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Notes, quotes

Notes and quotes from Tuesday at the Napa Marriott, a day before the Raiders begin practices:

– JaMarcus Russell has not been made available to the media yet _ that would probably be Thursday _ but at least two players, Johnnie Lee Higgins and Zach Miller, did not attend his “passing camp” in Alabama.

Higgins said he was spending time in his family and Miller was on vacation with his fiancee. Both are expressing their confidence in Russell’s maturity and leadership ability.

Cable dodged any questions of whether Jeff Garcia had any legitimate chance of unseating Russell as the starter.

“I think right now in moving forward our starting quarterback is JaMarcus Russell and Jeff is his backup,” Cable said. “How it all plays out and all that, we’re always evaluating this football team. We certainly want to put the best chance on the field to win.”

Cable’s rationale on ditching Lane Kiffin’s Morning-evening-afternoon practice schedule, a with double sessions separated by several hours and always followed by an mid-afternoon practice the next day:

“They need to be in the heat and the sun. It hardens you. They need to go through the struggles of camp and the hard work, kind of the ups and downs with it and learn to help each other through it,” Cable said. “That’s part of building leadership and building a closer camp. Perhaps you can make it through easier by having this and then at night, back in the morning the next day. It’s almost like it’s too soft, it’s too easy.”

OK, then, how come there will be eight “learning intensive” practices with no pads before getting down to the serious business of knocking some heads?

“We’ll do that plenty. One thing I do know about football players and humans in general, if you’re mind’s right, the rest of it kind of fits,” Cable said. “You can go beat the hell out of them all you want, but if they don’t know where to go or how to go there, in a hurry, you’ve got problems.”

– Hard to see the Derrick Burgess saga having a happy ending. Challenging Al Davis is never a good thing. If Burgess is seriously considering sitting out, Davis will have no problem letting him until he either comes back, tail between his legs, or if a legitimate trade offer comes forth. And what is a legitimate trade offer to Davis is often more than the other team is willing to give.

From Burgess’ perspective, it’s no way to begin a salary drive.

– It’s time to set Andrew Walter free. Trade options were explored in the offseason, but it’s tough to get a draft pick when everyone knows he’s going to be cut.

– If the draft picks are going for the likes of Arman Shields and Stryker Sulak, it hardly matters. Hindsight is 20-20, but those were undeniably wasted picks by any standard.

– I’m still of the opinion Darrius Heyward-Bey will be in Napa shortly. At most, he’ll be like Michael Huff, Darrell Russell and Miller _ players who missed maybe a practice or two while details of the contract were being ironed out.

The Raiders track record in signing all their picks is beyond reproach other than the Russell disaster. The fact that Cable said Heyward-Bey is essentially on standby somewhere in the Bay Area is a good sign.

Cable also said there are no issues with Heyward-Bey’s hamstring, which slowed his progress during the mandatory minicamp and OTAs.

– The company line through camp last year was that no one was worried about Lane Kiffin’s relationship with Al Davis. It was a media creation, overblown, taken out of context, etc. Now the story, according to Kirk Morrison, is that it was tough to deal with.

“I think it’s a big weight lifted off our shoulders. Last year going into it, I just think every week there was a question. It wasn’t about who the opponent was, it was more about ‘Is your coach going to be here? What do you guys have to do to keep his job? If you guys don’t win do you think he’s going to be fired, ” Morrison said. “These are the questions that had to be answered on a continuous basis for the first couple of months and all of training camp. That’s just something as players you don’t want to here.

“You just want to keep going and practice, worry about the opponent, worry about stopping the run, worry about completing passes down the field, worry about winning. Now that’s what the basis of our camp is right now is figuring out ways how we are going to win football games. That’s why I’m excited. We haven’t heard any of that other talk. Our main focus is getting the guys together and getting out on the football field and producing as a 53-man roster that can get out on the football field and win games for us.

– Morrison promises the Raiders will do what they haven’t done consistently since he arrived _ stop the run. It will happen through discipline, repetition and gap control.
“We have a mission. Our mission is to stop the run this year.” Morrison said. “What we have to do about that is going from step one, the basics, learning, teaching. I think the guys understand that. Once we go from those basics to putting it out on the field, repping it as many times as possible, so when game time comes we’ll be ready to go.”

– Morrison on the value of continuity: “Same head coach, same year. I’ve been through four head coaches in four years so far. I just hope that this one stays. I think that what he laid out for us so far, it looks like he’s going to be here a long time.”

