DHB drops in for practice
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, July 30th, 2009 at 7:26 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Let’s be fair about it. It wasn’t exactly an optimum situation to go out for your first pass as a rookie first-round draft pick with a reported $23.5 million guranteed in your back pocket.
All the other Raiders receivers had been going through warm-ups together, catching some passes, while Darrius Heyward-Bey got in a little late while his contract was finalized.
But the Raiders couldn’t resist taking their high-speed toy for a test drive, and after he was done being stretched by a trainer, Heyward-Bey took the field. He went vertical of course, lining up on the left side and streaking 35 yards downfield.
Quarterback Charlie Frye arched a somewhat wobbly pass his way. Heyward-Bey got his hands on it, then it clanked to the ground.
“Didn’t get no balls before I got out there,’’ Heyward-Bey said. “That’s not good. But coach was like, `Go out there.’ And after that play it was like, `Well, you didn’t get any balls. He was like, `OK, that was my fault.’ Just the first day, getting out there right after the warmup. Things happen.’’
Afterward, the Raiders went to team sessions where there were no passes thrown. Instead was a procession of quick whistles and choreography, making sure they were lined up correctly, making the right reads. Footwork was checked.
At one point, passing game coordinator Ted Tollner called Heyward-Bey over told him of a mistake in a pass route.
As usual, there is little drama when it comes to the Raiders and their draft picks. The Raiders remain among the NFL’s best when it comes to bringing in their draft picks, with the JaMarcus Russell impasse the only blemish.
“I was aware of that, and I felt like it was headed in the right direction and it would get done so I had some comfort with it, but at the same time I wanted all of them here at the first meeting. He is here now and we worked today and he will get right into the flow of things.’’
Heyward-Bey, who proclaimed his hamstring ready to go (he missed time during mandatory minicamp and the OTAs), said he didn’t want to wait around until the 49ers Michael Crabtree signed or get the proper slot between Nos. 6 (Andre Smith) and 8 (Eugene Monroe) .
“I’ve always been concerned with myself and only me from Day 1,’’ Heyward-Bey said. “ I really can’t worry about what everybody else is doing. We were focusing on being a Raider and that’s it.’’
More news and notes from the second practice:
– Moments after Heyward-Bey went to the field house to get his equipment on and join his teammates, Andrew Walter made his way off the practice field for the last time, having been given his freedom.
He had just received the news he had been hoping for and was looking forward to a “good vibe’’ and new employer.
“I’m very excited for a fresh start,’’ Walter said. “We’ll see what happens. The only thing different that I would have hoped for is that it would have happened earlier. Things haven’t changed since February and it occurred just now. The timing is something I can’t control.’’
The Raiders gave permission Walter to seek a trade in the offseason, but with clubs knowing to a reasonable certainty he would be cut eventually, there were no takers. Walter, the one-time quarterback of the future whose Raiders career will forever be linked to Tom Walsh, Art Shell and the “Bed and Breakfast’’ offense, should get a shot somewhere.
Seattle, where Greg Knapp is the offensive coordinator, is a possibility. So is Denver, where Josh McDaniels isn’t as much of a stickler for mobile quarterbacks as Mike Shanahan was.
– Guard Paul McQuistan, who had offseason knee surgery, sat out the second practice, as did fullback Oren O’Neal. Derrick Burgess remained a no-show.
Chris Morris worked with the first team at left guard, followed by Mark Wilson.
– Tommy Kelly left briefly to have his ankle worked on, but returned to practice and didn’t jump offsides.
– Cable made a point after the morning session to that it didn’t matter much until Monday who worked with the first and second teams.
Still, it was at least mildly interesting that Stanford Routt got more work with the first team defense than did Chris Johnson, who signed the stealth off-season contract with a $4 million signing bonus.
– There isn’t much time before the whistle to make a play, but on one snap Jon Alston knifed through and got his hands on Darren McFadden on a sweep to the left.
– Details continued to be a priority, with defensive coordinator John Marshall reminding Gerard Warren about where he lined up, “Don’t get in there too tight, Gerard,’’ Marshall said.
– The run defense isn’t the only area where the Raiders plan to tighten things up. The media is now restricted to a 30-yard box on each field. Instead of being able to walk from field to field around an end zone, as in past years, a Raiders employee must lead the way.
I’ll refrain from calling it an “escort service.’’
Makes for an almost impossible view in some cases when the team is near the 50-yard line and players are in the way.
At one point, the guide was forced to stop near a stack of pads used for drills. When two reporters sat down for a moment, the cell phone of the security guard rang almost instantly.
“You have to get up,’’ he said somewhat reluctantly.
– The Raiders became the sixth team to get all their draft picks signed, joining Baltimore, Chicago, the New York Jets, Pittsburgh and Atlanta.
The Bears had no first-round pick and the Jets just three picks overall.
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July 30th, 2009 at 7:28 pm
Thanks for the update and the tweets Jerry!!
July 30th, 2009 at 7:33 pm
Second!
July 30th, 2009 at 7:37 pm
testing…
July 30th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
oh yeah Im back in the house!!!! Sup NATION???
July 30th, 2009 at 7:38 pm
DHB can’t catch a cold.
July 30th, 2009 at 7:40 pm
Am I back? Hey Jerry tell your boy the mod I said thanx for freeing my Ip
July 30th, 2009 at 7:41 pm
Walter did all right. He played like a warrior thru the worst of it.
Just in case you forgot:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knrqGfGO4dk
Good luck A-Dubb
July 30th, 2009 at 7:45 pm
lets get the pads out already!!! Man Im so stoked the season is finally starting… Go RAIDERS!!!
July 30th, 2009 at 7:48 pm
That’s soo awsome we test drive our high speed toy, jerry you my friend are king! Never short on exciting words
July 30th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
Btw good luck AW I hope you find a team and have a chance to play and show ur stuff, to bad it didn’t work out here, no QB would have stood a chance with what you had to endure with our sucky line and bed n breakfast offense lmfao!!!!!!!!!!! Man we destroyed this guy hope u bounce back
July 30th, 2009 at 7:52 pm
oh great I get back on and every 1 is gone… LOL
July 30th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4474166512140255558
Al Davis is 50 Cent and DHB is his Toy Soldier.
July 30th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
I suck donkey dicks
July 30th, 2009 at 7:53 pm
cant wait for full pads
July 30th, 2009 at 7:54 pm
408 – WHAT UP? You check out Bing.com?
July 30th, 2009 at 7:55 pm
Walter will join the Broncos most likely and he will beat out Orton and so on. Hope not but you can see revenge being on his mind.
July 30th, 2009 at 7:56 pm
dhb should of caught the ball anyways, don’t pro wr’s who make millions of guaranteed money make those catches anyways. its all good right now though its only the 1st practice. keep pluggin’ at it fellas.
July 30th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
hi all
July 30th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
24 yeah it was :p
July 30th, 2009 at 7:58 pm
ok i have been wanting to say the most longest time is that they need to make this site easy to get on cause i have a hell of a time trying to member my name for this thing on my computer at home
July 30th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
July 30th, 2009 at 8:00 pm
you know i dont care what walters does i love the raiders but they treat him like shit and this guy is much better than that . and you know if he gets on a team that we have to play you know he has hate for the raiders
July 30th, 2009 at 8:01 pm
Blazekush – Tim Brown dropped plenty in his day and still managed to end up 2nd in most receiving statistics.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
i dont think much of DHB cause he is kinda like that one Wideout we had a few years ago and he couldnt catch for crap
July 30th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
408 – I think Bing.com is better than any single site because it gives you so much more from so many different sites.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:04 pm
@Blaze – The money is relative to the revenue; back when the quick kick was an acceptable offensive strategy, people would yell that ‘guys being paid to play a game should make them catches…’ – same difference.
Give the kid a chance already.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:05 pm
i am not registered i have my old one from a old computer
July 30th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
walter got some good looks at it i thought after the disaster of ‘06. last year vs. carolina and s.d. he had an opportunity to show something and didn’t.he played as if already defeated constantly putting his head down coming off the field. hey i understand he didn’t get a good supporting cast to work with but this guy should of been gone a long time ago with that crap
July 30th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
24 dirty is locked up… he gets out at the end of next month… FREE DIRTY!!!
July 30th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
i hope derrick burress gets his money cause he deserves more money than that DHB
July 30th, 2009 at 8:07 pm
ADW non firearm
July 30th, 2009 at 8:08 pm
@24 – Agreed, except you sometimes get sausage.
I don’t like sausage.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Hey all, first-time poster from San Jose. Just wanted to say what’s up and look forward to talking some Raider ball this season.
24 & 408RAIDER, wondering why you guys are talking about Bing? I work w/ MS, just curious what you thought about it
July 30th, 2009 at 8:09 pm
408 – Oh…I didn’t realize he was “locked up” literally.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:10 pm
Bishop – Haha. You have to be specific in what you ask for haha.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
@Blaze: you are dead on with your assessment of Walter. He had already mentally checked out & cared less about winning or even trying. Glad to see that snatch gone.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Lmfao!!!!!!!@ narco funny as hell manW
July 30th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
Richie – 408 and I both happen to be in the San Jose area. We’re talking about the adult material available on bing.com.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
i remember tim brown being the most sure handed wr from his days here in LA and early years back in oak. he struggled with catches later in his career. i’m just f…ing around with the dhb comment. i really hope he catches on and we win some freakin more games this year
July 30th, 2009 at 8:12 pm
LOL 916… I feel ya…
Ritchie’s Forehead we love bing… Its helps with our errr research if ya know what dig..
July 30th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
“There isn’t much time before the whistle to make a play, but on one snap Jon Alston knifed through and got his hands on Darren McFadden on a sweep to the left.”
Even with no time my boy Alston is making plays!
July 30th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
Richie – To answer your question…I think Bing.com gives you more options in what you ask for compared to google. Maybe Google is more controlled or moderated than Bing I guess.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
Hey Ritchie – welcome aboard brother. I look forward to talking ball with ya over the season.
I wanted to take a moment to personally thank you, an emissary of MS, endorser of Bing, for saving my kids the trouble of having to actually go find quality pron on the internet.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:15 pm
hahaha it’s nice to be able to watch previews…a little try before you buy. That’s the best new feature
July 30th, 2009 at 8:16 pm
Awesome…Pablo Sandoval hit a homerun to McCovey Cove while McCovey himself was in the booth talking.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:17 pm
javon will finally be cut. 5 wr’s is all we need.
dhb
chazz
jlh
murphy
uhhhh damnit!
July 30th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
I’m gonna grab some dinner with the lady. Be back in awhile.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:18 pm
hey 24, how many games r the giants behind the dodgers?
July 30th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
24
I am old enough to say that I used to watch McCovey play with the Giants as a kid. My step dad had season tix. It was fun, even for a little A’s fan like myself. Can’t say the same about Niner games…
July 30th, 2009 at 8:19 pm
dinner time here too…hope to catch up w/ y’all
July 30th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Blaze – 7
July 30th, 2009 at 8:20 pm
RaiderDogg – Sweet.
Ok…Now I’m out.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
BK213
7 games back..
go A’s… sigh
July 30th, 2009 at 8:21 pm
yeah i had thought so, lol.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:22 pm
http://i380.photobucket.com/albums/oo249/the408RAIDER/raidernation.jpg
July 30th, 2009 at 8:23 pm
408
welome back, nice pic
July 30th, 2009 at 8:24 pm
dogg check the link #59….
so whats gonna happen with burgess.. I say let him sit if he wants to act like a baby…
July 30th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
i have more trust in Javon Walker than i do in DHB
July 30th, 2009 at 8:25 pm
all bs aside, i hope this is a turning point 4 us as the raider nation and be able to stick it to all the haters and the nfl, the nfl network, inside the nfl, espn and every single writer who bashes on us. being totally real i hope for a 2-4 game win improvement from last year, competing 4 the division.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:28 pm
Later NATION Ill be back!! muhahahahaha!!!
FREE DIRTY!!!
Bring back 4eva!!!!
July 30th, 2009 at 8:29 pm
What, no Priest, remarking about DHB’s excellent routs?
“At one point, passing game coordinator Ted Tollner called Heyward-Bey over told him of a mistake in a pass route.”
This is going to get ugly real fast.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:31 pm
Personally I think that Burgess is stupid. He is in a contract year, this is not the time to show other teams in the NFL your propesity for acting like a b1tch. He should be out there working his ass off, if for nothing else to show the rest of the league that he still has it.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:33 pm
propensity
sorry I forgot the N
July 30th, 2009 at 8:34 pm
fuq yeh!
July 30th, 2009 at 8:35 pm
I’m blogging. I blog!
July 30th, 2009 at 8:36 pm
If Javon would be getting off his deadweightass he would be a good asset. Right now he is a welfare receiver, taking up a roster spot.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:39 pm
When’s the first pre season game? Training camp’s boring. It’s for dorks who follow football 24/7, like Raiderdogg
July 30th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Well all is not lost, if Russell loses his starting job we could try him out on the o-line…
Somewhere Al Davis is taking this idea into consideration.
July 30th, 2009 at 8:41 pm
Go Dodgers!!! weeeeeee!!!!
July 30th, 2009 at 8:44 pm
Phone test
July 30th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
The Niners are bringing back metal legends, huey lewis and the news, to play at some games at halftime,..with mosh pit too,..cant wait!…metal kicks butt!
July 30th, 2009 at 8:53 pm
Damn, it’s times like these (Raider’s and A’s sucking) that make me appreciate Ricky Henderson even more.
Everything in our town sports related totally sucks dog balls.
Shitty teams, shitty GM’s, shitty stadium.
Should have a Ball Park for the A’s in Jack London Square, sponsored by Yahoo, the way Pacbell was done for the Giants. (Yahoo Park…fitting as Celebration is the song played after every A’s home victory…Yahoo!)
Al Davis should have looked at the stadium idea for the Raiders across the street from the OACC.
I’m ranting. Damn DHB, four balls?
July 30th, 2009 at 8:59 pm
Here’s hoping to DHB having first day jitters and no more dropsies!
GO RAIDERS!
July 30th, 2009 at 9:02 pm
I gotz the tweets! jerrymac david white, dmac, kirk morrison. its on all day oong like mu’ fu’n donkey kong!
July 30th, 2009 at 9:03 pm
Norco Bob Says:
July 30th, 2009 at 8:49 pm
The Niners are bringing back metal legends, huey lewis and the news,
………
Ha ha! Ha! Ha. Yes.
July 30th, 2009 at 9:04 pm
I like that song hip to be square. Especially where Montana and Lott start going dumb.
July 30th, 2009 at 9:06 pm
That’s funny, Oakglenn, so does mine.
July 30th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
Oh believe me Bob, I know.
July 30th, 2009 at 9:07 pm
12-4!!!
July 30th, 2009 at 9:08 pm
Oakglenn’s dyslexic. He means 4-12.
July 30th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
Alright, take it easy, Oak.
July 30th, 2009 at 9:33 pm
Get your mind out of the the gutter.
That was a PG-13 approved joke.
July 30th, 2009 at 9:35 pm
Superman wears Chuck Norris pajamas.
That is all.
July 30th, 2009 at 9:38 pm
I’ll put my mortgage, job, family, and my personal stash of bud on the line if AWalter ever does much of anything in the NFL.
Of course I also was a Kiffin (Tenn B*tch) supporter before he got fired.
One Nation Baby…
July 30th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Walter has never been a very dynamic guy and that has always bothered some people. But he is a smart kid (playing his last year at ASU as a graduate student) and, until the Raiders broke his spirit, he was a fierce competitor. At ASU his hard work and heady play won over his team and coaches. He excelled in Dirk Koetter’s passing offense because he learned it as well as its creator. I think that’s why 2006 was so tough on Walter. From some of his comments, it was apparent that he understood the failures of the offensive design and he knew he was working with a coaching staff and owner that were too stubborn to change. So, he takes a beating, then sees a dozen QBs brought into the system to replace him. Davis was done with Walter 2 years ago, but AW became another victim of the Davis mind games.
I love my raiders, but I don’t see the team showing much improvement until Davis focuses on maximizing the potential of the roster players and stops creating so many internal distractions.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/215541-andrew-walter-a-lesson-on-how-not-to-develop-a-quarterback
July 30th, 2009 at 9:57 pm
What are the odds that Javon Walker get cut before the regular season?
