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Davis makes first appearance

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, July 31st, 2009 at 6:47 pm in Oakland Raiders.

A few news and notes from Friday’s second practice:

– Raiders owner Al Davis watched his first practice of training camp, accompanied through much of it by his son Mark.

Davis talked briefly with Robert Gallery, rehabbing from an offseason appendectomy, and spoke with George and Josh Atkinson, the twin sons of former Raiders defensive back George Atkinson and star sprinters and football players at Livermore’s Granada High School.

– Drills were supposed to be at three-quarters speed, but the Raiders second team defense was apparently coming up short of that at one point in the eyes of defensive coordinator John Marshall.

“You guys are going to stay second group for the rest of your (bleeping) life,” Marshall said. “You’re going through the motions. Grow the hell up.”

– More emphasis on teaching _ quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett has quarterbacks JaMarcus Russell, Jeff Garcia, Bruce Gradkowski and Charlie Frye line up in a row in front of them where he spends a few minutes quizzing each on protections and routes.

– Jonathan Compas, an undrafted free agent guard from U.C. Davis, was getting reps as a third team center.

– Erik Pears, the free agent tackle/guard signed as a free agent, jumped offside during one drill.

– The second-team offensive line during one sequence consisted of left tackle Khalif Barnes, left guard Chris Morris, center John Wade, right guard Marcus Johnson and right tackle James Marten.

– Hiram Eugene spent some time with the second-team defense, with Michael Huff working with the first team at free safety.

– Rather than music during stretching as in the Lane Kiffin regime, the Raiders get a running dialogue from strength and conditioning coach Brad Roll.

“We’re bringing in the smokers tonight. You name it, we’re smoking him,” Roll said of the post-practice meal.

“Stretch those quads _ a happy quad makes a happy hamstring,” Roll said.

– Four more “learning intensive” practices before the hitting begins on Monday . . .

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195 Responses to “Davis makes first appearance”

  1. Steve Says:

    cool

  2. Thec Says:

    did people look at him?

  3. Thec Says:

    Were the humanoids allowed to make Eye contact, or ask questions?

  4. 04z06 Says:

    Why did they call it the bed n breakfast offense ?

  5. 504 Raider Says:

    Second.

  6. 504 Raider Says:

    Wow, way off.

  7. 408RAIDER( FREE DIRTY) Says:

    “You guys are going to stay second group for the rest of your (bleeping) life,” Marshall said. “You’re going through the motions. Grow the hell up.”

    gotta love that fire!!!

  8. 408RAIDER( FREE DIRTY) Says:

    yo Thec sup brethren?? Good 2 see ya back in the heezy

  9. Thec Says:

    408, what my Brotha? I lurk, read all the materail good and bad just dont post. How u been?

    408 are we doing that fantasy league again? that was bomb…

  10. Thec Says:

    408, you here from the dirty one? How is he doing?

  11. 408RAIDER( FREE DIRTY) Says:

    Thec

    I got banned 4 a while… LOL But yes we should do another fantasy thingy.. Dirty gets out @ the end of aug so I feel we should wait 4 him b4 we start a draft… Ill keep ya posted…

  12. Thec Says:

    408, I feel u on that. Would not be the same without him….

    Anyway take care Bro, back to lurkin….

  13. 408RAIDER( FREE DIRTY) Says:

    Thec

    mrs Dirty lets me know how he’s doing every now and then.. He’s asked 4 you a few times but all I could do was tell him you were M.I.A…

  14. Thec Says:

    My bad, if you get a word to him let him know i said whats up…. Hope he is hanging tough, and will be looking for his return…..

  15. 408RAIDER( FREE DIRTY) Says:

    will do

    Raider On thec….

  16. Thec Says:

    Keep holdin it down 408…..

    We all know of but 1 NATION…….

  17. jhill Says:

    Hiram Eugene spent some time with the second-team defense, with Michael Huff working with the first team at free safety.

    ——————————————————

    Uh oh … watch out now!

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  19. jhill Says:

    •Michael Huff and Tyvon Branch were the safeties with the first team this afternoon.

    •Paul Hackett has been doing quite a bit of quizzing with the quarterbacks. He gives each quarterback a play and then gives them a situation and they have to tell him what the read is. JaMarcus Russell seemed to be pretty good at it.

    ———————————

    Uh oh again!

  20. KoolKell Says:

    Dang,..the whole town of Alameda stinks of my refuse,…any ladies up for a mud party?……lol…..who said that?….lmao *eww* :)

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  22. 408RAIDER( FREE DIRTY) Says:

    ok last change

  23. ppleschamp030 Says:

    AL said russell is a great player, then why would he throw it all down the drain on a 39yr old qb playing his last 1 yr? sorry guys, garcia is done. 1-2 yrs left. 3 tops. hes done. russell is our future get over it.

  24. ppleschamp030 Says:

    anyone going to the raidernation celebration on aug 8? i will boo when garcia takes a snap anyone with me?

  25. ppleschamp030 Says:

    anyone know if we still play one saftey deep?

  26. ppleschamp030 Says:

    lol. sure…..russell is our qb if you cant see that you will be highly disappointed come the raiders vs chargers and russell takes the field and garcia disappears into the back round for the last time in his career.

  27. KoolKell Says:

    Lol,..too funny,..either way Garcia is the qb this year,..after merrimans 8th sack on lardass hes done for the year…I will cheer as russells lying on the infield dirt in a coma.

  28. Lon Chaney Jr Says:

    The truth is regarding the quarterbacks on the roster,..if all were makign equal money, no question Garcia would get the job. But when you put in the ridiculous money Russell gets, Russell starts. He will either have to get hurt, or start 2-10 for Al to finally pull him.

  29. ppleschamp030 Says:

    if russell gets sacked 8 time, shouldnt you be calling for the olinemen who was blocking hims head?????

  30. preisttj Says:

    Innovation always looks clumsy and even stupid until it works and it takes off then all of a sudden it’s part of the fabric and a pattern and the norm. This is way beyond anything I’ve ever seen but if it works then it could change the way things are done.

    This could cut down on a lot of the lack of discipline and missed assignments that have plagued this team in recent years. Even if it’s just a modest improvement it’s worth it. I really can’t see what the risk is as lng as they get the proper amount of hard work in prior to breaking camp. To make the team physically prepared for a long grooling season starting with the Chargers.