– Last year’s surprising finish, considering the mostly unwatchable team of the first 10-plus weeks, has Morrison hoping for some momentum.

“We’ve been through it, a lot of guys are still here from last year that were part of that team that went 3-3 over the last six games and saw the improvement that we made,” Morrison said. “We saw what winning felt like and what it tasted like and I think coming off what we did last year, guys are ready to let that thing roll over into this year. We see what we can be. Now it’s just up to us to go out and become everything that people think we aren’t.”

– Cable opened his press briefing by expressing condolences to the Philadelphia Eagles over the death of defensive coordinator Jim Johnson.

“First thing I want to say is this: I want to send out our thoughts and prayers to the Philadelphia Eagles and the family of Jim Johnson,” Cable said.“For all of us in this game, there’s a guy who epitomizes what coaching at this level is all about and has for a long, long time. So it’s important for me to say that.”

Johnson never coached for the Raiders, but interviewed for the job of defensive coordinator on Jon Gruden’s staff in 1998. Gruden wanted to hire Johnson, but Davis opted for Willie Shaw. Shaw did a remarkable job in his first season, but was gone two years later in favor of Chuck Bresnahan.

On the Dan Patrick Show, ex-Raider Warren Sapp said of Johnson, “Al Davis may have said it, but Jim Johnson lived it _ the quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard.”
Johnson’s zone blitzing teams were almost always among the leaders in sacks.

– Lots of issues with the blog because of an aborted server change today, and it may be troublesome tomorrow as well. Check in with my Twitter account for updates if the blog is down . . .

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  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # KoolKell Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 7:52 pm

    Oakglenn

    #1. You say I’m paranoid, yet I am stalked every day. And, have had lots of run-ins with YOU.

    #2. Any Sports GM, or Business CEO who’ve produced a mediocre at best record of production over a 20 year span obviously includes the vicissitudes of life.
    ————————————————-

    Notice one last thing. Right now, there are only two posters on this site that I have continual run ins with. Two. Everyone else I am fine with. And both of them started it with me, and both of them continue to start up with me. Look at Dud last nite: He was the one who started with me, and he ended up in a demented nonsensical racial tirade. I never START name calling or personal attacks with ANYONE. They start first. Notice that sometime.

    What does your statement #2 mean?? And I know what the word vicissitude means.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    Teabag Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    So you have used 2 talking points to deflect blame from Al Davis…
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    No. I am not deflecting blame from Al Davis at all. I am using both arguments as illustrations ABOUT arguments. You have extrapolated and then surmised it was about Davis. I wasn’t talking about Davis at all. I was talking about arguements. Read it again.

  • lefty12

    Teabag,more than one player has said Marshall is teaching more than Ryan ever did.i’ve also heard many current and ex players say they are amazed that once you reach the pro level,the lack of teaching provided by pro teams.as all things in life,the longer you do something the more you know it.unfortunately,many coaches seem to think like you-that just because someone comes out of college they don’t need to be taught things any longer,and that just isn’t true.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # Stanley Roper Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 8:02 pm

    I love our corners but I find it hard to believe the Pass D will be number 1 with the subpar safties and lack of pass rush we have.
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    Our pass rush last year was adequate. Certainly top third of the league and that was with Burgess (arguably our best pass rusher) out most of the season. Adding Greg Ellis will certainly help. You bring up our safety play, and that is exactly right. Notice playoff teams have at least one EXCELLENT safety. We don’t. Yet.

  • Stanley Roper

    I would like to weigh in on the Al Davis discussion if I may. Al has done many freat things for the NFL and the Raiders but I really feel he should take a step back and let a football guy run the show. Theres no shame in getting old, we all do it. I think age has just really taken its toll on his mental faculties the last 5 or so years. I personally have been embarrased on more than one occasion lately because of the way he has been going about his business. There comes a time in everyones life when they just get too old to do their job and I think its obvious Al has reached that point.

  • LTR

    Lots of variables to winning any year. Not just who you play, but when you play them. Injuires, ours and theirs, weather, the refs, the bye, the over time coin toss, just the bounce of the ball. The schedule is huge. We play tough teams this year, but the schedule is favorable IMO. We may have a better chance this year because they don’t see us coming. That’s why they play the games.

