NFL Network: Camp JaMarcus is on
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, July 9th, 2009 at 8:42 am in Oakland Raiders.
According to the NFL Network’s Jason LaCanfora, JaMarcus Russell made good on his promise to gather some of his receivers for a secret passing camp before the Raiders report for training camp on July 29.
LaCanfora, a former Washington Post reporter who replaced Adam Schefter on the network, said Louis Murphy, Will Franklin and Todd Watkins to Alabama on Russell’s dime and that others could follow.
Extending the effort is a good sign with regard to Russell. It’s particularly bold statement from Murphy, a rookie who is not under contract and has no protection from injury. With a multi-million dollar contract on the line plus several weeks of hamstring issues, it would be an even bolder gamble by No. 1 pick Darrius Heyward-Bey. Other receivers who missed time due to injury at the final OTA were Chaz Schilens, Javon Walker and Arman Shields.
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July 9th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Gunhiem and Richards will make the team at DE.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Franklin, huh?
July 9th, 2009 at 8:50 am
WR battle is going to be nice!
DHB, Schillens, JLH, and Murphy are locks. Walker, Watkins, Franklin and these other guys battling it out for 2 spots is going to be fun to watch.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:51 am
Sporting News breakdown of the Raiders:
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Raiders camp countdown: Season — and Cable’s fate — rides on Russell
Adam Teicher, Vinnie Iyer and Steve Corkran
Jul. 8, 2009 – 9:00 a.m. ET
This is the 15th in a series of team-by-team breakdowns that will run on SportingNews.com before the start of training camp.
Tom Cable is the fourth head coach for the Raiders in the past five seasons. Among his immediate predecessors, only one received a second chance, and Lane Kiffin was fired four games into that second season after clashing with owner Al Davis.
This means Cable had better win quickly if he intends to survive into 2010.
Unfortunately for Cable, the Raiders aren’t built to do that. Their never-ending rebuilding project labors on.
The prospect of winning as many as eight games — something Oakland hasn’t done since its 2002 Super Bowl season — hangs on a most unlikely candidate, young quarterback JaMarcus Russell.
Still, the Raiders will play hard for Cable, who replaced Kiffin and led the team to four wins in the final 12 games. But even that might not be enough to save Cable’s job.
What’s new
Offense: The Raiders like to run the ball and aren’t afraid to use all three backs if that’s what it takes to wear down defenses. Cable and passing game coordinator Ted Tollner no doubt would like to open up the offense, but that depends on pass protection, quick maturation by Russell and improvement by the wide receivers.
One of the offseason’s most underrated and significant signings was veteran quarterback Jeff Garcia. For the first time, the Raiders have a viable alternative to Russell. Though Russell has a big arm and loads of ability, his play has been erratic, and this could be the make-or-break season for the 2007 No. 1 draft pick. If Russell struggles for an extended period, look for the Raiders to insert Garcia.
Injuries limited Darren McFadden to 113 carries and 29 receptions as a rookie. If he’s healthy, he’ll get the majority of work this year. McFadden has the strength to be an effective power runner but is more of a threat in the open field because of his maneuverability and speed.
The Raiders were criticized for selecting Maryland wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey with their first-round pick, but the speedster fits their need for a fast player who can stretch the field. His presence will help immediately.
Defense: The philosophy probably will change under new coordinator John Marshall. The Raiders liked to play a lot of man-to-man under former coordinator Rob Ryan, but they will be more varied under Marshall, the former coordinator in Seattle.
Though the Raiders will employ more tactics, look for Marshall to emphasize the coverage skills of cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha and the speed of linebackers Thomas Howard and Kirk Morrison.
At end, Trevor Scott was a find as a rookie last season. He showed strong pass-rush skills and wound up as the Raiders’ co-leader in sacks. He could push veteran Derrick Burgess out of a starting spot. With four sacks last year, Burgess had his least productive season since joining the Raiders in 2005.
Also in the mix is former Cowboy Greg Ellis. He was picked up late in the offseason and gives the Raiders a quality edge rusher who put up 20 1/2 sacks over the last two seasons for Dallas.
Burning question
Will there be a camp competition between JaMarcus Russell and Jeff Garcia?
“JaMarcus is the starter. He’s the first pick of the draft a few years ago, so of course he’s going to be the starter. (But) I don’t see Jeff Garcia backing down. He wants to play; he wants to be on the field.”
— Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha
View from the other sideline
An opponent breaks down the Raiders:
“What this team needs is some stability. They don’t need to be changing coaches every year or two. They picked Tom Cable, and now they should give him the time to see if he can succeed.
“I’m afraid JaMarcus Russell is not the guy. He was easily confused and made a lot of bad decisions last year. But he’s so young so he could get better. I’m also not sold on that offensive line. It’s too inconsistent. That’s too bad because their set of backs is good.
“Darren McFadden could have a big year if he stays healthy. I’ve always liked Justin Fargas. He’s a tough runner. Nobody from that group of receivers scares you, but Zach Miller is a solid tight end. He catches everything.
“On defense, it’s mostly a group of inconsistent players. The exception is Nnamdi Asomugha. He just might be the best corner in the league, so it’s best to just stay away from him. The linebackers can run, so they can cause problems for you if you don’t account for them.”
Bottom line
The Raiders have a chance to win more than five games for the first time since 2002. But the best-case scenario isn’t a lot better than mediocrity. The Raiders appear to be making progress, but it won’t be noticeable unless Russell gets better.
If Russell shows measurable improvement, the Raiders have enough ability to get to eight wins. If he plays like he did last season, the Raiders will relive 2008 all over again and Cable might not be around to see the season end.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Jerry,
You were skeptical the camp would happen. It did. Now quit filling the blogosphere with your bias against him.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Will Franklin’s name just keeps popping up, nice to see, he obviously want to be a part of this team…
July 9th, 2009 at 8:59 am
7 LBs with Stryker as an OLB/ DE IMO.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:00 am
KK, what bias??
July 9th, 2009 at 9:03 am
DE – Scott, Burgess, Gunhiem, Ellis, Shaugnessy, Richards
DT – Warren, Kelly, Sands, Boschetti
LB – Howard, Alston, Morrison, Brown, Ekejiuba, Norris, Condo
CB – Nnamdi, CJ, Routt, Miller, Brown
S – Huff, Mitchell, Branch, Eugene
That’s 26 players, or half of the roster.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:06 am
7 LBs with Stryker as an OLB/ DE IMO.
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only if we cut Jon Condo and find somebody else to handle the long snapping duties …
July 9th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Rockstar,
Jeff Garcia has a career win loss record of 58-58.
Jeff Garcia is 39 yrs old
Jeff Garcia has been released by 5 teams since 2003
WHY WOULD THE RAIDERS WANT TO RELIVE JOSH MCCOWN 2….AND THROW AWAY YET ANOTHER SEASON
Russell has had ONE season as a starter. ONE! What did people expect from him last year? I know I’ve been a broken record on this. But what did you all expect? A Pro-Bowl season? His receivers were Ashley Lelie, Javon Walker and Ronald Curry for most of the year. Lelie is out of work, Curry battling to be the 4th receiver on the LIONS and Walker nursing yet another knee surgery. Oh his left tackle was the WORST STARTING LT IN YEARS! The same position that is typically considered one of the most important on the field!
The 2008 Raiders WERE NOT NEARLY AS GOOD A TEAM AS THE FALCONS OR RAVENS! Enough with those comparisons.
WHAT TEAM GIVES UP ON A YOUNG QB AFTER ONLY ONE YEAR AS A STARTER FOR A 39 YR OLD WASHOUT!
And yes, Russell got better as the season progressed. Ask yourself this question. Had Russell started the year with Chaz and JLH, would the number have been better? Had the playcalling been more aggressive?
Also, this is NOT a make or break season for Russell. All he has to do is build on the last few weeks of last year and the people around him play better.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:13 am
That’s 26 players, or half of the roster.
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Jhill: how do you justify keeping 6 DE’s?
with only 5 WR or 9 OL?
you know the K & P also account for roster spots …
and what happens to Sulak?
July 9th, 2009 at 9:14 am
RR,
Kirk, TH, Brown, Euk, alston, Condo, and ? Frantz/ Stryker/ 4th RD pick ( Norris)
You are right!!
Odds of Frantz making the 53 man roster just went down. C’mon PS!!
I have a feeling that this kid will be a starter in the NFL. If not us, then anther team, but he will start IMHO.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:14 am
I can’t wait for this season to start.
3 new starters on the Oline this year? I guess the opponents view was right on that.
JRuss certainly was confused last year. Confused about why there were 3 offenses to learn in one year. Confused as to why Curry wouldn’t catch the ball. Confused as to why NFL caliber OTs can’t block. Oh well, maybe things will be different this year.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:16 am
I think we will keep 10 players for the DL, RRS.
That’s just how I see it shaking out.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Sulak is a 6th rd pick. He may end up on the practice squad.
I will say that Jay Richards spot is there for the taking.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:19 am
i see upgrades throughout the team…
i don’t see downgrades…
so overall, i think this team will be much better than last years record…
what we saw in the last two weeks of the season, i think, will be the norm…
but i still have one question…
who’s gonna stop the run???
July 9th, 2009 at 9:20 am
10 players for the DLine is a lot IMHO. 8-9 players is good enough.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:20 am
WHY WOULD THE RAIDERS WANT TO RELIVE JOSH MCCOWN 2….AND THROW AWAY YET ANOTHER SEASON
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the 2007 isn’t very much like the 2009 team imo and Jeff Garcia is and always has been head & shoulders a better QB than Josh McCown. I’d go so far as to say that Garcia is a Top 20 QB in the league – even at age 40. Don’t ask me why he signed with Oakland for a backup role, but he did
on NFL Live they call him “Rocky Balboa”
nothing against Russell, but your distaste for Garcia has nothing to do with his production on the football field unless you’re solely basing your assessment on his 1 year stints in Cleveland & Detroit, who have had how many successful QB’s in the last 20 years ???
I’m glad we have a capable backup. If Russell gets injured, we still have hope to win some football games. Tui & Walter playing would be like throwing in the towel. We saw that last year against Carolina
July 9th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Pete,
How is your boy doing (JB), do you know?
July 9th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Sulak is a 6th rd pick. He may end up on the practice squad.
I will say that Jay Richards spot is there for the taking.
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Trevor Scott was also a 6th round pick last year and now he has a good shot at beating Burgess out of a starting job. Sulak is a tweener undersized DE/oversized OLB. He has a penchant for creating havoc behind the LOS and causing turnovers, forced fumbles. high motor like Scott. Jay Richardson has been a flop the past 2 years. Gunheim is still largely unproven, despite the 1 sack against Tampa last year
July 9th, 2009 at 9:26 am
RR,
Ok dude!! Ok!!!
Top 20 QB!!!!!
I know you have to go shopping with the wife today, but that’s not an excuse to act crazy!! lol
Top 20 QB!!!! Why?????
July 9th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Rockstar,
I am tired of old veterans who can’t stick on other teams somehow becoming the answer in oakland. I’ve seen this bad re-run too many times over the last 20+ years. Jeff Garcia is 58-58. If he is not good enough for Tampa Bay…..then he is not good enough for Oakland.
They call him Rocky because he’s a “scrappy” player. Screw that. Give me a dominant player with dominant physical ability. Russell can develop into that.
If Garcia was the man….why wouldn’t the Vikings sign the guy. A WCO QB that’s a scrappy and fiery player….whatever that’s worth.
The Raiders have to develop a young QB. Plus the rest of the team is young too. So they can grow together. If the Raiders had a veteran team like Minnesota, and were poised for a deep playoff/SuperBowl run…then I would be more willing to listen to suggestions of Jeff Garcia.
But the dude is THIRTY-NINE years old! What’s the future with a guy like that?
The Lions wasted several years with Jon Kitna. Another “fiery” leader who couldn’t win the damn game!
July 9th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Garcia is a waste of time as far as developing this team goes. good stop gap, yes indeed. But this is a young developing team, and to throw Garcia in there this year for any other reason than injury is a wasted year. I totally agree with that. Sure, we would get some wins, maybe 8-10. But what would we do next year? Surely we don’t go with the 41 going on 42 year old Garcia, so we?
Oh I know, Danny Southwick?
If Garcia take over the helm this year, looking at the big picture, we are doomed!
July 9th, 2009 at 9:30 am
Rockstar,
No I am not a big fan of Garcia. Never have been. I thought he was a decent “stop-gap” type of quarterback, but not one you want for the long-haul.
Apparently Gruden, the king of veteran washouts at QB, agreed as he benched him several times last year.
The Raiders are building a team here. And it starts with the QB!
July 9th, 2009 at 9:32 am
I would have no problem with your guy beating our Richards. I like what I saw from Gunhiem on that left side against Tampa.
Regardless, I see 10 players on the Dline, especially with all the injuries we had last year. When players went down, we had no backups.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:33 am
JHill says,
“If Garcia take over the helm this year, looking at the big picture, we are doomed!”
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Exactly, then the search for “the next great Raidah QB” begins again. Probably ending up with Derek Anderson or J.P Losman in 2010. Then Cable gets fired after a run-in-the-mill season….and then it all starts over…meanwhile
The rest of us will be debating 8 yrs of losing and the cycle begins again.
Russell is the QB PERIOD!
July 9th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Compare what Garcia and Farve have in common.
Both 39 yrs old for 2009 season.
Farve 85.4 qb rating
Garcia 87.5
Favre is statistically one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. Favre is the first player to win the AP Most Valuable Player three consecutive times (1995–97)[3]. He led the Packers to seven division championships (1995, 1996, 1997, 2002, 2003, 2004, and 2007), four NFC Championship Games (1995, 1996, 1997, and 2007), winning two (1996 and 1997), two Super Bowl appearances, winning one (Super Bowl XXXI). He holds a number of NFL records including: most career touchdown passes (464), most career passing yards (65,127), most career pass completions (5,720), most career pass attempts (9,280), most career interceptions thrown (310), most consecutive starts among NFL quarterbacks (269; 291 total starts including playoffs), and most career victories as a starting quarterback (169).
Garcia married Carmella DeCesare, the 2004 Playboy Playmate of the Year
Last stat makes it a close call!
July 9th, 2009 at 9:38 am
If Southwick ever makes the roster, it will be because of all the publicity on this Blog!
If he makes the team, I will lose it!
July 9th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Talking about Garcia or any of the backup QBs is a complete waste of time. If any of them see substantial playing time in 2009 we be fooked anyhow.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:49 am
I like to keep 5 WRs, 3 TEs, 5 HBs, and 3 QBs.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:51 am
perfect. the Garcia-move has officially payed off. just dont get hurt guys!
July 9th, 2009 at 10:02 am
Raider O Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Pete,
How is your boy doing (JB), do you know?
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Vikings Sign 5th Round Pick Jasper Brinkley
Posted by Chris Boynton on June 30th, 2009 in 2009 NFL Draft, News
The Vikings have signed fifth round pick Jasper Brinkley to a contract, the team’s website reported.
