Camp analysis: Defensive backs
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, July 27th, 2009 at 8:16 am in Oakland Raiders.
Eighth in a series analyzing Raiders position groups with players reporting to camp Tuesday:
Projected starters: RCB Nnamdi Asomugha, LCB Chris Johnson, SS Tyvon Branch, FS Hiram Eugene. Backups: CB Stanford Routt, S Mike Mitchell, S Michael Huff, Justin Miller, CB John Bowie, CB Jason Horton, CB Darrick Brown, S Jerome Boyd.
If Johnson plays as he did after taking over for much-maligned (and deservedly so) DeAngelo Hall last season, the Raiders may have the best pair of cornerbacks in the NFL. Routt appears resigned to being a nickel back and got on Tom Cable’s bad side with some attitude issues so he’ll be watched closely by the coaching staff. Miller stepped in and played decently last season but is primarily a kickoff return specialist. Bowie was beaten often during offseason practices when Asomugha and Johnson didn’t attend OTAs. Huff could be arrested for loitering, given that he is always hanging around where plays are being made but never quite gets in on the action. Horton and Brown are the kind of physical specimens the Raiders love and hope there is a Johnson-type success story in one or both. Boyd is an intriguing conversion project, having played linebacker at Oregon, and caught Cable’s eye during the offseason.
The key battle: Mitchell vs. Eugene. The Raiders want Branch and Mitchell to be their safety tandem of the future, and claim their positions are interchangeable this year from strong to free.
What I think: A good pass rush is always huge with regard to a secondary, but it’s even bigger where the Raiders are concerned considering their play at safeties. They’re expecting big things out of Branch and Mitchell, and bottom line is the former was a fourth-round draft pick who was hurt most of last year and the latter was an out-of-nowhere draft pick that some teams didn’t have on their board until the sixth round or later. A huge gamble, but one that could change the tone of the entire defense if they’re right.
What could go wrong: Mitchell has already had hamstring issues, both in training for his predraft workout and after he joined the Raiders. Johnson was almost too good to be true last year as a 29-year-old first-time starter. If he reverts to journeyman status, it will be a long year opposite Asomugha.
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July 27th, 2009 at 8:23 am
pray no injuries to this unit….uno
July 27th, 2009 at 8:29 am
It is time to consider the zone defense Al.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:31 am
Has Branch always been pegged as a SS? I thought he was a CB in college?
July 27th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Kell, LMN, Dakota & Jhill won’t be pleased!
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How the heck did I get linked with those 3?
July 27th, 2009 at 8:35 am
Jerry neglected to mention the MOST IMPORTANT FACTOR for the safety unit: will they continue to cover the whole deep field with one safety? That scheme is guaranteed to turn a player into a non-playmaker because there is so much danger in taking a risk.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:37 am
Branch at SS, huh?
Again I ask is there ANY example in the league of a STs gunner starting at SS?
July 27th, 2009 at 8:38 am
jhill Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Kell, LMN, Dakota & Jhill won’t be pleased!
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How the heck did I get linked with those 3?
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Imagine how THEY felt?
July 27th, 2009 at 8:41 am
no schit
July 27th, 2009 at 8:42 am
Ahhh, a fan of that trio BSJ?
Feel free to take my spot.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:46 am
I don’t think I’ve ever said two words to you, LOL! You must be upset that I don’t acknowledge your nephew!
To link me with 3 clear antagonists is what I question.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Quit crying like a little biotch Jhill…Bo was just kidding around.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:53 am
CUBS #1!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Dipscit, simpleton, and biotch …
innnnnnhale … exxxxxxhale …. ahhhhhh …. maaaannn
Back to back days you are trying to “engage” me.
I understand the sparring in here has not been up to par, but I think I’m going to let you sit on your high horse by yourself, as usual, and let you play with yourself. Think you can handle that until LMN or Dude gets in here?
July 27th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Internet personalities, lol!
You gotta luv it!
July 27th, 2009 at 8:56 am
New World Order
July 27th, 2009 at 8:58 am
RR,
Smith and Reggie Bush played at Helix HS. I’m l A fan of the Smith Family and what they do in SD when it comes to education. His father worked at Helix.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:59 am
#1 pass defense! DRINK IT!!!
Chris Johnson is the MAN!
July 27th, 2009 at 8:59 am
Just wakin up Pete? You were up WAY late for an EC guy!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:00 am
S analysis is way off ….
And if it’s not, we will NOT improve much. Hiram Eugene and a STs Gunner?
Say it ain’t so!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:00 am
What’s going on here?
Good Morning.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:00 am
My god Jhill, you better get checked for andropause…
July 27th, 2009 at 9:01 am
i was actually doing some productive schit this morning…
this economy is depressing… my business is down to 3 people…
i need HELP !!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:02 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 8:38 am
jhill Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 8:32 am
Kell, LMN, Dakota & Jhill won’t be pleased!
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How the heck did I get linked with those 3?
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Imagine how THEY felt?
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some funny chit
July 27th, 2009 at 9:04 am
I certainly hope CJ wasn’t a mirage last season…if so I think we know what Al might do with the #4 overall pick in next years draft!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:05 am
big word time … gotta look that one up.
could you help me out with definitions in parenthesis, you know, to save ME a little time?
July 27th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Florida Pete Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 9:01 am
Raider O Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 9:00 am
What’s going on here?
Good Morning.
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Bin Laden, the Unabomber, Jeffrey Dahlmer and Jhill won’t be pleased!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:05 am
Feel good about our DBs and RBs. Of course, won’t mean jack if the OL and DL don’t perform…..
July 27th, 2009 at 9:06 am
Bin Laden, the Unabomber, Jeffrey Dahlmer and Jhill won’t be pleased!
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LMFAO!!
Wonder if he feels better about being in that group?
July 27th, 2009 at 9:08 am
Ahhh …
Male o pause!
Not having any hot flashes … still making babies …
Naw, not there yet. And how old do you think I am? WTF!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Was it the Southwick comment that got me a death sentence?
Geeze, don’t F with BSJ’s family!
Ok, he can be 3rd string.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:13 am
Damn you Lamar Odom…
July 27th, 2009 at 9:17 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 8:29 am
It is time to consider the zone defense Al.
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Never. He’ll take man defense to the grave. We can hope that each new DC will bring a fresh perspective, a new scheme, but it will never happen. I’m just hoping for some well-disguised blitzing this year.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:18 am
jhill Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 9:11 am
Was it the Southwick comment that got me a death sentence?
Geeze, don’t F with BSJ’s family!
Ok, he can be 3rd string.
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You’re slow, but you get there eventually…LOL
July 27th, 2009 at 9:21 am
I thought andropause was that brief moment of clarity before you leave the party with the drunk skank…
July 27th, 2009 at 9:21 am
Ranking the Div.- for those who care
QB
1. SD – Rivers is still best in division
2. Oak- Depth and potential here
3. KC – What can Cassel do with non NE talent?
4. Den- Goodbye Jay Cutler, hello Orton
RB
1. Oak- #1 RB platoon in the league
2. SD- LT on the way down
3. Den- Moreno will do well
4. KC- Once a strength, now non-existent
WR
1. Den- Marshall is legit
2. KC- Bowe minus Gonzalez now
3. SD- All about Gates
4. Oak- A lot to prove
OL
1. Den- Team strength
2. SD- just solid
3. KC- Mix of old and young
4. Oak- Cable has hands full
DL
1. SD – Jamal Williams is a monster
2. Oak- need better production from DEs
3. KC- Even with Jackson, still no pass rush.
4. Den- Just awful
LB
1. SD – depth and talent here
2. KC- Vrabel help versitle group
3. Oak- Overated
4. Den- Non existent
DB
1. Oak- Al Davis pride and Joy
2. Den- Dawkins nice addition
3. KC- Avg at best
4. SD- last against the pass- enough said
ST
1. Oak- Lechler, Seabass, and JLH could be lethal
2. SD
3. Den
4. KC
Rank – SD: 2 Oak: 2.25 Den: 2.87 KC: 3.12
July 27th, 2009 at 9:22 am
Defensive backfield is fine the safeties were the only question mark and i think they fixed it in the draft the last 2 seasons.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:23 am
Dakota -
The other day I went downtown to run a few errands. I went into the local coffee shop for a snack.
I was only there for about 5 minutes, and when I came out, there was this cop writing out a parking ticket.
I said to him, ‘Come on, man, how about giving a retired person a break’?
He ignored me and continued writing the ticket. His insensitivity annoyed me, so I called him a “Nazi.”
He glared at me and then wrote out another ticket for having worn tires.
So I proceeded to call him a “doughnut eating Gestapo.” He finished the second ticket and put it on the windshield with the first.
Then he wrote a third ticket when I called him a moron in blue.
This went on for about 20 minutes. The more I talked back to him the more tickets he wrote.
Personally, I didn’t really care. I came downtown on the bus, and the car that he was putting the tickets on had one of those bumper stickers that said – - – Obama ‘08.
I try to have a little fun each day now that I’m retired.
The doctor tells me that it’s important for my health
July 27th, 2009 at 9:24 am
lol, good one Rockstar…
July 27th, 2009 at 9:24 am
How the heck did I get linked with those 3?
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Jhill -
all fans of BHP’s work. no?
(sarcasm implied)
July 27th, 2009 at 9:26 am
Has Branch always been pegged as a SS? I thought he was a CB in college?
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He was a CB in college. On the Raiders depth chart he was a SS behind Gibril Wilson last year.
not sure why!?!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:26 am
The biggest ranking in the division that matters:points scored or points allowed.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:27 am
I think coaching is about twenty percent of the equation as a general rule.
Belichik was not that smart in Cleveland.
Seifert was not very smart in Carolina.
Lombardi was not that smart in Washington.
Weis got really stupid after Quinn et al graduated.
Players are the game and you better have talent first.
We have been a bad football team for six straight years and an absolute embarrasment against the run. The statistics bear that out and defense starts with the Dline not the coaches.
We have some new faces at DE and we better get some new talent at DT. Do not expect a rookie SS and Marshall to make that much of difference.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:27 am
BHP is all right man, lol!
He’s a bit “passionate”, but he’s cool.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:31 am
Al thinks Branch has the hitting ability and speed to excel at the safety spot just like Nnamdi moving from safety to corner. Worked out in that case I would say.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:31 am
I can’t beleive there’re people bashing Bill B. in here… The tuck rule pisses me off too, and I hate the Pats because they are too damn good, too damn often! HATE THAT! But, you can’t say it’s not all BB. If Cassel come out and KC wins 11 games, I’ll say it’s not all Bill B…
July 27th, 2009 at 9:34 am
Charlie Says:
Do not expect a rookie SS and Marshall to make that much of difference.
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I don’t think you can get much worse than last year 31st v the run
July 27th, 2009 at 9:35 am
Charlie Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 9:27 am
I think coaching is about twenty percent of the equation as a general rule.
Belichik was not that smart in Cleveland.
Seifert was not very smart in Carolina.
Lombardi was not that smart in Washington.
Weis got really stupid after Quinn et al graduated.
Players are the game and you better have talent first.
We have been a bad football team for six straight years and an absolute embarrasment against the run. The statistics bear that out and defense starts with the Dline not the coaches.
We have some new faces at DE and we better get some new talent at DT. Do not expect a rookie SS and Marshall to make that much of difference.
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D looked fine against the Bucs and Texans last year.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:36 am
Good writeup ADHC. The only ranking I disagree with are the QBs. You can throw potential out the window. It all comes down to performance and both Cassel and Orton (sadly) had better seasons last year than Russell. Put us at the bottom there until proven otherwise.
I got myself all hyped up last year based on “potential” and “potential” up and kicked all us Raider fans in the azzz!! Tired of talking about potential. Show me!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:36 am
We have been a bad football team for six straight years and an absolute embarrasment against the run. The statistics bear that out and defense starts with the Dline not the coaches.
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Rob Ryan had 5 years. think we had the same personnel that continued to stink every year for 5 seasons? NO. YOU’RE WRONG. Go look at old rosters or depth charts. no matter what players we had on the field this guy simply couldn’t get it done. He was obviously buddy/buddy with Al Davis since they defended eachother in public, but he didn’t have Al’s trust when it came to getting new players along the defensive front seven? or were his talent evaluator skills THAT BAD? His system, scheme, technique, fundamentals, accountability, scholarships, etc whatever didn’t work. He stunk and he’s gone. He made Chuck Bresnahan look like a mastermind.
