Notes, quotes
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Wednesday, July 29th, 2009 at 4:21 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Notes and quotes from Tuesday at the Napa Marriott, a day before the Raiders begin practices:
– JaMarcus Russell has not been made available to the media yet _ that would probably be Thursday _ but at least two players, Johnnie Lee Higgins and Zach Miller, did not attend his “passing camp” in Alabama.
Higgins said he was spending time in his family and Miller was on vacation with his fiancee. Both are expressing their confidence in Russell’s maturity and leadership ability.
Cable dodged any questions of whether Jeff Garcia had any legitimate chance of unseating Russell as the starter.
“I think right now in moving forward our starting quarterback is JaMarcus Russell and Jeff is his backup,” Cable said. “How it all plays out and all that, we’re always evaluating this football team. We certainly want to put the best chance on the field to win.”
Cable’s rationale on ditching Lane Kiffin’s Morning-evening-afternoon practice schedule, a with double sessions separated by several hours and always followed by an mid-afternoon practice the next day:
“They need to be in the heat and the sun. It hardens you. They need to go through the struggles of camp and the hard work, kind of the ups and downs with it and learn to help each other through it,” Cable said. “That’s part of building leadership and building a closer camp. Perhaps you can make it through easier by having this and then at night, back in the morning the next day. It’s almost like it’s too soft, it’s too easy.”
OK, then, how come there will be eight “learning intensive” practices with no pads before getting down to the serious business of knocking some heads?
“We’ll do that plenty. One thing I do know about football players and humans in general, if you’re mind’s right, the rest of it kind of fits,” Cable said. “You can go beat the hell out of them all you want, but if they don’t know where to go or how to go there, in a hurry, you’ve got problems.”
– Hard to see the Derrick Burgess saga having a happy ending. Challenging Al Davis is never a good thing. If Burgess is seriously considering sitting out, Davis will have no problem letting him until he either comes back, tail between his legs, or if a legitimate trade offer comes forth. And what is a legitimate trade offer to Davis is often more than the other team is willing to give.
From Burgess’ perspective, it’s no way to begin a salary drive.
– It’s time to set Andrew Walter free. Trade options were explored in the offseason, but it’s tough to get a draft pick when everyone knows he’s going to be cut.
– If the draft picks are going for the likes of Arman Shields and Stryker Sulak, it hardly matters. Hindsight is 20-20, but those were undeniably wasted picks by any standard.
– I’m still of the opinion Darrius Heyward-Bey will be in Napa shortly. At most, he’ll be like Michael Huff, Darrell Russell and Miller _ players who missed maybe a practice or two while details of the contract were being ironed out.
The Raiders track record in signing all their picks is beyond reproach other than the Russell disaster. The fact that Cable said Heyward-Bey is essentially on standby somewhere in the Bay Area is a good sign.
Cable also said there are no issues with Heyward-Bey’s hamstring, which slowed his progress during the mandatory minicamp and OTAs.
– The company line through camp last year was that no one was worried about Lane Kiffin’s relationship with Al Davis. It was a media creation, overblown, taken out of context, etc. Now the story, according to Kirk Morrison, is that it was tough to deal with.
“I think it’s a big weight lifted off our shoulders. Last year going into it, I just think every week there was a question. It wasn’t about who the opponent was, it was more about ‘Is your coach going to be here? What do you guys have to do to keep his job? If you guys don’t win do you think he’s going to be fired, ” Morrison said. “These are the questions that had to be answered on a continuous basis for the first couple of months and all of training camp. That’s just something as players you don’t want to here.
“You just want to keep going and practice, worry about the opponent, worry about stopping the run, worry about completing passes down the field, worry about winning. Now that’s what the basis of our camp is right now is figuring out ways how we are going to win football games. That’s why I’m excited. We haven’t heard any of that other talk. Our main focus is getting the guys together and getting out on the football field and producing as a 53-man roster that can get out on the football field and win games for us.
– Morrison promises the Raiders will do what they haven’t done consistently since he arrived _ stop the run. It will happen through discipline, repetition and gap control.
“We have a mission. Our mission is to stop the run this year.” Morrison said. “What we have to do about that is going from step one, the basics, learning, teaching. I think the guys understand that. Once we go from those basics to putting it out on the field, repping it as many times as possible, so when game time comes we’ll be ready to go.”
– Morrison on the value of continuity: “Same head coach, same year. I’ve been through four head coaches in four years so far. I just hope that this one stays. I think that what he laid out for us so far, it looks like he’s going to be here a long time.”
– Last year’s surprising finish, considering the mostly unwatchable team of the first 10-plus weeks, has Morrison hoping for some momentum.
“We’ve been through it, a lot of guys are still here from last year that were part of that team that went 3-3 over the last six games and saw the improvement that we made,” Morrison said. “We saw what winning felt like and what it tasted like and I think coming off what we did last year, guys are ready to let that thing roll over into this year. We see what we can be. Now it’s just up to us to go out and become everything that people think we aren’t.”
– Cable opened his press briefing by expressing condolences to the Philadelphia Eagles over the death of defensive coordinator Jim Johnson.
“First thing I want to say is this: I want to send out our thoughts and prayers to the Philadelphia Eagles and the family of Jim Johnson,” Cable said.“For all of us in this game, there’s a guy who epitomizes what coaching at this level is all about and has for a long, long time. So it’s important for me to say that.”
Johnson never coached for the Raiders, but interviewed for the job of defensive coordinator on Jon Gruden’s staff in 1998. Gruden wanted to hire Johnson, but Davis opted for Willie Shaw. Shaw did a remarkable job in his first season, but was gone two years later in favor of Chuck Bresnahan.
On the Dan Patrick Show, ex-Raider Warren Sapp said of Johnson, “Al Davis may have said it, but Jim Johnson lived it _ the quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard.”
Johnson’s zone blitzing teams were almost always among the leaders in sacks.
– Lots of issues with the blog because of an aborted server change today, and it may be troublesome tomorrow as well. Check in with my Twitter account for updates if the blog is down . . .
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July 29th, 2009 at 4:37 pm
Go Raiders!!
July 29th, 2009 at 4:54 pm
“Now the story, according to Kirk Morrison, is that it was tough to deal with.”
Err, from your quotes above he said it was tough to deal with the media pressure. People like *YOU* constantly asking him about it was his problem.
Way to twist it up Jerry!
Note: No straw men about rightness or wrongness of the media to ask nor ad hoc attacks please (excluding the trolls, since that’s all they do anyway).
July 29th, 2009 at 4:56 pm
to lazy to read thos article some sum it up plz….7-9
July 29th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
” If the draft picks are going for the likes of Arman Shields and Stryker Sulak, it hardly matters. Hindsight is 20-20, but those were undeniably wasted picks by any standard.”
Jerry McDonald, KoolKell.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
After squatting on McFadden throughout last season — even when the rookie was healthy — Cable sounds ready to put McFadden to good use this season after breaking down the film all summer.
“When you look at us when we used him many ways, not just as a runner, but many ways, we were much, much better offensively,” Cable said. “So, it’s really to expand on that role and make him a key part of what we’re trying to do.”
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It’s pretty obvious that DMac is going to get A LOT of work, as he should. Going to be really interesting to see the Fargas/Bush competition for DMac’s scraps.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
# KoolKell Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
What round was Shields drafted in, that was another wasted pick.
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# Mistabrown Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
3rd I believe
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Wrong again missedabrain. But one day, you might finally get something right. After all, even a blind pig finds a peanut every once in awhile.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
I hope the Raiders learned something with the Shields and Sulak picks.
Save the reaches, injury stories and all that for the UDFA. Use those draft picks on football players that are ready to go on day 1.
Arman Shields was not a Michael Bush type talent that got injured….he was a middling talent from a tiny school with a knee injury. Sulak was destined for the CFL draft..not the NFL draft.
I hope Slade Norris shows something.
As for the rest of this. Just go out and give’m hell. I hope this is the most disciplined and technically sound team in the AFC West. No excuses about gaps and all that. Just execute
July 29th, 2009 at 5:12 pm
# jhill Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 5:10 pm
It’s pretty obvious that DMac is going to get A LOT of work, as he should. Going to be really interesting to see the Fargas/Bush competition for DMac’s scraps.
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I would expect a MUCH larger role for Darren McFadden. And Jamarcus Russell.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:14 pm
Burgess or no Burgess, Cable named newcomer Greg Ellis the starting left defensive end going into camp. The former Cowboys star played linebacker in Dallas’ 3-4 defense but has just as much experience in the Raiders’ 4-3 scheme.
That means Jay Richardson, Trevor Scott and Matt Shaughnessy will duke it out for right end snaps.
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Trevor Scott has got to win that job. Richardson should be backing up LDE .
July 29th, 2009 at 5:16 pm
Well, that’s another, big big one, that Al Davis blew…again. Gruden wanted Jim Johnson to be our defensive coordinator, but since Al runs the team on all levels, Al decided he wanted Willie Shaw and ended up with Chuck “let’s play prevent defense” Bresnahan as his defensive coordinator two years later. Al can sure be a “ditto head” most of the time. He surely was there.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
gotta be honest with you Cancun, Jim Johnson was one of my all time favorite Dcoordinators. Davis not hiring him hurts.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:20 pm
garcia says he doesn’t want to be back-up….
to bad jeff. know your role and shut your mouth.!
