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First day of school

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, July 30th, 2009 at 3:01 pm in Oakland Raiders.

In the earlier post I referenced the Raiders’ ultra-light practice session which aborted plays with a whistle within a second or two of the snap.

It was a practice which would be scoffed at by old-timers. When the Raiders said they were going twice a day for the first four days Tom Cable was called “Old School,’’ when in reality it was just “school.’’

It looked about as strenuous as a day behind a desk, toting the math book to a locker while grabbing another for biology.

Tweets from Kirk Morrison and Darren McFadden, referencing their need for naps after the practice, were amusing in that light.

Still, some players made a solid argument to the method behind the lack of madness, other than saving their bodies and avoiding the brutality of blitz pick-up drills.

“I think it’s great because we get to get our bodies and our minds re-acclimated for getting to football, so when we get in on Monday, it’s pop, pop, pop, and you don’t have any excuse about rust, because you’ve already had an opportunity to get it out of the way,’’ strong side linebacker Jon Alston said.

Free safety Hiram Eugene, from his familiar spot well behind the rest of the defense, insisted there was plenty to be gained from the format.

“What I’m accomplishing is the focus aspect of getting proper depth on my alignment, also just visualizing, seeing what’s going on, and when the time comes when I’m breaking full speed I can just see that much better,’’ Eugene said.

Said JaMarcus Russell: “He’s doing it this way so on Monday we’ll have a sense of what’s going on.’’

More sights and sounds from the morning session:

– “A lot of the younger players, Louis Murphy, we had Todd Watkins, we had Will Franklin, Jonathan Holland, a lot of guys where we could be ourselves with nobody listening. You never know what you’re able to do,’’ _ Russell when asked who attended his passing camp in Alabama.

– Wide receiver Chaz Schilens had a prior engagement and said he could not attend. He did, however, get in some off-season work with Jeff Garcia in San Diego.

– “I try to let the money go away. But since other people bring it up, it is something that a lotta people that have been playing football their whole life and the work they put in as a kid up to now they final got paid for it.

“That’s the way I look at it. So other than that as a quarterback you are always in the eye so play close attention to what you do never know who’s watching.’’ _ Russell on coping with the money and fame that goes with being an NFL starting quarterback and No. 1 overall draft pick.

– “Depends on who we’re playing, just like every other year. There are certain games where I will follow a guy, there are certain games where if a guy starts hurting us then I’ll follow him. And there are certain games where we’re not worried about it and we’ll just stay on both sides. It will be pretty similar,’’ _ Raiders cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha on whether he’ll shadow the opposition’s best receiver.

– Sounds as if new left end Greg Ellis isn’t going to miss being an outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense.

“It felt good to know, all right, pretty much every time I’m going to be rushing,’’ Ellis said.

Well, on the pass plays, anyway. How Ellis will play the run in Oakland remains to be seen. He typically came off the field against run-heavy teams like the New York Giants.

–“To me, the short time being with him, he seems to say, `OK these guys do this the best so that’s what we’re going to need to do, ‘’ Ellis on the defensive philosophy of coordinator John Marshall.

– Cable is in to slogans. He designed a T-shirt that said, “Wanted, 53 men committed to one purpose’’ on the front.

On the back of the shirt is the printed paragraph: “Once a man has made a commitment to a way of life he puts the greatest strength in the world behind him. It’s something we call heart power. Once a man has made this commitment nothing will stop him short of success.’’

– The Raiders are said to be waiting for league approval on the contract of Darrius Heyward-Bey before he can attend practice, which would probably be later today or during one of Friday’s sessions. On his twitter account, agent Alvin Keels reports an inside source saying DHB will get $23.5 million guaranteed and that the deal has a maximum value of $54 million.

Keels is not DHB’s agent, by the way. He’s represented by Tom Condon and Ben Dogra of CAA Sports.

– I’ll post a brief review of the second practice later this evening.

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219 Responses to “First day of school”

  1. ggraider Says:

    FIRST

  2. JT52 Says:

    OK glad to see DHB signed and on his way to camp but…..

    Damn we got a lot of money tied up on a handful of guys. I know salary cap is all spaced out to allow for it all but DAMN

    Asomugha 15M/ yr

    Kelly 8M/yr

    McFadden 10M/yr

    Russell 10M/yr

    DHB 11M/yr

    Gallery 8M/yr

    Warren 6M/yr

    When will Morrison and Howard get their payday? Both those guys deserve 6M/yr or more IMHO

    I believe morrison is in a contract year am i right? Howard has one more to go. We are looking at an uncapped year which is great but can a team in the bottom of the revenue column afford this?

  3. JT52 Says:

    OK I just remembered that Fox sports gives a pretty accurate breakdown of player salaries for the year and Kelly is making 14M this season! DAMN! Asomugha 10M DAMN

  4. TownRaider510 Says:

    Yaaaaay….

  5. 24 Says:

    Kelly has to seriously stop jumping offsides.

  6. 24 Says:

    I guess we’re logging in old school?

  7. SNB Defense Says:

    We should all expect Tommy Kelly to be considered a top 2 or 3 DT when this season is done.

    No excuses!

  8. SNB Defense Says:

    Warren & Kelly should rank as the best or 2nd best (Williams Bros in Minnesota) DT tandem in the NFL.

    Raiders have a lot of players getting paid a lot of money. Its time for these players to perform at the level of their paycheck

  9. Oakglenn Says:

    Well, looks like I’m back in control you dimwits

  10. Mike OReilly Says:

    Football is coreography, so it makes a lot of sense that Cable wants to walk through player placement. The hitting and tackling can come after all the player placement is set up. I really like the idea behind teaching fundamentals, it builds sound technique and execution.

  11. texguy Says:

    Dakota Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 7:31 am
    DHB’s deal is reportedly 6 years, $62 million with a $32.5 million dollar signing bonus and $55 million guaranteed over the life of the contract.

    It is a 42% increase over last year’s #7 pick and it rivals this years #1 pick Matt Stafford’s contract (6 years, $72 million)
    ==========================================
    So much for that bull……

  12. 909RaiderLifer Says:

    Jerry Mac… thanx for the FIX!