We’re better off without him!
If you’re for Ryan you’re either related to him or blind. so which is it?
July 27th, 2009 at 9:38 am
Chris Johnson for Pres.!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:39 am
Al DAVIS HAS COJONES Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 9:35 am
D looked fine against the Bucs and Texans last year.
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didn’t see the texas game…
but in the tampa game, i nearly had a coronary with our defense…
it was the offense that won that game…
July 27th, 2009 at 9:41 am
man im glad i dont have to read the words raiders-safety-steve schweigert in an article ever again. he was “illiterate” on the field and slow to react and stayed that way never improving until he was out.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:41 am
re: team rankings -
What a slap in the face to think that KC has a better O-Line & LB corps than us!
at the same time, i’m not ready to declare Russell is better than Matt Cassel or even Kyle Orton.
so we’ll just call the rankings “fair”
July 27th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Sorry, the D was bad against Tampa…if Caddy had not gone down with an injury we probably lose that game by 14+ points.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:42 am
Al DAVIS HAS COJONES Says:D looked fine against the Bucs and Texans last year
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If Cadillac didn’t tear his knee up it was going to be a long day for the defense.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:43 am
Dakota stay out of my head!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:44 am
but we also didnt have Aso against TB no?
July 27th, 2009 at 9:45 am
cause i do remember thinking what the fark is Justin Miller doin in there gettin toasted on one play lol. or was it the game before?
July 27th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Sorry Lynn, sometimes I fall down the rabbit hole…
July 27th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Fargas was out also ?
July 27th, 2009 at 9:46 am
LMAO @ 26 & 37!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:48 am
Mike Mitchell for Pres!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:50 am
Our defense was great the two weeks prior to the Texans and TB games too! I think we trailed 27-7 against SD at halftime and 35-14 against the Pats at halftime…with Aso…
How does Tom Cable have a job?
July 27th, 2009 at 9:51 am
Lynn from Snot Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 9:46 am
Fargas was out also ?
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If Fargas had played the TB game we would have lost.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:52 am
Banana,
I agree. Forget potential, Russell has to go out and win us some games.
However, at 23-24 yrs old, 1st yr as a starter, on a crappy team, im pleased with what I saw.
Bottom line, he needs to be more accurate. but we also need:
Oline has to protect better.
WR get open and make catches
DMC stay healthy
DE play better against run and pass
LBs fill
Safties get turnovers…etc
July 27th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Projected starters: SS Tyvon Branch, FS Hiram Eugene
Backups: S Mike Mitchell, S Michael Huff
The key battle: Mitchell vs. Eugene. The Raiders want Branch and Mitchell to be their safety tandem of the future, and claim their positions are interchangeable this year from strong to free.
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LOL! Mitchell was drafted to be a hitman, not a ballhawk. Why would he even challenge anybody at FS? M&M = SS, either starter or reserve. take that to the bank.
Huff is the most improved player this offseason according to both Nnamdi & Capt Kirk. He’s destined for a breakout year, but instead we’re gonna give Hiram “scholarship” Eugene another go? doubtful.
interchangeable safeties went to Cleveland with Rob Ryan. the only thing sticking is a 4-3 defense with man coverage.
Branch was getting eaten alive by TE’s like Tony Stewart, Darrell Strong, Brandon Myers & Chris O’Neill in the first camp & OTA’s. That makes me question his coverage skills. What would Antonio Gates do to him on MNF? Does he rely that heavily on being physical? that over aggressiveness will lead to jumps on pump fakes and pass interference calls. can’t have so many stupid mistakes that keep the opponents drives alive and the front seven on D worn out.
Huff has the best cover skills of any safety on the roster and Mitchell is a hammer. the next Tatum/Lott according to Cable. If these two are healthy and aren’t starting we’ve got major problems!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Losing ONeal and Griffith was huge last season for all our running backs and for the offense in general…hopefully L. Neal still has something left in the tank because the only way we win some games next season is by running the ball and dominating the T.O.P.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:55 am
With Justin Fargas and Darren McFadden both banged up, reserve RB Michael Bush stepped to the forefront and drove Oakland to victory. He scored the go-ahead touchdown with a 67-yard scamper in the fourth quarter and finished with a career-high 177 yards on the ground. His halfback option pass also set up another fourth-quarter score when it led to a Bucs pass interference penalty.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:57 am
How does Tom Cable have a job?
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he wore a “I heart Al Davis” t-shirt to the interview.
would you rather have Kevin Gilbride, Winston Moss, James Lofton, Rob Ryan, Jim Fassel or Don Martindale?
I don’t think anybody else wanted the job outside of this well qualified bunch. hehe
July 27th, 2009 at 9:58 am
BLAME RYAN!!!!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:59 am
Everywhere Lorenzo Neal has played the running attack has been dominate, I hope that continues.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:00 am
Dakota Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 9:55 am
Losing ONeal and Griffith was huge last season for all our running backs and for the offense in general…hopefully L. Neal still has something left in the tank because the only way we win some games next season is by running the ball and dominating the T.O.P.
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correct-o-mundo…
(bet you guys didn’t know i knew, uh, indonesian)
July 27th, 2009 at 10:01 am
What a slap in the face to think that KC has a better O-Line & LB corps than us!
at the same time, i’m not ready to declare Russell is better than Matt Cassel or even Kyle Orton.
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We ranked where in rushing O? Better than KC.
Russell is better than Matt Cassel with KC’s Oline, easily. Kyle Orton? We have 2 QBs better than Orton!!!?!! Maybe 3 if you ask BSJ about Southwick!! lol
July 27th, 2009 at 10:03 am
Losing ONeal and Griffith was huge last season for all our running backs and for the offense in general…hopefully L. Neal still has something left in the tank because the only way we win some games next season is by running the ball and dominating the T.O.P.
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good point. I have sort of a different spin though. Luke Lawton played a whole lot better as the season progressed and he learned the zbs. I certainly wouldn’t label him the weak link on offense. I’d blame 8 other guys before LL. Gallery was the only guy on the o-line I’ll give props to and even when healthy DMC wasn’t getting enough reps (as a runner or receiver). More Henderson, Higgins, Schilens, DMC, Bush. Less Harris, Curry, Lelie & Fargas. that would have made us a better offense imo – even if by a small margin. We might have still lost, but at least we would have been competitive!
I think Neal/Lawton is a strong enough FB tandem to carry us into the playoffs, but the OL isn’t up to par.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:05 am
because tom cable knows how to handle the players, maybe from his experience working with one of the biggest units on the team, the OL, criticize but also looks for solutions. he told them what they were doing wrong and they won back to back games again for a long time.
even if Caddilac was hurt, the second guy was not enough no more to get by. we needed the OL to cut down the flags and they did. we kept Bryant in check. JaMarcus saved a TD crushing the S on the INT return working the angles like a LB lol all that won the game not just Caddys injury.
its now you have to bring the best you got or you might get chocked by this team as the commentator described MBushes performance. just sayin. were getting there.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:06 am
RaiderRockstar :Cable wants the job, everyone else rolled their eyes and snickered. I’ll take Cable over any of those who would come here just to use the Raiders as a stepping stone.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:07 am
We have 2 QBs better than Orton!!!?!! Maybe 3 if you ask BSJ about Southwick!!
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TW: I was talking about scholarship, I mean starting QB. not a grade of QB by committee. The Raiders would have the #1 group of QB’s in the league by virtue of Southwick alone
July 27th, 2009 at 10:09 am
I am not a Ryan supporter but we have changed a lot of head coaches with the same results. It is one thing to be bad but we are and have been pathetic on the Dline.
Against the run we have gotten worse for five consecutive seasons from a yards per carry perspective. We have given up more rushing TD’s than any NFL team in the past six seasons.
All of this run weakness makes us vulnerable in all other areas.
That is not a result of poor schemes.
I acknowledge that Ryan was PART of the problem. My point is that unless we change faces on the line we are not going to get much better.
Tampa Bay was a good football team and a coaching change to Gruden made them great. Gruden went to something where the talent existed especially on the lines.
All I am saying is that our Dline talent is WELL below NFL standards and no coach is going to work a miracle with nothing but projects on the Dline.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:11 am
CantstandtheHaters & Lynn from Snot -
I was responding to Dakota’s question. don’t hate on my response. He’s the one who questions Cable’s ability at HC. I just asked him what candidate he liked better …
July 27th, 2009 at 10:12 am
lol me too RR
July 27th, 2009 at 10:15 am
The D line has been thin , no depth . You could see it especially late in games. They were gassed at halftime in some games. With an offense that was the worst in scoring points didn’t make it any easier. The defense has to get better it can’t get any worse.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:16 am
I am a big supporter of Russell (except when he is skipping training sessions) and I hope we as fans can cut him some slack for the upcoming season because he is not going to tear up the NFL in only his second season of starting. Hopefully, we see a game or two where he throws for 300 yards and 3 TDs (and we win), but I think big passing days for Russell in 2009 will be more the exception than the rule.
So with that in mind, I think you still have to put Russell at the bottom of the list of AFC West QBs. Even Orton is more proven than Russell…and Cassel’s one hit wonder season is still more impressive than anything Russell has done…..so far.
The Russell coming out show should be in 2010. 2009 should be about running the ball, and limiting turnovers to keep us in games.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:17 am
i think cable is going to be fine…
then again, i thought todd marinovich was going to be awesome !!!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:17 am
My point is that unless we change faces on the line we are not going to get much better.
All I am saying is that our Dline talent is WELL below NFL standards and no coach is going to work a miracle with nothing but projects on the Dline.
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How do you know? You’ve seen them coached by exactly one staff the past 5 years. You’re projecting that Marshall, Board & Haluchak = Ryan, Millard & Martindale. the same results with the same players. schemes & systems don’t affect a players performance? Sure. Ask Robert Gallery or Tyler Brayton.
get ready to eat some crow Charlie. thats all i’m saying.
I guarantee Dick LeBeau or Jim Johnson could take this defense and make it a Top 10 unit in every category.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:24 am
We are a running team that will take its shots down the field….. PERIOD. Russell will not be throwing for 300 yrds but will have some huge gains on teams loading up the box in running situations.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:25 am
We need the DLine to get pressure….Dont need the sacks as much as were going to need the pressure. Sacks are great but you only get 1 or 2 per game but pressures can happen on any throw. As long as we get moderate pressure…I got tremendous faith in Aso….good growing faith in Johnson, and hope our safeties improve. Routt should be happy about being the nickel.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:26 am
Jamarcus (The Mad-er Bomber) Russell!
3000+ baby! Make it happen!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:28 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:07 am
We have 2 QBs better than Orton!!!?!! Maybe 3 if you ask BSJ about Southwick!!
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TW: I was talking about scholarship, I mean starting QB. not a grade of QB by committee. The Raiders would have the #1 group of QB’s in the league by virtue of Southwick alone
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NOW thats what I’m talking bout!! KOLL AID!!!
Whats up fellas???? late start for me!!!
Gallery:……to the recovery bowl!!!!
THE OAKLAND RAIDERS WILL HAVE 4 PROBOWLERS THIS YEAR!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:29 am
then again, i thought todd marinovich was going to be awesome !!!
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I think everybody drank that koolaid bro dnt sweat it!!!
He might be able to score O some herbal thou!!! So not all is lost!!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:31 am
good morning OAKlifer.
how was your weekend bro?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:34 am
ON THE BUBBLE!!!
Huff – WTF dude, get some picks!
Sands – Stuff it bro! The run… not your face.
Fargas – Gonna have to break some big ones early to get back into the 2nd spot even… Love ya though.
Branch – If Huff can’t do it… What can you do?
Kelly – worth the big bucks????? Ehhh, I don’t know bro, you got paid before you played, we’ll see…
Kirk – Love you but, you gotta be more of a force brother… leading the world in tackles is only a good thing if you lead the league in fewest yards per attempt as well. Down hill baby, down hill
July 27th, 2009 at 10:40 am
Top of the mornin to you all.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:44 am
AZ, I’m with you,,,I think alot you cats will be some black bird feather mouthed suckas on Russell. The quiet storm is what Im going to name him. Im sure he has heard the haters remarks…I say he gets 3,500 and 24 TD’s with 15 Ints and gets us to 8-8. I want to see the results of wanting to work with the guys. JRuss knows talent, he was throwing to David Bowe and Early Doucet in college so he knows what good WR are and all about. Him calling a session is a sign that they all need to be working on getting better for the season. I think this season is different where we arent laughingstocks.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:46 am
Just don’t stink it up!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:46 am
I really hope I am wrong. I really hope that our defense turns around. I want to see the Raiders win.
