DHB the only mystery
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, July 27th, 2009 at 6:06 pm in Oakland Raiders.
When the Raiders begin checking in to the Napa Marriott Tuesday, chances are the only mystery will be if first-round draft pick Darrius Heyward-Bey is among them.
The club continued to quietly bring rookies into the fold (although they aren’t confirming anything and likely won’t until Tom Cable addresses the media Wednesday), with word trickling out that safety Mike Mitchell had agreed to terms and Matt Shaugnessy (according to Profootballtalk.com) having been signed some five days ago.
The club hasn’t updated its transaction page in 12 days, since waiving linebacker Frantz Joseph.
The agent for Brandon Myers confirmed a four-year contract late last week, and getting a fourth-round deal done with wide receiver Louis Murphy would seem to be a formality. Fourth-round picks don’t hold out.
Considering that neither No. 6 overall pick Andre Smith (Cincinnati) and No. 8 pick Eugene Monroe (Jacksonville) have yet to sign contracts, it makes the negotiating for Heyward-Bey more difficult.
Heyward-Bey is represented by Tom Condon, who may be of the opinion that the Raiders are an unlimited ATM after his clients Nnamdi Asomugha and Shane Lechler set new standards for their respective positions this offseason.
Twitter updates from camp
Went into the office today for a new phone I barely know how to use, but I’ll try to muddle through as best I can on my Twitter page. I’ll file some quick hit updates from the Marriott tomorrow as players begin to check in as well as post blog entries.
The blog is tentatively scheduled to be switched to a new server Wednesday between 7 a.m. and 10 a.m. with no new posts or comments during that period. I’ll post a reminder Tuesday.
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July 27th, 2009 at 6:12 pm
1st!! Yes, I am still here, just lurking these days.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:14 pm
Here we go!
July 27th, 2009 at 6:19 pm
HayesDaze37 OWNS KoolKell
Kell is such a pansy he is afraid to put his money where his mouth is. He is sooo WEAK.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
Why the little dogs yapping at my heels?
July 27th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Dogs chase B!tches
lmao
July 27th, 2009 at 6:31 pm
KK — I’m not yappin’ at your heels…
I ask you for your picks, you ignore the request like it never happened.
A case as closed as your mind.
KK — What other posters (and imposters, get it?) do to your reputation is on you, and your failure to answer the call.
Time and again.
Now, movin’ right along…
July 27th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
HayesDaze
I ignore you because…debating you is worthless. I think your off your rocker, every time you see my moniker you go into an emotional hissy fit. Babbling, incoherent…..useless.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:37 pm
DHB is more than one mystery. When he shows up, how much of him will be ready to play?
Whose bum leg issue/s will be more important to the Raiders’ chances…
…MM’s or DHB’s?
July 27th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
KK — If you were ignoring me, you wouldn’t address me. Duh.
Stop addressing me every time you tell me you’re ignoring me.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
Nnamdi guest on Chronicle Live for the whole hour. If your going to believe ANYTHING Raiders, it should be what you hear from his mouth. A natural Raider and class athlete.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 6:36 pm
“HayesDaze
I ignore you because…debating you is worthless. I think your off your rocker, every time you see my moniker you go into an emotional hissy fit. Babbling, incoherent…..useless.”
I beg to differ old man. I see you responding to Hayes time and again, I even see you copying and pasting his posts ALL THE TIME like a the lil b!tch that you are.
Do you realize that you are COMPLETELY FULL OF SH!T? Such a pathetic little man.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:45 pm
Aso says expect more blitzing and better gap control purely from the DC’s new coaching stratagies.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
Hayes straight up OWNS KOOLKELL
July 27th, 2009 at 6:46 pm
lol
July 27th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
I’m tellin u guys to watch that sht if you have the means. Good stuff, and as close to the truth as u can get. He kinda punked Rob Ryan, it’s funny.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
lmao
July 27th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
KoolKell
Why are you so afraid to put up or shut up?
I know the answer, but do you?
July 27th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
AD will make (and likely has made) a fair offer to DHB. DHB had better take it, because he needs AD’s good will to get playing time in the next year or two.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
Hayes OWNS KoolKell
July 27th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
As soon as KoolKell gets called on something he drops the subject quicker than DHB drops a pass.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
BS Detector Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
As soon as KoolKell gets called on something he drops the subject quicker than DHB drops a pass.
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So you agree DHB was a strange draft pick at #7
July 27th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Who cares if DHB even plays this year? He’s like a Christmas present purchased on Dec. 26th! He’s a wide out who came out early (thankfully/hopefully), what can you possibly expect in his first year in the NFL. He’s gonna be lost till week 8 anyway! Maybe I’m being harsh lol, but damn they take time to develope anyway… Seasons though, not 1 freakin training camp.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:57 pm
Oh, I care A LOT about DHB playing this year. I’d rather he be a Christmas present bought on the 24th than on the 26th, thank you very much.
July 27th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
I don’t think it’s urgent to the Raiders if DHB contributes this year. They already have speed on the outside with exp.
Then the question is why not use a #7 on urgent needs at 5-11?
July 27th, 2009 at 6:59 pm
Man what kind of sucks is that Murphy is going to be so good that people will wonder what could have been with that number seven pick.
DHB = Ricky Dudley
I might also add, Michael Vick seems a lot more intriguing that Jeff Garcia, IMO.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
I’m just saying… Nevermind, he’ll play and he’ll get signed in time.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:05 pm
The “greatest” Jerry Rice dropped passes. Other Raiders greats Tim Brown and Freddie B dropped passes. It’s gonna happen to DHB. Hopefully not so much that they just have to stop using him (Mike Williams, anyone?).
I’d rather picture DHB catching passes than dropping them, thank you again. I’m sure that’s what he tries to envision, too.
Ahhh…it’s a beautiful sight to behold, when a play happens the way you want it to.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:07 pm
I just went back and watched some more highlights of DHB. I love the kid’s attitude and I really hope he succeeds, but I think he has a lot of work to do to succeed in the NFL.
Most of his catches are sloppy. He doesn’t snag the ball cleanly and keep his stride going. He kind of stops and it takes too long for him to secure the ball and return to full speed. He has to get a lot sharper in this aspect if he’s ever going to be good at the NFL level.
Hopefully the coaches can fix this. His breakaway speed is obvious, he’s got very good size, seems to have a great attitude and what looks like pretty long arms. So he’s got potential.
I think Maclin will be the best WR from this class though. Definitely for the next few seasons. Hopefully DHB kicks azz though. I’m rooting for him to make the Cris Carters of the NFL analyst landscape look more foolish than they already are.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:08 pm
Kk,
We needed so much, why does it matter what order you get it in? We needed a QB, we needed a big time RB, we needed a big play threat WR… We still need lots of other things. But when you hear Nnamdi talk to Greg Papa tonight you’ll get the feeling as I did, that the Raiders D isn’t so much about the personel, but the lack of coaching technique. So, maybe our defensive needs aren’t what we though. We’ll see, but if he’s more right than we are, maybe we only need address the O line and we’re set.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Time to develop? Anyone say that to Royal in Denver?
At seven you shouldn’t be a “time to develop” kind of guy, especially at the wide out position.
Like I said, Murphy is going to make the Raiders wish they drafted for defense with #7.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:13 pm
Oh yea I forgot besides QB the WR position is the easiest in the Pros to catch on to…
July 27th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
I don’t think it’s urgent to the Raiders if DHB contributes this year. They already have speed on the outside with exp.
Then the question is why not use a #7 on urgent needs at 5-11?
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OK…Once again, KK — What are your picks, in lieu of Al’s picks, from this year’s draft?
What exactly is a more “urgent need” than a weapon for JaMarcus?
And…WHO is the experience and speed outside? Javon Walker? I’m not sure, but aren’t you one who says Javon’s washed up, and Al didn’t know what he was doing signing him?
At what point is it OK for Al to try and rectify his bad judgment on Javon? Only with 5th-rounders and up?
On our 5-11 team, there were way more “urgent needs” than at just one or two positions. The only debate was when to pick what. The only proof of anyone working out is at least weeks away — for all teams.
KK still won’t say who he would’ve picked over Al’s picks.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Whatever dude, that’s a weak argument, considering all the guys in recent years like Johnson, and Jackson and Colston who’ve made immediate impacts on their teams.
DHB is not in their league and is simply another Ricky Dudley.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
Doesn’t matter, #7 or #150, a wide out is generally a season or two away from “real” impact. I never said in every case. We’ll see how Royal does this year with orton, and we all knew Desaun Jackson was the man when he played for Cal. If you think Murphy is a better WR your crazy, but they are of the same mold.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
I just love the Raider fan that agrees with everything Al does without question. Despite all the other teams doing things differently and being successful, typical Raider fan follows Al without question hoping that repeating the same bad decisions will bring about a diffrent outcome…that’s what we call insanity.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
And who said DHB couldn’t make an impact?
DHB will change us. He’ll catch jump balls for us, he’ll take safties with him and catch the ocational bomb over the top. But don’t ask for 20 TD’s and 1400 yards. 600 yards, 5 TD, I’m happy with the rookie.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
Who said I support everything Al? Dude you obviously don’t read my posts. But I haven’t seen you much in here either so….
July 27th, 2009 at 7:27 pm
I still think Maualuga or Maclin should’ve been the pick. Hope I’m wrong. I’ll be rooting for the kid.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
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July 27th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
I thought we could have got both with a trade. Malauga and DHB.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
Thanks to the Raiders’ MeAngelo Hall, Eddie Royal had a sensational start to his career…but, after his Bye week, he produced more rookie-like figures.
Royal’s impressive rookie stats:
91-Rec/980-Yards/5 TD’s
BUT…10% of his season’s total came in the one game against Hall. The next time he faced the Raiders and #37 Chris Johnson, he had 2-Catches/14-Yards.
During the last 7-weeks of last season, and even though Denver was throwing the ball all over the place…Royal had 4-games of less-than-50-yards receiving (one game he had a 71-yard run, too).
Even with his late-season slowdown in production, Royal’s rookie year was a great success.
Why not DHB?
July 27th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
800 yards would be a GREAT season, and no one said he CANT. I just won’t be screaming bloody murder if he doesn’t. I’m a Raider fan bro, I’d love that to happen, I just don’t expect that though.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:46 pm
How is that almost every scout that matters says DHB is a 1st rnd pick. Rated somewhere in the top 20 or so. But if he goes higher especially as high as #7 all of sudden he can’t catch or he’s too raw. If you are worth a 1st rnd pick in virtually everybodies eyes. How is it you can’t catch??? doesn’t make sense.
You would’ve thought Cris Carter was talking about a RFA possibility. DHB is going to be OK, he may not be as polished as we would like but he is supremely talented. I wrote before that IMO DHB is a better (WR) reciever than Tim Brown was. He’s more skilled, faster, bigger, stronger and hands down a better route runner.
The biggest thing is DMC and MBush along with ZM. There are some outstanding weapons on this team. DHB will not have to carry this team, he will compliment what’s already here. If he can effectively stretch the field he will force defense to play honest. That’s why he’s here to force the safety deep and open up the field. Everyone will benefit from his speed downfield especially the running game.
Can you imagine ZMiller singled up on a LBer or safety, he’s never had that luxury. Yes if DHB can bust thse zones he will be well worth the pick…………period
July 27th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
Oh, yeah…the reason I chose the last 7-weeks of Royal’s season was because that was the end of his 100+yard reception days for the year.
As it was…Royal “only” had 3 100+yard games the entire year.
So, in a large sense, Royal had a greatly successful rookie year. In another sense, though, you’ve got to wonder if he was just another flashy rookie…now a journeyman-to-be. Lots of flashes get figured out by the end of each season.
Calling DHB Dudley before he’s taken the field is just Gallery-ing the kid unfairly. He’s got a shot.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
I expect 1000 out of Chaz and 3000 from Russell.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
I would have taken Michael Crabtree, BJ Raji, Alex Mack, before DHB.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
1,000 from Chaz?
1,000 from Z Miller?
600 from JLH?
400 from DMac?
That’s 3,000 already.
Those numbers are completely reachable, with DHB not even in the make-believe stats.
Optimism. What a concept.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Man don’t talk about Rey Rey it makes me sick to my stomach that we didn’t get him. I still can’t believe he lasted until 2nd rnd and WE didn’t get him it drives me crazy.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
Good news that Mitchell is in the fold. He needs all the time to prepare that he can get, even if is going to be just a gunner initially. He and DHB missed quite a bit of time already.
July 27th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
No No No, KK!!!
You can’t throw out 3-names for one pick!
That increases your odds even more than the head-start you have.
Wow…what a character you are, KK.
Who is the ONE player you would pick for EACH player Al picked?
None of this Oakland-Alameda new math, 3-for-1 stuff.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
…”who may be of the opinion that the Raiders are an unlimited ATM after his clients Nnamdi Asomugha and Shane Lechler set new standards for their respective positions this offseason.”
Yeah but those two guys absolutely deserved to get that money compared to unproven draft picks. Also Tom Condon’s camp is supposed to be smart about negotiating and getting the best deal for everybody involved, at least from what I’ve heard.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
We were one pick away right?