  • Teabag

    # lefty12 Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 8:08 pm

    Teabag,more than one player has said Marshall is teaching more than Ryan ever did.i’ve also heard many current and ex players say they are amazed that once you reach the pro level,the lack of teaching provided by pro teams.as all things in life,the longer you do something the more you know it.unfortunately,many coaches seem to think like you-that just because someone comes out of college they don’t need to be taught things any longer,and that just isn’t true.
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    You can never put stock into what these players are saying. It’s just not something you can take for face value.

    Ask any Seattle fan.. Marshall ran a very frustating defense to watch. And mind you, he had MUCH better personnel in Seattle. But the one thing you have to take note of is this.

    The best defensive game we played all year last year was in Denver. We blitzed, Ryan mixed up the schemes and looks he gave. He let Howard sell out. It worked. And it worked great.

    But why did they get away from that? What entity causes our defense to NOT send packages to a fault? We have NO exotic pressures. It’s Al Davis philosophy at work…

    The reason Marshall was brought in is because his philosophy is more of the same… Use the front 4 to generate pressure. Rarely using stunts and twists. Vanilla, Vanilla, and more Vanilla.

    We can’t expect them to get pressure, because they never have. And you aren’t selling me that “coaching” is going to fix the issue.. I have heard it MORE than once over the past few seasons.

  • LTR

    I agree with 105 and I’m an Al homer by some standards.

  • jhill

    If you recall most of the games last year, defensively it makes sense what Nnamdi and the guys are saying. Remember Ryan’s big thing was we have great players and I am trying to put them into positions to make plays. That was always his answer to gap discipline questions.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    One thing that some of you Al haters are really going to hate is in the Gruden era, he was much more hands off. He let Gruden, Allen and Lombardi mind the store much more than he ever had before. They then drove it off a cliff. And if you don’t believe me, look at the present state of Tampon Bay. It is almost identical. The last two+ drafts have Davis’ fingerprints ALL OVER THEM. Just saying.

  • Stanley Roper

    I personally thought Gruden and Co. were a breathe of fresh air and brought alot of fun and excitement back to Raiderland. Otherwise who knows how long this drought would be right now. Alot of players came here because of Gruden. I.E. Gannon, Garner, Woodson.

  • Teabag

    # Oakglenn Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    One thing that some of you Al haters are really going to hate is in the Gruden era, he was much more hands off. He let Gruden, Allen and Lombardi mind the store much more than he ever had before. They then drove it off a cliff. And if you don’t believe me, look at the present state of Tampon Bay. It is almost identical. The last two+ drafts have Davis’ fingerprints ALL OVER THEM. Just saying.
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    The last 2 drafts of picks have proved not much so the jury is still out.

    But Gruden wasnt the best draft mind. He was, however, a great coach. And Al couldn’t deal with something worked that he did not have his blueprint on.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    Stanley we all did.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    #112 is exactly right. I am sure Gruden was offered offensive coordinator positions in the offseason, which he turned down. Gruden wants to have complete control. Davis likes to have a lot of control as well. Not a match made in heaven for sure.

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Oakglenn Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    Stanley we all did.
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    Who are you speaking for?

  • http://www.car.org KoolKell

    Oakglenn Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 8:15 pm

    One thing that some of you Al haters are really going to hate is in the Gruden era,
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    You want to characterize legitimate criticism to “Haters”. As to de-legitimize any counter arguments.

    Then as a “Hater”, that person obviously deserves to be stalked, right?

  • LTR

    I’ll be shocked and disappointed if we don’t blitz more with great success. RR always seemed to play soft at the end of the close games, even when pressure had been working. Meangelo always playing 10 yards off made it too easy also.

  • http://sportmag.us/images/Lester_Hayes_November_1981.jpg RaiderDogg

    dmcfadden20Had too many messages to reply to 1by1…but I’m 100% percent goin into camp n lovin coach cable style. Thanks for tha good luck wishes

  • Raidervill

    Whats Up Nation!!! Let the football begin. Here is a breakdown of what I saw last year regarding the Raiders biggest factor in 2009…the man JaMarcus Russell. Or skip this and read all the other mindless drivel on here.