July 29th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Regardless, at least in Ellis, we have a 6′6 265 body at LDE instead someone 6′2 260. Thinking about the backup situation a bit more, maybe Shaugnessy should back up Ellis, learn from him, and take over the spot next year. Or heck, maybe he balls and takes it over mid season, or at least eats into Ellis’ snaps. If Scott is about to take over the RDE, then LDE has to be the spot for the rook.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Scott is going to have to improve his run defense for him to be an every down Dlineman. He did well as a situational pass rusher, not well as a run defender.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:26 pm
burgess no-show, you would think he show up bust his ass for a contract.whether here or somewhere else. if we don’t dump him hope he wise up, show up and put together a 15 sack season for us to help the pass rush this year to help the defense…
July 29th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
If we’re talking RDE for T Scott, I think he’ll be just fine. I’m looking for the “athletic” pass rush from that edge moreso than an anchor.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:27 pm
JHill,
I like the idea of Shaughnessy backing up Ellis. I also would like to see Shaughnessy at 275/280 eventually. But sitting behind Ellis should help him. As for T. Scott…I’ll be p@$@! if he is not the starter at RDE…and given the chance to be the every down D-End…
Also, trade Burgess for gawd sakes. Trade him and get a 3rd round pick and be done with it. Should have done the trade at or before the draft….but oh well…Burgess will become a distraction and is not on board with the team.
Get value for him…he’s not going to get 10 sacks and I would rather see Scott play anyway
July 29th, 2009 at 5:29 pm
Oakglenn Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 5:24 pm
Scott is going to have to improve his run defense for him to be an every down Dlineman. He did well as a situational pass rusher, not well as a run defender.
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Scott needs to be developed into an every down DE. Hopefully, Board is teaching him that.
There are too many “situational” players on this team. What is needed is everydown players
July 29th, 2009 at 5:31 pm
I can’t get too crazy about Shields being a wasted pick. He was a 4th rounder with a lot of upside but also an injury. Same with Michael Bush. I’ll take a 50% success rate on boom/bust 4th round picks like that.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:33 pm
I could see the opposing team having an automatic check to a pass play every time Richards lines up at RDE. There will be ZERO pressure from that guy. I just don’t know where he is going to fit in, to be honest. Maybe he’s a 3rd down DT?
July 29th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
i think burgess still has gas in the tank,but i agree cable don’t need distractions with his young football team. too bad though he had some moments where he looked beastie but never got paid thus it went down hill. just wanna see pressure and alot of sacks this year…
July 29th, 2009 at 5:41 pm
Jerry, Jerry, Jerry. So now Gruden wanted Jim Johnson as DC? Where was this story circa 1998? Don’t you remember when Gruden got Shaw he said something like “Holmgren told me to hire the guys that you always struggled running your offense against and Willie Shaw was one of the toughest.” Are you saying Gruden was more impressed by Johnson’s DC responsibilities with the Colts than he was Willie Shaw’s? That’s tough to buy. I know the beach bunny and the rest of the cretons will swallow it, but not me.
>>The company line through camp last year was that no one was worried about Lane Kiffin’s relationship with Al Davis. It was a media creation, overblown, taken out of context, etc>>
Kirk sounded like he was just annoyed by the constant questions from the media…Also, you, among others, kept making up crap that Kiffin wearing Under Armour gear at the Senior Bowl was a statment to Al Davis, when they were contractually obligated to do so(see Mike Nolan’s attire).
July 29th, 2009 at 5:50 pm
Oakglenn, Jim Johnson wasn’t as accomplished as Willie Shaw at that time. That cover2 Willie threw at oppoents worked very well. What happened next seasn wasn’t Willie’s fault it was the players not playing as unit. I loved Willie he was a great man and a great DC. Sometimes things just go sour. Jim Johnson’s defenses haven’t always been stellar they get victimized a lot but they make a lot of great plays. The key in that defense is the FS. Now that Dawkins is gone we’ll see how it works.
Based on what I’m seeing and hearingI can’t wait until the 13th for the dress rehearsal.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:51 pm
I want Burgess traded just like the next guy but it’s easy to say get this or that for him. You need a trade partner and apparently we don’t have one at this time. I wish we could just put him in a (trade) machine and press the 2nd round button and the deal is done but it’s not that simple….But him not showing up coupled with Andrew Walter being told something will happen with him within 48 hours, could hopefully mean that Belicheat will give up Wilfork for them. I’m praying that’s the case.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:53 pm
I wouldn’t just unload Burgess for nothing. Let’s face it, he’s still our best pass rusher. He was lousy in 2008 but is still averaging about 10 sacks per year over the last four seasons. Can’t just throw that away. I’d trade him for Wilfork and maybe even throw in a late round pick to make that deal happen. But I’d rather keep him than deal him for just a 3rd or 4th round pick.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:56 pm
Kirk Morrison says of Defensive Coordinator, John Marshall, that it’s going to be a “bit different” and that he’s excited about the new beginning. I don’t think anyone excited about a new defensive coordinator and the new things to learn and the old to forget.
On the plus side, the old D-coor was Rob Ryan and he accomplished nothing for us. Six years at the bottom on defense. Hopefully, with Marshall it will be a step upwards, with pressure and blitzing, etc. Hopefully Davis allows Marshall to run his system? But, that may be too hard for Davis to do. I’m sure they’ll be some meddling on Davis’ part?
July 29th, 2009 at 5:57 pm
I say we call Burgess’s bluff. He got a GREAT deal(remember Al was ridiculed) when he got here. If he doesn’t like it, sit out the season if we don’t get a good trade offer or play out your contract year.
July 29th, 2009 at 5:59 pm
Hey MR–I mean Beach bunny, why don’t let us know a former coach that wasn’t allowed to ‘run his system’.
July 29th, 2009 at 6:00 pm
Our WRs this year:
Walker, DHB, Shilens, JLH, Murphy and one of the brown nosers who attended the passing camp in Alabama to play special teams.
July 29th, 2009 at 6:02 pm
in the first 5 plays of the game
the quarterback mustgo down and go
down hard….
July 29th, 2009 at 6:03 pm
Yeah SnB
Should have traded Burgess during the draft season.
The Patriots are probably messing with Al Davis’ mind these days.
July 29th, 2009 at 6:06 pm
If Cable is looking at film to devise ways of getting DMac the ball, I hope he’s looking at Razorback film and getting tutorials from Houston Nutt 45min per day.
July 29th, 2009 at 6:08 pm
Why would Ibabuzz.com wait until the first day of Training Camp to change servers?
Something fishy.
July 29th, 2009 at 6:10 pm
SnB Defense says:
Scott needs to be developed into an every down DE. Hopefully, Board is teaching him that.
There are too many “situational” players on this team. What is needed is everydown players
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Exactly. Even the team’s best players are really good at certain things and poor at others. Davis almost never drafts complete players. He prefers freaks, like himself. DHB runs real fast. Mitchell hits real hard. JaMarcus throws real far. C-Bass kicks real far. Are they great football players? Hell no! That’s why the team has so many weaknesses.
July 29th, 2009 at 6:13 pm
KoolKell and his crack pot conspiracy theories.
Your upper lip smells fishy and you probably need your adult diapers changes.
July 29th, 2009 at 6:18 pm
666
Did I bend your nose out of shape?
I guess I hurt your feelings somewhere along the line, no?
July 29th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
No I just needed someone to talk smack to and your the only one here.
July 29th, 2009 at 6:21 pm
I don’t know why I’m stalked by so many posters. My criticism of Al Davis?
July 29th, 2009 at 6:23 pm
Silver-N-Black666 Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 6:20 pm
No I just needed someone to talk smack to and your the only one here.
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Why not a Raider take?
July 29th, 2009 at 6:24 pm
666
You’ve got issues with me, care to get them off your chest?
July 29th, 2009 at 6:26 pm
In response to a suggestion from agent Jim Steiner that “some progress” has been made, an Eagles source told the Philadelphia Inquirer this: “I guess if you go from ridiculous to slightly less ridiculous you can call that real progress.”
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LMFAO!
What is with these WRs?
July 29th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Kirk Morrison says:
“We have a mission. Our mission is to stop the run this year.” Morrison said. “What we have to do about that is going from step one, the basics, learning, teaching. I think the guys understand that. Once we go from those basics to putting it out on the field, repping it as many times as possible, so when game time comes we’ll be ready to go.”
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How refreshing that is. And telling.
If it were just Kirk talking like this, it would be one thing. But, Nnamdi’s been saying the same things.
“Basics” and “from step-one” are not things NFL veterans need to come back to re-learn…they should’ve never even left them behind.
Doesn’t matter how athletic a Defense is…if they’re in the wrong place (or the right place, at the wrong time), the Defense will not have a chance to be competitive.
To go from terrible vs the run, to NFL-average vs the run is NOT that impossible a task. Just ensuring that proper gap-control basics are taught, and followed, will probably improve our Defense’s Yards-Per-Carry average by 0.5-yard or so. Improving any other part of the equation (like tackling, for instance) will make having the right guy in the right place even more valuable…
Defense 101. Whodathunkit.
Not RR.
July 29th, 2009 at 6:43 pm
But then the question arises, why was Ryan the longest tenured coach?
July 29th, 2009 at 6:44 pm
KoolKell I have no issues with you.
July 29th, 2009 at 6:48 pm
666
Fine, I have no issues with you. But feel free to slime me, anytime.
July 29th, 2009 at 6:49 pm
KK — Only one or three KK-haters actually “stalk” you…and they do it because you can’t stay on football — or anything else, for that matter — without lashing-out with name-calling or race-baiting.
When you talk football — especially old-school stuff that the young guys have no real clue about, you make excellent points. When anybody disputes your position, though, you’re one of the worst name-callers in here (ouch!). Name-calling begets name-calling.
And, you call other people hypocrites for “calling names”…because they use phrases such as “any fool can see” in their post. Their usage of “any fool can see” is not calling anyone a name…and it’s certainly not nearly as bad as your use of the term “piece of shyt” when describing them.
So, KK — You asked why people “stalk” you…when you should’ve been asking YOURSELF what inspires people to take their shots.
Just sayin’
July 29th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
KK-why not answer a question once in a while.why was Ryan the longest tenured coach?
