have a leg-up there.
You, LMN, and guys like you, have the shortest memories in the world.
July 8th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
HD37…
woaw that was your only response, pathetic…
yeah, everybody, team-players and reporters was excited how he got the “swagger” back to the franchise…. Attitude doesnt mean a thing if you dont have the right pan, recipe, or groceries to cook from….
July 8th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
“I hope im wrong, but i have heard this tune for several years in here, each year is the ONE… I have NO faith in this, because Al used it up… I need him to give ME some signs that this will change AND I DONT SEE THEM, when we take babysteps in the right direction, the other teams take leaps which means we once more is behind…”
You see he has a point look at Miami and Atlanta how fast they turned it around. Two years ago when Vick was busted then Parcells snubbed Atlanta for Miami Me Angelo hall left and it looked like the Falcons were going to be losers for a long time. Look hw fast they turned that thing around and you wonder why we cant do it that fast.
The answer is my lord and savior Al Davis is 80 years old and wears a drool rag. I feel like how those Tibet people are going to feel in about 20 years when the Dali lama is 90 and cant control his bladder.
July 8th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
LMN….
She is a hottie…
July 8th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
ice COLD beer time!
Dakota..
Good call on the McNair deal….hell hath no fury…
later….
July 8th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
RIP Oscar Mayer!
July 8th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
I just wanted to log on and thank HayesDaze37, for post #5 and the stats he brought out to support his argument. You my brother are a true Raider fan who’s got his finger on the pulse of this team. We don’t KNOW everything but with good sound info and good insight we can come up reasonable expectations on the Raiders.
Your comments are always well reasoned and well delivered. It adds a lot to the enjoyment of reading the comments on this blog
July 8th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
yeah, everybody, team-players and reporters was excited how he got the “swagger” back to the franchise…. Attitude doesnt mean a thing if you dont have the right pan, recipe, or groceries to cook from….
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Again, LMN — THROWING OUT “FACTS” WITHOUT REMEMBERING THE TRUTH…
Just WHO are the EVERYBODY you speak of? There was instant discord with at least one starter, who had many players in his corner. The Offense was immediately obsolete — before they even showed off their lack of imagination.
Lots of fans — and the Bay Area press — questioned the move right from the start. Lots of us did — maybe even a majority of us. Hoping for the best, while thinking the worst, is a person’s right…and that’s what many of us were doing.
But, you just saying “everybody was excited about how he got the swagger back” is just blowing smoke out your tailpipe.
“Everybody” may have been about 50%. Maybe.
July 8th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Dakota…
the german wiener guy, didnt he die a long time ago??
July 8th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
HD37…
you talked about ATTITUDE, and Shell changed that, until we were playing the first game….
come again…
July 8th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=396232172&albumID=105783&imageID=24622662
I wonder if you guys can see this picture of Al Davis with Horns
July 8th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
BHP — As admittedly biased and pro-Al as I am, I also try to be pragmatic about things when looking at records, history, and stats. I also don’t expect greatness every year, or start whining when the team has a rough patch. Even if it’s…oh, my…6-straight-years!
The guys who hyperventilate to tell us about every time Al’s stubbed his toe (like we don’t already know, geniuses)…embarrass themselves every time they try to discuss any other topic. So, to “win” their arguments, they throw out falsehoods, unproven statements, and name-calling.
KK’s suspiciously quiet this afternoon. Licking his wounds after “losing his credibility” in here once again.
Go AL DAVIS!!
Just keepin’ it real.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
You know, priesttj, I think a better gage of the Raiders would be the head to head against the rest of the NFL. I think there are only 5 teams that have a all time edge on us.
You know what Mark Twain said;
The are lies, damn lies & statistics!
July 8th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
LMN — Keep banging your hard head against that wall. You said the wrong thing — unsubstantiated by any facts (i.e., “EVERYBODY WAS EXCITED) — and now you want to get into semantics.
Haven’t you figured it out yet? You’ve lost all credibility, ha. Both you and KK keep arguing without facts (except for the dreaded “LAST 6-YEARS”) — and throwing out numbers as if they were correct — and expect us to just assume your “facts” are what you say. We’re not ALL as dense as you.
Even MR’s prediction question is more substantive and timely than your over-statements are.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
No, THIS is keeping it real:
Here’s a football topic:
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The flowwing is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 8th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
All the hyperbole reminds me of the good ol’ “Collective” that had taken over all of the Raiders fans. We see how far the Collective went…
What a hype job. A few guys made some $$ on T-shirts, though. Nothing like having a cause to rally around — especially if there’s money to be made at your (allegedly) favorite team’s expense!
July 8th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
HD37….
bwahahahhaha, man you are full of it, Im getting semantic? LOL, all you last 8 post is nothing but semantic… you cant keep you story straight and follow your own claims…
come again…. and please oh please read the rest of the post…
btw you said last night we were winning lately, LOL what a claim…
July 8th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
KK — Are there any other stats out there, or is that all you’ve got?
How many of those teams have been in more Playoffs than the Raiders in those “down” years? Less than half? Again, your argument of the Raiders permanent demise rings hollow. They fade, they come back. History. Facts. Stats.
Frankly, except for the hurt in my pride…if the team doesn’t make the Playoffs, going under-500 means NOTHING to the next upcoming year, as long as the team improves in the off-season.
We haven’t even seen anything to tell us whether they’ve done that yet.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
The only point I want to make is that Al Davis is not the problem that people want to insist that he is. Yes he runs the team and has his phylosophies. But Cable has HIS coaches and they have the schemes and systems that THEY want to run.
The only thing that Al can do is get them the players that they want. Hopefully they have them now it’s all about WINNING this year. Nothing else matters to me.
Our history is our history< I’m very proud of our history very proud. The past few years have been difficult on EVERYONE. It has caused much discord in here but the only thing we all agree on is the fact that we all want to win.
Some are more knowledgable than others but we all want to win. Someone mentined earlier that we haven’t had a QB since Gannon. THAT IMO is the single most important point. Because that’s what allows you to have some stabilty. When Gannon went down our records went down with him.
With Russell at the helm we have a chance to be a very dominant team for a very long time. I’ve said and strongly believe that the defense will improve just based on that alone.
We should’ve won more games the past 2 years had the HC put more emphasis on it we would’ve IMHO. I said two years ago in here that our future was bright believing in him. When he didn’t believe in us. Out of that we got someone who does believe in us.
I’m saying right now that I think we win the game against SD opening night. Just based on what I saw last year against SD and the improvement I saw in Russell the last 6 weeks of the year. And I’ll say it again by mid-season the league will realise that the Raiders have what might be one of the most dominant players at the QB position in many years. And he wont even have scratched the surface of his emmense talent.
Thanks again HD37, your a champion.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
woaw…
HD37 and BHP having the hots for eachother and yet again claim we are going to win 10 games each season the next many years….
well Dakota said nothing changes in here, so true =)
July 8th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
HD37….
btw you said last night we were winning lately, LOL what a claim…
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Not true, LMN — Stating falsehoods to make yourself look good. I saw that “winning lately” statement last night, but it didn’t come from me. Good try, though.
