Camp analysis: Quarterbacks
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, July 20th, 2009 at 9:58 am in Oakland Raiders.
First in a series of posts analyzing Raiders position groups with players scheduled to report to Napa in eight days:
Starter: JaMarcus Russell. Backups: Jeff Garcia, Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Frye, Andrew Walter, Danny Southwick.
The background noise regarding Garcia’s desire to be a starter is just that _ background noise. Barring injury, it would take a faceplant of major proportions for Russell to lose the job in Napa.
The key battle: With Nos. 1 and 2 secure, the question is whether Bruce Gradkowski can hold off Charlie Frye with limited reps. Gradkowski has a head start in the offense and a working relationship with quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett. Frye has the better arm and is a superior athlete. Southwick may not get enough work for a shot-in-the-dark chance to be No. 3.
What I think: Russell was mostly unimpressive during minicamps and OTAs, at least those attended by the media. One practice was so bad a veteran out-of-town NFL writer was horrified, calling it the worst practice he’d ever seen by a quarterback taken No. 1 overall in the draft.
The Raiders tweaked the offense with the addition of Ted Tollner and are still breaking in a youthful group of receivers. Russell’s play in the offseason is more than offset by his showing in the final seven games of the regular season, where he avoided interceptions, was a capable game manager and showed more progress than given credit for in the national media.
Considering he went through three play-callers and the whole Lane Kiffin upheaval, it wasn’t bad _ particularly in the last two games of the season when Johnnie Lee Higgins and Chaz Schilens emerged as legitimate targets to go along with tight end Zach Miller.
That said, the next step is a big one. Russell’s best games have come when the Raiders were run-heavy. Teams will load up to stop Oakland’s run and some will succeed. Russell will have to prove he can carry the offense when that happens. The passing game needs to make big strides in Napa.
What could go wrong: There has been mixed signals about Russell’s work ethic. One day he announces a secret get-together for wideouts, the next day he misses practice, then he reportedly makes good on the camp.
Coach Tom Cable remains optimistic and positive, but cautiously so. He says Russell is learning how to be an NFL quarterback, but always emphasizes Russell could work harder and acknowledging Garcia’s presence is intended to help that process along.
If it’s all a carrot-and-stick ploy by the head coach, simply never allowing a kid quarterback to be satisfied, then fine. If it’s because of a legitimate concern that the future of the franchise still has a ways to go in terms of realizing what it takes to be an NFL quarterback, then it’s a problem.
The debate on whether Russell is making strides in becoming a worker bee or if he still hasn’t grasped the magnitude of his challenge will play itself out on the practice fields behind the Napa Marriott.
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July 20th, 2009 at 10:00 am
1st?
July 20th, 2009 at 10:04 am
“Southwick may not get enough work for a shot-in-the-dark chance to be No. 3.”
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Is Jerry smoking crack?
July 20th, 2009 at 10:04 am
jerry, jerry , jerry !!!
July 20th, 2009 at 10:05 am
Southwick is on a mission from God!!
Southwick is a superior Talent!!
July 20th, 2009 at 10:07 am
RR,
Did you give jerry any crack? lol
July 20th, 2009 at 10:07 am
Bash away Russell haters! The perfect thread for you guys LOL….
I want to see him build off the end of last season. Come out looking as good as he did agaist Texas and TB, and I’ll be drinking the kool-aid I have in the freezer I made just after the season
July 20th, 2009 at 10:09 am
repost:
AZ, with 5-10 seasons I’ve had to pick the Donkey games I’m sure they will lose to suppliment my loses. And BOY do I have the broncos down. I can tell what teams they will lose to after seeing every donkey game for 20yrs!!! They can’t tell because they are too much into being fans! lol
July 20th, 2009 at 10:10 am
You don’t draft a QB #1 overall to be “a capable game manager” …
Even 39 year old Jeff Garcia could do that.
Russell needs to show us why he was the 1st overall pick in the 2007 draft. He needs to be a difference maker. a game changer. We need to win because of him, not in spite of him. You can only hide behind the running game for a handful of games. Against better teams like San Diego you better be balanced and you better be able to throw when need be
July 20th, 2009 at 10:11 am
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Raider O: I was just joking man. I didn’t know you actually spent money (lost money) to get her here. What a guy you must be to sacrifice for the one you love. thats an awesome story. she better treat you good. she owes you! haha
off the topic… are there still arranged marriages in the middle east? I mean, how common is it? do you know?
July 20th, 2009 at 10:13 am
Ask KC how many QBs they need in a season. Garcia’s a great back up IMO. We have 2 QBs better than the Broncos!!! 3 if you count Southwick, tip o the hat to BSJ. lol
July 20th, 2009 at 10:19 am
Good job, Jerry. Hard to find something in July, 2 weeks before training camp.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:19 am
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July 20th, 2009 at 10:21 am
Mike Vick is free!
July 20th, 2009 at 10:24 am
Hide your dogs.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:26 am
It’s amazing that Russell is still alive with Fargas as his starting running back, Harris as his starting left tackle, and NO RECEIVERS. Has there ever been such a talentless offensive team?
July 20th, 2009 at 10:27 am
Just continue to improve Russell, and that will keep everyone quiet…at least for another year or so…
July 20th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Kiffin running the show helped. should have kept Moss.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:30 am
JR could have been a good Lamonica, hand off 2 plays then BOMB to Moss! Couldn’t have been worse than last yr. but they got to develop him into a NFL QB.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Dakota: Russell doesn’t have to worry about being replaced by a 39 year old Jeff Garcia. He has to worry about replaced by the 27 year old Danny Southwick.
What happens if Southwick outplays Russell in camp, because I fully expect that to happen.
Will it divide the locker room when Cable announces the starter ???
July 20th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Was reading earlier post sorry as a Raider fan you don’t get a 2nd team in fact this 2nd team stuff is total bs, I don’t have any 2nd teams I have rooted for the same teams forever its Raiders or nobody else!!!!!!!
July 20th, 2009 at 10:33 am
With a rookie QB and new coaches and systems every other month, Randy Moss would have been a disaster in Oakland the last two seasons. Moss had already quit on the team and there was no going back. He would have made the last two seasons even more miserable.
Trading FOR Moss in the first place was a mistake…only a team with a good, stable QB and coaching staff would have succeeded with Moss.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:33 am
Funny you say that NoMoreFargas, EVERY Bronco fan I’ve met has a backup team.lol
July 20th, 2009 at 10:35 am
[...] By Jerry Mac: What I think: Russell was mostly unimpressive during minicamps and OTAs, at least those attended by the media. One practice was so bad a veteran out-of-town NFL writer was horrified, calling it the worst practice hed ever seen by a quarterback taken No. 1 overall in the draft. Camp analysis: Quarterbacks – Inside The Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the highly cla… [...]
July 20th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Rich Eisen has a chance to give the Wally Pipp treatment to his former ESPN colleague. And we also think Eisen will take full advantage of his opportunity.
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LOL. it has been used outside of a Jerry Mac blog !!!
July 20th, 2009 at 10:35 am
Rockstar…yeah right, lol
July 20th, 2009 at 10:36 am
RR,
lol I tell her she owes me, but she knows I’m playing. She is worth it, to me she is very special.
As for arranged marriges. They do happen more in the suburbs than the main cities. Also more common with the older gensreation than the new one, and more common in areas like Saudi and the Arab Gulf than Jordan.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:37 am
Trading FOR Moss in the first place was a mistake
I agree with that but I’m vengeful enough to hang onto him & make HIM miserable these last 2 yrs. Wouldn’t have done the team any good tho.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:37 am
*generation.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:38 am
I love whenever little tom jackson thinks he could have helped the broncos win that SB with the skins ha ha. Shannarat better hope somebody wants him because he shown he can’t win big games if elway or young ain’t the qb.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:39 am
Kirk Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 10:26 am
It’s amazing that Russell is still alive with Fargas as his starting running back, Harris as his starting left tackle, and NO RECEIVERS. Has there ever been such a talentless offensive team?
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Exactly! No one talks about the POOR talent that Cable and Davis put around him. Or that the playcalling was limited. Call more pass plays and let him sink or swim. Even Russell has alluded to the fact that the Raiders don’t take enough strikes in the red zone.
The kid wants to play. Stop being so damn conservative and develop a legitimate offense (no 7 step drops please) with legitimate routes and pass protection schemes and put out some legitimate NFL TALENT.
Then we can evaluate JaMarcus Russell fairly.
Ashley Lelie, Ronald Curry, Javon Walker, Kwame Harris, Cornell Green, Justin Fargas and a FB name Luke Lawton….
Really!
July 20th, 2009 at 10:41 am
And the QB shouldn’t have to lobby the head coach to get DMAC more carries!
Ridiculous.
There should be a long list of names on the hot seat before J. Russell….the General Manager, The Coach, The Running Back, The Wide REceivers, the Doggone Left and Right Tackles…
July 20th, 2009 at 10:43 am
I had a dream a couple of nights ago that the Raiders started off 1-4 and Cable got fired. For crying out loud, I’m already having nightmares and the season hasn’t even started.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:43 am
Arranged marriges do still happen, but it’s an old habbit that is clashing with ideas of love and such things. It’s was more common before, but it wasn’t the only way to get married. lol
July 20th, 2009 at 10:44 am
If kiffin is such a genius how did he come up with that starting line up fargas,Lelie,harris who could be good with those guys. This will be jruss year dmac,bush,chaz anybody over harris what a piece of crap, y would let this space cadet block the blindside of you’re franchise qb kiffin wanted to fail and he wanted jruss to fail!
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 20th, 2009 at 10:44 am
I dreamed about snakes & donuts.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:44 am
Lions linebacker Darnell Bing finally must feel like he has a home — and a position he’s becoming more familiar with each day.
In the three seasons since Oakland drafted Bing in the fourth round in 2006, he has played one game while spending time with four teams. It has been a circuitous journey for Bing since a neck injury derailed his progress with the Raiders in ‘06.
Last year, Bing joined the Lions. He played mostly on the practice squad until he was signed to the active roster in December and finally saw his first NFL action in the season finale at Green Bay.
All this time, Bing has been trying to learn the ropes at linebacker. Bing, 6-feet-2 and 226 pounds, played safety at Southern Cal and switched to linebacker with the Raiders.
“I feel like I’m finally fully making the transition to linebacker,” he said. “Last year being here helped me a lot. … I could get the same amount of time as everybody else as far as the installation (of the defense) and stuff like that. Just the coaching staff and the players here as well, they’ve been helping me transition to the linebacker position a lot. I feel like it’s been going pretty good this year.”
Bing said shedding his defensive back instincts has been one of the biggest challenges, but he feels like he’s making progress.
“I still always have the safety mentality,” he said. “So I’ll back up before I come forward. I would always be late on my run reads. But I’ve been able to slow down the game a little bit, and I’m coming up on my runs a lot faster than I used to.”
BY CARLOS MONARREZ • July 20, 2009
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Blast from the past. This kid is still in the league?
July 20th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Dakota, I’m still waiting for the Dmac breakout. Is it this year?
July 20th, 2009 at 10:46 am
The trade for Moss was a great one. The bad choice was hiring Norv Turner to run the offense while relying on Kerry Collins and Lamont Jordan to lead your team. Letting Rice and Brown go like he did, put this team in the hole right away and we’ve never recovered. It could have been Moss, Rice, Brown, Porter and Curry.
The 2nd bad choice was hiring Art Shell to destroy it some more.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:46 am
NoMoreFargas,
Because Lane Kiffin should have never been the head coach. Only one person in the entire world would have considered him for an NFL job.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:47 am
TW, I actually felt bad for Moss his last season in Oakland. I know he wasn’t giving 100% effort, but only someone out of touch with reality (the Raiders GM and many Raiders’ fans, lol) would think he would do otherwise under such disasterous conditions…
…I thought Moss’ lost years in Oakland were a shame. It was bad of him to quit on us, but on the other hand, we should have known that our franchise was not in shape enough to handle a Randy Moss. Now had it happened when Gannon and Gruden had been here…that would have been another story…otherwise it was a huge waste of time and money to bring Moss here.
I can’t stand Moss, but we should have known better…
July 20th, 2009 at 10:48 am
“All this time, Bing has been trying to learn the ropes at linebacker. Bing, 6-feet-2 and 226 pounds, played safety at Southern Cal and switched to linebacker with the Raiders.”
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One of these days…the Raiders will draft a player for the natural position said player played in college.
Instead of all these tweener guys etc…just draft the best player at the position.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:48 am
I dreamed about snakes & donuts.
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you went to Krispy Kreme with Kenny Stabler?
July 20th, 2009 at 10:48 am
DMAC already had a breakout against the Chiefs in week 2 and then he got hurt. I think he could have at at least 1400 yards if it wasn’t for the injury.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:51 am
Dakota,
They should not have traded Randy Moss. Period. Let him pout and kick rocks.
When the alternative is Jerry Porter and Ronald Curry…that was a VERY POOR PERSONNEL DECISION.
And then to trade for a 4th rounder we drafted Arman ooops..John Bowie and wasted the pick AGAIN.
Al Davis has to step his game up!
July 20th, 2009 at 10:51 am
My predictions:
Gruden goes to Notre Dame
Shanny goes to Detroit (I would love that one)
Moss rips NE apart after they lose 2 in a row
Al names Madden GM after Madden gets sick of d!ckin around at home.
Hey, I can dream!!!
July 20th, 2009 at 10:52 am
24 Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 10:43 am
I had a dream a couple of nights ago that the Raiders started off 1-4 and Cable got fired. For crying out loud, I’m already having nightmares and the season hasn’t even started.
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That is funny! I had a Raiders’ dream last week too! In my dream, we were beating the Charges 6-0 late in the fourth quarter, we were driving the ball, Russell drops back to pass for some reason, fumble, returned for a TD, we lose 7-6 opening night…
…one of those dreams where you just know that even though it is going okay right now, something bad was about to happen and there is nothing you can do to prevent it, lol.
Dreaming about the Raiders…fuked up….
July 20th, 2009 at 10:52 am
ESPN Insider
With Michael Vick’s release from house arrest today, the rumors are flying as to his next stop — if and when his NFL suspension is lifted. To start things off, Vinnie Iyer of the Sporting News listed six teams that he considers “favorable destinations.”
Of the six, the San Francisco 49ers, Miami Dolphins and Seattle Seahawks have either stated outright that they weren’t interested or have insinuated as much by public comments. That leaves the Jacksonville Jaguars, Oakland Raiders and Washington Redskins in the hunt from Iyer’s list.
Appearing on Sportscenter this morning, Chris Mortensen raised the possibility of Vick playing this season in the UFL, then signing on as a free agent after the nascent league’s season finishes around Thanksgiving. The UFL has said it wants Vick.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:52 am
I hope Cable drops the girlish habit of sending messages to Russell through the media.
If there is a problem, say it to his face.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:52 am
But even when McFadden has been healthy in recent weeks, the Raiders have struggled to find ways to get their most explosive offensive player the ball. McFadden has taken the lack of work in stride, always smiling when asked about it and never complaining about his use.
“You really want the ball, but at the same time you know the coach is going to make his decisions and you’ve got to go with it,” McFadden said. “With me, it’s just like I go out there, work hard and run the ball when I’m called on. I’ve just got to do what I can.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=3784728
July 20th, 2009 at 10:53 am
McFadden has 100 carries for 451 yards and four touchdowns this season. He has also caught 22 passes for 234 yards, leaving him second on the team in yards from scrimmage.
But he has also gone long stretches without getting the ball. In one seven-quarter span beginning with the second half against Kansas City on Nov. 30, McFadden had just four touches.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=3784728
July 20th, 2009 at 10:53 am
That included the entire first quarter of last week’s 49-26 loss to New England, when McFadden was wearing a jacket on the sideline while the Raiders quickly fell behind 21 points.
“If we weren’t going three-and-out, he would have been involved,” interim coach Tom Cable said, not addressing whether using McFadden would have avoided any of those three-and-outs on the first three drives.
By the time McFadden did enter the game, he ended up with 114 yards from scrimmage, turning some short passes into long gains that took some pressure off quarterback JaMarcus Russell.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=3784728
July 20th, 2009 at 10:54 am
They should not have traded Randy Moss. Period. Let him pout and kick rocks.
When the alternative is Jerry Porter and Ronald Curry…that was a VERY POOR PERSONNEL DECISION.
And then to trade for a 4th rounder…
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Agreed.
I’d rather have Randy Moss than Napolean Harris & Troy Williamson!
July 20th, 2009 at 10:54 am
you went to Krispy Kreme with Kenny Stabler?
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But I woke up with a h@rd on, what does that mean? I don’t like Stabler THAT much. Or maybe it was bagels & hot dogs?
July 20th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Dakota – Yeah man…same old story. Except if I had your dream, we would be losing to the Chargers 42-7 in a Monday Night game because for some reason, we don’t want to just lose, we got to get destroyed in front of the world when on Monday Night. Thats why the NFL keeps putting us on Monday Night at the beginning of the season. They know we crumble under the pressure.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:55 am
SnB,
Stop posting that McFadden stuff…I might get pissed and have some coaches knocked off if Fargas touches the ball more than 5 times vs San Diego opening night….
July 20th, 2009 at 10:56 am
24,
The Quarterback shouldn’t be lobbying the head coach to get the best player on the team into the game!
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“Russell said he planned to lobby to get McFadden even more involved this week against the Texans, and Cable has seemed amenable to it.
“That’s on coach. He’s seen that,” Russell said. “A lot of people have probably been talking about it. When the ball is in No. 20’s hands, it is fun to watch. I’m pretty sure he might work on getting him some touches early in the game and go from there. Because once he got the ball in his hands last week you saw some turning points in the game.”
While McFadden has been UNABLE TO DISPLACE Justin Fargas as Oakland’s primary back, Slaton has benefited from injuries to take the job in Houston.
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/wire?section=nfl&id=3784728
July 20th, 2009 at 10:58 am
That was the stupidest comment by Cable to date, “If we weren’t going three-and-out, he would have been involved,” interim coach Tom Cable said.
I mean…DUH! Maybe we wouldn’t be going 3 and out if McFadden was in there? Oh no…lets keep trying Fargas out after 400 years.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:58 am
Jezuz cripes, between Lamar Odom’s situation and Cable’s love affair with Justin Fargas, I am getting an ulcer…
July 20th, 2009 at 10:59 am
San Diego game, what I want to see is Merriman get called for the offsides that seems to get him a head start every down, but that’s just dreamin’.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:00 am
NoMoreFargas Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 10:32 am
Was reading earlier post sorry as a Raider fan you don’t get a 2nd team in fact this 2nd team stuff is total bs, I don’t have any 2nd teams I have rooted for the same teams forever its Raiders or nobody else!!!!!!!
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That’s ok bro… I on the other hand am also a bay area sports fan. Die Hard Raiders! But, also a bay sports fan. Can’t hate on the 9ers. Never did understand the “rivalry”, they’re not even in our division. I think the 2 teams make it competitive naturally and I think both teams make the other better.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:00 am
I think the team knew the season was a wash and just wanted to ensure that McFadden was healthy enough for the next season because turf toe lingers and he ended up with it on both toes, so I don’t think McFadden was ever 100% after week 2 and thats why he wasn’t out there in my opinion.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:00 am
Dakota – You think Lamar Odom is that good?
July 20th, 2009 at 11:03 am
JaMarcus adds an exclamation point
Not to rekindle the JaMarcus Russell debate that raged here a couple weeks ago – well, OK, not just to rekindle that debate – but the kid QB turned in another impressive performance, this time on the road at Tampa Bay.
In his final three games, against the Patriots (No. 4 in the NFL against the pass), Texans (No. 17) and Buccaneers (No. 11), Russell completed a total of 49 passes in 77 attempts for 626 yards, with six touchdowns and two interceptions. His passer rating in those games: 104.1. He still wasn’t asked to carry the offense on his shoulders. And yes, a couple times he checked down to routes that weren’t long enough to pick up first downs on third-down plays. But Tom Cable continued his gradual opening-up of the offense, and Russell responded.
http://raiders.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=2308619
July 20th, 2009 at 11:03 am
Dakota – Funny…I’m sure Al Davis is already way ahead of you and looking at intern’s at college programs that he can hire as Head Coaches by mid-season.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:04 am
24,
I think that without Lamar Odom the Lakers’ chances of repeating dip dramatically…personally, Lamar makes me pull out my hair half the time he plays…I just want him back to help win another championship or two. If we had another alternative, then I wouldn’t mind seeing him leave…but after dumping all of our draft picks to save money to re-sign Odom and Ariza, losing them both and all of those young players would be a tremendous blow.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:05 am
And it wasn’t just the numbers. Russell moved away from pressure and delivered strikes while getting hit, something we hadn’t seen early this season.
“One of the things that was a real, real joy for me yesterday was to hear the offensive line on the sideline talk to me about his leadership in the huddle,” Cable said this morning. “When we got down by 10, the first thing he did back out in the huddle was say, ‘Hey, we got this. Everybody just chill out. We got it.’ And we got down and got the big PI (on Michael Bush’s pass to Todd Watkins) and, next play, boom, he throws a great ball to Johnnie (Lee Higgins) for the touchdown. And it’s off and running.”
Again, I’m not saying that Russell has arrived. I’m not insinuating this is proof he will have a long, glorious NFL career. But Raiders fans have a legitimate reason to be excited about watching this guy in 2009.
http://raiders.pressdemocrat.com/default.asp?item=2308619
July 20th, 2009 at 11:05 am
I woke up with a h@rd on, what does that mean? I don’t like Stabler THAT much. Or maybe it was bagels & hot dogs?
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I don’t remember my dreams. never have. weird, huh?
always wake up with a stiffy though, so they must be good!
July 20th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Shawn Merriman is a different man without steroids. Hes not even close to the same player, especially after shredding his knee. I honestly don’t see him being a factor unless he’s secretly on the juice again which I’m sure hes found a way to hide once again because that knee wouldn’t hold up without it.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:06 am
Dakota, do you get all the Raider games up there? Direct tv or do you have to listen to 5-6 of them on computer like me?
July 20th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Shawn Merriman is a different man with refs calling offsides too.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Dakota – What does Odom offer that someone else can’t duplicate?
July 20th, 2009 at 11:08 am
24 Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 11:00 am
I think the team knew the season was a wash and just wanted to ensure that McFadden was healthy enough for the next season because turf toe lingers and he ended up with it on both toes, so I don’t think McFadden was ever 100% after week 2 and thats why he wasn’t out there in my opinion
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I think that’s wishful thinking. Wasn’t Fargas hurt too. Yet he got all the carries.
My biggest concern going into 2009 is Coach Cable and his personnel decision making.
This isn’t Pop Warner where a coach tries to get all the kids in the game. Just play the best players.
Fargas is a leader and that’s great. But to have over 200+ carries and only have 1 TD and a sub-4yd per carry average is not going to win games
July 20th, 2009 at 11:08 am
I think Merriman will come back and prove to be starter worthy, but not be the same elite player he was prior to injury.
Tomlinson is done. write that down. He won’t break 1000 yards this season. barely did last year …
July 20th, 2009 at 11:08 am
I am sure Merriman got on HGH and will be just fine next season….just like the rest of the NFL players. You think roids were a problem in baseball…HGH in football probably makes baseball’s problem with roids look insignificant…can’t wait to see what a DE or LB will really look like once they nail down a realistic HGH test for the NFL.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:09 am
I just watched the Erin Andrews video, bad quality, but man she IS hot… thanks for crappy day a better one..
July 20th, 2009 at 11:11 am
“False Start” might be as good a title for the Raiders’ season as any other. Offensive tackle Kwame Harris added to his league-leading false-start total by committing two in the span of three snaps against the Dolphins on Sunday.
He was benched for the rest of the game in favor of second-year man Mario Henderson. Harris has piled up nine such penalties, while teammate Cornell Green is second in the league with six.
But Henderson played so poorly that coach Tom Cable said he is shelving his short-lived plan to rotate him with Harris. “At this point, I’ll play Kwame,” he said. “He’s the left tackle of the Oakland Raiders.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/article?f=/c/a/2008/11/18/SPRS1465N8.DTL#ixzz0LpBCxeLt
July 20th, 2009 at 11:12 am
Shortly after the game, Cable said he thought Henderson had played well in the second half. Upon further review, the verdict changed. Cable said he graded out “poorly.”
“Some things, once you get a chance to look at it on film weren’t what you thought they were,” he said. “Kwame will remain the starter. We’ve got to clean up the penalties with him, but he was playing quite well, other than those two false starts.”
