Davis released, Sulak reportedly waived
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, July 13th, 2009 at 2:20 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Safety Keith Davis, signed as a reserve safety and special teams player during the offseason, was released according to the transactions page on Raiders.com
In a more surprising development, Profootballtalk.com reports the Raiders have waived defensive end Stryker Sulak, a sixth-round draft pick out of Missouri.
When Sulak was drafted, Raiders coach Tom Cable said the plan was to play him as a strongside linebacker along with fourth-round pick Slade Norris.
However, during the mandatory minicamp and OTAs, Sulak was instead lined up exclusviely as a defensive end and was getting reps with the second and third teams.
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July 13th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
Wasted 6 rd pick, Mr GM.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
1st!
July 13th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Finally!
July 13th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Zach Follett OLB
Ricky Jean Francois DT
Trevor Canfeld RG
A.Q Shipley C
Just sayin…..
July 13th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
i always thought davis was gonna get released
July 13th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Maybe Sulak only had one eye?
July 13th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Not that big of a deal. At the time the pick was made, it was pretty likely Burgess was going to get traded, and we didn’t have Ellis on board.
Good for us that we cut him early enough for him to try and catch on with another team. He simply wasn’t going to beat out Ellis, Burgess, Scott, Gunhiem, Shaunessy, or Richards.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Let it play itself out……..DAMN!
Adios!!
July 13th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
I’m not really surprised about Davis but Sulak had an awesome name, and it’s a shame to see him go.
Oh yeah, it was a wasted pick too.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Davis was cut the day he ran his mouth about Garcia being the starter over Davis, lol!
You called that one from the Pawn Shop, I must say.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
I bet along with Sulak there is now an ex-Raider scout looking for employment. Priest, get your resume to HQ pronto…
Dakota, you still hatin’ on Aska?
July 13th, 2009 at 2:29 pm
Jhill, that’s a good point. I’m glad we’re effectively giving him another chance with someone else.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Stryker could barely land that plane, why did we think he could play football?
July 13th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
A 6th round pick, folks!
No one is losing their job, lol! No one is stupid for making this pick.
Settle down there.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:31 pm
No Bo, just the guy that drafted him….
July 13th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Now, KK — If Sulak’s the ONLY player drafted who doesn’t make a squad, then it would be a wasted pick. The “more” to this story is yet to come. Regardless of what that is,..if the Raiders saw enough of him to know they couldn’t use him (or he was too much work), then it doesn’t matter if he was cut now, or a month from now.
Sulak’s apparently wrong for the Raiders. Glad to know it now, and not after somebody else loses the chance to excel.
The draft’s a crap-shoot, Kell…you’re such an “expert” on it, you should know that by now!
July 13th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
Hey Jerry, Sulak isn’t in the transactions page
July 13th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Bwahahahaha….. this years draft just became even worse… the idiot shaunnesey just HAVE to pan out now, I hated those two DE/OLB picks….
July 13th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Now back to this Southwick kid.
You’ve GOT to be kidding me with this best QB on the roster stuff, right?
I actually hope you are not kidding, but admittedly know nothing about this kid. Those are big words though, and if so, he should at least be #3, and actually beat out Garcia.
Why did this kid go undrafted?
July 13th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
It always fascinates me how many of you people analyze the undrafted free agents and the late round draft picks, lol…how many of them ever contribute? 15%?…that is probably on the high side.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:38 pm
One of my favorite movies right there.
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# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Stryker could barely land that plane, why did we think he could play football?
July 13th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
jhill Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
Now back to this Southwick kid.
You’ve GOT to be kidding me with this best QB on the roster stuff, right?
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No question about it…Michael Bush followed by McFadden. Russell is the best RT we have on the roster though…
July 13th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
Do most 6th rounders make it through camp? If most 6th round picks do not make NFL rosters after camp…
…would it be the worst GM move, to NOT sign one to anything (guaranteeing NO money), if you don’t want/need him in camp?
That actually might be construed as a fiscally responsible move, especially in today’s “tighter” economy.
Damn the GM who wants to be a little fiscally responsible — something he’s been overly-criticized for not being! KK = hypocrite.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
To cut a draft pick before even seeing him in pads?
Draft football players…not measurables
July 13th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
Dakota,
I think you’d be surprised. All these players went undrafted: Antonio Pierce, Ryan Grant, Bart Scott, Jason Peters,London Fletcher, Brian Waters, Jake Delhomme, Pat Williams, Jeff Saturday, Jeff Garcia, Willie Parker, Wes Welker, James Harrison, Tony Romo, Antonio Gates and Kurt Warner are just some of the guys playing today who went UNDRAFTED. That’s not even counting guys like Tom Brady, TJ Houshmanzadeh and others who were drafted very late.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Slade Norris?
July 13th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Chris, I know the names, but there were probably 10-15 players that didn’t make it for every one of those that even makes a roster. I guess if everyone is interested in trying to guess who might be the next Pat Williams, have at it…you’ll be wrong probably at least 9 times out of 10, lol. Seems pointless.
July 13th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Fiscally responsible? lamo.
Signing a Zone corner at 8mill per, to play man?
Maybe he should have let Javon Walker give him his money back?
It’s just a wasted pick, which could have been used on someone else.
More & more the GM’s age shows badly.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
6th rnd pick folks …
EEEEEEasy there. Did we really just cut the next great DE? Or did we really pass up the chance to get, oh I don’t know, Warren’s replacement, or Alston’s replacement? Heck, maybe we should have drafted completely different in rd 2 since we could have gotten that player with the 6th rd pick instead of this guy? Or at least a S, in the 2nd so we could’ve taken Ron Brace in rd 2?
How deep is this going to get? LoL! who’da thunk I woulda needed boots in 100 degree weather!
July 13th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
At least we didn’t cut Mike Mitchell or DHB…..yet.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
LOL at the wasted pick comment.
Who should we have taken instead? Like anyone in here could REALLY tell us (on draft day that is) who we should have taken, and that that person would have made the team.
AGAIN, at the time the pick was made Burgess was as good as out of the door, we hadn’t signed Ellis, and Alston wasn’t 20lbs heavier.
None of that matters though, huh? Just same old Al sucks rhetoric.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Jhill Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
LOL at the wasted pick comment.
Who should we have taken instead?
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Someone who could compete in camp, obviously.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Someone who could compete in camp, obviously.
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At the time the pick was made, obviously, that was the intent. SINCE THEN, retaining Burgess and signing Ellis alleviated that need.
Is a camp body really that big of a deal?
July 13th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
At the time the pick was made, obviously, that was the intent. SINCE THEN, retaining Burgess and signing Ellis alleviated that need.
Is a camp body really that big of a deal?
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You Davis apologizers are sad.
He wants to win, his intentions were good. What low expectations.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
KK,
I think a wasted 6th round pick rates pretty low on the “Things to be Alarmed About” meter for Al and the 2009 Raiders.
I am more worried about the McDonald’s supervisor we have as head coach, the QB that is 8 months pregnant, the d-line that can’t stop the run and the o-line that makes the aforementioned d-line look like the 1985 Bears in practice, and the rookies who can’t stay on the field…
Once all of those issues are resolved, then I’ll spend time worrying about the wasted 6th round pick.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
Look, I’m not tearing my hair out about Stryker.
I’m just saying the obvious, it’s a wasted draft choice.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
The writting was on teh wall for Sulak as soon as Ellis was signed. I give the Raiders a pass because of the fact that Ellis was released after the draft and we couldn’t trade Burgess. I can see the stories of the whole Raiders “stupid decisions” coming.
After Ellis was signed, who were they going to take time from? Ellis? Burgess? Or one of the other 7 DEs?:
Matt Shaughnessy
Trevor Scott
Jay Richardson
Greyson Gunheim
Derrick Gray
Remember, we also have 4QBs, we are going to sign another kicker or two to save Lechler and Seabass legs, like always.
This guy was just made expendable especially if they didn’t see out perform Shaughnessy.
Oh well, another drop in the bucket.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I think I am far from a Davis apologizer. He’s made mistakes in the front office without question. He even says so. It’s no big secret.
But I’m sure there is an adjective for you guys who put every single move the man makes under the microscope and come up with a negative spin. A 6th rd pick is not relevant. Even you say he was supposed to be just a camp body. What’s the big deal?
July 13th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Didn’t we “accidentally” cut a 3rd round pick two years ago? Moses?
July 13th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
KK, hyperventilating like usual…followed by level-headed counter-thoughts:
-KoolKell Says:
Fiscally responsible? lamo.
Signing a Zone corner at 8mill per, to play man?
****That was last year, KK — a mistake clearly owned-up to by The Man himself. MeAngelo was supposed to play Man coverage…he just couldn’t do the job he was hired to do. Now, he’s gone. I guess he was the only trade to go bad last year, in the entire league? No, just the highest-profile one.
-Maybe he should have let Javon Walker give him his money back?
****One of Al Davis’s greatest traits is his humanity and loyalty. His supporting a player, when that player is down (as “dumb” as his actions may be), is what makes Al the best owner in the league…far from the worst. As a GM, that loyalty can be costly…but worth it long-term.
-It’s just a wasted pick, which could have been used on someone else.
****If that’s true, KK, then every drafted player who doesn’t make it through camp without being cut is a wasted pick. That would also mean that Al Davis isn’t the only GM who has to cut players he had drafted (duh!). Once GM’s/teams see what they need to see, they make decisions then. “Wasting” a 6th-round pick is just not possible, as long as that player got his chance to show how he’d fit (or not). Sulak’s shown that in OTA’s already (and he’s still not on official transactions pages as being cut)
-More & more the GM’s age shows badly.
****If the number of Al’s draft picks to make the roster is proportionate to other GM’s in the league, would it matter to your way of thinking? What a silly question — we already know that if Al is even average in a category, you wouldn’t acknowledge it. The only thing you can point out is the guy’s age, and the last 6-years. Great points. ZZZzzz.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
Ok Jhill,
If you’re fine with it, let it go, sheesh.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
That was an ugly one. That one did hurt. I wish we could know who made that decision, Al, Robo, or Lame. Ah well, all in the past. I don’t even know who he is playing for now. Must not be doing all that well.
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Dakota Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Didn’t we “accidentally” cut a 3rd round pick two years ago? Moses?
July 13th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
How can a 6th rd pick, camp body, be a wasted pick? Is it wasted b/c he was not able to compete in camp? Camp body guys get cut before the season starts anyway, right? So would it have been a wasted pick if we just waited until the end of camp to cut him?
We needed more competition at DE, specifically a pass rush, when the guy was drafted. We since added Ellis and retained Burgess, so it was clear as day that he wouldn’t make the team, and probably wouldn’t even get many reps behind 7 other guys.
This wouldn’t even be a story for any other team.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
RaiderMight Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 3:29 pm
That was an ugly one. That one did hurt. I wish we could know who made that decision, Al, Robo, or Lame. Ah well, all in the past. I don’t even know who he is playing for now. Must not be doing all that well.
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Radio 680am just reported that Quentin Moses was let go in error. Apparently Don Johnson, an assistant coach on the defensive line had submitted a prioritized list of players he wanted to keep. Moses was inadvertently left off the list. He then sent a separate email to a guy named Jeff Birren who works in administration. Birren thought Moses was to be added to the release list, so he added the name and faxed it in to league offices in New York. The error was not discovered until after the move was official. Accidents happen?
lol, ouch…can’t even Blame Al for that one.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
DirtyRaccoon Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Raider O, yeah Al davis coached under Sid with the LA Chargers. That’s when Al davis brought in Bill Walsh to NFL. The rest is history.
Not so O,
Davis is the one who actually gave Walsh his first pro gig in 1966 as the Raiders’ running backs coach, not Chargers.
DirtyRaccoon Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
Bill Walsh on Al Davis
I’ve been thinking about this subject because the NFL Network phoned me this morning and is coming to my house to tape me speaking about Al. The guy I spoke to said he wants me to talk about what’s been going on with the Raiders this season, but also give an overview of the Raiders since their return to Oakland. He said he doesn’t want this to be negative. He wants an objective look at Davis.
It’s easy for me to be negative about Davis, not as easy to be positive. Trying to think positively I remembered the things Bill Walsh used to tell me about Al. Bill admired Al. I’m not sure he liked Al. Two massive egos in collision, two men wanting to be the face of football in the Bay Area. I could be wrong.
In 1992, when I was writing my book on Bill’s return to Stanford, Bill asked if I knew Al and I said not really — the Raiders had been in L.A. much of my writing career. Bill said that was too bad. He said I would have found Al fascinating.
Well, he sure was right about that.
Bill also told me all his fundamental knowledge about football came from Al and the Raiders when he coached there one season under John Rauch. Rauch was teaching pure Al Davis while Davis was commissioner of the old AFL. Bill gave Al this credit. And I have to remind myself he did.
I’m going to quote a little from my book on Walsh to give you an idea of what Al meant to Bill and how Bill credited him:
“For a while, Walsh stayed on at Stanford (1966) to coach spring ball and help with recruiting. So he’d work all day at Stanford, get in his car, and drive to Oakland, where he worked all night with John Rauch and the Raiders.
“It was then Walsh acquired the core of his football knowledge, even though he only stayed one season. Raiders football was based on the theories of the legendary Sid Gillman who, Walsh says, was ‘Star Wars compared to everyone else in football.’ Al Davis had taken Gillman one step further. And here was Walsh, who had never played as a professional, had never been exposed to football at this level, drinking in this knowledge.
“Walsh had been used to systems that designed four pass plays for the halfback. The Raiders had twenty. The Raiders were one of the first teams to use minicamps to refine players’ skills. Walsh would work late into the night with the Raiders and report to Stanford by 8:00 a.m. the next day. This was the most creative period of his life, but Geri Walsh (Bill’s wife) couldn’t take this new arrangement. With the Raiders, Walsh was on call every minute. He was married to football, not to her, and he realized if he wanted to preserve his family he had to get out.”
End of quote. Walsh got out by coaching the semipro San Jose Apaches of the Continental League. The Raiders provided Bill with the Apaches’ uniforms.
