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To Vick, or not to Vick?

Here’s a link to an Bay Area News Group poll about whether the Raiders or 49ers should sign Michael Vick.

Before the Raiders signed Jeff Garcia, I wrote that I thought signing Vick would be a good idea. He knows Tom Cable from Atlanta, could be used creatively along with Darren McFadden in a Wildcat formation and could be a classic Raiders reclamation project.

Not to mention the fact that the whole public relations problem everyone is so worried about wouldn’t exist with the Raiders because they don’t care about P.R. The Raiders do what the Raiders do. Deal with it.

With Garcia aboard, and assuming he’s not going anywhere, it’s hard to envision Vick considering the Raiders as an option because his chances at actually playing quarterback would be slim. If he was the backup to Russell, he’d be an injury away and could still do be used as a gimmick.

As for the 49ers, they’re so over-the-top image conscious it’s hard to imagine Vick coming to San Francisco, although once-upon-a-time it didn’t prevent them from signing Lawrence Phillips with the endorsement of both Bill Walsh and Dr. Harry Edwards.

And if you compare what Michael did to dogs against what Lawrence Phillips did to to the human race, Vick is the far more palatable option.

CCT columnist Cam Inman makes the case for why both teams shouldn’t consider Vick, although his point about Amy Trask being a dog lover is a reach.

If Al Davis was sold on the notion that Vick could help the team win, he’d have no trouble listening to the case made by Tony Dungy _ whom he once interviewed long ago as a head coaching candidate _ and signing him to a contract.

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  • RaiderRockstar

    Thanks West!

    There will be additional daily meetings throughout camp, which goes to Aug. 27. In terms of days here, it’s one of the longest camps that the Raiders have had.

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    cool! work’em Cable

  • SnB Defense

    WESTRAIDER Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:50 am
    her are some player picks in napa (garcia looks old as dirt)
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    That’s because he is old. He’s 39 years old. He’s just looking to play it out at this point.

    Perhaps the Raiders should trade him to Minnesota. They seem to like 39 yr old QBs!

    Then we can give Andrew Walter a reason to be in camp and justify his paycheck.

    WHY ON EARTH IS ANDREW WALTER STILL ON THE ROSTER??????

  • WESTRAIDER

    yea its nothin. he dose look big and scott looks like stu. lol

  • OAKlifer

    Thanks for the link WEST!!!!!

  • http://Raiders.com RaiderTW

    fur coat? don’t tell Raider O!
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    Does Palin eat the wolves she shoots from a helicopter?

  • jhill

    It’s all about Javon Walker being healthy. If he’s healthy, he’ll be on the squad, and on the field.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Yes, he can wear what he wants, but the fur needs to go, Imo. It’s a caricature. Hopefully he got that one out of his system.

  • RaiderRockstar

    There are 84 players on the roster going into camp. But still unsigned is wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey, the seventh overall pick in the April NFL Draft.

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    what 4 players will be cut or placed on the PUP list today?

  • SnB Defense

    KoolKell Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:57 am
    Yes, he can wear what he wants, but the fur needs to go, Imo. It’s a caricature. Hopefully he got that one out of his system.
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    He will be judged by his performance on the field. At least he’s not out there trying to be a marketing superstar before he’s accomplished anything on the field…..

    Read: Brady Quinn, Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez

  • SnB Defense

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:58 am
    There are 84 players on the roster going into camp. But still unsigned is wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey, the seventh overall pick in the April NFL Draft.

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    what 4 players will be cut or placed on the PUP list today?
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    Won’t find out until the Raiders are mandated by the league to release their 53 man roster.

    Do the Raiders even have a media/PR guy?

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    That’s true too, SnB

  • OAKlifer

    Read: Brady Quinn, Matt Stafford, Mark Sanchez

    Sanchez is from LA im sure you will see some “fur coat” pics from NY thats a BIG place for a young LA kid with a lot of $$$$$$$ IMHO

  • WESTRAIDER

    b bac late (no fur) ha ha

  • OAKlifer

    Do the Raiders even have a media/PR guy?

    LOL yes Jerry and Us thtas it!!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    Won’t find out until the Raiders are mandated by the league to release their 53 man roster.

    Do the Raiders even have a media/PR guy?

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    False. you can only take 80 players to training camp.

    John Herrerra

  • http://Raiders.com RaiderTW

    LOL yes Jerry and Us thats it!!!
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    I can’t imagine that MR/Dude/Narc0b00b are in the public relations biz! lol

  • RaiderRockstar

    don’t be surprised if O’Neal winds up on the Physically Unable to Perform List along with left guard Robert Gallery (appendectomy) and perhaps wide receiver Arman Shields (year-old knee injury).

