No need to panic over 6th-round Strykeout
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, July 14th, 2009 at 9:43 am in Oakland Raiders.
It’s a little disconcerting to have used a sixth-round draft pick on someone who you quickly deem to be incapable of making your football team, but that’s all it is.
A little disconcerting.
Stryker Sulak, or safety Keith Davis, for that matter, weren’t going to make or break the 2009 Raiders.
Regarding Sulak, let’s go back to Day 2 of the draft, when Tom Cable was doing what all coaches do _ talking about the great draft his team just completed. He was already growing tired of the questions surrounding Day 1 picks Darrius Heyward-Bey and Mike Mitchell and lecturing the media on the amount of “due diligence” the Raiders perform with every selection.
“We really connected this year and everything worked,” Cable said. “We had a plan, stuck to the plan and we got the players we wanted.”
His summary of Sulak, the sixth-round hybrid end/linebcker from Missouri?
“Stryker Sulak was an end but also a linebacker in their system. Depending on who they played, in certain situations he was an inside linebacker, an outside linebacker, or he he had his hand on the ground as a defensive end as a pass rusher.”
Cable said he would start out as a linebacker.
When asked if he had a any problems with Sulak’s reputation for getting a few too many penalties, Cable said, “The Raiders need that again. We need more of that, with some discipline. You can’t bee too crazy, but you need that attitude.”
And that was the last we heard from Cable about Sulak. Well, almost. At the mandatory minicamp, Sulak wasn’t lining up as a linebacker, but as an end. I reminded Cable that he’d said Sulak was going to play linebacker, and if the plan was to give him some reps there as well to see where he’d best fit in.
“Yes,” Cable said.
One-word answers are no big deal, but they’re rare in the offseason. Coaches normally go out of their way to elaborate with something along the lines of, “We just wanted to see where he was at as an end, but we really like his motor and think he has the capability to do both.”
Since only one of every three OTA sessions are open to the media, it’s impossible to know if Sulak got in much time as a linebacker. He was strictly an end on media days, and a virtually invisible one at that.
Assuming there is no story behind the story, like the time a Raiders draft pick never made it to camp after he got pulled over with a bundle of weed in his trunk, it’s pretty clear all the team’s due diligence and their plan failed with regard to Stryker Sulak.
They saw he wouldn’t be a factor at linebacker and was a slender rush end. They signed Greg Ellis, weren’t going to be able to trade Derrick Burgess and made a sixth-round score the previous year in Trevor Scott. Sulak would make four ends on the 53-man roster who have issues defending the run on a team which desperately needs to shore up in that area.
They looked at third-round pick Matt Shaughnessy, Derrick Gray, Greyson Gunheim and even undrafted rookie free agent Desmond Bryant and couldn’t see Sulak making the roster.
So they simply wrote off Sulak rather than pay him a bonus in the $80,000 to $90,000 range just to sign a contract when they knew he probably wouldn’t make the practice squad.
Better to admit the mistake now than write a check just to defend the honor of a draft pick. If Sulak becomes a player somewhere else, then the the person who pushed for the Sulak selection can feel pretty good and the one who decided he couldn’t play (unless it’s Al Davis) can start preparing his resume.
But when you take a look at the history of sixth-round draft picks over the years, that’s not the way to bet.
They nailed the Scott pick in 2008, whiffed on Sulak in 2009. Going 1-for-2 on sixth-round ends is still above average.
The most troublesome aspect of the Keith Davis move is that the veteran couldn’t move aside Michael Huff in the pecking order. They’re putting a lot on the shoulders of Tyvon Branch and Mike Mitchell, two explosive but inexperienced talents with injury issues in their admittedly short histories.
REPORTING DATE MOVED UP
The Raiders are scheduled to report to camp on July 28, and not the 29th, as previously reported. Their first practice is still scheduled for July 30, however. July 29 will be entirely made up of meetings with no practice.
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July 14th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Keith Davis must have really showed he had nothing left in the tank to trade him now. With two inexperienced players. Unless Branch has really been showing them something special or they think there is a better safety out there.
Can you think of a veteran safety out there in free agency?
July 14th, 2009 at 9:56 am
it’s still a wasted pick to complement a goofy draft…
July 14th, 2009 at 9:58 am
I wish I were a 6th round pick….
July 14th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Bob,
Dude, you never gave your email!!
Next time you post your email, so I can give you my #.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Jerry,
That was a good article! Keep up the good work.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:11 am
O done bro next time we will swap #’s!!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 10:12 am
Surrealist Museum !!!!!!!!11
I love it!!
July 14th, 2009 at 10:15 am
I hope that Mike Mitchell, Tyvon Branch and Michael Huff really seize the day in camp. I hope they push and push and push each other in camp.
Hiram Eugene is a trooper…but is too pedestrian to rely on as an everyday starter.
Question to the group…can the Raiders go ahead and declare the starting lineup on defense? I see the safety and SLB positions as the only ones that have any meaningful competition. Am I wrong?
July 14th, 2009 at 10:18 am
I love Museums!!
TW,
Have you been to Balboa Park and the Air & Space museum?
July 14th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Dude, don’t swap numbers with Boberts, he’s another of Brian’s screen names. You remember Brian – possibly the dumbest and gayest meathead to ever blog in here?
Anyway, its your choice, but my guess is he’ll try to loosen you up with flattering converstion, slip a roofie into your margarita and before you know it you’ll be in urgent care with numerous genital infections.
Just a friendly warning!
July 14th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Cutting an undersized tweener 6th rounder before camp opens? No biggy…just as long as he doesn’t catch on somewhere else and flourish. Otherwise who cares…..the Raiders are loaded at DE right now.
If Shaunessey was the one who was cut, then I would be pissed! That would have been comparable to when they wasted a 3rd rounder on Quentin Moses.
Now that was a screw up!
July 14th, 2009 at 10:31 am
beeecham,
And I thought us trolls ahad to stick together!!!! you my friend are in complete denial about my exsistance and ownership of you and the rest of the sheep I see our hatred for the same person is ALL we have in common you are the weakest link!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 10:34 am
Man, I’ve been reading up on the disgrace that is Lenny Dykstra. What an immense clown!
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2009/07/12/2009-07-12_nails_takes_major_pounding_exmet_lenny_dykstras_fortune_marriage_and_business_re.html
July 14th, 2009 at 10:35 am
well just started to kick in!!!! heading to the beach!!! I’ll check out the Meuseuem if its real and hey pete!!!! lets do Gator!!!!!! this is for you to O and to all the “real Haters out there dnt be Fuc@kin up my in box puuuuulllleeeaaazze this is for two REAL raider fans to meat up!!!!bigmar69@gmaildotcom!!!!!
O hit me up bro Ill repaly so you know its real then we can party like rockstars!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Dakota, Oh Oh,
Odom-Lakers talks hit a snag
Sean Hiller, Staff Photographer
Deal or no deal? While Lakers general manager Mitch Kupchak was feeling frustrated and flustered in Las Vegas after a day of non-productive negotiations with Lamar Odom’s agent, Jeff Schwartz, Odom showed up at a party at Club Nokia on Monday night, celebrating the launch of the DVD of the Lakers’ championship run, and said he still was “hopeful” of returning to the team.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:38 am
BYE BYE OL BOBBY BOY!!!!!! good to see ya also good to see your mom still lets you blog!!!
If that is his email address what a clown who does that!!!!
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O hit me up bro Ill repaly so you know its real then we can party like rockstars!!!!!