Brinkley is expected to contribute immediately on special teams coverage units as well as backing up E.J. Henderson at Middle linebacker. Brinkley is a tough run stopper who struggles in coverage. He could find a niche on the short yardage defensive formations as well.
Brinkley is the second of the team’s five draft picks to sign leaving WR Percy Harvin, OT Phil Loadholt and CBAsher Allen remain in negociation mode.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:02 am
QB: JR, Garcia, Frye
RB: DMC, Bush, Fargas
FB: OO if healthy, Reece
TE: Miller, Myer
WR: Walker, Chaz, JLH, DHB, Murphy, ?
OT: Mario, Barnes, Green, Pears
OG: Gallery, Cooper, Paul M…, ?
C: satele, Wade
July 9th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Florida Pete,
Brinkley would have been a nice add to the linebacking mix in Oakland. Would have rather seen him here than Slade Norris. The Raiders have plenty of speedy LBs…need someone that can hit somebody in the mouth
July 9th, 2009 at 10:07 am
SnB Defense Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Florida Pete,
Brinkley would have been a nice add to the linebacking mix in Oakland. Would have rather seen him here than Slade Norris. The Raiders have plenty of speedy LBs…need someone that can hit somebody in the mouth
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i hear you… i really wanted a big ugly in the middle…
July 9th, 2009 at 10:07 am
5th RD?!! Atleast he is not in the AFC.
I like Murphy as a 4th RD pick, but let’s hope the other 4th RD pick ( Norris) can make the team and contribute on special teams. I never heard of him before that day!!
July 9th, 2009 at 10:09 am
I really hope that we keep Frantz!!
He is as good as JB if not better IMHO.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Have a great day.
Want to get out before the politics start. lol
July 9th, 2009 at 10:12 am
I hope more WR’s are to follow. Murphy is nice but the other two, lucky to make the team. Sure hope Chaz and JLH make it out to Alabama on “Jamarcus’ dime”, that would be a great sign.
Gotta love what Murphy seems to be bringing to the table in the short two months so far. Certainly could all go for not, but guys with his size, skills, from the SEC with what appears to be a great work-ethic, usually have some level of success in the NFL. He is kind of our “insurance” if you will in case DHB is a huge flop.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Raider O,
I’ll take Brinkley at round 5 over converting Chris O’Neil…an UFA TE who has never played the position before.
Frantz Joseph is not going to make the team. Practice squad is his best chance. He just can’t run.
Plus, what does that say about the state of the defense when fans are hoping for a tangible contribution at a key position from an undrafted free agent?
July 9th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Vegas,
Louis Murphy was projected as high as the 2nd round. He can play ball and has the skills to become an instant contributor.
I just hope DHB can play up to his draft status. With Murphy there, he’s really going to put some heat on the 7th overall pick.
I also hope that Terdell Sands and Gerard Warren play well enough to justify picking DHB and Mike Mitchell
July 9th, 2009 at 10:16 am
I expect Richardson to put on a few more pounds and be able to play a little on the inside to help secure his roster spot a little.
I’m a Richardson supporter, reminds of Bobby Hamilton. Nothing wrong with him in the “rotation”, solid but not spectacular.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:17 am
O dont forget about M Johnson at OG. he was a second round pick so he has some talent and is still like only 27 years old. big, fairy quick cat who could push out McQuiz. (but what do i know about OL LOL! remember G Cadogan? he went undrafted!)
as for the defense, i think we will see a lot of “smoke” at DE/OLB with a variety of zone-blitzes and stunts. at least i hope so…
later Nation.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:19 am
good morning Vegas. welcome back brother. hope everything at work is cool
July 9th, 2009 at 10:21 am
SnB,
I want Frantz as backup MLB this year, or he can play SLB. I’m not sold on Brown.
OR
If he played very well at MLB ( better than Kirk), then we can move Kirk to SLB. He likes to cover, back 7!!!
July 9th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Top 20 QB!!!!!
I know you have to go shopping with the wife today, but that’s not an excuse to act crazy!! lol
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Raider O & others, please give me 20 starting NFL QB’s that are better than Jeff Garcia, based on production (not potential!) and no Russell isn’t one of them
we’re lucky to have him imo, backup or otherwise. I’d rather have 2 good Qb’s than one or none!
July 9th, 2009 at 10:22 am
“I also hope that Terdell Sands and Gerard Warren play well enough to justify picking DHB and Mike Mitchell”
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Love the hopes of July football, right? DHB could be a star and appears to have the talent, but I would feel better about 2009, if the draft was the same just replacing Raji with DHB. We definately needed to take at least one WR, but Murphy is all ready out of the gates ahead of almost everyone it seems, except Chaz probably. Of course hindsight is 20/20, and your right Murphy seemed to be in that second tier of college WR’s this year, and a 4th round pick was probably somewhat of a disappointment for him.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:25 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:19 am
good morning Vegas. welcome back brother. hope everything at work is cool
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Thanks. Officially added another notch to the unemployment tallys this week. Looking completely outside of the financial industry for right now, we’ll see what happens. $393 a week for unemployment, not bad really, that can fly for a month or two, lol.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:25 am
I want Frantz as backup MLB this year, or he can play SLB. I’m not sold on Brown.
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aside from injury, Ricky Brown is a stud. Go back and watch the first 7 or 8 games last year and you’ll see this guy is impressive. he’s a tackling machine and the Raiders thought enough of him to slap the 2nd round tender $1.5 million on him. They tried him at MLB because they already knew he could play strong side LB, not because he wasn’t getting it done. surely not because of Alston performance, who Cable described as a “solid 3rd down linebacker”
July 9th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Murphy…the second coming of Tim Brown! Ooh, did I say that out loud?
July 9th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Top 20 Starters better than Jeff Garcia. Also consider that Garcia went 0-4 down the playoff stretch…hasn’t captained a AFC/NFC champion and has one playoff win since 2002.
Tom Brady
Chad Pennington
Brett Favre
Ben Rothlisberger
Carson Palmer
Joe Flacco
Peyton Manning
Kerry Collins
David Gerard
Matt Cassel
Philip Rivers
Eli Manning
Donavan McNabb
Tony Romo
Jay Cutler
Aaron Rogers
Drew Brees
Matt Ryan
Kurt Warner
Matt Hasselback
Jake Delhomme
-Shaun Hill and Trent Edwards are equal to Garcia
-JaMarcus Russell, Brady Quinn, Sanchez and Stafford all have WAAAAY more upside than GArcia
July 9th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Vegas: it helps that your wife works and you qualified for unemployment. you’ll land on your feet someplace, just hope that when you start your new job you still check back in and give us a shout
My wife’s uncle got laid off yesterday. been there over 10 years. Her dad has been out of work since March and he was a big shot, trained managers, traveled a lot, did the hiring/firing, etc
July 9th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Chad Pennington, Kerry Collins, David Garrard, Matt Cassel & Jake Delhomme are not better than Jeff Garcia … equal maybe
Shaun Hill and Trent Edwards are below Garcia.
come on S&B, you’re really reaching man.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Vegas
In watching the Tampa Game, AGAIN, I noticed Richardson did take some snaps at DT.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:36 am
potential & upside counts for nothing in this league.
Ask Ryan Leaf or Todd Marinovich …
July 9th, 2009 at 10:38 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 9:00 am
KK, what bias??
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LMN, I read a certain skepticism in Jerry’s remarks about Russell. He was skeptical that his camp would even take place.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:39 am
I know KK, I thought about that when I typed it. Kind of adds to the point of him growing on his little experience on the inside and being more versatile.
Man tough to get things by you these days.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:40 am
You know you’re hosed when the fans are argueing whether Garcia should be the starter.
Every team that has signed Garcia has inserted him, then benched him, inserted, benched, inserted, cut.
Great play.
followed by a Horrible play.
Good pass.
Sorry, pathetic, off target, get receiver killed pass.
Admit something, Raider fans…do you not find it odd that a recently drafted/signed/mega-millionaire, (Russell) who’s been handed the keys to the franchise, actually NEEDS (whether he does or not is irrelevent. Everyone seems to feel he does)a player in camp to “motivate” him?
In other words. You accept the fact he’s NOT doing what he should, both off, and on the field, and you’re “hoping” that a kick in the ass will inspire him to step up his efforts.
Like it or not, you should NOT need to be motivated in the NFL, after you’ve been made an instant millionaire.
The list is long on previous players who fans felt the same way.
In other words, they weren’t performing,and everyone hoped a miracle “challenge/boost/kickintherear” would ascend them.
Two years now you read about different coaches stating Russell needs to ’step up his game” needs to “do what it takes”, needs to “start acting like a leader”.
When back to back head coaches say that about your #1 pick, means something is seriously wrong.
And now you’re hoping that bringing in a 39 year old, oft-cut herky jerky insconsistent qb will help??? That he’s “good to have, just in case”??
The day Garcia takes over behind center is the first day of “Raiders regress back to starting all over”
July 9th, 2009 at 10:41 am
Rockstar,
Winning matter too. Garcia “0-4″ down the stretch and released.
Pennington, Collins and Delhomme got their teams to the playoffs. All three won division titles. Matt Cassel all but got his team into the playoffs with and 11-5 record.
David Gerrard is a better QB than Jeff Garcia. Gerrard was third highest rated QB in 2007….behind Brady and Big Ben. He had no line last year and the Jags receiving corps was worse than the Raiders.
Garcia had a tough time beating out Brian Griese last year.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Vegas
Yeah, I’m a fan of Richardson too.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Louis Murphy, Will Franklin and Todd Watkins to Alabama on Russell’s dime
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Murphy could be this year’s Eddie Royal, especially if he and Russell develop a chemistry and the other receivers can’t get healthy or stay healthy (DHB, Walker, Shields, Schilens)
July 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am
[...] NFL Network: Camp JaMarcus is on NFL Network: Camp JaMarcus is on According to the NFL Networks Jason LaCanfora, JaMarcus Russell made good on his promise to gather some of his receivers for a secret passing camp before the Raiders report for training camp on July 29. LaCanfora, a former Washington Post reporter who replaced Adam Schefter on the network, said Louis Murphy, Will Franklin and Todd Watkins to Alabama on Russells dime and that others could follow. Extending the effort is a good sign with regard to Russell. Its particularly bold statement from Murphy, a rookie who is not under contract and has no protection from injury. With a multi-million dollar contract on the line plus several weeks of hamstring issues, it would be an even bolder gamble by No. 1 pick Darrius Heyward-Bey. Other receivers who missed time due to injury at the final OTA were Chaz Schilens, Javon Walker and Arman Shields. By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer Thursday, July 9th, 2009 at 8:42 am in Oakland Raiders. NFL Network: Camp JaMarcus is on – Inside The Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the highl… [...]
July 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:36 am
potential & upside counts for nothing in this league.
Ask Ryan Leaf or Todd Marinovich …
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Or Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Matt Hasselback, Tony Romo, Aaron Rogers, Donavan McNabb, Troy Aikman, John Elway, Steve Young…….all QBs that didn’t hit the ground running in their first couple of years in the league. In fact, Rivers, Rogers and Romo didn’t even play their first 2 or 3 years in the league.
THE RAIDERS HAVE BEEN A BAD TEAM FOR 20 YEARS BECAUSE OF A SINGLE MINDED RELIANCE ON OLD VETERAN QBs
July 9th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Would have liked to see Schilens and Higgins attend.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:48 am
Let me say this again. Teams RARELY get rid of good QBs. Also, good QBs rarely go to poor teams.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:49 am
AZ Raider Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:47 am
Would have liked to see Schilens and Higgins attend.
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You wouldn’t necessarily know if they attended or not. Probably someone saw Murphy, Franklin and Watkins at the airport or on a hotel list or something.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Any Raider fan who wants to see Jeff Garcia at QB is either extremely stupid or so desperate for a 7-9 season that they are willing to give up any chance we have at being a contender for a season or two of mediocrity.
Like it or not (I actually like it) the fortune of the Raiders rests on JaMarcus.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Garcia had a tough time beating out Brian Griese last year.
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no he didn’t. Gruden put him in the doghouse because he signed a 2 year lowball offer to be their starting QB and after taking them to the playoffs and making the Pro Bowl in Year 1, he asked for more money …
Gruden liked to collect QB’s in Tampa. He had 5 there last offseason. We have 5 here this offseason. What’s the difference? is that a knock on Russell? If Russell starts on Week 1 people could assume “Russell had a tough time beating out Jeff Garcia that year.”
Is that fair or even accurate? No … it’s an assumption
July 9th, 2009 at 10:51 am
# SnB Defense Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:46 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:36 am
potential & upside counts for nothing in this league.
Ask Ryan Leaf or Todd Marinovich …
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Or Eli Manning, Philip Rivers, Drew Brees, Matt Hasselback, Tony Romo, Aaron Rogers, Donavan McNabb, Troy Aikman, John Elway, Steve Young…….all QBs that didn’t hit the ground running in their first couple of years in the league. In fact, Rivers, Rogers and Romo didn’t even play their first 2 or 3 years in the league.
THE RAIDERS HAVE BEEN A BAD TEAM FOR 20 YEARS BECAUSE OF A SINGLE MINDED RELIANCE ON OLD VETERAN QBs
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BINGO!
Nice work, SnB.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Let me say this again. Teams RARELY get rid of good QBs. Also, good QBs rarely go to poor teams.
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Chad Pennington
Brett Favre
Kerry Collins
Matt Cassel
Jay Cutler
Drew Brees
Kurt Warner
Matt Hasselback
Jake Delhomme
Shaun Hill
are you sure about that ???
July 9th, 2009 at 10:56 am
This Murphy kid is doing it for me though. I don’t know if any of you watch alot of Gator football, but they were one of my favorite college teams to watch along with Cal, Stanford and Ohio State. He wasnt the go to guy down there bu he could stretch the field well and has good hands.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Louis Murphy, Will Franklin and Todd Watkins to Alabama on Russell’s dime
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Would like to see the rest of the WR’s on the roster flown to Alabama on Javon Walker’s dime!
July 9th, 2009 at 11:04 am
Tough to get anything by Krappy? Who said that? Vegas? Dude, do you realize what you just wrote?
Getting facts over on ol Krappy is easier than slipping a Slim Jim into a bowl of grape Jell-o.
Simpler than throwing a catfish through truck tire.
Quicker than chasing a porcupine into a sports bar.
Get the point?
July 9th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Rockstar,
If Garcia was so awesome the Bucs would’ve kept him. Or contending teams desperate for a good QB (Vikings, Bears, Jets, etc.) would’ve been all over him. Keep in mind that when the Raiders signed him it was pre-Cutler trade, pre-Favre watch, pre-draft.
Garcia is pesky and you could definitely do a lot worse for a backup QB. But I kind of wish he would STFU about taking the job from JaMarcus. At what point does motivating and “lighting a fire” turn into sabotaging a young QB’s confidence?