The two penalties, however, came after the Raiders threatened to tie the score from the Miami 6-yard line late in the first half. Sandwiched around an option-pass play for Darren McFadden that resulted in a sack when intended receiver Luke Lawton couldn’t get open, the penalties helped thwart the touchdown bid. The Raiders had to settle for a field goal.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/article?f=/c/a/2008/11/18/SPRS1465N8.DTL#ixzz0LpBYvdPk
July 20th, 2009 at 11:12 am
I just watched the Erin Andrews video
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Did that peeper have a key hole shaped lens or what???!
July 20th, 2009 at 11:13 am
Harris has had a history not only of false starts but of giving up sacks, which explains why the 49ers let the 2003 first-round draft pick depart after last season.
“Kwame is a brilliant guy, a very intelligent guy,” Cable said. “I think he has a tendency to overanalyze rather than just relax and play.”
A lack of confidence is his problem, Cable said. “He’s just got to believe he’s a good football player because he is when he’s right.”
Henderson’s problem has been a lack of aggressiveness, a shortcoming that former coach Lane Kiffin pointed out publicly. Cable apparently feels the same way.
Henderson said the interim coach stressed “that I need to get aggressive and I need to play with a little more passion.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article/article?f=/c/a/2008/11/18/SPRS1465N8.DTL#ixzz0LpBhoRQD
July 20th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Will someone please tell Cable to play the best players!
July 20th, 2009 at 11:15 am
Are you kidding?
First of all, “someone else” will have to be a player signed at the NBA minimum. Second, that player will not have the experience in the triangle offense. Third, that player will not be 6′10″ or 11″ with mad rebounding skills, but the ability to dribble the ball up the court like a PG, initiate the offense, finish inside and hit the occasional 3, and play defense. Fourth, that player is unlikely to be able to backup the PF spot and the SF spot at the same time, and with the same success as Odom.
Trust me, with a poor replacement for Odom, there will be no back to back championship next season.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:18 am
I don’t think Tomlinson is done but hes not too far off. I give him 2 more years before hes not starting anymore. Sproles will break down to fast at his size.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:20 am
TW…last season I was able to watch about 4 or 5 games…had to listen to the rest on the internet and follow on sportsline.com.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:20 am
lunch time
July 20th, 2009 at 11:23 am
Dakota – I simply ask because I don’t know. I mean…why does Odom make you pull your hair out so much?
July 20th, 2009 at 11:23 am
24: I think Sproles is sort of like Michael Westbrook. a dual threat plus dangerous return man. This is no longer a run-first team. This is Philip Rivers’ team. Sproles will be used best as a receiving option out of the backfield and LT will get stuffed early and often. He’s the new Shaun Alexander. Trust me. He’s done
July 20th, 2009 at 11:25 am
You get the Denver local stations so you get to see them twice on donkey tv like me. Sux doesn’t it?
Growing up in Texas we got the Raiders EVERY sun 2nd game of the day. I think that had more to do with me being a Raider fan. Curt Gowdy every sunday.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:26 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 10:31 am
Dakota: Russell doesn’t have to worry about being replaced by a 39 year old Jeff Garcia. He has to worry about replaced by the 27 year old Danny Southwick.
What happens if Southwick outplays Russell in camp, because I fully expect that to happen.
Will it divide the locker room when Cable announces the starter ???
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What will happen?
> Garcia retires
> Russell gets in shape for a camp battle NEXT year
> The locker room stays unified due to honest coaches and the afterglow of four preseason blowout victories
> Whispers are overheard about Hackett as the next hot HC candidate
> A walrus wearing #2 debuts next to to `Rilla in the Black Hole
> A new fan section appear called the Black Tabernacle
> MR claims Ron Wolf found Southwick
> BlackholePriest proclaims Cable as best Raider coach since Rauch
> Davis agrees to go on Larry King where he offers to arm wrestle Lance for the $$$
> BSJ is interviewed on “Behind the Shield” to discuss his miraculous insight into the team’s untapped potential. Afterward, he accepts an invitation to clean Mr. Davis’ shoes.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:31 am
A scouting department under fire for its first two draft picks (receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey and safety Mike Mitchell) – cries unwarranted, because if that’s who Al Davis wanted, then that’s who the man should have selected – took another hit last week, when the Raiders waived sixth-round draft pick Stryker Sulak. Old news, but it doesn’t take the away the sting, or the surprise.
So cutting a sixth-rounder is not that big a deal? Sulak was not going to make a first-year impact at defensive end after three all-Big 12 Conference seasons at Missouri? Then why waste the pick? Two words: Tom Brady. The Canton-bound, three-time Super Bowl champ and 2007 MVP was a sixth-rounder, taken 199th overall.
Plus, the Raiders have found serviceable sixth-rounders since relocating from Los Angeles in 1995, players such as defensive back Calvin Branch, defensive tackle Grady Jackson, fullback Oren O’Neal and defensive end Trevor Scott.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:31 am
SOUTHWICK WILL BEAT OUT GARCIA MARK MY WORDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
July 20th, 2009 at 11:32 am
TW,
Sunday ticket is the only way to go. If you play fantasy football, having the ticket is even better. Makes every game exciting to watch1
July 20th, 2009 at 11:33 am
How is Tomlinson another Alexander? Tomlinson has done great 8 years consecutively since his rookie season. Alexander became great his 2nd year, was great 5 years consecutively before getting a huge contract and all but disappearing. Tomlinson still managed to get 1100 yards on the ground and 56 receptions last year. I wouldn’t say hes done just yet.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:38 am
As far as Sproles goes…he had 61 carries for 330 yards in his 3rd season. So what? That doesn’t mean he can carry the load as a starter. Hes only 5′6 185 lbs. Maurice Jones Drew is much bigger and stronger than him and can take the punishment in comparison. Sproles could be another Lamont Jordan for all we know. Is he a great compliment to LT? Sure but that 1 season doesn’t make him great suddenly.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:40 am
Actually…Sproles has been in the league 5 years.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Saturday morning at the local golf course a newcomer approaches a threesome on the first tee and asks if he can join them.
The new guy plays left-handed and plays well so they invite him to join them next Saturday at 8 am.
The man agrees but warns them that he might be late but no more than ten minutes.
The next Saturday he’s there promptly at 8 but plays right-handed.
After the round, one golfer asks him how he decides whether to play right-handed or left-handed.
He replies “When I wake up, if my wife is sleeping on her right side I play right-handed, if she’s sleeping on her left side then I play left-handed.”
A few minutes pass and the golfer asks “What if she’s sleeping on her back?”
“That’s when I’m ten minutes late.”
July 20th, 2009 at 11:43 am
Second-year player Mario Henderson walked around the locker room wearing a huge smile. For good reason, too.
He had just filled in for injured starting offensive left tackle Kwame Harris without anyone noticing.
Henderson didn’t commit any penalties, was part of a line that didn’t allow any sacks and paved the way for 300 yards rushing. He did so in his first NFL start in, perhaps, the loudest stadium in the league.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:43 am
24: Tomlinson averaged 3.8 yards per carry last year behind a pretty darn good O-Line
that reminds me of Fargas, Jordan, etc.
the Raiders will rush for more yards than the Chargers this season. write that down. LT is done
July 20th, 2009 at 11:45 am
From what I recall….The Charger lines was hurt and underachieved much of the season. That led to a worse running game than usual.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:46 am
I never said Sproles “carry the load as a starter” …
I said he’s more dangerous than LT at this stage in Tomlinson’s career
July 20th, 2009 at 11:46 am
Well the Raiders may rush for more yards than the Chargers and I hope they do obviously. All we can hope is that our defense can finally stop LT.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:48 am
The Charger lines was hurt and underachieved much of the season. That led to a worse running game than usual.
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injuries are a part of the game. and the fact that they “underachieved” is just an excuse. We had Harris & Green at tackle and still managed to be a Top 10 rushing team. you kidding me with that nonsense?
July 20th, 2009 at 11:49 am
bleacherreport.com
If there was a glaring weakness in the San Diego Chargers’ offensive unit last year, it was the offensive line.
The Chargers in 2008 went from one of the best rushing offenses to one that was mediocre. San Diego was ranked seventh in 2007 with 127.4 yards per game and dropped to 20th in 2008, with the production falling to 107.9 yards per game.
True, some of that was due to the departure of Michael Turner and the injuries sustained by LaDainian Tomlinson.
But most of the lack of production came from the offensive line’s lack of physicality. There was no push to move the pocket upfield. There were no holes opened. There were no lanes for LT and Darren Sproles to run through.
The offensive line was stuffed at the point of attack, and if a unit gets stopped at the point of attack, there is no marching forward.
Left tackle Marcus McNeill looked pedestrian after two Pro Bowl seasons. Right tackle Jeromey Clary was subpar, and it did not help that starting center Nick Hardwick spent time on the injured list.
So what did Chargers general manager A.J. Smith do?
He drafted guards Louis Vasquez out of Texas Tech and Auburn’s Tyronne Green. Both will probably compete to replace Mike Goff, who left for Kansas City.
But other than that, there were not real changes on this offensive line. Smith has gone with his usual mode of operation, building the team through the draft.
This is the same roster that many heralded as the most talented only a couple of years ago, and there hasn’t been that much change since then.
Smith is going to stick with his laurels and go with guys he knows have succeeded before.
Smith is hoping that the line, under the tutelage of Hal Hunter, will regain its physical form that made the Chargers one of the most productive offensive running teams in the league.
But if the offensive line fails again, then the Chargers won’t be so super charged.
It may not cost them a playoff spot or the AFC West crown, but a weak line—as evidenced in last year’s loss to Pittsburgh in the playoffs, where the much more physical Steelers dominated the game—may end San Diego’s playoff run short.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:50 am
How do you Russell dolts read things like this & not be horrified?
“Russell was mostly unimpressive during minicamps and OTAs, at least those attended by the media. One practice was so bad a veteran out-of-town NFL writer was horrified, calling it the worst practice he’d ever seen by a quarterback taken No. 1 overall in the draft”
July 20th, 2009 at 11:51 am
RR – Look…your only arguement is that LT is done. Fine. If you say so. I can only hope he is but I just don’t agree. The Chargers struggled and we can only hope they do so again. To me…The Chargers are a falling team under Norv Turner. Maybe this is the season we can take advantage of that?
July 20th, 2009 at 11:51 am
“I had the whole team behind me,” Henderson said. “That gave me a lot of confidence.”
Quarterback JaMarcus Russell said he gave Henderson a pep talk before the game.
“I just told him, ‘No matter what happens, I’m going to be all right. If I get hit or whatever, just keep on going to the next play,’ ” Russell said. (Sunday), I didn’t get touched at all, probably twice I got hit on the ground, no sacks. I told him he did a great job.”
July 20th, 2009 at 11:51 am
Kool-aid drinker or not, name your 5 favorite players still wearing silver & black.
1. Nnamdi Asomugha – drafted and developed in house with great character and work ethic.
2. Thomas Howard – Just a class act and a fan first.
3. Darren McFadden – been a long time since we had a threat like this. Also has great character and think he’ll become more of a leader this year.
4. Zach Miller – ’nuff said, Probowl baby!
5. Chaz Schilens – Semi-local out of San Diego. Love the fire this kid has.
I’ll drink kool-aid with any of these guys!
July 20th, 2009 at 11:52 am
QB-Give Russell a chance you dont grow without ever giving things a chance to grow. JRuss makes throws others dream of but he has to be smarter about when and how to use this ability. He needs to be really throw to the wolves like the kid in 300 and hope we have a Spartan. Garcia is for motor-vation, as he will be pushing JRuss motor.
RB- Were simply blessed in this area, Fargas is a DOGG..I know others think different but we dont have anybody who runs harder than him, DMC should be the STARTER he is multi-demensional and I wush he could have kept his toe healthy also DMC had 105 less carries than Fargas but reached the end zone 4 to Fargas 1 BUSH- workhorse in the making. If DMC goes down we should do Bush almost exclusively.
FB-NEAL…I pity the fool who dont respect what this cat is bringing to our team. Good Blockers lose that skill slowly. Were going to need good blocking with the line that we have.
OL- Gallery finally is worth something. The dude is a monster at Guard and should see some pro bowl action. Were going to miss Jake Grove, The bookends have to be decent enough for JRuss to get off a pass without being rushed often. The line is really where our Offense can become something special with the Talent mentioned above.
TE- Zach Miller is our man at the TE spot I look for him to be in the pro bowl with a good year.
WR-Bey #1 overall…Lets just hope he turns out to be like #21 the best cornerback in pro football where everyone scoffed at AL for picking him in the 1st round. I dont live far from College Park MD. So Ive seen up close the kid can run and outrun folks as he did FSU. He is a football player unlike James Jett(who did have a 12TD season)or Renaldo Neiamiah that SF had back in the day. He could be your Willie Gault. But will it translate TBC!!!!I like Schilens…love a guy that will cross the middle leap up and make a tough grab. Murphy is a player that can have impact, JHL for his measly 22 grabs he did get 4 TD’s out of it. Thats a high ratio. Every 5 grabs thats a score..Hope he can build on that and Pray Javon Walker is servicable anything extra is icing. We need major improvement from this area…We need a Tim Brown Bad!!!! Mostly the playcalling cannot be predictable as in years past. Play the cats that are the best. We have a tough season ahead….We need to stop back to back losses, we need to get out the gate 2-1 against the West or the season will be over in week 7. Im tired of the season being over early.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:52 am
There are people who are terrible in practice but play great on gamedays. Thats the only thing that matters so we’ll have to wait and see if hes truly prepared when he actually plays a meaningful game.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:53 am
RR – What is your feeling on Derrick Burgess? Should we keep him or trade him?
July 20th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Mistabrown Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 11:50 am
How do you Russell dolts read things like this & not be horrified?
“Russell was mostly unimpressive during minicamps and OTAs, at least those attended by the media. One practice was so bad a veteran out-of-town NFL writer was horrified, calling it the worst practice he’d ever seen by a quarterback taken No. 1 overall in the draft”
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Because his performance in the last 6 weeks of the regular season trumps one two-hour practice.
Because the Raiders have new receivers and new coaches.
Because we are talk’n abut PRACTICE! Not even training camp….Just PRACTICE!
July 20th, 2009 at 11:56 am
@ Mista Brown..
“How do you Russell dolts read things like this & not be horrified?”
Because seeing is believing, we saw evidence of the last 2 games that he could start and win. Now those were OTA’s and on a certain day that is being heavily scrutinized by Jerry and some others but heck OTA’s dont mean crap…wait til training camp or even preseason to judge the dude. Dont be so hard on the dude now that You may be back later to jock his strap cause he is doing great.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:57 am
The Chargers are a falling team under Norv Turner.
Tomlinson still managed to get 1100 yards on the ground and 56 receptions last year
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LT played in 16 games last year.
Lamont Jordan rushed for 1025 yards and had 70 receptions in 2005 under Norv Turner in only 14 games.
So is Lamont Jordan a better player than Tomlinson?
You seem impressed with those totals …
July 20th, 2009 at 11:59 am
AZ Raider,
I don’t think Kool-Aid is necessary for getting behind this year’s team. The biggest issue will be Cable getting the right players on the field and exploiting the talent…especially on offense.
As for the defense…the coaches have all the players they want. If a coaching staff believes they have all the talent they need and the players are excited…there is no reason that this defense can’t be a top 10 defense. (Top 5 vs. Pass) (Top 15 vs. Run)
July 20th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
SnB,
Do you think Peyton Manning, Steve Young, Montana, Aikman, Elway, etc etc. Great QB’s had practices like that? I doubt it. I dont think their work ethic was ever questioned either.
Ok, he had 2 good games at the end of the season when nothing was on the line so now he can FK off @ practice & its all good. What happened to Commitment to
Excellence? What a joke!
# SnB Defense Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 11:54 am
Because his performance in the last 6 weeks of the regular season trumps one two-hour practice.
Because the Raiders have new receivers and new coaches.
Because we are talk’n abut PRACTICE! Not even training camp….Just PRACTICE!
July 20th, 2009 at 12:01 pm
RR – You’re hilarious. You’re comparing a Hall of Fame RB to a 1 hit wonder. Let it go dude.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Football season is here!!!!!!!!!
What’s up with the Southwick talk????????????
July 20th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
KoolKell – He’s supposedly talented enough to make the squad.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Dhitz,
I will praise him if he steps up & I will piss on him if he fails. Thats my right as a fan. Im pulling for the guy but what I’m seeing is not what I would like going into his 3rd year. He’s had 2 good games in his career thats pretty sad if you look at it objectively.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Mistabrown,
All those QBs had their own struggles when they got started.
Those QBs also had the same receivers for most of their seasons. Raiders had a differnt WR lineup just about every week of the season. No one had a worst left tackle.
All I am saying is save the evaluation until he has a competent team around him. And yes, the last 2 gms are worth FAR MORE than an OTA in June.
Telling me that Tampa and Houston just threw the games.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
24 Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
KoolKell – He’s supposedly talented enough to make the squad.
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I hear he’s better than Russell?
July 20th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
What is your feeling on Derrick Burgess? Should we keep him or trade him?
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he’s a dominant pass rusher (when healthy), but he’s a liability vs the run. he’s in the last year of his contract. he’s disgruntled and injury prone. I like what i’ve seen from Trevor Scott in limited playing time last year and the fact that he bulked up in the offseason to be more stout vs the run. Seeing as how we added both Greg Ellis & Matt Shaughnessy in the offseason I’d rather get something in return for Burgess now than let him go next year for nothing. Question is: how much trade value (if any) does he have ??? His numbers have declined every year since he arrived. no guarantee that trend won’t continue …
July 20th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Troy Aikman started 1-15 and he didn’t play during the 1 game they won. Marino was breaking records and never won a Superbowl. The Buccaneers trade Steve Young to the Niners because they weren’t impressed. Elway lost 3 Superbowls before finally winning 2 in a row.
Jamarcus Russell will have his own story. Its a wait and see game.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
KoolKell – I hear everybody’s better than Russell, especially that Quinn guy haha.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
RR
1st – I think we need to take advantage of his contract year because I think a possible 12 sacks this season is worth more than some 4th rounder we’ll probably cut before training camp anyways or a John Bowie we’ll never know about.
2nd – He doesn’t cost us that much money so lets use him up.
3rd – You’re right. Hes a dominant pass rusher when healthy. If we limit his touches, having him opposite of Ellis can be a force and really help our secondary on passing downs. Trevor Scott is still developing and you can never have enough pass rushers.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:13 pm
Lady Quinn shouldn’t start over Derek Anderson.
DA is a good QB. If the plan was to have Quinn start in Year 3, they should have traded Anderson in the offseason. QB competitions aren’t always fruitful. See Edwards/Losman in Buffalo and Orton/Grossman in Chicago for examples …
July 20th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
Thats all nice but I was talking about work ethic not team records.
24 Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Troy Aikman started 1-15 and he didn’t play during the 1 game they won. Marino was breaking records and never won a Superbowl. The Buccaneers trade Steve Young to the Niners because they weren’t impressed. Elway lost 3 Superbowls before finally winning 2 in a row.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Mistabrown – Its just too early to jump the gun.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
Work ethic and all that stuff is subjective. Ultimately, Russell will be judged by the performance on the field.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
Mistabrown – Should Ken Stabler be in the Hall of Fame?
July 20th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
#118
This is year 3 of a horrible career to this point. Your argument would be good if this was year 1 or 2.
Commitment to Excellence is gone for good. Fans have lowered expectations. Players like Fargas get praise. Russell has been mediocre. Now 2 good games in a 3 year career give you the room to play like a girl in practice.
Just win baby!
July 20th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
SnB,
It’s all about Russell continuing to improve and our WR’s helping Zach carry the load.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
No Stabler should not. I would put Plunkett, Guy, Branch in before the Snake.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:21 pm
@Mista Brown
” He’s had 2 good games in his career thats pretty sad if you look at it objectively”
I’m looking at it very objectivley. Lets see. Contract hold up makes him miss all of Mini Camp, all the OTA’s and Training Camp as well only being signed a few weeks into the season. Last year was the first look at him. And Kiffin was being smart with him but didnt let him do what he is capable of. He show his capabilities last year. Last 6 games he was a gamer. Last two games seemed like he was figuring things out. Lets just see. He has Paul Hackett and others to help bring him along. I’m pushing for him now and will call a bust when i see a bust. The Red Head weed smokin kid we drafted back in the day was a Day one Bust…Lets give Jruss some support and a chance. He is a Raider!!!!
July 20th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
My point on Russell is this. He needs to pull his head out of his a$$. He is acting like a guy that has won a SB & been in Pro Bowls. He needs to assume LEADERSHIP of this team. Thus far in my opinion he has not! I said it before i’ll say it again. By week 8 we will know which way this guy is going. Im not about to give him 4 years, if you want to do that thats your business…no FKN way!
July 20th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Mistabrown Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Dhitz,
I will praise him if he steps up & I will piss on him if he fails. Thats my right as a fan. Im pulling for the guy but what I’m seeing is not what I would like going into his 3rd year. He’s had 2 good games in his career thats pretty sad if you look at it objectively.
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Who did he have to throw the ball to for 75% of the season? Who was our LT for 75% of the season? How many play callers in 3 years? How many games has he started?
July 20th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Derek Anderson and SOuthwick may be the best two QB’s in the leauge!!!!
July 20th, 2009 at 12:24 pm
…..all things you’ve heard, but all legit arguments in his favor..
July 20th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
After going over JR’s games. I found 9 out 19 games were good. Thats not too bad for only playing 19 games which is barely over 1 season.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Brady Quinn said all the right, competitive things, walked around with his shirt-off, and a VCR player, lol,……
July 20th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
Mistabrown Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
My point on Russell is this. He needs to pull his head out of his a$$. He is acting like a guy that has won a SB & been in Pro Bowls. He needs to assume LEADERSHIP of this team. Thus far in my opinion he has not! I said it before i’ll say it again. By week 8 we will know which way this guy is going. Im not about to give him 4 years, if you want to do that thats your business…no FKN way!
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Semi-agree…. Mostly
July 20th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Awwwwwwwwww, cry me a river AZ! He is a no 1 pic! If you want to hold his hand & give him lollypops go 4 it. What the FK are you some girl scout coordinator ?
# AZ Raider Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Who did he have to throw the ball to for 75% of the season? Who was our LT for 75% of the season? How many play callers in 3 years? How many games has he started?
July 20th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Thus far in my opinion he has not! I said it before i’ll say it again. By week 8 we will know which way this guy is going. Im not about to give him 4 years, if you want to do that thats your business…no FKN way!
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Good point I geuss…What is the time frame for that any ways….when was Farve traded…And Young was it real early cant remember??? but just like the Donks will regret trading gutlless, I mean Gutler, I mean Cutler we would regret trading the Foundation…IMHO
July 20th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
@ Mista Brown,,,
I dont agree about Jruss and his actions. One thing is he dont say much and you dont quite know whats going on but how can you say he is ACTING like he been to SB or Pro Bowls. What he does need to assume is leadership of the team. He is most deff a laid back type of dude, but some laid back cats produce on game days. He can stay laid back as long as he improves and we start winning. Then I can start to agree with your statements on him but Its way early and its not like we have a horrible QB…we need a guy to grow into his position at this point.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Hey KoolKell, how do like Barback 0bama HC ? Hope you dont need a hip replacement or heart transplant you might die waiting in line.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Brady Quinn got punched by a DL in the workout room last year, didn’t he?
Russell better watch his back. Sands already has a track record of punching teammates!
July 20th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Nevermind. Russell wouldn’t be in the workout room during the offseason … what was I thinking ???
July 20th, 2009 at 12:33 pm
I say we trade Jamarcus Russell for Peyton Manning. We can sell the fact that Manning is out of his prime and Russell is the younger version with a stronger arm. Their contracts should be similiar. Then we can sign Marvin Harrison and watch this team explode.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
RR – Haha. Very true but I guarentee Terdell Sands would find JR at McDonalds or the Donut shop.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Too bad Al couldn’t get Jamarcus Gannon as QB. You know Rich from the neck up (only the non-broken part) and Jamarcus from the neck down. Maybe Al could pay Rich to school JR. Yeah sure… and maybe we could call John Madden “Coach” again and not grandpa. Controversy breeds interest so I’m sure our Raiders will be interesting for a long time.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Mistabrown Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Awwwwwwwwww, cry me a river AZ! He is a no 1 pic! If you want to hold his hand & give him lollypops go 4 it. What the FK are you some girl scout coordinator ?