– Lowell
July 13th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
see ya tomorrow…I am outta here
July 13th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Now THAT was something to talk about Dakota. Truly a wasted pick in Quentin Moses. 3rd rd picks not making the opening day roster was big. Especially since we kept Richards over him and he hasn’t done squat either. Haven’t been too good with DE picks. Maybe we finally hit with this Trevor Scott kid.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
I don’t believe that clerical error story for a second. I can’t believe for one second that the Head Coach and Al for that matter didn’t get a look at the cut list before it was sent over. I’m SURE the final 53 man roster is not something that is developed by putting a few lists together.
That’s lunacy!
July 13th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
Releasing Sulak is equal to -
- Lady Raccoon watching Grease one too many times and deciding she’s a Pink Lady and her boyfriend will be a Greaser
- Krappy questioning the decision making of Al Davis when he’s 10 years older, missing far more brain cells and carrying around 2 – 3 more lbs of poop in his pants
How are these two points equal? Trust me, they are.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Al Davis gave an hour-long State of the Nation address Wednesday to talk about his longtime friend Bill Walsh and an array of other topics such as the Randy Moss trade, Gene Upshaw’s treatment of retired players and Jim Otto’s health.
Davis visited Walsh with John Madden on Saturday, two days before Walsh died of leukemia-related complications. Walsh’s first professional coaching job was with the Raiders in 1966 when Davis hired him to be his offensive backs coach.
“Bill Walsh was a fierce competitor of mine, a close friend,” Davis said in a banquet room inside the Napa Valley Marriott, where the Raiders are holding training camp. “What he represented to professional football, and what stands out there today, is just unparalleled, whether it be George Halas or Paul Brown.”
When Walsh was coaching the 49ers, Davis said they had trade talks, and hinted quarterbacks Joe Montana and Steve Young came up in discussions. Davis said he never tried to hire Walsh as a head coach, but would have liked for him to be an adviser.
Davis also felt Walsh retired too soon, and said he tried to talk him out of it at the time.
“He made a mistake,” said Davis, who wants to start a college quarterback award named in Walsh’s honor. “Oh, he knew he did. I bawled him out. … I said, ‘What the … did you do that for?’ He didn’t need to retire. He still would have left a tremendous mark.”
Highlights from the rest of the interview:
– Davis defended NFLPA director Upshaw, a former Raider who has been criticized by some retired players for not doing enough to help them.
“I’m a great believer in the retired players, and I believe that Gene Upshaw believes in the retired players,” Davis said. “He’s done a great job, it’s not easy.”
Davis would like to see Pro Football Hall of Fame satellite sites opened in Orlando, Fla., and Anaheim, with the proceedings going to retired players.
– Davis said Raiders Hall of Fame center Otto had his right leg amputated two weeks ago in Salt Lake City, but did not give further details.
– Davis expressed disappointment in Moss’ production the past two seasons and couldn’t find a solution other than to trade him.
“If Lane (Kiffin) felt that was best for our team right now, I was going to do it, and we did it,” Davis said. “We didn’t get near what we should have. Randy Moss, if he’s well, can still play, in my opinion. Our coaches didn’t think so.”
Roster moves: The Raiders released quarterback Cody Pickett and defensive end Bill Swancutt, two late additions to the camp roster last week.
They signed center Jesse Boone, a second-year player who played in NFL Europe.
Briefly: Cornerback Stanford Routt had an MRI to determine the extent of his knee injury. Kiffin thinks he could be out for several weeks. … Running backs LaMont Jordan (back) and Dominic Rhodes (foot) returned to practice, while defensive tackle Josh Shaw left practice with a knee injury.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
beeecham = COWARD
July 13th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
LET THE SPIN BEGIN!
The same kool aid drinkers that talked up guys like Sulak are now saying a 6th rd pick – no biggie.
CHAZZ was a 7th round pick! Wasting draft pick is never “no biggie”.
Once again the Raiders drafted someone to play out of position – stupid! It has failed time and again.
If a guy is waived BEFORE CAMP there is a huge problem. If there is a huge problem why didn’t the Al’s discover it before draft day?
DAVIS WAS RELEASED? Yay! Wait not Al Davis? Oh well…
OK let’s hear why wasting a draft pick was a good thing.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
DHB is next!!
July 13th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
what a waste of #1!
should of drafted tree!
July 13th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
B!tcHam, you still laying low at the Del Taco?
It’s alright man I understand, ya aint got the guts, er Nut!’s! No biggy little guy, it is probably for the best that you stay at home, it’s safer there.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
[...] Raiders release Keith Davis – Contra Costa Times [...]
July 13th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Was up COW? Long time no post?? Er did I just miss them?
July 13th, 2009 at 3:54 pm
COW
You won’t hear anything but junk logic. But let’s see.
July 13th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
– Davis also felt Walsh retired too soon, and said he tried to talk him out of it at the time.
“He made a mistake,” said Davis, who wants to start a college quarterback award named in Walsh’s honor. “Oh, he knew he did. I bawled him out. … I said, ‘What the … did you do that for?’ He didn’t need to retire. He still would have left a tremendous mark.”
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Never retire, Al…just to pi$$ off the KK’s and MR’s and LMN’s of the world!
Al Davis is the only real maverick in the NFL. Now OR back in the day.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
[...] Raiders release Keith Davis – Contra Costa Times [...]
July 13th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
I think there may have been 1, maybe 2 guys who talked up that 6th rd pick. Some of us talked up the DE position and was glad that it was addressed, but no one claimed to know this guy or act like he would even make the team.
Waiving a low draft pick before camp is not a HUGE problem. Are u serious? Our 2nd to last pick in the draft?
What does Chaz have to do with Sulak? If Chaz had been the 8th WR on the depth chart some camp, the coaches might have chosen to let him move on too. And it would’ve been no big deal. To me, anyway.
I agree with Dakota in that this is WAYYYYYY down on the things to worry about list.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
I think most fans here care about winning & losing. A few don’t.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
jhill -
Waive a 6th round pick becausde it is camp fodder? Wow. What round was Trevor Scott drafted in? Chazz?
The hypocrites are hilarious. Every undrafted schmuck is going to solve our problems at run D but waive a 6th rd pick BEFORE YOU EVER SEE HIM IN PADS and it is no biggie.
You must not think much of Russell’s passing camp. The WRs were a 4th rder and undrafted guys – you know, camp fodder.
Every off season this team does some uniquely stupid thing(s) and the kool aid crowd tries to spin it. Same results come Sunday…
July 13th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Would’ve been great to have that extra body in camp? I think maybe. How it was “wasted,” though, escapes logic.
When isn’t a 6th round pick wasted? Only when the guy makes it through camp before being cut?
Obviously, if Sulak’s already gone, he’s not nearly as good as Chaz is at their respective positions.
And…if Sulak’s a failure on Al’s part…then Chaz is an unquestioned success story, being drafted so late, right?
And who picked Chaz so late, because he saw something he liked? One Al Davis? Obviously the guy’s an over-the-hill hack, who has no idea what a real football player looks like.
Two sides to the coin, there, COW. But, if you want to align yourself with the tunnel-visioned (il)logic of the KK crowd, more power to you.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
I thought the off-season was pretty good. I’m optimistic about the young leadership on Offense. But………Al Davis is the wild card. You never know what he’s going to do, or why. Will his acting out kill any chances, or just make them tougher chances.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
http://www.allraiders.com/raiderimage.php?id=59572
-Just to cheer yall up.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
This is odd to waive any drafted player before camp, but definitely nothing to sweat. Maybe — with Ellis signed and Burgess still around — they just saw that there were too many veterans ahead of him and the kid had no chance to stick so they did him a favor and let him go try to land a spot with another team. Maybe he did something to aggravate the coaches or team. Could be a number of good explanations for this.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:13 pm
http://omg.yahoo.com/news/jessica-simpson-dumped-by-tony-romo/25140?nc
July 13th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Yeah, but this is Al Davis of today.
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w205/bradcymru/aldavis.jpg
July 13th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
The fact is the guy is not good enough to make the team, some evaluation! The senile old goat needs to do a better job in evaluating players in the draft, he can’t rely on washed up veterans that come in here and get one last pay check. Every pick is important especially if you have been losing as much as this organization! The ship has sunk and the only salvation will be is when that F U C K I N OLD SENILE GOAT DIES!
So pray for a new owner.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
Lady Raccoon, I do give you credit for getting the guts to log back onto the blog. Krappy somehow does it everyday and I’m always blown away.
Although I’m not sure i trust you after you hid all day in your parent’s house while I was cruising around South Sacramento. I’m guessing you were cuddled up in bed reading the Outsiders and imagining you’re as tough and mean as Ponyboy Curtis.
Anyway, it was fun owning you then, and it’ll be fun owning you for months to come until you switch over to the Bengals blog. Don’t worry, as tough a chick as you think you are, you’ll eventually do whatever I say. Got it, honey?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
The difference is simple – you drafted a guy and didn’t bother to sign him or put him in pads. There is NOTHING in no-contact drills at OTA that would make you cut a LINEMAN.
Think about it. If he doesn’t pan out that’s how it goes. What you guys are not getting is that you don’t draft a guy and then undraft him without a try-out. That is a WASTED pick. All picks carry risk but this pick was wasted – period. And yes it could have been used to get a keeper guy.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
And maybe, just maybe, there’s something NOT football-related to this story (which is still unconfirmed) that will become clearer as we move along.
Skylar Sulak may or may not be good enough for a roster spot…with the Raiders or any other team. He MAY be good enough, that’s all.
If a player –any player — is out-classed/out-played during OTA’s (or camp)…at what point is it OK for the team to cut him?
Only after checking with KK and COW to verify it meets their approval!
Sulak could still prove to be a Hall Of Famer…but, maybe for now, a chill-pill is in order.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Burgess
Ellis
Scott
Gunheim
Jay Richardson
Matt Shaughnessy
Derrick Gray
Desmond Bryant (DE/DT)
It’s not like we’re going to keep 8 or 9 DEs anyway.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
– Davis also felt Walsh retired too soon, and said he tried to talk him out of it at the time.
“He made a mistake,” said Davis, who wants to start a college quarterback award named in Walsh’s honor. “Oh, he knew he did. I bawled him out. … I said, ‘What the … did you do that for?’ He didn’t need to retire. He still would have left a tremendous mark.”
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Never retire, Al…just to pi$$ off the KK’s and MR’s and LMN’s of the world!
Al Davis is the only real maverick in the NFL. Now OR back in the day.
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yeah Al please stay, we need more 5-6 win seasons…
July 13th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Ha ha, oh Lady Raccoon, I didn’t know you were not only obsessed with gossip, but – just like Krappy – also a cutter and paster of lame articles!
Please, dear, if you don’t mind, fill the rest of us in on the very latest with the Beckams, A-Rod and Madonna and Michael Jackson’s kids.
Great to know we have a silly little gossip hound around just in case!
July 13th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Radio 680am just reported that Quentin Moses was let go in error. Apparently Don Johnson, an assistant coach on the defensive line had submitted a prioritized list of players he wanted to keep. Moses was inadvertently left off the list. He then sent a separate email to a guy named Jeff Birren who works in administration. Birren thought Moses was to be added to the release list, so he added the name and faxed it in to league offices in New York. The error was not discovered until after the move was official. Accidents happen?
lol, ouch…can’t even Blame Al for that one.
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Moses wa apparently uncoachable and had a serious attitude problem. Miami signed him for alittle over league minimum ($460 k) Big deal…
July 13th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
74. Exactly. If he got cut maybe its because we’ve got depth competing for that slot and he’s not there yet.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Not that the Raiders can afford to limit their player options…but this is a case that simply illuminates the fact undrafted guys have as much chance to make the roster as late-round picks.
Why take a spot with a guy who’s already been vetted, if the guy’s obviously not right?
And…why NOT try a guy at different positions, if a GM sees him having a CHANCE in the NFL there? So what if it doesn’t work with a late pick? What about the chance it can?
You guys would’ve drafted Todd Christiansen and left him at FB, too.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Ok Chris – so then cutting him wasn’t a waste. Drafting him was.
Burgess and Ellis are pass rush specialists on their last legs. Richardson and Scott have yet to impress coaches which is why the team brought in all those guys.
BTW – They talked of moving him to SLB. A position still up in the air.
Waiving him before camp is not a roster or cap issue. You like the guy enough to draft him but not enough to try him out in pads?
July 13th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
90210 Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
The fact is the guy is not good enough to make the team, some evaluation! The senile old goat needs to do a better job in evaluating players in the draft, he can’t rely on washed up veterans that come in here and get one last pay check. Every pick is important especially if you have been losing as much as this organization! The ship has sunk and the only salvation will be is when that F U C K I N OLD SENILE GOAT DIES!
So pray for a new owner.
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Yeah, I guess everyone else in the Leauge drafts 100% all the time. No draftees ever get cut…the FACT is, maybe theres so much depth at the spot he doesn’t have a chance and we don’t have the time or inclination to groom him, or maybe a medical issue came up or ….who knows? But its not neccisarily “bad drafting” you takes you’re chances and Davis drafts for “system fits” not BPA, kind of like KC did with thier 3rd overall this year…
Davis is as Davis does.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2009_pre_season
July 13th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Well, at least Stryker can now go on down to the San Fernando Valley, and start his film career.
We still have Slade Norris!!
July 13th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
To cut a draft pick before camp even gets started is unfortunate. Plus…Tom Cable said Sulak would be more of a linebacker than a defensive end.
Instead of going for these doggone tweener sets…they should have drafted Zach Follett…he actually played the SLB position in college and is familiar with the position.
Just sayin
July 13th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Not that the Raiders can afford to limit their player options…but this is a case that simply illuminates the fact undrafted guys have as much chance to make the roster as late-round picks.
Why take a spot with a guy who’s already been vetted, if the guy’s obviously not right?
And…why NOT try a guy at different positions, if a GM sees him having a CHANCE in the NFL there? So what if it doesn’t work with a late pick? What about the chance it can?
You guys would’ve drafted Todd Christiansen and left him at FB, too.
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Or left Hewritt Dixon at TE
July 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Davis is right and the Raiders can win doing it his way.
Wait and see…
July 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
B!tcHam come down to S. Sac so I can do you like Skip Thomas did Sammy White.