    I’m going to wait and see, on Cable’s “method behind the lack of madness”.

    Our previous Coach’s “methods” haven’t fared very well, so lets just wait and see what the fat man, and his staff can do.

    We’ll all find out soon enough.

    IN OTHER NEWS: Lamar re-signs with the Lakers.

  13. RaiderDogg Says:

    in other news I knew that Big Papi and Manny were on the juice in 2003! No juice, no rings!

    It seems the Patriots aren’t the only New England team that needs to cheat to win!

  14. 24 Says:

    Maybe Al Davis needs to cheat more.

  15. gabe Says:

    finally!

  16. Norco Bob Says:

    Jerry, myself and others who are hip to you, and Nancy for that matter, know you only creep the halls of the marriott for the free food. You think being in the media means you can just eat for free everywhere,..and it shows you fat little punk.

  17. RaiderDogg Says:

    Vic

    Ease up on Jerry. Did he phuk your wife or something geez!

  18. Norco Bob Says:

    Anyway Jerry me and some friends will be by the pool at the marriott next week, we will keep an eye open for you.

  19. KoolKell Says:

    Narco Boob

    I’ll be at Camp Aug 6th. I’d like to meet you.

  20. 24 Says:

    This should be fun.

  21. Norco Bob Says:

    Kool, look scumbag if thats some sort of threat you feel free to come to any of our tailgates in A lot.

  22. AZ Raider Says:

    Dang, Bob is pissed!

  23. KoolKell Says:

    Oh, you said you were going to be in Napa next week, so am I, I thought we could meet at that time, no?

  24. AZ Raider Says:

    It’s funny how Raider fans hate Raider fans in here… It’s been a few years since I’ve been to a game, but last I was there, we all got along fine LOL… It’s not about opinions anymore on game day guys. :)

  25. Norco Bob Says:

    Marriott or A lot punk…either way,..Hayes is after that.

  26. Norco Bob Says:

    AZ dude,..Kool isnt a raider fan,..hes a punk that likes to hang in a raider blog snivlin about politics,..as he knows anything about it,..just a loser in an Obama t-shirt is all he is.

  27. KoolKell Says:

    I get to go behind the shield Aug 6th, whoooohoooo! Next Thursday. I’ll be in my Black #2, 6-3 aprox 200lbs, 55 years old.

  28. Spirit of 76 Says:

    was sup Nation

  29. beeecham Says:

    Norco Slob, glad to see you’re back from you’re earlier appearance as Brian! Man, you really are making a comeback.

    Krappy, let’s be real. What professional sports team would allow a senior citizen onto their practice field with a steaming dump in his pants? Not only would it be a distraction to the players trying to learn a new system, but it would also threaten the integrity of the playing field.

    C’mon Krappy – let’s give the boys a break. They had to deal with a coaching change last year … and now this?

  30. 24 Says:

    Norco – Why not just meet up with KoolKell and see how it goes? It can’t be that bad right?

  31. KoolKell Says:

    I paid $70 to the Alameda Chamber of Commerce to go.

  32. 24 Says:

    I hate to be nieve but is it pretty easy to see the Raiders practice? What does it cost?

  33. beeecham Says:

    KrappyKell’s Official Measurements:

    6′3″
    55 years old
    182 lbs
    + 18 lbs of fresh dump in underwear

  34. Norco Bob Says:

    Ah hell,..kool nevermind,..wont mess with you,..will get my dad to…lol…must suck to be a 55 year old hangin in a blog talkin like a teenager,..grow up old man.

  35. KoolKell Says:

    Narco Boob

    You have my description and what I’ll be wearing. I’ll be happy to hear any complaints you might have about me. Ciao.

  36. FIREKIFFIN Says:

    What’s up fellas?

  37. Norco Bob Says:

    Kool,..seriously,…enough,..you have gone way beyond embarrassing yourself.

  38. AZ Raider Says:

    Norco Bob Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 4:25 pm
    AZ dude,..Kool isnt a raider fan,..hes a punk that likes to hang in a raider blog snivlin about politics,..as he knows anything about it,..just a loser in an Obama t-shirt is all he is.
    ……………………………………………….

    Can’t be worse than Beecham though LOL… That guy is a douche for sure. In all the time i’ve been posting here he’s only said 2 things about football/Raiders.

    he said:

    “training camp”

    Then just a few hours later he said:

    “training camp” again!

    That was the extent of it though :(

  39. 24 Says:

    JaMarcus: “I’m probably a little heavy”

    Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 30, 2009 6:04 PM ET
    After a few recent posts on Al Davis’ team, some commenters from Raider Nation have noted the posts were missing a sarcastic remark regarding JaMarcus Russell’s weight.

    That’s going to be tough to avoid this time.

    Russell admitted to being a little chunky upon his arrival at training camp today, according to Jerry McDonald’s Twitter page.

    “I’m probably a little heavy. But I’m not 300 pounds like you all said last year.”

    Russell’s listed weight is 270 pounds and the San Francisco Chronicle guesses that he’s not too far over that number.

    But any slippage before this crucial year gives more ammunition to those who believe Russell simply doesn’t get it.

    On the plus side of the maturity ledger, Russell said that his receivers camp in Alabama went well last month.

    Russell paid four receivers to come on his dime. Unfortunately, none of the wideouts are currently in the top four spots on Oakland’s depth chart.

    Ultimately, Russell’s production on Sundays will be all that matters. If he improves, his weight issues almost become amusing. If he stagnates, they are a sign of a poor work ethic.

    And if Russell starts to decline, Jeff Garcia is eagerly waiting in the wings.

  40. exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:

    Per Jerry on twitter, Walter has been released.

  41. KoolKell Says:

    24, The Raiders invited the Alameda Chamber of Commerce. My boss is a Director of the Chamber, and he says they’ve been notified Twice, that anyone approching, speaking to, or looking at Al Davis will be ejected immediately. (True Story)

  42. KoolKell Says:

    Norco Bob Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Kool,..seriously,…enough,..you have gone way beyond embarrassing yourself.
    ———————————
    Wouldn’t be the first time tough guy. Nor the last either, I reckon. ;-)

  43. SNB Defense Says:

    exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 4:34 pm
    Per Jerry on twitter, Walter has been released.
    =======================================================
    Good! It was shameful the way the Raiders treated that kid. Shameful!

