Sunday notes
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Sunday, July 19th, 2009 at 9:25 am in Oakland Raiders.
A few Sunday morning notes:
– From the Twitter account of Nate Haber, agent for Raiders rookie sixth-round draft pick Brandon Myers: “Long day ahead… TE Brandon Myers will sign his contract today in Oakland. He was a non-combine invite out of Iowa, drafted in round 6.”
Will the Raiders announce any signings, or just wait until they all show up at camp? Doesn’t matter much either way, their track record of getting players in on time (other than one notable exception) is pretty good . . .
I hesitate to call Myers’ the Raiders first signing, because they could have signed everyone but Darrius Heyward-Bey by now and simply chose not to say anything about it . . .
– ESPN’s Len Pasquarelli warns not to be surprised if the Raiders still deal defensive end Derrick Burgess to New England.
Be very surprised, however, if it’s a dump job (fourth-round pick or later), because Al Davis still regrets the Randy Moss deal. Moss’ name is probably somewhere prominent in the thousands of pages of legal notes compiled in the Lane Kiffin file.
– If the Raiders do trade Burgess, do they try and sign Stryker Sulak? Teams dump undrafted free agents all the time and bring them back. From a business sense, the Raiders would pay little or no signing bonus instead of the $80,000 or so they were facing.
Of course, if there’s another offer out there, Sulak is going to take it after being placed on the waiver wire without any notice from the Raiders.
– Was asked whether Ray Guy, Ken Stabler or Cliff Branch would make it to the Hall of Fame and if all three players would eventually make it to Canton for a Page 2 feature.
My response?
“The best chance of the three probably belongs to Ray Guy, and even then it would probably be with the veteran’s committee deciding to let in the sport’s all-time best punter. Stabler’s problem is that he had several mediocre years and a short time as a premier quarterback. Branch’s numbers have been devalued by the inflated numbers of today’s wide receivers because of strict rules regarding pass defense.”
Before I get buried for Raider hating, keep the question in mind. I wasn’t asked if I thought they should be in the Hall of Fame, I was asked if they would eventually make the Hall of Fame. Two very different things.
Whether old-guard football-types like it or not, a punter is part of a football team and the best one ever should be in the Hall of Fame. At some point, I think this will be realized _ hopefully while Guy is still alive _ and he’ll make his way to Canton.
Branch was a more productive player than Lynn Swann in every area except Super Bowl highlights (although Branch had some Super Bowl moments of his own). He should be in, as well, certainly before Tim Brown, for example.
Don’t see it happening, however, with the flood of receivers with bigger stats that don’t mean nearly as much.
I think of Stabler at his peak and my knee-jerk reaction is that he was a Hall of Fame quarterback, one of the best that ever played. But Stabler’s peak also coincided with the time I was a fan, not part of the media, and was skewed by the fact that I was sitting in the Coliseum in some of his greatest moments and had a rooting interest.
A lot of people revel in Stabler’s days as a hard-partying quarterback who led comebacks while hung over, and it does make for a great story. But it also made him old before his time, and the way he played in later years with the Oilers and Saints are part of his overall legacy.
As the biased guy who sat in the stands and watched Stabler play as a Raider, I think, yes, he’s a Hall of Famer. But as a detached sports writer, I can see the other side.
Besides, Davis is pushing harder for Jim Plunkett, anyway.
Which is another issue entirely.
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July 19th, 2009 at 9:37 am
Screw that, Stabler was better than Staubach as fars as I’m concerned. Screw how many SBs, Plunkett won 2 & they dismiss them. If Elway had finished career in NO & Hou/Tenn he wouldn’t get in. Losing 3 SBs says more about how sorry the AFC was in the 90s. Bills/Dallas/Bills/Dallas. One sorry decade!!!
July 19th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Ray Guy wont make the HOF because. The NFL hates the RAIDERS.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:55 am
All due respect 4 my man branch but brown deserves 2 be in the hof. Thanx 4 the fix jerry.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:24 am
WRs are boycotted because there are too many in (like Jerry said if Swann’s there so should Branch). Punter’s are boycotted by the players who vote because they aren’t considered “football” players. Stabler is boycotted because of sports reporters who have a bias against someone who could live that lifestyle & make it look easy. The Raiders in general are boycotted because of Al Davis.That’s just the way it is. I don’t defend Davis or give him more credit than what he deserves but I also don’t whine about him in every post!!!
July 19th, 2009 at 10:25 am
# destrilogy Says:
July 19th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Ray Guy wont make the HOF because. The NFL hates the RAIDERS.
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Let it go, man. The Raiders aren’t relevant enough to hate. Stop playing the “Raider Race Card”. It’s tired.
July 19th, 2009 at 11:03 am
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July 19th, 2009 at 12:02 pm
If any Raider deserves it, it is LESTER HAYES!!
July 19th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
One of the single dumbest statements I’ve EVER read and I’m not pointing fingers but this is very ignorant. That in 1989 is when FA started and MODERN football started.
If you don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground then ask somebody. Stop talking like you know if everytime you say something you prove that you don’t. It’s obvious that you are a neophite. Ask questions and learn first. Then you can teach.
My gawd!! these anti Al Davis rants get dumber by the day. If you don’t know the history of the team you root for and what that means in relation to the rest of the league and it’s history don’t try to tell people WHO DO what to think.
BTW Jerry I agree with your assesment on Cliff Branch belonging in the HOF certainly before Tim Brown as you put it. I tell tyoung fans all the time that Cliff Branch was a better player than Tim Brown but they look at Tim’s stats and they don’t agree because they didn’t see him play. But Cliff was hands down a better player. In fact for my money Warren Wells was better than both of them.
I even feel that as a pur WR that DHB just coming in the league is a more skilled WR than Tim was. Wether DHB’s career will measure up to Tim’s who knows but certainly when Tim came in he was very raw. His game was on Teams and he was simply amazing one thing Tim had was great hands, very natural hands. Cliff dropped a lot of passes his first two years..
July 19th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
What I remember about Kenny Stabler was his poise under pressure. He would stand tall in the pocket, chaos all around him, and he would be looking down field the entire time. Plus he thrived in pressure packed situations. The entire game would almost seem boring to him until things started getting heated. He thrived on playing from behind.
I also loved the way he would come out of the locker room witha Raiderette in each arm.
July 19th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
How can anyone say I don’t belong in the HOF? Speed kills, baby….
July 19th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Raider TW, I know how you might feel about non-Raiders but Staubach was one hell of a QB for a long time it took Landry too lng to figure that out. Meredith was good but Staubach had true greatness.
Also Elway basically drug the Broncos to SB’s that’s how great he was. Those teams weren’t very good without him because they had no running game. Their defenses weren’t very good on the backend but they pressured you. But Elway was very special an easy pick.
Stabler to be honest played in a limosine. He had a great Oline great running game most of th time and great recievers. But he was magnificent in his orchestration of those teams. He was very accurate and a tremendous leader. But if you asked me who would I take out of Plunkett, Elway, Stabler or Staubach it would take me about 2 seconds to select Plunkett.
Best QB’s I’ve ever seen at their best.
a. Dan Marino
b. John Elway
c. I didn’t see Unitas at his best so Joe Namath
d. Joe Montana
e. I wish I had seem Warren Moon in a prostyle offense when young he was incredible.
f. Jim Plunkett his NFl career was marred by injuries or he would 1a. in my book
g. Tom Brady benefitted from questionable circumstances but great nonetheless.
h. Roger Staubach
i. Terry Bradshaw
j. Troy Aikman.
Kenny Stabler threw too many int’s and his greatness as was Namath was too short. But at his best he was one of the top 10- 12 I ever saw.
July 19th, 2009 at 1:12 pm
Priesttj,
Nice list….I would have to remove Aikman, however, for some of the reasons you site regarding Stabler (great oline, running game, receivers….). As much as I am not a niners fan, I would have to put Montana as my number one however….no one could take over a game like he could.
That all being said, Stabler deserves the HOF IMO. His run wasn’t a long one, but a great one.
July 19th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Stabler Passer Rating (Best Years)
1973 NFL 88.3 (4)
1974 NFL 94.9 (2– 94)
1976 NFL 103.4 (1– 23)
1977 NFL 75.2 (6)
1979 NFL 82.2 (4)
Career 75.3 (85)
Namath Passer Rating (Best Years)
Passer Rating
1965 AFL 68.7 (3)
1966 AFL 62.6 (5)
1967 AFL 73.8 (4)
1968 AFL 72.1 (4)
1969 AFL 74.3 (3)
Career 65.5 (171)
Stabler Career Raider Record (10 yrs) – 69 W, 26 L, 1 Tie
Namath Career Jets Record (12 yrs) – 60 W, 60 L, 4 Ties
Namath is in the HOF….why not Stabler?
July 19th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
CB, yes it was Stabler, Namath, Plunkett and a few others just had short runs but they were without question the best in the game for those durations.
To be honest if Gannon had won that SB he would’ve had almost as much claim as Stabler. Gannon was very good for 3years of the 5 he played here. Steve Young got in for a 6 year run. So should Stabler who had a 6year run that was brilliant.
As I read the post from LMN futher I ight have been too harsh on him. He at least added IMHO which says he realises he may not be right. So I have to recant my rant of indignation.
July 19th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Cliff
Nice breakdown, the numbers are undeniable.
July 19th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
I’ll add one more since Stabler gets bashed a bit for his INTs…..
Namath – Career Pass Interception Percentage – 5.8%
Stabler – Career Pass Interception Percentage – 5.9%
July 19th, 2009 at 1:28 pm
priesttj Says:
July 19th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
One of the single dumbest statements I’ve EVER read and I’m not pointing fingers but this is very ignorant. That in 1989 is when FA started and MODERN football started.