Until then, I will not respond to you.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
Good Lord, Lady Raccoon, I’m sure you’re desperate for sex but I’m not really down with you wanting to “do” me. I thought I would just kick your ass then enjoy some tasty chili cheese fries. I know you have a very loose grasp on the English language, but you understand the difference, right?
Anyway, I was hanging out in South Sac all day last week waiting for you come out of your parent’s house and you never did. So I’m not sure why you have your panties in a bunch.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
SnB the reason they go for these tweeners and conversions is Al’s ego. Al wants people to go on about what a genius he was for converting Todd Christensen so he rolls the dice time and again. Problem is for every one Todd C there are 20 Bings, Braytons, and so on.
Free Agency is the other factor. You had to develop anybody you could back then. Now you can grab a real LB in FA but Al doesn’t do it. He runs the team like it is pre-FA. When he does venture into FA it is often ugly.
July 13th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
# Nnamdi21 Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
Davis is right and the Raiders can win doing it his way.
Wait and see…
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absolutely the raiders WILL win, but the question is if we are satisfied with only a handful of wins..
July 13th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Lady Raccoon already raising the white flag – far to easy.
Until tomorrow, gentlemen and Krappy ….
July 13th, 2009 at 5:03 pm
Profootballtalk -
Raiders waive sixth-round pick
Posted by Mike Florio on July 13, 2009 4:53 PM
The Oakland Raiders have found a new way to avoid holdouts by rookie draft picks.
The solution? Cut them.
A league source tells us that the Raiders have waived defensive end Stryker Sulak, a sixth-round pick in the 2009 draft.
The formal designation was “waived/unsigned.”
So, basically, the Raiders have cut Sulak before his rookie training camp. Said the source, “I’ve never seen that happen before.”
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I’ve never seen that happen before – This is NOT normal.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
COW,
My big problem is that this team has holes in it. They need more players that can get on the practice field and compete. Too many positions on the defense have nominal competition.
They needed more people to get in the mix at Linebacker, Defensive Tackle and Safety.
Stryker Sulak was a man drafted to play a position he wasn’t ready for. HOw else can one explain cutting the guy before pads.
I have no problem with picks getting cut in camp…but prior to camp…that’s a wasted draft pick for a team that really needs all the help it can find
July 13th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
I think when we picked up Ellis someone had to go. The one I don’t undertand is Keith Davis. Makes no sense to sign then release especially if he’s that good a friends with Ellis. Now how will Ellis react. Also does this mean Branch and Mitchell will be the starting safeties! I know quarterbacks facing us this year are licking their chops with that. I feel we need one veteran safety, but hell what do I know.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
COW, SnB, Guy’s this isn’t anything to do with what Mr Davis wants. All you have to do is look around the league to see that this is the day of the conversion players. During the combine if you were listening most defenses are using these type players. DC’s want players capable of DE/LB to give the defense different looks Rob-O did it and the Steelers are huge with it. It’s just the way they’re doing it now. NE has been very successful with it.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
what exactly is the problem for y’all 20/20 perfect vision armchair GMs? the majority of all draft choices for any team do not make the grade. hell, 50% of 1st round choinces don’t ever do anything of any note for any team, ever.
Stryker, coolest name of the bunch, gone. Shrug. And?
FAs? Some pan, some fail. Keith wrote his own ticket out of town. So what?
You pays your ticket you takes your chances. Rouge or noir?
Isn’t exactly as if either player would be the difference between a play-off berth or not.
Complain complain complain, I’ve news for y’all. There will be other cuts and changes before September. Imagine that!?!?!
July 13th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
COW
Six (6) winning seasons since the implementation of Free Agency in 1989.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
At least half of all draft picks are wastes on every team league-wide. And? So? I shake my head at anyone expecting otherwise. Sigh.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
If Ellis cries about it the we need to send his arse packing too. We don’t have time to screw around with whiners. Ellis is expendable, I think he has some pass rush left in the tank but he can be cut if we need to.
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# RaiderKen Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
I think when we picked up Ellis someone had to go. The one I don’t undertand is Keith Davis. Makes no sense to sign then release especially if he’s that good a friends with Ellis. Now how will Ellis react. Also does this mean Branch and Mitchell will be the starting safeties! I know quarterbacks facing us this year are licking their chops with that. I feel we need one veteran safety, but hell what do I know.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:13 pm
Priesttj,
My concern for the defense has to do with competition. Everyone raves about how having Jeff Garcia is soooooo great because of the competition that Russell supposedly needs.
Well what about the rest of these positions. There is little competition for Morrison, Kelly and Warren to realy worry about. The guys for SLB (Alston, Brown) are backupish type players. I would like to see some camp battles on the defense so when these guys show up out of shape, or missing gap assignments etc….there is someone there giving a CREDIBLE run for the position.
The Wide Receiver and OT battles are going to be fun to watch and make those positions better. Can we say that for the defense?
July 13th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
“Davis released,”
Oh, don’t tease us, Jerry!!!
July 13th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Post 91, if that’s the case then the blame needs to go on the scouting department (yes we have one believe it or not), they are responsible for recommending if a guy is suitable for a position change out of college.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Lol
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# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
“Davis released,”
Oh, don’t tease us, Jerry!!!
July 13th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
And Koolkell, friend, exactly how many SB championships or play-off berths have you coordinated in the past six years? 25 years? ever?
Be at peace and let the cards fall as they do.
The four Noble truths, the Eight-fold path, the Ten directions, the Dharma…remember…
July 13th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
DarthPirate Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Post 91, if that’s the case then the blame needs to go on the scouting department (yes we have one believe it or not), they are responsible for recommending if a guy is suitable for a position change out of college.
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Scouting Dept? lmao.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
# KoolKell Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
COW
Six (6) winning seasons since the implementation of Free Agency in 1989.
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That’s probably the worst in football, sans maybe one or two teams. And, when you consider that Al Davis has been the defacto GM for us all of that time, with other teams perhaps worse than us having had several GM’s, it’s just more evidence that Al Davis might be the worst general manager in the post free agency professional sports industry.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Coach on Wheels Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
jhill -
Waive a 6th round pick becausde it is camp fodder? Wow. What round was Trevor Scott drafted in? Chazz?
The hypocrites are hilarious. Every undrafted schmuck is going to solve our problems at run D but waive a 6th rd pick BEFORE YOU EVER SEE HIM IN PADS and it is no biggie.
You must not think much of Russell’s passing camp. The WRs were a 4th rder and undrafted guys – you know, camp fodder.
Every off season this team does some uniquely stupid thing(s) and the kool aid crowd tries to spin it. Same results come Sunday…
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You’re all over the place with this. Not quite sure why you have this addressed to me.
Did I say waive him BECAUSE he is camp fodder? Or did I say that he was waived because we signed Ellis and kept Burgess? I’m not even sure what your point is when you bring in Chaz and Trevor Scott. The guy wasn’t waived b/c he was a 6th rd pick. The guy was waived after the coaches saw him close up and decided that he wouldn’t have a chance in hell of making the squad. It’s not that hard man, dam!
When did anyone EVER say this dude was going help the run D? WTH are youtalking about?
Rusell’s passing camp? Again, I say all over the map man! Not sure what that has to do with Sulak not being good enough to rise up past 8th on the DE chart.
But whatever!
July 13th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
M Lonetree,
Cutting draft picks before camp starts…less some off the field transgressions…is very rare. So much time is put into the draft process…the Raiders had Sulak rated higher than the blocking tight end they had to trade up for.
Wasted picks are wasted picks. Each pick is an opportunity to get a player that can contribute. With Sulak being cut…that’s one less opportunity for a team that needs help.
No one is saying Sulak was some big deal. Heck, I scratched my head when they picked him. Its about the loss of another player to provide some competition to a defense living a country club lifestyle
July 13th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
And…if Sulak’s a failure on Al’s part…then Chaz is an unquestioned success story, being drafted so late, right?
And who picked Chaz so late, because he saw something he liked? One Al Davis? Obviously the guy’s an over-the-hill hack, who has no idea what a real football player looks like.
Two sides to the coin, there, COW. But, if you want to align yourself with the tunnel-visioned (il)logic of the KK crowd, more power to you.
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Outstanding!
July 13th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
priesttj Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
“All you have to do is look around the league to see that this is the day of the conversion players.”
LOL!! Whaaaat??? You don’t even know what you just said.
And what is an Al Davis loyalist doing telling people what’s going on in the NFL today? Your idol has tanked 6 years straight. What’s going in the NFL today is whatever Al Davis is NOT doing. That’s what’s evident.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
The name Raheem Brock comes to mind…
July 13th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
SnB, for once get a clue man. The competition is for the coaches to figure out. How do you know what happening in camp? What makes you think you are soo right about this?
Have you seen any of the practices? or film of a practice. You’re making statements as if you’re there with them.
They know what they are looking for we don’t.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
As far conversion players are concerned look at the two DE/LB the Steelers have mid rndrs making good. Same as T Scott comes in and blows the coaches away he was a project they hit on hopfully one of these other kids will do the same.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
Priest, you’re a Davis worshiper and you’re telling others to get a clue!!! Ha ha ha ha ha! That’s hilarious.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
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July 13th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
M Lonetree Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
And Koolkell, friend, exactly how many SB championships or play-off berths have you coordinated in the past six years? 25 years? ever?
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So I haven’t coordinated any Playoff runs lately.
Is that the standard for Al Davis, to keep up with me?
July 13th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
priesttj Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
SnB, for once get a clue man. The competition is for the coaches to figure out. How do you know what happening in camp? What makes you think you are soo right about this?
Have you seen any of the practices? or film of a practice. You’re making statements as if you’re there with them.
They know what they are looking for we don’t
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I have quite a few clues.
Clue #1: DTs played poorly last year. Players historically not even showing up in shape. Competition: Practice squad guy from Washington, a Harvard UFA, a 1st rd bust from the Giants…..
Clue #2: LBs criticized for fundamentals, missed tackles etc. Ask JHill about this one…Competition: a Fla Atlantic UFA, special teamers Brown & Alston and a UFA converted TE from Boise State…
Clue #3: Four safeties on the roster (Huff, Eugene, Branch and Mitchell)….oh Darrick Brown….
July 13th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
preist, your point on conversion players is well taken. But we’re at the 101 level. Pittsburgh’s use of conversion players is a little bit advanced for Raider discussion. They’re the Steelers. The Super Bowl champions. We’re the Raiders, JaMarcus Russell is our starting quarterback, and Al Davis is our owner. We need to figure out how to win more than 5 games per year before we start adding conversion players to the mix.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
lol@Hayes actually wanting Idiot Al to never retire. You must really hate this team.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:39 pm
SnB, the coaches are OK with it. You complain all you want but I think I’m going t give the professionals a chance to prove they know what they’re doing.
You say there is no competition. I say you don’t know what the hell you’re talking about. Until you show me that you know better than they doputting a defense together I’m sorry I’,m going to roll with the pros………….period
July 13th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
priesttj Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
As far conversion players are concerned look at the two DE/LB the Steelers have mid rndrs making good. Same as T Scott comes in and blows the coaches away he was a project they hit on hopfully one of these other kids will do the same.
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That’s why its so disappointing to see Sulak get cut before camp. That’s one less opportunity to discovera talented player.
They cut a lineman before the pads and contact could begin. That’s a wasted pick
July 13th, 2009 at 5:42 pm
Jhill…
“The guy was waived after the coaches saw him close up and decided that he wouldn’t have a chance in hell of making the squad. It’s not that hard man, dam!
When did anyone EVER say this dude was going help the run D? WTH are youtalking about?”
why did they pick him then???? and COW is all over the map??? all those players the kool-aid crowd is preaching to save our asses are 6th rounder or even un-drafted.. thats not all over the map is it??
July 13th, 2009 at 5:43 pm
SNB
Don’t forget Priestj, this time last year, was chastising us for believing “media haters” about the Davis/Kiffin fued.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:48 pm
SnB they saw what they wanted to see as far as him fitting their scheme. I’m not going to question something I know nothing about.
You guy’s love to react to every little hint of something ayt every single turn. A 6th rnd pick gets cut. Oh my God!!! what’s happening they’re going crazy over there.
Get a grip!! They saw whatever it was they wanted to see if they are wrong it’s their fault. But they made a decision. WHO KNOWS WHY but they did……….so now what? PANIC!!!
PANIC!!! PANIC!!! over a 6th rnd pick
July 13th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
# KoolKell Says:
COW
Six (6) winning seasons since the implementation of Free Agency in 1989.
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That’s probably the worst in football, sans maybe one or two teams. And, when you consider that Al Davis has been the defacto GM for us all of that time, with other teams perhaps worse than us having had several GM’s, it’s just more evidence that Al Davis might be the worst general manager in the post free agency professional sports industry.
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Umm, actually math wizzes…
Without going back AGAIN to show you the stats…
Wasn’t it established FACT that the Raiders since ‘89 have had only those measly 6-Winning seasons, but they also had four others of 8-8?
If so, that means they were .500 or better over the 20-year span you not-so-arbitrarily point to.
Since the MAJORITY OF NFL TEAMS WERE BELOW .500 OVER THE SAME TIME FRAME…
Wouldn’t that make the team (AND AL) at least above average for that period of time?
You guys throw out dates that knock your own arguments!
Even if you went to just the past 10-years of “misery”… the Raiders’ Playoffs/AFC CH GAMES/SUPER BOWL appearance DWARF 2/3’s of the NFL.
You guys can’t even find a 10-year period in the history of Al’s Raiders, where the majority of the NFL could boast better records and Playoff runs than the Raiders.
The Raiders don’t always make a run…but they can be counted on to make a run fairly consistently.
THAT is how you measure the career of a GM — not in micro segments.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
KK, and it was my opinion same as this, if you want to panic over a 6th rnd pick. by all means do it!!
July 13th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
HD37, let ‘em go man KK is an “Oh! woe is me” type.
He’s going to look at everything as Mr Davis is up to something.
Stryker Zulak is gone and the season is lost.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
“You guys can’t even find a 10-year period in the history of Al’s Raiders, where the majority of the NFL could boast better records and Playoff runs than the Raiders.
The Raiders don’t always make a run…but they can be counted on to make a run fairly consistently”.