July 29th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Because of Al’s properly-placed, yet ill-advised loyalty to the big dufus. RR’s gone, and the new guy Marshall seems to have everybody’s attention. At least the attention of the guys who are ostensibly the team’s leaders.
Oh, how nice it would be to have a guy actually say he’s a leader…and then REALLY be a leader.
July 29th, 2009 at 6:52 pm
Anyone else think Thomas Howard is going to get at least 12 sacks this year?
July 29th, 2009 at 6:54 pm
Ryan was the longest tenured coach because he did exactly what Al told him to do every Sunday.
July 29th, 2009 at 6:55 pm
It would be nice to see the energy of the young guys, like Murphy and MM, take this team by storm…and with all the turmoil out of the way for awhile, a real team identity can actually take form.
July 29th, 2009 at 6:58 pm
Lefty12 Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 6:50 pm
KK-why not answer a question once in a while.why was Ryan the longest tenured coach?
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Because Al Davis says so. That’s the bottom line Lefty. Why did Al Davis say so? you might ask. Because he happily did what Al Davis told him to do. Imo.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
666-i don’t think that is the correct answer,even though many believe that.but i want to hear KKs answer because i’m sure it has to do with the owners incompetence,which he always insinuates.why not just come out and say it KK like MR at least has the ba!!s to do.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:00 pm
HayesDaze
Your problem with me is, I’m an Al Davis critic, and a credible one at that.
Name-caller???? I respond in kind. I treat people the way they treat me.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:03 pm
Lefty
It’s not about ‘balls” on a internet blog. That doesn’t take balls, sir.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
i happen to disagree with you.imo,Ryan lasted so long because Davis often times shows false loyalty to people and RR was under contract.AD likes Buddy and out of that false loyalty he kept his son around,hoping things would improve.RR talked the Raider talk and AD appreciated that,but the last 2 years proved it couldn’t work with RR.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:09 pm
HayesDaze
4 out of 5 posts you’ve made in the last 2 weeks has had my name in them. You’ve questioned my motives, my loyalty, my psychological balance, pitched emotional hissy fits, Then you call ME a name-caller. Why don’t YOU look in the mirror once in awhile?
July 29th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
KK — I am an Al Davis critic. And an Al Davis fan, What you do is ignore whenever an Al fan acknowledges his failures, because then the issue would go on the back burner. You have some sort of pathological NEED to keep that on the front burner…even though we all know the story all too well.
While most people want to go into a year looking FORWARD…you and your cronies (who, unfortunately consist of many of the blog’s trolls) want to revisit the ugly past ALL the time. We get it. Really, we do.
It’s a new year, and a new generation of Raiders players. I’d prefer to imagine them doing great things, rather than spend time remembering the worst football I’ve ever seen managed (yes, I said it), coached, and played on an NFL field.
The new Raiders can be great…no matter how much bitterness old memories bring. Or who brings them.
Go Raiders.
Period.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Lefty12 Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:06 pm
i happen to disagree with you.imo,Ryan lasted so long because Davis often times shows false loyalty to people and RR was under contract.AD likes Buddy and out of that false loyalty he kept his son around,hoping things would improve.RR talked the Raider talk and AD appreciated that,but the last 2 years proved it couldn’t work with RR.
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Alright Lefty!!! was that so hard. To post an opinion of your own???
You may be right about the Buddy thing. Al does hire a lot of NFL lineage.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:12 pm
Dump Burgess and Fargas.
We don’t need them.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:14 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:10 pm
While most people want to go into a year looking FORWARD…you and your cronies (who, unfortunately consist of many of the blog’s trolls)
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So that’s not calling names??????
July 29th, 2009 at 7:15 pm
Repost
HayesDaze
4 out of 5 posts you’ve made in the last 2 weeks has had my name in them. You’ve questioned my motives, my loyalty, my psychological balance, pitched emotional hissy fits, Then you call ME a name-caller. Why don’t YOU look in the mirror once in awhile?
July 29th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
HayesDaze
Why don’t you try one of the Booster Clubs blogs?
July 29th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
Kool, don’t sweat it. Any Raider fan who doesn’t have the sense to bad mouth Al when it’s warranted is no better than a Yankee Tit Sucking ESPN Homer!
There will be those who stand up for Al Davis without question, no matter what he does, because they read that it’s mandatory in the book, “How to be a Raider fan for Dummies.”
July 29th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
The issue most of us have with KoolKell is not that he is an Al Davis critic he just spews the exact same sh** over and over and over again ad nauseum. He has done it for years. And it is always the same answer to different questions. Why has the team not won? Al Davis. Why is Burgess now holding out? Al Davis. Why is Russell going to be a bust?? Al Davis. As I have said, the most simple minds want simple answers. Sometimes answers are not that simple.
As for Rob Ryan, at the end of the 2006 season, I never once, ever, heard anyone criticize Ryan and the Raider defense. In fact I was the only person who thought the defense would take a step back in 2007 (Kiffins first year), because opponents would expect us to score at least some points. Ryan was held here for a variety of reasons. lst, Davis did not want a power struggle where everyone was against him. He wanted someone somewhat loyal. 2ndly, the defense did not play terribly the last few years, the offense played terribly and it put the defense in bad positions. (Yeah, I know, here come all the statistics quoters.) Lastly, with all the coaching turnover, Davis wanted SOME continuity, and that was going to be on the defensive side of the ball, an area Davis has some more input and control.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:20 pm
Oh I made me laugh at the thought.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Oakglenn
Are you Beecham?
July 29th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
KK — Find a post of mine where I called you names (other than hypocrite). And, 4-out-of-5 of my posts do not have your name in them, KK. Just enough of them to give you an excuse to live, I guess. I even stay out of the way when your “stalkers” come at you…because I know the vitriol and hatred is sure to fly.
So…stop telling us all how “credible” you are…and actually try to be credible, by weighing ALL (or at least MORE) facts before setting your position in stone. That’s what credible people do…they do not look at their position only, ignoring other historical facts or statistics, and then shut-off all other outside commentary.
KK — Do you like Glenn Beck? Do you think he’s credible? Hate to break it to you, but…you and Glenn Beck use the same exact tactics in your “debate” styles. As in: “You don’t agree with me?? Well, you MUST be an idiot and a racist!”
KK and GB. Peas in a pod.
People don’t stalk you, KK — they give you what you ask for. All the time.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Oakglenn King of the Trolls?
July 29th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
KK,i know how you can’t stand AD.i have problems with him also.i’ll never forgive him for moving,at the time,the most successful franchise in the league(attendance and on the field wise),but unlike you and some others,i don’t ignore the success he has had over the years and focus on the last 6.everyone looks at the whiners as a great org. but seems to dismiss the fact they haven’t won squat for over 10 years and before the 1980’s they were one of the leagues doormats-every friggin year.you hate AD’s draft choices,but if you look at the big picture,he hasn’t drafted any worse than anyone else.maybe the man hasn’t done as well the last 6 years as he did in the past,but the hate you show towards him is imo,unjustified.besides,he just turned 80.do you really believe he runs the ship with the iron hand like he used too?i think he delegates more than most think and possibly that is the problem.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
Oakglenn Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:19 pm
The issue most of us have with KoolKell is not that he is an Al Davis critic he just spews the exact same sh** over and over and over again ad nauseum. He has done it for years. And it is always the same answer to different questions. Why has the team not won? Al Davis.
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When the Coaches & Players change every year, who else is there to blame???????????????
July 29th, 2009 at 7:24 pm
I’ve read this blog daily for years and have posted a few times. And post 58 has my sentiments exactly. Well said HayesDaze37.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:25 pm
If you guys have a problem with me, present yourselves. No need to hide in the bushes and take potshots.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
HayesDaze37 Says:
While most people want to go into a year looking FORWARD…you and your cronies (who, unfortunately consist of many of the blog’s trolls)
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So that’s not calling names??????
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Did I call you a name in there, KK?
NO.
I pointed out that the blog’s known trolls tend to jump on your bandwagon. Precisely because you ARE NOT credible…and trolls don’t worry about credibility, they worry about disruption.
I gotta run for awhile. I know what I said won’t matter (except to fire you up)…and I fully expect a few quite-familiar cut n’ pastes to be put up before I come back. I know you can’t help yourself. If you take a few shots at me while I’m away, go for it. Call me names even, I’m used to it by now!
What a great Summer to be a Raiders fan! Isn’t it!?
July 29th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Oakglenn
Are you Beecham?
You’re nasty enough and well spoken enough to be him. Plus, I know you hate me.
Why not just challenge my arguments?
July 29th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
# KoolKell Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
Oakglenn
Are you Beecham?
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No.
# KoolKell Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:22 pm
Oakglenn King of the Trolls?
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No. In fact I was the probably the victim of King of the Trolls more than anyone. Keep asking tho.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:30 pm
Oakglenn King of the Trolls, remember?
Are you Beecham?
You’re nasty enough and well spoken enough to be him. Plus, I know you hate me.
Why not just challenge my arguments?
July 29th, 2009 at 7:31 pm
Oakglenn
Who else should I blame for the Raiders Troubles over the last 20 yrs?
July 29th, 2009 at 7:32 pm
Post 58 – well said HD37. Count me in. It’s easy to sit back and predict failure, because in the end…every team fails except for one. Winning is harder to do than lose. So it’s a sound strategy to predict failure and losing if your goal is to make yourself look smart or superior.
I just like Raider football…Al Davis style.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
I put my opinions and srguments out there, based on 45 years of watching the Raiders AND Statistics to back those arguments up.
And all I get is people coming out of the weeds with personal attacks.
Why not just challenge my arguments, Oakglenn, etal?
July 29th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
KoolKell Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:36 pm
I put my opinions and srguments out there, based on 45 years of watching the Raiders AND Statistics to back those arguments up.