    Wk 1 Den – Hard to judge JRuss in this drubbing by Denver. The defense gave him no chance. He racked up some numbers near the end, but really blew a huge opportunity by fumbling on the opening drive, the start of a disturbing trend. C-

    Wk 2 @KC – Didn’t have to do much with DMac/Bush racking up 300 yards on the ground, but a nice first road win in KC. C

    Wk 3 @Buf – Nice first half (TD run), but the Tenn B*tch rarely gave him a chance in the 2nd. Had another costly fumble that led to a Buf TD, but did make the huge 84 yard play to JLH that should have won the game. Good job D. C

    Wk 4 SD – Best half of football by JRuss to date included a beautiful bomb to Miller. 2nd half woes continue…another fumble, bad luck pick on screen. First time QB looks rattled. C

    Wk 5 @NO – Bad loss, Bad D and Bad JRuss. I’m starting to worry a bit. D-

    Wk 6 NYJ – Best game to date for young QB. Out plays Favre and does what he needs to win game. Not perfect, but a solid consistent performance. Bad luck (Miller TD wiped out, fumble in Q4…Tuck Rule anyone?) and had some rough OT moments, but hung in there to make plays on final drive. Watch the TD to Walker…beautiful play on the run. Big time potential. B+

    Wk 7 @Balt – Very tough game for JRuss and S&B, but I thought youngster showed some grit. Was under attack all game, but made a few plays (Miller throws, Chaz bomb). Ravens D way too much. I truly believe if JRuss was in Flacco’s position in Balt the results would have been very similar. C

    Wk 8 Atl – Shades of 2006…wow just pathetic. Entire team plus JR really tanked this game. F

    Wk 9 Car – Walter fans get a chance to watch their boy…cut him, never understood the Nation’s love affair with Andrew.

    Wk 10 @Mia – When JRuss left game in 1st half with injury I really started to doubt. BUST pops into head for 1st time. But the man comes back and shows a lil something. Hits his passes and helps keep S&B in game until the end. Not brilliant by any means, but he came back and gave a game effort…the education of a QB continues. C+

    Wk 11 @Den – Best game to date. Didn’t throw a lot but was almost perfect when he did. Bomb to Lelie…TD dart to Lelie in endzone beautiful stuff. A

    Wk 12 KC – Oh to be young and inconsistent. Perfect last week and horribly inaccurate against KC. Lessons need to be learned by all. Bring it every week JRuss. Also try not to get the WR killed please. D+

    Wk 13 @SD – Another stinker…fumbles, picks. Chargers destroy S&B again. F

    Wk 14 NE – Moss returns and Raiders D never shows up again. JRuss keeps up the battle though and puts some points on the board in the end. Bad loss, but it could have been much worse. C-

    Wk 15 Hou – JRuss finally starts out fast and plays one of the most complete games of his career. Watch JRuss when he is clicking and he makes all the throws. He just needs consistency. He CAN get there. A-

    Wk 16 @TB – QB starts off strong again and after throwing a bad pick and stalling in the 2nd, makes the plays he needs to help win the game. Watch him chase down the pick he throws…nice hustle big fella. B

    JaMarcus in ’08 – A lot of average performances with some total failures mixed in with some A games. Pretty much what you expect from 1st year QB. He has the tools and man when he is on it is sweet to watch. I’m a believer and think he takes the next step this year. People who think he is a bust are just plain impatient, bitter or retarded. Give the man some time to grow.

    One Nation Baby!!!

  • http://sportmag.us/images/Lester_Hayes_November_1981.jpg RaiderDogg

    Tight end Zach Miller is a fan of the different demeanor Cable brings to camp. “I think he brings the right attitude, kind of an old school feel where we’re going to out-work other teams and we’re going to make sure that we grind it out.”

  • http://sportmag.us/images/Lester_Hayes_November_1981.jpg RaiderDogg

    Nice post Raidervill

  • SnB Defense

    Great, balanced, well-reasoned post Raidervill.

    I agree with your game-by-game assessment and your summary.

  • Stanley Roper

    Millers quote is bout the same thing the players were saying when Kiffin came in, when Shell came in, when Turner came in…… Not sure how much their is to take from these type of comments.

  • Stanley Roper

    One things for sure, if Russell does end up being a bust, which im not saying he will or wont, this team is in deep do do.

  • SnB Defense

    Stanley Roper Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 8:56 pm
    One things for sure, if Russell does end up being a bust, which im not saying he will or wont, this team is in deep do do.
    =======================================================
    Yes, the franchise would be in big trouble. But that’s not going to happen. Raidervill’s well written post illustrates a 1st yr QB who had ups and downs and showed enough to have confidence going into the 2nd yr.

    If the Raiders were to mess up with Russell, Huff, DMAC etc….you could expect some Eli Manning, John Elway type boycotts from future 1st round picks.