    What I’ve seen of Cable’s approach to the running game the last two years I definitely think he understands how to get the team prepared physically.

  31. Lynn From Snot Says:

    Dont count on Huff to star.

  32. AZ Says:

    Damn, I can’t believe anyone would take another old vet QB over the younger more talented, but raw QB. Unless it really isn’t about the potential of the player, but a personal vendetta, or politically fueled opinion. Either way, it’s not in the best interest of the Raiders to use Jeff as a tool to groom the future of the franchise in Jamarcus Russell.

    RAIDER ON!

  33. AZ Says:

    Sorry…. It would not be in the Raiders best interest to use him in any other way than to use him to groom Russell.

    How did I miss that important point LOL

  34. Chris in NY Says:

    04z06 Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 7:08 pm
    Why did they call it the bed n breakfast offense ?

    —————–

    Tom Walsh, Art Shell’s hand-picked offensive coordinator, had been out of the NFL for like 10 years and was running a bed & breakfast in Idaho when Shell hired him. I assume that’s what you’re talking about.

  35. La Milicia Verga Says:

    So southwik is da starter?

  36. preisttj Says:

    AZ that’s not KK it’s a troll.

    Most of what you’re reading is from trolls.

    The registration was definitely a good thing looking at this mess again.

  37. Lon Chaney Jr Says:

    Jeff Garcia is the qb,…hes tough, works hard, will win. Russell is a overpaid never done a thing dude.

  38. Lon Chaney Jr Says:

    Just because he was drafted with the top pick,..bfd,…being paid the kind of change that the mannings and Tom Bradys get…you think hes in their atmosphere?…hells no,..Russell sucks, and I heard he flew a few receivers to his little get together in Mobile because he was running a youth clinic, and being paid to do it,..thank you Al Davis for bringing Garcia,..you jerks will see when we are 7-2 with Garcia leading us who was right,..and we will win the superbowl with jeff garcia,..can I get a hell yea?

  39. WarrenZevon Says:

    Hell Yeah!!!!!!!!1

  40. He Hate Me Says:

    Go Go Garcia!!!

  41. Lon Chaney Jr Says:

    Thanks WZ,..and yes I get your name reference to mine. :)

  42. Lon Chaney Jr Says:

    Regarding the DHB pick,..awesome,..that man is going to be a star,..Crabtree an afterthought.

  43. preisttj Says:

    hell no!……

  44. Kirk Says:

    Russell never did a thing?

    He beat Garcia’s team and kept them out of the playoffs.

  45. ppleschamp030 Says:

    how can garcias noodle arm get it deep to DHB?

  46. ppleschamp030 Says:

    russell for 2012 NFL MVP!!!!!!!!!!

  47. NoMoreFargas Says:

    Priest any chance that dmac will lead team in rec ? I think he has that kind of ability and with his speed no lb or safety can stay with him.

  48. Lon Chaney Jr Says:

    Kirk,..did you watch that game?…I did,..Russell handed the ball off to the players that one it,…noodle arm?…not as strong as russells,…that O line wont give enough time for a bomb…will be short passes and alot of running,…Garcia wil lead us to superbowl win,…over the Bears. Can I get a hell yea?

  49. ppleschamp030 Says:

    if it looks like a rat, smells like a rat, why by god it must be a rat. garcia CAREER win percentage 50% at 39. time to move one. FACT!!!!

  50. ppleschamp030 Says:

    it called payaction max protect (8 blockers, 2WR), we can go deep.

  51. Lon Chaney Jr Says:

    Russell will never comes close to the career Garcia has,..Russell out of nfl after another season or so…hes set for life financially so he will be ok.

  52. Raider O Says:

    There is no 2012!!! 2012 is the end of the world!! lol

  53. DarthPirate Says:

    “You guys are going to stay second group for the rest of your (bleeping) life,” Marshall said. “You’re going through the motions. Grow the hell up.”

    Rob Ryan’s version:

    “You guys could be starting on any other team in the league, keep doing what you’re doing!”

  54. Raider75 Says:

    408…

    When you guys start the fantasy league, I’m in.

  55. Destrilogy Says:

    I dont understand why you people like garcia so much. didnt you watch the last game of the season? when russell lead us to victory?

  56. Raider75 Says:

    O…

    Its Dec 2012 when the calendar runs out, so we should get 3 good months of football

  57. RaiderRobG Says:

    That’s great! Reminds me of morning PT at Ft. Jackson back in 1991…”Hurrreee-up.”

  58. Nnamdi21 Says:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ap-bengals-asmith&prov=ap&type=lgns

    Not that I think we’d have taken him if Cincy hadn’t but I wonder if we dodged a bullet with Manziere spokes model Andre Smith?

    A hol dout is probably the last thing you’d want from this guy after his bizzare combine and shirtless pro day.

    Yikes…

  59. Nnamdi21 Says:

    Hope it helps.

    Oakland has lacked discipline since Gannon went down.

    Good for Marshall!

    Kick their azzes! Expect more. Hel-l, expect them to do their jobs!

    Fundamentals could lead to solid play.

  60. Nnamdi21 Says:

    KoolKell Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 8:36 pm
    Lol,..too funny,..either way Garcia is the qb this year,..after merrimans 8th sack on lardass hes done for the year…I will cheer as russells lying on the infield dirt in a coma.

    ===========================

    We know thats not you KK.

    Pathetic Charger fans.

    All those fat contracts doled out to keep your team together in recent years are going o haunt you in 09′.

    Clueless Jamie Dukes thinks Phillip Rivers should be paid top tier based on last years impressive performance.

    He’s one sack away from a career ending knee injury. So is Merrimaid…

    Face it.

    They may a have one more good year left, but the Chargers are on the D cline me lady…

  61. Random Drug Tester Says:

    RaiderDogg Says:
    July 30th, 2009 at 3:52 pm
    in other news I knew that Big Papi and Manny were on the juice in 2003! No juice, no rings!

    Are u kidding me? They all are juicing and if you don’t, you lose

    If you ain’t cheating…you ain’t competing.

    Not right, but the reality of pro sports.