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# priesttj Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
Man don’t talk about Rey Rey it makes me sick to my stomach that we didn’t get him. I still can’t believe he lasted until 2nd rnd and WE didn’t get him it drives me crazy.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
We’ll have to wait and see if we needed Rey M. Nnamdi told Greg Papa today, Rob Ryan didn’t coach gap control, LOL. I couldn’t believe he said it either!
July 27th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
# KoolKell Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
I would have taken Michael Crabtree, BJ Raji, Alex Mack, before DHB.
======================================================= I don’t think any of the above is worth the no. 7 pick.
Drafting in the top ten is not where the value is.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
KK’s just avoiding the question again.
Not unusual.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
Lol, nice post Lynn! You’re right there, not without a cap!
July 27th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
HD37, I will be a little disappointed if in the second half of the year that opposing teams coaches aren’t staying up very late trying devise ways to stop our offense. For the first time in 4 years we’re going into the year with definite weapons on offense with the QB in place to get it done.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
A few things folks”
1. Tyvon Branch is competing to be the starting SS…he is not just a special teams guy.
2. Schilens and Johnnie Lee Higgins are going to progress in their 2nd and 3rd years respectively. JLH is more than just a slot receiver. entering his 3rd yr…the game will slow down for him
3. The Raiders have the team they want to go to battle with. Lawd knows I have been a fierce critic of the draft strategy. However, the coaches have staked a lot on their belief in the talents on the O-Line, D-Line and yes JHill…the MLB and SLB positions too.
Let’s see what happens in camp.
BTW….DHB shoud be doing everything in his power to get to camp. If there is someone who needs the reps more than anyone its this guy. Tell the agent to copy Sedrick Ellis’ contract last year and multiply by 1.04
July 27th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
That’s not bad though KK those are at least viable options. Alex Mack might be the best of them ultimately.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Trust me…DHB knows how much he needs to learn. And watching Murphy do what DHB couldn’t do in OTA’s, was a great motivator. Now, if that pesky hammie will just be healed by Wednesday!
July 27th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
AZ I’ve been saying it all along, you can see it on film.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
Branch and Mitchell are the the future enforcers at safety Al’s been searching 20 yrs for a safety tandem and this might be the one that sticks.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Wait, BHP…
KK will not answer who his ONE PICK would be, instead of Al’s ONE PICK each step along the way in the draft.
He throws out 3-names, not 1.
KK — Who is the one player you would have over DHB?
The one player over MM?
Just how many of Al’s draft picks do you disagree with, KK? This is your chance to tell us who will be better, before the year starts, so we can follow the players in question.
C’mon, man…it’s really simple!
July 27th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Bet you said the same thing about Huff or Bates or Gibson or Dorsett or…………..
July 27th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
NEWS, OBSERVATIONS AND READER QUESTIONS ABOUT THE OAKLAND RAIDERS
July 27, 2009
Nnamdi speaks out on eve of camp…
Just returned from an inspiring weekend in Cooperstown, where I was covering baseball’s Hall of Fame inductions and where former A’s star Rickey Henderson admitted again that his childhood dream was to play for the Raiders and that, later in his career, he wanted to pull a Bo Jackson and play both sports.
Anywho, current running back Michael Bush was on my connecting flight home from Chicago to Oakland, preparing to report to Napa for training camp and All-Pro cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha was on Comcast Sportsnet’s “Chronicle Live” show Monday evening. He had an inkling as to why high-priced acquisition DeAngelo Hall was such a flop with the Raiders last season.
“A lot of confidence in him, but one of the things that he wasn’t used to was the amount of man-to-man coverage that we played,” Nnamdi told the show’s host, Greg Papa, who is also the voice of the Raiders. “You know, and I would talk with him during games, I would talk with him after games, during practice, and he would be just so confused. He was like, ‘Why are we playing this much man-to-man? I have never done this in all of my life.’ So that was the thing that he had to get adjusted to.”
Cut by Oakland midway through last season, and after collecting some $8 million from Al Davis, Hall was scooped up by Washington and was resigned to a six-year contract worth at least $23-million by the Redskins.
“You know, (DeAngelo is) a zone corner but can play man in spots and he does it great,” Nnamdi added. “He does what he does very well. But when you have to do man the whole time, it can get frustrating to guys.”
Nnamdi also spoke on why Chris Johnson performed so well in replacing Hall.
“I wasn’t surprised,” Nnamdi said. “He’s a little older than the other guys on the team…and his thing was, ‘I have nothing to lose. I came in after DeAngelo. They wanted the world from him; we didn’t get the world from him. So I have nothing to lose. What are they going to expect from me?’ So that was how Chris came into each game and he played very well.”
Nnamdi also laughed off rumors that the Raiders would make a move at recently reinstated Michael Vick, the disgraced quarterback who served time for running an illegal dog fighting and gambling ring.
“I usually think it’s an easy thing to say,” Nnamdi said. “Anytime there’s a criminal or someone that’s just gotten out of jail, everyone says, ‘Oh, the Raiders are going to take him.’”
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July 27th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
Too easy.
It IS a great night to be a Raiders fan!
Isn’t it?
July 27th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Love how the Raiders all the sudden have these great weapons on offense yet other than Miller not a single one has done squat in the NFL. But yeah, major weapons.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
I know HD37, I was just giving him a little credit for knowing some names. I wouldn’t have taken any of them at #7 either but at least KK knew some names. lol
July 27th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
He punks Rob Ryans coaching later in the interview but I can’t find it.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
Dude, what do you want man?? another argument huh?? get a life Dude!!
July 27th, 2009 at 8:26 pm
Turns out Ryan left too much up interpretation. When you don’t teach fundamentals your asking for disaster. Bill Walsh was huge on fundamentals. Back in the day I used to watch Big Al teach technigue and fundamentals. He still will to this day pull a young aside and point out technigue. It’s critical.
Tiger Woods has to work on fundamentals and technigue……..what was Ryan thinking?
July 27th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
I would have taken Michael Crabtree, BJ Raji, Alex Mack, before DHB.”
Honestly I was calling for Eugene Monroe when #7 came around. I was stunned that Monroe was still on the board.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
I know. I bet Nnamdi signing and Rob leaving went hand and hand. I got the feeling if Rob was staying, Nnamdi wouldn’t have.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
No argument to be made. All those guys you tout has never done a thing in the NFL. All your doing is WISHING they end up being good players. Period. No argument needed.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:37 pm
Priesttj,
Rob Ryan is gone now. While he surely deserves part of the blame for being on the coaching staff…he also had the trust and confidence of Al Davis for the last 5 or 6 yrs through several head coaches.
Let’s see what John Marshall can do
July 27th, 2009 at 8:51 pm
None of them has done anything?? Are you aware of the fact that the preponderance of these players are going into their second or third season starting including Russell.
What the hell do you expect?? But I get it, you can’t judge talent OK. Well I can, and I say this offense has talent enough to eventually be dominant. That’s my opinion!! wether you like it or not.
State your own opinion!!
July 27th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
“Barring a miracle, however, first-round pick Larry English will not be present.
Negotiations with the 16th overall pick are hardly off the ground.
He doesn’t want to play for a team that will never win a super bowl”
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can’t find the article but its autor is Kevin Acee. Truthfully, 28 of the 32 1st rounders are unsigned, but it would be great to see English refuse to play for SD.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:55 pm
Yeah SnB, Had known that he chose not to teach technigue I would’ve jumped of him in a second. Some players don’t need it as much as others but most do.
Truth be told I should’ve known because it was my biggest complaint about the defense lack of technigue and discipline.
July 27th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
“Anytime there’s a criminal or someone that’s just gotten out of jail, everyone says, ‘Oh, the Raiders are going to take him.’”
Nnamdi Asomugha
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Nowdays its more like Dallas…
July 27th, 2009 at 8:57 pm
WOW! Nnamdi is that true?? #77
July 27th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
78. Absolutely.
On the rare occasion they did play with discipline, they looked very good. Alot of big plays came against 2nd stringers and newbies, but alot comae from poor gap responsibilty and over pursuit.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Like I said, I ganked it from a comment on a yahoo Shawne Merriman article, but sounded legit to me…
Looking for the source of said quote so not 100% right now…
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-chargerscamp&prov=ap&type=lgns&success=1#comments
July 27th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Priesttj,
The defensive struggles are a combination of a lot of things. Coaching, talent, playcalling etc…
What is needed now is for some of these players with high contracts or pending free-agents…to start playing to their ability. What is needed is for an elimination of the stupid stuff from a technique…fundamentals, penalties etcc….What is needed is better playcalling including new ways to get pressure on the QBs and finding ways to get Morrison and Howard involved in the game. Howard in particular should be a terror with his speed and willingness to make a tackle.
The defense wasn’t completely fixed just because Rob Ryan was fired. There are a lot of folks that need to step their respective game up. Because if they can’t get to average this year…then changes will have to be made.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
You know I hope DHB kicks @$$!!!! I am so tired of everyone all over this kid. He was double teamed all year and his QB sucked!!! They keep questioning his hands. I can’t tell you how many catches I seen him make with his hands away from his body catching the ball. He had some big catches all balls that were under threw or behind him. He was bumped and double teamed all year. He was there offense.
I was cheering Oakland on to get Crabtree and I was pi$$ed when we passed on him in the draft and took DHB. But after watching how Crabtree was acting and thinking to myself other teams who needed WRs passed on him as well told me there is something else there. The Other argument was take Maclin. Maclin’s game is just like DHB and CHaz is playing the Crabtree role but faster. Hakeem Nicks was the other great WR out there and reports said that Nicks blew up over the off season and looked like a big tight end. They already had Nicks cloked at a low 4.5 40 now you throw on an additional 20lbs or so “get the picture”. DHB’s skills give him the most upside and this guy is not just a speedster. He will dip his shoulder pads on you and he will go up and get the ball! No one wanted to trade down with Oakland and NY wanted DHB as well.
I hope he comes out like gang busters on the NFL.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
#81 very true, that’s why I would extend more patience with Ryan but he did frusrate me.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
Stop being ESPN haters!!!!
If the Patriots made this pick they would be going on and on about how great the Patriots scout team is, etc. etc.
Busters!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
NOPE!
Here we go…
http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jul/27/1s27chargers234636-english-wont-be-camps-opening/
The “he doesn’t want to play for a team that won’t win the super bowl.” was added by the poster. It si NOT in the article so Larry english being unsigned means very little right now.
As I mentioned earlier, 28 of the 32 are not yet signed.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:10 pm
DHB getting into camp is crucial for the kid. He is facing some tough competition. Thankfully, the Raiders actually might have some players that can play receiver this year. AND THEY ALL WANT ON THE FIELD.
The receiver battle is going to be the thing to watch in this year’s camp.
I am still sticking to my belief that Schilens and JLH are going to do very well this year as the #1 and #2 receivers. DHB has skills and Louis Murphy has been working as hard as anyone.
Competition is a good thing. I hope DHB will give himself a chance by not holding out. Just take Sedrick Ellis’ contact and multiply by 1.05 and get into camp
July 27th, 2009 at 9:13 pm
agree wholeheartedly
July 27th, 2009 at 9:15 pm
DMC, MBush and ZMiller are KEY to the success of this team this year.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:17 pm
DHB video highlights…Check the bubble screen at :31. Note the acceleration into the second level!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1doAFxdxlRQ&feature=fvw
July 27th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
88. I thinkits improtant to get him signed, but he’s likely still hobbled from that hammy issues thats nagging him.
Not usre how productive camp and the pre is going to be for him.
He may get limited time with a diminished route tree at least for the 1st half of the season…
July 27th, 2009 at 9:23 pm
Nnamdi21,
D-HB needs to be there. Whether its taking mental reps or whatever. He needs to be there. People are saying he’s going to be the “clearout” receiver. That’s not possible. he needs to understand the entire route tree and he needs to be their in the classroom as well.
He can’t afford to miss a week or so. That’s all I am saying
July 27th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
SnB, I agree, however he said in an interview that his hammy is just fine.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Oh SnB D, I totally agree.
Alot of people who simply aren’t familiar enough with him in Oaktown don’t understand how good and decently ready he is.
I think he’s likely more ready than Crabtree will be with or with out his foot injury in SF.
The constant pressure of double teams at Maryland gives him an advantage too.
He’s got a lot to learn and yes, he should be there every minute, but I’m not sure they’re counting on him to be the man day one is all.
Crab on the other hand…
July 27th, 2009 at 9:29 pm
Every night is a great night to be a Raiders fan. Still, even Dudley had great college film. This Raider fan thinks when all is said and done Louis Murphy will be a Raider for life while DHB…well no one will ever say he’s better than 81 and people will forget the foolish comment made on tonight’s blog stating DHB is better than Mr. Brown was as a Raider.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:30 pm
priesttj Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 9:27 pm
SnB, I agree, however he said in an interview that his hammy is just fine.
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Hope so, but I know I might be tempted to say that too if I hadn’t signed yet!