If you don’t know your ass from a hole in the ground then ask somebody. Stop talking like you know if everytime you say something you prove that you don’t. It’s obvious that you are a neophite. Ask questions and learn first. Then you can teach.
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This is why I have been staying away from this blog for awhile. It’s just the same dumb sh**, just a different day. Priest is exactly right. To say Al Davis’ demise began with free agency is absolutely absurd. The new free agency systems that have developed over the last 20 years have perpetuated the good teams at the expense of the bad teams so it is essentially a self full filling situation. Excellent players for the most part are going to go to playoff teams. Whether it is a free agent signing (Pittsburgh signing #1 round LB James Farrior off the Jets roster to be their defensive captain) or Moss forcing a trade to New England, it is a system where the rich get richer. While Cincinnati gets safety Roy Williams who is hanging on in the league by his hangnails. And if you actually remember correctly, when we were winning a few years back, WE signed Rich Gannon (a Future League MVP), Bill Romanowski, and Jerry Rice to OUR team. Oh, right, I forgot, Ron Wolf and Jon Gruden actually did those deals and Big Al tried to stop them from happening. So, if you are winning, it is an excellent system. If you are not, free agency makes it THAT much tougher to compete.
Now, as for mistabrown, he was telling us how our “scheme” was antiquated. Hopefully, he can elaborate on which scheme he is talking about: 43 Trap Option, 43 Under, 53 Twist, 55 Jack, that seems so antiquated. I am sure he can elaborate.
July 19th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Well said Oakglenn…I couldn’t agree more.
July 19th, 2009 at 1:34 pm
CB, that’s putting it in perspective. Who can argue that? WOW I had no idea Namath dropped off that bad. In those days QB’s especially didn’t take care of themselves the way they should’ve. And those two guy’s were known partiers. Like Bobby Lane and Sonny Jergenson and Billy Kilmer had huge beer guts. You never see that now. Even Jim Plunkett wasn’t the most svelt QB you ever saw. Probably why their career took sharp drop offs. Once they were done, they were DONE.
July 19th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
Priesttj, let me add the Broncos have zero SB wins if they didn’t cheat the salary cap to tune of $65 Mil. S Young would have zero SB wins if the 9ers hadn’t cheated the salary cap. The chance to sign as many good/great players without showing it to the league for 2 yrs was the difference.
Pitts doesn’t start their great “dynasty” rule if the Immaculate Deception went in the Raiders favor. NE doesn’t start their “dynasty” rule if the Snow Job went in the Raiders favor.
Personal opinion :Facing 1:46 on the clock in the 4th your Qb pick is:
Stabler
Staubach
Bradshaw
Brady
Elway
Tarkinton
IMO 1 second & on the goal line I’d choose Earl Campbell over
Jim Brown
Thurman Thomas
Marcus Allen
Franco
Newhouse
Emmitt
Dorset
Terrel Davis
But that’s just me.
July 19th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
Oaklenn what’s up Bro? I definitely feel your pain. Some of the things you read in here is so slanted it just leaves you numb. Why try to refute it when most choose to believe it.
Got better things to do.
More and more NFL people are coming on board with the current Raider team recognizing this team has some talent. But we still have these know nothings that insist that the man doing it can’t do it anymore. Which essentially belies their own comments. They will say that the Raiders will win 8 games or comment on improvement and then say the GM doing it needs to go. Just brilliant logic.
Oak I just come in when everyone is gone then I can make a comment and leave. Without arguing with loudmouth know nothings….
July 19th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
CB, you must be a lawyer. You love putting facts into arguments. Those were huge mitigating factors. Rozelle interferring in the Elway trade was criminal. The Bears were livid as well. The league knew about the Broncos and the 49ers and they still let them get away with it.
D’Bartolo was a crook and wouldn’t abide by many league rules yet he’s respected in the annals of the league. Go figure, did he have croney in the league office named Tagliabue?
July 19th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
CB, can’t argue with “Earl of Cambell” but Jim Brown I don’t know Bro. That’s a huge comment. Jim was in a class by himself and so was Bo Jackson. I would find it extremely hard to take anyone over those two. Including Gale sayers who I think may have been one of the top 3 all-time football players at any position.
July 19th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
priesttj, that wasn’t CB but me but that’s why I said it was my opinion about Earl over Jim Brown. If I said you had to run the ball with only 20 seconds left on the clock 4th & 20 it would be Jim or Bo. I just love Earl & never saw him fail to get a TD from the one. I’d love to have a Highlite DVD of Jim Brown. It would convince anyone that he was by far the best RB ever to play hands down!
July 19th, 2009 at 2:26 pm
Where is Tommy Trojan?? whereever you are show your face I have a bone to pick with you.
Your unflappable comments about DMC still stick in my mind how you were soooo adamant about him being the greatest HB in history. Saying he was better than Gale Sayers who IMO was almost supernatural. I like DMc a lot but I couldn’t get you to salm down to save my life now I never hear from you.
Where are you???? Tommy Trojan please come out and play? I’m not going to bury you I just want your honest assesment NOW! I tried to tell you, but you wouldn’t listen.
July 19th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
TW, Jim was a true freak of nature similar to Bo. Jim Brown with Wilt Chamberlain were the two best athletes in any sport I’ve ever seen. You can add Bo to that but that’s it. Those 3 were damn near superhuman.
July 19th, 2009 at 2:35 pm
Ahhh…good discussion in here today. Only a few silly pot-shots from the true haters.
JMac — Thicker skin, bud…only true haters of logic label you flat-out either a hater or a homer. For the rest of us, we know you walk the line required of your journalistic obligations…and we forgive you when you write things we don’t necessarily agree with. Mostly.
The stats on here today are pretty intriguing, aren’t they? There are lots of examples throughout the league — not just the Raiders — where deserving players with comparable (or better) stats are left out of the HOF.
If Namath’s numbers prove anything, it’s that the numbers don’t always tell the story — legacies MUST matter. But, in this more modern, instant-gratification world, only “What have you done for me lately?” matters.
The legacies of great players, from arguably the NFL’s greatest era, are being forgotten just as the retired players were left behind in retirement bennies. It’s a disgrace and a shame. The NFL HOF induction rules are antiquated and need to be modified. Getting rid of petty favoritisms, unfortunately, will never happen.
No…I do not claim the Raiders get jobbed at every turn. For example, I believe the Immaculate Reception was just an historic bad bounce against us, not a rip-off…as opposed to how I feel about the snow job in NE.
When the Veterans’ Committee looks at some of the great Raiders of yore, maybe they’ll see what they did, and what they did for the game, before they just say no.
No matter his numbers, Kenny Stabler was an iconic image of the game for a decade, for crying out loud. Lester Hayes was the most intimidationg CB in the NFL for half of his incredible career. Ray Guy, until Lechler came along 3-decades later, is the best his position has ever seen. And Cliff Branch’s numbers SHOULD speak for themselves, but if they oddly aren’t enough, his own career-long legacy as one of the most-feared (and capable) deep threats in the league should be enough to get him in the door.
All those great names remind me…
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it?
July 19th, 2009 at 2:37 pm
What about M Jordan?!
July 19th, 2009 at 2:40 pm
Priest, anti Al Davis comments get dumber by the day? That beats pro Al Davis comments, that have been dumb since the advent of blog comments sections. In terms of arguing Al’s ability to run a team in the modern day NFL, every single pro Al Davis comment is criminally stupid.
July 19th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Why isn’t there a DVD of Jim’s highlites? 2hrs + long! It would show the younguns something they’ve never seen, a RB better than Emmitt/LaDanlin/Petersen/Payton/everyone else. EVERY team that played them, practiced & schemed to do nothing but stop HIM. They still couldn’t do it. Nothing like that has happened since in the NFL.
July 19th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
In fact, it’s really hard to make a stupid anti Al Davis comment. Comments and opinions are usually at the mercy of their premise. And if your premise is that Al Davis has completely lost it, it’s hard to go wrong. You basically have to accuse him of something that’s way off the cuff, like call him a terrorist, or something. As long as the comment is about Al’s inability to run a team, it’s a home run. It’s just taking a few nails and hammering them in at about shoulder height. Easy as Sunday morning. Al Davis is the worst general manager in all of sports, by far. It’s the arguments against that point that are so stupid it’s hard to read them without laughing, kind of like all of priest and Hayzedaze’s comments.
July 19th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
# priesttj Says:
July 18th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Gruden was very well aware of Barrett’s issues and knew what would set him off. Alcohol
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So was Al “let the players do whatever they want, they’re men, for crying out loud” Davis.
July 19th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
Al Davis is the owner of the Oakland Raider, priest. Are you going to make the case that Gruden is more responsible than he is for what happened to Robbins? You’re the single dumbest Davis shill I’ve ever seen in cyberspace. Your wife divorced you because of your dedication to Al Davis. Don’t lie.
July 19th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
dont forget Bo came in at week 4 after the baseball season ended and ran through and away from everybody. right? no training camp nothin. he was a beast.
July 19th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
No…I do not claim the Raiders get jobbed at every turn. For example, I believe the Immaculate Reception was just an historic bad bounce against us, not a rip-off…as opposed to how I feel about the snow job in NE.
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Haze, I saw both these games live (on TV) both had a few things in common. NO CALL WAS MADE ON THE FIELD until a discussion had taken place. In Pitts. no one called a TD until the head ref got on the phone. Marv Hubbard claims he heard the ref ask how much security can they get to escort him off the field. It must not have been enough for him to call what he saw !!Now, I don’t know if this is true but when Franco goes to catch the ball everyone watching TV at the time saw the tip of the ball scrape off the turf before he hauls it in (incomplete pass). This is why EVERY shot you see of it NOW cuts the bottom of the screen off.
NE: have you ever seen a game where NO ONE MAKES A CALL??? Until after a conference? I knew we were screwed as soon as I saw that.