And all I get is people coming out of the weeds with personal attacks.
Why not just challenge my arguments, Oakglenn, etal?
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Because when they do…you just call them names and start the argument over again.
I’ve seen you do it numerous times.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Football talk anyone?
Help me out here. Who plays Lofa Tatupu in our defense? Is it Morrison or Howard? Whoever it is will have a huge year and make pro bowl.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
KK — Arguing with a guy who uses phrases like “matriculating in my brain” is really nearly pointless. Matriculating has nothing to do with what’s going on your brain…unless you’re just imagining going to university or something, and not really doing it.
You think using terms like “your cronies” is calling names…and yet you use words like “matriculating” without even knowing what they mean.
Instead of challenging people to challenge your arguments, you should challenge yourself to understand the words in each argument…so maybe you can even understand what YOU’RE trying to say. Because you confuse everybody when you try so hard.
There…now, I’ll take off for awhile.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
# KoolKell Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Oakglenn
Are you Beecham?
You’re nasty enough and well spoken enough to be him. Plus, I know you hate me.
Why not just challenge my arguments?
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That’s what I find amusing. I don’t hate you at all. I also find it amusing that you think some of the other posters are me. Especially now that we have gone to a registered system. That’s called paranoia. When I do not refute that, it fuels your paranoia, which again, I find amusing. But honestly I do not hate you, nor stalk you. In fact, you have done MUCH MUCH more name calling to me out of that paranoia, and I have let it go. Completely.
As for your arguments, basically, you state a very simple argument that is tough to argue against. MR does the exact same thing. Here, let me use an example: Is the CEO of General Motors responsible for the current dismal state of that company?? Well the simple answer is yes. Absolutley. Can’t really argue against that. But the reality might be that a confluence of factors both domestic and abroad have led to GM’s demise, and it did not matter WHO the CEO was, that company was going down in the current climate. Let me use another example. Was the captain of the Titanic responsible for it’s sinking?? Sure. He is the captain, and he paid with his life. But, he was not piloting the ship, he was not the one who dismissed the radio calls about icebergs, he was not the company who installed faulty bolts that ended up shearing and causing the holds to fill with water. So, what I am saying is, sometimes it’s not just a simple two word answer.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Because when they do…you just call them names and start the argument over again.
I’ve seen you do it numerous times.
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I challenge you to find a post today where I called anyone a name. ticking……….
July 29th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
Does Tatupu play the middle?
July 29th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 6:38 pm
Kirk Morrison says:
“We have a mission. Our mission is to stop the run this year.” Morrison said. “What we have to do about that is going from step one, the basics, learning, teaching. I think the guys understand that. Once we go from those basics to putting it out on the field, repping it as many times as possible, so when game time comes we’ll be ready to go.”
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How refreshing that is. And telling.
If it were just Kirk talking like this, it would be one thing. But, Nnamdi’s been saying the same things.
“Basics” and “from step-one” are not things NFL veterans need to come back to re-learn…they should’ve never even left them behind.
Doesn’t matter how athletic a Defense is…if they’re in the wrong place (or the right place, at the wrong time), the Defense will not have a chance to be competitive.
To go from terrible vs the run, to NFL-average vs the run is NOT that impossible a task. Just ensuring that proper gap-control basics are taught, and followed, will probably improve our Defense’s Yards-Per-Carry average by 0.5-yard or so. Improving any other part of the equation (like tackling, for instance) will make having the right guy in the right place even more valuable…
Defense 101. Whodathunkit.
Not RR.
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Jeez, so why aren’t YOU the DC?
You would think… fundamentals!!?? IT IS SUCH A SIMPLE ANSWER… YES! THAT IS THE KEY THE RAIDERS HAVE BEEN MISSING!!
A COACH WHO CAN TEACH THESE GUYS WHAT THEY ARE GETTING PAID MILLIONS OF DOLLARS TO KNOW WHEN THEY COME OUT OF COLLEGE
Well…
What was Rob Ryan teaching then?
And you are crazy if you think Marshall is any different.. Than Rob Ryan..
The only difference between Rob ryan and Jim Marshall is Rob Ryan was a 3-4 guy forced to play Al’s style of D which is to “put superior athletes in isolations to outperform the guy in front of him”.. The difference is Marshall is a 4-3 guy.. Except… you will see more of the same.. One on One, seldom blitzing and vanilla pressure D that Rob Ryan ran.
HOPEFULLY they will not go to soft zone when they have only a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter like they have oh the last 7 years..
Although that wouldnt surprise me one bit.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:47 pm
Never thought I would live 2 see the day when a Raider player says we were 3-3 down the stretch and be excited , man how we have fallen. Yet like every year I will believe this is our year we can turn it around.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DMAC/BUSH MITCHELL/BRANCH
July 29th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
# 504 Raider Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:43 pm
Football talk anyone?
Help me out here. Who plays Lofa Tatupu in our defense? Is it Morrison or Howard? Whoever it is will have a huge year and make pro bowl.
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Morrison would be the one who would play the Mike position currently played by Tatupu in Marshalls scheme. Jim Marshall no doubt, will tweak his system to fit the personnel he has here. Tatupu is a rare inside talent, who has great athleticism, is smart, fast, and has a nose for the ball. Honestly, guys like that are born that way, not coached that way.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:51 pm
Murphy!
July 29th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Oakglenn
#1. You say I’m paranoid, yet I am stalked every day. And, have had lots of run-ins with YOU.
#2. Any Sports GM, or Business CEO who’ve produced a mediocre at best record of production over a 20 year span obviously includes the vicissitudes of life.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
I too have been a fan for over 40 years and I don’t want to argue period. I want to wish my team success! I’ll post this thought again. 6 years ago we were the oldest team in the league. They called us the Grey and Black. We’ve had 6 dreadful seasons since. IMO Al is building a young and talented team that has the chance to contend and be competative this year. This was really the first time Al has put together a team from the ground up. He always grabbed the has beens & patched in players he thought would help us win now. It worked pretty well for decades. It may have taken longer than it should have. But I think we are being built to be dominant for many years.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
I’m telling ya, top 20 run D, #1 Pass D!
9-7! Drink it cause it tastes good
July 29th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
So, the common thread between Oakglenn and HayseDaze is that I criticize Al Davis. That’s my unforgivable sin. So be it.
My history with the Raiders and my Sundays, Mondays,and Tuesdays are too important to me to take the losing with a smile.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
# Oakglenn Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:44 pm
# KoolKell Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Oakglenn
Are you Beecham?
You’re nasty enough and well spoken enough to be him. Plus, I know you hate me.
Why not just challenge my arguments?
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That’s what I find amusing. I don’t hate you at all. I also find it amusing that you think some of the other posters are me. Especially now that we have gone to a registered system. That’s called paranoia. When I do not refute that, it fuels your paranoia, which again, I find amusing. But honestly I do not hate you, nor stalk you. In fact, you have done MUCH MUCH more name calling to me out of that paranoia, and I have let it go. Completely.
As for your arguments, basically, you state a very simple argument that is tough to argue against. MR does the exact same thing. Here, let me use an example: Is the CEO of General Motors responsible for the current dismal state of that company?? Well the simple answer is yes. Absolutley. Can’t really argue against that. But the reality might be that a confluence of factors both domestic and abroad have led to GM’s demise, and it did not matter WHO the CEO was, that company was going down in the current climate. Let me use another example. Was the captain of the Titanic responsible for it’s sinking?? Sure. He is the captain, and he paid with his life. But, he was not piloting the ship, he was not the one who dismissed the radio calls about icebergs, he was not the company who installed faulty bolts that ended up shearing and causing the holds to fill with water. So, what I am saying is, sometimes it’s not just a simple two word answer.
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So you have used 2 talking points to deflect blame from Al Davis…
One of them was an operation about 100 times the size of a football organization and has a management tree 1,000 times broader than the Oakland Raiders.
then you follow up the argument with a ship that sunk in the 1910’s partially due to the lack of technology. The only thing Al Davis has in common with the Titanic is they are both antiquated.
Bad argument.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
LTR
I pray to god you’re right.
July 29th, 2009 at 7:59 pm
Hello fellow Raider fans. Damn it feels good that football is starting again!! Best time of the year if you ask me.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
You said it LTR!
Your gonna get Al bashed in here for that though, LOL. But, I agree 99.9%. AD is getting a little old.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
….though.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
I love our corners but I find it hard to believe the Pass D will be number 1 with the subpar safties and lack of pass rush we have.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
# KoolKell Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Oakglenn
#1. You say I’m paranoid, yet I am stalked every day. And, have had lots of run-ins with YOU.
#2. Any Sports GM, or Business CEO who’ve produced a mediocre at best record of production over a 20 year span obviously includes the vicissitudes of life.
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Notice one last thing. Right now, there are only two posters on this site that I have continual run ins with. Two. Everyone else I am fine with. And both of them started it with me, and both of them continue to start up with me. Look at Dud last nite: He was the one who started with me, and he ended up in a demented nonsensical racial tirade. I never START name calling or personal attacks with ANYONE. They start first. Notice that sometime.
What does your statement #2 mean?? And I know what the word vicissitude means.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Teabag Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
So you have used 2 talking points to deflect blame from Al Davis…
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No. I am not deflecting blame from Al Davis at all. I am using both arguments as illustrations ABOUT arguments. You have extrapolated and then surmised it was about Davis. I wasn’t talking about Davis at all. I was talking about arguements. Read it again.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Teabag,more than one player has said Marshall is teaching more than Ryan ever did.i’ve also heard many current and ex players say they are amazed that once you reach the pro level,the lack of teaching provided by pro teams.as all things in life,the longer you do something the more you know it.unfortunately,many coaches seem to think like you-that just because someone comes out of college they don’t need to be taught things any longer,and that just isn’t true.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
# Stanley Roper Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 8:02 pm
I love our corners but I find it hard to believe the Pass D will be number 1 with the subpar safties and lack of pass rush we have.
