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By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, July 23rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders released the times of their practices through the first weekend of training camp in Napa, and as expected, they will not have evening sessions.

In training camps under Lane Kiffin, the Raiders would spread out the amount of time between practices by having double sessions at 8:30 a.m. and 7 p.m., always followed the next day by a single practice in the middle of the day.

The reasoning was the time off gave the Raiders more time off to heal, and Kiffin credited the system with keeping the team relatively healthy during training camp under his watch.

With Tom Cable in charge, the Raiders are going old school. They will have double sessions for the first four days of camp, with practices at 8:30 a.m. and 4:20 p.m. on July 30, July 31, Aug. 1 and Aug. 2.

Ordinarly, teams will go in pads for only one of the double sessions.

The team is scheduled to report to the Napa Marriott Tuesday, with Cable available for the first time the Wednesday at noon on the fields at Redwood Middle School behind the hotel. It is at that time Cable will likely update the status of the draft class (they’ll probably all be signed, even if the club doesn’t announce it beforehand) and give updates on which players may not be available to practice due to injury.

The Raiders will have no practices Wednesday, instead having meetings throughout the day to prepare for the double sessions to follow.

Count it as another instance where the Raiders have been de-Kiffinized. Cable also got rid of the music which played during warmups under Kiffin’s watch.

The Raiders released no information beyond the first four days of practice.

The 49ers announced they will be in Napa for double sessions on Aug. 18 and 19 in preparation for the preseason game that week against the Raiders.

Practice sessions are closed to the general public although the Raiders often have groups visiting such as season ticket holders, advertisers and business associates.

The media talks with Cable every day after practice with team members available for interviews after they’re done working out before lunch.

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  • OAKlifer

    Now that Michael Vick is going to be allowed to play…hello, Raiders?

    Is this the joke of the day???? First of all we are full of fast athletes all over the field and have a stable of quaterbacks he wouldnt even be of service!!1 And Oakland isnt a place for a G from the dirty south that fights dogs and smoke Ganj…..trust me its a dark circle down here in the East O!!! Plus do we really want him telling prison war stories in the locker room Garcia (according to Owens) Might kinda like that a bit!!! Either way this guy Should be able to play again he did his time however I would pass on bringin him to the O he isnt who I want Jamarcus learnig from….another G from the South it could be a bad combo!!!
    Could you imagine the siging bonus Party???

    J. Walker: Hey mike heard you just inked lets do it BIG!

    Vick: Yeah !! Hey Javon you know any dope spots in Vegas???

    Walker: Ohh He!! yes bro I own that city!!!

    Vick: Cool I just wanna errr…well place a couple of bets I got a “buddy” fighting down there this weekend!!

    Walker should be cool lets see if Mcfaden and Jammy wanna come wit us!!!

    Vick: yup, then I can start mentoring him right away!!

    hmmmmm….Sounds Scary to me!!!!

    FREE MIKE VICK!!!!!!!!!!!!! In Minnesota……..

  • DirtyBathWater

    I like cables mentality that’s one thing the raiders need is mental toughness, cable pulling no punches im on board!

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    SOME TEAM IS GOING TO GET ONE HELL OF AN ATHLETE WITH SOMETHING TO PROVE IMO,SOME WHAT CHEAP IN VICK, IS IT WORTH THE RISK. WHO KNOWS 4 SURE..

  • Florida Pete

    one question…

    who’s gonna stop the run???

  • NoMoreFargas

    What’s up I think anyone only likes cable because kiffin was throwing in the towel and anybody would have been bette. He must have had the biggest smirk on his face when he called for that 75 yrd fg it was like he was daring al. Can’t believe this numnuts when to the same college as me and then UT hires him screw that jerk.

    Of course I hold against cable when I heard he was a celts fan!

  • DirtyBathWater

    Yeah im pulling for Vick all these self righteous people let it go he served his time let the man move forward with his life

  • NoMoreFargas

    No vick lover but other than Jruss I’ll take Vick over the other guys garcia is washed up, Walters is a never was what people are hoping for frrom charlie frye? I’ve heard a lot of buzz on southwick so i’ll give him a chance but those other guys no way.

  • OAKlifer

    a lot of buzz on southwick!!!!!