July 19th, 2009 at 2:54 pm
priest, you don’t exist. Someone from the tribune is posting under priest just to get us fired up. Posting the dumbest Davis’ kool aid points that nobody can stomach, knowing people will respond in droves because stupidity like his can not go unchecked. I can’t believe I fell for it. I’ll see you guys in a couple of weeks, when trainwreck ‘09 start getting underway.
July 19th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Football ratings just for fun:
Best QB I ever saw play:
1. Elway
1a. Montana
1b. Johnny U (*TV only, never saw in-person, but in the 60’s, Johnny U was The Man)
(Nobody else close to those guys in my opinion…even Brady is 2nd-tier)
Best arm:
Marino
Elway
Namath
(JGeorge. if his arm was connected to a brain)
Best athlete, short career:
Bo Jackson
Earl Campbell
Best Athlete, long career:
Jim Otto
Jerry Rice
July 19th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
Hayes, livin in Denver with all the bronco fans they used to brag so much about Elwood, to shut them up all I would say is “If he was with the Raiders we’d have 5 SBs” this is after he lost 3 they had no comeback for that.
July 19th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Hard to argue with somebody who agrees with them, I guess. Not very insulting to hear fans of your arch rival team declare how great a player their guy is!
July 19th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Best QBs I ever watched play:
Elway/ Marino
P Manning
B Favre ( I like gunslingers, and he was the best)
July 19th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Raider O Says:
What about M Jordan?!
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Has Jordan ever scored 100 points in a game?
Jordan is certainly the best shorter than Wilt.lol
July 19th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
Just one game?
Ball on the 1-yard-line, one play left and I need a TD?
1. Bo Jackson
2. Earl Campbell
3. Jim Brown
3a. Zack Crockett
(Now, that’s admittedly some home-cookin’ — just based on percentage of carries per TD. Hey, it’s MY list).
July 19th, 2009 at 3:18 pm
TW,
I’m not a huge BBall fan, but I was a big Jordan fan.
I think him and Magic changed BBall! Teams used to depend on their Cs more before these 2.
July 19th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
TW,
He didn’t score 100 points, but he scored 60+!!! lol
July 19th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
But was he in a Conan movie???
hahahaa
July 19th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
I’ll take Jim Brown. He will score!!!
That man is special!!
July 19th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
I was a big D J fan afterwards I couldn’t watch anymore because Jordan changed the game for me!
It wasn’t a team sport anymore. Just get it to MJ.
July 19th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
TW,
LMAO!!
July 19th, 2009 at 3:26 pm
Poor Scottie Pippen!! He never gets any credit.
July 19th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Mike J was more a creation of the NBA and daylong sports channels ESPN, TNT running every highlight he did a thousand times. He had the best propaganda machine behind him imaginable up to that time.
If we had seen Wilt’s career and Doc’s career and so many others with the same access. MJ would be just another truely great talent. Half the games no one saw if you weren’t there local highlights didn’t show all games. You had to wait until Sunday to see teams from other markets.
I’m not at all saying MJ is all hype just stating my opinion of David Stern and ESPN. Stern hyped the hell out of Michael as the best player ever and mandated that refs follow marching orders. Thus 6 championships.
MR your lunacy merits no response other than to say ‘do you see what I mean’? This season will speak volumns.
July 19th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Look at the record books and compare the two stats. Stats don’t tell everything but in this case Wilt’s stats mind boggling.
July 19th, 2009 at 3:39 pm
They didn’t even get the 100 point game on tape did they, Priest?
July 19th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
DVD’s of past athletes should be a machination of the teams they played for. It’s a great idea for the fans to see players of the past.
But as of now i don’t think anything like that exist. I’d love to see more of Gale Sayers and Jim Brown. There has been no one like them since.
July 19th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
No they didn’t can you believe that? a replay of that game would change entire generations opinions as to who’s the greatest ever.
If you could see players like Earl Monroe and Doctor J and the “Big O” I guarantee immediate arguments would ensue.
July 19th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
There’s a lot to be said for those players who gave their heart & loved the game & THEN the money as oppose to getting millions a yr.
July 19th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
“When Davis fired Kiffin a lawyer told me Kiffin did not seem to have committed a material breach of his contract,” Cohn notes. And every other NFL team always automatically pays the contracts of their fired coaches, and it’s never an issue. Ex-49er coach Mike Nolan is living large on John York’s money as you read this.
And this is not even that significant an amount of money to Al Davis. He spent more than twice this much on just a signing bonus for a half-season of DeAngelo Hall!
But Kiffin did break an unwritten rule, moronically pursuing a college job during while he still had an NFL position — with five games still left on his rookie season! It’s a profoundly unclassy thing to do to your players, and just an insane quit-lust when given the opportunity of a lifetime. I cannot actually prove that Lane Kiffin pursued that Arkansas coaching job in 2007. But there is no way on earth that I will believe Arkansas asked Al Davis permission to interview Kiffin without the coach first acknowledging to Arkansas that he was interested in the position.
The $2.6 million is a big deal to Kiffin, who makes less than that all year coaching Arkansas and has a really hot wife to keep happy. But to Al Davis, this is just fun psychological warfare. And the battle won’t be resolved for several more months.
July 19th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
hmm i just google Layla Kiffin, tried to post the URL here, but no luck, but i certainly would do her =)
July 19th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
iwoulddolaylakiffin.com really a website?
I’d have to say she’s got quite a honker on her.
July 19th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
I’d still rather have Monica Belluci.
July 19th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
RaiderTW…
absolutely, and her MBs honkers arent made of plastic =)
July 19th, 2009 at 6:11 pm
These 3 Raiders will not make the Hall until azzhole writers like that jerk off from SI dies or they take the power away from writers (sorry Jerry) and give it to people who actually PLAYED the game.
Honor our NFl vets by letting THEM vote on who should be inducted.
Do the right thing and what makes sense for once…
July 19th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
Kiffin’s wife is hot.
He’s a head case…
July 19th, 2009 at 6:15 pm
Kiffin will NEVER see that money. EVER. Just ask Shanahan.
Davis will spend 10 times what Kiffin wants just to keep from paying him.
July 19th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
What no one talks about is the NFL ruled against Shanny on payment. Not until Al threatened to sue Shanny for bringing it up did he stop. This was before they won a SB. Now everyone things Al still owns him.
July 19th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Kiffin has no honor!
July 19th, 2009 at 7:35 pm
Hows that 0??
July 19th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
Kiffin should have honored Al and the Raiders because no other NFL team was going to hire him as a HC!!
He had talent as a play caller, he was good at offense, but he has no honor!!
July 19th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Do you agree Dude?
July 19th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Looking at college jobs when you are suppose to focus on your team. Why not quit? Because he has no honor, and he wanted to get fired so he can collect! Where is the honor in that?
July 19th, 2009 at 7:50 pm
Kiffin great coach but you find out no one could trust him. When you lie to the media your team and the man that’s paying you. He would’ve been smarter to quit if he couldn’t honor his contract.
Fired for cause, I’ve never seen that before. Yet the NFL upheld it…
July 19th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
You know for a fact he was looking at other jobs?
July 19th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
No, I would say the way Al Davis handled the situation was an embarrasment. Plain and simple.
July 19th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
I liked the kiffin hire at 1st, but the way he acted was childish. All the jabs at Al with the media, looking at college jobs, and makng DRAMA.
July 19th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
You know for a fact he was looking at college jobs?
July 19th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Dude,
71 what?
July 19th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Yes!!
July 19th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
How? I heard speculation from the Raiders but never saw a legit source that confirmed it. Whats your source?
July 19th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Everyone except one person knows the guy was looking at college jobs. He as much as admitted he was after the Arkansas job. Even Jerry posted comments acknowledging he thought Kiffin was looking at the Arkansas , he can’t say for sure even though it was obvious to most dogs and cats.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Did Palin then pull a Kiffin?
July 19th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
hmm…
I still havent seen any proof of that, but I sure heard many talking about it, most with no access to the case, though the raider org has talked alot about it, though in such a case, they dont have any credit since they are a part of it, but Arkansas never said Kiffin was looking for a job with them, but the media and Raiders says so… then it must be the truth, LOL, funny how the media cant be trusted when its something negative, but when it substantiate a case made by the raider org, then its ok…
life is funny sometimes…
July 19th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
TW,
She is sexy.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Palin can pull anything her little heart desires.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
BHP,
Patrino is happy there. Another man with no honor.
What’s up with Ark?
July 19th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
aint it now?
That’s like saying Gruden never talked to Notre Dame to measure their interest. Arkansas contacted Mr Davis Kiffin didn’t know that Mr Davis had contacts at Arkansas.
But when you see someone who has lied to everyone concerned and the news is on sports news outlets. That’s where the Kiffin’s come from it only stands to reason especially when a coach quits his NFL to beat Kiffin out. Too much smoke for there not to be fire.
I gues you guy’s don’t think Kiffin wanted to get fired either? lol
July 19th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Good (?) Raider O, Petrino knew he had to do something fast or Kiffin would be the HC at Arkansas.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
“I’m in”!!
What a joke!!
July 19th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
BHP,
LMAO
That’s funny, but it could be true.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:38 pm
These are some of the same guy’s who thought the Raiders would evaporate once Kiffin left. That absolutely NO coach would want this job. We would be coachless. Never get a class coach like Marshall to come here never FA’s ever again. Never win another game.
It was football Armegeddon, Oh! my god Kiffin is leaving we will be a burned out cinder.
If you go back and read some of the histeria wouldn’t believe it. Guy’s were on the bridge ready to jump. Sme said it was the worse thing Al Davis could ever do getting rid of the professional liar.
Well we weren’t reduced to ashes we actually got better and so did the QB. And they still support that scumbag.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:40 pm
What kills me are the posters that believe everything the media feeds them about Al Davis, no matter how preposterous or out right untrue. Yet when it is the slightest thing that might make the Raiders/Al Davis look good, they need proof beyond a shadow of any doubt.