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Dazey, you’re a damned liar.
July 13th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
KK, and it was my opinion same as this, if you want to panic over a 6th rnd pick. by all means do it!!
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I’m not panicked. I just wanted to warn SnB to take your statements with a grain of salt.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
SnB as far as the DT’s playing poorly, I disagree that’s YOUR selfserving opinion.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
Where’s the lie, KK…Mr. Hyperbole?
You have no arguments when stats get in the way, KK.
So, you call names and expect people to respect your lack of imagination for thoughtful debate.
Find some stats, KK, then call me a liar. Until then, you’re looking pretty weak….
July 13th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
# The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
“Davis released,”
Oh, don’t tease us, Jerry!!!
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I laughed.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
I guess I find it interesting that teams with far better defenses than the Raiders elected to add DTs and run stopping LBs in the draft.
I kinda scratch my “clueless” head when I see the (Steelers) number 2 ranked run defense draft 2 DTs including one in the 1st round
Or a guy like Bill Belicheck TRADE UP to get Ron Brace when they already have Vince Wilfork and take another DT with a later pick
The Vikings taking a Middle Linebacker with their #1 run defense or the Packers going all out for Raji and Matthews Jr…
Or the Colts …drafting two DTs in Fili Miola and Terrance Taylor…Falcons drafting 2 DTs (using a 1st rdr)
Or the Chargers adding a DT in the 4th round or Tennessee….
Or Washington with an 8th ranked run defenses going heavy for Haynesworth….
Of course Priest, you are right (I HOPE YOU ARE RIGHT) our 31st run defense is probably too much to do about nothing. The coaches are the pros and should be given the chance to put the team together.
But in the meantime, I will offer questions and constructive criticism…and praise as I see it.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
“You guys can’t even find a 10-year period in the history of Al’s Raiders, where the majority of the NFL could boast better records and Playoff runs than the Raiders.”
ding dong, most teams don’t go to the playoffs so of course the majority of teams will not have more playoff visits. As far as better records? Maybe not a 10 year period but I can sure think of a 6 year period…
July 13th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Hey, KK — How many teams can boast .500 or better records in the NFL at least 10-times since 1989?
The Raiders can.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
Free Agency in the NFL started in 1989 with Plan B. It marked a new way of operation for NFL teams.
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The flowwing is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 13th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Well said, HayesDaze, but it won’t matter to those who equate Al with with any and all transgressions known to woman and man.
Must be an odd life to see the Bogey man, Al, behind every bush, every choice, every player, every play, every moment. Every formation, every call, every decision, every alignment.
I suppose that, in their odd wisdom, the Raiders will never lose another game when Al is no longer the managing general partner.
Wow. Illusions are something to behold.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
As he should yours
July 13th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
Priestth,
BTW, I am a Raider fan for your information. When a team finishes 5-11…with poor production on both sides of the ball….questions should be raised and discussion had.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
Exactly, MR — Thanks for losing your own argument for you (and KK)…like usual:
HayesDaze37 says:
“You guys can’t even find a 10-year period in the history of Al’s Raiders, where the majority of the NFL could boast better records and Playoff runs than the Raiders.”
MR says:
ding dong, most teams don’t go to the playoffs so of course the majority of teams will not have more playoff visits. As far as better records? Maybe not a 10 year period but I can sure think of a 6 year period…
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Those are great examples of how you and KK change the dates to fit your needs! And you STILL lose your own argument!!
“Of course, the majority of teams will not have more Playoff visits.”
UMMMM…WTF??? According to you guys, we don’t get to the Playoffs ENOUGH!
“Maybe not a 10-year period, but I can sure think of a 6-year period.”
Why 6-years? Why not just the last month of last season? Or just the last game?
Ohh, that’s right…those “arbitrary” dates wouldn’t support your arguments. Those damned facts again!
July 13th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
priesttj Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
SnB as far as the DT’s playing poorly, I disagree that’s YOUR selfserving opinion.
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Selfserving is a little much for a football blog.
Anyway. Do you see any positions on this roster that are in need for an upgrade? Or is this squad all set for a playoff/super bowl run?
July 13th, 2009 at 6:16 pm
SnB, you don’t question and discuss you state things as fact. As you did about Raji fixing the defense.
WE ALLL HAVE questions and want to discuss. But when you say Al Davis is doing this or that you’re saying it as if you know. He doesn’t care about a physical defense he only cares about passing defense. Stuff like that.
When did he tell you that?
IMO these players suit the kind of defense Marshall designed in Seattle. A lot of conversion guy’s. I’m not sure what they’re trying to do but it looks as if they’re trying b iuld a hybrid defense to me. We’ve never done here to my knowledge. Ryan tried to d something like this and was unsuccessful.
Let’s see how Mashalll does with it.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
MR — You should’ve asked KK if he had any Ebonics books you could borrow (you know — the books that saved the Oakland schools after that villain Al destroyed the city)…maybe you’d comprehend the written language a little better.
What’s that?? You already borrowed them — that’s why you guys seem to (mis)comprehend at the same level?
Curiouser and curiouser…
July 13th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
I see a lot of needs that I would’ve done but they didn’t do them. So I figure maybe my theory was wrong.
I would never have drafted DHB I wwanted Andre Smith but when Monroe was there I would’ve taken him. Last year I would never have taken DMC and everyne knows that. I still feel that way. But they took him he’s a great talent. So we’ll see
July 13th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
These Numbers are Fact! Check em yourself http://www.pro-football-reference.com
Free Agency in the NFL started in 1989 with Plan B. It marked a new way of operation for NFL teams.
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The following is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 13th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
MR — You should’ve asked KK if he had any Ebonics books you could borrow
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HayesDaze I used to respect you. Even though we disagreed. Now, what a scumbag piece of shyt.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
I don’t know why you Davis Apologizers can’t make your points, and have to rely on personal attacks. It’s not about ME.
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n the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The following is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 13th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
I wanted Monroe, but I can live with DHB.
Last year I wanted The OSU kid, but I love the DMC pick!!
July 13th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
The 1st RD picks that I’m not happy with:
1- Ricky DUDLY
2- Robert Gallery
3- F Washington
July 13th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
Davis release tells me that we like our young Ss.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
HayesDaze
I’m done with you. Don’t bother responding.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:41 pm
LMAO
July 13th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
It appears that way right now Raider O, but he was basically a teams guy anyway right? They really haven’ seen much of Mitchell yet…..but they will. lol
I can’t wait to see camp notes. That kid is going to keep it interesting.
SnB is just too football smart to say some of the stuff he says. I think he let’s his emotions get in the way too much. The coaches are all about competition they have to be to field a competitive team. But when they see what they want to see, I have no problem with them making some decisions once they feel they know.
Marshall hands are full, but he’s a veteran coach who’s got his own ideas. He knows what he’s looking for. So we’ll seee.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
“SnB is just too football smart to say some of the stuff he says. I think he let’s his emotions get in the way too much”.
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Any your emotional ties to Al Davis NEVER color YOUR anaylsis?
July 13th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
KK — You are ALMOST the easiest debate on the forum…mainly because you lack imagination in your argument. Your single, one-note argument…that you let pin you down all the time.
At least MR got tired of being connected to your silly 1989 argument, and left as soon as your “stats” were shot down by more stats that showed the whole story of the 20-year span.
Almost the easiest to debate, only because you coninue to dig your own holes with your poorly-though strategy for attacking people who actually do a little research.
Since 1989…How many Playoff runs? How many AFC Championship games again? How many Super Bowls?
And, how many teams can say they’ve done those things again?
1989 is the date YOU chose, KK — and if you answer the questions I just posed, you’d lose your own argument again.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
RaiderDogg, you’re right man, people are bored as hell and out of weed apparently.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
SnB is just too football smart to say some of the stuff he says. I think he let’s his emotions get in the way too much
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And your emotional ties to Al Davis NEVER color YOUR anaylsis?
July 13th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
DarthPirate Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 6:47 pm
RaiderDogg, you’re right man, people are bored as hell and out of weed apparently.”
Good sheet man
July 13th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
HD37, that’s too funnny man. For a guy who’s always finding fault with everyone else’s comments KK says a lot of crap. Especially about you, me and Oakglenn. If we don’t HATE Mr. Davis we’re his apologist. Well I’d much rather be a Davis apologist than someone who has enjoyed the fruits of the man’s labors and when things don’t go their way the stab him in the back.
If the Raiders win again then what will he say after he’s said all this crap about him being inept. Oh! he’s been reborn or some crap.
Fickle turncoat
July 13th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
I’m watching the home run derby, doing a crossword puzzle, and debating KK at the same time!
And, I’m not out of mind-altering substances by any means.
The chase-that-tail “debate” is just too easy!
July 13th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
I’ll let you be the apologist BHP — I’ll be happy to be his #1 loyalist, who’s unafraid to admit the truth about Al, good or bad.
At least I’m a fan.
July 13th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
Life is too short to always be squabbling over stupid sh1t.
To each his own I guess.
RAIDERS!
July 13th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
BHP,
I never liked the idea of letting Moses go, and this today is ODD.
Why cut him now?? I can’t see the value in doing that!
Can you think of any reason to cut him now?
About the young Ss: I think they like Branch a lot, and MM has camp and preseason to show what he can do.
Also,
Is that a sign that Huff is playing well, or do they like Nixon?
July 13th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Good night and good luck…
July 13th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
KK, that’s why I said what I said SnB gets my respect because I know he knows football. But we all get stuck on stupid occasionally.
I have tremendous respect for Mr Davis and always will becaus of his accomplishments. More than most could do in 10 lifetimes. He’s right there with Lombardi, Gilman and Papa Bear Halas. Read Cam Inman’s article admitting as much and Cam is a certified Davis hater. There is not much he can do to tarnish such a legacy. It’s unquestioned.
July 13th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
I’ll let Al Davis worry about his own legacy. As a fan, all I care about is winning. And it’s not happening!
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The following is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 13th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Raider O, If I were to venture a guess I’d say he turned the coaches off with his attitude. Just a guess tho. Also sometimes I’ve seen guy’s get to this level and feel they can’t cut it and bow out. As strange as that sounds it happens often enough.
But it will come out in a few days I would think.
Isn’t that Jerry’s job to find out?
July 13th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Posted by Aaron Wilson on July 13, 2009 7:45 PM
Following the Oakland Raiders’ surprising decision to cut ties with sixth-round rookie defensive end Stryker Sulak, which Mike Florio reported earlier today, a source close to the situation tells us that the team gave no reason for the decision to release him.
Per our source, Sulak hasn’t been in any kind of trouble that would have prompted this abrupt removal from the roster.
In fact, Sulak and his agent haven’t been contacted by the Raiders at this point.
“Shocked is the best way to put it,” the source said. “This is a good kid who plays football, hunts and fishes. This is very dysfunctional. I’m shocked that they didn’t even call him to let him know or call his agent.
“It sounded like the minicamps went well and that he would have a chance to make the club. Of course, signing Greg Ellis might have made it tougher for him to make it. He’ll go through the waiver system and see what happens.”
Our source said that he pressed Sulak about whether he had been in any sort of trouble and Sulak steadfastly denied any kind of off-field problems.
“He has just been back home working out and getting ready for camp,” our source said. “He had just received a letter inviting him to come to camp. It’s a brutal business, and it’s a shame that they wouldn’t give him a legitimate chance to compete and try to make the team.”
July 13th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
This is mysterious, I wonder what the real story is.
It’s a very tough business. If you’re a marginal talent you have to stand out somehow. I guess he didn’t. Tough, all you can do is keep working and hope you catch on somewhere else. Also it appears someone leaked the story early before the team had a chance to reached him. That sucks!
July 13th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
If story wasn’t about the Raiders it probably wouldn’t be news. Wake me when camp starts. zzzzzzzzzzz
July 13th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
And so the NFL’s running punch line rolls on. LOL! Bravo Al, bravo.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Does anyone know who Raheem Brock is?
July 13th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Your on a computer, GOOGLE it. Hes a DL for the Colts.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
# RaiderDogg Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Does anyone know who Raheem Brock is?
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yeah, seems to me Stryker has the same fate as him… he was picked late by philly and cut before he was signed due to cap-problems, picked up by indy… only a situationally player, but as i remember rahter good on ST…
July 13th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
well see y’all, take care…
my substitution just came, I’ll walk home in the sunrise, enjoy the birds singng and yearn for my bed… =)
July 13th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Lynn From Snot Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
If story wasn’t about the Raiders it probably wouldn’t be news. Wake me when camp starts. zzzzzzzzzzz
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I think this would be news in any NFL City of that Team.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Most of the fans here were begging Al to trade down for more picks. He throws one away, and it’s no big deal?
July 13th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Just another clown who loves to use the “hater” word anytime a story is written. Cuz the media HATES the Raiders! LOL!!!!!!!!!!
July 13th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Very strange, bizarre move but we should all be accustomed to this by now. Sulak was drafted in the 6th round and I was under the impression that he was going to be competing for a starting job. Guess he didnt run the 40 fast enough for Al.
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July 13th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
Not to mention they had Sulak headed to Canton in about 15 years.
July 13th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
priesttj Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
KK, that’s why I said what I said SnB gets my respect because I know he knows football. But we all get stuck on stupid occasionally.
You’ve been stuck in that rut for a long time buttholeprik
July 13th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Dude Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Your on a computer, GOOGLE it. Hes a DL for the Colts.”
Dude,
Are you familiar with the term “Rhetorical Question”? It appears that you are the one that should have Google’d Raheem Brock, then you would have been able to figure out the true nature of my “question”, assuming that you are capable of such things.
Of course I know who Raheem Brock is, do you?
July 13th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
# RaiderDogg Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Does anyone know who Raheem Brock is?
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yeah, seems to me Stryker has the same fate as him… he was picked late by philly and cut before he was signed due to cap-problems, picked up by indy… only a situationally player, but as i remember rahter good on ST…”
At least LMN is paying attention, good to know someone is.
