Sulak official, Joseph waived
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, July 14th, 2009 at 4:15 pm in Oakland Raiders.
In addition to waiving sixth-round draft pick Stryker Sulak, the Raiders have cut undrafted free agent linebacker Frantz Joseph, according to the transactions page on Raiders.com.
Joseph was well down the depth chart during mandatory minicamp and OTA practices attended by the media and appeared to lack the quickness the Raiders want in their linebackers.
Meanwhile, David Nixon, an undrafted free agent out of BYU, worked with the second team at weakside linebacker and Chris O’Neill,an undrafted free agent out of Boise State, was asked to switch from tight end to linebacker by coach Tom Cable and owner Al Davis.
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July 14th, 2009 at 4:16 pm
KK
Before you say it, Frantz CANNOT be a wasted pick, he was an Undrafted FA.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
twocents reported this well ahead of you Jerry.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:21 pm
Not really unexpected. Frantz Joseph was a good story and I wish him luck.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
“Why feed them if they won’t win for you?” as quoted from Michael Vick.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
What up Fellas, long time, no post. 6th round draft picks usually hit the scrap heap at some point.
Moreso with UDFA. That is the reality. To assign some sort of system failure over these moves is biased at least.
I’m ready for training camp and all of the stories that will flow from it. Peace.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
POST OF THE DAY!!!
Dakota Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
What exactly is a “hater”? Sometimes you just have to sit back and ask yourself what is it that I am supporting? Am I supporting Al Davis? Am I supporting the Oakland Raiders? Am I supporting both? (contrary to popular belief Al Davis is not the Raiders…the Raiders were here before Al Davis, and they will be here long after he is gone).
I am not trying to sway anyone one way or the other, but in my view the Oakland Raiders are the number one priority, and the main obstacle sitting in their way of winning is the guy that has managed to field, for the first time in NFL history, a team that has had double digit loses for 6 consecutive seasons. And frankly, Al hasn’t had much success over the past 25 years (unless, of course, you are one of those sad fans that are now comparing the Oakland Raiders to the Cleveland Browns, Detroit Lions and Arizona Cardinals…just proves my point even more…how far the mighty have fallen) by his standards.
In my opinion Al Davis is an ICON that can’t let go, even though part of him probably knows he doesn’t have it anymore (the late, great Upshaw even said Davis called him a few years back seemingly fishing for some help running the Raiders). I would love to see Al raise the trophy once more, but it just is not going to happen until he steps back and lets someone else run the team.
The only scary part of that thought is the fact that Al would be the one hiring the GM, and he hasn’t exactly blown anyone away with his human resource skills the past ten years or so. But if he managed to hire a decent GM I think things would really take off….imagine a GM that had a clue combined with Al’s willingness to spend his money…it could be magic. But old Al can’t do it…
Al took the Raiders to the top, now he is dragging them to depths never seen by an NFL franchise…but the Raiders will survive it…they will go on without Al and hopefully succeed once again. Now is the time to just sit back and ride out the end.
Does this make me a “hater”? I really don’t care, as I see those that support a GM that has trashed the franchise as traitors to the Raiders…I guess it depends on a person’s priorities…do they lie with the Raiders or with Al Davis?
July 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
Does anyone know anything about Will Franklin? Is he camp fodder like I think he is, or is he something more than that?
July 14th, 2009 at 4:29 pm
I admit that I root for the low round and undrafted rookies. Now if Reece is cut, it will break my heart.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
Dakota is one intelligent guy, thanks for reminding me.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
“This year, bookmakers have set the Raiders’ season win total at 5.5 (Over -140, Under +110), accepting the fact that even if they believe the Raiders will win six games, the betting public is going to pound the under regardless, so they might as well set the line accordingly. With an extra year of experience under the young offense’s belt and a head coach that they got to know last year still on board, a one win improvement seems pretty realistic to me.”
July 14th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
KK
I would be more impressed if you could formulate your own thoughts instead of relying on others.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
This place is going to rock when we waive Mike Mitchell, lol.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
lmao
July 14th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Now that WOULD be a waste…
July 14th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
No sh1t
July 14th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Dogg, do you really think my objectives are to impress you? really?
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The offense is led by the vastly underrated QB Jamarcus Russell, who managed a 13 to 8 TD to INT ratio last year despite having one of (if not the) worst WR cores in the league and playing in his first full season and going through a coaching change in the middle of it. How you get labeled a bust through all that is beyond me. Behind him he has an excellent RB core including Darren McFadden and Michael Bush, and TE Zach Miller and WR Johnny Lee Higgins emerged through the darkness last year as well. This raw young offense has had a year to play together and develop, and it should pay huge dividends, as they showed flashes of what they were capable of in late wins over Houston and Tampa Bay last season
July 14th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
folks have been acting as if it WAS Mitchell.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
Dogg, do you really think my objectives are to impress you? really?”
Actually yes, and you are failing miserably.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
#6. Yep. I would wiki edit this to say that Al Davis set the bar so high with his prior success, that those of us that witnessed it have been disapointed to say the least.
Fot balance however, the Raiders did have a nice run under Gruden.
The subseqeuent years reek of AL graspiong at straws to be relevent immediately.
Hopefully, Al has regained His sense of balance, and allows for this roster of very promising youngsters, to develope under Cable.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
KK
You do have a sense of humor right? Just checking…
July 14th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
“I can see the Raiders winning three of their six in-division games. Be it a sweep of either the Broncos/Chiefs and one win against the other, or grabbing an upset against San Diego, I don’t think the Raiders are substantially worse than the Chiefs/Broncos in 2009. So looking at the remaining ten games on the schedule, I have it broken down as follows;
Good chance to win: New York Jets, Cincinnati, @Cleveland
Good chance to lose: @Houston, Philadelphia, Washington
WILL lose: @New York Giants, @Pittsburgh, @Dallas, Baltimore”
July 14th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
later fellas
July 14th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
have a good one Dakota
July 14th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Later Dakota.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
# EndZoner Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
“Why feed them if they won’t win for you?” as quoted from Michael Vick.
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Bwahahahahaahhaa funny shyt =) well I assume a football player eats for more doe than a dogg =)
July 14th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
waive Shaughnersee! come on AL, do it =) LOL
July 14th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 4:45 pm
waive Shaughnersee! come on AL, do it =) LOL
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What up LMN, Ya, and after they do that, they can sign Robiskie/or Brace after He/They have been waived.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
KK…
thanks for reposting Dakotas post, good stuff, and its exactly how i feel…
July 14th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
#6. Why the **** do these Davis bashing A holes always forget our millenium AFC Championship appearances?
“Haven’t done anything in the last 25 years” my azz…
Davis IS the Raiders and the fact you don’t know that speaks volumes.
The pass rush cover D is a prime example of how this is still Davis’s team.
I’d like it if all the Davis haters would kindly eat a gihugic bowl of **** when we make the play offs in the next 2 years.
Wonder if they’ll bish about Al when we’re back on the winning iside again or band wagon on with those of us who’ve never swayed.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Frantz Joesph cut? NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Get ready to say good bye, to Andrew and the back up Punter, Whathizname.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
RaiderLEN…
LOL, not Robiskie/ or Brace….Robiskie AND Brace…LOL
July 14th, 2009 at 4:53 pm
1-877-419-5050
July 14th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
KK…
thanks for reposting Dakotas post, good stuff, and its exactly how i feel…”
Dakota has a way of doing that…
July 14th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
LMN
Have you checked out Dub Side of the Moon yet?
July 14th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
“Davis IS the Raiders and the fact you don’t know that speaks volumes.”
LOL, no its not, Al MADE the raiders what it was in the good days and what they are now in the bad days…
The Raiders is the team the organization…. if the raiders were Al, would that mean when he dies we close down the franchise, say thanks to goodell and the rest of the NFL? nah, dont think so, the raiders will go even stronger, to say Al is the raiders is ludicrous… think about it… its like saying you are your father, and that would mean you would die when he is gone????? nahh, come on, man…
July 14th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
-dogg…
yeah! and i find it funny and good, and quite blasphemous =)
July 14th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
LMN
Me too. Otherwise the players have no ownership of the product, and no motivation to become a part of the product.
July 14th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
909…
LOL, if they cut Southwick, we’re really effed =)
July 14th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
-dogg…
yeah! and i find it funny and good, and quite blasphemous =)”
Sweet, I am glad you are able to appreciate and enjoy it. I had a feeling that you might. I have heard that the guys from Floyd really liked it as well and were “quite honored actually”.
July 14th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
-Dogg…
LOL, great, I would have expected that of them as well, they have great humor =)
July 14th, 2009 at 5:01 pm
*yawn…*
July 14th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Yo lmn my ip is still banned. And the mod is still gay
July 14th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
408…
dammit! dont pt up with it =)
well good to have ya here, even if its your phone =)
July 14th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
So much for all those people who THOUGHT that Franz Joseph would actually challenge Morrison for the MLB.
LOL
July 14th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
I like Franz Joseph’s story by the way. Talk about integrity. Hope he catches on somewhere else.
Chris O’Neil must be some type of athlete. Hope he shows something in camp.
July 14th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
LOL, no its not, Al MADE the raiders what it was in the good days and what they are now in the bad days…
The Raiders is the team the organization…. if the raiders were Al, would that mean when he dies we close down the franchise, say thanks to goodell and the rest of the NFL? nah, dont think so, the raiders will go even stronger…
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Wow, LMN — You were mostly correct for once! Well put.
Although Al is THE owner most closely-identified with HIS team, the Raiders most certainly will endure when the Old Man leaves us for the real Big Game.
The problem lies in where you say “the Raiders will go on even stronger.”
Even stronger than what? The last 6-years? Looks like we’re on the cusp of that happening…even with Al still in charge. Hopefully, anyway.
Stronger than Al’s CAREER record? That’s ludicrous. If you went to ANY potential Owner/GM/Coach and compared records, you couldn’t find one to match it.
A resume like Al Davis’s doesn’t just jump out every 6-years. It’s a once-in-a-lifetime thing, so special that nothing like it will ever be seen again.
“The Raiders will go on even stronger.”
It’s tough to imagine any GM having the same results as Al Davis’s incredible career, but I’m all for it when it happens.
But, the Raiders going on even stronger might actually already be happening with Al here still.
LMN — We already know how you attack when the team does poorly (it’s soooo easy!)…but what kind of props will you give Al if and when the team turns the corner? If it’s this year even?
Will you give him ANY when the time comes?
Naaaahhhh!
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
July 14th, 2009 at 7:01 pm
Too bad about Frantz Joseph…I know I was one of the guys hoping he was fast enough. Too bad the underdog story, didn’t come alive. Speed, baby.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
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July 14th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
LOL SnB,
I think that was a small minority that actaully thought Joseph would even make the team. Now Ricky Brown challenging? That’s another story.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Seriously, I think we are going to see Howard, Brown, Alston, and Morrison all get snaps this year. I’m not saying that we are switching to the 3-4, but I do see all 4 of them getting on the field.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
LMN
Have you checked out Dub Side of the Moon yet?
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I did guys & it’s the only thing I’ve listened to for 4 days. Thanks, Dogg.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Oakland Raiders
League championships (4)
AFL Championships (1)
1967
Super Bowl Championships (3)
1976 (XI), 1980 (XV) 1983 (XVIII)
Conference championships (4)
AFC: 1976, 1980, 1983, 2002
Division championships (15)
AFL West: 1967, 1968, 1969
AFC West: 1970, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1983, 1985, 1990, 2000, 2001, 2002
Playoff appearances (21)
AFL: 1967, 1968, 1969
NFL: 1970, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1980, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1990, 1991, 1993, 2000, 2001, 2002
All these things happened under one Al Davis — the guy deserves every chance he wants…to turn his team around.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
Sure is quiet in here since JMac made fun of all the hyperventilating over Sulak’s release…
July 14th, 2009 at 7:23 pm
HD37…
—”LMN — We already know how you attack when the team does poorly (it’s soooo easy!)…but what kind of props will you give Al if and when the team turns the corner? If it’s this year even?”—
I have NO DOUBTS WHATSOEVER that the team WONT turn the corner this season, I think they at most will win 6 games, and that would be fine given what they have to work with, at least its progress, if we do get 6 wins, I might even think we will go for 8 wins in 2010… and thats HUGE!!
IF WE TURN THE CORNER I mostly will give props to the new coaching staff, and cable for getting them. because if Al is that great, why the hell didnt he do those winning changes before? But that said, I will give Al props for letting Cable do his stuff, if we turn the corner, and I WILL be relieved that good ole Al got a winning team before he died…
BUT I DONT BELIEVE IT FOR A SECOND, I dont believe in Aliens, they might be out there but i gotta see them before i change my mind..
—”The problem lies in where you say “the Raiders will go on even stronger.””—
yup, I believe that the management will do changes they wasnt allowed to under the reign of AL, and I think that there will be a reaction from the team that say; “lets go to the PO for Al, he might be sitting up there with his buddies Walsh and upshaw” and then win it all… when philly had a coach with cancer they played better than they were…
I think our team will be stronger in so many ways when Al dies, and we all know it will happen, a year, 5 years, maybe even 20 years, but it WILL happen….
July 14th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
RaiderTW..
yeah its funny and a bit blasphemous, i might even some day love it =)
July 14th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
Have you heard Dread Zepplin? Zepplin/reggae fronted by an Elvis impersonator? Talk about blasphemous.lol
July 14th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
They turn Heartbreaker into Heartbreak Hotel done reggae.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
OHhhhhh Noooooooo =)
July 14th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
The Past is glorious, the Present is disastrous.
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In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The flowwing is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 14th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Playoff appearances (21)
AFL: 1967, 1968, 1969
NFL: 1970, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1980, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1990, 1991, 1993, 2000, 2001, 2002
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Fans, you’ll notice since 1990, there are 6 playoff appearances. As in:
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The flowwing is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 14th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
jhill Says:
Seriously, I think we are going to see Howard, Brown, Alston, and Morrison all get snaps this year. I’m not saying that we are switching to the 3-4, but I do see all 4 of them getting on the field.
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The 1976 World Champion Oakland Raiders had to move from 4-3 to 3-4 due to personnel issues.
We’re not that team yet…
July 14th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Playoff appearances (21)
AFL: 1967, 1968, 1969
NFL: 1970, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1977, 1980, 1982, 1983, 1984, 1985, 1990, 1991, 1993, 2000, 2001, 2002
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hmmmm only in the 70s did we have late decade wins….
in modern football it was ‘90,’91 and ‘93… then again in ‘00, ‘01 and ‘02…. 6 years of winning seasons after free agency… thats 2/3s of loosing, bummer =)
so i seem to see some signs of changes, 2010 might be the year we go 8-8, and 2011, 2012, 2013 we will go to the POs and then go for another 7 year slump….
two thought to that, its statistically finally turn, and maaaaan it means we have another loooong dead period waiting =) LOL…
July 14th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
# jhill Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Seriously, I think we are going to see Howard, Brown, Alston, and Morrison all get snaps this year. I’m not saying that we are switching to the 3-4, but I do see all 4 of them getting on the field.
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switching to 3-4 isnt the LBs its more to have the right DT to clog up the middle…
July 14th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
♫ Det’ lissom een, to, tre – tre til to, een, spark Jeres hænder og klap Jeres ben ♫
July 14th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Tell us how to play football, LMN…you’ve never even seen a football field.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
The thinning of the herd continues, Watch your back Mr Huff your next.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
HD37…
you can have the right group of MLBs and the right DEs to play 3-4, but if you dont have the right man in the middle you are effed….
you gotta agree to that, right?
July 14th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
i never seen a football field???, hmm funny, what is it they play the danish championship in american football here in denmark on then? oh maybe it was a golf course…
July 14th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
LMN says:
I have NO DOUBTS WHATSOEVER that the team WONT turn the corner this season…
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NO DOUBTS WHATSOEVER?
Why are you so sure they won’t turn it around?
Besides losing Al, what in your estimation would it take to turn it around?
Just a feeling about who you “like” and don’t “like” (your word…whatever that rating means)?
July 14th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
RaiderTW Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 7:17 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
LMN
Have you checked out Dub Side of the Moon yet?
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I did guys & it’s the only thing I’ve listened to for 4 days. Thanks, Dogg.”
My pleasure bro, I enjoy turning people on to good music.
I have had the opportunity to see Dread Zeppelin a few times and they are a funny, yet somewhat talented group of musicians. That Elvis impersonator Tortelvis is a serious clown.
The Easy Star All-Stars do the same treatment as Dub Side to Radiohead called “Radiodread” and a new one of the Beatles called “Sgt Pepper’s Lonely Heart Dub Band”. All very good.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
not to talk about the Amsterdam admirals, i guess they played on a cricket field?? please tell me what i’ve seen, you seem to know so much about me…
July 14th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
It looks like the defense is getting faster every year, that must be the plan……. to chase em down from behind.
July 14th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
I have been reading this blog for weeks and just want to thank all of you for the great raiders info! You are some of the most intelligent fans and give some of us out of town people the inside track we are starving for!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
not to talk about the Amsterdam admirals, i guess they played on a cricket field?? please tell me what i’ve seen, you seem to know so much about me…”
I bet you are the type of guy that goes to Blues Festivals and watches artists like Alvin Youngblood Hart.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
LMN says:
I have NO DOUBTS WHATSOEVER that the team WONT turn the corner this season…
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NO DOUBTS WHATSOEVER?
Why are you so sure they won’t turn it around?
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HD37…
we needa better team to turn this around, to get that, we need better Free agency acquirements and better drafts…. for starters… then better coaches, and let those coaches do what you hired them to – COACH!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Ha ha ha. My local HS team — any of the top-level HS teams in the US — would beat your “Danish” champion there.
A Danish championship? Is that a race to see who can eat the most breakfast rolls?
July 14th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
# oregonraider Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
I have been reading this blog for weeks and just want to thank all of you for the great raiders info! You are some of the most intelligent fans and give some of us out of town people the inside track we are starving for!
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Yeah, too bad Jerry rarely contributes.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
LMN,
Did I say I don’t see us switching to the 3-4?
And how big do you have to be to play the nose? Is 6′5, 330lbs big enough? How about 6′6, 350lbs?
July 14th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Why do I hear more from you guys then the one that is getting paid?
July 14th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
# oregonraider Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
I have been reading this blog for weeks and just want to thank all of you for the great raiders info! You are some of the most intelligent fans and give some of us out of town people the inside track we are starving for!
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Yeah, too bad Jerry rarely contributes
You will find he rarely contributes Jack Squat unless its going on about how great Tom Cable is. I think he seriously wants to marry the man.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
jhill Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
LMN,
Did I say I don’t see us switching to the 3-4?
And how big do you have to be to play the nose? Is 6′5, 330lbs big enough? How about 6′6, 350lbs?”
Actually some school of thought dictates that a DT be a bit shorter than that to retain a low center of gravity. DT’s that size all too often get stood up and can’t shed blocks.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
# RaiderDogg Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
not to talk about the Amsterdam admirals, i guess they played on a cricket field?? please tell me what i’ve seen, you seem to know so much about me…”
I bet you are the type of guy that goes to Blues Festivals and watches artists like Alvin Youngblood Hart.
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Yirh! actually when Alvin was here he saw my cap and said “the next song is for my raider brother” after the concert we both b1tched and moaned about the organization =)
its just been Jazz and blues festival here in Copenhagen, it was great…
not that its in that genre, just bought tickets to ‘Placebo’ and ‘Muse’, they coming here in the fall, cant wait =)
July 14th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Derrick Burgess, Gerrard Warren, Tommy Kelly, and Ricky Brown were all starters who were hurt, and/or out of the line up for a significant part of the year. that 4 out of 7 starter up front. Combine that with an in pet offense, and what do you guys really expect?
July 14th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
# jhill Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
LMN,
Did I say I don’t see us switching to the 3-4?
And how big do you have to be to play the nose? Is 6′5, 330lbs big enough? How about 6′6, 350lbs?
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no you did not, and I didnt think you did so either, i just elaborated that I think you look at you DT corp before you LB corp to see if you D is ready to switch to 3-4…
and I dont think it has much to do with hight, i think it has more to do with stamina and girth… or at least how wide you NTs pelvis is and not how huge his tummy is..
July 14th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
I knew it!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Hey, KK –
From 1990-2008 is 19-seasons, not 20, math wiz…
So, looking at your own numbers again, let’s summarize:
In the past 19-years (not 20!), the Raiders have been in the Playoffs 6-times…
…including 3 AFC Championship games and a Super Bowl.
In the past 19-years, how many teams have gone to as many Conference Championships? How many teams haven’t even reached ONE?
I still defy you, KK — or any of your partners in head-thickening experiments — to find ANY 10-year period in AL Davis’s career where the Raiders haven’t been to more Playoff games than the NFL average.
Not just decades…any continuous 10-year period in Al’s career.
You can’t do it.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
# oregonraider Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
Why do I hear more from you guys then the one that is getting paid?
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LOL, question is IF he gets paid =) LOL he was on forced vacation without pay some weeks ago =)
you guys have a word for it, i just cant remember what it is, some 9′ers employees had it too =)
July 14th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
I listened to one of the espn guys on the radio actually predict that we would win nine games and take the division this year. He was an ex raider pr man and it was nice to hear some positive pub for the raiders. I am personally sick of all the media haters. 5.5 wins this year? Do they just take the 6 year average and come up with this crap?
July 14th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
HD37…
well thats just it, I didnt became a raider to be just average, I want to be in the top 6! all the time!
fine with me that you like “just above average” or “mediocre” its plainly just enough for me…
July 14th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
#87 Word for what?
July 14th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
This division is ripe for the picking DEN KC are starting over and SD is going to get NORVED. 8-9 wins takes the division.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
oregon…
well, I dont believe we will win more than 6 games, and I certainly dont think we will win the division…
July 14th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
LFS…
and WE’RE NOT starting over?? we have been 4 times this decade, or is it more??
July 14th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
Furlough
July 14th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
I take it back 7 wins takes the AFC west.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
KK…
exactly! thanks, a word i seldom use, so its not stuck yet, thanks… Furlough….. Furlough….. Furlough….
July 14th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The flowwing is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 14th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
FINALLY!!!!!
thats it, im gone, see y’all tomorrow, im outta here, im yearning for my bed =)
July 14th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Don’t put words in my mouth, LMN — You need to understand them before you use them.
I never said I was happy to be average. But, if it makes you feel better, to act like you win by making up things about what others say, go for it.
AND…what a shock you can’t handle it when the team has a down stretch…you’re a fan if you back the team only when they win…what a shock.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
oh and its a beautiful morning… im going to enjoy this walk.. see ya, take care..
July 14th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
We have a long tenured coach now don’t we? What is this talk of starting over? This is the longest I’ve seen any continuity in a while
July 14th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
Now that doesn’t mean that he hasn’t made some mistakes during this last 6 years. He’s admitted it, so what’s the big deal.
Al has done a damn good job of drafting, IMO. Bush, McFadden, JRuss, Oren Oneal, Chaz, JLH, Gallery, Henderson, Scott, Richards, Howard, Morrison, Brown, Nnamdi, Huff, Branch, Tommy Kelly, … all starters.
Veteran pick ups include CJ, Alston, Neal, Satele, Carlisle, Barnes, and Warren among others.
I think the biggest and only REAL mistake he has made over the last 6 years ishow he’s handled the coaching situation. He should have just paid Gruden, in hind sight. If for any reason Cable doesn’t work out, Al needs to stop with the projects and bring in Cowher, Gruden, or the ex Ravens coach. His name is slipping my mind right now.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
My dad tells me of the days of stabler and bilitnekof and all of the last second victories. I am 32 and have only seen about a decade of good football from the raiders in my lifetime, but every year i spend all off season looking forward to the next good thing! I always expect it to happen…hmm, THIS YEAR WILL BE DIFFERENT!