July 30th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
You can’t cut Walker. We need at least 1 guy with veteran experience and since we didn’t find someone else…Walker it is.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:10 pm
Funny thing is…I thought the Raiders screwed Tuiasosopo in the same way and he went to the Jets once he finally became a free agent and last only 1 year before nobody else would take him so he returned to the Raiders and didn’t last long. You just never know…maybe Walter doesn’t get very far before he comes back with a tail between his legs.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:21 pm
I was very happy when we drafted Walter, he had the size, arm, attitude, and very smart. Hard to recover from that 06 season. Look what happened to Carr!
JR is even a better talent than Walter, so let’s hope this coaching staff lasts more than next season.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
IMO, Al Davis wasn’t the one who didn’t give AW any shot at starting. I remember a coach by the name of Lane Kiffin saying he didn’t fit into his offense. I remember a coach name Lane Kiffin ignoring JLH. That same coach wouldn’t play C Johnson calling him a scholarship player said the same thing about Eugene. he wanted to cut Mario Henderson. Said he couldn’t win with Russell. Said we had no depth at WR.
Yes Al Davis may hav ekept AW too long but that’s whta this game is about getting whatever you can for any player AW was alllowed to seek a trade. If he had performed worth a damn last year maybe someone would’ve offered more than a ham sandwich for him.
Everything is Mr Davis is evil. AW got paychecks every week and when the team needed him he looked like crap. Who’s fault was that?
AW has too much talent to perform as tjhough he didn’t care, he’s the one who dampened the market for himself putting himself in a no win situation. Kiffin could’ve traded him. Hell the punk traded Randy Moss.
Also 24 you have this lve affair with Gruden right?? can’t stop thinking about him can ya’ what the hell did he do for the Raiders that Al Davis hasn’t and a helluvalot more. Well take that into cnsideration with us who saw him dominate this league for years as Raide fans. That’s why we have such respect for the man. Gruden’s contribution pale in comparison. Yet you can’t stop kising his ass.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
See it’s calmed down a bit …
Too bad for Walter, but he clearly fell out of favor with Davis. Andy got plenty of opportunities and frankly didn’t look the part.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:25 pm
Three things.
1- Shanahan warned us Walkers knee wasnt right & said he would need surgery down the line. We signed him. Our medical staff must be happy as clams about 0bam@s s0ci@lized healthc@re.
2- Andrew Walter congratluations on your release. I’ll be watching where he goes & how he does. I can see him in Denver or KC by end of the week.
3- Arman Shields, again our medical staff is right on target for Barb@ck 0b@mas healthcare.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
R8,
Where you at?! You are missing all the fun. I hope all is well with you and your family.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:26 pm
Rack me.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
I hate the Kittin!!
July 30th, 2009 at 10:28 pm
Yeah, our medical staff doesn’t have the best track record.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:30 pm
I think Cable and JR can do good things together.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Jhill,
Our Scouts too!! lol
July 30th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
Priest – You’re so passionate. Haha.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:33 pm
# Ron Says:
July 30th, 2009 at 9:56 pm
Walter has never been a very dynamic guy and that has always bothered some people. But he is a smart kid (playing his last year at ASU as a graduate student) and, until the Raiders broke his spirit, he was a fierce competitor. At ASU his hard work and heady play won over his team and coaches. He excelled in Dirk Koetter’s passing offense because he learned it as well as its creator. I think that’s why 2006 was so tough on Walter. From some of his comments, it was apparent that he understood the failures of the offensive design and he knew he was working with a coaching staff and owner that were too stubborn to change. So, he takes a beating, then sees a dozen QBs brought into the system to replace him. Davis was done with Walter 2 years ago, but AW became another victim of the Davis mind games.
I love my raiders, but I don’t see the team showing much improvement until Davis focuses on maximizing the potential of the roster players and stops creating so many internal distractions.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/215541-andrew-walter-a-lesson-on-how-not-to-develop-a-quarterback
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Not really….
AW was just not that good of a QB who came from a terrible breeding grounds for QB’s (Arizona St) in a conference that does not put out many QB’s… His PAC-10 Records are meaningless.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:34 pm
I agree, The kittin was a punk.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Darn near forgot.
A very happy 72nd. Birthday to, Buddy Guy.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:35 pm
Goodnight everyone!
July 30th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
I wonder why we have to have these type of “teaching” practices if we are running the same thing we did last year?
Hmmmm?????
July 30th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
24 Says:
July 30th, 2009 at 10:04 pm
You can’t cut Walker. We need at least 1 guy with veteran experience and since we didn’t find someone else…Walker it is.”
Cut Walker and give Amani Toomer a call…
July 30th, 2009 at 10:37 pm
909
Gotta love Buddy Guy! Happy Birthday to a Blues Legend. Thanks for reminding me.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:38 pm
Because we didnt execute worth a sh|t.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
O,
You mean the ones who found us Trevor Scott, Thomas Howard, Mario Henderson, and Louis Murphy?
July 30th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
John G was a good coach, but he wasn’t great. IMO
He was too conservative, loves older vets, and didn’t play the young guys enough.
I hated how conservative he was with his play calling.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:39 pm
Dogg, I have no problem with Toomer replacing Walker.
Good call..
July 30th, 2009 at 10:40 pm
DHB, Here’s a trick of the trade:
Stickum. Learn it, live it, love it.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
O,
Which young guys didn’t Gruden play? He inheited a old team, and did a lot with nothing.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
Jhill,
Yeah!! Also found Arman, Eric Frampton, Bing, QM, and Sulak!
July 30th, 2009 at 10:42 pm
# jhill Says:
July 30th, 2009 at 10:36 pm
I wonder why we have to have these type of “teaching” practices if we are running the same thing we did last year?
Hmmmm?????
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Wow, I guess that really is the end all , be all of all arguments
rofl…
Yes, they are taking 4 days of walkthroughs to “teach” a whole new offense no NFL player has ever seen before..
It’s going to be like the spread option, WCO, Run and Shoot, and ball control offense all wrapped into one..
It will be taught in 4 days of intense walkthroughs of plays that are blown dead in 2 seconds.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
Mista
The beauty of the Toomer idea is that he is a Bay Area guy and that may make the Raiders a bit more attractive to him.
In other news the W’s traded Bellinelli to the Raptors for Devean George. Not too sure how I feel about it, but at least I know George can play. Bellinelli rode the pine the entire time he was here.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:43 pm
# jhill Says:
July 30th, 2009 at 10:41 pm
O,
Which young guys didn’t Gruden play? He inheited a old team, and did a lot with nothing.
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They didn’t become competitive until Gruden had the personnel he wanted though!
And one of the MAJOR components that Gruden brought in that Al resisted was RICH GANNON
July 30th, 2009 at 10:44 pm
Dogg…
He’s on tour, coming to Cali in 3 weeks.
http://www.buddyguy.net
July 30th, 2009 at 10:45 pm
He didn’t play Porter enough, but Bill C used more 3 WRs sets, and that year Porter had a great season.
Gruden makes the team Old!
July 30th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Teabag do you know anything at all??
Al Davis resisted Rich Gannon??
I’ll let someone else kick you for that comment. You don’t get on this team if Mr Davis resist………..period
July 30th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
909
Buddy is always an awesome show. I saw him at the Greek a few years back with Jonny Lang. He is one of the last of the greats…
July 30th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
I didn’t say he was a bad coach, but that he is not great.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
There are so many questions surrounding this team.. And more on the defensive side of the ball. Ball control (running game) means nothing if you do not have a stud D.
I expect more of the same last year because of the personnel Raiders have on D.
You will see them sell out on the run and force Jamarcus to make the adjustments. It will be the telling sign of what direction this team is going in.
And even with an effective running game this D will keep the opponent in the game all the time. They will force us to pass to win. It is the key to success against the Raiders and has worked without fail.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:48 pm
George for Bellinelli is a wash in my view.
Toomer also is well aware of the growing pains Eli suffered as a young Qb & may not want any part of Russell/Cable in this stage of his career. Id like him on board tho. Our WR is young & needs reps so who would you cut to make room for Toomer ?
Warkins is an easy cut, who else ?
July 30th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
Watkins*
July 30th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
# preisttj Says:
July 30th, 2009 at 10:47 pm
Teabag do you know anything at all??
Al Davis resisted Rich Gannon??
I’ll let someone else kick you for that comment. You don’t get on this team if Mr Davis resist………..period
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Save the AL IS GOD talk for some other throwback that cares about the war story.
Al Davis conceded to John Gruden more than any other coach ever in the history of the Raiders.
Why was he run out of town by Al personally then?
Gruden instilled a system that WORKED and AL couldnt take a shred of credit barring the fact that he brought Gruden in and it messed with Al’s head big time.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Al Davis?
Resisted Gannon?
It’s really just ANOTHER example of Al doing what his coach wanted by bringing him in.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:52 pm
Yes, they are taking 4 days of walkthroughs to “teach” a whole new offense no NFL player has ever seen before..
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Actually, I was talking about the defense. You don’t really think we are running the same Kiffin offense we ran the past 2 years, do you? Of course we are installing a new offense.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Raider O, Gruden was a very dynamic coach who just got ahead of himself wanted too much too soon. Yeah he did play the more vet players. But truth be told he hated Jerry Porter, it was personal. I saw it up close Jerry was very immature and Gruden resented his aloofness. Gruden wants total committment and Jerry wasn’t that type.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Mista,
I say Will Franklin.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
Mista
Devean George has never met a 3 point shot he couldn’t take. Now if he could just make them.
Excellent point on the Eli thing. I do think Toomer is a class act and would be a huge upgrade over Javegas Walker.
Have a good night, I’m out
July 30th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
# jhill Says:
July 30th, 2009 at 10:50 pm
Al Davis?
Resisted Gannon?
It’s really just ANOTHER example of Al doing what his coach wanted by bringing him in.
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Yea, sure…
Because we all know what the end result was.
2002
Bent over by the Bucs.
By the man himself.
Karma bites Al Davis in the ass AGAIN. The year before it was the Refs hosing Al in the snow job.
Now everybody just laughs at the man.
Quite sad if you ask me.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:54 pm
R U serious Teabag?
Al offered Gruden a 3 year extension which Gruden rejected. Gruden and his camp worked out the deal to go to Tampa.
What are you talking about?
July 30th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
Priest,
By Al’s own admission he has let coaches lobby for players he didnt care for & signed them. As well he has let coaches part with players like T Brown & Moss whom liked VERY much.
Get your facts straight before you start questioning others intelligence.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:55 pm
24 says he wanted Craptree.(192 previous post)you got him.your whiners drafted him in the 1st round.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:56 pm
Yes Priest… I will let you tell it…
Gruden did not want to play Porter who was one of AL’s famour transformation projects!!
Porter was a classic AL pick..
Now, Gruden MIGHT have had an argument saying that the system benefited Porter very much.. But AL wasnt about to let his coach killer of a talent get in the way of a sucesful team was he?
Nope! Because Jerry Porter was a STUD by all means!!!! OMG.
so… I will let the rest of Jerry Porters surefire HOF career speak for itself after the Gruden era.
*snickers*
July 30th, 2009 at 10:57 pm
BHP,
John was a good coach, but not as great as some here like to think.
July 30th, 2009 at 10:58 pm
Al Davis?
Resisted Gannon?
It’s really just ANOTHER example of Al doing what his coach wanted by bringing him in.
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Yea, sure…
Because we all know what the end result was.
2002
Bent over by the Bucs.
By the man himself.
Karma bites Al Davis in the ass AGAIN. The year before it was the Refs hosing Al in the snow job.
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Not sure how that relates to what we were talking about. Gruden wanted Gannon, and Al Davis brought him in.
Karma? What are you really mad about?
July 30th, 2009 at 10:59 pm
Raider O, I know they think that Gruden’s ass is lined in gold.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:00 pm
Dude, Gruden turned down an extension for 3 more years under ALS TERMS after Gruden brought them back from irrelevance
July 30th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
How did Gruden want too much, too soon?
July 30th, 2009 at 11:01 pm
Will Franklin was he in the top 6 anyway O ? Holland, Watkins, and Franklin are all on the bubble you could cut any of them without blinking an eye.
JLH
BEY
SHILENS
MURPHY
WALKER
?
July 30th, 2009 at 11:02 pm
It doesn’t matter what the terms were, he wanted him to stay for 3 more years. He wasn’t trying to run him out of town.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
And Hill what I was trying to say is your point of ANOTHER example of Al conceding to his coach is irrelevant because he STILL wanted his hands over the final product..
So ultimately the samll little token that eventually led to Gruden getting his word with bringing Gannon in is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things…
and the end result..
understand now?
July 30th, 2009 at 11:03 pm
Why do yall convers w oakglenn when he is kin to Tony Pigagosa?
July 30th, 2009 at 11:04 pm
I think that Al and Gruden should have worked it out. Gruden did want too much power, and I actually say that about all these coaches who think they should have player personell power. What the heck do you have a GM for then? It has never worked from Holmgren, to Parcells, etc.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:05 pm
BHP,
I don’t like BB, but a cheater coach would make a great combo with Al. lol
July 30th, 2009 at 11:07 pm
He was the OWNER he gave a young inexperienced coach who made a lot of mistakes a chance and gave him what he needed to win. Gruden was just too anxious to understand that what he wanted would eventually come but he could’nt sit still long enough to get it.
Sometimes patience is a virtue.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Ok… so let’s talk about that..
I dont agree with a Coach/GM..
and I definitely don’t agree with an 80 year old Owner/GM either.
so, the logical choice would be to just hire a regular, football savvy GM and let him just do what he does!
Instead of Al looking for his next scrap heap reclamation project.. Or his next combine freak or “off the bus” goon.
He should be looking for a hard nosed GM with a nose for talent.
And let THEM find the personnel..
Ron Wolf.. he was not a fluke.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Gotcha Teabag …
But of course the owner is going to have his hands on the product. And Gruden knew this before he signed up. If you look at the way Gruden is kissing the Raiders arse right now, it’s pretty clear he realizes he made a youthful mistake. All Gruden had to do was finish what he was starting and he would have been here forever. Could’ve wrote his own ticket.
I actually hope he comes back if for some reason Cable doesn’t work out.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:09 pm
and that crack addict Norco Bob
July 30th, 2009 at 11:11 pm
When he hired Gruden ove Bill I was pissed it didn’t make any sense to me. we needed the disciplne that Bill would’ve brought. Instead he hired this ingrate who fell in love with himself. We made Gruden I mean the Raider fans with chuckie crap and made him feel like a king. Then he spit in our face. We used to show up after every road trip at the airport that’s when the Raider Nation was born. And Gruden thought it was silly wanted no part of it. So we turned on him.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
I think the only real mistakes that Al has made is how he’s handled the coaching situation, starting with Gruden. And that mistake is not paying them. Open up the wallet and give your head coach top $. I liken it to the Lakers bringing in PJ. We are the Raiders man, and it’s time to bring in a bona fide coach (if Cable doesn’t work that is). No more on the job training with promoting LB coaches to DC, and former OCs getting the HC job. We need an experienced HEAD COACH with a winning resume, and that is going to cost chips.
I have no problem with Al and his draft picks. I think this team is loaded with young talent. The best drafting GMs miss just as much as Al has.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
Isn’t it amazing how Priest claims to know all the inner workings of the Raider organzation as if he is sitting next to AL when all the BIG decisions are being made. Priest is right there for AL to lean on in tough times aren’t you Priest?
lmao
July 30th, 2009 at 11:15 pm
kelly u awake
July 30th, 2009 at 11:17 pm
Gruden and Allen left the team old and on the downside.for years after they left,the Raiders tried to stay competitive by signing older free agents.it obviously didn’t work-hence 6 straight double digit losing seasons.a couple of years ago,our incompetent gm saw it wasn’t working and started rebuilding through the draft.now we have a good nucleus of younger players yet people complain.the man is doing what most want,they just don’t approve of the players he is doing it with.some will never be satisfied.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
I do agree that we need to fill that GM position though. I think Al is just looking for someone he can trust. That’s why I think this Cable thing just might work itself out. I think that’s why Ryan was kept around so long. Simply b/c he was the only one of the recent staffs that was loyal, and who Al trusted.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:19 pm
Jhill, no argument there except money. I think people forget that Mr Davis actually aigned Tony Dungy to a contract offer. Also Petrino and Payton to big money contracts 35 mill+ they didn’t come.