I just think we need different players along the Dine to do it. Ellis is a start.
My problem is that we do not have any Dline talent that does not fall into the castoff or project category. If we can not stop the run we will not win.
I am reacting to the earlier comment that suggests we will have the same DT group we had last year. I hope that is not the case if we are serious about changing our defensive performance.
Lebeau and Johnson coach for teams that invest round 1 and 2 picks on Dlineman.(What did the Steelers pick in the first round in this draft?)It is just the law of averages. High round picks tend to do better than lower round picks and free agents. We have some high round picks that washed out elsewhere in the NFL. That should tell us something.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:49 am
week end was Great bro!! thanks for asking!!! Cant wait for this camp to get under way…
Like Ive said in the past beyond Nnamdi we are kinda week in the secondary as a unit!!! this may be our weekest link
July 27th, 2009 at 10:50 am
Week….as in day of the week!!!
Weak….as in Broncos are weak!!!
My bad!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:50 am
I have viewed the d-line’s problems as a combination of Rob Fukin Ryan and a lack of talent. Ryan’s lack of discipline (pizza parties, naps during meetings, players late to meetings) and failure to hold players accountable (always protecting the players) made him popular with the players, but did not produce results on the field. Other than Kelly, who is pretty good when healthy, you have Warren who only shows up some of the time, Sands who sucks, and Burgess playing out of position at LDE.
All the ingredients for a horrible d-line…at least one part of the equation is gone, but we blew it not adding some talent to the DT position in the draft….maybe next year?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:51 am
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July 27th, 2009 at 10:52 am
With the 19th selection in the 2010 NFL draft, the Oakland Raiders select… Defensive Tackle “???? ??????” out of “??? ???? State”!
(BOOOOOOO! What a rediculous pick! What are the Raiders thinking? This guy should have been picked much later… He’s not projected till the 2nd or 3rd round. Poor decision on AL’s part)
Doesn’t matter, we’ll still get bashed LOL.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:54 am
AZ Raider….19th selection in the draft? What did we trade to get that? We certainly will not trade out of the top ten in next year’s draft, lol.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Hey man, it’s my kool-aid, I’m gonna drink it. If you don’t want yours, just set it on the table and I’ll drink it when I’m done with mine
July 27th, 2009 at 10:55 am
Personally, I expect a very good year from Russell. Going off the way he finished last year, and more availability of McFadden & Bush coming out of the backfield, and a more confident WR group. He’ll make his mark this year.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:56 am
Dakota,
We would have had to trade down for a DT in the Draft this year. There wasnt alot of Value and I didnt like Ragi…But if the coaches are right….Kelly is a monster when healthy meaning he will always command two folks…Lets just hope for that…and Im hoping Terdell Sands takes his 6-7 330 pound body and look in the mirror and see that he is a monster in sized and needs to start playing like it. Warren does what he does and is servicable. If the ends force the action inside were going to be OK. Look to stop the oh so irritating 3d and long conversions…Teams would run on us at 3rd and 7 thats embarresing.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:59 am
AZ Raider…here I am with my kool-aid…take it, I am done…
http://www.iwatchstuff.com/2008/03/11/wolfman-del-toro-blood.jpg
July 27th, 2009 at 10:59 am
I just think we need different players along the Dine to do it. Ellis is a start.
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Ellis got dumped. does that not count as a castoff? He’s 35 years old and played the past 3 seasons as a situational pass rusher OLB. How is that an upgrade over anything else we’ve done? Al Davis always takes a chance on players that were once great or promising. That’s not a new philosophy. That why everyone says players “go to die in Oakland”
“We have some high round picks that washed out elsewhere in the NFL. That should tell us something.”
like who? Tyler Brayton & Fabian Washington (former 1st rounders) were starters on playoff teams … Phillip Buchanon was a starter in Houston, Tampa Bay and now Detroit.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:00 am
With the 11th selection in the 2010 NFL draft, the Oakland Raiders select… …….” ????? ” DB ?????St.
LOL unless the DT runs faster this is how it might pan out!!!1
July 27th, 2009 at 11:00 am
TW: I was talking about scholarship, I mean starting QB. not a grade of QB by committee. The Raiders would have the #1 group of QB’s in the league by virtue of Southwick alone
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Orton is 2nd string. I have a $50 bet on Russel vs Orton with a donkey fan all ready. Actually it’s best team record this yr. Orton won’t last the yr & Garcia is definately better. Cassel will look like a stooge behind the KC Oline & no running backs!!! lol
Just my opinion but at least I risk the money to shut the donkey fans up. Even they don’t argue when I say we have 2 QBs better than Orton.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Dakota:
I agree with your Dline assessment.
I think that our drafting strategy in the top ten has been to build elite skill talent like Dmac,JR,DHB.
If we can get to 8-8 and we are drafting 15 or 16 we must invest in the Dline (and Oline).
It is similar to what Dallas did in the early nineties with great results.
I do think that is what will happen in next year’s draft.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:01 am
Brayton – I liked him…
Washington – LMFAO
Buchanon – LOL
July 27th, 2009 at 11:03 am
dhitz71…how many years, and how many coaches have been hoping for changes in G. Warren’s and T. Sands’ games?
We need personnel CHANGE…that is what Obama was talking about…
July 27th, 2009 at 11:04 am
With the 11th selection in the 2010 NFL draft, the Oakland Raiders select… …….” ????? ” DB ?????St.
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Hiram Eugene will start 16 games at FS (scholarship)and Huff won’t see the field unless it’s on special teams. At the end of the year Eugene will be an UFA and Huff will get cut.
we might have to trade up & get Taylor Mays!
July 27th, 2009 at 11:07 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:17 am
My point is that unless we change faces on the line we are not going to get much better.
All I am saying is that our Dline talent is WELL below NFL standards and no coach is going to work a miracle with nothing but projects on the Dline.
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How do you know? You’ve seen them coached by exactly one staff the past 5 years. You’re projecting that Marshall, Board & Haluchak = Ryan, Millard & Martindale. the same results with the same players. schemes & systems don’t affect a players performance? Sure. Ask Robert Gallery or Tyler Brayton.
get ready to eat some crow Charlie. thats all i’m saying.
I guarantee Dick LeBeau or Jim Johnson could take this defense and make it a Top 10 unit in every category.
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couldnt agree more. there are really unbelievably big differences sometimes in how a coach wants a player do the same thing, assignment. and then you add down&distance, different keys, shifts and stunts to the equation to each “philosophy”, the experience and all, you can have different results with the same core of players.
what i think JHill mentioned first about the timing of the playcalling is also a good point. cause it brings up another area we could be better next year: scouting and preparing for the opponents. now remembering how Willie Shaw made an immidiate impact in his first year, i cant wait to see a guy that coached all the way to a SB get to work and call a game. we could struggle at the beginning but i have a feeling the defense will be much better.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:08 am
we might have to trade up & get Taylor Mays!
LOL
if Uncle Al did this I can think of a few peoples (Dakota) head that will explode!!! but could you imagine M&M Mays and Nnamdi WOW would we be good!!! (in the secondary) LOL who is the best D-line man coming up next year????
July 27th, 2009 at 11:09 am
My nightmare….
Mike Mitchell never starts
DHB catches 15 balls
The defense does not improve
The o-line still blows in pass protection
Fargas still gets 100 carries even though Bush and McFadden are healthy
We win our last two games and Cable is retained as HC
July 27th, 2009 at 11:09 am
We need personnel CHANGE…that is what Obama was talking about…
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whats more embarrassing?
an 80 year old using an overhead projector to make a point or 47 year old using a teleprompter to make a speech?
July 27th, 2009 at 11:10 am
RR
The stats do not lie.
We can not stop the run. We are the worst in the NFL at doing it. We suck. Our Dline sucks.
A new DC alone will not materially change the result without changing the players.
I am saying Marshall will be changing more players along the Dline before we open against SD.
Boschetti and Ellis represent that. More to come.
END OF OPINION.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:13 am
who is the best D-line man coming up next year????
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Derrick Burgess in free agency.
oh. you mean in the draft?
July 27th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Getting a true LDE might help our run D…
July 27th, 2009 at 11:14 am
Yeah its at the Yadda Yadda point but this is it. Sands is just so big you just wonder what the Hell motivates him…he should be a mauler who causes great problems. Raiders DT troubles have got to clear up…Seems like since Chester McGlockton we have been cursed. I think this is a shut up or put up year for alot of folks and I hope AL Davis is in that book this year as well…Step down or Step Up old man. Were behind you but damn the bleeding of 6 years is erasing a whole legacy.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:16 am
Ndamukong Suh DT
Carlos Dunlap DE fLordia
LOL found a mock that has us taking Mays!!!!
http://walterfootball.com/draft2010.php
July 27th, 2009 at 11:17 am
Derrick Burgess in free agency.
oh. you mean in the draft?
LOL!!!!11
July 27th, 2009 at 11:20 am
The stats do not lie.
We can not stop the run. We are the worst in the NFL at doing it. We suck. Our Dline sucks.
A new DC alone will not materially change the result without changing the players.
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ok Charlie. here are some stats for you to look at. Rob Ryan run defenses in Oakland 2004-2008 (5 seasons) vs Oakland run defenses before Ryan arrived 1999-2003 (5 seasons) Willie Shaw and Chuck Bresnahan
let us know what you find out buddy!
July 27th, 2009 at 11:26 am
RR
Different players.
Example: Rod Coleman was a force AT DT!!! that we lost after 2003.
Thank you. You made my point.
Part of Marshall’s contribution will be to change players along the Dline.
More to come.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:26 am
# Charlie Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:10 am
RR
The stats do not lie.
We can not stop the run. We are the worst in the NFL at doing it. We suck. Our Dline sucks.
A new DC alone will not materially change the result without changing the players.
I am saying Marshall will be changing more players along the Dline before we open against SD.
Boschetti and Ellis represent that. More to come.
END OF OPINION.
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http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter?game_id=29699&displayPage=tab_gamecenter&season=2008&week=REG12
jsut watch the play at 1:13 on 4th and one if you can there are good examples on what the new staffs talking about since day one. padlevel. while Sands pancakes his man in a rare padlevel battle he wins while THoward gets mauled losing his vs the FB. he shouldve attacked that FBs hip to try to redirect the RB but hes to high and has no chance.
im telling you if they manage to play low and win those freaking FUNDAMENTAL battles to be able to take care of there resposibility first, to stop the initial push, we will be better. imo
July 27th, 2009 at 11:27 am
I am saying Marshall will be changing more players along the Dline before we open against SD.
Boschetti and Ellis represent that. More to come.
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how do we know these guys will even make the team?
DE: Scott, Shaughnessy, Burgess, Richardson, Gunheim
DT: Kelly, Warren, Sands, Joseph
I don’t expect either of those guys to come in and dominate. Ellis would have been nice 5 years ago. Boschetti is a scrub.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:28 am
Per David White:
The Raiders have agreed to terms with second-round draft pick Mike Mitchell, according to multiple sources familiar with the deal Monday.
Mitchell was given a four-year deal. Terms were not immediately available. The deal isn’t officially done until approved by the league office, but barring unforeseen problems, Mitchell will report for training camp Tuesday in Napa.
That leaves two picks unsigned: No. 7 overall pick Darrius Heyward-Bey and fourth-rounder Louis Murphy.
Heyward-Bey is represented by superagent Tom Condon, who negotiated huge deals for Nnamdi Asomugha and Shane Lechler in January. Murphy went with Drew Rosenhaus, who has not announced any deal on his Twitter account.
If the agents are waiting for the go-ahead sign from the Raiders to announce it, good luck with that. They haven’t confirmed the signings of third-rounder Matt Shaughnessy and sixth-rounder Brandon Myers, and won’t do it until camp starts.
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July 27th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Al will take a DT with his first pick when he finds one that can run 4.4 forty.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:30 am
** Peter King is back from vacation and says this of DHB:
“I think one of the guys we’ll all have eyes on this summer is the first-round pick of the Raiders, wideout Darrius Heyward-Bey. Seems like a classic boom-or-bust pick. His college coach, Ralph Friedgen, is a huge fan of Heyward-Bey’s, but he also says the wideout needs to improve his hands. “There would be times in practice he would really struggle,” Friedgen said.”