  • Stanley Roper

    The jury is out, lets hope it comes out with a verdict of innocent on the charge of bustery.

  • Bishop916

    I love this blog!

    I think I like Cable. He seems a pretty straight shooting kinda guy, and looks like he might turn over a table or two to get his point across…

    GO RAIDERS!

  • HayesDaze37

    Teabag Says:

    The best defensive game we played all year last year was in Denver. We blitzed, Ryan mixed up the schemes and looks he gave. He let Howard sell out. It worked. And it worked great.

    But why did they get away from that? What entity causes our defense to NOT send packages to a fault? We have NO exotic pressures. It’s Al Davis philosophy at work…

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    This is just total nonsense. Not a little nonsense…total, unmitigated nonsense.

    Al Davis’ ONLY philosophy is to win. Just Win. Just Win, Baby.

    Nobody in their right mind can think that Al saw a great Defensive effort — a HUGE emotional win against his biggest arch-rival — and then insist his DC go back to playing predictable/loser football? That’s not even logical.

    If RR could’ve put together ANY semblance of an organized unit on the field, he would’ve been able to run “Al’s philosophy” and WON the battles on the field.

    It’s Marshall’s chance to do that very thing with THIS team and THESE players and HIS schemes and HIS ball$ in the vice to produce…with Al’s philosophy.

    Just Win, Baby.

  • HayesDaze37

    Also…trying to figure out why anybody would use the moniker “teabag?”

  • Stanley Roper

    Al sure hasnt been “Just winning Baby” lately. I think even the die hard Al guy would find his recent history of decisions extremely questionable.

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  • DarthPirate

    We don’t need Burgess. Better he holds out than one of our few D Tackles.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # Stanley Roper Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 8:56 pm

    One things for sure, if Russell does end up being a bust, which im not saying he will or wont, this team is in deep do do.
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    Well, clearly yes. Any overall number draft choice that does not pan out is going to REALLY hurt a franchise. The problem I see is people are comparing Jamarcus to Joe Flacco and Matt Ryan, which are not apt comparisons. Flacco’s Ravens team was a 13 win team two years before Flacco. Ryans Falcons were a 12 win team a couple of years before that. You have to compare overall number ones, to overall number ones. That list in the last ten years includes Tim Couch, David Carr, Michael Vick, Eli Manning, Carson Palmer and the most apt comparison, Alex Smith. Manning and Palmer are both solid players, but I will stick with Jamarcus for the time being thank you.

  • HayesDaze37

    Stanley Roper Says:

    Al sure hasnt been “Just winning Baby” lately. I think even the die hard Al guy would find his recent history of decisions extremely questionable.

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    Yawn…Die-hard Al guys DO find it at best questionable, and know it’s worse that that even. We all see the W-L column.

    Al’s record sucks lately. Acknowledged. But what is “recent?” What’s the cut-off? Last 6-yrs? 20-yrs? No cut-off date?

    How about what has happened THIS year…right now…in THIS camp and with THESE guys?

    Seems to me the current vibe is better than I’ve seen it in a looong time…like pre-Gruden, even. And I’ve been around for ALL of the Al Davis Raiders’ ups and downs.

    No matter what we feel about it, Al owns the team, and he can do whatever he wants with it. Some of us are OK with that…especially since there’s nothing to do about it. But, it’s a non-argument that gets beat on all the time anyway.

    Not every move Al makes is platinum…but it seems like even he has learned a few lessons “recently” — which is the major complaint against him.

    Let’s all acknowledge all these things and move on to THIS SEASON.

  • Mistabrown

    Well, here you are wrong again Pokeglenn. And here I am to correct you just like after the NYG SB.

    The last time Atlanta won 12 games or more was 1998 they 14-2. A couple years back????

    # Oakglenn Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    Ryans Falcons were a 12 win team a couple of years before that.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    Teabag Says:

    The best defensive game we played all year last year was in Denver.
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    I don’t know, I thought when we held KC to 0 points thru 55 minutes of a 60 minute game in their yard we did pretty good. Or how’s about the next week when we held Buffalo to 7 points into the 4th quarter. Let’s not forget holding Farve and the Jets to 13 total points even tho the game went to OT. Carolina (12-5) got 17 on us, but the defense got 4 picks in THAT GAME, and the offense did nothing with them. That was pretty good since Carolina was 6-2 at the time and coming off their bye. The Miami game the next week was pretty good too. We gave up 14 thru 3 quarters, 17 total, the defense scored a safety in that game so actually the defense gave up 15 net, And still lost. Next game the Denver game you speak of. Certainly a good game. I could keep going…

  • Stanley Roper

    I dont see how someone could say they would take Jamarcus over Eli Manning or Carson Palmer. Seems to me that those guys are both established QBs in the NFL and Russell still has alot to prove. Odd.

