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To Vick, or not to Vick?

Here’s a link to an Bay Area News Group poll about whether the Raiders or 49ers should sign Michael Vick.

Before the Raiders signed Jeff Garcia, I wrote that I thought signing Vick would be a good idea. He knows Tom Cable from Atlanta, could be used creatively along with Darren McFadden in a Wildcat formation and could be a classic Raiders reclamation project.

Not to mention the fact that the whole public relations problem everyone is so worried about wouldn’t exist with the Raiders because they don’t care about P.R. The Raiders do what the Raiders do. Deal with it.

With Garcia aboard, and assuming he’s not going anywhere, it’s hard to envision Vick considering the Raiders as an option because his chances at actually playing quarterback would be slim. If he was the backup to Russell, he’d be an injury away and could still do be used as a gimmick.

As for the 49ers, they’re so over-the-top image conscious it’s hard to imagine Vick coming to San Francisco, although once-upon-a-time it didn’t prevent them from signing Lawrence Phillips with the endorsement of both Bill Walsh and Dr. Harry Edwards.

And if you compare what Michael did to dogs against what Lawrence Phillips did to to the human race, Vick is the far more palatable option.

CCT columnist Cam Inman makes the case for why both teams shouldn’t consider Vick, although his point about Amy Trask being a dog lover is a reach.

If Al Davis was sold on the notion that Vick could help the team win, he’d have no trouble listening to the case made by Tony Dungy _ whom he once interviewed long ago as a head coaching candidate _ and signing him to a contract.

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  • SnB Defense

    I am sure that JLH wants to be a starting receiver. Kick returners don’t make a very good living in the NFL. How long do they last?

    You make money by being a starter on offense or defense…not special teams.

    I am sure that JLH and his agent have had this conversation already. Look for him to try and take that #2 WR job this camp.

  • jhill

    There was no great JLH, Chazz debate other than they should be able to “pick up where they left off” and get 3-4 grabs a game this year. No one said they would be dominant, or make the pro bowl this year. I only said they should be productive given the chance to start. If we can get 50 catches from each of our starting WRs, that would be good for the TEAM, not necessarily their PB chances. One step at a time.

  • Teabag

    # Dakota Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:16 am

    Rockstar, of course they need Lamar…if Lamar wants his money, then the Heat should do a sign and trade—Beasley for Odom straight up…
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    Beasley for Odom???

    lol……..

    you must be a Laker fan.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    SnB Defense Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:16 am

    If the Raiders throw the ball 30 to 35 times per game…and Russell can get 20 to 25 completions a game…the receiving numbers will take care of themselves.
    ______________________________________
    SnB, did you just say if Russell can complete between 66.67% and 71.43% of his passes the receiving numbers will take care of themselves?

    I wouldn’t hold my breath….

  • OAKlifer

    I am sure that JLH and his agent have had this conversation already. Look for him to try and take that #2 WR job this camp.

    *****************

    I am sure they have aswell, but if JLH returning punts gives our team the best chance to win mark my words he will do so…..and in return when one aspect of your game is going well the other aspects seem to slow down and come easier….come on guys this isnt even koolaid its just the truth!

  • RaiderRockstar

    Dakota & Teabag:

    who is Beasley (Miami) ?

  • beeecham

    Hey Oakcrapper! My favorite new old dude! Man, for a geezer you sure have a lot of energy.

    Krappy usually can only spit out a sentence at a time before he craps his drawers, but you go on and on like a 6th grade chick wired on Coke Zero! Must be the Metamucil in the am, huh old dude?

    I’m a little concerned you use so many caps and say “LOL” as much as you do. That’s usually what teenage chicks do when they’re gossiping on myspace. But you do what works for you, o friend of Krappy!

    Finally I’ve noticed you have a lot of conspiracy theories about bloggers using multiple identities. Don’t worry, my senile old pal – acute paranoia is very common for a dude your age. Cool!

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Teabag,

    Oh yeah…big time, lol. I actually saw that proposed trade on a Miami Herald column, so it is not just me dreaming! The Heat want to keep Wade and the best way to do that is surround him with good veteran players now…they would rather have Wade and Odom for the next few years than just a team with Beasley in 2010 after Wade bolts to Chi town.

  • i dress in black

    Didn’t Vick play WR at some point? Bring him on as WR and see what he does.

  • Teabag

    Michael Beasley was a rookie out of Kansas State for Miami.. He didnt have as good of a year as OJ Mayo or Derrick Rose but he definitely is going to be a great player in the league.

    And is 20 years old…

    Only a Laker fan would suggest trading one of the brightest young players in the game for a 30 year old 6th man LOL

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    COW

    Yes, but don’t you think if Chaz or JLH have 60 catches & 8 TD’s would be a good contribution to a team with Miller.Mac,Bush as other pass options?

  • OAKlifer

    SnB Defense Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:19 am
    I am sure that JLH wants to be a starting receiver. Kick returners don’t make a very good living in the NFL. How long do they last?