I interviewed DHB’s college position coach, James Franklin, who said, “He’s still very raw and he probably could have used one more year.”
These are his biggest backers, mind you. They’re not saying DHB won’t make it — they think he’ll do just fine — but that it’s going to take some time and developing.
So for those expecting an instant hit, stop it.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:30 am
Different players.
Example: Rod Coleman was a force AT DT!!! that we lost after 2003.
Thank you. You made my point.
Part of Marshall’s contribution will be to change players along the Dline.
More to come.
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yes Charlie. we’ve had the same exact players on the defensive front seven for 6 years. great point. maybe you should look at the rosters from back then before making yourself look stupid? I’m gonna start calling you Charlie Ryan
July 27th, 2009 at 11:34 am
So for those expecting an instant hit, stop it.
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Lynn: you don’t draft a project 7th overall. Cable & Davis had him in twice prior to the draft and said his hands weren’t an issue. They are eager to prove they were right. Cable will take the blame if DHB is a flop in his rookie season, even if Davis forced the selection on him. Cable will play Heyward-Bey if he’s healthy …
July 27th, 2009 at 11:37 am
Can’t stand.
Great point. The problem is the guys we have have proven they lose those battles against good Olines.
We are not inconsistent. When we go up against good Olines we get crushed.
You dont think Warren was coached in Cleveland and Denver?
You don’t think Sands was coached in KC?
You don’t think Joseph was coached in NY?
If they have not got it by now, they probably never will.
Personnel has to change to get a different result.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:44 am
an 80 year old using an overhead projector to make a point or 47 year old using a teleprompter to make a speech?
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Hahahaha…sad dude, EVERY Pres uses a teleprompter, it’s just Bush who can’t speak to save his ass WITH a teleprompter. Stratiery/subliminable/won’t get fooled again/is our children learning/took a while to thaw, it’s going to take a while to unthaw.
Pppllleeeaaassseee.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:45 am
second round GEM!!!!
Picking for the Raiders is always fun… How could Al Davis possibly pass up on Marvin Austin, a great player from North Carolina? Sure, his production sucked in 2008, but he could run a 4.8 at 6-3, 305!
July 27th, 2009 at 11:48 am
3rd round SPEED!!
Almost all of Oakland’s linebackers are in their contract year, so Al Davis will be looking for help at this position. Perry Riley runs a projected 4.55 at 6-1, 240, making him one of the greatest linebackers of all time.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:48 am
TW: how was your business “meeting” with Raider O?
puff/puff/pass
July 27th, 2009 at 11:49 am
You people:
What kind of twitter fix will we be getting during camp?
Why do I suspect Justin Fargas is resonsible for Lamar Odom talking to Miami?
Will we ever get a LB who weighs as much as our kicker?
Is Jhill back from Pakistan?
July 27th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Perry Riley runs a projected 4.55 at 6-1, 240
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LOL. sounds about right!
July 27th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Charlie Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:37 am
You dont think Warren was coached in Cleveland and Denver?
You don’t think Sands was coached in KC?
You don’t think Joseph was coached in NY?
If they have not got it by now, they probably never will.
Personnel has to change to get a different result.
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Good point.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:50 am
This was a good write up of a mock on last years draft!!!
I talked to a source close to the Raiders front office Tuesday morning about the prospect of Al Davis taking Michael Johnson. The source revealed that Johnson would be a good fit for the Raiders, but Davis envisions Trevor Scott as his right defensive end of the future. Per the source, “[Davis] really wants to have Scott be the guy, and he will never draft over a pet project.”
As a 255-pound rookie, Scott managed an impressive five sacks. I always envisioned Scott as a rotational end, but if Davis isn’t looking at the defensive line, he won’t take a defensive lineman.
So, whom does the source have the Raiders taking? My second choice, Heyward-Bey. The Maryland product ran a 4.30 40 at the Combine. At 6-2, 210, I’ll even admit that was impressive. Davis, meanwhile, loves 40 times. Upon seeing Heyward-Bey accomplish that feat, Davis might believe Heyward-Bey could be the best receiver who has ever lived.
As Matt McGuire notes in his 2009 Mock Draft, Davis would love the prospect of having his top commodity, JaMarcus Russell, throwing long bombs to Heyward-Bey multiple times per game.
Heyward-Bey doesn’t fit Al Davis’ NFL Draft History, but how many wideouts are 6-2, 210, and run 4.3 40s? Based upon measurables alone, Davis might think that Heyward-Bey is the second coming of Tim Brown, the last receiver he drafted in the first round (1988).
Eliminating some other candidates: Jeremy Maclin’s 40 wasn’t nearly fast enough. Andre Smith won’t be the pick because he doesn’t fit Oakland’s zone-blocking scheme and he’s not athletic enough. B.J. Raji isn’t athletic enough either. Plus, Davis has taken a defensive tackle in the first round only twice in the past 30 years, most recently Darrell Russell in 1997, and he ran a 4.8 at 320 pounds. Raji wasn’t anywhere near a 4.8.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Chris Carter was the only one worried about DHB’s hands. His route running is what is suspect, and his toughness has been questioned catching balls in traffic. These are things that will take NFL experience to master. Year 3, he’ll be a stud.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:54 am
RaiderTW Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:44 am
an 80 year old using an overhead projector to make a point or 47 year old using a teleprompter to make a speech?
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Hahahaha…sad dude, EVERY Pres uses a teleprompter, it’s just Bush who can’t speak to save his ass WITH a teleprompter.
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Actually, Dubya didn’t need a teleprompter. He had Cheney to do the talking with his hand up his arse like Edgar Bergen and Charlie.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:54 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 8:29 am
It is time to consider the zone defense Al.
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I don’t agree with that CJ. We have one of the fastest back field in the league. I think we play better Man-2-Man than we do Zone. I don’t think I guys are bright enough to play zone to be honest. But we have enough skill to cover anybody. Especially now that we have Mike Mitchell… As long as he stays healthy, and get over his hamstring issues.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:54 am
AZ Raider Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:50 am
Chris Carter was the only one worried about DHB’s hands. His route running is what is suspect, and his toughness has been questioned catching balls in traffic. These are things that will take NFL experience to master. Year 3, he’ll be a stud.
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Year three is right…which is exactly why you should not pick a WR at the top of round 1. Pick players on the o-line, d-line, even in the secondary…where the player can contribute….unless you think the WR is a can’t miss Jerry Rice…which DHB is not, nor ever will be.
Damn you Al Davis.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:55 am
Picked seventh overall, Heyward-Bey is sandwiched between Cincinnati’s Andre Smith at No. 6 and Jacksonville’s Eugene Monroe at No. 8.
Neither of those plays has signed yet, so one potential delay is there has not been a ceiling or floor set for DHB’s slot. They could go off of last year’s No. 7 slot and account for a small bump, but agents usually prefer to have two sets of numbers to choose from (always using the higher number as a starting point).
David White
July 27th, 2009 at 11:55 am
charlie, i understand your pow too. but there are tons of examples where a unit of underachivers stepped up. Alex Smith from the bears come to mind. or the giants front 4 before and after Spags came over with JJohnsons’ philosophy.
the point is we can hang with anybody physicaly, are young and are doing what the haters accuse the organization of NOT doing: continuity, giving the guys a chance to develope.
plus we can give it one more year with the rebuilding on offense and save us the capramifications of relaesing some guys too quick.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:56 am
His route running is what is suspect
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DHB comes from a pro style offense. his route running isn’t suspect. His learning curve is much smaller than Crabs, Maclin, Harvin, etc.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:56 am
RaiderRockstar i didn’t write that Peter King did
July 27th, 2009 at 11:57 am
talking with his hand up his arse like Edgar Bergen and Charlie
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Charlie Ryan?
July 27th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Peter King is a tool
July 27th, 2009 at 11:58 am
Good point Dakota…
But for DHB, He’s not exactly here to run many routes anyways. His job is to burn everyone down field and catch deep balls and score TD’s! Not to move the chains.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Lynn from Snot….I live not too far from UMD..and attending games this past fall. Bey is no doubt a raw receiver who is going to need everything Freddie B throws his way. But he isnt a track guy like guys of the past. Dude has decent route running to go with incredible leave you in the dust speed. If he proves more than just a speedster then AL hasnt lost much in what he sees in players.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:00 pm
Wow, Krappy! Someone is up bright and early! Guess you’re getting all pumped up for the start of training camp, so you’re cutting back on the Benadryl. Good plan, you silly old goat.
Anyway, cut and pasting before your afternoon oatmeal could cause another uncontrollable dump in your jammies, so be careful. Remember, those articles will still be available after your 6 hour mid day nap.
And where’s that little softie, the Lady Raccoon? I bet that chick was out a little to late last night hitting on hunks in South Sacramento hot spots. Like Sizzler.
It’s going to be a great year, dudes!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:03 pm
Damn you Al Davis.
Hey now Dakota!!!! take that back!!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
I will NOT!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:04 pm
Freddie B?????????????/
Hmmmm is he still here?????
July 27th, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Bey is no doubt a raw receiver who is going to need everything Freddie B throws his way
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Heyward-Bey will learn the ropes from Ted Tollner & Sanjay Lal. Freddie B isn’t on staff anymore. Kiffin canned him
July 27th, 2009 at 12:06 pm
Unless your Desaun Jackson, if your a wide out, it’s gonna take a season or 2 to get adjusted.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Eddie Royal & Donnie Avery did pretty well as rookies last season
July 27th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Our o-line can’t pass protect. Our d-line and LBers can’t stop the run…
How the hell is Russell supposed to throw 60 yard bombs to DHB when he only has 2.1 seconds to throw?
Totally fuked up. Barnes is only slightly better than Kwame Harris…and he doesn’t even want to play RT for cripe’s sake!
And Lamar Odom is a dipschit…
July 27th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Actually, Dubya didn’t need a teleprompter. He had Cheney to do the talking with his hand up his arse like Edgar Bergen and Charlie.
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You could be right but I don’t remember Bush saying “Go f*ck yourself.”
July 27th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Hope Sanjay knows his stuff he has his work cut out for him!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:11 pm
#7 Overall and he’s Raw ????????
Not Expected to Contribute ??????
July 27th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
And Lamar Odom is a dipschit…
here, here!!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:14 pm
DHB is 20 yards down field in 2.1 seconds… Throw it Russell, throw it!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
DHB is 20 yards down field in 2.1 seconds… Throw it Russell, throw it!!!
LMAO!!!!!!
sad but true!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:15 pm
There are a few D linemen that I’m interested in for next years draft:
-Base End:
Carlos Dunlap Fl
Brandon Graham Mich
Everson Griffin USC
CoreyWootton NW
-DT:
Gerard McCoy OU
N Suh from N
July 27th, 2009 at 12:16 pm
#7 Overall and he’s Raw ????????
Not Expected to Contribute ??????
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Kelly: what do you expect from Heyward-Bey in his rookie season?
July 27th, 2009 at 12:17 pm
we’re already talking about next year’s draft?
cross QB off your list. we’ve got Danny Southwick!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
The 2 OTs that I like in the next draft:
The Iowa Kid, but Gellery is making me think twice about that!! LOL
USC’s Charles Brown.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Drafting McFadden made sense…we had an o-line that could run block and a nice young FB that could lead the way and a young QB that needed someone to take the pressure off of him…drafting DHB when our o-line needs major work is like putting a paint job on a rusted out Pinto with no engine…shouldn’t we have gotten the o-line up and running in pass blocking before we start adding accessories, like dime a dozen WRs?
James Jett Jr…..fuk me.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Hey beechnut,
You ever find it wierd that right after a “certain poster” posts something up that another “certain poster” starts trashing him its kind like either they are the same people or that one of them has no life whatso ever and sits and stares at the Raiders blog in hopes that a “certain poster” will post so he can eagerly remitt some sort of foul mouthed rambling thats makes him look stupider “yes i said stupider” that Bush jr, Bobby, Slob ryan, Odem…if I forgot you Im sorry!!! but there is too many to count….
Just curious you ever notice that is it just me????
July 27th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
KoolKell what if DHB translates his skills to the progame like say JLH who had people criticize him coming fresh out of school? and it takes him a year to get there, or two? it happening with JLH. dont you think if he ever reaches his potential he will be considered a steal at 7 overall?
July 27th, 2009 at 12:22 pm
Pardon me, I just don’t know why you would draft someone at #7 with #7 money, who’s a raw talent, instead of a player with a record of production. Anybody drafted in the top 10 should at least be EXPECTED to be a first year starter, no?