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Ok MB, hate baby hate, I don’t care. IMO, he had alot of crap agaist him. hE WAS A #1 pick, so what? There are plenty of great QB’s out there that struggled early in there careers, but I don’t remember 1 that had such a poor supporting cast.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Mistabrown,
We should keep getting washed up vets right? LOL…
July 20th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
OAKlifer Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
Derek Anderson and SOuthwick may be the best two QB’s in the leauge!!!!
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Now that Jeff Otis has retired…
In all seriousness, we can’t enshrine Southwick in the HOF without even seeing him in an NFL game. Let’s wait until late August at least.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Manning would struggle with last years starting offense LOL… Lelie, injured Walker, Curry…. think Russell might have done better, Peyton would be crying, he’s so used to winning!
July 20th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Who is this Southwick cat? Must be family to call him one of the best in the league…Thats some serious kool aid spiked with some shine.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
http://www.nunesmagician.com/2007/07/where-all-aging-nfl-careers-go-to.html
July 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
dhitz71 Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Who is this Southwick cat? Must be family to call him one of the best in the league…Thats some serious kool aid spiked with some shine.
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Dont even go there….
July 20th, 2009 at 12:42 pm
We should try and get Alex Smith to compete with our great Southwick. I mean…WOW. Imagine that battle. Haha.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Mistabrown,
Russell’s 1st year was a total wash. He missed training camp and was behind the whole year. During that season all the reps were going to McCown and Culpepper. Had he made camp, he probably would have been the backup QB. That means getting more reps and time with the coaching staff.
That 1st year was hurtful because of the missed reps. A full season of practice…and he didn’t get to participate.
Contract/business issues are part of the game.
Plus the kid came out of college as a Junior.
This year he should show good progress….provided Cable doesn’t play the “do-right” guys and plays the best players.
Hell, this will be the 1st year, barring injury, that he has a consistent roster around him…never mind coaching.
Also would add that hopefully he develops some chemistry with the receivers like he did with Drew Carter. That helps
July 20th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
AZ I agree. Manning has the supporting cast, the same system for EONS, and some of the same players for EONS, Russell has had the exact opposite. Manning cannot move and in our offense the way our bookends block…Helz no his azz would be on the run dialy and done in 3 games. At least Jruss can take a hit.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Btw – Someone said in the last post that the NFL hates the Raiders. Thats not true. The NFL hates Al Davis and the Raiders suffer for it. We’ll have to wait and see another 100 years before we find out whether the “hate” continues once Al Davis passes but he just might outlive us all.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
If anything…at least JR has performed better than McCown, Culpepper and Walter. Thats something isn’t it? Haha.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:48 pm
24,
Odom makes me pull out my hair on occasion because he sometimes gets lost playing perimeter defense and he sometimes makes hair-brained moves on offense (ie shoots too early in the shot clock at the end of games and sometimes throws lazy passes, and sometimes disappears for large chunks of time (like the entire 2008 finals))…but that doesn’t change the fact that the Lakers are a weaker team without him…know what I mean?
July 20th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
You can Hate on AL DAVIS all you want be here are a few facts.
What Owner is walking around with 3 SB Rings…What owner has appeared in 5 bowls with a 60% winning rate? What owner has a winning streak over 85% of the NFL? What owner oversaw from 1963-2002 only 7 losing seasons? I will personally add in that he would be walking around with his 4 Bowl if not for the Tuck bowl. That was the Raiders best team out of that run. It all sucks now and were griping hard because we are not USED to this. I think AL is working harder to get things right. Cable seems to be the front office guy we need for these players and he looks like a player. We gotta get out of the gate or where looking at a NFL record 7th consecutive season with 11 losses.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
SnB,
The so-called “chemistry” with Drew Carter was in practice. Drew got hurt in week 1 if I remember right. And as you just told me “practice” dont count for anything so what chemistry are you talking about? Practice chemistry? HaHa
Russell had a “consistent roster” every year. What are you saying? They start with 53 guys. FA turns a roster over every year….so again whats your point? He has to work with what he has year in year out just like every other NFL Qb.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
If I were AL my balls would be big too after all those accomplishments.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Snb,
hardly anyone remembers the chemistry between Carter and russell (good call) till he blew his knee out. Hell, Dude didn’t even know who Drew Carter was LOL. Then again, i don’t think dude comes here because he’s a Raider fan…
July 20th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
We should try and get Alex Smith to compete with our great Southwick. I mean…WOW. Imagine that battle. Haha.
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who in their right mind would trade JaMarcus Russell for Alex Smith ?!?!?
Southwick will face Smith when we practice against SF and also when we play them in the preseason
He’ll pump fake to Zach Miller and draw Patrick Willis in and throw a screen pass to McFadden. 80 yards to the hizouse !!!
July 20th, 2009 at 12:57 pm
SnB,
So practice “chemistry” is ok if it fits your argument. But if Russell plays like a girl in practice and thats bad Leadership for his young WR’s and offense unit as a whole…its ok because its just “practice” and he had 2 good games at the end of 2008 so no biggie.
Gotcha!
July 20th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
MB,
Drew got hurt last game of the preseason, but it’s a waste of energy debating with guys who already have their minds made up about a player.
July 20th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
Drew Carter was our best WR in camp last year with Kiffin. Curry & Lelie were starters on Week 1.
Isn’t it funny that we had the least productive WR corps in the league and none of these players were retained?
July 20th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
AZ, #165
I see “practice chemistry” works for you as well.
Keep lowering expectations and pretty soon Fargas’s 1 TD per year will be the standard for NFL RB’s.
Lucky for Russell he has fans like you guys holding his hand & filling his bottle with kool-aid!
July 20th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Peyton Manning has had the same OC ever since he entered the league AND Marvin Harrison!
I wonder what he’ll do without them?
the same thing Marvin Lewis & Mike Nolan did without Ray Lewis?
July 20th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
MB you gotta learn football if you think just because the roster has 53 men thats all it takes for a consistent roster. JRuss needs cats he can grow with…Like Manning and Harrison,Clark and Wayne..Like Aikman and Irvin, Like Elway and Sharpe, Like Marino had his Wide outs…Like Jim Kelly had his wide outs, Like Big Ben keeping good wideouts, Like Eli having a good set of WR the list goes on but the Raiders have not had a good set of WR consistency since Browned Rice was walking the sidelines. Porter was a player who never got better and was a head case. (He is a idiot in the DC area so our bad on that) Curry was nice but we should have gotten more players with his kind of heart. Curry should have been used in a wild cat situation to take advantage of his throwing ability. WE still dont have that set of wideouts unless someone emerges…Schilens should have a coming out and so should JLH…
July 20th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
AZ,
Like I already told my mind isnt made up I think by week 8 I’ll make up my mind. All Im sayin this guys LEADERSHIP sucks his work ethic is in question and this is not what you want to see from your Franchise Qb.
What do you think the other guys are thinking when this clown comes out in practice and looks like a girl scout throwing the football? Is that a good scenario from your point of you? Is that Leadership from a no 1 pick wearing bling & fur coats?
Sheesh!
July 20th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Mistabrown,
If u can’t see the difference between practice in training camp which is several weeks and includes simulated games in pads etc….and some voluntary OTA practice in shorts…then I really can’t answer any of your questions
July 20th, 2009 at 1:08 pm
WE still dont have that set of wideouts unless someone emerges…Schilens should have a coming out and so should JLH…
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We drafted Darrius Heyward-Bey and Louis Murphy. Javon Walker & Zach Miller are also holdovers from last year. McFadden & Bush will be used more in the receiving game as well. Russell has the personnel. Now we need to find out if he has the tools! Tollner & Hackett are both experienced QB coaches and OC’s. If they can’t help Russell become a better player, nobody can. It’s his choice if he wants to put the work in and become a dominant QB or a doormat QB in this league.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
DHITZ, this is football people get injured ! Carter blew his kneee out. Walker got injured what do you want to do about it ? Part of the game! Every team losers players to injury. Theres no guarantee this year all our players make it through Training Camp & Pre-Season! then what? Give Russell another year pass?
I need to learn Football? No roster is consistent you bonehead!
Dhitz is the perfect name for you by the way..
July 20th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Dhitz, I don’t care if AD has 10 Super Bowl rings, he’s tanked 6 straight years and that’s unacceptable by anyone’s standards, ESPECIALLY Al’s his self. Imagine if Al had a GM that turned in those results over 6 years. Davis canned Flores 4 years after he won a Super Bowl, and traded Jon Gruden after back to back division titles. Al Davis is the only constant over the 6 years that we’ve sucked. That means there’s nobody more to blame than him. If you’ve got a name, I’m all ears. This ought to be good.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
Im aware, whats your point ?
# SnB Defense Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
Mistabrown,
If u can’t see the difference between practice in training camp which is several weeks and includes simulated games in pads etc….and some voluntary OTA practice in shorts…then I really can’t answer any of your questions
July 20th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
SnB,
If you are satisfied with Russells
-leadership
-work ethic
-body of work after 3 years in the NFL
-lack of accuracy
-presence in the pocket
Then you have your man! Thats your dream come true franchise QB. Some of us expect more, ok?
The end.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Dakota – I do. I’m just surprised there isn’t anybody better on the free agent market that they can pick up instead.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
RR – The Alex Smith thing was a joke. I hope you know that haha.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
I’d be surprised if Alex Smith beats out Damon Huard, much less Shaun Hill!
SF should make a serious play for Michael Vick.
Singletary wants to play smashmouth, run-first, dominant defense football
July 20th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Regarding Tim Hasslebeck’s report:
As usual. Someone reports something wrong in Oakland, kool aid drinkers rush to discredit the source, the source turns out to be right. So far, this off season’s shaping up like the last 6.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:29 pm
I see were your disapointment comes from Mistabrown, I wanted to see more out of him too, but I still think the level of play around him was so terrible, it wouldn’t have mattered who was under center, the results would have been similar. If there is improvement this year, cool, if not I’ll start questioning if he can be our guy. I liked what I saw twards the end of the year from him, and hope he can continue in that direction.
As for fargas…. Love him as a Raider, but have been screaming for years he’s not a #1 RB. Zero big play ability… Great back-up RB and good locker room guy from what I hear. Bush and Mcfadden would be my 1-2 punch and Fargas/Rankin as reserves.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
the Panthers & Jaguars would be good spots for Vick to land. Gets to stay on the East coast and back up the unimpressive Delhomme & Garrard … both are run-first teams that are solid on defense
July 20th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
hey there MR. how ya doing today? have a nice weekend?
July 20th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Real Madden Raider…that was being said from AL DAVIS’s point of view. Hell I’ve hated the last 6 years…Watched each and every game of those 6 years and have seen the oh so horrid football being played. Like Mr. 21 says….Al wants to win and I think the man will actually live to see another winning season. I for one have called for his firing but Im also loyal to a football legend and just wont throw him out because of 6 bad before giving 31 or so good years. You just cant say phuck history. Or we wouldnt have the history we hold so dear.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Shaun Hill is 7-2 as the 49ers starter. I think they should give him the job and let him run with it. Their infatuation with Alex Smith has gotten them nowhere and they need to go with the guy who knows how to win. He isn’t the talent everyone will love and reminds me of the Rich Gannon type. Always overlooked yet always over performs.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
24,
The Lakers lack the cap room to sign a quality replacement for Odom, even if there was a FA left on the board that would come close to replacing him (which there isn’t). The only way the Lakers get any sort of like-kind exchange is if they do a sign and trade with Odom…which is very unlikely.
Maybe trade Odom to Buffalo for T.O.? He can ball, lol.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
Mistabrown Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
SnB,
If you are satisfied with Russells
-leadership
-work ethic
-body of work after 3 years in the NFL
-lack of accuracy
-presence in the pocket
Then you have your man! Thats your dream come true franchise QB. Some of us expect more, ok?
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Leadership: Yes, I am fine with it. He’s displayed leadership on the field and demonstrated he’s engaged. He lobbied with Cable about DMAC; he boosted up Henderson; he calmed his team down against Tampa; called a voluntary passing camp; he doesn’t sell-out to the media or visibly complain; he lives in Oakland during the offseason
Work-ethic: Subjective. I don’t know what goes on behind the scenes. But he’s a young QB who is learning. He hasn’t had a coach or owner with work ethic until this year. Let’s see what happens…plus he’s working with the receivers on his own
Body of work: His 1st yr was a non-event because he missed camp…his 2nd yr had some 8 gms with a QB rating over 85…he is now entering his 3rd yr…
Lack of accuracy: 1st yr as a starter for a QB who came out early…with a bad O-Line and sketchy receivers…the kid is learning…also..played well down the stretch and doesn’t throw interceptions
Prescence in the pocket: Comes with experience and a better O-Line….
I am happy Russell is the QB. I am delighted that the Raiders elected to develop a signal caller instead of the old tired, worn out and failed strategy of picking up old veterans that were cut fro their prior teams.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
AZ,
Here are my fav:
1- Nnamdi
2- Miller
3- JR
4- Chaz
5- TH
5- Kirk
5- DMC
5- Bush
5- T Scott
5- JLH
lol
July 20th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
History can get you in trouble if you don’t learn from it. The problem is that everyone in this world would get fired for what Al Davis has accomplished over the last 6 years. Thats not a knock on Al Davis, thats just reality. Everyone’s great run comes to an end…thats why we have something called retirement. Maybe he turns it around, maybe he doesn’t but Al Davis has been making some bad decisions since winning his last Superbowl in 1983…26 years ago.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I am delighted that the Raiders elected to develop a signal caller instead of the old tired, worn out and failed strategy of picking up old veterans that were cut fro their prior teams
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me too. Danny Southwick is gonna be the man!
July 20th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
O, I like it…
Even with a roster as thin as our is, it’s still hard to just pick 5! I guess thats a good thing.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
With that being said…I don’t really care anymore whether Al Davis is leading the team anymore. To be honest, my love for the game of football has diminished greatly because its been a heartbreak to watch that its not satisfying anymore. I’ll just take it easy and watch the games without expectations until something great happens but I’m not holding my breath.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
Dakota – Well T.O. would have a better chance at winning a Championship with the Lakers haha.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:47 pm
AZ,
We have a few players that are good enough to make the PB, but our team played like crap.
Nnamdi
Lechler
Gallery
Miller
TH
JLH as a punt returner ( he took 3 to the house last season)
That’s 5 players I like, and can make the PB
July 20th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
24: Al Davis was 54 years old in 1983.
big difference between 54 and 80 when your the Owner/GM imo
AD is too prideful to ask for help and his son is a pansy
Hopefully Cable is capable. We already know trust won’t be a factor in this Owner/HC relationship
July 20th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
*6, sorry but I added JLH after I wore the entire post.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:49 pm
RR – Cable might be capable but Gruden was too and he got traded. Maybe Cable gets traded once he becomes good too? Al Davis would sell his soul for draft picks and money.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
When we win 8/9 games this season, the 1st five will make the PB, and a big maybe on JLH.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:50 pm
Top 5 -
Danny Southwick
Luke Lawton
Greyson Gunheim
Ricky Brown
Michael Huff
July 20th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
24…You have to have optimism…Its always great to say I rooted and expected more even in the bad days when they finally get good you can say I knew they would get better. Last year I called for 8-8 and we fell short but some games we could have one we let go. Those types of games dont fall on AL they fallon the players. Can folks honestly say its all AL’s fault. Is he doing the false starts? He fumbles, The non tackling, the OLAY defense on our front line. These things as well persisted for the last 6 years. And before those 6 years wasnt nobody calling for AL to be dumped with back to back division titles and a playoff and superbowl run. I’m a Raiders lifer from the DC (pigstown) but AL is different that any owner in sports.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:52 pm
RR,
LMAO
July 20th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Dhitz71 – Haha. I had optimism every year until this year. I’m holding back.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:53 pm
Dhitz, sorry, I just dont’ see where Al prioritizes winning. I think he wants to have his signature on the winning, and that’s what he’s trying to do. It’s ego driven. What he’s doing is not for the betterment of the Oakland Raiders, it’s for the betterment of himself. He wants Al Davis to win, not the Raiders to win. Considering his track record in the past 6 years, if Al Davis truly wanted to win, he’d retire immediately. He’s the worst GM in the game today. So, I just don’t buy this nonsense that Al Davis wants to win. I think when it comes to merely winning in and of itself, Al Davis probably wants to win the least out of all of the owners. The entire NFL is doing everything they can to innovate and/or keep up with the jonses of the modern day NFL. They truly do want to win, they just don’t know how. So they’re trying everything. Al Davis knows how to win, he just doesn’t want to sacrifice his object of possession over to someone more skilled to win today than he is. Al doesn’t want to win. He just wants to look good. It’ll be a good day in Oakland when he’s out of football operations.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:54 pm
RR – Huff is the man! I bet you he’ll start.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Honestly…who fukin trades their winning Head Coach for draft picks and money? Really?
July 20th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
Southwick was mentioned here so many times that Jerry had to tell us there is no way he’ll make the team!
LMAO
July 20th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
24, man that was a great package we got for Gruden…too bad Al turned that gold into lead. What a waste.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
dhitz, I have optimism…that the Raiders will be fine when Al Davis is out. I’ve said it before and I’ll continue to say it.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Dakota – Yeah that Moss trade was gold too.
July 20th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Cable might be capable but Gruden was too and he got traded. Maybe Cable gets traded once he becomes good too? Al Davis would sell his soul for draft picks and money.
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Gruden was rumored to want to job at Notre Dame and he was making fun of the boss in team meetings. I heard they talked about a contract extension and couldn’t agree on a new deal. Davis didn’t want to fire him with pay, so he traded him to a competitive football team. they still had mutual respect for eachother. AD has always been cheap when it comes to assembling a staff
July 20th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
24,
I understand what you are saying, but it makes sense when your coach wants to and can leave next season. Why not get something for him? You can’t franchise him. lol
Also BC did a great job with that team, because they were vets and ready to win, and the roster had talent, but they list due to bad coaching in the SB and bad luck:
Robbins
Play against gruden
July 20th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
They lost…
July 20th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Southwick was mentioned here so many times that Jerry had to tell us there is no way he’ll make the team!
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Jerry Mac hasn’t seen Danny Southwick play. He just figures since the kid is Larry King’s step-son that he’s on scholarship. This is not the case. The kid is a player and a proven winner
July 20th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
Al will never learn that, these days, coaching counts almost as much as talent…tsk tsk. With talent and schit coaches (like Cable) you will never win the SB. S
orry Al, you want to win you need to bring in a talented coaching staff (which means you have to pay them) along with your track stars, I mean football players, and you need to back the fuk off and let the coaches earn their money.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:03 pm
There are a bunch I like I didnt mention, but those are my favorite 5.
Oh, and we’d have to do better than 9 wins to put 5 guys to the PB. Maybe if we were 10+ wins for 3 years and a couple division titles players would vote in more silver and black.
I agree with you on some Probowl caliber players:
Nnamdi
Miller
Gallery
JLH (PR)
July 20th, 2009 at 2:04 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
I am delighted that the Raiders elected to develop a signal caller instead of the old tired, worn out and failed strategy of picking up old veterans that were cut fro their prior teams
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me too. Danny Southwick is gonna be the man!
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Brigham Young developed his spirit, Occidental developed his intellect (just ask Barack), and Hackett is developing his cannon!
And Dhitz, if you are still asking who Southwick is you are not a true Raider fan. Go root for the niners.
(jk)
July 20th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Gallery as a pro-bowl LG…well, not a total bust I guess, lol.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Dakota, it wasn’t a good package we got for Gruden, hardly worth what we had in Gruden. We can debate gruden’s skill till the cows come home, the bottom line is that he was the perfect coach for us then, and the whole freakin league knew it except for Al Davis. Under Gruden ,opponents had to actually prepare for us again. Who knows, maybe we really weren’t that good, and that our opponents were just taken by surprise due to the fact that before Gruden arrived, you didn’t even have to prepare for Oakland. Man coverage on D, middle to deep passes on offense, with only one go-to guy..etc. Then Gruden comes along and we catch everyone on their heels, except Shanarat, obviously. He hates Davis so much we could have the worst team in NFL history (which we were close to having in ‘06) and he’d still prepare for us like it were the Super Bowl, since his goal every time he plays us is to beat us by no less than 30. So, considering Gruden merely took our opponents by surprise, he still got us into the fray of competitive football. Would we have won it all in ‘02 if Gruden stayed, considering we likely would have faced the Eagles instead of the Bucs had we made the SB? Considering we owned the Eagles when Gruden was here (stomping them in 01, in Philly, and in weather conditions…)? It’s hard to say. But I guarantee you we would have been competitive through at least ‘04. Gruden would have eventually ran out of gas, but he could have kept us in the hunt, and could have left on more amicable terms (hard to do in Oakland, but anything would have been better than how he left), which would have been good for team chemistry and would have made it easier for his successor, likely one of his guys to begin with, take the reigns. We may have never saw a sub 6 win season throughout the ugly skid we saw instead, and that we are still in today.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
24 Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
Honestly…who fukin trades their winning Head Coach for draft picks and money? Really?
……………………………………………….
Al Davis does… But who won that superbowl anyway? Callahan had Grudens team and Gruden had Dungy’s. Callfat was so stupid he kept Grudens playbook even though we were playing HIM in the SB, what a douche… That was a bone head move on Al’s part for sure. If it were Gruden agaist Dungy, I think Gruden might of changed a couple things up for the biggest game of his career.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
post#113 Mistabrown, you haven’t seen much have ya’ Steve Young’s career was in the crapper until a certain coach pulled it out. SY not only had terrible practices but lot of terible games to boot. He was drfated very high and paid MILLIONS only to do a full on face plant most of his career. Don’t give me the bad teams crap because it’s no different for Russell.
Troy Aikman was so bad his first year after being the 1st overall pick he couldn’t beat out a 3rd rnd pick. Aikman was terrible his 1st and 2nd year he got a little better.
Elway there were whispers of BUST his first year and he improved over time.
Peyton Manning struggled mightily his first year just look at his stats even Marshall Faulk thought the Colts had made a huge mistake.
It took Montana 2-3 years of checking the ball down before he started to emerge as a real starter.
All of the afore mentioned are in or going to the HOF so I guess the future is extremely bright for Russell.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
Gallery is being paid like a LG not a LT… The pick a bust? Depends how you lok at it. Got a PB G instead of a T. Still, our O-line got better by his aquisition, regaurdless (no punn intended) if it took us a while to find his spot.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
Top 5:
The great Danny Southwick (Daniel to you)
Nnamdi
Scott
JLH
Murphy (for de-pantsing as a rook)
July 20th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
AZ Raider, whose playbook was Callahan supposed to use? That whole offense in ‘02 was an extension of Gruden’s offense. Nobody complained until the Super Bowl. The bottom line is, you’re right. Callahan had Gruden’s team, which means Gruden should have been here, with his team. Had he been, Al Davis has 4 rings instead of 3, with his last being earned nearly 3 decades ago, which makes his SB feats practically irrelevant anymore in debates as to rather or not he’s still capable of running a team. Just think, Al keeps Gru, he has that 4th ring, which would be a recent SB victory, and the Davis shills would have a lot more weight in their “Al’s still got it” b.s.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:14 pm
Sh*t Bo, I was hoping for guys that are gonna make the team LOL…
Good post
July 20th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
MaddenRaider,
That is something to think about…I too believe we would have won the SB in 2002-03 had we not traded Gruden, so when you put it that way…a SB is worth way more than 4 draft picks and cash.
hmmmm, I might agree with you on that one.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
I’m as mad about that 4th SB ring as I am about the tuck rule and Gannon getting suckered agaist Balt. Who knows, maybe we’d have 5 or 6. We, don’t and we’ve sucked for 6 years, so I’m over it. I liked the vibe at the end of last season, so I’ll give ‘em the benefit of the doubt that they will improve as a team.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:18 pm
We got nothing for Gruden other than more capital for Al Davis to burn on b.s., basically, Dakota.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
There’s another example as to how Al’s lost it. He could have kept Gruden, got his SB victory, then canned him to make it look like Raiders SB victory number 4 was all him! I guess he really didn’t think Gruden was capable, which would in contrast make him an idiot.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:22 pm
As a ND fan and a Raiders fan, I really wanted Gruden to go to ND if he wasn’t going to coach the Raiders…had Al terminated his contract and had Gruden gone to ND I think we win the 2002-03 SB, even without him and ND starts winning again. Win-win for me….
….didn’t happen, but I still hope ND hires Gruden after this year if CW doesn’t win a BCS bowl this year.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
If Gruden wanted to leave, I’m sure he had a good reason. Money talks and if AD would have paid him, there wouldn’t have been a problem. Gruden still talks highly of the Raiders…he obviously didn’t want to leave, he just wanted to have security and AD was too cheap to give it to him.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
AZ,
What do you mean “make the team”?!