He has also asked his friend Parcells to take the job but Bill doesn’t wnat to work on the west coast. He’s offered big money to several coaches. The one he had in Bill Belichik he should’ve DONE IT………..period
July 30th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
This just in from the Associated Press:
DHB’s drops dont concern Oakland Raiders GM extraordinaire Priest. Afterall Priest watched film (youtube) highlights and has assessed the situation & feels that DHB is more talented than Raider great Tim Brown.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Can you imagine how isolated a 80 yr old man in a wheelchair is?
July 30th, 2009 at 11:21 pm
Rocky Raccoon, tip any garbage cans over lately?
July 30th, 2009 at 11:22 pm
Can you imagine how isolated a 80 yr old man in a wheelchair is?
The logistics don’t work.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:23 pm
35 Million?
To who?
I NEVER saw that. If Sean Payton would’ve been offered 7 million a year as a guy who never had any HC experience, I highly doubt he passes that up.
When did we make an offer to Tony Dungy?
July 30th, 2009 at 11:24 pm
Jhill is a fact, he offered the mney 38 mill over 6 years and Sean Payton signed the contract and backed out the next day. It’s a fact
Ask Jerry!
July 30th, 2009 at 11:25 pm
Jhill, you dont know about Dungy ?????????
Me either, see post 153.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:27 pm
hey kelly u pull that muddy dildoe out of your azz yet?
July 30th, 2009 at 11:28 pm
I’d like to know if White and Jerry will be counting how many balls are caught by DHB as well as how many drops he has.
I hope they only count the dropped balls that are CATCHABLE also.
I hope these clowns just don’t end up speaking up when DHB drops a ball and not give him credit for how many catches he makes.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Mr Davis knows experienced coaches cost big money nothing new. If Cable had not been the interum coach and the players liking him. Either Fassel or Gilbride would be the HC of the Oakland Raiders. Continuity and Cable’s enthusiasm for the job along with the results from the end of the season tipped the scales. Also the front office genuinely like Cable.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
Payton did NOT sign a contract. If he did there would be no backing out of it. He agreed in principle & changed his mind.
Priest never lets facts get in the way of things..
July 30th, 2009 at 11:31 pm
DKnight, read Steve Corkran if you want a real objective viewpoint.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
Good night Gents. Later Nation.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:32 pm
put the bottle to my head and pull the trigger!
July 30th, 2009 at 11:33 pm
Cable is exactly like Madden was.let’s hope he is as successful.people who dog Cable don’t know Raider history.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
Because as you ALL know Priest is always choppin it up with the front office, picking their brains and getting feedback on daily issues. Making coffee, filing paperwork, counting paper clips, janitorial doodiees, etc etc….U know!
# preisttj Says:
July 30th, 2009 at 11:29 pm
Also the front office genuinely like Cable.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:34 pm
You’re right Mista, it was Petrino who actually signed. When Payton was here he wa too petrified of Mr Davis he was like a deer in headlights. He agreed and then called and backed out.
But Petrino actually signed.
Sorry mod I’ll slow down. Thanks!
July 30th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
I hope that White and Jerry will be counting how many balls are caught by DHB as well as how many drops he has.
I hope they only count the dropped balls that are CATCHABLE also.
I hope these clowns just don’t end up speaking up when DHB drops a ball and not give him credit for how many catches he makes.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Oakglenn, you know you’re a psycho, right?
http://www.mentalhealth.com/dis/p20-pe04.html
I hope you don’t hurt anybody.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:36 pm
I just find that hard to believe Priest. Not impossible, but just hard to believe.
And if so, why would he offer that to a coach who had never been in that spot before? That would have been a bad move.
Same with Gilbride. Never had success at that spot before. I want someone like Cowher, Gruden, Dungy, or Billick.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:39 pm
Raider O, nite buddy!
July 30th, 2009 at 11:40 pm
Oakglenn
Anti-Social Personality Disorder.
Check it out, Mayo Clinic
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/antisocial-personality-disorder/DS00829
July 30th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
he “drops” in for practice huh? nice one Jerr.
welcome to the NFL DHB! we have the pieces together now just imagine this team next year! in two years!
and prIEst, please spellcheck your name.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:41 pm
I dont think Petrino signed either but i’ll quit while I’m ahead.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:44 pm
Jhill, you think you do, Cowher would put you to sleep. If I could have any coach the only coach I would take in a heartbeat is Jimmy Johnson. Whom Big Al tried to hire before he hired Norvell Turner. But he doesn’t want to coach again.
I just think the only coach that Mr Davis fired that was a real mistake I said it before and I’ll continue to say it was Mike Shanahan. He never should’ve fired him based on the reasons that he did. He listened to Howie Long and others who wanted Art Shell.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:47 pm
B@rback 0bamas “job” stimulus funding undergr0und p0rn!
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535608,00.html
Change you can believe in!
July 30th, 2009 at 11:48 pm
I already know young man, I spell it that way due to the fact that the correct way was taken.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:50 pm
Mista pick your players, you always have a ton to say about my player assesment let’s compare talent evaluation.
If you’re scared, say your scared I’ll understand.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Jerry, you are the flippin’ best!
Apreciate your work!
July 30th, 2009 at 11:52 pm
183. FOX”NEWS”? You’ve got to be kidding right? Everyone and their dog knows thats part of a Republican prpaganda network.
Sheesh…
July 30th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
Oakglenn
This is you to a Tee:
I don’t know about the child abuse, though. But your behavior here.
Signs and symptoms of antisocial personality disorder may include:
Disregard for right and wrong
Persistent lying or deceit
Using charm or wit to manipulate others
Recurring difficulties with the law
Repeatedly violating the rights of others
Child abuse or neglect
Intimidation of others
Aggressive or violent behavior
Lack of remorse about harming others
Impulsive behavior
Agitation
Poor or abusive relationships
Irresponsible work behavior
July 30th, 2009 at 11:53 pm
got it ptj.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:54 pm
Pick players for what ?
July 30th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
MistaBrown both Petino and Payton were scared of Al Davis same as Norv. they have too much respect for him while Gruden and Kiffin didn’t have enough.
Tom cable is the right guy for the job. And Jimmy Johnson and Bill’s Parcells and Belichik are friends of his. You can’t coach for him if you’re scared, he hates that.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:55 pm
Clank or not I’m excited as **** about Bey as a Raider.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Well you seem to think I don’t know what I’m talking about when I speak on players so I thought of a little game we’ll pick rookie players NOT the same player and see who knows what. You up for it?
July 30th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Nnamdi its in the stimulus bill. I know you dont want to believe it because you’re one of those suckers who is going hook line and sinker for s0ciali$m.
Most of America is waking up to this nightmare, you can stay asleep if you want I couldn’t care less.
July 30th, 2009 at 11:59 pm
Priest are you 12 years old ?
lmao
July 31st, 2009 at 12:00 am
The Neo-People reflexively bark S0clalism like Pavlov’s dog.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:01 am
Just pick your players and we’ll see who knows players and who doesn’t. Everytime I look in here you’re raging on me. So you must know better right?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:01 am
Nnamdi the title of the film our tax d0llars paid for is called “Thundercrack”. I know you think FOX made this up because your head is firmly planted in your liberal a$$ but heres the link for the actual movie.
Tard!
http://www.frameline.org/festival/film/detail.aspx?id=1781&FID=45
July 31st, 2009 at 12:02 am
The Neo-People reflexively bark S0clalism like Pavlov’s dog.
Especially the poor ones.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:02 am
KK-there are some things we see totally eye to eye.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:05 am
Mistabrown Says:
July 30th, 2009 at 11:57 pm
Nnamdi its in the stimulus bill. I know you dont want to believe it because you’re one of those suckers who is going hook line and sinker for s0ciali$m.
Most of America is waking up to this nightmare, you can stay asleep if you want I couldn’t care less.
==============================
Didn’t say I didn’t believe it, I just don’t f***ing care.
I’m not one of the suckers who sold this country to the CHINeSE.
Waking up? What the **** have you been doing for the last 12 years while Reps rap-ed this country?
There is absolutely NO denying the atrocites commited by the last admin.
Don’t accuse me of being blind.
Its people like YOU who refuse to listen to facts and the TRUTH that helped bring about this mess.
We ever find those WMD’s?
Didn’t think so…
Wake up?
PLEEEEEEEEASE!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 12:05 am
MistaBrown and Dude always attacking the Preisttj, so here’s your chance to shut me up.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:06 am
Heres the full article with links for you head in the sand knuckleheads.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,535608,00.html
July 31st, 2009 at 12:06 am
199. Word.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:06 am
Nothing to brag about Lefty.
# lefty12 Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:02 am
KK-there are some things we see totally eye to eye.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:12 am
Nnamdi, people like you dont care that a job stimulus was wasted on things like p0rn & marsh mouses, turtle crossings, etc etc but people out of work care. Families losing their homes care that our tax dollars were pissed away by some brain dead marxist.
The chinese are buying DEBT created by this moron and worried we cant pay them back because this moron is still trying to spend.
We never heard the word “trillion” in regard to debt until this wreckless prick took office.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:13 am
G’night
As always I have the last word!
July 31st, 2009 at 12:13 am
Again, Moronica, FOX NEWS?!!!
Listen up drater, if you bothered to look you’d see every **** lick in Washington tries to tie some kind of pork barrel, bs peronalized rider onto anything with significant dollar value that might get passed.
There are always all manner of ridiculous concesions politicians and lobbiests try to slip through.
Some of them actually do, yet you chose to hang your hat on that measley peice of garbage to bolster your view on c-ommie demo’s in the white h-ouse.
Pathetic.
Listen up.
Compassion, reason, logic.
I’m still working on all 3. Its a life long process after a life timeof media programming to the contrary.
Gather as much info as you can on a given subject from as diverse sources as possible and then begin deducing down to what likely is the truth instead of vomiting up the propaganda Republi-can spin doctors crate to obfuscate, inveigle and distort to cover the truth of what thier doing.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:13 am
Priest-just one question,are you picking position vs position-ie. de vs de or just 2 different players-ie. wr vs dt?i’m not a draftnik but i like your idea and would like to put it to others-just for the fun of it.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:17 am
206. We never heard the word “trillion” in regard to debt until this wreckless prick took office.
===================================
No no, YOU never heard the word.
For chrise sakes use your computer for more than beat Off material!
It was BUSH who left office with TEN TRILLON DOLLARS IN DEBT!!!
http://newsminer.com/news/2009/feb/22/bushs-debt/
“I wonder where the outrage was when President Bush, in his eight years in office, left us with a national debt of $10.7 trillion dollars, a 84 percent increase.”
July 31st, 2009 at 12:18 am
KK, Lefty12 and Nnamdi are you guy’s really surprised at this? They couldn’t wait to dump the problems of the last 20 on him. How long has he been in office, the nerve of that N to take that office.
Same’ol same’ol these bigots will never change. If you don’t grow with progress it will roll right over you.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:18 am
well,goodnite all.it was good after all the garbage that went on earlier today and this evening.hope registration isn’t lost forever,this place goes to the dogs without it.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:18 am
Mistabrown Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:13 am
G’night
As always I have the last word!
============================
Stick your head back in the sand.
Perfect.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:19 am
Here, Here!
July 31st, 2009 at 12:20 am
Pearls b4 the swine…
Preist, thanks and enjoy.
Have a good night!
Konnichiwa Bishes!
July 31st, 2009 at 12:22 am
lefty12, I’ll let MistaBrown make the rules. As long as they are fair and provide equal oppportnuity to the contestants.
Position for position is a great idea but if he’s uncomfortable with it I’ll go another way. He can Take Stafford or Sanchez.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:25 am
Priest,he’ll never take you up on it.i doubt many would-it would make them accountable.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:37 am
Lefty12, I know that’s my point it’s very easy to run your damn mouth when your ass aint on the line.
Make accusations that are unfounded, and yet hold someone responsible for them. They wont even have the monetary liabillity but they’re still scared.
But he can run his mouth about what I don’t know.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:54 am
@Mista 198 – thanks now I’m flagged, somewhere, by someone…
@Mnamdi 210 – debt is different than deficit,… we are projecting a $1.75 trillion deficit, which is bay’ad, m’kay?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:55 am
My apologies for the bad south park reference.
G’nite all.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:02 am
Running my mouth??
Okay if you insist, I’ll take Mitchell.
Who you got Peda-Preisttj???
July 31st, 2009 at 1:16 am
Neither KK, a troll, nor any non-troll AL-hater has taken that challenge.
Where each of AL’s picks were taken…they can take any ONE player that was still on the board when DHB was taken….then the same thing where MM was picked…and so on down the line.
I even kept it simple, and said I’d keep AL’s picks, even with Sulak out of the picture…and they still haven’t taken the challenge.
Instead…they want to name MULTIPLE names in those spots, rather than be held accountable when ONE pick doesn’t work out for them.
No…if AL’s picks ended up being better than theirs through camp, the season and beyond…it would be horrible…even if the team was better for it.
One player per pick. Sounds simple!
July 31st, 2009 at 2:10 am
I have a challenge for all of you.
Calculate the time you have wasted here in the past year – babbling about your tired point of views.
Get a life.
Just Win Baby.
July 31st, 2009 at 4:32 am
mornin’ nation…
it is a brand new raider day !!!
let the games begin…
July 31st, 2009 at 5:12 am
23.5 million guaranteed waste of money. DHB signs, and on the first play he tries to make, ball drops to the ground. This is a total bust of a player!!! I am still so pissed off about this draft pick. He can’t catch!!!
Watch the film on this guy, it is a struggle to catch the ball. He will be gone after the guaranteed money is done. Please, please, please, Higgins, Chaz, and Murphy do something to help me forget this 1st round draft pick. Can you say Jessie Hester or Rickey Dudley? Common, we know that this is going to be a total disaster, especially when Crabtree starts to catch everything thrown at him. THIS IS FOOTBALL, NOT TRACK!!!
Pissed off Raider fan!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 5:39 am
I don’t like to hear “DHB” & “drops” in the same sentance!
July 31st, 2009 at 5:40 am
Andrew Walter is free!
July 31st, 2009 at 5:46 am
Good Morning Nation! Happy Friday!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 5:54 am
good morning Hwnrdr, Pete, Chuck …
July 31st, 2009 at 5:59 am
Morning nation,
Cant post much today but!!!!!
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!!!
STANFORD ROUTT??!!?!??!?!??!?!?!
GOOO DHB!!!!!!!!!!
Bye Andrew thanks man good luck!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 5:59 am
“Didn’t get no balls before I got out there,’’ Heyward-Bey said. “That’s not good. But coach was like, `Go out there.’ And after that play it was like, `Well, you didn’t get any balls. He was like, `OK, that was my fault.
————–
I’ve always thought that colleges should teach ONE last class before a good athlete goes into the draft/pros/world. That class should be GRAMMAR!!!!
It only reflects on YOUR college when an athlete goes to your school for 4 years & can’t speak decent english when many end up on TV saying “I ain’t got no….!” Just one last class before they hit the world, sheesh…
July 31st, 2009 at 6:00 am
Let me know what the Raider Nation thinks about DHB…
I still believe he is a total bust!!! Someone try to change my mind.
memo to Al Davis: Please draft football players and not track stars!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 6:03 am
TW: Russell is the most intelligent QB in the league, whether he speaks decent english or not. Same with Heyward-Bey at WR
If you disagree, that makes you racist (Kell’s philosophy)
racist pig!
July 31st, 2009 at 6:04 am
good morning OAKlifer, TW …
“Cant post much today”
me neither. I’ll be away from my desk most of the day. Why are fridays & mondays always slammed?
July 31st, 2009 at 6:04 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S, DHB-DROP’S-HAMSTRING, ARE THING’S NOT GOOD TO HERE IN SAME SENTENCE ROCKSTAR..
July 31st, 2009 at 6:08 am
Anyone dropping balls, i don’t want to hear, unless it was good defense! Anyways…getting closer!