  • lefty12

    Teabag,you say to ask any Seattle fan.why?an i supposed to believe them and not what any players say?i say Nnamdi interviewed.i read an interview with Morrison.both said the difference between Ryan and Marshall is Marshall concentrates more on teaching and being better fundamentally.you can choose to ignore that,but i happen to believe them,and as a fan hope they are correct which will make the team i root for better.don’t we all hope for that?

  • lefty12

    i saw Nnamdi interviewed.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # Mistabrown Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:13 pm

    Well, here you are wrong again Pokeglenn. And here I am to correct you just like after the NYG SB.

    The last time Atlanta won 12 games or more was 1998 they 14-2. A couple years back????

    # Oakglenn Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:06 pm

    Ryans Falcons were a 12 win team a couple of years before that.
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    Actually, Atlanta was a 12 win team in 2004, they won the wild card that year, as an 11-5 team, beat the Rams in a playoff game, and then lost in the conference championship to McNabb and the Eagles. So they won 12 games that year. Wrong again. But keep trying little man. As I posted earlier, maybe you will be right once. Even a blind pig finds a peanut every once in awhile.

  • Mistabrown

    P0keglenn, I took a guess & said 3rd round it was 2.5 years ago and I was off by 1 round. Thats why I said “3rd round I believe”. In other words “NOT SURE” but here’s my guess.

    Give yourself a big pat on the back. I know your a little chapped after propping up Shields for 2 years & now you are left scrolling through a blog to make your pitiful self feel better.

    # Oakglenn Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 5:11 pm
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    # Mistabrown Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 12:59 pm

    3rd I believe
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    Wrong again missedabrain. But one day, you might finally get something right. After all, even a blind pig finds a peanut every once in awhile.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # Stanley Roper Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    I dont see how someone could say they would take Jamarcus over Eli Manning or Carson Palmer. Seems to me that those guys are both established QBs in the NFL and Russell still has alot to prove. Odd.
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    Actually what is odd is someone who wants to compare a one year starter to someone who has been in the league for five or six years. Carson Palmer has had that many years as a starter. Jamarcus has had one, and the season was marred by coaching changes and complete upheaval. Before winning the Super Bowl that year, NY Giant fan wanted to run Eli Manning out of Grand Central Station covered in tar and feathers. Know your history my friend.

  • Mistabrown

    In 2004 Atlanta went 11-5, now you want to include playoff wins in the reg season. You might be the most ridiculous troll ever to blog.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # Mistabrown Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:24 pm

    In 2004 Atlanta went 11-5, now you want to include playoff wins in the reg season. You might be the most ridiculous troll ever to blog.
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    I said the Falcons were a 12 win team. Last time I looked playoff wins count. Unless you are a Grade A absolute moron. Oh right, you are.

  • Mistabrown

    Only an idiot would want Russell over those guys but you have to remember in Pokeglenns feeble mind Russell is a “bonafide” NFL Qb.

    # Stanley Roper Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:17 pm

    I dont see how someone could say they would take Jamarcus over Eli Manning or Carson Palmer. Seems to me that those guys are both established QBs in the NFL and Russell still has alot to prove. Odd.

  • Mistabrown

    Actually it was Coughlin they wanted to run out of town. Eli was catching some heat but most of it was aimed @ the coach.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    Mistabrown Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:26 pm

    Only an idiot would want Russell over those guys but you have to remember in Pokeglenns feeble mind Russell is a “bonafide” NFL Qb.
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    missedabrain you don’t even know what a defense is. You cannot count to 12, you are humiliated in here every time you come here, you want some more??? you just humiliated yourself again.

  • http://RAIDERS Oakglenn

    # Mistabrown Says:
    July 29th, 2009 at 10:27 pm

    Actually it was Coughlin they wanted to run out of town. Eli was catching some heat but most of it was aimed @ the coach.
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    Actually my family has had NY Giants season tickets going back over 50 years. Once again, you do not know what you are talking about.

  • Mistabrown

    Pokeglenn has talked stupidly about the Oakland Raiders, again!

    Sincerely
    B@rback 0b@ma