Southwick is on a mission from God! He is a superior talent!
I like you, but Southwick is the future!
July 20th, 2009 at 2:24 pm
LOL
July 20th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Dakota Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
MaddenRaider,
That is something to think about…I too believe we would have won the SB in 2002-03 had we not traded Gruden, so when you put it that way…a SB is worth way more than 4 draft picks and cash.
hmmmm, I might agree with you on that one
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Gruden would NEVER have gotten Gannon that MVP or us a SB…too conservative (actually, his conservatism lost us the tuck game AFTER we got jobbed by the refs).
Gruden would not have allowed Trestman and Gannon to dominate in 02-03. It was still a lot of Gruden’s playbook, just plays he rarely called.
And, if Gruden was capable of getting us the ring, why did his tenure in TB become a death spiral? He had all the power, the same Bruce Allen delivering his players, a championship team to start with, but NO he tanked. And Cable and Bush finished him off last year.
Gruden was nothing before Al found him and is returning to nothing again (well, a good TV guy at least). The trade was worth it, since Gruden was not gonna stay. He did what Kiffin TRIED to do, which is USE the Raiders. Good riddance.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
What’s amazing to me is the fact that a writer and some media members and fans want to get over excercised about an offseason when the kid is working on several things to get better from footwork to scheme and new talent. We haven’t seen what the coaches are trying to get from Russell. The media keeps alluding to his work ethic but they don’t have anything specific that points to bad work ethic. Other than to show that Russell didn’t know what it tok to be an NFL QB hopw much work needs to be put into it.
Well duh!! he’s never been one every player at evry position needs to know and learn what involved in being your best at this level. No one comes into this league knowing what it takes to be great. Russell’s no different. No one has said he’s not willing to do it. They just he needs to learn what it takes. Big difference. Unlike the Leinert’s and Alex Smith’s of the world this kid has done nothing but put his head down and do it. Not one word of complaint. So why is is work ethic questioned????
Can you answer that for us Jerry since YOU continue to allude to it. Why is it questioned has he complained? What do you see??? if you see something SAY IT!!
Bad practices even the best ever have had them………..that’s just flat lazy, what is it that he’s doing that YOU have a problem with??
If it’s bad practices you obviously haven’t been around much for a beat writer.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:41 pm
Bo, to say for certain that Gruden would not have won us a SB is retarded, considering we were on the verge of winning one when he was here.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:44 pm
Guys, rule of thumb. Don’t ever believe anyone when they say that someone “wanted to leave” anyway. Always question the effort that was made to keep that person. The Davis shills love to close the Gruden argument with that, but just ask them what Davis did to try and persuade Gruden otherwise. They know the answer: practically nothing. Which is why they try to end the discussion on “he wanted to leave”. He wanted to leave because Al Davis simply was not interested in giving him a competitive contract.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:45 pm
True,
If Al wanted gruden bad enough, He’da been our coach…
July 20th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
No Gruden though…. Don’t know how our 6 loosing seasons would have gone with him though. It’s obvious grudens talents are with getting the most production from veteran players. As the Bucs got younger, their record got worse.
Without Rice, Brown, Garner, Gannon, etc, how successful would he have been? Probably still put up at least 3-4 years of 10+ losses.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
Al Davis would rather pay an assistant at USC chump change instead of a Gruden the money he deserves. He doesn’t want a leader, he wants a follower.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
AZ Raider – Gruden was able to get those players and make and put them in a position to succeed and he did…thats all that matters.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Without Gruden, how successful would Gannon have been? It goes both ways.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
I know 24, my point was, as the vets started leaving Tampa, so did the wins… Just saying, i can’t prove anything.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
24, look no further than Gannons comments about Gruden in contrast with his comments about the current state of the Raiders to get a pretty clear picture.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
24, look no further than Gannons comments about Gruden in contrast with his comments about the current state of the Raiders to get a pretty clear picture.
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What comments MR?
July 20th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
AZ Raider – My thing is…Its what Gruden did with the Raiders thats more appealing. Somehow, someway…he was able to make this team successful with Al Davis which is a far contrast to what the other coaches have done. Thats what we need again. Maybe things went south in Tampa, maybe Gruden won with Dungy’s team but don’t take away the fact that Gruden faced his own team in the Superbowl so if Dungy is going to get credit for having the Bucs in the Superbowl then Gruden should get the same credit for having the Raiders in the Superbowl.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:56 pm
I ask because I value Gannons assesments more than any analyst. I wanted Gannon to come back and coach QB’s, or OC, or anything to get his brain back on our sideline.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
24, I still give Gruden the credit for getting us to the SB that year… Callahan was a joke as HC.
July 20th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
…as bad as Shell IMO
July 20th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
24,
Why did Gruden get fired??
July 20th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
oh, we’re going to play this game again? No problem. I don’t mind making the small effort. You guys are unreal. You know, there was once a time when your boss was more concerned about winning, as opposed to p.r. stunts and distractions. Anyhow, here goes,
Gannon, after Kiffin’s firing last year:
“Well, you know it from being around it. I always said it’s not a tough place to work; it’s an impossible place to work. I left there on a high note. I went to four straight Pro Bowls, was league MVP. I don’t have any bad feelings about the place. I just know how difficult it was for me and I just look at the people that have left.”
“Mike Shanahan leaves and wins two Super Bowls. Jon Gruden leaves and wins a Super Bowl. Norv Turner is having success in San Diego. To let people like that leave, particularly a guy like Jon Gruden who really worked and really threw every ounce of energy he had into the place. To let him leave the way he did was just a mistake. And what happened is, in my opinion – people say, ‘Why have they had the big fall-off since the Super Bowl and stuff?’ – I think that it’s about six people who have left the organization that really were the heart and soul of the whole group and really kept it going.”
“Guys like Jon Gruden, Bruce Allen, the general manager, Bill Callahan, who was our offensive coordinator and offensive line coach. You lost quality people and some players and they’ve never been able to recover.”
On the prospects of their latest head coach succeeding, Gannon had this to say:
“This guy, Tom Cable, the poor guy, does he think he is more equipped and better prepared than his predecessors? In other words, if Jon Gruden couldn’t make it there and Bill Callahan couldn’t make it there and then if Norv Turner couldn’t make it there and then Art Shell couldn’t make it there and then Lane Kiffin couldn’t make it there, why does he think, all of a sudden, he’s going to make it there?”
http://football.about.com/b/2008/10/02/former-raiders-critical-of-davis.htm
July 20th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Anyone who doesnt change up the game plan for a SB, I don’t care who’s playbook/game plan your using. You gotta change it up in the SB. Or you have guys like Sapp saying stuff like “We ran all these plays in practice LOL” by the end of the 1st QTR.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Priesttj – Because the players hated him. He wore out his welcome in Tampa. He couldn’t produce a winning team there.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Any more questions, AZ? Any response to Gannon’s comments? Did you honestly not know he made the comments? Did you forget? Respond to Gannon’s points.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
24,
Why did one of Gruden’s players call him a scumbag??
Why did Jeff Garcia rip him after he got fired??
I mean if we should’ve have gotten rid of this GEM of a coach how come the team we traded him to fire him??
July 20th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Then why is he so hallowed in here?? as some freakin’ savior.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
priest, is Tom Cable a better coach than Jon Gruden?
July 20th, 2009 at 3:05 pm
Priesttj – Again…read what I said. Somehow, someway Gruden and Al Davis were able to put a winning team on the field. They were a match made in heaven. They needed each other. Obviously, it wasn’t the right fit between Gruden and the Bucs owner. What is ones trash is another mans gold. If the team would have been winning, the comments wouldn’t have been so bad but hey…Al Davis has lost since Gruden left and Gruden has lost since Al Davis traded him but Gruden’s record has been better than AD’s over that span. Call it what you want.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
Priesttj – Maybe because Gruden was the best coach since Tom Flores? That could be a possibility.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
priest, the way you bob on Davis’s knob, you’ve got a lot of room accusing people of hallowing Gruden…
July 20th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
And no matter how you shake and bake it…The Superbowl was Gruden vs. Al Davis and Gruden won. Thats no surprise.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
Gruden last won a Superbowl in 2002. AD last won a Superbowl in 1983. You’re still talking as highly of AD as I’m talking of Gruden. Weird isn’t it?
July 20th, 2009 at 3:08 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
What does it hurt to lose the most games over 6-years?
Ummm…NOTHING, but merchandise and ticket sales.
Oh, and a lot of pride.
But, that’s all.
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Pathetic.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:10 pm
Gruden didn’t get us to the SB…did he?? but you’d think he did the way y’all worship him??
We would’ve beaten the Pat’s in that tuck game if he wasn’t so conservative IMO.
How could Al Davis and Gruden be a macth made in heaven if Al Davis is sooo freakin stupid. Why wasn’t Tampa and Gruden a match made in heaven everyone said Gruden needed MORE power he got and FAILED……….period
July 20th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
Dang, MR!
I was just asking. Yeah, I remember him saying that now. He had good points, but if YOU remember, Gannon did the TB game and had (or was it Texans), and he had a bunch of positives to say about Cable and Russell, so in response to Gannon’s original assesment….
Yes, I believe Cable is better equipped than his predecessors, and can make a change for the better in Oakland.
I wasn’t knocking your post, just asking what comments you were reffering too.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
KoolKell Says:
Doesn’t all the coaching turnover indicate some sort of departure with reality, insanity, dementia, senility……..? something……
July 20th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
priest, you never answered my question. Who’s a better NFL coach, Tom Cable or Jon Gruden?
July 20th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
But everybody keeps blaming the guy that wouldn’t give him the power he didn’t NEED.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:14 pm
Priesttj – I was giving some credit to Al Davis by saying they need each other but you obviously ignored it. AD can’t do it alone but he seems to think so and obviously…neither can Gruden. AD is old school, Gruden is modern. They balance each other. The Raiders were sh!t before Gruden got there and fixed it and they were sh!t once he was gone yet Al Davis has been here during that whole span.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
AZ, I know you were just asking. But what i can’t understand is, as you’re a fan of this team, how you could have forgotten Gannon said those things when it was less than a year ago. I doubt you did forget. Therefore, you weren’t merely asking, were you?
July 20th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
After Cable has had the same opportnuity to screw up that Gruden has had I’ll answer that silly question.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:16 pm
Priesttj – What Gruden needed was to get a contract he was worth but AD obviously didn’t think so, so why would Gruden want to stick around if he wasn’t going to be rewarded for the success he had? A coach wants to know he has security but in Oakland, nobody has security unless hes a washed up player who Al Davis has no problems paying millions to for some reason.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
priest, you never answered my question. Who’s a better NFL coach, Tom Cable or Jon Gruden?
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Need to see a few years out of Cable to determine that don’t you think? Right NOW? I take Gruden. In 5 years when you look back? Who knows?
July 20th, 2009 at 3:17 pm
Asomugha: A huge part. It plays a huge part. We can leave football and go to any company in the world. When your head person, the head guy in charge, is leaving every single year, that’s tough for the employees, it’s tough for the focus of the company to move in the right direction, and that’s been one of the problems with us. One of the things that has hurt us has been the coaching changes throughout the year, so it’s great to have Cable back, maybe that will help us a lot more.-
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How was it possible for Al Davis not to know this?
July 20th, 2009 at 3:19 pm
Instead of basing your opinion of how good Gruden was in Tampa Bay…why don’t you base your opinion of how good Gruden was in Oakland? I can’t believe you guys hate this guy? You guys must love Mike White or Joe Bugel instead. Maybe Art Shell is your guy and you want him to come back for a 3rd time. Maybe Norv Turner?
July 20th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Ok MR, I thought we started over, but now I remember why I stopped conversing with ya. You just bash people without any premise. I really dont care if you think I remember, or if you think I’m a real Raider fan, or any of that… How old are you dude? 14-16 years old? You act like it here on this blog every time i hear your whinny posts.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Krappy, let me get this straight – now you’re cut and pasting your OWN lame previous posts? We’re supposed to be making progress here, Krappy, not taking steps back.
Listen, you old dog – posting other people’s lame articles on this blog was bad enough to have you moved into to a reputable senility home, but pasting your own old crap is enough to have you committed to an asylum.
And here I thought we were really making some positive headway. Oh Krappy … what I am going to do with you?
July 20th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
Al doesn’t want to do it alone 24, that’s why he hires coaches……….maybe you’ve missed that detail.
Gruden got what he wanted and FAILED……….period
He got that gift of a SB and hasn’t sniffed one since, yet he’s the great one.
Cable will have his chance let’s see what he does with it.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:22 pm
I’m not hating on Cable…we’ll see how he turns out.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:24 pm
24 yeah right any excuse is better than none everybody wh’s honest knows that Gruden wated MORE POWER he didn’t get it and left pure and simple. Let’s at least be honest THIS TIME.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:25 pm
But how can Davis fire Coaches every year and expect to win?
July 20th, 2009 at 3:27 pm
Priesttj – You’re as lost as AD.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
kk,
He can’t! Kool-aid dinkers and haters alike all know the coaching turnover has been devistating.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
24, as for your assesment that I hate Gruden your crazy I loved the guy. HE didn’t want to remain HC of the Oakland Raiders he turned his back on me not the other way around.
You got these writers and fans who believe he was some angel well he was great for us and the fans loved him but he couldn’t keep his ass still for 5 seconds there were always rumors of him looking elsewhere and it got OLD.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
But, sh*t! Gruden was still the only “real” coach we’ve had in years (jury still out on Cable). Callahan suct as HC, Norv stunk it up as HC, Shell stunk it up, and Kiffin was a joke. Al thought maybe hiring from within would be good(see Callahan and Turner), that didnt work, so he goes semi-inside with Shell *- FART! Ok, lets try and find the next Madden/Gruden type and Kiffin fit the mold, but turned out to be a highschool coach with incredible inerview skills LOL… Ok, so back inside with another “Raider Guy” in Cable… We’ll see, but so far it looks ok.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:32 pm
AZ Raider Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 3:28 pm
kk,
He can’t! Kool-aid dinkers and haters alike all know the coaching turnover has been devistating.
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What I’m really asking AZ is HOW one could think that?
July 20th, 2009 at 3:34 pm
Dunno…. :/
July 20th, 2009 at 3:36 pm
Hell truth be told when I first met him in his first year we hailed the guy as the next great HC of the Raiders. He hadn’t done squat yet. Then when he blew up he started smelling himself a little too strong and thought he was it. His press clippings the “People Magazine” article all the crap he forgot he was the HC of the Raiders NOT the organization itself.
He couldn’t stand himself and started making demands before his time. That is my personal up close observation of the guy.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Retarded KK still telling everybody what we already know. Isn’t it your bedtime?
July 20th, 2009 at 3:40 pm
Bob Lamont actually came out and said he wanted his coaching Clients (Gruden) to be more involved in the Executive.
Gruden and his agent wanted more.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:42 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
My point on Russell is this. He needs to pull his head out of his a$$. He is acting like a guy that has won a SB & been in Pro Bowls. He needs to assume LEADERSHIP of this team. Thus far in my opinion he has not! I said it before i’ll say it again. By week 8 we will know which way this guy is going. Im not about to give him 4 years, if you want to do that thats your business…no FKN way!
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Once again, one of the dumbest posts by a guy who is dumb as a post. So, you are not going to give him the time to develop, because obviously you are some super genius who knows more than everyone else in the NFL or on the planet Earth for that matter. So Super Genius, let’s say he takes a step back this year. What do we do?? Cut him?? Eat his $36mm in guaranteed money?? Bench him and put a 39 year old journeyman in who is not going to benefit the franchise long term?? Trade him, an overall number one, for a 6th rounder and a bag of chips?? Those are better options than letting him develop?? Unbelievable.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:43 pm
24, I’m lost alright? how would you know with your head so far up Gruden rear?
July 20th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
I was agreeing with you on the Gruden thing, a-hole.
What I’m asking now is, how in the hell think Davis think changing coaches every year would get him anywhere?
July 20th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Al Davis has failed in hiring head coaches. Part of the problem, as I see it, is that he has failed to hire coaches that agree with his methodology and philosophy.
Finally he has a coach that embraces everything that comes to being a Raider head coach. For better or for worse. A coach for Al Davis is expected to coach the talent on the field and leave all other issues of roster, contacts, draft etc…to the GM. The coach also has to accept a certain level of input in methods.
It is what it is. I am just happy he found a coach that WANTS to work with him.
Hopefully the Raiders can pull it together now.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Asomugha: A huge part. It plays a huge part. We can leave football and go to any company in the world. When your head person, the head guy in charge, is leaving every single year, that’s tough for the employees, it’s tough for the focus of the company to move in the right direction, and that’s been one of the problems with us. One of the things that has hurt us has been the coaching changes throughout the year, so it’s great to have Cable back, maybe that will help us a lot more.-
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How in the hell could a man in Davis’ position not know this?
July 20th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Oakglenn!
Good to see ya, put your boots on brother it’s gettin deep LOL.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
http://csnbayarea.com/pages/main
Cool interview with Mike Mitchell on the main page.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Man, this is going to be a l-o-n-g effing week. Only the week before the opening game is longer.
Good to hear that the fat man is going to go full blast when camp starts, with two a day’s right from the get go. Hope it’s 105* in Napa, like it’s been here in the 90effing9 the past few days.
Free 408’s ip & Free Dirty!
Southwick for #3 baby!
July 20th, 2009 at 3:48 pm
Priesttj – Oh…you’re one to talk with your mouth on AD’s rod for the last 40 years. Give me a break!
July 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
Priesttj – I really starting to think that you should retire with Al Davis. You’re both WAY past your prime.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:49 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 3:13 pm
priest, you never answered my question. Who’s a better NFL coach, Tom Cable or Jon Gruden?
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That’s a dumb question. How can you compare an 11 year Head Coach who took over two pretty solid rosters with a couple of pro bowlers and future hall of famers, one of which was a Super Bowl team versus a guy who fell into the middle of a complete debacle, with no hall of famers and complete utter disarray around him??? How is that even remotely comparable??
July 20th, 2009 at 3:50 pm
Thanks AZ. Good to see you in here as well!!!
July 20th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Told ya…
July 20th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
909 – 408 is banned?
July 20th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
Krappy’s basic schedule, from what I’ve been able to ascertain, is something like this -
2 pm – Wake Up
2:03 – Take Dump in Pajamas
2:03-4 – Blog
4-5 – Nap
5-8 – Wake up with dump in pants, Blog
8-10 – Get bathed, cleaned up, put to bed
10:02 – Take fresh dump in pants
July 20th, 2009 at 3:55 pm
Oakglenn, there are times when i think half these guy’s are retarded. Everyday it’s the same insanity from the same people.
We know the coaching carosel ha been a real problem.
We know the defense needs to stop the run.
We know the WR’s need to step up.
We know Russell needs to get better.
What else?
The convo never gets above that level. Then you have the Grudenites, who can’t get past a coach who’s been fired because he could do what HE tought he could.
KK, for the lasyt time yes the coaching changes have been the issue………OK, OK!! geezz.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
If Cable ends up being good…alot of you will say…”I told you so.” The problem is that you’ve been saying that with every coach that has come and gone. If you say it every year, eventually you’ll be right…right? Cable looks good on paper, just like the Raiders roster every year so its a wait and see. If anything, Cable just needs to stay for awhile as thats been the biggest problem. We just need continuity even if Cable isn’t the best choice.
July 20th, 2009 at 3:58 pm
Priesttj – You’re so stupid! What the fuk else do we have to talk about? All this sh!t is repetitive until the season starts. Thats what you get when you blog every single day about the same things and you continue to get mad about it every single day. I have been disappearing for weeks at a time because theres nothing new. You’re also still splurting the same crap as the rest of us.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
We all know the Coaching Carousel has been a disaster.
What I don’t know is how Al Davis let it happen? It’s boggling my mind.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:01 pm
On that note…The Giants game is coming on so I’m out. Peace.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:08 pm
There’s a ton to talk about if you know the freakin game instead of cmplaining evryday about something NO ONE can change.
Needing t stop the run and HOW to do it is one thing. Saying we NEED to stop the run is REPETITIVE.
No one here knows what kind of coach Cable will be until HE’S DONE it.
I might be past my prime along with Mr Davis 24 but you’ll NEVER get to that prime. Whinning and crying all he time with your mentor KK.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Asomugha: A huge part. It plays a huge part. We can leave football and go to any company in the world. When your head person, the head guy in charge, is leaving every single year, that’s tough for the employees, it’s tough for the focus of the company to move in the right direction, and that’s been one of the problems with us. One of the things that has hurt us has been the coaching changes throughout the year, so it’s great to have Cable back, maybe that will help us a lot more.-
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What the hell was Davis thinking??????????????????????????
July 20th, 2009 at 4:10 pm
Other things that boggle KrappyKell’s mind -
Grapes
String
Books
Words in Books
Cats
Soap
Air
July 20th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Priest, it is mind boggling. I have come to the realization that certain people in here are kind of simple minded, and so they need simple answers to complex issues. To Wit: Al Davis is to blame for everything. Jamarcus sux. Your parents have ruined your life. Now, for those of us that don’t think it’s just one thing, we are here to toss ideas and solutions back and forth. Like this:
# KoolKell Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 4:00 pm
We all know the Coaching Carousel has been a disaster.
What I don’t know is how Al Davis let it happen? It’s boggling my mind.
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Maybe I can shed some light on that: Davis thought Gruden might be the long term answer. He wasn’t. Good try tho. Tampa Bay just found out the same thing. It was the players who lobbied for Callahan. He was even worse. So, On we go to Norvell, who just took over a 14-2 team and has been underachieving ever since. The Shell II debacle is clearly a desperate and foolish Al Davis grasping at straws. Very bad move, which has put us into the laughing stock cage we are in right now. Davis wisely tho decides to go in a complete and utterly different direction, one that has worked a couple of times in the past. He hires Kiffin, and who on the planet would think that Kiffin would TRY to lose??????? I mean what the fook???? Finally, Big Al takes MY recommendation and hires Cable. Jury is still out on that one!
July 20th, 2009 at 4:19 pm
Happy 420,
Legalize it!
July 20th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
YEAH!
July 20th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Oakglenn
I appreciated the stab at it. I really do. In other words, it just happened.
How many games does Cable have to win this year? At least 8.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:24 pm
24….
Yep, he po’d the m-o-d really good I guess. He still pops by here via his phone from time to time.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
I think we win 9 if all goes to plan bwwwwahahahaha! but if we win 7, Cable is still my coach next year.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
Damn! If he win 0, he’s still my coach because I’m tired of having coaches for 1 year and 1 year only…
Remember, this will be Cables FIRST year as HC.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
We will win 8/9 games this season. If we win less than 6 then we should fire cable. We have talent!
July 20th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
I wanted Gilbride, he can use all 3 RBs, and he likes his TEs.
I was happy with Cable, but to be honest I would have been happy with anyone who didn’t run a B&B for the last 15yrs!
July 20th, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Oakgleenn, it is truely a breath of fresh air to have someone to talk football with. Raider O and Jhill and SnB are very good there are others that don’t come to mind right now but other than that. These guy’s that come in here a spew hate and say the same crap day in day out. You wonder what’s going on in there lives.
Well I didn’t mean to ruin everybodies day sometime I to scream it drives me crazy. It’s as if KK thinks Al Davis has a some special powers to see in the future. Kiffin , Shell and Norv he had high hpes for them all. Yes he his impatient npo question which is his real problem because he wants to win soo bad. B ut that same passsion that he has to win also causes him to make huge mistakes. No one excuses him for them we all acknowledge that fact. But all the othr crap is just that crap.
Anyone with the ability accomplish what Mr Davis has is going to have a HUGE EGO. Other owners just bought a team for fun exposure. HE bought it to dominate the game he loves and was a part of to do something very special. That drive is still there who are we to tell him he’s had enough. They said the same thing to Joe Pa, now look at him.
This is his LIFE and all that goes with it to take that from him would essentially kill him. It’s not anything else is going to replace this for him. And after all he’s done a few years in the crapper he deserves the chance to try and turn it around same as Joe Pa.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:38 pm
BHP,
I enjoy talking football with you, you know A LOT about it’s history, and I have learned a lit from you.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
Oak, #post 316, i probably could not say it better if I tried. Things happen, he gave it what he thought it needed at the time…………it didn’t work…….period
July 20th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
*a lot…
I think Frye is our 3rd QB, then next year he will be the backup if all is well with JR.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
Raider O, the pleasure is all mine trust me. I had all girls in family talking football only comes outside my house. This is theropy for me. Sometimes I can’t help but vent.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
Frye is going to be interesting watch, watch out for this guy. I know for a fact we liked him coming out.