July 31st, 2009 at 6:09 am
good morning Dirt Lot …
I’d rather see headlines, such as:
1. DHB catches on with Raiders
2. DHB catches up to speed at camp
3. DHB catches everything in sight!
July 31st, 2009 at 6:10 am
GOOD POINT RAIDER-TW, POST-231. BUT IT IS MORE A REFLECTION OF SYSTEM IN GENERAL, A PERSON SHOULD BE ABLE TO READ-WRITE AND COMMUNICATE, LONG B4 THEY GET TO COLLAGE IMO
July 31st, 2009 at 6:20 am
where’s BSJ?
i need to find out if Southwick’s plane landed in Minny yet …
July 31st, 2009 at 6:21 am
Andrew Walter will end up in New England or Jacksonville …
July 31st, 2009 at 6:22 am
Arman Shields will be working at the mall selling cell phones, like Tatum Bell …
July 31st, 2009 at 6:24 am
Mornin’ DIRT-LOT , RR, all I’m saying is the COLLEGE should be concerned because next to his name as he’s butchering the english language is where he went to school for 4 years or more. It really has nothing to do with intelligence or race. The college should be imbarassed over it. If I’m racist (I know your kidding RR) someone show tell my girlfriend, she’s from Liberia. Hell, she’s racist against americans, sometimes!! lol
July 31st, 2009 at 6:26 am
That would be embarassed and should!
More coffee, and yes I did go to college and me expect to talk purty one day!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 6:27 am
gf from Liberia in Denver? whoa!
I thought girls there wore flannel shirts and refused to smile, because of missing teeth?
isn’t that the case in Oregon too, OAKlifer?
July 31st, 2009 at 6:31 am
RR, you’re thinking of Boulder: hairy legs, frizzy hair, faded Levi’s. Do you know the difference between a Rhino & a lesb!an? The flannel shirt!
July 31st, 2009 at 6:33 am
Now for something completely different:
Mom to be sentenced today in drunken breastfeeding case
Police say the 26-year-old mother was “extremely intoxicated” while breast-feeding her 6-week-old. She’ll be sentenced on a charge of child neglect.
July 31st, 2009 at 6:34 am
Do you know the difference between a Rhino & a lesb!an? The flannel shirt!
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LOL. Very Nice!
sorry for the misunderstanding. I was told that all the guys in Colorado look like Larry the Cable Guy and all the girls there look like Rosie O’Donnell …
July 31st, 2009 at 6:35 am
I HEAR YOU TW.I REMEMBER DEXTER MANLEY NOT BEING ABLE TO WRITE AS A PRO FOOTBALL PLAYER AND PEOPLE BLAMING THE COLLAGE HE WENT TO. COLLAGE MY ARS, WHAT WAS WRONG WITH HIS 3RD GRADE TEACHER WHEN HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN LEARNING TO WRITE AND SPEAK,OFCOURSE WE ALL KNOW ATHLETE’S GET SPECIAL ATTENTION..
July 31st, 2009 at 6:35 am
O, this one is for you;
Man uses meat cleaver to fight off robber in gorilla suit
The man said the attacker ran out of his business with the cleaver stuck in the suit — and without any money.
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Dunkin’ Donuts worker uses lit cigarette to stop bank bag theft
The employee burned the would-be thief with a lit cigarette during a struggle over the bank bag, which caused the assailant to let go.
Bring back smoking in public places!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 6:35 am
I agree with Dirt Lot on communication should be taught way before entering college. But you have a point there, TW with LSU should be embarrassed if one leaves the school and not know how to talk/communicate!
Rockstar: That’s the headlines I want to see, too!
July 31st, 2009 at 6:36 am
i’ve just spent the last five minutes looking for an intelligent comment…
clearly an exercise in futility…
July 31st, 2009 at 6:39 am
I think of dhb like willie mays hayes , ” You can run fast but you play like sh@@!
July 31st, 2009 at 6:39 am
preisttj Says:
July 30th, 2009 at 10:24 pm
IMO, Al Davis wasn’t the one who didn’t give AW any shot at starting. I remember a coach by the name of Lane Kiffin saying he didn’t fit into his offense. I remember a coach name Lane Kiffin ignoring JLH. That same coach wouldn’t play C Johnson calling him a scholarship player said the same thing about Eugene. he wanted to cut Mario Henderson. Said he couldn’t win with Russell. Said we had no depth at WR.
Yes Al Davis may hav ekept AW too long but that’s whta this game is about getting whatever you can for any player AW was alllowed to seek a trade. If he had performed worth a damn last year maybe someone would’ve offered more than a ham sandwich for him.
Everything is Mr Davis is evil. AW got paychecks every week and when the team needed him he looked like crap. Who’s fault was that?
AW has too much talent to perform as tjhough he didn’t care, he’s the one who dampened the market for himself putting himself in a no win situation. Kiffin could’ve traded him. Hell the punk traded Randy Moss.
Also 24 you have this lve affair with Gruden right?? can’t stop thinking about him can ya’ what the hell did he do for the Raiders that Al Davis hasn’t and a helluvalot more. Well take that into cnsideration with us who saw him dominate this league for years as Raide fans. That’s why we have such respect for the man. Gruden’s contribution pale in comparison. Yet you can’t stop kising his ass.
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Good post by Priest…
July 31st, 2009 at 6:40 am
Dunkin’ Donuts worker uses lit cigarette to stop bank bag theft
The employee burned the would-be thief with a lit cigarette during a struggle over the bank bag, which caused the assailant to let go.
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Dunkin’ Donuts allowed thier employees to smoke on the job? how disgusting! I’m never going there again …
Q: is that sprinkles?
A: no, thats ash from my cig. sorry dude
July 31st, 2009 at 6:46 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 6:20 am
where’s BSJ?
i need to find out if Southwick’s plane landed in Minny yet …
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You mean Larry King’s plane?
July 31st, 2009 at 6:48 am
There is a great picture out there somewhere of Dexter Manley, pre-busted as an illiterate, “reading” the Wall Street Journal.
July 31st, 2009 at 6:49 am
All I ever read about DHB is that he drops passes.
I have a bad feeling about this.
I wish we had drafted Eugene Monroe.
July 31st, 2009 at 6:50 am
Wow, RR, I beleive you’re thinking of Texas, I lived there also! Women from Colo:
Jessica Biel
Pam Grier
Eve Torres
Sheryl Lee
July 31st, 2009 at 6:52 am
So, what do the women look like in Podunk? lol
July 31st, 2009 at 6:55 am
Ohhh yeah morning nation!!! It is indeed a HAPPY FRIDAY!!!!!!!!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 6:56 am
I heard that too, Kirk. That was why I was a little upset about DHB being the pick. But hey, Al loves speed, and no one can deny that he’s fast! I just hope that our staff can work on that dropped pass thing with him. I say everytime he drops a pass, catchable or not (as long as its in the area), make him run laps.
July 31st, 2009 at 6:57 am
THE WOMEN IN CUTBACK MONTANA ARE “FINE” I TELL YA…
July 31st, 2009 at 7:00 am
DHB was one of the most sought after WR’s in the country when he left both HS and college. If the Raiders didn’t take him, and say the Giants grabbed him in the early 20’s instead of Nicks, the New York media would be singing his praises as the heir apparent to Plax. His college production is right in line, almost to a T, with what Marvin Harrison did in Syracuse, in one less year. Teams double-teamed all through college, yet he still found ways to rip off 70 yard rushes on reverses and such.
His best game last year was against the 2nd round pick of the Bronco’s from Wake Forest, he also caught a few balls on Thompson of Cal, who will be one of the top 3-4 DB’s taken next year. The guy can flat-out play, is a hard-worker, and is being unfairly scrutinized, because the Raiders don’t know how to manage a draft. Not the kids fault, he may not be a HOF, but he will have some games where he is the best WR on the field, no doubt in my mind.
July 31st, 2009 at 7:03 am
My tailgates this season will have wine, cheese, ooooh and some strawberry chanpagne,…cute pretzels shaped like hearts…and my favorite,…chippendales dancers!!!…..oooooohhhhheeeeee I just got wet down there!!!!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 7:08 am
*sniff* Im so sorry that for the ten years I been bloggin here that I was fibbing bout my team,..I bleed red n gold…nothing finer then to be a Niner!!!…………feels so good to be free and open!!!! and Im proud to be gay!!! *kisses*
July 31st, 2009 at 7:11 am
GREAT MORNING NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HEYWARD-BEY SIGHNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 7:12 am
HEY Norco Bob!!!
Sup Bro!?!?!?
July 31st, 2009 at 7:14 am
THE AUTUMN WIND HAS ARRIVED !!!
July 31st, 2009 at 7:16 am
Bend me over 4eva baby!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 7:19 am
Man dude,I GOT A FEELING THIS IS THE YEAR WE RETURN 2 RESPECTABILITY,IMO!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 7:21 am
This blog is doubtless the most popular at IBA, and they choose the opening of camp as the time to replace the server and let the trolls out of the dungeon.
Is the newspaper biz so bad they hire monkeys to manage the IT dept?
July 31st, 2009 at 7:25 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1doAFxdxlRQ&feature=fvw
When I watch this clip, I know it is just the highlights but still, I see a guy who doesn’t strugle to catch the ball, WITH HIS HANDS not his chest, is a great open-field runner, and who was faster than anyone else on the field. Why wouldn’t that translate to the NFL?
July 31st, 2009 at 7:28 am
4eva…how’s it going? Welcome Back!
July 31st, 2009 at 7:31 am
morning Vegas =)
thankx 4 da clip on dhb.Man talk about some one being able 2 get seperation bey is da man,imo
with our receivers and rb’s ,there should be NO STOPPING US!!!!!!!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 7:31 am
Great pick MistaBrown, I’ll take Aaron Curry
MistaBrown selects in the 1st rnd Mike Mitchell
Preisttj selects Aaron Curry
It’s on folks!!
Your pick MistaBrown……..
July 31st, 2009 at 7:32 am
VERY GOOD Hwnrdr,bro
and yourself?!?!?!
July 31st, 2009 at 7:33 am
Why wouldn’t that translate to the NFL?
It will, vegas raider, put some gloves on him. Those NFL gloves are almost as good as stickem. They’re like the texture of a cat’s tounge, the ball just grabs the glove.
July 31st, 2009 at 7:33 am
vegas raider Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:00 am
The guy can flat-out play, is a hard-worker, and is being unfairly scrutinized
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Couldn’t agree more… Poor kid was probably sh*ting his pants as he went up to catch his first pass as a millionaire. With all the media watching, knowing if he drops it he’s gonna get slain because of the jersey he is wearing. Even the Lions and Rams are more respected in the media, but neither of those teams have been much better than the Raiders as of late. Come on, Chris Long #2???? I think that was the worst draft pick by any team in the last 10 years…
July 31st, 2009 at 7:34 am
my lap-top is wire-less and i moved out of range so I’m at library right now.maybe get a land-line run 4 da start of season
July 31st, 2009 at 7:34 am
Not bad 4eva, not bad at all. Just returned from Hawaii last Saturday…still feeling the effects of being home for the first time in 2 years, but it was nice to see my parents nad the rest of the family. Now, back to life!
July 31st, 2009 at 7:38 am
sounds WONDERFUL Hwnrdr!!! I’m glad you had a GREAT TIME!!! Did you tell your folks DA NATION sends it’s respect???
July 31st, 2009 at 7:40 am
All is right in the world. Welcome back Lamar! Hello DHB…catch the fugging ball.
July 31st, 2009 at 7:42 am
RaiderTW Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 5:59 am
“Didn’t get no balls before I got out there,’’ Heyward-Bey said. “That’s not good. But coach was like, `Go out there.’ And after that play it was like, `Well, you didn’t get any balls. He was like, `OK, that was my fault.
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I’ve always thought that colleges should teach ONE last class before a good athlete goes into the draft/pros/world. That class should be GRAMMAR!!!!
It only reflects on YOUR college when an athlete goes to your school for 4 years & can’t speak decent english when many end up on TV saying “I ain’t got no….!” Just one last class before they hit the world, sheesh…
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He wasn’t speaking at the United Nations. It was a post practice news conference. If you want to see an embarrassing use of the English language….look no further than the previous President’s new conferences
July 31st, 2009 at 7:44 am
New Chicago Bears quarterback Jay Cutler(notes) and star linebacker Brian Urlacher(notes) shot down reports of a rift, saying they’re simply not true.
“There’s nothing between us,” Cutler said Thursday, when he reported to training camp. “I just want to put that to rest. There never has been anything between us.”
Urlacher added: “I never said what I was quoted as saying and that’s it. I have a lot of respect for Jay. I think Jay knows that.”
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Did Urlacher call cutler a p*ssy? Or did he call him Cuntler?
July 31st, 2009 at 7:46 am
If you want to see an embarrassing use of the English language….look no further than the previous President’s new conferences
couldnt have said it any berrer myself!!!
morning SnB =)
July 31st, 2009 at 7:46 am
If you want to see an embarrassing use of the English language….look no further than the previous President’s new conferences
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Yeah, & he went to Harvard & Yale? Waht a d0uche!
July 31st, 2009 at 7:47 am
betteR
July 31st, 2009 at 7:50 am
I thought girls there wore flannel shirts and refused to smile, because of missing teeth?
isn’t that the case in Oregon too, OAKlifer?
LOL @ that well in some parts !!1 Gales Creek or Banks maybe!!! LOL But in portland and Bend its like a little Cali here bro lots of fine women runnin around!!!
LOL N@rco bobbies shill who would want to emulate that DOPE!!!!
RAIDER ON
PLAYOFFBOUND!!!!
HENDERSON TO THE PROBOWL!!!!!!!!!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 7:51 am
…On a recent flight from New Mexico , a steward attired in Raider garb told me that Andrew Walter’s father is a pilot for Southwest Airlines…
… This steward claims that Head Coach Art Shell actually fell asleep during a team meeting that was led by none other than he -of- the -increasingly -heavier- drool -towel- Al Davis …
…nice…
July 31st, 2009 at 7:52 am
Dakota Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:40 am
All is right in the world. Welcome back Lamar!
Good job Mr. Bus and congrats Dakota barring an “imjury” we will see ya in the WCF!!!!!!
Come Rise With Us!!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 7:53 am
DHB will be fine, I’m not sure how things will play ut over his rookie year. But this kid much more than a trackstar. Give him time to settle in and I doubt you’ll be disapponted. We couldn’t have picked a better person and a harder worker. His comments after signing say’s what type of person he is. On the other hand we have another guy on the othe side of the Bay who believes he should be paid as if he were drafted 5 picks higher than he actually was. Yet we have those who would prefer him.
How ’bout we let this year play out before we deem DHB a mistake and Crabtree the best thing since sliced bread.
You’re up Mista!! BTW I liked your pick of Mitchell..
July 31st, 2009 at 7:54 am
WELL I just needed 2 drop in because with the bey signing I think its shows there is going 2B a real turn-around in our BELOVED RAIDERS!!!I also think this mirrors Coach Cables own personality of no bull-s!it common approach.MAN-O-MAN I CAN JUST FEEL IT!!!
HAVE A GREAT DAY NATION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 7:55 am
Hands may be an issue for DHB at times, but nobody drops more passes than TO and Braylon Edwards, and they are pro-bowlers and generally considered top-10 NFL WR’s. I think he will overcome all the nonsense, and scratch out 2 or 3 pro-bowls in his career (hopefully not in his 7th and 8th years in New England, lol).
July 31st, 2009 at 7:55 am
Clearly you are all gay, but thats ok, so is moi!!!!!!!!!…go Niners!…(Faiders suck) lmao
July 31st, 2009 at 7:57 am
I’m out Nation! You all have a Great Weekend!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 8:01 am
Dakota, congrats on the LO signing….well not really, but I’ll keep it civil.
Did you read about one reason why the Rockets didn’t offer Ron much of a contract? Bill Simmons, who is best buddies with Rockets GM Morely, said that in game 7 of last year’s Lakers-Rockets series, Ron missed the first two team buses, and hoped on the last charter, wearing only his undies. On the bus, the Rockets owner (a woman) and corporate sponsors, which didn’t go over to well. Whatever comes of it all, the Ron-Ron experience will be entertaining!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 8:02 am
Preist,
Would you in fact, be saying the same thing about Crabtree or Maclin or Hakeem Nicks if the Raiders would have drafted them?
Answer: Yes.
Your opinions are completely bias and therefore shouldnt be taken seriously.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:03 am
Is this really a headline?
Brady takes snaps for Patriots in camp (AP)
July 31st, 2009 at 8:03 am
vegas raider Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:25 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1doAFxdxlRQ&feature=fvw
When I watch this clip, I know it is just the highlights but still, I see a guy who doesn’t strugle to catch the ball, WITH HIS HANDS not his chest, is a great open-field runner, and who was faster than anyone else on the field. Why wouldn’t that translate to the NFL?