  62. Random Drug Tester Says:

    Why was Brady Anderson suddenly able to hit 50 homers?
    Why could Mark McGwire suddenly play a whole season?
    Why could Ben Johnson tear a muscle and then be the fastest guy in the world?
    Why could Barry Bonds (and countless others) double their size and become far better than they were before?

    DRUGS…DRUGS….DRUGS…Canseco wasn’t lying.

  63. Random Drug Tester Says:

    Canseco is the only who can come out of all this with any kind of honour!

  64. willie Says:

    post 63,as a snitch,how much is truth?Some players may be caught up in total bs,canseco is a low life,he did everything for$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ watch out for karma,dude

  65. Random Drug Tester Says:

    Oakglenn Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 1:09 pm
    # Mistabrown Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 12:31 pm

    Well thats what you get for thinking! Whats in your head 2 empty beer cans and a marble ? How a alleged “grown man” can be this brain dead & naive is beyond me.

    Oakglenn Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 12:25 pm

    To me, and it took me a while to get this myself, I think most of our defensive problems stemmed from our complete ineptitude on offense.
    —————————————————-

    See that’s the problem with this guy. He does not have the depth of brain power to understand a concept like this. If a pitcher is winning a game 10-0, he can do things he wouldn’t do in a tie game. If a defense knows their offense is going to put up points, they will address things differently. A defense, in overtime, knows the opponent has the best field goal kicker in the league, they know they have to do things differently. All these things are inter-related. Your offense, defense and special teams affect your other teams on your same side. It happens in all of sports. Coaches and GM’s know this and so do Most excellent sports fans. Imbeciles do not understand it.

    ——————————————————-

    Well put Oakglen

    That also translates to the whole “winning seasons” argument “kool”kell throws out. You can hang out in the “9-7 to 10-8″ crowd all you want without taking a chance at the big prize. You get a good track record, but never play for the big one.

    THE RAIDERS (AL DAVIS) SHOOT FOR THE BIG ONE…every move, every play…Some work – some don’t Oh well, better off trying for it all, than never playing for it all.

    And the Raiders have the best record of trying to play for it all!

  66. Random Drug Tester Says:

    willie Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 11:33 pm
    post 63,as a snitch,how much is truth?Some players may be caught up in total bs,canseco is a low life,he did everything for$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ watch out for karma,dude

    Canseco admitted AND endorsed what he was doing as the proper way of doing things professionally as long as it was well thought out and monitored medically.

    People ditched on him, and he just told the truth. You probably believe Clemens never touched “illicit” drugs..Right?

  67. Random Drug Tester Says:

    Canseco was the only athlete who did everything for $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$?

    Don’t be so naive or I will quit acknowledging your existence.

  68. Random Drug Tester Says:

    Too bad you only need an IP to qualify to contribute on this blog. If it required you to have at least practised a sport 7 days a week, and play, and deal with injuries but still continue, your tunes might be different.

    Here’s a poll for curiousity’s sake….Who here has ever been prescribed steroids, or taken them and knows what they feel like and do for you?

  69. willie Says:

    I stand with post 64,clemens,stew,barry,JOSE,mark,all the OTHERS!canseco is a snitch for MONEY,again,who gets caught up w/bs, karma for the snitch

  70. Random Drug Tester Says:

    A lot of you guys can be very critcal of people who are in a position that you haven’t and/or could never be capable enough of being in, and it isn’t easy.

    They might not deserve millions of dollars or having a microphone in their mouths telling everybody what they think, but they deserve your respect and admiration for being able to achieve things that take more than most people have or can give.

  71. willie Says:

    67,who the frig are you,moron? Could care less about youre opinion,jackass,mrs

  72. Random Drug Tester Says:

    Canseco wasn’t snitching…he was preaching! He honestly believed that it was the way to go…as a professional, trying to be the best that he could be.

    It’s no coincidence that the Oakland A’s were who they were with him and McGwire. Better living through chemicals, Timothy Leary all the way.

    Canseco was a believer, he never tried to hide it.

  73. Random Drug Tester Says:

    Ever play a sport at a high level Willie?

  74. willie Says:

    rst=BULLSH–ER,MRS

  75. dknight007 Says:

    Canseco aint no snitch….he was just getting back at baseball for dissing him and making him to be the scapegoat of what was really going on around the MLB.

    If people say “if you aint cheatin then you aint trying”…..then the other sayin should be “if you don’t tell the truth, your soul will never be free.”

    Athletes that cheat and lie should go to hell….

  76. Random Drug Tester Says:

    willie Says:
    August 1st, 2009 at 12:05 am
    rst=BULLSH–ER,MRS

    Good come-back Potsie!

  77. dknight007 Says:

    # Random Drug Tester Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 11:59 pm

    A lot of you guys can be very critcal of people who are in a position that you haven’t and/or could never be capable enough of being in, and it isn’t easy.

    They might not deserve millions of dollars or having a microphone in their mouths telling everybody what they think, but they deserve your respect and admiration for being able to achieve things that take more than most people have or can give.

    ^^^^^^Uh….no!

  78. Random Drug Tester Says:

    dknight007…I don’t endorse cheating, but athletes (professionals) police themselves and know whats going on in their world.

    How many of the recent “record-breakers” haven’t been revealed as steroid or something-takers?

  79. dknight007 Says:

    # Random Drug Tester Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 11:53 pm

    Too bad you only need an IP to qualify to contribute on this blog. If it required you to have at least practised a sport 7 days a week, and play, and deal with injuries but still continue, your tunes might be different.

    Here’s a poll for curiousity’s sake….Who here has ever been prescribed steroids, or taken them and knows what they feel like and do for you?

    ^^^^^^
    I had plenty of chances to do the illegal PED’s and juice in high school and I said fuk NO!

    Instead I used legal supplements like Creatine….simple as that…

  80. Random Drug Tester Says:

    dknight007 Says:
    August 1st, 2009 at 12:08 am

    ^^^^^^Uh….no!

    I repeat…Good come-back Potsie!

    I repeat…Ever play a sport at a high level dknight007?

  81. Random Drug Tester Says:

    dknight007 Says:
    August 1st, 2009 at 12:11 am

    I had plenty of chances to do the illegal PED’s and juice in high school and I said fuk NO!