July 20th, 2009 at 4:47 pm
Nice article, “Safety First”
For those that understand Davis’ built backward system of D, safeties are the biggest concern. Looking at this makes me realize how bad we’ve been and party why…
I hope Branch and Mitchell are the answer…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/draftermath
July 20th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
We don’t talk much about Frye, but I think it was a great move. Maybe even better than Ellis.
He is still young, and can be a great backup for years. Also if anything happen to JR, I think due to his Exp he can handle an entire season and do well.( we have a lot of weapons in offense)
As BHP said:
Our WRs will have to compete, and compete hard. All but Walker and DHB are cheap, so it makes for better competition. As
July 20th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
HayesDaze37 never said 9 winning seasons in 25 is good. Those are your words.
9-of-25 is not a good winning record.
But…in 13-of-25 years the Raiders were 8-8 or better, with more Playoff wins than 2/3’s of the NFL have to show for it.
That goes for the past 10-years, the past 20-years, the past 30-years, or any other 10+year period you can find.
What, Dude? You can’t find stats to support your case? That’s because they don’t exist the way you guys would like them to.
Dude…KK…ANY hater — MIAMI HAS THE SECOND-MOST WINNING SEASONS THE PAST 20-YEARS (14 OF THEM)…
…AND MIAMI HASN’T WON A THING.
Winning seasons means NOTHING…
July 20th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Still think Walker has some in the tank!!!!
1. Chaz
2. Walker/DHB (maybe/hopefully)
3. Murphy/Higgins (think JLH should concentrate on PR)
4. McFadden????? Wha wha wha?
July 20th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
Also,
We have 2 young, hungry, productive RBs. That should take a lot pressure of the QB and the defense.
Cable understands that the Oline needs to get comfortable running the ball, they want to get nasty, and attack the Dline. Force the LBs and Ss to help, and then…..
Play Action Baby!!
Pick your poison:
Chaz: 6′4 220, and runs a sub 4.4
DHB: 6′3 210, and runs 4.3
JLH: 5′11 185, ran a 4.44, but his true speed is on the field
Murphy: 6′3 210, and runs a 4.3+
I love it!
July 20th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
What, Dude? You can’t find stats to support your case? That’s because they don’t exist the way you guys would like them to.
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That guy “Dude” can’t find anything to support his case. I’m still waiting for my scouting report… LOL, yeah Dude, I’m still waiting….
July 20th, 2009 at 4:59 pm
Both RBs avg around 4.5 yards/ carry.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:02 pm
All JR needs to do is:
1- don’t fumble the ball, TOs will kill you
2- do better cmp short passes, especially on 3rd downs
3- run more, but hold on to the ball.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
I said a while ago that some are taking this safety thing a little lightly. A great safety is HUGE in the secondary vs the run and the pass. Your ability to get off the field remains with the backend of your defense taking advantage of the pressure your front4 or 5 put on the QB. We have really sucked at that in recent years after Woodson left.
There have been way tooo many snaps that this defense has had to play due to the lack of the backend of the defense not capitolizing on big plays. Safeties are paramount especially in the defense we play. Our corners are manned up, the safety has to read the QB’s eyes and play the ball. Mitchell demonstrated that he can play the ball when it’s in the air. He also demonstrated that he takes proper angles to the ball. That’s how you make bigtime plays. The hits are a premium if he can just make plays when they are there we can get the hell off the field. That will reduce the # of snaps this defense faces and the yardage it gives up.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Well said Raider O, Russell games has to improve on several levels but that what every young QB must do. hen camp starts he has to get a repore with his starters that will allow them to be effective on 3rd down. Check downs are huge in that regard, but extending drives is where he needs to improve the most.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
Huff has 1 INT, maybe 2
Stu had 4 in 4yrs!!
Not the help you want from your Ss!!
Our LBs had more picks the last 4/5 than our Ss!
July 20th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
Huff has to step up and take charge of the saftey postion. Make some plays Huff, so you have room to be our guy and teach these young guys how to do it too. I like the potential we have there, but no proven saftey we can rely on…
July 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Woodson was incredible in making plays and saving us. I thought Eric Turner was great at that before him as well. We have certainly missed that.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:15 pm
Russell made alot of plays with his feet at LSU… I think it was Kiffin that told him, never to do that. I also think kiffin told him to go to his check down first and if he wasnt open to go ahead and look down field LOL… Kiffin… What a joke.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
I thought Stu played well within the system. He didn’t make the plays but he was playing the whole field most of the time and it was his job to prevent the big play, which I thought he did well. He would occasionally make a whiff but that can happen when your defensive line is struggling to stop the run and you’re caught in the open against a RB. I thought Stu played center field nicely. If he had another safety playing back with him most of the time, he would have had more interceptions because he would have had less field to worry about.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
I think our safeties of late have struggled much more than Stu did and its a testament to how well he really played.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
I just think our safties of late (including Stu) have not been doing any more than an average NFL saftey has to do not to get cut.
Where is our Ed Reed? Well, many believe he wears #24 and sat the bench last year
i really hope he comes through…
July 20th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
24, Stu was garbage IMO, he played way too cautious. Yu guy’s are blaming the scheme but a safety has to know the QB as well as the QB knows our defense. He has to make the QB read something else. He has to make him see ghost.
Great safety play is instinctive, coaches cannot tell you what to do it must come from instincts and film study. Stu played everything by the book.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
AZ Raider – I “think” Huff will benefit greatly from a Defensive Coordinator who has been around the block and has alot of experience. Its hard to say whether the 2 young guys in Mitchell and Branch will start but its nice to know that Huff is talented and has experience and maybe Marshall can get the best out of him. I thought Eugene showed promise and had some good games as well. These guys must be doing pretty good to let an experienced guy like Keith Davis go but that could also have something to do with his comments about the QB position.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
Priesttj – You’re right…he played it safe but I also think he was doing what Rob Ryan wanted him to do. Just my opinion.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:28 pm
I just realized that Frantz Joseph was released when Stryker Sulak was relased. Thats too bad because he looked like a tackle machine.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:30 pm
Ed Reed makes bigtime plays because he cheats he takes tons of calculated chances to make plays for that defense or else that defense would play a lot more snaps than they do. Reed gets them off the field along with Ray but Ed makes huge plays that win games for them.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
Makes it even better when KK tries to prove a point, using my own well-balanced and articulated post to prove himself wrong (again). Classic KK, and hilarious!
KoolKell Says:
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 14th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
HayesDaze37 never said 9 winning seasons in 25 is good. Those are your words.
9-of-25 is not a good winning record.
But…in 13-of-25 years the Raiders were 8-8 or better, with more Playoff wins than 2/3’s of the NFL have to show for it.
That goes for the past 10-years, the past 20-years, the past 30-years, or any other 10+year period you can find.
What, Dude? You can’t find stats to support your case? That’s because they don’t exist the way you guys would like them to.
Dude…KK…ANY hater — MIAMI HAS THE SECOND-MOST WINNING SEASONS THE PAST 20-YEARS (14 OF THEM)…
…AND MIAMI HASN’T WON A THING.
Winning seasons means NOTHING…
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Not good when you can’t find enough cut ‘n pastes to fight your fight for you…and then you pick one that shoots down one of your own arguments.
Brilliant!
Once again, I say to the world — WINNING SEASONS MEAN NOTHING! Say it with me KK!
Getting to Playoff games (and then winning them) is the ONLY thing that matters…
and the Raiders have gone to more Playoff games than 2/3’s of the NFL over ANY 10-YEARS OF RAIDERS HISTORY…
and that includes the past dreadful 6-years of the worst record in the history of all mankind.
In the past 10-years, how many teams have been in as many Playoffs/AFC-NFC Championships/Super Bowl/s as the Raiders? A VERY small handful.
KK — You got nothin’ with the Winning Seasons debate, but thanks for thinking of me so much!
July 20th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
24,
Oh, I like 31! Made up for blown coverages a few times last season with some big hits, and he’s learning how to jump routes and break on the ball (almost got that pick in Tampa, that would have been an amazing play). There is talent at the position, but Huff’s the guy we drafted to do that, so I’d like to see it happen.
Mitchell? Dude looks like a beast in highlight reels, but those are what they are. I assume he’ll struggle in coverage, but I’m totally confident he’ll help in run support. If Huff can be trusted out on an island, we can put Mitchell in the box, and get some big hit turnovers, and tackles in the backfield. We’ll see…
July 20th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
At this level QB’s are too smart to sit back and wait for a mistake, you have to force mistakes. They will pick you apart without pressure and instincts they will all pass for 400 yards a game. Because they seeon film where you are suppose to be if you do that they will beat you. You must make them guess.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:37 pm
Ed Reed bates ‘em the best… Where the flip is Huff?????
July 20th, 2009 at 5:38 pm
Frantz Joseph
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFzk2vucbQ8&feature=related
July 20th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
AZ, you have toto get the plays you want. If you wait on a coach to tell you, you’re not much of a safety IMO. Schemes don’t win games players do. Great players are great because they do the extraordinary.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
BHP,
I agree about ED. People talk about RL but ED makes most of the big plays.
July 20th, 2009 at 5:45 pm
I know priest! We drafted Huff at #7 and have yet to see his incredible measurables in action on the field. Huff second guesses himself and reacts too late. Playing saftey in coverage is a “feel” rather than going to an assigned spot. Safties can manipulate where the QB goes with the ball as well. Something Ed Reed does with incredible precision. “I’m gonna bite strong side ok?” “Just kidding – PICK 6!” Thats what I want from Huff!
July 20th, 2009 at 5:49 pm
Ed Reed “cheats” — like all great DB’s cheat — only because he has a natural feel for the game, and knows the receivers’ (and his own) limitations.
There are only so many things receivers can do, and guys like Nnamdi, Woodson (either of them), Tatum, et al know exactly what they are.
Timing is everything (ask a woman), and great DB’s have got something that cannot be taught.
Stu was a journeyman-level NFL Safety on a bad Defense — even when he was in position, he was beaten, whether it be a missed tackle or a missed turnover opportunity. He was embarrassed a number of times in one-on-one matchups, and it was evident he would never be a special player.
Just like the Offense needed an infusion of talent, the Defense did — and there (arguably) was no better way to start infusing young talent, than with a Safety who exhibits some special traits.
Just like IF DHB pans-out…if MM pans-out, the team is greatly improved on both sides of the ball.
What a sweet success story that would be for the old GM, huh??
July 20th, 2009 at 5:58 pm
I’m outta here…
July 20th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Yeah HD7!! I would love to see it, for all concerned. Especially that old GM.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Have a great evening AZ.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
What up Nation?
Long time, no talk. As I was mainly BSing with the AM crew, you guys may not remember me, but even though I haven’t posted in a minute, I always skim through the blog and felt it was time to say a few things.
1. JaMarcus.
Give the guy a break. #1 or #201, you can’t expect a young quarterback to be a Jedi f’ing master after sitting on the bench behind Culpepper and McCown for most of a wasted rookie season under a lame duck coach in the making and then throwing for 13-8 in his first year as a starter.
Watch the tape from the last half of the season. Once the offense got going, they and specifically Russell, can make some plays.
He was intentionally shielded with the run game. And so what? Its a good run game. Not everyone can be Matt Ryan. Joe Flacco is no more talented than JR, just played on a far better team, and they played the same strategy. Plus JR’s younger.
When JR lets it rip and gets into a rhythm, watch out – the guy can make the throws (look for a lot of PA in 09).
Elway, Manning, Plunkett, Bledsoe and Marino took time to settle in and win games. (Fck the Plunkett haters, 2 rings says hes the business).
July 20th, 2009 at 6:07 pm
Branch and MM at S. Sorry RR, but I think I want to move on. He can play some snaps, but not as a starter.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
I want a S who has a nose for the ball, and has good hands. I think MM and Branch can do that better than Huff. They can do worse than the Shadow!!lol
July 20th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
2. DHB
This is greased lightning right here. Speed kills, ladies and gentlemen. Hes got hands, too. If he can be consistent, hes gonna light up a lot of DBs in this league. Look for him to be moved around the slot alot, primarily as a decoy. If Walker stays healthy, hes our go-to guy on 3rd down, otherwise its Chaz and sprinkle in some JLH.
3. Anyone who thinks Al lives in the 70s is absolutely right.
Hes looking for throwbacks. JR is a 6-6 QB from Alabama who can throw 80 yards and likes to party. DHB is pure speed and a smart kid and smart player who can outrun everyone and perhaps the only guy on the field that can catch up to some of these bombs.
Zack Miller is solid. A true threat up the middle and a tough kid. McFadden is also pure speed, but incredibly shifty, smart, and explosive.
Bush will pound the rock carry after carry.
Anyone who talks sht about Fargas simply doesn’t watch the guy, they just look at numbers.
Aso is league’s best shutdown corner on a team that plays 90% man cov and Mike Mitchel is blood thirsty.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
I don’t trust Huff at all, if he wants to stay for depth OK but restructure your deal. Or else move on! A few great plays in preseason could change my mind. Because he is very talented he just frustrates the hell out of me. He might be the best at covering TE’s I’ve seen in our secondary since Atkinson. There’s a lot to be said for that. But daamn man pick one off ONCE PLEASE!!
July 20th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
You couple that with the potential of a Louis Murphy one one side of the ball and Chris Johnson on the other side, this team has talent everywhere with the exception of up the middle.
Rumors of trading Burgess (really, who cares, the guys production is down and he doesn’t want to be here. So what if he lights it up elsewhere, even in NE. Same story as Moss – you don’t want to be here, fck it, theres the door) for Wilfork????
I just can’t get my hopes up, but that would be somethin.’ We have pass rushers, we need a beast up the middle who can alter the line of scrimmage.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Cable gave Huff no chance other than 5 or 6 DB looks. Huff saw some decent action in the first quarter of the season and played serviceably, but not outstanding.
Huff basically lacks fire. You can go into detail and analyze it all you want, but simply stated – Huff needs to let his ba11s drop.
Maybe Marshall can get him playing, but I don’t know. Mitchell will perhaps rub off, but I’m writing off Huff now with the hope that I’m wrong and pleasantly surprised.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:25 pm
Burgess and what?
July 20th, 2009 at 6:28 pm
2 green safeties are problematic. And we’ll see about Tommy Kelly.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:29 pm
NE loves draft picks and they always know just what to do with them. Burgess and a 2nd or 3rd.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
Little faith in Tommy Kelly other than a decent pass rushing DT. Warren will probably end up being our most productive player up the middle, or at least the most consistent.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:32 pm
I know the feeling. Less than 1 int/ year is really bad for a S. Especially a cover S. If Huff was a hard hitter, then maybe I won’t be so upset with his avg of less than 1 int/ year.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
I feel the same way about our safety situation. No matter how good they are and how much potential they have, Branch and Mitchell will get burned once for every two solid plays they make.
Most of the best safeties I can think of didn’t hit their stride for several years.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
I wish Charles Woodson were playing safety for us now.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Look at KK bringin’ the knowledge. Now that’s what I’m talking about!!!
And you are right IMO!! but what I’m hoping is that Eugene is the wildcard. It would only help if Huff would add to that because all the potential safeties are very young. But we aren’t expected to play for anything which IMO allows for these guy’s to come in and play now. Eventhough Branch was hurt last year I’m hoping he saw enough to make a difference.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
KK, that was my dream as well Mr Davis’ for us but Woodson just wouldn’t stop the partying. Mr Davis wanted to get rid of that stuff as much as possible, CW was always in the streets. But that would be the ideal thing WOW! would that have been great!
July 20th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
He had ONE incident that I know of.
But he played his heart out on the field. I thought that was the only thing that mattered to Mr Davis.
July 20th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
CW was always in the streets.
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I hope he enjoys the streets of Wiscon in the middle of winter, Bbbwwwaaaa
July 20th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
priesstj-
I too believe Eugene could be a wildcard. Dude is a hitter and can make the open field tackle all he needs is to nab a couple of int’s and he is legit. now that we have marshall and our fs wont just be sitting in middle field every play maybe he can make some big plays.
July 20th, 2009 at 7:04 pm
CW could be a great player. When he wanted to be. His lackadaisical demeanor and aloof attitude around the facility could be grating on those that knew CW had superstar written all over him. Superstar only showed up on game day, though.
If Woodson applied himself everyday to work on his craft, like he liked to party, he could’ve been one of the best-ever, instead of just another almost-great. His team would’ve been all the better for it, also.
As hard as he played…Charles Woodson never realized his full potential as a football player as a Raider, and now he never will. Without helping GB/somebody win a SB or two, he will be a questionable HOF selection, unless he becomes the most-respected CB in the game for the last few years he’s got…and that ain’t gonna happen.
July 20th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
Look folks…The Raiders are happy with the players they have. If they are happy with them…then I am happy with them.
Tom Cable has addressed the media several times about the defense. He firmly and adamently said the issue is not talent…it was coaching…”how Rob Ryan lasted 6 years is outragous!” So let’s give Marshall and company the chance to shape the defense. If they have the talent then I am expecting a significant improvement in 2009 to a top 10 – 15 defense. The pass defense will be in the top 5…the run defense somewhere in the top 15.
The offense is further along IMO. The game is slowing down for Russell and he has competent coaching for the first time in his NFL career (again that damn coaching quality)…Chaz Schilens and JLH will pick up where they left off and Zach Miller is heading to elite status.
Mario over Kwame Harris is worth 2 extra victories…maybe 3
Let’s get camp fired up and let’s get started
July 20th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
PRIEST THIS IS NOT YOUR BLOG, YOU’RE NOTHING MORE THAN A COMMENTER HERE. WHERE DO YOU GET OFF SAYING THIS BLOG WOULD BE BETTER IF IT WEREN’T FOR CERTAIN COMMENTERS? IT’S JERRY’S BLOG! IT’S UP TO HIM! HIS BLOG. HIS WEB HITS. HIS ADS. YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A BUM WHO COMES IN HERE AND TRIES TO MAKE AL LOOK GOOD, AND FAILS DAY AFTER DAY.
July 20th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
And DMAC and Bush could prove to be an elite set of running backs.
Cable’s challenge is MAKING SURE THOSE TWO GET THE BALL!!!!
July 20th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
The fishy odor of the facility, I think finally got to Charles Woodson. I heard he was the unquestioned leader of the locker room. That probably has more to do with his departure.
July 20th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
The fishy odor in the facility is that of an 80 year old man, Kell. And, yes, Davis admirers, that was a cheap shot directed at Al’s age. Sue me.
July 20th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
KK while that may be true to an extent. It was a source of frustration for Mr Davis that CWood wouldn’t prvide an example for Nnamdi and others. CWood was it in that organization with Tim Brown. Tim stirling example CWood just the opposite.
I remember when Stacy Toran died Mr Davis made cmments to the affect that things must change in the organization it was as if he loved the kid. He was THE leader in the lockeroom with Tim that was the problem. Tim was the leader of the team but CWood was a bad enfluence I’m just telling what Nnamdi said.
July 20th, 2009 at 7:34 pm
Did that fishy odor make Nnamdi and Lechler leave?
July 20th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Nnamdi credits C Wood with being a great resource, They are still good friends according to Nnamdi.
July 20th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
S&B
Whats goin on my friend?
Ya, lets let the youngsters play. It seems as though as soon as we cut ties with or reduced play time for the chumps (IE Kwame, Hall, Lelie, Curry) and put the ball in the hands of the future of the team, we succeeded.
JR, Zach, DMC, JLH are playmakers. Lets open up the playbook for them and see what they can do. Murphy and DHB only make that group better.
July 20th, 2009 at 7:42 pm
I heard Aso do an interview and he had nothing but good things to say about Chucky W. Gave him a ton of credit for the player he has become. #24 along with Marcus is my all time favorite player and even I will admit he coulda/shoulda been better. He was real good, should have been great.
July 20th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
Also, S&B has a good point with the defense. You mean to tell me that outside the top 5 or 6 defenses, that we don’t compare to other playoff teams?
Our front 7 played well when they weren’t on the field for 70% of the game, and the secondary was great.
A bit troubled about Gibril getting cut, but fck him, if he doesn’t want to be here, theres the door.
If the offense strings together drives, I’ve watched the D very closely over the past few seasons, especially 08. When they think they can play, they do. When they think they play for a sht team with no offense, they suffer and justifiably so.
If the season started in week 8 or so, this would be a much better football team… its too bad they had to (forgive the corniness) find themselves in the last 2 weeks of the year.
July 20th, 2009 at 7:49 pm
Sounds like alot of excuses for a defense that gets exposed on a regular basis. Fact is, some teams simply dont take alot of chances against the Raiders because they know the offense wont outscore them. Its almost like some of you have selective amnesia.
July 20th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Dude several people have made that assesment including yours truely. can we say Osmosis??
July 20th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
the raiders allowed a lot of yardage on the ground. But you can be a playoff team with mediocre defense that makes big stops when it counts.
Look at the offense from the last couple of years. Anemic. When you don’t get support from both sides of the ball, your game will suffer.
Anyone wanna tell me how spectacular the Cardinals defense was in 08? Exactly.
They have some playmakers. They made plays when it counted, won their division with a confident offense and serviceable defense and just clicked in the playoffs.
No excuses, Dude. Like I said, I watched a lot of the D and the DT and SLB positions need to be addressed, but all I’m saying is they can win as is…just need balance is all.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Teams simply put the ball on the ground bloating run defense stats but once the offense is on point. Now if we get what we need in terms of a pass rush then we’ll see what happens…at least that is I’m sure the plan.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Defending Charles Woodson’s leadership skills is about as hollow as those leadership skills are. Even in GB, certain things are overlooked (just like here), because he’s so talented.
Of course, friends like Nnamdi are going to defend him. But, there is a HUGE difference between being intelligent, talented and charismatic…and being a superior leader.
Lead-by-example doesn’t work on the field, if you’re not a leader already before game day. Just saying, “Let’s go — I’m a leader!” won’t cut it.
I say CWood will never be one of the greats, because he blew it. Trust me, Nnamdi thinkd CW should be on the other side of the field from him right now.
Nnamdi didn’t have to take this money…he was to be rich beyond his dreams no matter where he went. Nnamdi chose to continue the legacy he has created in Oakland, and if his team grows with him, he will be the superstar CWood always wanted to be.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
LA2d’B, great assesment I agree.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:03 pm
Just believing they could do it was the biggest hurdle. Bringing in Neal, Ellis, and Garcia was smart. Guys who have won elsewhere.
‘No more excuses. Quit being punks, you’re better than this, We’ve won with less talent and guys who just went out and played harder. If you think you can’t win, you’ve already lost.’
Even guys like Hackett, Tollner, and Marshall who have been up and down and around the league for a while – thats smart.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
Hayes,
Forgive me for taking 21s word over some hack who THINKS he knows whats goin on.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
priesttj Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
Teams simply put the ball on the ground bloating run defense stats but once the offense is on point. Now if we get what we need in terms of a pass rush then we’ll see what happens…at least that is I’m sure the plan
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I think its better to just chalk it up to poor coaching. The players and coaches have all talked about getting back to basics and they have been consistent. Terdell Sands and Tommy Kelly are in shape for the first time in a while.
I think the defensive players and coaches know that last yr was unacceptable. Good defenses make plays and make stops…regardless of how bad the offense is playing.
Let’s see what happens in camp and hopefully the playcalling, scheme and accountability is ratcheted up this year.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
LAto the Bay,
What up? It’s all good. Next week the season starts (as far as I am concerned.) What happens in camp will go a long way to determining what kind of team this will be in 2009.
All players are on board for the 1st time. Coaches are confident in what they are teaching and trying to do…and there is some interesting competition at Safety, Wide Receiver and the O-Line.
They really need to build on the last year….
July 20th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Nnamdi already is IMO HD37 he didn’t get the credit league wide until lately but he has been better than CWood. CWood was a phenomenal talent who just wouldn’t put in the time looking at film. He instead wanted to play pimp.
Nnamdi on the other hand is a voracious film guy. He knows routes better than most WR’s. That’s what made Deion so great film study. CWood relied on instincts which is quite unbelieveable when you see him play. But what would he have been with film study?
Mr Davis would’ve backed up a Brinks truck he would’ve given him a DHall type contract.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Let’s see what happens in camp and hopefully the playcalling, scheme and accountability is ratcheted up this year.
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I’d say all 3.
Aso and CJ are vets, Eugene will rub off on our young DBs. Our front 7 will play with better gap discipline, and I think the mentality overall will be healthier.