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Vegas Raider
I saw the same thing. I wanted us to select Crabtree but as I thought about it more I can see their strategy in selecting him. Not to mention there were other teams besides the Raiders who passed on this guy becuase of his attitude. At times I think he already felt he was a pro while at Texas Tech.
DHB is a skilled athlete at 6′3, no off the field issues, team first player, and can burn at 4.3. You can see the seperation on film not to mention he can catch the ball. He also shows body control and elevation. He played in a pro style offense, mostly got double teamed. Not to mention that Maryland had no other offensive weapons on the team. Heck they even had to get him in the running game with reverses, pitches, and short screens.
JLH has a game a lot like Maclin and Maclin’s best plays were on special teams he reminds me a lot of Teddy Ginn coming out of OSU. In my opinion Ginn was more electric (debateable). Chaz is already doing what Crabtree would be doing on our team so why not get DHB with upside to go verticle and open up the offense with Zach Miller (Drags, short passes), DMAC and Bush able to catch out the backfield.
I understand the strategy and you know what else I like about DHB. His QB sucked in Maryland and not one time did he ever throw him under the bus to justify his stats. I hope this kid does really well in Oakland. The guy can’t help it he runs a 4.3 40 at 6.3 with bulk. I thought speed was a good thing at one time.
If the Patriots made this pick ESPN would still be talking about what a gem they found and how great their scout team was in making this strategic pick.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:05 am
Your opinions are completely bias
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Isn’t that the case with EVERY opinion/post?
1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter b : approval, esteem
2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge
July 31st, 2009 at 8:06 am
Vegas,
Yeah I read that…all I can say about that is…hey he was on the bus and at the game right? lol, thank god we have LO back as insurance against an Artest melt-down.
Close call…but I am already stoked for the Lakers-Celts rematch! A healthy Bynum (I hope), Artest shutting down Paul P., Lamar all over Garnett or covering Wallace on the outside, Kobe guarding Allen instead of Paul P….just need an answer to Rondo!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 8:11 am
just need an answer to Rondo
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Hate to admit it, but I think Shannon Brown is going to blossom after getting an off-season with Kobe and Phil. He can match Rondo’s athleticism.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:12 am
Vegas…nice…I think you might be right about that…
July 31st, 2009 at 8:12 am
Chris Long @ #2 got no hate from the media…. Hmmmmmm, I wonder why…. Becuase the Raiders didn’t draft him there. Every football decision is a good one unless its made by Al Davis.
…oh, and unless your a 1st year coach and trade away your ProBowl QB.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:13 am
vegas raider Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:55 am
Hands may be an issue for DHB at times, but nobody drops more passes than TO and Braylon Edwards, and they are pro-bowlers and generally considered top-10 NFL WR’s. I think he will overcome all the nonsense, and scratch out 2 or 3 pro-bowls in his career (hopefully not in his 7th and 8th years in New England, lol).
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Thank you!!!!!!!!!
Not to mention Raider fans on this blog wanted us to give up our draft pick and players for Braylon Edwards or the TO sweepstakes. After all we went through with Randy “I play when I like you” Moss. They still want another attitude problem that brings down have your teams moral for two big plays a year.
We passed on Crabtree because he is another “I am god” player and the organization has finally wised up and is looking for character to with that skill. Look how many “great” college players we drafted that end up doing drugs, missing superbowls, holding out, bad mouthing the team, jail or dead. Oakland is done with it man and I am so glad. The drama in Oakland has been crazy! I love the fact that at least their draft picks did not have all of these off the field issues such as rehab!!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 8:14 am
Laker’s in 5 in 2010. You heard it here 1st.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:16 am
I wouldn’t give up on Chris Long just yet.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:17 am
vegas raider Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:11 am
just need an answer to Rondo
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Hate to admit it, but I think Shannon Brown is going to blossom after getting an off-season with Kobe and Phil. He can match Rondo’s athleticism.
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Vegas –
Shannon Brown will not be able to match up with Rhondo. Lets be honest, if Garnett was on the court they would have been back in the Championship this year.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:18 am
I like Crabtree as aplayer but he said he didn’t think much of playing for the Raiders. He completely turned the Raiders off because they were picking 7 overall he thought he would go 1 or 2, The Browns wanted him but he did the same thing to them.
Sucks to be him. As for Maclin I said befre the drraft that I didn’t want Maclin nor DHB I still feel we should’ve drafted Monroe. Hopefully this helps!!
Damn how many times do I need to say this, everyone had DHB rated higher than I did before the draft but I after studying him I understand why the Raiders drafted him. Not my pick I optimistic about the kids chances. So we’ll see…
July 31st, 2009 at 8:19 am
Mornin Nation.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:20 am
It may soon read,
RaiderTW Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:03 am
Is this really a headline?
Walter takes snaps for Patriots in camp (AP)
July 31st, 2009 at 8:21 am
Chris Long’s rookie year: 40 tackles 4 sacks.
Mario Williams’ rookie year: 47 tackles 4.5 sacks
If Chris is anything like his dad, he will be working like a mad man to improve and he will eventually gain strength and size and become a terror in the NFL.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:22 am
’sup morning crew.
hey Dakota, we’re neighbors again.(back in Montana for me)
some good posts about DHB. nice to see belittlement of the BSPN regurgitators.
it always has been us against the world in Raiderland. wouldn’t have it any other way.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:23 am
CJ,
I hate the Lakers, Warriors fan here, but Brown was very intriguing last year, and one of those guys without a true postion that Phil can build from the ground up. Hope I am wrong, but the only hope for me is that Ron just spoils all the chemistry.
However, Stephen “All-net” Curry will be 2009-10 ROY, you can book it.
Speaking of chemistry, your right, the Raiders have done a pretty good job of having the right “chemistry” guys around and not messing it up this off-season in FA’s. Look at last years FA’s, Walker and Hall (two of the worst contracts in the history of Free Agency), compared to this year, Ellis, O’Neal and Garcia. Light and day my friend.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:24 am
I don’t want to sound too negative here…but rookies rarely make a measurable impact in Oakland. The only one I can think of is Zack Miller, and tha was because the Raiders had NO talent at the position. The Raiders practice a more traditional approach to rookies.
DHB, Mitchell, Shaughnessy, Norris, and the Tight End from Iowa will be mostly special teams players or get spot duty in their 1st year.
The debate and evaluation of these guys won’t start in earnest until the middle of 2010 or 2011.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:26 am
preisttj
I felt the same way about the pick. I thought if you are not going to take Crabtree why not Monroe and bring in another veteran WR. The more I hear about the kid I like where his head is at but how college ball translate over to the pros we will have to wait and see.
When we drafted DHB I was in the garage working and I was so pissed I started slaming things around and my wife thought I was fighting someone in the garage.
I would not be surprised if Crabtree was holding out for $80 million dollar deal. His head is so big right now.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:26 am
I wouldn’t give up on DHB either…. Or russell for that matter. But there is another guy (Chris Long) with zero production his first year, drafted in the top ten(#2 overall). Its just irritating to read these post. I mean these haters actually think they know what they are talking about, when really, they’re just venting in the only way they know how…
July 31st, 2009 at 8:27 am
Rondo has peaked…did you see his playoff performance last year? Doodley…
July 31st, 2009 at 8:31 am
I’m not saying Chris is gonna be a bust. I’m just saying his rookie season was nothing stellar. If you judged him like some of these guys judge DHB or Russell, he’d STILL be getting bashed by the media, and the Rams for drafting a 20-something talent at #2. I mean 4 sacks? Scott had 3 for us and didnt start all season…
July 31st, 2009 at 8:32 am
vegas raider Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:23 am
CJ,
I hate the Lakers, Warriors fan here, but Brown was very intriguing last year, and one of those guys without a true postion that Phil can build from the ground up. Hope I am wrong, but the only hope for me is that Ron just spoils all the chemistry.
However, Stephen “All-net” Curry will be 2009-10 ROY, you can book it.
Speaking of chemistry, your right, the Raiders have done a pretty good job of having the right “chemistry” guys around and not messing it up this off-season in FA’s. Look at last years FA’s, Walker and Hall (two of the worst contracts in the history of Free Agency), compared to this year, Ellis, O’Neal and Garcia. Light and day my friend.
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I love the match up of the Celtics and Lakers next year. Not to mention the Celtics picked up crazy Rasheed to play along side garnett. He can still create a little offense as long as you do not have to rely on him to be the man (he will self destruct).
I am a Detroit Pistons fan myself grew up during the Bad Boy era but they are rebuilding right now.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:32 am
Boo hoo hoo sob sob drool drool im not getting the money I deserve even though I have a busteed foot, run slower than a Qb, and was drafter 10th over all! I need the money so I can invest in my hobby of fashion and design, oh yeah and I can increase my collection of barbie and ken dolls they are so hot, please sign me for #1 money!
Crabby patty u panzi get real u suck!!!!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 8:33 am
DHB and Crabtree no comparison as athletes but as WR’s Crabtree might have him on hands. But on just about everything else after watching film of DHB I’d take DHB.
That’s route running, run after catch, physicality I think their even, competiveness even. Attitude DHB hands down.
In the end DHB’s athleticism blows Crabtree away……..period
July 31st, 2009 at 8:34 am
Actually, the Celtic’s are an aging group of players. They had their year and a rematch with the Laker’s would be a mismatch. Garnett is 33, Pierce will be 32 in October. They are on the downslope.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:35 am
AZ Raider,
patience and development are words rarely used to any extent in this day and age of the NFL and/or blogs. Many are always jonesing for their next quick hit and that’s that. Angst and opionating and skepticism are considered way cooler than thoughtfulness.
No Kwame! No Kitten! What a great year to be a Raider fan!
July 31st, 2009 at 8:35 am
Pistons need a PG. Stuckey isn’t one.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:37 am
Good Morning Nation, AM crew.
TW,
LMAO and they say smoking is not healthy, but it saved that man’s life.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:38 am
So, do we have any GUTS yet? Any FIRE? Did we fine some b@lls in the offseason? I’d say no, unless we are counting on a rookie FS, converted to SS as our savior?? Or you confuse coach Vinilla, I mean Marshall with a Jim Johnson like DC!
What did we add in the last 7 months that is going to help us win some playoff games, and the SB?
Where the BEEF?
July 31st, 2009 at 8:39 am
Rasheed Wallace will be 35 in September.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:39 am
M,
Welcome back to god’s country!
July 31st, 2009 at 8:40 am
Mornin’ O!!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 8:40 am
Chris Long may be a good DE one day but I think we made the right decision in helping our offense with DMAC. Did you see him healthy running aginst KC?
We drafted a real good DE in Trevor Scott 24 tackles, 5 sacks and a work horse. We never get credit for recruites like this. Chaz Schilens was another great find late in the rounds.
We need to start giving our draft pick finds more credit. We have a lot of talent that just needs to get a chance to play on Sunday. Unlike Kiffin that is what Cable did a better job at doing. Let the players play!
July 31st, 2009 at 8:41 am
Mornin O
July 31st, 2009 at 8:41 am
I Hate The Kittin!! Another example of a Talking Monkey.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:41 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:40 am
Chris Long may be a good DE one day but I think we made the right decision in helping our offense with DMAC. Did you see him healthy running aginst KC?
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That is right baby….DRAFT MCFADDEN!!!! He will keep the Raiders worth watching in 2009!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 8:42 am
Just another opinion. You guys have to stop throwing Kiffin under the bus. Al Davis is as responsible for that guy as anyone.
The only reason Kiffin was hired was because he was in the room when Sarkisian was interviewed.
NO ONE, AND I MEAN NO ONE, WOULD HAVE HIRED LANE KIFFIN AS A HEAD COACH! OR ART SHELL II FOR THAT MATTER!
This is all on Al Davis and his poor coaching selections. I was disgusted with the Kiffin vs Davis drama that was going on while the young team needed guidance and stability
July 31st, 2009 at 8:44 am
Dakota Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:39 am
M,
Welcome back to god’s country!
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No sir! God lives on top of Buck Mountain in the Sierra Nevada @ 9,500 feet. Bear, Mule Deer, Bald Eagles, Lion, Pine Trees, Buck Brush, Claen Air, and NO OTHER PEOPLE!!
July 31st, 2009 at 8:45 am
TW,
I like how they do it in Saudi. if you steal, they cut your hand off!
That should teach a talking monkey not to steal.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:49 am
SnB,
bus or no bus to be thrown under, No Kwame! No Kitten!, No Robbo!, No MeAngelo et al…corrected mistakes, onward…
Dakota,
yeah, a visit to Supervolcano is the menu soon.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:49 am
Raccoon,
I think Walter may visit the Pats for a workout. They need another QB!
I hate the Pats!!! Tuck Rule!! Cheaters!!
July 31st, 2009 at 8:51 am
T Scott might turn out to be one of the best moves we’ve made in a long time along with MBush.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:52 am
M,
I saw a discovery special about what might happen if Yellowstone blew…Hot Springs and the Black Hills were in the ring of death!!!!
Do me a favor, and pour a bottle or two of water in the Caldera!
July 31st, 2009 at 8:52 am
I had to check, 5 sacks for Scott… Sorry Trevor, 5 sacks.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:53 am
I think God lives in books
July 31st, 2009 at 8:54 am
10 things I hate about the NFL:
1- Pats
2- Dischargers
3- the kittin
4- dischargers fans
5- Denver
6- KC
7- Marty S
8- the Comm
9- Bill B
10- My Raiders are not winning.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:56 am
M Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:49 am
SnB,
bus or no bus to be thrown under, No Kwame! No Kitten!, No Robbo!, No MeAngelo et al…corrected mistakes, onward…
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I agree. Just that Al Davis has to stop making these mistakes. They are killing the team. Let John Marshall do his job!
July 31st, 2009 at 8:56 am
M Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:35 am
AZ Raider,
patience and development are words rarely used to any extent in this day and age of the NFL and/or blogs. Many are always jonesing for their next quick hit and that’s that. Angst and opionating and skepticism are considered way cooler than thoughtfulness.
No Kwame! No Kitten! What a great year to be a Raider fan!
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I like where your head is “M”. It is good to be a patient Raider fan
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Miller & Gallery to the Probowl! And of coarse Nnamdi.
July 31st, 2009 at 8:57 am
Correction:
8- Robo Ryan!!
The Comm can wait. lol
July 31st, 2009 at 8:57 am
O,
I’ll add:
Shanarat
Shannon Sharpe
Overwhelming media bias (at least lately)
July 31st, 2009 at 9:00 am
Correction:
8- robo Ryan
9- Shanarat
10- Bill B
July 31st, 2009 at 9:00 am
Forget patience. The Raiders have had 6 yrs of patience and the mid to late 90’s.
This team has to show progress this year. Playoffs? Probably not! But they should improve by a few games from last yr and be in the thick of things going into December
July 31st, 2009 at 9:03 am
NFLN is going to show all preseason games.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:05 am
If Cable wins 8 games he should get coach of the year. And I will apologize profusely for doubting his coaching acumen!
July 31st, 2009 at 9:06 am
I can’t wait to watch Mitchell, Branch, DHB, and Murphy.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:07 am
Raider O Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:03 am
NFLN is going to show all preseason games.
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SWEEEEEEET!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 9:08 am
Raider O Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:06 am
I can’t wait to watch Mitchell, Branch, DHB, and Murphy.
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Branch will be the major contributor of the group. The other young guys will be brought along slowly
July 31st, 2009 at 9:10 am
The patriots are gonna sign mike vick!
July 31st, 2009 at 9:10 am
No Derrick Burgess, but all other hands on deck.
12 minutes ago from mobile web
Welcome to morning practice, where DHB catches the first pass in drills.
- David White tweets
July 31st, 2009 at 9:11 am
10 things I hate about the NFL.
1. 2008 week 1.
2. 2008 week 3.
3. 2008 week 4.
4. 2008 week 6.
5. 2008 week 8.
6. 2008 week 9.
7. 2008 week 10.
8. 2008 week 11.
9. 2008 week 13.