July 27th, 2009 at 12:23 pm
is like putting a paint job on a rusted out Pinto with no engine………….
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And rims LOL got to love it the Oakland Draft syle matches its g-ride hooptie concept…..buy a bucket throw some dubs a paint job and some 12’s in there and hope it keeps runnin….Wonder if he has one of us thugs in there helping him with these decsions?!?!!??
July 27th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
PATNA, India (Reuters) – Farmers in an eastern Indian state have asked their unmarried daughters to plow parched fields naked in a bid to embarrass the weather gods to bring some badly needed monsoon rain, officials said on Thursday.
Witnesses said the naked girls in Bihar state plowed the fields and chanted ancient
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My god is stupider than YOUR god!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:25 pm
The Big Difference is Higgins was drafted in the 3rd round.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:27 pm
Australian wallabies are eating opium poppies and creating crop circles as they hop around “as high as a kite”, a government official has said.
The attorney general for the island state of Tasmania, said the kangaroo-like marsupials were getting into poppy fields grown for medicine.
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UK kangaroos…THAT explains those pesky crop circles!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
RR,
I crossed off QB, WR, TE, and RB!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
OAKlifer Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 12:19 pm
Hey beechnut,
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I tried to tell him that. But, he’s determined. Oh well.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:30 pm
Mcdonalds hamburgers are made with wallabie meat as well as any premixed taco flavored meat from Sysco!!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Dakota Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 12:10 pm
Our o-line can’t pass protect. Our d-line and LBers can’t stop the run…
How the hell is Russell supposed to throw 60 yard bombs to DHB when he only has 2.1 seconds to throw?
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Throw it really HIGH.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:31 pm
HBey…may be Higgins with size….thats not all that bad considering neither is a finished product as of yet.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
I tried to tell him that. But, he’s determined. Oh well.
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LOL nice catch!!!! oh well…
July 27th, 2009 at 12:32 pm
They have Aso to work with in practice so all is not lost. They can learn a thing or two from Nah nah Namdi..
July 27th, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Kell,
Most NFL draft boards work as such, regardless of position.
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
……and on down the list of players.
If your top guy is availible when it’s your turn you draft that guy. If he’s off the board, you take the next guy, so on and so on…
WR’s are projects in general when coming into the NFL, let alone a JR, that probably could have used 1 more year of college. His measurables are off the charts and even though he’s raw and won’t do much as far as catching a gang load of balls for short yardage gains all year, but he will do (right off the bat) part of his duties… Stretch the defense, force a saftey over the top to free up the middle. don’t worry Kell, he’ll probably start at #2 spot but dont expect a 1000 yard season. year 3 PROBOWL!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:36 pm
My god is stupider than YOUR god!!!
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maybe but eastern indian farmers are a hell of lot smarter than us!!!!!! I wouldnt mind see’in the ol farmers daughter out there earnin her keep!!!!!
Lets hope this isnt part of the Marshall plan!!! ugghhh…..
Breaking News: i could just see it now over 1500lbs of fat black men were arressted in the streets of Alemeda this week it seems thier boss had sent them on a
“mission from god” (sorry Southwick) inorder to help bolster up thier run D Marshall had sent the 5 men out to hit the sleds in the nude!!!!
My coach is smarter than your coach!!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Dakota Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Drafting McFadden made sense…we had an o-line that could run block and a nice young FB that could lead the way and a young QB that needed someone to take the pressure off of him…
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Made sense to you perhaps. We needed to draft for defense in 08, still needed more talent on D in 09 and will in 2010, I guarantee. And we already had a Heisman-quality RB in Bush to “take the pressure off” the walrus.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:38 pm
KK maybe because it is widely known and expected that a WR needs a couple of years to reach his potential where a player in the trenches has a lot of help around him and therefore has more chances to play without making a big difference or being exposed.
you can fit in with the masses if you are a top pick, cause you prolly have the physical tools in place in those postions in the top ten.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
TW,
LMAO!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:39 pm
Dakota, BSJ & EXLA
WTF is Odom’s major malfunction?!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=4359259
July 27th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Yes, but the determination of your “Top Guy” is the issue. Ht-Weight-Speed, Over Actual Production.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
Regarding Marshall bringing in more/different players…Charlie’s partially correct. There will be some changes — there are always some changes — before the end of camp. There are other teams’ cuts yet to come (and roster bonuses could play a larger role than usual in this down economy). Also, in our dreams, we all want the young guys to step in and stake a claim — maybe one of them actually will? The old guys (especially Ellis) aren’t just going to go away.
But…do we really need to make many replacements? When talking about the Run Defense (or lack thereof), it’s important to realize the difference between horrible and NFL average isn’t as much as it would seem. Fixing it shouldn’t be (or have been) out of the realm of possibility.
Statistically speaking, only about 30% of NFL Defenses keep opposing RB’s to under 4.0-yards-per-carry. Last year, only 10-teams held opponents under the magic 4.0 mark…the top-8 Defenses, plus two more.
Cincy was the (overall) 21st-ranked D in the league, and they had a 3.9-yd average against the run. So, there goes the theory that getting below that 4.0 mark makes your Defense instantly elite — everything else needs to come together for elite status to ever happen.
We all agree that playing the run better — not “stopping” it — is one of this team’s highest priorities. If the Defense CAN improve in ways that can still be coached, then there is possibility of great improvement with mostly the same players and a few newbies (even old newbies).
Assuming the pass Defense is improved over last year’s (a pair of steady Safeties is a great place to start, please)…and IF…the ever-present IF…the Raiders Defense’s yards-per-carry stat puts them in the top-50th percentile of the league vs the run, then Marshall will have done more than RR ever could. And, yes, he can do it with the personnel he already has.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
AZ….thats right. He will be able to contribute immediately in that area. Nobody will stretch the D like him and on occassion when they are sleeping…we throw it to him. But he will and can be a decoy where you account for speed alone. The problem with this is the line…IF we cant pick up a blitz and JRuss still has the same skill set then its another long season unless we can run it down folks throat all game long. Hopefully Chaz will be reading the hot routes and bail us out with nifty over the middle grabs.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
Russell was a big producer in college.
MaFadden was a big producer in college.
DHB was average in college. Now will collect #7 money and sit on the bench.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
The problem with drafting a WR is they take time to develop (unlike a RB)
KooKell actually has a valid point (1st time for everything)
You don’t use a pick that high on a guy that will develop in a couple of years you instead should pick someone who you can plug in right away, that can help your team out immediately. Especially if your the Raiders and you have as many holes to fill as we do.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:46 pm
is like putting a paint job on a rusted out Pinto with no engine…
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Dakota: thats how we do things in Podunk. It’s not our fault you don’t understand the concept of “style”. you paint the Pinto so that when you finally brush-hog the field and you can see the car and it’s like buying a new vehicle. everybody in Podunk is asking you about it. what else do we have to talk about? grandma’s corn bread? that story of ol’ john boy shootin’ himself in the foot carrying a deer rifle never gets old though!
July 27th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
“Bey will stretch the field immediately” geez where have I heard that before????????
If that’s all he’s got, DB’s will play off of him. It’s not like they’re caterpillars either.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:49 pm
KoolKell
I am counting on your analysis from camp, including an indepth look at how the rooks look.
When is that again, next week?
July 27th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
we already had a Heisman-quality RB in Bush to “take the pressure off” the walrus.
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LOL. we got OAKlifer as the silver & black Kool-Aid man. BSJ in the black hole wearing a Walrus Costume. I’ll be at Arrowhead when we play the chefs to slam a life sized Matt Cassel doll against the wall since they traded away Tony Gonzo!
who else wants to take part in the festivities?
I assume Raider O has a custom Raiders jersey with “legalize it!” on the back nameplate ???
July 27th, 2009 at 12:53 pm
Ok, I know no one likes the DHB pick. I like it only becuase I thought we should draft a WR with our first pick. I thought all the top prospects to be too smallish and very much like players we already have on the roster, i.e., Crabtree = Schilens, Maclin = JLH, so I was excited about DHB and had him 1st on my board as well. I thought we could have traded and picked up DHB and Rey Maualuga in the same draft. I was disapointed we didn’t do something to that effect, but who’s to say we didn’t try and couldnt get it done, so we picked out guy a little high. Not worried about it… Hopefully he’ll be a big time playmaker for us in a year or 2. Maybe he’ll have an awsome rookie year, I don’t know, but I’m sure as h*ll not gonna jinks him
July 27th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
“Bey will stretch the field immediately” geez where have I heard that before????????
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from Tom Cable, keller. right after drafting DHB he said that our offensive strategy is to run it down your throat and throw it over your head.
Davis brought in Hackett & Tollner to implement the Air Coryell/Mad Bomber offense. I doubt when Davis drafted Russell he envisioned 10-15 pass attempts per game, mainly short passes to the RB’s and TE’s …
July 27th, 2009 at 12:55 pm
average on a bad team that still won bowls, almost simply because of him, or his presence.
as for plyaing time, i can well see him being used in screens and reverses as a rookie and decide a game or two. even if its late in the season while he was indeed riding the pine. nothing wrong with that imo.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:56 pm
Drafting in the top ten every year doesn’t mean you get the best player, just the biggest bust factor for a lot of cash. I was a big proponent of trading down and drafting more defensive players. That said I thought DHB was the right pick but , not at 7 more like 20. Drafting top 10 isn’t a luxury more like a curse.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
Ok, I know no one likes the DHB pick.
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I wanted Michael Crabtree until I found out Eugene Monroe dropped.
Monroe & Unger would have set this offense up for the long haul imo.
We could have selected M&M in Round 4 instead of Slade Norris. Then drafted Norris in Round 6 instead of Stryker Sulak.
July 27th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
LFS,
My thoughts exactly. I figued DHB wouldn’t stay on the board longer than 25th overall, so a trade down for 2 1st was what I wanted and no doubt they tried to get it done. No Ray though
July 27th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
What does a tornado and a Podunk, Missouri divorce have in common?
Either way, someone is out a trailer.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
I assume Raider O has a custom Raiders jersey with “legalize it!” on the back nameplate ???
I gosta get me one of those!!! or maybe I could just put the sticker on my Kool-aid suit!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBeUGqeYsQg
July 27th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
What does a tornado and a Podunk, Missouri divorce have in common?
Either way, someone is out a trailer.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 1:03 pm
LOL @ BSJ! Very Nice.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
Is that your Kool-aid suit?
July 27th, 2009 at 1:04 pm
BSJ: kinda hard to divorce your sister …
July 27th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
Mike Mitchell got signed..
July 27th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
ALL draft picks are projects. Every single one of them.
We took a WR instead of a lineman (either side of the ball)…that WR has as much chance — and odds — as ANY lineman to be a success this year.
First-year “SUCCESSFUL” rookie starters are not the NFL norm…they are the exception…at any position.
What would be a succesful season for DHB his first year? Must he bust out with 70-catches/1100-yards to be a success? Would 35-catches/600-yards and 4-TD’s be a failure? What if he didn’t do much, but the TEAM didn’t need big numbers from him already? Is he a bust after one year? That would be like Gallery-bashing the guy (getting Galleried?).
So many questions need to be answered…before anyone can prove DHB was NOT drafted higher than he should’ve been. It will be very interesting to compare notes on him and the top-rated pre-draft O/D-lineman favorites.
Flip a coin…as to which was best to pick right now.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:06 pm
Mike Mitchell got signed..
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I heard there was an injury clause in the contract. He loses 500k for each game he misses due to a hamstring injury …
July 27th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Oak, I know you’re basically a dim witted dude trying to act smart with your blog conspiracy post. And you’re hoping your blog idols like President Dakota jump on your jock for being so insightful.
It’s a valiant attempt (that basically means “good try”) at being clever, but – being that you’re nearly as mentally handicapped as Charged Down or Brian – you’ll never be able to form a cohesive argument. But I commend you for the effort.
Don’t worry, little pal – I’ll keep an eye on you from here on out. Not sure if I want to kick you off the blog yet. TBD.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
# Silver-n-Black666 Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 12:44 pm
The problem with drafting a WR is they take time to develop (unlike a RB)
KooKell actually has a valid point (1st time for everything)
You don’t use a pick that high on a guy that will develop in a couple of years you instead should pick someone who you can plug in right away, that can help your team out immediately. Especially if your the Raiders and you have as many holes to fill as we do.