We haven’t had much to look forward to the last couple of years, and its right around the time when 32 teams are winning the Super Bowl, but even the stingiest pessimist can;t truly admit that this hasn’t been the most productive, solid, quiet offseason during this whole slump.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Dude…troll — Weren’t you in here earlier today, defending Matt Leinart as an NFL star-to-be, based on a scouting report more than 3-years-old, before he was drafted?
That scouting report became obsolete as soon as Leinart started playing against the big boys. Those gaudy stats he accrued in his fantastic college career mean absolutely nothing right now. They’re as useless as “winning season” stats.
When Leinart isn’t getting injured, he’s missing the basic throws that all QB’s must be able to make at this level. The Cardinals are spoiled now, watching a real star NFL QB play — and the team knows it needs to add a QB early in next year’s draft, because Leinart may not ever be good enough to start there.
Despite their great COLLEGE careers…VY and Leinart must be included in any list of potential QB busts LONG BEFORE Jamarcus Russell is included in the same discussion.
Can’t defend Leinart’s NFL career much, Dude…troll. But I give you credit for trying!
July 20th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
Good thing for me you, once again, dont know what you are talking about. Was defending Leinarts college career, not his pro. Said I think he will end up being fine based on his skill set and the fact that he will step into a real nice situation in AZ( I.E.- Great WRs, good run game, good line, good coaching). Said I thought Russell would have a good chance of success if put in the same situation. Thanks for trying though.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
1. Brought back the coach that players rallied around last year. Guy whos been part of the team for a few seasons and (if we’re to take at face value) just earned a chance at is dream job
2. Resigned all of our productive free agents
3. Lost STU coach, but maintained the STU (see #2), one of the best in football
4. Drafted what looks to be a promising young safety out of nowhere, a speedster who also happens to be one of the smarter collegiate players, and a big play receiver in the 4th
5. Avoided missteps, blunders, embarrasment, outrageousness.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Priestj Ill give nhamdi the better cover skills but no way he can tackle like Woodson guy rarely ever missed guys and sure seem to cause a lot of fumbles, if not for a bs tuck call Woodson would have made one of the greatest defensive plays in Raiders history damn Im getting pissed even thinking about it we should have Woodsnon and Nhamdi that would be almost like Hayes and Haynes.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 20th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
Dude…troll — Don’t even start with the “Nnamdi said he was a leader” thing, and you’ll take his word for it. Nnamdi says lots of good things about the positive things CW has done for him (it’s a loyalty trait you could learn from, btw).
BUT…If you knew a fraction about what you profess to, you’d already know CWood himself says he doesn’t do the little things that coaches and teammates sometimes expect from him. He even says he does “more” of those things in GB than he did in Oakland.
The kinds of things that make distinguish between stars and superstars in this league shouldn’t need to be pulled out of a player involuntarily. Good guy and good player do not equal great leader.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:27 pm
cannot stress #5 enough. Biggest non-headline: the Raiders cut Stryker Sulak and Frantz Joseph.
I’ll take it.
Besides, if he doent catch on around the league, Sulak always has a future as a space pirate somewhere with that name.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Charles Woodson. Walked it like he talked it. So, badmouthing him because he had enough of Al Davis is beneath me.
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5× Pro Bowl selection (1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2008)
2× All-Pro selection (1999, 2001)
2× All-Pro selection (2000, 2008)
NFL Defensive Rookie of Year (1998)
Heisman Trophy (1997)
Chuck Bednarik Award (1997)
Jim Thorpe Award (1997)
Bronko Nagurski Trophy (1997)
Walter Camp Award (1997)
Jack Tatum Trophy (1997)
Sporting News Player of the Year (1997)
Mr. Football Award (Ohio) (1994)
July 20th, 2009 at 8:30 pm
Like I said, I will go ahead and go with 21 on this. He said he credits 24 for his taking his game to a new level. Heard it right out of his mouth, plain english. You really think I would even entertain the notion that you know what your talking about? You think WAY too highly of yourself. Its laughable that you pretend to know what Aso is “really” thinking.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Dude…troll — Tip-toeing around his defense of Leinart. Lot softer tone tonight, Dude, after a few guys made you look stoooopid earler.
His “skill set” as you put it, is based on what you read in the scouting reports, and what you saw him do in college. You were defending him as a sure-fire NFL QB…then a little while later as just a guy who has a chance to make it in the NFL…
And — If you think Leinart is going to “step in” to any starter’s situation in AZ (barring a Warner injury), you be crazy, man. They’ve seen enough to know they need another real QB prospect in a hurry.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
So we shouldn’t believe what Nnamdi say’s about C Wood.
We should believe what some Al Davis fan says about C.Wood. Really?
July 20th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
I now know you are joking. LOL! No embarrasment or controversy?? Umm.. how about the draft? How about the rediculous letter that Al Davis sent to the U of Tennesee? How about cutting a draft pick before training camp and not telling the kid face to face? Wow!
July 20th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
I think if Cwood has a brashness or arrogance thats contageous, not cancerous and he did/does all that without being a filmroom rat? Wow, more power to him.
He was a Raider. When you have a veteran team that puts up Ws, you can get away with having a Charles Woodson goin out and playin gangsta. Everyone still maintains accountability.
Now a Charles Woodson on a rebuilding team full of youngsters? Probably not the same, but fck, do I miss him.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
Dude…troll — Ignoring what CWood has said about it is the height of stubborness. He said things talking about himself. Can’t be more direct than that.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
I love it!! Not only does this clown pretend to know what Aso is thinking but now he pretends to know what the whole AZ franchise thinks. LOL! How could someone be so dillusional. Like I said, we were never debating Leinarts NFL career thus far, I said exactly what I said above.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Never heard him say anything, doubt you did either. Your probably just reading his mind again.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
Its not about defending or praising Al Davis. He will be evaluated on wins and losses. So that’s that. His record is what it is.
In order to win here’s what has to happen:
1. Mario Henderson has to succeed at LT
2. DMAC & Bush are the primary ball carriers
3. Russell has develop the rhythm with his receivers and take the next step
4. Cable can’t be conservative in playcalling
5. Cable has to put the right personnel on the field (no favorites)
6. Chaz and JLH have to build on last yr
7. The front 7 has to stop the run
8. Pass rush has to be more effective (esp. 3rd down)
July 20th, 2009 at 8:42 pm
KK — I am huge fan of CW the player…I though he’d be my second-favorite Raiders DB of all time. I wish he was our Safety right now, meself. But, you — one of his biggest fans — know how Woodson was about practice, and inspiring teammates with his work ethic.
Woodson’s a fun guy (yes, I’ve even been in a bar with him before…shhhh), and a guy I think would be a great friend. Still, that doesn’t mean he’s a great player.
And, KK — His incredible college awards mean nothing now. Nothing at all. Ask Rocket Ismael what those awards mean in the NFL. Or any other great college guy who has nothing more than an average (or worse) career at the NFL level.
I do not say anything about Woodson that everybody he plays with, or objectively observes him, already know about him. That goes for you, too, KK.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:43 pm
Dude, like I said, if our biggest mistake was Sulak, I’ll take it. I don’t defend that decision. Get him in pads, if its not there, its not there, part ways at that time.
But its a good draft. Al always gets knocked for who he drafts. Just look at the last few years, guys like Aso and McFadden, hell – Janikowski.
The tuth is, its like any other team’s draft. Sometimes guys bust, somtimes you get some gems. Think of all the great Raiders that were produced from within.
I think DHB will be very effective. He wont catch 60 or 70 balls, but we can utilize him. And what about Mitchell? The guys a beast. The Bears wanted him, and they’re looking to rebuild a tough, physical D. When they found out we beat em, they traded right out of the 2nd.
Give a draft a couple seasons before you call it an embarrasment.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
I dont neccesarily call it an embarrasment, but thats the perception. What has DMC done to be mentioned with ASO? Answer: nothing. Cant beleive you actually mentioned Janikowski as a “good” pick. Unreal. How do you know Mitchell is a beast?
July 20th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
For the record — I never said CWood was not an outstanding Cornerback…so take that “argument” out of your posts. I think he could be one of the best. He blew it, and now I fear he’ll just be an almost-great. Nothing Nnamdi says about his friend and peer is going to make him a great player…that is something each player needs to do for himself.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:48 pm
Now Hayes has partied with CW! What, did he bring you along cause you are a great mind reader? Good trait to have with the ladies I guess
July 20th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
SnB
I liked Cable’s play calling as time went on.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:52 pm
KK, I thought for a second you could rise above the anti-crap and talk football. But you can’t, let’s see how much of Al Davis’s money did CWood get tired of taking? well everything is Davis’s fault not watch film the partying everything….
When a player goes public admitting he may have screwed up. Has CWood uttered one word of displeasure working for Mr Davis? find one if he did. Nnamdi said in an interview when CWood left that he wouldn’t follow his example. Not our words his but you want to believe what you want KK.
Everything is Davis’ fault and it’s beyond ridiculous. Whatever you want to believe go ahead.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
As usual, critical fans are in here telling the truth, priest and hayez are spinning away, and the season will tell the truth.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Janikowski is the Raiders all-time scoring leader and best kicker.
His career as a first-round draft pick is better than most other drafted with him. If his team won more (especially with his help!) very few people would doubt how good he is. Unfortunately, much like with Nnamdi, he pays a high price for the team’s short-comings…and it makes his own more glaring and painful.
With an offense, his numbers would be through the roof. I wouldn’t trade Jano for any kicker in the NFL right now. No matter who drafted him, or at what spot.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
C Wood was our shutdown corner, AND best tackler on the team.
And that play on Tom Brady in the tuck game was all heart.
He’ll probably slide over to safety soon, and I wish it was with us.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Cable’s smart, he just doesn’t have the backbone to run the team.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Janikowsi is one of the best in the business. Hes clutch. Hes got the biggest leg in the league, thats for sure, and hes scored more points for us then, um, anybody.
Think of the kicking carousel that goes on every year. Most of these guys are expendible and are counted on for inside 40 yards. We had a playoff team at the time and went and got him in the first, cuz that was our guy and didnt want to let him go anywhere else.
DMAC had an unhealthy rookie year. You give him a chance, Dude. You’re 100% correct when it comes down to production,, he hasn’t proven himself. I think he’ll answer that for us though and we can have this conversation again next year.
Mitchell I know is a beast because of the tenacity, the physicality and the mean streak I’ve seen out of him at Ohio. I don’t pretend to know anything about him prior to the draft, but I’ve read stuff from oppsoing players and coaches that would suggest this.
The Jack Tatum comparisons don’t hurt that either.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
Tooo many people that I know partied with CWood……..tooo many.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
SnB
I liked Cable’s play calling as time went on.
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It got better for sure. But he has to throw the ball more next year. Russell should be putting up at least 25 attempts per game.
Russell strikes me as a guy that wants to play. Let him throw the ball.
The carries are always going to be there. If they can get 30 carries a game with MOST of those carries going to DMAC and Bush…the offense should be fine
July 20th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
HD37 – 433
exactly
July 20th, 2009 at 8:58 pm
Ha Ha Ha, I almost lost my beer! MR talking about being a critical fan telling the truth. If you were being objectively critical (telling the truth, according to you), you’d stop acting like CWood was the Gannon of the Defense when he was here. He was a voice, but not always the voice of an entire team…which is what you want us to believe, after the fact.
MR…one of the biggest hypocrites on the blog, telling us he’s being truthful! What a load.
July 20th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Hayes,
Janikowski isnt a great kicker. Hes good. Good kickers can be had in late rounds or UDFA. He isnt a first round player. Plain and simple. They could have resigned Nedney and used the pick on a position player and this team would be way better off. For you to say you would take him over any kicker in the league proves you arent a rational thinking person. Your a fool.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
Ok La,
You seem pretty nice and dont act like a moron like the other two on here so I will just let you be hopeful and leave you alone.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Now Priest partied with Chucky W! Sweet! Hayes and Priest, couple of regular Raider pals.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
I don’t even think Russell needs to be this over the top guy immediately either. You have to walk before you can run (he finished crawling around week 4 I’d say), and soon he shall run the offense.
For the time being, though, anyone expecting Drew Brees or even Gannon numbers will be dissappointed.
If he can keep a higher completion percentage on fewer throws and better TD-INT ratio thats fine.
I challenge you to take a look at a guy like Ben Roethlisberger who was efficient. It actually seems when they open the offense to him more is when he makes more mistakes.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:09 pm
I like Charles since he was in Mich, and I’m An OSU fan. What he did to Boston and that offense was unbelievable. He was a 1 man team on a mission to destroy OSU. We lost to Mich, but I was a CW fan for life. Then be became a Raiders, and that was great for me. My fav college player that I have watched, and gets drafted by my team.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:11 pm
dude
442
deal
July 20th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
I don’t think Russell is ready to be the rah rah guy after only 17 games. I think he’s smart for not running his mouth.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:12 pm
Is it possible to be an OSU fan and like a UM player, yet alon have him be your all time favorite??
July 20th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
I wasn’t angry when we let him go. his production the last few years he was with us didn’t equal his pay. When he is done with GB, maybe he can play S for us if branch doesn’t work out.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
Not if you are a die hard OSU fan!!
But I’m a SDSU fan, and I like The OSU cause I lived in Columbus for some time, and I liked the culture of OSU, and Ive been to the horse sho3.
I also like USC, but not when they play OSU.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
That’s another thing about C-Wood, he played hurt. Leadership? shhhyyyt.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
My Dad was a huge USC fan, and his fav player was OJ, and he talked about both a lot.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:21 pm
Dude…troll and KK — Here, just for you two who keep telling us that Woodson’s a great locker room/facility leader…
A quick reminder from Gwenn Knapp, back in July 2003…QUOTING CHARLES WOODSON HIMSELF:
Woodson put special effort into healing this offseason, into being himself again. He arrived in the Bay Area about a month before the Raiders opened camp and went through tailored workouts with Thomas Weatherspoon, an East Bay personal trainer. Woodson hadn’t prepared for camp before this year. His spectacular talent always had been there for him, easy to access, forcing other people to make special preparations.
Coping with injuries is part of maturing in the NFL, and Woodson, who will turn 27 in October, has reached the stage of his career in which being a student, of the game and of his own body, is vital to being a superstar. “I’ve never been one to study a lot of game film,” Woodson said, “but I’ve learned a lot of things, just by playing in the league. You pick things up.”
He has great examples all around him, none more than his semi-namesake, Rod Woodson, whose intelligence and dedication have enhanced his raw talent a hundred times over. At 38, he should be out of the NFL or on the fringes. Instead, he was the salvation of the Raiders’ ailing secondary last year.
The elder Woodson has a reputation for knowing an opponent’s quirks, for seeing a play unfold before it actually does. That’s not telepathy. It’s hard work.
If the younger Woodson makes the same commitment, and tends his body as carefully as a Rod Woodson or a Jerry Rice, he has an excellent chance of returning to the elite — “the best of the best” — and of staying there.
He already has earned so much respect in the league that he has made the Pro Bowl every year of his career, including 2002, when he missed eight starts.
And he certainly wasn’t dreadful. He just wasn’t Charles Woodson.
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/chronicle/archive/2003/07/27/SP266862.DTL#ixzz0LrdJHPSM
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Now…will you guys admit that even Charles realized he has a few shortcomings as a lead-by-example type? Naaah. This isn’t the only example, but I’m not taking the time to show you more, because I know you already disagree with what CWood had to say about himself…he must be lying to make himself look bad.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
O
Ya, me too. Very similar story. I’m from Columbus, but moved west as a youngster and grew up here, but always for whatever reason, stayed a Bucks fan.
I was impressed with Woodson (like everyone else with a TV on Saturday) and liked him as a fan of football and despised him as a fan of the Bucks, but when we picked him up, I knew we got somethin special.
That play in Foxboror should have gone down as one of if not the best play in Raider football, like someone here said earlier.
Gannon said it calling one of the games in 08, that that game was really a catalyst for the Raiders current state and the Patriots as well.
To think how different it may have or could have been really, more than anything else, is toughest part part about being a Raider fan.
People can say what they want Al, and theyre usually right, but if you’re winning ike they were, playing Raider Football (real fans know what that means, its not a punchline), with that group and that coach…..
Oh well. It is what it is. Gotta play the hand you got now, and I like where were going more than anytime since about that day.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
Hayez, I know all of this desperate shilling for Al has driven you senile, but I haven’t posted a comment about Charles Woodson since he was with the team. Get it together.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:26 pm
I simply said he was a good influence on 21, based on what 21 said. Your the freakn moron who tlod us all you know more about what 21 thinks than 21 himslef. Based on the fact that you can read minds and such.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
KK — I never questioned his toughness, either…I admire his toughness over every one of his other traits except coverage ability.
But, if he would’ve been better-prepared for camps (by his own admissions, he was not), he probably wouldn’t have been hurt those last few years with us.
Charles Woodson should be one of the greatest of all time, not just a great player with a lot of respect from the league.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:28 pm
Dude you are a liar show me where I said I partied with CWood? I said I know people who did and I do, big difference. I don’t party so it would’ve been very hard for me to party with him….period
July 20th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
MR — When I post to “Dude…troll” I’m addressing the same person.
Funny how when I said “troll”…that you, MR, thought I was addressing you!
LMFAO
July 20th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Priest,
You are correct. I read your post wrong, apologies.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
LA,
I think about that game too, What If…..
The pats will still be a 9-7 team, maybe 10-6 at best. No SBs, and the Raiders could have won a SB or 2 with JG, and maybe 1 more with BC. (JG takes a break from coaching after winning 2 SBs with us)
What if….,
July 20th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
This is when you know Hayes is done. He resorts to the whole “troll” routine. Different night, same result.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Dude Says:
I simply said he was a good influence on 21, based on what 21 said. Your the freakn moron who tlod us all you know more about what 21 thinks than 21 himslef. Based on the fact that you can read minds and such.
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I never said I could read minds. But I know what each guy (Nnamdi and CW) felt, and said, about his practice and study habits.
And, what BHP said about Nnamdi saying he wouldn’t follow CW’s lead as a team leader is true. If you respect Nnamdi as much as you say you do, then you must acknowledge that what Nnamdi said had some weight to it.
Anyone who had been paying close attention to the team back then would’ve seen it, read it, heard it. Unless they were blinded by stubborness. Oh…and there we have it.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
“Teams will load up to stop Oakland’s run and some will succeed. Russell will have to prove he can carry the offense when that happens. The passing game needs to make big strides in Napa.”
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That gentle reader is the RUB! Great quote, and truly the truth….At some point we are going to have to rely on the passing game in order to make the playoffs. We are NOT going to be able to run it down the throats of each and every team all season long, especially against the Giants and the Steel Curtain…….
I hope they are already game planning for those guys. At some point JR is going to have to win a game with his arm and someone is going to have to win a game with thier Hands….We need 2 miracles this year to make the playoffs…Who is gonna make that play???
I have Miller Making one, Nnamdi making the other? Or shall it be Shillens?
Noone is gonna throw to Nnamdi’s side so it must be done on offense..
Lets get it done JR, your cannon will make up for some mistakes, and can carry us through the season..Its time to choose a target, open fire, and chew some ass if it aint caught…
Lets get it done boys>>>>>
July 20th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
What if 9/11 hadn’t happened, and the Patriots were not wearing Red White & Blue?
July 20th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Everyone has said we would’ve loved to keep him….somehow that’s getting looked over.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
Or — More likely…
The team was still pretty good, and had a realistic chance (we thought) of doing some damage. To others, not to ourselves. We all know how that worked out.
Easy to ignore lackadaisical attitudes when we’re winning. Easy to apologize for the guy, because he was one of the best at his position. That lackadaisical attitude toward preparation is ONE big reason why the team went downhill fast.
Winning starts with preparation. CWood and Alan Iverson must’ve both attended the same party, and discussed the relative merits (or lack thereof) of practice. Both guys’ careers suffered for it.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
KK — Now are YOU saying there was a conspiracy against the Raiders? Even I, the biggest Al fan on earth, doesn’t believe all the conspiracy talk. I do know a snow job when I see it, though.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Listen very carefully fool….. I heard with my own 2 ears 21 say how much Chucky W did for his career. Period. End of conversation. STFU
July 20th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
Platitudes.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
kk
465
lol
July 20th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
It really pissed me off when he left to GB but sooner or later something had to give. I’d take him back tomorrow. Even sooner a helluvaplaya!!!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
KK, Dude…troll — Any response to what CWood was quoted as saying…from his own mouth?
Tell me again that I claim to read minds. What I do is tell it the way THEY tell it, and I wouldn’t presume to speak for them. Like you, I’ve got the right to interpret what I read. Unlike you, I can actually make sense of what I read.
When somebody says they didn’t prepare correctly for half his career, I’d say we should listen to him.
What’s that? Then you’d lose your argument, so we can’t look at facts? Well, we ll already know that.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
He was King of the Locker room, and spoke his mind. I think that had something to do with his departure.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
And Dude…troll goes down in flames.
Tooo easy.
At least KK decided to back out of the discussion…because at least he was “smart” enough to realize CWood’s own comments proved you guys were defending an indefensible position.
Now, that we’ve got the facts straight, I’ll take your kind advice and stfu about it. If you do.
July 20th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
KK,
Post 465, I think about that too! lol
July 20th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Duh, KK — It had EVERYthing to do with his departure. His attitude affected everybody, and when it soured, it soured a lot with it. C-ya, C-Wood. Was glad to have known you.
Next!
July 20th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
I heard Nnamdi on NFLN saying that he talks to CW and RW all the time for advice. And CW and RW were mentors to him. As Dude said.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:00 pm
What are you arguing exactly? Did I ever say he was a great leader of the team? I said I had never heard him say that stuff about himself and that he obviously was a good influence on 21 based ONLY on what came out of 21s mouth.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:01 pm
I think last time we tagged him at 11.6 mil. His production wasn’t worth that contract. He needed a fresh start, a new team. I wish him the best, and I hope he plays S for us if we need him to. He can play both S positions, but I’ll have him play FS and MM at strong.
Nnamdi and CJ at CBs!!
I should stop now. lol
July 20th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
Dan Pompei on Woodson
July 29,2006
The Packers signed the former Raider to a big free agent contract in the offseason with the hope that he would be a leader, even though that wasn’t his reputation in Oakland. McCarthy was trying to emphasize that all his players take part in the offseason conditioning program.
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Naaah…Nobody else thinks Woodson wasn’t the leader he could’ve been.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:08 pm
O — It was the preposterous claim that CW was a “leader” by example. Not that CW was a good influence on his friend Nnamdi.
Me saying he didn’t live up to his potential (even when he plays well) apparently struck a nerve. Maybe that kind of criticism is what CWood needs TO reach his potential for his full career.
I know I try to improve whenever trolls and KK criticize me. Right!
July 20th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Hayes,
Answer my question you little bitch.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:11 pm
KK, have you ever been in that lockerroom?? You’re giving way too much credit to CWood. Tim Brown was the king if there was such a thing. And if anyone spoke their mind it was Tim by far.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:15 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
And Dude…troll goes down in flames.
……
Kind of like the Raiders, post Gruden.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Hell, truth be told Tim damn near had as much power as the HC. The administration knew that too. Norv Turner had to get rid of Tim for that very reason.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
I though Gannon was the king of that locker room! lol
July 20th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Hayez, that’s it. You nailed it. There’s only one person who comments here that doesn’t like Al Davis. And he posts under Dude, MaddenRaider, Kell, MistaBrown….
There’s no chance, no chance whatsoever, Hayez, that maybe there just might be more than one Al hater in here>? Isn’t it funny that your far fetched belief that there is only one person in here who hates Al Davis is akin to your far fetched belief that the current Raider team has a chance?
July 20th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Hayes,
Thats what I thought.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Norv Turner got rid of Tim Brown, now…
Or, priest, maybe it was the guy who said he doesn’t like black players from Notre Dame?
July 20th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
Hayes,
I didn’t see CW as much of a leader. I think it was Gannon and Tim on offensezc and Greg B was the leader on D. IMHO
July 20th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Yeah, NO Raider fan wishes Al would head out to pasture. NONE. Only the ones who actually care about winning as opposed to carrying on some archaic, silly reputation.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
More on CWood:
onmilwaukee.com
June 10, 2008
When the veteran cornerback signed with the Packers before the 2006 season, he did so essentially because he had no better offers. Or, more accurately, no other offers. After playing for years with the Oakland Raiders, he did not exactly put forth maximum effort to fit in with his new team in pro sports’ smallest market.
All that has changed, however, as Woodson prepares for his third year in Green Bay. He’s even shown up for most of the voluntary organized team activity (OTA) practices after not attending a single one his first two years, preferring instead to work out on his own in Houston.