July 9th, 2009 at 11:07 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Let me say this again. Teams RARELY get rid of good QBs. Also, good QBs rarely go to poor teams.
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Chad Pennington
Brett Favre
Kerry Collins
Matt Cassel
Jay Cutler
Drew Brees
Kurt Warner
Matt Hasselback
Jake Delhomme
Shaun Hill
are you sure about that ???
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LOL!!! I said rarely…not ever! And when I say veteran…let’s not get things mixed up. There is a difference between moving a youngish QB playing behind an established starter…and a veteran in his mid-30’s with only a couple of years in the tank!
Chad Pennington – The Dolphins have already announced he’s moving on after this year. Stop gap
Brett Favre – Would still be in Green Bay if not for his retirement antics…New York Jets are starting over
Kerry Collins – He’s the typical old vet…get you a decent year or two tops…what’s the Titans future in 2010
Kurt Warner – Yep….he fell through the cracks…but like Tennessee…what does the next 10 years hold for Arizona?
Cassel, Cutler, Brees, Hasselback, Delhomme were/are 20 something QBs with upside when they were signed by their new teams…or there were unique circumstances..Cassel played behind Brady…Cutler had a fight with his coach…
July 9th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Murphy is intriguing. I didn’t necessarily love him as a college player, but he has all the measureables and what looks like a good attitude. Remember the type of offense Florida ran, too. It was a lot of short passing, misdirection running. Deep passes really aren’t Tebow’s strength nor are they a big part of Urban Meyer’s offense. Those are all factors that may have held Murphy back from being a real star. Guess we’ll find out.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:09 am
I was watching the 87′ Bo Jackson game against Seattle last Sunday.
Marc Wilson was throwing a quite a few of those Rainbow Bombs to Lofton. On the money too. That’s the pass I’d like to see Russell & Co work on at his camp, he has trouble with that one.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Chris in NY Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 11:05 am
Rockstar,
If Garcia was so awesome the Bucs would’ve kept him. Or contending teams desperate for a good QB (Vikings, Bears, Jets, etc.) would’ve been all over him. Keep in mind that when the Raiders signed him it was pre-Cutler trade, pre-Favre watch, pre-draft.
Garcia is pesky and you could definitely do a lot worse for a backup QB. But I kind of wish he would STFU about taking the job from JaMarcus. At what point does motivating and “lighting a fire” turn into sabotaging a young QB’s confidence?
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Exactly….Garcia is just becoming a nuscance. Why does he need to “politic” in the media so much? Garcia so confident…then just go out and play.
I would have rather seen the Raiders go out and re-signed Josh McCown to be the backup. He works hard and all that stuff..but knows his role.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:14 am
If Garcia was so awesome the Bucs would’ve kept him.
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False. his contract was up and the Bucs purged a bunch of vets from the roster: Galloway, Dunn, Brooks, Cato June, Kevin Carter, Ike Hilliard, etc
They are rebuilding. new GM, new HC, new DC, rookie QB in the 1st round
The Bucs aren’t trying to win now, but they are definately trying to get younger
July 9th, 2009 at 11:15 am
# Raider O Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:02 am
QB: JR, Garcia, Frye
RB: DMC, Bush, Fargas
FB: OO if healthy, Reece
TE: Miller, Myer
WR: Walker, Chaz, JLH, DHB, Murphy, ?
OT: Mario, Barnes, Green, Pears
OG: Gallery, Cooper, Paul M…, ?
C: satele, Wade
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Raider O, you made we wonder quite a lot about your list..
first, in OTAs Tony Stewart was Russells best target.. Myer who the hell is he??, secondly, why OO and Reece when we signed Lorenzo Neal, my guess is OO wont be ready until week 6 maybe later, I think he will start on PUPlist..
Walker just needs to be cut, i dont like him taking spots from our future talents, when he still havent shown anything himself…
McQuistan should be cut aswell, he doesnt fit cables scheme, trade him or let him go, I dont care…
July 9th, 2009 at 11:24 am
LMN: I agree about OO’s injury
Walker & McQuistan have a lot to prove if they don’t make the team based on scholarship alone
McQ is competing at guard with Chris Morris, Mark Wilson, Marcus Johnson & the undrafted rookie Jon Compas
Walker hasn’t even seen the field yet!
July 9th, 2009 at 11:24 am
Hey Big Gay Euro, remember we discussed yesterday that you aren’t permitted to discuss american football strategy when your expertise is in techno music, croissants and the autobahn.
So let’s stop with the terrible lists, ridiculous predictions and overall frenchy euro-ness once and for all. Like I said, there must be a Jamie Oliver blog somewhere you can flame out on.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:26 am
RR,
Garcia is a great backup, but not a great starter. Too short, no arm, and runs around a lot.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Garcia is a great backup, but not a great starter. Too short, no arm, and runs around a lot.
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the question isn’t “should he start in Oakland?” the question is “is he starter quality?” my answer is YES and everybody keeps freaking out. I find it rather amusing. Nowhere in any of my posts did I say that Garcia was better or that Russell stinks. I guess anytime to praise a backup it threatens a starter?
Then why is everybody nuts over Michael Bush? He’s another starter quality backup …
July 9th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Bwhahaaha, LOL, was Medvedev drunk??? great stuff
July 9th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Jerry,
Why don’t you ban this Beecham character. Check his posts out. Never anything about football. Nothing but personal insults
July 9th, 2009 at 11:32 am
RRS…
I hope you agree about the Lorenzo Neal part aswell?
July 9th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Jerry,
Why don’t you ban this KrappyKell character. He cut and pastes lame articles taking up blog bandwith, takes too many meds and argues incoherently with real raider fans, craps his pants every hour on the hour and frequently sticks his head in the microwave instead of his Hot Pocket.
After you’re done with him Jerry, there’s a certain high school kid named Charged Down I’d like to talk to you about …
July 9th, 2009 at 11:55 am
I hope you agree about the Lorenzo Neal part as well?
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I don’t see Marcel Reece making the team. It’ll be interesting to see how well Loneal fits in the zbs, which relies more eavily on speed and cut blocking than brute strength. Also have to catch passes out of the backfield. Luke Lawton might be the wildcard. He got much better as the season progressed and he picked up the zbs. He entered OTA’s as the starter and I don’t know that Neal ever beat him out as of yet. Lorenzo must be kept for leadership and a locker room presence if nothing else. This might be an exciting position battle, especially if Gary Russell enters the mix at FB. you know AD loves Super Bowl champs!
July 9th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Lorenzo will help this team a lot!
July 9th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Will Walker even be ready to play?, it seems like this guy has been hurt since the vegas incident. How long has it been since he has practiced?
July 9th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Al’s mistakes since he turned 75, seem to be getting more and moe erratic.
Shell/Walsh
Lane Kiffin/Overhead projector
DeAngelo Hall
Javon Walker
July 9th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
Raider O Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 10:02 am
QB: JR, Garcia, Frye
RB: DMC, Bush, Fargas
FB: OO if healthy, Reece
TE: Miller, Myer
WR: Walker, Chaz, JLH, DHB, Murphy, ?
OT: Mario, Barnes, Green, Pears
OG: Gallery, Cooper, Paul M…, ?
C: satele, Wade
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Reece?? What about Lorenzo???
July 9th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
RaiderRockstar,
I would say that Garcia is a stop-gap quality at this point in his career. A good back-up QB.
I find his public lobbying for the job tiring and almost childish. He does not bring the long-term stability a young rebuilding team like the Raiders need. His talents are a questionable match for the offense the Raiders are trying to run.
A good starter quality is a guy that can start 16 games and get the team into the playoffs. Garcia is not that guy anymore. He proved that last year.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
beeecham Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Jerry,
Why don’t you ban this KrappyKell character. He cut and pastes lame articles taking up blog bandwith, takes too many meds and argues incoherently with real raider fans, craps his pants every hour on the hour and frequently sticks his head in the microwave instead of his Hot Pocket.
After you’re done with him Jerry, there’s a certain high school kid named Charged Down I’d like to talk to you about …
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My g@d B!tchHam, every time I look at this site your are crying about your man crush KoolKell. I have never seen a man so obsessed about another man in my life. I ti s wores than Madden on Favre!!
July 9th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
LMN & RR,
There are reasons for that list:
1- walker restructured his contract so we can’t cut him this year. It costs more to cut him than keeping him.
2- why keep 2 TEs and not 3? Maybe because Reece can play both TE and FB. IMHO
3- Paul: you got me there, no reason. Just pure hope.
4- LN is 40, and he maynit makethe team.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
He may not make the team. Sorry.
Raccoon,
I said if OO was healthy, if not then LN and Reece.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
A good starter quality is a guy that can start 16 games and get the team into the playoffs. Garcia is not that guy anymore. He proved that last year.
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Tampa was 1 game away from the playoffs. Their defense folded like a tend after the Monte Kiffin to TN rumors started and he quit on them, just like Lane quit on us. Even so, Garcia is only 1 year removed from not only the playoffs, but a pro bowl. The Bucs were idiots. Ronde Barber had his teammates over to celebrate a playoff birth before they even played against us. They figured it was an easy W. Before you start all that Russell topped Garcia in Week 17 BS, imagine what that game would have looked like had Carnell Williams not gotten injured and Michael Bush carrying the load. Those are the two biggest factors in that game. not QB play. Without Bush, Tom Cable might not have a job. Jon Gruden might also still have a HC job
July 9th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
tent. not “tend”
sorry. typo!
July 9th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Nick Miller
COLLEGE: Set program records for single-game, single-season, and career kickoff return yardage at Southern Utah…Named the 2008 Great West Conference special teams Player of the Year as a senior…Led the nation (FCS) in all-purpose yards…Returned 49 kickoffs for 993 yards and 24 punts for 384 yards and a touchdown…Ranked second on the team with 55 receptions for 763 yards and three touchdowns…Had 35 receptions for 433 yards and a touchdown as a junior…Also had 41 kickoff returns for 914 yards…Transferred from Scottsdale (Ariz.) CC, where he caught 20 balls for 400 yards and four touchdowns in 2006…Criminal Justice major.
PERSONAL: First team all-region wide receiver and defensive back at Red Mountain (Mesa, Ariz.) High School…Second team all-state honoree and a first team All-Tribune selection at DB…Racked up 656 receiving yards, eight touchdowns, and intercepted five passes in his senior year…Also lettered in baseball and track.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
RR,
I like Reece, he can be our FB/ TE!
July 9th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Raider O…
so you just ignore that Russells best target in OTA was Tony Stewart???
and you would rather keep a WR that wont see the ball a single time to save money??? no doubt this team is in the gutter…
July 9th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Raider O Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
He may not make the team. Sorry.
Raccoon,
I said if OO was healthy, if not then LN and Reece.
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Yer breakin my heart O! Lorenzo has been my favorite non Raider player for a long time. He would bring a toughness we have not seen since John Richie
July 9th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
# Raider O Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
RR,
I like Reece, he can be our FB/ TE!
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I like Reece as well, problem is, he still is a project, he havent shown anything as of now, Tony Stewart was a mash hit in OTAs and still is the man on ST…
July 9th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn’t Reece like 6′1″ and 225 lbs?? WR?
July 9th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Too short for TE, too light for FB Too slow for WR.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Tampa Bay Game:
Russell 98.9 passer rating.
Garcia 74.9 passer rating.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
LMN,
OTAs are nothing, dont tell much, and there is no contact.
Stewart was playing cause Miller was hurt.
Walker will not see a single ball!!! Interesting!!! Based on what??
July 9th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
I think when National Reporters do stories on the Raiders, they research the local beat. I think a lot of the parroting negativity against Russell stems from Jerry’s skeptisism.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Rockstar:
Week 17 Stats:
Garcia: 17/33 257yds 51% 1TD 1INT 75 Rating
Russell: 14/21 148yds 67% 2TDs 1INT 99 Rating
One QB throws an INT and calmly tells his teammates to “Chill, we got this” and proceeds to lead the team to another score.
The other QB is apologizing to fans for losing 4 in a row and is promptly released.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Reece is listed at 6′3 240.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
Chris O’niell is like 6′2″ and 250lbs and can catch and run. Give him a shot at FB??
My hope is OO comes back to what he was.!!
OO and Neal would make one heck of a FB crew,
4th and inches on the 1. Neal behind OO, Bush in as second TE, MacDaddy split wide… OOOOO it’s a pitch to Z. Miller for the TS!!
July 9th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
TD
July 9th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Raider O…
LOL OTAs is nothing, well Russell have only connected with Reece a handful times, and that why he should be rewarded a spot?? somthings wack!
July 9th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Raider O Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Reece is listed at 6′3 240.
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Sorry bro that is a farce, I go to camp every year I know what 6′3″ 240 looks like, Reece ain’t!! If he eats his Wheaties, and you give him and inch or so… maybe in a year or two…
July 9th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
LMN,
So you assume that my opinion was based on OTAs?!
July 9th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
One QB throws an INT and calmly tells his teammates to “Chill, we got this” and proceeds to lead the team to another score.
The other QB is apologizing to fans for losing 4 in a row and is promptly released.
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look at the season stats for each player and how each team finished in the W/L column
July 9th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Raccoon,
I didn’t make it up sir, it’s listed on the Raiders site and others.
July 9th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
O, I know, I just seen it, but like I say FARCE!
July 9th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
if all you guys think Jeff Garcia is trash and Russell is poised for a breakout year, why are you so worried about him beating out Russell for the starter job?
it doesn’t matter what the media, other Raider fans or even the players themselves say.
what matters is production on the football field…
If Russell doesn’t provide that in the first 7-10 games and the Raiders still have a shot at the playoffs, Garcia will be inserted in the starting lineup, create a spark and lead this team to victory like the 2006 Eagles, taking over for a struggling McNabb
Garcia isn’t a clipboard holder and we knew that when we signed him. he’s a player. an insurance policy of sorts
July 9th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
JaMarcus Russell: 9 gms with an 80 or higher QB rating
Jeff Garcia: 7 gms with an 80 or higher QB rating
Jeff Garcia: Benched for games 2,3 & 4 due to poor play
July 9th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Raccoon,
So did he shrink in the heat??! lol
July 9th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
RR,
I’m not worried!
July 9th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Rockstar,
The coverage on JaMarcus Russell has been unfair…IMO…How is it that Brady Quinn and Kyle Orton are considered better prospects when their 2008 numbers were far inferior. Even those that are saying the Jets will be ok with Mark Sanchez, and he hasn’t played a down.
The media wants to see Russell fail so that they can laugh at Al Davis.
Some Raider fans want to see Garcia start because they have never seen a young QB developed before.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
JR will start every game this season, if he doesn’t get injured.
Walker will play, or end up on IR.
Walter will not make the final roster.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Jeff Garcis does not equal Rich Gannon….LOL
July 9th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Jeff Garcia: Benched for games 2,3 & 4 due to poor play
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Russell should have been benched AT LEAST 3 games for poor play, but we gave him a pass due to inexperience
July 9th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Russell should have been benched AT LEAST 3 games for poor play, but we gave him a pass due to inexperience
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What was Garcia’s excuse?