    Lorenzo Neal’s arrival takes the hurry out of O’Neal’s return.

    -David White

  • OAKlifer

    hey guys honest question whats the over under and who do you think it is….

    5: over or under Raiders that get on here to read and post stuff????? and who would be the most likely candidate.

    I say under and mostly to read but Mr53 maybe, Kirk maybe, Dmac maybe….but I always see random posts from names I havnt seen in here in the two seasons Ive been here just curious on opinions?? yes even yours Beccnut I know its football related but you can do it!!!

    PLAYOFFBOUND!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    The Raiders must cut three players to get to the 80-man limit, and already did so according to a team source who declined to name names.

    For those thinking backup quarterback Andrew Walter was done, that was news to him. He checked in for camp Tuesday — and yes, they did issue him a room key.

    Raiders coach Tom Cable won’t speak with reporters until noon Wednesday. That’s when the transactions are most likely to become public.

    -David White

  • DirtyRaccoon

    Red right 88

  • SnB Defense

    If Oren O’Neal can go in practice….put him on the active roster and let him develop. This is a great opportunity for him with Lorenzo Neal on the roster.

    If his knee holds up…play him.

    I get wary when the Raiders try to “hide” players on these lists. It didn’t work out for Arman Shields, John Bowie or Michael Bush.

    Michael Bush should have been in the rotation towards the end of 2007. Maybe he performs well enough to change the draft decisions in 2008. But nope…Davis was worried about Denver or K.C claiming Rhodes or LaMont Jordon.

    Now the RAiders have too many running backs and not enough carries.

  • OAKlifer

    RaiderTW Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 11:04 am
    LOL yes Jerry and Us thats it!!!
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    I can’t imagine that MR/Dude/Narc0b00b are in the public relations biz! lol

    **********************************

    My bad I meant US as in a coherint group…not the ramblers……Dakota doubles as a pr guy Double R always on point with the write ups Im tryin to update the bloggers with the twitter world…we do our part!!

    LOL Herrea is a joke at best he hates me and all my smoke potting buddies!!!!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    most likely Raider posting comments on Jerry Mac’s blog?

    tough question OAKlifer. players acknowledge watching SportsCenter and browsing the PFT website all the time. I guess it depends on their opinion of Jerry Mac. They see him. He asks them questions.

    I’ll go with Shane Lechler

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    OAKlifer Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 11:06 am

    hey guys honest question whats the over under and who do you think it is….
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    I would tend to believe players & front office types read and comment on occasion.

  • Al DAVIS HAS COJONES

    If O’niel doesnt get PUP’ed, Lawton gets cut.

  • Al DAVIS HAS COJONES

    Southwick done.

  • OAKlifer

    bydavidwhite~

    No update on DHB, we’ll find out more when coach Tom Cable meets with reporters at noon here in Napa

  • Al DAVIS HAS COJONES

    One of the little WR gets axed

  • beeecham

    Thanks, SnB! It’s my pleasure to amaze.

    I think the premier camp battles are pretty well documented – the 3rd linebacker slot, safety, LT, WR. Possibly the most compelling though would be at DE. What frame of mind is Burgess in? What will Ellis bring? Will Scott rise to the next level or go through a sophomore slump, is Shaughnessy a diamond in the rough? Richardson – boom or bust? And probably most important, will Marshall allow our LBs and corners to blitz (probably not) to take some pressure off our ends?

    Speaking of ends, its highly probably that Krappy is dropping a nice steamy duece out of his directly into a pair of adult diapers at this very moment. Just an fyi.

  • OAKlifer

    Al DAVIS HAS COJONES Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 11:12 am
    Southwick done.

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    This is flase reporting at its best!!!!!!!!!

    Hey Double R where did you get that White Quote from??? The cronhicle??

  • RaiderRockstar

    S&B post # 368

    sounds like you still don’t like the McFadden selection.

    a team built to run the football needs as many talented backs as possible. If DMC becomes a factor back, I mean closer to Adrian Peterson (not Reggie Bush) nobody will regret taking him, despite what other RB’s were on the roster at the time

    -A true fan

  • Al DAVIS HAS COJONES

    Please God, let Andrew Walter and Sam Williams disapear…

  • RaiderRockstar

    Hey Double R where did you get that White Quote from??? The cronhicle??

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    sfgate.com

  • RaiderRockstar

    WR Johnnie Lee Higgins in the house w-th cowboy hat from Ensenada

    - David White (twitter)

    ***

    LOL! JLH is awesome…

  • Al DAVIS HAS COJONES

    per SFGate: Jeff George to be announced as new Raider camp arm.

  • DarthPirate

    DHB needs to get signed asap. He’s hurting himself every second he’s away from the team.