“Usually, I work out in Houston as everybody knows. A lot of times, it’s one-on-one work — there’s other guys there, but I’m motivated enough to do things on my own, working out by myself,” Woodson said. “I kind of felt like I just need to be around the team. So I let the coaches know I’d be coming back up here, and here I am. So I’m pretty much here now. I’ll get it done around here.”
Actually, Woodson is getting a lot done around here. In fact, he’ll be at Bacchus tonight, pouring his self-made wine, which he’s been promoting throughout the off-season.
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OMC: The first two years in Green Bay, you didn’t come to a single OTA practice. What changed? Is this an indicator of how you feel about this place, that you’re actually here?
CW: You know, things evolve. They either evolve for the better or they evolve for the worse. And my time here has been good. Of course, I’ve said all along that the transition was a little rocky at first. Just because I’m coming from a totally different place. It was a little rough, but once I got to know people and people got to know me. Either you like me or you don’t like me, but I’m going to be myself. So once that part of it got out of the way and people started to watch me play football, a few people know what I do business-wise, things started to smooth out a little bit.
OMC: What made it so rough to begin with?
CW: I probably made it rough — just myself.
OMC: Why? You wanted to do your own thing?
CW: I’m ALWAYS going to do my own thing. And I’m just one of those people who, I’m not going to just do something. I need to know why I’m being told to do something. I am one of those people. That’s the truth.
And if I don’t think it’s right, I’m definitely not going to do it. So it doesn’t matter if you’re the coach or whatever, if that’s not what I feel … especially if I know it ain’t right, then of course we’re going to have problems. When I first got here, those instances came up. Just practice and how I feel something should work and how it shouldn’t work. I’m not a very vocal person, but if I don’t like something and I’m a part of it, I have to say something.
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And that’s all I have to say about CWood. Finally. I hope.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Funny, I’m yet to hear TB come out and bash Norv Turner, but he did say recently that Al Davis told him he didn’t like black players from Notre Dame. So, who’s more likely to have ousted Brown?
July 20th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
That’s right, Dude. But wait, why are we talking to each other, Dude? We’re the same person. LOL.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
I also post under the names kool kell and mistabrown. There’s about 7 or so other names I post under, too. If you see someone bashing Al, it’s me. Every single time. Because I am the only person on the planet who thinks Al Davis is a joke.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
Hayez, that’s it. You nailed it. There’s only one person who comments here that doesn’t like Al Davis. And he posts under Dude, MaddenRaider, Kell, MistaBrown….
There’s no chance, no chance whatsoever, Hayez, that maybe there just might be more than one Al hater in here>? Isn’t it funny that your far fetched belief that there is only one person in here who hates Al Davis is akin to your far fetched belief that the current Raider team has a chance?
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What are you talking about, MR? Dude is a troll. My name for him is Dude…troll.
I don’t know what convo you’re trying to jump in on, but you’re kinda screwed up right now. I never said anything about only one person being an Al- hater. I know better than that. I don’t even mind the Al-bashing, because a lot of it’s deserved. But, that’s a different discussion…than the one you are having with yourself right now (becuase I have no idea what you’re trying to argue). Go back to the sidelines.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
MR,, just how far out of touch with this team are you? anyone who’s a real Raider fan knows Mr Davis fought to keep Tim Brown well past his prime. Tim couldn’t even run anymore. yet Mr Davis felt loyal to Tim because of his leadership and example. That’s also why he kept Nnamdi which a lot of people said he couldn’t do. Where is Nnamdi?
You obviously are NOT a Raider fan………period
July 20th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
But, MR — We ALL know YOU are a troll. No Matter what you tell us otherwise!
I’ll let you know next time we have a discussion you might have a clue about, MR.
That may take awhile, though.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Hayez, go back to the sideline? Is that your thing? You equate what you do in here every day with actual sport? My god you need help.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Hayez Daze, this is Jerry Mcdonald’s blog. He, and only he, will call me a troll. Some dumbass davis shill commenter will not.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Dude, these guys never answer questions. I’ve got some, in case they want to step up and ruin whatever ounce of credibility they have left:
Since the Raiders are Al’s team, tell me, how did Al acquire the team? How much did he pay for the team? You know, since it’s his…
Is Tom Cable a better head coach than Jon Gruden?
Dude, bet you neither of these questions will be answered by Hazed and priest.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
Based on my anecdotal evidence, I would say 8 of 10 people locally want Davis to retire.
The out of town people aren’t as exposed to the Raiders and Davis. They only parrot 70’s slogans.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Kell, that’s a good point. A lot of Raider fans from LA like Al Davis. These are the same fans that started the silly costume thing at games. Go figure.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Watch any NFL films footage of the ’70s games at the coliseum. Blue collar, ethnically diverse crowd. Just jeans, flannels, and beanies. Oakland. Today, it’s a bunch of spoiled suburbanites with too much money to spend from all over California flaunting their silly costumes. The only diversity is that you get a good Chicano turnout.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
They convienently dissappear when you question their dillusions. I know alot of fellow Raider fans and I can say without a shadow of a doubt that EVERY one wishes Al Davis would put his enormous ego aside, think of the team he supposedly loves and step down.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
KK, what slogans?
July 20th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
MaddenRaider
I posted last week, that I’m going to camp Aug 6th with the Alameda Chamber of Commerce. My boss is a Director of the Chamber.
He says the Chamber has been notified twice by the Raiders, that anybody, approaching, speaking to or looking at Davis will be ejected immediately.
I think he knows what the locals think about him.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Mr Davis, Mr Davis, Mr Davis he’s a mean man. Oh woe is me! Mr Davis is a mean man. He wont let me have my team. Mr Davis is in the way of MY team. Oh! woe is me.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Priest,
510…WTF?
July 20th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
KK, if you could talk to him, what would you say. Be honest we all want to know? You’d load your pants for sure. lol
July 20th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Heres the great question none of these guys ever answer…..
Priest,
Al Davis and losing or No Al Davis and winning. Which one?
July 20th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
If I could talk to him I would tell him to change his freakn depends and funkn retire already! I hate the POS.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
KK, if you could talk to him, what would you say. Be honest we all want to know? You’d load your pants for sure. lol
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Probably
July 20th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
hahahah!! I knew it.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
I don’t want Mr Davis to retire.
July 20th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Dude, you’re really ignorant.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Just answer the question.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
Al Davis = Winning. The last years are bad, but Al has been the owner/ GM for around 50 yrs.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
No way in hell would I be presumptuous enough to say anything to Al Davis, other than it’s an honor.
I meet players here on Bay Farm and I don’t harangue them either. Just shake their hand.
But this is a fan blog.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Ok Raider O, thanks for that.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
Come on Priest, just answer it. Dont run like a pusc.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
The league’s constantly changing, and Al has not = winning in 6 years. It’s time for him to go.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
The last 6yrs……
July 20th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
At least KK, you have a sense perspective. These young irreverent jerks don’t know any better. Your mother raised you right.
You make me mad with some of your wild accusations but at least you have a sense of history and what he’s meant to many people. The man is a true icon. Something duddle will never fugure out.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Raider O, what would you say about an NFL team other than the Raiders who sucked for 6 straight years, made no moves in upper management, and had Tom Cable as their head coach? What if the Bucs or Niners were in this situation?
July 20th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Not gonna answer coward?
July 20th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Al Davis is a laughing stock, priest. He’s only an icon to his loyal followers.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Raider O is an admitted kool aid drinkn homer, cut him some slack, he cant help it.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
See MR, Priest wont answer that simple question. They never do. LOL!
July 20th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
It’s getting late, so I’m going to bed. Thank you for your time, and I enjoyed reading your posts.
Have a great night Gents. Later Nation.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Wild accusations? I don’t think so.
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Playoff Appearances by Team in the 20 years since Free Agency in 1989.
Pittsburgh 13
Philadelphia 12
Minnesota 11
San Francisco 11
Tennessee 11
Green Bay 11
Indianapolis 11
Dallas 11
New England 10
New York Giants 10
Denver 10
Miami 10
Kansas City 9
Buffalo 9
San Diego 7
Tampa Bay 7
Oakland 6
Seattle 6
New York Jets 6
St Louis 6
Chicago 6
Atlanta 6
Detroit 6
Washington 6
New Orleans 5
Cleveland 3
Arizona 2
Cincinnati 1
July 20th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
How convienent, Priest is gone. Shocker!!
Its deja vue all over again.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
BTW, KK not tooting my own horn, but having spoken with him many times. All yu have to do is catch him in a decent mood with some Raider gear on and he’ll give you a few minutes as long as their is no crowd around to interfere.
He’s not at all the way you invision him. He’s just very busy most times and doesn’t want to be bothered especially at practice. He’s looking for capable players that’s the only time I’ve been shoosed away. Or if he’s involved in a conversation.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Priest is a coward.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
I know the record KK, I’m talking about stuf lik the notion that he got rid of CWood due to being outspoken.
Anyway I would rather leave on a good note rather some challenge, I just don’t have the energy right now.
Adios!!
July 20th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
MR,
I would ask for change in management too, but MR Davis is special. IMHO
Akso, He is the owner, so he can hire any YM he wants, and he wants to be the GM.
I’m really tired, but I didn’t want to ignore you. Maybe we can talk more about it later.
Have a great night.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Not wishing ill on the corpse, would rather he just retire, but the day he dies I wont shed a single tear.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Dude you are a waste………period
July 20th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well done Priest!!
July 20th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Too bad he won’t give the local establishment a few minutes of time. He could have been so effective advancing his cause.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Kell, if not for Gruden, there’s only 2 teams with less playoff appearances than us in the past 20 years. And to hear these guys bash Gruden…
July 20th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
If not for Jon Gruden, the Raiders would have been disbanded by now. You can’t suck for that long. No credible pro sports league would tolerate it.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
The Cultists could care less.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Raider O, with a ridiculous answer like that, I wish you would have ignored me. Don’t do me any more favors. The point I made is that if any team other than the Raiders were in the Raiders’ situation, you’d be laughing your ass off at them, the way Raider fans with a clear, unbrainwashed head are laughing at Al.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Gnite.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Dude, did preist or hayez ever answer my question as to who was a better coach between Cable or Gruden? Why can’t they just say Cable, if they believe in his so much? Oh, we know why. They know they’ll get laughed right out of the room.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
They are idiots of the highest degree.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:42 pm
I was thinking, Dude, maybe THEY are the same person. They’re always in here around the same time, they’re always accusing others of being one troll…
July 20th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
Dude, did preist or hayez ever answer my question as to who was a better coach between Cable or Gruden?
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I answered this question hours ago. Here, I repost it for you:
That’s a dumb question. How can you compare an 11 year Head Coach who took over two pretty solid rosters with a couple of pro bowlers and future hall of famers, one of which was a Super Bowl team versus a guy who fell into the middle of a complete debacle, with no hall of famers and complete utter disarray around him??? How is that even remotely comparable??
There’s an old attorney’s trick. Never ask a question you don’t already know the answer to. Maybe you can answer your own question.
July 20th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
It’s been five minutes. You don’t have an answer??
July 21st, 2009 at 5:57 am
GOOD MORNIG NATION!!!
Rise and Grind!!!!!!
GALLERY to the PROBOWL!!!!
7 Days till they start rolling in!!! We have our selfs a ball club gentlemen no longer are the days of some child like almost bed and breakfast like offense!! the training wheels ae off and we have ALOT of talent!!!
THe AFC West is up for grabs and thats no KoolAid!!!
Heres to a run at the division that once belonged to us!!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!
July 21st, 2009 at 6:00 am
Oakglenn Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
“versus a guy who fell into the middle of a complete debacle, with no hall of famers and complete utter disarray around him??? ”
I think we all can agree that if Nnamdi and Zach keep playing the way they do we may have a couple HOF’ers on our Hands IMHO……
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!
July 21st, 2009 at 6:05 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,OAKLIFER,THANK’S 4 THE WAKE-UP-CALLHOPEFULLY THERE WILL BE NEWS OF DRAF-PICK SIGHNINGS THIS WEEK.GET EVERYONE TO NAPA ONTIME AND GET THIS TRAIN ROLLING.
July 21st, 2009 at 6:13 am
good morning Dirt Lot, OAKlifer …
July 21st, 2009 at 6:16 am
DLF: Jerry Mac reports that all of our draft picks could possibly be signed already. the Raiders just don’t announce these things for some reason. The only way we found out about Myers was through his agent on twitter. haha
July 21st, 2009 at 6:18 am
No prob DLF!!,Morning gents Whats Double R??
Man O hands it to ‘em in the PM around here nice to know we have some positive reinforcement around here!!! LOL
July 21st, 2009 at 6:18 am
HEY ROCKSTAR..
July 21st, 2009 at 6:20 am
[...] beat writer Jerry McDonald believes that, barring injury, JaMarcus Russell will be Oakland’s starting quarterback this season. “The background noise regarding (Jeff) Garcia’s desire to be a starter is just that [...]
July 21st, 2009 at 6:21 am
Michael Vick is free!
I hope he signs with Carolina or Jacksonville. He’d have a good opportunity there as backup QB imo
run-first mentality, great defenses, etc
July 21st, 2009 at 6:23 am
Gabby, get my buddies here some breakfast and keep the coffee hot & fresh
if my coffee cup gets less than half full i’m gonna make your manager wait on us!
July 21st, 2009 at 6:25 am
THAT IS GOOD 2 HEAR ROCKSTAR,GET ‘EM IN AND LET THE COACH’S DO THERE JOB’S,STAYING INJURY FREE WOULD BE NICE..
July 21st, 2009 at 6:29 am
STAYING INJURY FREE WOULD BE NICE..
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yeah, especially the rookies
Heyward-Bey, Mitchell, Shaughnessy, Murphy, Norris & Myers will have a hard enough time making an impact in year 1 imo. Injuries will only slow the learning curve. The bad news is that 3 of our top 4 picks have already been slowed by injury in NON-CONTACT OTA’s!
July 21st, 2009 at 6:31 am
What up fellas still shocked big Al hasn’t been talking with Vick ,Al loves one of a kind athletes.
July 21st, 2009 at 6:50 am
YOU NEVER KNOW NOMOREFARGAS, THE SECRET NEGOTIATON’S COULD BE GOING ON AS WE SPEAK.
July 21st, 2009 at 6:54 am
AZ Raider Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Ok MR, I thought we started over, but now I remember why I stopped conversing with ya. You just bash people without any premise. I really dont care if you think I remember, or if you think I’m a real Raider fan, or any of that… How old are you dude? 14-16 years old? You act like it here on this blog every time i hear your whinny posts.
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Classic.
July 21st, 2009 at 6:56 am
still shocked big Al hasn’t been talking with Vick ,Al loves one of a kind athletes
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I don’t think any teams will express interest in Vick until he gets word from the Commish on whether or not he’ll be suspended and if so, for how long …
I expect either 8 games or the entire season, but if I were the Commish I’d reinstate him today!
July 21st, 2009 at 6:57 am
good morning NMF, BSJ …
July 21st, 2009 at 7:14 am
post#544
KK, there’s a big difference between caring and responding to some silly question. Assuming I don’t care is your opinion……period
July 21st, 2009 at 7:23 am
#post 543 Is this one of the dumbest comments anyone’s ever read? Has he ever heard of Detroit Lions, LA Clippers, NO Saints??
Those teams have been horrible for several decades the Raiders 6years. The KC Chiefs and Chargers have a long way to go to catch the Raiders along with many other teams.
Some people allow hatred to cause them to lose all perspective.
July 21st, 2009 at 7:24 am
I am not one bit shocked that Al is not talking about Mike Vick. This year the team seems to be going after not just great athletes but great character players as well. Al could have got into the TO wars as well we needed a go to WR but it never happened. We could have took the “safe pick” in the draft on Crabtree we passed on the premadonna. I don’t know if Vick fits the profile for the Raiders anymore. After Hall, Walker, Randy Moss, I think AL and the Raiders may have learned their lesson.
July 21st, 2009 at 7:28 am
I said this before but since we are talking about VickI think he would be a good pick for New Orleans as a back up for Drew Brees. The only issue is Brees is a pretty accurate passser, which Vick in the past has not been. So I am not to sure how the WRs would react to his passes. But he may not be a bad back up. Heck I do not even know who the back up is for the Saints.
July 21st, 2009 at 7:29 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
hope everyone is good.I havent been able 2 write because I moved to a dead area and am wauting 4 the cable company 2 hook me up.But I think of you guys every day.Is da 408 back on yet???Yep I now live on the boundry line of a 50,000 acre preserve and can kill all the hogs I want!!! Well I will write later and I cant wait 4 season. Just wanted 2 let you guys know Im still alive
GO RAAAAIDEEEERS!!!
July 21st, 2009 at 7:29 am
There goes Jerry again saying Russell was not at the last day of minicamp when their are pictures of him attending the last day on the Raiders web site. Jerry if you can’t back up your reports with facts then please don’t stoop so low that your follow Lombardi to the anti-Raider koolaid stand.
July 21st, 2009 at 7:34 am
Morning all,
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Raider O, with a ridiculous answer like that, I wish you would have ignored me. Don’t do me any more favors. The point I made is that if any team other than the Raiders were in the Raiders’ situation, you’d be laughing your ass off at them, the way Raider fans with a clear, unbrainwashed head are laughing at Al.
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They laughed at Arizona and Atlanta before last season. I don’t see them laughing now. I don’t think they will be laughing at the Raiders after the season either.
July 21st, 2009 at 7:37 am
Is that true Redneck are there pix of Russell at the final day?
July 21st, 2009 at 7:38 am
I think Russell missing one OTA is so overrated anyway.
These OTAs are so blown out of proportion. No fan use to give d@mn about OTAs until blogs, ESPN/MSNBC hour by hour sports reporting and twitter. He missed one OTA who really gives a rat’s @$$!!!!!
July 21st, 2009 at 7:39 am
Dude Says:
Not wishing ill on the corpse, would rather he just retire, but the day he dies I wont shed a single tear.
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The Dude: F*ck sympathy! I don’t need your f*ckin’ sympathy, man, I need my f*cking johnson!
Donny: What do you need that for, Dude?
July 21st, 2009 at 7:39 am
Yes, they may not be posted still, but If I can find my comments on this in a previous blog I provided a link.
July 21st, 2009 at 7:47 am
Point well taken CJ but the media has made such an issue of this that if it’s not true then what the hell are they talking about ?? If a poster on this blog can proof positive evidence of his presence then what the hell is Jerry’s problem???
Jerry is the beat writer for this team and the blogger how does he NOT know this and puts out this blog??
I have a real problem with that!!!
July 21st, 2009 at 7:53 am
good morning CJ, TW, Redneck, Exla …
4eva is alive! we miss you brother! kill them hogs man. LOL. I know i’d be having a blast
take care friend
July 21st, 2009 at 7:55 am
I said this before but since we are talking about VickI think he would be a good pick for New Orleans as a back up for Drew Brees.
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I don’t think Vick can beat out Joey Harrington & Mark Brunell after 2 years in the slammer, but I think he’d be an upgrade over guys like Todd Bouman & Paul Smith in Jax and Josh McCown & Matt Moore in Carolina …
July 21st, 2009 at 7:58 am
Vick is a Douche
July 21st, 2009 at 7:59 am
Dude Says:
Listen very carefully fool….. I heard with my own 2 ears 21 say how much Chucky W did for his career. Period. End of conversation. STFU
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Has the whole world gone crazy? Am I the only one around here who gives a sh!t about the rules? Mark it zero! Shut the f^ck up, Donny!
July 21st, 2009 at 8:00 am
I am not one bit shocked that Al is not talking about Mike Vick. This year the team seems to be going after not just great athletes but great character players as well.
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If Vick runs a 4.3 forty Al Davis will find a place for him on this team. LOL
Javon Walker & Khalif Barnes have a laundry list of issues. Tommy Kelly got a DUI last year and refused to stand for the national anthem or salute the flag (something of that nature). Andrew Walter & Derrick Burgess are both disgruntled and AWOL for anything voluntary. Fargas was in a rap video that promotes smoking w33d. not everybody on this team is clean as a whistle.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:03 am
If Vick is a d-bag for dog fighting, what does that mean Brandon Marshall, Michael Boley, Cornell Green, etc are for abusing women ???
July 21st, 2009 at 8:03 am
Any NFL player is lucky to be just just that… Professional athletes have it made, so any one of them that does anything remotely illegal that puts thier career at risk, should have it stripped away for a long time, and in Vicks case FOR EVER! C’mon, if he is THAT stupid why waste a roster spot on ANY team, when there are athletes more deserving out there.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:03 am
Wow, RR, I would promote smoking 44 double Ds!!
July 21st, 2009 at 8:04 am
RR,
Douche bags too…
July 21st, 2009 at 8:07 am
Good Morning Nation.
It’s nice to see you post again 4eva.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:07 am
I would promote smoking 44 double Ds!!
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I think JaMarcus smokes with rolled up greasy McDonalds wrappers …
At least he doesn’t slip on them and get injured in the offseason (haha. B Marshall is such a drama queen)
July 21st, 2009 at 8:08 am
I’m just saying… The Plaxico thing is weak though. With all the attacks on pro athletes, they should be able to arm themselves, but do it legally! In Plax’s case, he should get off with a heafty fine (slap on the wrist), and get back on the field.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:08 am
Brandon Marshall, busted how many times? When it came to suspention last year Pat Bowlen must have smoked Goodell’s p@le to get it reduced!! How did he do that??
The guy was in it for 4 seperate incidents!!??
July 21st, 2009 at 8:09 am
AZ: for life? what are you, part of PETA?
dog fighting has nothing to do with football.
as Raider O would say “LEGALIZE IT!!!”
btw, good morning O
July 21st, 2009 at 8:10 am
The Plaxico thing is weak though. With all the attacks on pro athletes, they should be able to arm themselves, but do it legally! In Plax’s case, he should get off with a heafty fine (slap on the wrist), and get back on the field.
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Agreed. Tank Johnson too
July 21st, 2009 at 8:12 am
RR,
dogfighting is disgusting bro! ICK! Im no actavist but come on!?
Football related or not, Vick has a bad brain. There are more deserving athletes out there…
July 21st, 2009 at 8:12 am
Brandon Marshall, busted how many times? When it came to suspention last year Pat Bowlen must have smoked Goodell’s p@le to get it reduced!! How did he do that??
The guy was in it for 4 seperate incidents!!??
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I know. that was more donkey favoritism than the democratic party showed Obama!
July 21st, 2009 at 8:14 am
In Plax’s case, he should get off with a heafty fine (slap on the wrist), and get back on the field.
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Goodell should offer him reinstatement if he shoots himself in the other thigh volintatily. Just for being STUPID enough to hide his gun in an elastic jogging pants waist band!!
?!??
July 21st, 2009 at 8:15 am
Jeremy Newberry just annouced his retirement.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:15 am
dog fighting, c0ck fighting, fish fighting … it’s all the same in my book. animals are material possessions imo. you should be able to do what you please with them.
every time I see a hot chick with one of those chihuahua’s in her purse and want to pull it out and stomp on it’s head. does that make me a bad person? LOL
July 21st, 2009 at 8:16 am
TW -
LOL. Yeah, these athletes need to smarten up. What I would do to be that talanted and have a shot at an NFL roster… Bad brains.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:17 am
Jeremy Newberry just annouced his retirement.
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oh no! what are the Falcons gonna do without him?
remember how many botched snaps we had with that guy? he was a beastly run blocker though. made Jake Grove look like a sissy girl in that aspect of his game …
July 21st, 2009 at 8:17 am
All the Dog fighting crap aside, if we sign Michael Vick we can kiss any chance of winning in the next 6 season goodbye…it will mean the end of Russell, our best hope, and it will dawn a new era of crap football that will make the last 6 seasons look like a dynasty!
Vick couldn’t throw the football in his prime, and he sure as hell won’t be able to throw it after two years of getting butt fuked. He is probably bow-legged right now, so there goes his running game.
And we don’t need to try and convert him to WR or kick returner…we have enough young talent invested in those areas already, so why not just let them grow into success?
Signing Michael Vick would be the worst move AD has made since trading Gruden.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:18 am
chihuahua’s in her purse and want to pull it out and stomp on it’s head. does that make me a bad person? LOL
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It makes you racist against Mexican dogs!!
July 21st, 2009 at 8:22 am
RR,
Good morning to you too, Chihuahua Killer. lol
You know how I feel about the subject, so I will not go over of again.
Save the Animals we don’t eat, and Legalize it!!
TW,
You will be in SD tomorrow, correct?