My point is the very same thing happened to Raheem Brock with the Eagles yet it was never considered newsworthy. The Raiders do the same thing and it makes national headlines.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Enlighten me tough guy… considering I just told you who he was.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Right over your head
July 13th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Are you going to tell me you remember what was in the news 8 years ago? Please! What a reach. PFT wasnt even around 8 years ago. Quit your freakn whining about how everybody hates the Raiders, you sound like a bitch.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:05 pm
The only one reaching is you, for a clue. Keep reaching bro, you’ll get it. Or not.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
Oh, I get it. Your whining how its only a story cause its the Raiders and EVERYONE is jumping on the Raider hater bandwagon. Right or wrong?
July 13th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Dude Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
“Are you going to tell me you remember what was in the news 8 years ago?”
* years from now people will be saying the same thing about Stryker right? Thanks for inadvertantly helping me prove my point. The point you OBVIOUSLY DO NOT GET!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
When you argue with a fool you appear to be one yourself.
Good luck bro.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
If your point is nobody will remember it in 8 years, then all I can say to that is thanks for the newsflash Brokaw. Keep ignoring the fact that its a bush league move by a senile egomaniac who flushes more draft picks down the toilet than any owner in the league.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
My point is the very same thing happened to Raheem Brock with the Eagles yet it was never considered newsworthy.
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If it wasn’t newsworthy, how did you find out about it?
July 13th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
The Raiders do the same thing and it makes national headlines.
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Maybe because the Raiders have an active NFL Record losing streak going on.
When that happens you get questioned, no?
July 13th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
And where were the “national headlines”??
PFT reports EVERY transaction for EVERY team no matter how small it might be. Hell they were reporting when teams signed 5 or 6th round picks for christ sakes.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
No way in hell there is a bigger bunch of bitch fans in the NFL than Al Davis fans.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
It’s sad that we had to cut him before camp, but let’s not forget he was a late 6th RD pick!!
What’s the issue??
Late 6th RD pick!!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
O,
You find no fault in cutting a draft pick before he even has a chance to put pads on? You find no fault in not even calling the kid to tell him? You find no fault in flushing a draft pick down the toilet?
July 13th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Its not a big deal when your a team chuck full of talent like the Dallas Cowboys but when your a 5 win team you cant afford to make even small mistakes.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
We do have Ellis ( who We signed after the draft), Burgess, Scott, Jay, Gunheim, Gray, and Bryant.
Maybe we knew the kid wasn’t going to make the team, so we cut him early to find another team.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Al Davis has been spinning the “I am the Raiders” story for so long, that some people could care less about winning. Only mollifying Al Davis’ ego.
And I’m sure the Facility is full of those people.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
I didn’t say I liked it!! Just that it’s not that big of an issue IMO.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Its not that big an issue. Wouldnt be an issue at all if it was the ONLY issue. Al Davis has been stacking little issue on top of little issues for a long time now.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Since when do you guys expect a 6th RD pick to make the roster?!
Scott and Chaz are the exception, and not the norm!
July 13th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Well, whoever appraised the needs of the team, and the Kid, got it so wrong, that the pick is not even invited to training camp. It’s a wasted pick. Which could have been used on another position, to at least provide a little competition.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Dude,
I understand!! Makes sense.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
The fact that you cant admit it was at the very least an amateur hour move makes you look silly.
July 13th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Sometimes I wish the GM would trust himself…. picture Greg Pappa saying something similar to this the past 13 years….
“Brees in the I.. drops back and hands to Tomilinson… rushes right and he’s STUFFED by Glover for a loss of 3… I’ll tell you what Tom… as long as Big La’Roi is manning the middle, you might as well not even bother coming in there”
we all know how the GM feels about DL’s and how they are replacable… not saying Sulak is gonna be anywhere near La’Roi Glover… but if he’s quentin Moses, then we’ll feel like smart (even though quentin has seen the playoffs…
July 13th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Dude,
205, was that directed to me?
July 13th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Al Davis is a bad man
AL Davis is a bad man, why can’t we win?
Al Davis wont let us win waah waah waah waah, I hate Al Davis he a special 6th rnd pick, and we wont win waah waah wah!
whinning and cryin’ whinning and cryin’ about the mean ol’ Al Davis
July 13th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
The sun will come up tomorrow and the Raiders wil field a team. Maybe not with 6th rnd pick but ateam nonetheless. I’m not real sure if we can win without him but we’ll give he old college try.
Eventhough we have all these other players that 6th rnd pick was special and we blew it. Can someone help us please?
July 13th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
How much did that 6th rnd pick cost us, we have to fiscally sound in this economy and that was a waste of money heads will roll for this.
He could’ve been a contender
He could’ve made the difference in a SB run, he should been………..can we get Obama on the phone?
This will cost someone their job. Can we get a stimulus package behind this?
Someone MUST PAY!!
July 13th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
No one is perfect especially when yu talk the draft but they have been pretty good lately. I’m not sure how this year will pan out but we’ll soon see how many draft picks survive cuts. IMO there will be a couple of RFA that will make the practice squad. I can’t remember their names but 2or 3 really intriging picks I’d like to see get good looks.
But everything will play out and we’ll see some tough cuts as we get attached to certain players during preseason games. And we’ll argue about that as well. So soon we’ll be able to say let the games begin.
I can’t wait!!
July 13th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Some people don’t know any better so they have an excuse. The ones that do know better that have seen Mr Davis douring his career and have witnessed pure genius and now during the tough times mock him and criticise one of the true Giants of this sport IMO are repulsive.
To whom much is given much is expected. The others wouldn’t know a thing about him attack because they don’t know better. The ones that know when we win and you start to deny him credit it will speak volumns as to your character and integrity. You will have no excuse.
So you can call the rest of names and ridicule us all you want but supporting Mr Davis now when he’s down will give me even more gratification later.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
I’m watching one of the great careers in the history of sports wind down to it’s final hours feeling extremely grateful that I witnessed the entire career. It was stupendous a tremendous ride with some of the greatest moments in sports history and the greatest players.
He was really one of a kind a true innovator and had several ground breaking moments. He did it his way and damn the torpidos he attacked with vengence. If you crossed him you paid dearly. If you were a companion there was no better friend.
As you can see I’m going to miss this old man. There’s only one man I can think of that his careeer was similar to Al Davis and that’s Miles Davis. True brilliance innovation and played with the greatest musicians in the history of the world. I felt the same way when he was starting to come to his end. Feeling very grateful that I saw met and enjoyed a large part of his career.
Adios!
July 13th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
There really doesn’t seem to be much thought put into these picks if they can easily cut them or maybe it was a pick Davis didn’t agree with to begin with but it doesn’t make any sense not to give the guy a chance compete in pre-season. Crazy!
July 13th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Maybe so 24, but it is what it is. We don’t know. But to say there’s not much thought in these picks is wrong for lack of a better word.
The draft is a crap shoot of sorts when you get these kids to camp and you see what they are madw of and if it was what you thought he was. Sometimes it becomes apparent early on they’re not what you’re looking for.
In 3 weeks they have to house these players in n expensive hotel in Napa. If you’re clear that a certain player is not going to make and you want to take a look at someone else. What sens e does it make to bring them in. Let them look for another team and keep it moving. That’s how I see it but wh knows.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:43 pm
Priesttj – That may be true but we let La’Roi Glover walk awhile back and he turned out to be a Pro Bowl player for many years. You can’t predict that for anybody but I just think they cut the cord too soon. I think you have to value these picks a little bit more. This is the NFL and it takes more than 3 weeks for these guys to adjust, just like it usually takes 3 years for WR’s and up to 5 years for QB’s to develop. I mean…3 weeks of camp? Why not watch him play some games? Not everyone practices great but they play great in games.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
I agree but we aren’t there There may be some one else they like better you only get 80 players and decisions have to be made in 3 weeks. If we knew why they did it it would probably make perfect sense but we’re not privy to that info. So we have to wait.
I try to use deductive reasoning to come up with an answer but it’s just a guess. But I know it is a #’s game and they only do this if they’re certain.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
Not only that but all that work by the scouts and we easily waste it away.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
My only reasoning is maybe he had a bad attitude or was a problem in the locker room. Maybe the guy was stupid and just didn’t get it? Those things are logical ideas that we don’t see.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Goodnight.
July 13th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
I think your getting a little dramatic about it. We just don’t know the detailsas I said there culd be rookie FA who’s really impressed them and it came down to one of them Sulak lost. When T Scott came to camp last year I gaurantee yu they didn’t think he was going to be what showed. It happens all the time.
T Scott got a couple of good players cut. T Kelly did the same thing as did Rickey Brown. You have to go with the player you feel might be a better fit.
July 14th, 2009 at 12:59 am
At least Louis Murphy is in Alabama getting his timing down with JR. I think DHB is going to be a bust whereas Murphy will be the next Colston, who people cannot stop talking about, and the best receiver wearing the silver and black since number 81, IMO!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:15 am
Funny how priesttj says SNB always states things as facts and then goes on to say,
“The coaches are all about competition they have to be to field a competitive team.”
He must know something, right?
We’ve all got an opinion and I respect more the fan that doesn’t say everything the Raiders do is right and good for the team. We have sucked ass for far too long, doing things the same way. If not for Gruden and Gannon getting things going for a few years I’m pretty sure things would have been even worse.
That being said, I keep the faith at the beginning of the season, in hopes that by week four I’m not seeing another dreadful season unfolding.
Go Raiders!
July 14th, 2009 at 5:04 am
# Raider O Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Since when do you guys expect a 6th RD pick to make the roster?!
Scott and Chaz are the exception, and not the norm!
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but why pick him then? they must have seen something in him, why not let him show that? and if the suddenly now know he doesnt have what they want, why not pick another in 6th round..
this is just a great way to show how bad our organization is, nothing works… we are a typewriter in a computer-age…
July 14th, 2009 at 5:30 am
# Dude Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Enlighten me tough guy… considering I just told you who he was.
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most times i like you points not your stile… that said, you didnt tell anything, you said google it… clearly YOU didnt know who he was…
as you, I too didnt get that it was a rhetorical question, but RaiderDOGG had pointed out 37min before that this stryker thing looked like brock…
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# RaiderDogg Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 5:23 pm
The name Raheem Brock comes to mind…
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# RaiderDogg Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Does anyone know who Raheem Brock is?
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and then 15 min later my answer comes, so year Raiderdogg knows who he is, you seem not to… since you apparently had to google the guy =)
that said most often I like your points, just not your style…
July 14th, 2009 at 5:32 am
woaw…. quite a bit more than 37minutes LOL
July 14th, 2009 at 5:44 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
So much for Davis with all those comments about Garcia…
July 14th, 2009 at 5:46 am
I still expect garcia to throw more daggers at jruss guy is straight backstabber and is no Kurt Warner in arm or class.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:47 am
typewriters work?!
July 14th, 2009 at 5:51 am
That is true, NMF. i do not buy into that he is willing to be a back up.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:03 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,HWNDR,NOMOREFARGAS, L M N ,WHAT IS GARCIA UP TO NOW ?I BEEN OUT OF TOUCH ..
July 14th, 2009 at 6:08 am
Nothing, as of late, Dirt Lot. I was just remembering the interview with Davis when he said that “right now, Garcia gives us the better chance to win”…and now he’s gone. And NMF made a point about Garcia flying daggers at Russell…we’ll see soon guys what’s really going to happen…
July 14th, 2009 at 6:10 am
Morning Nation,
Passing Camp Works!!!!!!!!
Murphy 57 catches 790yrds 7TD
Hmmmmm…..Sulak Good luck brother we have a movment going on here and if you aint ready off the bus!! Hope you can catch on some where before camp starts!!! ^th round picks are valuable and every once and a while you find a gem but as stated many times 6th rounders are often camp fotter or PS guys! Hey at least we’re being economical right??? We have plenty of DE/OLB on our roster we will be fine!!!! Heres to a couple of wiley vets(DB/GE) to rack up some sacks from the DE spot!!!
Burgess to the PB 12 SACKS!!!!!!!!!!
PLAYOFF BOUND!!!
(support local cut safties who dont know how to keep their mouth shut)
July 14th, 2009 at 6:17 am
ONE THING U CAN NOT DO IS TELL THE TRUTH (ARGUABLY)IN THIS ORGANISATION, UNLESS YOUR AL DAVIS,OR MAYBE JIM OTTO..
July 14th, 2009 at 6:22 am
but why pick him then? they must have seen something in him, why not let him show that? and if the suddenly now know he doesnt have what they want, why not pick another in 6th round..
this is just a great way to show how bad our organization is, nothing works… we are a typewriter in a computer-age…
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Ok lets be logical here this has gone WAAAYYY to far.
First we have scouts and even if they are a puppet for davis they still can evaluate talent “speed”. That being said we draft in the 6th round for “late gems” usally for postion of need and as stated before above we drafted him when we thought Burgess would/could be gone and Ellis was still a Cowboy. Either way That being said we dnt know if this guy showed up late to team meetings or got a loan from some shark b/c he was now in “the nfl” and started to act like a young Javon “look at me” Walker we dnt know if when he got to napa and took a look around and didnt want to be there there are so many intangibles to even begin to evaluate…you can do all the scouting you want but untill you have the kid there in house to evaluate on a day to day level you truley never know he!! even first rounders some times dnt pan out b/c afore mentioned reasons!!! So is Al old yes Senile maybe/no, But does he want to win at all cost YES!!! DOES he want a ring before he passes YES Quit ALL the hating this is a man who’s chances paid off well in the past and we praised him now we stumble on some hard times and we shun him……seems spineless to me IMHO….If cutting a 6th rounder was the worst of the draft then IM ON BOARD nice work hats off to the Organization we went out on a limb with two Football Players in the first couple picks and picked up the Offenive Rookie of the Year in Murphy and all we have to worry about is cutting a 6th round pick!!! Good Work Uncle AL!!!
PLAYOFF BOUND!!!!!1
(support local owners)
P.S. Maybe he didnt like Southwick we all know that anybody not on board with Southwick is GONE just like Davis, Keith that is he should have been pushing for Southwick the whole time he still be here!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 6:32 am
IT IS LIKE THERE IS SOMETHING HAPPINING THAT HAS NOT COME PUBLIC YET WITH YHIS KID SULAK,MAYBE NOT, WE SHALL SEE. WHERE IS ROCKSTAR ?IS HIS PARTY / BAR-B-Q / DRINK-FEST STILL GOING ON ?