DHB: “Yeah, boy, I don’t know…my hammy’s been sore a long time and not getting better!”
Not sure we’d ver hear that even if it were true! lol!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
96. Who ever said that isn’t familiar enough with Mr. Brown’s body of work.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:32 pm
Priesttj,
I think those hamstring issues were temporary. Notice it was mostly rookies that got hurt. It happens.
What’s important is that these guys absorb what the coaches are telling them AND that they develop the chemistry whether its the WRs with Russell or the defense learning to play with each other.
If you take a look at the schedule this year…the Raiders have an outstanding opportunity to get off to a good start 3-1 or better. IF and only IF they get on the same page early! They can’t afford to go into the 1st QTR of the year and talk about how they are trying to gel. They need to figure that out right now.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:34 pm
If the WRs and the Oline do well, JR keeps improving, then we could have one of the best Offenses in the NFL. A Complete Offense
QB, RBs, TE, and WRs!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
99. I can see that. They’ve been doing press junkets and all manner of stuff and maybe their work outs suffer. Then they try to go full speed right off at camp and ka flew ie.
Hope its just a glitch. Mitchell’s leg is more of a concern becaue he pulled up lame at his pro day so long ago…wonder if its the same leg, same injury?
July 27th, 2009 at 9:37 pm
Also,
Our rushing offense and short passes should help our young WRs stretch the field with their speed.
If all works well, this Offense can be One of the best we had, if not the best. IMHO
July 27th, 2009 at 9:41 pm
The way this blog is going I doubt there are few here that can recall Alexander Wrights game tying grab against the Broncos in the final seconds of the last game of the 93 season. Man that was one of my favorite Raider memories of all time.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:44 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Wait, BHP…
KK will not answer who his ONE PICK would be, instead of Al’s ONE PICK each step along the way in the draft.
He throws out 3-names, not 1.
KK — Who is the one player you would have over DHB?
The one player over MM?
Just how many of Al’s draft picks do you disagree with, KK? This is your chance to tell us who will be better, before the year starts, so we can follow the players in question.
C’mon, man…it’s really simple!
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do you really think a straw man argument like this is a GOOD one?
The man told you THREE people that he would have drafted in the #7 slot… acting like you have him cornered and pressuring him to single out ONE player so you can come back at seasons end and say “OH, I TOLD YOU SO!” is stupid at best. And if HIS picks pan out than it will be chalked up as a crapshoot…
Face it, you are a Kool Aid drinker. Type away in the name of optimism but a 7 year stretch which produced the worst record in the NFL ever over that period is laughing at you.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
How in hell culd I say that DHB was better than Tim Brown as a Raider? DHB has not played a down as a Raider yet.
I said DHB is more skilled as a WR coming out of college than Tim Brown…………big difference. sheeesh!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
My greatest memory was Gannon.
I loved watching him play, and I didn’t worry much when he was our QB.
He was a winner!!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:49 pm
DHB was not more skilled than Tim Brown as a WR coming out………. that is as colossally crazy of a notion as I have ever heard.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
RaiderRobG, post#96 read first comprehend second an comment third. DHB is a rookie just in case you didn’t know.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:51 pm
priesttj Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 9:45 pm
How in hell culd I say that DHB was better than Tim Brown as a Raider? DHB has not played a down as a Raider yet.
I said DHB is more skilled as a WR coming out of college than Tim Brown…………big difference. sheeesh!
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Now THAT makes more sense! If I’d've known it was you who supposedly said it, I wouldn’t have believed it.
HUGE DIFF!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:52 pm
Priest,
You would be saying the EXACT same thing about any WR the Raiders would have drafted. You were on record as saying the Raiders would never draft DHB and now all the sudden hes better than a Heisman winner? Hows that work? Fact is, I would bet a pretty penny you didnt see more than one Maryland game that DHB ever played in and your just using wishful thinking and posing it as fact. Thats what you do, WISH. If for example, Jamarcus Russell is such a slam dunk sure fire All Pro, why so so many fans, media and so called experts have so many doubts about the guy?
July 27th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Teabag, prove me wrong? what was Tim’s stats as a WR in 4 years as opposed to DHB’s in 3 years?
July 27th, 2009 at 9:53 pm
Raider O Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 9:46 pm
My greatest memory was Gannon.
I loved watching him play, and I didn’t worry much when he was our QB.
He was a winner!!
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we were behind at the half more than a few times in the Gannon era and thats true, I was never worried. He could make a drive when we had to using his feet is feneccesary. Almost Staubachian…
July 27th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
What kind of offense did Tim play in and what offense did DHB play in?
July 27th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
Now Priest wants to use stats to defend DHB but wont hear it when someone wants to compare Maclin or Crabtree or any other WR. All you hear is excuses then.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
Wow, I didn’t know DHB won the Heisman!
July 27th, 2009 at 9:58 pm
Dude that’s the difference between you and me. You rely on what you read I rely on what I see. I couldn’t give a damn what someone else thinks These are MY opinions…………period.
July 27th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
Nation!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
Oh, so then you must have seen all the TD’s and catches Crab and Mac were making in College. Likewise, I’m sure you didn’t miss DHB 40 time, “which tells everything about how good a receiver is.”
July 27th, 2009 at 10:02 pm
I’m too young to know what offense Tim played in ND, but all I know is he ran a 4.2+ at the combine, did nothing else, and went home.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
# priesttj Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
What kind of offense did Tim play in and what offense did DHB play in?
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Tim played in a spread option.. and your point is irrelevant… two TOTALLY different eras.
Tim was a MUCH more refined route runner than DHB… It’s not even close. And the hands issue was a non issue with Tim.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
In this case they are viable comparisons because both played run heavy offenses.
Dude if you had a clue you’d know that I look behind stats. Tim brown was essentially a WR/ST’s player wh also played some HB.
DHB was a WR only and played in prostyle offense same as Desean Jackson. But the most important point is the WR comparison DHB already understands the route tree Tim had to learn it. Big difference.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Difference is you didnt see. You werent watching UM games every Satday I guarantee that. Let me guess, youtube. Answer the other questions you cowardly bitch. You come on here acting like your some Raider football scholar and you know more than anyone else when the fact is your nothing but an Al Davis boot licker who dont know nothing but praising all things Raider. Your a fool. Hell, nothing proved it more when you claimed to be some big SC fan and I freakn destroyed you when you couldnt even name the QBs. When the Raiders fall back into their same old tricks this season you better run MFer, cause I will rag you till you cry.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Who cares?
# priesttj Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 9:55 pm
What kind of offense did Tim play in and what offense did DHB play in?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
I see Priest is up to his same ole nonsense & buffoonery.
?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Tim a refined route runner when?? Tim barely ever learned to run accurate routes his entire career. He admitted as much many times.
There is a big diferent between getting open the way he did and really running great routes. Something he never did.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
Marvin Harrison runs great routes, Chad Johnson duns great routes. Tim ran to get open in between zones. Which worked to the tune of a HOF career but he never ran disciplined routes. Never!!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:09 pm
# priesttj Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Tim a refined route runner when?? Tim barely ever learned to run accurate routes his entire career. He admitted as much many times.
There is a big diferent between getting open the way he did and really running great routes. Something he never did.
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Tim Brown, starting from HS played 8 years organized football…. IN TEXAS. DHB?? 3 years at the college level.. In a PRO STYLE OFFENSE but with 5 different QB’s who couldnt run the offense for sh*t..
Tim’s route running was not elite.. never said it was… but it WAS at the COLLEGE LEVEL, MUCH better than DHB’s..
and you still have yet to refute my point about his hands.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
Did the Raiders Sign Vick?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
You did say it was elite, ‘refined route runner’ remember?
I spent a lot of time watching Tim in practice as well as Jerry Rice. It was like Jerry was playing a different game. Tim was a great athlete, Jerry was a great WR………period
July 27th, 2009 at 10:16 pm
“DHB already understands the route tree Tim had to learn it. Big difference”
HTFDYK????
That’s a ridiculous statement.
And if basing DHB college production, playing in a “prostyle offense” is any indication of what we’re getting, I maintain this pick will turn out to be a waist, just like Dudley.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
DHB played HS Football!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! B.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Now Priest was at practice…. unreal. I am seriously starting to beleive this guy has mental problems.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Teabag Says:
# HayesDaze37 Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Wait, BHP…
KK will not answer who his ONE PICK would be, instead of Al’s ONE PICK each step along the way in the draft.
He throws out 3-names, not 1.
KK — Who is the one player you would have over DHB?
The one player over MM?
Just how many of Al’s draft picks do you disagree with, KK? This is your chance to tell us who will be better, before the year starts, so we can follow the players in question.
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Teabag/troll says:
do you really think a straw man argument like this is a GOOD one?
The man told you THREE people that he would have drafted in the #7 slot… acting like you have him cornered and pressuring him to single out ONE player so you can come back at seasons end and say “OH, I TOLD YOU SO!” is stupid at best. And if HIS picks pan out than it will be chalked up as a crapshoot…
Face it, you are a Kool Aid drinker…
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Well, duh, Teabag/troll!! I’m a big fan of the Raiders, and of Al Davis.
That has NOTHING to do with KK’s refusal to compare ONE PICK to ONE PICK.
So, Teabag/troll, since you’re apparently his champion — What is KK’s reason for refusing to compare his INDIVIDUAL picks with the ones AL took, at the time the Raiders made their INDIVIDUAL selections?
You know, all he has to do is pick ONE PLAYER FOR EACH ONE OF AL’S PICKS, and then we can compare each guy’s picks HEAD-TO-HEAD, as the season progresses.
KK won’t do it…and Teabag/troll can’t defend KK’s running from it. Good try, though.
Go back to sleep, Teabag/troll…or change to one of your other aliases. We already know there simply aren’t THAT many KK confederates out there.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:18 pm
Priest says:
“Yeah he never caught anything, but boy could he run some great routs!”
July 27th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Priest is talking stupidly about the Oakland Raiders, again!
Sincerely
B@rback 0b@ma
S0ci@lism you can believe in!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Preist didnt even want the guy before the draft. Went as far as to GUARANTEE he wouldnt be drafted. That is fact. Funny how things change.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
# priesttj Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:14 pm
You did say it was elite, ‘refined route runner’ remember?
I spent a lot of time watching Tim in practice as well as Jerry Rice. It was like Jerry was playing a different game. Tim was a great athlete, Jerry was a great WR………period
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LMAO – oh so now you are holding Tim Brown to the standard of Jerry Rice..???
Yea, let’s start slighting Tim Brown because he isn’t as good as the best WR to ever play the game hands down.
You are getting more ridiculous by the letter.
Now you want to split hairs by pointing out words.. Words that I did not use at that.
And yet, you STILL will not address Tim Browns hands in comparison to DHB’s..
Remember, we are NOT talking about Tim Brown in contrast to JERRY RICE… We are talking about Tim Brown in contrast to DARRIUS HEYWARD BEY..
I don’t care how many times you have seen Tim Brown practice and toss water bottles to Jerry Rice.. it has nothing to do with the conversation.
Stay on topic please or your argument is destroyed.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
The way we used Tim helped him a lot on crosses underneath stuff early in his career. He rarel ran outs against great corners where he would have to toe tap on the sideline. Like Jerry could with a blindfold.
DHB has played in a prstyle offense and had to run the route tree with double triple coverage. Tim Brown never saw that in college.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:20 pm
Man, only in the Nation!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
DHB was in Track and played Football in HS!!!!!!!!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Priest is talking stupidly about the Oakland Raiders, again!
Sincerely
B@rback 0b@ma
July 27th, 2009 at 10:23 pm
Preist didnt even want DHB. Went as far as to guarantee he wouldnt be the pick. WEIRD!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
You know, all he has to do is pick ONE PLAYER FOR EACH ONE OF AL’S PICKS, and then we can compare each guy’s picks HEAD-TO-HEAD, as the season progresses.
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Sit down son, READING COMPREHENSION 101 is now in session..
So go and read you little excerpt I selected so you can scroll DOWN right here and read my response AGAIN… as it is the SAME thing I posted in a previous reply to you which obviously went completely over your head, back around to the front, up the side and down the other…
I said, and I quote…
“The man told you THREE people that he would have drafted in the #7 slot… acting like you have him cornered and pressuring him to single out ONE player so you can come back at seasons end (or as the season prgresses as you said…)and say “OH, I TOLD YOU SO!” is stupid at best. And if HIS picks pan out than it will be chalked up as a crapshoot…”
July 27th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
Good chat tonight Nation. I’m out.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Dude,
Since BHP lives in that Area, why is it hard to believe that he went to a few sessions?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
# priesttj Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
The way we used Tim helped him a lot on crosses underneath stuff early in his career. He rarel ran outs against great corners where he would have to toe tap on the sideline. Like Jerry could with a blindfold.
DHB has played in a prstyle offense and had to run the route tree with double triple coverage. Tim Brown never saw that in college.
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they played two different positions!!
Tim Brown was a flanker in college and his skill set translated to a true slot/flanker in the Pros!