    Instead I used legal supplements like Creatine….simple as that…

    ——————————————————-

    and we now know you as the famous athlete who did what?

  82. Sweep the leg Says:

    Alright let’s settle this like men. Put up or shut up.

    Enter your max bench press with no exagerations.

    Dark Knight:______

    RDT:______

    GO!!!

  83. Random Drug Tester Says:

    I was a pitcher, basketball player, and Quarterback…bench press wasn’t a necessary part of my skill set, but being 6′2″ 210lbs, my bench press was 230lbs.

  84. Random Drug Tester Says:

    however, my vertical leap was 35 inches and I could throw the ball 60 yds accurately

  85. Random Drug Tester Says:

    Our coach demanded we be able to bench our weight…so I did more because I partied and smoked…same in basketball, I won the pro-sprints because I partied and smoked, didn’t want the coach to be able to come down on me. likewise, if I got hurt before the championship and he said this pill, injection, whatever would help and allow me to play…….who would say NO?

  86. Random Drug Tester Says:

    None of you have answered MY questions

  87. Oakglenn Says:

    # Random Drug Tester Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 11:40 pm

    Well put Oakglen

    And the Raiders have the best record of trying to play for it all!
    ======================================================

    Notice this you guys. This guy gets it. If you wanna win big, you gotta bet big!!!!!!!

  88. Random Drug Tester Says:

    If you wanna win big, you gotta bet big!!!!!!!

    Downside is you can lose big…maybe for 6 years, oh well, suck it up and get back in it.

    Problem for MR is that his boybriends make fun of his Raider jammies and he can’t perform and blames Al.

    Sucks to be MR

  89. Oakglenn Says:

    Not that I believe in steroid use. I don’t.

  90. Oakglenn Says:

    RDT, you break me up!!

  91. Random Drug Tester Says:

    I kill me too Oak…lol

    Nobody answered my questions yet!!

    1) Who here has ever been prescribed steroids, or taken them and knows what they feel like and do for you?
    2)Ever play a sport at a high level Willie?
    2a)Ever play a sport at a high level dknight007?
    3)How many of the recent “record-breakers” haven’t been revealed as steroid or something-takers?

  92. Random Drug Tester Says:

    I don’t endorse “steroids” because they have negative long-term repercussions on those who use them.

    I do like seeing athletes playing at their consistent best which is what steroids allow them to do.

    I wish you could ensure that nobody was using any performance-enhancing supplement so that a level playing field existed….but I am afraid there will no longer ever be a an even playing field.

  93. Random Drug Tester Says:

    even Belichik cheats…go figure

  94. Random Drug Tester Says:

    and his punishment was not to have to pay a 1st-rounder….ouch!

  95. Random Drug Tester Says:

    Sweep the leg Says:
    August 1st, 2009 at 12:22 am
    Alright let’s settle this like men. Put up or shut up.

    Enter your max bench press with no exagerations.

    Dark Knight:______

    RDT:______

    GO!!!

    —————————————————

    Dark Knight: never had to do a bench press…i just took Creatine instead (probably has ephedrine in it – but don’t hate me)

  96. Random Drug Tester Says:

    Glad I was able to ditch the skank that was hard to shake tonight in order to spend quality time with you guys tonight.

    Yeah I’m talking to you Random Drug Tester, Random, RDT, jackass, mrs

  97. Random Drug Tester Says:

    Hopefully the AM crew (minus Euro-wimp) LMN can give answers to my questions or meaningful feedback to the steroids issue.

    * Euro-wimp = soccer fan * not known as football in these parts

  98. El Dirty Says:

    free at last, free at last, thank god ol mighty I am free at last!

  99. cantstandtheHATERS Says:

    ahh, love it (the previous post). i see a lot of zoneblitzes from the DE/LB units…even TK and Warren have the athleticism to drop underneath the short routes up the middle on occasion.

    i think we’ll be “bitin” Spagnuolo’s defense here in OAK this year lol. like i said ilove it, so bring it on and make Jim Johnson (rip) proud, baby!!!

  100. Die, Al. Die. Says:

    “You guys are going to stay second group for the rest of your (bleeping) life,” Marshall said. “You’re going through the motions. Grow the hell up.”

    ——————————————————————–

    I like him.

  101. Die, Al. Die. Says:

    – Raiders owner Al Davis watched his first practice of training camp, accompanied through much of it by his son Mark.
    ——————————————————————

    Where are those damn snipers?

  102. Florida Pete Says:

    Random Drug Tester Says:
    July 31st, 2009 at 11:20 pm
    Why was Brady Anderson suddenly able to hit 50 homers?
    Why could Mark McGwire suddenly play a whole season?
    Why could Ben Johnson tear a muscle and then be the fastest guy in the world?
    Why could Barry Bonds (and countless others) double their size and become far better than they were before?

    DRUGS…DRUGS….DRUGS…Canseco wasn’t lying.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    everybody thinks this only goes back 20 years…

    my nomination for first baseball juicer is:

    Brian Downing, circa 1979…

    the Angels acquired him as a 180 pound catcher…

    during an off-season he picked up about 50 pounds…

    they called him The Incredidle Bulk…

    a little history my friends…

  103. Senile King's Aricept Says:

    When considering the astronomical amounts of money on the line, it’s hard for a pro athlete to not seek an edge …
    … Since we are all allowed to drink Kool-Aid this time of year, ( akin to R.E. Lee before Pickett’s charge), here’s for hopeing against hope that Chubbustus’ coach doesn’t turn into a pumpkin, and that the Raider defense is ranked twenty something ,( yeah … I’ll settle for twenty-ninth)…

  104. Senile King's Aricept Says:

    From today’s letters section ,L.A.Times :

    A Dog’s Life- “Terrell Owens suggests that NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell ’spend some time in prison’ so he can see for himself how hard it was for Michael Vick. I suggest that T.O. be swung around by the neck and beaten, and have all of his teeth forcibly pulled outon his new reality show, so he can understand how Vick’s dogs felt as they were tortured”…

    …Amen…

  105. Senile King's Aricept Says:

    Post #101 … The snipers that you seek are likely waiting to see where Michael Vick turns up …

  106. exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:

    Steroids connections inevitable
    February 23rd, 2009, 7:51 am · 9 Comments · posted by sammiller
    Much ado about Ervin Santana’s early relationship with trainer Angel Presinal, who has links to the steroids scandals (and whose last name sounds like a steroid, no?). Seems to me that we hardly need to look that deeply into players’ pasts if we’re trying to tarnish them by association; each one of them has shared clubhouse space with known users.