  44. Spirit of 76 Says:

    Look what da dogs drug home! gettin some grit back in this b1tch! What it be Bob?

  45. Raider75 Says:

    JaMarcus: “I’m probably a little heavy”
    Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 30, 2009 6:04 PM ET
    After a few recent posts on Al Davis’ team, some commenters from Raider Nation have noted the posts were missing a sarcastic remark regarding JaMarcus Russell’s weight.

    That’s going to be tough to avoid this time.

    Russell admitted to being a little chunky upon his arrival at training camp today, according to Jerry McDonald’s Twitter page.

    “I’m probably a little heavy. But I’m not 300 pounds like you all said last year.”

    Russell’s listed weight is 270 pounds and the San Francisco Chronicle guesses that he’s not too far over that number.

    But any slippage before this crucial year gives more ammunition to those who believe Russell simply doesn’t get it.

    On the plus side of the maturity ledger, Russell said that his receivers camp in Alabama went well last month.

    Russell paid four receivers to come on his dime. Unfortunately, none of the wideouts are currently in the top four spots on Oakland’s depth chart.

    Ultimately, Russell’s production on Sundays will be all that matters. If he improves, his weight issues almost become amusing. If he stagnates, they are a sign of a poor work ethic.

  46. Raider75 Says:

    24 already got it. sorry for the double post

  47. 24 Says:

    KoolKell – Good story. Have fun.

  48. SNB Defense Says:

    I mean they drafted the kid…provided him with the worst teammates imagineable, worst coaching ever seen, benched him at the end of 2006, drafted a new QB, MADE HIM 4TH STRING AFTER HE OUTPERFORMED MCCOWN/CULPEPPER, refused to give him his release, 2nd string again and then bitterly retain him all the way to training camp thus making it hard for him to catch on somewhere else.

    Just ridiculous

  49. 24 Says:

    DHB is in uniform according to David White.

  50. Big Boy Says:

    “Darrius Heyward-Bey is in the house and in uniform. Welcome to the NFL.”

    - David White, twitter

  51. Florida Pete Says:

    ESPN is showing the tuck rule game… right now on the east coast… don’t know about the west coast…

    just passing it along…

  52. 24 Says:

    SNB – I completely agree. Watch Walter get signed by the Patriots, see Brady re-hurt his knee in week 4 and Walter put up Cassell type numbers from last year. Haha.

  53. FIREKIFFIN Says:

    I can’t believe you losers waste your life in here on a daily basis.

    I haven’t read the comments in over six months and it’s like I never left.

    Your life is GROUNDHOD DAY.

    Just Win Baby.

  54. Norco Bob Says:

    Kool,..so you want to go to a place where you have to walk around in fear you might accidently look a person in the eyes and get arrested or escorted off propert?…that some kind of honor?…f*ck that,…by the way, this blog is just how I remembered it,..bunch of a-holes,…with brien wouldnt have told me today the reg was off,..Im gone,..screw all of you and jerry and this blog.

  55. KoolKell Says:

    #48

    Too many agendas other than winning.

  56. 24 Says:

    FireKiffin – Yeah shocking. We were talking Raiders when you were here and we’re still talking Raiders. What a shocking development. I knew you were smart.

  57. SNB Defense Says:

    Is that backup PUNTER still on the roster?

  58. 24 Says:

    Norco – I guess you’re a Niner fan now?

  59. FIREKIFFIN Says:

    Fluffy, you are the lowest of the low.

    Didn’t you give the Nation your WORD that you would no longer be a Raider fan if Kiffy got canned?

  60. RaiderJohn Says:

    You guys want to see pics of how big Russell is?
    Taken this morning.

    http://ck0712digit.blogspot.com/2009/07/raiders-skins-camp-pics-from-across.html

  61. 24 Says:

    I just can’t believe Southwick was released. What are we going to do? haha.

  62. AZ Raider Says:

    DHB IS ON THE FIELD RIGHT NOW!

    Jerry’s twitter…

  63. 24 Says:

    FireKiffin – You haven’t even been here in 6 months according to you and you want to talk about whether my Raider Loyalty is legit? Please…

  64. Big Boy Says:

    great news we got all draft picks into camp. dhb only missed the morning tutorial, will be at the evening session. hope that hammy is healed up, he needs all august to gel with jruss. receiver battles will be some fun to watch, see if murphy and dhb can challenge shilens and jlh for a starting job.

    have high hopes for the o line this year with cable and mescelic(sp?) teaming up and making it their focus. with a whole training camp at lt, i see mario really nailing down the position. hoping green gets unseated by someone on the right side, maybe pears? id even take barnes if wins it.

  65. Matt Says:

    I think all of the talk about how much everything will pay off on Monday is crap. These guys are just glad they aren’t smashing into each other every other second. Trust me, I played football and practices were much easier when we didn’t have to hit.

  66. Tony Pigagosa Says:

    where is that Fat pasta eatin mother fukker Oakglenn? Gettin his shine box?

  67. 24 Says:

    I think the Raiders need to stop screwing with the Barnes on the LT idea and just move him to RT now so he can get acclimated quickly and be ready for the season. The guy already knows how to play LT and he didn’t do it well enough last season to stick with the Jags. Just make the transition easier.

  68. 24 Says:

    Matt – Well the truth is…the less hitting, the less chance for injury and there will be plenty of hitting to go around once they start so I agree…Theres no rush. I’d hate to see Mitchell take out Murphy so quickly.

  69. 24 Says:

    Also…so much for the Shields idea at WR huh?

  70. SNB Defense Says:

    24 Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 4:49 pm
    I think the Raiders need to stop screwing with the Barnes on the LT idea and just move him to RT now so he can get acclimated quickly and be ready for the season. The guy already knows how to play LT and he didn’t do it well enough last season to stick with the Jags. Just make the transition easier.
    =======================================================
    Agreed. Pears and Green are probably not better than Barnes

  71. 24 Says:

    Anybody a fan of the S.F. Giants?

  72. Big Boy Says:

    “DHB is stretching. I know, breathless stuff. i’ll post if he actually gets on the field.”