He was not effective as a split or an X where. He worked better in motion and on the underneath stuff..
that DOES NOT mean he DID NOT know how to run a full route tree.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Umm………what??? Whos BHP??
July 27th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
O, practices are closed to the public..
Practices are especially closed to deranged lunatics such as Priest. Imagine that babbling buffoon hounding players & coaches while they are trying to work.
lmao
July 27th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Teabag, we’re talking about refined route running and I saw the best and I saw above average. Let’s forget the two players I’m talking about route running…………..period. One player was great at it and the other was very average.
I saw Freddie B. as well who was an emculate route runner. All Tim really did was work the middle of the field but he did have great hands and was an amazing athlete. But he ran sloppy routes.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
No comment Preist?? Once again, SHOCKER!!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
I shuldn’t say sloppy the just weren’t great, the were good enough.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
Dude/troll — There are a lot of players in here who have been to Raiders practices.
Even you — yes, YOU — can join KK at Raiders HQ in a few…all you gotta do is join the Alameda Chamber Of Commerce ($270+, depending)…and then buy a $70 seat on the bus to Raiders Camp.
Then, even you can say you’ve watched the Raiders practice. And not be lying about it.
Do it, Dude/troll — You and KK can work each other up into a hate-filled lather before you get to the facility! Share that warm Raiders spirit you guys like to spread! The players and coaches will love it!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
DHB’s hands aren’t good enough coming OUT of college…. and hands (what you use to catch a football) are much more important than rounding off your routes.. Especially when it was never an issue with Tim.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
So he was average, he was sloppy, he wasn’t sloppy, he was terrible, he was good, he wasnt good, he was just an athelete not a WR.
But…..he was good enough. Its just mind numbing how this guy comes in here night after night with sheer idiocy.
# priesttj Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
I shuldn’t say sloppy the just weren’t great, the were good enough.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Dude, not wanting DHB has nothing to do with him as a player. I never studied the guy, simple as that until we drafted him, that’s my fault. Now I definitely see why they drafted him.
The kid can flat out run and has a physical toughness I like. he also is a very gifted athlete has played in a offense that translates well t the pros.
When you study him it’s easy to see what they saw.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
and since we want to bring up trivial stats (like those stats that would compare Tim Browns career in ND to DHB’s in Maryland). Let’s bring up some other stats…
1,094 Receptions
14,934 Yards
100 TD’s
Numbers Darrius Heyward-Bey will NEVER see.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Not to mention he types like a 10 yr old with down syndrome.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
BTW, whatup! Raider O, I was so busy debating I didn’t notice you in here.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Not studying the guy = not going to youtube for 10 mins & then going to a BLOG & say well “I just looked at film” and this guy is a SUPREME talent.
Of course you have to repeat this every year since 1967.
priesttj Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Dude, not wanting DHB has nothing to do with him as a player. I never studied the guy,
July 27th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ok Priest, I will pretend you “studied” him. What a freakn tool!! Just hilarious. If he was so good, why wouldnt you want him? You really are a moron.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
How does a consensus top 20 pick not have “consistent” hands?
What does that mean?
And if you take it literally, then he must be off the charts in other areas to still be ranked as a top 20 FIRST ROUND pick, right? Plenty of fast guys out there, so I wonder what “other areas” he excelled in?
Hmmmm….
July 27th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Didnt “want” him before draft.
Raiders draft him and all the sudden, BAM, hes great! What a coincidence!!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Teabag, I agree with post#156 it will be very hard for him to duplicate those outstanding #’s with the talent around him.
There were times when Jeff Hostetler wouldn’t throw to anyone else. But that isn’t imprtant what’s important is that DHB does what the team needs him to do.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Mista,
I didn’t know that. I live in SD, and fans can attend their sessions. I still can’t understand how anyone can be a Discharger Fan? They are at same level as the Bengals and Lions IMO.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Jhill my point exactly.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Share that warm Raiders spirit you guys like to spread! The players and coaches will love it!
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Yeah, right! Internet personalities coming into the real world? Never! All this childish name calling? In Alameda? These cats would get knocked the fugg out.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Teabag
Don’t expect any intellectual integrity in your debates with the groupies types. They’ll Split hairs, Obfuscate, Lie, and raise straw arguments. They’re not interested in fact, only delusion.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
# jhill Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
How does a consensus top 20 pick not have “consistent” hands?
What does that mean?
And if you take it literally, then he must be off the charts in other areas to still be ranked as a top 20 FIRST ROUND pick, right? Plenty of fast guys out there, so I wonder what “other areas” he excelled in?
Hmmmm….
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I will tell you what else he excelled in besides a 4.3 40 yd…
6′2 215.
that’s it.
Sure, he made some tough catches. I am not going to take anything away from him. He showed some flashes.
But this dude was nothing more than a size/speed specimen drafted on nothing but potential.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Teabag Says:
I said, and I quote…
“The man told you THREE people that he would have drafted in the #7 slot… acting like you have him cornered and pressuring him to single out ONE player so you can come back at seasons end (or as the season prgresses as you said…)and say “OH, I TOLD YOU SO!” is stupid at best. And if HIS picks pan out than it will be chalked up as a crapshoot…”
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And…you make (non) points like KK. I think you may be KK now.
Why can’t we know what player KK wants in each spot Al picked? Putting 3-names in, where only one guy coulod’ve been picked isn’t a fair comparison.
Teabag/troll — You’ve already lost ANY hint of credibility by trying to say KK can have 3-names for every one of Al’s picks.
We’ve only got a few draft picks anyway…why can’t we compare Al’s draft to KK’s draft heads-up. player-to-player?
That’s not an unfair comparison — it even gives KK the edge, since he already knows who was picked after Al made “his” choices.
Teabag/troll & KK. Another tag-team (bag-team?) of unobjective (read: unfair) “thinkers.”
July 27th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Mistabrown Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Not studying the guy = not going to youtube for 10 mins & then going to a BLOG & say well “I just looked at film” and this guy is a SUPREME talent.
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Hey moron, STFU, or I will take 5 seconds out of my life to prove you are a complete moron for the 900th time.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
What they don’t get is that DHB and Tim Brown were very different players. This kid DHB is much more physical specimen than Tim. I think if he does what I think he can, he could be damn near awesome.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
DHB= Troy Williamson
Jhill,
Come to Seattle and I will knock you the fugg out, wouldnt have to have some gang banger from Oakland do it. Oakland is California’s trailer park, think I will pass.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
But this dude was nothing more than a size/speed specimen drafted on nothing but potential.
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I thought that size speed stuff only applied to the Raiders? What did the other teams see in him? Plenty of “fast guys in the draft that lasted until round 4? If Baltimore of NY had got a hold of him, you wouldn’t be hearing all of this DHB negativity. And 10 slots ahead of where he should have been drafted does not equal all this mess that we are hearing. Good prospect at 17, but bust at 7? Cmon!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Priest, your left tit is here to suck on you like a hoover mach 5 turbo.
see post 171
July 27th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
The ONLY reason DHB was drafted was his 40 time. Period. End of coversation. Anyone who says different is an idiot.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
BHP,
I was the same way, but after we drafted him, I did some “research” ” studying” “youtubing”, and I like what he can offer.
Speed, size, great vertical, and can catch. He MAY not have the best hands NOW, but you can teach a player to catch, but you can’t teach ability!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
# Dude Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:05 pm
Difference is you didnt see. You werent watching UM games every Satday I guarantee that. Let me guess, youtube. Answer the other questions you cowardly bitch. You come on here acting like your some Raider football scholar and you know more than anyone else when the fact is your nothing but an Al Davis boot licker who dont know nothing but praising all things Raider. Your a fool. Hell, nothing proved it more when you claimed to be some big SC fan and I freakn destroyed you when you couldnt even name the QBs. When the Raiders fall back into their same old tricks this season you better run MFer, cause I will rag you till you cry.
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This entire paragraph doesn’t make sense. In fact, I don’t think this is English. Can someone translate this paragraph into decent English for me so I can understand it???
July 27th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Dude, why did everyone rate him as a 1st rndr??
July 27th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
For all of you that were not aware Bey is a different player than Brown you can all sleep easier tonight!
Priest has made it known that in fact Bey & Brown are different and just to sweeten things up a bit Priest believes Bey will “damn near awesome”.
It just doesnt get anymore goofy than this!
# priesttj Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
What they don’t get is that DHB and Tim Brown were very different players. This kid DHB is much more physical specimen than Tim. I think if he does what I think he can, he could be damn near awesome.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
What, Oakglenn isnt actually saying anything about football or the Raiders? No WAY!!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
# Mistabrown ouSays:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Priest, your left tit is here to suck on you like a hoover mach 5 turbo.
see post 171
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You’re right. I own you turd. You got run outta here last nite like the cattle you are. Open up so you can taste my piss.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Seattle???? LMFAO …
The topic was Raider practices, you know the place where other Raider fans will be face to face with you instead of in internet fantasy land?
Come to Seattle … LMFAO!
July 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
# priesttj Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Teabag, I agree with post#156 it will be very hard for him to duplicate those outstanding #’s with the talent around him.
There were times when Jeff Hostetler wouldn’t throw to anyone else. But that isn’t imprtant what’s important is that DHB does what the team needs him to do.
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C’mon dude… are you serious??
Let me tell you something…
No let me PRESENT you with a scenario..
You are a kid who was raised by a good to do family.. Looking out for their sons best interests.. Kept him involved in sports and activities to keep him out of the reach of the streets..
You ran track, played basketball.. Then you get swayed into playing football by coaches all over the place. Telling you “You have a REAL opportunity in football.. THAT is where you can SUCCEED”
Then, you get an offer for a free ride to Maryland. To play football.. You didnt play it much you are learning on the go. You have flashes of brilliance. You go to the combine.. All of the sudden you go from a 2nd round pick to late first. Than rumblings come about teams moving up to get you by pick 20. Than the Raiders wine and dine you and talk about taking you 7th!
The Day comes and you get drafted ahead of Michael Crabtree!! THE most dominant WR in college the last 2 years without argument.
DHB just hit the lottery.
Now you say he is a “team player”. Well guys that only played football for 3 years and had spotty production really have no room to be primadonas.
Nor do they have room to make demands. There is no chip on Darrius shoulder. He is living a dream right now and just going along for the ride.
Darrius himself knows he had no business being drafted that high. Of COURSE he is going to say all the right things.
And as far as being a team player.. We didn’t draft him #7 to be a decoy or to be a role player. Accepting this as fact is accepting this as a failed pick.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
He has first round talent. Not really debateable.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
I don’t think this is English. Can someone translate this paragraph into decent English for me so I can understand it???
# priesttj Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
I shuldn’t say sloppy the just weren’t great, the were good enough.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
# Dude Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
What, Oakglenn isnt actually saying anything about football or the Raiders? No WAY!!
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duh, duh, duh, I dud. me know sh**. That’s the great dud.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
The ONLY reason DHB was drafted was his 40 time. Period. End of coversation. Anyone who says different is an idiot.
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Brilliant!
So by this logic, all the fast 40 guys be rated in the top 25. Wonder why so many of them slipped to round 4 and beyond?
July 27th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Thats where I am at. I dont pass the job off to someone else like a little pusc like you. If you can get you POS car to make it up here, come on up. I know you cant afford a plane ticket.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
# jhill Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
But this dude was nothing more than a size/speed specimen drafted on nothing but potential.
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I thought that size speed stuff only applied to the Raiders? What did the other teams see in him? Plenty of “fast guys in the draft that lasted until round 4? If Baltimore of NY had got a hold of him, you wouldn’t be hearing all of this DHB negativity. And 10 slots ahead of where he should have been drafted does not equal all this mess that we are hearing. Good prospect at 17, but bust at 7? Cmon!
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No p;enty of teams crate their draft board with size/speed specimens. But the DIFFERENCE is they look for FOOTBALL PLAYERS with production to match.
Jags,Ravens,Rams,Falcons and Titans are teams that I know off the top that use a size/speed process when drafting.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
I don’t think this is English. Can someone translate this paragraph into decent English for me so I can understand it???
# priesttj Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
I shuldn’t say sloppy the just weren’t great, the were good enough.
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Funniest part is that diction is waaaaaay better than ANYTHING MISTER TURD HAD EVER POSTED. hey, contradicted yourself again turd. That took three seconds
July 27th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Like I said..Idiot. The Raiders drafted him cuz of his 40 time. PEER EEEE UDDDDD
July 27th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Dude,
The Great TE for the Colts Dallas C played LB at HS and his 1st year at Iowa. You said he was great, so I guess you can teach a player to catch!!! lol
July 27th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
# Dude Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Thats where I am at. I dont pass the job off to someone else like a little pusc like you. If you can get you POS car to make it up here, come on up. I know you cant afford a plane ticket.
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That’s where I am at. Actually, the proper term is That’s where I am. Not where I am at. Morons say where I am at. Or trailer trash. Which is it dud???