July 14th, 2009 at 6:33 am
good morning LMN, NMF, Hwnrdr, Dirt Lot, OAKlifer …
I see the AM crew is alive and well!
July 14th, 2009 at 6:35 am
OAKlifer…
it was a terrible draft, the picked TWO DE/OLBs we didnt need them. they didnt pick any DTs we need that badly, We needed OTs and didnt get any… and then they actually cut DE/OLB that we doesnt need, let me spell it for ya W-A-S-T-E!!! thats one thing, that they drafted and scouted very poorly, but now that they picked the guy, they wont even see what he got?? thats even worse…
July 14th, 2009 at 6:35 am
Maybe he didnt like Southwick we all know that anybody not on board with Southwick is GONE just like Davis, Keith that is he should have been pushing for Southwick the whole time he still be here!!!!
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LOL. exactly
July 14th, 2009 at 6:37 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 6:33 am
good morning LMN, NMF, Hwnrdr, Dirt Lot, OAKlifer …
I see the AM crew is alive and well!
Yup…but, has anyone see 4eva? Hope he’s doing well!
July 14th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Yiiiiiiiihhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaawwww
The raiders won the bowl…..sadly its just the EuroBowl… I wonder if the SWARCO Raiders would bat the Oakland Raiders… I guess they would…
July 14th, 2009 at 6:38 am
Hey Dirtlot, HwnRdr and RRS…
July 14th, 2009 at 6:39 am
cutting Sulak is only a problem if/when:
#1 he becomes a stud somewhere else
#2 Burgess/Ellis/Scott/Shaughnessy etc can’t get the job done
We are not going to keep a 5th DE on the 53 man roster unless Greyson Gunheim makes a big splash in training camp
Besides … the Sulak move hasn’t been made official (yet) Remember when the Raiders were “reportedly” going to cut Andrew Walter, Javon Walker, Derrick Burgess, Michael Huff, Terdell Sands and trade Michael Bush ??? all those players are still on the roster as of today!
July 14th, 2009 at 6:40 am
WHERE IS ROCKSTAR ?IS HIS PARTY / BAR-B-Q / DRINK-FEST STILL GOING ON ?
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right here Dirt Lot! the rootbeer keg was a hit
July 14th, 2009 at 6:41 am
Wow, what would happen in here if Al cut a FIFTH round draft pick???
lol
July 14th, 2009 at 6:42 am
Interesting to read the comments from the June 15th blog after Daivs made the comments that Garcia should start. Lots of people said he did nothing wrong. I said in Comment #2:
vegas raider Says:
June 15th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Keith Davis just bought his ticket out of town.
Chalk one up for me!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 6:43 am
Right now i’m laughing at all the clowns in here that tried to tell me we should cut Michael Huff because Keith Davis, Darrick Brown or Jerome Boyd would be more productive …
one down. two to go.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:44 am
Wow, what would happen in here if Al cut a FIFTH round draft pick???
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Luckily we didn’t have one. Otherwise the suicide rate in/around Oakland would triple for the month!
July 14th, 2009 at 6:46 am
Cutting a 6th round pick before Camp is a bit bizarre, but I imagine it is a way to save some money, maybe only 25K or so, and may just be a sign of the times.
I think once Ellis was signed and Burgess was not dealt, Styrker was as good as gone anyways. No sense in delaying the inevitable I guess. Still a tad bizarre, but what else would we expect!!
July 14th, 2009 at 6:46 am
let me spell it for ya W-A-S-T-E!!!…..
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Time will tell and I hope your wrong!
Morning Double R,
I love rootbeer you ever soaked pork in rootbeer for a few hours before you smoke it ….mmmmmmm its a bigger hit than the keg I promise!!!
(support the local HATERS)…..they need it
July 14th, 2009 at 6:46 am
DE Stryker Sulak :
Pick Analysis: Sulak had a lot of sacks in college and has a lot of speed. He is a hybrid-type player who lacks the size to play with his hand down full-time. He is a value pick and in the Raiders’ 3-4 scheme, he will probably play strong-side linebacker.
Overview
A three-time All-Big 12 honoree, Sulak has the production and burst upfield to generate interest from every NFL team. He shared freshman of the year honors with tight end Chase Coffman of the Tigers, starting the final seven games of that season for Missouri and finishing with 38 tackles, 6.5 tackles for loss and four sacks. Sulak’s production increased as he gained experience, topping out with eye-popping numbers as a senior — 55 tackles, 15.5 tackles for loss, 10.5 sacks and an NCAA-leading six forced fumbles. With opposing offenses focusing much of their attention upon Missouri’s other defenders, Sulak’s production was inflated. Without the bulk to remain at defensive end full time in the NFL, he’ll have to show he has the athleticism to make the transition to linebacker to avoid the “tweener” label.
High School
Standout defensive end at Rockdale High School who was a first-team all-state selection in 2003 by the Texas Sports Writers Association after leading his team with 83 tackles … Returned an interception 78 yards for a touchdown and also caught one touchdown and a 2-point conversion playing the tight end spot … Was his team’s 5th-leading tackler as a junior in 2002, with 70 total tackles … Earned first-team all-district mention as well as his team’s defensive MVP award that year … Solid all-around athlete who competed in baseball, basketball and track at Rockdale, and was a regional qualifier in the high jump in 2002 … High school coach was Casey Creghan.
Analysis
Positives: Good initial quickness off the snap. … Has some flexibility to get under the tackle and around the edge to close on the passer. … Good short-area burst to close effectively and can explode into the quarterback to create fumbles. … Good use of hands to rip the ball away from the ballcarrier. … At least adequate feel for the running game. … Good lateral quickness to scrape and stretch the play wide. … Can break down in space to make tackles in the open field.
Negatives: Classic “tweener” lacking the fluid hips to change direction and the straight-line speed for coverage. … Lacks the bulk and strength to hold up in the running game. … Too often loses sight of the ball by rushing vertically upfield, leaving gaping holes for the offense to exploit. … Has a naturally lanky build and may struggle to add considerable mass.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:47 am
Hey LMN…hopefully the Swarco Raiders could rub off on the Oakland Raiders…
Vegas…yup, I remember when you said that! Point for you!
July 14th, 2009 at 6:53 am
Defensive end/linebacker Stryker Sulak, the sixth-round pick and No. 199 overall, finished second in Missouri history with 22 1/2 sacks, but the stat that might intrigue the Raiders even more are his 14 forced fumbles, including six as a senior.
“It was hammered into us – get the ball, get the ball,” Sulak said at the NFL scouting combine.”Every time I got around the edge that was my first thought. The quarterback is sitting back there – where’s the ball? Does he have it up? Down? Where is it and can I get it?
“You try for the sack with one hand and you try to bring the other hand down as hard as you can. He’s not in the best position and not holding the ball as tight as he can. So you try to can-opener it out, get the ball out and try to get your offense on the field. If you get the ball out, it’s a sack and forced fumble. That looks really good on paper.”
July 14th, 2009 at 6:54 am
UNLESS THE KID JUST SLEEPWALKED THROUGH THE O.T.A.’S ..
July 14th, 2009 at 6:54 am
hopefully Sulak doesn’t get claimed off waivers by the Broncos, Chiefs or Chargers.
he might be a beast in thier 3-4 defense!
July 14th, 2009 at 6:56 am
Without seeing them in pads, it is difficult to reason with cutting a 6th round pick who was productive in college, even if they didn’t think he would make the final cut.
Assuming this was based SOLELY on performance, not off the field stuff to which we will probably never know if true, we better hope our DE’s stay healthy in camp.
With Davis gone, it almost assures that Huff will not get cut. Huff was a big part of ST late last year as well, and I thought Davis’ skills in that area might make Huff more expandable. That was before Davis opened his mouth. The Godfather strikes again!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 6:56 am
Vegas…
LOL, good for you, vegas one, the world nill…
vegas now you are at it, please look up what kool-aid crowd said of the Stryker Sulak pick after the draft =)
July 14th, 2009 at 7:02 am
please look up what kool-aid crowd said of the Stryker Sulak pick after the draft =)
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why look it up? You’ve got access to the Kool-Aid man himself – OAKlifer. I think I am part of the kool-aid crowd though, so I’m guessing somebody compared Sulak to Trevor Scott, Tyler Brayton or even (gulp) Howie Long!
July 14th, 2009 at 7:04 am
Good morning.
I tend to agree with LMN.
We did go a bit heavy on DE/OLB types in this draft.
It may have been driven by Burgess but one DT would have been nice out of this draft.
DT is a position of need on this team. Aside from the run defense issues and lack of face pressure this group seems to be out of shape.
On several occasions last season, Richardson was playing DT.
I know nothing about Boschetti but Sands is embarrassing. He is paid way too much for the number of snaps he plays, let alone the poor production.
I think we would have been better off with a young energetic guy who could at least stay in shape and play when needed.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:05 am
RRS…
exactly, and the same crowd now say its no biggy to let him go, before he even had shown what he could…
I hated the Shaugnessy pick, still do, I could live with the sulak pick, but man this draft sucks… thank god for murphy!
July 14th, 2009 at 7:06 am
as of now, a 3rd round pick, for Burgess would be great…
July 14th, 2009 at 7:06 am
American Idol is down the street here in Denver. Pay me enough & I’ll off Seacrest for you guys. lol
July 14th, 2009 at 7:07 am
What’s your beef with Shaugnessy, LMN? You have been very critical of him from the jump.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:09 am
I could live with the sulak pick, but man this draft sucks… thank god for murphy!
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and Blocking TE Brandon Myers (even though Cable says we’re only keeping 2 TE’s on the roster!)
unless Myers can beat out Tony Stewart, he might be another “wasted” 6th round pick!
July 14th, 2009 at 7:11 am
American Idol is down the street here in Denver. Pay me enough & I’ll off Seacrest for you guys. lol
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you should sing Christina Aguilera’s “genie in a bottle” and then when they tell you that you can’t sing, call Simon a d0uche bag. that’s a sure way to get on TV … haha
July 14th, 2009 at 7:11 am
no Howie comparisons…..I didnt know much about the kid remember Double R, I was asking wich one always tried to strip the ball thtat was the one I liked and you always replied Sulak which made me like…like not love him he was and still is a 6th round pick and if he didnt have the mental thoughnes that the Cable Guy is after than so be it I dnt care if we cut half the damn team I just want to WIN BABY!!!!!
Sulak Kool-aid was watered down by most of us none of us were to hi on this kid/pick!
July 14th, 2009 at 7:12 am
well well well, How are the local sheep today? long time no post but I’ve been reading and face it you guys miss me! First of ALL this is a JOKE cutting GUYS b4 they strap it up…hmmm well done Davis another wast!
LMN said it best WASTE he has got to be the smartest m3xican i’ve ever met well at least read what they had to say….neways sflifer wanna be how is it hagin I bet you wondering what I’m doing up so early no I’m not at HQ and no my “boss” at mickieD’s didnt need help so stop with the shrades..Im in FLORDIA and its 10am here!!! and SUNNY any one seen Pete I wanna boogie down!!!!!!!
Hey Vegas WOW nice job you predicted a 30 yr old saftey/Special teamer who ran his mouth would be cut good job nice detective work CAPTIAN OBVIOUS!!! LOL at some people!!!!
If anyone uses the word nill on a day to day basis they probably were wally pipped as a small child quite often and I feel for them.
4-12 here we come!!!!!
(support local g@y catch Phrases)
July 14th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Or, you could be like William Hung from a few years back and totally destroy She Bangs and get the spotlight for a while in Cali. Funny…
July 14th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Releasing Sulak or any other rookie before camp is not ok, even if we never hear his name again, wasting draft picks is not ok, even if they’re 6th rounders.
WTF Al?.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:20 am
any one seen Pete I wanna boogie down!!!!!!!
support local g@y catch Phrases
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wow Bobby. does your janitor boyfriend know you’re trying to make play dates with other guys off the internet?
glad you got transferred to the McDonalds in FL. everybody needs a happy meal
thanks for stopping by ol’ chum
July 14th, 2009 at 7:23 am
LOL hey bobby what the happs bud????
you love my catch phrases or you wouldnt be here!!!!!
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any one seen Pete I wanna boogie down!!!!!!!
support local g@y catch Phrases
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wow Bobby. does your janitor boyfriend know you’re trying to make play dates with other guys off the internet?
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LOL couldnt have said it better my self So what is you r take on the Sulak Situation bobby???
July 14th, 2009 at 7:25 am
# vegas raider Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 7:07 am
What’s your beef with Shaugnessy, LMN? You have been very critical of him from the jump.
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- 1st we had glaring needs that could have been addressed with his pick
- 2nd we didnt actually NEED a DE/OLB…
- 3rd he sound more stupid than Randy form ‘My name is earl’
- 4th lastly he has a bum knee, and I believe if we wanted him we could have had him very late if not as an undrafted… well i dont care, I just find the pick was wasted…
July 14th, 2009 at 7:27 am
From 04/14 -
Q: Can you compete with Chargers with only adding five draft picks?
Cable: I do. I do. First of all I know what specific players we need and I’m hoping that the draft shows that to me in the next two weeks and as we get through all these meetings. I know exactly what we need to beat those guys and where we need to be to have a chance to compete in the division. Hopefully the draft will bring that to us.
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we ended up having 7 draft picks. hopefully Sulak wasn’t one of the 5 picks Cable was counting on! yikes!
July 14th, 2009 at 7:28 am
# Bob Marley Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Releasing Sulak or any other rookie before camp is not ok, even if we never hear his name again, wasting draft picks is not ok, even if they’re 6th rounders.
WTF Al?.
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right on!
July 14th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Hey guys…
Have a good day today!!! See ya’ll tomorrow…
July 14th, 2009 at 7:29 am
even if we never hear his name again, wasting draft picks is not ok, even if they’re 6th rounders.
WTF Al?.