    - David White, twitter

  73. FIREKIFFIN Says:

    Fluffy, Did you say you were OUT if Kiffin got fired or not?

  74. SNB Defense Says:

    KoolKell Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 4:43 pm
    #48

    Too many agendas other than winning.
    ======================================================
    Sometimes it seems that way. The thing I didn’t like was Walter was begging for his release for the last couple of years AND he wasn’t in the Raiders plans.

    They could have groomed another young backup in his spot…I don’t know….

    It will be hard for Walter to catch on in August..versus catching on in March. He didn’t deserve this.

    The Raiders failed him by awful coaching, swapping systems, poor gameplans and the like.

    I’ll be chearing for the kid going forward

  75. AZ Raider Says:

    24,

    With the WR’s we have at camp right now, do you really want him?

    Chaz
    JLH
    DHB
    Murphy
    Watkins
    Holland

    I’d be happy with the top 4 there….

  76. SNB Defense Says:

    24 Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 4:51 pm
    Also…so much for the Shields idea at WR huh?
    =======================================================
    Yeah…I don’t think he was in the plans once Louis Murphy was discovered. Shields was drafted because he ran a great 40x. The Raiders thought they could shelve him for a year and use him next yr. But then Murphy became available.

    The Raiders always try to unearth diamonds in the rough. That’s why they look at measurables or look for players that may be undervalued due to a knee injury

  77. NoMoreFargas Says:

    # 24 Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    Anybody a fan of the S.F. Giants?
    ————————————————————-
    I am 24

  78. RaiderDogg Says:

    KoolKell Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
    Norco Bob Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 4:33 pm

    Kool,..seriously,…enough,..you have gone way beyond embarrassing yourself.
    ———————————
    Wouldn’t be the first time tough guy. Nor the last either, I reckon.”

    That’s what I’m talking about Kell. Thanks for the laugh.

  79. RaiderDogg Says:

    thanks for the link RaiderJohn

  80. J Garcia Says:

    I sux dix on the reg.

  81. Norco Bob Says:

    Im gay and proud of it.

  82. 24 Says:

    AZ Raider – Honestly…none of the 6 names you mentioned has done anything worthy enough of anything. JLH has shown some flashes and playmaking ability and Schilens has shown flashes of great hands and outside of that…everything has been inconsistent and is an unknown so I’m not exactly thrilled until someone steps up. Shields would just be another unknown name to the list but would give us better odds with him there. The thing that bothers me the most is these wasted draft picks. It may not seem like a big deal now but its a big deal in regards to the future.

    And the future has to be bright. Its like having a farm system in baseball. You need to develop your own talent and the reason the Raiders have failed over the last 6 years is their poor development skills. I mean…Sam Williams? After all these years, find someone else. They keep the wrong guys, they draft the wrong guys and they waste too much time. I just think they need to make smarter decisions.

  83. Norco Bob Says:

    I have the AIDS. :(

  84. 24 Says:

    NoMoreFargas – What did you think of the trades for Garko and Sanchez?

  85. 909RaiderLifer Says:

    Good luck, Andrew. Tell your mom we said hello.

  86. Teabag Says:

    Burgess and a 2nd for Wilfork PLZZZZ

  87. 24 Says:

    I was actually happy with the Javon Walker signing when we got him but I wasn’t happy with the amount of money we paid him. I personally think hes a very good WR but hes constantly proving me wrong. The Vegas thing really screwed things. The knee problem gave him a mulligan for last year and I thought…ok…he’ll turn this thing around and have a big year for us and then he goes off and gets another surgery right before camp starts. That kind of crap pisses me off. His priorities are out of whack. I seriously think the guy has talent but his head literally isn’t in the game.

    If he gets his act together, I think we have an 85 catch, 1200 yard receiver with 8-10 TD’s and all the other WR’s around him can only benefit from that but I’m not so sure now that he had another surgery. Hes going to be soft once again.

  88. The RaiderCast | First day of school Says:

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  89. 24 Says:

    Is Vince Wilfork having contract issues with the Pats?

  90. 24 Says:

    Jerrymcd DHB takes first snap against, ran a deep streak, wide left, drops pass 35 yds downfield from Charlie Frye. Not great pass, but catchable.
    3 minutes ago from PockeTwit

  91. Nnamdi21 Says:

    jt52: “I believe morrison is in a contract year am i right? Howard has one more to go. We are looking at an uncapped year which is great but can a team in the bottom of the revenue column afford this?”

    =======================================

    Depends on the collective bargaining agreement. If they don’t reach an agreement (they won’t) we’ll get Morrison for another year.

  92. Nnamdi21 Says:

    Norco Bob Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 5:05 pm
    I have the AIDS.

    =============================

    Apparently we’re back to the old days and all our registering was for naught.

    BS

  93. 24 Says:

    Ouch…The boxer Gatti’s wife was cleared and let out of prison after it was determined his death was a suicide. Somebody is gonna get it for the early conviction on her.

  94. FIREKIFFIN Says:

    Get a life LOSERS.

    I’ll be back when the REAL season starts.

    JUST WIN BABY.

  95. ottocrat Says:

    DHB on the field for first time, goes deep right … Ball slips through both hands. Sorry, folks.

  96. ottocrat Says:

    the above is per david white

  97. KoolKell Says:

    Can anybody twitter Jerry about registration?

  98. 24 Says:

    Sure.

  99. DarthPirate Says:

    What happened to the registration system?

    Anyway, thanks for your hard work jerry.

  100. Raider Fan - 405 Says:

    nice old school post login – weird.

    Sounds like the 2nd practice is doing more than blowing the whistle before the snap.

    Might actually hear something soon!!

    Why oh why do I have the feeling we might hear “DHB and all slips through both hands” way to often?

  101. 24 Says:

    KoolKell – I asked him. We’ll see what happens.

  102. RaiderRobG Says:

    51.

    Those bastards love showing that crap. I’m glad the roid thing is coming out, showing Boston to be a town of sport cheats.

    Hoody, that trophy belongs to us!

  103. 24 Says:

    What good is speed when there are no hands?

  104. DarthPirate Says:

    Jeez, C’mon Bey. Catch the ball… :D

  105. 24 Says:

    Lets just hope DHB has bad practices and great games.