Right? There is not much to do here but cheer for my favorite team! GO JR!GO DHB! GO RAIDERS!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
brian billick
July 14th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
HD37…
cant handle it??? im still here aren’t I?
and you speaking of making things up, is just plain stupid… you still dont agree with my take on the DTs and 3-4?? and you still mean i never seen a football field?….
well, good for you if this stuff makes you feel better, I assume you need something like this to not go blow your head…
July 14th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
see ya all….
long tenured, come on, after 2010 he is gone coaching o-line in denver…. Mornings!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Then we can bring back Joe Bugel!!!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
KK — Is a .500 season good??
What is your point again??
If the Raiders have been .500 or better 10-out-of-the-last-20-years…and the rest of the league can’t boast “average” stats like that…doesn’t that mean the Raiders aren’t the worst team in the league over those 20-years?
Horrible at times, nearly great at others…kinda cool we even get to see Playoff runs, compared to the “average” NFL team.
I’ll take my bad Raiders, my good Raiders, and my bad Raiders when they’ve become great again. All in stride, and glad to be witness to it.
Real life, KK — take a look at it sometime!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
5 Wins?
That’s laffs. Are you predicting injury and turmoil again?
With everyone healthy, JRuss a year older, and some real development at WR, you really think that we are going to have the same amount of wins?
The fact that Robo has been replaced isn’t going to mean squat to the defense that lost about 4 games at the end of the game, per SnB?
We are at least 4 games better than last year based on the offensive improvements of McFadden and Bush over Fargas, and Chaz, JLH, and DHB over what we had last year. And most importantly, a defensive coordinator that won’t be in over his head every week.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
Thanks Lynn!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Our new D- coordinator is good for 2 more wins. Dmac’s health and JLH expierience is good for at least two more. Not to mention the coaching headaches of last year. 9-7 AFC west champs or one game out of the wildcard.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Billick was suppose to a offensive guru I never saw any offense in Baltimore. Except on defense.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
#108 amen brother!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
Repost for the Dense:
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The flowwing is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 14th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
I think the AFC west will be the dregs of the NFL this year maybe worse than last year. Hello playoffs
July 14th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Where is 16yearsraider?
July 14th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
Come on snot! I was born in livermore!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
KK-where is Dallas on that list? HMM.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
NOooooooooooooooooO!!!
Not Frantz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Why Allah!!! WHY????????
July 14th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
I think the decline of the Raiders started when Al was spending most of his energy fighting in court rather than focusing on what was happening on the field and in the locker room. You can’t take your eye off the prize or you lose sight of it.
July 14th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
I say 8/9 wins!!
July 14th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
RR,
You were RIGHT, and I was WRONG!!
Don’t get used to it! Excpetions do happen! lol
Al,
Why Al, why?? Who cares if he didn’t run fast? The kid can tackle and hit. We need that!
If he makes another team ( and I think he will), and becomes a PB, then I will kill you myself!!
July 14th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The flowwing is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Dallas 12 *
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
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Then there’s Hou, Jax, Car, Bal who haven’t been in the NFL for 20 years.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:24 pm
KK lets break those years down and see a little more detail…its all about the details.
1989: Shell takes over for Shannie and takes the S&B from 1-3 to 8-8 and just missed the playoffs.
1990: Bo, Marcus, Howie go 12-4 and win the AFC West beat Begals in Div Playoffs and then…yeah 51-3.
1991: No Bo, QB play horrible and still make playoffs at 9-7, then lose WC in KC.
1992: Shells worst team…still 7-9 (not atrocious) but not pretty. Need something.
1993: Hoss was that something. Back to 2nd season with 10-6 record where they stomp Elways Donks and then lose squeaker in Buff.
1994: Trendy preseason SB pick gets blasted in SF, stunned in Seattle and Shell vs Hoss to start 1-3. Get back to 9-7 but are knocked out on x-mas eve by Montana, Marcus, and KC (ouch). Shell gets axed.
(First 6 years are very admirable considering the lack of good QB play until Hoss the last two years. Factor in losing Bo and S&B still got a very above average team. Not the 70’s or early 80’s Raiders, but always in the mix.)
1995: Cruising at 8-2 under Mike White and back…wait Hoss gets hurt and Raiders lose final six games. Nice.
1996: 7-9 under White…with decent talent. See ya Mike…sorry Hoss (big mistake)…hello George!
1997: Bugle debacle. 4-12. See ya Joe!
1998: Gruden era starts off competitive with 8-8 record. Team over-achieved.
1999: Gannon era starts with 8-8 record, but you can see the pieces are starting to form for a run.
2000: Offense runs over people and Gannon shines in 12-4 Raiders season. Disappointing loss in AFC title game, but Raiders seem hear to stay.
2001: Another AFC West title, and 10-6 season all dashed by the Tuck Rule. Then Gruden leaves. The Collapse begins.
2002: But Gannon/Brown/Rice/Garner/Woodsons/Romo/Linc are vets who won’t let this team lose and make one final run for a title. Not to be as the Gruden mistake catches up with Mr. Davis.
(Raiders floundered until they got a coach and QB in Gruden/Gannon. Made a run at the SB and came up just short. All credit for the rise and blame for the fall goes to Mr. Davis, as always)
2003: IT begins…Gannon hurt, team old, Callahan falls apart. 4-12
2004: Gannon’s injury threw team in total tailspin. Collins shows tiny promise at year end to go 5-11.
2005: Moss/Porter/Curry/Collins/Jordan seemed to have promise, but again a very disappointing finish at 4-12. See ya Norv!
2006: Worst offensive team I have ever witnessed for 16 games. 2-14. See ya Art?
2007: No stable QB (DC, McClown, rookie holdout) and little talent, but an improvement under young find in Kiffin, 4-12.
2008: Or so I was fooled…Kiff was Damien and I despise that imp. Al handled it all badly and season is lost early. But a funny thing happened and Raiders improved just enough (5-11) to show some hope.
(Worst 6 years in NFL history. No defense…mainly fueled by Al Davis decisions. Although I will say at the end of 2008 I still see light at the end of the tunnel. JRuss/DMac/Nnamdi/Zach/JLH/Ho/Mo/Bush…Raiders do have young talent to build around. Time will tell.)
After this EXTREMELY long post I leave it up to you to determine the last 20 years. Not a lot of post-season appearances, but 3 legitimate runs at the SB (5 if you count the Tuck season and also the close loss to a SB bound Buff team in ‘93), many competitive seasons of just coming up short (9-7 or 8-8), horrible management decisions (Gruden, Marcus, Jay Schroeder) along with some great ones (Gannon, Hoss, vets in 01-02 Garner, Rice, Rod, Romo, Adams, for SB run), bad luck with Bo, Hoss and Gannon injuries along with some horrible and solid drafts.
If the youngsters can be as good as their talent level indicated in college the Raiders could return to greatness. Then we can let the judgment of Al resume.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Extenuating Circumstances, If’s & But’s, Injuries or Retirement.
This is the Record:
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The following is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Dallas 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
Jacksonville’s been in the League since 1995, 7 winning seasons.
Carolina been in the League since 1995, 4 winning seasons.
Baltimore’s been in the League since 1996, 6 winning seasons.
Houston’s been in the League since 2002, 0 winning seasons.
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Gnite, whoever you are.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
124,
I enjoyed reading your post. “It’s all about the details”!
You should post more often.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Nice breakdown …
July 14th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
KK,
Why only 20 yrs?! Why not since the merge?!
We didn’t do that bad in FA!
Burgess
Rod woodson
Gannon
Garner
Sam Adams
Romo
LK
Not bad for the last yrs or so!
July 14th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Last 10 yrs… Sorry
July 14th, 2009 at 9:42 pm
Ok — It took awhile, but let’s look a little closer at KK’s stats of the past 20-years…only, let’s put some value to what those numbers mean. (Pretty sure these figures are right.)
It appears that of all the teams listed, 21-teams have been to FEWER Conference Championship games than the Raiders have since ‘89. Of those 21-teams, 6 of them won the Super Bowl — so, obviously, they get credit where its due for winning the Big One.
But, having gone to 3 Conference Championship games and 1 Super Bowl in the past 20-years CLEARLY puts the Raiders in the “above average” category for making Playoff runs…as KK’s own numbers show (once again).
“Winning seasons” mean NOTHING, if you aren’t making/winning Playoff games…5-11 is the same as 9-7!
Winning seasons since 1989:
Pittsburg 15 — 13 Playoffs since 1989! 3 AFC/2 SB wins
Miami 14 — 10 Playoffs and no championships
Green Bay 14 — 11 PO’s, 2 NFC/ 1 SB win
New England 13 — 10 PO’s, 5 AFC/3 SB wins!!
Philadelphia 13 — 12 PO’s, 1 NFC
San Francisco 12 — 8 PO’s, 2 SB wins
Minnesota 12 — 11 PO’s, no championships
Kansas City 12 — 9 PO’s, no championships
Indianapolis 12 — 11 PO’s, 1 AFC/1 SB win
Denver 12 — 10 PO’s, 3 AFC/ 2 SB wins
Tennessee 11 — 11 PO’s, 1 AFC
New York Giants 10 — 10 PO’s, 2 SB wins
Buffalo 9 — 9 PO’s, 4 AFC
Seattle 8 — 6 PO’s, 1 NFC (only 1 PO in AFC West)
Tampa Bay 8 — 7 PO’s, 1 NFC and 1 SB win(!)
San Diego 8 — 7 PO’s, 1 AFC
New York Jets 8 — 6 PO’s, no championships
Chicago 8 — 6 PO’s, 1 NFC
Washington 8 — 6 PO’s, 1 NFC
Oakland 6 — 6 PO’s, 3 AFC games played/1 SB loss(!)
Atlanta 6 — 6 PO’s, 1 NFC
New Orleans 6 — 5 PO’s, no championships
St Louis 5 — 3 PO’s, 2 NFC/ 1 SB win
Detroit 5 — 6 PO’s, no championships
Cleveland 4 — 3 PO’s, no championships
Cincinnati 2 — 2 PO’s, no championships
Winning seasons since ‘89? Not many. Playoff wins/runs? Waaaay more than the NFL average.
You’re welcome.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
Hayes,
I love it!! Thank you!
Use them STATS dude!! lol
Own’em!!
Work’em!!
lol
July 14th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Len,
It was nice to see a post from you today, so do it more often PLS.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
You should probably list the PO wins each of these teams had. Leave nothing for the sticklers.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:47 pm
Dallas Cowboys 12 — 11 PO’s, 3 SB wins
July 14th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Where is BHP? I think he will enjoy these breakdowns.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Everyone in here knows to ignore KoolKell and his lame posts.
He has posted the same thing in here 3 times a day for the last week. And soiled his adult diapers 3 times in the process.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
“Winning seasons” mean NOTHING, if you aren’t making/winning Playoff games…5-11 is the same as 9-7!”
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If that were the case, the Raiders wouldn’t hold the NFL record for most consecutive double-digit losing seasons in a Row, would they?
July 14th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Dallas hasn’t won anything since ‘95.
Fire Jerry Jones!
July 14th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Bottom line is you are as good as your QB play in the NFL. Let’s not forget how the Marijuanovich failure impacted this team. He was supposed to be the guy for a good 10 years. What a difference it makes if he turns out.
Gannon was the last decent QB we had, and he was pretty bad post Gruden. I was actually rooting for Collins since he could actually get the ball down the field. We all see how that worked out. Gruden’s 2nd rd pick Tui didn’t work out, nor did Al’s Andrew Walter pick.
Say what you want about Al, but it will be good QB play from Jamarcus Russell that turns this thing around.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Silver-N-Black666 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Everyone in here knows to ignore KoolKell and his lame posts.
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Now if that were true, you wouldn’t need to post that garbage, would you, little hump.
July 14th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Where are the guys who had Franz Joseph starting?? LOL!
Raider O, believe you were the one who wanted to bet that hed make the team……. Hate to say I told you so, buttttttt…………..
July 14th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
What does it hurt to lose the most games over 6-years?
Ummm…NOTHING, but merchandise and ticket sales.
Oh, and a lot of pride.
But, that’s all.
Nothing that can’t be remedied before KK takes his dirt nap.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
What does it hurt to be the laughingstock of the NFL? Ahhh, nothing, just a little pride. LOL!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
HayesDaze= Al Davis fan who could care less if the Raiders win or lose.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Saw your post the other day 666,
I understand your position as it pertains to your specific situation. But I still find it sad that the general tone of that conversation by a group of men was against what DMac was WILLINGLY doing for his child. To me, it’s not about the girl, it’s about DMac WILLINGLY taking responsibility for his kid. That should not be the exception, it should be the norm.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Wasn’t that pathetic?
July 14th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
I don’t remember anyone saying Frantz Joseph would be starting. I do remember a few people saying he might have a chance to make the team.
I know I was wishing he could play at this level… he’s a good player, but not a great player. And contrary to the small-minded thinking that prevails in here sometimes…ALL NFL players are great players. They just aren’t all great NFL players.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Dude,
You were right bro!
I really liked the kid, his story, and his YouTube videos!! lol
July 14th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Raider 0 made some pretty crazy predictions about ol Frantz. You were “wishing” he could play at this level, kind of like you are with Russell too, eh? Funny how you know so much about a guy youve never seen play.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
I didn’t say he would start, but that he can be a good backup MLB, SLB, or used on short yardage situations.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
If you consider ESPN or certain bloggers the NFL, then maybe we are the laughingstock. But you won’t find CREDIBLE NFL guys showing anything but respect for Al Davis. The credible guys on ESPN are coming around, even on BSPN. Michael Smith predicted big things this year, as have others.
It’s so right there in your face that this team, unlike the last 6 years, has A LOT of talent on it.
No Aaron Brook, Duante Culpepper, or Josh McClown this year. No more “possesion” guys at WR. No more Kwame Harris or aging Barry Sims. No more scrubs at RB.
I mean C’mon!
July 14th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
Dude…troll — I never said it’s OK to be average.
KK is always arguing the Raiders are the worst, but he can’t find any more than a 6-year stratch to prove his point. That’s only 1/10th of his existence on this earth…pretty tight blinders for that period.
Some of us have a little more patience with our favorite team — and we view the Raiders’ troubled times (and good times) with the dose of reality it needs.
The sky is definitely NOT falling in Oakland.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
You werent the only one Raider O, like I said before, you admit your a straight up homer, that puts you 10 steps above the rest of these clowns.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
The sky fell about two years ago, so your right its not.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:12 pm
This is the Record:
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The following is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Dallas 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 14th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Check the wins in the last 25 years, under 500. That long enough for you??
July 14th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
And HayesDaze exits stage left………….
July 14th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
The sky is definitely NOT falling in Oakland.
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It fell already.
Only thing to do is prop it up again — something Al’s given the players and coaches a chance to do.
Al Davis doesn’t quit…like some of his “fans” like KK and MR and LMN and…do.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
6 winning seasons out of the last 20.
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Dallas 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 14th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
i really can’t believe that you keep reposting that same thing.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
Yoo hoo, Hayes, where you at??
July 14th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
14 Losing seasons out of the last 20:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Dallas 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 14th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Punk Hayes just called took him to task about the 6 year thing and he rebutted. Whats so unbelievable??
July 14th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Hayes went and hid?? SHOCKER!!!!!
July 14th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
KK,
Can you plaese stop posting the record. I’ve seen here so many times, I’m starting to dream about it!! lol
July 14th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Seen it.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Your stats are really about the last 6 years. I really don’t think you can say anything anti Al between these years.
1989: Shell takes over for Shannie and takes the S&B from 1-3 to 8-8 and just missed the playoffs.
1990: Bo, Marcus, Howie go 12-4 and win the AFC West beat Begals in Div Playoffs and then…yeah 51-3.
1991: No Bo, QB play horrible and still make playoffs at 9-7, then lose WC in KC.
1992: Shells worst team…still 7-9 (not atrocious) but not pretty. Need something.
1993: Hoss was that something. Back to 2nd season with 10-6 record where they stomp Elways Donks and then lose squeaker in Buff.
1994: Trendy preseason SB pick gets blasted in SF, stunned in Seattle and Shell vs Hoss to start 1-3. Get back to 9-7 but are knocked out on x-mas eve by Montana, Marcus, and KC (ouch). Shell gets axed.
(First 6 years are very admirable considering the lack of good QB play until Hoss the last two years. Factor in losing Bo and S&B still got a very above average team. Not the 70’s or early 80’s Raiders, but always in the mix.)
1995: Cruising at 8-2 under Mike White and back…wait Hoss gets hurt and Raiders lose final six games. Nice.
1996: 7-9 under White…with decent talent. See ya Mike…sorry Hoss (big mistake)…hello George!
1997: Bugle debacle. 4-12. See ya Joe!
1998: Gruden era starts off competitive with 8-8 record. Team over-achieved.
1999: Gannon era starts with 8-8 record, but you can see the pieces are starting to form for a run.
2000: Offense runs over people and Gannon shines in 12-4 Raiders season. Disappointing loss in AFC title game, but Raiders seem hear to stay.
2001: Another AFC West title, and 10-6 season all dashed by the Tuck Rule. Then Gruden leaves. The Collapse begins.
2002: But Gannon/Brown/Rice/Garner/Woodsons/Romo/Linc are vets who won’t let this team lose and make one final run for a title. Not to be as the Gruden mistake catches up with Mr. Davis.
(Raiders floundered until they got a coach and QB in Gruden/Gannon. Made a run at the SB and came up just short. All credit for the rise and blame for the fall goes to Mr. Davis, as always)
July 14th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
There you go, Dude — Do what KK does with dates AND STILL LOSE YOUR OWN ARGUMENT! Just like KK.
You guys are geniuses!
Add 5-years to your own figures, and you ADD 2-Playoff appearances…and. 3-of-5 of those years were 8-8 or better!
Genius argument, troll.
1984 11 5 0 Lost Wild Card Playoffs
1985 NFL AFC West 1st 12 4 0 Lost Divisional Playoffs
1986 1986 NFL AFC West 4th 8 8 0
1987 1987 NFL AFC West 4th 5 10 0
1988 1988 NFL AFC West 3rd 7 9 0
C’mon guys — find some stats that help you WIN a point sometimes.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Raider O, this is why I keep posting the stats, ok?
Jhill Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Your stats are really about the last 6 years. I really don’t think you can say anything anti Al between these years.
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In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The following is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Dallas 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 14th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Bottom line is this franchise has 6 winning seasons in the last 20 years. Period, end. JHill, when do you STOP making excuses for the guy?
July 14th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
You hoo, Dude — You’ve been shown to be a fraud once again. Go back to KK’s crib and come up with a better strategy — you guys keep looking dumberer and dumberer.
Stats? You don’t know the meaning of the word stats!
July 14th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Jhil
If, if’s and but’s were candy and nuts, then the Raiders would have won more in the last 20 yrs
In the 20 Seasons since the implementation of Free Agency and the Modern Era, some teams have adjusted, some have not. The following is the number of winning seasons by team since 1989:
Pittsburg 15
Miami 14
Green Bay 14
New England 13
Philadelphia 13
San Francisco 12
Minnesota 12
Kansas City 12
Indianapolis 12
Denver 12
Dallas 12
Tennessee 11
New York Giants 10
Buffalo 9
Seattle 8
Tampa Bay 8
San Diego 8
New York Jets 8
Chicago 8
Washington 8
Oakland 6
Atlanta 6
New Orleans 6
St Louis 5
Detroit 5
Cleveland 4
Cincinnati 2
July 14th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
HayesDaze,
9 winning season in 25 is good?
July 14th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Dude, calling me names — acting like he’s chased me away…after posting his own BS “facts” and being shown up again.
That’s the way to debate, Dude — Proving your brainpower once again.
Call me more names, since you’ve got nothin’
July 14th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
How many years since the Raiders won a SuperBowl?
July 14th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
9 winning seasons in 25 is good?
July 14th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
My argument is the Raiders suck, Raiders fans are stuck in the past and Al Davis is a senile old man. NONE OF THOSE ARE DEBATEABLE
July 14th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
You posting stas, but not answering any relevant ?’s.
I guess you didn’t have anything specific for 1989-2002 to point out how Al did a bad job?
Is it ok to talk about a 13 year time period, or Dude’s 25 year period?
Or just the last 6 years? You fire Al campaign would make a lot more sense if it was just based on those 6 years. But to try and bring up 2002 and prior defies logic. Those were CLEARLY successful years by NFL standards. We were competitive way more often than not prior to 2002, right or wrong?
July 14th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Dude
He’s clinging to 8-8 seasons, pathetic.
8-8 seems great these days, huh?
July 14th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Wrong. The record shows they were not. And dont go back to the 60s or 70s cause I dont give a rip about that long ago.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
HayesDaze37 never said 9 winning seasons in 25 is good. Those are your words.
9-of-25 is not a good winning record.
But…in 13-of-25 years the Raiders were 8-8 or better, with more Playoff wins than 2/3’s of the NFL have to show for it.
That goes for the past 10-years, the past 20-years, the past 30-years, or any other 10+year period you can find.
What, Dude? You can’t find stats to support your case? That’s because they don’t exist the way you guys would like them to.
Dude…KK…ANY hater — MIAMI HAS THE SECOND-MOST WINNING SEASONS THE PAST 20-YEARS (14 OF THEM)…
…AND MIAMI HASN’T WON A THING.
Winning seasons means NOTHING…
July 14th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Hes a joke, actually is claiming 9 winning seasons in 25 years is good.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
We were competitive way more often than not prior to 2002, right or wrong?
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WRONG
July 14th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
When is the last time the Raiders won the Superbowl?
July 14th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Good night Nation.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
We were competitive way more often than not prior to 2002, right or wrong?
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WRONG gawdamnit, that’s why I keep posting those stats!!!!
http://www.pro-football-reference.com
July 14th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
It really seems like you are the one stuck in the past. I have repeatedly said what does that have to do with this year?
There has not been one person, including Al Davis, who has said that this last 6 years has been anything but bad. Worse than bad. But what does that have to do with this year?
If this turns into an Al is a bad owner conversation, then that ludacris! A bad GM? Certainly debateable. But a bad owner? Just crazy!
July 14th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
HayesDaze,
When??
July 14th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Hes the worst owner in sports. Bar none. He cares more about strokin his giant ego than he does winning. He runs an absolute circus sideshow and he is an embarrasment. And for you to say it debateable whetehr or not he is a bad GM makes you an idiot.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
We were competitive way more often than not prior to 2002, right or wrong?
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How in the hell are you going to be competitive when we’ve had 6 winning seasons in the last 20 years?
July 14th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Dude Says:
My argument is the Raiders suck, Raiders fans are stuck in the past and Al Davis is a senile old man. NONE OF THOSE ARE DEBATEABLE
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Actually, Dudette — They’re ALL debatable.
The Raiders sucked last year. (Means nothing to right now.)
Raiders fans are stuck in the past. (Thankfully, I witnessed that great past…and I gladly accept the Raiders of today over any other NFL team. But I am most definitely rooted right here in the present, with THIS team…waiting for my team to be better again.)
Al Davis is a senile old man. (Well, Al’s old, he’ll tell you that. Stubborn and prideful, but not even close to senile.)
No argument? Throw out some “non-debatable” facts like Dude and KK. They always make you look better!
July 14th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Hayes,
When??
July 14th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
We were competitive way more often than not prior to 2002, right or wrong?
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WRONG gawdamnit, that’s why I keep posting those stats!!!!
http://www.pro-football-reference.com
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This is hilarious, KK!
Go take your nitro, man — that ticker’s gonna blow!
Keep posting those hollow stats about how many winning seasons other teams have WITHOUT WINNING ANYTHING.
KK — You and Dude had one argument tonight (well, always) — and even your own doctored numbers didn’t work out for you.
Yell at us some more “gawdamnit!”
July 14th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Ok, let me try this a different way.
I think we all agree that the last 6 years were bad simply becasue we haven’t won. 2 games here, 4 games there, for the season that is.