July 21st, 2009 at 8:24 am
Dakota: imagine Vick in the wildcat with McFadden & Bush behind him. Heyward-Bey, Higgins & Schilens out wide. Thats a lot of speed on the field at the same time. We’d have at least 2 mismatches in that formation anytime we wanted to try it. The Raiders are a run-first football team and Vick (even 2 years later) is a much better athlete than Russell will ever be.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:24 am
Dakota Says:
All the Dog fighting crap aside, if we sign Michael Vick we can kiss any chance of winning in the next 6 season goodbye
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Is THAT what we’re talking about?? I thought we HAD our 6 QBs. According to half the posters here Garcia will start the season. Another quarter of the posters here say Southwick will win the job. Leave the Vick talk to the sports witers who say the RAiders will cream themselves over ANY reject ex-used-to-be.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:26 am
It makes you racist against Mexican dogs!!
Good morning to you too, Chihuahua Killer.
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LOL. you guys crack me up! wish I could meet up with you fellas tomorrow. I know girls in SD love thier small doggies though, so I’d be setting myself up for failure. I’d have to be restrained
July 21st, 2009 at 8:27 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 21st, 2009 at 8:15 am
dog fighting, c0ck fighting, fish fighting … it’s all the same in my book. animals are material possessions imo. you should be able to do what you please with them.
every time I see a hot chick with one of those chihuahua’s in her purse and want to pull it out and stomp on it’s head. does that make me a bad person? LOL
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Funny as h*ll, but yes, it does make you a bad person…
July 21st, 2009 at 8:29 am
Rockstar….like Cable has the ability to effectively coach the team up on a wildcat formation, lol. That is funny! Cable has trouble with goal line plays for crying out loud!
The only thing Vick would bring to the table with the Raiders is a bottle of valtrex and points on how to try and sneak weed through the airports…
July 21st, 2009 at 8:29 am
According to half the posters here Garcia will start the season. Another quarter of the posters here say Southwick will win the job.
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BSJ will be the one in the black hole chanting “Danny! Danny! Danny!”
Just like when Kerry Collins choked and fans called for Tui. LOL. except me. I knew Tui was trash ever since we drafted him!
July 21st, 2009 at 8:30 am
The only thing Vick would bring to the table with the Raiders is a bottle of valtrex and points on how to try and sneak weed through the airports…
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shoot, forget Vick then. sign Ron Mexico !!!
July 21st, 2009 at 8:31 am
4evaRaider Says:
July 21st, 2009 at 7:29 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
hope everyone is good.I havent been able 2 write because I moved to a dead area and am wauting 4 the cable company 2 hook me up.But I think of you guys every day.Is da 408 back on yet???Yep I now live on the boundry line of a 50,000 acre preserve and can kill all the hogs I want!!! Well I will write later and I cant wait 4 season. Just wanted 2 let you guys know Im still alive
GO RAAAAIDEEEERS!!!
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4eva, good to hear your still around. WOW, man 50,000??Bring one down for me. Goat Chow baby, BArley, Corn, Molasses!!
Bow season for deer starts in a few weeks.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:31 am
# Raider O Says:
July 21st, 2009 at 8:22 am
RR,
Good morning to you too, Chihuahua Killer. lol
You know how I feel about the subject, so I will not go over of again.
Save the Animals we don’t eat, and Legalize it!!
TW,
You will be in SD tomorrow, correct?
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I agree, animals shouldnt get hurt for our entertainment, only to make tummy’s full…
I rather stomp on the head of a PETA activist…
July 21st, 2009 at 8:32 am
RENO, Nev. (AP) – Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger has been accused of sexual assault in a civil lawsuit, his lawyer said, denying the claim.
The lawsuit was filed Friday in Washoe County District Court accusing Roethlisberger of assaulting a woman in July 2008.
Roethlisberger is one of nine defendants listed in the online court docket report. Further details of the lawsuit were not available Tuesday morning.
“Ben has never sexually assaulted anyone … The timing of the lawsuit and the absence of a criminal complaint and a criminal investigation are the most compelling evidence of the absence of any criminal conduct. If an investigation is commenced, Ben will cooperate fully and Ben will be fully exonerated,” David Cornwell, Roethlisberger’s lawyer, said in a statement released early Tuesday.
A phone message and e-mail from the AP to Cornwell were not returned.
Attorney Calvin R. Dunlap, of Reno, filed the lawsuit, according to court documents. A telephone message left for him was not returned.
Steelers spokesman Dave Lockett said Tuesday the team is aware of the lawsuit, and “we are gathering information.”
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Some chick is trying to “Kobe” Big Ben!
July 21st, 2009 at 8:33 am
:”if he is THAT stupid why waste a roster spot on ANY team, when there are athletes more deserving out there.”
AZ,
While I agree (kinda) its not that they are more deserving.. I think Its a talent issue…Frantz J. for exsample DEserves to make any teams final 53 but will he I doubt it….. Its a win eat win world out there and that closes alot of peoples eyes!!! however the man did do his time now he should be able to restart his life like any pohter rehabilitated criminal..do I like it no but is it the way it should be yes!!
July 21st, 2009 at 8:34 am
like Cable has the ability to effectively coach the team up on a wildcat formation, lol. That is funny! Cable has trouble with goal line plays for crying out loud!
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touche. I got sick of seeing McFadden take a direct snap from the I formation and hand off to Fargas up the middle for 2 yards. couldn’t they get any more creative than that? DMC, Bush & Curry could all throw the ball, but I guess having nobody to block or catch the ball makes it hard to find success, eh? plus the Fargas scholarship didn’t help either. he couldn’t throw, catch or run! Here’s hoping McFadden & Bush have improved their pass blocking skills and we never have to see Huggy Jr in the starting lineup again!
July 21st, 2009 at 8:37 am
Bow season for deer starts in a few weeks.
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YEAH! you’re a hunter, Dirty?
July 21st, 2009 at 8:38 am
good morning Dirty, LMN, Dakota, AZ …
coffee is on me today!
July 21st, 2009 at 8:39 am
Per PFT, when they signed Newberry, they cut Alex Steponovich. Guess that will be an interesting conversation with the Falcons. The mod did like my term for the Falcons. Female part of the anatomy. Rhymes with punts.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:41 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 21st, 2009 at 8:38 am
good morning Dirty, LMN, Dakota, AZ …
coffee is on me today!
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I suppose I’ll have to buy my own. LOL
July 21st, 2009 at 8:44 am
Hey Exla,
Is this lack of Lamar Odom news good news or bad news for us Lakers’ fans? Is he huddling with Buss trying to strike a deal, or is Buss shunning him?
July 21st, 2009 at 8:45 am
Per PFT, when they signed Newberry, they cut Alex Steponovich.
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if they don’t resign Alex, they could go after Melvin Fowler (Bills) or Digger Bujnoch (Bengals)
did ex-donk Tom Nalen retire? He’s probably the same age as Newberry and he’s a FA, unless he called it quits …
July 21st, 2009 at 8:46 am
LMN,
I hate PETA, especially when they destroy fur!! The anmal qaskilledfor it’s fur, and you just threw paint on it.. So the animal died for no reason.
RR,
Next time you come to Cali, contact me. I’ll show you around, and if you want I can take you fishing.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:48 am
I suppose I’ll have to buy my own.
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Exla: not true brother! see posts # 561 & 581
you’re always included and welcome
July 21st, 2009 at 8:49 am
Don’t kill Bambi’s mother, or Bambo. lol
July 21st, 2009 at 8:50 am
Next time you come to Cali, contact me. I’ll show you around, and if you want I can take you fishing.
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cool man. my best friend growing up lives there and my sister has a friend moving there too. I got connections. hehe. fishing? can we use dynomite ???
July 21st, 2009 at 8:50 am
There’s room for all of God’s creatures……Right next to the mashed potatoes.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:51 am
I got you EXLA! French vanilla? Black? Cream & Sugar?
July 21st, 2009 at 8:52 am
I am a member of PETA…
People for
Eating
Tastey
Animals
July 21st, 2009 at 8:53 am
Its 81 degress and raining! I love it!
July 21st, 2009 at 8:53 am
There’s room for all of God’s creatures……Right next to the mashed potatoes.
I am a member of PETA…
People for
Eating
Tasty
Animals
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LOL. Very Nice. we should go hunting together man, as long as you don’t go all Dick Cheney on me!
July 21st, 2009 at 8:54 am
RR,
That used to be my fav animal to hunt. Wild Boar/ Hog.
They destroy farms, so we had to hunt them.
July 21st, 2009 at 8:56 am
That used to be my fav animal to hunt. Wild Boar/ Hog.
They destroy farms, so we had to hunt them.
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I’ve never been. sounds fun
I’d love to fly to Africa and kill something wild with a spear. that would be exciting!
July 21st, 2009 at 8:57 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 21st, 2009 at 8:37 am
Bow season for deer starts in a few weeks.
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YEAH! you’re a hunter, Dirty?
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Yes sir!! If it walks, swims, or flys, it’s gonna die!
Yes, I eat what I kill. EXCEPT California Ground Squirrels.!
July 21st, 2009 at 8:57 am
Raider O, i totally agree!!!
July 21st, 2009 at 8:58 am
Rockstar,
I am not a hunter…nothing wrong with hunting and I fully support it…I just felt really bad when I blew away a Wood Duck back in 1999 or 2000, I have have not hunted since.
RIP Mr. Duck…
http://s-tiger.photovillage.org/photosDir/2363/thumb/800-Wood_Duck.jpg
July 21st, 2009 at 8:58 am
RR,
You want to bomb fish! In San Diego!! Military town!! With an Arab named Osama!!
What’s wrong with you? lol
July 21st, 2009 at 9:03 am
Raider O: like I said, I have connections
my buddy I was talking about was in the Army, but now since he’s out he has a civilian job at the Naval base.
he’ll get clearance from the powers that be
July 21st, 2009 at 9:04 am
TW,
You will be in SD tomorrow, correct?
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O, I’ll be at John Wayne airport at 8pm on the 22nd. Spend the night in Laguna Nigel. Be in SD around 8-9am on the 23rd. I’ll be available after 6pm or so. We might come back to SD on the 24th also so we can plan for Thurs afternoon/night or Friday. Sound good?
July 21st, 2009 at 9:05 am
RR,
Why Africa?
There are some here in Cali to hunt. When you come I’ll show you, buys it’s north of SD.
July 21st, 2009 at 9:09 am
Breaking News:
Man from Colorado falls in love with man from San Diego after arranging a meeting over an Oakland Raiders Blog. More on this story at 10:00.
July 21st, 2009 at 9:10 am
LOL @ Dakota
come on man. they aren’t 49er fans!
July 21st, 2009 at 9:11 am
TW,
That’s great. I’ll be available both days, so give me a call when you have time. I do look forward to meeting you.
My jar is full! lol
July 21st, 2009 at 9:15 am
Breaking News:
In South Dakota today a man has a nervious break down after blowing a Wood Duck. He was taken to the emergency room with splinters in his mouth. He later blamed the incident on quote: “Thooths damnth liberaths.”
July 21st, 2009 at 9:15 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 21st, 2009 at 8:29 am
According to half the posters here Garcia will start the season. Another quarter of the posters here say Southwick will win the job.
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BSJ will be the one in the black hole chanting “Danny! Danny! Danny!”
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…in a walrus outfit.
July 21st, 2009 at 9:16 am
RR,
My cousin is in the Army, he is a GB.
BTW, I’ll still kick his A.. lol
July 21st, 2009 at 9:18 am
LOL @ BSJ. If I was watching the game and saw somebody in the black hole wearing a walrus outfit I’d record that and send it to America’s Funniest Videos or something … seriously! That would probably also be the highlight of our season
July 21st, 2009 at 9:18 am
lmao! good one TW
July 21st, 2009 at 9:21 am
LMAO @ 645 & 642!!
July 21st, 2009 at 9:23 am
both my grandpas were in the Army
wife’s grandpa was in the marines
my dad was in the navy
my brother in law is in the navy
my cousin was a marine
friend was a marine
3 great friends were in the army
I’ve always been surrounded by military personnel. none of this includes ex gf’s and their familys and friends associated
I’ve always had great respect for those who have served or are currently serving our country!
July 21st, 2009 at 9:28 am
Be back later. Have to figure out how to fix the red ring of death on my 360. I’ll defend O & my love for the RAIDERS later!!!
Dakota, stay outta the duck blind!!!
July 21st, 2009 at 9:29 am
I would never shoot a blind duck!
July 21st, 2009 at 9:31 am
Daaaayum…I have work to get done but I really don’t feel like doing it….hmmm, time to shut down the blog and get to work!
Later.
July 21st, 2009 at 9:32 am
see ya Dakota, TW …
July 21st, 2009 at 9:32 am
RR,
I almost joined the USAF, but I didn’t like my odds of becoming a fighter pilot. I have a lot of respect for the military and what they do, but I don’t respect a Rep Govt that sends them to war when ever the feel like it.
July 21st, 2009 at 9:35 am
Later TW & Dakota.
July 21st, 2009 at 9:41 am
“I’ll defend O & my love for the RAIDERS later”
Why do you all think I’m weak and need help?! Is it because I say sir?! lol
Better defend me that insult me I guess! lol
If you are not the victim, then you are the victimizer!! lol
July 21st, 2009 at 9:45 am
I almost joined the USAF, but I didn’t like my odds of becoming a fighter pilot
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my cousin’s ex husband was in the Air Force. he’s the only guy I ever knew personally in there. He was abusive to my cousin, but I never saw him after he started hitting & choking her (lucky for him). She filed for divorce after she found out he was also cheating and she moved from Louisiana back to Cali
July 21st, 2009 at 9:52 am
Air force? If you are going to sign your ass over to the gov’t, be sure you maximize your investment. USAF may teach you a solid career, but they will not instill the discipline that you would expect from a military commitment. If you are looking to grow into a man, join the USMC (just don’t believe a thing the cs’er recruiter tells you).
July 21st, 2009 at 9:54 am
KABUL, AFGHANISTAN – A Taliban video of a US soldier kidnapped outside his base in southern Afghanistan nearly three weeks ago may prove to be a valuable bargaining chip for his kidnappers, according to analysts here.
The soldier, named by the Pentagon today as Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl of Ketchum, Idaho, has been missing since June 30. According to the US military, he was taken while outside his base in southern Paktika province, a restive region that shares a border with North Waziristan in Pakistan.
He appears shaven-headed and is seen wearing a traditional shalwar kameez in the video (see below), appearing emotional and nervous throughout its 28-minute duration.
“I have my girlfriend who I’m hoping to marry, I have my grandma and grandpas,” he says. “I have a very, very good family back in America, and I miss them everyday that I’m gone. I miss them, and I’m afraid that I might never see them again, and I’ll never be able to tell them that I love them again, I’ll never be able to hug them.”
After being prompted by one of his captors, he adds: “Please, please bring us home so that we can be back where we belong and not over here, wasting our time and our lives and our precious life that we could be using back in our own country. Please bring us home.”
Bergdahl’s father, Bob, issued the following statement through the Defense Department:
“We hope and pray for our son’s safe return to his comrades and then to our family, and we appreciate all the support and expressions of sympathy shown to us by our family members, our friends and others across the nation…. Thank you, and please continue to keep Bowe in your thoughts and prayers.”
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Why won’t Obama even call the family? I don’t care what you dems say, he’s a friggin doochbag.
My brother n law is in Afghanistan (helmand province) right now, part of the surge. If Obama acted this way towards our family I can’t even imagine how p1ssed i’d be !!!
July 21st, 2009 at 10:09 am
RRS, that article didn’t even mention Obama. How do you know he hasn’t contacted the family?
July 21st, 2009 at 10:12 am
Louis Murphy Scouting Report
Projected Draft Position
by FFToolbox Writers
Ben Standig’s 5/1 Mock Draft Not selected
User Predictions for Where
Louis Murphy will be drafted
3rd Round
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Position: WR
School & Year/Status: Florida – Drafted
Jersey Number: #9
Height & Weight: 6′2 – 205 lbs.
Ranked #67 on our Top 100 Prospects Board
Drafted 4.24 by OAK
NFL Combine Results
40-Yard Dash 4.43
Bench press 12
See All Combine Results
2009 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
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Louis Murphy, WR, Florida
Murphy projects extremely well to the next level and there is every reason to think that he will have a better career as a pro than as a Florida Gator. That’s not to say, however, that his time in college has been a bust. Murphy hauled in 37 passes for 548 yards and five touchdowns as a junior in 2007. In his Florida swansong he had 38 receptions for 655 yards and seven touchdowns, including the game-clinching score against Oklahoma in the BCS National Championship. The wide receiver is a significant home-run threat (as seen in his yards-per-catch average) and he will thrive on any NFL team that has a quarterback who loves throwing the deep ball. Florida, however, used a lot of gadget plays with Tim Tebow and Percy Harvin and rarely went deep, so Murphy was a bit overshadowed. With a rare blend of size (6′2” and 205 pounds) and speed (around 4.3 in the 40-yard dash), Murphy can burn cornerbacks down the field or go over them if they happen to stay with him stride for stride. He has first-round talent, but he won’t be able to overpower cornerbacks who jam him at the line of scrimmage and his hands are simply adequate, but not flawless. Right now Murphy looks like he’ll be off the board before the end of the second round in this month’s draft.
Last Updated Apr-06-2009 by Ricky Dimon
July 21st, 2009 at 10:13 am
Figured I better post something Raiders
July 21st, 2009 at 10:19 am
♫ The Number of The Beast ♫
July 21st, 2009 at 10:19 am
well, ♫ The Number of The Beast ♫
July 21st, 2009 at 10:19 am
RR,
Sorry about your cousin, and that’s sad to hear. Abusive & a Cheater!! Wow!
July 21st, 2009 at 10:21 am
that article didn’t even mention Obama. How do you know he hasn’t contacted the family?
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He said as much in an interview with Meredith Vieira this morning. I watched it getting ready for work
I pulled the article up on MSNBC’s website just now and they must have accidently left that part out. oops! right?
July 21st, 2009 at 10:22 am
Figured I better post something Raiders
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good job AZ. you got anything on Matt Shaughnessy?
July 21st, 2009 at 10:23 am
Its slow here today, I guess I can look…
July 21st, 2009 at 10:26 am
Matt Shaughnessy Scouting Report
Projected Draft Position
by FFToolbox Writers
Ben Standig’s 5/1 Mock Draft Not selected
Position: DE
School & Year/Status: Wisconsin – Drafted
Jersey Number: #92
Height & Weight: 6′6 – 253 lbs.
Drafted 3.7 by OAK
NFL Combine Results
40-Yard Dash 4.91
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2009 NFL Draft Prospect Scouting Report:
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Matt Shaughnessy, DE, Wisconsin
Matt Shaughnessy is the type of player that every coach loves to have on their team. He’s not only the hardest worker, he’s also extremely talented. Shaughnessy has been incredibly productive during his career at Wisconsin, after taking over a starting role as a sophomore. He’s another one of the new breed of college defensive ends. Shaughnessy is small, quick, and hard for big tackles to block. He seems to always be in the backfield disrupting plays, having recorded 33.5 tackles for loss and 11.5 sacks in his first three seasons. Shaughnessy might need to add a little bulk to play every down in the NFL. He plays at 253 pounds right now, and if it doesn’t affect his speed, could stand to gain 15 to 20 pounds. He is very alert, and makes all the little plays that make a defense great. Shaughnessy is excellent at using his 6′6″ frame to bat balls down at the line of scrimmage. He broke up 9 pass attempts during his career when asked to drop into coverage. Shaughnessy had a slow season in 2008, finishing with only 40 tackles, 8 tackles for loss, and 4 sacks. The Badger senior is probably a third round prospect at this point in time. However, if Shaughnessy can have a productive off season and run a good time at the NFL Combine, he could go as high as the middle of the second round.
Matt Shaughnessy had a solid, but uneventful week at the East-West Shrine Game in January. He made few mistakes during practice, but failed to really wow any coaches either. More than anything, Shaughnessy showed off his non-stop motor to potential employers. During the weekend’s game, he recorded 4 tackles, a tackle for loss, and even batted down 2 passes at the line of scrimmage.
Matt Shaughnessy ran slower than expected at the NFL Combine, but because of the unusually slow times all around it may not have hurt his stock too much. He only logged a 4.91 second 40 yard dash time, but coaches will be more interested in his effort and consistency as a pass rusher. He should be drafted in the late third or early fourth round this year.
Last Updated Mar-20-2009 by Randall Weida
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Here ya go!
July 21st, 2009 at 10:32 am
BSJ,
LMAO @ 660.
July 21st, 2009 at 10:32 am
In regards to the Asomugha vs. Woodson debate yesterday…
Woodson was my ultimate favorite and he was great but he didn’t focus. Too often, nobody would throw his way and then suddenly, a big play would be made on him because he just wasn’t into the game. He wanted to be involved. He probably would have made a better safety because he loved to take chances and that would have kept him in the game more. Also…as good as he was, I never felt like he could seriously lock down the best receivers. I know its tough but he couldn’t handle Moss. Moss slapped him around like a little girl and it was frustrating.
Asomugha is more complete than Woodson. Hes always focused, more determined and more intelligent. He can shut down his side of the field and pick the ball off when he finally gets tested. He rarely if ever gets beat deep the way Woodson would when he would bite on a pump fake. I don’t know if Aso is as good of a tackler but hes not far behind and he always gets his nose around the ball. I think Woodson was a better overall athlete but Asomugha is a better overall corner.
July 21st, 2009 at 10:33 am
Worlds set to collide for Brandon Marshall in mid-August
Posted by Mike Florio (PFT)
When the domestic battery trial of Broncos receiver Brandon Marshall was postponed from June 11, it was reported only that the case had been continued to August.
The folks at CompleteColorado.com report that the case is due to convene in Atlanta on August 13.
The good news? The Broncos don’t practice that day.
The bad news? They are scheduled to travel to San Francisco on August 13 for a preseason game on August 14.
Though the situation might be different if Marshall had been summoned to testify as a witness or to serve on a jury, Marshall’s absence is the result of his own conduct. The Broncos, then, presumably will have the discretion to take the position that the leave of absence is not approved, which would expose Marshall to fines and other potential consequences.
And that could be particularly expensive for Marshall if the trial begins on August 13 and requires at least two days of court time. Under that scnario, Marshall would miss the preseason game, which could cost him a full regular-season game check.
July 21st, 2009 at 10:33 am
New post.
July 21st, 2009 at 10:36 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 21st, 2009 at 10:21 am
that article didn’t even mention Obama. How do you know he hasn’t contacted the family?
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He said as much in an interview with Meredith Vieira this morning. I watched it getting ready for work
I pulled the article up on MSNBC’s website just now and they must have accidently left that part out. oops! right?
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You both left it out.
July 21st, 2009 at 10:41 am
Woodson was my ultimate favorite and he was great but he didn’t focus.
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the memory that sticks out the most in my mind of C Wood’s time in Oakland was when we played the Bears (2003) and thier QB got flushed out of the pocket. He got to the sideline and instead of ducking out of bounds Kordell Stewart trucked Woodson and kept going. got way past the first down marker…
Stewart was the same height and only 15 lbs heavier than Woody! haha. wasn’t like a FB or TE coming at him or anything
July 21st, 2009 at 11:57 am
Raiders going nowwhere if Al Davis sticks. Jamarcus needs to PUT DOWN THE FORK! Fatboy can hardly move.
Raiders go 4-12
July 21st, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Twocents Says:
July 20th, 2009 at 11:42 am
Saturday morning at the local golf course a newcomer approaches a threesome on the first tee and asks if he can join them.
The new guy plays left-handed and plays well so they invite him to join them next Saturday at 8 am.
The man agrees but warns them that he might be late but no more than ten minutes.
The next Saturday he’s there promptly at 8 but plays right-handed.
After the round, one golfer asks him how he decides whether to play right-handed or left-handed.
He replies “When I wake up, if my wife is sleeping on her right side I play right-handed, if she’s sleeping on her left side then I play left-handed.”
A few minutes pass and the golfer asks “What if she’s sleeping on her back?”
“That’s when I’m ten minutes late.”
^^^^^LOL!
July 21st, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
July 21st, 2009 at 9:52 am
Air force? If you are going to sign your ass over to the gov’t, be sure you maximize your investment. USAF may teach you a solid career, but they will not instill the discipline that you would expect from a military commitment. If you are looking to grow into a man, join the USMC (just don’t believe a thing the cs’er recruiter tells you).
^^^^^
Don’t know about the marines helping kids grow into disciplined men….perhaps making them into nutcases would be more appropriate.
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