July 27th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Raider o,
Ummm…………ohhhhhhkaaayyyyy
July 27th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Teabag Says:
I said, and I quote…
“The man told you THREE people that he would have drafted in the #7 slot… acting like you have him cornered and pressuring him to single out ONE player so you can come back at seasons end (or as the season prgresses as you said…)and say “OH, I TOLD YOU SO!” is stupid at best. And if HIS picks pan out than it will be chalked up as a crapshoot…”
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And…you make (non) points like KK. I think you may be KK now.
Why can’t we know what player KK wants in each spot Al picked? Putting 3-names in, where only one guy coulod’ve been picked isn’t a fair comparison.
Teabag/troll — You’ve already lost ANY hint of credibility by trying to say KK can have 3-names for every one of Al’s picks.
We’ve only got a few draft picks anyway…why can’t we compare Al’s draft to KK’s draft heads-up. player-to-player?
That’s not an unfair comparison — it even gives KK the edge, since he already knows who was picked after Al made “his” choices.
Teabag/troll & KK. Another tag-team (bag-team?) of unobjective (read: unfair) “thinkers.”
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You are a tool. Seriously, you should just unplug your monitor right now. You are really no good at this.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Raider O, we’re on the same page I never said I wanted the kid, if I had my way I would’ve drafted Monroe. But when we drafted him I had to see what they saw. The college football channel televised two of his games and I was shocked.
Syd’quan Thompson is a top rated DB at Cal and he toyed with him. Caught 3 passes 1 td with only 4 passes thrown his way. He ran by Syd so fast it made him look slow. DHB is a phenomenal athlete.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
some of you are garbage. Go back to 4th grade and then come back and try to talk English. And PLEASE, REFRAIN from any Raider talk. That is CLEARLY, beyond your comprehensions.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Also, to say that “Every team had him rated as a mid first rounder” and saying he would definitely have gone no later than 17 is pure speculation. Nobody knows where DHB was on anybodies draft board but the RAIDERS.
July 27th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
PokeGlenn is clearly not firing on all cylinders tonight. Perhaps his cat rejected him & he took to a bottle of vodka!
July 27th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Thats where I am at. I dont pass the job off to someone else like a little pusc like you. If you can get you POS car to make it up here, come on up. I know you cant afford a plane ticket.
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Ahhhh, you are funny. Who care where you are at, LMFAO! The topic was Raider practices and sharing your warm Raider spirit in person instead of on an internet blog. You’re the tuff guy, name calling, I don’t give a phuck guy, right? I just question whether your “internet personality” would translate in a REAL Raider forum.
LOL!
Your Mom is going to come in your room any minute now and tell you to go nite nite. You usually sign off about this time.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
# Oakglenn Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
some of you are garbage. Go back to 4th grade and then come back and try to talk English. And PLEASE, REFRAIN from any Raider talk. That is CLEARLY, beyond your comprehensions.
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This is the pot calling the kettle black if I have ever seen it.
Calling people out on 4th grade education you better be sure to capitalize your sentence (which you didn’t).
Also, there was no need for a comma between “CLEARLY” and your.
Also, comprehension is not pluralized.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Knowlton,
Thanks for the grammar lesson. Appreciate that.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
PokeGlenn is clearly not firing on all cylinders tonight. Perhaps his cat rejected him & he took to a bottle of vodka!
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What does this EVEN MEAN??? And I am not firing on all cylinders??? Look missedabrain, I am going to make this VERY clear for you. YOU are an imbecile. I know your mom tried to paint a pretty picture and say you are special, but, the truth is, you are an imbecile. Everyone knows it but you.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Dude Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Like I said..Idiot. The Raiders drafted him cuz of his 40 time. PEER EEEE UDDDDD
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Really, b/c a few seconds later, you said
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Dude Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
He has first round talent. Not really debateable.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Q: Is DHB a 1st-round talent?
A: Absolutely.
Q: If a guy has 1st-round talent…is it even possible for him to be a “reach” pick?
A: Absolutely not.
I know I’m absolutely correct about those two answers.
If all you trolls, and KK, can have absolutes…then why can’t the rest of us?
People who prematurely say DHB = Bust = people who have never let an outside opinion change their minds, even when they’re proven wrong.
I’ve got a long day tomorrow…
…you trolls chase that tail around…
…and some of us will enjoy a little optimism, along with our precarious reality.
It’s sure a great night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?
July 27th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
# Dude Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Knowlton,
Thanks for the grammar lesson. Appreciate that.
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Dud, you need a LOT more lessons that I do not have time for. Try the 2nd grade. Again. And again. And again. And again.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
PokeGlenn just cant wait to guzzle a pint of a tequilia & then go to Jerry blog & defend Priest….lmao
July 27th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
Knowlton,
I hear you say your Raider thoughts are beyond our comprehension yet you never actually talk about them. Crazzzzy!
July 27th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
# priesttj Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Raider O, we’re on the same page I never said I wanted the kid, if I had my way I would’ve drafted Monroe. But when we drafted him I had to see what they saw. The college football channel televised two of his games and I was shocked.
Syd’quan Thompson is a top rated DB at Cal and he toyed with him. Caught 3 passes 1 td with only 4 passes thrown his way. He ran by Syd so fast it made him look slow. DHB is a phenomenal athlete.
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mmmhmm mmhmm…
Now please counter your one phenomenal showing against a top tier CB from an immensely inferior college program with some rather non-existent showings against college CB’s who are now bagging groceries at Safeway.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
PokeGlenn just cant wait to guzzle a pint of a tequilia & then go to Jerry blog & defend Priest….lmao
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# Mistabrown Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
PokeGlenn just cant wait to guzzle a pint of a tequilia & then go to Jerry blog & defend Priest….lmao
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Did these morons just get EVEN STUPIDER????????? yup.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
The best use of both your times is to go suck each other. There is NO other use for missedabrain or dud.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Wake me when Glenn Knowlton (AKA Oakglenn) ACTUALLY says something about football.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Does anyone other than Moron and Moron.1 want to talk football??
July 27th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Q: Is DHB a 1st-round talent?
A: Absolutely.
Q: If a guy has 1st-round talent…is it even possible for him to be a “reach” pick?
A: Absolutely not.
I know I’m absolutely correct about those two answers.
If all you trolls, and KK, can have absolutes…then why can’t the rest of us?
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BECAUSE “FIRST ROUND TALENT” IS NOT ABSOLUTE!!!
IT IS SUBJECTIVE (see – NOT OBJECTIVE)
You are entitled to your opinion as is KK.
And I am entitled to calling you a douchebag because your opinion sucks.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Glenn Knowlton,
Wanna talk about Teryaki Chicken or Tempura??
July 27th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
# Dude Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
Wake me when Glenn Knowlton (AKA Oakglenn) ACTUALLY says something about football.
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Dud, you and I had a debate where you could not believe I went to the game yet had a copy of that same game on DVD. I mean I would welcome you to the 21st century, but you haven’t even entered the 20th century. In fact, you are somewhere BC for crissakes.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Dude,
Iowa taught Dallas C how to catch and play TE, but we can’t teach DHB to catch!! Why not??
The best you can say is um ok, but you call others here Tools!!!
LMAO
July 27th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
# Dude Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Glenn Knowlton,
Wanna talk about Teryaki Chicken or Tempura??
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Can someone translate this to 21st century English??
July 27th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Teabg quit while your an ass the hole is following close behind.
Your post#183 makes no sense who said anything about a decoy? Also Syd will be one of the top CB in this coming draft maybe the top 2 or 3.
What do you take lesson from Dude??
July 27th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
PokeGlenn next time your cat rejects you try putting catnip in your underoos.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Who said you couldnt teach him to catch a football? How do you know Clark couldnt catch a ball when he got to Iowa?
July 27th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
You dont work at a Teryaki joint? Wow!
July 27th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Dud, you might want to go to school where they teach you how to mop upfood animal innards at some food processing joint. Man, them’s good eatings!!!
July 27th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
PokeGlenn next time your cat rejects you try putting catnip in your underoos.
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You should write for Chris Rock. Naaa. Actually, this sux. Keep your day job. Oh right, you don’t have a day job. OK, keep sleeping in the dumpster out behind Denny’s.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
208-3780.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Wow, are these guys weak. No game. None. Nada.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Yes, he asked you if you want to talk about Teriyaki Chicken or Tempura. I think the line of thinking is your not equipped to talk about anything else.
# Oakglenn Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
# Dude Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Glenn Knowlton,
Wanna talk about Teryaki Chicken or Tempura??
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Can someone translate this to 21st century English??
July 27th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Sorry, 706-208-3780
July 27th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
# priesttj Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Teabg quit while your an ass the hole is following close behind.
Your post#183 makes no sense who said anything about a decoy? Also Syd will be one of the top CB in this coming draft maybe the top 2 or 3.
What do you take lesson from Dude??
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You made reference as to how Tim Browns NFL numbers will dwarf DHB’s because Tim had Hostettler looking for him and him ONLY and that DHB was a “team guy”…
So not only is your over the top comment indirectly giving DHB a pass to underproduce his entire career. It is also saying that Tim was not a team guy..
lol. good job
July 27th, 2009 at 11:18 pm
# Dude Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
208-3780.
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208-3780. What dud, are you trying to count to ten??? Try again.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Sorry, you guys bore me to tears. Try again next time.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Call you in a bit Glenn. LOL! Go DAWGS!!
July 27th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Oakglenn
Afterall, You are King of the Trolls. You’ve got plenty game.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
This is too funny to let go…
jhill slamming Dude/troll HARD:
jhill Says:
Dude Says:
Like I said..Idiot. The Raiders drafted him cuz of his 40 time. PEER EEEE UDDDDD
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Really, b/c a few seconds later, you said
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Dude Says:
He has first round talent. Not really debateable.
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Ohh, Dude/troll!!! Owww!!! That had to really burn, didn’t it?
Don’t you have a conscience? How do you continue to look at yourself in the gas station’s aluminum “mirror” — when you know you can’t EVER keep your story straight? You are a typing contradiction, Dude/troll — as are most trolls, dude! A perfect match.
** Oh, yeah — I just have one more thing to say (maybe). And it pains me to say it, but I’m sincere about it…
KK is sooooooo much smarter than the 20-year-old Teabag/troll, it’s ridiculous!
KK!! Your man Teabag/troll is ruining your, ummm… image in here! The (un)wise old sage, being propped-up by the 20-year-old shoe-gazer.
Salt n’ Peppa!!
July 27th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
I have never read a thing from Glenn Knowlton that was actually about football.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
As for the rest of you all, sorry. I actually just wanted to talk football, but Those two bored me to tears.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
First round talent means top 7 pick huh? Okayyyy
July 27th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Teabag
You made a lot of assumptions off one sentence. The QB threw the ball Tim just caught it.
Not giving DHB a pass just stating the obvious there’s more talent on this team than most teams Tim played on. But things change I don’t know he could surpass Tim, how do I know. I just said it would be very difficult to duplicate Tim’s #’s which IMO is obvious.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
# Dude Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Call you in a bit Glenn. LOL! Go DAWGS!!
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Once again, for the 3rd or 4th time, would someone translate this into some language spoke on the planet EARTH??????????
July 27th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
You are Glenn Knowlton.
You live in Southern Georgia.
You love UGA.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Oak, Raider O, man we have to stop letting these guy’s get us off track. I enjoy talking fotball giving my opinion not at all saying I’m 100% right.
It’s just an OPINION Oak I wanted to talk to you about Nnamdi’s comment tonight.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Have a great night Gents.
Later Nation.
BHP,
We can talk Raiders and football another night, too hard to have a good chat tonight.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Yeah you’re right O
Adios!! Oak gnite bro.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
# Dude Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
You are Glenn Knowlton.
You live in Southern Georgia.
You love UGA.
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Mistabrown Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Yes, he asked you if you want to talk about Teriyaki Chicken or Tempura. I think the line of thinking is your not equipped to talk about anything else.
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lst off, I am not Glenn Knowlton and I do not live in Southern Georgia even tho uga the dog is a cool mascot. Where you conjured up that, only your psycho therapist knows. Since I post as Oakglenn, and I talk A’s and Raiders, it should be obvious to even the most minuscule mind, that I actually live in Oakland. But of course we are dealing with complete utter morons here, so, I guess in their minds, somehow this works.
As for missedabrains comments, after he completely showed himself to not know anything about anything for the millionth time just last nite, missedabrain thinks when the polar ice caps melt it will be equivalent to ice melting on a plate, I don’t know what to say. Maybe a preschool teacher or kindergartner might somehow understand you. Some one with even a horrible third world education certainly will not.
July 27th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Whether they call themselves fans or not…the negativity of some of these guys will not bring my optimism of THIS team down.
Having an educated and well-thought discussion about anything football with the trolls is impossible. That’s where the name-calling starts, and regular guys get run over by the BS farmers.
Don’t take it from the trolls, I say! They’re already embarrassing themselves — keep throwing their BS right back at them!
Ahh, that’s better.