Now tell me when 8-8 in the NFL is became non competitive? And of those 8-8 season’s an injury here or there (Uhh Bo frickin Jackson, Rich Gannon, Hoss, etc), a USC QB not drugging his way out of the league, and we are much better.
Now I THOUGHT we were talking about Al Davis as an owner and GM. As well as the Raiders overall performance over a period prior to 2002.
Again, since we all agree on the last 6 years.
For it to have been only 6 years since we were last in the SB means nothing?
July 14th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
When what, Dude??
You guys are a crack up.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
I’m not a regular poster, but here is what i observe:
Koolkell is making the post with all of the teams to show that Al Davis has not adapted to free agency. The numbers do not lie.
Personally, I want the Raiders to win the Super Bowl… nothing less will satisfy me. With that said, if they aren’t destined to win it all, I at least want to be able to watch more wins than losses.
Let me put it another way (note: this is just in terms of satisfacton in watching your team play every week)… would you rather see the Raiders have a winning record 14 out 20 seasons and never even make the super bowl (Dolphins) or have a winning season 5 out of 20 times with 1 Super Bowl Masacre…
I say… we didn’t win it all… F it… let me win 14 out of 20 seasons so I can go out and hit on Chargers fans girlfriends and talk sh!t to him about his crappy team while im doing it
July 14th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
I’ll be an idiot, Dude …
If you say so, it must be true.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
The 6 winning seasons out of 20 stat, provides a yardstick of the job the GM is doing.
I started posting the 20yr stat, because the Al Davis fans were saying the Raiders were the dominate team in the sport before the recent downfall of the past 6 years.
They lie and lie, and I punch em in the face with the numbers.
July 14th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
JHill,
OK
Hayes,
When is the last time the Raiders won the Superbowl?
July 14th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
I missed the dominant team in sports conversation …
But I know I was able to talk a lot of shyt and hold my head high as a Raider fan prior to 2002.
AGAIN, we all acknowledge the last 6 years.
July 14th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
KK — You can’t punch people in the face with numbers WHEN YOU CAN’T EVEN ADD.
If you take away the last 6-years…the Raiders would have even better Playoff appearance numbers than the ones you already ignore. So, stop suggesting we change the dates again!
More Playoff games and more Playoff wins than the NFL average…means the past 20-years aren’t quite the disaster all those losing seasons might point to (even if they are hard to swallow).
Nobody can dispute the bad numbers — but to ignore the good numbers AMONG the bad numbers is a one-sided “argument” that proves only one thing…
…that the person using the skewed stats isn’t really looking for a fair assessment.
I admit Al and the Raiders have screwed up lately. KK, Dude, MR, LMN, et al — they can’t even admit when Al’s done something good.
Not one good thing in 20-years? That’s just not possible. Hell — even in the past 6-years, Al’s done some good things, but the team still hasn’t won.
It’ll come around. Maybe even this year.
G’nite fans. And trolls.
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
July 14th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Ok…after this, I’m really out. Just couldn’t resist!
Just one more stat to show how Dude and KK are still wrong:
Super Bowl wins since the Raiders last win in ‘84:
Pitt – 2
NYG – 3
Indy – 1
NE – 3
TB – 1
Balt – 1
STL – 1
Den – 2
GB – 1
Dallas – 3
SF – 4
Wash – 2
That’s only 12-teams winning at least 1-Super Bowl in those years.
That means there are 20-teams out there who have not won a Super Bowl in the time frame they want highlighted.
Whether those teams have been in the league 15-years or 50-years…
There are still 20-other teams who haven’t won a Super Bowl since the last time the Raiders did.
That comes out to…oh, let’s see…could it be…2/3’s of the league hasn’t won a Super Bowl since the Raiders last did??
No, Dude…KK — Say it ain’t so! Your numbers fail you again!!
Too funny.
It is such a great night to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
July 15th, 2009 at 12:01 am
The point is some of us are rational enough to realize it’s very tough to win in this league. And it is incredibly tough to win over a period of 20-30 years. It takes a lot of luck and know how to do that. Injuries play such an incredibly unpredictable role in success. Yu can do everything right and one injuries can undo all of what you’ve done and force you to do other things you wouldn’t have to do.
When Bo Jackson went down a HUGE chunk of stability left this organzation. As SnB or someone mentioned Marinovidh was a huge disapointment an example of the right move going very bad. Being a bad GM and anunlucky one are very similar. Injuries being the pivotal factor.
But it takes someone practical to understand these factors. Very few in here want to except these facts
they just want bragging rights as someone admitted. When you lose you don’t get that.
over the last 15 years some unfortunate circumstances have caused the Raiders some decent records. We should’ve won more games the last two years bad decisions have cost us. On the coaches and the owner Kiffin sold us up the river. He could’ve won he didn’t care. But that does against Mr Davis. Hopefully Cable can take the talent he has and produce with it. We’ll see.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:33 am
Raider O Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
KK,
Why only 20 yrs?! Why not since the merge?!
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well it should be obvious, but its because the game changed, and in modern football, we are in the low 1/3 of football teams… no matter how you all twist and turn the numbers, we are JUST average or mediocre if you will…
Im a raiders fan, not a Al fan… when we score a TD, im not saying “TD Al Davis”
per decade we have 3 good years, and 7 years slump, thats not OK, not at all…
July 15th, 2009 at 5:34 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 5:35 am
—”If you take away the last 6-years…the Raiders would have even better Playoff appearance numbers than the ones you already ignore. So, stop suggesting we change the dates again!”—
woaw, is that right?? if we take away the worst 6 years of this franchise in modern football, we will have a better average?…. you are the number wizard… LOL
July 15th, 2009 at 5:41 am
—”over the last 15 years some unfortunate circumstances have caused the Raiders some decent records. We should’ve won more games the last two years bad decisions have cost us. On the coaches and the owner Kiffin sold us up the river. He could’ve won he didn’t care. But that does against Mr Davis. Hopefully Cable can take the talent he has and produce with it. We’ll see.”—
BHP…
what does that even mean? it makes NO SENSE WHATSOEVER!!
“unfortunate circumstances have caused the Raiders some decent records” please elaborate, what do you mean?
“On the coaches and the owner Kiffin sold us up the river” ahem? say what now???
“But that does against Mr Davis.” what does, against Al? and what does that even mean?
July 15th, 2009 at 5:42 am
Good afternoon, HwnRdr…
July 15th, 2009 at 5:51 am
Morning Nation!!! Afternoon aswell,
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Frantz was my boy thats to bad, alas Mr. Davis COVETS speed youngsters, If you want to wear the silver and black go to speed camp!!!! Good luck to you Frantz your a stud and a stand up guy!!! LOL I have to admit when I clicked on Jerry’s blog I thought it was Joeseph the DT and I was like ohhhhh sh!tttt I cant believe this there will be alot of p!sssed off fans that TRULY beleive our Dline is our weakest link!!
Miller will make the probowl!!!!! with Tony G gone and Gates staying in to block b/c whats hs name that took LT’s job cant blitz pick up!!1 LOL side note the DONKS are in SHAMBELS aswell !!! this year is honestly up for grabs IMHO!!! And thats No Kool-Aid!!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 6:07 am
Good Afternoon LMN (Sorry, keep forgetting you are on the other side of the world).
Good Morning, OAKlifer!
July 15th, 2009 at 6:09 am
The thinning of the herd continues, Watch your back Mr Huff your next.
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Lynn: this this bs and you know it! who is gonna beat him out? Keith Davis was just cut yesterday …
July 15th, 2009 at 6:10 am
good morning Hwnrdr, LMN, OAKlifer …
July 15th, 2009 at 6:11 am
Dakota,
Odom negotiating with 2 other teams. Laker’s have broken off negotiations and Buss is pissed after giving Odom the money he wanted and his agent turning it down. Looks like they are waiting to be able to deal with Portland.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers-lamar-odom15-2009jul15,0,5773043.story
July 15th, 2009 at 6:13 am
morning Double R,
Tricked again just scrolling down the blog and saw “watch your back Huff” I thought you was off the bandwagon!!! It was just len spoutin nonsense!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!
(make local habit)
EASTBAY STAND UP!!!!!!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 6:13 am
NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Frantz was my boy thats to bad, alas Mr. Davis COVETS speed youngsters, If you want to wear the silver and black go to speed camp!!!! Good luck to you Frantz your a stud and a stand up guy!!!
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Frantz Joseph had like 11 teams interested in him, including the Ravens. He chose the Raiders and they didn’t even give him a shot to hit somebody in training camp! yowsa! Frantz Joseph should have hired Usain Bolt as a personal trainer
July 15th, 2009 at 6:13 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S, IT IS CALLED CARMA / WHAT GO’S AROUND-COME’S AROUND, THE RAIDERS COULD DO NO WRONG FROM LATE 60′S -EARLY 80′S. THAT IS BITING THEM IN THE AZZ NOW. ( PAST 6 YRS) THAT RUBBER BAND WILL SPRING BACK THE OTHER WAY SOON..
July 15th, 2009 at 6:16 am
RR,
You were RIGHT, and I was WRONG!!
Don’t get used to it! Excpetions do happen!
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Raider O: it takes a real man to admit when he’s wrong. Look on the bright side. At least now we can call you the “Sand Man” instead of Frantz Joseph
July 15th, 2009 at 6:16 am
good morning Dirt Lot!
July 15th, 2009 at 6:18 am
Mornign to you guys, RRS, Dirtlot, exLA, Oaklifer…
HwnRdr…. yeah its 3 in the afternoon…hardly morning =)
July 15th, 2009 at 6:19 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 6:11 am
Dakota,
Odom negotiating with 2 other teams. Laker’s have broken off negotiations and Buss is pissed after giving Odom the money he wanted and his agent turning it down. Looks like they are waiting to be able to deal with Portland.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers-lamar-odom15-2009jul15,0,5773043.story
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LOL you mean Dallas and Miami right i know its early…………Portland has a offer out on Milsap Utha has a few more days to match we are either going to sign him or force them in to a three team trade that would land us Kirk Hienrich!!! They cant have Bozzer and Milsap both one has to go!!!1 Odem is a punk and needs to sign that deal unless he thinks Cuban (another punk) will over pay him for his services as a 30 yr old swingman!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!
(Portland and Oakland)
Got to love the spring in the rubber band!!!! KARMA will get ya every time!!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 6:21 am
5 more players will be cut before training camp.
Which players will it be?
UDFA’s Miller, Bayes, Compas, Bryant, Boyd, Nixon are the front runners.
other players in danger are: Andrew Walter, Bruce Gradkowski, Samie Parker, Gary Russell, Darrell Strong, Derrick Gray, Jason Horton, JP Foschi
July 15th, 2009 at 6:22 am
Dirtlot…
well you call it karma, but we were better when football was old fashioned.. what we should focus on is, our bad streaks usually are for 7 years, so in a near future it will change and we will get our 3 good years =)
July 15th, 2009 at 6:26 am
our bad streaks usually are for 7 years, so in a near future it will change and we will get our 3 good years
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problem is even though Al Davis isn’t expecting playoffs, Tom Cable is. If he talks up this team as having 8-12 win potential and we finish with 4 or 5 he might be canned after 1 year like Art Shell. Then I doubt we’d have those 3 good years you speak of right out of the gate with yet another new HC
July 15th, 2009 at 6:32 am
Good point Rockstar!
I say drown in the kool aid…this is going to be an interesting year!
July 15th, 2009 at 6:33 am
Did you guys see Danny Southwick throw out the first pitch last night?
STTEEEEEEERIKE!!!!!!
I also won $50 in a bar pool – runs had to equal seven.
July 15th, 2009 at 6:41 am
When Sam Williams get cut, we know that this team is in the power of Cable, if SW stays, its all Al and Cable is yet another puppet…
July 15th, 2009 at 6:42 am
Player Profile: LB Ricky Brown
Entering his fourth year in the National Football League with The Oakland Raiders, linebacker Ricky Brown is excited about picking up where he left off last season as the starting outside linebacker and building his reputation in the NFL.
Brown has played in 29 league games, with seven starts and he has tallied 44 solo tackles, mostly on special teams. On October 26th of last year, just as he was becoming a key figure with the Silver and Black, he suffered an injury against the Baltimore Ravens, causing him to miss the second half of the season. He underwent surgery during the off-season and is looking to rebound.
“I spent most of my off-season out here rehabbing and now I’m ready to go,” said Brown recently.
This determined player dedicated the entire off-season to his recovery to make sure that the transition from the training room to the football field would be as smooth as possible. Although this transition can be a challenge for any athlete after surgery, Ricky wants all Raider fans to know that his recovery is going well.
“I’m excited and I have been feeling great,” said Brown. “I’m ready to pick up right where I left off last season and continue to establish my reputation as a good linebacker.”
The 6′2″, 235-pound Boston College product was an undrafted rookie but was picked up by the Raiders in 2006 and impressed during training camp. He was placed on the practice squad before that season and was called to the active roster in October of 2006. Since then Brown has had no problem fitting in with the rest of his teammates and calls his relationship with fellow linebackers Thomas Howard and Kirk Morrison a really special thing.
“It’s awesome because when I am in the heat of the battle, I can just look beside me and see Kirk or T-How and I know that they have my back and are thinking the same thing I am. It’s not often that you get to play with other players like that, so it’s been great,” Brown says. “Not only are they great teammates but they’re great friends of mine. We have a good time, whether it is talking about football or just talking about life.”
Although he spent most of his time rehabbing in the Bay Area this off-season, he usually goes back to Ohio to visit with family and friends. Growing up in Cincinnati he played everything – from football to basketball to track – but his fondest memories revolve around the game he plays today.
“Going through high school, I think it’s important to broaden your horizons and play everything,” said Ricky. “I was really close to my friends during that time and one of the things we enjoyed the most was playing football. It’s a great sport and I think there are a lot of positive things to take from it.”
Although home is where the heart is, Brown loves being in the Bay Area and being part of the Raider Nation.
“It’s something that is hard to describe, but when you play here you completely understand it. There is no one else like the Raiders and the fans are the same way,” Brown says proudly. “Playing here is something that I will never forget.”
Brown will have his work cut out for him this during this year’s training camp, as rookie Slade Norris and veterans Jon Alston and Sam Williams, among others, will provide plenty of competition for the fourth-year pro.
By Larisa Croitor (Raiders website)
July 15th, 2009 at 6:45 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 6:41 am
When Sam Williams get cut, we know that this team is in the power of Cable, if SW stays, its all Al and Cable is yet another puppet…
You know, these scholorship players really need to step it up, or get canned. But you are right, LMN…
July 15th, 2009 at 6:45 am
START SIGHNING CONTRACTS, GET EVERYONE IN ON TIME…
July 15th, 2009 at 6:50 am
START SIGHNING CONTRACTS, GET EVERYONE IN ON TIME…
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no kidding. signing Heyward-Bey & Mitchell might be tricky since they were both reaches, but there is no reason Shaughnessy, Murphy, Norris & Myers shouldn’t already be signed!
July 15th, 2009 at 6:51 am
Mornin’ mornin’ crew.
Repost from yesterday:
Cassel just got $15 to play this yr. Only Schaub is making more in the NFL!!!!
How does that make you feel about about JR’s contract?
The 2 rookie QBs will make more anyday now.
July 15th, 2009 at 6:53 am
RaiderTW…
well how many games has Schaub or Cassel won, compared to Russell =) LOL
July 15th, 2009 at 6:55 am
I agree Rockstar…Is HeyBey holding out? Any word on what’s going on there? Mitchell I hope turns out to be the second coming of the Assasin! And with the Raiders…we’ll see, though.
July 15th, 2009 at 6:56 am
LMN, With their present team?
How many games would JR win with NE’s offline? Dline? Receivers?
CXassel ain’t got them no more!!!hahahaha
He’s got KC’s oline that made our D line look good, and that’s hard to do!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 6:57 am
TW: the Chiefs would have paid at least that if they would have drafted Mark Sanchez. Cassel was coached by Belichek, mentoring by Brady and put up solid numbers last year in 15 starts. Cassel has shown he can do it on the NFL level. hate to say this, but smart move by the chefs!
I expect Cassel to struggle early on. new (not as good) coaching staff. new (not as good) teammates
AFC West has a tough schedule this year.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:02 am
Is HeyBey holding out? Any word on what’s going on there? Mitchell I hope turns out to be the second coming of the Assasin! And with the Raiders…we’ll see, though.
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Not sure. I hope the Raiders don’t try to shoot lowball offers at these players and insult them. In reality, DHB should be paid like a 18-25th overall selection and Mitchell should be paid like a 5th rounder or maybe right at the same amount as Shaughnessy (3rd round). However – it’s not the players’ fault that the Raiders selected them so high. DHB will expect more money than Crabtree. Mitchell will expect more money than every safety chosen behind him …
July 15th, 2009 at 7:07 am
problem is even though Al Davis isn’t expecting playoffs, Tom Cable is.
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Double R I dnt buy that for one min theres one thing Davis is and thats a smart man he knows he wnt live for ever and he WANTS to win NOW!!!! imho
July 15th, 2009 at 7:08 am
Yup, it’s not there fault, so with that being said…Al better open up his checkbook and get them into camp. Not saying break the bank on these guys, but pay them, get them signed and ready to go!
Getting anxious…Let’s Go Raiders!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 7:08 am
RR, you’re right but did you see any KC games last year? I thought OUR pass protection was bad!!! Cassel better be light on his feet. Remember how many QBs KC went thru, bad Olines. I was really surprised we lost to them at all.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:09 am
OAKlifer: no doubt Al Davis wants to win now, but he doesn’t expect to win now based on the talent on the roster and the upcoming schedule. He said as much at the presser
July 15th, 2009 at 7:09 am
Did you guys see Danny Southwick throw out the first pitch last night?
STTEEEEEEERIKE!!!!!!
I also won $50 in a bar pool – runs had to equal seven.
Now thats good luck!!!!!!!!!!
SOUTHWICK will beat out Garcia!!!!!!
did some one ask me to drown them in kool-aid???
intresting yes!!!! impossible NO!!!!!! WE WILL WIN MORE THAN WE LOSE THIS YEAR!!!!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 7:13 am
Good morning Gents.
Can I Join the morning crew?
I can’t take it!! Reposting the same thing, fighting, name calling, etc…
You guys are more relaxed, I like that.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:14 am
Is HeyBey holding out?
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They are waiting for the first 6 picks to be signed or at least the first 2 to set a standard for 09 draft pay.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:15 am
Raider O, let’s bus their table & get fresh coffee & they may let us sit down. lol
July 15th, 2009 at 7:16 am
did you see any KC games last year? I thought OUR pass protection was bad!!! Cassel better be light on his feet. Remember how many QBs KC went thru, bad Olines. I was really surprised we lost to them at all.
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TW: I live in Missouri brother. the Chiefs are on TV every Sunday … I’ve seen plenty of games and I know their o-line is in shambles. The Chiefs started 2 rookies at CB last year and Russell’s play was awful in that 2nd game we played against them. Cable’s play calling was pretty horrid as well. We basically lost the game on that fake Fg attempt. Janikowski for a 17 yard run? seriously?
Don’t forget. Cassel got sacked 47 times behind New England’s line last year and threw 11 INT’s. Russell was sacked 31 times and threw 8 INT’s (although not as many yards or TD’s either!)
July 15th, 2009 at 7:17 am
Hayez, good counterpoints. Notice the intectually inferior KK has no response to it…And why is it everyday, the same whining self-righteous babies continue to post about Al Davis. Heads up to you punk a$$es, Al created this, you have a problem, I suggest you find a new team than subject yourself to this supposed oppression you’re under.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:19 am
Hey guys…(Raider O, TW)
Welcome to AM crew!!! I know about the evening posts. I used to go in there during that time, too. Too much politics, name calling, bad vibes…etc.
Grab a cup and relax!
July 15th, 2009 at 7:20 am
RaiderTW…
no, but at least they won more than 2 games..
July 15th, 2009 at 7:20 am
Raider O & TW: I’m not the ring leader here, i’m just a greeter. Sort of like you get at Wal-Mart. Most mornings I buy the coffee. I buy the breakfast once a week unless the wife goes on a shopping spree!
you’ll have to ask Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, LMN, NMF, BSJ, Exla or 4eva (where are you brother?)
Dakota & Vegas will be here shortly.
pretty awesome group if you ask me!
July 15th, 2009 at 7:20 am
TW,
We’ll be very quiet and respectful!!
lol
July 15th, 2009 at 7:21 am
on another note, I always liked Sandra Bullock, but what the hell has happened to her face? she looks more manly than Michael Jackson ever did…
July 15th, 2009 at 7:24 am
Hwnrdr is the spokesman of the AM crew. the voice, if you will. If he says you’re welcome … WELCOME!!!
RR: Gabby, get these boys some fresh coffee!
Gabby (waitress): right away sir
July 15th, 2009 at 7:24 am
Raider O…
huge difference, BHP and HD37 isnt here… thats why its relaxed =)
Yo MOD, give us 408 back, he was always in great mood…
July 15th, 2009 at 7:25 am
I always liked Sandra Bullock, but what the hell has happened to her face? she looks more manly than Michael Jackson ever did…
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LOL !!!
I can’t believe Kirstie Alley was ever popular!
July 15th, 2009 at 7:26 am
dammit…
RRS… send Gabby back, i dont drink coffee, coffein is bad for ya, ask her to give me nice cup of tea =)
July 15th, 2009 at 7:31 am
RR: Gabby! what are you serving here? p1ss? my coffee isn’t strong enough and I told you LMN wants tea!
you want a tip girl?
Gabby: I’m sorry sir. I’ll replace his coffee with tea and make you a fresh pot of the strong stuff
RR: atta girl
July 15th, 2009 at 7:33 am
Thanks mornin’ crew.
RR you more than anyone probably, knows what I go thru being a Raider fan in Denver! But really, I don’t know if I could stand living in Calif with little opposition to the Raiders, fan wise. I love giving the Donkey fans hell & taking their money. I’ve figured out the Donkey’s quirks & approx when they will lose. Is it the same for you & KC?
July 15th, 2009 at 7:34 am
without input from the AM crew and the likes of SnB Defense and Jhill, the PM crew would be worthless!
July 15th, 2009 at 7:35 am
LMN,
I like Hayes and BHP, I just don’t want to see our record for the past 20 yrs again!
July 15th, 2009 at 7:35 am
I all ready have $50 on the Raiders vs Donkeys for the 2 games this season.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Fuk Odom, sign Tim Thomas…..he can give us 15 minutes a game.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Thx AM crew, you guys are great.
Too bad about frantz, I was hoping to see him and MM on the field!!
July 15th, 2009 at 7:39 am
TW: the Chiefs are so bad that they can’t give me any grief for being a Raider fan. thanks the lovely part about it. I can actually brag about the Raiders, because the Chiefs & Rams only combined for 4 wins last year while the Raiders had 5. haha
most Chief fans I run into are either a part of my wife’s HUGE family or guys from church. It’s more of a friendly rivalry I guess you could say. I watch the Raider/Chief games with my wife’s uncle (huge KC fan) and we get to razz eachother. My buddy at church invited me to Arrowhead last year and this year for the game. couldn’t go last year. I might go this year
July 15th, 2009 at 7:39 am
# Raider O Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 7:35 am
LMN,
I like Hayes and BHP, I just don’t want to see our record for the past 20 yrs again!
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LOL, well I DONT, and i gets its mutual =) LOL
July 15th, 2009 at 7:42 am
good morning Dakota.
I see you’re bright and cheery this mornin’ (#261)
LOL
July 15th, 2009 at 7:45 am
Raider O: don’t worry about Frantz Joseph. we got Ricky Brown to retain that 3rd LB spot
Alston and Norris will back up Brown & Howard at OLB, unless Nixon and Williams outplay them in training camp (doubtful)
July 15th, 2009 at 7:45 am
RR,
I wouldn’t go, not to Arrowhead!
Those fans are as crazy as we are, not a good combo!