10. 2008 week 14.
bonus hatred = 2008 week 15
July 31st, 2009 at 9:11 am
My rectum is a free agent too. Well not free, free for a bottle of wine and some pills.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:12 am
SnB,
no doubt about it. The boys do need to get out of the gate quickly this year for their own self-confidence. show themselves that they are back to belonging in the hunt.
a bounce of the ball their way, an anti-Walt Coleman call on occasion and who knows how much the kids can accomplish this year.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:13 am
I think we have a 7-9 to a 9-7 team. We have a lot of Talent, but we are young, and we need time to develop a system that works for all. Also the coaching staff needs to work well together, and last more than one full season.
Next year: if all works well, then we should win the Division.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:15 am
Finally, it sounds like the Derrick Burgess era is coming to an end in Oakland! We can also finally cross Andrew Walter off of the roster.
DHB was a lame use of the #7 overall pick, lets all just admit that and move on. He will take at least 3 years (if ever) to develop with hands like that. I can live with the choice of DHB though, as I still don’t believe Crabtree is any better. I just wish they would have taken Monroe or Oher, sigh.
That being said, I am very excited about all of our young guys from the previous two drafts: Miller is ridiculously good and only 23 years old. McFadden is 21, twenty-freaking-one and primed to tear up the NFL this season. Russell is only 23, as is Chaz Schilens, and Tyvon Branch our stud saftey is still only 22. This is the season they will all start gelling and growing up together, while building confidence in each other and themselves.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:16 am
SNB,
More than Mitchell?
July 31st, 2009 at 9:20 am
Raider O Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:16 am
SNB,
More than Mitchell?
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The only rookie I can remember making an instant impact was Zach Miller.
Unless Eugene or Huff are terrible (Branch is going to start 16gms) Mitchell will be a situational player and used mostly on special teams/
The Raiders rookies just take time to develop. A combination of less playing time (philosophy) and learning a new system
July 31st, 2009 at 9:21 am
BBB,
What if we drafted DHB @ #22-25? Still don’t like the pick?
July 31st, 2009 at 9:21 am
This team needs to come out of the gates no less than 2-2. 3-1 would be fantastic. But I am looking for 2-2 minimum
July 31st, 2009 at 9:22 am
There is hope for you Southwick homers:
Weird thing: QB Danny Southwick is here throwing in screen drills but not in uniform. Cut on Wednesday, is he on intern staff now?
-David White Twitter
July 31st, 2009 at 9:23 am
4-0 SNB!!! Drink it! It tastes great, I just made it! Have you ever seen silver kool-aid?
July 31st, 2009 at 9:23 am
Free blow jobs at the marriott all next week!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 9:24 am
BBB,
Well said sir, except the part about DHB. lol
I wanted Monroe too, and I didn’t think he was going to be available at 7.
SNB,
I think he will play if he learns quick. He was our 2nd RD pick.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:24 am
Priest,
Post 221 was not me. It was probably your left tit OakGlenn (king of the trolls). I’m not playing your game, you can play with yourself! I have better things to do.
Dope.
# preisttj Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 7:31 am
Great pick MistaBrown, I’ll take Aaron Curry
MistaBrown selects in the 1st rnd Mike Mitchell
Preisttj selects Aaron Curry
It’s on folks!!
Your pick MistaBrown……..
July 31st, 2009 at 9:25 am
Thanks Norco, but I gotta work… Can’t fly out to Cali for your mouth this time.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:25 am
#22-25 would have been a great spot to snag a long-term project like DHB, and it means we would have gotten some additional picks for our troubles. #7 overall? There are just too many doubts about his hands.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:26 am
SNB,
What about T Howard?
July 31st, 2009 at 9:28 am
BBB,
DHB is here now. Gotta roll with him and see what he can do. The guy was a reach for sure…but no worse a reach than Tyson Jackson at #3.
The Raiders are a speed and finesse team. Not a smashmouth team. D-HB fits what Davis is trying to do.
I don’t agree with it. But I understand it.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:28 am
Same laws for Gorillas huh, O?
July 31st, 2009 at 9:29 am
Totally unrelated, but I’m trying to think of a good fantasy football team name that’s loosely Raiders related (last year I was None More Black). Any suggestions?
July 31st, 2009 at 9:29 am
Raider O Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:49 am
Raccoon,
I think Walter may visit the Pats for a workout. They need another QB!
I hate the Pats!!! Tuck Rule!! Cheaters!!
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YEP.
IT WAS A FUMBLE!!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 9:31 am
BBB,
It was a Wobbly pass! lol
July 31st, 2009 at 9:31 am
Derrick Burgess is either drinking to much or his agent is giving him bad advice. What does he think he is gaining by sitting out? We will not trade him unless there are other great deals to be made. So now he is just loosing money not to mention he just came off a bad year. Why do these guys think they can demand the bank after a hurt year! I don’t get it? He should be working his @$$ off with the guys able to tke his spot right now. I thought to much about this guy!
July 31st, 2009 at 9:32 am
Raider O Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:26 am
SNB,
What about T Howard?
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There was no answer in front of him. Just like with Zach Miller…there was literaly no one to play in front of him with any talent.
Hiram Eugene, Mike Huff, Tyvon Branch are all options.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:33 am
TW,
Only if they’re Talking Gorillas. lol
July 31st, 2009 at 9:35 am
vegas raider Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:53 am
I think God lives in books
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Very true!
When I speak of God, it is in AWE of Mother Nature! When you are drunk, laying in the slushy half frozen mud stairing up at billions of stars in the sky, or out at canyons of the Sierra mountains, or watching a Mountain Lion stalk a new born Fawn. It is the WILD, the way we were ment to live! OFF THE LAND!! In the Bush!! yes both of them.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:38 am
Michael Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:29 am
Totally unrelated, but I’m trying to think of a good fantasy football team name that’s loosely Raiders related (last year I was None More Black). Any suggestions?
Michael let me be the first to say… go fuk yer self.
no more black is a very gaay name you must be gayyy also
eat a dik mother fuker
July 31st, 2009 at 9:39 am
SNB,
That makes sense.
I can still hope to see Mitchell and Branch. lol
Bring back the days of Tatum & Atkinson!
July 31st, 2009 at 9:40 am
Branch needs to play FS and Mitchell SS before seasons end. Huff and Eugene suck
July 31st, 2009 at 9:41 am
David White reports Southwick is throwing passes out of uniform. Umm
July 31st, 2009 at 9:41 am
BBB,
I bet the Raiders did talk trading down to get more picks but had no takers. If I’m an owner and the first availible guy on my board is Darrius Heyward-Bey, regardless of where you are drafting, you have to take the top guy availible on your board. The NYJ were really the only team who we might have had a trade option with, but they didnt want to wait till 7, thinking Sanchez might be gone if another team wanted him… My point is the draft is a crapshoot, and you just have to stick to your board, if your stuck in a spot or not…
i like the pick, not because he was picked #7 or #25, but because it’s Darrius Heyward-Bey. Raw talent, but with coaching, the ideal WR for what the Raiders are trying to accomplish with there offensive scheme.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:41 am
OK mista I’ll you off the hook, no biggy. You just don’t have it in you. I get it.
Just one more thing MistaBrown since you’re scared just get the hell off my back then. If you can’t face me.
July 31st, 2009 at 9:42 am
Now there’s a fanstasy football team name:
eat a dik mother fuker
July 31st, 2009 at 9:43 am
per David White:
Welcome to morning practice, where DHB catches the first pass in drills.
JaMarcus to DHB for first time in camp, complete over the middle … two plays in a row.
Weird thing: QB Danny Southwick is here throwing in screen drills but not in uniform. Cut on Wednesday, is he on intern staff now?
(All is not lost Southwick lovers!)
July 31st, 2009 at 9:43 am
BHP
What challenge did I miss and how do I get in on it?
July 31st, 2009 at 9:48 am
SnB, the team has to start 3 and 0. No excuses. We owe SD and both kc and den are awful
July 31st, 2009 at 9:52 am
damn what about the other wideouts? are they catching passes
July 31st, 2009 at 9:54 am
Fargas,Walker,and Green shall be cut
July 31st, 2009 at 9:58 am
I’ve gotta think that Fargas has some trade value. Walker and Green are another story entirely.
I still say cut Walker loose and bring in Amani Toomer.
July 31st, 2009 at 10:02 am
I hope that in three years or less DHB is the ideal WR for our offensive scheme, but for now he is just “raw talent”. I understand the rational for drafting DHB and I still prefer him to Lady Crabtree. But passing on Monroe and Oher when we have serious issues at Tackle and a very young QB is just plain wrong. DHB will do nothing for JR’s development.
July 31st, 2009 at 10:04 am
SNB Defense Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 9:22 am
There is hope for you Southwick homers:
Weird thing: QB Danny Southwick is here throwing in screen drills but not in uniform. Cut on Wednesday, is he on intern staff now?
-David White Twitter
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DO NOT TOY WITH ME!
July 31st, 2009 at 10:04 am
from Darren McFadden’s twitter McFadden20:
“I’m roomin wit mbush”
July 31st, 2009 at 10:05 am
Brien,
San Diego is a good team. Hate saying that…but they are a good team who knows the Raiders really well.
That’s a “show-me” game. Can the Raiders stop LT and Sproles….can they handle the screen passes…can the O-Line pass protect….and can they overcome the psychological effects of losing I don’t know how many in a row. Plus the track record on Monday Night openers.
I agree with beating K.C and Denver. They fail to do that and I’ll probably check out early. Houston is very winnable…but this one will be on the road in good weather conditions.
So I will expect no less than 2-2 with a great chance at 3-1…..4-0 would be a lot
July 31st, 2009 at 10:07 am
So Southwick has gone straight into coaching? I’m not surprised…
July 31st, 2009 at 10:08 am
I still don’t understand why Cable didn’t use that extra mandatory mini-camp. Some of this “installation” and “fundamentals” could have been done with those 3 extra days.
Or perhaps…they could have used 3 extra days
July 31st, 2009 at 10:09 am
Brien, are you gonna stick around when registration comes back, or are you gonna hide like a pansy?
July 31st, 2009 at 10:12 am
SNB Defense Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:08 am
I still don’t understand why Cable didn’t use that extra mandatory mini-camp. Some of this “installation” and “fundamentals” could have been done with those 3 extra days.
Or perhaps…they could have used 3 extra days
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The offense wasn’t ready to install yet, is my guess.
July 31st, 2009 at 10:13 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:04 am
from Darren McFadden’s twitter McFadden20:
“I’m roomin wit mbush”
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If Al’s got DMC and Bush bunking w/ each other, you know Russell and Garcia are together. That must be a trip.
July 31st, 2009 at 10:16 am
GGGOOO LLLAAAKKKEERRRSS!
Any tweets from Jerry to report?
July 31st, 2009 at 10:19 am
Raiders just took a water break. On a 60 degree day with marine layer. With no contact. At least one gets hurt – DWhite tweet
July 31st, 2009 at 10:21 am
I don’t know if our OT woes are that pressing. LT spot is locked and i’m confident Henderson IS and WILL be the man there for a while. Now the RT spot is in the air. Cable can work magic with linemen minus Kwame, so we brought in a few guys to compete for Greens spot, so lets see… We are SET at LG for a
L O N G T I M E (Gallery to the ProBowl!). RG and RT are where we need a little help, but there is competition there too.
Where I thought we REALLY needed help was out front 7. Turns out (according to Nnamdi & Kirk) gap disapline was not something Ryan ever seemed concerned about. So I’ll wait to see how the F7 hold up this year. Chances are it will be better but still not championship caliber. Maybe next year we draft a stud MLB or DT, and move Kirk outside with Howard. I don’t know, but the Oline, isn’t as bad a people make out.
July 31st, 2009 at 10:22 am
Congratulations Southwick. Oxy is too proud of you. Your arm is a good match for their god speed receivers. Do your stuff out there. – comment at dannysouthwick.com (no, not from me)
July 31st, 2009 at 10:26 am
or……
3-4 IN 2010!!!!!!!!! Draft 1 DT and a shitload of LB’s and DE’s!!!!!!!!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 10:27 am
I didnt see this posted anywhere, so hopefully it isnt redundant, but a new article from SI.com – and Jim Trotter
Posted earlier today
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jim_trotter/07/31/raiders.postcard/index.html?eref=T1
Enjoy!!
July 31st, 2009 at 10:27 am
Who is this Southwick kid i heard he got cut u think he is coming back
July 31st, 2009 at 10:30 am
GO #6 !!!
SOUTHWICK! SOUTHWICK! SOUTHWICK!
where’s that DBW kid? somebody needs to splash some water in his face to wake him up. Southwick is the pride of Provo, Utah. Soon to be Oakland, California.
July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am
# preisttj Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 8:18 am
I like Crabtree as aplayer but he said he didn’t think much of playing for the Raiders. He completely turned the Raiders off because they were picking 7 overall he thought he would go 1 or 2, The Browns wanted him but he did the same thing to them.
Sucks to be him. As for Maclin I said befre the drraft that I didn’t want Maclin nor DHB I still feel we should’ve drafted Monroe. Hopefully this helps!!
Damn how many times do I need to say this, everyone had DHB rated higher than I did before the draft but I after studying him I understand why the Raiders drafted him. Not my pick I optimistic about the kids chances. So we’ll see…
^^^^^^
I had rim rated as the 2nd best WR in the draft but with the most upside to the speed, size, long arm and athleticism ratio. Most had Maclin rated #2 but for DHB was ranked #2 with me…..especially for the Raiders since JLH and Maclin are similar players. No need to draft a guy with the same skill set as someone who is already on your roster on the WR/PR teams
July 31st, 2009 at 10:31 am
Southwick is a Mormon phenom out of Occidental, late bloomer like CJ. Remember the name…
July 31st, 2009 at 10:32 am
DO NOT HATE ON MY BOY SOUTHWICK Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:16 am
GGGOOO LLLAAAKKKEERRRSS!
Any tweets from Jerry to report?
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Jerry is the last to post anything, and that includes tweets. The 9ers beat writers get the news to us before Jerry does. But at least he pays attention to details LOL…
July 31st, 2009 at 10:32 am
BSJ: Danny Southwick’s nickname is “D Smooth”
just found that on his website … sweet!
July 31st, 2009 at 10:35 am
BSJ called it!
as soon as Walter was out the door, Southwick was back in …
Hopefully Tom Cable is a good enough talent evaluator to keep the best 3 QB’s on the roster. Southwick is definately one of them!
July 31st, 2009 at 10:35 am
W…..T……F……
July 31st, 2009 at 10:35 am
any recent tweets from Jerry Mac?
July 31st, 2009 at 10:37 am
everyone seems so concerned about DHBs hands are you concerned about Z.Millers?do you realize he was in the top 10 last year in drops?DHB will be fine.just because C.Carter said he couldn’t catch doesn’t make it true.Carter is just another anti-Raider guyBTW,DHB hasn’t ran track since high school so i don’t believe calling him a track star is accurate.
July 31st, 2009 at 10:37 am
Priest, can you give us some inside dope on Southwick por favor? Does Al know Larry King from way back? Danny is his stepson…
July 31st, 2009 at 10:37 am
Heck I would rather have Southwick as the 3rd QB ahead of freakin Fried Frye and Crapkowski thats for damn sure.
Southwick can at least sling it!
July 31st, 2009 at 10:39 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:35 am
BSJ called it!
as soon as Walter was out the door, Southwick was back in …
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TY RRS. Letting Southwick go to an AFC team would be a catastrophe…
July 31st, 2009 at 10:39 am
# lefty12 Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:37 am
everyone seems so concerned about DHBs hands are you concerned about Z.Millers?do you realize he was in the top 10 last year in drops?DHB will be fine.just because C.Carter said he couldn’t catch doesn’t make it true.Carter is just another anti-Raider guyBTW,DHB hasn’t ran track since high school so i don’t believe calling him a track star is accurate.
^^^^^^Carters brain is fried from too much cocaine as well….screw no titles Chris Carter!
July 31st, 2009 at 10:41 am
Heck I would rather have Southwick as the 3rd QB
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preach it 007!
Danny Southwick is going to be a starter in this league. I hope he starts his NFL journey here in Oakland – not in Minny or Denver!
July 31st, 2009 at 10:42 am
be back later. work to do …
keep up the good work Danny boy!
silence the haters!
July 31st, 2009 at 10:45 am
Raiderrockstar im here lol man I just don’t see what you see, maybe I need a new pair of eyes cause southwick is just another cut player to me
July 31st, 2009 at 10:46 am
Raiders just took a water break. On a 60 degree day with marine layer. With no contact. At least one gets hurt – DWhite tweet
DWhite doesn’t realize you can dehydrate in any weather? PROTECT THE HAMMYS!