  106. KoolKell Says:

    Thanks 24, I’m hoping they’re not finished with the server turnover.

  107. KoolKell Says:

    DHB just put 8 mill in the bank, he’s probably a little light headed.

  108. DHBFUKINSUX Says:

    26 mil. down the drain

  109. 24 Says:

    Honestly…T.O. is known for the drops and hes a great player with a bad attitude. Maybe DHB can be a great player with a good attitude and we can deal with a few drops. Kelly’s jumping offsides all the time is more alarming to me.

  110. RaiderRobG Says:

    24.

    It’s not so much a hate thing, but an annoyance that no matter how crapy this teams gets certain Raider fans have this stupid notion that the owner can do no wrong.

    Now from a historical standpoint a Donald Sterling, Al Davis is not but in Todays NFL the, “Al Davis can do no wrong Raider fan” might as well support Donald Sterling without question as the do Davis.

    The old man has lost it and some Raider fans can stand to bear the thought.

    P.S. We’ve not seen the last of Andrew Walter on Sunday.

  111. RaiderRobG Says:

    26 million could have landed Boldin.

  112. KoolKell Says:

    RaiderRobG Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 5:32 pm
    24.

    It’s not so much a hate thing, but an annoyance that no matter how crapy this teams gets certain Raider fans have this stupid notion that the owner can do no wrong.
    —————–
    Sorry to but in, but I’ve been dealing with those people for years. Owner or not, just as a GM, the record is horrible and the moves get stranger and stranger.

  113. 24 Says:

    RaiderRobG – I would have liked to have had Boldin. I would have traded our #1 for him.

  114. 24 Says:

    The funny thing about the people who love Al Davis is…they don’t seem to appreciate Jon Gruden as a Raider. I don’t everyone but a good amount and that tells me that those fans are ok with ANYTHING Al Davis does and thats simply wrong. I’m willing to give credit to Al Davis for the things he does great and hiring Jon Gruden was great and providing Gruden the team that he did was great. I don’t want to get into this again but he really put out a great product and I appreciated it but its been terrible ever since then and hard to explain.

    If some fans think everything Al Davis has done over the last 6 years is anything good…age must not be the problem with AD because too many different kinds of people share his ideas and that just makes them a cult.

  115. KoolKell Says:

    SnB

    I was hoping Russell would come in a little bit slimer. He looks bigger to me.

  116. Norco Bob Says:

    Im bent over and loving it. Thinking of Joe Montana gets me real hard. :)

  117. 24 Says:

    I swear that if Al Davis told people to put a gun to their head and pull the trigger or to drink poison, some would do it.

    I’ll concede that Gruden did a poor job in Tampa Bay. Fine. Gruden and Bruce Allen did a poor job and they failed but their seasons looked incredible when you compare them to Al Davis’ in that same timeframe. The Great Al Davis couldn’t do better in his 6 year stint than Gruden and Allen. Once again…it tells me that if you put Gruden, Allen and Davis in the same building, you have a winning product that can reach the Superbowl.

  118. 24 Says:

    KoolKell – Maybe he has more muscle? haha.

  119. Norco Bob Says:

    Me and Kell, together, him in his Aaron Brooks jersey, me in my 16 red jersey…ebony and ivory, :)

  120. Salvida Says:

    DHB may not have great hands but catching can be taught, just ask Rickey Dudley…

  121. Terrapin Says:

    Not much to opine on here ….I still expect Burgess to depart. If what’s being said is true of Burgess’ insistence on being LDE. Ellis being named the starter there pretty much seals the deal.

    Sad for Shields. Injuries …bummer.

    ABSOLUTELY GREAT news on ONeal. Hopefully he can regain form. That guy was crucial, absolutely pivotal to the Raiders ground attack being Elite. I see them very slowly working him in during the season if he remains on the mend.

    Its clear to see that Cable’s “learning intensive” practices are going to be often criticized by the media and maybe fans if the Ws don’t come running in.

  122. Fat Jamarcus Says:

    I’m FAT and HAPPY.

    I hate to break it to you guys but football is just a job.

    It is just a way to put FOOD on the table.

    I need alot of FOOD.

  123. Terrapin Says:

    I still miss Kiffin.

  124. 24 Says:

    Jon Gruden

    Raiders: 38 W – 26 L 1998-2001
    Buccaneers: 57 W – 55 L 2002-2008

    Al Davis

    Raiders: 35 W – 77 L 2002-2008

    Say what you want.

  125. 24 Says:

    Walter will be in the Pro Bowl in two years. Mark my words.

  126. RaiderRobG Says:

    120. Classic! That’s the best crack I’ve heard all day!

    Jungle worthy!

  127. 24 Says:

    I miss Gruden.

  128. Norco Bob Says:

    Niners win superbowl before Faiders…mark my words.

  129. Terrapin Says:

    damn ..trolls come out quick around here:

    *********************************
    # Terrapin Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 5:53 pm

    I still miss Kiffin.

    **********************************

    Oh well, THE REAL TERRAPIN IS OUT. Wasn’t much going on to even bother putting up with some idiot troll. Some dudes just need to get a life.

  130. RaiderRobG Says:

    Yep they’re just going to let Walter go, and act like that shitty line he played behind didn’t have anything to do with his performances. Dude didn’t sling the rock and break records in the PAC-ten and all of the sudden forget how to play QB.

    I fault the SEC and ESPN for the Jamarcus hype. That conference and some of the players in it are overrated…except Dmac, he’s cool.

  131. DarthPirate Says:

    so was DHB’s drop the last play of practice? Haven’t heard anything since.

  132. 24 Says:

    DarthPirate – Nothing else has been reported. I think Jerry ran and hid when I asked him about registration haha.

  133. mistabrown Says:

    I’m a dick sucking loser boy.

  134. KoolKell Says:

    I would love for Al to at least hire a good young GM/person. Let the kid run it, with Al as a counselor/Godfather.