Did he just say Rockstar?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?LOL wird not to see wanna be on there!!LOL
July 14th, 2009 at 10:43 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Does anyone have an update on Danny Southwick’s private passing camp?
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YES. Louis Murphy, Todd Watkins & Will Franklin flew out to Alabama to work out with JaMarcus Russell, while Jonathan Holland, Samie Parker, Shawn Bayes & Nick Miller drove to Gilroy, CA for a private passing camp with Jeff Garcia.
Johnnie Lee Higgins, Chaz Schilens, Darrius Heyward-Bey & Zach Miller flew out to Utah for a private passing camp with Danny Southwick. They are building a chemistry and none of these receiving threats have dropped a pass all week!
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They all should have got together at the same spot for the player passing camp. Oh well,I I’m just glad they all got together on the side and practiced to try and get on the same page before camp.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:50 am
TW,
Have you been to Balboa Park and the Air & Space museum?
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No, O, the one in St Petersberg is the Dali museum. I’ve been to the Van Gogh museum & Dutch masters in Amsterdam. I’d like to see the Olivia gallery in Calif while I’m there, I love her work, airbrush.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Exla,
I already addressed that issue with an explicative filled comment on the last thread, lol
July 14th, 2009 at 10:51 am
14 forced fumbles, regardless of his level of competition, warrants a look in training camp. Some players have a knack for stripping the ball. Maybe, not definitely, but maybe Sulak had that. Unless he sticks somewhere else, I guess we’ll never know.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:53 am
Just got here Dakota for a short look see.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:55 am
No need to panic over 6th-round Strykeout
Too late for some. lol
July 14th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Jerry, nobody was “panicking”, as you put it, about a 6th round pick being cut this early. Just pointing out how unusual it is that Al would cut a guy before even giving him a workout in pads. The only reason for it is that the team is flat out broke. (already paying for Al’s ‘08 splurge on mediocre players?). If you don’t want people to think that you’re shilling for the team, Jerry, try not to use the tactics that team shills use, like exaggerating fans’ reactions to Al’s crazy decisions. Nobody ever panicked. We just mocked Al, as we always do, because it’s well warranted. There’s a few reporters our there who have the sack to do it, too. You used to be one of them. Remember?
July 14th, 2009 at 10:56 am
I love it when the thread bloated with panic over unimportant moves/topics to the point where Jerry has to come in and punk everone about it. I’d panic if it was Mike Mitchell who was cut, but I couldnt even post on that last thread without yawning.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Hey it’s MR to set everything straight! Thank God! Disregard my last post LOL…
July 14th, 2009 at 10:59 am
And, how could anybody panic, Jerry, when the Raiders have already been at the bottom for 6 years and running? In order to panic, there has to be a fear of losing something, or of something falling apart. The Raiders have been in pieces for the better part of a decade now. There is no scenario that could invoke panic, because not much more can go wrong. We’re already looking at the wrecked train. The window for panic shut 6 years ago.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Exla, I read one report that said the Lakers had come up close to $9 million but Odom still said no…can you fukin believe it? What a greedy POS…$9 million bucks to come off the bench and play at about 75% speed most of the time knowing Odom…what a fukin a-hole. He should play for $6 million a year as punishment for not showing up at the 2008 finals…fukin dickhead!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:01 am
You ROCKSTAR just moved up from 2 out 10 in my book to 2.4 out of 10 good job!!!
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Bobby, thanks for the props man!
now if we can get you to lobby for Danny Southwick at QB you’ll move up from 2 out of 10 in my book to 4 out of 10 !!!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:02 am
AZ Raider, notice how Jerry is using terms that priest and Hayez would use? Accusing critical fans of “panicking”? Overstating opposing views? That’s the tactic of the shills. Could it be that with Jerry’s job obviously on the line, his biggest fear, or, better yet, PANIC, is that Al Davis will cut off his access to the team which will result in him losing his job at the tribune? Who’s the one panicking, Jerry?
July 14th, 2009 at 11:05 am
TW,
If you want, I can take you to Balboa park. There are museums there too.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:07 am
AZ,
What’s up bro? Enjoying the heat! lol
How’s work?
July 14th, 2009 at 11:11 am
No need to panic over 6th-round Strykeout
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LOL. very nice Jerry!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:12 am
TW,
Olivia!! Don’t know Her or her work.
Where in Cali?
When I went to Amsterdam I was 17/18. All I did was smoke, Drink, etc….
July 14th, 2009 at 11:15 am
O,
112 yesterday! Good thing I have a pool. Work is going great! On pace to break some more records this month.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Bob,
I have a problem remembering emails, but this one is hard to forget!! lol
Boy you Craaazy!!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:17 am
AZ,
Are in you in service or parts?
July 14th, 2009 at 11:17 am
hey MR why is it when Bobby leaves you opo in out of nowhere???? just curious how many people live in that studio its you, Bobby, bri3n, Bobby’s mom, bri3ns boyfriend, thats five!! seems like alot for a project studio apt in east Oakland!!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:18 am
sorry for the repost mods are on me lol I geuss for Loving MY TEAM AND BACKING UNCLE AL!!!!!!!1
July 14th, 2009 at 11:18 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Does anyone have an update on Danny Southwick’s private passing camp?
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YES. Louis Murphy, Todd Watkins & Will Franklin flew out to Alabama to work out with JaMarcus Russell, while Jonathan Holland, Samie Parker, Shawn Bayes & Nick Miller drove to Gilroy, CA for a private passing camp with Jeff Garcia.
Johnnie Lee Higgins, Chaz Schilens, Darrius Heyward-Bey & Zach Miller flew out to Utah for a private passing camp with Danny Southwick. They are building a chemistry and none of these receiving threats have dropped a pass all week!
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Lokes like Jonathan Holland, Samie Parker, Shawn Bayes & Nick Miller drove to Gilroy, CA for a private passing camp with Jeff Garcia to get cut from the team!!!!!! Garcia got the scrubs. Well not all the scrubs Walker and Shields were not present.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:19 am
Question to the group…can the Raiders go ahead and declare the starting lineup on defense? I see the safety and SLB positions as the only ones that have any meaningful competition. Am I wrong?
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S&B: good question. If Cable has any say at all, he should make every job along the defensive front seven up for grabs. Tommy Kelly is the only player in that group making top dollar
DE: Burgess, Ellis, Scott, Shaughnessy, Richardson, Gunheim, Gray
DT: Kelly, Warren, Sands, W. Joseph, Boschetti, Bryant
OLB: Howard, Alston, Brown, Norris, Nixon, Williams, Condo
MLB: Morrison, Brown, O’Neill, F. Joseph, Ekejiuba
those should be heated training camp battles imo. I don’t think Sulak would have added any more competition than there already is …
July 14th, 2009 at 11:19 am
MR,
I’m just saying when I read alot of those posts from the last thread, it was a little comical of how crushed alot of bloggers were about this kid getting cut. None of us had even heard of him before we drafted him. I’m not saying that draft picks aren’t important, just that I wasnt really concerned we cut him, and IMO nor should anyone else be…
July 14th, 2009 at 11:20 am
AZ,
I don’t have a pool or AC. It was 90 inside the house with the fans on!!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:20 am
RR,
There is still time to sign UFA’s…. So, no.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:21 am
You in the bay area O?
July 14th, 2009 at 11:23 am
O,
didnt see the post before, sorry…
Service
July 14th, 2009 at 11:26 am
The most troublesome aspect of the Keith Davis move is that the veteran couldn’t move aside Michael Huff in the pecking order. They’re putting a lot on the shoulders of Tyvon Branch and Mike Mitchell, two explosive but inexperienced talents with injury issues in their admittedly short histories.