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Triple 6 is exactly right. Why we did not take one of the OT’s who could probably come right in and play, I have no idea. I have a very hard time believing that other than Shaughnessy and/or Murphy, NONE of our 09 draft class will make ANY impact prior to week 10 at the earliest. That’s the bad news. The good news is there are a couple of guys that really did not play at all last year who should contribute greatly this year. Those guys are: Michael Bush, Darren McFadden, Tyvon Branch, “Jivin” Walker, Chaz Shilens, and with any luck Darrel Strong, Todd Watkins and Arman Shields.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
AZ-half the people on here WANT DHB to fail because they wanted to draft someone else and want to be able to say “i told you so”.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
with any luck Darrel Strong, Todd Watkins and Arman Shields.
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OG: drafting Myers, Heyward-Bey & Murphy all but closed their window of opportunity to make our 53 man roster – barring injury of course
July 27th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Flip a coin…as to which of our young WR’s will be the best of the bunch at this point. It could be Murphy (or somebody else)…and DHB could STILL be a great pick. Me, JaMarcus, and Al would love that. Methinks a few others might like it, too.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
half the people on here WANT DHB to fail because they wanted to draft someone else and want to be able to say “i told you so”.
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Lefty12: we like to refer to those people as “d0uche bags”
Heyward-Bey = starter. solid rookie season
real Raider fans don’t care about predictions. they care about winning football games (take note MR)
July 27th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
RR,
You are a Genius Bro!!!
That’s my next Jersey for sure!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
Don’t worry, little pal – I’ll keep an eye on you from here on out. Not sure if I want to kick you off the blog yet. TBD.
LOL…..ok just let me know!!!
Its ok buddy I understand its like the corvette sydrome but for bloggers your @!(K is smaller than every ones so you must do something really cool like buying a corvette or trashing a Raider Fan its cool I’ve kowin a few guys like you in my time…(well mostly in highschool) but enough to know that you will be just fine there are pills and pumps and all sorts of cool stuff out there for ya! So in retrospect I assume I will let you stay on our blog so you dnt rush out and buy a PT crusier or a Powder blue Jersey dnt worry I gots you bro!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 1:15 pm
best line of Jerry’s above post-”Huff should be arrested for loitering ……..”-lmfao.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
no….but thats my sister hands off!!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 1:17 pm
RR,
Why do you have a full size Doll of Matt Castle?? lol
Why do you have a full size doll?? lol
July 27th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
Lefty12 Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 1:10 pm
AZ-half the people on here WANT DHB to fail because they wanted to draft someone else and want to be able to say “i told you so”.
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Pretending to know what motivates other bloggers other than yourself is a trick, designed to defend your own arguments without presenting any.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:19 pm
BSJ: kinda hard to divorce your sister …
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True. Try kicking your wife out of the house when your mother-in-law is your mother.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
O: to slam against the stadium wall. you haven’t watched many Raider/Chiefs games, have you?
it’s a bitter rivalry!
July 27th, 2009 at 1:20 pm
Why do you have a full size doll?? lol******
Yeah dosnt the plastic hurt????
July 27th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
# RaiderRockstar Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
with any luck Darrel Strong, Todd Watkins and Arman Shields.
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OG: drafting Myers, Heyward-Bey & Murphy all but closed their window of opportunity to make our 53 man roster – barring injury of course
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Can’t disagree RR.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:22 pm
BSJ: when this trailer is rockin’ don’t come a knockin’
save a squirrel. eat a beaver
July 27th, 2009 at 1:23 pm
okay, people, listen up…
all you people who used the phrase “you people” over the course of the past four days owe me 10 cents for each time you used it…
copyrighted material and all…
never mind the details…
just send the money to:
Florida Pete
Florida, USA
don’t worry, it’ll get to me…
kinda like santa claus…
July 27th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Yeah dosnt the plastic hurt????
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plastic? no
braces? YES!
July 27th, 2009 at 1:24 pm
Wait until we see DHB go deep ACROSS THE MIDDLE, as opposed to streaking himself to death, before saying the kid’s a one-note song, too.
It amazes me how many people have already decided which rookie is a successful pick, and which one isn’t. No matter what else anybody else wanted to do — the only way to see if a rookie’s got “it” is to watch him play.
In my mind…the only way DHB is unsuccessful this year is if he can’t stay on the field. If he’s able to get on it, and earn his playing time to stay there…he is already ahead of the average NFL rookie WR.
Then, will his detractors admit he might’ve been a good pick? Or is the jury already in, before camp’s even started?
July 27th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Pete: you people don’t even believe in Santa Claus!
July 27th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
KK-what argument am i defending?that i don’t want DHB to fail because he is a member of the team i root for?whether i wanted us to pick him is irrevelent.we did so i want him to succeed.i don’t believe some on here feel the same way due to reading their comments.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
is the jury already in, before camp’s even started?
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yeah. who thought Trevor Scott would have more sacks his rookie year than Chris Long? anybody ???
July 27th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
OAK,
LMAO
July 27th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Robo wants all the credit for drafting T Scott. What’s that about?
July 27th, 2009 at 1:30 pm
Larry Fitzgerald had 58 Grabs for 780 yds and 8 TD’s. i guess that would be an extremely good rookie season for DHB since Fitz is considered the “best” WR in the league.
Boldin on the other hand grabbed 101 for 1377 and 8 TD. That is big time… Too bad the next season he only racked up 50 something for 600 something.
Jerry Rice had 49 for 927 and 3 TD’s
I don’t know… It’s a waiting game.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:32 pm
Larry Fitzgerald had 58 Grabs for 780 yds and 8 TD’s
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ok, then I expect Heyward-Bey to have 59 Grabs for 800 yds and 9 TD’s
July 27th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
O-if we drafted Scott because of Ryan then he at least did something good while he was here.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:33 pm
I wanted Larry on my team. Too bad he didn’t run a sub 4.45!
July 27th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
Lefty,
I thought Al was the one who picks the players, and all Robo did was scout him. Scouts don’t get that much credit. lol
July 27th, 2009 at 1:36 pm
O-if we drafted Scott because of Ryan then he at least did something good while he was here.
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I wonder if Ryan wants to take credit for drafting Quentin Moses, Darnell Bing, Eric Frampton or Antajj Hawthorne?
July 27th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
I would say 40 grabs for 720 and 6 TD’s would be a great rookie showing. More than what I expect.
I say 30 catches for 530 and 4 TD’s? Maybe? Ehhh, I still don’t know. Roll the dice with those wide outs…
July 27th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Who cares! Just win 8 at least for me guys!!!!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Who gets credit for drafting Stryker Sulak?
July 27th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Al gets all the credit and all the hate… Just blame AL Davis
For the good and the bad 
July 27th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Pete: you people don’t even believe in Santa Claus!
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that’ll be 10 cents…
July 27th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
You people…
July 27th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
We, the people….
July 27th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
Who gets credit for drafting Stryker Sulak?
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probably the same scout that Al Davis sent to check out RB Donald Brown of UConn.
seriously… WHY???
July 27th, 2009 at 1:44 pm
J
July 27th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
AZ Raider Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 1:42 pm
We, the people….
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some old guy has the copyright on that one…
July 27th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Who gets credit for drafting Stryker Sulak?
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the person responsible for his name maybe?
July 27th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
just like any draftee,we won’t know if it was a good or bad choice for 3-5 years.those same people who say we have to give Russell time need to also give DHB time.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:48 pm
T minus two days until the Southwick Era begins. You people prepared?
July 27th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
BTW, I have trademarked “Southwick Era”, “JaWalrus” and “Football Jesus”.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
I have trademarked “Southwick Era”, “JaWalrus”
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WHAT!?!?
I thought I started JaWalrus? I want half, sucka! HALF!
July 27th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
If all goes well then:
1- we have a great QB, who can buy more time with his feet, and has a cannon.
2- we have 2 good RBs, and both can catch well.
3- we have a great TE, who can Block and catch, and he’s JR’s fav Target.
4- we have 4 WRs who can can run, 3 have great size, and the 4th is a great returner.
5- we have 2 players than can protect JR’s blind side.
July 27th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
I have the following trademarked:
“the”
“if”
“whenever”
“and then some”
“dirty little….”
“drats!”
“Am I for real?”
“water”
“cha-cha-cha-chia…”
and….
“sack”
July 27th, 2009 at 1:56 pm
lefty12 Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
just like any draftee,we won’t know if it was a good or bad choice for 3-5 years.those same people who say we have to give Russell time need to also give DHB time.
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that would be an excellent arguement for not drafting areceiver at all…
only first rounders do 5 year contracts…
everybody else gets 4 years…
i think…
July 27th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
QB’s 6?
July 27th, 2009 at 1:58 pm
You all know My trademarks:
Legalize it!!
I’m the lion king, and I can to anything!
July 27th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 1:51 pm
BTW, I have trademarked “Southwick Era”, “JaWalrus” and “Football Jesus”.
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here, i’ll let you have one:
“Southpark Era”
July 27th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
I thought “Southwick, Inc” was trademarked by Larry King?
he sort of had his way with the family …
July 27th, 2009 at 2:00 pm
I almost forgot, ” Sir” is another TraderOmark!
July 27th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
“Southwick’s Error” ? Ehhhhh… i don’t want it.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 1:55 pm
I have trademarked “Southwick Era”, “JaWalrus”
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WHAT!?!?
I thought I started JaWalrus? I want half, sucka! HALF!
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There’s more than enough JaWalrus to go around! And yes, you introduced the term. But whaddayaknow, jawalrus.com wasn’t taken and now the hits are piling up…
July 27th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
forget Southwick. M Vick is fully reinstated by the commish and can participate in any team-activity. Southwick is gone…..
July 27th, 2009 at 2:09 pm
Vick is free!
now kids can start singing “i wanna be, i wanna be like Mike!”
July 27th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
forget Southwick?
the QB of the future? you’re funny man!
I think Vick will replace Jeff Garcia or we’ll possibly carry 4 QB’s into the season again and trade Garcia to a team with an injured QB …
July 27th, 2009 at 2:10 pm
I’m the Larry King, and I can say anything.
Run!! Come run with my son
His name is Danny,
He will kick your fanny
He was sent on a mission
God Said: Danny You should listen:
You will help the nation
The SB is you destination
Run!! Come run with my son!
July 27th, 2009 at 2:11 pm
the vietnamese will never forgive M Vick…
what with so many starving people in the world…
July 27th, 2009 at 2:12 pm
*your destination
July 27th, 2009 at 2:16 pm
Actually…even before a TD is scored by him…we will probably know very quickly if DHB was a good choice. We probably won’t know HOW good for awhile, though. Is DeSean Jackson really as good as last year, or more “right place, right time,” for a rookie on a team without enough good receivers? Is he even better than last year showed, or has he reached his peak? Can he stay healthy, and beat a sophomore jinx?
DHB shouldn’t need to explode onto the scene like DeSean did, to have a huge impact on this team. Even if he IS the one-note song some think he is, we should be greatly improved with JLH, Schilens, Z. Miller, (and Murphy?) picking apart the middle and sidelines.
Or, in cases of passes to the RB’s — A Corner AND a Safety covering DHB (or that “#1″ WR) means that DMac and Bush won’t have to deal with them until they’re already deep into the secondary. Then, I’ll put my money on those RB’s.
DHB’s impact on this team’s Offense will go WAAAAAAAAY beyond his “suspect hands.” One thing NOT supspect is his speed (when healthy)…even if his route-running at this level will be a work in progress. The first time JaMarcus hits DHB for a long TD (soon!?) will send a shiver through all of us — and will tell other DC’s they’ve got a lot more to worry about than in the past few years.
Everybody starts paying attention to “suspect hands” when those hands are 5-yards behind the opponent’s deepest DB on a regular basis. Even more so, when the guy is big enough and strong enough to go up and get the ball in tough traffic, when he doesn’t out-run his man — and it’s that part that I worry about more than anything else with DHB at this point. How long will it take for DHB to realize he’s as physically-capable and as talented as his opponents?
July 27th, 2009 at 2:17 pm
Dear Jamarcus Russell,
In a year where all the TV analysts are saying this is your make or break season I disagree. Typically the rule is 3 years before the “bust” tag can be applied and your first year didn’t count because of the hold-out. That contract is done, feed and house your family well and give us fan-family what we deserve; A Super Bowl!! Not this year, no pressure but in time? Yes, I believe in you.