    ************************************
    They last untill they prove to be a WR worth not risking on puntreturns….and does eric meltcalf ring a bell man would I have loved him in his prime….look @ tim brown he was used as a PR untill he proved to be worthy..thats all Im saying He is a solid to VERY good PR and we could use his services in that area and after he breaks a couple…..he will gain MAD confidence and then hopefully he will secure that number 2 spot till then he is just the guy with 22 catches tons of potential and one helluva PR………..

  • Teabag

    # Dakota Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:26 am

    Teabag,

    Oh yeah…big time, lol. I actually saw that proposed trade on a Miami Herald column, so it is not just me dreaming! The Heat want to keep Wade and the best way to do that is surround him with good veteran players now…they would rather have Wade and Odom for the next few years than just a team with Beasley in 2010 after Wade bolts to Chi town.
    ————————————————–

    I can tell you right now, that will never happen. Beasley is cost controlled on his rookie contract. They are working on extending Wade which I don’t see why it wouldnt happen.

    And, the more likely scenario for a sign and trade would be Odom for Haslem.

  • OAKlifer

    Beechnut,

    Whats the happs my youthful exsuberant friend???

    my favorite personality….well its a close second with bobby, but hows the day??? steal any lunch money or get yelled @ for using all the Dial up???

    What do you think of JLH returning punts??? is it to risky to have our “# 2″ outthere????

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Teabag,

    I think the Lakers would rather punish Odom for walking away from the money than do a sign and trade giving Odom the money he wants and giving the Heat a talented player for Haslem…Odom may have been the 6th man on the Lakers some of the time last season, but everyone knows that was simply a numbers game…he is an NBA starter on almost any other NBA team.

  • OAKlifer

    Beasly and wade for Odem and Kobe

    Walton would go on GP to make the deal look good…and the Heat would have to release the movie rights to “now magic coach” Stan Van so he can star in I am Ron Jeremy that Phils daughter is starring in….wait what was ?I saying????????

  • OAKlifer

    hey Beech,

    How many people are you today I see everyone shoiws upo right when you do??????

    this is not watergate either!

  • Kirk

    I’d sign Vick in a heartbeat.

    As Chris Rock said, “A white woman shoots a moose, and everybody thinks it’s great. A black man shoots a dog, and he goes to jail.”

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    NEW YORK — Plaxico Burress stood outside a Manhattan court room shortly after his grand jury testimony Wednesday, expressing remorse for his actions in a self-shooting last November.

    “I was truthful, I was honest and I’m truly remorseful for what I’ve done, what happened and what I did,” Burress said shortly after walking out of the courtroom at 12:43 p.m. Wednesday. “I just want to thank everybody — family, friends and fans — for their prayers and support.”

    Burress was wearing a gray suit with thin blue pinstripes, with a blue shirt and tie. He perspired as he spoke.

    He also ignored questions from bystanders, including one guy who yelled “Hey, Plax, Cowboys or Raiders?”
    __________________________________________

    LMFAO

  • RaiderRockstar

    Steve Smith & Brian Westbrook started out as return guys. Same with Darren Sproles.

    now Joshua Cribbs & Devin Hester are trying to make the transition to WR. utilize that speed and playmaking ability

    the experiment flopped for Dante Hall & Desmond Howard. you need to have a good pair of hands to be a WR in this league.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    Haslem is better than nothing though….

  • Teabag

    # Dakota Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:33 am

    Teabag,

    I think the Lakers would rather punish Odom for walking away from the money than do a sign and trade giving Odom the money he wants and giving the Heat a talented player for Haslem…Odom may have been the 6th man on the Lakers some of the time last season, but everyone knows that was simply a numbers game…he is an NBA starter on almost any other NBA team.

    ————————————————

    He logged starter minutes in LA… so eseentially he WAS a starter on LA. Which every LA fan knew but they used it to say “OH WHAT OTHER TEAM IS SO TALENTED THAT THEY CAN HAVE ODOM AS A 6th MAN??”

    its ridiculous.

    Either way, there is no way Miami ships Beasley for Odom.

    And Buss can try to punish Odom all he wants… Lakers need Odom more than he needs LA. He already has his ring.

  • MaineRaida

    if Al really has a hankering to get Vick, I’d hope he wouldn’t let the fact that Garcia is here for a year stop him…Vick’s gonna be around a lot longer than Garcia at this point. But being as there are several teams where he can walk right into the starting job, I doubt he’s considering Oakland as a top choice.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    I love all kinds of Beech’s
    Take off my shirt
    Pull down my breeches.

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:36 am

    ….you need to have a good pair of hands to be a WR in this league.
    _________________________________

    WHAT? Then why did we draft DHB????? SCHIT!

  • SnB Defense

    All I am saying about JLH is that he is more than just a guy to return punts.

    I think this is a guy that can be an effective receiver. He’s already proven big play capability out of the receiver position. Opponents that do their homework will know he’s on the field.

    Is he an every down wide receiver? Who knows. Let’s watch the camp competition unfold and see what happens.

    JLH is going to surprise some folks this year. As will Schilens….I am going to say 50 to 70 catches in 2009. They are capable of grabbing 3 to 5 per game.

    As long as OTs hold it down on the pass rush…..