  135. KoolKell Says:

    There’s Someone here who should read this:

    Antisocial Personality Disorder is a condition characterized by persistent disregard for, and violation of, the rights of others that begins in childhood or early adolescence and continues into adulthood. Deceit and manipulation are central features of this disorder. For this diagnosis to be given, the individual must be at least 18, and must have had some symptoms of Conduct Disorder (i.e., delinquency) before age 15. This disorder is only diagnosed when these behaviors become persistent and very disabling or distressing.

  136. omniscienc Says:

    Here we go again first i heard DHB signed 62 mil than 54 mil now 38 mil 5 years that is not to bad for 7th pick. bet Craptree holds out Al just jacked his payday. if we would have waited till he signed would be paying more, Also I wont belief that DHB twitter stuff till friday thats when i heard he was showing up after contract is approved by league.

  137. RaiderDogg Says:

    KoolKell Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 6:05 pm
    I would love for Al to at least hire a good young GM/person. Let the kid run it, with Al as a counselor/Godfather.”

    I would be down with that, although maybe not too young.

  138. 24 Says:

    http://santaclaraca.gov/city_gov/49er_stadium_proposal.html

    The newest information on the 49er Stadium. This is important because the Raiders may share the stadium.

  139. 24 Says:

    What Al Davis needs is a son who is not a pu$$y who would want to run the Raiders.

  140. Salvida Says:

    Walters career stats 3 TD’s/ 16 INT/ 51 SAcks in 333 attempts… oh I forgot the fumbles… Would have liked to see what he could do in ‘07 but quiffin like mcclown instead

  141. 24 Says:

    The fact is…Walter needs an offensive line who can protect him. He never had that in Oakland so he obviously wasn’t a good fit.

  142. Brien the 510 General Says:

    24, I know Gruden was a good coach in Oakland. I didnt like his personality or philosophy but he helped turn things around. The Raider were relevant again but he had help from the old man. Gruden wanted 2 shake away and thats that. Happens in the world. Time to move on.

  143. Raider O Says:

    What’s up Nation?

    I see the Trolls are enjoying themselves. lol

  144. RaiderDogg Says:

    http://tfdssports.com/2009/07/30/raider-camp-day-2-de-ellis-and-dc-marshall-draw-raves.html

  145. 24 Says:

    Hey…at least Walter can say he got drafted in the 3rd round. Teams could have passed on him throughout the draft. This means he got a decent paycheck as a 3rd rounder and even though Al Davis might have screwed him in some ways, he still had a job and still got paid over that period of time and at least Al Davis acknowledged that he felt bad for Walter after what happened to him in 2006 so in one way, he hurt him but he helped him in other ways.

  146. omniscienc Says:

    If Dakota is right (and he has been occasionally) about the DHB contract, then it demonstrates why the Raiders have the highest wage bill and the lowest average performance. Madness.

    Sedrick Ellis was No7 in 2008 and his contract is for $49 million, with $19.5 million guaranteed. Which wally has agreed a 42% premium on that?

    her are you great reporters

  147. RaiderDogg Says:

    Walter to Vikings?

  148. Norco Bob Says:

    My butt hurts.

  149. Brien the 510 General Says:

    Walter to the CFL?

  150. texguy Says:

    Omni…Read below.

    texguy Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 3:44 pm
    Dakota Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 7:31 am
    DHB’s deal is reportedly 6 years, $62 million with a $32.5 million dollar signing bonus and $55 million guaranteed over the life of the contract.

    It is a 42% increase over last year’s #7 pick and it rivals this years #1 pick Matt Stafford’s contract (6 years, $72 million)
    ==========================================
    So much for that bull……

  151. Norco Bob Says:

    Jerry Rice…the greatest Raider ever.

  152. Brien the 510 General Says:

    Wow dhb dropped a pass. What did Crabtree do?

  153. Norco Bob Says:

    Crabtree will be in pro bowl as a rookie baby,…hes hotter then dhb too and you know it!!! :)

  154. KoolKell Says:

    OK Tard Boy whatever you say tough guy.

    Time for soem Jay Richards tweets, come on Jerry, where are your tweets?

  155. omniscienc Says:

    I bet DHB just dropped another open pass from Soutwick

  156. RaiderKen Says:

    Does anyone know if Mike Mitchell has signed and is in camp?

  157. KoolKell Says:

    I’ll be in Napa Narco, you know what I look like. Lets do this punk. I’m going to whoop you like your dumass daddy should have!

  158. Brien the 510 General Says:

    How about our other wr? Are they dropping passes?

  159. Brien the 510 General Says:

    Imagine what Al’s lifetime record would be if it wasn’t for Gruden. Fuq Al Davis.

  160. RaiderDogg Says:

    RaiderKen Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 6:33 pm
    Does anyone know if Mike Mitchell has signed and is in camp?”

    Mitchell officially signed on 7/29

  161. Brien the 510 General Says:

    My god who cant just crack up reading this stuff

  162. Norco Bob Says:

    Well Im off, Im going to go prance around with my Joe Montana jersey on,..with a hard on!!! :)

  163. Raider O Says:

    Ken,

    I know he signed a contract, but I’m not sure if he was in camp today.

  164. 24 Says:

    I don’t like all these articles on how the Raiders are going to blitz alot more. I’ll believe it when I see it, otherwise its just a bunch of smoke.

  165. RaiderKen Says:

    Thanks Dogg
    I’ve been on vacation and just got back.

  166. RaiderDogg Says:

    O

    I believe everyone was accounted for except Burgess

  167. Brien the 510 General Says:

    If it sounds like I’m cranky today it’s because there’s a mouse stuck in my ass. I knew I shouldn’t have tried it.

  168. RaiderKen Says:

    What’s up on the limited posted warning? Is it timed or post counts?

  169. 24 Says:

    bydavidwhite Wish there was something to report. No plays are being run. Just choreographing stuff.
    35 minutes ago from web

    Jerrymcd Pracitce concludes. No plays run to completion, no other DHB chances. Will file another Raiders blog shortly . . .
    4 minutes ago from web

  170. Norco Bob Says:

    Im up in koolkell right now, I hope hes loving it because I am, oh, by the way hes wearing a pretty steve young jersey.

  171. Raider O Says:

    Dogg,

    And DHB!

    I can’t wait to see Mitchell hit.

  172. Brien the 510 General Says:

    Bob, are you going to pick me up in Dave’s RV today?