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Our pass rush last year was adequate. Certainly top third of the league and that was with Burgess (arguably our best pass rusher) out most of the season. Adding Greg Ellis will certainly help. You bring up our safety play, and that is exactly right. Notice playoff teams have at least one EXCELLENT safety. We don’t. Yet.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
I would like to weigh in on the Al Davis discussion if I may. Al has done many freat things for the NFL and the Raiders but I really feel he should take a step back and let a football guy run the show. Theres no shame in getting old, we all do it. I think age has just really taken its toll on his mental faculties the last 5 or so years. I personally have been embarrased on more than one occasion lately because of the way he has been going about his business. There comes a time in everyones life when they just get too old to do their job and I think its obvious Al has reached that point.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Lots of variables to winning any year. Not just who you play, but when you play them. Injuires, ours and theirs, weather, the refs, the bye, the over time coin toss, just the bounce of the ball. The schedule is huge. We play tough teams this year, but the schedule is favorable IMO. We may have a better chance this year because they don’t see us coming. That’s why they play the games.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
# lefty12 Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
Teabag,more than one player has said Marshall is teaching more than Ryan ever did.i’ve also heard many current and ex players say they are amazed that once you reach the pro level,the lack of teaching provided by pro teams.as all things in life,the longer you do something the more you know it.unfortunately,many coaches seem to think like you-that just because someone comes out of college they don’t need to be taught things any longer,and that just isn’t true.
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You can never put stock into what these players are saying. It’s just not something you can take for face value.
Ask any Seattle fan.. Marshall ran a very frustating defense to watch. And mind you, he had MUCH better personnel in Seattle. But the one thing you have to take note of is this.
The best defensive game we played all year last year was in Denver. We blitzed, Ryan mixed up the schemes and looks he gave. He let Howard sell out. It worked. And it worked great.
But why did they get away from that? What entity causes our defense to NOT send packages to a fault? We have NO exotic pressures. It’s Al Davis philosophy at work…
The reason Marshall was brought in is because his philosophy is more of the same… Use the front 4 to generate pressure. Rarely using stunts and twists. Vanilla, Vanilla, and more Vanilla.
We can’t expect them to get pressure, because they never have. And you aren’t selling me that “coaching” is going to fix the issue.. I have heard it MORE than once over the past few seasons.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
I agree with 105 and I’m an Al homer by some standards.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
If you recall most of the games last year, defensively it makes sense what Nnamdi and the guys are saying. Remember Ryan’s big thing was we have great players and I am trying to put them into positions to make plays. That was always his answer to gap discipline questions.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
One thing that some of you Al haters are really going to hate is in the Gruden era, he was much more hands off. He let Gruden, Allen and Lombardi mind the store much more than he ever had before. They then drove it off a cliff. And if you don’t believe me, look at the present state of Tampon Bay. It is almost identical. The last two+ drafts have Davis’ fingerprints ALL OVER THEM. Just saying.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
I personally thought Gruden and Co. were a breathe of fresh air and brought alot of fun and excitement back to Raiderland. Otherwise who knows how long this drought would be right now. Alot of players came here because of Gruden. I.E. Gannon, Garner, Woodson.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
# Oakglenn Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
One thing that some of you Al haters are really going to hate is in the Gruden era, he was much more hands off. He let Gruden, Allen and Lombardi mind the store much more than he ever had before. They then drove it off a cliff. And if you don’t believe me, look at the present state of Tampon Bay. It is almost identical. The last two+ drafts have Davis’ fingerprints ALL OVER THEM. Just saying.
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The last 2 drafts of picks have proved not much so the jury is still out.
But Gruden wasnt the best draft mind. He was, however, a great coach. And Al couldn’t deal with something worked that he did not have his blueprint on.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Stanley we all did.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
#112 is exactly right. I am sure Gruden was offered offensive coordinator positions in the offseason, which he turned down. Gruden wants to have complete control. Davis likes to have a lot of control as well. Not a match made in heaven for sure.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
Oakglenn Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
Stanley we all did.
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Who are you speaking for?
July 29th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
Oakglenn Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
One thing that some of you Al haters are really going to hate is in the Gruden era,
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You want to characterize legitimate criticism to “Haters”. As to de-legitimize any counter arguments.
Then as a “Hater”, that person obviously deserves to be stalked, right?
July 29th, 2009 at 8:32 pm
I’ll be shocked and disappointed if we don’t blitz more with great success. RR always seemed to play soft at the end of the close games, even when pressure had been working. Meangelo always playing 10 yards off made it too easy also.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:45 pm
dmcfadden20Had too many messages to reply to 1by1…but I’m 100% percent goin into camp n lovin coach cable style. Thanks for tha good luck wishes
July 29th, 2009 at 8:46 pm
Whats Up Nation!!! Let the football begin. Here is a breakdown of what I saw last year regarding the Raiders biggest factor in 2009…the man JaMarcus Russell. Or skip this and read all the other mindless drivel on here.
Wk 1 Den – Hard to judge JRuss in this drubbing by Denver. The defense gave him no chance. He racked up some numbers near the end, but really blew a huge opportunity by fumbling on the opening drive, the start of a disturbing trend. C-
Wk 2 @KC – Didn’t have to do much with DMac/Bush racking up 300 yards on the ground, but a nice first road win in KC. C
Wk 3 @Buf – Nice first half (TD run), but the Tenn B*tch rarely gave him a chance in the 2nd. Had another costly fumble that led to a Buf TD, but did make the huge 84 yard play to JLH that should have won the game. Good job D. C
Wk 4 SD – Best half of football by JRuss to date included a beautiful bomb to Miller. 2nd half woes continue…another fumble, bad luck pick on screen. First time QB looks rattled. C
Wk 5 @NO – Bad loss, Bad D and Bad JRuss. I’m starting to worry a bit. D-
Wk 6 NYJ – Best game to date for young QB. Out plays Favre and does what he needs to win game. Not perfect, but a solid consistent performance. Bad luck (Miller TD wiped out, fumble in Q4…Tuck Rule anyone?) and had some rough OT moments, but hung in there to make plays on final drive. Watch the TD to Walker…beautiful play on the run. Big time potential. B+
Wk 7 @Balt – Very tough game for JRuss and S&B, but I thought youngster showed some grit. Was under attack all game, but made a few plays (Miller throws, Chaz bomb). Ravens D way too much. I truly believe if JRuss was in Flacco’s position in Balt the results would have been very similar. C
Wk 8 Atl – Shades of 2006…wow just pathetic. Entire team plus JR really tanked this game. F
Wk 9 Car – Walter fans get a chance to watch their boy…cut him, never understood the Nation’s love affair with Andrew.
Wk 10 @Mia – When JRuss left game in 1st half with injury I really started to doubt. BUST pops into head for 1st time. But the man comes back and shows a lil something. Hits his passes and helps keep S&B in game until the end. Not brilliant by any means, but he came back and gave a game effort…the education of a QB continues. C+
Wk 11 @Den – Best game to date. Didn’t throw a lot but was almost perfect when he did. Bomb to Lelie…TD dart to Lelie in endzone beautiful stuff. A
Wk 12 KC – Oh to be young and inconsistent. Perfect last week and horribly inaccurate against KC. Lessons need to be learned by all. Bring it every week JRuss. Also try not to get the WR killed please. D+
Wk 13 @SD – Another stinker…fumbles, picks. Chargers destroy S&B again. F
Wk 14 NE – Moss returns and Raiders D never shows up again. JRuss keeps up the battle though and puts some points on the board in the end. Bad loss, but it could have been much worse. C-
Wk 15 Hou – JRuss finally starts out fast and plays one of the most complete games of his career. Watch JRuss when he is clicking and he makes all the throws. He just needs consistency. He CAN get there. A-
Wk 16 @TB – QB starts off strong again and after throwing a bad pick and stalling in the 2nd, makes the plays he needs to help win the game. Watch him chase down the pick he throws…nice hustle big fella. B
JaMarcus in ‘08 – A lot of average performances with some total failures mixed in with some A games. Pretty much what you expect from 1st year QB. He has the tools and man when he is on it is sweet to watch. I’m a believer and think he takes the next step this year. People who think he is a bust are just plain impatient, bitter or retarded. Give the man some time to grow.
One Nation Baby!!!
July 29th, 2009 at 8:47 pm
Tight end Zach Miller is a fan of the different demeanor Cable brings to camp. “I think he brings the right attitude, kind of an old school feel where we’re going to out-work other teams and we’re going to make sure that we grind it out.”
July 29th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
Nice post Raidervill
July 29th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Great, balanced, well-reasoned post Raidervill.
I agree with your game-by-game assessment and your summary.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:54 pm
Millers quote is bout the same thing the players were saying when Kiffin came in, when Shell came in, when Turner came in…… Not sure how much their is to take from these type of comments.
July 29th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
One things for sure, if Russell does end up being a bust, which im not saying he will or wont, this team is in deep do do.
July 29th, 2009 at 9:01 pm
Stanley Roper Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
One things for sure, if Russell does end up being a bust, which im not saying he will or wont, this team is in deep do do.
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Yes, the franchise would be in big trouble. But that’s not going to happen. Raidervill’s well written post illustrates a 1st yr QB who had ups and downs and showed enough to have confidence going into the 2nd yr.
If the Raiders were to mess up with Russell, Huff, DMAC etc….you could expect some Eli Manning, John Elway type boycotts from future 1st round picks.
July 29th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
The jury is out, lets hope it comes out with a verdict of innocent on the charge of bustery.
July 29th, 2009 at 9:22 pm
I love this blog!
I think I like Cable. He seems a pretty straight shooting kinda guy, and looks like he might turn over a table or two to get his point across…
GO RAIDERS!
