Ellis should be at home in a 4-3
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, July 10th, 2009 at 9:31 am in Oakland Raiders.
While there was speculation Greg Ellis would likely wind up with a team which ran a 3-4 defense similar to the one he left in Dallas, in reality he felt the way he was used in the alignment took away from the strength of his game.
In an interview on the Michael Irvin Show, Ellis said teammates, opponents and commentators wondered he was utilized on pass defense instead of as a pass rusher. As a defensive end in a 4-3 alignment with the Raiders, Ellis, inserted as a starter upon arrival, will be free to get after the quarterback with a minimum of pass coverage responsibilities.
Ellis said one respected commentator who he declined to name told him, `Greg, why don’t you rush that much? It seems like when you rush, you’re a better football team.”
Going into an Oct. 26 game against Tampa Bay, Ellis said he asked coach Wade Phillips for more of a role rushing the passer.
“I didn’t get a sack but I got a bunch of pressures,” Ellis said. “Wade himself said, `That’s the best defensive performance he’d ever seen in his NFL career. Then I don’t get but 10 plays against the New York Giants.”
The Giants beat the Bucs 13-9, then lost to the Giants 35-14. Particularly galling for Ellis was that he asked to speak to the team before the Giants game, gave an impassioned speech, then had a minimal role so minimal that teammate Terrell Owens jokingly asked him, `What happened, you’re supposed to be our leader?” Responded Ellis, “I only played about 10 plays, bro.”
Ellis said he was out of the game so often in some games that teammate DeMarcus Ware would hide from coaches on the sideline to get the veteran more snaps.
The 20-minute interview was almost entirely about issues with the Cowboys, with little in the way of Ellis’ fresh start with a new team.
“You’ve got to shut it off in Dallas and pick it up in Oakland. That’s what I have to do. Had some great years in Dallas, feel we should have won the Super Bowl and didn’t do it,” Ellis said. “I have to move on and you have to realize the NFL is a business and to be a part of it you have leave a team, go to another one, put on your business hat and go into your new city commit to them all you have and give to them the everything you gave your last one. That’s what I’m committed to do.”
Without so much as a playoff win in his career, Ellis talked of how special it would be to have it happen with a rebuilding Oakland team.
“I look at a challenge in Oakland, the struggling season they had last year, if we can get it turned around and get on the winning side, get in the playoffs, win a playoff game, get to that Super Bowl and win that . . . I know people say, `yeah, right, that ain’t going to happen in Oakland,’ but if we can make that happen, it would be a great feeling to know you were a part of turning something around,” Ellis said.
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July 10th, 2009 at 9:34 am
First. Maybe?
July 10th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Wow, I did not get a buzz from that!
July 10th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Hopefully Ellis doesn’t cry too much this year.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Mornin Dakota.
You have any land in Dakota?
Any Rock Chuck shootin?
July 10th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Inserted in the starting lineup for who?
Better not be Trevor Scott. And if Ellis is such a pass rushing beast, who will we see on 3rd down? Will they possibly move Scott inside with TK so Burgess can get on the field?
Hmmmm!
July 10th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Scott had two good games last season.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:50 am
What’s the big deal? Most likely Ellis will not even make the team. Ellis is 35 years old. The youth movement is in full swing. Last year we picked up veteran safety Greg Wesley, veteran safety turned LB Adam Archuleta, veteran DE Greg Spires and veteran LB Ed Hartwell. All were over 30 years of age, all signed to contracts and all were cut. Ellis and Keith Davis will be luck to make the team. Garcia is here as an insurance policy and Neal is here because OO is hurt and we haven’t had a fullback of Neal’s caliber (even at age 38) since Jon Ritchie.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:01 am
8th and damn proud!
July 10th, 2009 at 10:09 am
Let’s see you prove it on the field Ellis. Churn those old legs of yours!!
July 10th, 2009 at 10:09 am
DOUCHE BAG Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 9:50 am
What’s the big deal? Most likely Ellis will not even make the team. Ellis is 35 years old. The youth movement is in full swing. Last year we picked up veteran safety Greg Wesley, veteran safety turned LB Adam Archuleta, veteran DE Greg Spires and veteran LB Ed Hartwell. All were over 30 years of age, all signed to contracts and all were cut. Ellis and Keith Davis will be luck to make the team. Garcia is here as an insurance policy and Neal is here because OO is hurt and we haven’t had a fullback of Neal’s caliber (even at age 38) since Jon Ritchie.
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Ellis still has a year or 3 left in him (about as much as Burgess does), except Ellis brings much more to our locker room. I’m glad to have him.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:10 am
If Ellis is such a pass rushing machine then we really have done nothing to improve our defense against the run now have we?
I am so sick of guys saying the coach is using me wrong I need to be on the field rushing the passer more. What about defending the run? Yeah and I want to play poker, drink beer and sleep with hookers all day long too but it ain’t going to happen.
Shut up you whinny cry baby and do your damn job, and if your friend does you a favor, don’t be a tard and rat him our for it.
One thing about Al, he may be senile but he don’t like a rat he is old school like that. Ellis wont last long here.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:12 am
I think Ellis will definitely make the team because this team needs to some veteran leadership and depth on that D-Line.
Burgess is being shopped and who knows if he will still be around come camp time. I think Richardson and Gunheim will make the team because they create competition and depth as well. So the DE rotation shoud be…
Burgess
Ellis
Scott
Richardson (will play some pass rush DT in certain situations)
Shaunessey (will contribute on special teams)
Gunheim (will contribute on special teams)
Sulak (will play mostly special teams)
July 10th, 2009 at 10:18 am
1st fav qoute of the day ““I look at a challenge in Oakland, the struggling season they had last year, if we can get it turned around and get on the winning side, get in the playoffs, win a playoff game, get to that Super Bowl and win that . . . I know people say, `yeah, right, that ain’t going to happen in Oakland,’ but if we can make that happen, it would be a great feeling to know you were a part of turning something around,” Ellis said.
2nd FAVORITE owell 1st a: “Yeah and I want to play poker, drink beer and sleep with hookers all day ” Silver-n-Black666 said
July 10th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Dumb AZZ Raider Says:
Ellis still has a year or 3 left in him (about as much as Burgess does), except Ellis brings much more to our locker room. I’m glad to have him.
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In 3 years Ellis will be 38. How much could he really have left? Ellis has never performed or produced in the manner in which Burgess has. Excluding last year Burgess has lead this team in sacks or tied for the lead every year since he’s been here. Burgess has proven that when healthy he can be not only effective but one of the best at his position. Ellis is older and has not proven to be as a productive player over the course of his career as Burgess.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:30 am
D-BAG,
I think Jerry just reminded you Ellis has 20 sacks in the last 2 years… Burgess???
July 10th, 2009 at 10:32 am
On Russells seperate passing camp…..
I hope more than just three WR’s are gonna show up for this. Walker needs to get his a$$ in there as well as Schilens and JLH and all the freakin TE’s including Miller.
All these guys need to get on the same page before training camp, so they are ahead of the game.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:32 am
We have veterans on the D-line D.Burgess has played 9 years and is 30. G.Warren also has played 9 years and is 30. T. Kelley is 28 and 6 years and T. Sands is 29 and 7 years. That’s plenty of veteran direction if that’s all that’s needed. Also correction on Ellis’age. Ellis is 33 not 35, I believe and has been in the league 12 years.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:42 am
D-AZZ Raider,
You know Burgess has been hurt, but seeing that Ellis is 33 not 35 changes things. If he can produce like he did the last two years he would be a welcome addition. I’m more inclined to say that’s possible at 33 than 35.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:44 am
D-BAG,
Ellis has 77 career sacks and like 400 tackles… I think thats pretty stout.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:45 am
Thats all I’m sayinh BAG… He got some in the tank and I like his tude better than Burgess. Burgess doesnt like it in Oakland, and it’s obvious.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:46 am
DKnight007 Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:32 am
On Russells seperate passing camp…..
I hope more than just three WR’s are gonna show up for this. Walker needs to get his a$$ in there as well as Schilens and JLH and all the freakin TE’s including Miller.
All these guys need to get on the same page before training camp, so they are ahead of the game.
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No doubt! I agree 100%!
July 10th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Player Profile: G Paul McQuistan
In the 3rd round in the 2006 NFL draft, The Oakland Raiders selected Paul McQuistan, a fairly unknown prospect from Weber State. At the time, fans rallied behind the newly acquired lineman and his long, red mullet. However, McQuistan quickly showed Raider fans that they should start paying attention to something other then his hair – his play on the field.
Entering his fourth year with the Raiders, McQuistan hopes to continue to make a name for himself at the top level. With his former position coach, Tom Cable, being elevated to head coach, McQuistan is enjoying a level of familiarity with the Oakland coaching staff. “Coach Cable is great for the players because he understands what we need to do and what we do well,” the Lebanon, Oregon, product said recently following a meeting with his fellow offensive linemen.
After a successful collegiate career, his size and athleticism impressed the Raider organization enough to take him 69th overall. During the 2006 and 2007 campaigns, he played in 31 games, making 12 starts along the Raider line. “It was nice to get in there right away. I was able to step right in and get valuable playing experience on the professional level.”
McQuistan’s versatility has allowed him to start games at both guard spots and right tackle in his career, something that makes him an asset to the team.
Unfortunately, McQuistan suffered a knee injury early in the 2008 campaign, cutting short a promising season. He spent the remainder of the season on injured reserve, but is determined to get back to seeing the kind of playing time he became accustomed to in 2007. “It was hard sitting out last season, especially watching the team struggle because you feel like you could help the team if you were out [on the field].”
With the Raiders on the verge of training camp, McQuistan will have his first shot at showing he’s fully recovered and ready to compete. McQuistan believes that with the help of new position coach, Jim Michalczik, he’ll be able make the transition from situational lineman to full time starter. “It has been great working with him so far,” said McQuistan about Michalczik. “We have been going over new stuff, new terms and watching film so we can be on top of our game. I’m really excited.”
As an added incentive to earn a starting role this year, McQuistan and the Raiders will face his twin brother Pat, who plays for the Dallas Cowboys, when the two teams meet in the pre-season and on Thanksgiving Day. “It is kind of a dream,” McQuistan said about the thought of facing his brother, adding that the two talk regularly about what they see in each other’s games that’ll help them improve.
The offseason additions of Khalif Barnes and Erik Pears, as well as returning starters like Robert Gallery and Mario Henderson provide Oakland with a plethora of talent along the offensive line, but don’t think that McQuistan is letting the crowded locker room discourage him. “I plan on being a better player than before [the injury]. I’m ready to show I’m healthy and earn my spot.”
He’ll have his chance to prove he’s up to the challenge of regaining his starting spot when the Raiders open camp later this month in Napa.
By Drew Christensen (07/07/09)
July 10th, 2009 at 10:50 am
DKnight,
Murphy is gonna get the most outta this thing though. Remember Russell was on fire with Drew Carter until he got hurt in pre-season? Well, he and Drew worked out in private and got their timing down to make that happen. Too bad it never relayed into a game but that’s what you gotta do. Peyton and Harrison? Don’t ya think they got together away from camp to work on the majic they put on the field? Brown and Gannon? Same thing…. Young and Rice? Same….
July 10th, 2009 at 10:57 am
thanks RR, Good stuff!
July 10th, 2009 at 10:57 am
When do we get to see more of AD on The Chronicle Live? Anyone know when the rest of the interview will be aired?
July 10th, 2009 at 11:04 am
After a second look I agree AZ, Ellis may have something left and if he can produce this year like he has the last couple with either Burgess and/or T.Scott on the opposite side we should have something special on the D-line.
As far as Burgess tude goes, remember the guy was promised a new contract by one person in management (M.L.) who was subsequently fired and so went Burgess chance for a new contract as no-one since has been willing to even talk to him about a new contract. Rightly so I might add since Burgess can’t seem to stay healthy.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:13 am
I f*ckin hate Warren Sapp.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:16 am
BAG Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 10:32 am
We have veterans on the D-line D.Burgess has played 9 years and is 30. G.Warren also has played 9 years and is 30. T. Kelley is 28 and 6 years and T. Sands is 29 and 7 years. That’s plenty of veteran direction if that’s all that’s needed. Also correction on Ellis’age. Ellis is 33 not 35, I believe and has been in the league 12 years.
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I am still not sold on this “veteran” D-Line. These guys should be in the midst of their prime production years…should be looking forward to one last big contract. Instead, I see a lot of guys that have as much…if not more to prove…than the rookies and younger players.
The offense will significantly outperform the defense in 2009
July 10th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Surprised to see the Girlish Raccoon in here so early, she’s usually in bed getting her beauty rest.
Man, I sure hope Krappy isn’t all bent out of shape today like he was yesterday. I know he’s probably so geeked up about cutting and pasting some new boring articles around Jamarcus doing his receiver camp that he’ll crap his pants just turning on the computer.
And where the heck has Charged Down been? I’m sure tennis camp is going great, but you can’t work on your forehand all day, especially with his frail teenage frame.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Look partner, if you wanna meet, just let me know. I am in S. Sac!!
No wounder you don’t like me B!tcHam, you think I am “Girlish”, it is clear now, you only like BOYS.
Did you go to your boy loving hero’s (M. Jackson) service?
July 10th, 2009 at 11:36 am
First Ellis is only 33 not 35. Second Burgess has one year left in his contract, so this is most likely his last year. I think a rotation between with Ellis & Burgess as starters, Richardson as a back on running downs and Scott as a back up on passing downs is the best bet. Ellis is not bad against the run for a DE just under 270lbs, but he is a great passrusher. He will help the run defense improve slightly but he will improve the pass rush greatly. Also, how likely is it that all our DE make it through the season with out injury. It is not a bad thing to have back ups with the talent of a starter. I’m tired of everyone wanting Fargas gone, and Trevor Scott with still get plunty of time in the DE rotation, may even start a game or 2. Aquirering Ellis will improve tne team and will hopefully help with the developement of Richarson.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:36 am
ok, so now it’s gonna get interesting…
i need some popcorn…
July 10th, 2009 at 11:44 am
cfrylopez,
Its not that people want Fargas gone…its that the Raiders need to get more playmakers on the field. Fargas is a solid player with a great work ethic. But the running back has to score touchdowns and he has to be able to move the ball. To have 218 carries and only 1 TD and a 3.9 yds per carry…is not the Powerplant for a high end offense. Those are the stats of a role player. Plus he can’t catch.
DMAC and Bush give more versatility and big play ability. Period.
Hopefully Tom Cable can manage the roster and give each player an appropriate role on this team that will give the Raiders the best chance to win
July 10th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Look Lady, if you want to meet up with dudes over the internet there are plenty of dating sites for that.
I’m sure it can’t be that hard for a gal like yourself to find a man in Sacramento. Or even South Sacramento, which sounds about as cool as Barstow or Garden Grove.
Anyway Girlish Raccoon, the point is you come across as a desperate little slut trying to find man love on this blog. Guys will be interested in you if you play “hard to get” and not mention you’ll do anything and everything to please a man.
Hope this helps, young lady. Now good luck.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Florida Pete Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 11:36 am
ok, so now it’s gonna get interesting…
i need some popcorn…
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25th ranked run defense….over or under?
July 10th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
Way to make a scorched-earth entrance there, BAG. Nothing like coming in and hurling flame-throwers, and then trying to subtly back-track before anybody notices you might be wrong about something. Funny stuff. LMN and KK could learn a lot from a guy like you.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
I think we will have a top 10 run defense this year if the offense comes together like you say it will. Teams simply won’t “sit” on the ball if we have a lead.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
The Defense +/- 25th?
Those days are over.
Aren’t they?
July 10th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Aside from public humiliation, what happens if they just don’t sign DHB? Will they be penalized? They should just call it a wash, and not waste anymore money on another 1st Rnd bust **cough**Huff**cough**
July 10th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
Problem WAS…when teams had the lead on us, when they “sat” on the ball (read: ran it), they sat on it with impunity — gaining hundreds of yards.
If…IF…the “new” Offense actually can increase their points-per-game average up from 16+ pts to 23+ pts, the defense won’t see too many teams sitting on anything.
The leap from 16+ to 23+ is huge…and means all of the Offense’s dreams have come true (and Al’s and ours, too. Most of ours, anyway).
That leap would do two things…first, it would instantly make the Defense’s job MUCH easier…but, it would also probably mean a Playoff berth for the Raiders, even if the Defense was nothing more than average.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Hundreds of yds???
You mean over the course of the season, I’m sure.
What you would be looking for is a drastic reduction in run attempts against us if opponents don’t sit on the ball.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
I hear what you guys are saying about the team not getting leads and all…but I also saw a few games where WE had the lead going into the 4th QTR and the defense was nowhere to be found…..
Except the Jets game and Broncos game. Those two were complete games by the defense.
I only bring this up like a skipping record…because the run defense to me is the still the biggest weakness of this team and the part of the team that I follow closely.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Post 11 SnB you’re spot on. Guys like Ellis cry about reps but the reason Ellis doesn’t get reps against a team like the Giants is no mystery – they’re a running team!
Burgess, Ellis, Scott are all pass rush specialists. Worse yet, they play in front of Howard and Morrison – pass defending LBs. Worse still, they play in a man-to-man scheme where the DBs turn their backs to the line.
It all adds up to the same thing – a pathetic run D. Look at our schedule this year. We don’t play the 1984 Dolphins. We play a bunch of run-first teams. But hey, we drafted a back-up SS in trade for Ron Brace so it is all good.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
SnB Defense Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 11:57 am
Florida Pete Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 11:36 am
ok, so now it’s gonna get interesting…
i need some popcorn…
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25th ranked run defense….over or under?
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tough tough question…
i’m thinking 25th might be spot on…
better than last year only because the offense should be able to stay on the field longer…
July 10th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
OH and WAKE UP!
In 2007 WE WON TIME OF POSSESSION and the D blew SIX 2nd half leads.
IN @))* WE WON TIME OF POSSESION and the D choked again and again.
THE “THEY’RE TIRED” EXCUSE IS BULL!
July 10th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
ottocrat Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Aside from public humiliation, what happens if they just don’t sign DHB? Will they be penalized? They should just call it a wash, and not waste anymore money on another 1st Rnd bust **cough**Huff**cough**
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Can’t judge the kid based on a couple of workout sessions in May. He’s still the same kid that Al Davis wanted since the combine.
DHB is definitely in limelight now. Both on the Raiders and in the media. They will be very patient with him and bring him along based on how he performs. He certainly has a lot of competition…I have a feeling that JLH and Schilens…even Murphy won’t be giving up their positions easily. And that’s a good thing
July 10th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
A top `10 run defense?
Give me what he is smoking!
What changes have been made during the off season to convince you of this?
July 10th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
i say let’s trade DHB prior to signing him …
to anyone who will take sam williams…
yeah, that’s it…
we get nothing…
but it’s a big nothing…
July 10th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Take the over on the 25th ranked Run D! Denver, SD and KC will all try to run first. Den & KC have no choice. We also face two heavy RUN divisions – the AFC North and NFC East. The Raiders have been over 25th pretty consistently and have done nthing personnel-wise. A new DC? Good for most teams but remember this is Oakland. Al insists on running the D we’ve been running.
Take the over!
July 10th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
jhill Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
I think we will have a top 10 run defense this year if the offense comes together like you say it will. Teams simply won’t “sit” on the ball if we have a lead.
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top ten defense???
now that’s some funny schit…
July 10th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
I said top ten RUN defense IF the offense plays as well as SnB expects it to.
What are YOU guys on?
July 10th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
The Kool Aid gang acts like the TB game was the Super Bowl ok then let’s look at the TB game…
The Oakland offense runs all over TB and scores 30+
The D?
Allowed a hundred yard rusher…
Let TB almost come back to win (the Raider O held them off)
Held a “phoning it in” TB team to 27 friggin points!
The Offense isn’t going to fix this Defense.
July 10th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
jhill Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
I said top ten RUN defense IF the offense plays as well as SnB expects it to.
What are YOU guys on?
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now that schit’s even funnier !!!
(you do know we were 31st against the run last year, yes?)
July 10th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
Yeah, I have to take the over on the run defense until further notice.
The Raiders didn’t upgrade any position on the front 7.
Greg Ellis and a healthy Derrick Burgess is a push….Brown will remain at SLB, Morrison at MLB
The only change we might see is Ryan Boschetti taking the backup spot from Terdell Sands
July 10th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Jhill it ain’t happening…see the TB game.
See the SD home game we were in until the Run D choked late. Teams will run until they absolutely can’t. Down by 14 in the 4th? Other than that teams will neutralize our best defenders Asomough and CJ by simply running it.
If they Raiders have weapons on offense how do you keep them off the field? Oh that’s right – run the ball.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Can’t judge the kid based on a couple of workout sessions in May. He’s still the same kid that Al Davis wanted since the combine.
DHB is definitely in limelight now. Both on the Raiders and in the media. They will be very patient with him and bring him along based on how he performs. He certainly has a lot of competition…I have a feeling that JLH and Schilens…even Murphy won’t be giving up their positions easily. And that’s a good thing
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Yeah, I understand what you’re saying. But, we’re talking about #7 overall money. Is this guy really going to be worth it? I would like him to be, but Murphy may end up being “The guy”. And, as far as “He’s still the same kid that Al Davis wanted since the combine.” Is that actually a good thing?
July 10th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
COW — I for one do not say this Defense will shoot up into the top-10. However, I will say this…IF the Offense somehow finds a way to average more than 23-points per game (that in itself is a big IF), this Defense’s overall ranking will increase accordingly.
I do not claim the Offense will fix the Defense. But, you might as well take the “Coach” out of your name if you are implying a capable, balanced, and scoring Offense does not affect Defensive schemes, play-calling, adjustments, etc…
The defense lost many games the past few years, not because they were “tired” — all players get tired — but because they broke-down at what always seemed to be the wrong time. Like, play after play sometimes. Great coaching had lots to do with that.
A few tweaks, mostly the same players with a few additions that could be key upgrades, and this defense could be better already — we don’t even know yet.
C’mon, COW — A good Offense ALWAYS makes the Defense’s job easier over the long-haul.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
The way I see it …
1) If our offense plays up to it’s capability, the defense won’t be on the field nearly as much as it has been in the past. Because of that, there will be less run ATTEMPTS per game. We were at the bottom of the league in time of possession last year folks.
2) We have certainly made changes to the Dline. Edwards and Richards certainly won’t be our starting DEs this year, and Warren and TK will be healthy. (I know, that means nothing to some of you.) Gabril “can’t cover your Grandma” Wilson is gone, as are the rest of the bumbling tacklers at S.
3) The Tampa Bay game, the offense didn’t really start clicking until Cadillac got hurt. We were about to go down 31-14 when Cadillac got hurt. Instead, the offense got clicking, and the defense held them at 24, right? Even with Richards getting snaps at DT, and Gunhiem at DE, lol!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
Ottocrat,
Davis is a (Height/Weight/Speed) guy. Heyward-Bey’s measurables has not changed since the draft. Davis will expect that the coaches get him up to speed on catching etc….
Al Davis is going to sign this guy and get him in there. Is it a good thing? I would have to say no. Why? Because I think Chaz Schilens, Johnnie Lee Higgins are better than DHB..and I also think that Louis Murphy and DHB are close to equal.