July 15th, 2009 at 7:46 am
gets its mutual = guess its…
July 15th, 2009 at 7:46 am
Wasn’t Nixon playing SS at 1st?!
July 15th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Dakota Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 7:35 am
Fuk Odom, sign Tim Thomas…..he can give us 15 minutes a game.
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Now ——-> you are talking
July 15th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Raider O..
remember the last attacks on the pe1estinian people? where I said the news americans got was no where near what we got?
July 15th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Raider O…
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8149464.stm
July 15th, 2009 at 7:52 am
LMN,
It’s a blog, and most of us come here to share our opinions on the Raiders. ( and other topics)
So far it’s been fun, but once it stops being fun, then it’s time to leave. IMO
Life is too short, so you should avoid stress as much as possible.
Work, family, and life in general are full of stress! Why add to it?!
July 15th, 2009 at 7:53 am
you’ll have to ask Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, LMN, NMF, BSJ, Exla or 4eva (where are you brother?)
Dakota & Vegas will be here shortly.
pretty awesome group if you ask me!
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I can handle being left off the list Double R but I think Ol bobby is going to reaaal mad when he see’s this!!!!!LOL
July 15th, 2009 at 7:57 am
LMN,
Human shields!!! I stopped reading it there!!
Where is the UN? How can we allow this to happen?
July 15th, 2009 at 8:03 am
LMN,
Dakota asks why they keep fighting?
Honor and anger.
I have Honor, and now I’m getting angry!!
July 15th, 2009 at 8:06 am
I vote to admit Raider O to the more tranquil A.M. crew. Do I get a second?
July 15th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Raider O…
furthermore, they tried a new weapon, an antipersonel…which mean its NOT allowed to use against human targets…
it was way dirty, but some in hrer cant remember who, kept talking about the plastic rockets pa1estinian had used… still american news gotta show this, i hope they do, though i have my doubts :/
July 15th, 2009 at 8:10 am
Take the politics though back to the P.M.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Hey guys…
Its time to finish some work. You all have a great day!
Also…I’ll be in Hawaii these next 2 weeks, so I’ll check in when I can…here and there…
Umtil then…you guys enjoy!!!
Aloha!
July 15th, 2009 at 8:14 am
I can handle being left off the list Double R but I think Ol bobby is going to reaaal mad when he see’s this!!!!!LOL
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OAKlifer: of course you’re part of the AM crew, but the Kool-Aid man is sort of in a league of his own. wouldn’t you agree? sort of like a sub committee called the “kool-aid gang” or something of that nature and I’d be honored if you, as chairman, would allow me to serve on this counsel as well
July 15th, 2009 at 8:15 am
see ya Hwnrdr! have a great day man
July 15th, 2009 at 8:16 am
LMN,
Why are you talking politics now?? Are you trying to get me in trouble with the AM crew? lol
Look bro,
Even if it was on TV, do you think it’s going to make the diff? Most people here that have real interest in world news know better than to just watch American media.
The AVG American like me had no time for local or world news. I worry about putting food on the table, buy a house, pay my bills, etc….
I have enough time to get onekind of news. Raiders news!
I love the Raiders, they make me forget!! So don’t remind me pls! lol
July 15th, 2009 at 8:16 am
I’ll be in Hawaii these next 2 weeks, so I’ll check in when I can…here and there…
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WHAT!?!?
Dirt Lot: did our invitations get lost in the mail ???
July 15th, 2009 at 8:17 am
hwnrdr
Have some fresh chocolate covered macedamian nuts for me. And some maui potato chips.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Wasn’t Nixon playing SS at 1st?!
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Raider O: no, you’re thinking of Jerome Boyd
Nixon was playing weak side linebacker behind T-How
July 15th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Aloha and take care.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:19 am
Ex,
No more politics from me in the AM.
Allow me to clean your table, and get you some fresh coffee Sir!!
lol
July 15th, 2009 at 8:20 am
what happened to BSJ?
I think he’s President of the Danny Southwick fanclub …
July 15th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Brown will have his work cut out for him this during this year’s training camp, as rookie Slade Norris and veterans Jon Alston and Sam Williams, among others, will provide plenty of competition for the fourth-year pro.
By Larisa Croitor (Raiders website)
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“Brown will have his work cut out for him” Riiight…
Camp competition is Slade Norris, Jon Alston and Sam Williams.
There is no competition. All four of these guys make the roster with Morrison and Howard.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:21 am
Allow me to clean your table, and get you some fresh coffee Sir!!
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put that down! Gabby has to EARN her tip! i’m not paying her for her looks. I got a wife for that!
July 15th, 2009 at 8:24 am
RR,
Boyd!! I don’t why I keep saying Nixon!
We all heard from Jerry and others that Boyd did well in OTAs. Do you think he will make the roster. 6′1 220+.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Camp competition is Slade Norris, Jon Alston and Sam Williams.
There is no competition. All four of these guys make the roster with Morrison and Howard.
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Cable said we’re keeping 7 LB’s on the 53 man roster and 2 more on the practice squad.
Morrison, Howard, Brown, Norris, Alston, Ekejiuba & Condo make 7 imo
Sam Williams won’t make the team unless he outplays Norris, Alston or Brown.
Morrison & Howard are locks to start at LB and Ekejiuba & Condo are locks for ST.
Nixon & O’Neill are likely headed for the practice squad, unless they are terrible in training camp
July 15th, 2009 at 8:27 am
We all heard from Jerry and others that Boyd did well in OTAs. Do you think he will make the roster. 6′1 220+.
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he’s a project. converted LB to safety. We don’t know how well he can cover or tackle in NO-CONTACT OTA’s
he might make the practice squad, but I doubt he’d even beat Darrick Brown out of a roster spot and there is no way he replaces Huff!
July 15th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Do we keep 4 or 5 Ss?
Who do we keep? Eugene, MM, Branch, Huff, or does Boyd make the roster instead of Eugene or Huff?
July 15th, 2009 at 8:28 am
why would you even want to go to the Raiders as a tight end/
They have Zach.
He’s excellent and nobody’s going to beat him out for that position.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:29 am
sort of like a sub committee called the “kool-aid gang” or something of that nature and I’d be honored if you, as chairman, would allow me to serve on this counsel as well
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Done your now the VP of operations!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Darnell bin 2.0
he’s a project. converted LB to safety. We don’t know how well he can cover or tackle in NO-CONTACT OTA’s
IMHO
July 15th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Raider O…
I talk about what i want to talk about… as long its possible to keep it civil, I dont care what the topic is, no-one ever said the AM crew was ONLY about saying goodmorning… its about being cool and behaved =)
July 15th, 2009 at 8:30 am
**Bing
July 15th, 2009 at 8:31 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:20 am
what happened to BSJ?
I think he’s President of the Danny Southwick fanclub …
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LOL,yeah and we all here know that Southwick will be the franchise QB for the next 15 years =)
July 15th, 2009 at 8:31 am
RR,
OK!! I get it! Huff stays. lol
July 15th, 2009 at 8:32 am
LOL. you’re right OAKlifer. I forgot all about Darnell Bing! perfect example. we even WASTED a 4th round pick on Bing from USC …
“Done your now the VP of operations!!!!”
Sweet
July 15th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Equal and Hazelnut creamer please. LOL
July 15th, 2009 at 8:34 am
Southwick!! On a mission from God!
Southwick!! He is supeior Talent!!
Vote Southwick or Die!!
July 15th, 2009 at 8:36 am
Raider O: I think Hiram Eugene stays, by virtue of scholarship … Tom Cable loves this kid for some odd reason and lists him as part of the core leadership group on defense. Gerard Warren too
Hopefully Huff will be given every opportunity though. He deserves a 1 year trial in John Marshall’s defense. If he gets outplayed by Eugene, Branch or even Mitchell – he’s gone next year.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:37 am
I liked Bing! I thought he was the steal of the draft!
Why didn’t we try him at SS?
July 15th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Ok, last post before I leave…
LOL…the AM crew is welcome to join me for a Luau and lots of drinks…choc covered mac nuts, Maui chips and anything else you can think of…Island girl waitresses…Tomorrow, Macadamia Coffee on me…
Aloha all!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Vote Southwick or Die!!
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Raider O: calm down brother. we’re not that drastic. this is America. you’re living here now. remember?
Vote Southwick. change you can believe in
July 15th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Raider O Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:28 am
Do we keep 4 or 5 Ss?
Who do we keep? Eugene, MM, Branch, Huff, or does Boyd make the roster instead of Eugene or Huff?
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Eugene (Starter), Branch (Starter), Huff, Mitchell
That’s your 4 Safeties.
Folks….John Marshall better bring it. The defense will be unchanged from last yr…except with the addition of Greg Ellis….which increasingly doesn’t make a lot of sense if they are keeping Burgess around.
They are the same player. My concern…what happens to Trevor Scott….He should get the chance to start…but that would depend on if he bulked up enough and can be stout against the run.
The DEs are all situational guys…is there an every down DE in this group?
July 15th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Ex,
You got it!
Do you Want some Hummus with that?
July 15th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Hwnrdr: better get some Maui wowie (sp?) for Raider O!
July 15th, 2009 at 8:40 am
sorry if im a bit slow, who do you compare to Darnell Bing (the former savior of this franchise)
July 15th, 2009 at 8:43 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:20 am
what happened to BSJ?
I think he’s President of the Danny Southwick fanclub …
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RaiderRockstar Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:38 am
Vote Southwick or Die!!
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Raider O: calm down brother. we’re not that drastic. this is America. you’re living here now. remember?
Vote Southwick. change you can believe in
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YES WE CAN!!!!!!!
Where’s Dakota? I think Southwick may have to fill on for Odom at PF next year…
July 15th, 2009 at 8:43 am
RR,
I forgot!! My bad!
Legalize it!!
July 15th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Raider O Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Ex,
You got it!
Do you Want some Hummus with that?
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And a falafel with a side of tabouli. Thx for asking.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:45 am
im going to make myself a smoothie =)
July 15th, 2009 at 8:46 am
Raider O Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:39 am
Ex,
You got it!
Do you Want some Hummus with that?
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mmmmmmm, Hummus. Actually I prefer Baba Ghanouj…
July 15th, 2009 at 8:46 am
I get the hummus and fresh pita from a Middle Eastern Market that gets their bread daily from Dearborn, Mi.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:49 am
John Marshall better bring it. The defense will be unchanged from last yr…
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personnel wise, yes. defensive playcalling, teaching, fundamentals, gap discipline, interchangable safeties, prevent D in the 4th, coverage LB’s only – NO!
personnel wise we’ve added Norris & Nixon to replace Robert Thomas & Marquis Cooper (RIP). Boschetti to replace Wakefield. Shaughnessy & Ellis to replace Kalimba Edwards and probably Jay Richardson. Mitchell to replace Gibril Wilson. CJ steps in for DeAngelo Hall.
plus defensive starters Burgess, Kelly, Warren, Edwards, Brown & Asomugha all battled injuries at some point last year. Tyvon Branch might have also seen extended playing time if not for injury.
I’m thinking the defense will be more improved than you think!
July 15th, 2009 at 8:52 am
We will be much better on Defense just because Ryan is gone. Unless you like to concentrate onpizza during film sessions.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Branch over Huff?
I don’t think so! Unless you want to see the same problems we had with Wilson back there, you know getting beat over the top for TDs. Branch has shown nothing to suggest that he will be anything more than a young Jarrod Cooper.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:52 am
PM crew take :
When the Al Davis (NL baseball) had Willie Mays, Roberto Clemente and Henry Aaron he never lost a mid-summer classic. But stop living in the past! Al Davis (NL baseball) has lost it! Clueless! Can’t choose the right players. 13 consecutive years without a win! Disgusting! Horrible! Unconscionable! Al Davis (NL baseball) should just quit!
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AM crew take :
Man, Rivera is lights out and Carl Crawford made a helluva catch.
constant vilification (PM), or civility with humor and honest observations (AM).
good morning
July 15th, 2009 at 8:54 am
Michael Huff has a tough mountain to climb. No one likes him. Davis blamed Shell for drafting him…..and Cable targeted Huff the 1st chance he could.
He might even get cut.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:55 am
M Lonetree,
You are an enlightened soul. LOL
July 15th, 2009 at 8:56 am
I feel a lot better about the DE situation than I did last year this time. The fact that we are not talking about Jay Richards as a starter speaks volumes. I think the top 4 guys are going to be Ellis, Scott, Burgess, and Shaugnessy, with a sprinkle of Gunhiem. I think that is a solid group of guys including our future everydown guys Scott and Shaugnessy.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:57 am
They will give Huff a chance. But I would bet you u that he is not above Branch on the depth chart.
Plus they drafted Mike Mitchell with a 1st day draft pick.
Since when does a 5-11 team use a 1st day draft pick for depth? So Huff would have to overcome Mitchell too.
Hiram Eugene is starting folks.
July 15th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Branch over Huff?
I don’t think so! Unless you want to see the same problems we had with Wilson back there, you know getting beat over the top for TDs. Branch has shown nothing to suggest that he will be anything more than a young Jarrod Cooper.
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Exactly. Branch was drafted to be our ST gunner and depth at DB. He got injured on a KR with no contact! coming off of major shoulder injury/surgery. played CB in college. Is this kid durable enough to start at SS? Plus Jerry Mac & David White were reporting weekly that reserve TE’s Tony Stewart, Darrell Strong & Chris O’Neill were abusing him in pass coverage during OTA’s. Imagine what Antonio Gates or Tony Scheffler would do to him then !!!
July 15th, 2009 at 8:58 am
When I lived in Ohio, I used to drive to DB,Mich. With Chicago and NY they have the best Mid eastern foods.
Try Kinafah. It’s great. If you go to DB, try the Ajami resturant and Habeebah for Kinafah.
You guys are making me hungry!
July 15th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Guess wat I just learned! Danny Southwick’s mom is LARRY KING’S WIFE!!!! Holy smokes!
I wonder if Larry and Al have a relationship from back in the Brooklyn days….it would explain a bit about Danny’s unexpected pro opportunity.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:02 am
RR,
Did you ever try Mid Rastern Foods?
July 15th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Michael Huff has a tough mountain to climb. No one likes him. Davis blamed Shell for drafting him…..and Cable targeted Huff the 1st chance he could.
He might even get cut.
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Nnamdi Asomugha said that Huff is the most improved player in camp & OTA’s and is poised for a breakout season. I’m pretty sure Nnamdi knows something about pass defense. Has anybody heard Nnamdi sing the praises of Mitchell, Branch, Eugene, Boyd or D. Brown ??? I haven’t …
July 15th, 2009 at 9:03 am
*Eastern
July 15th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Q: What did Tyvon Branch show you in the brief time he was health last year?
Coach Cable: He’s an explosive football player. He can really run. He’s very explosive – really instinctive on the ball. The place I thought we were most hurt by his loss was on special teams. When he was playing he made a tremendous amount of plays, and that’s what you expect your young guys to do.
Q: Is he (Branch) very similar to Mitchell? Can they both be out there at the same time?
Coach Cable: There’s no question they could both be out there at the same time because they both can run, they both have played centerfield, and they both can play up in the box.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:04 am
Nnamdi also liked DHall and didn’t understand why he was benched last year.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Raider O,
What part of Ohio? I’m in N.W. Ohio.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:08 am
If we cut Huff, we are in trouble.
We’d be basically left with 2 rookies, and Hiram Eugene.
Huff was solid as a SS. Only thing he didn’t do was knock someone’s head off. But he was 3rd on the team in tackles behind Morrison and Howard, and he NEVER got beat in coverage. Never!
I don’t see what the problem is.
And Mitchell was drafted to take the FS spot folks. Our SS does not patrol the middle for possible big hits like they are talking Mitchell up for. All you hear about is having an intimidating presence back their so WRs will think twice. Well news flash folks, our SS plays man to man against TEs first and foremost.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Guess wat I just learned! Danny Southwick’s mom is LARRY KING’S WIFE!!!! Holy smokes!
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LOL! you’re right
his mom, Shawn Southwick/King is a country music star and she’s HOT. hahaha
July 15th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Q: You got Tyvon (Branch) last year and this guy (Mitchell) this year, what does that mean for Michael Huff?
A: It means we made our team better. We have three safeties here right now so this gives us a fourth. So, you have some real competition. We lost Rashad Baker to free agency. You have competition now to get us back to Raider style of football and that’s the reason I wanted this guy so bad. He’s a real physical player and you guys will like that about him.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:11 am
The place I thought we were most hurt by his loss was on special teams. When he was playing he made a tremendous amount of plays, and that’s what you expect your young guys to do.
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Which means he’ll be back in that STs role, right? Do you know ANY other starting S that plays STs gunner?
Huff is starting at SS, with Mitchell and Eugene battling it out at FS. You know we play 3 safeties a lot though, so I can see Branch getting on the field.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Cable said of Branch:
“The place I thought we were most hurt by his loss was on special teams.”
BINGO!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:12 am
Raider 0,
For some of the best med food in SoCal and the best shawarma:
http://www.zankouchicken.com/
July 15th, 2009 at 9:13 am
jhill Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:08 am
If we cut Huff, we are in trouble.
We’d be basically left with 2 rookies, and Hiram Eugene.
Huff was solid as a SS. Only thing he didn’t do was knock someone’s head off. But he was 3rd on the team in tackles behind Morrison and Howard, and he NEVER got beat in coverage. Never!
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I have games on my DVR that prove otherwise. I want Huff to succeed, but don’t rep him like he’s been a factor. I’ve seen easy picks bounce off his chest on numurous occasions. We drafted this guy to be a FS, and he played best at SS. Mitchell was drafted to be a SS, lets hope Huff steps it up and does what he was drafted to do. Get picks!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:13 am
True, Huff the Tragic Longhorn (a long list of failed cattle in the NFL, what is up with that?), has shown some pass coverage abilities v. TEs. Yet, the most constant observation from my point of view is Huff’s stand-out ability to avoid contact with any ball-carrier. Blame schemes if you wish, but not everyone is cut out for the mayhem of professional football. Perhaps he will decide that it is okay to get his nose dirty and to tackle someone every so often. Who knows what lays in the young man’s heart?
July 15th, 2009 at 9:15 am
You have competition now to get us back to Raider style of football and that’s the reason I wanted this guy so bad. He’s a real physical player and you guys will like that about him.
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sounds like Derrick Gibson. he had GREAT cover skills
July 15th, 2009 at 9:15 am
M,
How does a guy end up 3rd on the team in tackles avoiding contact?
July 15th, 2009 at 9:17 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
Take the politics though back to the P.M.
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Watch out LMN, O. The mornin’ crew has a bouncer at their table. lol
July 15th, 2009 at 9:17 am
lets hope Huff steps it up and does what he was drafted to do. Get picks!
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AZ: how many INT’s did Huff have in college? check it out. you might be surprised. he’s never been a ballhawk.
Maybe you’re thinking of Stuart Schweigert, who broke Rod Woodson’s INT record at Purdue?
July 15th, 2009 at 9:18 am
JHill,
The reason why Branch’s contribution last yr was primarily special teams was because Gibril Wilson was the starter.
I like Huff by the way. But the Mike Mitchell drafting sealed his fate in my opinion.
Again, when a team is 5-11..they don’t draft for depth on the 1st day. You are looking for starters.
If they loved Huff…they wouldn’t have spent a 1st day pick on a safety
July 15th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Az,
The year Huff played SS, he shut down Gates twice, Gonzales twice, and Winslow. and that’s just off the top of my head.
I know you guys are looking for the big hits, or ummm physical play from that position, and yeah, Huff is not that guy. But of the guys we have on the roster now, and what they are being asked to do, Huff is the best person for the job. Taking Gates out of the game on opening night is pretty important, right?
July 15th, 2009 at 9:19 am
RaiderTW Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:17 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
Take the politics though back to the P.M.
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Watch out LMN, O. The mornin’ crew has a bouncer at their table. lol
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LMFAO
July 15th, 2009 at 9:20 am
With Keith Davis getting cut…it assures that Huff will make the roster.
HOw is Huff going to beat out Hiram Eugene?
July 15th, 2009 at 9:22 am
S&B: I think drafting Mike Mitchell had more to do with Gibril Wilson , the former “physical presence” than Michael Huff
call me crazy!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:22 am
jhill Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:19 am
Az,
I know you guys are looking for the big hits, or ummm physical play from that position, and yeah, Huff is not that guy. But of the guys we have on the roster now, and what they are being asked to do, Huff is the best person for the job.
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From the coach:
Q: Tom, you mentioned him coming along in the past few weeks and we heard that from analysts too. Some people would hear that and think he’s a size and speed guy. What’s his body of work from Ohio?
A: Very physical guy. Again, when you see some highlights from this guy when they cut it up, you’ll see a guy who reminds you of, and I don’t want to put too much pressure on him, but he has that Ronnie Lott and Jack Tatum mentality as a player. He knocks players out, knocks piles back, knocks runners back and receivers back. A very smart football player, been about a 3 ½ year starter for them. A very, very physical player with good size.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:23 am
SnB,
They spent a first day pick on a S because Hiram Eugene needed to be upgraded.
Again, is there any examples of a starting S being a special teams gunner?
July 15th, 2009 at 9:24 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:22 am
S&B: I think drafting Mike Mitchell had more to do with Gibril Wilson , the former “physical presence” than Michael Huff
call me crazy!
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So is Huff looking at FS – needs to beat out Eugene
Or is he looking to be SS – the position of the former physical presence.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:24 am
“HOw is Huff going to beat out Hiram Eugene?”
Huff couldn’t beat a 6 year old at Candy Land!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:25 am
Please bow your heads and say a prayer (to the deity of your choice) for John Marshall.
If he can turn this front seven into something that resembles a tackle football team then he deserves immediate enshrinement.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:25 am
SnB
Huff is not in competition with Eugene, Mitchell is.
Huff will be back in the SS/R role.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:25 am
JHill,
So is Huff competing for SS or FS?
July 15th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Taking Gates out of the game on opening night is pretty important, right?
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a solid/reliable TE is a QB’s best friend, especially a young or inexperienced QB (ask Russell!)
Cassel & Orton will rely heavily on their TE’s and running game imo. Gates will always be a go-to guy in San Diego, because of his Pro Bowl quality play unless he’s injured
July 15th, 2009 at 9:26 am
I used to live in Columbus! Home of The Ohio State University!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:27 am
Az,
Lott and Tatum played FS, right? Mitchell will too.
Eugene to the bench in favor of Mitchell. I don’t disagree with you that Mitchell will most likely be in the starting lineup. But Branch WILL NOT start over Huff. Not going to happen!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Twocents Says:
Please bow your heads and say a prayer (to the deity of your choice) for John Marshall.
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lol, I think Ryan is going to look like Shiva the Destroyer in Cleveland this yr. He will add 3-5 loses to their D while we pick up 3-5 wins just because he’s GONE!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:30 am
jhill Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:25 am
SnB
Huff is not in competition with Eugene, Mitchell is.
Huff will be back in the SS/R role.
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Okay…That’s what I was thinking. I still don’t see him beating out Tyvon Branch. Branch is going to be a more physical player than Huff. So Huff better bring his lockdown coverage skills.
But remember the last time they had him at SS. He was getting beat up a lot in that position
July 15th, 2009 at 9:31 am
After two uneventful seasons, Huff will be the one doing the transforming, from an ordinary strong safety into a playmaking free safety worthy of his No. 7 overall selection in the 2006 draft.
His mission: bring an end to the broken tackles, open-field whiffs and botched assignments that have become trademarks of the Raiders’ last line of defense since Rod Woodson was released four years ago.
“They brought me here to make plays,” said Huff, who admits he couldn’t much tell an Autobot (good guys) from a Decepticon (boo) before the movie was released in 2007.
“I’m playing a position I want to play, so it’s making me strive harder to prove to everybody that he’s right by making me switch to free safety.”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/29/SPQP120PE1.DTL#ixzz0LLXDFFUE&D
July 15th, 2009 at 9:32 am
S&B: Wilson got cut for 2 reasons and neither one of those is money.