So as a big fan of yours and an active member of the Raider Nation I have to ask you: ARE YOU READY? Are you ready to quiet the critics? Are you ready to handle the media? And most important are you ready to be the LEADER of the Oakland Raiders for the next 15 seasons? In the huddle, in the locker room, off and on the field, down by 7 with 1:32 in the 4th? ARE YOU READY?
Your skill is a gift, a god-given gift that was given to you for the purpose of winning and entertaining. And you ARE a RAIDER, so let’s do this huh? I don’t know yet if they gave you that right tools to be a true passer with DHB. Khalif Barnes etc..but only time will tell. And Garcia? They just put him there to light your fire. That’s all. You are the starter for now, but listen to Jeff because he has been around the block a few times seeing that he is 39 years old and all. But also know this, you are 24 years old right? You have your whole life ahead of you, don’t you want to go to the hall of fame some day? I think it’s possible but you need to apply yourself as a leader NOW! That’s where it starts.
While critics say what they say about you, they rarely mention the positive. Never have a seen you blame your WR’s or your O-line men, or slag off your team mates in the media (think Ryan Leaf), You seem to be accountable on the field. Never mind the big arm, that’s just something you already have. You were born to do this.
This season understand this; our defense against ranks worst against the run, and this will not allow you much time to even be on the field as teams will again know to simply eat up the clock on the Raiders by running the ball over and over. This was not addressed in the off season. The schedule is also VERY difficult. This means that 2-6 by mid-season is very possible. But it won’t be your fault necessarily , the organization is to blame for not putting the right people in place. Garcia will come in, he’ll win a couple games and the analysts will go crazy. Warren Sapp will be beaming with arrogance (even though he praised you a few months ago, what’s wrong with that dude?), and people will say “I told you so” BUT they will be wrong. I know there is greatness in you, I know you are pro-bowl material, and I know you can take US to the Super Bowl.
So go into this season as the leader of the Oakland Raiders, hold your head up high, get the team to play for you and gather around you and respect you as a LEADER!!
-A true fan
July 27th, 2009 at 2:19 pm
Hayes,
I agree with 279.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:20 pm
Mike Vick owes Terrell Owens big time.
T.O. obviously has the Commisioner’s ear!
what I think is funny?
Trent Edwards lobbied for the Bills to sign Owens and now Owens is lobbying for the Bills to sign Vick. LOL!
the QB/WR relationship is off to a good start, wouldn’t you say ???
July 27th, 2009 at 2:21 pm
Dear Jamarcus Russell,
stay away from Hometown Buffet
-A true fan
July 27th, 2009 at 2:23 pm
CantstandtheHaters Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 2:06 pm
forget Southwick. M Vick is fully reinstated by the commish and can participate in any team-activity. Southwick is gone…..
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Are you nuts? What can Vick do that Southwick can’t? Danny ran a 4.45 at the Occidental College pro day. In pads. At altitude. Against a headwind. Barefoot. And his middle name is Usain.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:25 pm
Has Goodell reinstated Cole Ford yet?
July 27th, 2009 at 2:27 pm
Will the Dodgers pick up Steve Howe for the pennant chase?
July 27th, 2009 at 2:32 pm
You people…
-A true fan
July 27th, 2009 at 2:33 pm
You people…
If I start using both, it was mine right? Please let it be mine!
-A true fan
July 27th, 2009 at 2:47 pm
I’d laugh if the Vikings said “so long Brett” and signed Mike Vick today at the vet minimum …
then they can cut him if he can’t beat out Tarvaris Jackson in camp/preseason
July 27th, 2009 at 2:48 pm
lol BSJ you forgot to mention he was running with the ball up high and running sideways simulating a rollout the entire forty with a three-step-drop-start instead of the regular starting routine hahaha
July 27th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
testing
July 27th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
You people…
Simon Bruty/SI Darrius Heyward-Bey
SELECTED BY: Raiders Round 1 (7) SI Grade4.04GRADING SYSTEM
Position:
WR Class:
Junior School:
Maryland Conference:
ACC Ht., Wt.:
6-1.5, 210 40 Time:
4.35
BIOGRAPHY: Three-year starter who posted 42/609/5 as a junior. All-Conference and All-America selection as a sophomore after career receiving totals of 51/786/3. Moved into the starting lineup as a freshman and posted 45/694/5.
POSITIVES: Game-breaking receiver with home run hitting speed. Quickly releases off the line into routes, immediately gets to top speed, and consistently displays the ability to run away from defenders. Can switch it on in one step, displays tremendous quickness in his all-around game, and makes a lot of acrobatic receptions with defenders draped on him. Easily adjusts to the errant throw, displays good eye/hand coordination, and is an agile pass catcher who gets vertical, extends skyward, and then pulls the pass from the air. Plays with good balance, body control, and effectively uses his frame to shield away opponents. Comes back to the quarterback to make himself an available target.
NEGATIVES: Has a thin frame and may struggle handling jams at the next level. Must give better effort as a blocker. Unnecessarily lets the pass get inside him at times. Was very spotty with his production last season.
ANALYSIS: Heyward-Bey has all the physical skills necessary to be game-breaking receiver at the next level. He comes off a disappointing junior campaign, yet if Heyward Bey physically matures and continues to develop his game, he will be a productive number one receiver at the next level.
PROJECTION: First Round
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More DHB kool-aid
-A true fan
July 27th, 2009 at 2:49 pm
oh yeh, i’m back!
July 27th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
oh yeh, i’m back
- A true fan
July 27th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
This team doesn’t win more than 5 games in a season until Al Davis is gone.
- A true fan
July 27th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
welcome back MR!
July 27th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
It’s so funny hearing Raider fans make fun of the state of other franchises, like the Raiders are on top of the football world.
- A true fan
July 27th, 2009 at 2:51 pm
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION BABY!
July 27th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Thank you, Rock Star
- A true fan
July 27th, 2009 at 2:52 pm
You people…
The Real MaddenRaider Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 2:50 pm
This team doesn’t win more than 5 games in a season until Al Davis is gone.
- A true fan
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I hope 9…
-A true fan
July 27th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
It’s so funny hearing Raider fans make fun of the state of other franchises, like the Raiders are on top of the football world.
***
they aren’t?
who spiked the Kool-Aid?
I thought Danny Southwick was an all-pro?
July 27th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
No, Rockstar, they aren’t. Care to make your case as to how the Raiders are on top of the football world, or even in the top half?
- A true fan
July 27th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
whats up SouthTexas?
long time, no see
July 27th, 2009 at 2:57 pm
i say 9 with faith….
enough to be the division champs!
OAKLAND RAIDERS AFC WEST DIVISION CHAMPS.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
This place is dead. I’ll let you kool aid drinkers enjoy the only time of the season when the Raiders are in contention. Training camp. LAter.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Funny the Greatest Raider Receiver of All Time is a slow-footed Bilentinkoff. Funny that.
July 27th, 2009 at 2:58 pm
Russell: 3200 yards, 20 TD’s
8 wins
AFC West Champs!
-A true fan
July 27th, 2009 at 2:59 pm
See ya Rockstar, 5:00pm in Podunk.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
9 probably will be enough to win the AFC west, STR. But how does that help us when we’re winning more than 5?
July 27th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
nothing much. its been awhile, i chime in every now and then to see whats good. more now that football season is getting closer.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:00 pm
Russell 3200 yards? Sure you don’t mean lbs.?
July 27th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
see y’all tomorrow!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 3:01 pm
Because if you mean lbs., I agree. Russell could hit 3200 lbs. by the end of this season.
- A true fan
July 27th, 2009 at 3:03 pm
lol, helps us back to over .500 and a big fahqin boost of confidence for the players and organization.
PLUS…
shutting all the fahqin media, bspn, AND raider haters the fahq up.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:04 pm
Good Lord, Oakcrapper – did you go to high school in the freakin’ 60s? At first I thought you weren’t as old and washed up as old Krappy, but with your corvette references, 3rd grade writing level and incoherent blog posts … you may be even worse.
Trust me bros, I never thought I’d ever say those dreaded 5 words.
Anyway old dude, there is hope for you. Like I’ve been instructing that fossil Krappy, there are places for people with your degenerative mental condition that you need to be. Places where bedpans come under every mattress. Where the oatmeal flows as freely as the waterfalls of Oahu. Where there is no internet for miles and miles.
Anyway, you old dog, we’ll get to work on this right away. Today, the football blog – tomorrow, bingo night!
July 27th, 2009 at 3:06 pm
im out.
peace raider brothers.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:11 pm
oh-oh, watch out everything discussed turn into an AD bashing coupled with history lessons. again. im out
DHB 20 cths for 4, 500 with 8-10 reverses for 5-6 first downs powering scoring drives to help us win 1-2 games. extra, mitches
July 27th, 2009 at 3:15 pm
AD sheep bashers again….
definately out.
peace out to the real raider brothers.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
Seattle ranked 25 in Points allowed and 30 in Yds allowed in 2008.
John Marshall’s last year as DC.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:20 pm
KoolKell Says:
Funny the Greatest Raider Receiver of All Time is a slow-footed Bilentinkoff. Funny that.
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And…we’re waiting for the point…
Is it that we should’ve gone after the slowest WR college football? Didn’t Al just try that with a slow LB in Frantz J?
That damn Al…can’t pick anybody right, slow of fast. Whether or not they’ve seen the field yet.
Is that the point?
Good one!
July 27th, 2009 at 3:21 pm
…slow OR fast, duh.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:30 pm
Michael Vick is conditionally reinstated…Al is going to sign Michael Vick to play QB, convert Russell to LT and cut Mario Henderson.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:31 pm
Was up STR, long time no read?
July 27th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
I see that g@y Fu(ker is awake.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:33 pm
Afternoon MR.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:35 pm
Seattle was 18th against the run,but 32nd against the pass.it is a certainty we will be much better than 32nd against the pass.if he(Marshall) can get our run Def. into the teens,we will have a very formidable Def.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:37 pm
Marshall…god I hope you can do better than Rob fukin Ryan!
July 27th, 2009 at 3:41 pm
Hey, Lady Raccoon! Haven’t seen you in here in weeks! I guess you’ve been locked in your bedroom watching West Side Story again. All that singing and dancing really speaks to you and the rest of the South Sacramento gang community, huh?
Anyway, great to see you out and about again. You are one awesome chick!
July 27th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
Dakota, 322.
You have it wrong.
Al is going to sign Michael Vick, convert him to a wide receiver, convert Russell to left tackle, and make McFadden the QB.
July 27th, 2009 at 3:46 pm
Dwaine Board DL Coach Seattle 2008
Seattle had 35 sacks
Oakland had 34 sacks
July 27th, 2009 at 3:47 pm
Kirk…and then he will cut DHB before he has to pay him the $25 million dollar signing bonus because Vick is probably a better WR today than DHB will ever be…
July 27th, 2009 at 3:53 pm
If we still need the help a week from now…and even if we don’t…
If there’s one, ummm, troubled player I wouldn’t mind taking a serious look at, it would be WR Matt Jones.
This guy just figured out how to play at a top level, when he let it all slip away. Twice.
He knows he’s only going to get one more real chance to prove himself while young, and he’s going to be a financial super-bargain for the team that signs him. Low signing bonus, escalation clauses, tougher behavior clauses than others = one guy who desperately needs to not fock up again.
Unlike our own Barret R. — Jones’ problem seems to have been immaturity, not chemical imbalances (self-induced or otherwise).
Jones is a proven WR, and we have a team that has only one…and he’s “old” and slow to heal. He can come in and get 50+ catches right now, and be the most thankful and loyal Raider to come along in years.
Just sayin…
On Matt Jones:
(pft)
Jones says: “The bottom line was it was a mistake I made and paid for. Really, I can’t point the finger at anybody else but myself.”
And Jones has tarnished his reputation severely.
In addition to his off-field problems, Jones’ work ethic is definitely under scrutiny.
Wright spoke with an unnamed former NFL head coach about how Jones is perceived around the league, and the review wasn’t a positive one.
“I don’t know the specifics of Matt’s situation, but guys like him and Mike Vick — obviously, Matt’s situation isn’t as serious — but I think teams are reluctant to deal with character problems,” the anonymous coach said. “There have been guys who have come through in the past I’ve worked with [that ran into legal difficulties] who are still trying to get back in.
“Once nobody trusts you, it’s hard to get back into the league. Another thing about Matt is he’s got a bit of a rep for being a lazy guy.”
For Matt Jones, it’s a lot of self-imposed obstacles to overcome.