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Wow alittle to much over reaction dontcha think…… We didnt waste anything we drafted a guy and he didnt work out end of story this happens all the time…..”DE from Gerogia cnt remeber name righ tnow” 3rd rounder CUT Hall CUT ahhh moses was his name CUT!! Davis CUT and anybody else who dnt want to win or support our team pack your bags and in Eddies Murphy’s Famous last words “It’s my house and if you Don’t like it get the FU@K OUT” in my best Al Davis voice!!! Kids gert drafted and cut no big deal its called footbal operations its something that has to be done on a year to year basis I know you are all just catchin up to this stuff but come on!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 7:30 am
From 04/26 – Cable said:
Stryker Sulak was an end also, but also a linebacker in their system, depending on how they played certain teams he would be an inside linebacker, he’d be an edge linebacker, put his hand on the ground and be a defensive end as a pass rusher. So again, we’ll stand him up to start, at the linebacker spot.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Nnamdi21 Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
Moses wa apparently uncoachable and had a serious attitude problem. Miami signed him for alittle over league minimum ($460 k) Big deal…
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Don’t you think that should have been spotted in the draft evaluation process and maybe factored in before we spent a third round pick on the guy?????
Amazing….character and work ethic fall so far below physical measurable in this organization that we waste 3rd round draft picks on losers like Moses….yikes. No team drafts perfectly, obviously, but a little check into a guys background might tell you there are big issues and maybe you should gamble a 6th or 7th round pick on douche bags instead of 3rd round picks?
July 14th, 2009 at 7:34 am
Also From 04/26 -
Q: Sulak is known for being overly aggressive, is that a concern in terms of penalties?
Cable: None at all. The Raiders need that again. We need more of that. With some discipline along. You can’t be crazy, but you need that attitude.
Q: A challenge for up/down hybrids to become full-time stand-up guys?
Cable: You’re seeing more and more of that out of the 4-3 teams. That Sam or Will linebacker that on third down’s putting his hand on the ground. We actually did a little study. There’s a tremendous amount of guys that are making that transition, standing up on first and second down and putting their hand down on third. That’s really all over the league now, and some of the very good pass rushers are like that.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:38 am
Stryker was cut because Al wanted to throw us a bone during the dry news period. He knew MR/KK/Priest, etc. hadn’t vilified each other for weeks.
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Al: Herrera! Whats up with the crowd over at that computer newspaper?
Herrera: The smoke potter’s rag?
Al: No, no, that McDonald guy…
Herrera: It’s dead, Mr. Davis, just the -
Al: Don’t ever use that word around me!
Herrera: – the usual kooks discussing how much they miss Art Shell, Mr. Davis.
Al: Ahh, yes. McDonald and I go way back, remember? Well I remember… his mom’s neighbor’s uncle used to be a friend of my wife’s hairdresser, so I’m gonna help him out with some news before camp.
Herrera: Should we go public with the big contract we just gave the kid Southwick? Or we could add that CB Johnson to the roster…
Al: Whoa boy! Slow down there! Just cut loose that youngster Moses that Buddy’s kid doesn’t like. Waive him. Today.
Herrera: Sir, uh… you already…
Al: CUT THAT DEFENSIVE END WE DRAFTED OR YOU”RE FIRED!
Herrera: Done sir!
Al: …and find me a player named Napolean before camp, for good luck…
July 14th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Dakota Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 7:30 am
Don’t you think that should have been spotted in the draft evaluation process and maybe factored in before we spent a third round pick on the guy?????
Amazing….character and work ethic fall so far below physical measurable in this organization that we waste 3rd round draft picks on losers like Moses….yikes. No team drafts perfectly, obviously, but a little check into a guys background might tell you there are big issues and maybe you should gamble a 6th or 7th round pick on douche bags instead of 3rd round picks?
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OK Correct me if Im wrong arnt you the one with dying love for Raji the FAT TITTED POT smoking DT that all the scouts said had a attitude problem and would be a worthless piece of fat??? if not sorry but I think
that scouts do there jobs and then the media nfl and other front offices do thiers there are so many variables that go into this that we are fools to beleive anything we hear…untill they are in house like I said there is NO REAL EVALUATION…interpatation for the closed minded haters.. IF I was 19-23yrsold and A scout/coach/owner was there interveiwing me and I knew I could run a 4.4 forty and all I needed to do was impress some body I would DO IT..its the old addage “if you get an interveiw you get the job” who knows what this kid said behind close doors he obviously couldnt back it up on the field or in the classroom. This is sooooo BLOWIN up over a 6th rounder WTF is right!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Hey Lamar Odom, go fuk yourself. If you’d rather play for $10 million a year in Dallas, Miami or Portland than $9 million a year with the Lakers then go fuk yourself you stupid son of a biotch. Go play on crap teams instead of competing for a championship…probably too much pressure for your weak mind to handle anyhow you fuking pu$$y. You’d rather sit back on a team with no shot and get an extra million or two than play in the game’s biggest spotlight, well, good luck with that….you too Ariza…fukin greedy pu$$ies.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:43 am
LOL couldnt have said it better my self So what is you r take on the Sulak Situation bobby???
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I shouldnt be engaging with nim wits but here it goes WE ONLY HAD & PICKS DNT WASTE ANY OF THEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!How stupid do you have to be to figure out how to pick 7 guys out of 2000 not very someone “no names” better step up there game!
all you haters need to be accountable dnt let the koolaid drag you in THIS IS A PUTRID MESS WE HAVE!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Oaklifer…I was never on the Raji bandwagon, but I was on the Andre Smith Bandwagon….which might be worse, lol. Point taken.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:46 am
If you’d rather play for $10 million a year in Dallas, Miami or Portland than $9 million a year with the Lakers, Go play on crap teams instead of competing for a championship
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I hate Odem and the Lakers as much as yu but come on Dakota Portland is doing big things and we ARE competeing for a championship….and you should be scared if Odem leaves!!! Just please leave Portlan off the Crappy Team *LIST they dnt belong!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 7:47 am
BSJ…
funny stuff, we need a Lincoln, a kennedy or a napoleon on this team =)
July 14th, 2009 at 7:48 am
1. TO: jmcdonald@bayareanewsgroup.com
FROM: DR. John Walker, DO, MD, IMG-Alameda, California
Dear Mr. McDonald,
It has come to my attention that one of my patients, known to you as N0rco Bob, has been banned from posting comments on your Inside the Oakland Raiders blog.
Mr. N0rco Bob suffers from a wide variety of psychotic disorders, ranging from Delusional Disorder-Grandiose Type, which causes him to have an inflated sense of self worth, to Dependant Personality Disorder characterized by an over-reliance on others that leads to submissive and clinging behavior and fears of separation.
As of right now, Mr. N0rco Bob’s Delusional Disorder-Grandiose Type is dominant, however, it is my professional opinion that if you ban him from posting his delusional comments about his relationship with the Oakland Raiders on your blog you could push his Dependant Personality Disorder to the forefront, causing him to, perhaps, do harm to himself or others. He also suffers from a mild form of Panic Disorder that in combination with his feelings of separation from your blog may cause him to have a sudden onset of heart palpitations, chest pain, choking sensations, dizziness, and feelings of unreality.
As his treating MD I request that you lift the ban from Mr. N0rco Bob, both for his safety and the safety of others. Mr. N0rco Bob is one of the saddest cases I have run across in my 30 plus years of practice in the field of psychiatrics. Years of research and studies may be ruined by your actions.
Yours Truly,
Dr. John Walker, DO, MD, IMG-Alameda, California
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Thanks Dakota…
July 14th, 2009 at 7:49 am
but I was on the Andre Smith Bandwagon….which might be worse, lol.
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LOL mee too we could have got him for a bargin I kert telling my self!!! LOL Still a little takin back at the Monroe Shun?!?!?!
Did odem sign else where or to an offersheet that I missed??
July 14th, 2009 at 7:50 am
Oaklifer…okay, I’ll put Portland on the potentially not crappy team list….is that better? Make it out of the first round and then we can talk.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:54 am
LOL @ the SHEEP!!!!!
1st; Hey SFlifer & Montana this is a football bog you drooling fools portland and la both suck GO WARRIORS!!!!
2nd: Hey TW you are a big G@Y LOL at your feeble attemnt to copy and paste thing on a blog from m,onths ago you know if you clean ur desktop up and rid ur self of all the animal p0rnn and saved bs like that letter ur comp would run better then you could be a real blogger like the spicey tex mex LMN!!
3rd; QUIT WASTING PICKS
4th: AND I QOUTE ““if you get an interveiw you get the job” who knows what this kid said behind close doors he obviously couldnt back it up on the field or in the classroom. This is sooooo BLOWIN up over a 6th rounder WTF is right!!!!” …..Wonder how he bagged the diaper changing job in Alemeda????
July 14th, 2009 at 7:55 am
potentially not crappy team list….is that better? Make it out of the first round and then we can talk.
Understood yeah thats better!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 7:58 am
I found it interesting that the fat POS (Lombarfo) on NFL network talked about the supplemental draft right after talking about Stryker Sulak getting cut…maybe Al is looking at Jeremy Jarmon (6-3, 278) DE, Kentucky?
Watch our 2010 second round pick disappear on July 16th in the supp. draft, lol…and then wait and see if the kid can even make the team!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Moanin, Oak, LMN, RR, Dakota, BSJ,
July 14th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Good Morning Nation.
What’s going on Gents?
July 14th, 2009 at 8:04 am
I’d rather carry Greyson Gunheim or Stryker Sulak as a 5th DE than Jeremy Jarmon …
July 14th, 2009 at 8:04 am
good morning Raider O, Dirty, Dakota …
July 14th, 2009 at 8:05 am
good morning to all!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:06 am
Whats up O?
July 14th, 2009 at 8:09 am
morning Dirty and O!!!
hey O, yuo ever party with bobbyV when he came thro or is this another one of his lies??? Flordia that is???
July 14th, 2009 at 8:10 am
From USA today
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/football/nfl/chargers/2009-07-13-sw-afl-chargers_N.htm
July 14th, 2009 at 8:10 am
Iverson to the Clippers? LOL
July 14th, 2009 at 8:13 am
bobertsIV Says:
like that letter ur comp would run better then you could
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continuity…
July 14th, 2009 at 8:20 am
OAK,
No! If he came, he didn’t contact me!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:22 am
2nd: Hey TW you are a big G@Y LOL at your feeble attempt to copy and paste thing on a blog from months ago you know if you clean ur desktop up and rid your self of all the animal p0rnn and saved bs like that letter, your comp would run better then you could be a real blogger like the spicy tex mex LMN!!
heres a repost for the grammer “policia`” that was 4 you LMN…Tw all the corrections should apease you……You seriously have nothin better todo than point out grammer errors from a well knowin P1ll Clinton???
July 14th, 2009 at 8:22 am
I would say Arman Shields turned out to be more of a “wasted pick” than Sulak. Arman is still getting a paycheck. BTW, why isn’t he going to Alabama to camp Jamarcus? After a full year he still can’t run routes at 75% for an hour or so a day for a week? Now that’s a waste.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Raccoon,
I liked Walsh and respect him as an Xs & Os coach, but I didn’t like his style! I also hate the WC offense.
I like the Vertical game more. Run, PA, RUN, and then go vertical!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:25 am
No! If he came, he didn’t contact me!
LOL now he is “cliaming” he is in Flordia lookin for Pete…”IS this another one of you Pirate stories Lawrence?”
July 14th, 2009 at 8:29 am
OAK,
I never said he didn’t come to SD, but that he never contacted me!
Why Bob?? Why didn’t you contact me??
July 14th, 2009 at 8:31 am
he Chargers are still awaiting their first Super Bowl title. But San Diego will always retain a championship legacy from its days as an AFL powerhouse.
And this means????? NOTHING!!!LOL
LOL where is discharged-up we could use him for his insite on why SD cant win the big DANCE!!!!LOL!!!LOL!!!!LOL!!!LO!L!!L!L!LL!L!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:32 am
OAK,
Why would someone that lives in heaven AKA Cali go to Florida??
I don’t like Florida! It’s very Humid.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:33 am
Basically Cable had no idea who or what Sulak was or is & where he should play. I agree with Vegas, Shields is puzzling didnt they do a physical on the guy ?
“When Sulak was drafted, Raiders coach Tom Cable said the plan was to play him as a strongside linebacker along with fourth-round pick Slade Norris.
However, during the mandatory minicamp and OTAs, Sulak was instead lined up exclusviely as a defensive end and was getting reps with the second and third teams”
July 14th, 2009 at 8:34 am
where the hell is “flordia” ???
July 14th, 2009 at 8:34 am
The Chargers are a bad organization, maybe just as bad as the Bengals!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:35 am
ah, there it is…
on the line between georgia and florida…
July 14th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Why Bob?? Why didn’t you contact me??
on the raider blog ok…..you need to shoot an email or somthing I’m down there at least once a month unlike Montana SFlifer and wanna be I travel and work in the real world not on a desk in my mammies basement!!1 so I’ll holla next time!
WAKE UP THE CHARGERS OWN US…and hey SFlifer I dnt make stuff up its all reall poppin life here buddy I know ur jealous/!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:36 am
O,
California is a mess, no jobs, bankrupt, too much regulation & taxes to run a business. At least the illegals are well taken care of & social programs are going strong…hey lets cut police & fire to balance the budget!
Florida!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Dakota Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 7:58 am
I found it interesting that the fat POS (Lombarfo) on NFL network talked about the supplemental draft right after talking about Stryker Sulak getting cut…maybe Al is looking at Jeremy Jarmon (6-3, 278) DE, Kentucky?
Watch our 2010 second round pick disappear on July 16th in the supp. draft, lol…and then wait and see if the kid can even make the team!
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Amazing, our approach to defensive line player personnel these days. I can see us doing that, hopefully not a 2nd, and couple it with everything else lately for the D-line.
Let’s see we have now: cut a 6th round pick before camp starts, draft DE’s and ask them to play LB, draft LB’s and ask them to play DE, sign DT’s and ask them to play DE, sign undrafted FA to record-contracts, waste a 3rd pick on a guy who doesn’t make it thru camp, pass up obvious D-line help in draft for Safeties and treat other teams practice squad and waiver wire pick-ups like found gold. Shocking it that it hasn’t worked yet.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Norv turner is a magician…
he can turn shinola into schit…
July 14th, 2009 at 8:37 am
lol @ flordia!!