#1 he got abused in pass coverage
#2 he ran his mouth, voiced his displeasure
He was every bit of the physical presence Davis & Ryan were looking for, but every QB found his weakness and exploited it. He finished with over 100 tackles for pete’s sake! If a veteran paid the big bucks coming from a SB champion is dismissed like that after only 1 season, what do you think Mitchell’s chances are?
If he can’t cover, he won’t be starting. We know Huff can cover!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:32 am
He knew that Huff was misdiagnosed as an NFL strong safety. The position is geared toward muscle-bound bruisers. Huff weighed but 193 pounds at the end of last season. He hasn’t reached his listed playing weight of 205 pounds.
Problem was, Kiffin had no better options at the time. Year 2 for Huff was doomed to be as impact-free as Year 1.
“He was doing the best he could,” Kiffin said. “Was he out of position? Sure, he was out of position. But it was something that, there weren’t other people at that position so he played there.
“I think whenever you have a passion for something, you’re going to be better at it. (Free safety) is where he always wanted to be, where his body is best fit to be, and you can see it by his body language.”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/29/SPQP120PE1.DTL#ixzz0LLXlHOR9&D
July 15th, 2009 at 9:32 am
EX,
I lived in Columbus and attended Nothland High, home of the Vikings.
Used to live on the 161 and Cleveland Ave, raintree Apts.
That was 11/12 years ago.
I love Ohio, but not more than Cali!! lol
July 15th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Raider O Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:26 am
I used to live in Columbus! Home of The Ohio State University!
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My daughter lives in Pataskala, just E. of Columbus.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Ex,
As for the ME foods, we are not even close to what Mich has to offer. Trust me, I had both.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:38 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 8:40 am
sorry if im a bit slow, who do you compare to Darnell Bing (the former savior of this franchise)
Sorry i’m later than you…..And Iloved the Bing pick I was on board is that kid even in the NFL????
“no, you’re thinking of Jerome Boyd”*
“he’s a project. converted LB to safety. We don’t know how well he can cover or tackle in NO-CONTACT OTA’s”*
~*posted by Double R
July 15th, 2009 at 9:38 am
JHill,
I do not doubt that your facts are accurate per MHuff being third in team tackles. Perhaps it is just one of life’s mysteries that a ballplayer can accrue such stats without ever once stopping a ball-carrier cold.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:39 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:32 am
S&B: Wilson got cut for 2 reasons and neither one of those is money.
If he can’t cover, he won’t be starting. We know Huff can cover!
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But can Huff excel as a strong safety. I think he sees himself as a free safety. He got beat up the last time
July 15th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Just my opinion SnB,
We will see how it shakes out in a few weeks.
We will just have to see how Marshall’s plan comes together. But if it is anything like we have seen before, the SS’s main goal IN OUR RAIDER 3 defense is to play man to man with the TE. Best man on the team for that job right now is Huff.
Hopefully, the responsibilty of stopping the run shifts to th front 7 and our SECONDARY can concentrate of the recievers. I don’t think, or at least I hope that the big hits people want our S’s to make out not on running plays!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:41 am
Ex,
Say what! lol
I never been there. Been to Cleveland, Cinci, Mich, Canada, Indiana, and I lived 6 months in louisville KY.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Mornin, O, RR, SNB D, OAK, Jhill, Tree
July 15th, 2009 at 9:42 am
SnB,
What do you mean he got beat up as a SS?
He was 3rd on the team in tackles and I NEVER saw him get run over like I saw Wilson get run over 3 at least 3 times this past season.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:43 am
I’ll be back later, it’s time to work.
Thank you AM crew, this was fun.
TW,
I think we found a home bro!! lol
Later Gents.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:45 am
POST 323!!!1
Good Work
July 15th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Later O peace my brother!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:47 am
But can Huff excel as a strong safety. I think he sees himself as a free safety. He got beat up the last time
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I never said Huff was a SS, Jhill did. Jerry Mac reported Huff was playing some SS at OTA’s, but we don’t know if he was tried exclusively at SS or just on occasion, since media has limited access. Cable benched Huff as soon as Cable was handed the reigns. Huff had how many starts at FS after starting his first 2 seasons or 32 games at SS? 5 starts at FS is enough? I don’t think so, neither did Nnamdi. Rob Ryan was a joke and should have been fired along with Norv Turner prior to the 2006 season …
your FS should play centerfield and help in pass coverage. your SS should play down in the box on running plays or cover the TE on passing plays
what an idiot to put slender Huff down in the box, setting up up for failure behind our terrible front seven.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Jhill,
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Huff is happy, all right. His cleats have springs, his shoulders lack slump, and he talks more fun-oriented trash at practice than ever before.
The desired results came Saturday. Huff dropped deep in pass coverage, read JaMarcus Russell’s eyes and broke for the ball just in time for his first camp interception.
No longer is his speed being wasted covering tight ends twice his size. Gone are the days of being voided at the line of scrimmage by unshakeable guards and fullbacks. When Huff said he was “frustrated about stuff,” he was talking about that stuff.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/29/SPQP120PE1.DTL#ixzz0LLbSIKQE&D
July 15th, 2009 at 9:47 am
Oaklifer….looks like Odom might be trying to wait for the Milsap offer to be matched and hook up with Portland…WTF would they want him? Don’t they already have a stacked front court and good SFs? I just don’t get it….
July 15th, 2009 at 9:49 am
later O!
morning Dirty!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:50 am
“It wasn’t truly where his heart was. His heart was back there at free. Being able to make those type of plays, especially with his size.”
First, the Raiders needed to find a suitable replacement at strong safety. Kiffin promised Huff he’d look for one in the offseason. By March, he delivered San Jose native Gibril Wilson, the physical helmet hunter from the world-champ Giants.
Huff didn’t get a follow-up call saying free safety was his. He didn’t need one.
“As soon as we picked up Gibril, I kind of knew it was on,” Huff said. “I’m out there running around, having fun. Make Gibril take on all the tackles, guards and fullbacks and all that. I can stay back there and make plays.
“I have no excuses now, so it’s on me.”
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/29/SPQP120PE1.DTL#ixzz0LLcATAMg&D
July 15th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Michael Huff has a big mountain to climb.
He’s not a strong safety and has gone on record saying he does not like the position…got beat up
Hiram Eugene and Mike Mitchell are pining for that FS job. Cable loves Eugene’s work ethic and leadership.
Good luck Michael Huff
July 15th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Gone are the days of being voided at the line of scrimmage by unshakeable guards and fullbacks. Huff said he was “frustrated about stuff”
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Exactly. thats putting your players in a position to fail!
do you guys see Brian Dawkins or Ed Reed being met at the line of scrimmage by guards and fullbacks?
July 15th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Raider O,
I’ve headed the other direction. Born in Chicago. Moved to SoCal. To Mpls, Toledo, Chicago and back to N.W. Ohio. Been to Pa, N.Dak, S. Dak, Wisc. Nev, Arizona,Utah, Montana, Wyoming, Idaho, Kentucky, Tenn, Georgia,Florida, Texas and Hawaii. Also Penn. Love traveling in our great country.
Got to go back to work. Great talking to you and welcome to the A.M.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Of course, the Raiders should have played him a FS from the start of his career. That was his natural position and they could have let him grow from there.
Played out of position his 1st two years…switched back to FS and benched in favor of Hiram Eugene after 6 games.
Team drafts Mike Mitchell in the 2nd round
Hiram Eugene, the starter from last yr and a Cable favorite, is still in the mix.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Sorry Bo…once in a while work gets in the way of this blog, lol.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Hiram Eugene and Mike Mitchell are pining for that FS job. Cable loves Eugene’s work ethic and leadership.
Good luck Michael Huff
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Good luck MM too if he’s competing with Hiram “scholarship” Eugene! LOL
here are the camp competitions imo
FS: Eugene/Huff/D. Brown
SS: Mitchell/Branch/Boyd
July 15th, 2009 at 9:56 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Gone are the days of being voided at the line of scrimmage by unshakeable guards and fullbacks. Huff said he was “frustrated about stuff”
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Exactly. thats putting your players in a position to fail!
do you guys see Brian Dawkins or Ed Reed being met at the line of scrimmage by guards and fullbacks?
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The Michael Huff Experiment was a Textbook example of how to ruin a top draft pick.
That’s why those top picks deserve their money. They don’t get to choose the coaches they get or the scheme they play in. Huff could be a good player…he needs a scheme that’s friendly to the rover FS type of player and he needs to know what position he is competing for.
Oh, and what are fullbacks and guards doing mauling our Strong Safety?
July 15th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Who knows how Marshall is going to use his safeties!
All I know is they better be able to cover if we are using the same defensive principles we’ve seen here. From what I’ve seen, Huff is the best cover S we have, and no one is even disputing that.
I, like the rest of you, hope that the says of the 8 man fronts, with Huff as our 8th guy, are over. For that matter, I don’t think we need any S’ down low!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Raider O Says:
I’ll be back later, it’s time to work.
Thank you AM crew, this was fun.
TW,
I think we found a home bro!! lol
Later Gents.
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O, I’ve crashed their breakfast a couple of times & the vibe is alot better than the afternoon(MR,Narc0, Dude) crowd. Just remember to tip!
See ya later O.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Dakota,
This is my take…I like Odem But dnt think we need him:
OAKlifer Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 6:19 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 6:11 am
Dakota,
Odom negotiating with 2 other teams. Laker’s have broken off negotiations and Buss is pissed after giving Odom the money he wanted and his agent turning it down. Looks like they are waiting to be able to deal with Portland.
http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-lakers-lamar-odom15-2009jul15,0,5773043.story
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LOL you mean Dallas and Miami right i know its early…………Portland has a offer out on Milsap Utha has a few more days to match we are either going to sign him or force them in to a three team trade that would land us Kirk Hienrich!!! They cant have Bozzer and Milsap both one has to go!!!1 Odem is a punk and needs to sign that deal unless he thinks Cuban (another punk) will over pay him for his services as a 30 yr old swingman!!!
Ive seen reports of Miami and Dallas and Heard one thing about Ptown but mark my words when Utha matches the offer sheet they need to trade boozer right away and set us upo for the 3 team deal…The only guy we lost was Frye and like you said hel! Tim Thomas could give us 15 mins agame!!!
Portland JUST SAY no let the laker fans and Dakota be let them get thier next years ring with Odem then we can Start our journey to the top!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 9:57 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Hiram Eugene and Mike Mitchell are pining for that FS job. Cable loves Eugene’s work ethic and leadership.
Good luck Michael Huff
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Good luck MM too if he’s competing with Hiram “scholarship” Eugene! LOL
here are the camp competitions imo
FS: Eugene/Huff/D. Brown
SS: Mitchell/Branch/Boyd
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Regardless of FS or SS…Huff has been given a mountain.
FS: Beat out Eugene
SS: Try again at a position you don’t like
Too bad for Huff.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:58 am
Hold on guys. By now we all know that the SCHEME was the problem with safeties for the last four or so years.
The key to whether Huff (or any FS) will become a great Raider is if Marshall stops using the Cover 0, one safety deep scheme. Lets hope he does.
July 15th, 2009 at 9:59 am
FREE DIRTYYYYYYY whats up brother???
July 15th, 2009 at 10:01 am
Perhaps Michael Huff should listen to this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh6OkWNFGRE
July 15th, 2009 at 10:05 am
jhill Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 9:56 am
Who knows how Marshall is going to use his safeties!
I, like the rest of you, hope that the says of the 8 man fronts, with Huff as our 8th guy, are over. For that matter, I don’t think we need any S’ down low!
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LET THE CHURCH SAY AMEN!
July 15th, 2009 at 10:06 am
According to reports, Odom and his agent, Jeff Schwartz, were seeking a five-year deal worth $10 million per season. The Lakers reportedly offered a four-year deal worth $9 million a season. Sources told the L.A. Times that Odom wanted to sign the offer but “he has failed to convince his agent.”
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Lol, who is in charge, Odom or his agent? looks like Odom is as much of a pu$$y off the court as he sometimes is on the court.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:07 am
AMEN!!!!!!!!!11
July 15th, 2009 at 10:10 am
This Dirty ain’t free, … I am Married with childern!
July 15th, 2009 at 10:10 am
Lol, who is in charge, Odom or his agent? looks like Odom is as much of a pu$$y off the court as he sometimes is on the court.
yes no back bone at times and disappers in BIG games (not this year tho he showed up) but is 10 mill ayear worth it for an aging Vet to play 20 -30 mins a night??? who is not much better than above average???? He needs to ink that deal and STFU and play his a$$ off next year the west is catching up!!!! WTF is the diff between 9 and 10 mil after yuo have been in the leauge 10 yrs?!?!?!??!?! NOTHING but his agents CUT!!!!!! He has cash now he needs rings IMHO!!! SIGN THE DEAL IN LA or lose in Dallas or Miami!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 10:11 am
AMEN!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 10:11 am
This Dirty ain’t free, … I am Married with childern!
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Like Isaid then!!!! FREEEEEE DIIIIRTYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!LOL
July 15th, 2009 at 10:14 am
any one in North Oakland today intrested in my boy’s MTVjams vidieo shoot???????? MistahFAB??
I gotts the address you should stop by LOTS O FUN!!!!!!!!!!!! (and chicken wings)
Support local growin chicken!!!!!!!!1
July 15th, 2009 at 10:14 am
I think you should contact Odom directly Oaklifer and tell him your thoughts on the subject!
July 15th, 2009 at 10:16 am
I can’t tell you how nice it is to come in here and not have to see KoolKell posting the same crap over and over. His act is getting pretty tired. I have taken to just skipping over all of his posts, they are never his own thoughts. It seems he is unable to formulate his own opinion eloquently so he relies on copy and pasting the same old garbage over and over. He’s not a bad guy, in fact I think he means well. He just can’t give up the ghost.
Albert Einstein once said “The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results”.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:18 am
OAKlifer Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 10:14 am
any one in North Oakland today intrested in my boy’s MTVjams vidieo shoot???????? MistahFAB??
I gotts the address you should stop by LOTS O FUN!!!!!!!!!!!! (and chicken wings)
Support local growin chicken!!!!!!!!1″
Will E-40 be there?
July 15th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Dakota,
Martin Gortat = 3.8 pts + 4.5 rebs = $34 million/5
according to that formula, Milsap or Odom should get Kobe money.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:20 am
Congrats on the family, Lady Raccoon. Your husband must be proud.
Hey Krappy – did you get the word the Lady wants to be your new best friend? Yesterday she was looking for a shoulder to cry on and asked specifically for you.
Anyway, I know you’re probably getting hosed off in the backyard right now, but when you’re done let’s discuss!
July 15th, 2009 at 10:22 am
RaiderDogg,
hope you are enjoying this July ‘09.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:24 am
M Lonetree Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 10:22 am
RaiderDogg,
hope you are enjoying this July ‘09.”
Good to see you my friend, it has been a while. My July has been pretty good, aside from some somewhat painful oral surgery. How about yourself?
July 15th, 2009 at 10:26 am
OAKlifer Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 10:11 am
This Dirty ain’t free, … I am Married with childern!
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Like Isaid then!!!! FREEEEEE DIIIIRTYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!LOL
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LOL, yep!
July 15th, 2009 at 10:30 am
Cable on Murphy: “He’s probably the surprise of our (rookie) class. He has all the makings to be a very special football player at this level — mainly because he was impressive on a daily basis. We really think we found one.” Good. Waive DHB…
July 15th, 2009 at 10:35 am
M,
I know, that was crazy what Gortat got to play backup to Howard! I can see why Dallas and Houston offered him that money….he would have started for them…but Orlando matching must just have been a panic move…so
I can see why Lamar thinks he deserves more money, but guess what…he already made big money on his rookie contract, not to mention the $68 million the Lakers (and Heat for one year) paid him the past 6 seasons…he already made his big contract, and he was really overpaid to boot, so now he is 30 and the time to take the reasonable money and win more championships has come.
Lamar has to understand that whatever the Lakers pay him, they will be charged a dollar for dollar luxury tax, so really (if he wants a 5 year $50 million dollar deal which is being reported) he is asking the Lakers to commit $100 million dollars to him…as a bench player…who doesn’t always show up to play…get real Lamar!
oh yeah….goooo Raiders
July 15th, 2009 at 10:36 am
RaiderDogg,
was up in Tahoe for awhile to wander thru the granite and sky. Getting my gear ready for a longer trek elsewhere soon. Southwest? Rockies? I’ll see what calls to me.
(I’ve read some of the PM crew exchanges you’ve had. Feels like banging your head on bricks with some of them doesn’t it? Usually after dealing with the negativity of those boys it makes me feel like showering to get the grime off.)
July 15th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Will E-40 be there?
not today but Yukmouth Mistah FAB and a few other thizz dudes comin throu fabby shootin clips for mtvJams
July 15th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Dakota,
using the word “real” when discussing any athletic contract is wholly fantastical.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:42 am
that is true M
July 15th, 2009 at 10:48 am
We should do a sign and trade with NY for David Lee. Wouldn’t mind having Odom back, but what are we really talking about here, 20 minutes a game off the bench player? Bynum and Gasol will play 30 minutes a game next year, EASY. Artest and Kobe will play 35-40 minutes a game.
We’re talking about building our bench here. I’d try and find a way to get Linus Klieza and Chirs Wilcox via some creative sign and trade, and let Odom walk. Send next year’s 2nd rd pick and some cash to Klieza, and something similar to Wilcox’s former team.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:49 am
M Lonetree Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 10:36 am
RaiderDogg,
was up in Tahoe for awhile to wander thru the granite and sky. Getting my gear ready for a longer trek elsewhere soon. Southwest? Rockies? I’ll see what calls to me.
(I’ve read some of the PM crew exchanges you’ve had. Feels like banging your head on bricks with some of them doesn’t it? Usually after dealing with the negativity of those boys it makes me feel like showering to get the grime off.)”
yes, banging head against said wall can be frustrating yet fun somehow.
Have you been to the Trinity Alps? I imagine that you have, it is amazing up there. I once took an 11 mile trek up Sawtooth Ridge with my uncle and some other friends. Once we crested the tree line the view was simply spectacular. There is an old Ranger lodge up there that doubles as a hostel of sorts. Free to stay, as long as you leave it the way you found it.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:53 am
2 repost by KK,
The offense is led by the vastly underrated QB Jamarcus Russell, who managed a 13 to 8 TD to INT ratio last year despite having one of (if not the) worst WR cores in the league and playing in his first full season and going through a coaching change in the middle of it. How you get labeled a bust through all that is beyond me. Behind him he has an excellent RB core including Darren McFadden and Michael Bush, and TE Zach Miller and WR Johnny Lee Higgins emerged through the darkness last year as well. This raw young offense has had a year to play together and develop, and it should pay huge dividends, as they showed flashes of what they were capable of in late wins over Houston and Tampa Bay last season
KoolKell Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
“I can see the Raiders winning three of their six in-division games. Be it a sweep of either the Broncos/Chiefs and one win against the other, or grabbing an upset against San Diego, I don’t think the Raiders are substantially worse than the Chiefs/Broncos in 2009. So looking at the remaining ten games on the schedule, I have it broken down as follows;
Good chance to win: New York Jets, Cincinnati, @Cleveland
Good chance to lose: @Houston, Philadelphia, Washington
WILL lose: @New York Giants, @Pittsburgh, @Dallas, Baltimore”
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not to stir the pot but KK stays on point most of the time dsnt he??? I think the second post is well tought out and constructive…..why we hatin on each other?????
July 15th, 2009 at 10:54 am
Jhill, I’ve read that Jerry Buss is enamored with Nate Robinson of the Knicks…so maybe an Odom sign and trade involving some combination of Adam Morrison’s expiring contract, or Jordan Farmar and Odom for Nate Robinson and David Lee? That would be great….but probably a bit unlikely as the Knicks probably wouldn’t want Odom’s contract on the books in their unrealistic attempt to sign LBJ.
Dallas and Miami have nothing the Lakers would want in return for helping Lamar out with his contract…what the hell is Lamar thinking (or his agent I should say)?
July 15th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Just a few points.
The Oakland Raiders were the winningest team in pro football from 1963 to 2002.
The Raiders have had issues at the saftey position since the retirement of Rod Woodson. Rod played cover 0 and was able to make plays. The Huff excuses need to stop.
Lastly, stop hating on L.Odom he deserves to get paid. He played a major role on the L.A. Lakers All-star team this past year. The ALL-Star Lakers went out and bought yet another ALL-star. Besides if L.Odom stays or goes shouldn’t really matter when one team has that much more talent than most teams in the league.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:57 am
I think in another two years Tony Dungy will be the new GM of the Raiders. He will be looking for new challenges and he already has won a Superbowl as a coach why not come back as a GM. He loves a challenge and may be the man for the job. He is strong willed enough not to be an Al Davis puppet as well. He also able to motivate men to remember they are men and play ball. Will see.
July 15th, 2009 at 10:59 am
“not to stir the pot but KK stays on point most of the time dsnt he??? I think the second post is well tought out and constructive…..why we hatin on each other?????”
No hatin here, life is too short. You do realize that the post that you referred to is not KK’s own thoughts but someone else’s column that he copied and pasted. That’s why it is on point.
I have yet to see any original thought from him that was on point. He tends to post the same regurgitated nonsense over and over. Whether it’s true or not is beside the point. It’s just damn annoying to have to see the same thing posted over and over. I used to enjoy his perspective when he actually had one.
Don’t get me wrong, KK isn’t a bad guy, he just can’t bring it the way he used to. He used to be able to go toe to toe with anyone on here, now he just relies on other journalists to do his talking for him.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Don’t get me wrong, KK isn’t a bad guy, he just can’t bring it the way he used to. He used to be able to go toe to toe with anyone on here, now he just relies on other journalists to do his talking for him.
Ahhhhhhh… “I see said the blind man as he picked up the hammer and saw.”
July 15th, 2009 at 11:04 am
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
LMN — You can’t even take a shot at me without hitting yourself in the foot! Man, you guys continue to top yourselves, without knowing the facts before you post.
My statement about taking the last 6-years off the Raiders record was a direct response to your math-wiz buddy KK saying that the Raiders record would still be worse than 2/3’s of the league if those bad years were taken off — NOT MY IDEA..HIS IDEA.
You jump in without knowing what the debate was…but quick to take a shot…and you knock-out KK’s argument all by yourself. Brilliant!
La Milicia Negra Says:
HD37 says:
—”If you take away the last 6-years…the Raiders would have even better Playoff appearance numbers than the ones you already ignore. So, stop suggesting we change the dates again!”—
woaw, is that right?? if we take away the worst 6 years of this franchise in modern football, we will have a better average?…. you are the number wizard… LOL
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Why don’t you point out that I used KK’s own dates/numbers — and Playoff/Super Bowl records to show:
THE RAIDERS HAVE BEEN IN MORE PLAYOFF AND CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES THAN 2/3′S OF THE LEAGUE FOR THEIR ENTIRE HISTORY…WHETHER THE PAST 6-YEARS IS IN THE FORMULA OR NOT.
For the smartest man in Europe, you sure don’t do your homework.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:08 am
BAG,
At 30 years old, with the NBA revenue dropping, Lamar doesn’t deserve $50 million…he has never made an all star team for crying out loud. But given his laid back personality and his tendency to disappear in big games (see the 2008 finals) I can see why he wants to grab the money and then cruise through the final years of his career in places like Dallas or Miami, where the pressure is so much lower than LA.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:10 am
T minus one day until the NFL DRAFT!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Oaklifer
MistahFAB is your boy?
July 15th, 2009 at 11:14 am
RaiderDogg,
yes, the Trinities were outstanding when I visited them.
I have had the blessing in this life to enjoy the majority of montaine areas on this continent (never Dakota’s Black Hills though. can’t say why that is.)as well as abroad. many more I won’t ever get to see, but that is not a bother.