  173. 24 Says:

    The coaching staff probably realized they had to choreograph how to catch a pass for DHB after they saw him drop one haha.

  174. Norco Bob Says:

    Brien, on our way right now. Dave’s coming here, I’m going to pick up my pills and wine, and the three of us are taking the RV to the Bahamas.

  175. Brien the 510 General the only Says:

    Nice one troll. Unlike other folks I find the trolling quite amusing. Troll on

  176. Brien The 510 General The Only Says:

    See you soon, Bob. I remember when we took Dave’s RV to Australia.

  177. RaiderDogg Says:

    O

    All I can say is Mitchell better not be concussion prone!

  178. Raider O Says:

    Mitchell wants to knock out Murphy, but he can’t. lol
    Mitchell said: I was instructed to keep everybody up.

    I like this kid a lot!

  179. Brien The 510 General The Only Says:

    Butter in my ass

  180. Oakglenn Says:

    I’m blogging!

  181. Brien the 510 General the only Says:

    Monday will be the best time to have real interesting debate. Jerry will have the server up tho lol

  182. 24 Says:

    I’d like to hear Branch talking about knocking heads off too but of course…if hes going to quietly kill people, I’m ok with that but lets start showing the skills this year finally because hes been nothing but soft up to this point.

  183. Raider O Says:

    Tatum & Lott were healthy, and I think so will he. IMHO

  184. Brien the 510 General the master Says:

    Anyhow, catch yall later

  185. RaiderDogg Says:

    24

    Branch was a rookie last year and he broke his arm hitting someone. That doesn’t sound soft to me. Plus he is a hell of a gunner on ST’s. I saw him at the hustling down the field to the point of attack several times with that cast on his arm. Don’t under estimate this kid.

  186. RaiderDogg Says:

    “at the hustling”?

  187. Raider O Says:

    But you can’t tell till after a few seasons. There are players like Bob Sanders, and others like Brian D. We need that attitude on the team, and we have lacked such a thing for years.

  188. Reality Says:

    There is no excuse for FAT BOY showing up at 270.
    He clearly has no control of himself and will eat his way out of the league in three years.

  189. Raider O Says:

    Branch & Mitchell !

    I like their talent and attitude, so I hope they can remind us of Tatum & Atkinson.

  190. 24 Says:

    RaiderDogg – You know…you’re right. I think age is getting to me. I feel like the guy has been here for a long time for some reason. I was thinking he was going into his 3rd season. I guess I’m just impatient.

  191. SNB Defense Says:

    RaiderDogg Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 6:22 pm
    http://tfdssports.com/2009/07/30/raider-camp-day-2-de-ellis-and-dc-marshall-draw-raves.html
    =======================================================
    This article has a lot of great quotes in it. Russell seems to be saying the right things and the vets they brought in seem to be doing the right things as well.

    RaiderBeat said Russell was coaching the receivers on running routes.

    Hopefully they keep their attention to detail throughout camp and the season.

    You also gotta wonder if there comes a time where these drops from D-HB start getting to him mentally. they are going to have to bring this guy along

  192. 24 Says:

    The point was made…Wheres the Diva Crabtree? I wanted to draft him but this attitude thing bothers me.

  193. RaiderDogg Says:

    24 Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 6:56 pm
    RaiderDogg – You know…you’re right. I think age is getting to me. I feel like the guy has been here for a long time for some reason. I was thinking he was going into his 3rd season. I guess I’m just impatient.”

    I feel you bro, as fans we just keep waiting and hoping this is the year.

    Maybe you were thinking of Calvin Branch? It seems as if your last name is Branch you have a decent chance of making the Raiders…

  194. SOLOMON Says:

    RAIDERS RAIDERS WHAT IT DO

    WE GONE ROLL OVER YOU A LOTTA RACIST SUCKAS ON THIS BLOG

    CLAIM THEY SUCK SLIME LIKE A FROG

    SHOULDN’T YOU BE ROOTING FOR THE NINERS

    LEAVING YOUR NUMBERS IN THE BATHROOM AT ALL NIGHT DINERS

    FRONTIN LIKE YOU KNOW THE GAME

    YOU WOULD KNOW THE GAME IF IT WAS YOUR NAME

    WOULDN’T EVEN PLAY AFRAID TO GET SACKED AND SMACKED

    YOUR OLD,FAT AND WACK YOUD HAVE A FUCKIN HEART ATTACK

    YOUR OLD ASS WOULDN’T RUN AFTER ME IF I HIT YOU WITH A BASEBALL BAT

    OR THROUGH YOUR MARK ASS IN A HOLE THAT WAS BLACK

    BLACK HOLE SHIT BITCHES
    TOWN BUSINESS LIL BOY!!!!!!!!!
    NEGRO CHRONICLES
    SEE ME IN THE STANDS!! HAHA

  195. SOLOMON Says:

    FUCK EVERYBODY ESPECIALLY YOU JERRY MCDONALD!!!!!!!!!!!!
    FIRST I HAVE TO DEAL WITH THE WORST BEAT WRITER IN THE NFL AND NOW YOUR MAKE A DUMB ASS REMARK LIKE THIS. WHY DOESN’T ESPN CALL YOU AGAIN? AND FOR EVERYBODY ELSE JERRY MCDICKLESS DOESN’T DO A GOOD JOB HE LETS US KNOW WHAT? WHAT WE KNOW ALREADY! TALK SPORTS YOU FUCKING PEONS DON’T MAKE RACIAL REMARKS AS YOU CAN SEE I HAVE REFRAINED FROM SAYING ANYTHING LIKE THAT BUT ANYONE WHO WOULD BLOG IT AND THEN GO TO WORK AND “SHOOT THE SHIT” WITH SOMEONE OF ANOTHER ETHNICITY IS A COWARD AND A DOWNRIGHT YELLOWBELLIED CHICKENSHIT!!!!!!!!!!! KEEP TYPING ON A COMPUTER FOREVER LAZY FAT UNTRAINED SOFT FUCKING PUDDING PIE PUDDLE MY GROUP IS AN ORANGE

  196. DO NOT HATE ON MY BOY SOUTHWICK Says:

    WB Lamar Odom.

