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To Vick, or not to Vick?

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, July 28th, 2009 at 9:43 pm in Oakland Raiders.

Here’s a link to an Bay Area News Group poll about whether the Raiders or 49ers should sign Michael Vick.

Before the Raiders signed Jeff Garcia, I wrote that I thought signing Vick would be a good idea. He knows Tom Cable from Atlanta, could be used creatively along with Darren McFadden in a Wildcat formation and could be a classic Raiders reclamation project.

Not to mention the fact that the whole public relations problem everyone is so worried about wouldn’t exist with the Raiders because they don’t care about P.R. The Raiders do what the Raiders do. Deal with it.

With Garcia aboard, and assuming he’s not going anywhere, it’s hard to envision Vick considering the Raiders as an option because his chances at actually playing quarterback would be slim. If he was the backup to Russell, he’d be an injury away and could still do be used as a gimmick.

As for the 49ers, they’re so over-the-top image conscious it’s hard to imagine Vick coming to San Francisco, although once-upon-a-time it didn’t prevent them from signing Lawrence Phillips with the endorsement of both Bill Walsh and Dr. Harry Edwards.

And if you compare what Michael did to dogs against what Lawrence Phillips did to to the human race, Vick is the far more palatable option.

CCT columnist Cam Inman makes the case for why both teams shouldn’t consider Vick, although his point about Amy Trask being a dog lover is a reach.

If Al Davis was sold on the notion that Vick could help the team win, he’d have no trouble listening to the case made by Tony Dungy _ whom he once interviewed long ago as a head coaching candidate _ and signing him to a contract.

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  • SnB Defense

    OAKlifer Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 11:30 am
    I have no problem with DMAC being selected 4th overall. I do have a problem with the 4th overall selection being utilized like a part-time 4th rounder.
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    Not my convo but wasnt that b/c he was never at full health????
    =======================================================
    After the Miami game, DMAC was ready to play. Russell had to lobby Cable to get him into the last couple of games. DMAC said it was the “coaches call”…and Tom Cable gave some weird reason about 3rd downs or something.

    DMAC is a 20 touch a game player…Period

    Bush is a 10 to 15 carries a game player…Period

    Fargas is a 15+ carry a player too. Unfortunately he is 29 yrs old….When Davis drafted Bush & DMAC…that should have been a sign where his career was going. They should have played him earlier in his career.

    That’s why I am big on getting younger players the playing time. Look at Fargas. Sits on the bench most of his career…finally flashes some talent…but is now older and is replaced by more dynamic talent.

  • RaiderRockstar

    First year Raider, tackle Khalif Barnes, is excited for training to begin and expects good things to come. “I’m happy to be in camp. I haven’t played football in a long time. January was my last game,” Barnes said. “It’s that time of the year again when you get that itch.”

    With it being Barnes’ first camp with the Raiders, he is impressed with the set up. “It’s my first time in Napa and it looks awesome. I’m just looking forward to having fun,” Barnes explained.

    ***

    having fun, and sitting on the bench behind Super Mario and Super Mop Handle!

  • priesttj

    SnB, Al Davis has always been very prtective of injured players that have great potential. Bush wasn’t going to be used until they were sure he was ready. Sure he didn’t agree but I’ll tell you most of the time it’s best for the player.

    I remember when Tim Brown had the kne injury he held him out an extra year. At the time Tim didn’t appreciate it but it extended his career as he says. If they rush back too many things can and often do go wrong. I told Arman as much last year and he didn’t like it. But it might be the difference in his having a chance to make the team.

  • Florida Pete

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    For those thinking backup quarterback Andrew Walter was done, that was news to him. He checked in for camp Tuesday — and yes, they did issue him a room key.

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    i’m not sure the key to the washroom in the lobby counts…

  • RaiderRockstar

    i’m not sure the key to the washroom in the lobby counts…

    ***

    or the key to the janitor closet?

    maybe AW is the “source” for Bobby’s janitor boyfriend?