July 31st, 2009 at 10:47 am
From the SI.Com Article
“It’ll be interesting to see if Marshall, who was the Seahawks’ coordinator the past three seasons, has more autonomy than Ryan, whose game plans and play calls were said to be heavily influenced by owner Al Davis. The Raiders are sticking with their base 4-3 scheme and, again, will rely on the bump-and-run pass coverage that Davis prefers.”
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jim_trotter/07/31/raiders.postcard/index.html?eref=T1
July 31st, 2009 at 10:49 am
Well i hope something works out for the raiders i am tired of them losing i am not to much worried about the offensive i am more worried about the Defence right now
July 31st, 2009 at 10:51 am
said by who-Raider and Davis haters?maybe game plans,but not in game calls.that was on RR and his play calling sucked!!!!!
July 31st, 2009 at 10:52 am
DirtyBathWater Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 10:45 am
Raiderrockstar im here lol man I just don’t see what you see, maybe I need a new pair of eyes cause southwick is just another cut player to me
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Southwick = on way up. Frye/Gradcowykhjki = past peak. Garcia = Blanda wannabe.
July 31st, 2009 at 10:53 am
Here we go Lakers here we go!!!!!!!!
boom boom
July 31st, 2009 at 11:04 am
Who of you have seen Danny Southwick play? I didn’t think so….. So how is he in the top 3 QB’s again?
WTF?
July 31st, 2009 at 11:07 am
I had to dig, but here are his stats LOL..
PASSING YARDAGE…………… 574 163
Att-Comp-Int……………. 65-45-1 50-22-3
Average Per Pass………… 8.8 3.3
Average Per Catch……….. 12.8 7.4
Average Per Game………… 287.0 81.5
TDs Passing…………….. 3 0
July 31st, 2009 at 11:07 am
Lefty12,
Rob Ryan, for all his faults, stuck around for 5 full seasons. He survived several head coaches. He was Al’s guy. So Davis influence is relevant.
I think talking about Al Davis’ potential influence in game day planning is as relevant as talking about JaMarcus Russells’ accuracy.
The big change is the change in coaching. So the question that people raise is whether John Marshall will have the freedom to do what he thinks is best….or have to make modifications that could hurt the team.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:08 am
Lol man maybe im just delusional or sumthn
July 31st, 2009 at 11:08 am
3 TD and 4 INT’s = On his way up to what? 25 TD’s and 44 INT’s?
July 31st, 2009 at 11:10 am
NATION, what is UP?????
Gotta ask a question, not here to be little but who
is danny Southwick?????? I know the obvious like QB, mormon etc…
Do you guys think he is good for this team as a 3 possible 2, maybe a 1 if JRUSS goes down.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:11 am
Lmao!!!! Funny stuff man, now I know this pumping up of southwick is a complete joke lol……..ok I get it now! Man he is great he should start behind russell!!
July 31st, 2009 at 11:12 am
bydavidwhite Defense is practicing a lot more blitz than normal. We’ll see if that makes it to season. They did it camp last year too to no avail.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:12 am
Jerrymcd Vick to the Patriots? That’s the rumor from uninformed sources here.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:13 am
those are the most recent tweets
July 31st, 2009 at 11:14 am
Thec,
If I didn’t know any better, I’d say all the southwick talk about him being a great up and coming QB is just a joke. He’s a nobody who played for a nobody college, signed with an Arena team (for a sec) and now he’s a walk on. But, some of these guys are pretty wierd so I wouldn’t put it passed them to genuinly think that about him…
July 31st, 2009 at 11:14 am
RDogg, What up Bro, how are you getting the updates u at camp?
July 31st, 2009 at 11:14 am
Vick-to-Pats rumor continues to pick up steam
Posted by Mike Florio on July 31, 2009 1:33 PM ET
The hot rumor today, as evidenced by 25 or more e-mails we’ve received on the topic, has been that quarterback Mike Vick was spotted on a plane to Boston’s Logan Airport.
Various versions of the rumor have been shared with us, with the details ranging from the flight occurring Thursday night to Friday morning.
The fact that the rumor was discussed on WEEI radio in Boston earlier today has done little to contain it, and the thing has now morphed into a rumor (possibly more) that Vick actually is meeting with the Patriots.
The locally popular Barstool Sports blog has ventured onto a limb on this one, reporting that Vick currently is meeting with the Patriots: “He is 100% meeting with the Pats right now,” the web site states. “That’s not a guess. That’s a fact.”
We don’t know whether Vick is or isn’t meeting with the Patriots. But since coach Bill Belichick didn’t rule out the possibility of signing Vick earlier today, we won’t rule out the possibility that Vick is in the building as of this very moment.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:15 am
Az, Thanks Bro…. I lurk on this site daily, post rarely in the offseason. I have to admit this site is rather wild, funny, and amusing…
July 31st, 2009 at 11:16 am
Thec
I am just following Jerry Mac and David White on Twitter.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:18 am
RDogg, Thanks for the updates, keep um coming if u dont mind Bro……
July 31st, 2009 at 11:19 am
Thanks Dogg!
July 31st, 2009 at 11:19 am
Thec
no problem. Here is the latest tweet from Raiders.com:
Practice is over and head coach Tom Cable has addressed the media, highlights coming up on Behind the Shield: Online
July 31st, 2009 at 11:19 am
OK guys, I have been a bit over the top on Southwick I admit. But he has never settlesd into a program for long, has a cannon, and is a smart, mature kid (27 yrs. old).
He COULD be a late bloomer who never got a chance to grow in a Div 1 program. Hackett dug him up, so don’t go overboard pronouncing him a nobody. Those stats just don’t tell the whole story…
He could be another Kurt Warner, so try and resist the rush to judge. It WOULD be a great story for all of us, not just the Oxy alums like me and Barack.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:20 am
jerry Tweets:
“Marshall says it’s about time for a pick. In drill where QBs dont pass the ball. Honest.”
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Well, at least he’s making it hard on the defense
July 31st, 2009 at 11:21 am
i’m sure Davis had influence over Ryan.i’m pretty sure he influenced the game plans.but during games it was all on RR.i don’t buy the garbage that AD calls down during games to influence game calls.as for RR sticking around for 5 years,i gave my ideas on it the other day.AD is friends with and respects Buddy,therefore Rob was given a lot of rope.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:21 am
Dakota
I guess you can exhale a little now. Odom finally put the bong down and pulled his head out of his ass just long enough to sign on the dotted line.
I still can’t believe he didn’t want to come to the Warriors.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:22 am
I’m not hating on Southwick. If he turns into a stud, he turns into a stud, and that’s great… But at this point its a waste of pixels to type about him.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:25 am
lefty12 Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:21 am
i’m sure Davis had influence over Ryan.i’m pretty sure he influenced the game plans.but during games it was all on RR.i don’t buy the garbage that AD calls down during games to influence game calls.as for RR sticking around for 5 years,i gave my ideas on it the other day.AD is friends with and respects Buddy,therefore Rob was given a lot of rope.
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Well Davis needs to backoff the game planning too. Cable hired John Marshall to lead the defense. I would hope that Davis vetted Marshall’s philosophy before giving CAble the green light. There is no reason for Davis to be influencing anything except during the hire & fire phase.
AS for loyalty to Buddy Ryan. That’s B.S. Is it about winning or what?
I am frustrated with all this extracurricular stuff. Hire the professionals and be done with it. Evaluate them fairly and make decisions based on what happened on the field and wins and losses.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:26 am
Lefty12, With the current state i am not sure if Mr. Davis was in on it or not. In my opinion RR was a lousy tactician during games, he will get to prove how bad he was with his new team.
RR = the garbage man.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:26 am
I mean…Al Davis stuck with coaches that apparently was so incompetent that Tom Cable has to do a week worth of walk-throughs just to reset the basic fundamentals.
What the hell was going on the last few years?
July 31st, 2009 at 11:27 am
Dogg,
I am very relieved. If the Lakers had lost Odom and Ariza after dumping draft picks (one of which could have been DeJuan Blair to replace Odom’s minutes at the 4 spot) it would have been a major set back. Now everything is locked and loaded for a three year run.
Hey, what is the deal with the George deal? Just trying to dump young talent to free up playing time for the rookie Curry?
July 31st, 2009 at 11:27 am
Post 457,
Waste of pixels…LOL
July 31st, 2009 at 11:28 am
Rob Ryan would have been better if he had Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and Terrell Suggs on the team.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:29 am
SNB Defense, So you would like the club to be run like a real NFL organization. What a novel concept.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:32 am
calm down.i didn’t say i agreed with it,just giving a perspective.it has been said Davis didn’t particularly care for all of Cables choices.it makes you wonder if Marshall wasn’t one of them because he has been around so long and won’t listen to Davis’ meddling.as for the Buddy thing,that may not be the case,i just think that is one of the reasons he was allowed to stick around-right or wrong.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:33 am
It is what it is with Al, SnB.
Blessing and a curse, if you will. There is no disputing his football knowledge. And he owns the team. How can you expect him to seperate the 2? Working for an owner who know as much or more about what you are doing than you do can’t be easy.
You have seen all types of O’s and D’s run by the Raiders under Al’s watch. WCO, 3-4 defense, vertical, etc. We’ve seen it all, yet we keep hearing this Al’s way business.
Just Win DC, and you will be ok!
July 31st, 2009 at 11:36 am
# SNB Defense Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:26 am
I mean…Al Davis stuck with coaches that apparently was so incompetent that Tom Cable has to do a week worth of walk-throughs just to reset the basic fundamentals.
What the hell was going on the last few years?
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Not necessarily just us. Singletary and the Whiners are doing the exact same thing. Seems like the blocking and tackling in the league has dropped in quality over the last few years, especially among some of the bottom echelon teams. The top echelon teams seem to block and tackle well. Good place to start practice.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:36 am
Dakota
Not too sure the logic behind the George/Bellinelli deal. I do know that Nellie wasn’t too high on him. They are already expecting big things out of Curry after his decent showing in Vegas. A couple of W’s did some good things over there and I am optimistic about the upcoming season. I still wish that they would get a fukkin legit big man. It literally has been YEARS!
July 31st, 2009 at 11:38 am
I have a question.
What changed after the 2002 season was over?
We never in the history of this franchise had it this bad.
Did we add or subtract some keys out of the front office?
Who are the constants, like trask, herrera et al…
July 31st, 2009 at 11:38 am
Al Davis Has Cojones Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:28 am
Rob Ryan would have been better if he had Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and Terrell Suggs on the team.
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Name a DC who wouldn’t have been, and your point might hold water
July 31st, 2009 at 11:39 am
Any GM that hires a 3-4 DC and then forces him to run a 4-3 and then keeps him around for years despite the fact that the guy clearly cannot coach should have his GM card pulled forever.
And just because Mangina hired the guy to coach a 3-4 doesn’t justify what happened in Oakland with the guy.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:40 am
So we are back to the old school trolling of the past?? I thought they got that fixed.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:40 am
RaiderGator Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:35 am
“I try to let the money go away. But since other people bring it up, it is something that a lotta people that have been playing football their whole life and the work they put in as a kid up to now they final got paid for it.” – JRuss
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Must be REAL tough playing football for a living. Some of us play football our whole lives while still applying ourselves to an Art/Science/Business, then have to actually *WORK* for a living!!
Must be real hard work playing football, though. Glad you’re finally getting paid for all your HARD work JaMarcus. You certainly deserve that $60mill.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:41 am
Thec Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:38 am
I have a question.
What changed after the 2002 season was over?
We never in the history of this franchise had it this bad.
Did we add or subtract some keys out of the front office?
Who are the constants, like trask, herrera et al…
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What your REALLY asking is what happened after 2001.
We lost our coach, front office staff, assistant coaches… 2002 lost our QB, WR’s and RB… LOl… the list goes on.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:41 am
Dakota
When Rob Ryan was hired he had never even been a DC. He was a LB Coach that had experience working in the 3-4 defense. Still a valid point though. Unless you were intending on running a 3-4 D, why would you bring in some young coach to run a new scheme he wasn’t experienced in?
July 31st, 2009 at 11:42 am
things like that go on in the league all the time.nepotisum is alive and well in the NFL.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:43 am
Sapp forced the 3-4 to the scrap heap, not Al Davis.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:44 am
Lefty12, JHill, and all
I am not here to slam on Al Davis. My concern going into this season is that everyone says the right things (fundamentals, pressure the QB, gap control) and so on…then we see something totally different on game day.
I guess I am venting a little bit. Marshall seems to be doing the right things. I just hope the Davis stuff isn’t true. But keeping a bad coach like Ryan or Kiffin around for so long has to be cause for concern from any observer.
Davis is the owner and the Raiders his property. But as with anything, when things aren’t running right, a good owner looks at everything…including himself and makes changes accordingly.
To me it about seeing this defense attack people and play downhill as Morrison says. Week 1 is everything. Not necessarily with the scoreboard, the Chargers are a good team, but just in how this team plays the game.
We will have all the answer we need after week 1
July 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am
What is the carbon footprint of a pixel?
Trillions of pixels are wasted every day.
Save the pixels!
July 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am
By the way JaMarcus…..I know football is real hard work and I’m glad you’re finally getting paid. But….you think that $60mill could buy some time on the treadmill?…..Or do you need a little more incentive?
July 31st, 2009 at 11:47 am
AZ Raider Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:22 am
I’m not hating on Southwick. If he turns into a stud, he turns into a stud, and that’s great… But at this point its a waste of pixels to type about him.
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Its a waste to chat about an unknown Qb signed by the Oakland Raiders? AZ, how about you eat some sh!t? It would be a waste to flush it all down the toilet…
July 31st, 2009 at 11:48 am
Jhill…why hire a 3-4 DC and then sign Warren Sapp? Wait, I guess he did the same thing with D. Hall. Either Al Davis is no longer with it enough to recognize that certain players fit certain schemes, or he is dumb enough to allow his coaches to talk him into such silly moves…either way, Al fuked it up big time.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:52 am
Same with Jeff Garcia…why bother signing a QB that can’t throw the ball 20 yards in this offense? I guess only if you wanted the QB to be a mentor to Russell and show him how to work for success…but someone should have asked Garcia if he was willing to do that before they signed him.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 am
# Thec Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:38 am
I have a question.
What changed after the 2002 season was over?
We never in the history of this franchise had it this bad.
Did we add or subtract some keys out of the front office?
Who are the constants, like trask, herrera et al…
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Here, I can answer that. Contrary to popular opinion on this blog, During the 2000-2002 run Davis took a step back and let Gruden, Allen, Lombardi have a large say in what was going on around here. They did some good things, but in the end, they drove the franchise over a cliff. Right now, we should have a bunch of 6,7, 8 year players who are excelling right now. Just like Pittsburgh. We don’t. Think I am kidding?? Look at the last Gruden/Allen Tampon Bay roster. Galloway (14 years), Hilliard (12), Pettigout 10), Garcia (10), Carter (14), Hovan (9) Brooks (14), Barber (12) and other than Brooks and ronde Barber, Gruden/Allen didn’t draft ANY of those players. Basically, Gruden filled the rosters of both the Raiders and Bucs with old veterans, that when it came time to rebuild, both franchises had HUGE messes on their hands. Al Davis then went Al Davis and tried to “rebuild not reload” and things went downhill further from there. And the hiring of Art Shell II certainly did not help.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 am
SNB Defense.
There are realists and there are those OD’ing on the Kool-Aid. You’ll never convince the Kool-Aid posse that any of this is Davis’ fault. You see, it was Kiffin’s fault for coming here and convincing Davis to hire him. It was Ryan’s fault for coming here for an interview then not kicking himself out when his defense didn’t produce. How dare he stay here and collect free money?! Why didn’t he fire himself?
How dare Javon Walker take all that free money when he knew he wasn’t 100% and wouldn’t collect half that much from any other team?
Kelly too! He shouldn’t have accepted all that money! DeAngelo? Same thing. He should have said “ummm….case you haven’t noticed, I’m a little overrated and not a man cover guy”. But…Nnnnooooo!!! Did he say that?
It’s their fault – not Davis!