  197. DO NOT HATE ON MY BOY SOUTHWICK Says:

    Jerry, get the server crap straightened out already…the clowns are coming out like roaches.

  198. SOLOMON Says:

    DRAFT REY MAUALUGA WHY NOT BECAUSE WE DONT WANT TO KNOW SUCKAS OUT LIKE JERRY MCDONALD AND THE REST OF THESE SORRY BAND OF OF RUN DOWN BANDINGOS THAT CANT HACK IT. WHO? YOU MIGHT ASK?
    BRIENTHE510GENERAL- NO YOUR NOT THE 510 GENERAKL YOU ARE A CAST OFF WHO GOT KICK OUT OF THE 415 AND HAS NOBODY TO STOP YOU FROM USING THE COMPUTER TO CONTINUE THIS LIE

    NORCO BOB OBVIOUSLY A RACIST BUT I WOULLD NOT ONLY FUCK YOUR WIFE/ GIRLFRIEND I WOULD ALSO KICK YOUR ASS YOU ARE SOFT AND IF IT WAS EVER KNOWN TO ME WHO YOU WERE I WOULD SCRAP YOUR FACE ACROSS THE CLOSEST SURFACE BITCH BUSH RULES HUH? HOWS YOUR PORTFOLIO LOOKING? AND YOUR A FAG DOESNT SURPRISE ME AT ALL

    MISTA BROWN WHAT DO YOU KNOW? NOTHING AT ALL GO BACK TO WATCHING PORNO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT

  199. SOLOMON Says:

    SOUTHWICK SUCKS WHY DOESNT HE HAVE A JOB?

  200. SOLOMON Says:

    UFL CFL GRAHAM HARRELL AND HE DID IT IN BIG GAMES AGAINST FIRST ROUND DRAFT PICKS

  201. SOLOMON Says:

    JOE AYOOB FOR QUARTERBACK AYOOB AYOOB AYOOB…………………….!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  202. SOLOMON Says:

    we should have traded for sage rosenfels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  203. SOLOMON Says:

    why didn’t we get brooks bollinger? damn!!!!!!!

  204. SOLOMON Says:

    we could have drafted nate longshore and then we wqould win the superbowl

  205. SOLOMON Says:

    jesus billy he’s an animal giggity giggity giggity

  206. SOLOMON Says:

    chris leak man or at least erik ainge come on al!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  207. SOLOMON Says:

    we need defense your fucking twit defensive tacles and a fucking thumper at lb

  208. SOLOMON Says:

    where are the roaches i got a lighter bitch

    SMOKE SOMFTEN!!!!!!!!!!

  209. SOLOMON Says:

    MATT JONES FOR QB IT WOULD WORK OUT

  210. SOLOMON Says:

    DRAFT REY MAUALUGA WHY NOT BECAUSE WE DONT WANT TO KNOCK SUCKAS OUT LIKE JERRY MCDONALD AND THE REST OF THESE SORRY BAND OF OF RUN DOWN BANDINGOS THAT CANT HACK IT. WHO? YOU MIGHT ASK?
    BRIENTHE510GENERAL- NO YOUR NOT THE 510 GENERAKL YOU ARE A CAST OFF WHO GOT KICK OUT OF THE 415 AND HAS NOBODY TO STOP YOU FROM USING THE COMPUTER TO CONTINUE THIS LIE

    NORCO BOB OBVIOUSLY A RACIST BUT I WOULLD NOT ONLY FUCK YOUR WIFE/ GIRLFRIEND I WOULD ALSO KICK YOUR ASS YOU ARE SOFT AND IF IT WAS EVER KNOWN TO ME WHO YOU WERE I WOULD SCRAP YOUR FACE ACROSS THE CLOSEST SURFACE BITCH BUSH RULES HUH? HOWS YOUR PORTFOLIO LOOKING? AND YOUR A FAG DOESNT SURPRISE ME AT ALL

    MISTA BROWN WHAT DO YOU KNOW? NOTHING AT ALL GO BACK TO WATCHING PORNO YOU KNOW ABOUT THAT

  211. SOLOMON Says:

    SHIMMY SHIMMY SHIMMY STICK STICK GET DOWN!!!!!!!!!!!1
    SHIMMY!!!!!!!!!!!! YOU BITCH

  212. SOLOMON Says:

    JIM OTTO

  213. joe Says:

    this team is a joke….be lucky to win the usual 4 this year…

  214. First day of school - Oakland Raiders Forum | Message Board - Where the Raider Nation lives! Says:

    [...] day of school First day of school – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the highly classified … __________________ [...]

  215. Senile King's Aricept Says:

    …While on a Southwest flight from New Mexico, a steward ( attired in Raider garb), told me that Andrew Walter’s father is a pilot for Southwest Airlines…

    … Consequently, this steward claimed that he had learned from Walter senior that Head Coach Art Shell actually fell asleep in a team meeting that was headed up by Al Davis ………

    ….. nice …..

  216. RaiderGator Says:

    “I try to let the money go away. But since other people bring it up, it is something that a lotta people that have been playing football their whole life and the work they put in as a kid up to now they final got paid for it.” – JRuss
    ——————————————————-
    Must be *REAL* tough playing football for a living. Some of us play gootball our whole lives while still applying ourselves to an Art/Science/Business, then have to actually *WORK* for a living!!

    But, must be real hard work playing football. Glad you’re finally getting paid JaMarcus for all your HARD work. You certainly deserve that $60mill.

  217. RaiderGator Says:

    football, not gootball…lol

  218. Random Drug Tester Says:

    RaiderDogg Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
    in other news I knew that Big Papi and Manny were on the juice in 2003! No juice, no rings!

    Are u kidding me? They all are juicing and if you don’t, you lose

    If you ain’t cheating…you ain’t competing.

    Not right, but the reality of pro sports.

  219. Random Drug Tester Says:

    Why was Brady Anderson suddenly able to hit 50 homers?
    Why could Mark McGwire suddenly play a whole season?
    Why could Ben Johnson tear a muscle and then be the fastest guy in the world?
    Why could Barry Bonds (and countless others) double their size and become far better than they were before?

    DRUGS…DRUGS….DRUGS…Canseco wasn’t lying.

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