July 9th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
I like Huff a lot, but I’m ready to give up on him.
I want Burgess to be traded for a DT, a great SLB, or a draft pick.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
# Raider O Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
LMN,
So you assume that my opinion was based on OTAs?!
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Not at all, but to select Reece above Stewart is to me lunacy, Reece have still to show ANYTHING why we have him, all he is is a prospect and Stewart is clearly the next best TE on our roster, if (god forbid) miller went down, our pass game would be at standstill, WE NEED STEWART! Reece would be great if e could be #3 so he could push Stewart our next season, but as of nw Reece has done nothing…
July 9th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Run the ball, PA, and the deep pass.
I love what this offense can do, if the Oline plays well.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
I’m glad to see Russell is holding his little passing camp. What’s disappointing is he is working with 3 guys who probably see no significant playing time this year. Where is Chazz and JLH?
Work ethic? Just sad to see the only WRs showing up are guys who know they have to try anything to avoid getting cut.
BTW – Why don’t the Raiders and Murphy’s agent get a deal done to protect the kid? It’s a 4th rd no-effort contract.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Some Raider fans want to see Garcia start because they have never seen a young QB developed before.
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Some Raider fans want to see Garcia start because they see that the Raiders have a lot of weapons on offense and fear Russell may not give us enough bang for the buck. You got a former pro bowler who has great leadership qualities and is hungry for a chance to prove he’s not washed up in his own home state, with a QB coach he’s familiar with
Al Davis wants to win now. He’s 80 years old … he doesn’t care another the future of the franchise. He may not be around long enough to see it
July 9th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Jeff Garcia: Benched for games 2,3 & 4 due to poor play
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Russell should have been benched AT LEAST 3 games for poor play, but we gave him a pass due to inexperience
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“You don’t need to listen to everyone with an opinion, but when Peyton Manning speaks, you have to remember it’s coming from someone who was on a miserable 1-15 team, and who went 3-13 his first year.”
YOU DON’T LEARN FROM THE BENCH! Jeff Garcia is in his 80th year in the league. Him getting benched is no where near the same thing as a 23 yr old Qb starting his 1st season
July 9th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
if you gave Al Davis these options:
Garcia, 9-7 playoff team
Russell, 6-10 but improvement is made and shows flashes of being a star down the road. pro bowl potential and franchise QB, etc etc
he’d take the wins and a shot at the title, even though most of you might not
July 9th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Good job, Jamarcus. This is the leadership quality I am looking for. There’s nothing wrong with a good QB fight in camp! Jamarcus is the starter unless he looks bad. I’m rooting for #2 to lead us into 2009!
July 9th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Hey, O, LMN, RR, kk,
The last 2 years writers, critics & fans here wailed about getting JR playing time. NOW some want him benched for Jeffy? Who gets paid the most, that’s who’s playing, sorry. We still need Oline & Dline.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
LMN,
He played 9 yrs in the NFL, and has 66 catches!! 66!!!
Is your opinion based of OTAs only?
Last year he started 4 games, played most of the season and had 11 catches? Why should we keep him? Because he did well in OTAs?!
July 9th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
Al Davis wants to win now. He’s 80 years old … he doesn’t care another the future of the franchise. He may not be around long enough to see it
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That’s what I say about him, selfish, selfish, selfish, like old people get.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Without a doubt Garcia is the better QB RIGHT NOW but that being said, clamouring for him to start is idiotic. Russell is the future good or bad. This team has too many holes to think Garcia will be the next Plunkett or Gannon. These young guys need to grow on the field.
Garcia isn’t going to lead this team to the Super Bowl. He’s a solid QB but if he couldn’t lead the Bucs in 07 or 08 to anything he isn’t leading this rabble anywhere.
Let Russell show what he can do.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Hey COW!!
good to see ya!
July 9th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
S&B: Peyton Manning’s numbers his rookie year weren’t very similar to Russell’s – so why compare them?
If Russell had any similarities to Manning at all we wouldn’t have the need for a guy like Garcia and we wouldn’t be talking about who should start at QB …
July 9th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Some Raider fans want to see Garcia start because they have never seen a young QB developed before.
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Some Raider fans want to see Garcia start because they see that the Raiders have a lot of weapons on offense and fear Russell may not give us enough bang for the buck. You got a former pro bowler who has great leadership qualities and is hungry for a chance to prove he’s not washed up in his own home state, with a QB coach he’s familiar with
Al Davis wants to win now. He’s 80 years old … he doesn’t care another the future of the franchise. He may not be around long enough to see it
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Derek Anderson is a former Pro-Bowler too. Don’t see anyone jumping at the chance to sign him!
What leadership skills does Garcia have? Did that leadership get a 9-3 team into the playoffs….LOL….Why did Tampa dump him?…..LOL If Garcia couldn’t get a team like Tampa to the playoffs…how is he going to get this team to the playoffs….LOL
Russell gives the Raiders plenty. Some Raider fans realize that Russell gives the Raiders the best opportunity to win now and into the future. If Al Davis is doing some all or nothing because he’s 80…then we might as well call it quits now….
Avg Points Scored with Left Tackle
Mario Henderson: 26 ppg (5gms)
Kwame Harris: 12 ppg (11gms)
July 9th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Coach on Wheels Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Without a doubt Garcia is the better QB RIGHT NOW
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I’m not so sure about that. Russell’s last 7 games averaged a 91 passer rating.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
TW,
JR in his 1st year as a starter, he did better than:
1- peyton M
2- Troy A
3- John E
He also had 13 TDs and 8 INTs. I’ll take a QB who his 1st year throws more TDs than picks with no real weapons at WR, over any other QB in the NFL now!!! Yes All the other QBs in the NFL!!
July 9th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
LMN,
Did you read post 139? 66 catches in 9 years!!
July 9th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Raider O…
whatever, of course Stewart doesnt have many starts, he is TE2 and ST player…he played all 32 games for us, Reece still hasnt been on the field to my knowledge..
if we chose Reece over stewart cable should get a sex-change… its lunacy to pick reece over stewart…
July 9th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
And he had no help from the Oline, and problems with staff cause of the Kittin.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
LMN,
“whatever”!!!! lol
Are you from the Valley?
July 9th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
Coach on Wheels Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Without a doubt Garcia is the better QB RIGHT NOW but that being said, clamouring for him to start is idiotic. Russell is the future good or bad. This team has too many holes to think Garcia will be the next Plunkett or Gannon. These young guys need to grow on the field.
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I think Russell is the better QB RIGHT NOW. That’s what I am saying. Russell was not the reason the team was 5-11.
Had the Raiders had the defense of the Ravens…Russell would lauded like Joe Flacco. If Russell had Henderson the whole year…..he would have had a much better season…everyone around here likes to watch tape….watch how bad Kwame Harris was for this offense…..Ashlie Lelie, Ronald Curry, Javon Walker….really….Schilens and JLH combine for 5TDS in the last 3 weeks.
Giving up on Russell for Garcia…with all the improvements from last year..would be like eating the golden goose in lieu of just collecting the eggs…
July 9th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
It is well documented I’m no Russell fan but I’m also fair. People who talk about the “weapons” on offense are living a fantasy. In the last 7 years the Raidershave had ONE decent weapon on offense – Zack Miller.
Russell had JACK SPIT to work with last year and unless some of your wet dreams become reality he will have more of the same this year.
RB – Fargas – No big play ability
DMAC – No consistency / injury issues
Bush – Averages less than 4 yards per carry vs teams not TB
Miller – The lone bright spot
Walker / Lelie / Curry – All basicly out of the NFL
Chazz – A Tim Brown in the making or the next Curry / Porter tease?
JLH – More James Jett than Cliff Branch so far
DHB – The next Randy Moss or Ahman Shields?
O-line – Two new starting OT and a new C for a reason.
2008 – “Javon Walker is a weapon and DMAC woo-hoo”
2007 – “Russell will start and Curry woo-hoo”
2006 – “Jordan, Moss, Curry, Porter – weapons woo-hoo”
Russell is potential surrounded by other unproven potential. Oh and the defense stank last year and upgraded by adding a 2nd string SS woo-hoo.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Afternoon Nation
July 9th, 2009 at 1:46 pm
and if Davis takes Garcia at 9-7 over a 6-10 Russell that gets better….then this franchise is doomed.
Do you really want to see Derek Anderson or J.P Losman or Rex Grossman as the QB in 2010? Because that’s what happens if Garcia plays for any reason other than injury.
Not to worry…Russell is going to do just fine in 2009
July 9th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
He also had 13 TDs and 8 INTs. I’ll take a QB who his 1st year throws more TDs than picks with no real weapons at WR…
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You got that right O except all I remember from the 1st & 2nd yr from JR is confusion & THE FREAKIN’ FUMBLES!!!
They fix that we got a winner. still need Oline.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Michael Smith of ESPN just said that JaMarcus will not only finish the season as the starter but he said that JaMarcus would finish strong. He went on to say “Remember I said this..JaMarcus WILL HAVE A BREAKOUT SEASON!”
Finally someone with some sense on BSPN.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Woo hoo!!!!
July 9th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
RAider O..
we have no valleys at these parts…
but what you are saying is like picking Pears over Carlisle… it WONT happen… i just tried to point it out, but if you are so sure, its hard to make you see that its wrong, all i can see is “whatever” because only when the 53man roster is done will you see how wrong, because if OTAs doesnt count in your mind or the last 2 season for that matter, i can only assume you doesnt count camp as something…
Stewart and Russell have been really good together for these 2 years, not as good as Miller, but Stewart has clearly been Russells 2nd best target, and thats counting the WRs into the mix….
July 9th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
“finally someone with some sense on BSPN”
LMAO
July 9th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Mario Henderson is not a new starter this year.
Any Running Back that gains 177 yds in one game is above average.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
COW,
The weapons have been overhyped in Oakland for a long time. However, the difference this year, is that the roster is full of young players who flashed some brilliance last year…the old vets past their prime are expected to be backups…old vets like Garcia, Walker, Cornell Green, Justin Fargas…..
Guys like Henderson, JLH, Schilens, Murphy, DHB, Miller, DMAC, Bush, Russell, Gallery, Satele is enough to make some noise this year if the coaching can get them together and utilize them properly.
People rave about Garcia….the best signing for this offense was Lorenzo Neal. Pairing him with DMAC and Bush is going to be scary….and Neal can help in pass protection….
July 9th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
Coach on Wheels Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
RB – Fargas – No big play ability
DMAC – No consistency / injury issues
Bush – Averages less than 4 yards per carry vs teams not TB
Miller – The lone bright spot
Walker / Lelie / Curry – All basicly out of the NFL
Chazz – A Tim Brown in the making or the next Curry / Porter tease?
JLH – More James Jett than Cliff Branch so far
DHB – The next Randy Moss or Ahman Shields?
O-line – Two new starting OT and a new C for a reason.
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Who is this D**che Bag?
-DMAC inconsistant and injury prone? Don’t think he had any injury issues until he switched from Addidas to Nike. Then our rediculous training staff, and/or coaching staff played him hurt which kept him at IMO 65-70% all year.
-Bush 4 yds per carry except TB? Lets look back at the KC game too (over 170 yards rushing) Not to mention he was only getting like 10 touches a game with Fargas and DMAC in the mix.
I’ll stop there…but you know your a DB.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
At the risk of sounding like a Charger fan, I say use Michael Bush like Natrone Means and DMAC like Ronnie Harmon.
July 9th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
LMN
Are you a fan of the Raiders or do you just enjoy fukking with all of the Raider fans?
Honest question.
Being a Raider fan is more than just wearing a Raider hat and then jumping on the bash bandwagon. Almost every one of your posts show nothing but disdain and anger toward the Raider organization. Do you want them to win or not? Plus it seems that you always must piss on other’s optimism even to the point of saying that you don’t like someone just because of THEIR optimism.
Just because you have a negative outlook doesn’t mean that everyone else must be mired in negativity such as yourself.
I usually like interacting with you, but lately you have been nothing but a dik to people.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
At the risk of sounding like a Charger fan, I say use Michael Bush like Natrone Means and DMAC like Ronnie Harmon.
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Yes! Bush should get 15 to 20 carries each game…
DMAC…10 to 15 carries and some catches out of the backfield.
Fargas….spot duty
July 9th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Raider O Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Raccoon,
So did he shrink in the heat??! lol
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No, just your typical over-statment in size/weight by the Raiders PR. I think they try to make a guys size match the posisition.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
if all you guys think Jeff Garcia is trash and Russell is poised for a breakout year, why are you so worried about him beating out Russell for the starter job?
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r u serious? aint noone scared about Garcia boi, there just needs to be some type of balance, c-sense manifested to the nonsense outthere, thats it. same with AD. rarely does a poster ending up defending him brings AD into the discussions first, they are just forced to because of the level of stupid, moronic insults and neg assumptions.
the guy completed 11 straight passes in a real game only idiots care about Garcias PT the way JR comes along. or who his main target was during situational practises, like the über-schwuchtel LMN
July 9th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Michael Smith of ESPN just said that JaMarcus will not only finish the season as the starter but he said that JaMarcus would finish strong. He went on to say “Remember I said this..JaMarcus WILL HAVE A BREAKOUT SEASON!”
Finally someone with some sense on BSPN.
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Dogg: I saw that too. Smith said Russell might have a surprisingly big year, he didn’t quite say “JaMarcus WILL HAVE A BREAKOUT SEASON!”
He did say “I’m ready to say I told you so”
Then Marcellus Wiley said “I’m pulling for him” regarding Russell after picking Garcia to start more games in 2009
compared Russell & Garcia to Rob Johnson & Doug Flutie in Buffalo. LOL
July 9th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
NO WAY Bush should get more carries than DMac. You guys are putting too much on one game.
Dmac should get the majority of the workoad. We are not talking about a little guy like Reggie Bush. Dmac is 6′2 210, and more than capable of handling an NFL load. Bush should get 10 carries or so per game, and really have more of an impact in the 4th qtr AFTER we get a nice lead.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
Dogg
I don’t recall you ever being the target of so-called “Real Faider Fans”
July 9th, 2009 at 2:08 pm
excuse me Real Raider Fans.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Good to see that Russell has kept his word, and is holding these workouts. I wonder if any of the Running Backs made the trip, to work on any of the short routes that Jerry and other reporters took such glee in stating that Russell was mis-firing badly those at the OTA’s
July 9th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
KK
Please elaborate
July 9th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
RR
So I used a little creative license, you get the point.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
LMN,
I’m not so sure my friend, but that’s my opinion. I’m not an Ex player, Coach, or anything like that. I’m just a fan, I like some players more than others.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
fumble fingers..
Meant to say: Russell was mis-firing badly ON those ROUTES at the OTA’s..