    Thats no Buzz my friend thats Bo’s Nephew!!! LOL

    Vick should be able to play IMHO……I just think he would be better served somewhere he can at least get on the field….unless he says he will play WR and he can catch I dnt see him doing anything in Oakland…

  • SnB Defense

    Florida Pete Says:
    July 24th, 2009 at 6:40 am
    one question…

    who’s gonna stop the run???
    =======================================================
    Tom Cable believes in Kelly/Warren/Sands/Boschetti/Morrison to get the job done.

    Have to give them the benefit of the doubt. I am looking forward to what John Marshall has in mind.

    The coaches say they have the players they need to accomplish everything they want to on defense. Better technique, focus on fundamentals and discipline.

    I will defer to the coaches on this one.

    Top 5 pass defense – Nnamdi & C.J with more pass rush
    Top 15 run defense – They have the pieces in place now.

  • DirtyBathWater

    Id take a chance on him as well dump walter

  • Dude

    SnB,

    Why do you keep using the phrase ” the coaches beleive in them” to bolster your argument for the personell on this club? Its a joke in more than one way.

    1) How do you know theyre happy with the players they have? You REALLY think the coaches would say a negative word about ANYTHING Raider? If you do I gots a bride to sell you.

    2) Do you honestly beleive Tom Freakn Cable had one iota of input into personell decisions? No way your that naive.

    3) Did you say the same thing last season? LOL!

  • NoMoreFargas

    Watched comcast sports bay area such homers for the niners they actually said hill is a great qb and the winers would have a amazing pass attack? Yeah that’s why the winers haven’t won shizz since they cheated the salary cap to get deion and then rice and young don’t let him hold the lomabardi god I hate the winers.

  • SnB Defense

    Dude,

    The Raiders have been waxing poetic about the incompetence of Rob Ryan. Rarely have I ever seen an organization throw a former coach under the proverbial bus. The players are all talking about the focus on fundamentals, discipline and simplification of the defense.

    Would Cable and Marshall want to get fired on purpose by claiming they have the players to be a great defense only to be a bottom-5 defense.

    I don’t think John Marshall, Dwayne Board and the LB coach would have taken the job.

    The Raiders paid those guys a lot of money so why shouldn’t we expect a top tier defense.

    I’ll let training camp sort it out

  • SnB Defense

    I also had my opinions on what needed to change during the offseason. Now camp is starting. Let’s just see how it all sorts out.

    If the Raiders are as bad as you claim…..then you will have more opportunity to say “You told us so”

    I prefer to look forward with a little bit of optimism.

    Its only a sport….recreation…..a hobby

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    TALENT WIN’S, SCRUB’S LOOSE, COACHES COME AND GO.NOTHNG EART SHATTERING HERE..

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    THAT WOULD BE EARTH SHATTERING..

  • Dude

    The players say the same sheet every year. WTF? Are you insane? Rob Ryan barked every year how bad ass the “D” was gonna be. Coaches on EVERY team in the league talk up their players in June and July. Marshall and the rest of his crew were out of work, THATS why they took the job. You really think they sat down, looked at the Raiders situation and thought to themselves ” Hell yeah, thats something I want to be a part of.” LOL! More like “Damn, I have a family too support, oh well, the checks wont bounce.” Bro, you usually are pretty level headed, you have gone straight loco on this one.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    24 Says:
    July 23rd, 2009 at 3:23 pm
    Dakota – Also…I don’t remember him blitzing alot btw.
    _______________________

    24, our LBers had 15.5 sacks that season…I think we blitzed. Compare that to the 2 sacks our LBers had last season.

  • Dude

    LOL!!! Raider fan accusing some one of being a “homer”. Now THATS some funny sheet.

  • SnB Defense

    Dude,

    Season is about to start and there is a clean slate. We all know the weaknesses on the team.

    I believe the off-season is for critiquing the roster moves…but now that training camp is about to start…let’s just observe what happens and what comes out of the camp and make a judgement on the team’s chances prior to the season.

    maybe Russell goes lights out…maybe he does a big face plant….its a new season and the team wasn’t as bad as the Lions….Let’s just wait and see how things shake out.