People forget…Chaz Schilens ran a 4.38 40 yard dash at 6′4 225lbs. The guy can run and is physical…JLH is also is a sub 4.4 guy who has progressed in each of his last two years and is now going into his 3rd year.
Louis Murphy is a hard working guy that Cable is going to really like and Murphy has more production behind him and he is hungry for an opportunity as a 4th round pick.
I actually feel a little bad for DHB. He doesn’t deserve all this scrutiny and he has a tough road to climb come training camp
July 10th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
You guys need to go back and check those games!
Despite, and I do mean DESPITE an inept offense, we were in a lot of games last year through 3 qtrs. What, are they all of a sudden going to suck through 3 qtrs this year even though we are healthy and upgraded at certain positions? Simply because we were bad in years past? WOW! What an outlook.
Thats sort of along the lines of the Jamarcus is going to suck this year despite the helluva performances by JRuss the last what 7 games of the year?
July 10th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
`yeah, right, that ain’t going to happen in Oakland’- Playoffs maybe in a year, SB looks to be 3 years off
July 10th, 2009 at 1:31 pm
jhill Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
You guys need to go back and check those games!
Despite, and I do mean DESPITE an inept offense, we were in a lot of games last year through 3 qtrs. What, are they all of a sudden going to suck through 3 qtrs this year even though we are healthy and upgraded at certain positions? Simply because we were bad in years past? WOW! What an outlook.
Thats sort of along the lines of the Jamarcus is going to suck this year despite the helluva performances by JRuss the last what 7 games of the year?
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Yeah but JRuss is a young QB at 24yrs old beginning his 2nd year as a starter with a lot of coaching turnover.
Most of the defense is made up of veterans who should be in the prime of their respective careers:
Burgess, Kelly, Warren, Sands, Morrison….We still have to teach these vets “fundamentals” all over again.
The team still has no SLB to speak of…and the safety position is in flux.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
beeecham Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Look Lady, if you want to meet up with dudes over the internet there are plenty of dating sites for that.
I’m sure it can’t be that hard for a gal like yourself to find a man in Sacramento. Or even South Sacramento, which sounds about as cool as Barstow or Garden Grove.
Anyway Girlish Raccoon, the point is you come across as a desperate little slut trying to find man love on this blog. Guys will be interested in you if you play “hard to get” and not mention you’ll do anything and everything to please a man.
Hope this helps, young lady. Now good luck.
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If you are right, then I will not be much of a challenge for you, right. I big strong man like your self should be able to handle a “Girlish” “desperate” little guy like myself…Right???
AM PM gas station on the corner of Amhurst and Florin Road.
You name the time, big fella.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
What about DEFENSIVE Time of Possession?
It’s really easy to blame the offense for TOP but how many times did Lechler pin a team inside their 10 only to watch the D give up a time consuming drive?
Top 10 Defenses like Baltimore don’t rely on the offense – they help the offense.
It is pathetic to see a defense come out of the locker room at halftime and have the opponent march down the field. Even more pathetic to have people blame that march on the offense.
We all hope the tweeks will fix the defense because we have no choice.
jhill – The fact you said the Defense “held them to 24 points” after their RB got hurt is proof of how bad the D was. “We can hold a team to ONLY 24 points if their #1 RB gets hurt!” Yeah! That’s a D to be proud of! If we can just take out all the #1 RBs before we play them we can have a shot at the top 10!
July 10th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
4-8-BUF 48 (2:06) 9-S.Lechler punts 44 yards to BUF 4, Center-59-J.Condo, downed by OAK-31-H.Eugene.
Buffalo Bills at 01:54 3rd QTR
1-10-BUF 4 (1:54) 5-T.Edwards scrambles right tackle to BUF 9 for 5 yards (53-T.Howard).
2-5-BUF 9 (1:10) 23-M.Lynch left guard to BUF 9 for no gain (78-F.Wakefield).
3-5-BUF 9 (:30) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 23-M.Lynch to BUF 15 for 6 yards (58-K.Edwards). Dump pass, caught at BUF 5.
End of quarter – 3:20 pm
END QUARTER 3
OAK 16 BUF 14 Plays: 16 Possession: 8:55
4th Quarter
Buffalo Bills drive continues …
1-10-BUF 15 (15:00) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 84-R.Royal to BUF 20 for 5 yards (52-K.Morrison). Caught at BUF 20, crossing from middle.
2-5-BUF 20 (14:18) 5-T.Edwards pass short middle to 23-M.Lynch to BUF 37 for 17 yards (21-N.Asomugha). Dump pass, caught at BUF 21.
1-10-BUF 37 (13:31) 22-F.Jackson right guard to BUF 40 for 3 yards (28-Gi.Wilson, 26-S.Routt).
2-7-BUF 40 (12:48) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass incomplete short middle to 22-F.Jackson (78-F.Wakefield). Pass tipped at line, receiver at OAK 48. PENALTY on OAK-53-T.Howard, Defensive Pass Interference, 11 yards, enforced at BUF 40 – No Play. Oakland challenged the tipped pass ruling, and the play was REVERSED. (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass incomplete short middle to 22-F.Jackson (78-F.Wakefield). Pass tipped at line, receiver at OAK 48.
3-7-BUF 40 (12:43) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 82-J.Reed to BUF 48 for 8 yards (33-T.Branch). Caught at BUF 48, crossing from middle.
1-10-BUF 48 (12:01) 5-T.Edwards pass deep right to 83-L.Evans to OAK 36 for 16 yards (23-D.Hall). Caught at OAK 36, near sideline. PENALTY on BUF-66-D.Dockery, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at BUF 48 – No Play.
1-20-BUF 38 (11:30) 5-T.Edwards pass incomplete short right to 80-D.Schouman. Screen pass, through receiver’s hands at BUF 33.
2-20-BUF 38 (11:24) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short left to 84-R.Royal to OAK 44 for 18 yards (52-K.Morrison). Dump pass, caught at BUF 41.
0-0- Timeout #2 by BUF at 10:43.
3-2-OAK 44 (10:43) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 11-R.Parrish to OAK 32 for 12 yards (23-D.Hall). Caught in flat at OAK 33.
1-10-OAK 32 (10:06) (No Huddle) 5-T.Edwards pass incomplete short right to 83-L.Evans. Underthrown, receiver at OAK 25.
2-10-OAK 32 (10:03) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 82-J.Reed to OAK 14 for 18 yards (52-K.Morrison). Caught at OAK 25, cut to middle after catch.
1-10-OAK 14 (9:30) (Shotgun) 23-M.Lynch left guard to OAK 10 for 4 yards (53-T.Howard, 78-F.Wakefield).
2-6-OAK 10 (8:52) (Shotgun) 5-T.Edwards pass short right to 82-J.Reed to OAK 3 for 7 yards (28-Gi.Wilson). Caught at OAK 4, crossing to middle.
1-3-OAK 3 (8:03) 23-M.Lynch up the middle for 3 yards, TOUCHDOWN. Penalty on OAK-28-Gi.Wilson, Unnecessary Roughness, declined. PENALTY on OAK-28-Gi.Wilson, Disqualification, 15 yards, enforced between downs.
0-0-OAK 2 9-R.Lindell extra point is GOOD, Center-72-R.Neill, Holder-8-B.Moorman.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
I want fargas gone give his carries to Rankin.
July 10th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
# Coach on Wheels Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
The Kool Aid gang acts like the TB game was the Super Bowl ok then let’s look at the TB game…
The Oakland offense runs all over TB and scores 30+
The D?
Allowed a hundred yard rusher…
Let TB almost come back to win (the Raider O held them off)
Held a “phoning it in” TB team to 27 friggin points!
The Offense isn’t going to fix this Defense.
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Haha. Great post.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
I simply THINK this team will be better…I don’t KNOW it.
Across the board, I think they’ve improved in the off-season.
Did they add players to “need positions? Definitely…maybe not all positions were addressed as some of us would like, but needs were addressed where this coaching staff felt necessary.
Did we improve physically? Drastically. Ask McFadden how he feels compared to 6-months ago. Ask the veterans 1-2 years out of surgery/injury, see how they feel now.
Most of the young guys are good to go. Unfortunately, of course, DHB’s gimpy leg means he DOES NOT still possess the thing Al so highly covets: speed, baby. DHB might very well be a special NFL WR — we’ll only see it when he runs, though.
Murphy? Great attitude, nice hands, may be great, too. People claiming they “like” one guy over the other right now are cracking me up — they’re both loaded with potential. This whole team is loaded with potential. Murphy, like all the kids, will find out how hard it is to stay healthy for long in the NFL.
Defense? Talent all over — especially if Ellis adds something and Mitchell is the answer at Safety. Sands and Kelly took way too much heat for last year’s efforts, coming out of what they respectively went through. Healthy again, both guys could have great years. Barring something devastating befalling them, it’s not likely either/both of them completely collapse, anyway.
Even the “slow” LB’s on the team know how AND WHERE to play. Now, the fast LB’s on the team can figure that out. (Thanks again, RR!)
Those things — and if #37 is as solid as last year (and his new contract) showed — make me think the Defense will be just fine.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Ha ha. I decide to give Hayez Daze two days to muster up the ballsack to give a predication as to how many wins the Raiders will have this year, and the pus sy is still offering excuses as to why he’s too scared to make a prediction. This guy will profess all day long to be an expert on the Raiders and the NFL, telling everyone what’s what about the Raiders and every team they’re facing, and labeling anyone who disagrees with him as being ignorant. But ask him to give us a number of how many wins he thinks the Raiders will have, and suddenly he’s backpedaling and playing the pragmatist. Long story short, folks, this guy doesn’t believe in this Raider team one iota more than the average cynical fan does. Why any of you even bother reading his drivel anymore is amazing.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Who left the door open, somrthing rancid just walked in.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
COW wrote:
“jhill – The fact you said the Defense ‘held them to 24 points’ after their RB got hurt is proof of how bad the D was.”
Ha ha. Good eye, coach. Nothing gets by you, man.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
LMN,
I read your post from the prev thread. Thx Dude, I know you understand what it Meant to me.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Are you talking about me, TW?
July 10th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
HayesDaze,
I don’t know much has changed on defense. Mike Mitchell is a rookie coming in from a very small college. he will need time to adjust to the NFL game. Greg Ellis is a decent player and should provide some pass rush…maybe 8 sacks
The rest of the defense is unchanged.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
I simply THINK this team will be better
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How much better do you THINK they will be? Give us a number of wins, ya little girl.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
# i dress in black Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
`yeah, right, that ain’t going to happen in Oakland’- Playoffs maybe in a year, SB looks to be 3 years off
…..
You’ve probably been saying that since 2004.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Oh wow, one of MR showed up.
I predicted two days ago for you,. You get off on pinning people down to a simple guess, and I gave you mine.
8-8. I’ve mentioned it about 6-times since you asked.
See it that time, or do you still want to stir it up just to stir it up?? (I know, stupid question)
Based on things I willingly share (i.e., actual facts as well as opinions), I gave you the prediction that your self esteem seems to rely on for edification.
What else you got for me, MR? Or will you slink away “until next month” and another one of your peronalities pops in in a minute?
July 10th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Coach on Wheels Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
“Teams will run until they absolutely can’t.”
Correction, every team except the Raiders will run until they absolutely can’t. An opposing defense can start the game using a friggin 5 man front on us, and we’ll still drop back and throw.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Coach on Wheels Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
jhill – The fact you said the Defense “held them to 24 points” after their RB got hurt is proof of how bad the D was. “We can hold a team to ONLY 24 points if their #1 RB gets hurt!” Yeah! That’s a D to be proud of! If we can just take out all the #1 RBs before we play them we can have a shot at the top 10!
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your best point was the notion of taking out their top running back…
take a page out of Siragusa’s playbook…
the ol’ elbow to the (in this case) groin outta do the trick…
July 10th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
I predict 8 wins (3-3 in division, wins against Browns, Bengals, Texans, Redskins, Cowboys).
Defense over/under 25th, I say under. We can have the 26th ranked D and it would be an improvement, lol.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
There is only one MR, Hayez. If you think there’s more, tell the mods about it and they’ll check the IPs, and ban any additional people posting under my IP address as it would be against their rules. They’re only going to find one IP address. So give up on the conspiracy angle, moron.
I never caught your prediction. Maybe it’s because you spent the whole time ducking the question? I mean, it did take you a while to come up with the courage to do it, didn’t it? Fair enough. 8-8. But does 8-8 really match up to all of your hyperbolic cheerleading, where you make the Raiders sound like they’re one of the best teams in football? 8-8 is quite mediocre, although it would be an improvement, true.
Basically, what it comes down to is, Hayez Dayes, is that you’re real world prediction of 8-8 is a sobering contrast to most of your bull horn shilling for how great the team is. Again, it shows a conflict in your own conscience. For all of your pie in the sky b.s. on this team, you really don’t believe in them.
The reason I “slink away”, as you put it, is because it’s summer and I’m not interested in spending my entire days on a blog. There really isn’t much football news. I wouldn’t mistake my hiatuses from blogging here for me somehow hiding from you. You’ll notice that every time I’m here, I’m come right after your dumb a ss. If I were afraid of you, I’d try a little harder to avoid you. Wouldn’t I?
8-8. LOL. Some believer…
July 10th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
MR — What a hero…jumping in from the shadows to slam anybody for anything…whether or not he carries facts, he carries that lethal name-calling. Owwweee, it hurts so much.
So, now that I made your much-needed prediction, what’s next, MR? Do I get a prize if I’m right? Will I be punished for being wrong? Oh, no…I was wrong on a GUESS!
Call me another name, MR — it makes me seem so small in comparison to you. You obviously have impressed EVERYBODY (to use one of LMN’s over-used phrases) with your brilliant (lack of) intellect.
What a joke.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Vegas, playing it safe with 8-8 too, huh? I’m hard pressed to believe that you guys have much faith in this team with these 8-8 predictions. Heck, if I were a little more convinced that Cable might run the ball (he won’t), I’d even predict 8-8. 8-8 is a low prediction for a lot of the praise I’m hearing from you and Hayez.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Yup, 8-8. 3-3 in the division, 4-4 at home and 4-4 on the road.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
The Raiders suck…it’s just a matter how sucky they will be in 2009, lol, 2-14 suck schittiness or 7-9 kinda suck but getting less sucky?
July 10th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
Hayez, you can drop the whiny little victim attitude any time you want, sweetheart.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
I say 8-8, get off to decent start and than lose some games they should win. 8 wins will have our confidence going for 2010, than Al will fire Cable and draft a QB, lol.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
HayezDaze, what will happen is that your credibility will be shot if your prediction is way off base, and you know that, which is why you’ve toned down your “faith” in this team by prediction a mediocre 8 wins. My god have I changed your tune by just asking you how many games you think this team will really win. Your boss wouldn’t be proud. LOL…
July 10th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Vegas, I wish I had that much faith. 8 wins is a lot for a Davis puppet who’ll run the ball about 15-20 times a game.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Dakota Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 8:01 am
“Warriors are for sale….Raiderdogg…you got some spare change?”
I have made several overtures to Chris Cohan himself only to be told that if he were to sell the Warriors it wouldn’t be for another 2 years or so. He also told me that he is not sure how this rumor got started because, as of this moment, the Warriors ARE NOT for sale.
I told him that I would cut him a check today, but he is sitting tight for now. Stay tuned…
July 10th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
8-8 won the AFC West in 2008
July 10th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
RaiderDogg,
If you buy the Warriors, name me GM and we will take it to those friggin Lakers!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
MR says:
I never caught your prediction. Maybe it’s because you spent the whole time ducking the question? I mean, it did take you a while to come up with the courage to do it, didn’t it? Fair enough. 8-8. But does 8-8 really match up to all of your hyperbolic cheerleading, where you make the Raiders sound like they’re one of the best teams in football? 8-8 is quite mediocre, although it would be an improvement, true.
Basically, what it comes down to is, Hayez Dayes, is that you’re real world prediction of 8-8 is a sobering contrast to most of your bull horn shilling for how great the team is. Again, it shows a conflict in your own conscience. For all of your pie in the sky b.s. on this team, you really don’t believe in them.
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Like usual, MR — You contradict yourself.
My fairly well-balanced (and articulated, if you read) opinions on why I think the Raiders can realistically improve to 8-8 was given to you within a few posts of your all-important question.
You saying I avoided your assinine (and pointless) question is a sad attempt to prop yourself up (what a shock!).
You say you want me to give a prediction, then you say it wasn’t a good enough prediction for you…
WTF?
If I were to say the team WILL get to 8-8, I’d be a bigger fool than you, MR. I’ll put money on it, but I won’t say it WILL happen.
Having realistice expectations of an improved team, and the possibility of being much better than just “average,” is a great place to be in.
Being miserable all the time must be fun, MR.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
The Raiders will be a 7-9 to 9-7 ball club. The offense will play at a decent level and score the 17-24 per game.
Unfortunately, the defense is going to have a tough time with all those physical teams on the schedule. Expect some Buffaloesque losses this year. Frustrating
July 10th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Hayez, stop twisting words and being a drama queen. I said your prediction doesn’t match your hyperbole. You were talking about the Raiders as if they were one of the best teams in football. In fact, you said several times that they “could” be one of the best (so could any team, btw…). You’re asked a simple question that there’s no way to wiggle out of, and suddenly your rhetoric is toned down from 10 to about 5. That’s my point.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
8 wins isn’t unreasonable. If we lose a QB or RB to injury, we have solid backups. Special Teams will be really good again. Both the offense and defense are works in progress, but both will have flashes both good and bad.
Over/Under is 6 here in the books.
49ers are 6.5
July 10th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Dumbest post of the day:
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Vegas, I wish I had that much faith. 8 wins is a lot for a Davis puppet who’ll run the ball about 15-20 times a game.
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Where are the stats that show Cable will run the ball 15-20 times a game this year?
Talk about shills…
July 10th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Dakota Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
“RaiderDogg,
If you buy the Warriors, name me GM and we will take it to those friggin Lakers!!!”
I am unfamiliar with your body of work, although you have a keen eye for talent, this much I know. How are you at negotiating? We will need to make an immediate free agent “splash” signing. I am willing to overpay someone if need be, but it will have to be someone big, in stature and in name.
The beauty is, if you worked for me in Oakland, you could keep your firearm…
July 10th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Hayez…CALL IT A PREDICTION! I will boldly say right here and now that Cable will run the ball an average of between 15-20 times a game this season. Mark it.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Instead of “quoting” me, why don’t you pull up some of my actual words, MR? Because you know you’re feeding the forum a load of BS.
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Hayez, stop twisting words and being a drama queen. I said your prediction doesn’t match your hyperbole. You were talking about the Raiders as if they were one of the best teams in football. In fact, you said several times that they “could” be one of the best (so could any team, btw…). You’re asked a simple question that there’s no way to wiggle out of, and suddenly your rhetoric is toned down from 10 to about 5. That’s my point.
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Where did I say the Raiders team “could” be one of the best?
Can’t find it, because you know you’re spreading the hyperbole yourself.
My estimations of this team do not have to match-up to my expectations — but you, MR, probably don’t understand that concept, it takes some actual thought.
This team needs to live up to its own expectations…
Nothing a mega-fan like MR seems to understand. To MR, it’s all about slamming real fans who hope for better things. Even see them happening maybe?
July 10th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
Hayez…CALL IT A PREDICTION! I will boldly say right here and now that Cable will run the ball an average of between 15-20 times a game this season. Mark it.
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INterestign view point. Raiders have to get 3 backs the football. I see 25 to 35 per game.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
15-20 would by far be the least rushing attempts a game. To have 20 attempts a game would be 320 a year, we had 459 last year (not sure if sacks are included). The Cardinals had the least at 340 and next were the Colts at 370.
I think we again will be in the top 10 in rushing attempts, maybe top 5. MR, why would you even say 15-20 attempts a game? Are we going to be losing each game by 40 points so we have to pass so much or is Jamarcus going to be like the other two QB’s whose teams ran the ball the least last year, Warner and Peyton?
July 10th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
And, MR — Exactly why is it the Raiders can’t improve over a year ago?
Any other reason than “Uhhh…I just think they’ll be bad”……?
Didn’t think so.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
Why is everyone yelling at eachother about predictions? Is this a Raiders blog where a bunch of “fans” can get together and yack about our team? F*ck, you guys are like a bunch of 4th graders? Where’s “o” and “tw”? Lets yack about the Raiders instead of coming in here and bashing other fans. If you hate the Raiders then take a peak at the San Diego or Denver blog, they have to have one.
My prediction is 9-7 with 5 divisional wins….. Mark it!
July 10th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
This is so bad, I had to repost the dumbest (football) post of the day — if not the year:
Dumbest post of the day:
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
Vegas, I wish I had that much faith. 8 wins is a lot for a Davis puppet who’ll run the ball about 15-20 times a game.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Vegas Raider, 15 to 20. We’re talking about the Raiders. We’re talking about Al Davis. We’re talking about Al laying it all on a 1st round QB. The Raiders average rushing attempts per game will be between 15 and 20. It will be low. Watch.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
And, MR — Exactly why is it the Raiders can’t improve over a year ago?
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Good point. The Raiders didn’t get worse from last year. Got better on the O-Line and FB positions…and all the rest have returning starters with another year of experience.
Just getting Kwame Harris off the field is worth 2 or 3 wins
July 10th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
That’s why I said: Who left the door open, something rancid just walked in.
July 10th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
HayezDaze, I’ll be here in January to take my medicine if I’m wrong. I really do believe we’ll run the ball less than 20 times per game this year. We will set a record. Everything is in place for it, considering Davis’s impatience, Russell, Cable obviously being a puppet. This might be the most Al Davis controlled team in Raider history. More so than Shell’s.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
RaiderTW, do you have a problem with me commenting here?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
This is interesting!!
July 10th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
I say 8-8, or 9-7.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Uh oh…9-7! We’re finally getting a kool aid drinker with the sack to predict a winning record! Hayez and Vegas don’t think so, Raider O. 8-8 is their call.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
As my friend Gilbert said:
” kiss the Rings Baby”
July 10th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
lol
9-7 baby!!
Proud to be a KoolAidedrinker as most of you know.
MR,
If you are looking for a debate, I’m ready sir!
July 10th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Hey Girlish Racoon / Brian -
I’ve been waiting here at the AM PM for like 20 minutes and am going to run down the street to that South Sacramento hot spot Weinerschnitzel for some of your town’s fine cuisine.
I’m sure you’re just putting on your makeup and are out the door, so please wait there until I get back. The lines are usually long at the Schnitz, so it could be many, many hours.
And whatever you do, please try not to get your panties in bunch – I’ll definitely be back.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
BTW, MR, you football historian you — To improve from 5-11 to 8-8 is actually a monumental leap in NFL W-L terms. But, those in here who say it’s possible get belittled by you (owweee!) because it’s not a large enough number.
Could it just possibly be that you want someone to say a high number, just so you can gloat when/if they never reach the number? Naah…a stand-up guy like you wouldn’t do that, would you, MR? I mean, it can’t help you feel better can it? Can it?
If you said it can, I know you lie once more — because even when the Raiders win again, you won’t be happy…there is ALWAYS something to whine about, isn’t there, MR? Always somebody to push-around the playground? What a scary guy.