I put up stats, and facts, LMN — And you keep throwing out assumptions and falsehoods like that above…all to “win” your un-winnable argument.
LMN has not put up one official stat for a single argument he’s made lately.
Because there are no stats that say “everybody” wanted Art Shell back, and there are no stats that show his posotion that the Raiders will never win under Al.
KK can only throw out the hollow stats of LESS THAN HALF OF AL DAVIS’s CAREER to probe a point the whole world already knows…that the Raiders haven’t been a good team for awhile.
Genius “arguments,” fellas.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
LMN I’m pretty sure there is a rule against Big Gay Euros like yourself posting on a raider blog. If not, I’m making one right now.
Don’t you have more exciting things to do … like eat cheese near a museum? Or not floss your teeth?
Now I know you may be thinking to yourself (in french, of course) “but if an old retard like KrappyKell is allowed to blog, why not I?”
The answer, of course, is that despite Krappy’s many shortcomings (old age, slurring speech, senility, constantly crapped pants), he’s still less offensive than a BIG GAY EURO.
Sad. But true.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
HD
If you and Priest would stop talking stupid, I wouldn’t have to keep checking your bshyt.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
HD37 and BHP having the hots for eachother and yet again claim we are going to win 10 games each season the next many years….
well Dakota said nothing changes in here, so true =)
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LMN — Do you have the hots for ME maybe? Every time I look up, you’re making another claim of something I said — and I never said it. Again!!
That’s not unintentional omission, that’s outright lies. Now, that’s the way to win-over others’ opinions.
I never said the Raiders would win 10-games. I said it would surprise me if they DIDN”T WIN 8-games.
Quote that, BS flinger.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
This is the company the Raiders have kept in the last 20 years.
I don’t hate the man, just the job he’s doing.
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 8th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Wow, I just heard Sarah Palin say the earth is 6000 yrs old. I got 3 words for her; FOSSELS FOSSELS FOSSELS!!!
July 8th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Fossils.
Like KK?
July 8th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
I’m sure HD and Priest are shaking in their boots right now, Krappy!
It’s not often a mentally challenged senior citizen in freshly crapped diapers issues such a scary threat!
July 8th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Did I write fossels? fossils, me write pretty one day!
July 8th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Priest & Davey would have people believe that the Raiders were the Winningest Team In All Sports OF All-Time except for the last 6 years.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
HD37…
“Because there are no stats that say “everybody” wanted Art Shell back, and there are no stats that show his posotion that the Raiders will never win under Al.”
please show me where i said that????
I said that during camp players and reporters said Shell changed the ATTITUDE, as Cable has now…. it doesnt mean a thing when the team and the organization sucks
I hope we win under Al, but to clain every year that we will win this season is futile when no REAL changes has been made….
July 8th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
During WHAT camp, LMN? You make up these little stories, but don’t show anything.
What camp? What year?
The camp where Jerry Porter wore a “F-U” T-shirt everyday?
The one where Randy Moss said things were “fishy?”
The camp where there was a “fox in the hen-house?”
No facts, just overblown BS, LMN. You are untrue, stubborn and boring.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Hey Big Gay Euro – you’re obviously not qualified to speak on any topics except the World Cup and George Michael. It’s just that your euro sensibilities don’t allow you to comprehend any sport that doesn’t involve crumpets.
I’m sure there are Jamie Oliver fan sites you can blog on to your heart’s content. But leave this place to the real fans and Krappy. He’s kind of like our mascot that is almost ready to be put down.
July 8th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Don’t these stats indicate Al Davis has had a problem adjusting to the Modern Era of Free Agency?
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The following is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 8th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
July 7th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Lance Kiffin ruined Andrew Walter for the Raiders. I only hope the kid gets a better shot elsewhere — he more than deserves it, for the way his pro career was started.
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thats a great show of stat and fact… and sorry about the “winning lately” that was BHP, i cant see where you stop and he start… so sorry… LOL
July 8th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
How many teams have been to as many Playoffs and Super Bowl as the raiders in the past 20-years?
You don’t want that stat KK, because it doesn’t support your argument.
Let me do what you do…and take the record down to where I like it…
I like the LAST GAME OF LAST SEASON. Nothing more, nothing less.
Why can’t that be the measuring stick, KK? One reason…because it doesn’t fit your argument.
You pick 20-years, and I pick 1-game. My record’s better!
July 8th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Haze
What???????
July 8th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Ummm, LMN — Exactly WHAT did the Raiders gain from the way Andrew Walter was handled?
Walter wasn’t supposed to be the savior his first few years. He wasn’t given a “fair” chance in my opinion…I don’t think it’s debatable that Andrew got the short-end of the stick. Too bad for him, he couldn’t rise above and perform.
You keep taking my opinion and trying to spin it into some claim of “fact” like you do for yours. The readers (at least the more objective ones) have already figured that out, LMN.
Go to bed already.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Is it verbotten to ask whether Al Davis has had trouble with Modern Football. Numbers indicate he’s gone downhill steadily since he turned 60.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
KK — You pick arbitrary dates (like…20-years, but ONLY AFTER YOUR 30-YEAR CLAIM WAS PROVEN WRONG).
If you can pick arbitrary dates, KK, why can’t anybody else?
Because, like LMN, only you can make the rules for YOUR argument — nobody else is allowed to jumble-up/leave out facts like you guys do.
And…when your arguments fail (as they predictably do) the only recourse you have is calling names or spreading falsehoods.
Genius strategy.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
This is a good way to drink a cervesa.
Here’s to all you real fans out there!
July 8th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Well HD
Instead of the hissy fits, can you provide any evidence to the contrary That Al Davis is doing a great job as GM/Owner?
Did I mention Forbes yesterday?
July 8th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Obama’s in Russia right now. I guess we know this because Sarah Palin can see him from her house.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
I don’t need to support Al’s great lifetime record. He could be on a ventilator and still run this team better than half the owners out there.
Even with the worst career record as an owner (which is basically polar-opposite of what Al has)…the controlling owner has the right to do what he wants with his team.
Why do you spend so much time pointing out the team’s/Al’s faults? Is that the fun for you? Not the game? Not the actual sport? Methinks cynicism is your unhealthy sport of choice.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Guys, do you know when Al finally dies the media won’t talk much about anything but his sucesses. Kind of like why they won’t say much about M Jackson being a pederast.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
I don’t need to support Al’s great lifetime record. He could be on a ventilator and still run this team better than half the owners out there.
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Could you provide any empirical evidence to support that statement?
July 8th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
“Why do you spend so much time pointing out the team’s/Al’s faults? Is that the fun for you? Not the game? Not the actual sport? Methinks cynicism is your unhealthy sport of choice”.
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Only because Al Davis is the GM.
yikes.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Good one, KK — Like me throwing out my rhetorical opinion is anything like you and LMN using false statements and half-facts to prove your points?
My opinion isn’t a statement of fact…unlike how you, LMN, and a few others in here try and make us believe yours are.
Big ETHICAL difference, but you need to think a little deeper to comprehend that concept.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
TW
I think his legacy will be the Merger, Early Great Raider Teams, Raider Image.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
Ha — Even with me drunk, you and LMN have continued to prove yourselves as hollow, weak debaters. Hardly the MASTERdeBATORS we’ve all, ummm, come to expect.