    Only Baseball Matters has an amazing post about a 40-year-old Sports Illustrated article about drug use in baseball — and what it says about the writers, teams and athletes who waited 35 years before doing anything about it.

    He quotes from that lengthy SI piece:

    “A few pills—I take all kinds—and the pain’s gone,” says Dennis McLain of the Detroit Tigers. McLain also takes shots, or at least took a shot of cortisone and Xylocaine (anti-inflammant and painkiller) in his throwing shoulder prior to the sixth game of the 1968 World Series—the only game he won in three tries. In the same Series, which at times seemed to be a matchup between Detroit and St. Louis druggists, Cardinal Bob Gibson was gobbling muscle-relaxing pills, trying chemically to keep his arm loose. The Tigers’ Series hero, Mickey Lolich, was on antibiotics.
    ———————————
    Angel Presinal worked with Brian Downing who will be inducted into the Angel’s Hall of Fame this month.

  107. vegas raider Says:

    Hey Random Drug Trester,

    Ever thought that baseball fans are so up in arms about steriods, not because of how much better that they play on it and we think they are cheating, but that these players continue to act like 5 years old caught with there hand in the jar. These guys get caught red-handed, failing drug tests is about as obvious as can be, and are so self-absorbed they continue to lie to the fans, who pay there salary in effect, and treat us like we are either so stupid, gullible, or in awe of them that we won’t care if they both cheat and than lie to our faces about it. Get a clue dude.

    And I played JC baseball, had Kyle Lohse on my team, and none of us were doing juice. The Butte football team was a different story, however.

  108. vegas raider Says:

    So my buddy, a huge lib in Portland and a car salesman, is up in arms about the “cash for clunkers” deal, and not just because it is a total nightmare and his dealership has yet to receive some of the money.

    When as a dealer, he told me, you sign into the site, a terms and conditions screen pops up, just like most sites, but he decided to read it. It scared the crap out of him, and for those against W’s wiretaping should be up in arms. As a dealer, when you sign in, you agree that your computer, when logged in, is now gov’t property, and can be seized for any reason, and all your personal information can be seized, including browsing history and so on. Nothing my come out of it, but another “liberty” being taken away, even if just a little bit. Our civil liberties, capitalism and the constitution are dying the death of a thousand cuts before our eyes folks.

  109. vegas raider Says:

    Just googled it and this is what it says:

    “This application provides to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a federal computer system and it is property of the United States government. Any and all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign.’”

    ***********************

    Yikes!!!!

  110. KoolKell Says:

    Oh Gawd…Im still on the toilet, been here for 12 hours,…just playin in da mud,…Who said that?…lol

  111. vegas raider Says:

    Where’s Raider O, our resident car salesman? He might have a little input on this. At least an opinion I’m sure.

    And for gawd’s sakes let’s not continue the Tyler Brayton LB experience with Trevor Scott. Put the guys hand in the dirt and let him do what he does best, get after the QB.

  112. KoolKell Says:

    Hery man I was informed the real norco bob died about 3 months ago,..any truth to that?…r.i.p. you mo-fo….those pills finally did ya in.

  113. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    vegas raider Says:
    August 1st, 2009 at 8:48 am
    Just googled it and this is what it says:

    “This application provides to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a federal computer system and it is property of the United States government. Any and all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitored, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign.’”

    ***********************

    Yikes!!!!

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Quit your damn whining. The car program is good policy. The T&C only apply when logged onto a fed system, which sounds like SOP to me.
    Go cry to Limbaugh about soci@lism or buy another gun – whatever gets you through the night. Of course, if your house catches on fire don’t call the gov’t-run commie Fire Department.

  114. vegas raider Says:

    Why do they have to tap in BSJ? They don’t HAVE to to properly run the system. It’s a continuation of Bushian policies, of which you are no fan of.

    And who says it is a good policy? Not the people using it, the gov’t underfunded it causing a complete headache right now.

  115. Raider O Says:

    Good morning Nation, Gents.

  116. Raider O Says:

    It’s a good program if you had the funding for it!

  117. vegas raider Says:

    And my wife works for the gov’t dude, VA nurse, taking care of our wounded heroes, past and present. Don’t call me a commie, is name-calling people who apparently don’t share your beliefs on how things are going right now how you sleep at night?

  118. Teabag Says:

    max bench is 365 lbs.. Im 5′9 and 210.. I use anabolics. I have no shame in it and athletes in the pros shouldnt either. They are at least getting paid millions to do it.

  119. Raider O Says:

    Vegas,

    Who cares about a dealer’s PC, all the info is being shared with DMV and the lender!!

  120. Raider O Says:

    What do you think credit reports are? Such as Exp, EQ, etc….
    We share that info with DMV too, and not just the lender.

  121. vegas raider Says:

    O,

    I don’t like the language. Private info can be forwarded to different enforcement agencies. Don’t like the illegal wiretaps from years past, don’t like language that says they can tap into your computer. Stay out of our lives you pesky gov’t!!!!!

  122. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    vegas raider Says:
    August 1st, 2009 at 9:12 am
    Why do they have to tap in BSJ? They don’t HAVE to to properly run the system. It’s a continuation of Bushian policies, of which you are no fan of.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    Absolute BS. You log on to a gov’t computer system, you expect they can monitor you. And I didn’t call you a commie.

    Also, any car dealer should be scstatic about Obama’s cash for clunkers policy. Estimates were that 250K cars were sold in July, at least 40K of which were directly attributable to the program. Stop hating on the govt. They gotta do something to help the people out.

  123. Raider O Says:

    Vegas,

    This is not new, so why are you freaking out Bro?

    Big Brother program is not new, your business is their business! They own you, you are nothing but a 9 digit #, that pats taxes, and consumes products.

  124. Raider O Says:

    Pays taxes!