July 29th, 2009 at 9:31 pm
Teabag Says:
The best defensive game we played all year last year was in Denver. We blitzed, Ryan mixed up the schemes and looks he gave. He let Howard sell out. It worked. And it worked great.
But why did they get away from that? What entity causes our defense to NOT send packages to a fault? We have NO exotic pressures. It’s Al Davis philosophy at work…
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This is just total nonsense. Not a little nonsense…total, unmitigated nonsense.
Al Davis’ ONLY philosophy is to win. Just Win. Just Win, Baby.
Nobody in their right mind can think that Al saw a great Defensive effort — a HUGE emotional win against his biggest arch-rival — and then insist his DC go back to playing predictable/loser football? That’s not even logical.
If RR could’ve put together ANY semblance of an organized unit on the field, he would’ve been able to run “Al’s philosophy” and WON the battles on the field.
It’s Marshall’s chance to do that very thing with THIS team and THESE players and HIS schemes and HIS ball$ in the vice to produce…with Al’s philosophy.
Just Win, Baby.
July 29th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Also…trying to figure out why anybody would use the moniker “teabag?”
July 29th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Al sure hasnt been “Just winning Baby” lately. I think even the die hard Al guy would find his recent history of decisions extremely questionable.
July 29th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
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July 29th, 2009 at 10:03 pm
We don’t need Burgess. Better he holds out than one of our few D Tackles.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
# Stanley Roper Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
One things for sure, if Russell does end up being a bust, which im not saying he will or wont, this team is in deep do do.
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Well, clearly yes. Any overall number draft choice that does not pan out is going to REALLY hurt a franchise. The problem I see is people are comparing Jamarcus to Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan, which are not apt comparisons. Flacco’s Ravens team was a 13 win team two years before Flacco. Ryans Falcons were a 12 win team a couple of years before that. You have to compare overall number ones, to overall number ones. That list in the last ten years includes Tim Couch, David Carr, Michael Vick, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer and the most apt comparison, Alex Smith. Manning and Palmer are both solid players, but I will stick with Jamarcus for the time being thank you.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:07 pm
Stanley Roper Says:
Al sure hasnt been “Just winning Baby” lately. I think even the die hard Al guy would find his recent history of decisions extremely questionable.
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Yawn…Die-hard Al guys DO find it at best questionable, and know it’s worse that that even. We all see the W-L column.
Al’s record sucks lately. Acknowledged. But what is “recent?” What’s the cut-off? Last 6-yrs? 20-yrs? No cut-off date?
How about what has happened THIS year…right now…in THIS camp and with THESE guys?
Seems to me the current vibe is better than I’ve seen it in a looong time…like pre-Gruden, even. And I’ve been around for ALL of the Al Davis Raiders’ ups and downs.
No matter what we feel about it, Al owns the team, and he can do whatever he wants with it. Some of us are OK with that…especially since there’s nothing to do about it. But, it’s a non-argument that gets beat on all the time anyway.
Not every move Al makes is platinum…but it seems like even he has learned a few lessons “recently” — which is the major complaint against him.
Let’s all acknowledge all these things and move on to THIS SEASON.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Well, here you are wrong again Pokeglenn. And here I am to correct you just like after the NYG SB.
The last time Atlanta won 12 games or more was 1998 they 14-2. A couple years back????
# Oakglenn Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Ryans Falcons were a 12 win team a couple of years before that.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
Teabag Says:
The best defensive game we played all year last year was in Denver.
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I don’t know, I thought when we held KC to 0 points thru 55 minutes of a 60 minute game in their yard we did pretty good. Or how’s about the next week when we held Buffalo to 7 points into the 4th quarter. Let’s not forget holding Farve and the Jets to 13 total points even tho the game went to OT. Carolina (12-5) got 17 on us, but the defense got 4 picks in THAT GAME, and the offense did nothing with them. That was pretty good since Carolina was 6-2 at the time and coming off their bye. The Miami game the next week was pretty good too. We gave up 14 thru 3 quarters, 17 total, the defense scored a safety in that game so actually the defense gave up 15 net, And still lost. Next game the Denver game you speak of. Certainly a good game. I could keep going…
July 29th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
I dont see how someone could say they would take Jamarcus over Eli Manning or Carson Palmer. Seems to me that those guys are both established QBs in the NFL and Russell still has alot to prove. Odd.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:19 pm
Teabag,you say to ask any Seattle fan.why?an i supposed to believe them and not what any players say?i say Nnamdi interviewed.i read an interview with Morrison.both said the difference between Ryan and Marshall is Marshall concentrates more on teaching and being better fundamentally.you can choose to ignore that,but i happen to believe them,and as a fan hope they are correct which will make the team i root for better.don’t we all hope for that?
July 29th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
i saw Nnamdi interviewed.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 10:13 pm
Well, here you are wrong again Pokeglenn. And here I am to correct you just like after the NYG SB.
The last time Atlanta won 12 games or more was 1998 they 14-2. A couple years back????
# Oakglenn Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 10:06 pm
Ryans Falcons were a 12 win team a couple of years before that.
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Actually, Atlanta was a 12 win team in 2004, they won the wild card that year, as an 11-5 team, beat the Rams in a playoff game, and then lost in the conference championship to McNabb and the Eagles. So they won 12 games that year. Wrong again. But keep trying little man. As I posted earlier, maybe you will be right once. Even a blind pig finds a peanut every once in awhile.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:22 pm
P0keglenn, I took a guess & said 3rd round it was 2.5 years ago and I was off by 1 round. Thats why I said “3rd round I believe”. In other words “NOT SURE” but here’s my guess.
Give yourself a big pat on the back. I know your a little chapped after propping up Shields for 2 years & now you are left scrolling through a blog to make your pitiful self feel better.
# Oakglenn Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
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# Mistabrown Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
3rd I believe
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Wrong again missedabrain. But one day, you might finally get something right. After all, even a blind pig finds a peanut every once in awhile.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
# Stanley Roper Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
I dont see how someone could say they would take Jamarcus over Eli Manning or Carson Palmer. Seems to me that those guys are both established QBs in the NFL and Russell still has alot to prove. Odd.
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Actually what is odd is someone who wants to compare a one year starter to someone who has been in the league for five or six years. Carson Palmer has had that many years as a starter. Jamarcus has had one, and the season was marred by coaching changes and complete upheaval. Before winning the Super Bowl that year, NY Giant fan wanted to run Eli Manning out of Grand Central Station covered in tar and feathers. Know your history my friend.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
In 2004 Atlanta went 11-5, now you want to include playoff wins in the reg season. You might be the most ridiculous troll ever to blog.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
In 2004 Atlanta went 11-5, now you want to include playoff wins in the reg season. You might be the most ridiculous troll ever to blog.
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I said the Falcons were a 12 win team. Last time I looked playoff wins count. Unless you are a Grade A absolute moron. Oh right, you are.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Only an idiot would want Russell over those guys but you have to remember in Pokeglenns feeble mind Russell is a “bonafide” NFL Qb.
# Stanley Roper Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 10:17 pm
I dont see how someone could say they would take Jamarcus over Eli Manning or Carson Palmer. Seems to me that those guys are both established QBs in the NFL and Russell still has alot to prove. Odd.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Actually it was Coughlin they wanted to run out of town. Eli was catching some heat but most of it was aimed @ the coach.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:29 pm
Mistabrown Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Only an idiot would want Russell over those guys but you have to remember in Pokeglenns feeble mind Russell is a “bonafide” NFL Qb.
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missedabrain you don’t even know what a defense is. You cannot count to 12, you are humiliated in here every time you come here, you want some more??? you just humiliated yourself again.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 10:27 pm
Actually it was Coughlin they wanted to run out of town. Eli was catching some heat but most of it was aimed @ the coach.
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Actually my family has had NY Giants season tickets going back over 50 years. Once again, you do not know what you are talking about.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:31 pm
Pokeglenn has talked stupidly about the Oakland Raiders, again!
Sincerely
B@rback 0b@ma
July 29th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
So, now you are wrong about the Falcons, wrong about the Giants and as I wrote earlier you are comparing guys with 5,6,7 years in the league to a guy with one year in the league, where WE ALL KNOW, QB is a position that takes time to develop. Wanna keep going???
“It’s the trifector baaaaabbbyyyy!!” Dick Vitale
July 29th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
missedabrain, now you are just talking nonsense. Pretty soon you are going to go Dud or maddenraider on us and have a Chernobyl type meltdown. Is there any rudimentary type stuff you can discuss. Like, how to open a can of coke, or maybe how to jump rope??
July 29th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
Your family has NYG seas tix?
Whats your point?
Why do I care?
And you still didnt know they blitzed the pants off NE in the SB. Your family must be embarrassed by you Pokeglenn,
July 29th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Grant Napar(?) of khtk radio in Sac. is a NYG fan.i clearly remember him questioning Eli and saying how Giant fans were ready to run him,the coach,and the GM out of town because of the Eli trade.
BTW,didn’t Oak say the Falcons were a 12 win team in 2004?didn’t they win 12 games that year?
sorry for butting in!!!!
July 29th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Pokeglenn did your cat give you the cold shoulder again ?
July 29th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
Missedabrain-”we must support the military. I hate anything that is publicly owned.”
July 29th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
The only established QB that should even be thought of as a replacement for JaMarcus right now…is an established STAR QB, not a journeyman.
I’ll give Eli Manning all the respect in the world for his Super Bowl win, on a team loaded with talent and coaching, but I wouldn’t trade him for JaMarcus right now.
Palmer could take this Raiders team a long way…and he’d win the job from JaMarcus right now. But, I think JaMarcus has all the physical tools that Palmer has, and then some, and he can surpass Palmer as a pro if he’s got the head for it.