Florida!!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:39 am
the big NFL news today is that TE Bubba Franks & QB Brian Griese got cut. WR Derrick Mason plans to retire.
nobody cares about a RUMOR that a Raiders 6th round pick DE/OLB might not make the team …
would this be a BIG STORY anywhere else? no
July 14th, 2009 at 8:39 am
good morning nation!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Good day all.
Last night I explained how losing a 6th round pick before camp hurts competition. Forget the 53 man roster….a 6th round pick could push someone who makes the 53 man roster.
Sulak could have provided competition. 6′5 251 runs a 4.7 40 from Missouri.
Perhaps he would make a better MLB prospect than that undrafted Tight End from Boise State. Camp would have been a nice place to find out. At least Sulak played defense.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:41 am
it speaks to the fact that this was one very goofy draft…
July 14th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Priesttj,
I respect Al Davis. I also respect the President of the U.S.A, the Governor of my state and even the Mayor.
Still okay to levy criticism and opinion from time to time.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:42 am
I was only talking about the weather!!
Dude, you guys are sensitive down there! It’s not like I called it the Swamp of the South!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:43 am
I can picture Bobby on the beach, pale as a ghost with his mom putting sunscreen on his back while he’s typing on the laptop to keep in touch with us on the blog. he’s really livin’ it up. LOL. better hope your mom doesn’t want to check her e-mail and clicks the history icon. she might not like the fact that you’re trying to meet guys online…
July 14th, 2009 at 8:45 am
enjoy the family vacation Bobby. I hope your parents take you to disney world as well.
yes, we’re all jealous!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:51 am
here we go Raiders here we go
boom
boom
July 14th, 2009 at 8:51 am
The cutting of Sulak, IMO, is strictly a move to save money. They may only save 15-20K by not giving him a signing bonus and also paying the pro-rated salary money they get during training camp.
Now is that a “wasted pick”? I’m not sure if it’s a waste, but surely you have to be able to draft a guy who at least is going to make you somewhat interested in seeing them in pads.
Should have drafted Zack Follet.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Vegas,
Or a DT!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:56 am
I wanted M Johnson in the 3rd.
Damn the Bengals!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:57 am
vegas raider Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 8:51 am
The cutting of Sulak, IMO, is strictly a move to save money. They may only save 15-20K by not giving him a signing bonus and also paying the pro-rated salary money they get during training camp.
Now is that a “wasted pick”? I’m not sure if it’s a waste, but surely you have to be able to draft a guy who at least is going to make you somewhat interested in seeing them in pads.
Should have drafted Zack Follet.
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Can only send 80 guys to camp. Not necessarily a waste if you can try him at other positions.
Yeah…Zack Follet…a guy who played SLB in college
July 14th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Should have drafted Zack Follet.
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S&B said the same thing. At that point we had already drafted Slade Norris. Follet (like Sulak) is better suited for a 3-4 defense. No way we would have kept Follet as an 8th LB. He would have been practice squad at best. who knows? Sulak might be on our practice squad too if nobody else wants him … there was little doubt we needed an OLB in the draft. we got one. the right one? who knows. but that guy is Slade Norris
July 14th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Man fellas, I have to go to this stupid job fair thing and register, as required for my unemployment.
It’s on the strip at the crappy Tropicana, and it is 110 degrees outside. I thought I got to sit on my azz and collect a check, this stinks!!!! LOL
July 14th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Davis wants to win now. he doesn’t want to build for the future …
thats why he kept Burgess and signed Ellis. and why Sulak won’t make the team.
for the same reasons, if Russell doesn’t improve on last year’s performance he will be benched. no need to argue. it will happen
July 14th, 2009 at 9:00 am
Man fellas, I have to go to this stupid job fair thing and register, as required for my unemployment.
It’s on the strip at the crappy Tropicana, and it is 110 degrees outside. I thought I got to sit on my azz and collect a check, this stinks!!!!
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sheesh Vegas. life is hard! haha
July 14th, 2009 at 9:00 am
DHB
MM
M Johnson
Murphy
That would have been a better draft.(for Al)
Speed Kills!
Damn the Bengals!
July 14th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Hey Pete!!! and Mista good to see ya guys AM crew in full effect!!!!
Pete watch out for bobby boy he’s a comin yer way!!!
Norv turner is a magician…LMFAO!!!!!!! yeas he is like the tooth fairy or obamma little less talk and a lot more action!!!!!!! man Im busy as heck today!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Slade Norris and Zack Follett played the same position the same years in the same conference. Follett was no doubt the better player on the field, but they put everyone in shorts and run them through cones, and viola, Norris is a 4th round pick and Follett goes in the 7th. Amazing how it works.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:07 am
Slade Norris and Zack Follett played the same position the same years in the same conference. Follett was no doubt the better player on the field, but they put everyone in shorts and run them through cones, and viola, Norris is a 4th round pick and Follett goes in the 7th. Amazing how it works.
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we knew Tom Cable wasn’t the best talent evaluator. Match him with Owner/GM Davis, who drafts for speed and you’ve got one crazy duo.
I think Cable is over confident in his abilities, either that or he’s a complete lap dog. I think Al Davis will construct the 53 man roster and Cable thinks without a doubt he can take that team and create a winner. On the bright side? At least Davis would have played Mario Henderson last year instead of Kwame Harris!
July 14th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Vegas: I lot of Raider fans thought Rey Malalala was worthy of the 7th overall pick too and 32 teams passed on him
July 14th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Priest is right to say that we need to be patient and see what Marshall can do.
Although, I find it interesting to notice the Raider draft strategy vs. others. Guys on the Raider defense have to step up big-time…Anyway some other moves:
K.C = Using two top 5 picks on the D-Line (big guys too)
N.E, Indy, Atl, Pit all drafting TWO DTs…and each using 1st day picks to do so despite already having attractive options
Minnesota – Number 1 run defense adds Jasper Brinkley
Giants – Despite a boss D-Line they add Chris Canty and Rocky Bernard and draft Clint Sintim in the 2nd rd
Redskins – Despite having a stout run defense in 08 (#5 rank) they sign Albert Haynesworth and draft Orakpo
Packers – Draft Raji (#9) and trade up to bring in Matthews Jr…SLB
Texans – Add Conner Barwin and Cushing (1st day) and Shaun Cody
Chargless – Despite Jamal Williams (beast) add another DT in the 4th round
Titans, Bears, Bucs,Panthers,Jags all used 3rd rd or higher on run stopping lineman
I UNDERSTAND THE RAIDES PHILOSOPHY! I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE COACHES LIKE MORRISON, KELLY WARREN, SANDS, BOSCHETTI AND JOSEPH…JUST POINTING OUT MOVES OTHER TEAMS MADE
Especially when we talk about camp competition
July 14th, 2009 at 9:14 am
I UNDERSTAND THE RAIDES PHILOSOPHY! I ALSO UNDERSTAND THE COACHES LIKE MORRISON, KELLY WARREN, SANDS, BOSCHETTI AND JOSEPH…JUST POINTING OUT MOVES OTHER TEAMS MADE
Especially when we talk about camp competition
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you mean Sands, Joseph, Boschetti & Bryant aren’t considered “top notch competition” for starting DT’s Kelly & Warren ???
you’ve got to be kidding!
July 14th, 2009 at 9:16 am
SnB Defense Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:11 am
nice post S&B
for the same reasons, if Russell doesn’t improve on last year’s performance he will be benched. no need to argue. it will happen
Double R not even going to aruge but heres some Quaterback berry quencher for ya!!! those sounded like fightin words to me!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 9:19 am
depends on whether you are talking about the line in the cafeteria or not…
July 14th, 2009 at 9:20 am
OAKlifer: i’m not trying to p1ss in the Kool-Aid. I’m still with you brother. Russell = Pro Bowl Alternate after 16 starts and a playoff birth
all i’m saying is… if the man can’t pull through, somebody else will.
Either way, PLAYOFFS 2009! woohoo!
Danny Southwick for President in 3 years!
July 14th, 2009 at 9:22 am
enjoy the family vacation Bobby. I hope your parents take you to disney world as well.
yes, we’re all jealous!
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WOW family not take you out much as a kid????
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with his mom putting sunscreen on his back
WOW Mom to friendly wit you growing up???
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. she might not like the fact that you’re trying to meet guys online…
WOW your Uncle really messed you up!!!
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But then you redeem your self wannabe stand up and take a bow for this comment!!!
“for the same reasons, if Russell doesn’t improve on last year’s performance he will be benched. no need to argue. it will happen”
Good to know that wandering sniveling kollaid drinking babble mpouths know this kid is fat and the biggest waste of a pick in recent memory!!! You ROCKSTAR just moved up from 2 out 10 in my book to 2.4 out of 10 good job!!!
PETE PETE!!!!!!
Leats go grab some gator buddy whats a hot spot down here????
July 14th, 2009 at 9:26 am
aahhh the haters are at it again. today its because of a college player that got passed 5 times by 32 teams, a player they assumed got picked because of his name in the first place…
what if the guy asked for his release with the signing of Ellis and the failed Burge-trade?
what if they told him/his agent that he doesnt have a chance simply losing out on the numbers game withz the Ellis and the failed Burge-trade, the emergence of Scott, and its best for his carrer if he is waived early so someone else can take a shot at him in camp?
what if the Raiders can retain a long time employee with the waiving/saving or maintain a charity work they are involved with?
what if he told them his heart isnt in it?
what if he has a irregular heartbeat, or is really a sloow learner.(its not a gimme that you have the players you have talked to, aLL the guys on your “board”, are automaticaly available in the late rounds. you definitly take some shots into the dark in the draft, no matter what you do)
what if other teams start doing it too, cause it saves real money, when a late rounder is that much down the DC due to similar circumstances that it makes no sense to keep him. i wouldnt be surprised at all if they did….
btw, did any of you donkey-butts apologized to Russell and his family here after “hatin” on his absence from the 1. OTAs assuming it was his lil ankle-sprain that kept him away, or his 65 year old mothers “minor” med issues? (there are no “minor” issues for a 60 year old!!!!!!!) while he was really missing because his closest friend/uncle past away?
no.
as for the pick itself, nobody likes to waist a pick but it happens. heck the way some of “us” react here sometimes, AD might have saved Shanahans life the way he went through picks in DEN.
and LMN, this is for you dude, and mb another possible reason why Sulak was let go on top of it all.
“ROOKIE IMPRESSIONS: Matt Shaughnessy, a third-round pick from Wisconsin, was the most durable and consistent of Oakland’s draft picks and could compete for a starting position at base end.”
gotto catch this freeroll lol. later haters and gents!
July 14th, 2009 at 9:27 am
I don’t understand why you would draft a end and cut him after the first camp. Does not make much sense to em unless the guy was just mouthing off and totally ineffective. Why draft a guy just to cut him? Why not use the pick on a long shot O-lineman instead?
Dumb move!
July 14th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Danny Southwick for President in 3 years!
YES!!!! maybe this is the behind the secenes football mind every one has been talkin bout!!! I sue hope so Im sure BSJ has some pull with the ol nephew!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 9:32 am
CantstandtheHaters,
How many draft picks have been cut before camp started?
Especially D-Lineman? You know, the guys who have to practice in shorts and have very limited contact?
Why not try Sulak at MLB? The Raiders are giving a Tight End from Boise State a shot at the position. At least Sulak played defense in college?
Everyone talks about trade down…trade down….well they did and threw the pick away.
Will it make a difference as far as the roster? Nope…he wasn’t making the team anyway…I also think its 50/50 Slade Norris makes it either.
I didn’t like the cut because of the loss of competition. Maybe they will add a free agent linebacker/defensive tackle later.
IN MY OPINION, these guys on defense need to be pushed a lot more….Too many blown assignments during the year, weight issues etc…Perhaps with more competition some of that goes away
July 14th, 2009 at 9:35 am
bobertsIV Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:22 am
PETE PETE!!!!!!
Leats go grab some gator buddy whats a hot spot down here????
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i dont know, man…
you’re scaring me…
July 14th, 2009 at 9:37 am
CantstandtheHaters Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:26 am
aahhh the haters are at it again. today its because of a college player that got passed 5 times by 32 teams, a player they assumed got picked because of his name in the first place…
what if the guy asked for his release with the signing of Ellis and the failed Burge-trade?
what if they told him/his agent that he doesnt have a chance simply losing out on the numbers game withz the Ellis and the failed Burge-trade, the emergence of Scott, and its best for his carrer if he is waived early so someone else can take a shot at him in camp?
what if the Raiders can retain a long time employee with the waiving/saving or maintain a charity work they are involved with?
what if he told them his heart isnt in it?
what if he has a irregular heartbeat, or is really a sloow learner.(its not a gimme that you have the players you have talked to, aLL the guys on your “board”, are automaticaly available in the late rounds. you definitly take some shots into the dark in the draft, no matter what you do)
what if other teams start doing it too, cause it saves real money, when a late rounder is that much down the DC due to similar circumstances that it makes no sense to keep him. i wouldnt be surprised at all if they did….
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what if they showed him a picture of McDaddy’s peepee ???
and he asked for an out so he wouldn’t be humiliated ???
July 14th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Southwick!!
I hope people don’t read this blog and think we are crazy!!
Leagalize it!!
lol
July 14th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Legalize it!!
Sorry but I can’t type today.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:47 am
I hope people don’t read this blog and think we are crazy!!
Ohhhh on the contrair my friend I figure that The new donkeys head coach has messed up things so bad in Donkland that he is looking for advice any where he can get it and as soon as he taste the Southwick koolaid he will trade us straight across for Ryan Clady!!!!!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 9:51 am
i dont know, man…
you’re scaring me…
Old buddy I scare you!!?!?!?!?!?
I’m the only sane one on this blog well besides O and S&B they cool!!! Im in St petersburg for the night then down to Jacksonville till thru!!!
we could engage in real raider talk like how SFlifer and 2.4 are internet lovers Montana is a clone and why O wouldnt party with me weeks ago!?!?!?!?
July 14th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Bob,
Dude, you never gave your info!! Next time post your Email, so I can give you my #!
I don’t get scared!! lol
July 14th, 2009 at 10:03 am
You’re in St Petersberg? Why don’t you go to the Surrealist Museum or to you it would just be be a museum.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:13 am
New post!!
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