I prefer to allow my soul to listen and to find if any place is calling out for my visitation.
anyway, hope the oral surgery is at an end for you.
later on gentlemen, ladies
July 15th, 2009 at 11:15 am
There is no way Krappy went “toe to toe” with anyone in the last 20 years. That old fool hasn’t had a logical thought since 1962.
Just imagine being ol Krappy for a minute – you roll out of bed every morning with a fresh dump in your drawers, stumble into the bathtub where you promptly fall asleep again for several hours, wake up, mistakenly defrost your head in the microwave, slop down a bowl of oatmeal, then log on to the blog and cut and paste lame articles into the night.
This is no life for a senior citizen with weak bowels! We must unite and get Krappy the help he needs but is too senile to ask for! There are nursing homes near him who can give him the help – and fresh diapers – he truly deserves.
Only WE can help Krappy!
July 15th, 2009 at 11:16 am
M
What about the Blue Mountains?
Have an excellent day, thanks for the kind words as usual.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:18 am
If anyone here enjoys Family Guy be sure to check out Seth MacFarlane’s Cavalcade of Cartoon Comedy. Hilarious!
July 15th, 2009 at 11:20 am
RaiderDogg Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 11:11 am
Oaklifer
MistahFAB is your boy?
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I mess wit those dudes sometime I rep thier music really hard when I’m working on the road like I’m in Ptown today couldnt make it!!! We cool tho I bbq wit them cats!! Not like we best friends I aint tryion to lie but they dont ingore me thats for sure anybody tryin to do big things they will see you in the TOWN its a small place!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 11:22 am
Dogg,
Used to own a bar/deli in Clackamas that Mac Dre would always hit when he was chillin in West Linn or at the Dolphin on Mcloughlin BLVD!!!!!!!! those cats are real people just like you and me who figured out how to cash in on a powerwave!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 11:23 am
OK, Let’s analyze this one –
La Milicia Negra Says:
Raider O Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
KK,
Why only 20 yrs?! Why not since the merge?!
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well it should be obvious, but its because the game changed, and in modern football, we are in the low 1/3 of football teams… no matter how you all twist and turn the numbers, we are JUST average or mediocre if you will…
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It should be obvious??
First, let me say this: we ARE just average or mediocre sometimes, and waaaaay BAD for the past 6-years. But, that’s the only obvious thing.
But, for you LMN to say it’s “obvious” is the biggest crack-up I’ll have today (maybe). The only football you know is what you grew up watching (what little that was, apparently).
The reason KK doesn’t want the numbers since the merge is because it shows the truth — that few teams could ever match the Raiders’ (or Al’s) record for Playoffs and Super Bowls.
So, he doctors the dates to find just what he wants…and then STILL loses his own argument.
LMN — When you were just a tad, and the Raiders had just won their 2nd Super Bowl in 4-years, you jumped onto that winning bandwagon (if you even knew what football was then). Typical fairweather fan you are, though — the team goes down, so does your loyalty.
KK, LMN, MR, Dude/trolls/aliases…quite the winners’ bandwagon there!
July 15th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Where’s that chargeddown dude
when you need him 
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Philip-Rivers-gets-beat-by-a-high-schooler-does?urn=nfl,176581
July 15th, 2009 at 11:28 am
OAKlifer
RIP Mac Dre
E-40 (Earl) and B-Legit (Brandt) used to rent office space from my sister in law in WC. I talked to them a few times, trying to get me a job with SikWidIt, no lie. That was a long time ago, must have given Earl at least 4 copies of my resume.
They both were just mellow cats, looking to do things on the up and up.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:32 am
Dakota,
At 30 averaging almost a double/double in the regular season and in the playoffs, Lamar Odom at 6′10 is willing to come off the bench and willing and able to play the SF/PF and Center positions when needed.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:33 am
We’re talking about building our bench here. I’d try and find a way to get Linus Klieza and Chirs Wilcox via some creative sign and trade, and let Odom walk. Send next year’s 2nd rd pick and some cash to Klieza, and something similar to Wilcox’s former team.
LK
aint going anywhere 
July 15th, 2009 at 11:38 am
M Lonetree — You may want to check out a book called “The Tracker.”
It’s narrated by a guy (the tracker, duh) named Tom Brown, Jr., and is chock full of tracking insights along with his spiritual connections as he goes about his life outdoors.
Not necessarily the greatest literary read, but enjoyable enough, and thought it might be something you’d be interested in.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Dakota,
Martin Gortat = 3.8 pts + 4.5 rebs = $34 million/5
according to that formula, Milsap or Odom should get Kobe money.
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Marcin Gortat led the nba in rebounds per minutes played.
Hes 25 years old and is one of the better Centers in the league.
We(Magic Fan) can use him, and the 9 million dollar trade exception we got from Dallas in the Turkoglu trade, to land a huge star after Dec 15th.
Otis Smith is the best GM in the league. He pimped Mark Cuban to low ball Gortat.
July 15th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Phillip Rivers gets schooled by a high school kid on a skills challenge.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Philip-Rivers-gets-beat-by-a-high-schooler-does?urn=nfl,176581
July 15th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Top 10 Things Charged Down is doing right now:
1) Rehearsing a new Blink-182 song with his teenage cover band
2) Practicing his backhand at summer tennis camp
3) Crying in agony as his mom squeezes a zit on his forehead
4) Masterbating furiously to the Stan Humphries poster on his bedroom wall
5) Hiding from the 10th grade bullies who just finished peeing in his parent’s swimming pool
6) Eating a few slices of peppperoni off the Domino’s pizza he’s delivering
7) Recounting – for the 5th tiime – the 2 new pubes he’s grown since school let out
Wondering if Ladanian Tomlinson would date him if he were only 18
9) Recreating the Chargers latest humiliating playoff loss with his Barbie doll collection
10) Predicting a Padre World Series victory over on the Dodger blog
July 15th, 2009 at 11:53 am
will u people
shut up about lamar odom and da stinkin lakers ?
July 15th, 2009 at 11:56 am
oh god , now u bums wanna talk baseball . wuts more boring than baseball ?
i know . all of dakotas posts
July 15th, 2009 at 11:57 am
big chill Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Phillip Rivers gets schooled by a high school kid on a skills challenge.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Philip-Rivers-gets-beat-by-a-high-schooler-does?urn=nfl,176581
DUH
See post 442 
July 15th, 2009 at 11:57 am
GGGGGGGGGOOOOOOOOO
LLLLLLLLLAAAAAAAAAAAAKKKKKKKKKKKKEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 11:59 am
and da blue mountains . wtf ? u dudes are a bunch of wussies really
July 15th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
BAG Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Just a few points.
The Oakland Raiders were the winningest team in pro football from 1963 to 2002.
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That’s a damned lie.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
bochembechler jackoff u got one more laker to post im takin a personal trip to yur nice little basement . tellin yur granmda to leave , then beating the juice outta ya head . then ima make u watch die hard and point break . instead of yur usual lifetime movie and dr phil
July 15th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
kool kell u are a very depressing person . i ban u from this blog
July 15th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
i thought this was raider talk ? did i mistakenly enter the wussy laker fan slash metro-sexual travel log blog ?
July 15th, 2009 at 12:07 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 11:28 am
OAKlifer
RIP Mac Dre
E-40 (Earl) and B-Legit (Brandt) used to rent office space from my sister in law in WC.
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FASHO man cool stuff!! they comin up in (portland) next week Too $hort FAB, tha Jacka it should be a smash the Jacka just released Teargas!! If you like hip hop you gottsta cop this album full of SLAPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Jacka from MOB figgaz!!
July 15th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Doriangray Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
kool kell u are a very depressing person . i ban u from this blog
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When the Raiders win, I’m much more bubbly.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
The Oakland Raiders were the winningest team in pro football from 1963 to 2002.
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That’s a damned lie.
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untill like 63-95 winning team in ANY SPORT LOOK IT UP!!!!!!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
u ever noticed how only u west coast /posers / hi[p hop fans enjoy artists like the jacka ? i dig xhibit , but his albums are just full of sad beats mediocre production . west coast only has the game .
July 15th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Sooooo……do you guys think Vujacic will be with the Lakers in 2010?
July 15th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
untill like 63-95 winning team in ANY SPORT LOOK IT UP!!!!!!!!!
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That little Al Davis slogan was true at one point. But that’s been over a loooong time ago. And people still spout things like that as gospel, and never come face to face with reality. We need to see clearly.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
i just dont get u dudes . i bet u all watch soft core porn. what has the world come to ?
July 15th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
hey bo , what do u think my local high school volleyball team will do this year ?
July 15th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
Doriangray Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
kool kell u are a very depressing person . i ban u from this blog
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When the Raiders win, I’m much more bubbly.
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Frothing into a drool cup doesn’t count.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:20 pm
doriangray Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
u ever noticed how only u west coast /posers / hi[p hop fans enjoy artists like the jacka ? i dig xhibit , but his albums are just full of sad beats mediocre production . west coast only has the game .
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LOl at this sad commennt bro first of all THE WEST is doin check your library!! and tell me this Who put GAME on b4 dre huh???? you tell me that ?? it was my boy so deal with it!! go head google the awnser and get back to me!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
or better yet , theres this church basketball league in mustybone,miss. and i think the new salem crowns have a chance this season . but the untited methodist marchers have this 17 yr old kid with a sweet jumpshot . their gonna be tough . i need yur analysis .
July 15th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Yukmouth, Keak, RIP Mac Dre, 40, Shortdogg, Nikatina, Jdiggs, man the list be bumpin!!! Check MistahFAB his new Mixtape gots hella eastcoast/midwest on it!!! Dont get me wrong I like Jz NAs is one of the best mc’s ever but get real with this bro!!!! West had Pac, Still has Dre, man its no compitetion just like being a 6th round pick you just dnt have the talent to make the roster!!!
(support local haters)
July 15th, 2009 at 12:28 pm
I wish I had watched Stu Schwiegart play in college!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
lol hey doriangay,
The awnser is not 50 cent bro nice try keep googlin!!!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Not sure if its been mentioned yet but Morrison is going to be on a live chat at NFL . com..
“Ask Kirk Morrison
Oakland Raiders linebacker Kirk Morrison will be chatting live Wednesday at 4 p.m. ET. What’s in store for the 2009 Raiders? Get your questions in now, then come back to follow along.”
July 15th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
yukmouth !! ha ha ha . he sukks . e-40 i s massively overrated like mike vick. he just is unique and slick . 2 shot could never EVER rap , now the east has da greats twista and prodigy, but the real truth is in the south . rick ross , ludacris , t.i. , .. and da jacka? wow . lame lyrics like –out da h2 drivin like im in a hurry / off da hypnotic ice ice like blurry /
July 15th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Ahhh…another troll hypocrite:
doriangray Says:
i thought this was raider talk ? did i mistakenly enter the wussy laker fan slash metro-sexual travel log blog ?
doriangray Says:
u ever noticed how only u west coast /posers / hi[p hop fans enjoy artists like the jacka ? i dig xhibit , but his albums are just full of sad beats mediocre production . west coast only has the game .
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??
If you came to talk Raiders. talk Raiders.
What’s that? Only came by to stir the pot? Naaah, that doesn’t happen in here.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
yukmouth !! ha ha ha . he sukks . e-40 i s massively overrated like mike vick. he just is unique and slick . 2 shot could never EVER rap , now the east has da greats twista and prodigy, but the real truth is in the south . rick ross , ludacris , t.i. , .. and da jacka? wow . lame lyrics like –out da h2 drivin like im in a hurry / off da hypnotic ice ice like blurry / back seat drivers chicks are worried /hit da seats arm rest play wit sum blueberry /
July 15th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Thanks SacRaider,
We could use some news here.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
rick ross , ludacris , t.i
3 pro’s man I aint even trippin on those guys Luda is achamp T.I. fer real too!!! RR stole someone’s name but what ever!!!! he spits Game!! Notice how “real ” hip hop fans hav mad respect for other artist while Shillz punks and groupies only have thier narrow little opinions???? Jus Curious????/ you find that A yet brother???
July 15th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Just a few points.
The Oakland Raiders were the winningest team in pro football from 1963 to 2002.
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KoolKell Says:
That’s a damned lie.
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It was true KK. I no you don’t want it to be, but it was true. Starting 1963 the year Big AL took over until 2002.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
hayesdaze i goy pulled in by these Affliction shirt wearing , ed hardy cap sportin , ford prius drivin tools like oaklifer . yeah im here 2 talk raiders
July 15th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
SacRaider Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Not sure if its been mentioned yet but Morrison is going to be on a live chat at NFL . com..
“Ask Kirk Morrison
Oakland Raiders linebacker Kirk Morrison will be chatting live Wednesday at 4 p.m. ET. What’s in store for the 2009 Raiders? Get your questions in now, then come back to follow along.”
POST OF THE AFTERNOON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
man this place falls off when the AM crew checks out???
Hey dorygay, where you from????
July 15th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
It was true KK. I no you don’t want it to be, but it was true. Starting 1963 the year Big AL took over until 2002.
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That’s a damned lie. Talk what you know, and let the rest go.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com
July 15th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
doriangray Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
hayesdaze i goy pulled in by these Affliction shirt wearing , ed hardy cap sportin , ford prius drivin tools like oaklifer . yeah im here 2 talk raiders
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LOL to that never owned a whip like that in my life!!! And you wish yuo could afford a Ed Hardy anything you even know who designs that??? google it get back to me with the rest of the unanwsered questionSS!!!
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Haze, Brother I’m here for the Raiders ALWAYS but do enjoy hittin ferw off topics with the likes of Raider O, Dogg, and the ever so often Portland/Laker talk with Dakota……..But if we have any other Raider related topic lets hit it…..How bout who is the last five to be cut we hashed it up earlier but who’s on you list?
July 15th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
NFL . com also has a good article with Nnamdi..
Man, this guy is such a class act..
‘One way was Asomugha playing in his first Pro Bowl last season, after which he received a three-year contract worth up to $50 million, with $28.5 million guaranteed. Another way is what Asomugha often hears from opposing coaches, players and national media — how amazing it is that he has been able to establish himself as one of the best cornerbacks in the game on one of the worst teams in the league.
“I don’t appreciate it when I hear that,” Asomugha said. “Are you supposed to be excited when someone says that? It’s like someone saying, ‘You’re such a gifted person, and I love everything about you, but, boy, your family is the worst family that I’ve ever seen in my life.’ That’s a backhanded slap in the face.
“You’re talking about being the best or one of the best at your position, yet you feel like you haven’t done enough to get some wins. You can come out of games and (hear) people praising you, but you still lost. And then that thought always goes through your head: ‘What else could I have done? What more could I have done?’ It’s a very interesting dynamic.”‘
July 15th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
Hypothetical time (hey, it’s July):
So…
At what point in this, Robert Gallery’s first Pro Bowl year as a Guard, will he get a new contract?
A month in? Halfway through? Never?
Will he ever see the Pro Bowl as a player?
July 15th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
da true problem wit the defense was kirk morrison is better suited to play a 3-4 scheme. the safeties were shaky . and the team never blitzed . well greg ellis is at best when he rushes . he must get half of def. snaps . we got a rook safety that will hit somebody , thats a plus . and marshall lies to blitz nickel corners and overload the edges so at least we know whole new look on defense , will it work ? i say yes only if the dang team decides to tackle
July 15th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
‘You’re such a gifted person, and I love everything about you, but, boy, your family is the worst family that I’ve ever seen in my life.’ That’s a backhanded slap in the face.
but you still lost. And then that thought always goes through your head: ‘What else could I have done? What more could I have done?’
“I don’t appreciate it when I hear that,”
Qoutes of the day:
~Nnamdi Asomugha- The best in the Bizz
July 15th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
Lifer — I was only pointing out that doriangray was hammering people for talking about other-than-Raiders stuff, and then he started talking about other-than-Raiders stuff.
Besides that, I don’t have much issue with the topic itself right now (and JMac appreciates the traffic!).
July 15th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
what was ryan thinkin ? even kids who play video game football know man defense wont work with no pressure. did he think jay richardson was michael strahan 2 ? … i live in memphis , t.n.
July 15th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
‘It’s one thing for young players to make mistakes, and there have been plenty by the less-experienced members of the squad. But Asomugha has seen far too many blunders by players with enough experience to avoid them.
“We have to grow up,” Asomugha said. “And when I say ‘we,’ I’m talking about the entire team. We have veterans in certain places, but a lot of times, we play like we’ve never been there before. There are times when we go out there and we have mental lapses that should never happen for veterans. And it’s all a matter of growing up.”‘
“There’s a lot on JaMarcus’ shoulders this year,” Asomugha said. “No one knows what he does in his own time. You can only hope and pray that he’s taking it as seriously as everyone else is taking it. In practice, you see him taking it seriously. When we’re going into meetings, you see him taking it seriously.”
We pray too Nnamdi.. We pray too..
July 15th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
why dont yall ever talk bout the l.a. sparks ?
July 15th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
The other ironic and funny thing…
For the vanity-stricken doriangray to be making fun of anybody for their looks and/or attire is the ultimate hypocrisy, literary fans!
dorian — The myth of the Raiders’ Defense is that they didn’t blitz. Oh, they blitzed…many times at the wrong times, and out of the wrong alignments for the Offensive personnel on the field.
Rob-O’s larger problem wan’t the lack of blitzing, it was his lack of disguising what his team was doing — blitz or no. We’re just not that loaded with individual talent to win one-on-one battles when poor schemes and matchups are put into play.
I wouldn’t be surprised if Marshall’s blitz packages aren’t more numerous than RR’s — but, I’m willing to bet they’re a lot more effective.
A creative, pressure Defense is what this team needs — not a reactionary, punch-drunk one all the time.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:13 pm
This is the kind of shyt I can’t understand:
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
What does it hurt to lose the most games over 6-years?
Ummm…NOTHING, but merchandise and ticket sales.
Oh, and a lot of pride.
But, that’s all.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
From John Czarnecki @ Fox Sports:
“The worst news to come out of Oakland this month was confident Jeff Garcia talking about being the Raiders’ starter this season. This was the last thing that Al Davis wanted to hear from Garcia, considering Al’s reputation is at stake with JaMarcus Russell. What’s worse is that Garcia may be right and, if that happens, Russell could go into the tank. For his entire career, Russell’s work habits and lack of production have been questioned. Lane Kiffin wanted McCown, remember?
Garcia, 39, will out-work and out-study Russell; he’s a consummate pro. But on the flip side, Garcia can’t stay healthy for a full season and he was ducking the pressure, both real and imagined, last year with the Bucs. Plus, his style of playing — running around in the pocket — is just the opposite of Russell’s. Prediction: Russell starts the season, but Garcia never shuts up!”
July 15th, 2009 at 1:16 pm
doriangray Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
da true problem wit the defense was kirk morrison is better suited to play a 3-4 scheme. the safeties were shaky . and the team never blitzed . well greg ellis is at best when he rushes . he must get half of def. snaps . we got a rook safety that will hit somebody , thats a plus . and marshall lies to blitz nickel corners and overload the edges so at least we know whole new look on defense , will it work ? i say yes only if the dang team decides to tackle
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I am cautiously optimistic about Marshall letting guys like Thomas Howard and Kirk Morrison be more active around the Line of Scrimmage.
Hopefully its Mitchell laying out receivers over the middle or running backs in the flats AND NOT RUNNING BACKS COMING AT THEM 5 YARDS DOWN THE FIELD.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
A Raider Fan who doesn’t mind losing?????????????
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HayesDaze37 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
What does it hurt to lose the most games over 6-years?
Ummm…NOTHING, but merchandise and ticket sales.
Oh, and a lot of pride.
But, that’s all.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
HayesDaze39,
Jeff Garcia is becoming more of a distraction. Why does he feel the need to keep politicking in the media? I’ll tell you what…if Russell shows the improvement they want to see in training camp…I’d trade Garcia or just release him.
I’ll say it again. JaMarcus Russell and this offense is going to be one of the top 5 POSITIVE stories of the 2009 NFL season.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Will he ever see the Pro Bowl as a player?
Yes he will and the raise will come in the following offseason not a HUGE one he was making #1 $$$ already but he will get a mill or two a yr bum and a nice shiney signin bonus!!! I say Right Before the draft like we did this year wit…Aso/Lechler!!!
Sac,
Thanks for the inout man Im workin hard to hop over to R.com every min!!! Much love thank Bro!!!,
KK,
kinda agree wit ur last comment barring I didnt pout this in too late!!!,
Doringay,
Memphis!!!!! What!!! I loved Calapari and the runnin of the tigers the last few years!!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
That’s a damned lie. Talk what you know, and let the rest go.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com
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In the 28 year span (1963-1991) before Big AL was elected into the pro football HOF, the Raiders compiled a winning percentage of .670, the best record of any major pro sports team during that period. During the 20 year period from 1965 to 1985, the Raiders had only one losing season, in 1981. In the 1980’s the Raiders were the only AFC team to win a Super Bowl. Now KK, how bout them RRrraiderrsss!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Kiffin wanted Josh McCown….How did that work out?
Al Davis makes a lot of mistakes….but one area he made the RIGHT decision was to get a QB that can become a difference maker….and not just another “game manager”
Jeff Garcia and Josh McCown are game managers.
I still remember when McCown short-armed a wide open Curry or Porter in overtime against the Broncos in 2007.
BTW, a game manager is someone who can’t win games.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Winning Seasons mean nothing???????
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Dude…KK…ANY hater — MIAMI HAS THE SECOND-MOST WINNING SEASONS THE PAST 20-YEARS (14 OF THEM)…
…AND MIAMI HASN’T WON A THING.
Winning seasons means NOTHING…
July 15th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
KK, don’t start again!
You don’t even get your own numbers.
KoolKell Says:
This is the kind of shyt I can’t understand:
HayesDaze37 Says:
What does it hurt to lose the most games over 6-years?
Ummm…NOTHING, but merchandise and ticket sales.
Oh, and a lot of pride.
But, that’s all.
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What has it hurt, other than your pride, KK? (Oh, that’s right — Al was supposed to win everything, every year, and save the City Of Oakland from itself. No wonder you hate him!).
KK — YOUR OWN NUMBERS PROVE IT:
Miami has the 2nd-most Winning Seasons in the NFL over the past 20-years……………and MIAMI HAS WON NOTHING.
WINNING SEASONS MEAN NOTHING…PLAYOFF APPEARANCES AND PLAYOFF WINS ARE WHAT MATTER. DUH.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
Prediction: Russell starts the season, but Garcia never shuts up!”
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Let JR sit on him, that will shut him up. But he might like it.lol
July 15th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
What is Tom Cable like as a coach? Do you think he can lead the Raiders back to greatness? Kirk Morrison, Oakland Raiders
Oh yeah. I feel like he’s the guy we needed. He’s going to bring the Raiders back. Being an offensive line coach, he wants to pound the football and run and bring the physical attitude. And we’ll pick our spots to throw deep. It’s going to make or team that much stronger and that much tougher. And the defense will feed off that.
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And the defense will feed off of that.
Hmmmmm
So what’s that about an effective offense not inspiring a different level of play from the defense?
July 15th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Dude…KK…ANY hater — MIAMI HAS THE SECOND-MOST WINNING SEASONS THE PAST 20-YEARS (14 OF THEM)…
…AND MIAMI HASN’T WON A THING.
Winning seasons means NOTHING…
July 15th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Prediction: Russell starts the season, but Garcia never shuts up!”
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Prediction:
Russell Will Start and end his HALL OF FAME CAREER RIGHT HERE IN THE TOWN!!!!!!!!!!
Southwick will have Garcia’s A$$ and his wife and his JOB if he’s not carefull……
Garcia Dosnt wan tthe Nation and a few afore mentioned names mad at him the Bay is a SMALL place and he isnt liked over in SF!!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
JHill,
The defense is going to have to slog it out in a few 13-10 or 17-13 games this year.