The worst case scenario for us is for something to happen to JaMarcus this year that would stunt his development. He should have a pretty good year, and if he does, his team should be a pretty good team.
Jeff Garcia would be a safe bus driver for awhile, but nothing special will likely come from it. If the Raiders need a real talent, for a short run, halfway through the year…until JaMarcus is ready to go…
…Brett Favre’s phone number will be handy.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
missedabrain, you are beneath me. I do not wish to engage you in stupid banter. I don’t have time for you. And BTW, my cat is much, much much smarter than you. And I will wager any amount of money that can be proven.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
No Atlanta went 11-5 in the reg season. In the post season they went 1-1.
You’re welcome to butt in.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
Thank you HD. Comparing Jamarcus Russell right now to Carson Palmer is like comparing DHB to Ocho Cinco or Larry Fitzgerald. They are not comparable players at this point and anyone who would try to do it is showing their ignorance. You want to compare Jamarcus to someone, compare him to Alex Smith. THAT, is an apt comparison.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
LOL @ Brett Favres phone # being handy. Id rather lose with Russell than lose with a washed up hillbilly that is Brett Favre.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Server problems?? Are you FN kidding me? On opening day of training camp!? Are these not issues that should’ve been fixed already??? This isn’t freakin baseball!! It’s opening day of our NFL SEASON!!!!
July 29th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Yeah compare Russell to an established “bust” in Alex Smith.
Way to lower the bar Pokeglenn!
July 29th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
No Atlanta went 11-5 in the reg season. In the post season they went 1-1.
You’re welcome to butt in.
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I said they won 12 games in 2004. in 2004 they were 11-5. Plus 1-1. Looks like 12 wins to me. In fact it looks like 12 wins to everyone on earth that can count to 12 other than missedabrain, who clearly cannot. Of course, missedabrain is probably wearing one of those 19-0 New England Patriot shirts that 2 million kids in Zimbabwe own.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Better emergency QB for the Raiders…*AFTER mid-season…Garcia or Favre?
* Hey, it’s my poll!
July 29th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
#162
Its training camp. The season starts in Sept. The blog is up & running. GO ring out your pannies & wash the sand out of your clit.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Yeah compare Russell to an established “bust” in Alex Smith.
Way to lower the bar Pokeglenn!
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Right over missedabrains head once again. And you’re calling Favre a hillbilly??? I bet you chew tobakky, swill bud, are missing 10 teeth and live in some rotted trailer. I’m right aren’t I missedabrain??
July 29th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
nobody should be even considered to play over JR this year.we HAVE to let him play.if he falls on his face,so be it,but he has to play.like Vermeil said about Johnson-it’s time to grow up young man.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
You DO live in a trailer right missedabrain??
July 29th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
# lefty12 Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 10:46 pm
nobody should be even considered to play over JR this year.we HAVE to let him play.if he falls on his face,so be it,but he has to play.like Vermeil said about Johnson-it’s time to grow up young man.
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Exactly.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Pokeglenn, the reg season & post season is separate. You dont ad them together unless you misspoke on a blog & somebody called you on it…thats the ONLY time you ad post season wins to the reg season.
Keep trying to cover your anus..
July 29th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Someone must have pulled down the ‘lektrick wire off the power pole agin in missedabrains trailer park.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
There is no current comparison for Russell. I doubt their has been a 1st year starter who without question had the worst T combo in the league, and 3 different playcallers. I’ll stop right there as far as the BD that went on last year. Again, no comparison.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
missedabrain, you’re losing it. rain coming in the trailer top agin?
July 29th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
HD37-Charlie Frye
July 29th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
I agree play him all 2009 unless he becomes an embarrassment. At the end of the year decide to keep him or flush him.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Thank you Jhill.
July 29th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
You don’t have a flushing bowl in your trailer do you missedabrain. you gotta go down to the local Union 76 to wash up don;t you?
July 29th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
When comparing JaMarcus to ANY other QB…to be close to fair…it needs to be vs guys with a similar amount of time/games played in the league.
Alex Smith is a much better comparative example than Carson Palmer.
Anybody trying to have a realistic discussion on the matter would find guys with even experience to do it with.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
The whole premise of not comparing Russell to Flacco or Ryan was a retarded one to begin with.
Regardless of Atlantas record before Ryan got there you can absolutely compare rookie Qb’s. They were 4-12 the year before Ryan arrived along with a ROOKIE coach!
The only reason a nit wit like Pokeglenn wants to kill the debate is because Russell has been a clod so far and he hates to admit it.
Hows Shields doing Pokeglenn ?
July 29th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
With that said, this year he better get it done. Henderson and Barnes should be adequate at the T positions, and he actually has some weapons to throw to.
The thing I am most anxious to see is how the new coaching staffs impact this team, if at all.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Pokeglenn, the reg season & post season is separate. You dont ad them together unless you misspoke on a blog & somebody called you on it…thats the ONLY time you ad post season wins to the reg season.
Keep trying to cover your anus..
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Sure. In you’re warped little world, little man, You make the rules. Did I forget to tell you that I am looking at the Sporting news and they do what I did?? In fact they also do that in college football as well. In fact everyone who knows what they are talking about does that. You know, you would think you might get something right just once on sheer luck. hasn’t happened yet tho. unbeleivable. What a complete utter moron.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Thank you HD. Would someone tell this moron missedabrain he is a complete utter moron. Baltimore is an excellent team that has been to the playoffs and has established pro ball and future hall of fame players. Compare that to Matt Stafford who is coming in to complete and utter disarray. They are not comparable situations. Unless you are a know nothing moron.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
Yes we need to lower the bar & determine how many play callers & how many burgers he ate, how many fur coats he wears, how many times he played like a girl in practice.
Its like affirmative action. Find someone who struggled as much as our Russell & compare him to that guy!
DONT compare him to achievers like Flacco & Ryan…..that would be “unfair”. You guys are pathetic!
July 29th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
Leave it to Miss Brown to officially misspell panties. Go look Raider Nation. Post 162. There for all to see. The one, the only, Mista illiterate Brown!!!
July 29th, 2009 at 11:06 pm
You can’t compare Atlanta and Baltimore to the Raiders! Are you kidding me?
Matt Ryan had a Pro Bowl WR AND a PB RB, and a pretty decent team around him.
Flacco had a ridiculous defense that allowed him to coast all season.
Those two guys should continue to have success based on their teams being strong overall, but their situations hardly compare to JRuss’s.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
i don’t believe even comparing smith to Russell is fair due to the injuries Smith has had.that and the way the whiners have totally mishandled Smiths development.imagine the field day the media and the critics would be having if the Raiders had handled JR as bad as the whiners have handled Smith.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
Jhill, Mike Holmgren threw together an excellent staff up there in Seattle and it showed. The Raiders and Tom Cable were very smart to pick up the pieces of that staff once Mora Jr, blew it up. John Marshall has 30 years in the NFL. Think he knows what he’s doing?
July 29th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Pokeglenn loves thanking other posters if they agree on something. He loves dropping to his knees & sucking off Priest.
What kinda retarded schit is that for a grown man? Were you abused as a child or did your mommy feed you with a slingshot ? What happened in your life that led up to this ?
July 29th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Someone is raving and drooling in the corner. Could someone call an ambulance.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Mista canyou name anything else Oakglenn has been or can you anything at all that you’ve been right about?
We had high hopes for a player who’s got great talent but injuries have derailed him. It happens all the time doesn’t mean he or I were wrong about Shields talent just wrong that he’d be able to display it. Big difference but of course you would have a tough time understanding that.
Arman Shields is a very talented player who’s hurt dumbell which says nothing good or bad about his ability.
Figure it out why don’t ya’
July 29th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
I wonder if the psyche ward will be able to do something about missedabrain’s rancid smell
July 29th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Pokeglenn loves thanking other posters if they agree on something. He loves dropping to his knees & sucking off Priest.
What kinda retarded schit is that for a grown man? Were you abused as a child or did your mommy feed you with a slingshot ? What happened in your life that led up to this ?
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Melting down faster than Chernobyl.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:10 pm
Ryan inherited a 4-12 team where the coach left a note and quit during the season. A rookie coach came in with Ryan & turned it around.
How much worse of a situation could that have been? Russell would have curled up like a baby given that scenario!
July 29th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
Oakglenn Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Someone is raving and drooling in the corner. Could someone call an ambulance.
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Sounds just like Beecham’s lingo.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
Well Priest, in the immortal words of Bill Polian who build those Buffalo Bills teams in the 1990’s and Indy Colts teams recently that won it all, the draft is a crap shoot. But somehow the idiot raving and drooling in the corner, who lives by himself in a trailer and lives off food stamps, knows more than guys who make millions of dollars a year as NFL execs. Suuuuuurrrre, he does. Where is that ambulance???
July 29th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
And the same pettiness.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:13 pm
Absolutely, his injury is tragic. I would have loved to see Shields play.
But I wasnt the boot licking koolaid guzzling fool saying how GOOD he is before he even stepped on the field. Thats the reason you are a fraud & a dope!
Priest, you are stuck on stupid!
July 29th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
# lefty12 Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
i don’t believe even comparing smith to Russell is fair due to the injuries Smith has had.that and the way the whiners have totally mishandled Smiths development.imagine the field day the media and the critics would be having if the Raiders had handled JR as bad as the whiners have handled Smith.
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I think that is the point. Both took over bad teams. The entire thing with Smith has been completely bungled by them. Of course, the Lame Kiffin debacle and swirling disaster was no Rose Bowl parade either. That’s why it is an apt comparison on some levels.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
Lefty12, I say that all the time Jerry can’t wait to declare Russell a bust but the local media never says much about the mess the niners made of that pick.
But Jerry loves to announce 4th and 6th rnd pick mistakes the Raiders have made. I know this is a Raiders blog which of course speaks to that, but the local media sidesteps that all the time. It’s just all about Russell.