July 9th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
RaiderDOGG…
hmmm Im a fan, but our team is like a typewriter in the computerage… am not bashing the team, im bashing the organization….
im bashing these guys that each come in here “we ahve the best team, we will win 10 games” and so on, then us the realist say, we cant see it, and then we get called out… I hope of course im wrong, but no evidence here to show im not..
the Raider O thing, i just dont get, a guy that never played a single NFL since he was drafted, over a guy that has played well for us in 32 games… Stewart is clearly the better TE than Reece, its obvious
Im a fan, but my patience have been used up, my faith is gone no doubt about it… I hope by God Russell will start, if not its even harder to believe the organization…
July 9th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
JHill,
I would like for Tom Cable to watch some games of Carolina and Tennessee for ideas on how to use these two running backs…Throw in some Giants games too.
I would like to see DMAC and Bush both average 15 carries a game…with one getting more carries depending on how the game flows.
Maybe the bruising physical games in the mud…play Bush….maybe games where Oakland is able to stretch the field…see more DMAC….
I don’t think 10 carries is enough for any one of these backs to be truly effective.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
S&B compares Russell to Peyton Manning, Wiley compares him to Rob Johnson. LOL
quite a difference imo
July 9th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
LMN
I understand your perspective. Sorry that you have lost all faith in this team. I sure haven’t. I hope that one day, sooner than later, our team gives you a reason to be hopeful.
I still think you are a good dude with excellent taste in music.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Any questioning of Raider decisions paints the poster as a Hater, regardless of motives. You then become a target of the goons, which in turn breeds hostility.
On the other hand if “I’m in” on every decision, you don’t experience that.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
LMN,
You shouldn’t be so sure yourself. Time will show us both!
If Stewart is so good then why did we draft another TE, then signed a few more?
July 9th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Shouldn’t over think it SnB. Put the best players on the field. The creativity might be getting both of them on the field together in the backfield. But to just toss DMac in the slot and allow a corner to match up with him would not be taking full advantage of the siutation, IMO.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Dogg…
you likewise =)
July 9th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
I would like for Tom Cable to watch some games of Carolina and Tennessee for ideas on how to use these two running backs…Throw in some Giants games too.
I would like to see DMAC and Bush both average 15 carries a game…with one getting more carries depending on how the game flows.
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Cable doesn’t like a RB by committee approach. He said “none of the RB’s get a real feel for the game”
better just hope Fargas isn’t still on scholarship!
July 9th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Jerry Mac…
I noticed your pal, Steve Corkran’s name on the byline on that SPORTING NEWS piece that was posted earlier here.
Does this mean he is no longer with the C.C.TIMES?, and if so, does this mean there will be room in the budget for you to go on ALL of the road trips this year?
July 9th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
KK
I see, nice little “I’m In” dig btw. As you probably know I am a pretty positive/optimistic guy, but I am also realistic.
I just can’t relate to the constant pessimism that many “fans” seem to have. I know that the Raiders have been struggling for a while and it pains me.
I have never once questioned your love for the Raiders, I know how old school you are. Plus you present both sides most of the time, I have seen optimistic and pessimistic posts from you. Something that is much more relatable than just being negative all of the time. Just like when people are just blindly optimistic all the time, I can’t relate.
Does this make any sense to you or am I just rambling?
Am I a “Real Raider Fan”? Damn right.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Raider O…
its rather obvious, because he is in his 9th year, Stewart and Miller will need to mentor a new 2nd TE…
why did we get a TE this year when we had Reece? thats my question, is why did we get Chris O’neill when we had Reece??
Reece and Strong was added to the PT last season and still we got a new TE… why the hots for a tiny TE like Reece, he is 6-2,240, not nearly enough….
That said, he is btw listed as a FB, so why yuo brought him up as a TE is beyond me…
July 9th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Rockstar, JHill,
Its unfortunate that the fanbase has to be this concerend whether a 4th overall pick will get the ball enough…
and whether a 4th round / should have been 1st rounder….who rushed for 90yds…177yds…and caught 7 passes for 80 yds in 3 separate games will get any meaningful touches….oh…and the Buffalo gm Bush had 14 carries for 48 yds…pedestrian numbers???? yes…but matches the 3.9yds per carry that the starter gave us all year.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
LMN
Have you ever listened to the album “Dub Side of the Moon” by the Easy Star All-Stars? I have a feeling that you would like it…
http://www.easystar.com/releases/show/2
July 9th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
see y’all tomorrow!
enjoyed the convo
have a nice one
July 9th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
RRS…
yup, take care!
July 9th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
I hear ya Dogg. Nevertheless, I’m attacked and stalked in here daily by people who appoint themselves the keeper of the faith.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
LMN,
Now you are telling me what I said!!
I listed him as backup FB on the O’s roster. And then said he can play FB/ TE.
You have selective reading, but I will not hold that aginst you.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Raider O…
so you did, but why have you then defended him as a TE? and why the hell would you pick Myer over Stewart?? doesnt compute…
July 9th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
KK
Stick to your guns and stay true to yourself, I would expect nothing less. Anyone that doesn’t understand that, needs to open their eyes a bit wider and be honest with themselves.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
-Dogg…
bwhahahaa, maaaaan, i need to download this asap =)
July 9th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
LMN
It is actually very good, especially if you like reggae. It’s as if they have a software program that converted Dark Side to reggae style.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
I’m not concerned at all, SnB. I’m pretty confident that DMac is going to get a HEAVY workload this season. I’m not on the Fargas hate bandwagon like a lot of folks, so I don’t have a problem with him as a backup. Should Bush get more carries than Fargas? I would say absolutely. But if he doesn’t, I can accept the coaches decision that Fargas beat him out. In the bigger scheme of things, the backup RB, be it Bush or Fargas, is not going to be the make or break factor in us winning the division.
QB – JRuss
HB – DMac
FB – Neal
WR – Schillens
WR – JLH
TE – Miller
LT – Henderson
LG – Gallery
C – Satele
RG – Carlisle
RT – Barnes
Bush, DHB, and Murphy will all come off the bench, if you will, and contribute as well.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
-dogg
well, i DO like Raggae =)
July 9th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
Bush should be starting each game behind Russell in 2 TE sets with Schilens and McFadden out wide. Pound the rock, run some WR screens and watch Miller get wide open down the middle! After a Quater of that Get Dmac in the backfield with 3 WR sets, Schilens, Walker/JLH, and DHB. Run the rock outside baby and set up that play action for DHB deep! I’m tellin you guys I should be calling plays for this team LOL!
July 9th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
R Dog, have you heard Louis Wright & the wrongs? They do a bluegrass version of P Floyd. I hate BlueG but I love Floyd. It’s almost funny hearing bluegrass of Lunatic on the grass, lol.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
It was really amazing how STARK the difference was between Harris and Henderson.
It’s also amazing how a O-line coach could be so wrong.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
LMN
I figured you liked reggae
RaiderTW
I own that cd, it’s good stuff. I am not the hugest bluegrass fan either but there are several collections called “Pickin’ On” where they do the bluegrass treatment of bands from Lynyrd Skynyrd to Linkin Park. It’s entertaining to hear music that you know very well re-interpreted in another style. It makes bluegrass much more tolerable.
Pickin’ On Jimi Hendrix is classic.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
I hear ya Dogg. Nevertheless, I’m attacked and stalked in here daily by people who appoint themselves the keeper of the faith.
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You mean B!tchHam
July 9th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Hendrix, hahaha, I can imagine.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
But Harris was making 5 mil, Henderson, chump change.
I gotta believe that was Al Davis’ call.
And as fans we always have to be careful of what other interference may come down from on high.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
ohh well, im going to watch sundays episode of TopGear man they are funny =)
see ya fellas =)
July 9th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
B1tcham, 666, HayzeDaze, Priest.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
KK
Don’t forget how wrong Lane Kiffin appears to be about Henderson as well. He basically called Henderson a bust in so many words and here he is fighting for a starting LT spot.
Henderson may not be All Pro caliber but he is far from a bust. Harris on the other hand, well we all know what he is capable of and how wrong Cable was about him. Maybe Cable was enamored with his IQ and thought that he could translate that into football IQ and in turn good LT play.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
LMN
Have a good one bro, let me know what you think of that Dub Side of the Moon…
July 9th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Gary “Nesta” Pine (of the Wailers), great! Have you heard the Out of Phase covers of P Floyd? Electronic.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
I think of the Raiders as comparable to a family member. You can talk as much sh1t as you want about them but if someone else does “Those are fighting words”.
That seems to be the mentality with most fans in general.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
I think Kwame Harris alone cost us the first half of the season.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Jerrah, did you know you were being copy&pasted into another blog? Even your typos. Somewhat amusing.
July 9th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
TW
Yes I have heard that as well as the symphonic Floyd music. All good stuff.
I take it that you are a big Floyd fan. If so you should look into that Dub Side of the Moon as well.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
LMN,
I can’t help you there. If it doesn’t compute, then maybe you should get a faster and better processor. lol
July 9th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
I’m out for now.
Good talking to you guys and I hope that you all have an excellent day.
I’m In (That’s for you KK)
July 9th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
4th and 1 at SD 1 (5:35) M.Bush left tackle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN NULLIFIED by Penalty. 0 15
PENALTY on OAK-C.Green, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at SD 1 – No Play.
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2nd and 4 at MIA 4 (2:56) PENALTY on OAK-K.Harris, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at MIA 4 – No Play.
2nd and 9 at MIA 9 (2:30) D.McFadden sacked at MIA 14 for -5 yards (M.Roth).
3rd and 14 at MIA 14 (2:00) (Shotgun) PENALTY on OAK-K.Harris, False Start, 5 yards, enforced at MIA 14 – No Play.
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4th and 10 at KC 25 (12:09) (Field Goal formation) S.Lechler FUMBLES (Aborted) at KC 33, RECOVERED by KC-M.Leggett at KC 33. M.Leggett for 67 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
I am with you KK. The Raiders have sucked for a long, long time. One SB loss in 25 years is not living up to the high expectations that Al Davis has created for his team. I find it pitiful how some Raiders’ fans think that claiming “at least we are not the Cardinals (or Browns or Lions etc etc etc)” makes everything okay, lol. That is pathetic. Can you imagine Yankees’ fans or Lakers’ fans claiming that a 25 year title drought was okay and at least we are not the Royals or the Clippers? Sad.
Al wants the Raiders to be held up as the team of the decades that has a commitment to excellence, the will to win and does anything to just win baby…but his words have turned into a joke over the last quarter century of poor football. He wants his organization to be the best, and it has not been the best for 25 years and he is the man calling the shots. Those claiming that the past 25 years are not that bad when compared to schit franchises like the Cards, Lions and Browns really demonstrate just how far Al Davis has sunk the Raiders since he last tasted success. His legacy is being slowly eroded away, much like that of a player that has held on too long before retiring.
Hopefully, Al can get another SB trophy before he dies, but I find that highly unlikely given his performance over the past 25 years. Things are starting to look up right now, but we are nowhere near being a SB contender…but we have fallen so far that now some fans think that just going 8-8 would be some kind of great moral victory for Al Davis…how depressing.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:09 pm
Yes, I am & a big Bob Marley fan too. I’ll look for Dub Side tomorrow for sure.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Dakota #220
Couldn’t agree more or said it better.
And then some argue, that Al Davis can run the team into the ground if he wants to, it’s his team and he deserves to do whatever he wants.????????
July 9th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
It was really amazing how STARK the difference was between Harris and Henderson.
It’s also amazing how a O-line coach could be so wrong.
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Yeah…the differences were huge. Cable appears to be a loyal to a fault type of coach. Harris was his reclamation project.
Harris definitely cost the Raiders the San Diego game…for sure! Green had costly penalties in several games.
Hopefully Cable learned his lesson from last year. He almost got himself fired sticking with these below average (do-right) guys. In fact, had Michael Bush (in the Cable doghouse) not played in Tampa, or better yet…had Fargas not been injured…..we might be talking about Coach Fassel or Coach Gilbride right now.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
We’d definitely be trying to figure out Gilbride or Fassel right now.
That’s why however optimistic we might feel right now. You never know when Al’s other foot might drop.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
SnB
We talked about the adverse effects of all the instability over the last 20 yrs.
Why do you think we’ve had all the instability?
July 9th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
1. Russell (QB)
2. Garcia (QB)
3. Frye (QB)
4. McFadden (RB)
5. Bush (RB)
6. Rankin (RB)
7. O’Neal (FB)
8. Neal (FB)
9. Z.Miller (TE)
10. Myers (TE)
11. Henderson (OT)
12. Barnes (OT)
13. Pears (OT)
14. Green (OT)
15. Gallery (OG)
16. Carlisle (OG)
17. McQuistan (OG)
18. M.Wilson (OG)
19. Satele (C)
20. Wade (C)
21. Heywood-Bey (WR)
22. Schillens (WR)
23. Murphy (WR)
24. Higgins (WR/PR)
25. Walker (WR)
26. Franklin
27. Asomugha (CB)
28. Johnson (CB)
29. Routt (CB)
30. J. Miller (CB/KR)
31. Branch (S)
32. Mitchell (S)
33. Eugene (S)
34. Huff (S)
35. Morrison (LB)
36. Howard (LB)
37. Brown (LB)
38. Alston (LB)
39. Norris (LB)
40. Ekejuiba (LB)
41. Burgess (DE)
42. Scott (DE)
43. Gunheim (DE)
44. Richardson (DE)
45. Ellis (DE)
46. Shaughnessy (DE)
47. Kelly (DT)
48. Warren (DT)
49. Joseph (DT)
50. Boschetti (DT)
51. Condo (LS)
52. Lechler (P)
53. Janikowski (K)
Practice Squad
1. Sulak (DE)
2. N Miller (WR)
3. Bryant (DL)
4. Strong (TE)
5. Joseph (LB)
6. O’Neill (TE/LB)
July 9th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
SnB
We talked about the adverse effects of all the instability over the last 20 yrs.
Why do you think we’ve had all the instability?
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Because Davis has been unable to find coaches that will work under his conditions. With Madden, Roush and Flores…he had three coaches that were willing to work with him…or at least knew how to work with him.
Lately, coaches are less likely to want to work with the supervision davis provides. Bill Parcells gets away with it in Miami because Sporano and staff were on Parcells’ staff in Dallas.
Jerry Jones is suffering from the same problem. Jones “fired” Jimmy Johnson in much the same way as Davis “traded” Gruden. Some owners want a bigger voice in the operation. That makes it hard to find a long-term solution to coaching.
Even Chargers GM gets a little involved. Notice how he fired Schottenheimer and now “puts up” with Norv Turner’s plodding performance.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Good move by JaMarcus. I wish the major players of the receiving corps were there, but he did the best he could. Louis Murphy could turn out to be an outstanding pick, in fact I think he was our best pick of the draft in terms of value.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Woops, I didn’t read the part that said that more receivers could follow.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
DarthPirate Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Louis Murphy could turn out to be an outstanding pick, in fact I think he was our best pick of the draft in terms of value.
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I think Murphy is going to be the best contributor of the rookie class. Says a lot about a guys character to show up at a voluntary workout with no contract…just working hard…he probably ends up being the LONG-TERM #2 with Chaz Schilens as the #1.