They weren’t inspired when Russell hit Higgins on that 85yd slant against Buffalo.
The defense has to focus on its fundamentals. Feed off something…maybe Mitchell lighting up a running back in the flat or Marshall calling a damn blitz once in a while. Use that speed on defense to disrupt…not sit on the heels and wait for something to happen.
The fact that Howard and Morrison combined for 2 sacks…hopefully forces a re-write of the playbook
July 15th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
KK — Why do you keep reposting my post that proves you were wrong EVERY time?
Put on your helmet and go for a walk, man.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
…AND MIAMI HASN’T WON A THING.
but they have Mercury Morris!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ohwell we have Atkins I geuss!!!
LOL
(support George he’s the man)…sorry sir
July 15th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
***Atkinson
July 15th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Researching a new set of numbers…………..
July 15th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
KK — I’ve posted a few other topics of discussion the past half-hour…are you interested in Raiders talk, or is that just the dpmain of trolls?
You’re being out-posted, and out-pointed on the facts by trolls, KK.
Now, go chase that tail yourself while I enjoy me steak.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
I think I need to improve on being tougher at the point of attack. Last year, I got a lot of criticism about making tackles downfield instead of at the line of scrimmage. I want to improve on making tackles in the backfield and behind the line of scrimmage this year.
Also my coverage. I didn’t make as many plays as I felt I could have, because teams stayed away from me in that aspect … and they ran the football more. But everything goes hand in hand. One thing I can improve on is my pass coverage, and then making plays in the backfield.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Researching a new set of numbers…………..
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Ha Ha Ha!!!
“Researching” a new set of numbers.
You don’t even credit others when you post their articles…you can’t decipher stats from your own numbers…you can’t add properly…you cherry-pick the exact dates you want (and still lose your points)…you refuse to accept factual figures when they are shown to you…
…that all points to iron-clad, irrefutable evidence coming down the pike from you, KK! The guy who’s known for his even-handed analyses. (AnalysIs is more correct — you do only have one point to make, right?)
July 15th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Southwick will have Garcia’s A$$ and his wife
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Which is it Garcia’s ass or wife?
July 15th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
but here is my question is our defense (Raiders) going to be better at stopping the run this year? Kirk Morrison, Oakland Raiders
I think so, definitely. We’re getting back to basics. And when I say that, I’m talking about lining up correctly and knowing our assignments. With our new DC, everyone on defense has been there all offseason. That’s a huge, huge thing going into camp. We know that if we stop the run, the back seven will be OK. If we stop the run, I think it’s going to cure a lot of our pains.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
lining up correctly and knowing your assignments?
WTF was Robo doing? Nnamdi as much as said the same thing.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
Jhill,
“We know that if we stop the run, the back seven will be OK.”
I wish someone would get him to change the terminology. And that concerns me a little bit.
But at least he discussed the need to lay the lumber at the line of scrimmage.
Hopefully they can get Tommy Kelly, Gerard Warren or Terdell Sands to do one of these chats. I have a few questions for them
July 15th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
lol SnB
you know i shot kirk a questions. of course he didnt answer.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
jhill Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
lining up correctly and knowing your assignments?
WTF was Robo doing? Nnamdi as much as said the same thing.
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And why did Davis insist on protecting him through 4 head coaches.
I am still nervous JHill. I hear what the players are saying and many on this blog post about the fundamentals etc….but how on earth does a Def Coordinator stick for so long if he isn’t teaching proper technique and he’s not calling a good game?
July 15th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
lol, he actually took one …
J, Cali 04:45 PM ET
your boy nnamdi tagged huff as the breakout player, any thought on that? Kirk Morrison, Oakland Raiders
I think Michael Huff is ready for a breakout year. Like I said, when you’re drafted in the first round, there are high expecations. Everyone wants you to be a game-breaker. But a lot of times, you have to develop into that. Last year was his first season at free safety, and he had to transition into that.
His range in practice and his work ethic, it’s a whole different Huff. I think he’s destined for a big year. He’s ready. I think he’s excited to get the fresh start in this defense under our new coach.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
jhill Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
lol SnB
you know i shot kirk a questions. of course he didnt answer.
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I KNOW that you definitely shot a question or two to Kirk Morrison.
Hey, at least the defensive players understand (in words) that they have to get better defensively.
Not like when Rob Ryan was building them up as supermen when the facts were obviously different.
If Morrison can go more downhill and Howard can do more than be an extra safety….that will be improvement enough
July 15th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
S&B: remember when everybody called out Ryan for not blitzing enough? We blitzed KC until the cows came home and absolutely dismantled their offense!
The Raiders current personnel can pressure and blitz effectively. Ryan just chose not to for some reason. Said it made us vulnerable in other aspects of the game.
the next week he went back to the same old formula. no heavy pressure or blitz!
July 15th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
jhill Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
lol, he actually took one …
J, Cali 04:45 PM ET
your boy nnamdi tagged huff as the breakout player, any thought on that? Kirk Morrison, Oakland Raiders
I think Michael Huff is ready for a breakout year. Like I said, when you’re drafted in the first round, there are high expecations. Everyone wants you to be a game-breaker. But a lot of times, you have to develop into that. Last year was his first season at free safety, and he had to transition into that.
His range in practice and his work ethic, it’s a whole different Huff. I think he’s destined for a big year. He’s ready. I think he’s excited to get the fresh start in this defense under our new coach.
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How many times did you have to send that question in? LOL…
I hope they are right about Huff. I like him and still think that he can be that guy for them like Ed Reed etc….
The coaches have to use him correctly and stop moving him around.
Good to hear Huff is working hard on preparation. He has sooooo much more physical skill than Hiram Eugene
July 15th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
I think Michael Huff is ready for a breakout year. Like I said, when you’re drafted in the first round, there are high expecations. Everyone wants you to be a game-breaker. But a lot of times, you have to develop into that. Last year was his first season at free safety, and he had to transition into that.
His range in practice and his work ethic, it’s a whole different Huff. I think he’s destined for a big year. He’s ready. I think he’s excited to get the fresh start in this defense under our new coach.
-Kirk Morrison
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who’s ready to eat some crow? pretty much everybody, except me?
July 15th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
OAKlifer Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Southwick will have Garcia’s A$$ and his wife and his JOB if he’s not carefull……
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Thanks OAKlifer for elevating my (already capacious) seratonin levels.
Re: Garcia vs. Southwick, I guaranTEE that if Owens ever questions my boy Danny’s gender preferences, TO will find his chiclets in a mess on the floor. We don’t play that sh!t at Oxy…
July 15th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
S&B: remember when everybody called out Ryan for not blitzing enough? We blitzed KC until the cows came home and absolutely dismantled their offense!
The Raiders current personnel can pressure and blitz effectively. Ryan just chose not to for some reason. Said it made us vulnerable in other aspects of the game.
the next week he went back to the same old formula. no heavy pressure or blitz!
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I feel what you are saying. The results Ryan put on the field was unacceptable. I am sure you could find some of my posts from last season where I am screaming at Ryan. I am questioning how he stuck for 6 years…or was it 5 years.
I’ve said this before….a key for this season is that Davis needs to trust in his coaches (maybe he did delegate 100% to Ryan) but my gut is telling me otherwise.
July 15th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Good to hear Huff is working hard on preparation. He has sooooo much more physical skill than Hiram Eugene
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who doesn’t? Eugene went undrafted for a reason!
July 15th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
I am questioning how he stuck for 6 years…or was it 5 years.
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It was 5 NFL seasons, but it felt like 20!
July 15th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 1:57 pm
who’s ready to eat some crow? pretty much everybody, except me?
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Hopefully Kirk Morrison told Tom Cable the samething he just told JHill!
July 15th, 2009 at 2:02 pm
Cmon RRS,
you are not the only Huff supporter, lol!
it was actually my questin he answered.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
forgot to send him my danny southwick ?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
LOL BSL, goos stuff later nation Peace O, Double R Dogg Haze and the gents Later guys!!!!
Off to work at the Studio!!!!!!!!!from one job to th other!!!! A grind is a terrible thing to waste!!!!!!!!!1
July 15th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Playoff Appearances by Team in the 20 years since Free Agency in 1989.
Pittsburgh 13
Philadelphia 12
Minnesota 11
San Francisco 11
Tennessee 11
Green Bay 11
Indianapolis 11
Dallas 11
New England 10
New York Giants 10
Denver 10
Miami 10
Kansas City 9
Buffalo 9
San Diego 7
Tampa Bay 7
Oakland 6
Seattle 6
New York Jets 6
St Louis 6
Chicago 6
Atlanta 6
Detroit 6
Washington 6
New Orleans 5
Cleveland 3
Arizona 2
Cincinnati 1
July 15th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
**LOL BSJ…..later bro!!
July 15th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Researching a new set of numbers…………..”
Hopefully what you are researching was considered “newsworthy” at the time or it won’t be there right KK?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
LMFAO!
July 15th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
SnB
i sent him back 7 questions, healthy warren and kelly questions, DE questions, and LOS questions. he answered a lot of that stuff in response to other people.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Have a good one Lifer
July 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
One other thing. Lechler won’t have to worry about being cold-cocked by Terdell THIS season. Southwick has Shane’s back, fo sho. He is not just a passing phenom – he was brought in partly based on his reputation as a badass. He honed his whipass skills during a two year stint in the Mormon Special Forces.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Chicago Bears — Most Regular Season Wins — 686
(Haven’t won a Super Bowl since 1985)
Dallas Cowboys — Most Post-Season Wins — 32
(Haven’t won a Super Bowl since 1995)
Chicago Bears — Most Combined Wins — 702
(No Super Bowl wins since ‘85 & just one other NFC!)
Miami Dolphins — Highest Winning Percentage, Regular Season — .582
(No Super Bowl wins since 1973!)
Baltimore Ravens — Highest Winning Percentage, Post-Season — .636
(Super Bowl in 2000 = great record, but it’s short)
Miami — Highest Winning Percentage, Overall — .578
(No Super Bowl win since 1974, and no AFC since ‘84?!)
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C’mon KK — Tell us again how all those Winning Seasons add up to Playoff/Super Bowl success.
Miami — even with a HOF QB like Marino at the helm — couldn’t do ANYTHIMG in the Playoffs for the past 25-years (ummm, since the Raiders last won a Super Bowl).
And Miami won the 2nd most games in the last 20-years, KK, and won nothing — your own argument.
Smile dude
everybody’s laughing at you
July 15th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Miami = No SB wins since 1973, not ‘74.
(hey, my figures are pretty good, but me math’s not always perfect!)
July 15th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
“He honed his whipass skills during a two year stint in the Mormon Special Forces.”
Ever see the movie Orgazmo?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
Chicago Bears — Most Regular Season Wins — 686
(Haven’t won a Super Bowl since 1985)
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I would ask that person when was the last time the Raiders won a Super Bowl?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:13 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 11:23 am
LMN — When you were just a tad, and the Raiders had just won their 2nd Super Bowl in 4-years, you jumped onto that winning bandwagon (if you even knew what football was then). Typical fairweather fan you are, though — the team goes down, so does your loyalty.
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funny how you claim to know so much about me, and yet still be so damn wrong all the time…
you call me a fairweather fan, LOL, Im here aren’t I???
That per definition is a fan, if i was fairweather fan i would only be on a board like this when we were winning… I would only root for them in the early 90’s and ’00s…
and you biggest asset in you fan-dom is your age??
LOL so because you were born before Carter was prez you are the best, the biggest and most righteous fan of all?
so when 16 year old raider is in here, he is half as good a fan as me? or how is your logic?…
only guys with small penizes wants to debate fanhood..
Im here I’m a fan and I love my team, but by god, man i hate this inbred organization and all their shortcomings, they are a overhead and typewriter organization in a computer-age…
you are old, good for you, you worship Al because of it, because he gave you good games in the 70s..
well the game isnt like the 70’s anymore, neither you or Al has recognized this yet… a huge reason to our downfall…
July 15th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
“He honed his whipass skills during a two year stint in the Mormon Special Forces.”
Ever see the movie Orgazmo?
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No…dare I ask you to elaborate?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
One other thing. Lechler won’t have to worry about being cold-cocked by Terdell THIS season. Southwick has Shane’s back, fo sho. He is not just a passing phenom – he was brought in partly based on his reputation as a badass. He honed his whipass skills during a two year stint in the Mormon Special Forces.
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LOL! Very Nice
July 15th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
A GM with 6 playoff appearances in 20 yrs!!!!!!!!!!
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Playoff Appearances by Team in the 20 years since Free Agency in 1989.
Pittsburgh 13
Philadelphia 12
Minnesota 11
San Francisco 11
Tennessee 11
Green Bay 11
Indianapolis 11
Dallas 11
New England 10
New York Giants 10
Denver 10
Miami 10
Kansas City 9
Buffalo 9
San Diego 7
Tampa Bay 7
Oakland 6
Seattle 6
New York Jets 6
St Louis 6
Chicago 6
Atlanta 6
Detroit 6
Washington 6
New Orleans 5
Cleveland 3
Arizona 2
Cincinnati 1
July 15th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
“He honed his whipass skills during a two year stint in the Mormon Special Forces.”
Don’t sleep on the Mormon Special Forces…they could occupy Denmark if they felt like it…
July 15th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
It feeds
It grows
It clouds all that you will know
Deceit
Deceive
Decide just what you believe
I see faith in your eyes
Never your hear the discouraging lies
I hear faith in your cries
Broken is the promise, betrayal
The healing hand held back by the deepened nail
Follow the God that failed
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A song about Al Davis…
July 15th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
So LMN,
what part of the team don’t you like? and who do you give credit for the parts of the team you do like?
and what moves do u think we need to make on the field to get back on top?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
Since 1989, the Raiders have been in more Conference Championships (and a Super Bowl) than 2/3’s of the NFL.
Even with the “bad years” thrown in for argument.
Chase that tail, KK.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
I don’t know of any other GM with a 20 year tenure. So Al Davis’ GM record has to be the worst of All-Time
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Playoff Appearances by Team in the 20 years since Free Agency in 1989.
Pittsburgh 13
Philadelphia 12
Minnesota 11
San Francisco 11
Tennessee 11
Green Bay 11
Indianapolis 11
Dallas 11
New England 10
New York Giants 10
Denver 10
Miami 10
Kansas City 9
Buffalo 9
San Diego 7
Tampa Bay 7
Oakland 6
Seattle 6
New York Jets 6
St Louis 6
Chicago 6
Atlanta 6
Detroit 6
Washington 6
New Orleans 5
Cleveland 3
Arizona 2
Cincinnati 1
July 15th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
What does it hurt to lose the most games over 6-years?
Ummm…NOTHING, but merchandise and ticket sales.
Oh, and a lot of pride.
But, that’s all.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
BSJ
From the creators of South Park, it was a screenplay that they wrote while in film school and were able to make once they got South Park money.
Pretty funny if you enjoy that type of humor. It comes with a NC-17 rating for a reason.
The lead character played by Trey Parker is Joe Young, a mild mannered Mormon that can kick some serious ass. He gets recruited to do porn and becomes Superhero Orgazmo!
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0124819/
July 15th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Dakota Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
“He honed his whipass skills during a two year stint in the Mormon Special Forces.”
Don’t sleep on the Mormon Special Forces…they could occupy Denmark if they felt like it…
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And rename it Dannymark. LOL.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
let it go HD37 …
What’s the point of going back and forth over this 20 year period? it’s pointless.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
LMN “hates” Shaughnessy. He can’t explain why…he just “hates” him. His own words/
That’s a real fan there — hating a guy you know nothing about, and wishing he doesn’t make the team.
Big fan, there, LMN.
Oh, yeah…the 16-year-old fan knows more about football than you do, LMN…bringing him into the convo to prop yourself up is a bad idea. It’s not his age, it’s the salient points he sometimes makes — more often than you (twice his age ALMOST), and KK (4-times his age).
LMN — A mental giant who compares himself to a 16-year-old fan…and still looks silly.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Remind me not to PO HayesDaze anytime soon…
July 15th, 2009 at 2:28 pm
Ahhhhh Yeah, this is a REAL FAN
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HayesDaze37 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
What does it hurt to lose the most games over 6-years?
Ummm…NOTHING, but merchandise and ticket sales.
Oh, and a lot of pride.
But, that’s all.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:34 pm
HayesDaze,
I know Cleveland Browns’ fans and Detroit Lions’ measure success by winning 8 or more games in a season or by making the playoffs, or even by being blown out in a Super Bowl, but I didn’t think Oakland Raider fans has such low expectations. I thought this was the team that held itself out as having a Commitment to Excellence, Team of the Decades and all that other jazz…
I doubt Al Davis thinks making the playoffs is something to brag about, or getting your ass handed to you in the SB is something to put on a resume. I’ll bet Al measures success by counting SB trophies…and if that is how he measures success, well I guess that is how we all should measure it…
The day we decided making the playoffs or having a +.500 record is something to celebrate is the day we join the Browns, Lions, Cards, etc and start celebrating the 49ers, Cowboys, Packers and Steelers as the greatest franchises in the NFL …I don’t know about you, but I’m certainly not ready to do that.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
BSJ — I appreciate that.
I won’t STAB YOU IN THE BACK just because you had a bad run of luck (and bad decisions) for awhile…as long as your intentions were good all along.
I got your back, BSJ…just like everybody else who relies on facts more than conjecture.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Dude…KK…ANY hater — MIAMI HAS THE SECOND-MOST WINNING SEASONS THE PAST 20-YEARS (14 OF THEM)…
…AND MIAMI HASN’T WON A THING.
Winning seasons means NOTHING…
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It means a helluva lot to me on Sundays!
July 15th, 2009 at 2:42 pm
Dakota,
This is the NFL man, and the reality of the situation is 8-8 or better is a good season. Not the target, but in a 16 game season, you look for your team to be competitive with a chance to get to the playoffs. If you’re lucky enough to get a pro bowl QB, then you have a shot.
The expectations in the NFL are different that what I expect from the Lakers. That’s a bad comparison. Of course I hope that the Raiders are in the SB conversation every year. But that is not the reality of the NFL. Just like we were not in the conversation until we got a legitimate post threat (Shaq, Kareem, Gasol), you won’t be in the conversation without a QB.
you can not say that Al Davis has not attempted to get that position filled. We’ll see if it works out with JRuss.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:43 pm
Dakota — That was one of your best posts ever.
I couldn’t agree more, that Al doesn’t look at making the Playoffs a success. Al wants to win. Period. Losing in the Playoffs is still losing.
It’s why the “Most Winning Seasons” is such a hollow argument.
But, KK loves to use that stat to try and prove a point he cannot prove — that that stat equates to Super Bowl and/or Playoff success.
It’s the weakest “argument” in the forum.
So, he accuses me of ignoring the horrible recent past…something I willingly admit(ted) was horrible every step of the way.
Nothing to argue, and no company at home (who wants to communicate with him, anyway)…so. take a shot at people who think (and hope) the team’s making progress.
Way to squeeze the life out of being a fan. KK — I can see why you spend so much time on the blog!
July 15th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
PLAYOFF APPEARANCES SINCE 1989
Geez how much plainer can I make it!
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Playoff Appearances by Team in the 20 years since Free Agency in 1989.
Pittsburgh 13
Philadelphia 12
Minnesota 11
San Francisco 11
Tennessee 11
Green Bay 11
Indianapolis 11
Dallas 11
New England 10
New York Giants 10
Denver 10
Miami 10
Kansas City 9
Buffalo 9
San Diego 7
Tampa Bay 7
Oakland 6
Seattle 6
New York Jets 6
St Louis 6
Chicago 6
Atlanta 6
Detroit 6
Washington 6
New Orleans 5
Cleveland 3
Arizona 2
Cincinnati 1
July 15th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
And I don’t think anyone is celebrating anything. But to turn it into an Al needs to die or be removed as an owner conversation is just as silly. If this team wins the division this year, and all of his young horses develop, then what?
Should he be rehired, or will the new owner get the credit?
Cmon!
July 15th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
same old tired stuff
July 15th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
I’m as big a fan as anyone, but I’m not going to let some prick tell me we I gotta accept losing to be a fan.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
HS37…
lol, well i couldnt be fan from this franchise birth, for very good reasons… you said it had to do with my age, so i just followed your logic, and asked if that meant i was twice the fan as 16yearold…
I never never measures fanhood, to me its binary… and apparently you feel like the big gorilla than needs to bump his chest to feel that he himself matters… says helluva lot about you…
you still by anymeans can call me fairweather, just because i dont have your views doesnt make me any less of a fan than you… you are just a yes-sayer nothing more…
July 15th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
KK
Whatever it takes to get you to stop posting the same thing over and over again. I know winning will solve that, but we need something until then.
Cut the rest of us some slack, we want to hear what YOU think, not some journalist or some stats that you keep re-posting. Once or MAYBE twice is enough for most and we all got your point over 2 years ago.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Jhill Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
And I don’t think anyone is celebrating anything. But to turn it into an Al needs to die or be removed as an owner conversation is just as silly
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Same ole disingenuous nonsense. He doing a terrible job as GM, General Manager, GM, GM, GM, GM, GM, General Manager, GM, GM, GM.
Speake engrish? GM, GM, GM, GM
July 15th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Dogg
You, or anybody else will shut me up.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 2:46 pm
PLAYOFF APPEARANCES SINCE 1989
Geez how much plainer can I make it!
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Playoff Appearances by Team in the 20 years since Free Agency in 1989.
Pittsburgh 13
Philadelphia 12
Minnesota 11
San Francisco 11
Tennessee 11
Green Bay 11
Indianapolis 11
Dallas 11
New England 10
New York Giants 10
Denver 10
Miami 10
Kansas City 9
Buffalo 9
San Diego 7
Tampa Bay 7
Oakland 6
Seattle 6
New York Jets 6
St Louis 6
Chicago 6
Atlanta 6
Detroit 6
Washington 6
New Orleans 5
Cleveland 3
Arizona 2
Cincinnati 1
……………………………………………….
what about superbowl appearances? I bet we’re higher on the list
July 15th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
Ravens linebacker Terrell Suggs signed a six-year, $63 million contract Wednesday, making him the highest-paid linebacker in NFL history
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until Morrison and/or Howard become free agents …
July 15th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
or at least even with a bunch
)
July 15th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
Can someone provide me a link to that Capt. Kirk blog chat thingy?
Jerry, MIGHT give us an excerpt or two. I would like to read the whole thing, being a s-l-o-w football news day and all……thanx.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
division titles?
July 15th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
I thought we were typing, not talking …
And really? I thought your whole rant of suing ex partners, and not working with the community, AS WELL as all your other negative stuff was aimed at him as an owner.
My bad.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
no long term deal for Julius Peppers or OJ Atogwe (Rams)
July 15th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
“Dogg
You, or anybody else will shut me up.”
Do you mean NOT me? lol
I am not asking you to shut up bigtimer, I am just asking you to come with some new, maybe even original, material.
July 15th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
time to clock out. see you fellas tomorrow!
July 15th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Listen you guys, we all want the same thing…we want another SB trophy. Al Davis wants it worse than all of us combined, I freely admit that. Al set the expectations very high for this franchise and its fans, he gets all of the credit for that….but he has to take his lumps when he goes on a 25 year slump.
I don’t care if the NFL is hard to win in….doesn’t matter…the number one priority of the Oakland Raiders is to win SB Championships and that has not happened for 25 years. Al Davis set the bar very high, but he has been unable to maintain it, so he needs to go.
Just like in a law firm, when one the founding partners reaches a level where he is no longer able to perform, he is retired so that he cannot cause damage to the firm’s good name that he helped create. This is the same thing, Al took us to the top, and the only way we are going to stay there, or get back there, is when Al Davis steps out of the picture. He’ll never do it, but that doesn’t mean fans can’t point out the obvious. It doesn’t make them less of a fan or traitors to the Raiders; it makes them hungry for a championship, which is the ultimate goal in professional sports…unless you are a Warriors fan…then the goal is to be like the Lakers, lol.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Al the GM …
So to be clear, your 20 year argument is against Al as a GM?