And…as silly as it seems…8-8 is possible, just like 10-6 is possible, just like Playoffs are possible…
(and yes, just like 4-12 is possible, for the glass-less-than-half crowd)
July 10th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
HayezDaze, I’ll be here in January to take my medicine if I’m wrong. I really do believe we’ll run the ball less than 20 times per game this year. We will set a record. Everything is in place for it, considering Davis’s impatience, Russell, Cable obviously being a puppet. This might be the most Al Davis controlled team in Raider history. More so than Shell’s.
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If your right I’ll change my prediction to 5-11… Our backs are some of the best in the league IMO, if I’m the coach and i only run 15-20 a game I expect to be fired mid-season.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Raider O, let’s debate. Throw out a topic.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
What kills you, MR, is that I take away all your arguments against me, and you’re left flailing and figuratively chest-thumping.
When your only attack is that people actually have faith in their team, you’ve got nothing.
The most important thing is to prove YOUR prediction right…not what the team actually does.
MR is no fan of the Raiders and no fan of football as a sport.
MR’s sport is this right here…
…circling the blog like a vulture, looking for an easy target, then clumsily flailing away while cackling something unintelligible…only to scurry-off in a cloud of tail-feathers and sh#t until he needs another dose of humiliation.
One healthy emotional life you lead there, MR.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
# Raider O Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
As my friend Gilbert said:
” kiss the Rings Baby”
…….
How many rings do the current Raiders have, altogether?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
9-7 Baby!!
Last year we finished 5-11!!
As my friend Dell told me, the past is not an indication for what will happen. ( he said it better)
We miss you Dell, it’s almost mid July!!
July 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
Hayez, are you upset right now because I cut you down to your knees and have you predicting only 8 wins, with other fans now stepping up and predicting 9, and thus taking your title of biggest fan? Ha ha. Hey, if you really believed in your team, you would have just predicted 9 or 10 wins, too. You predicted 8. 8. That’s all. Don’t get mad at me. It’s your prediction.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
MR,
Topic: next season, and my prediction of 9-7.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
This Dell sounds like another Davis worshiping moron.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
HD says;
MR’s sport is this right here…
…circling the blog like a vulture, looking for an easy target, then clumsily flailing away while cackling something unintelligible…only to scurry-off in a cloud of tail-feathers and sh#t until he needs another dose of humiliation.
One healthy emotional life you lead there, MR.
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The Real MaddenRaider Says:
RaiderTW, do you have a problem with me commenting here?
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Who doesn’t?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
San Diego Chargers rookie running back Curtis Brinkley was hospitalized in stable condition Friday after being shot at a suburban Philadelphia intersection, authorities said.
Brinkley, 23, was shot multiple times early Friday morning as his car was stopped at an intersection in Cheltenham, police said. Investigators are looking for a gunman who fled the scene in a car. They did not have a motive.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Fair enough, Raider O. 4 wins. That’s my prediction. A team that’s as bad as we’ve been in the past 6 years making no moves in upper management tells me that the Raiders have no intentions of changing anything. They just expect to win at some point rolling the dice. That doesn’t work in today’s league.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
MR,
That was just something a friend said, and I said it for fun.
To answe your question, when you say “current Raiders” do you mean players or the organization.
Players: 0
organization AKA Al Davis: 3
July 10th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Raider TW, what are you guys who don’t like me commenting here going to do about it?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Raider O, I meant a total count of SB rings of all current Raiders, from the owner on down. No players have a ring. Al has 3. You know, teams like the Pats and the Steelers have a few more. So when you hear Davis worshipers saying “kiss the rings”, it’s kind of funny. In fact, if you were to tally up the rings of every team, from the owner on down, I think 3 would be on the low end of the league, wouldn’t it? And since Al’s the only one with the rings, maybe he ought to suit up.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Tuff as a Jonas Brother.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Ummm, MR — Didn’t you “quote” me above…and didn’t I ask you to find the quote?
Couldn’t find it? Does this mean that you, MR, actually tried to spread a falsehood (read: LIE) to win your point?
MR — Aren’t you the guy that was lecturing me about credibility a few posts back?
I doubt many people in this forum need to worry about their credibility with you as the ultimate arbiter*, MR.
*Sorry if I’m using big words, but most other people in here can actually comprehend what those words mean, MR. Phonetics…give ‘em a try. Hell…I’m sure KK can give you some of his old Ebonics lesson books if you want. They saved the Oakland school system, you know. Well, they would have…if it weren’t for that bast@rd Al Davis!!
July 10th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
MR,
Just to remind you sir:
I don’t appreciate insults.
I also noticed that you pay a lot of attention to details. I’m the same way sir, so be more specific.
Why only 4 wins? More details: draft, D, etc……
July 10th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
TW, it’s great that you know what a Jonas boner looks like. But what are you guys going to do about me commenting here? It’s a simple question.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Hayez, it’s obvious you’re upset that I punked you into predicting only 8 wins, and now people are coming in and predicting 9, out hawking you on the fan scale. Hey, don’t worry. You’re going to be looking a lot better than they will in January, when we’ve won only 4 games. Your prediction beats theirs. So, don’t second guess yourself.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
LOL…ok, “sir”.
I don’t need to break down our draft and each player by position to support my prediction of 4 wins. With our system, we can have the pro bowl roster and we’ll lose.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Madden Raider,
What do you want us to do. Trust me no one cares if you comment here, nor do we take your oppinions or predictions with any interest? Are you in need of attention?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
I predicted 4 wins last year, Raider O. I was one win off. And I didn’t have to break down every position and every draft pick. If I’m right, I’m right. My predictions have been no more than a couple of games off since 2003. You can check and see if the San Jo Mecury News still has posts from then in their archives. Track “MatuzSAC”. That’s the name I used then.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
MR doesn’t even know what “our” system is.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
AZ Raider, hugest LOL ever at your claim that you don’t take my predictions or opinions seriously. I control the conversation here, every time I show up. Every time. And you know it.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
MR,
lol @ sir! I do say it a lot!
I say 9-7 because of our system.
We are good at rushing the ball: last year 10th, and the year before 6th. We were better than that, but we lacked a passing game correct?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
MR doesn’t even know what “our” system is.
……
Actually, that would be you.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
MatuzSac + MR = MRSac
July 10th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
That’s a great moniker. Perfect.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Raider O, we only rushed the ball the last few games last year. If we do it, we might be 9-7. But we won’t. I’ve made a prediction regarding that, as well. I do think Tom Cable is a puppet. Al Davis just drafted a QB in the first round a few years ago, a cannon arm, at that. Al has no intentions of running the ball. And as you all well know, it’s Al’s team. We will not win more than 4 games, we will not average one carry more than 20 per game.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
John Matuzscak, one of my favorite Raider players (sp?), Sacramento, where I’m from. And, sure, I have a sack, too. Unlike you so called faithful fans being punked into only predicting 8 wins. LOL.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
MR,
Dude, answer me so I can continue with my side of the Debate!! lol
I agree about Al’s system, and we will talk about Cable, but let me finish pls.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Sac: as in a pocket of puss?
So apropo.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Answer what?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
A pocket of puss? Is that like pocket pool, Hayes? You know about that.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Man, MR — You are sooooooooo easy today. About to get “punk’d” (using your bad-ass blog vernacular) by RaiderO now.
Too funny. Let me get another beer…
July 10th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
We were 10th and 6th in rushing the last few years. We could gave done better at rushing, but we lacked a passing game correct??
July 10th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Gave: have. Sorry.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Borrow those books from KK, MR…you’d be able to sound-out that tough one-syllable word. Oh, and you might actually realize it’s different than that oh-so-nasty-word you mean. What a bad boy you are, MR!
Isn’t your hour on the computer at the halfway house about up?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
We still do lack a passing game, Raider O. We don’t have an NFL caliber qb.
Hayez, I’m sorry, did you say something? We’re trying to have a football discussion here.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Hayez, we’re talking football now. We already did the whole insult thing, and you got owned, as usual. Now we’re talking football. Just wait in your corner until we start talking smack again.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
Oh, I forgot, we do have Garcia. But he will not play, unless Russell gets hurt. So, as it stands, in our current depth chart, we are not starting a quarterback who has the mechanics nor brains to operate at the NFL level.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
You probably understand math as well (?) as you do language skills, so I’ll make it easier for you…
Mickey’s BIG hand has gone around the dial a few times since they told you you had one-hour on the computer. That means, it’s waaaay past your nap-time….
Always good to awaken freshened, and ready to spew new hatred, isn’t it?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
MR,
I’m not there yet, so can you pls just answer post # 153.
Could we have done better, if we had a better passing game?
July 10th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Hayez, I’m no longer reading your childish comments, just so you know. You may sucker some people into giving you the attention you crave, but I won’t be one of them. I already got what I wanted from you, idiot.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
I answered that, Raider O. My answer is that we still do not have a passing game. Nothing has changed. We didn’t have a passing game then, we don’t have one now. But we will still throw the ball. We haven’t had a passing game since 2002.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
MR,
I will go over all your points, but let’s not rush this debate. It sucks the fun out of it. lol
July 10th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Of course we could have done better if we had a better passing game. We didn’t, and we still don’t. Couldas and wouldas, now? You can do better than that, “sir”.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
oooh, ok. Sir.
July 10th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
MR,
I’m not asking you about now, I asked if we could have done better the LAST few years??
July 10th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
Inconsistent QB, bad o-line, horrid WRs all add up 2 one thing……….. no passing game. This year will be no different than the last 2, mark it down, in ink.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Of course we could have. You are making no sense. Would you be a porn star if you had a 12 inch dong? Yes, you would. But you don’t. What in the h ell is your point?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
MR — I’m half-dazed and still smacking you around. Isn’t this fun?! It’s even more fun when I’m fully-dazed (and just as easy — which doesn’t say much for your skills as a debate wiz, big guy).
July 10th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
MR,
I can and I will my friend.
So now since you agree that we could have done better, if we had a passing game.
The Questions is why didn’t we have a passing game?
Was due to JR, OLine, play calling, lack of WRs, etc..
What do you think?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
The Raiders have no sign of a passing game, right now. No real effective passing scheme (still vertical). No possession receivers. No deep threats (at least not any that can actually catch the ball). No quarterback that understands the nuances of the NFL passing defense, and how to effectively audible around it (well, we have one, but he’ll be on the bench, carrying Russel’s towel). The Oakland Raiders have not had a passing game since using Gruden’s in 2002.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
MR,
Are we talking Raiders or DONGs!!!!??
July 10th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Hayez, I’m sorry, were you saying something? I wasn’t aware you were still here.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
Raider O, the point on dongs was that an actual Raiders passing game exists just like your 12 inch dong does.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
MR,
Let’s talk about QB 1st, so we make it easy? You agree?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
For a guy who’s not reading my posts, you sure do answer them a lot, MR!
Another lie — which we’ve come to expect — so no big shock.
Maybe your name should change to MRLyingSac? That would be perfect!
I sure hope everybody out there’s enjoying this Friday afternoon entertainment!
July 10th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Let’s hope Greg Ellis isn’t floored by the eccentrics of the Raider Organization like other Vets who’ve come here from winning organizations.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
beeecham Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Hey Girlish Racoon / Brian -
I’ve been waiting here at the AM PM for like 20 minutes and am going to run down the street to that South Sacramento hot spot Weinerschnitzel for some of your town’s fine cuisine.
I’m sure you’re just putting on your makeup and are out the door, so please wait there until I get back. The lines are usually long at the Schnitz, so it could be many, many hours.
And whatever you do, please try not to get your panties in bunch – I’ll definitely be back.
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Just give me a time big guy, I’ll be there.
You won’t have to guess who I am.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
If we would have drafted Crabtree, we’d have something in the passing game. Big time. Guy’s a solid set of hands and could have made an immediate impact as a possession receiver, which would have been huge. You get Garcia and Crabtree out there, and s’t, 10 wins would be possible. Al had other plans, and 4-12 will be the result.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
AZ Raider, hugest LOL ever at your claim that you don’t take my predictions or opinions seriously. I control the conversation here, every time I show up. Every time. And you know it.
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It appears Raider O is manhandling you my child LOL
July 10th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
MR,
Have you had the honor of meeting my Dong, maybe it 12″!! lol
July 10th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Raider O, this is getting stupid because you’re asking me questions, I’m answering them, then your response is to keep telling me to answer the question, in which I have, several times. This isn’t a debate. It’s you baiting me into some stupid dance with you, perhaps to take me out of my game, and it’s over…sir!
July 10th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
If we would have drafted Crabtree, we’d have something in the passing game. Big time. Guy’s a solid set of hands and could have made an immediate impact as a possession receiver, which would have been huge. You get Garcia and Crabtree out there, and s’t, 10 wins would be possible. Al had other plans, and 4-12 will be the result.
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We already have a Crabtree in Schilens, what to we need another short yard pass & YAC guy for?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Raider O, again, the point about your 12 inch dong is that you don’t have one.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
AZ Raider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
“We already have a Crabtree in Schilens,”
…..
For the sake of you, your family, and everyone you know; get your head examined.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
MR,
I get it dude, move on!! Let’s talk QB!
July 10th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
SO B!tcHam, you are from S. Sac also??? No??
Hmm.. what hood??
School?? Year?? Sports??
July 10th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
Raider O, I’ve been talking QB for the better part of an hour now. If you’ve got something to say, say it. If it makes sense, I’ll give you props. If it’s stupid, I’ll clown you. Those are the new rules of our debate…sir!
July 10th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Are you from South Side, Raccoon?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
RaiderO making MR look like a schoolboy.
If you answer all those questions, MR…O will make you contradict yourself…like usual.
O — MR can’t answer specifics about THIS team, because he can’t forget LAST year or the years before that (unless they were GOOD years…those conveniently get ignored).
MR’s “predictions” are based on nothing but his personal feelings — and he throws out “stats” about last year like he actually knows what they were. But, if one doesn’t go back to verify the facts, he (like a few notable others in here) beats his chest (ostensibly) and claims “victory” in discussions where there are no such tangible things.
But, he won’t read this post…he’s ignoring them all. He’ll tell you that, because he can’t help but lie to support his lies. Ultimate folly.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Girlish Raccoon, where have you been hiding all day? While I’ve been chilling at the AM PM, you’ve been mysteriously absent. I know you probably had some lady appointments but that does not make up for the fact you don’t keep your commitments.
I know women are flakey these days, but I thought you chicks in South Sacramento were different.
Anyway, I’m still at Weinerschnitzel but will be back at the AM PM soon. Get in your Prius and head down there down, you little lush. If I’m not there when you arrive, I’ll be there soon.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Hayes, you know you’re on ignore, right? I’m not reading any of your long winded, childish b.s. I’m just seeing the oversized, unnecessary comment, and shaking my head. I already exposed you when I got you to admit that you don’t think the Raiders are any better than a .500 team, despite all of your hyperbole. I’m done with you.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Dude/MR,
I think Russell is going to surprise some folks this year. For the 1st time since he got here, he’s had a competent coaching and a “normal” offseason.
The defense is my big issue. I see the defense as remaining the achillies heel of this team. Nothing was done to improve the run defense and the safety positions are unknowns.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
MR,
I like the new rules!! Are You sure you want to play?
I would rather talk to you with respect, and dame from you. I leave it up to you.
Let me know, so I can start talking QB.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
Lady Raccoon, I assure you we played different sports in school. Where I come from, guys weren’t allowed on the softball, cheerleading or synchronized swimming teams.
And seriously, you silly little bitch, do you really think anyone on this blog is from the South side of Sacramento? Everyone here can at least read, write and would not date any of their siblings.
But then there’s Krappy, who craps his pants all day. But that’s a whole other story.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
SnB Defense Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Dude/MR,
I think Russell is going to surprise some folks this year.
……
Only the people who believe in him.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Are you from South Side, Raccoon?
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205, Tracy boy, or Honda boy, or whatever you go by these days, you know where I am from, you know what High School I went to, what years I played Football.
What about it?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Raider O, talk qb. Go. Get on with it, for crying out loud. you’re slowly earning your way to my ignore bin, with your buddy Hayez. Just acting f’n weird.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
dame: same, sorry.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
BitcHam,
so what Weinerschnitzel are you at? I am mobil.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
Raccoon, I’m not from Tracy. East Sacramento. Born and raised. Never been to Tracy in my life. No, I don’t know what years you went to high school, and played football. Did you tell me before? If so, I forgot. No offense. Care to tell me again?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
O,
MR, thinks Garcia is the best we got. Whats to talk about? Anyhew, we used to just ingnore this guy and he went back to his San Diego blog for a long time. Now he’s back and stirring it up. He is approaching zero football knowlege with every post. I’d asume let him come in here and vent his frustrations (masturbation might work better IMO) and dont respond…
July 10th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
SnB
Looking at the Tampa Game, AGAIN, people say that if the Offense scores regularly that will carry the Defense. In that game even though we were efficient offensively, If Cadillac hadn’t gone down, who knows?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
beeecham Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Girlish Raccoon, where have you been hiding all day? While I’ve been chilling at the AM PM, you’ve been mysteriously absent. I know you probably had some lady appointments but that does not make up for the fact you don’t keep your commitments.
I know women are flakey these days, but I thought you chicks in South Sacramento were different.
Anyway, I’m still at Weinerschnitzel but will be back at the AM PM soon. Get in your Prius and head down there down, you little lush. If I’m not there when you arrive, I’ll be there soon.
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If you busted out a laptop at the only Weinerschnitzel close by, yer azz would get jacked in bout….mmm 30 seconds or so.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
AZ, I’ve never been to a Charger blog. Sorry. You guys are going to have to give up on your conspiracy angle. It’s one thing to get your asses handed to you discussing Raider football (which is what happens when you try to make the Raiders look good), but when you reveal yourselves to be conspiracy dorks in the process, it adds insult to injury.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
lol,
JR started 15 games last year, and he didnt play much the year before, correct?
so his 1st season was last year, agree/
July 10th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Raccon, where are you from?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
It looks like Dwaine Board did produce some good D-Lines in Seattle, though.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
AZ,
I enjoy a good debate, as you can tell.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Raccoon, are you from Gardens? Any of the 20s? Valley Hi? Danger island? Detroit street? Think anyone from Tracy would know of any of these spots?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
Hayes, you know you’re on ignore, right? I’m not reading any of your long winded, childish b.s.
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Once again a lie…and a contradiction all at once!!
MR, you top yourself once more. You are re-defining the term “dumb post.”
July 10th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Chick Raccoon, how many freaking Weinerschnitzels are there in South Sacramento? Man, I’ve known some bimbos in my life but you take the cake.
Anyway, I’m in the drive thru now but then I’ll park and eat my chili cheese fries until your dumb ass shows up.
What color dress are you wearing so I’ll know it’s you?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
MR,
I know he made a lot of mistakes, but 13TDs and 8INTS is not bad, even you have to agree on that.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
not bad for a 1st tear starter/
July 10th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
year, sorry. I switched PCs and I’m not used to this keyboard.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Hayez, I’m ignoring your long winded content, not the fact that you’re here. I’ll always recognize that you’re in the room and will make fun of you, but there’s just no reason anymore to respond to your content because I already exposed your ass today for being a fake shill.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
MR,
do you agree?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Beeecham Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
how many freaking Weinerschnitzels are there in South Sacramento? Man, I’ve known some bimbos in my life but you take the cake.
Anyway, I’m in the drive thru now but then I’ll park and eat my chili cheese fries
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Ahhhh, now I see why you’re fascinated with Arbys. lmao.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Raider O, I agree. Russell could have been worse. But I still don’t believe he’s an NFL quarterback. Garcia’s another story. Our only prayer at getting those 9 wins you predict is if Garcia’s our starter.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
MR,
did JR get help from his WRs and his Oline?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
S. Sac. Freeport and Meadowview near Tamoshanter and 24th.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
MR,
he did very well for a 1st year starter, 2 play callers, 2 HCs, and no WRS ( other than Miller, and Chaz and JLH late in the season), and no help from the Oline?
so why not think he is going to get better?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
SnB
Looking at the Tampa Game, AGAIN, people say that if the Offense scores regularly that will carry the Defense. In that game even though we were efficient offensively, If Cadillac hadn’t gone down, who knows?
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Probably don’t win that game. Probably lose in a frustrating manner in the last couple of minutes
When the run defense is ranked 31st and the overall is 27th…that’s just bad football. Sure the offense could be better…but a defense worth its salt isn’t consistently ranked in the bottom 5 year in and year out.
As someone pointed out earlier…in 2007 this same defense blew several 4th QTR leads…its a bad defense.
Why is it bad?
1. The scheme is flawed…ask for dominante front 4 play but rely on journeyman to get the job done. As a result they get pushed around and man handled
2. No linebacker pressure. The entire linebacking corps combined for 2 sacks last year
3. Safeties don’t do anything
4. No attention paid to run defense….lots of athletic, speedy players…not too many hitters, not too many power guys. Mike Mitchell…a controversial 2nd rd pick from Ohio U becomes the most physical player on defense once he steps on the field
July 10th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Hayez, I’m ignoring your long winded content, not the fact that you’re here. I’ll always recognize that you’re in the room and will make fun of you, but there’s just no reason anymore to respond to your content because I already exposed your ass today for being a fake shill.
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Mr, is doing a good job at ignoring Hayes by replying to every post he puts up LOL!
July 10th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
we added 2 OTs, a new C,drafted a WR in the 1st round, so why not think that he can get better/ and don’t forget its the same play caller since the end of last year, that can only help. IMHO
July 10th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Raider O, I agree. Russell could have been worse. But I still don’t believe he’s an NFL quarterback. Garcia’s another story. Our only prayer at getting those 9 wins you predict is if Garcia’s our starter.
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You mortgage the future playing Garcia. He’s 39 years old. You have to try and develop the young QB.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Raider O, no, Russell did not get help from his WR and his o line, and I don’t see any reason for that to change this year, unfortunately. I’m not impressed with any moves Al’s made. Davis’s decision to pass on Crabtree is more evidence that he should be removed from the team somehow. Russell is going into this season with the same hand as last season. I doubt he’ll play it any better. Garcia is our shot.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Because I don’t shill, MR. I’m an Al Davis loyalist and a Raiders fan who TRIES to be realistic in my assessments of the team…based on MORE THAN just my personal feelings or biases.
I say I TRY to be realistic, because I know it’s hard for one to be objective when one has already claimed to prefer one side over another.
It’s why I TRY to rely on stats to prove my points, and not just my opinion. Sometimes, my math’s wrong, but my opinions and stats are separate things, and I make distinct differences between the two.
So, I admit a big fault there, MR — something you will never do, even though there are many on display every time you “step” in here.
MR, I nominate you not only for membership, but for the Bored Of Directors for the Psychologically Illogical Stubborn Hall Of Fame Foundation (PISHOFF). You could even be king!
July 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
AZ, I’m ignoring Hayez content, not his presence. I know with your attention span that’s tough to grasp, but it’s the truth. Weren’t you the one who said that you guys ignore me? Ha ha. I act, you guys react. And that’s always the way it will be in here. You know it. I control you.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Hayez, we’re finished. Why waste the bandwidth?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Hey Krappy. Sorry, I just don’t have time to hang out with you today, Brian came back to the blog disguised as the Girlish Raccoon. So obviously I’ve been taking care of that problem.