Not downing DHB…because camp hasn’t started…but just throwing another opinion…Louis Murphy might be more proof as to why you shouldn’t draft wide receivers in the top 10 or 15…you can usually land good to great receivers throughout the draft.
July 9th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
It seems to me Al Davis has been flailing around uncertain of what type of team he wants, with less and less patience because of his age, presumably.
He hires a West Coast Coach one year, with vertical players. He hires a Art Shell another year with another type of player. He hires a ZBS Coach with power lineman. He hires a Kid Coach, has no idea what he hired. He signs a Zone Corner at high prices to play Man…….
He hasn’t been able to match Coach & Player with Scheme in a long time. He seems to be flailing, not knowing what to do.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
It seems to me Al Davis has been flailing around uncertain of what type of team he wants, with less and less patience because of his age, presumably.
He hires a West Coast Coach one year, with vertical players. He hires a Art Shell another year with another type of player. He hires a ZBS Coach with power lineman. He hires a Kid Coach, has no idea what he hired. He signs a Zone Corner at high prices to play Man…….
He hasn’t been able to match Coach & Player with Scheme in a long time. He seems to be flailing, not knowing what to do.
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That’s been very true. But it also gets back to Davis’ mgt style and unwillingness to pay the higher coaching salaries. He has a limited pool of coaches to pull from. He usually has to get the young guys or the guys with few HC options. I think that hampers his coaching searches and he usually ends up settling for a particular candidate.
Turner, Cable, Shell, Callahan, Kiffin, Bugel, M. White were all last minute hires for the most part.
Jerry Jones and Daniel Snyder would be in a similiar boat….but those owners will pay big bucks to get a top prospect.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Then why do you think the 2 Al Davis era’s diverge almost exactly when Free Agency was implemented?
July 9th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
hey Dakota, are you aware of your party slitting it’s own throat with this new emailthe Republicans are circulating?
http://crooksandliars.com/nicole-belle/conservatives-circulate-picture-obama
truly disgusting.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Oh Geez, Krappy, stop feeling sorry for yourself and whining to your dumb internet friends. None of us are “attacking” you, we all just want you to find a better place to live a more productive life. One where constantly soiled diapers are a thing of the past.
Think about how nice a nursing home – without an internet connection – would be for you. You could watch the Raider games in peace and quiet, have an actual bedpan only a few feet away, and oatmeal whenever you want it. Think about it Krappy, doesn’t that sound like bliss?
Oh and for the Girlish Raccoon – lady, you’ve got a lot of nerve coming into the men’s room.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Then why do you think the 2 Al Davis era’s diverge almost exactly when Free Agency was implemented?
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Just my opinion…but with free agency it made more players available on the market. Al Davis always prided himself on being able to find the free agent gems…I think once free agency opened up…other teams got smarter on managing free agency and those other teams got smarter about releasing players.
Free agency also gave Davis more opportunity to spend money buying players as opposed to developing them in-house.
I think he’s learned that lesson after last year’s free agency debacle
July 9th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Ron Wolf also left in 90′ Who, was really the personnel GM. Untitled of course.
July 9th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
234. People who do not use compassion, reason nor logic make this world suck and yup, truly disgusting…
July 9th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
F’in BS about the new trial for the murderer of Fred Biletnikoff’s daughter.
Playin’ the f’in race card? What an A hole…
Love you Fred and appreciate all you’ve done for the Raiders and fans.
Condolences on your tragedies and that you and other families who’ve suffered a such a devastating loss have to be dragged thru the system every few years.
Much love…
July 9th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Way to Russell.
I KNOW you’re going to develop into a great NFL QB…
Good man!
July 9th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Garcia’s no Kurt Warner.
End of story.
He’s adequate.
What JM’s doing with the passing camp is cool.
A positive step forward.
July 9th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
I gotta say this, JR & Garcia are both better than the Broncos’ QB so why all the bitchin’?
July 9th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Frye is betten than what they have in Denver.
I like our offense, but I’m not sold on the OLine.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
My friend got me a Globe that has palest!ne on it!!!!
I wanted one for a long time.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
I’m not trying to talk politics, but I was so happy that I had to tell you guys.
It’s an old globe!!
July 9th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Garcia is a sub par backup at best the end!
I mean if we went by who’s wife is hotter he would be the best.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
O, I tried to buy a large world map but, damn, they’re so exspensive!!!
July 9th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
Yeesh AZ Raider – Did I pee in your kool aid?
READ THE POST! I was explaining how Russell had no help last year. Yes Bush had a couple big games. whoopie. Jerry Porter had a couple big games. I agree with the sportingnews assessment. This team has no consistent players at WR or RB. DMAC the RAIDER has done squat. Deal with it. I hope he does great this year. I’m just sick of fools pretending like the team is full of pro bowlers and weapons only to see them choke on Sunday.
Last offseason Walker was going to light it up with DMAC and Sands/Kelly and Wilson were going to destroy opponent’s running attacks. Hall was going to be a shutdown CB.
Excuse me for wanting to see the team actually perform someplace besides on paper.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
666, he served Philly pretty well tho.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
Hey brothers!
What’s shakin? I’ve discovered this is the best time to come in here because there’s usually no one here. Keeps the complaining and arguing down.
Anyone hear what Rhodes had to say the other day on ESPN radio?? Pretty interesting comments about ‘ol daddy Al.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
LMN,
I couldn’t care less if you don’t like me. And when have I ever disappeared when we lose. I’m here just like everyone else. I don’t make predictions, am I optomistic? yes always. And I still am because that’s what I’m used to is winning. I’ve been a Raider much longer than you johnnie come lately. We won a lot of game and SB’s just incase you haven’t noticed. Your experience is in the last 20 years mine 40+.
I know we will win again, let me say it again, I know we will win again. As for you, YOU DON”T because you don’t know this organization like I do.
So I’m going to give my opinion whenever and however I chose. Get that?
“I don’t like you” I don’t give a good god damn you fool. Disappear? the only sucker in here frightened enough not to back up what they is you.
Incidently I don’t make prediction and a never did, I just project optimism because I chose to. Now you don’t like it don’t read or disagree with it. Say what you have t say to me when I’m in here and your know I’m here then we can go at it. Man to man.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
No, ST, what was that he said? I heard Sapp bagging on JR for holding offseason training on his own. He said the Org. gets upset when you practice outside Calif. Somehow I don’t think they mind.
July 9th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
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July 9th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
COW, come on man DMC was a rookie last year. It would be different if he had been here 3 years and done nothing. I understand yu don’t like the guy. But he was hurt last year.
And we all want to see the team perform on the field but give DMC a fair opportunity to fail.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
He basically said that The Raiders have a very talented and hungry squad but………
The old man was out there EVERY Thursday coaching the players from the sideline which of course was causing confusion about that the coaches would tell you one thing, then Al would tell you how to run or defend a different way.
Pretty frickin lame if you ask me…
July 9th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
TW,
Very Expensive!!
There was an old globe that I wanted, the owner wanted $300 for it.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Laughable that anyone would think Garcia is a better QB than Russell. Not even close fellas. I will be so pissed if Garcia starts 1 game if it’s not injury related. The kid needs to take his lumps, don’t pull him now!!!
July 9th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
at the end of the day the players got to go out there and make plays, obviously rhodes liked kif and he was disgruntled that we drafted dmac and cut him. could be true though but players play on gameday with instinct as well not pure coaching, remember in America’s Game, Todd Christiansen said they would call their own plays in the huddle at times, hope to see some saavy like that now a days
July 9th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
TW,
IT wasn’t that special, small, thin plastic, and it wasn’t in great shape!!
$300!!! For what???
July 9th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
garcia better not start game 1 unless injury.anyone who wants garcia to start now is pretty much content on seeing what we have the past 6yrs. with this team.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Rhodes was saying that most players were just confused about who was really in charge, who to listen to, etc. It should ALWAYS be the coaches team, not the owners. Imagine if the dean at USC or LSU, etc. started telling the players how to run plays behind the HC’s back. It’s just bad form. Either be the owner and run the operations or be the coach and run the players, not both!!
July 9th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
One thing I really hope Jamarcus improves on and gets the blessings from the coaches is to tuck the ball and run when the opportunity presents itself. If he starts tearing off long runs on teams it will totally change the dynamic of our pass protection and defenses will start spying with a LB or SS and Miller will absolutely kill ‘em.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
yesterday i agreed with a couple of fellas here that,
Yes, we need a franchise qb and that we all need patience with this guy, hey if he flops big time then plan b will be in motion. the past 6yrs have sucked big time, i know, but we’ll never get better by turning to another journeyman. look at what he had to work with his first full season, lineman who couldn’t block, wr’s who couldn’t get open and 3 different coaches calling plays.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Jamarcus comes off as one of those kids that will just feed off of success and just have fun with the whole thing. Keep it light, no expectations, and kick ass!
July 9th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
yeah i agree, jruss was hesitant to run and when he did he has real passive as if he didn’t have such a big body. another thing i hope he improves on is accuracy, throw 1,000’s of freakin’ balls through a tire or something or hold your own practices, ha ha.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
Obviously there is going to still be alot of underneath stuff again this year, which is fine with me seeing how well Miller, McFadden, Higgins and Bush all caught the ball last year.
I’m not expecting alot of deep heaves until later in the season.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Thnks St. sounds bad.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
I like how JaMarcus Russell doesn’t b*#@# or complain in the media. I like that he seems to be a guy that goes about his business and doesn’t seek to hear himself talk.
Good on him.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Didn’t hear hear him say a bad word about anyone…even when baited…didn’t sell out on Kiffin or Davis when those two were not focused on winning.
Didn’t sell out Tom Cable when Cable single handedly lost the game to Kansas City.
And when he says something in the media, its generally positive stuff like:
Building up teammates like Mario Henderson
Lobbying to get DMAC more carries
Talking about holding a private passing camp on his own time.
Someone tell Garcia that he might learn a little modesty as he continues his politiking on radio shows or any shrill that will listen
July 9th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
If Jamarcus starts rolling out and getting 6-7 yards a clip I could see him then faking the run and lobbing balls to McFadden and Bush. Then start faking the pass to those guys and hitting Miller and Higgins 10 yards deeper. Kiffin was right to get him out of the pocket, just didn’t let him take off as much as he could have. He makes great plays out of the pocket, and can hit anyone from anywhere on the field, unlike Garcia.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
That’s a great point SnB, very mellow and level headed. People want to slam him for being ’slow’! BS! This is the year he needs to take the training wheels and see what we’ve got, I’m really pulling for him.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
1 month away from watching football and 2 months away from the real thing, can,t wait.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
I hate July!
July 9th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
SnB,
I agree but it seems thats the only thing JR has going right now. Keeping his mouth shut. If he develops into a bonafide NFL Qb he may open up and get cocky but right now the best thing he can do is keep quiet & he is doing that.
# SnB Defense Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
I like how JaMarcus Russell doesn’t b*#@# or complain in the media. I like that he seems to be a guy that goes about his business and doesn’t seek to hear himself talk.
Good on him.
July 9th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Y’all be cool.
Back to work….
July 9th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Seems like in this blog at least people are split down the middle on JR having an upside or teetering on bust. This is a make or break year for him in this day & age. If he stumbles the media & fans will chew him up & spit him out.
Jerry should create a poll and see how it shakes out.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
i’m real anxious this year, has to do alot with the end of last season. the only thing is that too many people are banking too much on the 1st game. lets be realistic, it might not be a win, but i think its good to start against the best team in the division first, then play the other 2 right after. i think it’s safe to say that we all expect to be at least 2-1 at the start, if not, well …
July 9th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
i don’t think i can handle another mnf beatdown, we better come out hard and we should. no longer we have gallery at LT, bed & breakfast calling plays, nor d.hall playing corner so it should be a game
July 9th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
another day ends so its another day closer. outys!
July 9th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
It has taken a few years to biuld this team. But IMO they have done a good job doing so. Time will tell. As bad a job as Mr Davis had done I think he’s rebounded pretty well. The Shell hire followed by the Kiffin debacle have been extremely tough to deal with for everyone.
However my opinion is that we have a very young and talented team. THAT”S MY OPINION if you don’t agree FINE but it’s my opinion.
I like the QB and the running game. I even like the WR corp. Yes they are young and unproven but that’s part of charm they have if they can develope we’ll really have a good thing going. From as far back as 2 years ago I have been optomistic about Al Davis’ ability to rebiuld this team. IMO he’s done that, they need to play well enough to prove it.
If they can with Russell at QB they can become very explosive. The past 2 years my expectations have not been met, but it doesn’t make me feel they can’t be. In fact watching film fromm last year convinces me that if a few things had gone right we well may have won the division.
I don’t see SD as a dominant team, I don’t even see them as a superior team. I think they have the better QB and that’s it. Which is huge if Russell doesn’t play well in that game. But assuming he will I see us having a decent chance to win. In fact I think we will. That’s my opinion based on what I saw last year. It DOESN”T gaurantee anything it’s an OPINION.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
I dont understand the Issue!!!!
1st year as a starter:
13 TDs, 8 INTs, over 50% cmp, and we won 5 games with 2 diff coaches. The Kittin who didn’t want to be there, and the Oline coach who never called plays in the NFL.
The the guy some credit!!!
July 9th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
Priest, did you just praise this team as young & talented ? I bet you haven’t done that every year since 1967!
July 9th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Maybe, just Maybe, we should copy and paste the definition of opinion, and post it on this blog.
We all have opinions and we share them in this blog, relax people!! They ate just opinions! lol
July 9th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Raider O, I’m with you, when I watch the film from last year I see Russell flash true greatness. It reminds of the first time I saw him his at LSU. I said if this kid can get the proper coaching and they don’t use him the way they use most black QB’s as an athlete. He could in 4 or 5 years be one of the best QB’s ever seen. That was 4 years ago, he is now showing me what I thought he would under the right conditions. Before we drafted Russell I literally BEGGED for him. When we drafted him I couldn’t believe it. On film I see what I imagined 4 years ago.
I see this kid as one of the all-time greats with experience. When I was watching the SD game from last year Phil Simms said what I said 4 years ago. If he can stay healthy and continue to develope he is going to be scary good. By mid-season the rest of the NFL will see what I saw 4 years ago.
July 9th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
BHP,
This is a young team. We drafted a QB, RB, and WR in the 1st RD the last 3 years. They need time to adjust and learn to play together.
We will be great again!
July 9th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
Well Mista, you obviously don’t know me.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
It’s as if people think I’m predicting a SB championship. I have no idea how we will do this year. But I do know what I’m looking at. If you can’t objectively see what happened last year, we gave away at least 3 wins. And we still won 5 games. That team last year could’ve won 8 games….no no they should’ve won 8 games and maybe more. They just had NO confidence.