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Jerry: for all any of us know (including yourself) Hiram Eugene & Michael Huff could start at safety. Please don’t jump to conclusions that we’re planning to have two guys with a combined ZERO NFL starts on top of the depth chart
Nnamdi Asomugha said Michael Huff has been the most impressive player in camp & OTA’s and is poised for a breakout year, despite your reports that he looks like trash and gets abused in coverage. I’ve seen him miss some tackles on RB’s and drop some easy INT’s, but i’ve never seen him get torn up in pass coverage. Maybe he was adjusting to John Marshall’s defense, you know? Where he’ll be playing centerfield, instead of down in the box … no more interchangable safeties. hallelujah! (sp?)
July 14th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Raider Rockstar,
Why would DHB go work out with a guy who is most likely going to be cut in Danny Southwick. Would you not want to be creating chemistry with the starting QB JAM? I don’t get it myself, if anyone has ever played WR before you know how diffrent passes can be coming from new QBs. You ahve to get use to their throwing motion, accuracy, speed, etc. So DHB lets Murphy “get his catch on” with JAM while he plays catch with Southlick. I don’t get it.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:28 am
There is still time to sign UFA’s…. So, no
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AZ: huh?
are you responding to S&B’s question at the top? or my reply to his question?
July 14th, 2009 at 11:28 am
CJ,
Cant believe you actually took that seriously
July 14th, 2009 at 11:29 am
I’m just saying when I read alot of those posts from the last thread, it was a little comical of how crushed alot of bloggers were about this kid getting cut.
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Very true sounded alot like panic to me….
again funny thing Bobert and MR and Beech all show up on the same day?!?!?! then Mr goes on and on about shills and how they keep Jerry working….but now I think trolls was the wrong term all along maybe just maybe you guys are the shills makes sense no?? always aruing stupid mute points always starting some sort of trade rumour and most of all always hating on the one thing Raider fans either love or hate Uncle AL so tell me shills how is your guys day going???
July 14th, 2009 at 11:30 am
KoolKell Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
My point is the very same thing happened to Raheem Brock with the Eagles yet it was never considered newsworthy.
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If it wasn’t newsworthy, how did you find out about it?”
I know that you are smarter than this Kell. It’s called research. You think I remember that from 7 years ago? Come on man.
I love how, when I present a logical explanation, much like Jerry has done in this post, I am labeled a “David lover”. I never even mentioned the mans name or even allude to him.
Some of you need to find a life outside of this blog, seriously.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Why would DHB go work out with a guy who is most likely going to be cut in Danny Southwick. Would you not want to be creating chemistry with the starting QB JAM?
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CJ: that wasn’t even factual. That was a post that I made up yesterday when we were talking about Danny Southwick and his pro potential. everybody who was online yesterday when I posted it knew I was joking. sorry for the confusion. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Southwick make the team though. He has a phenominal arm!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:31 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 11:27 am
Raider Rockstar,
Why would DHB go work out with a guy who is most likely going to be cut in Danny Southwick. Would you not want to be creating chemistry with the starting QB JAM? I don’t get it myself, if anyone has ever played WR before you know how diffrent passes can be coming from new QBs. You ahve to get use to their throwing motion, accuracy, speed, etc. So DHB lets Murphy “get his catch on” with JAM while he plays catch with Southlick. I don’t get it.
LMAO!!! sarcasim is hard to read!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:32 am
I love how, when I present a logical explanation, much like Jerry has done in this post, I am labeled a “David lover”. I never even mentioned the mans name or even allude to him.”
Don’t know who David is, should say “Davis”
July 14th, 2009 at 11:34 am
Question to the group…can the Raiders go ahead and declare the starting lineup on defense? I see the safety and SLB positions as the only ones that have any meaningful competition. Am I wrong?
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Man I hope not Im a big believer in the marshal plan but come guys we REALLY sucked it up last year!!!
HERES TO CAMP COMP!!!!!!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:36 am
“Some of you need to find a life outside of this blog, seriously.”
Speak on it! Here is the list to be more specific:
MR
FoolKell
Dude
N0rco Bob aka BobertsIV
Ever notice that these four posters are also the most unintelligent and ignorant among us. NOT A COINCIDENCE FOLKS!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:36 am
What a joke. People are saying that Flacco could struggle if Mason retires.
Yet, Russell gets no credit for working with Walker, Lelie and Curry.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Dude and KoolKell are clearly the same person btw
July 14th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Raider O Says:
TW,
Olivia!! Don’t know Her or her work.
Where in Cali?
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Tamara Bane Gallery in Bev Hills
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When I went to Amsterdam I was 17/18. All I did was smoke, Drink, etc….
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Same here 2yr ago, also went to the Heiniken Museum oops..gallery…oops… brewery. Altho they don’t brew thee anymore. Skipped Ann Frank’s attic.
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Bob,
I have a problem remembering emails, but this one is hard to forget!! lol
Boy you Craaazy!!
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Yeah, crazytrain to bats#!t city!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:39 am
MR and N0rco Bob are the same person as well
July 14th, 2009 at 11:39 am
Just doing my job flushing out the liars, idiots and frauds…
July 14th, 2009 at 11:41 am
AZ,
I’m in San Diego.
Service you say. I should have went to service instead of sales. More relaxed, and more pay, And you don’t work till 10pm!! lol
I hated that, especially when there is no sale!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Good job, Detector, last we heard from B0b he took another pill(s) & now as MR he can spell again!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:45 am
TW,
LMAO
If your brother doesn’t want to go, I’ll take you! I never been to LA.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:47 am
SnB Defense Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 11:36 am
What a joke. People are saying that Flacco could struggle if Mason retires.
Yet, Russell gets no credit for working with Walker, Lelie and Curry.
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Good point!
I’m gonna catch h*ll for this, but I think Walker still has some left in the tank if he gets some timing and confidence….
Go ahead and bash me I’m ready LOL!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:48 am
“Assuming there is no story behind the story, like the time a Raiders draft pick never made it to camp after he got pulled over with a bundle of weed in his trunk, it’s pretty clear all the team’s due diligence and their plan failed with regard to Stryker Sulak”.
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It’s a wasted 6th round pick. But Priest and that other poster get all hysterical with any negative inference toward Al Davis.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:48 am
O, http://www.eolivia.com/
great art. My brother used to sell art & I used to airbrush. We’ll play it by ear, maybe meet you there he drives a 2 seater. We’ll figure something out.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:49 am
O,
LOl, na I’m of at the latest 6:30pm usually 5, but its no bankers hours. 6:45pm – 6:00pm sometimes without a break, but the money’s not bad if you don’t mind a little hard work.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:50 am
6:45am – 6:00pm…. ooops
July 14th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Ok, who was the Draft Pick who got busted with a bundle of weed.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:52 am
At least it wasn’t a dead hooker!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:52 am
KK,
I was expecting Pro Bowl from him too…
July 14th, 2009 at 11:52 am
the chargers will probably pick him up and crush us with him. LOL
July 14th, 2009 at 11:54 am
BS Detector
Rush Limbaugh
LaToya Jackson
Are all the same person.
No need to thank me, just doing my job, yep, yep.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:56 am
Your comment is awaiting moderation
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come on mod. this is really stupid!
July 14th, 2009 at 11:56 am
TW,
I’ve seen her work before, thx for the link.
Do you have a link for your work?
July 14th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
# 70,
If I had to bet, I would say D Russel or MoronB..ch!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Has anyone ever seen Moronb..ch’s work? Is it good?