Or is it the last 6 years as a GM that he deserves to remove himself from that position.
Because you support him as an owner if I comprehend your Engrish ok.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Dogg
Why don’t you contribute anything to this blog? South park Screenplays?
If you don’t like my posts skip them. At least I’m talking football. Now F. Off.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Dakota, the voice of reason.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
KK
Always can count on your maturity. Way to take the high road. Now tell us more about how me and everyone will shut you up. LMAO.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Dakota,
Jerry Buss brought in Ron Artest, not Mitch Kupchak. Mithc even talked about how disappointed he was that he couldn’t bring back Ariza AT ARTEST’S PC.
Only difference between Buss and Davis is Buss has been able to parlay Centers, and Davis has not been as lucky with his QBs.
It’s that simple!
July 15th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
“Because you support him as an owner if I comprehend your Engrish ok.”
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The Raider Franchise is also at the bottom of the league in Revenue and Value, but I don’t worry about that, it’s not my money. All I care about is Sunday’s.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
lol
July 15th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Jerry Buss, hores good Management and good coaches. No Comparison whatsoever.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
KK,
Moving away from the 20 year thing, do you think THIS YEAR’s team is ready to compete? Are we moving in the right direction personell wise?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
Jerry Buss, hires good Management and good coaches. No Comparison whatsoever.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 3:12 pm
Jerry Buss, hores good Management and good coaches. No Comparison whatsoever.”
Please stay on topic, this is Raiders talk hypocrite.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
“hores” ?????
Como?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
KK
Good luck wallowing in the past, I see it has done you well up this point in your life (sarcasm). Try finding a sense of humor once in a while, there is more to life than dwelling on the BS all of the time.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Did you mean “whores”?
As in sends his daughter to “finish” the deal to become his coach?
Or as in all the hot young girls he constantly keeps around?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Jhil
I’m optimistic this year. We’ve been in the position to draft at the top of the League the last few years, so there’s talent.
That said, I’m optimistic every year.
Now I hold my breath, waiting for the stupid shyt. Coach firing, grumbling in the locker room, players throwing their hand in the air in response to the eccentricites of the organization, etc, etc.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Same old nonsense debate every year (every year after the Raiders suck, that is). The “hater” tag is bogus, just a way for non-critical thinking types to close ranks around their Raider myths. I’ve been a fan since 1970. I no longer have any confidence in Al Davis, and will continue to criticise him precisely because he’s not held accountable for the dreck he puts on the field every year. You might say I’m an Al “hater” but a Raider lover. Ever occur to anyone that our intense frustration with Davis has to do with our love of the team? Can’t seem to make that distinction or what? Anyways, it’s your problem not ours. You want to believe in miracles every year, well, at PT Barnum said, there’s a sucker born every minute.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Jhill, Dr. Buss is an unbelievable owner, he knows when to step back and let the GMs make the call and he knows when to step in and shake things up. Al Davis will never figure that out.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Most weddings go off without a hitch. But every once in a while, the blessed event gets a surprise twist. This past weekend, NBA star Richard Jefferson’s wedding left guests asking a big question: “Where the heck is the groom?”
According to the New York Post, Jefferson was scheduled to marry former New Jersey Nets dancer Kesha Ni’Cole Nichols. Alas, a few days before the big day, Jefferson called off the ceremony and broke up with his fiancée.
Unfortunately, nobody told a significant number of guests. Many showed up at the Mandarin Oriental in New York City expecting to see a bride, a groom, some vows, and a kiss. Instead they found that Jefferson had gone MIA. However, he did lend his friend his AMEX Black credit card and told him to treat the guests to a fun night without him.
According to various sources from the Buzz, the wedding cost around $2 million. Next time, may we suggest city hall?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Credit for the cut and paste goes to Yahoo Sports.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Jhil
I’m optimistic this year. We’ve been in the position to draft at the top of the League the last few years, so there’s talent.
That said, I’m optimistic every year.
Now I hold my breath, waiting for the stupid shyt. Coach firing, grumbling in the locker room, players throwing their hand in the air in response to the eccentricites of the organization, etc, etc.
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Fair enough KK …
I actually agree with that.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Dakota…
yup we all want the same, apparently not me your friend LMN, the fairweather fan…
July 15th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Dakota — Mostly correct…
But, you fall into the same trap as LMN (with his “everybody says” stuff) and KK (with his “Al doesn’t care about winning” stuff).
Dakota says:
Al took us to the top, and the only way we are going to stay there, or get back there, is when Al Davis steps out of the picture. He’ll never do it, but that doesn’t mean fans can’t point out the obvious.
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Why can’t the Raiders win this year? Because Al’s still there? That’s the only argument?
We don’t even know who we’re lining up this year, let alone who will be lining up across from us every week.
Until we see who is on each team, and break down matchups one-on-one, and go game-by-game to compare players/matchups, there really is no way of saying the team will NEVER get back to the top with Al here.
That’s as bad as saying the Raider will go 10-6 “just because” we should improve by 5-games based on improvements we haven’t even seen yet.
Saying the team will not win with Al still in charge is applying a “definite” to a very debatable situation.
The Raiders have as much chance as any other team in the NFL to turn it around this year. Saying they do not is just being stubborn for stubborn’s sake.
Having realistic hopes of improvement shouldn’t bring instant condemnation and (oh my!) name-calling from the guys with little else to aim at.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
BS Dakota, or else Jerry West would have never left.
Don’t get me started! I love Jerry Buss, but he and Al Davis are the same guy. When has he stepped out of the way of a GM. He JUST DID IT AGAIN! Having Ron Artest out for dinner instead of bringing back Mitch’s prize acquisition in Ariza?
Not buying it! And I don’t think it is a bad thing.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Jhil
I’m optimistic this year. We’ve been in the position to draft at the top of the League the last few years, so there’s talent.
That said, I’m optimistic every year.
Now I hold my breath, waiting for the stupid shyt. Coach firing, grumbling in the locker room, players throwing their hand in the air in response to the eccentricites of the organization, etc, etc.”
KK’s best post ever! Not because of the optimism, which I don’t buy, but the fact that it is his own thoughts.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
LMN,
I laughed when someone called you a fair-weather fan….are there really any fair-weather fans around here after the past 6 seasons? I doubt that.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
KK
For the record I have never questioned your “fandom” nor have I ever called you a “hater”. In fact I rarely dispute the facts that you present the first time, it’s after you ram it down everyone’s throat as if we didn’t read it the first 1,000 times that annoys me.
I know, you don’t give a phuck what I think, blah blah blah. I am just setting the record straight.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
If that is what you think Jhill, fine…then Dr. Jerry Buss for GM of the RAIDERS!!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
RaiderDogg
Don’t you have anything to contribute other than reposting my comments, or talking about South Park?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
I don’t see how you don’t see the likeness.
Why did Jerry West leave, Dakota?
Why is Ariza gone?
Why did we draft Bynum?
Why did we trade Shaq?
Answer: Buss, Buss, Buss, and Buss.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
DR Buss was one of the principals of the Hollywood Park Stadium that the NFL killed that sat next to his Forum.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
The one thing Buss’ GM did, aquire Ariza, was shot to pieces by Buss.
And has Al ever sent his daughter to secure a coach?
LOL!
July 15th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Just think if that would’ve went down!
Davis and Buss?
In LA?
Billions!
The NFL was so dumb!
July 15th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Dogg
Why don’t you contribute anything to this blog? South park Screenplays?
If you don’t like my posts skip them. At least I’m talking football. Now F. Off.
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Toooooooooooooo Funny!
Great comeback, KK.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
DAMN IT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 15th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Hayesdaze,
Sure we might go 8-8 next year…..great, I will be very happy to see improvement….yipppeeeee…..but we are not winning the SB this year, or the next or the year after that…and yes it is because Al Davis is calling the shots. A team cannot expect to win when the owner is so disruptive. We are not going to win a SB hiring the Tom Cables of the world and drafting the guys with the fastest 40-yard dash time. It just is not going to happen. You can hope and believe otherwise, and that is your right, but I’ll bank on the last 25 years as evidence enough that Al’s method no longer produces SB winners.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Jerry West left because he could no longer take the stress and in fact watched the games from the shadows.
Ariza is gone because he did’t deserve the money asked.
Bynum was drafted because of his potential.
Shaq was traded because he was not worth the $25mil a year and was jealous of Kobe.
And yes, Buss had to make the final decisions. Buss has made Upchup look good.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:38 pm
KK
Actually I do contribute quite a bit about the Raiders, you just choose to focus on 1 post where I mentioned a movie made by the creators of South Park, not South Park the show. Try to keep up.
I admit I do get off topic at times, please don’t report me to Jerry. I am sure he is tired of your repeated e-mails snitching on people that don’t agree with you.
Why are you such a dikhead?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Philip-Rivers-gets-beat-by-a-high-schooler-does?urn=nfl,176581
July 15th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
I got some positive stuff (kinda) to say!!!!
The season is getting closer and I’m still excited! I don’t care if we go 5-11 again, I’ll watch every Sunday, yell at the TV when were playing well and yell harder if we are s*cking azz.
Some players I can’t wait to see in action….
1. Chaz Schilens – interesting to see if he stays healthy early and makes a bigger impact this year.
2. Chris Johnson – Was good taking over for Hall, but really started playing like a PB corner twards the end of the year.
3. Mr. McFadden – Damn, if the trainers can keep him healthy he’s scary. 25 touches a game at least Tom…
4. Michael Huff – Hasn’t been what we thought we were getting at #7, and this is a make of break year IMO, so it will be fun to see if he makes some plays for us.
5. Mike Mitchell – Expecting him to have trouble in coverage early but the ball seeking missile can hit baby so lets get some turn-overs!
6. O-Line – If they can play like they were at the end of the season we’ll have a top 5 rushing Offense and Russell will have his first 3000 yard season.
7. Louis Murphy – Don’t know if he’ll make much of an impact this year, but be exciting to see him come off the bench and make some plays.
8. Darrius Heyward-Bey – Not expecting the world from this guy until year 3, but if he can stretch the field and catch and few long balls for TD’s he’ll have done his job by getting Miller his 1st 1000 yard season.
9. Front 7 – No draft help the last few years, so it’s obvious were building the offensive side first but…. Well, it will be interesting to see since we probably wont be dropping back in prevent any time we catch a lead as we did under Ryan.
10. Jamarcus Russel – Well, it all rests on this guy. Looked great the last few weeks. Bring it week 1 with the first snap baby. If we go 1-15, I want that 1 to be agaist SD in week 1.
Thanks for loving the Raiders!
July 15th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
NFL players lobby Capitol Hill
Jul. 15, 2009 – 12:47 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON (AP) — NFL players blitzed Capitol Hill Wednesday to lobby about a dozen members of Congress, including House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, for political support in a possible labor showdown with team owners.
About 20 current and former players were walking Capitol corridors in three teams, following a negotiating session a day earlier between players and owners on a new collective bargaining agreement. Their message: Congress should be asking hard questions of owners about their profits under an antitrust exemption that Congress itself granted.
Last year the owners voted to opt out of the current agreement in 2011, raising the possibility of a work stoppage in two years. Owners argue that the current agreement is too favorable for players, who get about 60 percent of revenues.
The players have countered with a union-commissioned study that showed the average value of the teams has grown from $288 million to $1.04 billion over 10 years, an increase of about 14 percent a year.
The players, who fear a lockout, will remind lawmakers about the “gifts” Congress bestows on the league, such as the antitrust exemption for broadcasting contracts, said the union’s new executive director, DeMaurice Smith.
It may be hard to conjure up much sympathy for football players making seven-figure salaries. But Smith noted that thousands of people are employed as stadium workers.
“I’m not sure in an economic downturn whether a business that generated $8 billion in revenue last year should be contemplating” throwing those people out of work during a lockout, he said, adding that lawmakers should think about the consequences to their home cities.
More: http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2009-07-15/nfl-players-lobby-capitol-hill
July 15th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Jerry West left because Buss wouldn’t pay him. Plus he vetoed the Mitch Ritchmond trade and West felt that he wasn’t giving him the financial flexibilty he had in the past. You don’t go to the Grizzlies for any other reason but the $. If Buss would’ve payed Gruden, oopps, I mean Jerry West, sorry, then West would still be here.
Ariza is gone b/c Buss wanted Artest. PERIOD. And I agree with the decision. Buss could’ve played poker with Ariza and got him to take the same 5 mil he took from Houston. Ariza was NEVER offered a contract from the Lakers, and they signed Artest before he could get something for the Lakers to match.
Bynum was drafted because Jim Buss wanted him, not Kupchak or PJ. That’s is well known. Daddy gave his son, the newly appointed head of Laker BBO a new toy.
Shaq was traded b/c he dissed Buss in Hawaii. Yelling at him in the stands, on top of not taking his craft seriously caused the MANDATE from Buss immediately after the finals to get that clown out of town. Wasn’t it at the final’s PC that Mitch said we would definately take offers for Shaq, abd we will surely resign Kobe? I mean, did they even have their exit interviews yet?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
KK
I hope that you saw my last post before it was removed.
Thanks Mod, why would you remove that post?
July 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Spare me of the self-righteous nonsense, ok. Bye bye now.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
“Al Davis is the Raiders”
LMAO
That’s funny.
If you can boo a guy busting his a$$ on the field because you don’t like him wearing silver and black, I have every right to boo the bozo GM that has done his job posting a winning record only 30% of the last 20 years.
“Remember the AFC Championship games?” LOL Yeah. I also remember the GM who got rid of those two coaches before they could finish the job.
“We can grow so we can go to the playoffs in the next two years.” Clueless! Your idol Al will never give a coach two years to turn this mess around. Cable leads them to 6-10 against a rough schedule this year and he is gone.
If Al was a QB he’d complete 30% of his passes. A RB he’d average 2.5 yards per carry. If you can boo MCown, Culpepper, Walter, Jordan, Fargas or Curry I sure as heck can boo Al. Deal with it.
July 15th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
KK
Wasn’t trying to be self righteous. Oh well, I tried.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
Capt. Kirk:
http://chat.nfl.com/front/archived_chat/347
He seems to think, that Marshall will be using the blitz a lot more often. (or until Al calls down to the field.)
July 15th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
The Raiders need to be trimmed down to 80 players by training camp, so who’s next, Ricky Schmitt?
July 15th, 2009 at 4:05 pm
The coaching situations the last 6 years have been the root of everything bad the last 6 years, and that certainly falls on Al Davis.
I have more confidence in Marshall and his staff than I did Rob Ryan, but I have NO idea what to expect from Cable. To be honest, this is the year I hope Al Davis stays true to form and pulls the plug on the guy if we go 6-10. The was we finished up last year, the additions we’ve made, plus guys getting healthy? This team has way more talent on it than a 6 win team does.
Get Cowher, Gruden, or heck Marty Schottenhiemer in here already, and stop trying to find the next Madden. For all the talk of him drafting fast 40 guys, it’s his unwillingness to acknowledge the importance of the head coach and what that brings to the team.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
“Now, we have the certainty that coach Cable is here and he’s going to stay. We can prepare on all of the football things now — like winning”.
Kirk Morrison
nfl.com
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too funny.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
“It’s going to take a certain push from people that are above us players,” Asomugha said. “They need to feel like their position is threatened. They need to feel like they need to go out and perform. And that comes from a coach. That doesn’t come from a player.”
And it brings up another troubling trend that Asomugha has seen during his time with the Raiders — an absence of continuity at head coach. Cable is Asomugha’s fifth head coach. The others were Bill Callahan, Norv Turner, Art Shell and Lane Kiffin.
“That’s not an easy thing to deal with,” Asomugha said. “As much as people from the outside might just look in and think, ‘You still have to go play football,’ it’s serious to go through that many changes from your leader. I think in any sort of business, there has to be consistency there for the ship to be sailing in the right direction. Otherwise, you’ll start getting different ideas from different guys upon each year and it can confuse players. And it’s happened. I’ve seen players get confused and not live up to their potential.”
July 15th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
#633
Nnandi, I’ve never it said better.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
Legalize it!!
July 15th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Happy 420!! Now relax!!
No more stats!! No more fights!! Just smoke and be happy!!
July 15th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
AP August 08, 2000 12:24 PM
– From Wilt to Showtime to Shaq, Jerry West was part of it all during his 40 years with the Los Angeles Lakers
On Monday, he decided the time was right to leave basketball behind.
West, who couldn’t even watch in June as the Lakers won their first championship in 12 years, retired, ending four decades with the franchise as one of the NBA’s greatest players and top executives.
“The average person wouldn’t understand the pressure and stress that I’ve felt in my life,” West said in an interview with Dunk.Net released shortly after he announced his retirement.
“I need to get off this merry-go-round for a while,” he said. “It’s a sad and happy time in my life. I don’t know anything else but the Lakers. This has certainly been more than a job for me as a player. It has certainly meant more to me than just an occupation.”
There have been reports that West wasn’t well physically, but when asked about his health, he replied, “I feel absolutely fantastic.”
However, he also said: “I know that my doctor is not disappointed that this is something that might be good for me, to just walk away from it for a while. I do have this addiction to this team, and addictions are hard to get over, as a lot of people are aware of.”
West waited 2 years to take the Grizzlie offer.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
jhill – Aso was right on. Ryan was a scholarship coach and his defense looked it. Al loves to hold HCs accountable but gives them no authority to do anything. If a HC uses Als Assistants, Al’s scheme (from 1970), Al’s track stars than shouldn’t AL be the one held accountable.
Al let Art hire Tom Walsh but wouldn’t let Kiffin fire Ryan? Aso is spot on that the problem is at the top.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
Wow, look O, they blew up the breakfast nook! lol
July 15th, 2009 at 4:39 pm
OAK,
Show San Diego some love bro!!
What about Mitchy Slick, little Mitchy, Big June, and Sabotawj?
San Diego baby !! home of Reggie Bush
later bro.
We grow the best purple and a killer Cush!!
July 15th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
TW,
LMAO
Maybe you shouldn’t have said ” blew up”.
I feel excited, happy, and I feel as if my faith is calling me home!!
Wallll allllll llalll
July 15th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
GM 101 – Answer me this:
Let’s say Sulak & Joseph are extreme long shots to make the roster. Should they be cut while these guys go to camp?
QB A Walter
QB Gradkowski
WR Will Franklin
Any of 3 TEs with no chance to make the team
CB Bowie
SLB S Williams
While Sulak & Joseph will not get a chance to try out at SLB a TE who has never played defense will!
I’d say Sulak & Joseph have a better chance to beat out Alston or Williams at SLB than Franklin does getting on the roster at all.
Jerry said Joseph didn’t have the track speed to make the team. Since he got no reps in pads – Al proves another cliche correct.
July 15th, 2009 at 4:50 pm
Holy Shenanigans Batman! It looks like the PM crew is having its strings pulled to the same marionette dance theme as ever! (per se, following a script allows no chance for insight. Holy Milque Toast blandishments!)
July 15th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
M,
Don’t worry good citizen, Batman is here!
Where is Robin?
July 15th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Nnamdi’s statement was right on the money, of course.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
Kirk Morrison, Oakland Raiders
I think I need to improve on being tougher at the point of attack. Last year, I got a lot of criticism about making tackles downfield instead of at the line of scrimmage. I want to improve on making tackles in the backfield and behind the line of scrimmage this year.
July 15th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
# Dakota Says:
July 15th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
LMN,
I laughed when someone called you a fair-weather fan….are there really any fair-weather fans around here after the past 6 seasons? I doubt that.
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Exactly, call me a pessimist i get, i see myself as a realist, but a fair weather fan, thats a stretch, man im walking tall around patsies, stealers (pun intended) and colts fans, and I still wear my SnB with Pride… if that is a far weather fan, then i dont know shyt…
well that said, fan-hood to my is binary, its not metric…
July 15th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
633. Nnamdi is a very intelligent man, but it doesn’t take a genuis to know the Raiders lack of continuity has hurt them.
Regardless of what coach thinks, Cable WILL be caoching the Raiders in 2010 even if he doesn’t go 8-8 or better. Frankly, I’m not sure who Davis could get to replace him.
Cable’s a “raider guy” thru and thru. He’s always been a fan and unlike alot of people on here, understands Davis’s backward philosophies and will likely be able to not only work within them, but understand them.
All the negative all the BS goes away once we start winning…
July 15th, 2009 at 5:18 pm
622. Very nice thank you!
July 15th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
647. LMN a fair weather? That is laughable…no way!
July 15th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
Alonso R. Osnaya, México 04:55 PM ET
Hi Kirk, i love your hardwork People around the league say that there’s enough talent in Oakland. In your opinion, what’s the missing ingredient for this team and what will be different this year for us I’m a Raider fan of course!!!
Kirk Morrison, Oakland Raiders
I just think it’s that we’re all together. There’s no outside distractions, no coaching changes. No contract holdouts. None of that stuff. We’re getting ready for camp, we’ll be there, and our focus is winning games. In past years, that’s what we had. Last year was Lane Kiffin. Before that, JaMarcus’ holdout. The year before that, Art Shell. The year before that, Randy Moss’ first year.
We had so many things. This year, people are trying to make up a QB controversey. But I don’t think it will matter. Whoever our QB is, we’re just focused on football this year.
July 15th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
646. Good awareness there Morrison. How many years did it take for you to figure that out?
July 15th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Louis Murphy switched agents. Drew Rosenhaus. Guess he and the agent are confident he’s going to breakthrough.
Just be sure to get to camp on time Louis. The money will be there if you come through.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/15/louis-murphy-switches-agents/
July 15th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
“We are happy to announce that we have signed Louis Murphy as a new client,” Rosenhaus wrote on his Twitter account. “Louis has a great opportunity to contribute to the Raiders receiving core this season. He has been very impressive in the offseason workouts and camps.”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/15/louis-murphy-switches-agents/
July 15th, 2009 at 6:27 pm
The wide receiver battle is going to be fun to watch. Russell will end up with good receivers by week 1.
Murphy seems like the hard work kind of guy too. D-HB is going to be pushed to the limit by this kid. Murphy will make D-HB better and JLH better.
Hopefully he picks up on the offense and can have an Eddie Royal/DeShaun Jackson type of 1st year.
Receivers better come ready to work!
If the Raiders could only get similiar competition at other positions on the team
July 15th, 2009 at 6:34 pm
I told you all that Murphy is the second coming of Tim Brown…Believe it!
July 15th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Murphy was down in Alabama with JaMarcus, as well.
July 15th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Mario and Louis want to improve, so they can make good money. That’s great news for JR.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
8/9 wins!
July 15th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
As for all you raider fans of blind faith who think it’s okay to support the decisions of this team without question regardless of the bad product put on the field, both in players and coaches, over the years, while I think you are entitled to your opinion, I’ll go with the fan who is more critical of Al Davis and his mental capacity as they seem to want something more than the rest of you…to, Just Win Baby!
Obviously, doing JUST that, seems to be JUST too much for Mr. Davis in his advanced years. I feel for the old man and would love it if we could win a superbowl for him before he kicks the bucket. But to do that he needs to let go of the controls, bring back Bruce Allen and relax as he drools on his towel with a 13-3 playoff team.
I hope that my unfavorable opinion of the way things are being run proves to be wrong. I will always be a fan of the Raiders win or lose, but when they suck I’ll say they suck. When Davis makes what I think is a stupid move, I’ll say so, and when I am proven wrong, I’ll say that too. I hope I have a lot to be wrong about this year. We’ll know a lot more by week four.
July 15th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
I was just having a good old Tyrone Tyrone Tyrone flashback:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/199912190rai.htm
July 15th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
How many times is Papa gonna say “McFadden fakes a run throws to Darrius Heywardbey….. TOUCHDOWN RRRAAIIIDDDEERRRSSS” any takers??? over under is 2.5…..
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