Wake me up when you have something new…
July 8th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
HD
All you have is angry babble. I guess you’re stunned.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
I’ll tell you one thing… since I’ve became a fan in 1995 at 11 yrs old, I’ve definitely suffered through more losing than winning. But with each new year comes new hope. So I’ll take an owner that lives to win than some real estate mogul that’s only trying to stay afloat.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
RaiderNationPA Says:
I’ll tell you one thing… since I’ve became a fan in 1995 at 11 yrs old, I’ve definitely suffered through more losing than winning. But with each new year comes new hope. So I’ll take an owner that lives to win than some real estate mogul that’s only trying to stay afloat.
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Ahhh — A refreshing breeze just blew through here.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
I think Mr Davis is just being selfish. I think he should put the team before himself.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
I think its pretty nieve for us to accept media biases as fact. None of us have worked for Davis, but it seems pretty simple. As a coach or player for Al Davis… if you win he will take care of you and defend you to the death. If you lose, he has no use for you. And in my opinion that’s how it should be.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
What’s up Hayes… looks like you’ve been in a battle all evening
July 8th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Al Davis is the Engineer and Driving Force behind a football team that’s had 6 winning seasons in 20 yrs.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
That’s true KK, but it’s not like he isn’t trying. I love when ppl. claim that Al Davis refuses to change. This is a guy whose core philosophy has always been building teams through veteran aquisistions. If you look at this team, it looks like he has gone against that and has tried to rebuild through the draft. (Besides last offseason’s spending spree relapse)
July 8th, 2009 at 5:54 pm
That’s like with this year’s draft picks. Everyone is critical of Al’s picks because the so-called “experts” thought they were extreme reaches. These are the same tools that said Gallery and Huff were sure things, perennial pro-bowlers.
July 8th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
ZZZzzz…
Wha…? KK said something with only half the facts showing? Typical.
KoolKell Says:
Al Davis is the Engineer and Driving Force behind a football team that’s had 6 winning seasons in 20 yrs.
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Let’s finish the thought…AND, Al’s been the engineer of a team that has in the past 20-years been in:
6 Playoff appearances, including
3 AFC Championship games, and
1 Super Bowl
How many other teams in the NFL can compare figures like that, KK? Less than half of them!
Thought you had something good. Shoulda known better.
ZZZzzz
July 8th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
born in ‘83, i 2 have suffered more defeat than victory, ,but i admit i luv the raiders more than any other team, even though i’m a homer (L.A.) . i remember a little of the playoff win vs. the bengals in l.a. with bo’s career-ending injury.then the buffalo pounding. then the back to back wins vs. denver in l.a. to get us to the divisional play-off game. we lost to buffalo again, but we lost in controversial fashion . but i was enamored with them big time then. i admit i’ve been suckered the past 6 yrs. of expecting wins but my loyalty remains the same
July 8th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Reason for the struggles the last 20 yrs:
Quarterbacks (11):
Steve Beurlein
Jay Schroeder
Todd Marinovich
Jeff Hostetler
Jeff George
Don Hollas
Rich Gannon
Kerry Collins
Aaron Brooks
Josh McCown
Daunte Culpepper
Current: JaMarcus Russell
Coaches (9)
Mike Shanahan
Art Shell
Mike White
Joe Bugel
Jon Gruden
Bill Callahan
Norv Turner
Art Shell
Lane Kiffin
Current: Tom Cable
That’s an average of a new QB every 1.6 years
New Coach every 2 years
July 8th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Less than 75% of NFL teams can claim the amount and/or level of Playoff appearances the Raiders have for the past 20-years.
KK…unless you go back to the “last 6-years” argument, you have little ammo to critique Al’s terrible record.
Now, let’s all say it together…”AL’S SCREWED THINGS UP A LOT LATELY!”
Does that make you feel better? Thought not.
No amount of bitterness can make you happy, KK. Sad.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
I remember the Phins game in 2001… Tory James takes the Fiedler pick to the house en route to a 27-0 win. Obviously I remember the Jets wins in 2002 and 2003. And of course I remember the greatest win of my lifetime… the AFC Champ. win over the Titans. Those are my only playoff memories. I choose to forget the Baltimore loss (I still curse Marquez Pope any chance I get), the Snow Job, and the Super Bowl disaster.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:09 pm
Coaches and QBs from 1967 to 1987
Quarterbacks (4)
Darryl LaMonica
Kenny Stabler
Jim Plunkett
Marc Wilson
Coaches (3)
John Rauch
John Madden
Tom Flores
New QB every 5 years (and Wilson was the only bust)
New Coach every 6.3 years (Rauch left after 12 win season)
Al Davis should be well aware of the reasons why there is a tale of 2 eras
July 8th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Looking at that list SnB D, I only see one mistake by Al. He shouldn’t have let Gruden walk. Other than that I see a long list of losers.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Al Davis has struggled because of an inability to develop a long-term QB or hire a long-term head coach
July 8th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
SnB
Stability in the 1st 20 years, Chaos in the 2nd 20 years.
1989 Free Agency came. Six winning seasons since.
Maybe his ideologies don’t match the Free Agency Era?
July 8th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
I certainly can’t argue that those were wise hires/signings. Joe Bugel and Aaron Brooks are prime examples of those nightmares. (Although I can’t talk… I currently have a white Brooks jersey folded neatly in the bottom of my closet)
July 8th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
I think 2001 through 2003 blow a hole in that argument KK.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
checking the latest info. daily gets frustrating especially at this time of the year. i check this blog more than anything for the latest but when i feel like throwing my 2 cents in, i see 80% of the time some of u guys talk about non-football topics. but 4 u guys that do talk raider i appreciate your guys’ perspective. this is something like a.a. 4 me because i’m obsessed with THE RAIDERS point blank.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
keeping it real, al has alot to do with our struggles, but damnit i hope he bounces back because it’ll only be good news 4 us
July 8th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
RaiderNationPA Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
I think 2001 through 2003 blow a hole in that argument KK.
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Then what? Ron Wolf leaving in 90′
July 8th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
MOST TEAMS IN THE NFL HAVE ORGANIZATIONAL RECORDS BELOW .500…
Even in the acknowledged “down years” (the past 20) the team’s record still shows 10-years of 8-8 or better records — with those all-important Playoff appearances in there, too.
The Raiders “down years” have as many or more Playoff appearances in them than most other teams. What a disaster!!
July 8th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
KoolKell,
To me what changed is that the scouting of the rest of the league caught up to and eventually surpassed that of Davis.
Teams don’t get rid of good quarterbacks anymore. They just don’t. Al Davis relied too much on veteran QBs the last 20 years instead of developing a good QB. That starts the QB carousel, which eventually leads to a coaching carousel.
That’s why the development of Russell is so important and why JEFF GARCIA cannot be the QB under ANY CIRCUMSTANCES LESS INJURY.
Garcia has a year left tops…and no upside…so if Garcia were to play his average self…Cable will be left out to dry the following year and be fired…similiar to what happened to Callahan.