July 14th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Double K,
Whats poppin bro why every one hate on you all the time you seem to have good stuff to say and people call you out on it??
gettin pretty shilly in here………
PLAYOFF BOUND!!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Why would DHB go work out with a guy who is most likely going to be cut in Danny Southwick. Would you not want to be creating chemistry with the starting QB JAM?
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CJ: that wasn’t even factual. That was a post that I made up yesterday when we were talking about Danny Southwick and his pro potential. everybody who was online yesterday when I posted it knew I was joking. sorry for the confusion. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Southwick make the team though. He has a phenominal arm!
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I read it yesterday and still fell for it. Ouch!!!!!
I need a drink, I think I am going through no football withdrawl.
July 14th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
ODes anyone else get depressed right after basketball season waiting for football season or is it just me. The brews just don’t taste the same watching tennis and I hate baseball with a passion now.
July 14th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
“ODes” of light!!!!
My bad this should be Does.
July 14th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
CJ Legend 34 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 12:26 pm
ODes anyone else get depressed right after basketball season waiting for football season or is it just me. The brews just don’t taste the same watching tennis and I hate baseball with a passion now.
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I’m depressed after week 16!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
I’m gonna catch h*ll for this, but I think Walker still has some left in the tank if he gets some timing and confidence….
Go ahead and bash me I’m ready LOL!
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No bashing needed two very good points the timing/confidence thing…..and lets face we could stand for this guy to contribute this year dnt get me wrong i love DHB/Murphy and JLH is my FAVORITE…but with DHB’s hammy, Murphy’s rawness, And JLH returning punts and being often double teamed or a saftey over the top as our only threat…..we could use this guy to earn some of his money this year!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
…until the draft. then i’m depressed until camp, so on and so-forth. If it wasnt for UFC i’d be a basket case!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Oak,
Schilens is my favorite big time! DHB is raw and so is JLH at WR. Walker is still in good shape if he can get his head straight.
July 14th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
dont forget 81 runs a 4.3 and can stretch the field too…
July 14th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
OAKlifer Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Double K,
Whats poppin bro why every one hate on you all the time you seem to have good stuff to say and people call you out on it??
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I was instrumental in getting this blog registered, and in the process have had a running battle with the Trolls. Evidently I’ve scarred some of them pretty badly.
July 14th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
A Z,
yup Chaz is the man as well I would love for our core of JLH DHB Murphy, and Chaz will be set for years to come not to mention our Stud TE…and our Great running back….paired up with another great force in Bush, along with A young talented rocket arm QB with ALL the intangibles!!!1 Man Kool-aid gettin ready to FLOW!!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
I’ll drink that.
July 14th, 2009 at 12:35 pm
Just keep the damn head coach for a minute!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
I was instrumental in getting this blog registered…
hmmm understood I think regi was good idea tho!!! What do you mean by instrumental?? as in you know Jerry or sent him a bunch of emails?? Just curious…and F the haters Brother they know we like ‘em NO PRESS IS BAD PRESS every time one of those punks pops of in money in the bank for us man!!! Let them keep sayin our name!!!! JUST WIN BABY!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Oh, man. I love you Californians. Even your sports beat writers say “weed”. I’m pretty sure the Dallas Morning News editors wouldn’t let that through. Keepin’ it real out west!
So, who was it that got busted for that anyway?
July 14th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 11:31 am
Why would DHB go work out with a guy who is most likely going to be cut in Danny Southwick. Would you not want to be creating chemistry with the starting QB JAM?
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CJ: that wasn’t even factual. That was a post that I made up yesterday when we were talking about Danny Southwick and his pro potential. everybody who was online yesterday when I posted it knew I was joking.
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Just when you were starting to get lucid you admit to being a poser on the Southwick bandwagon…
At least you didn’t get run over by the wagon like CJ though.
July 14th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
I was instrumental in getting this blog registered
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LOL. and you know this … HOW?
Jerry said he’s been pushing to get it registered for some time. I highly doubt your suggestion was what triggered his request. He probably got tired of having to delete half of all the comments posted under his blog. Either that or the mod wouldn’t stop complaining about it!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
you admit to being a poser on the Southwick bandwagon…
At least you didn’t get run over by the wagon like CJ though.
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LOL! who’s a poser?
Danny Southwick for President of the USA in 3 years!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Chaz is from SDSU, and so is Kirk.
Go Aztecs!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Man, if we could still troll I would definately be using a “Danny Southwick’s Mom” nick…
Andrew’s Mom wasn’t me though.
July 14th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
ROCKET ARM RASBERRY:
Russell to the PROBOWL!!!!!!
Left Tackle Lime:
Henderson 39 Pancakes 1 sack (coverage)
Wiley WR Watermelon:
JLH BREAKOUT PLAYER OF THE YEAR!!!
Murphy O.R.O.Y
HeadCoach Heath/Coconut:
yes chocolate toffe and coconut flavored KoolAid deal wit it!
Cable C.O.Y 10-6 record 5 probowlers tor 5 offense top 15 defense (hey its offensive koolaid)!!!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
RR,
Don’t start the Southwick thing again!
Southwick this, and Southwick that.
Superior Talent!!!
On a mission from God!!
Why 4 diff schools?To showcase his arm!!!
LMAO
July 14th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Raider O Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Chaz is from SDSU, and so is Kirk.
Go Aztecs!!!
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I was waiting for you to say something O…. Cali sports rule baby!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
Man, if we could still troll I would definately be using a “Danny Southwick’s Mom” nick…
Andrew’s Mom wasn’t me though.
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I would be: Bo Schembechler Jackson’s hip
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
Raider O:
to be fair, “On a mission from God!!” was from BSJ …
July 14th, 2009 at 12:50 pm
Raider O Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
RR,
Don’t start the Southwick thing again!
Southwick this, and Southwick that.
Superior Talent!!!
On a mission from God!!
Why 4 diff schools?To showcase his arm!!!
LMAO
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god, allah, who ever they have a plan for this future probowler!!!! thats why the long beatin path to stardom heavin forbid the kid gets every thing handed to him signs a NFL contract and wrecks a Motorcycle…they have a plan and only them and the Shadow know about it……shhhhhhhh
July 14th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Toffee Flavored KoolAide!!!
Now that’s Nasty!!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Oh, man. I love you Californians. Even your sports beat writers say “weed”. I’m pretty sure the Dallas Morning News editors wouldn’t let that through. Keepin’ it real out west!
So, who was it that got busted for that anyway?
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We keep it real here in the EastBay come to this hood you love it I get home sick every day!!!! NO ONE KEEPS IT REAL LIKE THE WEST!!!! 1westmovment check it out!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
I would be: Bo Schembechler Jackson’s hip
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I would be: “rookie’s injured hamstring” or “RaiderTrackstar” (haha) because the Raiders are like a track team out there
July 14th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
I’ll drink it…
July 14th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Raider O Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Toffee Flavored KoolAide!!!
Now that’s Nasty!!
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Hey now!!!!!!! dont knock it till you try it I didnt think I would like sheep but When Dakota took me……..never mind!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Oaklifer,
No kool-aid necessary for the offense. They are going to be good and are going to “surprise” the doubters.
We need extra-flavored kool-aid for this defense.
#1 Flavor: Run Stoppin Tackle Raspberry
#2 Flavor: Blitzin Linebacker Blueberry
#3 Flavor: Defensive End Containin the Edgebery
OH YEAHHHH!!!!!!!1
July 14th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
RR,
My Fav was: to showcase his arm!!!
Still LMAO.
July 14th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Say what?