  • Dude

    I dont need to wait, I have years of evidence that tells me how things are gonna shake out on D. The offense is up in the air at this point, although I am not hopeful based on the OL and WRs. The D however will will go something like this: Will get gauged by the run, the safeties will will be piss poor again, teams wont throw at 21, Chris Johnson and Routte will get picked on every game, and when teams NEED to throw they will. Nothing will change on D just because there are different puppets in the show. The same “Gipetto” is pulling the strings.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Players I have great confidence in to perform well in their jobs in 2009:

    Nnamdi
    Lechler
    Condo
    Neal

    Players that are on the fence:

    Gallery
    Cooper
    Morrison
    Howard
    JLH

    Players I do not have great confidence in to perform well in their jobs in 2009:

    The rest of them

    6-10 unless everythig goes right….then 9-7 maybe

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Justin Fargas actually posted a comment on our blog!! He even misspelled his plast name to try and be coy!!!

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Silver-n-Smac Says:
    July 23rd, 2009 at 9:39 pm
    I read a couple of posts from people wanting to get ride of Justin Fargus.

    O.K., this is what I have to say about Fargus:

    That dude is bar-none, THE toughest S.O.B. that’s played in the NFL, on the offensive side of the ball, over the past decade.

    He is by far my favorite Raider. He defines what a Raider is all about.

    1. He has no respect for his body or well-being.

    2. He goes balls-out on every single play.

    3. Anything he lacks in talent, he more than makes up for in shear heart.

    The dude is a real-life Rocky Balboa. Give me 22 Justin Fargus’s and I’ll win a Championship every year.

    (No, I’m not Fargus’ family member. I swear!)

    I just love guys that play their hearts out. Raider fans should be proud to have a guy like that on our roster.

    And if you really look at teams like NE, they’re made of guys who really care.

    Justin Fargus should hands-down be our starting tailback. I love our other 2 backs, but, their hearts combined don’t add up to the human Kamakaze we have in Fargus.

    Go Raiders Baby!!! I can’t wait!

  • Dude

    People on here just want to annoint DMC and Bush as the starters, doesnt matter if either actually earns the job. Fargas will be the starter. Just like last year.

  • jhill

    LOL @ Condo!

  • jhill

    6-10 ????

    Kwame Harris if off the roster …

    Rob Ryan is gone …

    Those 2 things alone have got to equal more than one win.

    Uggghhh!

  • jhill

    The same “Gipetto” is pulling the strings.

    ——————————————————

    What exactly does that mean?

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Dakota, you don’t even put Jano on the fence?

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Bo, for safety concerns, I left the drunk kicker off the fence.

  • http://atm Raider O

    Dakota,

    Stop pissing in the Cheerios, people are trying to enjoy their breakfast!

    Good morning Nation.

  • jhill

    24, our LBers had 15.5 sacks that season…I think we blitzed. Compare that to the 2 sacks our LBers had last season.

    ————————————————

    See, this is why I question your Gipetto cliche.

  • Charlie

    I think we can count on this team to be in better shape, more physical and better coached than past versions.
    Say what you want but Cable cleaned up a pretty big mess that was handed to him when he took over.
    He has a clean slate and the players know what is expected.
    Guys who do not perform are not going to get the reps. If Sands is still lumbering around out there he will be cut.
    Way too much evidence from last year to suggest otherwise.

    I think our biggest problem will once again be stopping the run against solid Olines.

  • Dude

    Gipetto is the puppet master, Pinnochio. Al Davis is the puppetmaster…….

  • Dude

    Like Cable has any pull in regards to Sands or any other player moves. What exactly did cable do to clean up the mess? They still finished 5-11.

    What year are you refering to on the LB thing??

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    jhill Says:
    July 24th, 2009 at 8:18 am
    24, our LBers had 15.5 sacks that season…I think we blitzed. Compare that to the 2 sacks our LBers had last season.

    ————————————————

    See, this is why I question your Gipetto cliche.

    ________________________

    “your” as in mine? Hey dipschit, I never said anything about Gipetto. Damn.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Damn Jhill, well, at least you are a Lakers fan, so I can’t get too pissed at ya.

  • jhill

    I was actually talking about the DC.

    That was Dakota’s post about the LBs, but I would guess it was under Breshnahan.

    Point being, just like the offense, the defensive coaches can call the game as they see fit. Morrison and Howard publicly begged Ryan to blitz and attack more. The guy was in over his head, and it wasn’t a big surprise since he was learning on the job.

    Gipetto is a bad cliche. You are talking about personell moves, and it is NO secret that Al is the GM.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Lakers I have great confidence in to perform well in their jobs in 2009-10:

    Kobe
    Gasol
    Fisher
    Phil/Jeanie

    Lakers that are on the fence:

    Artest
    Odom (obviously)
    Farmar
    Walton
    Brown
    Coaches Rambis and Shaw

    Lakers I do not have great confidence in to perform well in their jobs in 2009-10:

    Sasha
    Powell
    Mbenga
    Bynum
    Morrison
    Asian guy
    Tex Winter (tragic)

    60 wins unless everything goes right….then 70 maybe

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Hey, minimum wage is going up….great news for Charger fans!