Anyway, I hope you haven’t crapped the pajamas too many times today and kept your head out of the microwave. But we’ll pick it up again soon, you old goat. Have a great Friday night keeping KrappyWife unsatisfied.
Talk soon, my old pal.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
I’m not saying JR will go to the PB this season, but what are we asking him to do.
we will run the ball, throw Short passes, use play-action, and throw the deep pass a few times a game to keep the D honest, and score if we can.
do you not think that he can do that?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Garcia is 39, SNB, and still better than Russell. Garcia is in excellent shape and still has a couple of more years in him.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Get it? BORED Of Directors? MR, you make me crack meself up!
July 10th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Raider O Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
“we will run the ball, throw Short passes,”
If you believe that you’ve probably seen Jesus on a slice of toast, too.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
Raccoon, are you from Gardens? Any of the 20s? Valley Hi? Danger island? Detroit street? Think anyone from Tracy would know of any of these spots?
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Yeah, you just ripped off a copy of an old post of mine
Funny, 2 months ago you did’t know any of thoes places.
XIV,Surenos,G park mob,HNS,Zilla,S.T.C.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
Hayez, you’re just trying to impress your dork pals at this point. If you’re trying to get my attention in any way with the content of your comments, forget it. I’m not even reading them. Anyone can scroll this thread to see what I did to your sorry azz earlier.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Did you figure out who took your name? Hahahahahaha
July 10th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
beeecham Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Hey Krappy. Sorry, I just don’t have time to hang out with you today, Brian came back to the blog disguised as the Girlish Raccoon. So obviously I’ve been taking care of that problem.
Anyway, I hope you haven’t crapped the pajamas too many times today and kept your head out of the microwave. But we’ll pick it up again soon, you old goat. Have a great Friday night keeping KrappyWife unsatisfied.
Talk soon, my old pal.
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So obviously I’ve been taking care of that problem. **
Really, hows that? Who’s Brian??
July 10th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
MR,
I cant tell you that those moves were enough to help JR, but i know it cant hurt. also JR had his 1st season and he did well without help, so even if he didn’t get much help this year, he can still be better due to his exper,
also,
if you don’t think that we have WRS, or a good Oline, then what diff does it make who as at QB?? do you think Garcia can make the Oline and WRs look better??
July 10th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
I said I didn’t know of any of those places, raccoon? I’ve known them since I was a kid. My time was in the ’80s, so I’m not familiar with a lot of the new hoods you’re talking about. But I know STC is Sac Town Crip (they used to tag up my suburban hood), as far as XIV goes I know of Franklin, Centro, South Side Park, Broderick, Northgate, North Side, DPH, Diamonds,…a lot of Nortenos in the ’80s. The only Surenos up here then was 47th avenue, and they were small. A guy from Centro named Porky started them, because he tried to make them a click off of Centro and Centro wouldn’t allow him to. so he switched up and became a Sur. Now, would I know that growing up in Tracy, genius?
July 10th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
MR,
If Garcia couldn’t get a 9-3 team into the playoffs with more talent than this Oakland team has..at the time…how does it make sense to put the same QB…at 39yrs old…on a less talented team and then have said QB retire at the end of the year.
That’s not smart football
July 10th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Beecham
The Snitz Playa from S Sacramento. Whohoooo. Very impressive.
July 10th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
we the ran the ball the last 2 years, 10th and 6th in Rushing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
you can believe whatever you like but facts are facts.
the fact is we were 10th and 6th, do you still want to argue?????
July 10th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
I eat toast, i dont look at it for JC!!!!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Garcia is 39, SNB, and still better than Russell. Garcia is in excellent shape and still has a couple of more years in him.
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Starting Garcia would be the same as starting Collins, Culpepper, Brooks, or McClown. We’ve gone down the washed up Vet route before and it didn’t work. We finally drafted a QB, so why not develope him?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
MR, either I got you all wrong, or you read a lot of newspaper.
I must say I am slighty impressed. Porky huh??? Hmmm??
Those guy were at 47th and Burns near Lauran way, and 37th ave.
Did you know Lalo and Rudy?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Nice one, Brian. I mean Lady Raccoon. Anyway, I’m getting a little sick of waiting around for you at the Weinerschitzel, it’s obvious your period started and you’re embarrassed to leave the bathroom.
But come on some other time and we’ll discuss all the sports you pretend to have played in South Sacramento.
Man, what a typical psycho chick, huh Krappy?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
I know who JC is, and what he did!!! I dont need an image on toast bread to make my faith stronger!!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Except that an aging Garcia is better than an aging Collins (by far), Culpepper, and Brooks. Culpepper and Brooks liked that deep ball too much, too. Garcia’s better at running an offense.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Raccoon, ask me the fuq anything about the ’80s in Sacramento, moron. Do you think I looked all of that up in the 4 minutes that it took me to respond to you? What is this stick up your azz that has convinced you I’m from Tracy? It’s making you retarded.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
MR,
are you going to continue the debate, or is it over??
you haven’t answered me for post 240!!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
Garcia is a more-experienced pro, who has seen just about anything a Defense can throw his way.
The team would probably be in better position to play a steady and balanced, if not spectacular, kind of football under Garcia.
JaMarcus has shown that he can learn, and that he can run a balanced Offense. He has improved his Defensive reading ability, and his down-field attack MIGHT be greatly improved over just a year ago.
A Defense that gives a young Offense the space and freedom to stretch its legs will help JaMarcus be more than the (cabable) journeyman QB that Garcia has been.
Garcia’s a pretty good QB on a team that can be special. If JaMarcus grows with the rest of the guys (like Z. Miller), he can be a special QB.
Go with the potential. Roll with the kid.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
I don’t know anyone from 47th avenue, Raccoon. No Surenos. Have nothing against them, as I don’t bang and I’m not partial to either side. But I know a lot of Nortenos that went to high school with me, and knew what was going on in the ’80s. It is what it is. Sac’s a small world, and most of my friends were Mexican.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
Garcia is 39, SNB, and still better than Russell. Garcia is in excellent shape and still has a couple of more years in him.
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I don’t know if he’s got a couple of more years in him. That’s speculative. Otherwise, Tampa would have kept him for at least another year right?
If not for the Raiders…Garcia might be out of the league. In fact, had Garcia grown up in Minnesota…he would be a Viking…if he grew up in Vermont…he’d be a Patriot.
Garcia has already checked out. Why would such a “talented” QB choose Oakland as a backup and not try to get with a contender like Minnesota, Washington, Carolina or maybe lobby to get with Denver….
Garcia would be the biggest mistake Oakland could make at QB and would sacrifice another 6 or 7 years
July 10th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Hey Lady Raccoon – aren’t Lalo and Rudy those transvestite waitress who used to work at Chili’s?
Man, neither one of those whores could make a proper banana split.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
I’m getting a little sick of waiting around for you at the Weinerschitzel
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Just tell me where and when.
You have still not given me a time Billy, I am nobli, I can meet ya anywhere around town.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Well MR it was fun, and I enjoyed it. I have to go do a few things but I’ll wait for you to finish sir.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
Except that an aging Garcia is better than an aging Collins (by far), Culpepper, and Brooks. Culpepper and Brooks liked that deep ball too much, too. Garcia’s better at running an offense.
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Your right… He did look awsome running that Bucs “O” at the end of the year, and don’t forget about his plethra of superbowl rings.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
Raider O, I’ve answered every god danmed question you’ve asked. That’s it. You’re in the trash can now with your boyfriend Hayez. You’re on ignore. Keep yapping if you it makes you feel better.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
beeecham Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Hey Lady Raccoon – aren’t Lalo and Rudy those transvestite waitress who used to work at Chili’s?
Man, neither one of those whores could make a proper banana split.
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Just come on down B!tcHam, I will introduce you all. They will be more than happy you made it.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
AZ, I never said Garcia won a Super Bowl. Just said hes’ better than Russell. And since you brought up Super Bowl rings, how many players on our current roster have one? Since the answer is NONE, that pretty much deflates your argument against Garcia, doesn’t it?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Personally I’m a big fan of the Garcia Jump pass…
July 10th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
MR,
thank you, that’s very classy of you.
as I said I enjoyed the Debate, but I have to leave.
have a great weekend and God bless you SIR!
take care Gents, and later Nation.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Raccoon, how old are you? For reals. When did you grow up?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
AZ Raider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 4:58 pm
Garcia is 39, SNB, and still better than Russell. Garcia is in excellent shape and still has a couple of more years in him.
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Starting Garcia would be the same as starting Collins, Culpepper, Brooks, or McClown. We’ve gone down the washed up Vet route before and it didn’t work. We finally drafted a QB, so why not develope him?
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THe key to winning long-term is developing a quarterback…Growing pains and all
July 10th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
O — MR can’t answer too many specifics…they’re not as valuable as predictions. Full speed ahead, damn the stats!
Quit trying to manipulate the facts with facts, O.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
AZ, I never said Garcia won a Super Bowl. Just said hes’ better than Russell. And since you brought up Super Bowl rings, how many players on our current roster have one? Since the answer is NONE, that pretty much deflates your argument against Garcia, doesn’t it?
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How so? i never said we had any one on the roster with a ring…. Did that make you feel better though?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
Raider O, guess what? I see words there. Not reading them. You’re on ignore. You play stupid games, you don’t get to talk with MR the great. Sorry. don’t know what to tell you. You kept accusing me of not answering your questions when I was, and that gets you on MR’s dreadful ignore list. It’s over.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
I don’t know anyone from 47th avenue, Raccoon. No Surenos. Have nothing against them, as I don’t bang and I’m not partial to either side. But I know a lot of Nortenos that went to high school with me, and knew what was going on in the ’80s. It is what it is. Sac’s a small world, and most of my friends were Mexican.
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You were a little before my time MR. I was in the early 90’s
July 10th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
AZ, Raider O, and Hayez Dazed and Confused…
You 3 stooges will not get another response from me today. You guys are here to play games, and I’m not playing them. Keep yapping, you’ll get no response from me.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
Raccoon, how old are you? For reals. When did you grow up?
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1973, and just now starting to grow up.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Born in the early ’90s, or grew up in the early ’90s? If the latter, I’m not that much before your time. Do you know anyone in Oak Park?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
AZ, Raider O, and Hayez Dazed and Confused…
You 3 stooges will not get another response from me today. You guys are here to play games, and I’m not playing them. Keep yapping, you’ll get no response from me.
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We’ve all been waiting for you to say that, now prove it.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
You were born in ‘73??!??? We’re damned near the same age! How the fuq can I be before your time?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
SnB
I’m going with the Alameda Chamber of Commerce to a Raider Practice Aug 6th.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
AZ Raider, I’ll acknowledge your guys’ presence, and clown your dumb azzes. I’m just not discussing anything football related with your morons again. Your’ guys debate tactic is very simple. Ask me a question. When I answer it, just accuse me of not answering the question. How f’n stupid? I like to debate with smart people, not idiots who just need attention. Now run along, kid.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
MR, you said yer time was in the 80’s, what were you 13 14 years old??
July 10th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
MR,
The veteran is usually the better short term answer for every team. So teams get seduced into sticking with the old veteran. Got Jon Gruden fired!
Do u play Jim Harbaugh over Peyton Manning?
The Steelers would be behind the eight-ball had Tommie Maddox played over Ben Rothlisberger?
Jon Kitna over Carson Palmer?
Think the Ravens are happy that Joe Flacco instead of Troy Smith
Do you play Jake Plummer over Jay Cutler?
Nope….you let the young guy grow with his team.
The only time I would go with a vet over a young QB is when the rest of the team is poised for a Super Bowl run….The Raiders are not such a team
July 10th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
Here’s my impression of Raider O and AZ raider:
Az or Raider O:
“Why do you not think Russell is good?”
Me:
“Because he can’t read NFL defenses. He only has a cannon arm, and that alone isn’t enough in the NFL”
Them:
MR, you still haven’t responded to my question in comment 134 about Russell!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
A little older, raccoon. I was in high school in the ’80s. Without telling you what school, I’ll give you a hint and you should be able to guess. Oak Park and Centro were deep. If you can’t get this, I’ll wonder if YOU’RE from Tracy.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Oak Park, yep… Jug, Tiny, Heavy G, Marc the Mark, Richie Rich..
3rd, Gordon, SanFrancisco Blvd
July 10th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Remember Nu Nu? Y.B., who’s RIP? I knew his little brother.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
AZ Raider, I’ll acknowledge your guys’ presence, and clown your dumb azzes. I’m just not discussing anything football related with your morons again. Your’ guys debate tactic is very simple. Ask me a question. When I answer it, just accuse me of not answering the question. How f’n stupid? I like to debate with smart people, not idiots who just need attention. Now run along, kid.
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Smart people who write like this? Read this out loud and try not to laugh… LOL I couldn’t.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
I went to school with Big Black, too. He was locked up the last I heard. Do you know anyone from 4th avenue?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
MR, dude you went to Johnson?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
Since you’re out there toward Freeport, do you know any Franklin boys? Chino? Hit Man? Puppet (RIP)?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Wow, Lil Puppet?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Nope. No Centro at Johnson. You’re getting close. I knew a gang of people at HJ, though. Do you know Jovian?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
Pacheco?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
I don’t think his name was ‘lil’, like the American Me character, LOL. Just plain Puppet. Died in a car accident on New Years eve, ‘89 Ithink. You don’t know Chino and Hit Man? Isn’t Rainbow Park close to where you live?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
MR,
Reading NFL defenses takes time. Out of all his games…8 of his 15 starts he had a QB rating of 85 or higher.
Den = 111
Buf = 93
NYJ = 89
MIA = 88
Den = 149
NE = 86
Hou = 128
Tam = 99
Problem was the bad games were really bad. Notably:
K.C = 45
N.O = 40
BAL = 66
ATL = 19
K.C = 51
S.D = 42
I chalk all that up to be a young QB learning the game in not so ideal circumstances. I say he is on track. He just has to continue growing and gaining more consistency
July 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Funny…MR remembering names of all the hoods, playas and bangers, but not remembering enough to get that G.E.D.
No wonder that $599 tuition for “film school” has gone to waste — huh, MR?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Not Sac…??
July 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Nah, never mind. You said Tamoshanter (sp?). You’re way deeper in South Sac than I thought. My bad.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
I have a B.A. in communications, HayezDaze. Not that it’s anything to brag about, but I certainly have a high school diploma, as well.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
HayezDaze, are you bored? Why are you trying to get into our discussion? don’t you have anything else to do?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
SnB
I’m going with the Alameda Chamber of Commerce to a Raider Practice Aug 6th.
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Good stuff! Get to see one of the most secretive training camps in sports. Have you been before?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
# DirtyRaccoon Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Not Sac…??
LOL. Yes sac. Class of ‘90.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Realtor Day!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Funny…MR remembering names of all the hoods, playas and bangers,
…..
What’s a “playa”?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Not quite, Hayez. I’m not going to disclose what I do but I make a little more than a real estate agent. I make more than cashiers at the Raider Image, too. Not trying to brag or anything, just saying…
July 10th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
I’ve been to public family days before, but never a private practice. They’re promising a “surprise” too. Al Davis?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
The Raiders’ closing their practices to the public is one of the most hilarious things in all of sports.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
Not you, MR…KK and the Chamber.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
# DirtyRaccoon Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Not Sac…??
LOL. Yes sac. Class of ‘90.
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LOL, I’m Burbank class of 93..
Puppet, aka Roy Pacheco??
July 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 10th, 2009 at 5:34 pm
Not quite, Hayez. I’m not going to disclose what I do but I make a little more than a real estate agent.
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Depends on the Agent and the market. How in the hell could anyone in Sacramento make any money?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
ALL, leave MR alone, he is from my hood, kinda…
July 10th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Your alright MR.
I still love AL DAVIS!!
July 10th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
Now I’m rolling…
KK the hypocrite…he’ll take up the Raiders’ offer of generosity, visit the facility, and act like he’s Al’s biggest fan. Especially if he gets to take home a pen or a napkin, or something else for free, to show everybody that he was actually there.
Next, he’ll tell us how he told-off Al and then flipped hiom the bird as he was being carried off and evicted from the facility.
The truth is he’ll be frothing all over himself if he even gets a glimpse of Al.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:47 pm
No, our Puppet was Danny something. forget his last name. He was a cool dude.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Rainbow park, is that the one behind Fern Bacon, or on MLK?
July 10th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
HayesDaze
What happened to you, dude? I guess you’re drunk half the time.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
What was the name of Burbank’s baskteball star in ‘91, ‘92? I know this dude who’s family took him in. Adopted him, pretty much. Know who I’m talking about? I just can’t remember his name. I know you remember those games against Sac. Do you remember Raymond and Richard? Both of them were supposed to go places, but started messing up.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
Yeh, Rainbow park is on MLK. That was always one of Franklin’s hoods. Don’t know now, though. I knew this dude named Gilbert from out there. He wasn’t hard core, though. Just kind of a stoner dude.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
I wouldn’t doubt if Rainbow park was Sureno turf, now. I think most of MLK is, except for Oak Park.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
Nope, not a big B Ball guy, I do kinda remember some hoopla goin on around then.
July 10th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
I think a certain name’s on the do-not-allow list…so I repeat my post that’s awaiting mod:
Nah, KK — Just playing that part up a little, because I can. I do enjoy me beers while jousting with you, though. As far as substance-use claims, could never compete with N@rcomaB@b, and wouldn’t want to, frankly…his stuff’s not even fun.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Jason Dawson came to Burbank from Sac did you know him?
J Dog??
July 10th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
Why can’t I say n0Rco B@B?? Were is he?”
July 10th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
No, it wasn’t Jason Dawson. I have the name at the top of my head, just can’t think of it. He was big around ‘91. He was a huge star. You didn’t go to any hoops games, huh? Ever met Tony Lopez? I know he was before your time but didn’t he visit Burbank a lot? He got in a fight at the club 815 L like 10 years ago, had to get the hell out of there because obviously his fists are registered. Punk had it coming, though. Some dude was totally starting s’t with him.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
N@rcomaB@b and Br ienThePrivate are both on the S-list.
Awww…
July 10th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
All the aliases along with ‘em…
July 10th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Hey, it was Jamie Townsend. That’s the guy’s name. Know him?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Br ien and Nor co were the samer person. Anyone who didn’t know that. I think he works for the website, and wanted to keep things fired up. A little too much inside info to be a lay commenter.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
The reason why the moderator won’t even allow their names to be mentioned is to prevent impersonation. Meaning, the moderator might actually have been the one using those names, or he knows and works with the guy who did.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
You can’t say Pa vl ovi an either.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
KK
I am going to be in your area on August 6. We should get together if you’re available…
July 10th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
MR
N0rco Bob aka Victor Vicodin NEVER had any CREDIBLE “inside info” EVER!
July 10th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
Aug 6th I’ll be in Napa @ Practice.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
KK
Can I catch a ride?
July 10th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
KK
I saw your post earlier, just trying to go to practice with you.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
I’m going on a charter bus with the Alameda Chamber of Commerce.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
There should be plenty of room on the bus. I will be your realtor buddy that’s visiting from out of town
July 10th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
Br ienThePrivate had no inside info. N@rcomaB@b, A. I., nor any other of those aliases brought inside info with him. Claiming to and doing are two different things. Feeding the illusion/allusions that they did only feeds their considerably deranged multi-personalities.
July 10th, 2009 at 6:42 pm
Kell
You know I’m just playin. I live in Sonoma County and I plan on bringing my 3 year old son to family day, but I figured if I could get into a “private” practice with an old buddy…
July 10th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
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July 10th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
MR thinks we all care who he was hanging out in rainbow park with rubbing one out to some hard barn porn back in the 1980’s.
And Dirty Raccootch is playing along with him.
Look at how cute the two of them playing together so nice not disrupting anyone. This is a Kodak (Blog) moment.
July 10th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Ok, Im sick of hearing the clamouring for Jeff “If it smells like a rat” Garcia.
First off J rock is a third year guy who showed some promise at the end of last year. If my memory serves me he was also the youngest starting QB in the league last year. Any one remember what the Packers record was at the end of last year? It was the same damn record we had. Now if Aaron Rodgers took the same team that was in the NFC champ game and turned in the same number of wins we had in his first year under center, it actually makes me feel better about our standing. I dont think there was one person at the beggining of last year that would have said the Raiders have just as good a team as the Packers.
Give the kid a shot at another season AT LEAST! Hell, we have been in the celler for so long I would rather gamble on J rock being the next Stabler than praying we can resurect a career like the damn Titans.
July 10th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
Oakland Raiders Training Camp
Bus Trip to Camp
Description: Chamber Bus trip to Oakland Raiders Training Camp.
Training is not open to the general public – space is limited – reserve now! One price includes a morning with the Raiders, lunch and some surprises. $70 per person. Open to adults OVER 18 years of age.
Time:: 07:00 AM
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Your $70+ for the visit to Raiders Camp, and another $270 for membership in the Chamber Of Commerce, and you too could join KK on the tour!
http://www.alamedachamber.com/join_us.htm
July 10th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
LMN, I’ve never focused on yu not liking me. Inever thought much about you to tell the truth. I just noticed that you kept calling me names. As you just did. This really isn’t that a big deal.
How you feel about me is fine with me if you feel strongly about it so be it.
I couldn’t figure it out because truth be told I didn’t care. Now we’re clear. But I refuse to engage in your petty sophmoric barbs.
It’s your issue not mine.
July 10th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
What’s up Nation?
July 10th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
BTW,
MR,
For someone who was a communication major, you do lack basic communication skills!!! IMHO
I wish you good luck, you will need it!!
July 10th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
One more thing!!! lol
MR,
Read that entire hour or so of posts between you and me, and then think about this:
Your post # 141: ” I control the conversation here, every time I show up”
Very interesting!!! How much control did you have over our conversation??!!
Control!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
I meant what I said, I really enjoyed the debate today.
Perception can be misleading. You should see things as they are, and not how you want them to be!!
July 10th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Raider O, what’s up bro? Ignore MR man he doesn’t know football he’s just here to argue like Dude and some others.
Anyone with an objective viewpoint that’s saw this kid play last year can see all he has to do is continue to improve in all areas and he’s going to be special. IMO Russell is a better QB than Garcia right now due to arm strength and athleticism.
And guess which player is going to get better? Gruden was extremely frustrated with Garcia last year but he was the best QB he had. Sucks for Gruden! he should’ve groomed someone better.
MR saying we have n WR’s shows you all you need to know. He wouldn’t know a player even if his hero Gruden pointed one out for him. JLH and Chaz are obvious players any dumbell could see that. The young WR corp needs o continue to develope but those two kids beat starting corners on several teams to demonstrate what they are capable of doing. If that’s not evidence enough of their capabilities then stop watching football.
It’s like COW saying DMC hasn’t done squat……….OK he didn’t set the league on fire but if you can’t see his capabilites based on what he put on film last year as well as MBush. Then I’m sorry you just don’t know football. Thoe two kids abilities are very evident. But if you’re just a naysayer then no one will look good to you. But any fool watching football for the first time can see that DMC can flat out play.
Hell I could take DMC’s highlight reel as short as it is and sell it to 80% of the GM’s in the league and get a 1st rnd pick for him. All I’d have to d is prove he’s healthy.