July 14th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
OAKlifer Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Double K,
Whats poppin bro why every one hate on you all the time you seem to have good stuff to say and people call you out on it??
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I was instrumental in getting this blog registered, and in the process have had a running battle with the Trolls. Evidently I’ve scarred some of them pretty badly.”
Now I know why this blog has gone to sh1t, because of KoolKell’s efforts! Let me get this straight, you couldn’t take the heat so you cried and cried and then cried some more like the b1tch that you are.
That is WEAK KoolKell! Straight up WEAK and you know it!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
I’ll be:
SandMan 24!!
Or
The Lizard King!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Dakota is a straight shooter, unlike KoolSmell, Dude and MR
July 14th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
the sheep Dakota you remember…. anyways bad joke!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
The Lizard King!!
is that a Jim Morrison Reference??
July 14th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Raider O Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
RR,
My Fav was: to showcase his arm!!!
Still LMAO.
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Whats so funny?!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
It all makes sense now.
KoolKell is a WOMAN!
You heard it here first. It explains his constant b1tching, always repeating himself and just being an overall unpleasant nag.
KoolKellie is more like it. Too bad she isn’t a hottie, then maybe she wouldn’t seem to be on the rag 24/7!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
SnB Defense Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Oaklifer,
No kool-aid necessary for the offense. They are going to be good and are going to “surprise” the doubters.
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Good to hear brother!!
Your right!! and our Defense NEEDS to step it up big time hopefully the marshall plan works wonders but im more intrested in Sands and Warrens fat a$$’s getting something done…I like our Secondary situation with huff there we will be fine two rooks and two vets!! Corners should be fine!! but as far as the front 7 goes WE HAVE GOT TO GET SOMETHING going !!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
OAK,
Goats are better!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
BSJ,
Nothing sir!! I’m glad that the meds are working well!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
You heard it here first. It explains his constant b1tching, always repeating himself and just being an overall unpleasant nag.
dnt think Double K, applies to this but common in most women!!!!! I love it!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
KoolKellie is a WOMAN. There is no doubt about it.
Anyone that would admit to being a snitch HAS to be a woman. Or at least a total douchebag if he actually is a man, which I highly doubt.
July 14th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
OAK,
I’m the true Lizard King!! Who is Jim?
July 14th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Raider O Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
OAK,
Goats are better!!
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Not fer eatin boy fer sleepin…….my best deliverence voice!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
KoolKellie has been exposed as the WOMAN she is. Why you would pretend to be a man? The only way you could get any respect, which you still couldn’t do pretending to be a man. LMAO.
She won’t be posting for a while, she’s tripping that her secret has been revealed!
LMAO
July 14th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Who is Jim?
the lizard king Jim Morrison
“I cant beleive he said it he said higher on tv”
true RocknRoll legend!!!!
(support local hiphop)
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
BS Detector Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
It all makes sense now.
KoolKell is a WOMAN!
You heard it here first. It explains his constant b1tching, always repeating himself and just being an overall unpleasant nag.
KoolKellie is more like it. Too bad she isn’t a hottie, then maybe she wouldn’t seem to be on the rag 24/7!
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Does this guy have anything “Raiders” to say? Get outta here dude! No one want to here your whining about other people on this blog. I’m not defending KK, I’m just saying it’s 4th grade stuff brother, this is a Raider blog.
July 14th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Jim Morrison Lead singer of The Doors………..
“Seeing the naked indains a$$ was a little much but…”
July 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
[...] Read more. [...]
July 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
I like Van Morrison’s music better
July 14th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
I’m not defending KK,
I will and AL DAVIS and Our beloved Raiduuuuuhs…..To any and all haters…..bring it every time you say our name we chip up!!!!! keep up the good work!!!!
Will we have a new Starting LB this year….in a 4-3 scheme….and what if any is the % of 3-4 we run this year????
any thoughtS???
July 14th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
OAK,
Dude!! I was playing!! I love The Doors.
July 14th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
George Carlin bumpersticker:
We have a son in public school who hasn’t been shot yet. And he sells drugs to your f#ckin’ honor student.
July 14th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
I like Van Morrison’s music better
Now thats good taste!!!!
“hey were did we go on days when the rain came”
hmmmm…..that beat would be cool to sample!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
OAK,
That’s what I meant!! Goats are better!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
…when the party’s over, turn out the lights….
July 14th, 2009 at 1:26 pm
O,
Figured as much Jim was/is a genious in body mind and spirit!!! Fasho
George Carlin bumpersticker:
We have a son in public school who hasn’t been shot yet. And he sells drugs to your f#ckin’ honor student.
Where can I buy 100 of these!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
139 LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!! good sh!t bro!!!! I always knew you brothers from another motha was crazy!!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
did every shill/hater/troll make there apperance today??? I love it!!! they cant get enough!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
OAKlifer Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
did every shill/hater/troll make there apperance today??? I love it!!! they cant get enough!!!
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Just need Coach on Wheels to make a post…
July 14th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
TW,
LMAO
That dude is funny!! I’ve seen gm a few times on HBO. Good stuff!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
Just need Coach on Wheels to make a post…
Hey now COW seems to be a stand up dude checks in every once in a while with good stuff to say did I miss something or did he fool me????
July 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Oak,
I don’t know, there was a thread a few days ago, I was getting into it with him on. Had nothing but negative stuff to say about everyone here and on the roster…
Maybe I caught him on a bad day…
July 14th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
I watched him …!!
I live in all time zones, its always 4:20pm!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Jerry – It isn’t an issue of panic. In fact, the people who were talking up Sulak and other non-factor players are now saying Sulak was no biggie.
The issue is a poor team needs to add talent. The terrible Run D needs help. The Raiders have done NOTHING to address these issues with personnel moves.
Correct me if I’m wrong but the Raiders traded the rights to Ron Brace a run stuffing DT to NE for two players – Mitchell and Sulak. It isn’t just an issue of Sulak doing great elsewhere. It is an issue of Mitchell / Sulak outperforming Brace. If they don’t the Raiders blew it. Since the media and lowly bloggers alike called for the drafting of Brace, the team can’t say it was “just one of those things”.
These kind of terrible trades and drafts and FA moves are why this team lacks talent. Real talent, not blogger “Morrison is a pro bowler” fantasy talent.
July 14th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
AZ Raider Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Oak,
I don’t know, there was a thread a few days ago, I was getting into it with him on. Had nothing but negative stuff to say about everyone here and on the roster…
Maybe I caught him on a bad day…
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maybe we all have those he is VERY critical about Al davis and or coaching staff but at this point we all are but just beleive more than others….but hmm we never know he just seems like one to leave off the list IMHO (what ever thats worth)
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
OAKlifer Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
I like Van Morrison’s music better
Now thats good taste!!!!
“hey were did we go on days when the rain came”
hmmmm…..that beat would be cool to sample!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!!
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I heartily concur. I’ve got over 30 Van Morrison CDs…sublime.
July 14th, 2009 at 1:43 pm
ahhh COW now you can settle this….
first of all good day to you my friend!! yes I dish out the “fantasy” koolaid but im not afriad to drink it either!
I was just telling my boy A Z that ur a stand up guy who knows his raiders and was just very critical not a shill/troll is this a true asesment??
and I assume when you say lowly bloggers you either included yur self or excluded 95% of the AM crew is that safe to assume aswell??
PLAYOOFBOUND!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
OAK,
Not one to take sides OAK, just how I saw it that day. Its one thing to be critical and another to bash people for having some positive things to say. The above post for example. Its obvious the stratagy AD is taking to beef up the offense in the draft (3 years running skill positions: QB, RB, WR). The type of defensive help we need is 1st round talent and I’d assume AD will draft defense 1st round in the next few drafts. Can’t tell COW that though. We had that agument see, and I was a Koolaid drinker….