Now, I think I’ll play a little o’ The Autumn Wind for melady, and drift off to dream a Super Bowl dream…
July 27th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
Once again, to the rest of you Raiders, please accept my apologies. The last thing I want to do is sling it with sh** turds. I would apologize to all you knowledgeable fans individually but I don’t have to. You know who you are. Sorry again.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:04 am
This is getting exciting less talk and some playing on the field.I am ready for some RAIDER FOOTBALL.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:23 am
1st- Trade Down/Monroe
Trade Down Broncos Unlikely so probably jets
Maualugua and Mack/Oher whomever was available
2nd- DHB
3rd- If we got Mack: Rashad Johnson FS Bama/ If we got one of the OT’s: Luis Vasquez OG TTech
4th- 1)Slade Norris 2)Ricky jean-Francios LSU DT
6th-Zach Follett LB CAL
IN A PERFECT WORLD!!!!
Javon Walker is cut the next day
July 28th, 2009 at 12:25 am
Hayez, of course our negativity won’t bring you down. But the team’s will, by week one, as usual. We’re just way ahead of you. It’s called being realistic and using your brain.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:33 am
Are some of you talking about next year’s draft already? I see you guys have a lot of faith in this season.
July 28th, 2009 at 12:41 am
If DHB not available then Fili Moala DT USC
and Luis Murphy for Ricky Jean-francios
July 28th, 2009 at 2:34 am
ESPN.com’s Bill Williamson just posted the latest NFL salary cap information for the four AFC West teams:
Denver: Salary cap room: $13.5 million.
Kansas City: Salary cap room: $30.16 million.
Oakland: Salary cap room: $7.82 million.
San Diego: Salary cap room: $9.545 million.
It is hard to get definitive 2009 salary details but, the 25 top salary 2008 earners were:
1 JaMarcus Russell $16,872,400
2 Tommy Kelly $13,978,480
3 Javon Walker $12,000,960
4 Nnamdi Asomugha $9,765,000
5 Justin Fargas $6,103,960
6 Robert Gallery $5,779,920
7 Zach Miller $5,544,880
8 Jeff Garcia $5,255,280
9 Gerard Warren $5,000,000
10 Darren McFadden $4,375,000
11 Greg Ellis $3,579,800
12 Derrick Burgess $3,500,000
13 Terdell Sands $3,200,000
14 Michael Huff $3,145,480
15 Kwame Harris $3,005,400
16 Sebastian Janikowski $2,625,000
17 John Wade $2,504,440
18 Cooper Carlisle $2,230,880
19 Kirk Morrison $2,115,400
20 Drew Carter $2,005,400
21 Cornell Green $1,653,960
22 Shane Lechler $1,500,000
23 Tony Stewart $1,404,440
24 Fred Wakefield $1,400,000
25 Andrew Walter $1,361,560
We know that Kelly and Walker have restructured and Harris and Wakefield have left but, any savings have been re-spent on new contracts for Asomugha and Lechler. However, the real reason for the Raiders financial mess is not the amount of money spent on stars but, the amount of money wasted on the likes of non-starters like Huff, Sands, Green, Carter, Wade and Stewart.
What the Raiders have to learn from the likes of San Diego, is that you should only pay top wages for the genuinely top performers. And if you want proof of the Raiders’ financial mismanagement, apart from the miserly Chiefs, the three teams with the lowest 2008 wage bills were:
29) Indianapolis Colts Team Salaries: $93,373,915
30) New England Patriots Team Salaries: $92,734,120
31) Baltimore Ravens Team Salaries: $90,713,965
The Raiders had the highest wage bill in the whole NFL, a staggering $152,389,371.
If the likes of Huff, Green, Sands, Stewart and Wade are not going to be starting, then they must be cut. They are paid too much to just warm the bench.
July 28th, 2009 at 4:11 am
Great point Scottish
Cable is going old school in camp and we will weed out some more of the pretenders.
I would not be surprised to hear about Sands being curled up in a fetal position by Saturday morning.
Resigning Nam and Shane points to the Raiders paying for RAIDER performance. Staying away from high priced free agents was another great off season move.
I think that there will be some much needed shake up coming out of camp on the Dline this year. Alot of money in salaries with very little production.
Other than Kelly, I think all spots on this unit are open.
July 28th, 2009 at 4:30 am
Charlie,
Unless they show real improvement in camp, I would cut Sands, Huff, Green, Wade, Stewart and Walter. They curently account for almost 9% of our total wage bill – over $13m. All non-starters should ideally be on less that $1m a year, unless they are high draft picks in rookie or second years.
And Burgess, Walker, Warren and Kelly must also remain on alert. They still earn high-end starter salaries and are only worth the money if they play 25+ downs a game.
July 28th, 2009 at 4:59 am
I think you are correct on all of the players you mentioned.
Walter is an automatic.
Despite what many fans think about Mr Davis he is no longer going to pay big dollars for poor production.
We are focusing on VALUE. That is production relative to salary.
We have been out of balance for too long and Cable is addressing it.
July 28th, 2009 at 5:11 am
Charlie,
If, as we both seem to agree, Cable goes for a value-based roster, we could end up with a 53 like this and save $20m a year.
1. Russell (QB)
2. Garcia (QB)
3. Frye (QB)
4. McFadden (RB)
5. Bush (RB)
6. Rankin (RB)
7. O’Neal (FB)
8. Neal (FB)
9. Z.Miller (TE)
10. Myers (TE)
11. Henderson (OT)
12. Barnes (OT)
13. Pears (OT)
14. Johnson (OT/OG)
15. Gallery (OG)
16. Carlisle (OG)
17. McQuistan (OG)
18. M.Wilson (OT/OG)
19. Satele (C)
20. Morris (C)
21. Heywood-Bey (WR)
22. Schillens (WR)
23. Murphy (WR)
24. Higgins (WR/PR)
25. Watkins or Holland(WR)
26. Franklin (WR)
27. Asomugha (CB)
28. Johnson (CB)
29. Routt (CB)
30. Brown (CB)
31. J. Miller (CB/KR)
32. Branch (S)
33. Mitchell (S)
34. Eugene (S)
35. Huff (S)
36. Morrison (LB)
37. Howard (LB)
38. Brown (LB)
39. Alston (LB)
40. Norris (LB)
41. Ekejuiba (LB)
42. Scott (DE)
43. Gunheim (DE)
44. Richardson (DE)
45. Ellis (DE)
46. Shaughnessy (DE)
47. Kelly (DT)
48. Warren (DT)
49. Joseph or Bryant(DT)
50. Boschetti (DT)
51. Condo (LS)
52. Lechler (P)
53. Janikowski (K)
July 28th, 2009 at 5:12 am
are you people ready for some football???
i am pumped…
i do think this year will show a big improvement over the last 6 years…
but… who’s gonna stop the run???
July 28th, 2009 at 5:17 am
Pete, how about a Dline of Ellis, Boschetti, Warren and Shaughnessy?
July 28th, 2009 at 5:18 am
Scottish
That savings probably would not materialize immediately because of signing bonuses and prorated salary cap issues.
I do think that we will absolutely cut the non performers regardless of the cap hit.
We saw it last year and more is coming this camp.
We will obviously keep young players like JR, DMAC etc. that are still developing.
July 28th, 2009 at 5:20 am
# Florida Pete Says:
July 28th, 2009 at 5:12 am
are you people ready for some football???
i am pumped…
i do think this year will show a big improvement over the last 6 years…
but… who’s gonna stop the run???
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Get out of my mind that’s exactlly how I feel.
July 28th, 2009 at 5:23 am
Scottish Raider Says:
July 28th, 2009 at 5:17 am
Pete, how about a Dline of Ellis, Boschetti, Warren and Shaughnessy?
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the first word that popped into my mind was: jesus
July 28th, 2009 at 5:32 am
Charlie, fair point but, as the Raiders don’t publish contract details, it is hard to quantify the cap penalties. One of the reasons I am keen we create cap space is that 2010 looks like being on of the best FA markets this century.
July 28th, 2009 at 5:37 am
Pete, that ‘Jesus’ quartet will still cost Al over $10m a year. If you add back Kelly and Burgess instead of Boschetti and Shaughnessy, the bill goes up to a staggering $22m.
A DLine of Ellis, Kelly, Warren and Burgess would be one of the most expensive is the whole NFL. If performance equated to salary, they should be one of the top three DLines in the league!
July 28th, 2009 at 5:43 am
I think that we will be letting some high priced Dline people go and we pick up someone else’s late camp cut at DT.
July 28th, 2009 at 5:43 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 5:52 am
Morning! I had to check in to see if last night was some crazy dream. Apparently Priest was spouting off that DHB was a better college football player than Tim Brown…Nope, wasn’t a dream the guys actually said it.
Still think that seventh pick was terrible. We shall see.
July 28th, 2009 at 5:53 am
let’s hope my boy Brace kicks ass in NE’s camp and they trade Wilfork to us for two or three of our LB/DE…
what do we have… about 34 LB/DEs???
who loves tweeners???
we do !!!
July 28th, 2009 at 5:54 am
uh, i should say that i was being facetious…
July 28th, 2009 at 6:00 am
For some reason Michael Vick reminds me of Tracy Morgan’s character, “Woodrow” on SNL:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=bKytwmAKcps
“Take a doo-doo pie!”
July 28th, 2009 at 6:00 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S,HWNDR,NOMOREFARGAS.DAMN,PLACE IS CROWDED THIS MORNING,TRAINING CAMP WOKE EVERYONE UP I GUESS..
July 28th, 2009 at 6:15 am
Yup…2 weeks from Thursday is the first pre-season game in Oak Town. Time is drawing nearer…
July 28th, 2009 at 6:18 am
the talk is our draft lets face the facts guys AD hands were all over it and he fd it up look what couldhave been im not even gonna talk about crabtree or maclin and both r better who else was there at number 7 monroe lt yup we passed orakpo de yup great talent we passed and in the 2nd round ok cinci grabbed maluagua we should have moved up then do another bone headed thing again me being from the east coast i see this guy play more than u we trade out and the patroits grab brack this guys is a best
July 28th, 2009 at 6:21 am
brack played next to raji at BC same player without the sacks huge run stuffer and what did why give up per carry last year 4.6 yup nice move AL
July 28th, 2009 at 6:26 am
DHB HAS AS MANY CATCHES / TOUCHDOWN’S IN THE NFL AS CRABTREE AND MACLIN COMBINED !!!
July 28th, 2009 at 6:29 am
Good squad at post 256, thx Scottish. No Justin or Javon, no big loss, although I hope we could get some value for Burgess.
Sands = out, TY. But we still need another DT for the rotation or the big guys will be gassed in the fourth.
Only 3 RBs is worrisome unless we find a stud for the practice squad. Is Echimandu in the league and/or is he ineligible for the practice squad by now?
Oh, and you forgot Southwick. Don’t sleep on him…he put the second M in MORMON.
July 28th, 2009 at 6:31 am
I know I say this every year, but I do look forward to a great season. Yes, I know, it is hard to keep a positive outlook after 6 disatrous years, but if the team can continue on from the last two games…I think Houston was already counted out, but still a good team that the Raiders haven’t beaten until then, and Tampa was the NFC’s version of Denver with only having to win one of the last 3 to get in…we’ll see what happens!
July 28th, 2009 at 6:31 am
Tom Cable speaks tomorrow!
Jerry Mac uses Twitter for instant updates!
the season is underway, boys …
July 28th, 2009 at 6:32 am
who is brack?
July 28th, 2009 at 6:34 am
WAS WONDERING THAT MYSELF ROCKSTAR.. GOOD MORNING BY THE WAY.
July 28th, 2009 at 6:35 am
good morning AM crew and guests …
July 28th, 2009 at 6:36 am
I think he meant Brace. Good Morning Rockstar, Dirt Lot and the rest of the AM crew!
July 28th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Gabby, get BSJ, Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, NMF & Pete some coffee …
i’ll have some biscuits with country sausage gravy poured on top please!
keep the coffee hot n fresh too, girl!
July 28th, 2009 at 6:44 am
3. Frye (QB)
7. O’Neal (FB)
25. Watkins or Holland(WR)
49. Joseph or Bryant(DT)
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Scottish -
3. Danny Southwick is WAY better than Charlie Frye.
7. OO will start out on the PUP list. Luke Lawton will take his place on the roster until he’s ready to go
25 & 49. give me Johnathan Holland & William Joseph
July 28th, 2009 at 6:46 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 28th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Gabby, get BSJ, Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, NMF & Pete some coffee …
i’ll have some biscuits with country sausage gravy poured on top please!
keep the coffee hot n fresh too, girl!
Thanks Rockstar…that biscuits and gravy sounds really good right now, too!
July 28th, 2009 at 6:51 am
dr ice Says:
July 28th, 2009 at 6:21 am
brack played next to raji at BC same player without the sacks huge run stuffer
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I thought brack beat John McCain?
July 28th, 2009 at 6:52 am
ALL I WAS SAY’N DR.ICE IS,THERE IS ALWAY’S SOMEONE UNHAPPY WITH DRAFT-PICK’S, THAT DEBATE IS GOOD FOR ABOUT A WEEK AFTER SAID DRAFT, U CANT CHANGE IT.LET US AS FAN’S DEAL WITH WHO THE RAIDER’S PICK’D AND CARRY ON.