Teams can spend 15 to 20 years trying to find a good QB. If Russell develops into the star he can be AND Al Davis surrounds him with competent coaching….the Raiders will start to look a little more like that team from the first 20 and not the last 20
July 8th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
8-8 is not a winning season.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
SnB D, Nice post 193… Tough to argue with that
July 8th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
SnB
Given that. The Raiders still had only 6 winning seasons. Most other teams did better. The 6 number puts the Raiders in the bottom quater of the league. See numbers above.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
SnB
It’s still below avg.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
LMN, listen man I’ve been trying to ignore your stabs at me. But I’m getting a little tired of it.
YOU got a problem with me say it! and we just get it on. Other than that why don’t you just move on.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
RaiderNationPA Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Looking at that list SnB D, I only see one mistake by Al. He shouldn’t have let Gruden walk. Other than that I see a long list of losers.
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Al Davis should have kept Gruden around for another year or so….and kept him paired with Rich Gannon. That was a very shortsighted and quite frankly stupid decision.
Also, by getting rid of Gruden…that eliminated any chance Tui had to develop into a starting QB….which began the QB debacle the last few years…relying on a free agent like Kerry Collins when the bottom line was that he wasn’t much of a QB at that point…and spare me his performance in Tennessee….that performance is Trent Dilferesque…
Want to win consistently:
1. Franchise QB
2. Stable Coaching staff / system
July 8th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
Maybe his ideologies don’t match the Free Agency Era?
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RaiderNationPA Says:
I think 2001 through 2003 blow a hole in that argument KK.
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Hahaha…
Another guy using KK’s own arguments against him. The Raiders in the Gruden era were a Free Agent blueprint (for short-lived success, unfortunately).
No matter how you slice it, KK, Al knew what he was doing during those Free Agent years.
Don’t confuse the guy with hard facts, RNPA, he only accepts cynicism…and uses half-truths to prove his only point.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Absolutely SnB… Although as a huge Penn State fan, the Collins era is a sore subject for me. I still think he took more blame than he deserved from Raiders fans.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 6:30 pm
SnB
Given that. The Raiders still had only 6 winning seasons. Most other teams did better. The 6 number puts the Raiders in the bottom quater of the league. See numbers above.
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No question about it. The last 20 yrs have been poor. Had they snagged an SB victory, then one could change the discussion somewhat…even Davis would admit that.
To me its more interesting to explore the reasons WHY the problems have occurred. Davis is the boss…and its on his record. He also knows that this long-term losing will start to put a little tarnish on his legacy.
So, the best question to ask is: Are the Raiders moving the needle in the right direction now?
I think the answer is tentatively yes….although I hate that the Raiders didn’t strengthen the D-Line
1. Franchise QB – Yes…they are developing Russell
2. Coaching Stability – To be determined
July 8th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
The Raiders in the Gruden era were a Free Agent blueprint (for short-lived success, unfortunately).
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That’s why the Raiders are working to get JaMarcus Russell up to speed.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
SnB, all the pundits claimed Mr Davis got Garcia to start. Mr Davis has said nothing. Garcia ran his mouth but Russell has looked better than Garcia thoughout the offseason. Now Garcia has much more confidence than Russell and it shows. But as far as on the field it’s not close.
The media makes way too much out of this. Garcia is insurance in case of injury…..period. Whe Russell got hurt last year and they put in AW he sucked. That is why Garcia is here. If Garcia really wanted to start this is the last place he would’ve signed. No way Russell sits for Garcia NO WAY. Russell would have to go 0 for 50 with 5 int’s first.
But as usual the media can’t help but put mess in the game. The only hope for the Raiders is Russell getting up to speed as soon as possible……….period
July 8th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
Hayes, I think KK thinks we are Davis apologists… which i don’t think either of us is. Obviously he has made some mistakes that have negatively affected the team… We just recognize that the facts show that most Davis bashing fans are biased by the this most recent run of losing seasons. Really, we’re pretty much par for the NFL course. Maybe even better since we’ve actually seen the SuperBowl in the last decade.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
this will probably be the last time i blog till training camp, so i’ll dish out on what i think our biggest concerns are.
1. o-line, penalties and pass protection.
2. d-line, stopping the run.
3. wr’s, r they healthy or expierenced enough.
4. qb, jamarcus has to make the throws, etc,etc.
5 the annual ? of “Do we have a Strong Safety?”
all in all, i hope we build on what we seen at the end of last year and keep it going for next year.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
I agree Priest… the whole “QB Contraversy” is a creation of the media. They love to see instability in the Raiders organization… even if it’s not there.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
If Al gets the blame for taking apart a winning team…he should get the credit for bringing in the players to get the team to the top. Right, KK? Hmmm?
He gave the team the players and coach(es) to be in position to win it all…only thing he couldn’t do was play the game for ‘em.
Al builds winners. It just takes longer sometimes.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Priesttj,
I don’t have any idea about why Garcia was brought in. All I am commenting on is the importance of developing JaMarcus Russell.
Even if Garcia was doing better in camp…its not about trying to eek out an extra win or 2 with Garcia for 1 year….its about the maturation of Russell so that the Raiders can have their own (Manning or Brady) like decade of great QB play.
That’s my point. The QB play the last 20 years has been unspectacular for the most part except for flashes of brilliance from Gannon and a year of Hostetler.
BTW, I think Russell is already up to speed. Take away the B.S and bias and look at the numbers…the kid is developing right on target. Just tell Cable to let him throw the ball a little more this year so that he can put up bigger numbers.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Tennessee and Arizona are going to do a face plant once their vets retire (or rapidly decline) which could happen at any moment.
Developing that long-term QB option is everything in the NFL unless you develop a lights-out Hall of Fame type of defense.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Exactly SnB… Russell’s numbers are not much worse than Roethlesburger’s. Granted his TDs and Yards are much lower. And that is with a poor defense and invisible receivers.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
RNPA — I am far from being an Al Davis apologist…I criticize where it’s due.
But I am an unabashedly and unashamed Al Davis loyalist ’til the end.
Or, as in KK’s case, ’til the BITTER end.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
Gannon definitely took a lot of heat from Raider fans who clamoured for Collins due to Gannon’s penchant for the short game. I went on severall shows warning Raider fans to be careful what they wish for. But as usual they wouldn’t listen talking about Collins strong arm. Well when they got him a year later they hated him. He didn’t play bad he just wasn’t what they thought. So he became a target. But before that Gannon couldn’t please them all of a sudden they wished he was back.
This is the first time I’ve been this excited about a rookie QB for us in many years. I was sure that Marinovich would be great but he just never put in the necessary time. Not to mention we were a bad organization by then and there was no one he could trust to mentor him. That was a waste of true talent, he may never have lived up to my expectations but he wuld’ve provided stability. But friends, drugs and bad attitude ruined him.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:51 pm
So he can’t handle the media either?
July 8th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
If Al gets the blame for taking apart a winning team…he should get the credit for bringing in the players to get the team to the top. Right, KK? Hmmm?
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Al gets all the blame and all the credit for the results on the field. He’s the Owner and General Manager.