July 14th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
What current NFL defense are the Raiders most trying to become like? Serious question.
Do you see this defense as being a physical one as its currently constructed? I understand camp hasn’t started yet.
July 14th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
and I was a Koolaid drinker….
understood!!! I get that alot being the server and all!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
SnB Defense Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
What current NFL defense are the Raiders most trying to become like? Serious question.
Do you see this defense as being a physical one as its currently constructed? I understand camp hasn’t started yet.
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I’d like to see a 3-4 scheme… Sorry guys, it take even longer to get better to completely change our system, but IMO it mean more wins over 10 years.
July 14th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
10 mins and my day is done love to get of work hate to leave the NATION this is my sports fix for every day not much a baseball guy after the C world series that is only so much tennis a guy can watch well from on job th the other off to the studio where the real $$$ is made!!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!
WE ALL ON NATION PEEPS!!!!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
*from one job to the other* spell check
July 14th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
Good talkin OAK, and yes we are!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
It is not all negative but I’m not drinking kool aid either -
Off season report card-
Re-hire Cable (A)
Re-sign Aso (A++)
Re-sign Lechler (A)
Re-sign CJ (A+)
Marshall DC (C) – Ryan had to go. Marshall did OK in Seattle but will he be allowed to coach under Al?
Draft DHB #7 (c) WR a need but DHB is alot like JLH plus he could’ve been had much later
Trade Ron Brace for Mitchell & Sulak (D-)
IMPROVE THE RUN D (F) ZERO Run D additions to the front 7. Cable’s “Its not the players or system” garbage sounds EXACTLY like Rob Ryan.
Barnes RT (B)
New Center (B-)
Blocking TE’s (B)
All and all it has been a decent offseason. The problem is if you want to turn around a team this bad you need a GREAT offseason.
July 14th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Peace A Z!!
later nation!!!! O, BSJ, COW, S&B, later fellas!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
All and all it has been a decent offseason. The problem is if you want to turn around a team this bad you need a GREAT offseason.
Toast to that!!!! or ALOT of decent ones!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Real talent, not blogger “Morrison is a pro bowler” fantasy talent.
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Kirk Morrison is a good football player. too bad Rob Ryan always had him floating back in some sort of coverage/zone role. He should have been attacking the line of scrimmage. busting up RB’s in the backfield
Kirk is a Raider at heart and a professional. gets tons of tackles year in & year out. I think Marshall, Board & Haluchek will make him a better player. Kirk himself said that he sees himself as the next Lofa Tatupu (3 time Pro Bowler MLB for Seattle under these coaches).
July 14th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
# Florida Pete Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:56 am
it’s still a wasted pick to complement a goofy draft…
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right on!
July 14th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
peace Double R its 2 for me thought you was gone!!!!Til 2marrow!!!!
Kirk is a Raider at heart
I’LL DRINK TO THAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
July 14th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
What exactly is a “hater”? Sometimes you just have to sit back and ask yourself what is it that I am supporting? Am I supporting Al Davis? Am I supporting the Oakland Raiders? Am I supporting both? (contrary to popular belief Al Davis is not the Raiders…the Raiders were here before Al Davis, and they will be here long after he is gone).
I am not trying to sway anyone one way or the other, but in my view the Oakland Raiders are the number one priority, and the main obstacle sitting in their way of winning is the guy that has managed to field, for the first time in NFL history, a team that has had double digit loses for 6 consecutive seasons. And frankly, Al hasn’t had much success over the past 25 years (unless, of course, you are one of those sad fans that are now comparing the Oakland Raiders to the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions and Arizona Cardinals…just proves my point even more…how far the mighty have fallen) by his standards.
In my opinion Al Davis is an ICON that can’t let go, even though part of him probably knows he doesn’t have it anymore (the late, great Upshaw even said Davis called him a few years back seemingly fishing for some help running the Raiders). I would love to see Al raise the trophy once more, but it just is not going to happen until he steps back and lets someone else run the team.
The only scary part of that thought is the fact that Al would be the one hiring the GM, and he hasn’t exactly blown anyone away with his human resource skills the past ten years or so. But if he managed to hire a decent GM I think things would really take off….imagine a GM that had a clue combined with Al’s willingness to spend his money…it could be magic. But old Al can’t do it…
Al took the Raiders to the top, now he is dragging them to depths never seen by an NFL franchise…but the Raiders will survive it…they will go on without Al and hopefully succeed once again. Now is the time to just sit back and ride out the end.
Does this make me a “hater”? I really don’t care, as I see those that support a GM that has trashed the franchise as traitors to the Raiders…I guess it depends on a person’s priorities…do they lie with the Raiders or with Al Davis?
July 14th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Hey OAK!
Yes I’m a lowly blogger myself which saddens me. Really the so-called professionals should make better moves and show more insight than us simple folk.
I drink my kool aid on Sunday but I’ve been a Raider fan enough decades to know the difference between kool aid and the pi$$ the team has been serving lately. When I set off fireworks in the street after the SB win in Jan of 84 the kool aid tasted good.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Coach on Wheels Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
It is not all negative but I’m not drinking kool aid either -
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Nice post. With that I’ll start a new with ya COW. Patience. Hopefully we start getting that RUN D some 1st round talent in our next draft. I agree with everything but one thing you mentioned if I may…
Draft DHB #7 (c) WR a need but DHB is alot like JLH plus he could’ve been had much later
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JLH = 5′10″ 4.4 speed and decent hands super raw route running.
DHB = 6′2″ 4.3 speed and great hands (dont care what Sannon Sharp says, my boy is a MD fan and said he catches everything), raw route running. Needs work but, lets say he breaks out year 3.
I do agree we could have traded back and picked up another pick, but who’s to say we didnt try and couldnt get anyone to bite. you still take the top guy on your board right?
July 14th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
Coach on Wheels Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Jerry – It isn’t an issue of panic. In fact, the people who were talking up Sulak and other non-factor players are now saying Sulak was no biggie.
The issue is a poor team needs to add talent. The terrible Run D needs help. The Raiders have done NOTHING to address these issues with personnel moves.
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absolutely! i said this in the previous thread, you just said more eloquently… thanks!
July 14th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
COW…
post 165…. bwaahahahhahaa LOL good stuff, and so right =)
July 14th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
—”Patience. Hopefully we start getting that RUN D some 1st round talent in our next draft. I agree with everything but one thing you mentioned if I may…”—
well that means we waste tons of money on a 1at rounder, when we could have used it on a 3rd rounder as Ron Brace…
We needed Oline support and DT’s THIS SEASON, why wast 2 picks on DE/OLBs
so more or less we have folded this season already by this years draft day… in one word PATHETIC… I starting to wish for us to have Matt Millen as GM….nah, not really =)
July 14th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
Morrison is a decent MLB. The problem is being “a true Raider” etc only goes so far. Fargas is a true Raider. The RB is every bit the hub of the Run Offense that the MLB is of the Run Defense.
Since our Run O is far better than our Run D it makes more sense to talk up Fargas than Morrison. In reality Fargas is an ideal back-up and Morrison is a WLB. The fact that Howard plays WLB doesn’t magicly make Morrison a run stuffing MLB. Those fantasies lead to “scholarship players” and losses on Sunday.
I like Morison and his story but I don’t like watching the Bolts run over him all day.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
peace Double R its 2 for me thought you was gone!!!!Til 2marrow!!!!