July 28th, 2009 at 6:55 am
WAS GOING MENTION THAT BSJ, BUT I LET IT GO. LOL
July 28th, 2009 at 7:09 am
I thought brack beat John McCain?
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brack amama?
July 28th, 2009 at 7:16 am
The fact that Stryker Sulak was unclaimed on waivers indirectly supported the Raiders’ decision to dump him — but didn’t say much for the decision to draft him in the first place.
But now two NFL teams are giving the 199th overall selection in the draft (round six) a look-see.
Per Darin Gantt of the Rock Hill Herald, Sulak worked out today for the Patriots, and he’ll also work out for the Panthers. Sulak’s agent says that ten teams are interested.
-PFT
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where would a tweener fit in Carolina’s 4-3 defense? SLB? shouldn’t be too difficult to remove Na’il Diggs or Landon Johnson from the starting lineup …
I assume he’d be a LOLB in New England’s 3-4 defense. shouldn’t be too difficult to remove Pierre Woods or Tully Banta-Cain from the starting lineup …
this cat has some real opportunity if he proves to be a player in training camp. I’m rooting for him
July 28th, 2009 at 7:17 am
No offer yet from Crabtree camp
Posted by Mike Florio (PFT)
So with the 49ers and receiver Michael Crabtree hunkering down for what could be an extended holdout, how far along have the negotiations progressed?
Um, they haven’t.
Per multiple league sources, agent Eugene Parker hasn’t even communicated an offer to the team, even though rookies are due to report tomorrow.
There’s a theory making the rounds that Crabtree’s injured foot hasn’t completely healed. And since he couldn’t practice anyway, it isn’t hurting him to hold out.
If he’s healthy, however, he’s hurting himself badly by not being there.
Or, as one source delicately put it, “He needs to get his azz in there.”
July 28th, 2009 at 7:26 am
Morning Nation!!!!
Southwick movin up the depth charts!!!
Russell Probowl Alternate!!!!
JLH Probowl ST
Henderson to the PB!!!!!!!!
I will have that suit ready two weeks from thurs!!!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 7:27 am
So, did any of you arse holes watch Chronicle Live last night? Nnamdi’s interview with Greg Papa?
I posted a portion of it i found in the Sac Bee, but that wasn’t the good stuff. When Nnamdi talked about the defense and Rob Ryan’s lack of coaching technique, I got the feeling Nnamdi believes the talent is already on the roster, but no one “really” knew how to play thier positions, or assignments while Ryan was there… Just interesting stuff, and changed my thoughts on our run defense.
July 28th, 2009 at 7:28 am
good morning OAKlifer, AZ …
July 28th, 2009 at 7:28 am
“DHB HAS AS MANY CATCHES / TOUCHDOWN’S IN THE NFL AS CRABTREE AND MACLIN COMBINED !!!”
How profound, GTF out!
The difference is DHB will be remind everyone of Ricky Dudley while the other two guys, and our own Louis Murphy will be players for many years in the league.
July 28th, 2009 at 7:29 am
got a meeting to run to.
see you fellers later!
July 28th, 2009 at 7:29 am
Oh ya…. GOOD MORNING NATION!
RAIDER ON!!!!!!!!!!!!
-A true fan
You people……
Ok, now we’re ready LOL
July 28th, 2009 at 7:34 am
i never liked crabtree…
i don’t like him now…
and i never wil like him…
i will give al this… avoiding crabtree was a big plus…
avoiding Raji, a big minus…
avoiding Monroe, a big minus…
trading down to make sure we don’t get Brace, a big minus…
ignoring my main man Jaspar Brinkley… a fuqqing crime…
July 28th, 2009 at 7:34 am
Oaklifer,
It’s always good to be around fans like you bro LOL… Makes the days easier!
July 28th, 2009 at 7:34 am
Hey AZ while I got nothing but mad love for Nhamdi and his love for playing for our team, he’s not a defensive coordinator. I’m sure every player on the field has an opinion of who should be playing and where, but if that were a recipe for success no team would have a head coach much less coordinators. Still, Nnamdi’s thoughts were encouraging and I hope the defense learns how to stop the run this year.
July 28th, 2009 at 7:38 am
I’m just saying, I’d trust Nnamdi’s opinion of whats going on, on the defensive side of the ball before I listen to anyone in this chat room, or Jerry for that matter.
See if you can’t find the interview or watch the re-run and you’ll see where I’m coming from. He answers alot of questions and proves speculatory comments I read on here wrong. But of coarse, it’s more fun to make up BS and throw out opinions for alot of people…
July 28th, 2009 at 7:44 am
Good Morning NATION!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 7:46 am
He says striaght out Ryan didn’t emphisize gap control and wanted players to rely on their physical abilities rather than play with the correct technique, and knowlege of how to fill assigned gaps. He said especially at the LB position, that was the case. If THAT is true, well no wonder we were 31st agaist the run. I’m more optamistic about our run defense after watching that interview. I’m not saying top ten, but I suspect we’ll improve dramatically.
July 28th, 2009 at 7:46 am
okay…
no more than 3 or 4 more cups of coffee for you…
July 28th, 2009 at 7:47 am
i predict we will have a top 30 run defense…
go ahead…
call me out!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 7:47 am
man we cut frantz joseph bummer.Still cant afford 2 hook up a line at my new house,so i at da library but anyway will get hooked some day it gonna be a great season I can just feel it,ya know???
July 28th, 2009 at 7:48 am
Good guess Pete.
July 28th, 2009 at 7:49 am
Brinkley was my Nummber 1 LB !!!!!!!!!
Whats up pete??/
Hey am crew whos the new hater 294????
We will have a nice batch of hator-aid ready…… while we all sip some Kool-Aid
July 28th, 2009 at 7:51 am
Wow, someone obviously bruises like an emotional peach.
I’m not doubting Nnamdi in anyway or detracting from the man’s opinion. Every player has one, even the best corner in the league–who has a one that makes sense.
I’m just not willing to place all the blame on Ryan. Hopefully Nnamdi’s assessment proves to be true but I think we’ve got issues with our run stoppers up front.
Until we see the product on the field when San Diego comes to town, the verdict is still out on this defense.
July 28th, 2009 at 7:52 am
$eva What shakes brother??? good to see ya!!!1
Top 30 WRITE IT DOWN!!!!!!
I’ll bet on that!!
July 28th, 2009 at 7:53 am
*****$eva is of course code for!!!!
4eva!!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 7:53 am
I think the rookies on defense will out-play many veterns on ANY team this year.This will go down as 1 of the best defensive draft classes ever,imo
July 28th, 2009 at 7:53 am
Mornin all.
Whats up 4eva?? Any wild meat hanging??
July 28th, 2009 at 7:56 am
Ooh, Kim Kardashian is single once again. I wonder if she’ll finally go Asian!
July 28th, 2009 at 7:57 am
SUP OAKlifer???
Its been VERY hard on me not being here,my lap-top isnt wired 2 a phone-line and it took all my cash 2 move into bigger house cause my daughter moved in to get away from azzhole boyfriend and now she moved back in with him so I stuck in big house with big payment,that little b!tch,lol
July 28th, 2009 at 7:58 am
Look, Rob Ryan did not work out. But somehow he earned the trust of the owner, Al Davis, for 6 years. Al kept him around through different head coaches. He brought Ryan back after Kiffin had fired him.
What’s my point?
I doubt Al Davis would keep a coach around that long who couldn’t coach the basics like tackling, gap control and all the other stuff you guys are pontificating about.
Rob Ryan, for better or worse, was able to secure another Defensive Coordinator position. If he was as incompetent as you all say….would Mangini put his career on the line for this guy? I doubt it.
Rob Ryan was a bad fit in Oakland. A 3-4 pressure DC coaching for a team that believes in 4-3 pass coverage with speed and finesse.
Also, the talent on the roster is what it is. Look, its coaching, talent, playcalling and scheme. Hopefully John Marshall can use his honeymoon period to straighten this out.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:00 am
DR,
I MOVED 2 THE BACK OF 50,000 ACRE preserve.Swear to God me and neighbor built a hog-pen and ther was 1 in there this morning!!! a nice 60 pounder or so.will shoot or keep 2 breed but this is our 2nd one in a week!!!!!!!!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:01 am
CON SPIRISY theroy:
If Crab-ass holds out, in turn DHB might not get a contract done until well after camp starts. If Crab is still hurt, then it will not hurt him much to hold out, but it could creat a problem with DHB!
Crab whants more money than the 10th pick, so DHB’s agent will want more money also.
NET: DNB misses time on the field, falls further behind the other WR.
Crab-ass gets his $$$, and is given time to recover!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:03 am
I am happy to hear that Nnamdi, Kirk and others are excited about the defense this year. They should be! Hopefully that enthusiasm translates to the field.
But for me personally, it sounds like a lot of Raider players are talking from a script. “Our defense didn’t focus on fundamentals….didn’t teach gap discipline…on and on and on”
These guys have to get it done on the field. Rob Ryan didn’t miss tackles or get overpowered at the line of scrimmage or jump offsides…the players did. The players have to step up. Listen to John Marshall and start taking more pride in what they do.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:03 am
God I wish I WAS hooked up at home but I will be soon,theres a waiting line 4 computers but I keep pushing the button 4 more time!!! FUKK ‘EM =)
July 28th, 2009 at 8:04 am
that could very well happen Racoon
July 28th, 2009 at 8:07 am
In the mean time, Louis Murphy makes us think of what might have been with the number seven pick.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:07 am
4evaRaider Says:
July 28th, 2009 at 8:00 am
DR,
I MOVED 2 THE BACK OF 50,000 ACRE preserve.Swear to God me and neighbor built a hog-pen and ther was 1 in there this morning!!! a nice 60 pounder or so.will shoot or keep 2 breed but this is our 2nd one in a week!!!!!!!!!!
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Nice work eva!! 60#’s is perfect for eatin. Man, smoke the back strap, it is awesome!!
Hey, if ya don’t want to wast any meat, the .17HMR with the 20 grain XTP works well for the close up, between the eyes shot. They go down faster than Tim Brown over the middle. lol
July 28th, 2009 at 8:08 am
I dont think I get any more time but this has been TOTALLY GREAT 4 ME,.If I smoked cigarettes I guess this would B the time 2 light-up!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:09 am
SnB
I was trying to make that point yesterday.
The defense is a multifaceted problem that definitely includes a talent deficiency on our Dline.
Some of the best proof to offer is that Ryan and Millard were unemployed for about three seconds.
I predict Marshall will shake up our Dline with some personnel moves.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:10 am
Good morning Nation.
I like the young Ss, they have great size, speed, and they both like to hit.
4eva,
The things we do due to love for our kids!! Amazing!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:12 am
314 Damn Bro tuogh times LOL damn her!!!!!!! lets go work over here Ex give him the romanowski eye socket treatment ment or the atikson swan chop!!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:12 am
hey DirtyRacoon I did smoke the strap and the tender-loin on the 1st one.would like 2 start breeding them in pens and sell them,anything 2 make money in this economy,cause I still have to wait 4 harvest if ya know what i mean!!!.Like I said it sure is great living on a nature preserve!!! Gorrilla farming it’s best =)
July 28th, 2009 at 8:13 am
O,
You cant say you love kids on the internet!!!!
LOL
Morning brother!!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:13 am
I don’t see how any Defense can be successful if the coach tells you… “Hey Kirk, you and your guys go out there and cover this general area and try and feel the play out. If you see him run the ball, react and use the your speed to compensate for my lack of play calling, get there and make the tackle for a loss, Got it Kirk”?
July 28th, 2009 at 8:14 am
Light up!!!!
Legalize IT!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:15 am
hwnrdr Says:
July 28th, 2009 at 6:46 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 28th, 2009 at 6:37 am
Gabby, get BSJ, Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, NMF & Pete some coffee …
i’ll have some biscuits with country sausage gravy poured on top please!
keep the coffee hot n fresh too, girl!
Thanks Rockstar…that biscuits and gravy sounds really good right now, too!
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Yep. Dang, can get a side of corn beef hash, and some fried eggs??
July 28th, 2009 at 8:15 am
OAKlifer and Raider O
yep we blind 2 those kind of things.O enjoy your little girl when she is young cause she will be 18 some day and might be dumb like mine =)
July 28th, 2009 at 8:15 am
I’m being sarcastic of coarse, but thats how bad Nnamdi made it sound…
July 28th, 2009 at 8:15 am
LATER 4EVA good luck bro!!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:16 am
Hey O, i hear they are taxing cannibus is Cali now… that’s one step closer!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:17 am
OAK,
LMAO
July 28th, 2009 at 8:17 am
Yep. Dang, can get a side of corn beef hash, and some fried eggs??