However, at least he sounds committed to trying to change his ways.
“I’m just sorry for making these mistakes and how everything turned out,” Jones said “I let down my family, friends and people close to me, my teammates,” Jones said. “I feel bad for my mother having to go through so much in everyday life, people saying stuff to her.
“At the same time, all this has brought our family closer together. Everybody makes mistakes. Anybody who knows me, they know my heart and know there was never any type of problem with drugs or alcohol. I can’t worry about what other people are thinking.”
July 27th, 2009 at 3:56 pm
I hope the commish tells any team that signs Vick that if they decide to give Vick a shot and Vick screws up again, the team loses draft picks and cash.
Didn’t the commish come out and say a couple of years ago that teams who sign these losers will also be subject to punishment if the player fuks up again?
July 27th, 2009 at 3:57 pm
Hey, maybe Jones can get Russell hooked on coke…that will take care of the weight problem…
July 27th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
while sacks are great,pressure is more important than sacks.pressure causes mistakes-ints,fumbles,etc.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
Some guys you get a feeling will straighten up (Matt Jones?).
Some guys don’t give you the feeling they’ll straighten up (Pacman Jones!).
Matt Jones would be a great, cheap experiment…with huge upside for the team that takes a small risk.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:06 pm
Lefty12 Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 4:03 pm
while sacks are great,pressure is more important than sacks.pressure causes mistakes-ints,fumbles,etc.
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What???????? Obfuscation?
July 27th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
Matt Jones = too slow for AL
July 27th, 2009 at 4:07 pm
KK — Don’t be breakin’ out those big words…
July 27th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
KK-you know what i’m talking about!
July 27th, 2009 at 4:09 pm
Don’t know if he’s the vetteran leader we are looking for.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
Krappy is obviously still drowsy from nap time and having trouble with English. And I’m sure the bottle of Nyquil he pounded is the reason he just took a blue dump in his pants.
I hope the old fool makes it long enough to see dinner.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
i should have said “as important” instead of more important.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:15 pm
Lefty12 Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 4:12 pm
i should have said “as important” instead of more important.
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But what’s the point. I reported that Dwaine Board as D-Line Coach of Seattle last year had 35 sacks. The Raiders had 34.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:17 pm
AZ,
Matt Jones ran a 4.3+ at the combine. The Ark QB flashed great speed at the combine so the Jags drafted him to become a WR.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:18 pm
just making a statement like you like to do.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:20 pm
I still fart on Matt Jones… Do we need another WR?
July 27th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
AS,
He also 6′6 230, so he has the heart size & speed combo that likes so much.
He showed talent as a WR, but off the field issues caused him to miss games and get cut by the Jags.
Too bad, I really liked the kid.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:23 pm
You people…
I still fart on him.
-A true fan
July 27th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
That is a pretty good target though.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:26 pm
AZ,
I dbt think we need another WR, especially not Jones, but I was just sharing what I knew about him.
Now,
Let me put like this:
I fart on the whinners, but less on Jones.
lol
July 27th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Last year, the Raiders had the 13th-most Sacks in the NFL…and only three other Defenses scored more Safeties (3) than the Raiders’ 2. Those are weird stats for one of the worst Defenses in the league.
We already know our LB’s can tackle. We know last year’s front-line personnel created at least SOME havoc, or we wouldn’t have had the 13th-most Sacks in the league (just ahead of the Super Bowl Cardinals).
We do not know what the Safety position/s hold for us this year, but it can pretty much only get better…and, if the Safety position is an improvement over last year, the Defense should be more than just a little bit better.
Ahhh…optimism. Like a breath of fresh air.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
I Smoke!! I Drink!!
Matt Jones!!
lol
July 27th, 2009 at 4:28 pm
Look, if the Raiders can’t make use of Randy Moss, it’s really hard to see what any Receiver here could do.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:30 pm
I do coke!!!
Matt Jones!!
lol
OAK,
I know you know bro!
July 27th, 2009 at 4:32 pm
I thought ole Al Davis hit the Lottery when he got Randy Moss. I was hyped!!!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 4:33 pm
When we had Moss, Did we have:
JR
DMC
Bush
Cable
Marshall
Diff team!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 4:35 pm
We didn’t have Miller!!!
Can you imagine how many passes Miller could have had if Moss was on the team?
1st look Moss, and the 2nd look is Miller.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
Who the h*ll did Randy Moss have throwing him the ball? Didn’t we lead the league in sacks allowed his 2nd year? We had no supporting cast for moss… 1.5 seconds to throw the ball, aint enough, and I don’t care who you have at WR. You think our O-line is bad now? That’s when it was at its worst (When we had Randy). Some washed up old vets taking snaps and a turnstyle LT LOL…
July 27th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
3rd look, Sack!!!!
lol
July 27th, 2009 at 4:40 pm
That was the worst Oline I have ever watched next to the Texans in their 1st year.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:41 pm
Yeah, what the h3ll is everyone complaining about? We could be the 2005-2006 Oakland Riaders LOL… See, we’re improving!
July 27th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Randy still caught 60, over 1000yds. But, something smelled “fishy”
July 27th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
KoolKell Says:
Look, if the Raiders can’t make use of Randy Moss, it’s really hard to see what any Receiver here could do.
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Again…waiting for the point?
That we should never take another receiver — even the slowest (or fastest) WR available — ever again?
If it wasn’t done your way, KK — it wasn’t done right? Right? Yeah, thought so.
But, you won’t get too specific about what you KNOW will be better than what the Raiders have going on right now, will you? No way.
Tell us what your SURE-FIRE, GUARANTEED, BETTER THAN AL WAY of doing things, KK.
I’d love to know what your draft picks would’ve been — easy to do now that they’ve all been selected — and I’d like to compare those picks to what Al actually did, KK. You even have a head-start, considering the dark Sulak mystery (will he be back??).
My bet is, KK, that even with the head-start, your picks won’t fare better than Al’s picks…and that would just be too funny.
C’mon, KK — You want to cut to the chase? Give us your draft picks — different than Al’s, but the players had to have been there when the Raiders selected. Then we’ll check them against Al’s picks as the year goes on — good and bad, down the line.
It’s not the most scientific test…but it MIGHT narrow you down to a FOOTBALL opinion for once. (As opposed to you HAVING a narrow opinion, period.)
Fact is…your picks probably won’t do any better than Al’s will. Got it in you to go up against The Old Man, with your, ummm…”credibility” on the line?
July 27th, 2009 at 4:48 pm
700 somthing i think in 2006 though, and it still smelled fishy LOL…
July 27th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
And, KK — You being “hyped” over the Randy Moss signing — as opposed to being more wary of the signing — says a lot already. Moss was never right for this team or this coast…and even if he were, it would’ve taken a lot more than his mediocre effort to show it.
You probably thought the idiot Romanowski’s signing was the best LB signing the Raiders ever had, too.
Starting to understand you a little more clearly now…
July 27th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
HayesDaze37
KoolKell would never accept a challenge such as yours. She is too weak minded to open her mind sufficiently enough to let some realism seep in.
I HIGHLY DOUBT that KK would ever subject himself to such abject failure and the ensuing persecution.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:55 pm
Look, KoolKell’s name is not on title, Al Davis’ IS.
I’m just commenting on a blog, as someone who’s watched the Raiders longer than 99.8 percent of you.
Don’t take it personal.
July 27th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
Koolkell is sooo predictable
lmao
July 27th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
what are you afraid of little man? He of little faith in his own abilities.
lmao
July 27th, 2009 at 4:57 pm
HayesDaze37
You are the phukkin man by the way
July 27th, 2009 at 5:00 pm
You people…
Wait a sec, I thought I was tha man….????
-A true fan
July 27th, 2009 at 5:04 pm
Wait a second, KK…
You’re the one who has absolutely nothing positive to say about the Raiders/Al’s draft choices. You hammer and hammer away, but I’ve asked you WHO would you have taken in the same spots?
Now…it’s just a meek “I have an opinion”…as opposed to your sure-fired almighty pontificating on the subject of Al’s bad GM moves?
What are your picks, KK? You even know Mike Crabtree’s still not healthy…that should give you some help, too. You gonna take Crabtree?
C’mon, man — everybody wants to know WHO KK WOULD HAVE PICKED in each round.
It’s important. C’mon, Kell.
July 27th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
Play with yourself, lol
July 27th, 2009 at 5:08 pm
BSD — Thx…but it’s not about me. It’s about the TEAM and the TRUTH — even when it (figuratively) hurts ME.
What a martyr!
July 27th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT
KK…ABSOLUTELY WILL NOT PUT HIS PICKS ON RECORD, BECAUSE HE’S AFRAID HIS PICKS WILL BE WORSE THAN AL’S.
HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT
July 27th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/07/27/sulak-finally-gets-another-shot/
July 27th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Nice read, Lynn. Dunno if he’ll sign either place, but here’s hoping the kid gets a real shot somewhere before he’s done. Even back here, if he doesn’t get signed…
July 27th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
I wonder who that 199th pick was for NE ?
July 27th, 2009 at 5:25 pm
A real muther tucker I’m sure
July 27th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
My 1st rounders:
2003 = Nnamdi Asomugha
2004 = Larry Fitzgerald
2005 = Jammal Brown
2006 = Michael Huff (Deangelo Williams was gone)
2007 = Jamarcus Russell
2008 = Darren McFadden (Can’t pass him up)
2009 = Dunno… Depends how the above worked out LOL.
July 27th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
who thinks J. Russ is showing up at camp weighing closer to 255 llbs. or 290 llbs.? Whoever guesses closest wins a prize…
July 27th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
260LBS!
July 27th, 2009 at 5:52 pm
There simply is no “right” way to draft. Draft experts and “genius” GM’s need to get lucky just as often (or more) than just having made good evaluations. The evaluation processes aren’t so different for each team…and ALL teams have the same info on the players (some more than others, depending on who/what service/s they subscribe to).
The “genius” of Belichik lies in #199 Tom Brady…and BB’s roll of the dice by leaving him on the field over the veteran Drew Bledsoe. That act of “genius” is the difference between BB’s sad legacy in Cleveland and that in New England. Had Brady broke his leg that first Playoff game, would the NE dynasty have happened? Don’t know…but one good, or bad, break sometimes can affect history in ways one can never predict.
NOBODY knew back then that Brady would have 3 SB rings by now. Nobody except KK, maybe.
Let’s hope the only breaks we hear of for the Raiders are things like “break-out year” or “break-away speed” for once. Or a lot more than once.
*****And, no, all you trolls and known haters — I do not believe the Raiders are where they are because of bad breaks. The Raiders are where they are because they deserve to be there…
…0-0 to start the year.*****
July 27th, 2009 at 5:55 pm
JaMarcus is a 267-lb-er if I’ve ever seen one. But he moves like a 260-lb-er at worst!
An athletic 267-lb-er is alright by me.
July 27th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
259lbs.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
Raider fan 36 years read you guys go back and fourth all the time we will only see what this season brings. I here who we drafted who we didn”t cant stop run ,cant pass, should have kept moss,why is Jruss not in probowl ect.True Raider fans just wait and see if we can get it done and enjoy watching RAIDER BALL.We all know we had to rebuild after Superbowl lost alot of vets you know who they are. like are whole O line and many more on the O .Al tried to reload with players like Moss,Sapp ect. The Raider way instead of rebuild but I feel we finally are rebuilt thru draft. Jruss is second year give him a chance Receivers are young lets see what they can do in starting roles, RBs if healthy should do well and have a quality TE O line will be in 3rd year of Cable system should do even better.Saying that if we can keep D off the field we will look better in the stats dept as many of you base your knowledge on. many yards aganist our D came late in 4th qt how many tims in the last 2 years would we have the run shut down for 3 qts on the field most the time than they would break 50+ run there is your run stat. Ryan was no help how many games would we be up our just need a stop and he would go away from the preasure we been putting and go to prevent that is 5 years. I think Cable,Marshall and a New young rebuilt team should give us fans something to cheer for on Sundays. Win lose or tie Raider till I die Go Raiders………
July 28th, 2009 at 6:06 am
i see theres alot of questions about branch in college let me be of some assistance i lived in ct my whole life uconn football is still a new thing but im a fan but i bleed black n siver he started out as a db and special teams his junior and senoir year started at safety and let me tell u he hit like a truck also a great special teams player u saw a taste of it last year hopefully him and mitchell can give opposing wr shaky hands and alligator arms
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