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see ya OAKlifer. have a great day bro!
July 14th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Later OAK, I enjoyed reading your posts as always.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
well that means we waste tons of money on a 1at rounder, when we could have used it on a 3rd rounder as Ron Brace…
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Regardless, your spending money on 1st round picks every year. Dont think the NFL lets you give them away. Don’t know if Brace is the next Ray Lewis anyway, but we’ll find out right?
July 14th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
I love him too COW but your right there, he’s out of position (but our best option) in the middle.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
The fact that Howard plays WLB doesn’t magicly make Morrison a run stuffing MLB. Those fantasies lead to “scholarship players” and losses on Sunday.
I like Morison and his story but I don’t like watching the Bolts run over him all day.
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the MLB is only as good as your D-Line allows him to be. ask Ray Lewis. S&B was preaching about this prior to the draft. it doesn’t help that Rob Ryan put him in position to fail when it comes to stopping the run …
when your MLB drifts back into coverage/zone at the snap, he recognizes a handoff and here comes the FB or C (neither of which were even slowed down by the D-Line) putting a helmet in his chest or maybe the RB cuts and runs with a full head of steam at Morrison, who has no momentum and is forced to either take a bad angle or get trucked
July 14th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
Hey AZ
I agree that you draft the guy you want. I’m not knocking the pick. I said pre-draft if Mack was at the top you take him #7 if you couldn’t trade back.
The reason I only say it is a C so far is DHB is likely a SLIGHT upgrade over JLH whereas we need MAJOR upgrades for Sands, DE, SLB and/or MLB if you move Morrison outside. It is not a knock on DHB.
Just like it isn’t a knock on Mitchell to say you draft a DT to stop the run – not a back-up SS.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
Good point RR.
What we all have in common. We all know the Raiders need help with the DL. Problem is, we can’t do much to impact that right now. Gonna have to see another year of it and hope our offense puts up enough points to force passes.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
KoolKellie is still afraid to show her face.
What a biyotch just like AZ Whiner
July 14th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
I agree Rockstar – See my “we should’ve drafted DT” ramblings. In 2006 when Sands had his only decent year and Sapp could still play, Ryan had Morrison playing Run first because teams never passed. Peter King graded Morrison out as a top MLB.
Since then Sands is a waste and Kelly has more hype than hit. Kelly needs to step up and the Raiders should’ve brought in a run stuffing DT! Ugh!
Go REALLY old school – “A fool builds his (run D) on the Sand(s).” – paraphrased from the Bible
July 14th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
I know coach, but like I said earlier, it appears that Davis wanted his skill positions taken care of. Alot of successfull teams (an I already know what you’ll say: “We’re not successful”), draft that way. 3 years ago we needed…..
QB
RB
WR
DT
SS
CB
MLB
OLB
on and on and on and on… We were terrible in all areas. We knocked out the top 3 in three years. It takes time. I know its been a fiasco, but i see SOME logic…
July 14th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
The Raiders had 87 players on their roster and they need to pare it down to 80 by training camp. Now they have 86 with the release of Sulak so who’s next?
Should they cut an established player or a player that isn’t under contract and hasn’t shown a thing worth mentioning? Whomever it may be, they are talented enough players to be considered NFL caliber at one point. So whomever the Raiders cut is going to be considered wasted talent.
I still can’t believe that so many people are reeling over Sulak getting cut. It seemed necessary to me.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
In 2006 when Sands had his only decent year and Sapp could still play, Ryan had Morrison playing Run first because teams never passed.
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teams didn’t HAVE to pass. they ran the ball down our throats! our run defense was terrible in 2006. the pass defense was good because it was rarely tested. Teams could have abused Fabian Washington, Stanford Routt or Stuart Schweigert in coverage. Asomugha had his breakout season and Huff the rookie was solid. Sands & Sapp were never dominant against the run (in ANY season) for the Raiders. Rob Ryan never had a run defense ranked higher than 20th in 5 years, despite different personnel along the defensive front seven …
July 14th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
The Raiders had 87 players on their roster and they need to pare it down to 80 by training camp. Now they have 86 with the release of Sulak so who’s next?
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Nick Miller, Shawn Bayes, Jerome Boyd, Desmond Bryant, Frantz Joseph, David Nixon …
Dogg: does that include injured players who have not been placed on PUP or IR (yet) ?
July 14th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
Well
I think I was instrumental in getting this blog registered. I copied and sent a bunch of hateful Posts here to the management, above Jerry, KTVU, KPIX. I think I helped Jerry make his case. And the hate spewed here after Marquis Cooper tragedy, didn’t hurt either. Shortly thereafter registration came.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
RR
Does not include PUP players
July 14th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Now
I’m going to practice Aug 6 in Napa with the Alameda Chamber of Commerce. $70 per. Join me, and whatever you little trolls have on your chest, you can get it off then.
At your service
KoolKell.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
So is there going to be such an uproar when everyone inconsequential is cut?
July 14th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
KK
prett lame questioned you asked me last night
July 14th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Matt Cassel signed a 6 year contract in KC today …
it might take him that long to pull that team out of the gutter! haha
July 14th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
I know you can do better
July 14th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 13th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
My point is the very same thing happened to Raheem Brock with the Eagles yet it was never considered newsworthy.
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If it wasn’t newsworthy, how did you find out about it?”
I know that you are smarter than this Kell. It’s called research. You think I remember that from 7 years ago? Come on man.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
If you had to pick between Cassel and Russell today, who would you take as QB for the Raiders?
I think I would stick with Russell…Cassel played well last year, but he had some pretty good talent around him whereas Russell is saddled with Tom Cable and crew.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Russell
July 14th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Krappy, this is exactly the point. Here you are spending your golden years – or, more appropriately, your sunburned years – copy and pasting posts and taking credit for things you didn’t do.
Wouldn’t you be much happier just relaxing your delusional minds in a comfortable retirement facility – one WITHOUT internet access?
There you can crap your pants to your heart’s content, watch the games with all your real cronies and wander around preaching about made up stuff all you like. Plus you won’t be judged or ridiculed for being old wacky self!
And as a bonues, it’ll give your wife plenty of free time to find a man to finally satisfy her.
Think about it, Krappy – the little blue bus can be there within minutes.
July 14th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Lamar Odom visited the Warriors today in LA. They took him to Catalina for a sit down, must be pushing very hard to sign this guy…
July 14th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
“If it wasn’t newsworthy, how did you find out about it?”
With that logic only things that are deemed “newsworthy” are available in this Information Age? I know you are familiar with Google no?
July 14th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Tom friggin’ Cable! I am still in shock that he is our HC, lol,…..hopefully he took his anti-Fargas medicine in the offseason…jezuz. And hopefully McFadden diagramed some more goal-line plays for the poor guy…
July 14th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Dogg, don’t utter such lies!!!!!! Odom is dumb and greedy, but he ain’t that dumb, lol….shoot maybe he is that dumb!
July 14th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Wow, new day, same dog, same ol trick.
I guess B!tcHam’s love for KK will never die.
July 14th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
hmmm I didnt know that Ray lewis was a DT =)
July 14th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
see you fellas tomorrow!
July 14th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
is this site effed up again?
July 14th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Dakota,
Yeah, I am a little concerned about Cable’s reliance on his “leaders”.
There is nothing wrong with leadership…in factits very necessary. But leadership and talent have to go hand in hand.
I am concerned. Garcia, Fargas, Warren, Eugene, Boschetti….all guys that have great work ethic/leadership but limited talent. Unlike Little League, you can’t win on inspiratino alone.