  • OAKlifer

    He also ignored questions from bystanders, including one guy who yelled “Hey, Plax, Cowboys or Raiders?”
    __________________________________________

    LMFAO

    ******************
    Now thats funny right there…..sad but true!!

  • lefty12

    SnB,KK,Cow-would you guys quit interrupting with your football talk.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Haslem is better than Odom.

  • RaiderRockstar

    He also ignored questions from bystanders, including one guy who yelled “Hey, Plax, Cowboys or Raiders?”

    ***

    “Ravens or Jaguars” would have been more appropriate … both teams need a #1 WR and have playoff potential

  • http://media-2.web.britannica.com/eb-media/63/60563-004-52A399D4.jpg Dakota

    We should trade Garcia to Minnesota for a case of Slim Fast and treadmill that we can put in Russell’s living room.

  • RaiderRockstar

    WHAT? Then why did we draft DHB?????

    ***

    Cable said his hands weren’t an issue!

    in Cable you trust, right Dakota?

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    I guess Jerry & David were drunk and in bed when JaMarcus Checked in last nite.

  • OAKlifer

    Is he an every down wide receiver? Who knows. Let’s watch the camp competition unfold and see what happens.

    ***********
    Thats kinda what im gettin at too its a wait and see approach as I said earlier…”look @ tim brown he was used as a PR untill he proved to be worthy..”

    untill he proves to be that every down dependable WR then lets let him at least impact our team even if it is on special teams.

  • RaiderRockstar

    We should trade Garcia to Minnesota for a case of Slim Fast and treadmill that we can put in Russell’s living room.

    ***

    thats too cheap! throw in a Wii Fit …

  • http://sportmag.us/images/Lester_Hayes_November_1981.jpg RaiderDogg

    KoolKell Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:45 am
    I guess Jerry & David were drunk and in bed when JaMarcus Checked in last nite.”

    JaMarcus waited until it was cold enough to arrive in his fur coat.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Keller: why do you assume Jerry Mac was drunk last night? because he’s white?

    did he leave out the Russell details because he’s racist?

  • OAKlifer

    I guess Jerry & David were drunk and in bed when JaMarcus Checked in last nite.
    *********************************
    thats wierd aren’t they married?????????

  • OAKlifer

    thats too cheap! throw in a Wii Fit …

    LOL I could see russell trying the down hill ski or the long jump!!!!!! poor poor little stand pad……

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Drunk because he’s a “Reporter”

  • beeecham

    Krappy, we already know you uncontrollably crap your pants throughout the day – but do we actually have to hear you do a live play by play?

    I thought we made more progress than that, you old goat.

    Oakcrapper, don’t get me wrong, I’m totally psyched to have another old dude as a blog pal, but your paranoid delusions about people using multiple identities kind of ruin it. The young folks of today like to look to our elders for their lifetime of experience, not for their delusional fantasies.

    Anyway, I think you’re worrying about who’s going to return punts and kickoffs much too early. The biggest concern you should have right now – along with the rest of us – is will Krappy get arrested stumbling through the Arby’s drive thru this afternoon in the nude?

  • RaiderRockstar

    fur coat? don’t tell Raider O!

    somebody probably went trapping to get that fur … haha

    O: does that take you off the Russell bandwagon?

    Danny Southwick would never wear a fur coat!

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    We’ll see if the fur coats are still around this year.

  • WESTRAIDER

    her are some player picks in napa (garcia looks old as dirt)
    http://www.napavalleyregister.com/articles/2009/07/29/sports/doc4a6fec9b7bb38721420861.txt

  • http://sportmag.us/images/Lester_Hayes_November_1981.jpg RaiderDogg

    Quick Notes & Quotes from Training Camp

    Defensive end Trevor Scott looks much bigger in the upper body. Last year, from a distance I thought Stuart Schweigert had been re-signed. No more mistaking him for a safety, based on the size of his arms.

    Scott said he weighed 256 pounds and wasn’t shy about stating his goals.

    “I want to start, I want to get double-digit sacks and just try to (defend the) run as well as I can,” Scott said.

    Scott came to Oakland playing on the left side, but said he is now more comfortable on the right.

  • http://sportmag.us/images/Lester_Hayes_November_1981.jpg RaiderDogg

    KK

    You know I’m just playin right? J can wear whatever he damn well pleases as long as he gets it done and I am willing to bet my Authentic JaMarcus Russel jersey that he WILL get it done.

  • http://sportmag.us/images/Lester_Hayes_November_1981.jpg RaiderDogg

    “Danny Southwick would never wear a fur coat!”

    Neither would Jon Alston.

  • SnB Defense

    Beeeecham,

    You never cease to amaze. Anyway, training camp is here. What are you looking forward to from the Raiders? Any opinion on camp battles?

    Your “concern” for certain bloggers has been well-documented.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Javon Walker re-signing with Drew Rosenhaus indicates to me, that he’s serious about re-starting his career.

  • http://sportmag.us/images/Lester_Hayes_November_1981.jpg RaiderDogg

    Damn Lo Neal looks HUGE in that picture at the Napa Valley Reg!

    Thanks for the link WESTRAIDER