  125. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    ecstatic

  126. vegas raider Says:

    Wow I just tried to post a message and a note popped up saying “I am posting too quickly. Slow down.”

    Never seen that before.

  127. Raider O Says:

    It happens a lot now, maybe due to using the old server.

  128. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    vegas raider Says:
    August 1st, 2009 at 9:30 am
    Wow I just tried to post a message and a note popped up saying “I am posting too quickly. Slow down.”

    Never seen that before.

    ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::

    It does that cuz the gov’t is monitoring your PC

  129. vegas raider Says:

    BSJ,

    Yes sales were up, put these dealerships (including the one my buddy works at) are in the hole for 6 figures, waiting for gov’t checks on rebates. When they announced they ran out of money, questions started arising if they gave rebates to customers that they won’t get refunded. Would you be willing to say that every dealership is going to get there money back, being that it is already underfunded? Dealerships are panicking, and 75% (according to the NY Times) of people coming in with their “clunkers” are being turned away. Poorly planned, poorly run. Shocking.

    Well, got it off my chest, I can eat my B-fast in peace and than off to wager on Baseball. Wife was sleeping and needed to yell at someone. Thanks for your ears.

  130. Raider O Says:

    BSJ,

    No!!! they don’t do that!!! Not in America!!!

  131. Raider O Says:

    Vegas,

    129, exactly!!!

  132. Raider O Says:

    Vegas,

    Franchise Dealers get Rebates from Factories, and others breaks for these programs, they are not losing money. That’s for sure! lol

  133. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    vegas raider Says:
    August 1st, 2009 at 9:37 am
    BSJ,

    Yes sales were up, put these dealerships (including the one my buddy works at) are in the hole for 6 figures, waiting for gov’t checks on rebates. When they announced they ran out of money, questions started arising if they gave rebates to customers that they won’t get refunded. Would you be willing to say that every dealership is going to get there money back, being that it is already underfunded? Dealerships are panicking, and 75% (according to the NY Times) of people coming in with their “clunkers” are being turned away. Poorly planned, poorly run. Shocking.

    Well, got it off my chest, I can eat my B-fast in peace and than off to wager on Baseball. Wife was sleeping and needed to yell at someone. Thanks for your ears.

    :::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
    What a crock of sh!t. If your bussy is in the hole for 100K minimum, he sold at least 50 cars under the policy. OBAMA SAID ALL SALES WILL BE HONORED AND PAID AND ANNOUNCED MORE MONEY TO KEEP THE PROGRAM GOING! Your buddy should be praising Obama for the business.

    And 75% are being turned away because they don’t meet the guidelines. Older car, under 18 mpg, etc. So shocking.

  134. Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:

    Bussy, LOL. Meant buddy.

  135. AZ Raider Says:

    I work for a Toyota Dealer. #1 dealership of any make in the Phoenix area. We gave out a sh*tload of those rebates and our Sales Dept. is not worried about any of it. They shut down the program but we were told all rebates dated before the announcement will be honored, so no one is panicing here…

    just some inside info, from the dealership side.

    Soooooooooo, what up with the Silver & Black?

  136. Raider O Says:

    There are programs that only the owners know about, they get huge rebates from the Factories on every car sold, and then they make money on trade-ins, and service has specail programs too that AZ can share with you. ( my exp is in Sales & finance, but not service)

  137. Raider O Says:

    AZ,

    I bought a new 99 Tacoma TRD, but I sold it after 5 months after and still made money! lol

    The dealer was my friend, so he gave me all the rebates, including the Dealer’s.

  138. ppleschamp030 Says:

    GARCIA SUCKS HE REALLY REALLY SUCKS!!!

  139. Raider O Says:

    AZ,

    I used to Work for Honda/ Accura.

  140. Raider O Says:

    I think MSRP was about 20+k, and I bought it for around 16K. lol after 5 months I sold it for 18k.

  141. ppleschamp030 Says:

    cant anyone tell me how garcia helps the FUTURE of the raiders.(5-10) yrs from now

  142. RaiderTW Says:

    Rescind the Patriot Act, NOW!!

  143. Raider O Says:

    I bought my Mom a new Matrix, and from the same Dealer. lol

    MSRP was 19K, and I got it for around 13/14K. People think there is no money in new cars, but there are a lot of rebates from the factory to the Dealer.

  144. no more infield... Says:

    Koolkell… You are the biggest moron here. Garcia may not make the team… Moron…

  145. Raider O Says:

    Good Morning TW.

    Thank you so much for the gift bro. That was very nice of you. I love books, so I can’t express how much this means to me. Thank You. lol

    It recieved it yesterday.

  146. Raider O Says:

    *I …

  147. dknight007 Says:

    vegas raider Says:
    August 1st, 2009 at 8:12 am
    Hey Random Drug Trester,

    Ever thought that baseball fans are so up in arms about steriods, not because of how much better that they play on it and we think they are cheating, but that these players continue to act like 5 years old caught with there hand in the jar. These guys get caught red-handed, failing drug tests is about as obvious as can be, and are so self-absorbed they continue to lie to the fans, who pay there salary in effect, and treat us like we are either so stupid, gullible, or in awe of them that we won’t care if they both cheat and than lie to our faces about it. Get a clue dude.

    And I played JC baseball, had Kyle Lohse on my team, and none of us were doing juice. The Butte football team was a different story, however.

    ^^^^^^Exactly…..f**k MLB!

    Are major sports leagues need to implement HGH testing as well….it’s funny how the hypocrite players say “they don’tm like needles being stuck into them” when they damn well do….when they have the juice needles stuck up their arses….! haha

  148. AZ Raider Says:

    “O”

    Been a Toyota owner for 13 years and have worked for Toyota for 7. Awsome automobile and great clientel.

    That’s funny O, in 2000 I convinced my best friend to buy the 4×4 Tacoma TRD. He had it a few years, put about 80k on it and had to get something bigger when his wife got preg. So I bought it from him for $11,500. I drove it a few years and put another 80k on it, and sold it for 11,000! Cost me $500 for for years of an awsome vehicle.

    My rock crawler is an 85 Longbed! Bad arse! Looks like it just came off the showroom floor inside, but the paint is all scratched up from plowing through desert brush and light scraps from canyon walls. I bought IT for $3500, put about another $500 into it, and I get offeres on the trails for 7-9,000! They hold thier value, thats for sure.