The Raiders need to be unapologetic on getting the best players on the field. This isn’t little league and life isn’t fair.
Hopefully Cable realizes that TALENT saved his job!
July 14th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Now
I’m going to practice Aug 6 in Napa with the Alameda Chamber of Commerce. $70 per. Join me, and whatever you little trolls have on your chest, you can get it off then.
At your service
KoolKell.
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KK, if you get that b!tcHam guy to go let me know, I will be happy to join yall!!
July 14th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Dogg, we’ll do a sign and trade…Odom and Farmar for Ivan Drago and Ellis (plus some assorted junk to make the contracts work).
July 14th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Dakota
One of these days I’ll get you. That was straight from the school of Dakota.
I can only hope he would be that dumb.
In othe news, how will The Answer and The Beard co-exist?
July 14th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Drago is the man, still leads the league in Hair Gel. Ellis ain’t going anywhere. Drago may be expendable if a big man is involved.
July 14th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
You don’t need Ellis, you have Curry at PG! Or is Curry one of those overrated small shooting guards like Ben Gordon?
July 14th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Dakota
I surmised through the various posts that you have a new addition to your family. Congratulations my friend. It won’t be long until Dakota Jr will have his hands on the keyboard, talking Raiders, Lakers, Cubs and Michigan Wolverine Football!
What, do you think he’s going to like all of your teams?
July 14th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Ellis is a 2 by trade, Nellie pushed him into the 1 role after The Beard left. Ellis is a shooter by nature and he looks to that first before creating for others. Curry may be running the point with Ellis at 2.
July 14th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Anyone but Michigan!
July 14th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Thanks Dogg…
July 14th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
Hey, it’s the Lady Raccoon! I guess she’s taking a break from watching Grease and imagining she’s in a tough gang.
Lady, I’m glad you’re reaching out to Krappy so you two can cry on eachother’s shoulders. It must be hard trying to act so tough when you’re really just a little lady who cries uncontrollably whenever she sees a tampon commercial.
I’m totally looking forward to seeing this unexpected friendship blossom between the senile old goat and the delicate female flower!
July 14th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
F**K UP Beeecham…. I’m sick of you trolls coming in here just to talk sh*t. You and BS talk to eachother on the previous thread unless you have some Raiders to talk…
July 14th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
alright…. too much basketball and b*tches. tty tomorrow.
July 14th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Well said AZ!!
July 14th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
AZ, you don’t have to try to be a big man and stand up for that chick the Lady Raccoon. Let me guess, you just drank a 6 pack of Red Bull while beating off to UFC 100 and you’re all pumped up and sweaty?
Anyway, I haven’t decided whether or not I want to let you keep posting on my blog, so stay tuned for my decision.
July 14th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Dakota Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
What exactly is a “hater”? Sometimes you just have to sit back and ask yourself what is it that I am supporting? Am I supporting Al Davis? Am I supporting the Oakland Raiders? Am I supporting both? (contrary to popular belief Al Davis is not the Raiders…the Raiders were here before Al Davis, and they will be here long after he is gone).
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Dakota, that post was well articulated.
If I had posted it, hayesDaze would have worked himself into an hysterical hissy fit.
July 14th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
The Raiders had 87 players on their roster and they need to pare it down to 80 by training camp. Now they have 86 with the release of Sulak so who’s next?
Should they cut an established player or a player that isn’t under contract and hasn’t shown a thing worth mentioning? Whomever it may be, they are talented enough players to be considered NFL caliber at one point. So whomever the Raiders cut is going to be considered wasted talent.
I still can’t believe that so many people are reeling over Sulak getting cut. It seems necessary to me.
July 14th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Frantz Joseph waived!
July 14th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
We waive back…
July 14th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
“This once prestigious franchise has become the irrelevant team of the league. It has all started from the top of the organization in Al Davis.
Al Davis better be going senile to have as an excuse, or his idiotic personnel moves between coaches and players will make him be viewed as the worst GM in NFL history.
Ever since the Super Bowl defeat in 2002 the Raiders have experienced horrible football. Davis has been the key to their struggles to say the least.
An example would be the mass number of coaches he has hired and fired for different reasons in a short period of time.
The hiring of Lane Kiffin, most think it was a good move. Wrong! As a GM you should have a floor plan of how you want to win. As we all know Al Davis likes to win with speed and a deep passing attack.
Well guess what, the coach he hired does not believe in that philosophy to win, which was what lead Kiffin to an early dismissal when he didn’t want JaMarcus Russell.
So in the interview process did Al Davis have his headphones in his ears while Kiffin talked about how he believed was the way to win. It’s just plain stupidity to hire a coach who doesn’t share the same idea of how to go about winning as you.”
July 14th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
It’s not about Sulak, it’s about wasting a pick. Damn!
July 14th, 2009 at 3:59 pm
“This is not the only time this decade that Al Davis has hired a coach with a completely different view on how to structure a team. Art Shall was another mistake to say the least.
Maybe Davis wanted to match his counter part Dan Snyder when he brought back Gibbs. Whatever the reason, Shall was from the era where they played defense and ran the ball all the time.
What did Davis think he was going to do?
Those two short years Shall coached were some of the worst football I’ve seen in my life.”
July 14th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
KoolKell
EVERY CUT is a wasted pick one way or the other, so what is your point exactly? Damn! Like I said ALL TEAMS must be down to 80 by training camp with 85 now on the roster (Frantz Joseph waived). What don’t you understand?
July 14th, 2009 at 4:02 pm
Now Davis has Tom Cable who may not always abide by the deep throw, but does it enough to keep Davis entertained. Cable has started to improve the team where he can especially with the o-line.
The Raiders may look to have one of the best rushing teams in the league this season. We will see if the Davis disease kicks in after next season and fires Cable just to set the Raiders back another decade.
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Interesting reading, don’t you think?
July 14th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
Forget it Dogg. I think it’s obvious to those who are open-minded.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:04 pm
KK
I never read your posts when all you do is lift someone else’s thoughts. You have an interesting, be it skewed, perspective. Try using it.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
KK
My mind is wide open, always has been. I just tell it like it is while you dance around the subject.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Facts not opinion.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
All NFL teams must be cut down to 80 players by training camp: FACT
Raiders have 85 players on roster after cutting 2 players: FACT
Every player cut in the NFL is a wasted pick unless undrafted to begin with: FACT
How much easier can I make this for you?
Before you rely on your tried and true Al Davis nonsense, I am talking about ALL TEAMS. My point has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with Al.
Maybe you should open YOUR mind. You seem pretty stubborn overall.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Sulak was no big deal but Frantz Joseph!
This team is being dismantled, who’s next Southwick?
July 14th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
KK
Bottom line is I ain’t mad at you, but we disagree on this point obviously.
I tend to see things as black and white, cut 7 players that should be cut by training camp, instead of the grey area of emotion about a wasted pick.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:14 pm
Frantz CANNOT be a wasted pick, he was an Undrafted FA.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Twocents Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Sulak was no big deal but Frantz Joseph!
This team is being dismantled, who’s next Southwick?
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Geez, I hope not…. WTF?
July 14th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
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The “Holy Roller”: 1-877-482-5050
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“Wheatly won’t go down”. 1-877-934-5050
These are all toll free, and only takes a few minutes.
The “Holy Roller” call is one of Bill King’s best.
Would have been nice to have, the “Sea of Hands”. call on there to.
Enjoy….
July 14th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Cassel just got $15 to play this yr. Only Schaub is making more in the NFL!!!!
How does that make you feel about about JR’s contract?