But looking back is easy Predicting what we will do is hard injuries and the like play too much a part of where you end up. If healthy who knows what we can do. Hell they Miami dolphins won 1 game a year later 11 games. Basically same team better QB. That QB is not that big of a difference maker he’s not Dan Marino. Confidence is.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Raider O, no doubt in my mind.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
BHP,
I Begged for him too. CJ was a great Talent, But JR is the BEST TALENT I’ve seen at QB since Elway.
He has size, arm, good feet, and he is a winner.
The man has pride, he didnt have to do the extra work, but h did. WINNER!
July 9th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Let me be clear, and say it one more time:
JR is the the best raw Talent I have seen at QB since John Elway!!
July 9th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Let me be honest. I never wanted DMC or DHB, but JR was like a dream come true for me.
I wanted Golston from OSU, and this year I wanted Monroe.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
I’m sold on DMC now, and what he can do for us. He can catch, run, and tackle too lol. He had 3 Tackles in one game.
DHB sounds like a good kid, and he has the body and speed to make it in the NFL. Ask me about him after this season, and I can tell you more. I like the pick, but I don’t love it!
July 9th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
COW #248
Yeah, you’re right.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Raider O, that’s exactly what I felt the first time I saw him. He ran the ball about 6 times and while he didn’t WOW me with accuracy he made some incredible plays. He lifted that team immediately and was a force to deal with. I saw him again about 2 weeks later and that’s when I was convinced he just needed the proper coaching. I saw Donovan McNabb at the ‘cuse throwing to Marvin Harrison and Russell was better he was more poised. More of a pocket passer with tremendous presence.
I can’t wait until the season starts on Monday Night in the Black Hole. We wont repeat last year. The big fella will be ready.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
i didn’t want either of them dhb or dmc but i know dmc can play, dhb we’ll see.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
There are only 2 players I who begged for, and I didn’t care who else was available:
1- Sir Charles.
I was living in OHIO and I hated Mich, but this guy shut down Boston and won that game all by himself.
2- JR.
I saw a few LSU games, and he looked like a huge man among boys. 6′6 260, but he was running around buying time, then he throws the ball 60 -70 yards down the field to D Bowe.
Wow. I wanted him on my team since that day, and when we drafted him I went crazy.
July 9th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
BTW,
OHIO was great!! Nice people, and I really enjoyed my stay in The Buckeye state!!!
I also love The Ohio State University!!!!
July 9th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
I’m a USC fan, have been since Anthony Davis scored 6 times vs Notre Dame maybe even before.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
I’m a USC fan cause of my dad, but I like The OSU and SDSU more. But I like all 3. My dad was a huge OJ fan!!
July 9th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
The OSU is known for it’s RBs and LBs. C Carter too!!
July 9th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Don’t have time to read all the posts I missed…but I have read enough to say:
All you guys (KK, LMN, MR, Dude…etc) being a fan of the Raiders means that you are a fan of the “Raiders” and not just looking for an entity that you can turn around and say to all your buddies…”we are winning and you are not”…we will win in the RAIDER way and come back again and win the RAIDER way not matter how long it takes or no matter how much we get bashed for being Raider fans or fans of Al Davis…get it?
Steve McNair – live with a gun…die by a gun. The founding Fathers meant that you should be able to have access to your own cache of weapons if needed to take on an oppressive government, not use them to settle every day disputes.
Just one Canadians point of view.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
And one question…How long do I have to listen to the idiot Warren Sapp try to talk intelligently about anything on a football network…puhleeze!
July 9th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
OSU, was bigtime back when Woody Hayes was there, I liked Michigan Better because I thought Hayes was such dictator type. Bo Schembeckler was the anti Woody to me.
Atchie Griffin used to drive me crazy. They were so damn dominant it made me sick. At one point they had Jack Tatum and some other players I can’t remember all of them but it was one of the greatest teams ever. And Stanford beat them in the Rose Bowl. Jim Plunkett was the QB.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
SDSU can’t win anything, but they have good NFL players. Marshall Faulk, Glover, Kirk, Kyle Turely, Brian Russel, AZ Hakim, the brothers KGB & AGB, Chaz, and I saved the best for last. Mr. Herman Edwards played for SDSU.
They may not be the best athletes, but they are smart and educated!!!!!
Go Aztecs!!!!!!!!!!!
July 9th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
How many Heismann’s did Archie win?
July 9th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
That was back in the day when New Year’s Day was College Bowl day.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
I laugh at these “dudes” who say “I’ve only been a Raider fan, or alive, for the last 20 years” and the Raiders have sucked…why are you a Raider fan then except for any other reason than what they (Al Davis) had done for all the years previously?
July 9th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
BHP,
Woody Hayes was the man. We were honored to have him coach THE OSU team for so many years.
You do know your football. lol
July 9th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
great post #302 Sapp is such a haterman. The money that Al Davis didn’t pay him must be killing him. he must have had plans for it. Because he just can’t let it go. The bashing is illogical most times. He contradicts himself like crazy and he doesn’t realize it. At one point he was saying that the Raider organizatin was the worst run organization on earth. Later he’s calling Al Davis the great one.
Solomon Wilcots has called him on it as did Steve Wyche today. He’s starting to look like a real fool. He can’t last much longer because it’s becoming too obvious that not much tought goes into his comments, they’re impulsive and emotional.
July 9th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Warren Sapp is Charles Barkley without personality or intelligence
July 9th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
RDT,
I’m a young fan, and I love my team due to it’s history. And AL Davis is the Man!!!
July 9th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
It’s his team…It’s our team…He’s our guy.
AND WE ARE COMING BACK!!!
July 9th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
I know Raider O, he was the one of the greatest coaches ever. I had tremendous respect for him.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
I like Barkley!! I wached him play vs. The Cavs. He was with the Rockets. That was back in 97. I think!
July 9th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
If you don’t love Al Davis, you don’t love the Raiders
July 9th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Charles was a Sixer…like Dr. J “the round mound of rebound”
July 9th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
BHP,
I still can’t believe you said you liked Mich more!! lol
I never hated a program more than Mich, they come to Ohio to get their best athletes.
I really hate Mich!!!
July 9th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
QUESTION:
If you cheer for the Raiders but hate Al Davis…are you really just a fan of the uniform and the colours?
July 9th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
He also played for the suns with Kevin Johnson, and the Rockets with Hakim and Glide Drexler. It was an old man team. LOL
July 9th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
THere has never been anyone like Al Davis and there will never again be anyone like him. That’s why reporters hang all over him whenever they get the chance. Most would pay money to get a 5 min interview with him.
We’re lucky to have him from his heyday until now. As I said on an earlier post this present team might be his best effort before it’s all over.
Well gotta get some sleep.
Adios!
July 9th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
Raider O, I started liking Michigan because of their helmets. And I watched that game when Bo beat Woody to break that streak. It started a huge rivalry. I just didn’t like Woody Hayes but I did respect him.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
This is Al’s last Super Bowl run and I for one think he is making a good stab at it.
July 9th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
I agree RDT.
Good Night BHP. I was just giving you a hard time cause I hate them. lol
July 9th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Good Night Nation.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:29 am
Good morning nation…
Russell’s success will depend on the o-line’s success…
it all starts up front…
o-line’s… d-lines…
don’t leave home without ‘em…
July 10th, 2009 at 4:37 am
Somebody file a missing persons report for 4eva. Cable better unleash the 2-headed monster of Bush/Dmac and fargas for his usual 2yrds into the pile again.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:52 am
# priesttj Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:53 pm
LMN,
I couldn’t care less if you don’t like me. And when have I ever disappeared when we lose. I’m here just like everyone else. I don’t make predictions, am I optomistic? yes always. And I still am because that’s what I’m used to is winning. I’ve been a Raider much longer than you johnnie come lately. We won a lot of game and SB’s just incase you haven’t noticed. Your experience is in the last 20 years mine 40+.
I know we will win again, let me say it again, I know we will win again. As for you, YOU DON”T because you don’t know this organization like I do.
So I’m going to give my opinion whenever and however I chose. Get that?
“I don’t like you” I don’t give a good god damn you fool. Disappear? the only sucker in here frightened enough not to back up what they is you.
Incidently I don’t make prediction and a never did, I just project optimism because I chose to. Now you don’t like it don’t read or disagree with it. Say what you have t say to me when I’m in here and your know I’m here then we can go at it. Man to man.
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bwahahaha, you are not very intelligent, hey dufus you asked med if i didnt like you, i thought it was obvious, but then when you asked i apparently had to point it out again…
July 10th, 2009 at 4:55 am
Raider O Says:
July 9th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
My friend got me a Globe that has palest!ne on it!!!!
I wanted one for a long time.
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good for you, im happy on your behalf!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:48 am
Dakota,
Time to ruin your breakfast. From Pro Sports Daily quoting thw Oregonian: “other free agents the Blazers are believed to be talking to are power forward Brandon Bass, small forward Lamar Odom and point guard Raymond Felton.”
July 10th, 2009 at 5:50 am
good morning NMF, LMN, Exla …
July 10th, 2009 at 5:51 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
What’s up, LMN?
So, Camp Russell is on!!! Hopefully good things will come out of this! OAK, where are you buddy with the kool-aid this morning?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:52 am
busy day at the office. will be gone 90 percent of the day (hopefully less)
came to work an hour early so I can leave an hour early
having a block party in the country after work tonight. bought a ton of fireworks at 75 percent off! this is an annual thing we do. fun for all ages
July 10th, 2009 at 6:00 am
good morning Hwnrdr!
hope you have an amazing day friend
July 10th, 2009 at 6:00 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,AM-CREW,SHOULD WE BE HEARING ABOUT HIGH DRAFT PICK’S SIGHNING NOW THAT CAMP IS FAST APROACHING, 2-3 WEEKS..?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:00 am
Good Morning Rockstar,
That’s a good way to start the weekend!!! Have fun buddy!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:08 am
YEH ROCKSTAR,GUESS OUR INVITATION’S GOT LOST IN THE MAIL…I WILL HAVE 2 DRINK THIS ICE-COLD KEG OF HARP’S BY MYSELF..MAYBE I BETTER LEAVE EARLY TO.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:09 am
That’s a good way to start the weekend!!! Have fun buddy!
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yeah. everybody from our church and everybody from our town is invited and we have a bounce house for the kids. last year we also had a slip n slide, but this year we’re changing it up and having a zip line. haha
my buddy is a huge Sooner fan, but he’s grilling their traditional “hamdogs” some sort of hamburger inside of a hotdog? and we’re going to have a rootbeer keg! lol
July 10th, 2009 at 6:09 am
G’day NMF, RRS, HwnRDR, exLA….
July 10th, 2009 at 6:10 am
Exla…
That would suck if LA loses both Ariza and Odom this off season! Especially if Odom goes to Portland…Hmmm…
As for the draft pick signings…DHB, Murphy, Mitchell, etc…hopefully we sign them soon. Next month is already pre-season guys! Can’t wait!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:10 am
GUESS OUR INVITATION’S GOT LOST IN THE MAIL
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all Raider fans are invited. meat & drinks provided
bring your favorite side or dessert!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:11 am
Dakota…
hey, are you out there, you came with some “facts” the other day about murders here in denmark…. still got’em, where did you get it from??
July 10th, 2009 at 6:19 am
MY FAVORITE SIDE’S WOULD BE A BLONDE ON ONE SIDE ,A BRUNETTE ON THE OTHER, WITH ONE OR BOTH BEING DESSERT AS WELL. WHAT TIME DOES THIS PARTY GET STARTED ROCKSTAR ?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:20 am
Dakota Says:
July 6th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Hey LMN, we do have pretty high crime rates in the US…but guess what, you are not that far behind.
“According to the INTERPOL data, for murder, the rate in 2000 was 4.03 for Denmark, 1.10 for Japan, and 5.51 for USA….The rate for all index offenses combined was 3793.12 for Denmark, compared with 1709.88 for Japan and 4123.97 for USA.”
Guess people in your little utopia murder other people too
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I contacted an old arm-buddy who is in the police today, he said that was so wrong that you either made it up or you took europe as a whole… infact it was 1.09 in 2000…
per 100.000 people there are 0.98 murders in Denmark, the number for USA is 5.8 per 2008….
we were at the highest in 2003, where it was as 1.20, yours highest number was in 2007 where it was 6.1
so yeah, our little utopia murders eachother as well, its a part of the human nature…but with our high social status we at least doesnt do it out of need…
July 10th, 2009 at 6:20 am
Better to pay the luxury tax than to lose Odom and another championship run. All they have to do is up their annual courtside price increase to pay it. Jack would not mind.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:21 am
LOL, pa1estine is way below US, argentina is below you, but at least hte Ukraine has a higher rate…LOL
July 10th, 2009 at 6:21 am
6:30 central time. thats why i’m getting off at 4pm
bring your own bass pro lawnchairs too
last year I think we had at least 500 people
July 10th, 2009 at 6:26 am
RRS…
where is it at? ill jump a plane =)
July 10th, 2009 at 6:27 am
Yeah, I don’t think that Jack would mind at all…LOL
6:30pm Central? Let’s go Dirt Lot! Blonde, Brunette, Red Head…Thanks Rockstar!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:30 am
about 45 minutes north of Springfield, MO
bring it on
wife only bought 2 shirts while shopping yesterday. I was so proud. then she started talking about buying a new house …
WHAT!?!?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:33 am
I CAN SEE IT NOW. A BUNCH OF GUY’S AT A PARTY POUNDING ON LAPTOP’S, BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT EACH OTHER LOOK’S LIKE, LMAO..
July 10th, 2009 at 6:35 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 6:33 am
I CAN SEE IT NOW. A BUNCH OF GUY’S AT A PARTY POUNDING ON LAPTOP’S, BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT EACH OTHER LOOK’S LIKE, LMAO..
That is funny…but true!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:36 am
RRS…
LOL, my GF said the other day she only bought a single dress, i was thinking she really learned some stuff, until she walked in the living room with 4 other bags, containing sho3s, each pair more expensive than the dress… well at least its her own hard earned money =)
July 10th, 2009 at 6:36 am
Morning Nation!!!
I miss one day and jerry post twice!!! Wow he is really steppin up the offseason reporting…Although I think one was copy and paste ohwell!!!hmmmmm Well Ware hiding only means one (ok) two things he was really tired or really believed “some guys rush better against different people” He thought Ellis giave them the best shot sometimes good news!!!! QB Camp is on More good news would have liked to seen more names on that WR list!!! SIGN DHB so he can go!!! as Far as Murphy and the contract and Hammy stuff even just being with the guys learning the plays/routes learnign about ur team mates this could be good even if they bareley run routes!!!
HEY real-MR I’m callin you out,… and Double R this aint no morning splash
RAIDERS WILL WIN 9 GAMES THIS YEAR!!!! FACT!!!!!
Live it or leave it ALL non believers including you MR!!!!!!
ohh…and HENDERSON TO THE PROWBOWL!!!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Dirtlot…
LOL true, “im the tiny guy by the tree”, “no thats me”, “where are you at, then”…could be funny =)
July 10th, 2009 at 6:42 am
# OAKlifer Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 6:36 am
RAIDERS WILL WIN 9 GAMES THIS YEAR!!!! FACT!!!!!