  149. dknight007 Says:

    Random Drug Tester Says:
    August 1st, 2009 at 1:05 am
    Sweep the leg Says:
    August 1st, 2009 at 12:22 am
    Alright let’s settle this like men. Put up or shut up.

    Enter your max bench press with no exagerations.

    Dark Knight:______

    RDT:______

    GO!!!

    —————————————————

    Dark Knight: never had to do a bench press…i just took Creatine instead (probably has ephedrine in it – but don’t hate me

    ^^^^^^LOL….Max bench press?? Hmm…when was the last time I actually gave a crap about my max bench?

    250 was my last max bench and that was about 4 years ago. I’m 6′1, 195…

    A more important comparison would be if my unit is bigger than yours…..which I’m sure it is and how many more women I have banged than you without having to drug them up like most you low lifes in here have to do to get laid! LOL

  150. ppleschamp030 Says:

    we should cut garcia

  151. ppleschamp030 Says:

    RUSSELL THE CHOSEN ONE, GARCIA NOT THE ANWSER FOR 6 NFL TEAMS, TIME TO MOVE ON.

  152. RaiderDogg Says:

    Jerrymcd Tommy Kelly jumps offsides for the fifth time in six practices . . .

    Jerrymcd Make that five practices . .

  153. RaiderDogg Says:

    Tarvaris Jackson went down with a leg injury yesterday. My Andrew Walter to the Vikings rumor is picking up steam!

  154. ppleschamp030 Says:

    you people have no clue what it means to DEVELOP a FRANCHISE QB. it means you take the good with the bad the first few years. and if it doesnt work out you start over.

  155. RaiderRobG Says:

    I drive an 06 Nissan Titan. Nismo intake, Banks exhaust, my baby screams! IMO it is the King of all trucks. You want a truck, by a Titan, want a car that looks like a truck, buy a Tundra.

  156. RaiderDogg Says:

    A sampling of what is going on between water breaks behind the Napa Valley Marriott:

    Beat the can: The defensive line goes against upturned garbage cans. Everyone gets in their assigned spot, then some of them go into motion to a different point of attack before the imagined snap.

    Change that call: The quarterbacks line up in a corner to work on audibles. Quarterbacks coach Paul Hackett gives a defensive situation. The quarterbacks don’t just call out an audible, but they bark it out side to side and make hand signals as if they were actually communicating to teammates.

    Air ball: The passing offense faces the passing defense in seven on sevens. The receivers, tight ends and running backs run full routes in coverage, but the quarterback doesn’t throw the ball. At one point, defensive coordinator John Marshall – as if out of habit – calls out, “It’s time for a pick!”

    Short run-through: The run game is choreographed in team noncontact drills. The ball is snapped and handed off to a running back, followed by an instant whistle. Coaches make sure everyone lined up right and went to the right spot. Offsides and false starts were an unusual occurrence, given the slo-mo circumstances.

  157. Raider O Says:

    Rob,

    I own a 94 Nissan Altima, and I think Nissans gives you more for your money than Toyota and Honda, but they have better resale value than Nissan. It all depends on what you like, and how long you keep your cars for.

  158. AZ Raider Says:

    Rob,

    I think your refering to the Honda Ridgeline LOL… Front wheel drive pick-up? WTF? LOL.

  159. Raider O Says:

    Burgess is a no show, with more than 60k I’m fines!

  160. Raider O Says:

    AZ,

    Leave Honda Alone!! Vtec what a joke!! Honda pickup!! What a joke!!
    Honda Civic SI!!! NICE!!

  161. Raider O Says:

    Jerry’s twitter:

    No Kirk on Goal line! Alsto, Brown, and TH.

  162. vegas raider Says:

    Back from the book, Raiders are 2 point favorites for the preseason opener against the Cowboys. Raiders in the preseason are animals, lol!!!

    ***None football comment alert*****

    AZ,

    Just talked again with my buddy who is assistant sales manager and one of the top producers at the Portland Toyota dealership. He told me of the 11 cash for clunker deals he did in July, 3 of them were denied by the government, even though they met the standards according to the website, and thus his dealership is out that money. In total, he told me that his dealership gave out over 100K worth of these deals that met the standards but were still denied by the gov’t. His dealership was more profitable in June than July, even though they sold roughly 25% more cars. He told me some place in the area were as high as 40% of claims denied. Also, they can’t find a wreckage yard to pick up any of the cars now, since the yards realized that it is not profitable since the engines are destroyed. He said it was one of the lead stories on the news last night, that nobody is willing to remove the cars from the lot. Are you experiencing any of these problems? Just curious.

  163. Mistabrown Says:

    What a nice change from Rob Ryan’s “hey you guys look great in shorts today lets cut practice short & order pizza”

    “You guys are going to stay second group for the rest of your (bleeping) life,” Marshall said. “You’re going through the motions. Grow the hell up.”

  164. dknight007 Says:

    Spin doctors in the media as always!

    http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/oakland-raiders-forum-message-board/152964-divergent-opinions-russells-comments-long.html

    No wonder Russell doesn’t bother talking to the media its a complete waste of time.

    Everything he says is spun to whatever the particular writer feels it should be.

  165. SNB Defense Says:

    This approach is all good. As long as the coaches follow up the next three weeks with a very, very, very, low tolerance for mental errors going forward. They also have to teach these guys to play on the other side of the line of scrimmage and be more attacking (whether offensively or defensively).

    Cable better not forget to toughen these guys up too. I would expect a very physical and crisp training camp after this 5 day teach-in

  166. DarthPirate Says:

    Is anybody else constantly getting the “You are posting comments too quickly, slow down” message?

  167. DarthPirate Says:

    SNB, hitting starts Monday I believe.

  168. RaiderDogg Says:

    Looks like DHB can catch balls after all.

    http://www.napavalleyregister.com/articles/2009/07/31/sports/doc4a735aa039e18446551986.txt

  169. RaiderDogg Says:

    Running back Darren McFadden said he’s more comfortable with the playbook this year than he was in 2008.

    “I’m fresh, 100 percent, ready to get out there and play ball now,” said McFadden. “I can go out there at full speed with it.”