If anyone is in a make or break year it’s Alex Smith…………….period
July 29th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
# KoolKell Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:12 pm
And the same pettiness.
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what do you think of his post #189 if you are so smart. And did you notice he came in here mouthing off and embarrasing himself again. Answer that.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Priesttj Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
We had high hopes for a player who’s got great talent but injuries have derailed him.
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Who’s “we” who are you speaking for. I noticed that with Oakglenn earlier. Who’s we?
July 29th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Priest you just dont get it do you ?
You jock EVERY player the Raiders draft. EVERY single one.
It doesnt take 1 single brain cell or football knowledge to do that!
You’re a joke!
July 29th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Someone get that guy a drool rag.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Yes they did come in and turn it around, and props to them for getting it done.
But are you seriously suggesting that Ryan came into a tougher situation than Russell did? Russell didn’t fold up in the situation he was in here, so why would he do so in an easier situation like Atlanta?
July 29th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
what do you think of his post #189 if you are so smart. And did you notice he came in here mouthing off and embarrasing himself again. Answer that.
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So what? I’m talking about you, not him. You’ve been at that petty shyt for over an hour. Nasty too. Name-calling for an hour. That’s your personality.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
# KoolKell Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:16 pm
Who’s “we” who are you speaking for. I noticed that with Oakglenn earlier. Who’s we?
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Is this a stupid question? Who do you think?? Who do you think has high hopes that DHB is going to be a good player?? Who do you think has high hopes that Jamarcus is going to be a good player??? I know I do. But then, there are probably some people who would rather those players be busts, just so they can rail on Davis and the Raiders. We don’t call them fans. We call them mentally deficient. Don’t you think?
July 29th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
You can train a monkey to think everything silver & black is GOLDEN.
When you start being realistic & objective Priest thats when you wont be thought of as the VILLAGE IDIOT.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
Don’t compare JaMarcus to one or two, historically extreme, examples.
Compare JaMarcus to QB’s in HIS class…or if you’re going to use Flacco and Ryan…add their entire class also…or it’s not a valid comparison.
The relatively REALISTIC comparison would show that JaMarcus is right where he needs to be (even ahead of most of those other guys, in terms of development?).
Is JaMarcus John Elway? In our dreams. As good as Flacco and Ryan? Quite possibly. As far along as either of them? Maybe. As good as Eli Manning? Probably. Ready to be a great NFL QB? Not out of the question — methinks he’s got what it takes.
Don’t compare JaMarcus to the greatest 1st-year stories in NFL history…or, IF YOU DO…compare ALL QB’s at the same level.
By those standards…Elway, Montana, Aikman, and on and on would all be complete failures.
Next?!
July 29th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
What’s funny KK is I have been here and it’s the same people who devolve this into a mess. And you are one of them. You add nothing, you come here to argue, and you are really not very smart. Anything else?
July 29th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Absolutely! I never seen a franchise in shambles like Atlanta when Petrino quit & then the next year they have a rookie Qb & rookie Coach!!!!
C’mon man!
July 29th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Once again, if you all remember correctly, Denver traded with a very very bad Indy team for the rights to Elway, after Elway said he would not play in Indy. So, Elway went to a team that was a solid team. Even tho he was an overall number one, it is again, NOT COMPARABLE.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Gnite Beecham, King of the Trolls.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
KK,don’t you have high hopes for any player the team you root for drafts?it seems when they say we they are talking about those of us who are Raider fans.we all know they aren’t all going to be successful,but we still root for them,don’t we?
July 29th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Thats funny Pokeglenn because you went after me in post #6 for something as petty as the round Shields was drafted. But you are innocent right ? You’re a fraud & joke as well.
# Oakglenn Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
# KoolKell Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
What round was Shields drafted in, that was another wasted pick.
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# Mistabrown Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 12:59 pm
3rd I believe
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Wrong again missedabrain. But one day, you might finally get something right. After all, even a blind pig finds a peanut every once in awhile.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
good nite paranoid man. don’t worry paranoid man. Just becuase you are paranoid does not mean people are not out to get you. I feel sorry for you. You have serious mental issues.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Thats you in post #6 right ? Look in the mirror you nit wit!
# Oakglenn Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
What’s funny KK is I have been here and it’s the same people who devolve this into a mess. And you are one of them. You add nothing, you come here to argue, and you are really not very smart. Anything else?
July 29th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Priest you just dont get it do you ?
You jock EVERY player the Raiders draft. EVERY single one.
It doesnt take 1 single brain cell or football knowledge to do that!
You’re a joke!
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You can train a monkey to think everything silver & black is GOLDEN.
When you start being realistic & objective Priest thats when you wont be thought of as the VILLAGE IDIOT.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
Mistabrown Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
Thats funny Pokeglenn because you went after me in post #6 for something as petty as the round Shields was drafted. But you are innocent right ? You’re a fraud & joke as well.
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Did someone find you a drool rag?? You are not making sense. My point is you were wrong on a simple fact like that. You can’t even get that right. I don’t think you have ever gotten anything right. It’s actually frightening. It really is. How someone can be wrong sooooooo often. Even on simple things. You must be jinxed or something. Seriously.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
Did you find your drool rag??
July 29th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
But Ryan wasn’t there for any of that Petrino stuff. Niether was Turner. Ryan came into a situation where his coach was fully behind him from draft day, and he had a Pro Bowl RB and WR as weapons.
Need I remind you of Russell’s circumstances?
Again, just commenting on your Russell would curl up argument. He had a tougher situation to deal with than Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco, and I just don’t see how you can try and debate otherwise. Lame duck coaching staff leading to 3 different playcallers?
You Cmon!
July 29th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Pokeglenn, you told KK other people start with you yet it was you that started with me on post #6. Im sure you cant follow along now…
Hypocrite & Fraud
# Oakglenn Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:20 pm
What’s funny KK is I have been here and it’s the same people who devolve this into a mess. And you are one of them. You add nothing, you come here to argue, and you are really not very smart. Anything else?
July 29th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Mistabrown Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Pokeglenn, you told KK other people start with you yet it was you that started with me on post #6. Im sure you cant follow along now…
Hypocrite & Fraud
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So what you are saying is I lit up on you and so I am a hypocrite and a fraud correct?
July 29th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Mista, are yu stupid or just pretending, The only players in this draft that I’ve made statements about are the ones I personally studied, Matt Shaunessey, Mike Mitchell whom I really haven’t studied but was WOW’d by the youtube tape and DHB whom I’ve seen 2 games on. I also saw Myers but haven’t said much about him other he better inline blocker than reciever. The rest of this years draft I haven’t seen nor have I said anything about.
Last years draft I didn’t want DMC and everybody knows it. Great player but we didn’t need him. I wait until I see the player before I say anything about them………….period
July 29th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
So to add to that Mista, you have lied again because you don’t have a point.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
What is the answer missedabrain??
July 29th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Obviously Flacco was in the best situation of the 3.
Ryan had walked into a situation with 0 foundation. Russell pissed away his rookie year with contract issues.
No comparison unless you want to hold Russells hand like a girl scout.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
So I just completely unloaded on you out of nowhere is that what you are saying missedabrain?
July 29th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 12:58 pm
If Priest & OakGlenn ride BEY’s jock like they did Shields it could be a disastrous career for the poor kid.
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Here, obviously you forgot that you posted this just earlier today. And no, Priest and I were NOT riding Shields jock, nor did we call him the next Jerry Rice, we just both ackowledeged he had a nice college career and was most likely worth a 4th round pick. IT WAS YOU, that jocked us. So, under your own defintion, you are the hypocrite and fraud. And liar. And POS
July 29th, 2009 at 11:37 pm
Notice how he runs away and hides. gutless POS that missedabrain.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Im saying you started with me for something as meaningless as the round Shields was drafted & you have the audacity to blame others for arguing.
Itsnothing new this is your M.O in here. A troll & a fraud.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Obviously Flacco was in the best situation of the 3.
Ryan had walked into a situation with 0 foundation. Russell pissed away his rookie year with contract issues.
No comparison unless you want to hold Russells hand like a girl scout.
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wrong as ususal. Hypocrite and fraud. Get the guy a drool rag.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
July 29th, 2009 at 11:38 pm
Im saying you started with me for something as meaningless as the round Shields was drafted & you have the audacity to blame others for arguing.
Itsnothing new this is your M.O in here. A troll & a fraud.
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Did YOU not bring both Priest and I up earlier in the day?? Or is that some mirage??? I didn’t bring you up. I never bring you up. You are something I step on. So by your own definition, you are a liar, hypocrite and fraud. Check/mate.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Priest you just dont get it do you ?
You jock EVERY player the Raiders draft. EVERY single one.
It doesnt take 1 single brain cell or football knowledge to do that!
You’re a joke!
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You can train a monkey to think everything silver & black is GOLDEN.
When you start being realistic & objective Priest thats when you wont be thought of as the VILLAGE IDIOT.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
check mate. loser.
July 29th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Like I said you 2 goons are the equivalent of a monkey. It doesn’t take 1 ounce of knowledge to suck every player, GM & coach dry that wears the S&B.
You 2 derelicts are the definition of fraud.
The end.
G’night
July 29th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
check mate hypocrite fraud.
July 30th, 2009 at 4:50 am
im just glad camp is here no more talk about off season and this years draft picks let the guys fight it out and see what happens i hope morrisons comments about stopping the run come true with the schedule we got were gonna need it DMAC fantasy steal of the year GO RAIDERS
July 30th, 2009 at 5:52 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Time for coffee…Everyone have a cup on me!
July 30th, 2009 at 5:21 pm
Prior Engagement?? Prior Engagement?? Where is the man’s sense of priority?? And as for Kelly jumping offside: hey, keep your eye on the ball. Or don’t they teach that technique any more??