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Grits for me and a whole stick of butter and a bloody nary its going to be a long day!!!!!
mmmm I love grits
July 28th, 2009 at 8:18 am
man i 4-got some info i need 4 an extension on my un-employment so i will be back 2-morrow
I LOVE ALL YOU GUYS AND THE NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
GO RAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDERRRRRRRRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
July 28th, 2009 at 8:19 am
4evaRaider Says:
July 28th, 2009 at 8:12 am
hey DirtyRacoon I did smoke the strap and the tender-loin on the 1st one.would like 2 start breeding them in pens and sell them,anything 2 make money in this economy,cause I still have to wait 4 harvest if ya know what i mean!!!.Like I said it sure is great living on a nature preserve!!! Gorrilla farming it’s best =)
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D@m, man if I didn’t have a wife and kids, I’d move to FL and be your “grounds” keeper
!!
Whith da crop and da hogs, man youd be rich, and as happy as a man can get!!
I am “Green” with envy!!!lol
July 28th, 2009 at 8:20 am
WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
July 28th, 2009 at 8:23 am
Grits for me and a whole stick of butter and a bloody nary its going to be a long day!!!!!
mmmm I love grits
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Grits cooked with Bacon fat is off the hook!!
Man, Grits, crispy bacon, and hot coffee.. Thats it i’m gonna go EAT!!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:23 am
4eva,
When my daughter turns 16, I’m going to send her to live with my relative nomads. lol
AZ,
They also raised Tuition at colleges and universities!! Who needs education??!! Especially when the economy is bad!!!!!!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:25 am
Raider on 4eva.
The NATION luv’s U 2!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:27 am
AZ Raider,
Do we know what Ryan really was teaching the players? The players all loved him while he was here and went out of there way to keep him around…including Kirk and Nnamdi.
I am not defending Ryan by any stretch. I never was for his hire in the first place and had seen enough years ago.
But let’s not get ourselves duped into believing that simply swapping out the coach fixes all the problems.
For example, guys like Terdell Sands, Tommy Kelly showing up in shape! Having CBs like deAngelo Hall playing Man 2 Man….or relying on Wilson in coverage…and not having a true base DE.
It was more than just Rob Ryan playcalling. There was a lot of things going on that just didn’t make sense.
Let’s hope Marshall can turn this around and the players start making plays with their feet and shoulders and not with press conferences in the media.
Everyone on that defense (coaches, players, assistants) owns that 31st run d ranking
July 28th, 2009 at 8:28 am
I am “Green” with envy!!!lol
I second that!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:29 am
4eva,
That’s the great life!!!!
I wish I can do that, but I cant now.Can I visit? lol
July 28th, 2009 at 8:31 am
I wanna go green too!!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:33 am
met dhb at wallmart couple of days ago. he was looking 4 a tv. cool kid took the time to talk with me and my son . asked for his autograph had to grab a football and a sharpie off the shelf came back to him he was on the phone .he saw me and my son got off the phone to give my son his autograph,and talked some more . no one recognized him . real humble kid .he says he hungry and wants to make big plays in oakland and prove the nay-sayers wrong .
July 28th, 2009 at 8:33 am
They go down faster than Tim Brown over the middle. lol
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LMAO. The funniest was Timmy ducking on Pros vs. Joes. Weak.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:36 am
tim brown was great . blasphemy!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:40 am
Sounds like a great kid, and I look forward to watching him play for us.
Crab is very good, but I would take DHB over him because of the attitude. Also, DHB has more potential due to his abilities.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:41 am
Raider O Says:
July 28th, 2009 at 8:29 am
4eva,
That’s the great life!!!!
I wish I can do that, but I cant now.Can I visit? lol
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O, I’ll go with ya.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:42 am
NATION what is up?????????
Hope all is well with all my NATION Brothers….
I have been lurking not posting. I see we have
the usual degenerates, Like Raider O, BO, Oak lifer,
SnB D, Dirty, 4eva, and who ever i missed.
Looks like we still have a lot of feuding still going on. I hope when we start winning you NATION brothers can bury the hatchet, and not in each others heads.
It really is us against the world, as most fans hate us because they dont have what we have……
July 28th, 2009 at 8:43 am
bombs4ya Says:
July 28th, 2009 at 8:33 am
met dhb at wallmart couple of days ago. he was looking 4 a tv. cool kid took the time to talk with me and my son . asked for his autograph had to grab a football and a sharpie off the shelf came back to him he was on the phone .he saw me and my son got off the phone to give my son his autograph,and talked some more . no one recognized him . real humble kid .he says he hungry and wants to make big plays in oakland and prove the nay-sayers wrong .
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Good to see he’s spending money! Was he limping? Did he drop the ball while signing it? Did he have a beezie with him?
July 28th, 2009 at 8:43 am
O, your are allready green……
July 28th, 2009 at 8:43 am
2 Tommy Kelly $13,978,480
3 Javon Walker $12,000,960
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Ouch!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Bo, I allmost spit my coffee out on that one, you are sick my friend.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:44 am
crabtree is going to make TO and Moss look like church bunnies…
crabtree is already co-writing his own nomination to the Football Hall of Fame…
piss on him… we got a big break when al passed on him…
July 28th, 2009 at 8:46 am
BSJ, I could’t help it. I luv Timmy, but that was too easy!!
To Tim’s credit I could have said “it goes down faster than a Tim Brown slant over the middle”…
Most of those slant’s happend so fast the defense could not react. I wonder if DHB can do that????????
July 28th, 2009 at 8:47 am
You degenerates:
July 28th, 2009 at 8:47 am
I have been reading some of the post about DHB, and what he should contribute. Some of the disscussions centered around royal and his drop off in production.
royals production drop off was not due to him being figured out so to speak, it had more to do with him being injured. That said DHB being a 1st round pick i would expect him to perform and have an immediate impact out the gates, barring he has fully recovered from his injury.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Bo, I am a lazy dont run spell check…..
July 28th, 2009 at 8:49 am
Thec,
LMAO I do what I can…….
It’s nice to see a post from you!!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:50 am
Thec01 Says:
July 28th, 2009 at 8:44 am
Bo, I allmost spit my coffee out on that one, you are sick my friend.
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What’s up Thec01?
We are all sick.
Winning cures EVERYTHING!!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:51 am
O, what up Bro I read these blogs every day and you have been holding down the fort nicely. Hope all has been well with you. 408 and dirty are we going to do a fantasy league this year. that was some bomb stuff.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:52 am
Royal’s production had to drop off…
a coupla more games like he had a against us and they would have gone ahead and had his head measured for Canton…
July 28th, 2009 at 8:52 am
post 353:
he wasn’t spendin that much money he was at walmart. i hit him up about the drops at practice . says it will be different at game time . i told him everyone hatin on him and jamarcus he said ….. everyone hates on the raiders. he’s got some good size hands it’s all wait and see. i believe we got a player
July 28th, 2009 at 8:53 am
Post 363 = 1000% truth.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:55 am
DHB was drafted to help keep the Defenses honest. They can’t have 8 & 9 in the box, and help the Ss at the same time.
We have speed on the outsides, Miller to work the middle, and 2 young RBs that have big play ability.
July 28th, 2009 at 8:55 am
Walmart? For a TV?
That’s too funny!
July 28th, 2009 at 8:56 am
Florida Pete, whats up Bro? I had a chance to follow to watch a lot of the broncos this year, and i can tell you that he was not the same after his injury.
But i will say that he is all that he is cracked up to be. I remember that LMN on our board was touting him before the draft….
July 28th, 2009 at 8:57 am
Thec01 Says:
July 28th, 2009 at 8:48 am
Bo, I am a lazy dont run spell check…..
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I think your spelling was fine…
July 28th, 2009 at 9:01 am
If I was the Raiders OC against the Dischargers on Mon:
1st down: I formation, run with DMC
2nd Down: I strong formation, run with DMC
3rd down: single back, double TE formation, short pass to Miller or DMC
1st down: single back double TE formation, Play Action, go deep DHB, TD!!!!!!!!!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 9:03 am
Some of the best proof to offer is that Ryan and Millard were unemployed for about three seconds.
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Keith Millard is unemployed. He’s giving coaching seminars now. LOL
http://www.coachmillard.com/
good grief. will you ever stop talking out your behind?
Ryan & Martindale are 3-4 coaches that got hired by teams that run a 3-4 defense. surprised? I’m not. If you think the Browns & Broncos are gonna have a LIGHTS OUT defense because of these two clowns, you’re in for a shock – even if 3-4 is their specialty. Did anybody hear if these guys got any offers from teams that run a 4-3 defense? didn’t think so. shut your piehole
July 28th, 2009 at 9:03 am
I heard a conversation on the radio talking about Michael Bush becoming the next Michael Turner. That Bush will be little used and ultimately leave via free agency.
Got me upset again so my question.
What “tangible” skills does Justin Fargas bring to the table at 29yrs old that justify him playing over Michael Bush at 24yrs old?
July 28th, 2009 at 9:06 am
I hope Cable know how to call plays, I can go crazy with the weapons we have.
Thank God for Madden!! lol
Thec,
All is well bro, it a nice life, good blog, and I’m enjoying it as much as I can. lol
July 28th, 2009 at 9:10 am
I will have my own formation, I will call it PHAT CAT formation!
Bush played QB at HS, JR can use his frame to block on the outside, run option throw to DHB!!!
PHATCAT formation!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 9:12 am
When Nnamdi talked about the defense and Rob Ryan’s lack of coaching technique, I got the feeling Nnamdi believes the talent is already on the roster, but no one “really” knew how to play thier positions, or assignments while Ryan was there… Just interesting stuff, and changed my thoughts on our run defense.
I’d trust Nnamdi’s opinion of whats going on, on the defensive side of the ball before I listen to anyone in this chat room, or Jerry for that matter.
He says striaght out Ryan didn’t emphisize gap control and wanted players to rely on their physical abilities rather than play with the correct technique, and knowlege of how to fill assigned gaps. He said especially at the LB position, that was the case. If THAT is true, well no wonder we were 31st agaist the run. I’m more optamistic about our run defense after watching that interview. I’m not saying top ten, but I suspect we’ll improve dramatically.
I don’t see how any Defense can be successful if the coach tells you… “Hey Kirk, you and your guys go out there and cover this general area and try and feel the play out. If you see him run the ball, react and use the your speed to compensate for my lack of play calling, get there and make the tackle for a loss, Got it Kirk”?
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AZ: I’m sorry you got attacked for having a brain. They do the same to me. Get ready to serve them some crow on game days. Anybody who doesn’t think coaching makes a difference has #1 never watched football #2 never played football #3 has mental disability or #4 all of the above
July 28th, 2009 at 9:13 am
new post
July 28th, 2009 at 9:15 am
good morning Dirty, Raider O, Jhill, etc
4eva returns! you’re the man. the AM crews misses you brother. We always save a seat for you in the diner
hope all is well
July 28th, 2009 at 9:33 am
thec!!!
Whats good brethran?!?!?
Good to see ya!!!
July 28th, 2009 at 10:17 am
# HayesDaze37 Says:
July 27th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Whether they call themselves fans or not…the negativity of some of these guys will not bring my optimism of THIS team down.
Having an educated and well-thought discussion about anything football with the trolls is impossible. That’s where the name-calling starts, and regular guys get run over by the BS farmers.
Don’t take it from the trolls, I say! They’re already embarrassing themselves — keep throwing their BS right back at them!
Ahh, that’s better.
Now, I think I’ll play a little o’ The Autumn Wind for melady, and drift off to dream a Super Bowl dream…
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And dream you shall….
Let’s see…
- Worst record by any team ever over a 7 year stretch.
- 27th Overall Defense
- 29th in Total Yards (offense)
- 28th in Total TD’s (offense)
- Overpaid for Tommy Kelly and Terdell Sands who anchor the second worst Rush Defense in the NFL.
- Drafted a project WR #7 overall, drafted an unknown, small school PROJECT safety with the 2nd round pick. Both picks could have been had later in trade downs. Even if nobody was willing to trade up to #7 with Oakland.. Mitchell DEFINITELY could have been had later. Save the Bears conjecture.
- They haven’t drafted a DT in 4 years which has been a BIG need position for more than 4 years.
- Ran the last capable coach out of town because he actually ran an offense that WORKED! God forbid it deviated from the RAIDER TRADITION.
- The carousel of “cookie cutter” coaches that have come and gone since speaks for itself.
I am sorry but “hope” and “optimism” doesn’t win championships.
Don’t let the facts get in the way of your opinions.
See you at 6-10. Hope I am wrong, but I don’t see it getting any better than that. 7-9 is a GREAT season with this team and about all you can ask for.
July 28th, 2009 at 11:41 am
Jerry – tweeting from camp!?!
Awesome work good sir!
Realtime onsite info is what separates exclusive content from the been-there-heard-that reports… It’s good to have you as a go-to source of Raider info…
July 28th, 2009 at 11:53 am
Expect a 6-10 or 7-9 season at best folks….anything better will be a nice surprise….but I doubt it. If lower your expectations, than it won’t hurt as much in the end and if they do better, than it will feel that much better because you didn’t expect.
Al Davis needs to go…..
July 28th, 2009 at 11:54 am
The Evil over exposed waste of time fad Tweaker Tweeter, is only good for one thing!
Training camp updates! haha
August 28th, 2009 at 4:59 am
Cheap Seasonale…
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