Live it or leave it ALL non believers including you MR!!!!!!
ohh…and HENDERSON TO THE PROWBOWL!!!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!
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LOL, FACT?? well thats cute, and Palin could see moscow from her house, or what was it….
I will never understand why someone would say stuff like that….
OAKlifer, i hope you are right, but if we only win 6 games as i think, what then, what is a statement like yours worth, especially when you claim it as a FACT!…
dont get me wrong i hope your wishful thinking will be fulfilled, im tired of rooting for losers and a losing team… but hey I still root for them =)
July 10th, 2009 at 6:44 am
well gotta go =) gotta see the lest of this days stage, fantastic pictures, its going to be interesting to see i Contador will do an Ulrich as it happened in 1997 and Mr Doping will be this years Riis…
July 10th, 2009 at 6:45 am
hwnrdr Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 6:35 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 6:33 am
I CAN SEE IT NOW. A BUNCH OF GUY’S AT A PARTY POUNDING ON LAPTOP’S, BECAUSE WE DO NOT KNOW WHAT EACH OTHER LOOK’S LIKE, LMAO..
That is funny…but true!
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NOT entirely true correct me if I’m wrong but I ‘ll pick us out of a crowd anyday!!!!!!!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ZSRRivY4xlE/SJoGkUiqptI/AAAAAAAABZY/2mvXenn6t8c/s320/raider_fans.jpg
I see you upthere Double R, Hey LMN is that you??? Nice mask Hwnrdr, Is that O on the left???? LOL @ Dakotas Glasses on the right with the Goatee!!!! DLF is that the new sideline hat?????
BURGESS TO THE PROBOWL 12 SACKS!!!!!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:45 am
THAT WOULD BE A 3-STORY HOUSE ROCKSTAR, WITH HER MOTHER AND / OR BROTHER MOVING IN ALSO…
July 10th, 2009 at 6:50 am
U R CORRET OAKLIFER,RAIDER FAN’S DO TEND 2 STAND-OUT.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:50 am
LOL, FACT?? well thats cute, and Palin could see moscow from her house, or what was it….
I will never understand why someone would say stuff like that….
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MR was bashing us yesterday in here for all our wishy washy guessing and second guessing so even as a hypothesis it is a very well thought out planned statement and come Dec I will Be a man and stand behind my “prediction” 100% as we battle for our once conquered division!!! We will RECLAIM that my friend is another FACT!!!!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:50 am
LOL @ LMN … 1 dress
i’ve heard that before!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:52 am
3 hour drive if you guys fly into Kansas City
don’t worry though. Chief fans are sissies
I’ve lived here over 2 years and never had anybody besides friends give me a bad time for being a Raidah fan
In fact 1 guy I work with is a HUGE fan. Might watch some games together this upcoming season
July 10th, 2009 at 6:53 am
NO TUCK RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! is “he hate me” starting for the LA team??????????
What number did He Hate Me where as an Oakland Raider????
Come on no google search who knows????
July 10th, 2009 at 6:55 am
also a 3 hour drive from Tulsa or St Louis. sort of smack dab in the middle (of nowhere!) haha
you guys would laugh. i’d give you all a redneck education
MR used to make fun of me and say my name should be RaiderRedneck. Kind of fitting. Don’t see many Raider fans livin out in the sticks. Guess thats what happens when a city boy is “gone country” huh?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:56 am
What number did He Hate Me where as an Oakland Raider????
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Rod Smart? didn’t he play for the Panthers and the XFL before we gave him a shot?
can’t remember his number
July 10th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Anyways, i’ve fooled around long enough this morning … multi-tasked actually
got some REAL work to do, away from the comp
you guys have a great day. seriously. enjoy the weekend
i’ll check in later today if I have time, maybe at lunch or something
July 10th, 2009 at 6:58 am
Thats him ding ding ding winner winner chicken dinner!!!!!!!!!!
Even tho you didnt remeber his number “me either 35 i think” you was the first with the name!!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:59 am
L8r Raider!!!
Have a blast at the annual Double R peace brother!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:59 am
3 HOUR DRIVE… WHY CANT WE JUST ON YOUR AIR-STRIP IN YOUR BACK YARD, (A COUNTRY BOY CAN SURVIVE)
July 10th, 2009 at 7:08 am
Can’t believe Raider hater Brian Baldinger is giving praise to Raiders. On the NFL Network, when asked “if the window is closing on the Chargers?”
I think the window is closing. The reason why it’s closing is because all of the other teams in the AFC West have made changes during the offseason to catch San Diego.
All those teams have been picking high in recent years. Oakland has been picking in the top five, and look who they’ve been adding to the roster. They’ve been adding elite talent, and we’ll soon find out if they’ll pan out. The Chiefs have been adding elite talent.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:12 am
exLA…
LOL, BSPN praises this season as well, I assume it has something to do with, its been hip to be down on the raiders, and now they will start a new trend =) LOL
July 10th, 2009 at 7:14 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 6:50 am
LOL @ LMN … 1 dress
i’ve heard that before!
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I kept asking what she needed 4 pairs of sho3s to ONE dress, well she has the ultimate sentence, “do you want me to be pretty” damn it she won again, well its her money and I DO want her to be pretty =)
July 10th, 2009 at 7:44 am
LMN, this is where I got those stats:
http://www-rohan.sdsu.edu/faculty/rwinslow/europe/denmark.html
July 10th, 2009 at 7:52 am
Exla,
Man is Mitch trying to get Odom back for the NBA minimum or something? DAAAAAAMN IT!!!!!! We have a shot at another run at titles and Jerry Buss is tightening the purse strings while the C’s are spending money!
Jackson needs to take a bit of a pay cut…$8 million a year to coach Kobe is about right…
July 10th, 2009 at 7:58 am
The pentagon wants to ban tobacco use in the military…wtf?
July 10th, 2009 at 7:59 am
Have a good weekend you all!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 8:01 am
See you Hwnrdr…hopefully we can talk about the Lakers’ great Odom signing on Monday!
July 10th, 2009 at 8:01 am
Warriors are for sale….Raiderdogg…you got some spare change?
July 10th, 2009 at 8:30 am
If Kobe and Artest are 40 minute guys, and both Bynum and Gasol are healthy …
What type of minutes are going to be there for LO?
How much is that worth?
July 10th, 2009 at 8:33 am
I read that Artest came to LA to “hood-alize” the Lakers because in his eyes they aren’t “hood” enough.
Hopefully, for the Lakers sake, Kobe will tell him they actually focus on winning championships, not playing mediocre ball, fighting with coaches, teammates, FANS, and the Refs to keep their “hood” status.
Boy it sure is going to be even easier to root against these guys this year.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Jhill,
Even if Bynum is healthy, you know he can’t stay on the floor for extended minutes because of foul trouble. If you want the Lakers to win another championship or two, you better hope Lamar gets signed, even though he is a flawed player…we can’t play Powell and Walton and hope for a championship.
Vegas,
That hoodalize crap was a misquote…Artest was on ESPN and said espn has been hoodalized…not the Lakers.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Summer league starts out here today, $25 for a day pass. Morrison is here for the Lakers, and I got to go one day to get my first look at the 2009-2010 NBA ROY, Stephen “all-net” Curry.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:44 am
You mean he said it, and a few days later tried to flip it around a little, OK. I expect that to happen another 45+ times in the next year or so. Face it you guys got a grade A knucklehead, when you didn’t need to. You guys are champions, if ain’t broke don’t get Ron Artest.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:47 am
From Plaschke’s article yesterday:
Given that Artest will be replacing the beloved and respected Trevor Ariza, what are the chances that this will be different?
A couple of days earlier, in a news conference held at his basketball camp, Bryant didn’t sound so certain. To those readers who have ripped me for not effusively praising this move, listen to your leader.
“It’s tough to say whether we’ll be a better team,” Bryant told reporters. “It will just be a different team.”
Bryant’s involvement in the signing mirrored his uncertainty.
Artest said he talked to several Lakers before signing here, but Bryant was not one of them.
Bryant has been consulted on Lakers moves in the past, but this was not one of them.
When the deal was finally done, it was Artest who had to call Bryant.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Of all the people to quote … Plaschke????
Why not take a look at the PC for yourself, and form an opinion. It’s on youtube, and the LA Times blog. Then again, if you’re not a Laker fan, I can understand where you’re coming from.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Woaw…
what a stage… good race
July 10th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Goodness, the brawl was 6 years ago. Basketball wise, what has been the problem since?
This off the court “possible” problem child stuff is non sense. I know we now have the best perimeter defense in the NBA with Kobe and Artest out there. Add Fisher and Shannon Brown, with Bynum, Gasol, and Odom having their backs?!?!?!
Yeah, it’s going to be REAL hard to root against us, LOL! Just make sure you don’t BET against us though!
July 10th, 2009 at 8:57 am
JHill,
I am a charter member of the Laker-hater club, I make no bones about it. Artest is an idiot, always has been, and has never saw an authority he didn’t want to challenge. I am rooting for the car crash.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:58 am
I don’t know that about a healthy Bynum, Dakota. He was not in foul trouble before the injury, and of course he was a step slow when he came back.
I expect to see Bynum logging 30 min a game next year, at a minimum.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:59 am
LOL Vegas!
Too funny!
July 10th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Don’t worry about LO not coming back, Dakota. I think the thought of Artest going looney on him for leaving will be all it takes to seal the deal.
Look for Kupchak to trim payroll by trading Fluke and/or Sasha.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Bynum was a beast before the knee injury and forced Odom to the 6th man role. Odom provides powerful relief for Gasol and Bynum. Plus is a 5 position player. What worries me is Bynum has had injury problems the last 2 years. Odom needs to be resigned pronto before he looks elsewhere. IMHO
July 10th, 2009 at 9:08 am
I hope Artest loves candy.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Basketball wise, what has been the problem since?
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Don’t think things ended to well in Sactown, Adleman hated him in Houston, and how about that playoff series against the Lakers last year. Yeah he played “Great D”, but he also got thrown out of two games, and was on the brink of getting a T almost every-time the whistle blew. He also h shot 6-17, 4-15 (including missing his first 10 and insisting on shooting) and 3-10 in games 5,6 and 7 to end the series. But hey he had cool designs in his hair, just like Anthony Mason did 15 years ago.
He is just like TO, great the first year, and than things fall apart and the team gets better after getting rid of him.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Injury problems?
Kobe crashing into his knee this year, and him getting tangled up with Lamar last year?
It’s not like he’s that guy from Portland or Houston just coming up with phantom big man injuries, right?
July 10th, 2009 at 9:13 am
I’m not a fan of any particular basketball team, just like basketball. Interesting, during the Denver series many here were calling the Lakers heart-less and soft. After they won the series they became all of a sudden the best thing since sliced bread.
But really how competitive is pro basketball when you have stacked teams like the Lakers with all-stars and possible hall of fame player’s throughout the roster? After picking up Artest the Lakers have two all-stars; a superstar; a future all-star, and/or a possible superstar in Bynum and if the Lakers win another championship with D.Fisher he will be considered for the basketball HOF.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:13 am
But again, I must admit, I am a hater. I hate LA teams, can’t stand the Lakers (although props to Kobe, he played awesome this year, and Gasol needs more touches), and am an angry Raider, Cal bears, Warriors fan.
However, the SF Giants baby!!!!! 2nd best record in the NL!!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Adleman hated him so much in Sac town that he traded for him in Houston? How do you figure that he hated him in Houston? You mean McGrady, right? C’Mon! You’re making up stuff now.
I remember him getting tossed once in that series, and that probably shouldn’t have happened. If Artest doesn’t play in that series, Houston goes home in 5 games. I don’t even see how you are trying to bring that series up as a negative.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:18 am
Vegas,
Artest is twice the player Ariza is, but you are right, if he dinks around he may hurt the team. That is why having LO back is so important. Can’t count on Bynum due to injuries and you never know if Artest might fly off the handle, but with Jackson and Kobe there I highly doubt Artest will be too much of a problem…the guy only had 4 technical fouls last year…that is a bad week for Kobe.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:18 am
vegas raider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 8:44 am
You mean he said it, and a few days later tried to flip it around a little, OK. I expect that to happen another 45+ times in the next year or so. Face it you guys got a grade A knucklehead, when you didn’t need to. You guys are champions, if ain’t broke don’t get Ron Artest.
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No, I watched the damned interview when it happened, he said ESPN you’ve been hoodalized…he didn’t say he was going to hoodalize the Lakers…Plaschke is simply wrong….not the first time.
Don’t take my word for it…watch it yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ITi5MKClgiA
July 10th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Fisher will NOT be considered for the HOF. Niether will Horry.
SA and Portland would disagree with your non competitive take. As would Denver and Dallas, and that’s just in the West. I’m sure Cleveland, Orlando, Philly, and Boston would have a say on that too.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:30 am
BAG, I don’t know, it seemed pretty competitive in the NBA this season…and with the Lakers, Celtics, Spurs, Cavs, Magic and Dallas all adding players and the young Nuggs and Blazers improving, I think things will be pretty fun to watch next year.
There is a certain 2010 free agent class affect where teams have some delusion that LeBron, Wade, Bosh, Amare etc will sign with them so they have been more concerned with manipulating the cap the last couple of years than in winning games, but other than that I think the NBA is pretty competitive and has been for the past 10 years or so.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:31 am
vegas raider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 9:13 am
But again, I must admit, I am a hater. I hate LA teams, can’t stand the Lakers (although props to Kobe, he played awesome this year, and Gasol needs more touches), and am an angry Raider, Cal bears, Warriors fan.
However, the SF Giants baby!!!!! 2nd best record in the NL!!!!
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right behind the LOS ANGELES DODGERS. lmfao
July 10th, 2009 at 9:33 am
Got to go. Have a great day.
Go Raiders!
Go Lakers and sign Odom, Upchuck!
July 10th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Please. 5 rings and he won’t be considered? Big Shot Bob and his 7 rings will be considered. I didn’t say Fish was in I said he would be considered. The Spurs are one of the stacked teams I was referring to as well as Boston. However Portland, Denver, Dallas, Cleveland Orlando, and Philly and most of the other teams stand little to no chance against the stacked teams in the NBA.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Good mornin all.
New post up.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Without even thinking about it too hard you know especially now after adding a defensive stopper like Artest, the Lakers are the favorite to win the West and play for another Championship. This is a true statement in July.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Louis Murphy is the next Tim Brown!
July 12th, 2009 at 8:53 am
tim Brown was awful.
You could count on him to drop it if it really counted.
Why do people deify him so much?
Lots of yardage, when it didn’t count.
Overpaid too.
I was praying he’d retire.
Not fit to hold Biletnikoff’s jock.
Caught everything anywhere near him.
Only wore shoulder pads and a helmet.
July 12th, 2009 at 8:54 am
To clarify, Fred B. was the one who caught anything near him.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:59 am
weaselbit lay off that pipe PLEAZZE!
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