He gets it all and deserves it all. The Raiders aren’t the worst franchise in the NFL…not even close…but lets be real…the last 20 years of…let’s just say “mediocre” read average, football has knocked them down a peg or two…Not spreading hate…just how I see it.
I was very frustrated last year with the firings and all that drama. They have to start turning this around here. The Raiders are going on season 7 since the last S.B. Can’t really have another double digit loss season.
Its about letting Russell lead the team and getting the right people on the field. The defense needs to play better and be more of a force on the field.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
Can’t argue with that, SnB.
Just facts, baby. A novel concept to some.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
SnB the offense they are installing is taylor made for Russell. I think that was the objective in getting Hackett and Tollner. To design an offense around his talent and get the players he needs to succeed.
The entire offseason on offense was geared to getting that done.
I was just commenting on Garcia for those that feel he’s here to start. You’re obviously not one of them.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Honestly, I’m not worried about the offense at all. Sure there will be some mistakes and probably more 3 and outs than I’d like to see, but I think they will be solid and much improved from last year. It’s the defense that I’m worried about. I really think we have a D-Line that takes plays off and a linebackers corps that is soft to say the least. Watching them (Morrison especially) avoid contact is not a good sign.
July 8th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
SnB
Arrival of Free Agency. Loss of Ron Wolf?
July 8th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
KK — You should conserve what brain-power you’ve got, and maybe hire SnB to make your point (your SINGLE POINT) for you?
July 8th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
SnB
All these teams did TWICE as well as the Raiders over the last 20 yrs (Free Agency)
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Why?
July 8th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
Wow, can I tear through the beers when on here.
When the Raiders lose “there’s a tear in my beer” for sure.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
ok i lied about posting till training camp but i can’t help it, SnB you make a great point. we desperately need that franchise qb. jamarcus isn’t in the greatest or a great position with an unproven o-line in terms of pass protection and totally unproven wr’s. lets be fair. my biggest wish for the raiders is that mcfadden or bush has a breakout year in which they take the spotlight away from him and opens it up for play action with miller,schillens,etc. plus resting the defense. not too far-fetched is it?
July 8th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
L.A.,
I think the D could use as much rest as it can get.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
HaHa… I had to double check the day Hayes. I thought it was Wednesday night.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
KK — You’re too easy sometimes…
KoolKell Says:
SnB
All these teams did TWICE as well as the Raiders over the last 20 yrs (Free Agency)
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Why?
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TWICE as well at WHAT, KK?
How many Playoff games have those teams won over those 20-years? Why not show the rest of the NFL with those teams? Because the Playoff stats get worse, thereby hurting your position? Of course.
What good is a +.500 season…if a team can’t win Playoff games to go with their “winning seasons.”
Here’s a tip for ya, KK — if a team can’t win in the Playoffs, they’re still going out losers…no matter how many games they won during the regular season.
The importance of +.500 seasons in the past 20-years…is possibly the silliest position I’ve seen you try to defend in here, KK.
+.500 in the regular season means NOTHING.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
SnB
All these teams did TWICE as well as the Raiders over the last 20 yrs (Free Agency)
Pittsburg 15 – Bill Cowher, Tomlin, Rothlisberger, Bettis
Miami 14 – Shula, Marino, Parcells
Green Bay 14 – Holmgren, Favre
New England 13 – Parcells, Belicheck, Bledsoe, Brady
Philadelphia 13 – Ryan, Reid, Cunningham, McNabb
San Francisco 12 – Walsh, Seifert, Montana, Young, hell even Garcia
Minnesota 12 – Dennis Green (been great if they had QB play
Kansas City 12 – Schottenheimer, Vermeil
Indianapolis 12 – Dungy, Peyton Manning
Denver 12 – Elway, Shanahan
MOst of the above had to do with having stable coaching in place and a consistent system. The 49ers were a very stable organization with good to great QB play.
How long was Cowher in Pittsburgh? Had Tennessee developed some receivers..they would be on that list too.
The Raiders have had middling coaching and bad QB play for the last 20 years….although I will take the Raiders last 20 over the Chiefs last 20.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
RaiderNationPA Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
L.A.,
I think the D could use as much rest as it can get.
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I am worried about the defense too. The defense lost two or three games last year. Hopefully Marshall can deliver something here.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
When you talk about Pittsburgh you only need to list one name Dick LeBeau
July 8th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Yeah the D has alot to prove. I think they are still coasting off of the praise they received in the dreaded 06 season.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
SnB… How would you evaluate the D-Line and Backers?
July 8th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
yeah 2006 set us back big time but it is about time…
July 8th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
our offense was completely blown up from ground up and our d got too enthused by f… it run the clock out offenses that year against them
July 8th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
SnB, I watched this defense play very well to many times to totally agree with that assesment. They have their issues but there were times when this defense was down right dominant.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
SnB
Yes I believe Coaching and QB stability is the reason.
Why all the instability??????
July 8th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
the ability of having a functional offense will be the turning point of this team
July 8th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
Well I’m out. Solid football discussions tonight. I enjoyed it. Later.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
The Miami game we were just a 4th down stop from winning that game on defense. Eventhough we gave up some yardage on the ground, we could’ve wn that game with a little help from the offense. Same in Buffalo, and against SD. we gave up 25 points in the 4th but the offense was at fault as much as the defense with t/o’s in own 20.
July 8th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
yup those are good examples
July 8th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
got alot out in this one… 2 months away baby! Laters
July 8th, 2009 at 8:13 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 7:26 pm
SnB, I watched this defense play very well to many times to totally agree with that assesment. They have their issues but there were times when this defense was down right dominant.
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Can you point to a game where the Defense was “dominant”, to refresh our memories?
July 8th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Nice to know that in the UFL when a QB is standing still and not throwing a pass and the ball is knocked out of his hands it will be ruled a FUMBLE
July 8th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
kk i just did. buffalo, SD also the texans to mention a few.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
The defens was inconsistent. They weren’t a great defense but they for put together 3 qrtrs of grest defense. Another that I forgot was the Denver game. 31 to 10 ask Cutler about it. Also Farve gave the defense kudos.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Priest,
Would you agree that even very bad defenses in the NFL have weeks where they put it all together?
July 8th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
I know y’all want to see shutouts and ‘85 Bears but this is not a bad defense overall. They were inconsistent true. But if you give this defense an offense that they can believe in IMO they will play more aggressive and you’ll see improvements.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
Very bad defenses rarely ever have great performances at least not any that I can think of. They have a great series or two but not games. How ’bout you?
July 8th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
I would say this d has real good corners, good lbs, terrible safeties and a bad d-line. That does not equal a playoff defense. It all starts up front and the fact is this team is way below par in that area.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
In your opinion…..not in the coaches.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Rarely as in 1,2 maybe 3 times a year they step up? I would say even the worst d’s have their days.
July 8th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Whats their opinion?
July 8th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
Isn’t it obvious? I don’t have energy for 50 ?’s
July 8th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Isnt what obvious? What the hell are you even talking about?
July 8th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Oh my Gawd!! the coaches opinion, isn’t it obvious?
July 8th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Explain it to me. There opinion on WHAT??!!!!!!!!!!!