Some of the professed football fans in here just seem clueless to me. Why do they think Al Davis would trade MBush because they hoped he’d be happy with DMC and see MBUsh as expendable. And steal him for a 2nd or 3rd next year. Other teams KNOW what we have they’re just hoping we don’t like some fans of this team.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Have a great and safe weekend Nation.
People who are MIA: 4eva, 16, thec, and 408. I hope all is well.
Dell,
I miss chatting with you, come back soon. I also hope that you had the rest and fun you were looking for.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
BHP,
I thought you were done for the night!!
I just don’t get it, what more can you ask from a 1st year QB?
13 TDs 8 INTs!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Don’t worry bro, let them continue to bash the kid they only have a few more weeks. Then they’ll shutup.
Just like the people that say this team has no talent and can’t win. We only have a few more weeks and we’ll ALL see for sure.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
Some here want to compare him to M Ryan with the Falcons, or Joe F from the Ravens.
The Ravens have a top 5 D!!!!
Falcons had better WRs, better Oline, and stability at coaching!!!
Makes no sense to compare!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Correction: falcons had a better WR and not WRs!! lol
July 10th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
Put M Ryan in the situation Russell was in everyone would be making excuses for him, wih Russell it’s just the opposite.
And if you look at the #’s Russell’s #’s aremuch worse than Ryans or Flacco’s. But it is what it is.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
I’m sorry, “are not much worse”.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
BHP,
I’m not worried. I’m so sure of JR that I bought his jersey.
I’m cheap, so that was huge for me!!! lol
July 10th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
BHP,
I know what you mean!!
What bothers me is that the kid is trying hard, and that’s not enough for them. Paid for WRs to meet him for an extra workout!! Still not enough!!!
You can tell that he is trying to please these fans, but it’s not working!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Good job, Raider O, you’ll be able to put it to good use shortly.
You know, people forget but this same thing was happening to Donovan McNabb just a few years ago. They wouldn’t even draft Warren Moon. And when he came from Canada he had to sleep on the door step of some teams to get a work out. That’s why Russell takes it all in stride because he knew it was coming.
July 10th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Also,
Isn’t he younger than Matt and Joe?!!
And was drafted after his JR year, and both of them were drafter after their SR years!!
July 10th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Raider O, because most of the media don’t want this to work, they will never in a million years admit it but it’s true.
Jerry is one of Russell’s biggest detractors. THe media has turned the fan base against this kid and you watch even when he’s successful they will find something to criticse. They always will no matter what.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
I wanted McNabb to leave the Eagles ( so the fans can know what they had), but Mr. Reid is not stupid to let him leave!
July 10th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
He was the youngest starting QB in the league last year. With the most to have to deal with. Yet he got no breaks just criticism.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Hold on!!! Hold on!!
Sorry but it just hit me, what do you mean Moon wasn’t drafted??
July 10th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
If Reid had let him leave, a year later he would get fired and he knows it. Think about it he let D-Mc play almst his entire career without a quality WR. Or a running game worth talking about. He’s lucky he didn’t get fired anyway. D-Mc saved his job with that season he had last year.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Well Raider O we shut it down again tonight.
Gotta rise early………Adios!
July 10th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
9 PBs!!! One of my Fav QBs ever!!
I knew he played in Canada, but I didn’t know he wasn’t drafted??
Why wasn’t he drafted??
9 PBs, and 3 all pro!!!
July 10th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Will continue this chat later, have a great night BHP.
Later Nation.
You too R8! lol
July 10th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Warren Moon wasn’t drafted out of Washington. 12 rounds and he didn’t get drafted he played 5 years in Canada and won 5 straight championships there.
he had to beg his way into the NFL. Where he then passed for 50,000 yards second only to Dan Marino.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Raider O, the black QB in America is a tough row to hoe. They give him NO quarter. Just watch Russell’s career how they treat him. You’ll see.
July 10th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
regarding the ellis situation i think he’ll have something left since he didn’t play so much last year. it’ll be back to basics, just rushing the passer and keeping your gaps, hopefully. i think he’ll be a quality player 4 us
July 10th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
BHP,
I read your last 2 posts. Very say, I don’t know what to say!
Wake up America, the end of this great empire will NOT come from the outside!!! It’s our ignorance that will destroy this great nation!!!
We went to the moon and beyond, but race is an issue in sports!!
I’m really done for the night, and thx BHP!! That’s exactly what I need to think about before I go to bed!! lol
July 11th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Raider O you need a hobby.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:16 am
666,
I know!!!! lol
July 11th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Well I can only post as much for another month, and then I have to study.
I take summers off so I can work more, and talk to you guys!!
July 11th, 2009 at 9:53 am
666, I think the Raiders & posting is O’s hobby as well as life long pursuit! lol
July 11th, 2009 at 10:24 am
TW,
Life long pursuit!!
So many things to see and do, and not much time.
Or money!! lol
July 11th, 2009 at 11:39 am
It’s bad enough I’m at work on a Saturday, and now there’s no one in here to gabb Raiders with. UFC 100 tonight too! I should be home drinking beer getting ready for that right now! Augh!
July 11th, 2009 at 11:59 am
AZ,
I’m here, I’m always here! lol
July 11th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
lol! are you workin too?
July 11th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Ok, I was gabbin with my father last night about the run D everyone is so worried about, but I’m thinking we should improve with the addition od Ellis. A friend of mine is a Cowgirls fan and he was pretty upset about loosing Ellis to us. I don’t follow the girls that much, but he tells me he was a force in the run game as well. And have you seen this Mitchell kid in action? I watch a few highlight reels (I know they are just highlights), but man he’s fast and a beast. Has awsome play recognition and gets to the ball violently and in a flash. I’m excited! Might take him a few to get used to the NFL, but I think he’ll be a force eventually.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
I’m always working, but I do it from home most of the time.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
I like our pass D, but I’m not sold on our Run D. I don’t think coaching alone is going to change everything. It will help, but we didn’t add a base end, DT, or even a stud LB.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
true that…
July 11th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Well, We’ve been drafting “O” in the first round the last 3 years and got skill positions QB, RB, WR… I’d assume with our 1st rounder next year we’ll go “D”.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
Lets just hope we are picking 15-25 and not 1-10 LOL.
July 11th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
I know what Board and Marshall did for Seattle, but we didn’t add anyone to the front 7 other than Ellis, and he’s a pass rusher. That doesn’t mean will not improve, but the question is:
How much can we improve due to coaching without adding players? We were 31st against the run!!
We should Trade Burgess for a base end, DT, or a SLB! IMO
Ellis, Burgess, and Scott can’t all be on the field, so Trade Burgess!
July 11th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Didnt think about that… Your right though!
July 11th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
And for all the fans that think Al is all about passing, you are wrong!
He drafted M Allen, Bo, NK, and DMC!!
Be loves the passing game, but not any passing game. He loves going vertical, but to do that you need a good run game to set up the pass.
Know your team and it’s owner.
When we went to the POs in 00 and 01, it was due to our rushing game. In 02 it was due to our passing game.
Al wants to run the ball, and then beat you with the vertical pass!!! That’s our system!!
July 11th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
“O”, thats common Raider knowlege! Who’s questions those facts MR? LOL. Kaufman, Garner, Wheatley, etc, we’ve always been a run/gun offense right? No deep ball with Gannon though LOL…
July 11th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Suck ‘em in and go deep baby!
July 11th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Gannon didn’t go vertical that much, but he was great in the WC Offense.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
AZ,
We have our QB, we have 2 RBs that can run and catch, a PB TE, and we drafted a 6′2 210 WR who ran a 4.3 in the 1st RD. If you can’t see what Al is doing,
then I can’t help you.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
AZ,
In My prev post, I was not talking about you at the end.
“You” was a bad choice of words. Sorry!
July 11th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
If THEY can’t see what AL is doing, the WE can’t help THEM.
That’s much better!! lol
July 11th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Same goes for the defense. Alphonse’s game plan is the opposite of most teams. D is built to cover and rush the passer. Its success is predicated on the offense eating the clock and giving them points to protect. The theory being, if you’re ahead, the opponent will have to abandon the run at some point and your rested D will get after them to close out.
July 11th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
BTW,
Maybe that why Al doesn’t like Gannon that much!! He can’t go vertical like Al wants! lol
July 11th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Nnamdi,
The problem with that is our Run D!!!
No one needs to abandon the run, and who would they??
If you are scoring 28 points a game by running, then why abandon the run??!
We need to do better against the run, even to run our system which exactly like you said! IMHO
July 11th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Why would they not who. Sorry.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Did I miss the game where our run D gave up 28 pts?
The season was not that ling ago for your memory to be so bad, O!
July 11th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Game 1 – Denver loss
Wasn’t that a D Hall and Gabril Wilson exploitation?
I don’t recall the run D being a factor in the loss.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Game 2 – Win vs KC
Good run D, right?
July 11th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
Game 3 – Buff loss
Marshawn Lynch held to 83 yds on 23 carries.
Trent Edwards had a field day though.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
Let me note here that Warren got hurt in this game and was thought to be out for the year.\
This from Jerry’s article that next day:
Aside from the continuing saga of coach Lane Kiffin, the most significant news had to do with injuries which could cost the Raiders two starters for their game against the San Diego Chargers Sunday at the Coliseum.
Defensive tackle Gerard Warren, who has been Oakland’s most dominant interior defender, has a torn pectoral muscle (it was originally identifed as a neck injury against the Bills). Right guard Cooper Carlisle, who left the game against the Bills and returned, has an ankle injury and may not practice this week.
While most coaches do their best to mask the seriousness of injuries, here is what Kiffin said regarding the Raiders two injured players.
Regarding Warren: “That could be a serious issue for us.”
Regarding Carlisle: “It’s bad.”
Not coincidentally, with Warren out of the game, the Raiders faded down the stretch against the Bills. That leaves Tommy Kelly and Terdell Sands as the two remaining tackles. Kiffin also counts Fred Wakefield as a third tackle, but in reality Wakefield is a tight end/offensive lineman/defensive end who only recently began playing tackle.
The guy toughed it out, and played anyway, but he’s a bum who some of you want cut. Hilarious!
July 11th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Ellis is definitely a welcome addition to a defense that was thin on depth and rushing the passer. I’ll take all the bodies I can to fortify the defense. Now we have 3 pass rushers on the end and hopefully Marshall sends Howard on some blitzes . Stopping the run is the next issue that needs to be addressed. Then we might have a defense.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Game 4 – SD loss
The run D held Tomlinson is check through 3 qtr until the O just melted down. LT had a 41 yd run at the end of the game to end up with 100 yds.
All this DESPITE Warren being 50%!
Rivers won that game.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Game 5 – NO loss
Drew Brees show against our LBs.
McAllister held to 65 yds.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Game 5 – NY win
The Jets were held to 3 pts through 3 qtrs. Hardly the run D’s fault that we …
Oh yeah, we won that game.
July 11th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Well this is pointless ..
Let me just look for the games where we gave up 28 pts.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Ahhh, 29 pts to Baltimore … let’s see …
McGahee 23 carries for 58 yds. Hmmm
Maybe getting down 19 pts at the half on a 70 yd bomb, a S, and another turnover might have something to do with it? Did I mention we were playing on the road in Baltimore?
July 11th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Next game we gave up 28 pts was the SD game.
Down 10 – 0 after the first qtr on a FG and a 12 yd drive after a turnover.
Next two TD were passes from Rivers for TDs.
Still no run D issues, LOL!
July 11th, 2009 at 5:07 pm
Even the NE debacle was the Matt Cassell show. The game was already over when Lamont Jordan got going in the second half.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Jhill,
Our D allowed:
542 rushing att. 1st among all NFL Ds.
If you can do the math, that’s close to 34 rushing att/ game.
My memory is fine, but How is yours.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
We allowed 159.7 yards rushing per game????
What are you talking about Jhill? Do you even watch the games???
July 11th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
Jhill,
Why are we 10th against the pass, and 31st against the run??
Because teams passed more!!!!
We allowed 160 yards per game rushing!!! We were 10th against the pass!!!
It’s good to have opinions, but damn!! Do some research!!!
July 11th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
I just gave you multiple examples of games where our run defense was not the culprit in deciding the games. Now if you want to add in the “sit on the ball” stats, and the 48 yds Tyler Thigpen rushed for, or the 23 yds Joe Flacco scrambled for, or the 32 yds that the fullback rumbled for in the Baltimore game, then fine.
I thought maybe interjecting some additional facts might be interesting instead of the normal we sucj against the run propoganda.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
You sound like Dude with your watch more games non sense.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Tell me SPECIFICALLY, since you watch so many games, which game our run defense lost the game for us.
I’ll give you one to get you started. I’ll say Atlanta.
Your turn.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Jhill,
You want more facts than the stats I gave you!!! lol
What more do you want??
160 yards per game, 542 Att, and we were 31st against the run!!!!
You want more facts!!
Ok!! We were 10th against the pass, due to the FACT that other teams didn’t need to throws as much!!!
July 11th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
I listed NINE games where our run defense was not an issue, IMO. Can you even debate those 9 games with facts to support your statement of …
The problem with that is our Run D!!!
No one needs to abandon the run, and who would they??
If you are scoring 28 points a game by running, then why abandon the run??!
I need to do some research? LOL! No I don’t! This is not a history lesson, or some work project. I know what I SAW WITH MY OWN EYES, not what some box score says.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Jhill,
LMAO
Do it with MR!! Trust it me, it’s a lot more fun with him than me. lol
July 11th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
Just like I thought, you can’t tell me ANYTHING about the game outside of the box score.
You should stop.
You’re my guy, O! Just stop dogg, or tell me something about ANY ONE of the 9 games that would support your run defense theory. You’re not making sense.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
I will say it one more time:
Perception can be misleading!!
July 11th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Can you speak at all to Warren playing through an injury that was intially thought to have him out throught the year? What about Jerry Mac describing him as a dominant interior defender?
I’m glad we are both laughing. I think this is hilarious that you can’t really tell me who bad our run defense was.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
LOL … WHAT?
I thought the saying was “perception was reality”?
And why are we talking about perceptions. Perceptions that the run defense is bad? Is that what is misleading?
What perception are you saying is misleading? You lost me with that one.
July 11th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Jhill,
Dude, I swear!!! I understand what you are saying, but you can’t ignore the stats.
I never claimed to watch more games than any of you. I have school during the season so I stay very busy, I don’t own a dish, and I can’t always make it to the sports bar.
You can’t ignore the stats bro.
160 yards per game!!!!
31st against the run!!
542 rudhing att against our D. The mist in the NFL last year.
How can you ignore all those stats bro??
You stop Habbibi!! lol
July 11th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
Let me ask you a simple question, O.
Doesn’t it make sense that a team wouldn’t pass the ball if they felt they didn’t need to score?
Why is it so hard to understand that once these teams got a lead on us, due to our inept offense, they felt the game was over? The rush attempts piled up against us in the second half of games once teams were comfortable (7 pts, lol) ahead.
Several games that mattered like Buffalo, SD twice, and Denver were lost because of the pass defense. That is just a plain and simple fact, Sir!
July 11th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I laugh with you cause I like, and it’s funny to me because you ignore the stats AKA Facts. What you saw in a game is your own perception.
Perception is how YOU see things, due to a lot of reasons. Past exper, etc…. It’s not based on reality!
July 11th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
Ok O, lol …
Your take is the box score is fact and what you see when watching the game with your own eyes is not reality?
July 11th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
I understand!!!!!!!!!!
Let me recap so I show that I understand.
Teams like NE and NO scored by passing 1st then they ran to finish the game. Correct???!!!
July 11th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Well, since you say you don’t really watch the games, then I guess we don’t really have much to talk about, football wise.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Jhill,
No!!!
What I see with my own eyes is REALITY, but what YOU see with your own eyes is PERCEPTION!!!
lol
I’m playing, I couldn’t help mystlf habbibi!!!
LMAO
July 11th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
I never said I don’t watch the games!!
I said I don’t watch ALL the games!!!
Selective Reading is a huge problem in this blog.
I had fun Sir, have a great weekend.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Not just NE and NO, O
Game 1 – Cutlet carved us up all game, right? They finished with 30 rushing attps.
Game 3 – Trent Edwards won that game with 300 yds passing while Lynch was held to 80 yds.
Game 4 – Rivers gpt them back in the game, and a JRuss fumble in front of the Charges end zone lost that game.
Then NO, then Baltimore, then Atl and Carolina get leads and sit on the ball. Zero pts against Atl, 6 against Carolina, 3 against Baltimore, NO TDs against Miami, etc.
Our offense was a MAJOR issue!
July 11th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
Maybe you’re experiencing the selective reading …
You really don’t watch the games translates to you don’t watch that many games, not that you don’t watch any games. Geeze.
That is exactly what you implied by saying you go to school AND don’t have the dish. We all know Raider games are not the ones shown nationally, so what part of that did I get wrong?
LMFAO!
July 11th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
I Agree about the Offense, and most of what you said about the defense.
My issue is;
The defense didn’t stop those rushers when they had the chance to give the O more
chances. They allowed 160 yards rushing per game. Offense or no Offense, that’s a lot!!
I really have to go, we can continue later if you like.
I’ll be Back in a few hours.
Later Jhill, and Nation.
July 11th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
Jhill,
I didn’t know I had to translate your posts. I’ll do that next time!!
LMAO
July 11th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
This ought to entertain you for 5 minutes or so.
These are the phone #’s to call to hear the radio play by play of some great plays in Raider history. These are the Phone #’s that will be on billboards in the Bay Area.
Four of the five calls, have the late great Bill King manning the mic. Here they are:
Blanda’s 53yd. game winning FG 1970: 1-866-508-5050
The “Holy Roller”: 1-877-482-5050
Plunkett to Branch, 99yd. TD: 1-877-964-5050
Bo’s 91yd. TD run, MNF 1987: 1-877-419-5050
“Wheatly won’t go down”. 1-877-934-5050
These are all toll free, and only takes a few minutes.
The “Holy Roller” call is one of Bill King’s best.
Would have been nice to have, the “Sea of Hands”. call on there to.
Enjoy….
July 11th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Raider Oand Jhill, both of you are right it’s just different points of view. Those are some ugly stats, but stats have to be explained to understand them or else you as GM may try to fix the prblem the wrong way.
A GM has to see what led to the stats. Similar to what DHB stats were in college the average observer would look at his stats and conclude that he isn’t very good. Buit when you look at the team he played on and what they emphasized on offense his stats make a lot more sense.
The same is true with our run stats they are blown out of proportion due to circumstances that might change those stats even though you would be plaing the same personnel and scheme. But if you have an explosive offense and you’re ahead by 10 points by the 1st qrtr and averaging 30 pints a game your run D would look a lot better stats wise.
Stats can be very misleading. Not that the Raiders were dominant against the run but I don’t believe they were nearly as bad as those stats suggest. So we’ll see.
July 11th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
A perfect example is comparing Carbtree to DHB. A smart scout would throw out the stats. The offense Carbtree played in threw the ball 50+ times a game while the offense DHB played in they threw the ball on a good day 25 times. Crabtree saw the ball 10-15 times a game, DHB maybe twice and a good day 4 times. It would be silly to expect DHB’s stats to stack up to Crabtree’s but yet scouts compared them and so have the media. Well doing that could make you passon a very good player for a less talented one. If you took a QB from Texas Tech his stats would be much better than the QB from Wisconsin but the Wisconsin QB might be a better player.
Stats don’t tell the story, you must take into account circumstances. If you really want to be knowledgable. The Raiders offense in recent years has been horrid to be nice. That directly affects what teams will do against us espeially if your pass defense is better than the run defense. You’re going to see bloated run stats………….period
July 11th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
BHP,
Stats don’t tell the entire story, but they are facts. They can’t be ignored.
The fact is stats do show that Crab is not better than DHB.
How many times did TT throw the ball compared to MD. How many catches did crab get from the slot, and not the outside compared to DHB.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
BHP,
MD throwing the ball 25 times per game is a stat!!
TT throwing the ball 50 times per game is a stat!!
IMHO, a smart scout looks at ALL the stats. That didn’t happen with DHB and crab.
BTW, I agree that our Offense was really bad, but so was the run D.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
Do you think our run D was as bad as the stats indicate?
July 11th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
In other words if we scored say 25 points per game would it affect how teams attack us.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Forget the 31st run D, and forget the 160 yards per game.
What about 542 Rushing att on our Defense? Why would a team rush for 34 times a game, if they ate throwing the ball well?? I get the same answer, they ran after they passed well!!!
So after they passed well, they ran 34 times for 160 yards!!!! Makes No Sense!!!!
July 11th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
Other Os avg 200 yards per game passing, and 160 yards rushing on our D!!
BHP,
To answer your question:
Yes it does!! You know that, and I know it too!
July 11th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
What I’m trying to say is that a coach is going to gameplan a certain according to their strength. If the team can’t score the strategy is t get up two scores and take the air out of the ball.
For instance in 2006 we were top pass defense. Everyone said that the stat was skewed by the fact that our offense was terrible so teams just didn’t pass against us distorting the pass defense stat. Well the same can be true with the run defense stat for the very same reason.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
I know our offense didnt do much, but that’s not an excuse to allow 160 Yards rushing per game!!!
July 11th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
So then if we scored that run defense stat would look better just based on the fact that teams have to throw more. The run defense wouldn’t be any better than it is now but the stats would be very different.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Raider O, we’re not talking excuses what we’resaying is stats can change based on the dynamics of a gameplan. Teams would have to gameplan us differently. Those run stats would most certainly change.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
Raider O, I don’t think our run defense is any worse than NE’s but look at the stats.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
BHP,
You got me, I can’t argue that logic.
That was my logic behind the 06 pass D. Teams didn’t have to throw and thats why it apeared that we did well. We didn’t have an offense, so teams didn’t risk TOs and just ran the ball.
I think it’s diff, but I can’t argue anymore. lol
July 11th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
BHP,
You got me!!! lol
I really enjoy talking to you, and I enjoy it more when we debate ( argue lol).
That was fun!!! lol
July 11th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
It’s no different Raider O, everything is how teams gameplan you. If Russell is improved and starts putting up #’s I gaurantee you defenses will gameplan us accordingly.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
BHP,
448, now you are pushing it!!!! lol
NE has a better Run D than we do. IMHO
Wifork and seymore ate PBs!! E have a better pass D, but there D is better coached.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
We have a better…..
You do have a point!! Maybe it’s not diff!! We will find out in a few months. I hope you are right.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
Look at NE’s yards per carry against I bet ours is better and I haven’t even looked at it. That’s the best stat when gaging your run D.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
I bet the Ravens and Steelers give up approx. 3 yards a carry while NE gives up somewhere near 4.5. look it up.
July 11th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
So, you are saying that if our offense is converting 3rd downs, and it scores points. Then the other team have to abandon the run to score faster.
It makes sense, Nnamdi said that today.
What If teams are rushing the ball so well, that our offense doesn’t get a lot if chances to score?! That’s also a possibility , correct?
July 11th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Vikings: 3 yards
Pitt: 3.3
Ravens: 3.6
NE: 4.1
OAK: 4.7
July 11th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
I was wrong NE’s 4.1 ours 4.7 terrible
July 11th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
But I would say that our defense prbably gives up 5.5 in the 4th qrtr because of # of attempts. We’re always behind.