  • OAKlifer

    385 AMEN brother!!!!!!

  • priesttj

    It’s impossible to catch passes that are not thrown to you.

    COW, runs his mouth about the recievers being sorry. But last I checked JLH caught just about everything thrown his way. We had a very young QB getting his feet wet. His confidence was in his TE and the vet WR’s let him down Curry drops, Walker disappears and Lelie just plain sorry. By the time things worked themselves out we had Chaz and JLH beating some of the best corners in the league.

    COW they got open and cught the ball when it was thrown to them. What the hell else do you want ffor an bunch of 2nd and 3rd year players. This team is biulding you numskull they haven’t arrived yet and we all know that so no one expected anymore from them last year.

    This year is different they are all a year older let’s give this thing a chance to develope before start dumping on it.

    Some people don’t have the brains to see past their own dumbass bias’s.

    DMC was injured or he could’ve been a huge difference maker. Had Bush been used properly he would’ve been dominant.

    Anyone with half a brain could see that unless they were too damn bias to except it.

  • OAKlifer

    384 LOL brother!!!

  • RaiderRockstar

    http://twitter.com/jerrymcd

    From my work -

    The site you requested is blocked under the following categories: Dating/Personals

    LOL!

    what kind of tweets is Jerry making on there ???

  • Chris in NY

    382,
    Are you serious about Jeff George. I haven’t seen that anywhere. I think it would make for some damn interesting preseason football though. Why not?

  • SnB Defense

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 11:15 am
    S&B post # 368

    sounds like you still don’t like the McFadden selection.

    a team built to run the football needs as many talented backs as possible. If DMC becomes a factor back, I mean closer to Adrian Peterson (not Reggie Bush) nobody will regret taking him, despite what other RB’s were on the roster at the time

    -A true fan
    =======================================================
    I have no problem with DMAC being selected 4th overall. I do have a problem with the 4th overall selection being utilized like a part-time 4th rounder.

    I still don’t see how you can spread out the carries with 3 running backs that all need a decent amount of carries to be effective. You could make the argument that all 3 backs should get 15 to 20 per gm.

  • OAKlifer

    per SFGate: George Lopez to be announced as new Raider camp arm.

  • http://www.blogcdn.com/www.fanhouse.com/media/2008/04/desmond-howard-425-sm.jpg Bo Schembechler Jackson

    KoolKell Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:42 am
    Haslem is better than Odom.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    At what?

  • OAKlifer

    I have no problem with DMAC being selected 4th overall. I do have a problem with the 4th overall selection being utilized like a part-time 4th rounder.
    *********

    Not my convo but wasnt that b/c he was never at full health????

  • Chris in NY

    Jerry,
    The thing is the Raiders don’t really know whether JaMarcus will be great or not. With a load of talented, under-25 players on offense — McFadden, Bush, JLH, Schilens, DHB, Murphy, Miller — a 39-year-old Jeff Garcia is not the future QB of this team. Hopefully JaMarcus is, but if he’s not capable of being a great NFL QB it wouldn’t hurt to sign a veteran like Vick to be around to at least compete for that spot in 2010. In the meantime, he can rebuild his image and contribute to the offense as a highly explosive specialty player.

  • http://Raiders.com RaiderTW

    From my work -
    The site you requested is blocked under the following categories: Dating/Personals
    —————-
    Same here, RR, when I get home to check it’s not news anymore. Mine says:
    Access Denied (content_filter_denied)

    Your request was denied because of its content categorization: “Social Networking;Blogs/Personal Pages;Blogs/Wiki;Social Networking”

  • OAKlifer

    RaiderTW Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 11:32 am
    From my work -
    The site you requested is blocked under the following categories: Dating/Personals
    —————-
    Same here, RR, when I get home to check it’s not news anymore. Mine says:
    Access Denied (content_filter_denied)

    Your request was denied because of its content categorization: “Social Networking;Blogs/Personal Pages;Blogs/Wiki;Social Networking”

    *****************************8

    Ill keep the AM crew updated !!!! no worries

  • RaiderRockstar

    I have no problem with DMAC being selected 4th overall. I do have a problem with the 4th overall selection being utilized like a part-time 4th rounder.

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    OAKlifer responded first, but yeah. shoulder injury and turf toe on both feet. Cable didn’t have a full offseason. Fargas was the starter at RB with a fresh new contract when Cable inherited the team. DMC was injured and Bush was punished for refusing to play FB

    Davis said Bush will get more carries. McFadden is healthy. Fargas took a paycut.

    what’s not to like or understand here ???

  • RaiderRockstar

    Ill keep the AM crew updated !!!! no worries

    ***

    thanks OAKlifer!

    for a minute there I thought Jerry Mac = McLovin