July 8th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Forget it, life’s too short.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
Last year, our D had below average play from the DEs. Burgess missing all those games hurt that position, and the fact that Kalimba Edwards was not retained and still hasn’t found a job speaks volumes. Richardson is a backup, plain and simple. The lone bright spot was Trevor Scott.
It’s amazing to me that you guys overlook Warren’s torn chest muscle, and TK’s recovery from the knee. Our DT situation is solid.
Our LBs were, to me, a victim of the scheme. I like the talent there in Howard, Morrison, Brown, and Alston, but they flat out HAVE to be more aggressive! Especially Morrison! Hopefully Marshall has these guys change their mentality to downhill players.
Hiram Eugene and Gabril Wilson gave up A LOT of plays last year. The tackling from that position was awful. That position needs to be solidified! I think we are going to see Huff and Mitchell this year, for better or worse.
CJ and Nnamdi played outstanding last year. Routt was marginal to bad. Miller wasn’t bad.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Jhill, outstanding assessment of the defense. I agree with everything pretty much there a few things I would add but overall great assesment.
Eugene had a few good games as did Wilson but the missed assignments at times really hurt us.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
DBurg and TKelly coming of injuries gave subpar years. Sands needs to be more consistent. Warren played well most of the time but I think he can be better. I think TK will be very good this year. TScott has great potential and if Shannessay can get healthy he will add pass rush ability. In all the Dline can be good to great if it falls right. Our LBers are not slobber knockers but they can really run and pursue they neeed to be more stout and I think they will but we’ll see. The safeties are very young and talented let’s see how they play.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
1) Tommy Kelly has NEVER been “very good”. He is a good player who dznt play with any consistency. All the sudden the light will flip on and he will become domninant?
2) Shannesay will add pass rush? How do you pretend to know that?
3) Who are the young talented safeties??
Once again, all you comments are pure and simple “hope”, nothing more. Keep grabbing that electric fence, one of these days it wont shock you.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Tommy Kelly was DZAMN good at DE they year he got hurt. He was CLEARLY our best Dlineman. Clearly! Then SNAP, there goes the knee. Last year, TK played well. He didn’t play up to his contract, but he certainly was no slouch.
I like the idea of Trevor Scott playing that left side, just like he did in the Jets game. With the added bulk, his 6′5 frame is perfect for that spot. Start Ellis on the right side, and bring in DBurgess on passing downs. Kelly and Warren are going to be just fine in the middle, provided they stay healthy.
Huff is clearly talented. I don’t know about the rookie Mitchell, but hey, we will see. I see Tyvon Branch as a special teams star, and backup S. I don’t see him cracking the starting lineup.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Dude just say you don’t agree man, give your own opinion and be done with it.
I think T Kelly is an outstanding talent who’s played at a probowl level until he got hurt 2 years ago.
I Think the safeties Tyvon Branch and Mitchell, as well Huff and Eugene are talented now let’s see if they can play.
July 8th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
Jhill great minds think alike. lol
July 8th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
Yes Sir …..
Let’s just hope we field a respectable offense, and the defense will take care of itself.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Dude sucks ass
so does KoolKell and LMN for that matter
July 8th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
No, THIS is keeping it real:
Here’s a football topic:
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The flowwing is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
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I just have to mention that there are only 26 teams listed here.
Something smells fishy.
July 8th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
I think T Kelly is an outstanding talent who’s played at a probowl level until he got hurt 2 years ago
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What year was that? can you provide any stats?
July 8th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Jerryelisabeth
Good for you. You’re the first to mention it. The others: Jacksonville, Baltimore, Carolina, Houston, have not been in the league 20 yrs.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
This hurts me more than you guys, but Dude is right about TK. IMHO
I can’t say I watched every game, and I don’t own a DVR or such things. I don’t watch a lot of Raider videos, but from what I watched TK was good but never great before the injury. He played we at DE and DT, and he can’t make plays behind the LOS.
I like the young Ss, but they haven’t done anything yet. Like BHP said: they do have talent, and that you can’t argue.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
He played well, sorry.
July 8th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
I guess Arizona and Dallas don’t count either since they just add one to both sides of the 6 winning seasons.
Dallas 11
Arizona 2
July 9th, 2009 at 12:25 am
# priesttj Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
LMN, listen man I’ve been trying to ignore your stabs at me. But I’m getting a little tired of it.
YOU got a problem with me say it! and we just get it on. Other than that why don’t you just move on.
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oky, I thought it was very clear… but heck, one more time for the slow…. I dont like you… I dont like that you each year come here and say without any merits that we will win this season, and call others that dont like such a blunt statement out, and when we yet again have a losing season you disappear…
I dont like claiming we are great without having anything to back it up…
July 9th, 2009 at 12:30 am
# HayesDaze37 Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Good one, KK — Like me throwing out my rhetorical opinion is anything like you and LMN using false statements and half-facts to prove your points?
My opinion isn’t a statement of fact…unlike how you, LMN, and a few others in here try and make us believe yours are.
Big ETHICAL difference, but you need to think a little deeper to comprehend that concept.
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okay now again you confuse you self…. you said you were about fact and stats, now you not???
I have not at any time claimed that any of what i write here is fact, its pure opinion, you are obliged to have yours, though its the same each year and it still doesnt hold any water…
you take my post and twist and turns them, you never answering my direct questions, but still you actually claim you are the best of the best…
you are full of it, and you will be next season again, when this season ends a 6-10 (god i hope it ends that good)
July 9th, 2009 at 12:32 am
# BS Detector Says:
July 8th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Dude sucks ass
so does KoolKell and LMN for that matter
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woaw, BHP, you just couldnt help yourself? you had to make a troll to make you feel good? LOL, pathetic
July 9th, 2009 at 3:40 am
somebody ask me if i am ready for some football…
go ahead… go ahead…
YES, I AM READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL !!!
LET’S GO !!!
July 9th, 2009 at 5:26 am
Morning Raider Nation,
Raider Beat reports that Russell has followed through with his promise to work out with his receivers by flying them out to Alabama. The NFL network reports that rookie Louis Murphy, Will Franklin and Todd Watkinsare among the receivers who took up Russell on his offer for the opportunity to bond and improve their on-field chemistry. ESPN, the Raider haters failed to report this while noting Russell missed the last day of OTA’s.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:49 am
Where is everyone?
July 9th, 2009 at 6:06 am
good morning Pete, exla …
July 9th, 2009 at 6:06 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,EXLA, AM-CREW. GOOD 2 C ALL THE POLITICAL RETORIC-BACK STABBING-NAME CALLING-IN FIGHTING-DAILY B.S. IS GOING STRONG. GOD I LOVE THIS BLOG,..
July 9th, 2009 at 6:07 am
‘MORNING ROCKSTAR,
July 9th, 2009 at 6:08 am
[...] We’re big followers of the UFL if you couldn’t already tell, which is why we found the news of the league’s rule differences with the NFL fascinating. In addition to a new overtime format, the “Tuck Rule” will be abolished and tasteful celebrations will be permitted in the end zone and in the bench area. Also, the cheerleaders must remove one article of clothing every quarter. Inside the Raiders [...]