Hypocrites! You know who you are as you are reading this.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
I’ll ba back in an hour or so, time to sing elmo’s world.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Didn’t the OC from the Giants want the Job, but AL went with cable.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Yeah Gilbride went so far as to say he was honored to be considered. Coach Fassell really wanted the job. Some others as well can’t remember.
But the mass histeria in here so thick you could cut it with a knife. One of my favorite posters Terrapin quit posting. I’m still ashamed of that one. Terrapin should’ve known better.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
Funny how when a story is about Al Davis or Jamarcus Russell and there isnt any concrete solid from the horses mouth evidence its “BS” or “Media hatin” but when its about someone else its treated as fact. Weird.
No one did want this job, thats how we ended up with Tom Cable as head coach. A guy who never would have sniffed a NFL head job if not for his brilliant “I love all things Raider” media campaign. Shocker of all shockers, the guy is now all of the sudden the second coming of John Madden. Wedirder.
July 19th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Dude
Did I strike a nerve? LMAO
Fukkin Hypocrite
July 19th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
little b1tch
July 19th, 2009 at 9:00 pm
Raider O Says:
July 19th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Palin can pull anything her little heart desires.
=================================
I’d wreck that chick, but her and McCain we’re shills used to guarantee the mess was left for DEMOCRATS to contend with.
Total bimbo…
July 19th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
has russel ever reported at 300+ lbs. the wieght they said he was at 2 weeks before camp?
July 19th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Strike a nerve how? Where? Did you write something?
Fukkin Moron
July 19th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
That was absolutely the silliest move Kiffin could have made. No wonder we got stuck with Rob Ryan last year. No way Davis was going to trust Kiffin to bring in his own guys, and then leave at the first opportunity. The whole thing was strange from the get go. It had to be that Kiffin just “tripped” mentally when he was told NO on Quinn. It’s surprising that he wanted Quinn b/c he didn’t have that type of QB at USC.
Just a sad chapter in our books that no one could really see coming. I mean, he was pretty much a nobody coach who was given A LOT of roster control, and was able to bring in his own offensive staff. How could he already be trying to quit halfway through his rookie year? It just makes no sense!
July 19th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Has Russell ever reported at 300+? Umm… dont know. Never been at camp when he weighed in and I am pretty sure the Raiders didnt make the weigh in numbers available. Like I said, dont know. Did he?
July 19th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
JHill,
He didnt have what kind of QB at SC??
July 19th, 2009 at 9:14 pm
Cable grew up a Raider fan, or so he says. I think it is kinda of lucky for us that we ended up with a head coach that happens to be a fan of the team. That can in no way be a negative.
I do think that the on the job interview he had with the Raiders last year could be labled successful, right? If he had not resigned with the Raiders, he would have surely bee considered for an OC position, at a minimum. I think it’ safe to say his days as an Oline coach are over.
Plenty of players lobbies for Cable, if for no other reason, continuity.
Now with all that said, the majority of comments I see stress major concern with the upcoming season because of Cable. Will he play the right guys? Will he need DMac to call our plays? Etc.
Far from the next Madden, other than we HOPE that is what he is!
July 19th, 2009 at 9:18 pm
A QB like Brady Quinn, one that would’ve been a dink and dunk guy in his offense.
Josh McClown = Brady Quinn = Garcia = Gannon.
Just saying that I would have thought he would have preferred the bigger arm guys like Palmer and John David Booty. Reggie Bush and Lindell White got the ball a lot when Leinart was at the helm.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:20 pm
Jhill it makes a lot of sense if you consider the kind of person Kiffin is. He came here expected to push an old man down the stairs and take over. Bring in his people and dominate everyone and everything in this organization. Look up the word megalomaniac that word is attributed to Mr Davis by people who don’t know him. If you heard the things people at USC were saying about Kiffin and the things people employed by the Raiders were saying about Kiffin how he would treat people with zero respect. As if he was some accomplished coach here to save the Raiders. The guy personifies the word delusional.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
The only negative I see with him kissin so much arse is he obviously thinks Al Davis and his ways doing bizness still work. Thats the most toubleing thing to me. This team needs a new way of doing things. Cable would not have gotten a OC job, the Raider O was pisspoor during the majority of his stay last year. I lost alot of respect for the man over the offseason. Listening to him really makes me believe he is reading from a teleprompter that Al Davis is typing on.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:25 pm
Oh no you didnt just call John David Booty “big armed”. That statement alone proves you dont know what your speakn of. Booty’s arm was the weakest of all SC Qbs in the last 10 years. Brady Quinn is a big strong armed QB, not as big and strong armed as Russell, but still a far cry from dink and dunk. And your Leinhart comment is rediculous, he didnt win the Heisman by handing the ball off the RB and Lendale. Brady Quinn is a prototype SC QB.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
And for the record, I thought we had our strong armed QB in Andrew Walter. I thought we should have taken Adrian Peterson by either trading down with Tampa, or taking him straight up #1. Andrew Walter would have looked A LOT better with AP running behind him.
Not mad that we ended up with McFadden though. Not a bad consolation.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
Boy! you are clueless Dude. If Russell were anywhere NEAR 300 lbs. every news outlet in the nation would’ve listed it. The fact that NO ONE did answers that (?)
Hell Jerry said the first thing he would look at was Russell’s conditioning and you never heard a word about it. So that alone speaks volumns about Russell’s conditioning. You heard some reporters say something abpout him at Wards fight but even that was vague.
I see the pix at camp and he just looks like a big man which is what he is and always will be. In fact ?’s about his wieght have all but disappeared.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
JHill,
Agreed on the AP thing. However, what would have happened more likely was Matt Ryan being there for the taking in 08. Fukkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!! Imagine Adrian Peterson and Matt Ryan as the cornerstones of this franchise! Damn
July 19th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Ok, he wasnt 3 bills. LOL. Who said he was and who brought it up?
July 19th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
I knew you were trying to “prove” your SC fan status that you claim by your ?, lol.
If you think the world of Leinart, as we all know you do, then fine. We all see how that big arm is working out in the NFL.
Same with that big armed Quinn. He can throw it downfield, sure enough. But not on target! Look, just tell me why he dropped past, uh, everyone?!?!? Removed from the green room because of an embarrasing drop to the 20’s?
Lienart and Quinn? WOW!
July 19th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
LenDale and Bush didn’t win Leinart the Heisman?
Really?
Did he EVER have to pass against anyting other than single coverage. Wonder why not?
July 19th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Dude Leinert’s arm is stronger than Booty’s are you serious? Booty has an average arm Leinert’s is flat out questionable. Neither could get it 60 yards downfield.
Prototypical SC QB now what the hell does that mean?
July 19th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
Never said Quinn was a great pro. Said he had a strong arm and was a SC type QB. Nice try. As far as Leinhart goes, I think he will end up being good because of the situation he is in and he has good skills. Think Russell would do well in the same situation. Thats it thats all. Good job trying to cover up the fact that you dont know what the hell your talking about. Booty is big armed. Quinn isnt. LOL!! Leinhart just handed off to Bush and White.LOL!!! Well done. Clap, clap, clap, clap,clap.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:39 pm
Jhill, Dude is swimming in his own ignorance.
I’ve been an SC fan since ‘70 there is no such thing as a prototype SC QB.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:40 pm
Dude, if only the coaches at Arizona felt as you do. Leinert has been a huge disappointment. Quinn even worse.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Priest,
You dont know what the hell your talking about. Simple as that. Leinhart dznt have Russells arm but its adequate for the NFL. Booty has a weak arm which is why he wont be an NFL starter. Like I said, you dont know what your speakn on.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:43 pm
Quinn hasnt gotten near the shot Russell has, but hes a bust and big boy isnt? Ok. How do you pretend to know how the coaches in AZ feel? Man you get more rediculous by the day.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:48 pm
Yep, big strong arm QBs NEVER play for SC. Its usually some short lil fella that can run like the wind. LOL!
July 19th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
I know Priest …
I know I watched Lienart and PRAYED that we didn’t draft him. I just didn’t like him as a QB, and was actaully mad he stayed an extra year and made us wait to see Booty.
Like I said, he could get the ball down the field, but not with any accuracy. None what so ever, just like at ND. I would rather have Matt Lienart than Lady Quinn, and you know how I fell about Lienart.
Again I ask you, when Lienart wasn’t handing the ball off, wasn’t he throwing against single coverage and 1 deep safety? Wasn’t there always and extra man up to stop the running game? Don’t you know Leinart had only 2 reads? 7 man front = handoff, and 8 man front = pass.
It was that simple!
July 19th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
The coaches in Cleveland made Quinn run sprints for repeated assignment miscues. If you don’t know that the coaches in Arizona are disappointed with Leinert you shouldn’t say it. Booty just isn’t a starter but his arm is stronger than Leinert’s……….period
Prototype SC QB! lol and I don’t know what I’m talking about? you need to quit!!!……..period
July 19th, 2009 at 9:54 pm
Swear I remember D Byrd making a great one handed catch in the game vs Oklahoma. Pretty sure Leinhart threw a strike like 40 yards off his back foot. Could be wrong tho. Also remember him drillin Jarrett with a pass in the ND game to pert near win it but again, could be worng.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
What was Carson Palmer? Mark Sanchez doesn’t have a strong arm?
Just how stupid is this guy?
Have you seen the QB’s they have in camp this year? stop posting while you’re just at the idiot level.
July 19th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
LOL!! You two morons are hilarious! Leinart wasnt accurate? Thats why he was so good, he was one of the most accurate passers in college football. What a stupid comment. You were dissapointed he came back because you wanted Booty? Oh my! Yeah, you must really hate winning NCs and Heismans. WHAT A MORON!