  170. RaiderDogg Says:

    some photos from yesterday:

    http://www.raiders.com/common/PhotoGalleryCenter.aspx?albumId=66194

  171. SNB Defense Says:

    Darth Pirate,

    I hope they emphasize good tackling in the next few weeks. Last yr saw too many broken tackles from the defense. I also will be listening for how the D-Line looks…especially the DTs.

    I expect to hear Marshall and Board use some more colorful language next week. Get them ready.

    And TK better stop this offsides stuff early

  172. jhill Says:

    SnB,

    So what do you think of Brown at MLB, and Huff at S?

  173. SNB Defense Says:

    jhill Says:
    August 1st, 2009 at 11:24 am
    SnB,

    So what do you think of Brown at MLB, and Huff at S?
    =======================================================
    As long as it works

  174. dknight007 Says:

    It’s Good To Be Matthew Stafford :: FITSNews

    Why isn’t the biased national sports news media on this??

    http://www.raiderfans.net/forum/oakland-raiders-forum-message-board/153008-jamarcus-haters-what-say-you-about.html

  175. AZ Raider Says:

    Vegas,

    I’m work in the Service Dept. but we are all pretty good at communicating whats going on in other depts. I havent heard of our dealership having ANY problems with the program, or getting the cars removed from the lot. Could be upper management is keeping it under wraps as far as the rebates go until all is said and done, but it has not been mentioned at any meetings of late.

  176. vegas raider Says:

    Thanks AZ, was just curious. Let’s all cross our fingers. No doubt it was a great success for the consumers, but seems the dealerships are having some issues, some more so than others.

    Go Raiders!!!

  177. AZ Raider Says:

    Just asked one of the Sales managers, and he said it’s not fool proof, but hasn’t had any deals go bad so far. He said, you just have to dot your “I’s” and cross your “T’s” when it comes to submitting for the rebate. He said if your doing it “right” you shouldn’t have any denied deals…

    Anyhew! Exciting talent about to get on the field and bash some AFC west heads this year! CAN”T WAIT!!!

    DMAC! YOU DA MAN! 1200 10 TD OK?!

    HEY-BEY! JUST CATCH IT BABY!

    BUSH! BASH IN THOSE CHIEFS!

    CHAZ! 1000+ HOMIE!

    JROCK! LEAD US!

  178. dknight007 Says:

    One the many side effects of illegal steroid abuse….

    http://www.insidebayarea.com/ci_12805513?source=most_viewed

  179. shapre Says:

    I wish that Cable would play “The Autumn Wind” on repeat during practice…volume low, almost subliminal. That would be the awesome!

    The Autumn Wind is a pirate
    Blustering in from sea
    With a rollicking song he sweeps along
    swaggering boisterously
    His face is weather beaten
    He wears a hooded sash
    With his silver hat about his head
    And a bristly black moustache
    He growls as he storms the country
    A villain big and bold
    And the trees all shake and quiver and quake
    As he robs them of their gold
    The Autumn wind is a Raider
    Pillaging just for fun
    He’ll knock you ’round and upside down
    And laugh when he’s conquered and won.

  180. dknight007 Says:

    RaiderDogg Says:
    August 1st, 2009 at 11:16 am
    Looks like DHB can catch balls after all.

    http://www.napavalleyregister.com/articles/2009/07/31/sports/doc4a735aa039e18446551986.txt

    ^^^^^Yup…I posted the same thing the other day…

  181. SNB Defense Says:

    dknight007 Says:
    August 1st, 2009 at 11:28 am
    It’s Good To Be Matthew Stafford :: FITSNews

    Why isn’t the biased national sports news media on this??
    =======================================================
    Because unlike guys like Brady Quinn, Matt Stafford, Matt Ryan, Joe Flacco, and Mark Sanchez….Russell stays out of the public limelight. He doesn’t do any interviews….not doing photo-shoots…..he’s not in commercials…he’s not doing ESPN interviews…or showing up on NFLN every other week and the like. Plus he’s a Raider and has been shrouded in controversey due to Al Davis’ poor coaching and personnel selections. Plus the Raiders record has been awful..Also the contract hold-out

    That’s why Russell is hated on by fan and foe alike. Russell’s unwillingness to really engage with the media generates a lot of hate. Especially with local media.

    Plus the guy isn’t cut from central casting either…at least not from a QB perspective…and you can read between the lines with that last statement.

    Go ahead JaMarcus,…give’m hell…and do it your way!

  182. vegas raider Says:

    The NFL network’s love affair with Mark Sanchez in the weeks leading up to the draft was nauseauting. These “media” outlets cater to those that cater to them, which is why SnB is right. Russell hasn’t made any friends in the media, might have even pissed off a few, and so they are going to be slightly biased in their coverage. It is only human nature.

  183. vegas raider Says:

    Man I made what I thought was a good point on the media bias scenario, and got the duplicate comment page. WTF??

    Anyways SnB is right, we will leave it at that. Don’t have the effort to re-type my point.

  184. vegas raider Says:

    And than they post it, confusing.

  185. AZ Raider Says:

    Vegas, come on baby, you know tha Raidahs will always be America’s favorite team to hate.

    Sheeeeeiiii, even in madden they get hated on LOL.

  186. AZ Raider Says:

    Its quiet in here when all the trolls are gone…

    cricket….cricket….cricket…. (insert nature noises)

  187. dknight007 Says:

    vegas raider Says:
    August 1st, 2009 at 11:47 am
    The NFL network’s love affair with Mark Sanchez in the weeks leading up to the draft was nauseauting. These “media” outlets cater to those that cater to them, which is why SnB is right. Russell hasn’t made any friends in the media, might have even pissed off a few, and so they are going to be slightly biased in their coverage. It is only human nature.

    ^^^^^^Exactly! How much more homosexual can the national sports media become?

    Freakin pathetic!

  188. dknight007 Says:

    Vegas,

    We should send the pics of Stafford acting like a jackass with skanks to his bed buddies at BSPN and NFLNetwork! lol

  189. DarthPirate Says:

    Lol, from Jerry’s twitter:

    “Practice concludes . . . three more ‘learning intensive’ sessions until hitting begins . . .understand the logic, but boring as hell . . .”

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