July 9th, 2009 at 6:08 am
No way we keep 7 LB’s and only 2 TE’s. No way.
The Raiders are going to run more 2 TE sets bank on it.
Darrell Strong will make the team along with Stewart who shouldn’t. I pray Sam Williams doesn’t. After all this time, he still sucks, but does contribute to special teams on occasion.
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N21: apparently you haven’t read the article about Chris O’Neill converting from TE to MLB. In that read the rookie TE said that he personally spoke to Davis & Cable and they told him we are keeping 9 LB’s – two of which on the practice squad, and only 2 TE’s on the roster. That’s why he agreed to switch positions, for a chance to make the team
July 9th, 2009 at 6:10 am
GOOD 2 C ALL THE POLITICAL RETORIC-BACK STABBING-NAME CALLING-IN FIGHTING-DAILY B.S. IS GOING STRONG.
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LOL. makes me appreciate the AM crew that much more!
good morning Dirt Lot. I’ll have the waitress bring you some coffee. how do you take it?
I can’t spring for breakfast today, I’m taking the wife shopping after work. yikes!
July 9th, 2009 at 6:19 am
HEY ROCKSTAR, I TAKE MY COFFEE BLACK,WITH 2-FINGER’S OF BOURBON. DO U THINK KEEPING THE XTRA T.E’S AND LINE-BACKER’S WILL EFFECT THE DEPTH ELSWHERE ?
July 9th, 2009 at 6:23 am
Dirt Lot: this is a repost from yesterday, but this is how I see it shaking … let me know what you think
I suppose we could keep 5 DE’s, but that seems like a lot since we are keeping 4 DT’s and 7 LB’s on the active roster. I have the breakdown like this:
3 QB’s
3 RB’s
2 FB’s
6 WR’s (including PR Higgins)
2 TE’s
10 OL
8 DL
7 LB (including Condo & Ekejiuba)
5 CB (including KR Miller)
4 S
2 K/P
That comes out to 52 players. The last roster spot will be a tough one to fight for. Lots of competition. I’m thinking it will go to a 3rd TE since Tony Stewart is our team rep for the players union and is an adequate blocker and pass catcher, plus we traded up to draft blocking TE Brandon Myers to free up Zach Miller as a receiving option …
the 53rd player could very well be disgruntled Andrew Walter (we’ve seen it before!) or scholarship player & Al Davis favorite Sam Williams
July 9th, 2009 at 6:33 am
What’s up fellas
July 9th, 2009 at 6:34 am
LOOK’S GOOD, SEEM’S LIKE IT ALWAY’S COMES DOWN 2 INJURIES. WHO HAS THE BACK-UP’S WHO CAN FILL IN THE BEST,PRE-SEASON, REGULAR SEASON, PLAYOFF’S (HOPEFULLY )IT IS A LONG HALL, EVERY TEAM NEED’S HORSES..
July 9th, 2009 at 6:42 am
QB: Russell, Garcia, Frye/Gradkowski
RB: McFadden, Bush, Fargas
FB: Neal, Lawton
WR: Heyward-Bey, Murphy, Walker, Higgins, Schilens, Holland/Watkins/Shields
TE: Miller, Myers
OT: Henderson, Barnes, Green, Pears
OG: Gallery, Carlisle, Morris, McQuistan
C: Satele, Wade
DE: Ellis, Burgess, Scott, Shaughnessy
DT: Kelly, Warren, Sands, Joseph/Boschetti
LB: Morrison, Howard, Brown, Alston, Norris, Ekejiuba, Condo
CB: Asomugha, Johnson, Routt, Miller, Bowie/D. Brown
FS: Huff, Eugene
SS: Mitchell, Branch
K/P: Janikowski, Lechler
July 9th, 2009 at 6:46 am
It appears the 53rd roster spot, going by the list above would belong to Stryker Sulak (draft pick) unless Burgess is traded before the season – then even if he is they might want to keep Richardson or Gunheim on the active roster?
July 9th, 2009 at 7:02 am
I watched Gradkowski at Toledo and Tampa Bay and Frye at Akron and Cleveland. Both look like deer staring into headlights. Here’s a diss on Frye. http://www.fieldgulls.com/2008/8/15/594737/charlie-frye-s-night-in-th
July 9th, 2009 at 7:28 am
I watched Gradkowski at Toledo and Tampa Bay and Frye at Akron and Cleveland. Both look like deer staring into headlights.
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Can’t be much worse than Tui or Walter imo. Maybe this opens the door for Danny Southwick? BSJ claims he’s quite a stud …
July 9th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Both are like Tui and Walter. I’d carry Southwick into the season to hold the clipboard over Grad. and Frye.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:37 am
I found this interesting photograph that shows JR in the background while stating this is the last day of mini-camp.
http://www.raiders.com/newsroom/Default.aspx?id=90
July 9th, 2009 at 7:40 am
Did DeMarcus Ware hide from coaches so Greg Ellis could play?
Posted by Mike Florio (PFT)
Former Cowboys linebacker Greg Ellis wasn’t bashful about speaking his mind during his time with the team. So it shouldn’t be surprising that he’s even more candid now that he’s no longer wearing the blue star on his hat.
During a Wednesday appearance on ESPN 103.3’s The Michael Irvin Show, Ellis claimed that one of his former teammate’s went to unusual lengths to give Ellis more playing time.
“It’s a disgrace when DeMarcus Ware comes off the field just so I can get in the game and when the coaches tell him to come on the field, he tries to hide so I can play,” Ellis said. “And you’re telling me we’re trying to win the Super Bowl?”
As Tim McMahon of the Dallas Morning News points out, however, Ware rarely missed a play last year before injuring a knee late in the Thanksgiving win over the Seahawks.
And Ellis seemed to acknowledge that Ware’s efforts to defer playing time to the 1998 first-rounder weren’t successful.
“He would say, ‘G, come on,’” Ellis said. “And I would tell him, ‘No, DeMarcus, go ahead, man. You’re coming up on your contract year. Don’t mess that stuff up. Go ahead and do you, and we’re just going to do what the coaches, or whoever the powers that be, what they want to do.’”
Moving forward, none of it matters. Ellis is gone, and Ware likely will be the long-term cornerstone of the team’s defense.
Depending on how things go in Oakland for Ellis, he might end up hiding from coaches in order to avoid playing time, but for reasons entirely unrelated to helping a teammate get some reps.
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what do you guys think?
July 9th, 2009 at 7:42 am
I think all the Raider players need to keep their traps shut till they can prove themselves with a winning record.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:53 am
I found this interesting photograph that shows JR in the background while stating this is the last day of mini-camp.
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I just viewed all the pics from Week 4 of OTA’s on the Raiders website. Russell is in shape fellas. He’s not 180 lbs (never will be), but he’s certainly a decent weight for his frame
The AirAsia Raiders plane is awesome!!!
Mark Davis looks like a little sissy. LOL. the apple fell WAY far from the tree and I think thats why Al Davis hasn’t passed down the Raiders yet. He’ll probably give the team to his wife Carol and she’ll have a team of former players that Al trusted to round out the front office. Mark & Amy Trask will handle most business aspects, as they do now.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Good Morning Nation.