I love JDB, defended the hell out of him for 2 years. But his arm is weak and its not even debateable.
Man, you two are really proving yourselves to be fools.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
Strengths
Is a proven winner; one of the most effective quarterbacks to ever play in Division I-A. Has a terrific command of his offense. A natural born leader with terrific all-around intangibles. Is calm and poised. A proven performer under pressure. Steps up in key situations and isn’t afraid to have the ball in his hands when it counts. He has very good size. Is tall with solid build, long arms and big hands. He has an excellent feel for reading defenses. Shows rare touch and accuracy as a passer. Can fit the ball in between coverage and knows how to lead his receivers. He throws a tight spiral. Has excellent feel for timing routes and anticipates his receivers’ breaks well. He has deceptively quick feet in the pocket for such a big quarterback. Possesses good pocket presence. Not a threat to run but he shows enough quickness and fluidity to buy extra time from within the pocket. He sets up quicker than his speed would indicate. He also does a very good job of reading defenses in his drop. He has good body control and balance. He has a high release point, has no trouble seeing over his offensive line and rarely has a pass batted down. He has a very good work ethic.
Weaknesses
Durability is somewhat of a concern. Had a rotator cuff injury that forced him to miss his sophomore season in high school, tendonitis that bothered him in 2004 and required off-season surgery that shelved him in the spring of 2005. Lacks ideal speed. Not a threat to take off and run. His delivery quickness is slower than the ideal. He possesses adequate-to-good arm strength, but lacks elite NFL arm. He will not be able to fit the ball into some tight spaces that NFL quarterbacks with excellent arm strength can execute.
Overall
Leinart, who replaced Heisman Trophy winner Carson Palmer as the Trojans’ starting quarterback in 2003, has been a fulltime starter since his sophomore season, when he finished 255 of 404 (63.4-percent) with 3,556 yards, 38 touchdowns and nine interceptions. Leinart started for his second season at quarterback as a junior in 2004, when he completed 269-of-412 passes (65.3%) for 3,322 yards and 33 TDs with just 6 interceptions, plus he rushed for 3 TDs. As a senior in 2005, Leinart completed 65.7-percent of his attempts for 3,815 yards with 28 TD’s and eight INT’s. He won the Heisman Trophy in 2004. In three seasons as a fulltime starter (2003-’05), Leinart was 37-2 in games that he started and he led his team to back-to-back national championships during his first two seasons. Leinart is a southpaw quarterback with great size, leadership skills and intangibles. As a potential top-five draft pick, Leinart’s lack of speed is a bit concerning, as are his minor durability issues and lack of elite arm strength. He also has been surrounded by the best supporting cast in college football during his three seasons as a starter. However, Leinart still has enough physical tools and the exceptional intangibles that it takes to develop into a good starting quarterback in the NFL. He is quick enough in the pocket to buy some second-chance passing opportunities, he has played through pain and he has better arm strength than several above average starters in the NFL right now. He also possesses outstanding accuracy as a passer. Very much like the Patriots’ Tom Brady, Leinart simply knows how to win. That is why, despite his lack of elite all-around physical tools, Leinart is the premier quarterback prospect in the 2006 class.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Ever heard of sarcasm idiot. SC QBs always are big with strong arms. JDB just wasnt as big and his arm wasnt as strong. What about the kids in camp now?
July 19th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
Thanks JHill. “Adequate NFL arm”- exactly what I said.
“Rare accuracy”- also what I said. Well done.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
I said Quinn wasn’t accurate, lol! Can u read?
I see you keep dancing around the RB question though, lol!
The point is he has a stronger arm than Lienart! Are you slow or what?
Booty playing with those RBs would have been just as good. Again, the point is playing with LenDale and Bush is what made that engine roll. And why it hasn’t been the same since they left.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Jhill Dude is just a loudmouth fool full of contravercy. Doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground. I have even less respect for him than I did. Something I didn’t think possible.
Leinert had very serious accuracy problems against Cal he struggled like crazy and against Stanford. Even BYU exposed him. He’s a check down artist……..period.
Reggie Bush and all thse weapons from TE”s to HB’s are what made him. He damn near had a pro team playing college football.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Checkdown artist? LOL!!!!!!!!!! Dwayne Jarrett ran a TON of checkdown routes!! A TON!
JHIlls scouting report- ” Rare accuracy”
Good RBs make a QBs job easier? Nooooooooooooooooooo
Booty had just HORRIBLE backs playn wit him. HORRIBLE!\
This is comical, two morons talking so far out there asses they dont know which way is up or down.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Right … Sorry I got distracted.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
What did SC beat BYU by that year? Like 30 or 40? Must have really exposed the guy.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
A qb, college or pro, may have had an off game? NEVER!!
July 19th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Jhill, he catches himself in his own crap. He’s so stupid.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
JHill,
Got any more SC insight? You really know your stuff. LMFAO!!
July 19th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Come on tough guy. What about the kids in SCs camp?
July 19th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
I guess I’ll get back to Raider football since someone can’t acknowledge the simple fact that teams game planned for the game and just took their chances with Leinart. Dispite your man crush on the guy, it was CLEARLY the Reggie Bush/LenDale White show. You can’t even pretend that Lienart was picking apart defenses, and just dropping dimes out there. LOL, it didn’t even go down like that. Leinart was the beneficiary of that running game, PLAIN and SIMPLE!
July 19th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Even that great game against ND was only great because Leinert sucked and SC had to win in the final seconds.
This guy knows nothing about USC trust me.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Not even 2 weeks until camp starts, and I’m looking forward to Aug 9th!
Was going to try and make it to the game, but my boy who I was rolling with got laid off. He’s a huge Dallas fan. But that’s out now.
Really interested to see who wins the starting WRs jobs, and how the rookies play into the rotation.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Jhill,
Your clueless. Go back to talking Raiders. You at least can pretend to know something. The guy won a NC, a heisman and threw 5 tds in the NC game. But yeah, he sucks.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Name the QB’s in camp at SC Dude? who’s the projected starter?? from the spring game who’s the odds on favorite. Who’s the starting HB this year?
July 19th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Priest,
Your a big SC fan, eh. You saying Leinart wasnt good at SC? And I am still waiting to hear your thoughts on this years QB prospects for the Trojans.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Jhill the opening drive against Dallas’s defense will be interesting.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Barkley, Corp, Mustain and Garrett Green. Sounds like Aaron Corp is leading the race but I still think Barkley will end up taking it. RBs will be Stafon, CJ and Joe again with Wendell Tylers kid gettn more and more touches.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Leinert was a good field general. Had great moments and some great throws. But mostly benefitted from OUTSTANDING talent. Mike Williams was a beast and the TE’s were all great players. That’s without mentioning the backfield. But he was a very average passerhe was gutsy but very average. Carson Palmer was a phenonemal QB at SC but Carrol and Chow got there a little late. While Hackett is a great QB coach he just can’t coach and I hated his playcalling for Carson Carson should’ve been one of great all-time college QB.
Names of the yung QB doesn’t come to mind but Stefon Jonson should start at HB. I’m hoping the Oline hlds up and the QB is able t lean on the running game early. It looks like Mustain is gonethe young QB beat him out in spring practice.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
LOL, Dude …
You don’t drink Raider kool-aid, you drink Dude kool-aid.
I never said Leinart sucks. That’s you translatin.
Just like I never said Leinart wasn’t inaccurate.
Never said Quinn had a weak ar, just that he was inaccurate.
Yet all your posts are based upon me saying the total opposite! LMFAO. Are you really blatantly twisting things to suit your argument?
I’ll say it hopefully for the last time …
I didn’t like Leinart as a QB because he didn’t have the strongest of arms. He was nothing like Carson Palmer. All the talk was of John David Booty and his big arm. I was upset, figuratively speaking, that Leinart chose to forgo the NFL, thus making us wait one more year for the muched hyped John David Booty. Booty playing with White and Bush … well let’s just say would have been a lot better for Booty. He would have WITHOUT ? been a heisman candidate and a first round pick. Not because of anything more than playing with those 2 RBs.
It’s not that hard, unless you want it to be.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
I forgot about the Norm Chow offense factor.
MY GOODNESS! What are we even talking about here?
But on that note, very sad that the ego’s forced Chow out. I wonder if it is coincidence that Chow wasn’t a big Kiffin fan.
Too bad for SC though, in the end.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Dude ..
Please step it up a few levels. My 4 year old just passed out, so I can get her DS and pop in Layton and the Curious Village and get more of a brain challenge.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Leinert accuracy IMO was suspect there were games he should’ve been a lot better and he would struggle. USC should’ve blown ND out if not for Leinert. He frustrated me plenty.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Ok ..
Raiders-Dallas
I’m looking forward to it more so because we will see plenty of DHB, Mitchell, Murphy, and the young guys. I think week 3 will be real interesting b/c we will have a feel for where Barnes is going to play, and who is going to start opposite Chaz.
And that’s just for starters.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Kiffin was the ego that made Chow bow out. Kiffin would never have gotten any credit. USC fans hated Kiffin something I didn’t know until later.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Will be interested to see the starting lineup against Dallas though. In particular, the Safeties. I think it is going to be Huff and Mitchell starting.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
I don’t know I tend to think week 3 will be very important for cuts, establishing starters and getting Russell comfortable with what they will be running during the season. I can’t wait to see DHB.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Will Javon Walker and Armond Shield make the team?
July 19th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Huff where? FS? he better play well in preseason Jhill it wont be pretty.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
I like USC, But I like The OSU more.
I’m a SDSU fan!!! Go Aztecs!!!
I really liked USC when Bush was there. That was a great team, and I lost money on them against Texas.
July 19th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
How bad is DHB’s injury? Can he play in preseason and camp?
July 19th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Week 3 is when we tend to play the starter 3 qtrs, right? If not, my bad, that was the game I was talking about.