July 11th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
You were very close, that was very good.
.6 yards is nit much when you factor your offense idea!!
It makes sense.
what do you think about post 457?
July 11th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Raider O watch any game you chose and see how we play run D early and how we play late in games 70% I bet we’re much worse late in games.
July 11th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
I was surprised to see that the Ravens and Steelers get al the hype. It appears that the Vikings are the most physical team in the NFL.
July 11th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Not much.
BHP,
Look at the Cards and Colts. Both teams have great offenses, but they can’t stop the run!! Now look at NE before they got Moss, pitt, Giants, and others!! They did a better job against the run!
July 11th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Raider O, that highpowered offense makes up for a lot of deficiencies.
July 11th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
It’s the 2 Williams in the middle!
I agree and I saw that with my own 2 eyes. They gave more at the 2nd half. Not all the time, but most of it.
July 11th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
That defense is much older now. They’ve added a lot of young talent on defense lately but it’s not up to speed yet. NE’s defense hasn’t been great for a few years even with Wilfork.
Now that the young guy’s might be coming around it could get much better this year.
But My point is that the Raiders with an efficient offense will allow the defense to play much mre aggressive. Taking chances to make plays knowing that the offense can score.
July 11th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Like I said yesterday, I like the weapons that we have on offense. I also like our pass D with Nnamdi, CJ, and the young Ss. I worry about our run D and OLine.
I’m not sure that we did enough to upgrade those 2 things.
I like the coaches, but I fear that’s not enough!
July 11th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Well I’ve gotta bail out
Oh BTW on Warren Moon in his final year he played in the Rose Bowl against a powerful Michigan team and shredded their defense. Throwing to a WR named Spider Gaines who couldn’t even make an NFL roster. I can’t remember the Mich QB’s name but it was supposed to be his game t shine and Warren flat outplayed him. He got drafted and Warren didn’t. He didn’t make and the rest is history. That was one time that it was ard for me to get over it. I watched Warren many times in Canada and just couldn’t understand how the NFL was playing guy’s like Todd Blackledge and Steve Fuller and Warren couldn’t get a sniff. Totally pissed me off.
July 11th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
I’m not going to say we’re going to significaantly improved on either line YET. I have to see in preseason I’ll know by the 3rd preseason game.
Adios!
July 11th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Thx for the info on Moon, you do know a lot about the game’s history. Like I said, I really enjoy our chats.
We will all know what have after the 3rd preseason game.
Have a great night sir, later Nation.
July 11th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
What we have…
July 11th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Hey i usually read and dont post that much but does anyone know where to find OL sacks allowed and pressures and hits?
July 12th, 2009 at 1:21 am
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July 12th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Mornin Nation.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Blanda’s 53yd. game winning FG 1970: 1-866-508-5050
The “Holy Roller”: 1-877-482-5050
Plunkett to Branch, 99yd. TD: 1-877-964-5050
Bo’s 91yd. TD run, MNF 1987: 1-877-419-5050
“Wheatly won’t go down”. 1-877-934-5050
July 12th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Good Morning Nation.
Here are some stats that we can all like:
Z Miller: 56 catches, 778 yards, 13.9 yards/catch, and 1 TD.
-He was 8th in the NFL in total catches.
-He was 1st in the NFL in yards per catch for TEs with over 50 catches.
Z Miller in the PB in 09!!
July 12th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Sup nation? Cant wait 4 training camp. free dirty.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:58 am
The PB is in 2010, but you know what I mean!! lol
July 12th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Sup o?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:00 am
You missed 408 AGAIN!! lol
It’s nice to have you back bro.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Sorry O, no PB for Miller in 09. Gates and Daniels, barring injury, will be the AFC PBers for quite a while.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Whats with the phone numbers
July 12th, 2009 at 10:01 am
All is well with you bro?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:03 am
O my ip is still banned but i can still get my phone blog on
July 12th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Dude,
Wanna bet? lol
July 12th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Free 408’s IP!!!!!
Free Dirty!!!
Free Thec!!!
Free 4eva!!!
Free N B O B
Free Dell!!
July 12th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Wheres lmn
July 12th, 2009 at 10:06 am
Oh, yeah. Forgot bout Dallas Clark too and Bo Scaife. Sorry bro, the TE position is loaded in the AFC
July 12th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Yep Miller is a stud. Not a speed guy, not an outstanding athleat, on a “project”, and he did not change posisitions when he came to the Raiders. He is just a very good TE that knows how to follow a game plan, get open, and catch the ball. Not flashy at all!! Thank you Lane Kiffin for Z. Miller, lord knows it was not big Al that picked him, right? If you listen to all the main stream media about Al’s love for only 40 times, and superior athleats, then this must have been a Fiffy pick!
I agree you got have the ability, then the fine poins can be coached in, but some guys will never wow you in shorts, or on the flat track.
Sorry for the ramble, but with DHB hammy, and Crabtree’s abilty to be just like Miller, and getting Murphy in the 4th…. Lets just say I hope we do not regret not picking Monroe, or… Crabtree.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:08 am
What happen 2 4eva
July 12th, 2009 at 10:11 am
Gates is great, but Miller is better than Owen Daniels.
The Dischargers and Houstan have other targets like A Johnson, Chambers, and V Jackson.
Miller will be our 1st target!!
Miller to the PB!!
July 12th, 2009 at 10:12 am
408RAIDER Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Whats with the phone numbers
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Call them, they are old radio calls from games past.
Four of the five calls, have the late great Bill King manning the mic. Here they are:
Blanda’s 53yd. game winning FG 1970: 1-866-508-5050
The “Holy Roller”: 1-877-482-5050
Plunkett to Branch, 99yd. TD: 1-877-964-5050
Bo’s 91yd. TD run, MNF 1987: 1-877-419-5050
“Wheatly won’t go down”. 1-877-934-5050
These are all toll free, and only takes a few minutes.
The “Holy Roller” call is one of Bill King’s best.
Would have been nice to have, the “Sea of Hands”. call on there to.
Enjoy….
July 12th, 2009 at 10:13 am
408RAIDER Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 10:08 am
What happen 2 4eva
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Yeah what happen to 4Eva?? Why did 408 get banned? Why does anyone get banned? FREEDOM of SPEACH??
July 12th, 2009 at 10:14 am
408,
LMN is here, but I haven’t seen 4eva for almost a week.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Some stuff about Greg Ellis and his game:
From Bill Parcells during his last season in Dallas, this came after Ellis was lost for the year: “The problem we have is that Greg is one of our better run defenders and better pressure players, so how to get that combination into the game may take more than one person.”
From the dallascowboys.com writers, posted a few weeks ago:
Mickey: “Ellis was a major contributor to the Cowboys run defense, whether that was as a 4-3 defensive end or a 3-4 outside linebacker.
And he played on the strong side, meaning he was getting double-teamed most of the time in the running game with the tight end normally to his side. That strong part of his game always is overlooked, and it shouldn’t be…”
Rob: “Ellis didn’t just help (Anthony) Spencer. Ask any defensive player on this team, and they’ll all probably say Ellis taught them something about X’s-and-O’s and/or professionalism.
Sure, he complained to the media at times, but to me it always seemed harmless because at the end of the day he did his job the best he could…Ellis was a class act who would be even more highly regarded had the Cowboys won a Super Bowl during his tenure.”
So, it appears that Ellis can and will play the run and maybe he’ll teach Richardson, Scott, Shaughnessy, Gunheim and Sulak a thing or two about playing the edge in this league.
Hopefully he’s healthy and has enough left in the tank to help out for a year or two, or until the youngsters take over.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:15 am
Owen Daniels had damn near 80 catches last year, bro. Come on now, Miller is a baller, but he aint goin to Bowlin anytime soon.
P.S.- Having other targets opens the field up for the TE to get open.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:17 am
The Kittin didn’t pick Miller, Al did!!
Al picks them all, Al loves his TEs.
Did you forget Ricky D from OSU???
BTW, he had a great 40!
July 12th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Daniels had 70, and Miler had 56!!!
14 more ctaches, not that great!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 10:19 am
If you’re out there Dakota,
According to a Lakers source, the team expects to come to an agreement with Odom sometime next week.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:21 am
No I will never forget DUDly, and his hard hands.
I agree, Al picked Miller, it just the media will never give him credit for it, for all of those reasons. To them Miller is not an AL pick.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:21 am
408 your banned.
It happened to me twice
Once for saying jerry is lazy and once for saying the mod is on her period.
Since then I have been starting my own PSA (public Service Announcement) warning other posters on the dangers of those two previously mentioned items.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Actually D Clark had damn near 80, Daniels had 70.
How do you pretend to know who picked Miller? Would imagine Kiffin had input after coaching against him in the Pac 10 every year.
Ricky Dudley was a bum so what are you trying to say?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Raccoon. Thanx 4 the numbers. And i got banned 4 calling jerry a lazy b1tc h . On cinco de mayo. Oh and the mod is still a hater
July 12th, 2009 at 10:22 am
Daniels started 16 games, and Miller 15!!
Daniels had 14 more ctaches, and his team had a good offense.
Miller had 56, but the Raiders were last in passing!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 10:23 am
Just dropping in….good discussions.
Raider O,
You have to admit that the Zach Miller pick seemed to go AGAINST the grain of the typical Al Davis pick. Miller is does not have extraordinary speed, he’s not necessarily bigger than the typical TE and his pedigree was good…but not great. Miller is a guy who is a football player…who seems to pick up the nuances of the game and really understands his position.
Al Davis signs off on all picks…but this one certainly had a lot of influence from somebody.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Dude,
Wanna bet?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:24 am
14 more is 14 more. Gates, Daniels, Clark and Scaife. 2 of those 4 WILL be in the PB. The position is too crowded for a guy on a losing team, with a junk offense and sznt get in the zone to make the PB. Keep dreaming.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:26 am
What do you want to bet? No chance Miller makes the PB. I will bet you anything you want.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Come on boy, whos spot is he gonna take? Only two TEs go, whos he gonna bounce??
July 12th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Dude, I don’t know what I am tryin to say. It is 10:30am here in Sac and last night was a bottle of Two Fingers Tequila, and a twelve pack of Naty Ice.
I am way foggy, not so froggy.
Point is, Crabtree is just like Miller.
DHB is alot like DUDly, an d any of the other speedsters we have drafted.
I just got this cold gut fillin… never mind I can’t say it.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:29 am
SnB,
lol
I wanted DT A Branch in the 2nd that year, but I was very happy with Miller.
Miller had production in college, and Al loves that.
Miller broke all Todd H records for a TE!!
He is not the norm for Al, but Al had done things like that in the past.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:31 am
I’ll bet you a Raiders Cap. I’m a student, and I’m Cheap. lol
I say Gates and Miller!
July 12th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Coon,
That ? was directed towards Raider O.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Raider O Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 10:29 am
SnB,
lol
I wanted DT A Branch in the 2nd that year, but I was very happy with Miller.
Miller had production in college, and Al loves that.
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Al loves production in college? D-HB….Mike Mitchell…Production??? Al loves athleticism.
Not hating on Davis…just pointing out my opinion
July 12th, 2009 at 10:32 am
666 so how did you unban ur self. Could you email me instructions please. That would rock oh and if ya got any new tunes send em 2. Thanx
July 12th, 2009 at 10:33 am
So Miller is gonna make it over Dallas Clark?? LOL!!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Raccoon,
Since I’m in a betting mode, I’ll bet you that DHB will be better than Crab.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Dude,
Zach Miller could make the pro-bowl. Sure, Gates will get a lot of catches in that pass-1st offense…but Zach Miller could improve his number this year…and its not out of the question that he beats an Owen Daniels.
Look at it this way…Zach Miller caught 50+ catches in an offense where he was pretty much the only target and was doubled quite a bit.
If the Raiders get better receiver play…and Tom Cable lets McFadden actually touch the ball….Miller could be a big winner as defenses (especially LBs and Safeties) have to account for other players.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:36 am
More Raider bias from homer fans. Miller is a good player on a bad team. Thats it thats all. #21 and #9 for PB in ‘10. Thats it.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:36 am
Dude, O yeah I see that now. Oops..
Man if yall like Tequila ya gotta try Two Fingers.
My dad drank this stuff when I was a kid, I drank it then, and it almost killed me, so I drank some more…
July 12th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Raider O,
Just read your back & forth with JHill about the run defense.
The run defense is just plain bad and you were right to keep the focus on the stats 159 per gm…4.7 per carry.
Unacceptable
July 12th, 2009 at 10:38 am
SnB,
Hold on bro!!
I said Al loves production, but I didn’t say he loves it more than speed!!
Olsen was drafted in the 1st, and Miller was the best TE available. He doesn’t have the speed, but he had production.
Now if Olsen was available, would Al draft Miller? lol
July 12th, 2009 at 10:38 am
He “could” but he wont. He would have to bounce either Gates or Clark and that aint happenin
July 12th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Olsen was by FAR the best TE available going into that draft. WTF are you even talking about?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Dude,
I said:
Olsen was drafted in the 1st, so Miller was the best TE available in the top of the 2nd round!
Is that simple enough for you?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Dude Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Olsen was by FAR the best TE available going into that draft. WTF are you even talking about?
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NOPE! You are wrong here. Olsen was by far the most ATHLETIC TE available in the draft…..but Miller is the most complete. Block and catch….especially tough ones over the middle.
Olsen would have been the more “Raider like” pick
July 12th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Raider O Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Raccoon,
Since I’m in a betting mode, I’ll bet you that DHB will be better than Crab.
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What do you mean by better? Stats, or value to the team? DHB may work out to “open” the field, but Murphy (4th rnd, Higgy 3 rnd, Rambo, VanDyke, Morant, Holland, Francis, Douglas, Porter, and as far back as R Ismail,)!
Craby may not see the field, neither DHB.
So what is the critera? Starts?? TD’s, yards, catches,??
July 12th, 2009 at 10:45 am
SnB,
I agree with post 526!
July 12th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Raider O Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 10:38 am
SnB,
Hold on bro!!
I said Al loves production, but I didn’t say he loves it more than speed!!
Olsen was drafted in the 1st, and Miller was the best TE available. He doesn’t have the speed, but he had production.
Now if Olsen was available, would Al draft Miller? lol
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Touche
July 12th, 2009 at 10:49 am
We had a chance to draft Miller with our 2nd rnd pick, we did NOT! We tradded DOWN (did Al do that?) got an extra pick, and Miller a few pick later.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:49 am
Raccoon,
Marvin H ans R Wayne had more ctaches than Andre Johnson, but I think he is better than both.
Better as a complete WR. Catches in the mid, outside, and making plays to win the game.
Does that make sense?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:51 am
From 33 in the second to 38.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:52 am
Olsen was the highest rated TE going into that draft.
Raider 0,
Read it wrong. Your Raider homerism is writing checks you body cant cash.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:53 am
#531 by Raider O,
What possible rationale do you have for making such a statement?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:54 am
SnB,
I think he would have picked Olsen. 6′6 250 and ran 4.5!!!
Al was hoping to draft him with the 33rd pick, so Miller was the 2nd option.
We needed a TE, remember C Anderson!!
July 12th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Raider O,
I find it interesting how everyone thinks if the offense averages 30 points a game then the defense will improve…
Hell, at 30 points a game you don’t need a defense….LOL
How did that all powerful Broncos offense help its defense out?
July 12th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Dude,
You know I’m a KookAide drinker Raider Homer!! I can’t help it! lol
July 12th, 2009 at 10:57 am
Raider O Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 10:54 am
SnB,
I think he would have picked Olsen. 6′6 250 and ran 4.5!!!
Al was hoping to draft him with the 33rd pick, so Miller was the 2nd option.
We needed a TE, remember C Anderson!!
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Yeah, I think Olsen would have been the pick….Not even close
July 12th, 2009 at 11:01 am
O yes it does, and I agree. It does not always break so clean or clear, a lot of opinion goes into it.
I do not want to bet, I can not EVER bet against my RAIDERS no matter the situation. I hope you are correct, and DHB has a better year, and careerrr..
BUT, if Craby goes off and DHB goes flat….
Or if Henderson can not hold the left side down, and Monroe has a Ryan Clady like year….man ya see what I am sayin?? DHB may be good, or very good, but he was not the correct way to play your draft cards!!! If you want him, trade DOWN and get him, and some line help with the other pick. If that would have happend how would we wll fell right now??
Say Oher, and DHB, or Mack and DHB, or DHB Brace and Britton??
July 12th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Dude Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 10:53 am
#531 by Raider O,
What possible rationale do you have for making such a statement?
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531 is I. What is the question?
July 12th, 2009 at 11:03 am
SnB,
30 points a game!!!
The Colts score 30 points a game, too bad their D gives up points like Xmas gifts!
You need some kind of D to win!! The colts could have won more POs games and more SBs if they had any kind of D. They can’t stop the run, or the pass. All their cap is invested in the Offense and 1 Safety!!
July 12th, 2009 at 11:07 am
Raider O,
Also, the defense doesn’t do itself any favors getting off the field.
Raiders 3rd down percentage:44%….leader Steeler (31%)
July 12th, 2009 at 11:10 am
Raccoon,
I wanted Monroe! I hope Mario, Pears, and Barnes are the answer!
As for Crab, I didn’t want him, I dont like him, and I think he’s overrated.
Gates was a walk on for the chargers. He wasn’t drafted, he played college Bball.
DHB is a good kid, he is 6′2 210, and he ran a 4.3.
I would draft him over Crab.
For WRs, I wanted Maclin then DHB.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Raider O,
I think a dominant defense is as important…more important…than a dominant offense.
Our championshipless Chargers learned that lesson didn’t they. All those points they put up with Dan Fouts etc…and guess what…no rings.
Dan Marino and his Dolphins…no defense
The Detroit Lions with Barry Sanders…no defense
The Broncos….Shanahan just got fired….
Even the Colts…for as good as Manning is…a Hall of Fame QB, Hall of Fame WR(s), Pro-Bowl O-Line, Pro-Bowl TE…Great O.C….1 Super Bowl appearance…and that was after a Herculian comeback in the AFC Championship game.
I’ll take the Steelers…great defense…decent offense…2 rings and counting…
Ravens…great defense..bad offense…got a ring and have been able to play at a high level with no offense
Raiders should expect more from its defense
July 12th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Also,
This nonsense about teams sitting on the ball. Come on. If you average a 1st down every two carries….why throw the ball!
July 12th, 2009 at 11:18 am
O,
I did not want a wide receiver drafted in the 1st round. I think that’s terrible value. But if a receiver was to be taken…I don’t have a problem with D-HB over Crabtree and Maclin.
I know the draft is over…but if the Raiders had gone ahead and grabbed Raji or Monroe…the Raiders would have FIXED one of the lines. FIXED IT
You take Monroe…now you have a Left Tackle for 10 yrs AND a spirited competition for Right Tackle…Monroe, Gallery on the left side would have been nice.
You take Raji…now the D-Line is FIXED. Kelly and Raji up the middle…who could complain about that…plus the versitility goes up ten-fold…now you have a 4 man rotation of Kelly, Warren, Raji, and whoever wins from the rest…..Team won’t be 31st the next year.
But we took a receiver. THat’s okay I guess. I just hope the kid can beat out Louis Murphy. That kid looks like the steal of the draft!
July 12th, 2009 at 11:24 am
SnB,
I agree, when we won our rings we were balanced!
We had a great offense, and a great nasty D.
Atkinson, Tatum, Matt M, Long, R Martin who reminds me of TH, and others..
We could have one 1 more, if it wasn’t for the Gruden thing, BC not runnung the ball or adjusting, and our D.
Our D didn’t play a well that game( as I remember).
July 12th, 2009 at 11:24 am
“Broncos…Shanahan..just got fired.”
Ummm… How many SBs does Shanahan have??
July 12th, 2009 at 11:27 am
SnB,
You been watching practices?
July 12th, 2009 at 11:28 am
I agree! Murphy looks good so far. He was rated as a top 10 WR this draft.
I wanted MM, so that alone made my draft.
MM will be a stud IMHO.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:29 am
Zach Miller is the closest thing we’ve had to Dave Casper, Al Davis spent a few years looking for the next great Raider TE…
1st round 1996: Rickey Dudley was the original “college basketball player, great athlete, turned TE”…he was supposed to become the revolutionary TE that Tony Gonzalez turned into, didn’t happen.
2nd round pick 2002: Doug Jolley, Al Davis went away from the athlete type, Jolley was a true TE, very similar to Zach Miller, but didn’t quite work out, at least we got a great deal from the NYJ for him.
2nd round pick 2003: Teyo Johnson, this was Al’s second shot at a former b-ball player and great athlete, an awful bust.
Thank God we’re set with Zach Miller.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Dude Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 11:24 am
“Broncos…Shanahan..just got fired.”
Ummm… How many SBs does Shanahan have??
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The SBs are not the point. The point I was making was that having this high flying offense did not help his defense at all. So much so that he got fired, despite his past performance.
There are people who believe that the Raider defense would be good if the offense would simply score some more…Sure there is some truth to that….and if the Raiders defense was in the lower 20’s or high teens I could buy that argument.
But 27th overall and 31st against the run is just bad
July 12th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Raider O,
” I wanted MM”
” MM will be a stud IMHO”
LOL, I assume your talking about Mitchell. Question that comes to mind for me is this… The cat wasnt on anybodys radar, not ESPN, not NFL Net, not even the NFL combines, yet somehow you “wanted” the guy?? Where are you finding his game tapes, I would love to check em out?
July 12th, 2009 at 11:32 am
SnB,
The problem is most teams get help from their Defense or offense.
Our D can’t help our offense by getting them the ball more, and giving them more chances to score.
Our offense only scorer 16 points a game last season, and that not enough to help a bad D.
We need one of them to step up, and be an anchor for this team. IMO
July 12th, 2009 at 11:33 am
SnB,
Ok, gotcha. Makes sense now.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:35 am
Dude,
If you don’t remember, then others do.
I wanted MM before we drafted him, vegas, Dell, and others can tell you the same thing.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Raider O Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 11:28 am
I agree! Murphy looks good so far. He was rated as a top 10 WR this draft.
I wanted MM, so that alone made my draft.
MM will be a stud IMHO
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Murphy is also a leader. He might bring some intangibles to the party…like making the big play when its all on the line…etc…developing a relationship with the QB…guy was taken in the 4TH ROUND. Again, D-HB is a great talent…but I bet he has a tough time getting past Murphy unless some directives are issued.
Mike Mitchell…well I gotta wait till camp before I say anything about this kid.
As Dakota said…I need more than grainy “Kimbo Slice” like YouTube clips to declare him the 2nd coming of Jack Tatum.
Kid comes from a small D-1 school, didn’t make his All-Conference team (1st or 2nd), didn’t get invited to the combine and just about every independent evaluator had the guy as a 2nd day pick at best.
And spare me the “Oh Chicago was looking at him” nonsense. Even if they were…so what…gotta draft for value man.
Anyway…I am rooting for the kid because he has an outstanding attitude and he is physical…or looks that way on the grainy YouTube video.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:37 am
O,
Good for you. Ummm…Why?
July 12th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Racoon….
See post #435. I did the homework, and your trying to take the credit.