July 31st, 2009 at 11:54 am
Never agreed with the hiring of a LB coach with no DC experience. I’ve said that a million times. Yes, Al did F that up. For the most part, I have no problem with the personell Al has brought in. It’s been the coaching moves that have derailed this thing.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:55 am
latest tweet:
Jerrymcd Javon Walker: When they let me loose, it s on after that.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:56 am
Just seems like there isn’t a plan in place around here. Seems like there is a lot of just rolling the dice and hoping it works.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:56 am
Oakglenn Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:36 am
Not necessarily just us. Singletary and the Whiners are doing the exact same thing. Seems like the blocking and tackling in the league has dropped in quality over the last few years, especially among some of the bottom echelon teams. The top echelon teams seem to block and tackle well. Good place to start practice.
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But there is no one even daring to question who’s in charge of what happens on the field and the preparation of the game plans in San Francisco. To me that’s the big difference.
BTW, I understand why this happens. Davis was a former coach and a GM and had success. But Davis needs to realize that he won’t get the best out of his people unless he trusts them and lets them do their jobs. When I say that…I mean coaches shouldn’t have to worry about getting called to the Principal’s because a blitz didn’t work in the 4th QTR.
Evaluate the coaches at the end of the season…or perhaps at the end of 2 or 3 seasons.
Stick to hiring and firing…and put more time in on the scouting side.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:57 am
for those that give a sh!t about the Vick Saga:
So much for the Vick-to-Pats rumors
Posted by Mike Florio on July 31, 2009 2:45 PM ET
Though the door can’t be closed on the possibility that the Patriots will pursue quarterback Mike Vick (primarily because New England coach Bill Belichick didn’t close the door today when he had a chance to do so), those rumors of Vick being in Foxborough today can be disregarded as just that — rumors.
Vick, per the Associated Press, was in federal bankruptcy court again today, where creditors are poised to vote on his plan to repay some of the money that he owes them.
Here’s the money quote from Larry O’Dell of the AP: “Vick declined to answer reporters’ questions before and after a hearing Friday on his Chapter 11 bankruptcy plan.”
So there you have it. Vick wasn’t in New England today. He might go tomorrow or the next day, but he wasn’t there today.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:57 am
Dakota
Same with DeAngelo Hall. He hires a Zone Corner to Play Man 2 Man. Then has to throw the 8 million down the drain.
80yr old man, wheelchair bound. Those logistics alone are not compatible with with running an organization. Can you imagine how isolating that is?
July 31st, 2009 at 11:58 am
For you A’s fans out there:
The A’s have traded SS Orlando Cabrera to the Twins for minor league infielder Tyler Ladendorf and cash.
July 31st, 2009 at 11:59 am
And I am not the only one with some concerns about the topic of coaching freedom going into the season:
From David White Twitter:
“Defense is practicing a lot more blitz than normal.
We’ll see if that makes it to season. They did it camp last year too to no avail.
about 1 hour ago from web”
July 31st, 2009 at 11:59 am
Lmao!!!!!!!@ 481
July 31st, 2009 at 12:00 pm
# RaiderDogg Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:41 am
Dakota
When Rob Ryan was hired he had never even been a DC. He was a LB Coach that had experience working in the 3-4 defense. Still a valid point though. Unless you were intending on running a 3-4 D, why would you bring in some young coach to run a new scheme he wasn’t experienced in?
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Rob Ryan has been around Professional football his ENTIRE life. He has been around the best defensive minds in the world since he was little. His dad INVENTED the 46 which is run in both the pro and college levels. Again, contrary to popular belief on this blog, we would see the 46 run HERE a couple of times a game. He won two rings in NE. For him to come here and run a 4/3 is not difficult for a guy like that.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Tyler Ladendorf could be the Danny Southwick of MLB.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Jhill, are you happy to see Lamar back in purple and gold?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:02 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:58 am
For you A’s fans out there:
The A’s have traded SS Orlando Cabrera to the Twins for minor league infielder Tyler Ladendorf and cash.
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And cash? Sounds like our Raiders.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:05 pm
OG
I never denied Rob Ryan’s lineage and his father’s accomplishments including the infamous Kevin Gilbride punch.
I was just stating the facts about his experience. Try not to get all bent out of shape. Plug in that Hammond and play a little Winwood or something.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Oakglenn,
So if Ryan wasn’t the problem it must have been the players right? And since we didn’t change much on defense this offseason, I guess what you are saying is that we might as well have no hope for 2009?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pm
Lamer Odom cost himself $3 mil by dissing Buss… OOOPS. At least Kokchap finally got it done.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:07 pm
DO NOT HATE ON MY BOY SOUTHWICK Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:01 pm
Tyler Ladendorf could be the Danny Southwick of MLB.”
Billy Beane was quoted as saying “We’ve had our on Landendorf since the 2007 draft. I’m telling you right now, are you listening? This kid could turn out to be the Danny Southwick of the major leagues. Most likely sooner than later. “
July 31st, 2009 at 12:08 pm
Jerrymcd Javon Walker: When they let me loose, it s on after that.
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Shut up , fag!
July 31st, 2009 at 12:09 pm
Kind of hate to see Cabrera go, he has been hot the last month and was a stellar SS. I guess this means Bobby Crosby will be back in the lineup on the daily. Cue the injury bug…
July 31st, 2009 at 12:10 pm
dmcfadden20 Knocked out tha first practice now jus chillen until meetins
July 31st, 2009 at 12:10 pm
The basic premise is that Marshall is a big upgrade over Ryan. I agree with that conceptually. To me the biggest question will be in the game planning. Will the defense PLAY differently. Will the playcalling truly look DIFFERENT when they take the field on Monday Night.
Like I said before…regardless of the final score, we will have all the answers we need after that 1st game
July 31st, 2009 at 12:11 pm
Good to see LO back. But I wouldn’t have lost a moments sleep if he left. Until Bynum or Gasol went down, of course.
But I really see a rotation issue. Bynum @ 12 million a year, will NOT be a role player. PJ better get creative.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:14 pm
A GM, a Proud Man, 80 yrs old, and wheelchair bound, unable to get out, Isolated. Surrounded by lackeys.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:16 pm
The only real opportunity to fire Rob Ryan would have been after Kiffin’s first year. But with what was going on, no way Al was going to let Kiffin bring in his guy. If Davis was really high on Ryan, he would’ve got the job over Cable last year.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:18 pm
Post 500, exactly…..
July 31st, 2009 at 12:20 pm
From the Candid Cam article:
“As terrible as defensive tackle Tommy Kelly looked in jumping offside multiple times, give him credit for doing cardio and sit-ups in the outdoor weight facility for an hour after practice. Best sight of the day.”
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Nothing wrong with that. Tommy Kelly = terrible contract/absolutely terrible player/absolutely not
July 31st, 2009 at 12:20 pm
Thats why i asked the question who are the constants and how much influence do they have???? Or is this the Al Davis show. Thats not good for business….
July 31st, 2009 at 12:21 pm
That’s just crazy talk KK …
You said yourself this team has a lot of talent on it, so has the GM really done that bad of a job rebuilding these past few years?
We completely sucked arse from a roster standpoint a few years ago, and now we are back on track.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:25 pm
# RaiderDogg Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:05 pm
OG
I never denied Rob Ryan’s lineage and his father’s accomplishments including the infamous Kevin Gilbride punch.
I was just stating the facts about his experience. Try not to get all bent out of shape. Plug in that Hammond and play a little Winwood or something.
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Jeez, dog, I was also just stating the facts and I didn’t post my entry with any animosity at all. I don’t know why you guys read anger into every thing I post. Only missedabrain and dud should do that.
# Dakota Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:05 pm
Oakglenn,
So if Ryan wasn’t the problem it must have been the players right? And since we didn’t change much on defense this offseason, I guess what you are saying is that we might as well have no hope for 2009?
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To me, and it took me a while to get this myself, I think most of our defensive problems stemmed from our complete ineptitude on offense. Plus, Kiffin would purposely do crazy stuff to put the defense at a disadvantage. We all talk about how poor our defense was the last few years, well our offense was COMPLETELY dismal. When you are trailing games or in very very tight games, it does not allow the defense to take many chances and let games get out of hand fast.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:25 pm
jhill Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:16 pm
The only real opportunity to fire Rob Ryan would have been after Kiffin’s first year. But with what was going on, no way Al was going to let Kiffin bring in his guy. If Davis was really high on Ryan, he would’ve got the job over Cable last year.
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The palace intrigue has to stop just as much as opposing running backs. Davis admitted as much.
Like I said, as the defense is concerned…we will know after the 1st week by observing HOW they play and HOW the playcalling evolves. Regardless of the score.
As for the offense, it just appears that Davis allows the coaches more freedom. Gruden and Kiffin were WCO guys…Turner had his offense and it appears Cable/Tollner are going to have their spin. As long as they take shots deep.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:26 pm
Billy Beane is a wreckless hack.
RaiderDogg Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:58 am
For you A’s fans out there:
The A’s have traded SS Orlando Cabrera to the Twins for minor league infielder Tyler Ladendorf and cash.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:28 pm
We need more than just talented players (and its not like we are bursting with talent anyhow)…we also need a coaching staff that is on the same page and implementing a plan and a GM that obtains players that fit into those plans. Do we have that right now? I guess we shall see won’t we?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:29 pm
My hope is that the HC revolving door ends. Let this man coach a few years.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Props to DHB for catching two straight passes today
And I hate Billy Beane.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Well thats what you get for thinking! Whats in your head 2 empty beer cans and a marble ? How a alleged “grown man” can be this brain dead & naive is beyond me.
Oakglenn Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:25 pm
To me, and it took me a while to get this myself, I think most of our defensive problems stemmed from our complete ineptitude on offense.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:33 pm
Post 520, I knew the fight was coming, just happened quicker than i thought…..
July 31st, 2009 at 12:34 pm
Question for Oakglenn, and Mistabrown have you two ever met in real life?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:36 pm
You are the resident expert on trolling so you tell us. My great name was used on #221 I expect it was none other than you.
# Oakglenn Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:40 am
So we are back to the old school trolling of the past?? I thought they got that fixed.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:36 pm
This is going to sound insane, but I’m looking forward to Javon Walker’s return to the field. Based on his health being consisted, I think this is the year he finally turns it around
- He agreed to drastically restructure his contract to prove on the field and stay on the team
- He demonstrated leadership early with some of our young receivers, notable Shilens
- With the addition of veteran leaders like Garcia, Neal and Ellis, Javon seems eager to embrace his role as the veteran leader of the receivers
True, he’s still aloof in many ways (the unreported surgery this summer), but some of his actions so far have been positive.
Finally – and most importantly – how huge if he were to put up big numbers!
July 31st, 2009 at 12:36 pm
Thec, how would that happen?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Twocents Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am
What is the carbon footprint of a pixel?
Trillions of pixels are wasted every day.
Save the pixels!
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Yeah, and Southwick is a long last name too, and they they even spell out the first name Danny Southwick…. That’s alot of wasted pixles. Try D.S., or 4th strg, or something short…
July 31st, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Oakglenn,
I don’t know that your explanation can account for the 2007 season. Kiffin wasn’t purposefully doing things in those games to put the defense in bad spots, in fact, we actually had an advantage in time of possession with our offense controlling the clock with the running game, and yet Rob Ryan’s defense blew how many 4th quarter leads that year? 4? 5? I can’t remember anymore…it was like a nightmare.
How could Kiffin not want a new DC after that? Our supposed great passing defense from 2006 was proven to be a sham, nothing more than a result of teams not having to pass against us because we couldn’t score or stop the run in 2006. no matter who his dad is or what his brother has done, Rob Ryan was a miserable failure in Oakland…let’s see what he can do in Cleveland running a 3-4…
July 31st, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Wow looks like the same morons are still posting here… Anyome who thinks DHB is a bust at this point of training camp is an idiot. The guy is going to be unreal. comparing him to crabtree is a joke. crabtree came from a gimmicky system with a good qb. DHB played with four noodle armed qbs in a prostyle set. DHB was so fast that they had to line him up back off the line several yards so his qb would have a chance… Crabs is a possession guy and we already have one of those in schillens who is bigger and faster than crabtree and also comes with a lot less baggage.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:38 pm
Mistabrown, I would assume that both of you would attend a NATION home game.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Bottom line, Rob Ryan sucked as the DCO…..
You “pros” can try and justify it but the tape
speaks volumes. Ryan was and is a lousy tactician.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Rob Ryan would have coached them down & got less out of them than any other NFL DC.
# Al Davis Has Cojones Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:28 am
Rob Ryan would have been better if he had Ray Lewis, Ed Reed, and Terrell Suggs on the team.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:41 pm
Mo Bigsley = Javon Walker?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:43 pm
Mo Bigsley = Jerry Mac
July 31st, 2009 at 12:44 pm
AZ Raider Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:37 pm
Twocents Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 11:45 am
What is the carbon footprint of a pixel?
Trillions of pixels are wasted every day.
Save the pixels!
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Yeah, and Southwick is a long last name too, and they they even spell out the first name Danny Southwick…. That’s alot of wasted pixles. Try D.S., or 4th strg, or something short…
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AZ Raider, you left out the other Z in your name.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:45 pm
Thec, its possible you and I were also at a game. But did we meet? No. Did we sit in the same section? No. Did we sit in the same row? No.
Get my drift ?
July 31st, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Cash for clunkers is already out of funds & dealers havent been reimbursed for cars they have sold! Cant for GOVT to wreck our health care system!
Liberals are wreckless morons.
July 31st, 2009 at 12:55 pm
Where does the other “Z” go Danny?
…don’t tell me, right after the 1st one right?
July 31st, 2009 at 1:00 pm
could i get someone to paste jerry mcdonalds twitter adress
July 31st, 2009 at 1:02 pm
Mistabrown Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:36 pm
You are the resident expert on trolling so you tell us. My great name was used on #221 I expect it was none other than you.
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Actually, I came in here yesterday morning, and noticed that the registration wall was down and I was the first person in here being trolled. Seeing that, I did not return for the rest of the day. Why be here arguing with the likes of ignorant fools like yourself and then have to deal with trolls besides. In other words, no, it was not me.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:09 pm
# Mistabrown Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:31 pm
Well thats what you get for thinking! Whats in your head 2 empty beer cans and a marble ? How a alleged “grown man” can be this brain dead & naive is beyond me.
Oakglenn Says:
July 31st, 2009 at 12:25 pm
To me, and it took me a while to get this myself, I think most of our defensive problems stemmed from our complete ineptitude on offense.
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See that’s the problem with this guy. He does not have the depth of brain power to understand a concept like this. If a pitcher is winning a game 10-0, he can do things he wouldn’t do in a tie game. If a defense knows their offense is going to put up points, they will address things differently. A defense, in overtime, knows the opponent has the best field goal kicker in the league, they know they have to do things differently. All these things are inter-related. Your offense, defense and special teams affect your other teams on your same side. It happens in all of sports. Coaches and GM’s know this and so do Most excellent sports fans. Imbeciles do not understand it.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:17 pm
Yeah ok thats the reason our defense played with no discipline, out of position, vanilla, soft, and didnt hold gaps.
Nevermind we had good time of possession with our running game & the defense came out of the tunnel and gave up 80 yards TD drives.
Pokeglenn what you are saying isnt complex, its not going over my head. I completely understand the point you are trying to make. The problem with it is…its utterly retraded.
July 31st, 2009 at 1:30 pm
You know I could (once again) prove you have NO IDEA what you are talking about, but it is old hat now. It used to be entertaining watching you humiliate yourself. Now it’s just sad. And that complete Chernobyl you had the other day was scary.
July 31st, 2009 at 6:30 pm
Andrew Walter did get a raw deal with us but I honestly didn’t see much talent in him after he replaced pissy Aaron Brooks in the Baltimore Ravens game a couple of years ago. I hope that he can get some time somewhere and prove that he can get it done.
As far as DHB goes, the media needs to let him do his thing and learn the pro game like every other receiver has had to do when they first get to the league. They are using him to keep trying to kick the Nation while they feel we are down.
I do feel that we are gonna turn this around this year. Once the youngsters start to grow up in camp. They are gonna learn that winning is fun and tell everybody to kiss their #^$.
August 2nd, 2009 at 1:07 pm
It’s pretty obvious that DHB catches more passes than he drops, so why is it that people go out of their way to report only on the drops? Why not report on the good things along with the bad, and stop fueling the anti-Raiders hate parade with ammo?
The more I read your reports, the more I realize that shouldn’t be allowed to report on anything that involves the Raiders. Your articles are starting to scream if bias and hatred for the team.