We should see if Henderson kept his spot, or if Barnes beat him out, with the loser going to RT. Or maybe Pears locks down that RT job keeping Barnes on the bench?
Does DHB start or JLH? Is Murphy #4 or Walker?
Are Eugene and Branch the backups they are supposed to be?
Is Scott starting over Burgess?
And so on!
Yes Sir, we are getting close!
July 19th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Arman needs to practice first. He has never practiced more than a week at a time. If he can come and show what he can do he will make the team or garner a draft pick. The kid is talented but if you can’t practice who cares?
July 19th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Texas D and VY were great! Too bad for me and the Raiders! I lost money, and we drafted Huff.
July 19th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Priest,
I shot a question to Kirk during the chat, and he backed Nnamdi’s comments that Huff will be the defensive breakout player. I have a hard time believing that Branch will be on the field over our most experiened S. He will be our STs gunner without question, and I don’t know of another example of a gunner starting at S.
July 19th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
wassup O
July 19th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
I don’t think we are keeping Burgess, I think we will trade him and Walter to NE.
July 19th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
I think there are a lot of people gunning for 1 MAYBE two open WRs spots. If we carry 5 WRs, you have to know that Chaz, JLH, Murphy, and DHB are locks.
I don’t see ANY reason to carry 6 WRs. A LOT of folks for one open spot.
Holland
Shields
Walker
Franklin
Watkins
And I’m sure I’m forgetting someone.
July 19th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
DHB’s injury what injury? are you talking about the hamstring? that’s history……period
July 19th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Burgess and Walter to NE makes to much sense. Problem is Al is still P’d at the Moss trade and expect NE to kinda make it up to him. He probably wants 2 #2’s to make that deal, plus cash.
July 19th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Jhill,
I’ve been reading for the last hour, and I’m glad I didn’t post much. I’m calm and ready for bed.
Have a great night bro, and later Gents.
Later Nation.
July 19th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
I didn’t know that hammy was history. It was still a problem at the last OTA. Hope it is healed, did I miss an update?
July 19th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
The WR position will be dogfight. I’m only betting on Chaz, Jlh and DHB because of draft status. The rest is wideopen pardon the pun.
July 19th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
BHP,
I never had a hamstring injury, so I didn’t know. I hope you are right. PA baby!
Jhill,
I hope we trade him since he will be a FA next year, and I don’t think this team is ready to make a SB run this year. If we trade him, then we can use the picks or player(s) to make a SB run next year.
Raider On Nation!
July 19th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
yeah I guess so, Nnamdi interviewed DHB on a local station and DHB said he was great that the only thing he needed to do to be a starter was to catch a couple of passes on Nnamdi. Nnamdi responded with a smile saying …….oh we have jokes now huh. But yeah he’s full go..
July 19th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Ok, that’s great news!
Catch you guys later!
July 20th, 2009 at 5:09 am
good morning raider nation !!!!
let’s play some football…
July 20th, 2009 at 5:26 am
no its not, its a very crappy day…
July 20th, 2009 at 5:34 am
Damn 112 down here in the Central Valley just giving away money to pg&e. Marcus Allen best goal line rb ever sorry mr campbell no body could jump a pile like marcus he made it look so easy.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:04 am
Morning Nation!!!!!
monday’s grind is always a good one!!!! Hope Meyers can bloch his arse off!!!!!!!!! And Good point About Re-signing Styker that is a good buisness decsion…. and it sound like Jerry wants us to aruge over Wilfork again!!! With the patsies talk I would be surprised if uncle AL helps them out any more!!!!
GALLERY TO THE PROWBOWL!!!!!
KEEP BURGESS!!!!!!!
July 20th, 2009 at 6:06 am
A player should be voted into the HOF based on his performance in era in which he played. Cliff Branch’s numbers don’t compare to the numbers today because he played during a time when run run run and pass if you have to was the way to go or 75/25 run to pass. Today, it is more 55/45 run to pass. And based on the competition from his time perion, Cliff Branch beat his competition. CB had seasons where he average 20+ yds per catch…unheard of even by today’s standards. Of all Raiders not in the HOF, Cb needs to be at the top of the list of those to get in.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:06 am
http://msn.foxsports.com/other/story/9822996/Lawyer:-Erin-Andrews-to-sue-over-nude-video?GT1=39002
ANYONE HAVE A LINK?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!??!?!
LOL
July 20th, 2009 at 6:23 am
The link is the highlighted video word.
http://americanpowerblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/nude-video-of-erin-andrews.html
July 20th, 2009 at 6:24 am
Morning and hope that starts your day off in the right way.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Sorry, it’s the word “here”
July 20th, 2009 at 6:36 am
good work exlaraiderseasonticketholder,
Wonder how long that will be up!!! I would be pissed if I was her!! She was prob at some 2nd rate motel!!
July 20th, 2009 at 7:19 am
OAKlifer Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 6:36 am
good work exlaraiderseasonticketholder,
Wonder how long that will be up!!! I would be pissed if I was her!!
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couldnt care less, if someone would see me naked it says a whole lot about them, i mean if they wnat to see an ugly mofo as me, lol, well its their problem….
if i was a hot young woman, then i would be totally pissed, and/or if i was married to a hot young woman =)
July 20th, 2009 at 7:20 am
GM all. Let me pass on a bit on free advice to my Raiders AM brethren. If you get invited to spend a day kayaking on the mighty Mississippi, find an exucse NOT to…
Excerpt from SacBee re camp schedule:
This eye patch-wearing scuttlebutt revolves around the team’s early camp schedule.
The Raiders report July 28 to the Napa Valley Marriott. Upon waking up the 29th, they spend that day’s entirety in meetings.
“I think (coach Tom Cable) wants us to be mentally prepared for camp,” said team captain Nnamdi Asomugha, at the Oakland Coliseum to throw out the ceremonial first pitch before Sunday’s A’s-Angels game, “instead of just going right into it.”
Maybe. But the next day, the Raiders’ first day of practice, they get “right into it,” with the first of four days of two-a-day practices.
Wait, what? Yes, for four consecutive days, in the searing heat of wine country, the Raiders start camp with suicidal two-a-days.
Camp Cable begins as more of a detention session than back-to-school pleasantries.
If that’s simply a way for Cable to toughen up his squad, by all means. But if, as a league source suggests, the quirky scheduling means the team needs the extra meeting time and early run of two-a-days to do something crazy like, oh, I don’t know, install a new offense, then that’s unfortunate.
It would mean the weekend of mandatory minicamp, the four weeks of organized team activities, the quarterback school, was all for naught; that as many strides as the Raiders seemingly made this summer, they’re back to Square One. Again.
Here’s hoping it’s not the case. It doesn’t seem likely. Then again, neither did cutting a sixth-round draft pick … before camp.
July 20th, 2009 at 7:38 am
Good, I hope Cable beats ‘em up!
July 20th, 2009 at 7:41 am
good morning AM crew. sorry i’m late. business to attend to
Gabby! where’s my coffee? get these fellas some too.
put it on my tab …
July 20th, 2009 at 7:43 am
Damned media! Making stuff up again! Tom Cable is a brilliant football mastermind, so I highly doubt he is switching to another new offense! Unless, of course, McFadden drew him up some more plays in the dirt….
uh-oh
I heard that the new offense is named the Far-cia offense…not sure what that means….anyone? anyone?
July 20th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Excerpt from SacBee re camp schedule
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BSJ: let me guess?
Paul Gutierrez wrote that piece of trash article?
on the bright side, training camp starts next week!
Anybody else pumped?
July 20th, 2009 at 7:52 am
I heard that the new offense is named the Far-cia offense…not sure what that means….anyone? anyone?
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are you sure it wasn’t called “a farce” ?
because thats what it was called last season too …
July 20th, 2009 at 7:55 am
Count me in RR!
July 20th, 2009 at 8:00 am
Tom Cable should have taken the extra camp allowed for first year Head Coaches imo.
Fixing what Rob Ryan did to the defense and adjusting to a new Air Coryell style offense will take some time. Russell especially needed the extra work.
were they afraid of injuries or just lazy?
July 20th, 2009 at 8:07 am
public service announcement to fellow husbands out there:
if you want to please your wife by watching a chick flick with her because she puts up with your cr@p every day and watches every action/comedy/suspense, etc movie you bring home on a weekend pick something other than ‘He’s just not that into you’
Watched that last night. brutal. never seen a bigger waste of time in all my life. make her find something else!
July 20th, 2009 at 8:07 am
Maybe the passing game camp Cable had counted as that? No? Maybe? Go Raiders!
July 20th, 2009 at 8:08 am
RR,
My lady was happy with Beowulf last night! Easily pleased maybe LOL…
July 20th, 2009 at 8:13 am
“Wait, what? Yes, for four consecutive days, in the searing heat of wine country, the Raiders start camp with suicidal two-a-days.”
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Searing heat my ass. It will be in the mid-80s for 10+ days in Napa, with low humidity. Perfect for camp. Lose that water weight Terdell!!
July 20th, 2009 at 8:13 am
My lady was happy with Beowulf last night! Easily pleased maybe
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LOL. I guess so. I even fell asleep during that movie!
‘Push’ was pretty good.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:15 am
BSJ: Sands already lost a ton of weight. Did you see the pics of him in OTA’s?
he must be hangin’ with Jared from the Subway commercials!
July 20th, 2009 at 8:20 am
Maybe the passing game camp Cable had counted as that? No? Maybe?
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the QB school with Hackett & Tollner?
I think that was a great tool for Russell, Garcia, Gradkowski & Southwick (Frye wasn’t signed yet and Walter chose not to attend).
However, I think there are about 80 other players that need some extra work as well!