RR,
I read your post yesterday about 6 WRs, and I’m not sold on it.
How many WRs did we have on the roster last year,5 or 6?
I’m also sick and tired of the Raiders asking players to play diff positions. O’Neill played well at TE in OTAs, so why play him at LB??
July 9th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Both are like Tui and Walter. I’d carry Southwick into the season to hold the clipboard over Grad. and Frye.
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Gradkowski – 19 games played. completed 197 of 373 passes (52.8 completion percentage) 1817 yards, 9 TD, 13 INT, sacked 31 times, 59.9 QB Rating
Frye – 23 games played. completed 366 of 590 passes (62.0 completion percentage) 3,573 yards, 16 TD, 25 INT, sacked 74 times, 70.4 QB Rating
Walter – 15 games played. completed 174 of 333 passes (52.3 completion percentage) 1919 yards, 3 TD, 16 INT, sacked 51 times, 52.6 QB Rating
Tui – 13 games played. completed 49 of 90 passes (54.4 completion percentage) 554 yards, 2 TD, 7 INT, sacked 10 times, 48.1 QB Rating
It looks like Frye & Gradkowski are upgrades over Walter & Tui to me, both in experience and stats wise! We’re talking about a 3rd string QB here though, so don’t expect mind-blowing numbers, no matter who the candidate
July 9th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Happy fukin’ Thursday!
July 9th, 2009 at 8:27 am
R.R.
…..We’re talking about a 3rd string QB here though, so don’t expect mind-blowing numbers, no matter who’s the candidate
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Good point. Might as well be Southwick.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:27 am
How many WRs did we have on the roster last year,5 or 6?
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Drew Carter got hurt so we signed Ashley Lelie to take his place.
Curry, Lelie, Walker, Higgins, Schilens, Watkins.
Holland was promoted to the active roster after Walker was placed on IR.
We kept 2 TE’s last year: Miller & Stewart. Wakefield was our utility player for TE, OL & DL (hopefully we won’t make that mistake again!)
We kept 6 WR’s & 2 TE’s last year. Only difference this year is we drafted Myers at TE. Stewart is our NFLPA rep and a special teams ace. cheap vet who is a good locker room presence & teammate. decent hands, not much of a blocker
Curry & Lelie/Carter are basically replaced by DHB & Murphy …
July 9th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Dakota Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 8:24 am
Happy fukin’ Thursday!
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Would be if they had signed Odom. lol
July 9th, 2009 at 8:29 am
good morning Dakota, Raider O …
July 9th, 2009 at 8:32 am
I didn’t know the turmoil Odom faced growing up. From Wiki: Odom was born in South Jamaica, Queens, New York. His father was a heroin addict and his mother died of colon cancer when he was twelve years old.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Thanks, Exla…you just ruined my Thursday.
Damn it Odom, suck it up and take the $7 or $8 million dollar deal. You only play at about 75% speed, so you get 75% of the money….fair enough?
Man Exla, I get pissed at all of Odom’s dumb mistakes on the floor…I can’t imagine the expletives I might be throwing at the TV with Lamar and Artest on the floor at the same time, lol…but we need Lamar back in a bad way. His positives greatly outweigh his negatives.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:36 am
I’m also sick and tired of the Raiders asking players to play diff positions. O’Neill played well at TE in OTAs, so why play him at LB??
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Chris O’Neill has virtually no chance of cracking the 53 man roster as a TE, but I think the coaching staff and Mr. Davis were impressed with his attitude, work ethic, athleticism, etc and wanted to give him a shot to make the team in some way, shape or form. He’s a project, even at TE. I think we wanted more competition at MLB. Morrison, Brown & Joseph will now also be fending off O’Neill. The best 2 will make the team. Morrison & Brown have the edge not only in salary and experience, but they can both play OLB as well if need be. I think O’Neill will make the practice squad and we’ll use him as both TE & MLB there. Playing MLB should make him a better TE since the MLB often has to cover the TE and he’ll be able to understand the defense since MLB is basically the captain of the defense. a TE that understands the defense is a TE that can exploit the defense imo. I have no problem with this move. What can it hurt?
July 9th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Odom has not visited other teams yet. The time to worry is when he does. Keep him from visiting the 76’s as they are too close to HERSHEY, PA.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:43 am
“It’s a disgrace when DeMarcus Ware comes off the field just so I can get in the game and when the coaches tell him to come on the field, he tries to hide so I can play,” Ellis said. “And you’re telling me we’re trying to win the Super Bowl?”
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That is a disgrace Ellis…why would any superior player try to give his playing time to an inferior player? Ware is twice the player you are. Ware certainly isn’t worried about winning if that was what he was doing, and you even bringing that up shows that you have very little common sense and that you are not a team player. I’m willing to be Ellis was on the T.O. side in the Dallas locker room, lol.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Jeff Garcia – 124 games played. 2264 of 3676 passes completed (61.6 completion percentage) 25537 yards, 161 TD, 83 INT, sacked 181 times, 87.5 QB Rating
JaMarcus Russell – 19 games played. 234 of 434 passes completed (53.9 completion percentage) 2796 yards, 15 TD, 12 INT, sacked 37 times, 73.9 QB Rating
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Who gives us the best chance to win Week 1 against San Diego?
you guys have fun with this one. LOL
July 9th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Gunhiem and Richards will make the team at DE.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Exla…I think that the only two teams that have the cap room to sign Odom to more than the MLE are Portland and Memphis. Portland has a bunch of young players at PF and SF and Memphis is Memphis…and now that the Spurs have signed McDyess, the only team I am worried about is Cleveland…I think they still have their MLE, and if Mitch is playing hard ball again, we might lose Odom to Clev out of spite.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Gunhiem and Richards will make the team at DE.
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good morning Jhill. in place of who?
If we keep 4 or 5 DE’s, which other 2 or 3 guys stick?
July 9th, 2009 at 8:49 am
RR,
So we did keep 6 WRs last season if you count Curry. I didn’t! lol
As for ONeill, that makes sense, and it doesn’t hurt anyone. It’s not like having your 1st RD pick who is a Base End play OLB.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:50 am
RRS…
yeah, Miller is of course locked, and Tony stewart was more or less OTAs best receiver, so O’neill will have to find another spot on roster to stay.. and he’ll might get tony stewarts position next year, h isnt getting younger =)
July 9th, 2009 at 8:50 am
new post
July 9th, 2009 at 8:54 am
7 LBs with Stryker playing OLB/ DE IMO!
July 9th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
It’s too early to make predictions. It’s July 9th. But, here’s my 2 cents. We have to beat San Diego in the opener, IMO, to have a shot at the division title. Any Raider fan that thinks this team will win 4 games thinks Jamarcus is a loser. The answer is somewhere between 6 and 10 wins. You have to think positive right now. DMAC was hurt most of the season in 2008. Javon Walker was useless (hopefully that changes). We lost both fullbacks to injury. We had a loser DC in Rob Ryan. I think we have a better coaching staff, and the young players are 1 year older. GO RAIDERS!