FREE 408 & FREE DIRTY!
July 12th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Dude,
Do you have a bad memory???
You have been asking me the same question since before the draft.
How many times do I have to answer you??
It was fun the 1st few times, but now it’s getting Old.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:44 am
Raider O Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 11:32 am
SnB,
The problem is most teams get help from their Defense or offense.
Our D can’t help our offense by getting them the ball more, and giving them more chances to score.
Our offense only scorer 16 points a game last season, and that not enough to help a bad D.
We need one of them to step up, and be an anchor for this team. IMO
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Here’s my point.
The defense was the unit with all the veterans.
The Defense was the unit with the 6th yr D.C and coaching staff
The Defense was the unit with the high-priced players
The Offense was way behind. Had no receivers, had stop-gaps at the tackles and a young QB. Not to mention coaching turnover.
YET ITS THE OFFENSE THAT WAS SUPPOSED TO CARRY THAT VETERAN DEFENSE!!!!
The Steelers, Ravens, Giants, Titans, Panthers, Vikings and even Eagles at times were able to lean on their defenses quite a lot. Even the Redskins, 49ers and Bears were able to ride their defenses to within a game or two of the playoffs.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Must be losing my memory, cuz I dont recall. How about a quick scouting report on the kid, since your so well versed on his skills.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:45 am
Meanwhile, this defense couldn’t make a stop when it mattered.
Lost the Bills game, lost the Chargers game and lost the Dolphins game.
The game is 4 quarters long. Who cares what happens in the 1st half.
Ask the 1992 Houston Oilers.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:47 am
SnB,
Just remener:
Tom Brady was a 6th RD pick.
Gates was undrafted.
D Driver was a 7th RD pick.
M Cholston was a 7th RD pick.
Bob Sanders was a 3rd RD pick.
M Bush was a 4th RD pick.
Chris Horton was a 7th RD pick.
Etc…..
Et……
July 12th, 2009 at 11:50 am
As for the draft this year….what I didn’t like about any of the picks…except Murphy..is that it seems the Raiders are trying to outsmart everybody. With a team with holes at SLB, DT, DE, WR, LB, S, T….they had no business reaching
July 12th, 2009 at 11:52 am
O,
Would you like a list of late picks that are no longer in the league or never played a down?
July 12th, 2009 at 11:54 am
SnB,
That’s how I used to look at it, but who do we have in D other than Nnamdi?
Robo was the worst DC in the country!
We also drafted a QB , TE, and a RB high the last 2 years, they needed an OT or a WR to help them!
I wanted an OT but we got a WR!
As for the D, what vets that you want to build around?? Nnamdi!! all the rest are young talent
July 12th, 2009 at 11:54 am
SnB,
#565 best post you have ever typed.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Wassup Folks ..
And a dosi-doe SnB … LOL!
Our offense was the worst thing going last year, and impacted the defense in ways you are just not acknowledging/ Couple that with the Warren injury week 3, Ricky Brown’s injury, TK not being 100%, Burgess out, plus the horrific play of 2 players no longer on the team, Edwards and Wilson, and yeah you have a bad defense.
But what about this year? To ignore a healthy Gerrard Warren, and Tommy Kelly baffles me. Did you see them dominate games 1-3? Even with TK not being 100%? What makes you think they won’t be at that same level or better?
You ignore Sands being in shape as oppossed to slobbin’ it up.
Kalimba “Matador” Edwards is gone.
Trevor Scott is a year older and stronger.
Greg Ellis is on board as well as Burgess in in a contract year.
Ricky Brown is healthy and Alston is 20lbs heavier with his same speed.
Huff is back in at SS instead of Wilson who couldn’t cover anyone. I bet most of you don’t even reallize how good Huff was at that position the year before last, based on what you saw from Wilson. Huff didn’t give you knock out hits, but he shut down every man he was guarding. That’s why he’s back in that spot.
Now let the offense come around on top of these defensive improvements, and the stats will reflect a top 10-15 defense.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Raider O Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 11:47 am
SnB,
Just remener:
Tom Brady was a 6th RD pick.
Gates was undrafted.
D Driver was a 7th RD pick.
M Cholston was a 7th RD pick.
Bob Sanders was a 3rd RD pick.
M Bush was a 4th RD pick.
Chris Horton was a 7th RD pick.
Etc…..
Et……
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Raider O,
Are you telling me that the Patriots knew that Brady would develop into that sort of talent?
If they did, don’t you think they would have drafted him in the 1st round.
Same with Donald Driver and Marques Colston. If those teams thought that much of them, they would have picked them a lot earlier. And so would have someone else.
Michael Bush’s injury to his leg increased his risk of busting out. That’s why he was a 4th round pick. Had he not been injured…he’s gone in the 1st round.
Gates was a basketball player from a lowly D-1 school. Only Al Davis would consider drafting someone of that profile higher. Gates had a HIGH bust factor too.
Look, statistical probability suggests that some late round players / UFAs will develop into superstars….but much more fade out. Much more end up like Carlos Francis and less like Donald Driver.
Give me an example of a 1st or 2nd round pick that was projected two or three or four later that panned out. That would be a fairer comparison.
July 12th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Dude,
Since you really don’t remember, then I will answer you.
YouTube videos, and a few friends who lived in that area told me about him and wanted him for their teams.
YouTube was 1st, friends 2nd!
I told you that 5 times already, do you remember now?? lol
July 12th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Lost the Bills game, lost the Chargers game and lost the Dolphins game.
The game is 4 quarters long. Who cares what happens in the 1st half.
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I know you like to throw out 31st against the run and so on, and so on.
Trent Edwards won that Buffalo game in the 4th qtr. The run D had nothing to do with that loss. AND they only came back after Warren got hurt.
The very next week, with Warren gutting it out instead of going on the IR, Rivers brought that team back, with an assist from a JRuss fumble. Of course since our offense hadn’t sniffed the endzone all day, all it took was 2 quick plays for us to be out of the game.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
With a team with holes at SLB, DT, DE, WR, LB, S, T
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This is the part that some of you have yet to acknowledge as a mistake. Your team needs are not accurate.
Ricky Brown and Jon Alston took SLB off the board
Warren and Kelly being 100% took DT off the board.
Henderson developing into that LT as well as Barnes and Pears coming on board took T off the board.
WR and S were clearly needs. With Schillens ready to break out, you don’t take Crabtree. How many times was the Maclin/JLH comparisons thrown out there? DHB simply HAD to be the pick for what this offense needed, and we ALL knew it. The vertical threat that DHB provides should pay off big time. Teams will simply NEVER be able to play 8 man fronts. I do have to admit that the Mitchell pick was a reach because of the player, not the position. I don’t think anyone is doubting that S was probably the #2 need on defense.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
JHill,
My good friend. About to log off but you showed up. Might as well go a round or two.
I never said that the offense was spectacular last yr. I could just as quickly do a deep dive with the causes there as well.
My point is that the defense was expected to carry the team this year. Other than the Jets, Texans, Panthers, Broncos and 1st Chiefs gm….the defense didn’t get the job done. They didn’t step up and win games.
Now, why am I harder on the defense than the offense?
It was a veteran group last year. They were expected to carry the team like defenses do on other teams around the league. They fell woefully short. Plus Al Davis had his hand picked Def. Coordinator…his free agents and his scheme. It didn’t work out.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
I’ll be back in an hour or so.
Later guys!!
July 12th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Gerard Warren and Ricky Brown injuries…
As for Warren, the criticism on him was that he was a hot and cold player…He is also playing out of position as an everydown NT. He also played every game last year.
Terdell Sands was the backup (paid as a starter) who failed to come in and fill in the roll. Admittedly, the depth wasn’t there because the Owner thought the roster was set.
As for Ricky Brown…he is a backup player. He has not demonstrated that he is the difference maker. Plus Jon Alston performed at a similiar level to Brown. I don’t think Ricky Brown makes the defense that much better.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Specifically, you are hard on the run defense, and there is where we disagree.
The biggest thing though, to me that is, was Rob Ryan not coming up big when the game needed to be won. It just seemed like we never had the right play called at the right time.
And all of that was last year anyway, THIS year is NOT last year, my man!
July 12th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Posted this yesterday SnB …
Let me note here that Warren got hurt in this game and was thought to be out for the year.\
This from Jerry’s article that next day:
Aside from the continuing saga of coach Lane Kiffin, the most significant news had to do with injuries which could cost the Raiders two starters for their game against the San Diego Chargers Sunday at the Coliseum.
Defensive tackle Gerard Warren, who has been Oakland’s most dominant interior defender, has a torn pectoral muscle (it was originally identifed as a neck injury against the Bills). Right guard Cooper Carlisle, who left the game against the Bills and returned, has an ankle injury and may not practice this week.
While most coaches do their best to mask the seriousness of injuries, here is what Kiffin said regarding the Raiders two injured players.
Regarding Warren: “That could be a serious issue for us.”
Regarding Carlisle: “It’s bad.”
Not coincidentally, with Warren out of the game, the Raiders faded down the stretch against the Bills. That leaves Tommy Kelly and Terdell Sands as the two remaining tackles. Kiffin also counts Fred Wakefield as a third tackle, but in reality Wakefield is a tight end/offensive lineman/defensive end who only recently began playing tackle.
The guy toughed it out, and played anyway, but he’s a bum who some of you want cut. Hilarious!
July 12th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Hot and cold for Warren? You mean hurt, and not hurt.
Ricky Brown is a starter and is our most physical RB.
I’ll check back in with you guys later. Gotta bust out some work around the house.
July 12th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Now, did the run defense specifically lose any ball game. No, its a team game….but let’s look a little deeper:
San Diego (1st gm) – 3rd QTR Chargers had 3 drives…one was 7.3 min 13 plays and another 8 play 66 yard drive 4.4 minuts….the offense only got 2 opportunities (both 3 and outs).
Buffalo – 3rd QTR Buffalo had 16 play 96yrd drive 8:55…in the 4th..both teams had two possessions…Buffalo ate up 4.5 minutes on 14 plays…the Raiders scored quickly and then went three and out
Baltimore – 2nd QTR 9 plays 97yd drive 4 minutes…followed by another 11 drive 60 yd 5min drive…another 7 min drive 11 plays 62yds…yes, the offense struggled…but those long drives all occurred in the 2nd and 3rd QTR….the offense was fighting in the 3rd QTR having scored 10pts on two drives.
Miami – Who can forget the 10 play 61 yard drive to lose the game and another 9 play 64 yd drive in the 3rd QTR…Plus the Raiders had their own 10 play 5minute drive in the 4th QTR
My point is this…the defense doesn’t do itself any favors letting itself get pummeled on long double digit play drives.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
Jhill’s comment (#573) has me feeling good and I hope he’s right.
My concern is our depth. I’m already counting on some young guys to carry the load (McFadden, Schilens, Branch, Brown) but they all have a history of injuries.
Injuries are a part of the game but these guys have to prove they can withstand the rigors of the NFL.
The Raiders are a young team. I hope they’re not a fragile team.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
I agree to a degree, but …
San Diego game – instead of the 3 and outs, our offense needs to be able to put together at least two 3 plus minute drives instead of these 3 and outs, especially with the running game we have. We don’t even need to score on all of those possesions but getting 2 or 3 first downs on some of those possesions gives us an extra 7 or 8 minutes in the TOP battle.
Buffalo – Another 3 and out scenario, plus Warren went out of the game hurt to be replaced by Fred Wakefield. Ughh!
Baltimore – AM East Coast road game? With a doughnut in the 1st half? We shouldn’t even be talking about this game. It was over before we stepped on the plane.
Miami – When have you ever seen Rob Ryan come out on top in a 4th qtr, end of game situation? They gained 40 yds to the first two plays of the drive, for goodness sakes. It’s not like it was some methodical drive. They called 2 plays they knew would work, both shotguns, and one out of the no huddle for 27 yds. Did I mention that same formation working on 4th and 5 that could’ve sealed the game?
I don’t know that pummeled is the word. I just keep thinking their offensive coach was better than our defensive coach in most cases.
July 12th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
Rob Ryan was The Worst DC in the NFL, and so what if he was hired!!
Matt M was hired as a GM!!! Some owners do crazy things.. Keeping RR for 6 years was one of those things!!
July 12th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
If you thought the Browns had problems with defense, now they are worse due to Robo the only Ryan that doesn’t know how to coach a Defense!!
lol
July 12th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
SnB,
Post 570:
If a team tjnks they can draft a good talent in later rounds, then why not draft other players in earlier RDs, and still get your guy in later RDs.
As we did with Scott and Chaz.
Some players don’t get noticed due to small schools, bad programs, not on National TV, injuries, etc….
Drafting is a gamble, so you hope you did homework right, and you know how to play the odds!!
July 12th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Drafting high is overrated,the good teams seem to find players in the lesser rounds and teams drafting near the top almost always spend big money on a player that turns out to be average at best. That is why I would rather trade down and get more picks than gamble on a high risk 1st rounder. Best example Manninng or Leaf. For every Peyton there will be 2-3 Ryan Leafs
July 12th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
Being a DC for the Raiders isn’t the easiest job in the NFL. Just ask John Fox who turned out to be a good head coach after being DC for the Raiders. I think the Quote from Fox to Davis was …. “You coach the Defense .. I quit”
July 12th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Someone for all of you to hate on, and this jackhole has got it comin!!!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/216187-under-fire-oakland-raiders
July 12th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Yeah, lets bash the guy for speakn the truth. Good idea!!
July 12th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
He Called JR a Chump!!
July 12th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
Damn the internet!! Anyone can right anything, and most people will read it.
That sad part is: a lot of people will believe it!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Apparently Dude doesn’t mind being called an idiot that needs to root for a different team and leave America!
A little lower standards than mine, but to each his/her own.
Raiders Rule!! Bleacher Report BLOWS!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Miller to the PB!!!
Nnamdi to the PB!!
Lechler to the PB!!
Gallery to the PB!!
The Raiders will win 8/9 games this season!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Davis deserves deep criticism for the last 6yrs. The last 6yrs have been totally unacceptable for a franchise of the Raiders pedigree. ANyone who glosses over that does not truly respect the Raiders past…IMO
What does Davis deserve blame for? The coaching carousel/picks over the last 15yrs. He shouldn’t have fired Art Shell the 1st time around…(which he admitted), and he gave up on Gruden too quickly…and he hired a bunch of tomato cans for the remainder of his hires. That’s on him. You can blame a Lane Kiffin for whatever he allegedly did…but it was Davis that reached across the milky way galaxy to bring him in.
Fortunately, Davis retained Tom Cable. If for no other reason than to get some doggon continuity in this $^@##%!
I like Al Davis. Primarily because he TRIES to win. A lot of owners/GMs pay lip service to that but in truth don’t try very hard.
The only thing I would like Al to do is try a little more intelligently and let Tom Cable and his staff do their jobs without too much “input” ESPECIALLY ON DEFENSE!!!!
How Rob Ryan lasted 6yrs is what has me concerned about Davis’ “input” going into 2009
July 12th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
Bleacher report DOES blow. Its the worst site on the internet. That being said the article referenced had alot of truth in it. Truth hurts sometimes, dznt make it any less true.
July 12th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
Leave America!!!
LMAO
Send him to Lybia!!!!!
lol
July 12th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
Davis gets ZERO credit with me for “trying to win”. All owners try. He is the worst owner in the league cuz he puts his ego before the team.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:04 pm
597,not ALL owners TRY as hard as the HALL OF FAME owner ,AL DAVIS!Lets be clear,the last six(for dude)years have been brutal,I believe Coach Cable WILL get the job done,We all Will see,soon enough! RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Saint,
Bleacherisms and Dudisms once again offer the truism that small-mindedness is rampant in sportive thinking as well as most phases of life. I can’t say that this particular hatism is necessarily because JRuss is a black man, but the negative comments smell of it.
I, for one, am tired of the Rusty Hilgers, Kerry Collins, Jeff Garcias and Vince Evans of the world being the Raider QB. Time to allow a young man, JR, to take the reins and grow into the job.
The naysayers here and on BSPN can take their doses of poison and suck it down elsewhere. Wish as they may with their negativism, the young man will do fine. That is just how it is.
Hating is the easy way for narrow and small minds to portray. Shrug…that is always how the human race has been, and always shall be.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
You’re right about Al Davis in that his major mistake has been how he’s handled the coaching situation. I really don’t have a problem with his drafts.
I don’t think he puts his ego ahead of the team. Don’t know how far you want to go back, but Chucky was a great hire. Al offered him a contract, but they couldn’t come to terms.
Callahan? SB one year, and what happened the following year? The team got old, but he clearly lost the team and had to be fired.
Norv was a bad idea simply b/c he had never won as a HC.
Waiting so long to hire Shell and allowing the assistant pool to dry up was a huge mistake that landed us with Walsh, Slater, and the rest of that clown offensive staff.
Didn’t have a problem with Kid Kiffin. It all went bad when he didn’t let him bring in his pops.
Yeah, the coaching situation has been tragic, and the real reason behind our dismal showings.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:17 pm
I dont hate Russell, I dont think he will pan out, but I dont hate the guy. Most in the media dont believe in him either, and I dont see any reason they would hate him as well. I am pretty sure they are going on reputation. Reputation of the Raiders and their inability to farm young talent that is. Why are you jokers surprised by the criticism? Its not like they dont deserve it.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
Dude,
I just think that calling a QB a bust after 2 years is too early. Especially on a flawed team. I don’t care who the guy is.
I believe all young high draft pick QBs need four seasons before you start throwing around bust labels. Especially for a flawed team.
Equally, I think the jury is still out on Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco. Next year could be a serious regression….especially Flacco. You never know.
To me, calling Russell a bust and calls for Garcia after just two years in the league and one as a starter doesn’t respect the challenges of playing QB in the NFL.
Also, its not like Russell played poorly in all 15 starts last year. QB ratings for his first 16 starts:
San Diego 91
2008
Den 111
Buf 93
S.D 81
NYJ 89
MIA 88
DEN 149
N.E 86
HOU 128
T.B 99
So 10 of his first 16 starts had ratings of 81 or higher
6 of his games were 90 or higher
And this is somehow a bust QB????
July 12th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
The Raiders also lost 3-4 gms that they really should have won.
Buffalo, S.D, Miami, K.C — All winnable games except the coaches and their incompetence lost.
Now…if the Raiders go 7-9 to 8-8 last year…is anyone saying bust?
Because of a couple of Rob Ryan classics and a Tom Cable (*@(!-up…the Raiders should get rid of the young QB for a washed up veteran who is 39yrs old?
July 12th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
and wasting time with Ryan Bosch….errr Kwame Harris all last year?
Ronald Curry, Ashlie Lelie, injured JAvon Walker…..
Seriously?
July 12th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUDDDDDDDDEEEE
July 12th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
You never saw me calling him a bust. I think he will be one, but its too early to put that label on him now. Those stats are a smoke and mirrors show. He was babied all year and when the training wheels come off we will see his true colors.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:40 pm
Dude Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 6:35 pm
You never saw me calling him a bust. I think he will be one, but its too early to put that label on him now. Those stats are a smoke and mirrors show. He was babied all year and when the training wheels come off we will see his true colors.
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Smoke and mirrors show? Actually his rating is driven by the fact he doesn’t make a lot of mistakes with the ball as far as turnovers. Plus his TD to INT was almost 2 to 1.
Babied….Joe Flacco was babied too. You are supposed to protect a young QB while he learns…or the team develops…Anyway, if he is being babied…that’s on the coaches and their stupid conservatism. Instead of giving “Crash Fargas” the ball to run into a brick wall….they should have thrown it more often. Can’t learn unless you play and make a few mistakes.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
I thin everyone still remembers Rich Gannon. That’s why everyone wants Jeff Garcia.
But you notice that the QBs in command are the downfield guys…
Manning
Brady
Rivers
Cutler
Brees
E. Manning
Warner
Small ball stagnates eventually. That’s why the Dolphins are so quick to get Henne in there next year and move on from Pennington.
July 12th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Problem is ALL those guys have big time WRs, Russell does not. I am of the belief that the instability and ineptness of the Raider franchise will have as much to do with Russell being a bust as anything else.
July 12th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
snb #546 is a hell of a statement to make for a rookie who hasn’t played a down. FIXED defense OK!
July 12th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
Raji must be one hellova player to fix this terrible defense all by himself. WOW!
July 12th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
SnB
Green Bay’s defense fell off quite a bit last year so they should be top notch this year. Right? I mean with the great Raji and all, they should be top 5 huh?!?
I mean you put so much stock in this kid sometimes I think he’s a relative of yours.
July 12th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
613th!! Finally!
July 13th, 2009 at 12:48 am
Priest!
Raji would have gone a long way to fixing this defensive line. I will go out on a limb and say that his potential is far superior to that of Gerard Warren and Terdell Sands! Two guys entering their 8th and 9th years respectively. Puhleeeeeze!!!!!!
Put him in there with a rotation of Kelly, Warren, Raji, and whoever wins next…and no one in Raider Nation is complaining.
You didn’t even read my earlier post. I said that I didn’t believe that a receiver was worth a top 10 pick. But if Al Davis felt a receiver was the pick…then D-HB was the best pick of the group.
And yes….Eugene Monroe would have been a terrific addition to this team and would have a HIGH probability of fixing this the O-Line.
You should stop being so negative. Al Davis does not walk on water…..he is not infallable and makes mistakes.
I actually like your posts….but your tenor of your latest posts leaves a lot to be desired!!!!
Now let me get on this damn flight!
July 13th, 2009 at 2:59 am
Oh thank gawd! Raider nation station was devoid of new stories for a long time. I undertstqand they had a death in the family and my condolences, but MNA! I’m glad theres something about Oakland back up and running!
Keep em’ coming please!
http://www.raidernationstation.com/draftermath
July 13th, 2009 at 3:03 am
Where is 4eva free 4eva!
July 13th, 2009 at 5:42 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Good question, NMF. Where is 4eva?
Good Morning Nnamdi!
July 13th, 2009 at 6:02 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S, HWNDR,HOPE EVERYTHING IS OK WITH 4EVA,HOPEFULLY HE FOUND SOME WORK,I KNOW HE HAS BEEN STRUGGLING THERE IN FLA.I WILL START CALLING HIM 2EVA IF HE IS ONLY GOING TO POST HALF THE TIME-LOL
July 13th, 2009 at 6:02 am
Morning Nation,
FREE 4eva!!!!
hwnrdr, NoMoreFargas
How we doin fellas??
I think S&B had a point with his last entry that was the first time I heard someone bashin Al with out crossing the line!!!!
HENDERSON TO THE PROBOWL!!!!
JLH~ 79 Catches- 856 Yards- 8 TD
My new Koolaid suit is on order!!!!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!!
(support local anything)
July 13th, 2009 at 6:07 am
D-L F,
Morning!!!
MCFADDEN 1700 all purpose yards!!!!!=PROBOWL!!!
Black no surgar please Gabby……
PLAYOFF BOUND!!!!!!