It would have been nice to hear about a run defense school taught by Marshall, Board & Haluchek … defensive front seven personnel mandatory, safeties optional
July 20th, 2009 at 8:21 am
A skinny Turd is just as useless as a fat Turd…
July 20th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Rockstar,
What do you expect from a coach who’s first action as Int HC last season was to stop the silly act of practicing until the players got the plays right…I mean those guys need extra time off as they are such workhorses on Sundays, right?!?!
July 20th, 2009 at 8:30 am
Dakota,
I think Tom Cable has a “netflix” coaching style
no late fees, ever!
Who knows what caused Sands to lose weight? Marshall, Board or Cable perhaps? No matter how you look at it, you have to be motivated and disciplined to lose weight. Who knows how a reduced weight will effect his play on the field, but just the thought of him being motivated is improvement in my book! Lets see if he can be consistant, rather than playing big in one game and disappearing for the next 3 …
July 20th, 2009 at 8:34 am
RaiderRockstar, if you want to please the woman in your life with video rentals & still “please” yourself rent “Ask the Dust” your woman will think you are an intellectual because it’s a true story about an author neither of you have heard of BUT Salma Hayek goes nude swimming for about 5 min. in it. It’s early on so you can sleep thru the last half.lol.
If you like Salma then make it a double feature with
Frida where she has a lessie scene in the middle of it. The story’s better (maybe because I’m a sucker for artist movies) if you can put up with her mex- unibrow she’s sporting. Anyway theyre still better than any Sandra Bullock b*llsh^t. How many times can a woman watch Miss Congeniality 6?????
lol
July 20th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Hopefully being the 31st ranked defense had something to do with it. It helps to have a little pride is the NFL IMHO.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:41 am
thanks for the advice/tips/pointers TW.
“Anyway theyre still better than any Sandra Bullock b*llsh^t.”
Funny you mentioned that. She wants to see that movie ‘The Proposal’ with her and Ryan Reynolds in it. LOL
July 20th, 2009 at 8:43 am
“Knowing” was good, we watched that last week. Both enjoyed it.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:43 am
Rockstar,
I saw The Proposal at the wife’s request….I’ve seen worse chick flicks, so if it will make your woman happy, this might be one to go to….
July 20th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Hopefully being the 31st ranked defense had something to do with it. It helps to have a little pride is the NFL
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Pride in what? Punching Shane Lecher?
It didn’t effect him the past 2 seasons!
I’m guessing they told him to come to camp in shape and motivated or he’s out the door …
July 20th, 2009 at 8:45 am
Anyways… Raiders… Ummmmmm, yeah…. CAMP! Kill ‘em Cable, KILL ‘EM!
July 20th, 2009 at 8:46 am
That’d be good enough for me I guess. It took a beating over the head of Henderson to convince him he could start at LT in this league LOL… Turns out he’s not bad.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:47 am
Nothing wrong with punching a kicker either, as long as it’s in the face and not his leg.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:48 am
If I was mad and needed to punch someone, I’d find the closest kicker!
July 20th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Jano, might have put up more of a fight LOL…
July 20th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Good Morning Nation! OAK,RR,Dakota,AZ,TW, BSJ.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:49 am
I saw The Proposal at the wife’s request….I’ve seen worse chick flicks, so if it will make your woman happy, this might be one to go to….
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I’ve heard the same from some buddies of mine. Thanks Dakota
AZ: yes, ‘Knowing’ was pretty good … kinda
for a believer, such as Raider O and myself it’s a bit sketchy. I thought those beings were actually angels until they went up in the spaceship. then it was like they had adam & eve with the tree of life over again. I guess if you take it for what it is (a fictional movie) it’s very interesting. Don’t know why’d they’d throw so much religion in it though
July 20th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Just another prospective RR…
July 20th, 2009 at 8:52 am
AZ Raider Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Hopefully being the 31st ranked defense had something to do with it. It helps to have a little pride is the NFL IMHO.
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The coaches feel they have all the horses they need for an elite defense. Now that the draft and free agency is over….the coaches opinions are good enough for me. Its time to fall in and give these coaches a chance to turn these guys into elite talents they are paid to be.
Greg Ellis can play the run better than Burgess
Tommy Kelly is two yrs removed from knee surgery
Gerard Warren hopefully is healed up
Terdell Sands has all the potential in the world…hopefully Board can harness it
Trevor Scott gained some weight and is determined to be a full time DE
Burgess is in a contract year
Kirk Morrison had 100+ tackles last yr…and is looking to play more downhill
Thomas Howard hopefully will be called upon to provide pressure
Alston can run and so can Slade Norris…not to mention that Ricky Brown was effective until he got injured.
If the coaching staff is as good as advertised….I am hoping for a top 10 defense in 2009
July 20th, 2009 at 8:52 am
AZ,
LMAO
Punch kickers and punters! Show no mercy! lol
July 20th, 2009 at 8:53 am
I’m a believer too, if you mean in God. However, ones believe in what God is may very…
July 20th, 2009 at 8:53 am
LOL!
Good morning “O”, how was your weekend?
July 20th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Nothing wrong with punching a kicker either, as long as it’s in the face and not his leg.
If I was mad and needed to punch someone, I’d find the closest kicker!
Jano, might have put up more of a fight
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LOL !!! Very Nice.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:57 am
If you get a chance Death Race is showing on cable Jason Stratham & Ian McShane. Ian McShane was great in Deadwood, I’d watch anything that guy does. Sexy Beast also good.
Also Hell Ride is good Robert Rodriguez directs. Michael Madsen, Dennis Hopper, Vinnie Jones, David Carradine & lots of mammories.
If you haven’t seen Snatch 20 times watch it again, best Guy Ritchie movie before Madonna ruined him.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:57 am
SnB, if we can make a jump to 20th, I’d be happy with the progress.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Death Race, hahahahaha! Good movie if all your looking for is explosions and carnage
. I enjoyed it!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:03 am
S&B: the Raiders are calling Matt Shaughnessy a base end, even though you don’t. What are your thoughts & opinions on him? Despite injuries throughout his college career (that he played through!) he’s been healthy at camp & OTA’s … How much of an impact do you think he can have in his rookie season ??? Trevor Scott was a 6th round rookie last year and got considerable playing time due to injuries suffered by Burgess & Edwards
July 20th, 2009 at 9:04 am
AZ Raider,
I think 20th is very pedestrian for a team that has two lockdown cornerbacks.
One side of the field is shut down…not even the Steelers or Ravens can say they can do that.
Tom Cable knows his job is always on the line. He is very confident in the talent that’s there. The guys they have are just inconsistent…and mistake proned…they have the physical talent and certainly have the speed.
The only position I could see the Raiders trying to upgrade in 2010 would be SLB. Other than that…they have all the talent they think they need.
In Cable we trust right? If the defensive players are fired up about the coaching and the system…then I am too.
I still say top 10 defense….
Top 5 in pass defense
Top 15 in run defense
July 20th, 2009 at 9:04 am
True story:
I was talking religion with a friend who is a non believer, and we were talking about miracles. She said that it’s not miracles, but they were scientific phenomenas. I agree, but the timing was the miracle. It happened when it was needed, that’s the miracle.
I told her about a hanging rock as a miracle, so she said that’s a miracle. When I told her such a rock is available, she said it was a science phenomena.
Perception: I see miracles that can be explained by science, and she so scientific phenomenas.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Raider O: I didn’t mean to open this can of worms or drag you into it. sorry
All I will say is this… there are MANY things that cannot be explained by science and theories should not be taught to children in school as fact
i’m done with this convo before people start getting hateful. Go Raiders!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:09 am
Raider O,
I want you to grab a book, it’s not about religion but about the nature of partical physics.
Called:
The Devine Matrix
by: Gregg Braden
Absolutely the best read EVER IMO. Talks about the nature of miracles as well and gives an awsome perspective on God and the universe.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:09 am
AZ,
Not that good. I had heat exhaustion, and I had to go to the hospital.
Bad combo when you have a slow heart rate!! lol
How was your weekend?
July 20th, 2009 at 9:09 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 9:03 am
S&B: the Raiders are calling Matt Shaughnessy a base end, even though you don’t. What are your thoughts & opinions on him? Despite injuries throughout his college career (that he played through!) he’s been healthy at camp & OTA’s … How much of an impact do you think he can have in his rookie season ??? Trevor Scott was a 6th round rookie last year and got considerable playing time due to injuries suffered by Burgess & Edwards
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I don’t know enough about Shaughnessy’s game. He is known for playing with high energy. He is a 265-270 DE. That’s a little on light side when I think of a base DE. Regardless, I don’t see him making a large impact this year unless they feel he’s a better option than Jay Richardson. Otherwise I thin he will have to wait until 2010 to really get on the field.
As for Trevor Scott, he is my favorite D-Lineman. I am hoping they are using him is a rush end and that he can hold up against the run. I hope he is the starter. His strength is the pass rush. If Warren and Sands are as good as advertised then Scott should get more one-on-one opportunities.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:13 am
RR,
Don’t be sorry bro, and you didn’t drag me into anything. lol
I understood what you said, but I was going to share this story anyways. lol
July 20th, 2009 at 9:15 am
The only position I could see the Raiders trying to upgrade in 2010 would be SLB.
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Morrison, Howard, Brown, Alston & Williams are all unrestricted free agents at LB. Same for Eugene at FS and Burgess at DE. and we still haven’t seen how well Greg Ellis will play at DE after spending the last 3 years as a stand up pass rusher OLB, who has a ton of wear on the tires. William Joseph & Ryan Boschetti will also not be under contract. one or both of them will be getting a significant numbers of snaps in the DT rotation
July 20th, 2009 at 9:16 am
Mornin’ Raider O, timing makes it a miracle? Check out Synchroniticy by Carl Jung.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:16 am
O,
Sorry to hear that man… Mine was pretty relaxing. Went to a pool party with 3 of my ex-girlfriends. Aperently there is an “After AZ Raider” support group and they all become best of friends LOL…
July 20th, 2009 at 9:20 am
Went to a pool party with 3 of my ex-girlfriends. Aperently there is an “After AZ Raider” support group and they all become best of friends
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my worst nightmare come true! even though they all look good in swim suits
at least back when I dated them. haha. I think a few of them had kids by now
July 20th, 2009 at 9:21 am
TW,
I think we should BONG hard, and talk religion and politics when you here. lol
July 20th, 2009 at 9:21 am
..and they all become best of friends.