  • jhill

    WTF is your problem this mng Dakota? I’ll let that comment slide. You’re obviously sleep deprived or something.

    “Your” was not misused, so obviously I wasn’t talking to you.

  • NoMoreFargas

    What did fargas do to win the starting job those amazing 1 td on a 1yrd run how about all those amazing catches he makes, fargas get payed a good salary enough of this like he is some undrafted nobody he was drafted higher than bush and guy went to Michigan and USC he is a mediocre back who can’t break long runs or catch the ball, if so hardworking you thing he would be spending his offseason working on his brick hands. BSJ should I change my name to NOMOREFARGUS

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    jhill Says:
    July 24th, 2009 at 8:18 am
    24, our LBers had 15.5 sacks that season…I think we blitzed. Compare that to the 2 sacks our LBers had last season.

    ————————————————

    See, this is why I question your Gipetto cliche.

    ___________________________________

    Jhill, you can’t be that dumb right? You post one of MY comments and then you use the word YOUR…and you really can’t see where that might make some readers of the comment think you were talking to me? Next time reference the person’s name the comment is directed towards.

  • Charlie

    Dude

    There is not a head coach in the NFL that does not have to answer to a GM or an owner.
    Zero. None.

    I am amused by those who think that Mr Davis is the only involved owner in the NFL.

    You guys do not know have the crap a guy like Andy Reid has to put up with Lurie. Take a look at all of the veteran losses the Eagles go through almost every year to avoid paying for performance.

    Cable has been able to influence Mr Davis like no one since Gruden.
    Where is RR?
    Hall was cut in midseason.
    We resigned Nam and Lechler.
    Wilson was cut.
    Too many positve moves in a relatively short time to think this is going to be the same Raider team as in the past.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Bo, where do the Laker Girls fit on your list???…I’d put them on the fence…if not just to get a better view…

  • Dude

    He got drafted higher than Bush?? Who gives a funk? Obviously he is doing what he needs to do to be the starter, he started for the last two years. His numbers in 07 were pretty damn good if you actually look at them instead of just dismissing the guy as a bum and annointing DMC and Bush as the next HOF running backs. Hell, he put up decent numbers last year despite being banged up most of the season. The lack of a passing threat and general anemic offense is more to blame on his low TD numbers. How any so called Raider fan could bash Justin Fargas is absolutely beyond me.

  • Dude

    There are roster moves made every year, with or without Tom Cables opinion being made. Your out your damn mind if you think Al Davis consults Cable about anything. Your right, all coaches answer to owner/GMs, difference is most if not all coaches have at least a bit of say about personell moves, Tom Cable has none. Rob Ryans contract ran out if I am not mistaken, its not like Cable fired the guy. What world are you living in where you think a guy like Tom Cable influences Al Davis on anything?

  • Dude

    Check that, he was fired.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Dude Says:
    July 24th, 2009 at 8:42 am

    The lack of a passing threat and general anemic offense is more to blame on his low TD numbers. How any so called Raider fan could bash Justin Fargas is absolutely beyond me.
    __________________________

    Really Dude? Then why did Michael Bush and McFadden combine for 7 rushing TDs last season playing with the same “lack of passing threat and general anemic offense”? As a matter of fact, Bush and McFadden had a combined 208 attempts and scored 7 TDs, whereas Fargas had 218 attempts and score ONE TD!

    Furthermore, Fargas has had 698 CAREER ATTEMPTS and only 7 CAREER RUSHING TDs! McFadden and Bush matched that total in about half a season’s worth of carries.

    Only a complete moron would believe Fargas should start over either Bush or McFadden.

  • Florida Pete

    Dude Says:
    July 24th, 2009 at 7:07 am
    SnB,

    Why do you keep using the phrase ” the coaches beleive in them” to bolster your argument for the personell on this club? Its a joke in more than one way.

    1) How do you know theyre happy with the players they have? You REALLY think the coaches would say a negative word about ANYTHING Raider? If you do I gots a bride to sell you.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    isn’t this illegal ???

  • Dude

    Seriously, you can have her. 25 bucks.