(support local hip-hop)
July 13th, 2009 at 6:12 am
JUST BACK A SUPER-TANKER INTO THE EAST-BAY FULL OF KOOL-AID. U R IN CHARGE OF DISTRIBUTION OAKLIFER…
July 13th, 2009 at 6:17 am
CAN U C THE MOD LEANING BACK IN A CHAIR, SCRATCHING THERE HEAD SAYIN’ ” WHAT THE HELL IS THIS KOOL-AID STUFF THEY KEEP TALKIN ABOUT”…
July 13th, 2009 at 6:17 am
Weekend has been good. Relaxing, finally got some decent sleep in.
A supertanker full of kool-aid, huh? Cool. I’ll be sure to grab some during breakfast and coffee with Gabby.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:28 am
MC FADDEN 1500-2000 TOTAL YDS WOULD BE OUTSTANDING,JUST HOPE HE CAN HOLD UP FOR 16 GAMES AND THAT MANY YDS. THAT’S A LOT OF PUNISHMENT..
July 13th, 2009 at 6:32 am
JUST HOPE HE CAN HOLD UP FOR 16 GAMES AND THAT MANY YDS. THAT’S A LOT OF PUNISHMENT..
Most of those yrds will be on 45 yrd runs to the endzone un-touched on a screen or sweep….it wont be that much punishment thats what human crash test and Mike Bush are for!!!!get ur waders here comes Quaterback Berry a mix of undeniable intangibles with size and speed to kill……This mix has all the berries trust me he will stir them in at will!!!!!!
PLAYOFF BOUND!!!!!!!
(support local fruit)
July 13th, 2009 at 6:42 am
Good morning to all!
Had a horrendous end to last week – lower back spasmed and I couldn’t move or get any relief. But the doc gave me relaxers, cortisone and Oxy-Codone, which did me RIGHT. Thank goodness for high grade pharmacopia! If I start babbling like Narco, please understand its the drugs talkin!
Oh, and avoid all clownopractors – visited one for the first time and he made me worse. Plus they can’t even prescribe anything, so of course their gadgets alone will solve all your problems.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:03 am
Interesting piece from Texans RT Eric Winston on the differences between left and right tackle (paying attention Khalif?):
RT vs. LT
Written By Eric Winston | July 10, 2009
So my friend has finally won out, this blog will be about the differences between Right Tackle and Left Tackle. It’s probably good that I am talking about this topic because there are many common misconceptions about the position. I’m not sure how to do this so I will answer typical statements I hear.
Left Tackles are more athletic.
For the most part, yes. Left Tackles are commonly your more athletic, less physical former basketball player or all-around athlete. Right Tackles might not be as athletic but they are more physical, tougher players. Right Tackles are asked to “open up” holes by moving the defensive player while Left Tackles “cover” their guy up by getting in front of the defender but don’t get as much movement.
Right Tackles are the better run blockers because teams are right handed and run right more than left.
Again, for the most part, yes. I don’t have the exact numbers but I’m pretty sure we ran right more than left last year. However, in our zone scheme the play side can be the backside quite a few times because of so many cutbacks the back is offered by good cutoff blocks on the backside.
Right Tackles don’t have to be as good at pass blocking because they get more help than the left tackle.
Absolutely wrong. The only time this is true is during most play-action passes, especially when the tight end is next to the Right Tackle. Think about it, if a team runs right more, then a team is going to play action to that side as well, therefore the tight end does stay in and block some of those times. To me, one of the hardest blocks to make is when you are to the open side (no TE next to you) and the play-action fake is coming your way. Think about selling out at a defensive end on a play-action pass hoping that he reads it as run and doesn’t blow by you up the field. It is a block that takes a ton of practice and self confidence. An old vet used to tell me, “if you believe, he’ll believe” and he was exactly right. (Thanks Ephraim.) Generally speaking, the backside of the play-action pass is harder, giving the Left Tackle the most stress.
…and on drop backs, too.
This fluctuates from team to team. I have had games where I have gotten no help, meaning that the center floats toward one guard, and that guard can in turn help the tackle. On drop backs, when the center isn’t coming your way, you are on an island, all alone, you vs. the DE. Other games the help goes back and forth, and every once in a blue moon, I’ll get more help. (Maybe once or twice in my career.)
Right ends are better pass rushers than left ends.
This one really fluctuates from year to year. I will say the majority of teams set up this way but not as many as people think. In our division, it definitely sets up this way. I would say it is a coin toss between Titans Javon Kearse and Kyle Vandenbosch, they are both equally good in my opinion. The Colts have Freeney and Mathis, both very good, but Freeney is in a league of his own, and the Jaguars have Paul Spicer and two rookies who will be good as the years go on. We face those guys twice a year. The rest depends on our non-division schedule. I remember my first year, out of the nine games I started, six or seven of the left ends were the better on their teams. (Remember, left ends go over the Right Tackle and right ends go over the Left Tackle).
Can you play both?
Sure, but it is hard. I played Left Tackle all through college and then switched when I got to the Texans. I was switched because my arm length is not considered prototypical for a left tackle. I have normal length human arms, the NFL doesn’t want normal length, they want extra long. Long arms allows the tackle to hit the defender in pass protection before they can hit you. If you are wondering, I understand what they are saying, but I never have had a problem getting my hands on defenders. Now that I have made the switch, I am glad to be playing Right Tackle. It fits my demeanor more and I have become every bit as comfortable as I ever was on the left. But it was a hard rookie year, you basically have to do the exact opposite with each foot and hand from one side to the other. On the Right you kick with your left foot, on the Left you kick with the right foot. On the Right your outside punch hand is your right and on the Left your outside punch hand is your left. You get the picture where this is going. This why good swing tackles (backups that play both) are paid well and needed desperately for depth.
In conclusion, I have really enjoyed playing Right Tackle. Going into my fourth year I am looking forward to being more physical at the point of attack, cutting off the backside, and pass blocking like a Left Tackle … but we know better than that, don’t we?
Eric Winston is a starting offensive tackle for the Houston Texans.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:09 am
Good Morning Nation,
At least all the articles are not negative. This one says very positive things and states we might challenge in the West.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/216814-why-oakland-might-turn-some-heads-this-year
July 13th, 2009 at 7:14 am
They forgot to mention he only plays half the season because of all the “micro” injuries…
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Stats guru says Miami Dolphins did well with signing of Jake Grove
By BARRY JACKSON
bjackson@MiamiHerald.com
With training camp opening Aug. 1, ESPN stats guru KC Joyner, whose analysis we often share here, gave us insight into the Dolphins’ additions:
• Joyner’s metrics reinforce that Miami got the better of the center swap with Oakland. (Miami signed Jake Grove, then traded Samson Satele to the Raiders for a sixth-round pick.) On running plays where Grove was at the point of attack in 2008, he had an exceptional 90.6 win percentage. That means 90.6 percent of the time, the defender that matched up against Grove did not stuff the hole or make contact with the runner at or behind the line of scrimmage. Those runs averaged 6.2 yards.
By contrast, Satele’s win percentage was 79.5 percent, and runs behind him averaged 5.4 yards. Grove’s success rate is among the NFL’s best and higher than any Dolphins lineman in 2008. Grove also allowed just 1.5 sacks (both coverage sacks), Satele four.
• Raiders announcer/former coach Tom Flores told us new Dolphins safety Gibril Wilson, effective on run support, struggled in pass coverage. Evidence: Joyner said on four plays over the top with Wilson defending, he was beaten three times, including two touchdowns. But Joyner said Renaldo Hill (now with Denver) wasn’t much better, and Wilson is the better player. Plus, after a year at strong safety in Oakland, Wilson returns to free safety, where he thrived as a Giant.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Morning BSJ thanks for the Winston cut good stuff!!!!
hopefully your nephew Southwick finds himself a RT like that to protect his behind!!!!
PLAYOFF BOUND!!!!
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July 13th, 2009 at 8:04 am
Morning!
The Braves beat the Rockies on Saturday so the wife was happy! We almost caught a foul ball at the game, but some fat guy’s gut deflected the ball.
I wore a bright yellow 2009 Lakers championship shirt to the game…the usher wanted to refuse my entrance into my section because he lost $40 on the Lakers-Nuggs series…we ended up sitting next to 4 guys, three of which were Nugg fans, but one of which was a Lakers fan…we gave his buddies quite a bit of grief….muhahahaha.
I see McFadden is paying $8k a month in child support…could have been worse I guess, but is that really necessary? 8K a month in Ark probably goes a long way! At least he is not Chargers’ CB Antonio Cromartie, who has 7 illegit children in five states!
July 13th, 2009 at 8:14 am
(support local illegit children )
July 13th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Wrap that rascal!!
July 13th, 2009 at 8:27 am
Dakota,
Glad you gave grief to the Nuggets fans. I posted this for you yesterday. Seems the Laker’s have offered Odom $7 mil a year on a multi year contract and since he can’t get anyone to offer a sign and trade, he’s stuck. From the South Bay Daily Breeze in L.A.:
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
July 12th, 2009 at 10:19 am
If you’re out there Dakota,
According to a Lakers source, the team expects to come to an agreement with Odom sometime next week.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Lamar Odom…why have you not re-signed yet? You are not worth $10 million a year, so suck it up and take your $2 million dollar a year pay cut and be happy that you are not one of us working stiffs!
July 13th, 2009 at 8:29 am
8K in child support!!!!
How many kids does have? He is only 21!!!!
July 13th, 2009 at 8:29 am
The offer inclides a weekly visit to See’s Candy. lol
http://www.sees.com/?utm_source=yahoo&utm_medium=ssp&utm_campaign=tlp
July 13th, 2009 at 8:30 am
That sounds like good news Exla! If Odom is on board we can start scheduling the next parade! June, 2010 baby!
July 13th, 2009 at 8:34 am
we can start scheduling the next parade! June, 2010 baby!
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Yeah start now hotles will be filling up streets full of rabis fans!!1 BLAZERMANIA is back if you two start planning now let me know I have a geust room!! We could watch the parade together!!! I think it runs along the historic Waterfront cant remember 77 was a long time ago!!!!
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July 13th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Just the one kid Raider O….8K per month…I guess kids’ mothers need to drive BMWs and live in 4000 sq ft houses to make sure the kid has a great upbringing!
Still, I think other athletes have had it worse that $8k per month.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:42 am
8K = Great Upbringing!!
lol
July 13th, 2009 at 8:42 am
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/8799596/Why-Al-Davis-had-bigger-impact-than-Bill-Walsh-?CMP=OTC-K9B140813162&ATT=5
July 13th, 2009 at 8:43 am
OAKlifer
And the signing of Paul Milsap will take you to the parade. LMFAO
By the way, Friday was a bad day for you. 2nd rd draft pick Patty Mills has broken his foot Thursday night during a practice for the NBA’s summer league. He was scheduled for surgery on Monday.
After starring for Australia in the Beijing Olympics and for Saint Mary’s in college, the 6-foot point guard was selected by the Blazers with the 55th overall pick in the NBA draft last month.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:43 am
The following is an excerpt from Cam Inman’s recently released book, “The Best Bay Area Sports Arguments.” This is the 35th of 100 debates: Who made a greater impact on pro Football, Al Davis or Bill Walsh?
AL DAVIS HAS spent nearly 50 years in pro Football. And we mean IN pro Football. He lives and breathes the sport, especially his Raiders.
His accomplishments over the decades can’t be dismissed, no matter how overshadowed they’ve become by his “maverick” reputation and his increasing number of franchise-foiling moves.
Another remarkable legacy belongs to Bill Walsh, one filled with Super Bowl wins, a dynamic offensive scheme and a push for more minority coaches.
Walsh turned around the 49ers franchise within a couple years of his hiring in 1979. He won three Super Bowls in his 10 seasons.
While he assisted the 49ers in future years as a general manager and consultant, Walsh’s legacy continues to have a trickle-down effect throughout the NFL.
His West Coast offense has served as a staple for many teams’ playbooks, a result of the extensive tree that has sprung up with coaches who are one, two or three degrees of separation away from Walsh, who died in 2007.
Walsh’s methods extended far beyond his pioneering system. It was how he implemented things, how he ran practices, how he scripted plays to start games, how he jockeyed down the draft board and how he cut loose players a year too early rather than a year too late.
The NFL is known as a copycat league, and so many coaches have attempted to duplicate Walsh’s methods.
Both Walsh and Davis can be described as pioneers, innovators and true icons. Davis is the one who actually gave Walsh his first pro gig in 1966 as the Raiders’ running backs coach.
A few years earlier, Davis had joined the Raiders as their head coach and general manager at age 33. That was in 1963, after the Raiders had struggled in their first three years of existence. He immediately jump-started the American Football League franchise, inheriting a 1-13 team and turning it into a 10-4 winner, the largest single-season turnaround in pro Football history.
Of Davis’ storied legacy and his “commitment to excellence,” he should be proudest of being at the forefront of racial integration, and, for that matter, the overall diversification in pro Football.
He hired the first black coach (Art Shell), the first Hispanic coach (Tom Flores) and the first female chief executive (Amy Trask).
Carrying over from his early days as a San Diego Chargers assistant, Davis also believed in the black player, no matter his position or college. Davis’ stance as an equal-opportunity employer didn’t stop there. He gave renegades new life, so long as they could play the game and win.
It’s no mistake he’s in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, and it’s no coincidence that he’s presented nine former Raiders at their inductions into Canton, the latest being coach John Madden in 2006.
When Davis walked off the enshrinement stage in 2006 and was asked about Warren Moon becoming the first black quarterback inducted, Davis dared one reporter to name any organization that’s done more for racial diversity than the Raiders.
Davis also played a key role in keeping the games going. He not only helped forge the American Football League’s merger with the NFL, but he also has brokered peace in ratifying new collective bargaining agreements, including the 2006 deal.
He, of course, hasn’t been afraid to challenge the NFL establishment, as obviously evident during the Raiders’ move to Los Angeles and their quest for a new stadium there.
His legacy has taken a beating in recent years, through his flurry of coaching moves, flexing of authority and questionable personnel moves (e.g. trading away Randy Moss in 2007 and signing overpriced free agents in March 2008).
But you have to look at the lifetime of work Davis has contributed to the NFL. That’s what we did, and we’ve concluded he’s had a bigger impact than Walsh.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:44 am
forgot to credit Yahoo Sports for the cut and paste.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:45 am
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sid_Gillman
July 13th, 2009 at 8:48 am
I love this system!!!
-The GOV tells you how much to pay to support your kids!
-The GOV tells me I have no say in keeping a child, but I have to pay for 18 yrs!
- in most cases the ex wife gets the kids!! Especially in Cali.
I have no rights as a Father!!
July 13th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Maybe that’s why most males act like Sperm Donors, and not Fathers!!!!!
Too bad!! We need fathers for our kids!!! Not sperm Donors!!!
July 13th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Sorry RaiderO….the system is set against men….but at least you are a minority! If you were an female illegal alien, you would be set!
July 13th, 2009 at 8:57 am
I just got banned from profootballtalk
Get this for posting on a “has the media gone to far article”.
I said “They killed Princess Diana didn’t they!”
July 13th, 2009 at 9:00 am
lol 666…good one…at least you went out with a bang!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:01 am
LMAO @ 649 & 650!!!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Anyways back to the Raiders and the other posters in here.
Dakota, Raider O, Dirtyracoon and exlaraiderseasonticketholder can we all agree that this post has gone on forever and we need training camp to start so we can get fresh material everyday!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Perhaps Mcfadden wants to pay $8K/month so his kid can be raised in a nice environment?
(support your local pharmacist)
July 13th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Free speech is overrated, just ask me!!
I lived in Jordan. People disappeared for saying we need a better sys!!!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:06 am
good morning Silver, BSJ, Raider O, Dakota …
July 13th, 2009 at 9:07 am
lol, good one Bo, even if you weren’t joking, that was a good one!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:07 am
good morning Exla, Dirty, OAKlifer, TW …
July 13th, 2009 at 9:08 am
BSJ,
I see the drugs are working!!! lol
Legalize it!!!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Dakota/Exla:
Adam Morrison is lighting it up in Summer League. The team could use his shooting. From LA Times Lakers blog:
The O.C. Register’s Janis Carr recently yapped with Lakers Assistant General Manager Ronnie Lester about the team’s ongoing talks with Lamar Odom. Carr says Lester informed her that LO’s offer has been bumped “a little north of $8 million.” More or less what people have bandied about as the “magic number,” so to speak. Lester also expressed confidence a deal could go down next week. Promising news, for sure. B. Shaw will certainly be happy.
Lester also indicated to Carr that Sun Yue, whose option needs to be picked up by August 1st, could find himself ex-Laker soon. His case apparently isn’t being helped by an absence from the Summer Pro League. The same SPL, by the way, where Adam Morrison has recorded 22 and 24-point tallies. Granted, these results should obviously be taken with a grain of salt, considering Ammo is lighting up competition that’s hardly NBA “elite.” Many of these cats are barely NBA “ready.” But still, as Morrison is working to get his legs back under him (literally and figuratively), I’m sure the brass is pleased with the early returns.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:09 am
2 years, 9 months, 22 days until my child support obligation stops and I can finally buy a mustang!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:11 am
RR,
Good morning.
See what happpens when you don’t post your articles in the mornings!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Rubbers are cheap 8K a month in Arkansas translates to about 300K a year in Bay Area Money. Arkansas is a poor state she could have got 4K a month and lived large there.
My point is that a rubber is about $1.50 that’s the kind of math they don’t teach you in school.
Another piece of advice for you pro athletes a limo is cheaper than a DUI. Considerably cheaper!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Dakota,
OBLIGATION!!
lol
July 13th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Miami got the better of the center swap with Oakland. (Miami signed Jake Grove, then traded Samson Satele to the Raiders for a sixth-round pick.) On running plays where Grove was at the point of attack in 2008, he had an exceptional 90.6 win percentage. That means 90.6 percent of the time, the defender that matched up against Grove did not stuff the hole or make contact with the runner at or behind the line of scrimmage. Those runs averaged 6.2 yards.
By contrast, Satele’s win percentage was 79.5 percent, and runs behind him averaged 5.4 yards. Grove’s success rate is among the NFL’s best and higher than any Dolphins lineman in 2008. Grove also allowed just 1.5 sacks (both coverage sacks), Satele four.
By KC Joyner (ESPN)
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Nice post BSJ. Tom Cable wanted to keep Jake Grove for some reason. Satele has never played in the zbs to my knowledge. Neither had John Wade prior to signing with Oakland. Center is a pretty darn important position to be trying out reclamation projects, just like Kwame Harris at LT (wow did that one fail!)
Lets hope the Cable guy got this one right. Everyone says Samson is athletic enough, but is he strong enough? I don’t want to see Jamal Williams eat this guy alive (maybe literally) on Monday Night Football!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:17 am
My post in “profootballtyalk” regarding McFadden’s child support ruling:
“Spread your legs get rewarded by the US government and they say that prostitution is illegal. ”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/11/mcfadden-resolves-child-support-case/#comments
July 13th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Backup protection: Ten best No. 2 quarterbacks
Only 16 quarterbacks made it through every start last season, which means in half the NFL’s cities No. 2 quarterbacks played significant roles. So you better go to camp with someone you can trust, and that’s why I’m here. If I’m going to the bullpen, these are the 10 quarterbacks I call:
#1. Jeff Garcia, Oakland: Granted, the Raiders’ vertical offense doesn’t exactly suit him, but there is no one I’d trust more coming off the bench. Jeff Garcia basically wins wherever he goes. He started and won in San Francisco. He started and won in Philadelphia. He started and won in Tampa Bay. In all three spots he went to the playoffs, and he’s a four-time Pro Bowler. Plus, he threw for 30 or more touchdowns passes in a season … twice. So what’s not to like?
OK, so he’s 39. But he didn’t break into the NFL until he was 29, so he hasn’t absorbed the punishment of someone like, say, Brett Favre. He still can run. He seldom makes mistakes. He’s one of the toughest quarterbacks I’ve covered. And he has a history of overcoming the odds. Maybe that’s why Garcia insists he will beat out JaMarcus Russell for the No. 1 job. Me? I can’t see it, not because he’s not qualified but because the Raiders have a substantial investment in Russell and are committed to seeing it through.
By Clark Judge (CBS Sports)
July 13th, 2009 at 9:22 am
LOL at the baby mama bashing …
Some of you sound a little bitter, lol! Is DMac’s situation hitting a little close to home?
100k a year for a guy making millions per year is not tha big of a deal. The guy probably spends that on cars and gas, and he can’t kick in for his kid?
And this coming from a group of men is pretty sad. Your implying that if it was you, you wouldn’t want to pay.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Father’s Day equals National I Did Not Get It Out On Time Day!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Warren Sapp of NFL Network ranked Buccaneers T Donald Penn among his top five offensive linemen in the league.
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LOL! there goes his credibility and reputation. oh wait, nevermind. He never had any cred and has a terrible reputation as an NFL analyst. what a d0uche bag and complete Buc homer …
July 13th, 2009 at 9:25 am
LOL at the Grove and Satele comparison. Like anyone is going to give the Raiders props over something Bill Parcells did.
Really funny how they gloss over Wilson’s pass coverage deficiencies. The guy couldn’t cover at SS, and he’s going to thrive at FS? LMFAO!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Jabar Gaffney is the #1 WR in Denver with Brandon Marshall out. LOL!
-PFT
July 13th, 2009 at 9:30 am
The 49ers will practice with the Raiders in Napa for the second straight summer. The joint sessions are scheduled for Tuesday Aug. 18, and Wednesday Aug. 19 and will proceed the 49ers second exhibition game of the season against the Raiders at home on Saturday, Aug. 22. Those joint practices are closed to the public. The 49ers will also break training camp that week.
-Kevin Lynch (SF Gate)
July 13th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Denver is Done!!!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:35 am
jhill
Obviously you have not been dragged through the bowels of our family court system by your scrotum.
Easy to have your opinion when you haven’t been through a nasty divorce or you are still happily married.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:36 am
I hope MM puts a nice hit on Crab!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:38 am
new post!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:41 am
SnB,
Bro what the hell does this have to do with DHB or Al Davis? This has to do with your man love of B.J. Raji. Al Davis and DHB don’t play defense. Your saying that our defense as bad as you say it is would be FIXED is what I’m talking about.
Stay on point!!
I DIDN”T want DHB truth be told I wanted Eugene Monroe now I agree with the assesment of the Oline being pretty close to fixed with the Monroe pick. Only because I think the line was already very close.
But based on YOUR thoughts of our Dline you B.J. Raji would fix it. Maybe your right so I want to see if he can FIX Green Bay’s D.
Don’t run behind smoke screens Bro. lol
July 13th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Morning Double R!!!!!
exlaraiderseasonticketholder,
Milsap will be in Utah this is a Negotiating tool to force them to trade Boozer to match the sheet then wolla pritch slapped we are one of the only few teams with cap space to trade with then we bring in hienrich in a 3 way deal!!! and if not and Utha cant match we get a starting PF that will be backing up LA and spliting time at SF if needed I really like the kid would I rather have him than a proven PG at this point no!!! would I rather have him than Artest at this Point HE!! yes!!! Face it if Odem leaves for overpayment else where you will be wishing you still had AAriza and Odem not two guys (kobe&Artst) each taking 19-30 shots a gamne!!!! BALK @ that!!! Oh and as far as Patty cake goes he would have been what we here in Raiderland call camp fotter/practice Squad no way he makes the final roster by beating out Broy Bayless Blake Martell and all the other G’s we have!!!!
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