THAT doesn’t sound good for you….but then maayyybbbeee….hhhhmmmm.lol
July 20th, 2009 at 9:23 am
RR,
I’ve always been cool with all my ex’s. Can get a little wierd in the beginning of a new relationship, when they find out some of my best friends are also ex’s, but they usually get over it and become friends. No different here, they’ve know each other for years.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:23 am
I think we should BONG hard, and talk religion and politics when you here.
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hit the bong hard, then go to a pool party at AZ’s house!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:24 am
TW…. I won’t comment on that one
July 20th, 2009 at 9:25 am
AZ,
Boy you Craaazy!!! 3 EXs! I can’t do that. I don’t like seeing any of my exs. It’s disturbing to me.
I agree RR. Worst nightmare by far! Unless ……. Hmmm ….
July 20th, 2009 at 9:28 am
Yeah, I like to gather them all up and make ‘em talk to each other. Don’t want to toot my own horn, but I’m a pretty good guy and can’t remember the last time a relationship ended poorly, so the conversations rarley are AZ bashing sessions
July 20th, 2009 at 9:28 am
O, I’m on vacation I’ll talk anything, but no one else would care for it.lol
RR, I couldn’t stand the heat & it would be weird for all if the only chicks to hit on were AZ’s EXs.lol
July 20th, 2009 at 9:28 am
TW,
Exactly!!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:29 am
Death Race is on now, it must be on a 24hr loop. That Brunette is HOT!!!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:32 am
RR, where did you say you live? Let’s go to Calif, I’ll be there in 2 more days. We could go into a Chargers shop & demand Raider gear!!!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:33 am
In !slam, you can Marry 4 women.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Marry!!! That’s 4 too many.lol
July 20th, 2009 at 9:34 am
my ex’s were always jealous of eachother.
never been with a girl who wasn’t jealous of previous gf’s …
I’ve never dated any dogs though, so I don’t know. Is that it, or did I just date some messed up chicks? LOL
I didn’t find a normal girl until I moved to Missouri. then I married her. haha. everybody says she should be a model, but she’s way too shy for that
July 20th, 2009 at 9:35 am
That’s it O, I’m converting tomorrow!
JK, you can have 5 in AZism!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Raider O Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 9:33 am
In !slam, you can Marry 4 women.
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No wonder you had heat exhaustion…
July 20th, 2009 at 9:36 am
There are conditions and rules, but if the wife is OK with the idea, you can marry up to 4 women.
TW,
Shops here sell Raiders gear. We have more Raiders fans than Chargers fans in SD.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:37 am
TW: I live in Missouri
I’d love to, but I was just in CA last month for my mom’s funeral (brought the wife, stayed a week in a hotel. ate every meal out, etc)
gotta play catch up with funds. plus we’re trying to make a baby
I must be present at home for that!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:40 am
Fine I’ll take
Monica Belluci
Salma Hayek
Natalie Martinez
Rachel Welch in her prime.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:40 am
We have more Raiders fans than Chargers fans in SD.
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my best friend growing up lived down the street from me and was a HUGE Raiders fan. He joined the army, got out. got married. moved to San Diego and became a Chargers fan. I was p1ssed! we’re still good friends, but now we talk trash to eachother quite often. I sure hope we beat them in the opener. haha. or i’ll be eating crow for a while
July 20th, 2009 at 9:42 am
TW,
I never wanted to get married, but that was the only way to get my girl here.
RR,
You said you had to go to Miss to find one, I had to go to Jordan!! lol
AZ & BSJ
LMAO
AZism!! Can we smoke, and have an army of women wearing nothing but boots, belts, hats, and AKs?
July 20th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Sorry to hear about your mom that’s tough. I hear about the funds.As for making babies i peel off the trojan, tie it in a knot,flush it & say: If he can get outta that we’ll call him Houdini!!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:44 am
RR,
The Army can do that to a man, should have joined the Navy! lol
July 20th, 2009 at 9:45 am
Ya’ll have no idea how much I want to win that opener. It would shut sooooo many mouths…
July 20th, 2009 at 9:45 am
TW
LMAO
Still LMAO
July 20th, 2009 at 9:46 am
i peel off the trojan, tie it in a knot,flush it & say: If he can get outta that we’ll call him Houdini!!
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LOL! Very Nice.
“You said you had to go to Miss to find one, I had to go to Jordan!!”
worth every penny, wasn’t she? haha. j/k
July 20th, 2009 at 9:48 am
No one wants it more than me. I live in SD!!!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:49 am
I heard that AZ, I have $50 bets on both bronco games. and another for who has the best record. Is that drinking the Kool-aid or did Jim Jones inject me in the arm???lol
July 20th, 2009 at 9:51 am
O, do you go to the games?
July 20th, 2009 at 9:52 am
I keep waiting for some crazy Raider fan to shank that stupid dolts mascot!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:52 am
If we win the opener than go 5-11 would that be a success , I want 10+ wins if the fins can do it so can we!!!
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Everything is Ok in AZism! Except the AK’s, hurting other humans is the only sin, punishable by water balloning!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:57 am
water ballooning, that’s good but only the girls in white t-shirts!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Everything is Ok in AZism! Except the AK’s, hurting other humans is the only sin, punishable by water balloning!
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Raider O: see?
even in AZism hunting & trapping is ok!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:57 am
Raider O Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 9:44 am
RR,
The Army can do that to a man, should have joined the Navy! lol
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But the Marines will turn you INTO a Raider fan…
July 20th, 2009 at 9:57 am
RR,
I lost 4 yrs of education, over 25k cash and some on credit, and I was broke for 2 years.
She treats me very well ( god bless her), she loves me, I love her and trust her, and she gave me my daughter! My kid is everything for me, she is my entire life with my wife.
Worth all the money, education, and time? Yes! IMO
I’m very happy, and I feel very rich in life. Now I have to become wealthy.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:58 am
TW,
I have life time running bets with 2 close friends. 9ner fan and Seatle fan. It’s hard for me to root agaisnt the 9ners though, for some reason they are my 2nd favorite team (especially now with Sigletary there, I love that guy). But I CAN’T STAND THE HAWKS!
$50 for every game played in reg. season agaist and best record at the end.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:00 am
new thread
July 20th, 2009 at 10:02 am
TW,
No. They made it a 3 game pack, and I hate the chargers more than I love football. What am I going to do with the extra 2 tickets?
RR,
I never said hunting and trapping was wrong the way you do it!
July 20th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Raider O: I was just joking man. I didn’t know you actually spent money (lost money) to get her here. What a guy you must be to sacrifice for the one you love. thats an awesome story. she better treat you good. she owes you! haha
off the topic… are there still arranged marriages in the middle east? I mean, how common is it? do you know?
July 20th, 2009 at 10:04 am
AZ, with 5-10 seasons I’ve had to pick the Donkey games I’m sure they will lose to suppliment my loses. And BOY do I have the broncos down. I can tell what teams they will lose to after seeing every donkey game for 20yrs!!! They can’t tell because they are too much into being fans! lol
July 27th, 2009 at 2:36 pm
Dear Jamarcus Russell,
In a year where all the TV analysts are saying this is your make or break season I disagree. Typically the rule is 3 years before the “bust” tag can be applied and your first year didn’t count because of the hold-out. That contract is done, feed and house your family well and give us fan-family what we deserve; A Super Bowl!! Not this year, no pressure but in time? Yes, I believe in you.
So as a big fan of yours and an active member of the Raider Nation I have to ask you: ARE YOU READY? Are you ready to quiet the critics? Are you ready to handle the media? And most important are you ready to be the LEADER of the Oakland Raiders for the next 15 seasons? In the huddle, in the locker room, off and on the field, down by 7 with 1:32 in the 4th? ARE YOU READY?
Your skill is a gift, a god-given gift that was given to you for the purpose of winning and entertaining. And you ARE a RAIDER, so let’s do this huh? I don’t know yet if they gave you that right tools to be a true passer with DHB. Khalif Barnes etc..but only time will tell. And Garcia? They just put him there to light your fire. That’s all. You are the starter for now, but listen to Jeff because he has been around the block a few times seeing that he is 39 years old and all. But also know this, you are 24 years old right? You have your whole life ahead of you, don’t you want to go to the hall of fame some day? I think it’s possible but you need to apply yourself as a leader NOW! That’s where it starts.
While critics say what they say about you, they rarely mention the positive. Never have a seen you blame your WR’s or your O-line men, or slag off your team mates in the media (think Ryan Leaf), You seem to be accountable on the field. Never mind the big arm, that’s just something you already have. You were born to do this.
This season understand this; our defense against ranks worst against the run, and this will not allow you much time to even be on the field as teams will again know to simply eat up the clock on the Raiders by running the ball over and over. This was not addressed in the off season. The schedule is also VERY difficult. This means that 2-6 by mid-season is very possible. But it won’t be your fault necessarily , the organization is to blame for not putting the right people in place. Garcia will come in, he’ll win a couple games and the analysts will go crazy. Warren Sapp will be beaming with arrogance (even though he praised you a few months ago, what’s wrong with that dude?), and people will say “I told you so” BUT they will be wrong. I know there is greatness in you, I know you are pro-bowl material, and I know you can take US to the Super Bowl.
So go into this season as the leader of the Oakland Raiders, hold your head up high, get the team to play for you and gather around you and respect you as a LEADER!!
-A true fan