    Bobby: did BJ Raji report to Alameda yet???

  • Al DAVIS HAS COJONES

    DREW ROSENHAUS RE-SIGNS JAVON WALKER?????

    1st Mario Henderson, then Louis Murphy, now sorry ass Javon???

    Sound like a little buying low selling high to me.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Drew Roseycheeks is popular among players. He builds up their self confidence and makes them feel like their value is through the roof – even if it isn’t true

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Well, according to the Wed. camp schedule at napavalleyregister.com, right about now Danny Southwick is getting his helmet speaker hooked up to the coaches headset.

    Then he’ll have lunch with his roommate Nnamdi before an afternoon PR meeting on how Danny should handle the upcoming media circus…

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    Cable speaks in 7 minutes?

  • Teabag

    priesttj Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 11:26 am

    DMC was injured or he could’ve been a huge difference maker. Had Bush been used properly he would’ve been dominant.

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    This is why some people dump on the team..

    DOMINANT?

    And you base this on what exactly?? A game in TB?? ONE GAME…

    If that was the case…

    Joe Aska
    Rashean Mathis
    Aaron Wallace
    Sam Graddy
    Billy Joe Hobert
    Darryl Hobbs
    James Trapp
    Doug Jolley

    all would have been dominant too… As they have had some amazing single games in their careers.

    You speak of “waiting and see before we dump on anything”

    Yea, well let’s wait and see before we go anointing Michael Bush… “DOMINANT”

  • RaiderRockstar

    Danny Southwick is roomed up with Nnamdi?

    Southwick can already read a defense and audible when he sees a coverage he doesn’t like. I guess this is good for team chemistry though, since Danny is a 1st year Raider. captain on offense roomed up with captain on defense, huh? cool

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 11:29 am
    KoolKell Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:42 am
    Haslem is better than Odom.

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    At what?

    ::::::::::::::

    He does have better hair than Odom…other than that…

  • Teabag

    somebody said Fargas is a 15+ carry per game player????

    LOL….

    hey, I may be in the minority here… but Fargas isn’t even a 5+ carry a game player…

  • RaiderRockstar

    Teabag: Rashean Mathis is a great player for Jacksonville

    don’t know if i’d call him “dominant” though.

    He has to cover Andre Johnson, Reggie Wayne and now Kenny Britt twice a year.

  • Teabag

    sorry not Rashean Mathis..

    I Meant Rashard Baker

  • RaiderRockstar

    I may be in the minority here… but Fargas isn’t even a 5+ carry a game player…

    ***

    McFadden is the starter and Bush will be the 3rd down, change of pace back. also used in short yardage and goalline situations. Both of them can catch passes out of the backfield

    nice to have Fargas in case of injury I guess?

  • Teabag

    # RaiderRockstar Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    I may be in the minority here… but Fargas isn’t even a 5+ carry a game player…

    ***

    McFadden is the starter and Bush will be the 3rd down, change of pace back. also used in short yardage and goalline situations. Both of them can catch passes out of the backfield

    nice to have Fargas in case of injury I guess?
    ————————————————-

    I believe Bush will have more carries than McFadden…

    When you compare their skill sets. Bush loses efficiency as a change of pace back.. You are playing away from his strengths.

    McFadden is going to used to create matchup issues. (pro set, split wide. in motion, in the slot etc)

    McFadden is not going to be used like a traditional back, nor should he be.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    new post up

  • Silver-n-Smac

    # RaiderRockstar Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 12:03 pm

    I may be in the minority here… but Fargas isn’t even a 5+ carry a game player…

    Sorry fellas, but, as much as I love McFadden & Bush, I’ll still take Fargus every day of the week.

    I want tough dudes on my team. That guy is pure heart & toughness. I’m definitely the one in the minority, but I can name you Raider after Raider from those teams in the 70′s that didn’t exactly drool with athleticism. But, those guys had the heart & grit to make us champions.

    Those are the types of guys I want more of for this team.